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A
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A
Here
please
mark
assemblywoman,
kasama
absent
excused,
please
mark
assemblywoman,
bilbray,
axelrod
absent
excuse
as
well.
I
think
she'll
be
joining
us,
hopefully
in
a
little
bit,
but
for
now
we'll
mark
her
absent
excuse.
That
means
we
do
have
a
quorum
this
morning,
good
morning
to
members
of
the
committee,
those
joining
us
on
the
zoom
and
good
morning
to
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
on
the
legislature's
website
or
on
the
youtube
channel.
Welcome
to
day
46
of
the
81st
session
of
the
nevada
legislature.
A
Before
we
get
started
on
this
morning's
agenda,
I
have
just
a
few
housekeeping
matters
to
go
over
if
you're
on
the
zoom
with
us.
Please
mute
unless
you
are
speaking
that'll
help
with
the
audio
feedback
and
for
presenters
today.
If
you
could
remember
to
state
your
name
each
time
you
speak
particularly
after
you
are
asked
a
question
that
will
help
our
committee.
Secretaries
prepare
accurate
minutes.
We
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
in
our
interactions
with
one
another.
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy.
That's
perfectly!
A
Okay,
that's
part
of
the
legislative
process,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
of
one
another
of
the
legislative
institution
and,
most
importantly,
are
very
hard-working
staff.
Finally,
many
committee
members
will
be
using
multiple
devices
to
access
the
meeting.
This
includes
laptops,
desktops,
iphones,
ipads,
pagers
cell
phones,
flip
phones,
you
name
it.
We
probably
have
it
so
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention
if
folks
appear
to
be
looking
away
during
the
meeting,
most
likely
they're
just
accessing
exhibits
or
helping
prepare
themselves
for
the
meeting.
A
So
with
those
matters
behind
us
we'll
move
on
to
our
agenda
this
morning,
committee
members,
members
of
the
public,
you
can
see
we
have
two
bills
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
are
going
to
take
those
bills
in
order,
as
they
appear
on
the
agenda
at
this
time.
I'll
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill,
116
assembly,
bill,
116,
revises
provisions
relating
to
traffic
offenses
and
we'll
welcome
to
the
virtual
presentation
table
vice
chairwin
who's
going
to
present
assembly
bill
116
and
then
we'll
have
some
time
for
questions
so
welcome.
Vice
chairwin
and
please
proceed.
F
Thank
you
good
morning,
terry
yeager
and
committee
members
for
the
record.
I
am
assemblywoman
rochelle
lynn.
I
represent
assembly
district
10..
Today
I
will
be
presenting
with
several
individuals
who
kind
of
inspired
me
to
take
on
this
challenge.
My
primary
copra
center
is
alex
wong
he's
a
high
school
student
and
resident
of
assembly
district
34.
F
He
was
one
of
the
primary
people
that
participated
in
some
of
my
earlier
discussions
of
this
bill
during
the
interim
and
he
will
be
presenting
some
excerpts
from
a
policy
research
paper
prepared
by
unlv
law
student,
dane
smith.
Another
student
who's
helped
me
immensely
through
this
process.
I
also
have
lisa
mosley
back
with
us.
F
She
just
can't
get
enough
of
us,
and
you
know
she
loves
this
committee
and
she's
great
to
punt,
to
when
I
can't
answer
all
the
questions,
and
I
also
have
jon
jones
and
jenny,
noble
with
the
district
attorney's
association,
as
well
as
john
pirro
and
kendra
burchie,
with
the
public
defenders
to
also
answer
any
questions.
Again.
It
is
my
privilege
to
be
able
to
present
assembly
bill
116
for
your
consideration.
F
As
you
heard,
this
bill
seeks
to
change
our
current
system
for
minor
traffic
and
other
related
violations
from
being
criminal
in
nature,
to
being
civil
in
nature,
and
with
this
I
will
actually
turn
over
some
of
the
background
information
to
my
co-presenter,
alex,
wong
and
so
alex.
You
can
just
unmute
yourself
and
introduce
yourself
make
sure
you
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
then
you
can
be
in.
G
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
and
committee
members
for
the
record,
I'm
alex
wong
a
resident
of
assembly
district
34
and
I
currently
serve
as
a
nevada,
youth
legislator
and
the
united
states
senate
youth
program.
Delegate
of
nevada.
I've
had
the
privilege
to
work
with
assemblywoman
nguyen
regarding
ab116
and
I'm
honored
to
co-present
this
bill
with
her.
The
following
is
an
excerpt
from
a
policy
paper
by
unlv
boyd
school
of
law,
student,
dane
smith
in
the
state
of
nevada.
G
All
traffic
violations
are
classified
as
misdemeanors
people,
convicted
of
misdemeanors
are
subject
to
up
to
six
months
in
prison
or
up
to
a
one
thousand
dollar
fine
or
both
under
nevada
law.
This
detail
might
appear
inconsequential,
but
it
is
at
the
core
of
nevada's
current
traffic
adjudication
system
under
the
system.
If
you
are
ticketed
for
violating
any
traffic
offence,
you
are
being
charged
with
a
criminal
offense.
G
G
G
Many
ordinary
people
who
do
not
live
paycheck
to
paycheck
can
just
pay
the
fine
and
forget
it.
In
contrast,
indigent
people
face
serious
hardship
when
they
are
issued
a
citation
that
they
cannot
reasonably
pay
at
some
point.
During
their
case,
indigent
people
may
choose
to
not
appear
in
court
because
they
fear
incarceration
due
to
delinquency.
G
It
is
a
reality.
Many
nevadans
face
a
simple
400
traffic
ticket
can
have
a
serious
adverse
effect
on
a
person's
life
courts
in
an
effort
to
enforce
the
offense
may
issue
criminal
warrants
for
these
people
many
times.
This
provides
a
tragic
introduction
to
the
criminal
justice
system.
People
who
are
incarcerated
even
for
a
day
or
two
can
lose
their
jobs,
housing
or
even
have
their
child
taken
away
by
cps.
G
In
addition
to
indigency,
racial
minorities
are
subject
to
more
frequent
contact
with
police
and
thus
cited
more
traffic
tickets.
This
creates
a
troubling
disproportionality
between
racial
communities
and
the
amount
of
traffic
tickets
issued.
Many
tourists
are
also
negatively
impacted
by
the
impacted
by
the
system.
Visitors
travel
to
nevada
to
escape
their
everyday
lives
and
enjoy
the
unique
amenities
of
this
great
state.
G
These
individuals
are
usually
unaware
of
nevada
traffic
laws
when
they
are
pulled
over
if
they
are
cited
for
a
traffic
offense
and
pay
the
fines
with
all
deliberate
speed,
they
are
inadvertently
pleading
guilty
to
a
misdemeanor
nevada's
traffic
law.
Classification
is
working
against
the
interests
of
the
average
nevadan
its
economy
and
is
demonstrably
inequitable.
G
We
are
funding
the
courts
through
these
traffic
citations
off
the
backs
of
people
who
are
least
likely
to
afford
it.
We
can
potentially
harm
a
tourist's
life
if
she
were
to
receive
a
citation
on
our
roadways
and
pay
it
blindly.
The
system
is
also
intuitively
troubling,
because
traffic
violations
are
common
and
typically
inconsequential.
G
We
as
a
society
do
not
generally
view
minor
traffic
offenses
as
serious
as
other
misdemeanors
like
shoplifting
or
simple
battery.
There
is
surely
a
better
method
to
ensure
nevada
roadways
are
safe
and
nevada
government
is
funded
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
turn
over
the
presentation
back
to
assemblywoman
nguyen.
Thank
you.
F
Well
now
I
am
I've.
I've
chose
my
co-presenter
poorly
because
now
I
have
to
follow
that
and
well
I
I
I
thank
alex
for
participating
in
this
process.
I
know
you
know
it's
seeing
I'm
just
truly
inspired
by
like
our
young
people
in
our
state,
their
you
know,
civic
engagement,
it's
just
it's
always
inspiring,
so
I'm
glad
to
be
able
to
follow
up
him
and
I'm
humbled
to
be
able
to
present
this
with
him.
F
Like
you
said,
most
states,
including
all
of
our
neighboring
states,
have
transitioned
to
a
from
a
system
that
treats
minor
traffic
infractions
as
civil
offenses
rather
than
criminal.
Under
our
current
statute
and
our
current
structure,
if
you
are
going
five
over,
that
is
a
misdemeanor
criminal
misdemeanor,
it
carries
with
it
a
fine
of
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
and
up
to
six
months
in
custody,
as
does
beating
your
spouse,
so
that
is
also
a
misdemeanor
and
it
carries
with
it
the
same
potential
penalty
and
like
structure
under
our
current
statutes.
F
All
of
these
other
states
surrounding
us
that
have
transitioned
from
criminal
to
civil
offenses
have
experienced
not
only
reduced
financial
burden
for
those
receiving
citations,
but
also
reduce
the
costs
associated
with
criminal
proceedings
and
attention,
as
well
as
a
decreased
burden
on
our
court.
Dockets
nevada
is
one
of
the
few
remaining
states
clinging
to
this
outdated
model
where
all
traffic
violations
are
processed
as
criminal
offenses.
F
F
A
similar
bill
was
brought
was
by
strong
bipartisan
support
in
2015
by
former
assembly
woman,
michelle
fiore
in
assembly
bill
281.
In
talking
with
our
current
speaker
and
primary
co-sponsor
jason
fryerson.
He
also
made
attempts
during
the
legislative
session
in
this
area
in
2017.
F
We
yet
again
did
an
interim
study
that
was
approved
to
examine
the
complexity
of
this
subject,
and
I
can
tell
you
it
is
completely
that's
true.
It
is
very
complex,
and
additionally,
our
own
chair
took
on
the
task
with
assembly
bill
411
during
the
2019
session,
and
for
those
of
you
that
can
see
this
bill
in
its
same
form,
passed
with
bipartisan
report
out
of
this
committee
in
2019,
and
also
onto
the
assembly
floor
in
2019..
F
It's
my
hope
that
we
have
learned
from
some
of
those
lessons
from
that
study
from
the
2015
bill
from
the
2019
session
to
great
gain
greater
support
for
assembly
bill
116
during
this
session,
rather
than
take
you
through
nearly
100
pages
of
text
section
by
section.
I
do
want
to
take
this
time
to
address
this
bill
from
kind
of
a
policy
conversation.
F
As
many
of
you
know,
I
have
been
working
with
a
hugely
diverse
group
of
stakeholders
over
the
past
six
months.
I
was
looking
at
my
notes
just
last
night
and
I
it
looks
like
I've
taken
at
least
that
I've
taken
the
time
to
record
37
meetings
with
various
stakeholders
and
including
meetings
scheduled
for
this
afternoon
with
court
administrators
from
around
the
state.
F
116
again
establish
establishes
civil
penalties
for
certain
traffic
and
related
violations.
A
violation
of
provisions
of
certain
existing
traffic
laws
or
ordinances
would
be
now
a
civil
infraction,
not
a
criminal
misdemeanor,
and
that
and
I
think,
the
big
distinction
that
we
want
to
make
sure.
I
think
it's
clear
in
the
statute,
but
I
am
been
working
with
stakeholders
to
ensure
that
it
is
that,
under
the
current,
like
ab-116,
unless
a
criminal
penalty
is
prescribed
for
the
violation
by
a
specific
statute,
it
would
not,
but
you
know
just
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution.
F
I
am
not
talking
about
duis,
I'm
not
talking
about
those
type
of
misdemeanors,
and
so
I
have
been
working
with
various
prosecutors
and
in
fact
we
have
jennifer
noble
as
well
as
jon
jones,
on
the
line
to
kind
of
talk
about
some
of
the
conversations
that
we've
had,
because
they
are
newly
supportive
of
this
bill
as
well
during
this
session,
and
I
think
it's
because
of
that,
like
broader
conversation
about
how
we
can
make
implementation
of
this
process
and
this
policy
more
seamless
than
it
has
looked
in
the
past.
F
So
we
are
definitely
looking
at
carving
out
certain
types
of
like
what
I'm
going
to
call
serious
criminals.
That
probably
would
be
and
should
be
considered,
not
a
civil
infraction
for
a
minor
traffic.
Like
I
said,
the
main
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
make
sure
we
are
not
arresting.
F
We
are
not
incarcerating
and
we
are
not
branding
people
as
criminals
for
committing
minor
traffic
violations,
whether
that's
nevadans
in
our
own
state
or
tourists
that
are
coming
here,
especially
when
these
individuals
may
not
have
the
resources
today
is
indigent
defense
day
in
our
state,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize.
You
know
the
work
and
how
most
of
these
traffic
matters
and
ms
mosley
can
talk
about
how
this
does
disproportionately
affect
like
our
indigent
populations.
F
Please
keep
in
mind
again
more
serious
traffic
matters
will
still
remain
criminal,
misdemeanors
like
reckless
driving,
dui
vehicular
manslaughter,
so
we're
not
transitioning
all
reaches
of
law
to
this
civil
infraction
system.
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
highlight
some
of
the
sections
that
I
think
have
been
most
concerning
that
people
are
bringing
up
and
also
sections
that
we're
actively
working
on
to
try
to
get
some
guidance
in
the
area.
F
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
a
lot
of
times.
People
were
like
well,
how
do
we
like
track
whether
or
not
we
have
people
that
are
repeat
bad
drivers
like
how
do
we
make
sure
that
they
are
still
like?
This
is
still
being
monitored?
We're
still
like
capturing
that,
and
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
sections
9,
11
and
12
make
it
clear
that,
even
though
these
are
now
civil
infractions,
they
still
count
as
infractions
on
a
person's
driving
record.
F
I
believe
we
have
jenny,
noble
here
and
jon
jones,
mostly
miss
noble,
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
traffic
point
system
and
some
of
those
like
aspects
of
it.
Moving
on
to
section
23
and
26,
this
kind
of
will
explain
the
procedure
of
how
a
case
would
be
processed
in
the
court
under
this
civil
procedure,
and
ms
mosley
can
also
speak
to
this,
because
we've
looked
a
lot
about
how
courts
transition
and
how
states
transition
and
how
they
implement
that
and
a
lot
of
times.
F
We
still
use
the
same
judges,
the
same
hearing
masters
the
same
ticket
people
the
same
clerks.
They
are
just
processing
them
under
a
more
efficient
system.
So,
instead
of
having
the
protections
under
law
for
a
criminal
citation,
for
example,
a
you
know
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
we
have
some
other
like
provisions
that
make
it
a
lot
easier
to
process
these
tickets.
F
Section
24
provides
notice
of
the
civil
infraction
and
what
that
would
look
like
when
it
would
be
handed
by
a
field
officer.
I
know
I've
met
with
law
enforcement
and
I
continue.
I
will
continue
to
do
so.
One
of
my
main
things
is:
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
see
any
differences
in
the
field
when
they're
issuing
citations
when
they
are
making
arrests,
just
because
this
is
a
civil
infraction.
F
F
Section
26
makes
it
clear
that
and
if
there
needs
to
be
additional
language,
we
are
working
on
that
too,
that
if
a
police
officer
is
committing
some
or
stopping
someone
for
committing
a
civil
infraction,
for
example,
speeding
and
then
they
pull
up
to
the
car
and
they
realize
the
person
reeks
of
alcohol,
and
they
are
now
going
to
have
to
arrest
them
for
a
dui
that
those
civil
infraction
and
criminal
misdemeanor
will
now
stay
together
for
ease
of
like
investigation
for
ease
of
prosecution,
and
they
will
stay
together.
F
So
we
are
working
on
how
that
language
will
actually
look
in
our
statute
to
be
able
to
enact
that
policy
again,
I
could
go
through
all
the
sections
one
by
one.
I
know
that
this
is
a
policy
committee,
but
I
will
recognize
that
the
fear
and
anxiety
of
the
fiscal
impact
is
continuously
what
seems
to
derail
this
in
the
past
section
34
speaks
to
where
and
how
the
money
is
distributed.
F
I
am
looking
and
working
with
stakeholders
to
find
creative
ways
to
address
how
the
funding
will
go.
For
example,
colonel
ann
carpenter,
with
dps
highway
patrol
division
has
made
some
suggestions
about
traffic
and
public
safety,
education
and
some
of
those
funds
possibly
being
diverted
to
that.
If
the
goal
is
to
make
our
roadways
safe-
and
that
is
what
we
are
trying
to
accomplish-
incarcerating
people
probably
is
less
effective
than
educational
programming
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
with
this.
F
So
I
do
I
am
aware
of
like
the
current
funding
structure
and
I
don't
want
to
disrupt
that,
and
so,
while
I
may
probably
fundamentally
disagree
that
we
should
be
funding
our
courts
and
government
on
the
backs
of
traffic
citations.
I
also
recognize
and
am
flexible
enough
to
know
that
I
need
to
be
realistic.
F
So
it
remains
with
local
governments,
so
they
can
implement
these
new
processes,
so
they
can
implement
these
new
systems,
so
they
can
maintain
their
specialty
courts
and
they
can
kind
of
maintain
the
status
quo,
if
not
giving
them
additional
funds
to
be
able
to
transition
into
this
new
system
again.
This
kind
of
concludes
my
presentation
on
assembly
bill
116
for
me,
and
I
hopefully
for
you
all.
F
It
is
evident
that
a
small
debt
in
fines
and
fees
from
the
current
traffic
violation
system
can
be
compounded,
can
spiral
out
of
control
so
quickly,
for
so
many
nevadans
and
adopting
this
measure
would
alleviate
any
financial
burdens
for
drivers,
local
governments
or
other.
You
know,
people
that
result
from
the
penalties
related
from
these
minor
traffic
violations.
F
I
do
have
miss
mosley.
I
know
that
she
is
prepared
if
you
have
questions
kind
of
about
the
implementation
and
how
this
has
looked
in
various
states.
Specifically,
I
think
she's
looked
most
recently
at
how
this
was
implemented
in
2000
or
in
arizona
and
what
they're
doing
there
like.
I
said.
I
know
that
mr
jones
and
miss
noble
and
mr
pirro
are
also
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
A
Thank
you
so
much
vice
chair
wynn
and
thank
you,
mr
wong,
for
helping
out
on
this
and
providing
your
testimony.
You
did
a
fantastic
job
this
morning
before
we
take
questions.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
this
issue
on
members
of
the
judiciary
committee,
who
were
here
with
us
last
session,
maybe
having
deja
vu
on
this
issue.
A
We
did
hear
this
bill
in
some
form
or
fashion
last
session,
and
I
certainly
can
attest
to
the
fact
that
it's
way
more
complicated
than
you
would
think
at
first
blush
to
try
to
get
this
figured
out
and
it
sounds
like
efforts
are
still
ongoing.
So
thank
you
vice
chair
for
taking
this
and
bringing
in
a
lot
more
people
to
this
conversation.
A
I
learned
very
quickly
last
session
that
you
need
to
have
a
room
full
of
like
or
a
zoom
room
full
of,
like
50
people
to
get
this
figured
out.
So
it
sounds
like
those
efforts
are
ongoing
and
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
keep
doing
that
committee
members.
Obviously,
we
had
a
pretty
high
level
presentation
about
what
the
bill
seeks
to
do
and
I
think
we'll.
A
If
we
get
to
a
work
session
on
this
bill,
probably
look
very
different
than
assembly
bill,
116
that
you
have
in
front
of
you,
but
I
wanted
to
give
folks
a
chance
to
ask
some
questions
if
it's
on
the
bill,
in
particular
great.
If
it's
on
sort
of
the
concept
or
the
philosophy
behind
where
the
bill
is
going,
that
is
fine
as
well.
C
If
it
works,
thank
you
chair.
Miss
win
just
a
quick
question
because
I
thought
I
understood,
and
now
I'm
a
little
confused
on
the
fines.
The
courts
can
still
add
their
court
assessments
or
fees
on
top
of
the
original
penalty.
For
the
interaction
is
that
correct.
F
You
know
what
that
is
the
section
that
I'm
really
like
looking
at,
like
I
said
currently,
the
way
I
have
it
included
in
assembly
bill
116
is
that
it
all
goes
to
this
permanent
education
fund
and,
while
I
think
funding
education
is
appropriate,
I
think,
under
these
circumstances,
while
we
are
transitioning,
I
would
like
to
come
up
with
a
more
pragmatic,
realistic,
like
fine
collection
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
not
opposed
to
temporarily
allowing
these
city
and
county
governments
to
keep
all
of
the
funds
to
a
certain
extent.
F
You
know
I
would
like
to
you
know,
because
I
know
that
they're
using
it
for
things
like
specialty
courts,
you
know,
so
that
is
something
that
I'm
definitely
open
to
making
this
transition
easier.
F
I
don't
want
to
make
it
a
permanent
thing,
because
I
think
that
we
should
be
putting
that
money
into
the
education
fund,
and
so
we
are
working
with
legal,
I'm
just
waiting
for
them
to
finish
up
all
of
our
other
bills,
to
be
able
to
kind
of
put
some
of
these
concepts
that
we
have
to
see
what
they
look
like
in
writing.
I
don't
know
if
that
really
answers
your
question,
but
that's
my
intent.
A
A
I
guess
some
concern
about
how
fines
are
being
levied
and
who's,
levying
those
fines,
whether
it's
the
state
or
local
government
and
where
that
money
goes
so,
hopefully
that's
helpful
for
some
context,
but
you
know
certainly
makes
sense
that
we
might
want
to
give
locals
some
of
that
money
to
be
able
to
implement
something.
We're
asking
them
to
do
so.
Hopefully,
that
didn't
bleed
too
much
into
testimony,
but
just
wanted
to
help
answer
that
question.
F
No
that
that's
very
helpful
and
sorry
rochelle
winn,
for
the
record.
One
of
the
things
that
I
learned
through
this
process
last
session
in
watching
our
own
chair,
like
kind
of
go
through
the
process
and
struggle
with
this
super
complex
system
of
traffic
citations,
is
that
if
the
ticket
is
written
under
like
an
nrs,
the
funds
are
supposed
to
be
diverted
into
that.
F
But
a
lot
of
our
municipal
municipalities
and
counties
have
their
own
corresponding
traffic
ordinances,
and
so
officers
are
writing
tickets
under
those
ordinances
and
so
they're,
not
even
going
into
the
permanent
education
fund
they're
going
into
the
local
governments,
and
so
when
I
had
indicated
initially,
oh
I'll
just
have
it
go
kind
of
where
it
goes
now.
You
know
transitioning
into
this
new
system.
F
You
know
which
would
include
it's
my
intention
to
include
county
and
city
ordinances
and
decriminalizing,
those
as
well
that
that
inadvertently
would
take
away
a
lot
of
the
financial
resources
from
those
things.
So
that's
why
I've
been
open
to
diverting
some
of
that
more
of
that
fund
directly
back
into
the
courts
and
the
municipalities.
H
Good
morning
and
thank
you,
chairwind
chair
yeager,
I'm
sorry
vice
chair
when
lovely
presentation
and
a
very
important
issue
right
now,
as
we
are
talking
about
all
over
the
spectrum.
Looking
at
how
we
look
at
our
criminal
justice
system-
and
I
appreciate
it
does
anyone
that
you
brought
with
you
today
have
any
statistics:
dollar
amounts
I'm
particularly
interested
in.
F
I
I
We
do
have
some
number
on
some
data
on
the
number
of
warrants.
In
some
cases,
for
example,
las
vegas
justice
court
last
year
had
over
270
000
outstanding
warrants,
just
in
las
vegas
justice
court
alone,
that,
as
a
result
of
covet
they
suspended
when
we
looked
at
henderson
henderson
had
about
58
000,
outstanding
warrants
and
just
jurisdictions
across
the
the
state
had
similar
numbers,
and
so
we
we
do
have
some
data
as
far
as
the
number
of
warrants
and
it's
pretty
dire,
but
as
far
as
what
jurisdictions
are
actually
collecting
from
those
warrants.
H
You
chair,
thank
you,
miss
mosley,
chair,
if
I
might
just
follow
up
with
another
question
so
vice
chair
when,
if
we
cannot.
H
How,
then,
do
we
not
move
forward
against
the
concerns
of
of
these
courts
and
municipalities
and
deal
with
what
we
do
know,
which
is
that
when
people's
licenses
are
suspended
or
they
are
arrested,
that
they
are
put
in
jail,
that
they
lose
custody
of
their
children?
As
the
young
man
read
from
the
report
that
people
lose
jobs
because
in
this
state
you
don't
show
up
for
two
or
three
days,
if
you
don't
have
bell
money,
you're
going
to
lose
your
job,
your
housing.
H
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
balance
the
needs
of
the
community
and
then
the
needs
of
the
municipalities
for
for
income?
It's
really
con,
not
confusing,
but
a
little
frustrating,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
I'm
clear
on
on
how
this
will
affect
everyone,
so
that
the
decision
making
is
just
easier
for
me
to
do.
Thank
you.
F
Rochelle
for
the
record
that
that
is
a
very
real
concern
I
mean.
Obviously
we
have
had
difficulty
getting
those
numbers.
I
will
say
that
in
submitting
this
bill,
if
you
go
on
to
nellis,
you
will
start
to
see
some
of
these
fiscal
notes
being
submitted
from
various
jurisdictions
about
what
the
costs
are,
what
they
are
going
to
see
potentially
as
like
disappear.
F
But
on
the
flip
side,
I've
also
asked
them
to
try
their
best
to
quantify
some
of
the
other
savings
fiscal
savings.
I
think
that's
why
I
have
a
lot
of
broad
support
from
like
americans
for
prosperity,
and
I
saw
npri
on
there
supporting
assembly
bill
116
now.
So
I
think
some
of
these,
like
organizations
that
have
like
are
you
know,
big
on
fiscal
responsibility,
also
recognize
that
there
is
a
significant
cost
savings
that
these
municipalities
are
not
quantifying
in
meeting
with
a
carson
city.
F
F
You
know
in
collecting
their
like
traffic
matters,
because
I
think
they
saw
some
of
the
movement
into
from
2013
to
2019
and
they
wanted
to
see
how
they
could
implement
that
one
of
the
things
that
like
really
stood
out
to
me-
and
I
think
mr
wong
was
also
on
that
call,
as
well
as
some
other
individuals
in
this
mosley,
where
they
they
were
able
to
try
to
quantify
the
other
costs
that
they
were
now
saving
not
arresting
people
on
traffic
wards.
F
You
know
stopping
an
individual
on
a
traffic
warrant,
impounding
their
car
searching
their
car,
doing
an
inventory
taking
the
individual
down
to
the
police
station
booking
them
in,
and
then
they
were
also
able
to
quantify,
or
they
tried
to
attempt
to
quantify
the
amount
of
time
that
it
took
their
clerks
to
enter
in
warrants
when
they
were
not
issuing
warrants
for
like
robberies.
They
were
issuing
like
thousands
of
warrants
for
like
traffic
matters,
so
they
were
trying
to
quantify
the
number
and
the
resources
that
went
to
that
and
then
they
found
on
average.
F
I
think
people
spend
72
hours
at
a
very
like
on
an
average
in
the
jail
so
quantifying
that
I
think
now
we're
calculating
at
170
a
day
150
a
day
somewhere
in
there,
either
way
they're
all
three
for
three
days
in
jail
and
then
not
to
mention
the
you
know.
So.
Just
on
that
that
aspect
like
how
much
money
were
you
doing
to
collect
that
hundred
and
fifty
dollar
speeding
ticket
warrant?
How
much
money
on
the
other
end
did
you
have
to
save?
I
you
know.
F
I
know
that
I
have
jon
jones
here
from
the
clark
county
district
attorney's
office.
I
I'm
sure
he
would
be
able
to
answer
questions
about
how
his
the
deputies
in
his
office
they
want
to
be
able
to
prosecute
real
crimes.
They
want
to
get
out
of
the
courtroom
and
in
the
business
of
enforcing
parking
tickets,
because
their
resources
and
their
skill
set
and
their
knowledge
could
be
used
in
a
better
like
mechanism
like
everyone's
hurting,
and
so
this
is
the
time
to
be
able
to.
F
A
D
Mr
jones,
this
is
broadcast
if
you
were
to
toggle
between.
If
you
go.
K
Toggle
between
your
speakers
or
seamless
system
that
may
fix
the
issue.
We
still
cannot
hear
you
if
you
have
the
select
a
speaker
speakers
headphones
or
seamus
system
toggle
between
those
a
few
times.
F
B
Good
morning,
good
morning,
mr
chair
and
madam
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
jennifer
noble,
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
washoe
county
district
attorney's
office
and
the
nevada
district
attorney's
association.
B
We
have
in
washoe
county.
We
have
about
20
400
sites
that
come
to
our
office
a
year,
that's
for
2020
and
that
doesn't
include
people
who
have
citations
that
go
before
the
judge
and
then
just
plead.
You
know
guilty
based
on
whatever
offer.
The
judge
gives
them
most
of
these
citation
trials.
B
I-
and
I
can
tell
you
because
I'm
a
very
experienced
traffic
trial
deputy-
I
involve
essentially
me
going
in
or
would
involve
me
going
in
and
saying
you
know
officer
so
and
so
calling
your
attention
to
this
date
and
time.
You
know
what
happened.
That
brings
you
to
court
and
then
my
questions
would
be
what
happened
next,
what
happened
next
and
then
the
defendant
would
tell
their
side
of
the
story
and
the
judge
would
make
a
call.
B
So
in
these
scenarios
it's
not
at
least
in
my
view,
for
the
bulk
of
traffic
trials
that
I
have
done.
The
da
doesn't
really
serve
an
essential
role.
I'll
also
add
that,
for
example,
in
washoe
county,
our
office
services
sparks
justice,
court,
reno,
justice,
court,
wadsworth
justice
corps
and
inquine
justice,
court,
and
so
deputies
will
spend
in
reno
justice
court.
I
believe
it's
five
days
a
week
or
pre-coveted.
B
It
was
they're
kind
of
trying
to
work
around
things
with
zoom,
but
we
do
spend
a
substantial
amount
of
time,
with
deputies,
driving
back
and
forth
to
courts
and
wadsworth
and
incline
etc.
B
For
what
I
believe,
the
majority
of
are
fairly
simple,
simple
trials,
where
the
officer
could
perhaps
just
give
his
version
of
events
and
the
defendant
could
give
his
version
of
theirs
or
his
or
hers.
But
I'd
also
add,
for
example,
in
elko
county
the
d.a
there
shared
with
me
that
they
are
having
deputies
drive
an
hour
and
40
minutes
each
way
just
to
do
traffic
court,
and
so
it
is
something
that
I
think
in
times
where
we
don't
have
enough
resources
to
do
everything
we
want
to
do.
E
Hey.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'd
like
to
ask
my
question
of
mr
wong.
If
I
could
youth
legislator
wong,
I've
been
heavily
involved
in
the
youth
legislature
in
my
first
four
sessions
and
I'm
sorry
we
haven't
met
mr
wong.
I
haven't
been
so
involved
in
it
in
this
session,
but
I
know
you
guys
really
do
your
homework
when
you're
presenting
a
bill.
I've
seen
you
do
it.
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
knew
the
answer
to
this
question.
E
Mr
wong
miss
mosley
said
there
were
58
000
outstanding
warrants
right
now,
just
in
henderson
alone,
which
means
probably
well
over
a
hundred
thousand
wild
guests
throughout
the
state,
and
this
bill
takes
effect
on
january
1st
2023.
E
So
do
you
know,
mr
warren?
If
this
will
be
retroactive
and
everyone
who
receives
a
bigot
now
will
have
that
move
to
a
civil
infraction
when
it
on
january,
1st
2023.
F
I
think
he
might
still
be
there
assemblyman
wheeler.
I
know
that
I
had
him
step
out
of
school,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
he
is
still
on
there.
He
is
a
high
school
senior.
He
is
trying
to
finish
up.
I
know
he's
waiting
on
college
admissions,
but
I
will
tell
you
even
that
date
is
flexible
and
it
just
so.
You
know
it
is
my
intent
to
make
it
retroactive.
A
There
is,
there
is
something
to
be
said
for
not
being
in
the
room
to
not
get
a
question.
You
can't
feel
that's
for
sure.
A
Okay
moving
along,
we
probably
have
time
for
maybe
another
question
or
two,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
interested
in
testifying
on
this
bill
want
to
give
committee
members
a
chance
if
there
are
other
questions
out
there.
Just
let
me
know.
A
Okay,
let
me
get
everyone
on
one
screen,
so
this
is
really
interesting.
I've
got
mr
jones
miss
noble
and
mr
pirro
all
right
next
to
each
other
at
the
virtual
table
on
my
screen
at
least
so
that
doesn't
happen
often,
which
is
nice,
so
I
think,
go
ahead,
we'll
go
to
you,
assemblywoman
hanson,
for
a
question.
C
C
So
I'm
totally
hoping
this
can
come
together
and
wanted
to
if
you're
talking
about,
maybe
a
temporary
like
if,
if
the
bill
were
to
get
the
right
stakeholders
on
board,
there
would
be
kind
of
a
temporary
roll
out.
Is
that
what
you
were
saying?
So
we
could
kind
of
figure
out
long
term
how
this
is
going
to
look.
F
I
Yes,
what
arizona
did
their
justice
courts
and
municipal
courts
both
hear
traffic
cases,
civil
and
minor
misdemeanors?
What
they've
done
is
they've
created
two
classes
of
infractions,
one
being
level
two
misdemeanors
anything,
that's
not
and
civil
infractions
level,
two
misdemeanors
and
civil
infractions,
the
level
two
misdemeanors
being
the
more
what
we
would
consider,
the
more
serious
ones
that
we
spoke.
I
You
spoke
of
earlier,
other
ones
being
civil
things
like
expired,
registration,
rolling,
stop
or
something
like
that,
but
the
more
serious
ones
that
we
talked
about
earlier
they've
classified
those
as
level
two
misdemeanor,
their
their
justice
court
and
their
municipal
courts
hear
those
cases
concurrently,
they
didn't
change.
They
didn't
change
a
lot
of
their
software.
They
didn't
have
to
change
anything
else.
The
same
judges
that
were
hearing
those
cases
continue
to
hear
them.
I
As
I
said,
they
just
created
a
level
two
system
of
misdemeanors
for
more
serious
offenses
that
are
not
civil
and
civil
infractions
and
they
hear
them
the
same
way.
F
And
and
that,
thank
you
or
rochelle
went
for
the
record
assemblywoman
hanson,
you
know,
I
think,
that's
been
the
biggest
impediment
when
I'm
talking
to
some
of
the
court
staff
when
I'm
talking
to
judges
they're
like
well.
How
do
we
do
this
and
I
was
like
well,
you
know
we
do
have
about
40
something
other
states
to
look
at
to
see
how
they've
done
it,
how
they've
implemented
it
and
they
seem
to
be
pretty
successful.
It's
not
like
we're
like
number
one
in
traffic
safety,
because
we
criminalize
traffic.
F
So
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
do
make
our
roadways
safer
and
it
obviously
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
a
correlation
between
making
it
a
criminal
citation
as
opposed
to
a
civil
infraction
because
most
people
honestly
don't
know
that
it's
a
you
know
it
isn't.
It
is
a
criminal
like
infraction.
F
So
you
know
that
that
is
what
we're
looking
at
and
talking
to
some
court
administrators
they're
like
yeah.
I
think
we
could
just
seamlessly
incorporate
this.
It
might
cost
us
a
couple
thousand
dollars
to
like
figure
it
out,
and
then
I've
had
other
jurisdictions
that
are
like
it's
going
to
cost
me
40
million
dollars
to
come
up
with
a
new
like
system.
F
So
I
really
do
feel
like
there's
some
sort
of
happy
medium,
and
so
I
have-
and
it
is
difficult
because-
and
other
states
have
gone
through
this
as
well
like
how
do
you
effectively
efficiently-
and
you
know
fiscally
like
transition
into
this
civil
thing,
and
I
think
it's
reminding
people
of
the
bigger
picture
as
well.
C
A
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
hanson.
I
think
we
probably
ought
to
move
to
testimony
on
the
bill.
There
are
a
number
of
people
on
the
zoom
and
in
the
queue
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
here
for
this
bill,
the
next
bill
or
both,
but
my
intent
is
to
given
that
we
have
another
bill
with
a
lot
of
interest,
is
to
take
about
20
minutes
or
so
of
testimony
and
support.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
vice
chair
wynn,
youth
legislator,
wong
and
the
others
who
were
on
the
zoo
with
us
for
helping
to
present
we'll
ask
you
to
sit
tight
while
we
take
testimony
and
support
so
this
time,
I'll
open
it
up
for
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
116.,
I
think
we
have,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
believe
miss
noble
mr
pirro,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
mr
jones's
audio
back,
but
I
think
they
probably
would
like
to
testify
and
support.
So,
mr
pirro,
why
don't
we
go
to
you?
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
allowing
me
to
speak
and
thank
you
vice
chairwin,
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
John
pirro
from
the
clark
county,
public
defender's
office,
there's
a
hidden
cost
to
criminalizing
traffic
tickets.
Mr
wong
and
his
testimony
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
J
If
somebody
gets
arrested
on
a
thursday
and
they
don't
get
out
till
monday,
because
they're
arrested
for
a
traffic
warrant,
ccdc
costs
all
of
us
190
a
day.
So
that's
570
more
than
the
ticket
probably
cost
that
we
as
taxpayers,
are
going
to
front
to
imprison
that
person
for
not
paying
a
traffic
ticket.
J
Moreover,
traffic
tickets
are
delaying
people
from
getting
treatment
in
specialty
courts.
Oftentimes,
specialty
courts
can't
start
somebody
on
a
course
of
treatment
without
first
handling
a
municipal
court
warrant.
So
you
have
a
person
sitting
in
custody
for
up
to
a
week,
seven
days
just
to
handle
this
traffic
warrant
before
they
can
go,
get
their
mental
health
treatment
before
they
can
go,
get
their
drug
treatment
and
be
released
and
start
working
on
their
life
and
repairing
the
damage
they've
done
to
the
community.
C
J
J
So
there
there's
a
big
economic,
deep
dive
that
we
need
to
do
that
hasn't
been
done,
but
I
think
if
we
did
it,
we
would
see
that
we're
really
not
making
the
profits
that
need
to
be
made
by
criminalizing
because
we're
losing
a
lot
of
money
by
putting
people
in
custody
at
the
cost
of
it
of
a
day
in
jail,
we're
at
a
minimum
you're.
Looking
at
190
in
the
clark
county
detention
center,
there
are
medical
students
that
have
to
report
these
as
crimes
on
their
on
their
record
because
of
the
way
nevada.
J
Does
that
and
that's
hurting
those
students
here,
especially
when
unlv
has
just
started
their
medical
school,
so
we're
trying
to
get
there
and
toro
has
been
here
and
testified
on
this
bill
before
there's
also
a
human
cost,
not
just
the
taxpayer
costs.
I
have
handled
bench
warrant
clinics
where
people
were
unable
to
pay
their
ticket,
then
they
get
arrested
on
their
warrant,
they're
imprisoned
for
the
weekend,
they're
already
living
paycheck
to
paycheck.
J
So
now
they
can't
afford
their
rent
anymore,
because
they've
lost
their
job
and
a
traffic
bench
warrant
has
basically
ruined
that
person's
life
and
it's
taken
them
a
long
time
to
get
it
back.
I've
also
shown
chair,
yeager
and
vice
chair
to
win
traffic
tickets
from
the
municipalities
for
a
simple
traffic
ticket.
That's
skyrocketing
costs
up
to
2300.
J
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair
jennifer,
noble
for
the
record.
The
nevada
district
attorney's
association
is
in
support
of
this
bill
with
the
understanding
that
there
will
be
some
changes
as
mountain
vice
referenced.
We
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
reckless
driving
dui
revoked
due
to
dui,
perhaps
some
hit
and
run
some
of
the
more
serious
offenses
are
not
part
of
this
bill,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
general
agreement
on
that,
but
for
the
vast
majority
of
these
tickets
I
don't
believe
that
prosecutorial
involvement
is
necessary.
B
I
don't
think
that
I
think
that
we
can
do
this
without
changing
things
for
officers
in
the
field
and
passage
of
this
bill.
In
addition
to
the
points
mr
pearl
mentioned
would
allow
us
to
conserve
some
resources
and
not
be
traveling
to
a
bunch
of
different
courts
just
to
ask
people
what
happened
next,
I
think
that
we're
a
little
bit
obsolete
in
a
lot
of
these
traffic
trials
and
so
we'd
urge
your
consideration
of
this
bill.
A
J
J
Thank
you.
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties
earlier
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
vice
chairman
nguyen,
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
know
last
last
session,
mr
chairman,
you
championed
this
and
now
vice
chair
win
has
taken
it
over,
and
this
is
my
sixth
session
represented
the
elected
da's
at
the
legislature
and
over
the
course
of
every
one
of
those
sessions.
J
I
don't
want
to
come
back
six
sessions
from
now
still
referencing
this
testimony,
because
in
all
the
discussions
that
we've
had
about
criminal
justice
reform,
it
seems
that
we
have
ignored
the
most
obvious
candidate
for
reclassification
in
terms
of
bill
passage
that
being
traffic,
we're
talking
about
low
level
minor
traffic
offenses
like
speeding
having
your
tail
light
out.
It
surprises
most
of
people
to
learn.
They
are
committing
a
misdemeanor
offense
when
they
commit
a
traffic
violation.
J
Now,
as
jay
indicated,
there
are
offenses
that
we
think
should
remain
criminal,
but
a
large
number
of
these
current
misdemeanor
crimes
can
be
reduced
to
civil
infractions,
with
little
to
no
impact
on
public
safety,
and
some
of
the
points
that
were
already
discussed
by
jenny
are
giving
prosecutors
prosecuting
agencies
the
discretion
to
prosecute
these
cases
based
on
their
own
individual
agency
resources
and
priorities.
J
I
want
to
point
out
that
prosecutors
in
maricopa
county
arizona,
that's
the
phoenix
da's
office,
they
don't
appear
in
civil
traffic
court
and
judges.
You
know
from
small
claims
court
to
tpo
hearings.
Judges
regularly
have
to
make
decisions
on
about
two
interested
parties
without
input
from
a
prosecuting
agency.
J
So
this
really
wouldn't
be
that
new
for
them
and
we
have
had
conversations
with
vice
chairwin,
the
defense
bar
and
others
about
this
bill,
and
we
are
close
to
getting
this
done
and
I
I
want
to
point
out-
and
this
kind
of
goes
to
assemblywoman
summer's
armstrong's
question
and
assemblywoman
hanson's
question
we're
not
going
to
get
this
perfect
this
session.
J
Nobody
expects
it
to
be
perfect.
I'm
thinking
of
ab236
last
session
to
our
new
cannabis
compliance
board.
Every
big
bill
that
this
legislature
has
passed
has
required
changes
over
multiple
legislative
sessions
to
get
it
right,
and
we
should
be
under
no
delusions
that
this
bill
will
be
no
different
but
to
end
on
a
famous
legislative
cliche.
A
I
Thank
you,
lisa
mosley,
for
the
record.
I
echo
everything.
John
just
said.
We
know
that
this
bill
will
bring
relief
to
a
lot
of
people
who
are
experiencing
getting
warrants
for
not
being
able
to
pay
minor
traffic
violations
and
I'll
tell
you
that,
since
we've
been
in
this
hearing,
I've
actually
gotten
a
call
from
a
gentleman.
I
I
Someone
told
their
car
transport
them
to
jail.
Those
things
cost
money,
those
things
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
with
with
non-court
staff
with
civilian
staff.
All
of
these
things
cost
money.
So
I
think
the
overall
savings
to
the
state
is
going
to
be
much
greater
than
what
we
expect
and,
as
john
said,
let's
not
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good.
Let's
get
this
bill
passed
and,
let's
figure
out
a
way
to
implement
it.
We
got
a
lot
of
smart
people
in
this
committee.
I
A
Thank
you
so
much
miss
mosley.
I
appreciate
your
testimony.
I
don't
believe
we
have
anybody
else
on
the
zoom
in
support,
so
I
want
to
go
to
the
phone
lines
and
we're
going
to
get
through
as
much
testimony
as
we
can
in
the
time
that
we
have.
So
I
would
encourage
callers
if
you're
able
to
keep
your
comments
brief
or
say
me
too,
to
what
has
been
said
that
will
help
us
get
through
as
much
testimony
as
we
can
bps.
Let's
go
to
the
phone
line
and
take
the
first
caller
in
support.
Please.
M
And
we'll
begin
our
call
with
the
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
zero
eight
zero.
Please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin.
K
Hi,
jim
hoffman
nevada
attorneys
for
criminal
justice
nacj
supports
this
bill
on
both
the
practical
and
the
moral
level.
Previous
speakers
have
given
a
lot
of
examples
of
why
this
is
good
on
a
practical
level,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
the
moral
level
a
bit
more
we're
not
supposed
to
have
debtors
prison
in
the
united
states.
K
That's
literally
something
out
of
a
charles
dickens
novel.
The
idea
that
people
should
be
locked
up,
because
they're
too
poor
to
pay
is
something
that
we
as
a
society,
firmly
reject,
and
yet
this
accidental
loophole
is
developed
where
people
are
taken
away
from
their
jobs,
their
homes,
their
children
and
put
in
jail
because
they
can't
afford
to
pay
traffic
fees.
K
M
K
Hello
and
thank
you
chair,
yeager
and
committee
members-
this
is
nick
schepeck
and
I
c
s
n-I-c-k-s-h-e-p-a-c-k
policy
and
program
associate
with
the
aclu
of
nevada.
I
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
bringing
forward
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
I
also
want
to
thank
you,
legislator,
wong,
for
his
amazing
presentation.
Few
presenters
are
as
clear,
easy
to
understand
or
as
prepared
as
he
was.
The
criminalization
of
traffic
tickets
is
a
major
issue
in
this
state,
an
issue
that
we
can
fix
this
session.
K
It
is
a
racial
justice
issue
where
two
thirds
of
las
vegas
traffic
warrants
going
to
black
and
brown
drivers.
It
is
an
economic
justice
issue.
Those
with
the
least
money
are
that,
at
the
highest
risk
of
being
unable
to
pay
fines
and
most
likely
to
be
issued
a
warrant,
it
is
a
public
safety
issue
that
forces
law
enforcement
to
spend
countless
hours
serving
bench
warrants
for
mining
traffic
violations
instead
of
focusing
on
violent
crime.
K
It
is
a
budget
issue,
as
it
is
the
taxpayer
who
pays
the
courts
to
fire
warrants
law
enforcement
to
enforce
them
in
jails,
to
house
those
who
are
arrested
on
these
ones.
It
is
a
public
health
issue
as
potential
medical
students
who
live
in
nevada
may
have
criminal
records
due
to
minor
traffic
violations
that
candidates
from
other
states
do
not
have,
even
though
they
committed
the
same
traffic
violation.
This
puts
our
candidates
at
a
disadvantage,
favoring
those
who
are
more
likely
to
leave
the
state
after
graduation.
K
It
is
a
child
welfare
issue,
as
a
single
parent
parents
who
are
forced
to
spend
the
weekend
in
jail
for
a
traffic
warrant
are
in
danger
of
losing
custody,
at
least
temporarily.
We
understand
that
the
transition
from
criminal
to
civil
may
be
challenging,
but
we
as
a
state
are
up
to
the
challenge.
The
sponsors
and
stakeholders
are
all
willing
to
work
with
the
courts
to
make
this
work.
Nevada
is
one
of
only
13
states
that
prosecutes
minor
traffic
violations
as
criminal
offenses,
rather
than
a
civil
infraction.
K
M
N
Good
morning,
terry
jager
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
this
is
kendra
burchie,
k-e-n-d-r-a
b-e-r-t-s-c-h-y,
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I
want
to
thank
vice
chair
and
wen,
as
well
as
chair
yeager,
for
all
of
your
work
regarding
this
bill
and
decriminalizing
traffic
tickets.
This
legislation
will
impact
all
citizens
in
nevada.
N
It
is
more
likely
for
someone
to
become
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
swept
up
in
mass
incarceration
with
the
more
contacts
they
have
with
law
enforcement
and
our
system.
This
will
break
that
cycle
for
individuals
who
shouldn't
have
been
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system
in
the
first
place.
37
states,
according
to
the
nevada
independent,
do
not
treat
traffic
tickets
as
criminal
offenses.
N
The
current
penalties
and
threat
of
jail
time
that
result
from
traffic
violations
should
be
reserved
for
serious
criminals
that
endanger
the
safety
of
our
citizens,
not
for
someone
only
going
five
miles
over
the
speed
limit
between
july
2017
and
june
of
2019
over
38
000
nevadans
had
their
driver's
license
suspended
because
they
could
not
afford
to
pay
court
fines
and
fees
without
the
license.
Many
nevadans
lost
their
ability
to
work
care
for
their
children
or
access
basic
needs.
N
I
agree
with
the
statements
that
were
said
before
me
and
I
believe
that,
with
this
bill,
we've
been
able
to
strike
a
balance
that
will
enable
courts
to
have
sufficient
teeth
in
order
to
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
pay
for
the
fines
and
fees,
while
also
ensuring
that
nevadans
can
continue
to
become
and
be
productive
citizens
of
this
state.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
work
on
this
bill
and
thank
you
for
the
time
and
attention
today.
M
N
Morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
christine
saunders.
That's
c-h-r-I-s-p-I-n-e,
s-a-u-n-d-e-r-s,
I'm
a
policy
director
with
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada
in
support
of
assembly
bill
116.
for
many
people
in
nevada.
The
first
step
into
the
criminal
justice
system
is
a
traffic
stop
because
nevada's
traffic
tickets
are
currently
criminal
violations.
Something
is
seemingly
harmless
with
a
broken
taillight
or
unpaid
parking
tickets
could
lead
to
your
arrest,
incarceration
or,
as
you've
already
heard,
the
session.
The
suspension
of
your
license.
N
M
K
C
K
Start
my
remarks
by
reiterating
a
point,
I
believe
that
this
committee
would
agree
with,
which
is
that
our
criminal
system
should
be
rehabilitative.
It's
not
punitive,
however.
Under
the
existing
laws,
citizens
are
unjustly
and
disproportionately
punished
with
financial
penalties
that
have
gone
paid,
render
stiff
criminal
consequences.
K
K
This
exemplifies
that,
under
our
current
laws,
our
system
remains
unjustly
punitive
and
disproportionately
impacts
racial
minorities
in
low-income
families.
The
lvmba
believes
ab-116
will
mitigate
the
real-world
consequences
of
systematic
racism
and
class
discrimination
existing
in
our
criminal
justice
system,
as
such
lbmba
urges
our
elected
officials
to
please
support
ab116.
Thank
you.
M
Our
next
caller
will
have
the
last
three
digits
of
606..
That's
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
606.
press,
star
6,
now
to
unmute
yourself.
Please
state
your
name
and
spell
your
name.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin.
M
D
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
ron
najaro,
that's
r-o-n-a-l-d
name
n-a-j-a-r-r-o,
and
I
represent
americans
for
prosperity,
nevada,
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
testify
here
in
support
of
ab-116
a
bill
that
ends
criminalization
of
minor
traffic
violations
and
aligns
nevada
with
the
practices
of
most
other
states.
Av-116
will
change
minor
traffic
violations
from
criminals
to
civil
infractions,
which
would
end
the
practice
of
issuing
warrants
when
funds
cannot
be
paid.
We
are
only
one
of
13
states
that
prosecute
minor
traffic
violations
as
criminal
offenses,
rather
than
civil
infractions.
D
Major
violations-
and
this
is
important,
such
as
drag
racing,
reckless,
driving
and
dui,
would
still
be
considered
criminal
under
ab-116
requiring
law
enforcement
to
execute
traffic
or
execute
warrants
for
unpaid
traffic
tickets,
distract
them
from
activities
that
improve
public
safety
and
can
unnecessarily
rob
individuals
opportunities
to
improve
their
lives,
particularly
those
already
struggling.
Such
actions,
waste
time
and
resources
lead
to
unnecessary
contact
between
citizens
and
police
and
can
erode
trust
between
law
enforcement
and
the
communities
they
serve.
Furthermore,
warrants
are
counterproductive
and
an
expensive
method
of
coercing
people
to
pay
for
a
traffic
ticket.
D
According
to
the
fines
and
fees
justice
center,
the
average
person
arrested
in
clark
county
on
traffic
warrants
spends
almost
three
days
in
jail
at
a
cost
to
taxpayers
of
over
400
dollars
per
day.
This
costs,
the
taxpayers
quickly,
adds
up,
and
these
expenditures
do
nothing
to
improve
public
safety.
The
reality
is
that
most
unpaid
traffic
tickets
are
a
consequence
of
one,
a
valid
inability
to
pay
or
two
simply
a
matter
of
an
individual
forgetting
the
date
their
payment
was
due.
D
For
these
reasons,
we
support
efforts
to
introduce
an
amendment
allowing
for
community
service
options
to
pay
for
fines
and
fees
and
basing
these
options
on
on
income.
The
harm
three
days
in
jail
can
have
on
individuals
and
their
families
can
range
from
losing
a
job,
their
housing
and
even
their
children,
making
it
far
more
difficult
to
earn
the
money
to
pay
their
court
debt
or
care
for
themselves
and
their
families.
Lastly,
we
should
be
funding
our
court
system
on
fines
and
fees.
Sports
and
the
judicial
system
are
a
core
function
of
our
government.
D
M
I
I
I
also
want
to
look
at
the
intent
of
the
the
statute
itself,
the
intent
of
imposing
fines
for
traffic
violations.
I
We
will
inevitably
have
to
go
back
and
at
some
point,
correct
the
language
to
figure
out
how
payments
will
go
to
different
municipalities,
but
I
want
to
look
at
its
intent.
The
intent
is
to
protect
the
community
and
to
protect
the
citizens
from
certain
driving
infractions
that
can
still
be
done
by
making
it
a
civil
crime.
I
mean
civil
penalty.
Excuse
me,
as
opposed
to
a
criminal
crime.
I
There
is
no
doubt
that
lower
income
communities,
which
sometimes
tend
to
have
higher
crime
rates,
are
also
policed.
More
and
because
of
that,
the
there's
a
disparate
impact,
disparate
treatment
in
terms
of
those
who
are
being
deemed
criminals
under
this
statute.
I
know
that
some
people
have
already
talked
about
certain
licenses
as
well
such
as
medical
license,
but
we
also
have
to
think
about
college
application.
I
Removing
this
as
other
states
and
jurisdictions
have
done,
will
benefit
the
community
in
nevada
and
those
who
come
in
and
those
who
leave
to
go
do
great
things
outside
of
nevada.
I
think
that
by
making
it
a
civil
matter
where
you
still
have
to
pay
fees,
it
still
has
the
same
impact
of
deterring
minor
infractions
for
driving,
so
I'm
calling
in
to
support
116..
Thank
you.
M
N
Okay,
yes,
caller
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
take
the
time
to
speak
on
navy
116..
I
just
personally
want
to
share
my
testimony
in
support
of
8116,
as
I
really
would
hope
that
it
would
bring
individuals
who
have
encountered
such
harsh
things
like
myself,
with
having
to
deal
with
being
arrested
just
for
a
traffic
violation.
I
actually
got
arrested
when
I
was
about
six
months
pregnant,
contriving
to
a
high-risk
pregnancy
appointment.
N
So
if
you
can
imagine,
I
was
in
jail
for
the
first
time
for
a
traffic
ticket
six
months
pregnant
and
had
to
stay
there
for
17
hours
to
get
bailed
out
for
380
17
hours
later.
Not
only
that
I
am
a
individual
who
has
a
bachelor's
degree
and
two
master's
degrees
and
could
not
get
into
a
particular
agency
in
our
state,
because
I
still
had
that
on
my
record
and
today
it
still
affects
certain
opportunities
that
I
would
like
to
pursue.
N
Despite
how
highly
educated
and
how
much
experience
I
have
it's
just
very
discouraging-
and
I
want
to
just
kind
of
point
out
that
it
there's
this
misconception.
Not
just
because
you
have
one
traffic
violation
or
just
because
you
have
one
arrest
with
a
child
violation
that
it
does
not
impede
on
your
future
opportunities,
and
I
just
want
that
to
be
actually
addressed
and
noticed
that,
when
she
does
thank
you.
M
Thank
you
chair.
Our
next
caller
will
be
the
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of.
M
K
D
Z,
thank
you
for
the
this
opportunity
to
testify
in
support
of
ab116
a
bill
that
ends
the
criminalization
of
minor
traffic
violations
and
allies,
nevada
law
with
the
practices
in
most
other
states.
The
legal
initiative
exists
to
advance
the
principles
and
values
of
a
free
and
open
society
to
empower
the
hispanic
and
latino
communities,
so
it
can
try
to
contribute
to
a
more
prosperous
america.
The
libra
initiative
supports
ab-116
because
members
of
the
hispanic
and
latino
community,
many
of
whom
have
lower
incomes
and
less
job
security,
would
be
among
the
greatest
beneficiaries
of
this
chart.
D
D
The
fact
that
30
father
prosecute
minor
traffic
violations
as
criminal
census
confirms
of
this
policy
change
and
proves
that
this
will
not
harm
our
ability
to
collect
these
debts.
We
believe
assemblywoman
wins,
ab-116
offers
just
that
type
of
reform.
Lawmakers
in
both
parties
should
support
moving
it
through
the
state
assembly
and
senate
promptly
and
governor
to
select
should
sign
it
into
law.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
M
N
Hi
everyone-
this
is
courtney
jones
c-o-u-r-t-n-e-y.
Lastly
j-o-n-e-s,
so
I
have
a
family
member
that
currently
cannot
drive
their
son
around
grocery
shop
and
more
because
they
have
a
warrant
for
a
minor
traffic
violation.
N
N
It's
a
system
of
power
and
control
that,
quite
frankly,
we
can
see
police
enjoy
being
able
to
incarcerate
people
over
minor
offenses
that
have
not
harmed
anyone
has
but
have
been
made
into
a
crime,
and
in
my
own
research
I
have
come
to
see
that
this
injustice
system
does
not
want,
does
not
make
all
harms
crime
and
all
crimes
have
not
been
made
into
harm.
So
we
are
incarcerating
people
just
to
keep
up
with
a
system
that
has
never
and
continues
to
work
against.
Folks.
In
america,
people
are
being
criminalized.
N
This
is
an
old
tactic
of
mass
incarceration
and
when
you
have
many
nevadans
not
able
to
pay
their
bail
or
for
their
car
to
be
back
in
their
possession
that
harms
their
housing
that
harms
their.
You
know
tons
of
things
in
their
lives
and
these
signs
and
fees.
The
justice
in
this
injustice
system
hurts
millions
of
americans,
entrenching
them
in
poverty
and
raci,
and
just
continuing
racial
disparities
and
diminishing,
of
course,
the
trust
that
people
already
lack
in
courts
and
police.
N
This
is,
like
previous
folks,
have
said:
human
costs,
not
just
the
taxpayer
costs
and
if,
if
we
do
see
further
into
it,
that
we're
trying
to
keep
up
we're,
hiring
more
prosecutors
and
public
defenders
and
judges
and
court
staff
again
just
to
keep
up
with
the
system
that
does
not
and
continues
to
not
work
for
us
and
the
increase
in
the
number
and
value
of
fines
and
fees
again
is
just
coinciding
with
the
rise
in
mass
incarceration,
and
this
has
been
used
for
policymakers
to
justify
the
increased
fines
and
fees.
N
So
that's
my
opinion
and
I
really
do
hope
that
we
don't
continue
to
use
these
unnecessary
fees
as
a
substitute
for
taxes
simply
for
us
to
continue
funding
this
criminal
injustice
system.
I
hope
we
continue
thinking
of
the
bigger
picture
and
pass
this
bill,
because
we
are
putting
many
nevada
residents
in
positions
where
they
may
lose
their
jobs,
housing,
children
and
more.
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Miss
jones
and
we're
going
to
have
to
leave,
leave
a
support
testimony
there
due
to
time
constraints.
I
know
there
were
others
on
the
phone
wanting
to
participate
today.
I
thank
you
for
your
patience,
apologize
that
we
could
not
get
to
you
this
morning,
but
encourage
you
to
submit
your
comments.
In
writing.
I
will
note
for
members
of
the
committee
that
there
are
some
additional
letters
of
support
on
nellis
for
this
bill.
A
couple
of
them
are
from
individuals.
A
M
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
committee,
warren
hardy
w-a-r-r-e-n
sam
hardy
h-a-r-d-y
today
representing
the
urban
consortium,
which
is
made
up
of
the
cities
of
las
vegas,
henderson
reno
and
sparks
we're
signing
in
today
in
opposition
based
on
the
rules.
But
it
sounds
like
we're,
probably
in
a
position
like
that.
Most
of
the
folks
that
signed
and
support
our
we
have
met
with
assemblyman,
assemblywoman
wen
and
appreciate
her
willingness
to
hear
our
concerns.
She
actually
in
her
in
her
testimony
addressed
most
of
our
concerns
and
the
things
we're
working
on.
D
Obviously,
as
the
cities
were
a
little
bit
concerned
about
how
all
of
the
bills
relative
to
to
decriminalization
other
things
are,
gonna
are
gonna
match
up
at
the
end,
but
we'll
do
our
best
to
be
supportive
and
try
to
help
the
legislature
work
through
those
issues,
but
we
work.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
sponsor
and
appreciate
very
much
her
willingness
to
address
our
concerns,
most
of
which
she's
already
spoken
to.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
we'll
keep
working
on
this
and
process
this
this
great
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
M
D
Good
morning,
chairman
yeager
vice
chairwin
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
e-r-I-c-s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y
for
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
and
pursuant
to
committee
rules
only
I'm
here
in
opposition
to
ab-116,
but
have
full
confidence
that
this
bill
will
arrive
at
a
place
where
we
are
not
in
opposition.
We
appreciate
vice
chairwin
and
lisa
mosley,
reaching
out
early
on
to
have
us
as
part
of
the
discussion
and
look
forward
to
nailing
this
down
and
getting
the
final
details
worked
out
with
her
to
move
this
forward
this
session.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
M
D
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
my
name
is
alex
tortill
t
I
representing
clark
county.
Even
though
this
is
a
policy
committee,
it
is
our
only.
It
is
our
only
opportunity
to
express
our
concerns
about
the
fiscal
impact
to
clark
county.
Therefore,
kenny
opposes
assembly
bill
116
as
written
only
due
to
the
fiscal
impact
to
the
county.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
assemblywoman
wynn
for
assembling
several
work
groups
to
discuss
our
concerns
and
ideas
to
ease
these
concerns.
D
Again,
my
position
is
only
based
on
the
fiscal
impact
to
the
county
and
not
the
policy
issues
discussed
today.
We
submitted
a
fiscal
note
a
while
back
based
on
the
original
bill,
which
is
on
nellis.
However,
that
fiscal
note
may
change
based
on
any
future
amendment
to
this
bill.
Once
again,
I
want
to
thank
the
assemblywoman
for
meeting
with
us
and
keeping
the
conversation
going
on
this
very
important
issue.
Thank
you
again,
chair
and
committee
members
for
your
time
today.
M
M
O
Hello,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
chuck
callaway
c-a-l-l-a,
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
Like
many
of
the
opposition
before
me,
I
am
calling
in
opposed
to
ab-116
based
on
the
rules
of
committee.
O
We
definitely
support
the
concept
of
minor
traffic
offenses
being
civil,
the
concept
is
great,
but
the
question
is:
how
do
we
get
there?
There
are
a
lot
of
answered
questions
in
the
bill
as
written.
There
are
logistical
issues
that
must
be
addressed
as
assemblywoman
wins
stated.
Our
hope
is
that
procedures
for
officers
in
the
field
remain
the
same.
O
As
we
all
know,
traffic
violations,
minor
traffic
violations
often
lead
to
major
arrests.
Just
a
couple
of
examples
of
that
is
the
case
of
warren
jess,
the
child
rapist,
who
was
stopped
for
a
temporary
plate
on
his
vehicle,
timothy
mcveigh,
the
oklahoma
city
bomber,
who
was
stopped
with
no
license
plate
on
his
vehicle.
O
The
number
one
complaint
that
we
get
from
citizens
in
our
communities
is
traffic.
They
are
upset
about
speeders
in
their
neighborhood.
They
are
upset
about
the
way
people
are
driving
in
school
zones
and,
as
you
know,
we've
had
21
fatalities
in
our
jurisdiction
this
year
and
those
are
often
a
result
of
speed
being
a
major
factor
in
those
accidents.
O
We
believe
that
a
proper
system
should
be
set
up
similar
to
the
current
dmv
system
for
license,
revocation
to
address
these
types
of
violations,
and
I,
like
the
statement
made
by
assemblywoman,
nguyen
that
we
would
be
able
to
submit
an
affidavit
rather
than
having
officers
appear
section
28
of
the
bill.
The
proof
of
insurance
section
has
language
that
the
agency
shall
immediately
forward
a
copy
to
the
registered
owner
of
a
citation
by
by
registered
mail.
O
That
could
be
a
logistical
issue
for
our
agency
to
be
in
a
position
to
have
to
track
down
registered
owners
and
submit
to
them
by
mail,
copies
of
citations
that
were
written
to
a
driver.
That
was
not
the
registered
owner,
and
we
also
may
have
some
data
and
I.t
impacts
as
we
change
our
systems
over
to
address
civil
rather
than
criminal
infractions.
O
I
would
recommend,
there's
a
saying:
you
know
the
you
eat
the
old
saying
that
you
eat
an
elephant
one
bite
at
a
time.
I
would
recommend
that
there's
a
time
frame
established
for
implementation
with
specific
pieces
being
implemented.
First,
such
as
the
adjudication
process
that
I
mentioned,
and
this
has
been
a
discussion
since
2013.
We
have
traditionally
supported
the
concept.
O
M
L
L
Major
concerns
have
mostly
been
discussed
with
regards
to
the
implementation
of
this
bill
and
also
with
regards
to
the
impacts
to
the
county.
I
currently
through
our
two
justices
of
the
peace
in
our
county.
We
handle
over
3
000
citations.
L
L
We
certainly
here
in
lincoln
county.
We
we
take
our
traffic
citations
very
seriously,
especially
speeding,
because
we
see
deaths
frequently
from
just
speeding
citations,
and
so,
if
someone
has
to
negotiate
these,
it
should
not
be
the
judge
these
down
to
a
parking
ticket.
Well,
first
off
we
don't
have
any
parking
citations
out
here
in
lincoln
county
other
than
handicapped
parking.
L
There
was
questions
with
regards
to
the
funding.
I
can
tell
you
for
lincoln
county
in
the
last
budget
session,
the
county
budgeted
that
fines
and
forfeitures
would
be
about
350
000
dollars
to
the
county.
I
can
tell
you
with
kova
that
that
went
down
to
under
approximately
a
little
over
a
hundred
thousand
and
that
caused
some
major
issues
with
our
budget.
We
have
very
limited
income
out
here
in
lincoln
county
and
our
whole
budget
for
the
general
fund
is
about
four
million
dollars,
and
so
three
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
a
big
portion.
L
It
does
not
pay
for
all
of
our
courts,
but
it
does
help
to
offset
the
cost
of
running
the
courts.
I
do
believe
that
if
this
goes
civil,
I
know
there's
discussions
with
collection
of
delinquents
in
the
in
the
bill.
In
section
36,
my
experience,
I've
been
in
private
practice
before
becoming
the
d.a
for
for
15
years,
and
my
experience
is
that
when
you
try
to
collect
civil
judgments,
it
is
very
difficult
and
time
consuming.
L
L
This
is
going
to
make
it
very
difficult
on
the
county
and
then,
finally,
the
county
is
in
opposition
with
regards
to
restrictions
that
are
being
placed
on
local
authority,
one
to
impose
a
criminal
penalty
or
two
to
restrict
what
we
can
charge.
I
know
the
the
bill
currently
has
restrictions
of
twenty
dollars
per
mile
per
hour
on
county
roads.
We
believe
that
these
are
county
decisions
and
should
be
based
upon
the
counties
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony,
mr
frainer,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
connect
with
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
on
your
concerns,
as
you've
heard
she's
been
willing
to
work
with
folks.
So
if
you
haven't
already
done
that,
I
would
encourage
you
to
connect
with
her
in
the
very
near
future
to
see
if
some
of
those
concerns
can
be
addressed.
M
A
M
N
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
ariel
edwards
a-r-I-e-l-l-e
e-b-w-a-r-d-s,
with
the
city
of
north
las
vegas,
testifying
in
neutral
to
ab116
we'd
like
to
thank
the
bill
sponsor
for
bringing
this
piece
of
legislation
forward.
We
appreciate
the
intent
of
the
bill.
As
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
is
largely
a
minority
majority
city.
We
are
still
identifying
the
long-term
fiscal
impacts
of
this
bill.
A
A
F
Thank
you
roshawn
for
the
record.
Thank
you
guys
so
much
for
hearing
that
testimony,
as
you
can
tell
you
know,
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
do
to
implement
what
I
think
is
a
very
good
policy,
and
I
think
it
is
where
the
direction
our
state
needs
to
go
in.
I
think
I've
tried
to
my
best
to
work
with
as
many
stakeholders
to
get
it
right
and,
as
mr
jones
had
said
in
his
supportive
testimony,
you
know
we're
not
going
to
get
it
right.
F
I
would
be
naive
to
think
that
I'm
even
a
little
bit
talented
enough
to
make
a
perfect
bill.
I
just
know
that
they
don't
exist
and
our
process
is
meant
to
be
dynamic
and
to
change
with
our
society
and
what
is
happening.
So
I
look
forward
to
that.
I
did
want
to
put
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
the
record.
I
know
that
at
one
point
miss
mosley
had
talked
about.
F
I
believe
it
was
the
las
vegas
justice
court
had
58
000,
58
000
warrants
and
then
another
one
of
the
speakers
had
questioned
whether
or
not
that
was
in
henderson
that
wasn't
henderson.
In
fact,
henderson
municipal
court
has
less
than
12
000
active
warrants,
which
is
still
a
lot
of
words,
but
I
will
continue
to
reach
out
and
work
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
to
try
to
address
all
of
their
concerns.
F
At
the
end
of
the
day,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
again
doing
this
safely,
efficiently,
fairly
and
equitably.
Thank
you
and
I
would
love
your
support
on
assemblyville
116.
A
Thank
you
vice
chairwin
and
thank
you,
youth
legislator,
wong
and
the
others
who
were
on
the
zoom
to
help
with
questions
this
morning.
We
appreciate
the
presentation
and
appreciate
you
spending
some
time
with
us
on
this
thursday
morning.
With
that
behind
us,
I
will
close
the
the
bill
hearing
on
assembly
bill
116.
A
moving
right
along
we're
going
to
go
to
our
second
bill
on
the
agenda.
I
will
now
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
230
assembly
bill
230
revises
provisions
relating
to
juvenile
justice.
Before
we
take
the
presentation
I'll.
Let
committee
members
and
members
of
the
public
know
that
there
are
a
couple
of
amendments
that
are
uploaded
to
nellis
on
this
bill.
A
I
do
believe
both
of
those
amendments
are
viewed
as
friendly
by
the
sponsor
of
the
bill,
and
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
is
our
very
own
assemblyman
miller,
so
welcome
to
the
virtual
presentation
table
assembly
manila.
I
know
you
have
a
number
of
folks
with
you
who
are
going
to
help
you
present
we'll
give
you
a
chance
to
get
through
that,
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions
so
welcome
and
please
proceed.
P
Thank
you,
chair
yeager,
good
morning
committee
members
for
the
record.
I
am
assemblyman
cameron,
c,
h,
miller,
representing
assembly,
district,
7
and
clark
county.
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
present
assembly
bill
230
before
you
today,
which
aims
to
eliminate
direct
filing
provisions
in
nevada
statute
that
require
youth
to
be
tried
in
a
demo
adult
criminal
court
when
charged
with
certain
offenses.
P
Now,
throughout
the
80s
and
the
90s,
nearly
every
state
in
the
country
adopted
and
expanded
direct
filing
laws
that
remove
children
in
some
cases
as
young
as
10
years
old
from
the
juvenile
courts
and
exposed
them
to
adult
sentences,
including
life
without
parole.
Many
of
these
children
were
also
put
in
adult
correctional
facilities
with
adults.
P
Now
much
of
this
legislation
stemmed
from
the
devastating
narrative
that
a
monstrous
wave
of
mythical
creatures,
known
as
super
predators,
impulsive,
remorseless
elementary
school
youngsters
who
pack
guns
instead
of
lunches,
would
take
over.
So
the
obvious
solution
must
have
been
to
lock
them
up
as
young
as
possible
to
save
the
world
right,
something
we
now
identify
as
the
school-to-prison
pipeline
today.
We
all
know
that
narrative
wasn't
true
and
it
led
to
more
problems
than
it
could
have
ever
solved.
P
So
we,
the
members
of
this
committee,
the
members
of
this
house,
the
members
of
this
legislature,
are
now
tasked
with
continuing
the
fight
to
right
the
wrongs
of
that
time.
Fortunately,
we
have
the
power
of
information
from
a
number
of
research
studies
to
use
as
tools
to
aid
us
in
our
efforts.
Studies
that
prove
mature
brain
development
and
the
capacity
to
make
sound
decisions
is
not
achieved
when
an
individual
is
closer
to
their
mid-twenties
information.
P
P
P
140
of
the
147
juveniles
directly
filed
in
adult
court
in
clark
county
were
young
people
of
color
black
and
brown
kids.
I'm
gonna
repeat
that
again
for
the
people.
In
the
back
from
2012
to
2017
140
of
the
147
juveniles
directly
filed
into
adult
court
in
clark
county
were
young
people
of
color,
jigada
chambers
of
mass
liberation
and
silver
state
voices
will
provide
some
additional
information
on
the
racial
disparities
in
this
area.
So
where
are
we
today?
P
Well,
several
states
have
passed
measures
to
revise
their
direct
filing
statutes
and
some
have
even
eliminated
the
practice
of
trying
youth
as
adults.
Altogether,
several
of
our
neighbors
have
passed
legislation
that
allows
juvenile
courts
greater
discretion
when
certifying
youth
as
adults
and
establish
more
stringent
standards
for
the
certification
process.
P
Now
it's
nevada's
turn
mr
frank
guzman,
director
of
the
youth
justice
initiative
and
national
center
of
youth
law,
who
was
instrumental
in
eliminating
california's
direct
file.
Legislation
will
share
his
personal
story
with
us
and
tell
us
the
work
he's
doing
in
our
neighboring
states
to
end
the
practice
of
trying
youth
as
adults.
P
Then
we
must
take
the
bold
and
courageous
step
to
apply
that
information
and
pass
this
bill
for
nevada's
future.
Chair.
With
your
permission,
I
would
like
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
kelly
jones,
a
clark
county
public
defender
in
the
juvenile
division,
who
will
walk
us
through
the
bill,
as
it
is
written.
H
Good
morning,
chair
chairman
yeager
and
the
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
again
for
the
record,
my
name
is
kelly
jones.
I
am
a
chief
deputy
public
defender
with
the
clark
county,
public
defender's
office,
the
juvenile
division,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
assembly
bill
230.
H
The
measure
initially
keeps
juvenile
crimes
within
the
juvenile
court
yet
allows
juvenile
court
to
certify
a
young
person
as
an
adult
when
an
investigation
and
hearing
shows
that
is
proper
in
most
extreme
cases.
Now,
please
keep
in
mind
that
the
ab230
does
not
change
the
existing
criteria
that
make
a
youth
eligible
to
be
certified.
H
Also
remember
that
the
primary
focus
of
the
juvenile
justice
system
is
for
rehabilitation
and
consistent
with
this
philosophy.
The
research
has
demonstrated
that
youthful
offenders
retained
in
the
juvenile
system
have
a
lower
recidivism
rate
and
then
those
who
are
transferred
to
adult
correctional
facilities
with
this
bill,
we
can
more
fully
and
appropriately
address
and
perhaps
even
stop
circumstances
that
lead
to
con.
Concerning
behavior
of
youth,
not
allowing
a
child.
The
opportunity
for
a
second
chance
to
resume
themselves
seems
to
be
especially,
and
particularly
cool.
H
Ask
assemblyman
miller
mentioned
taking
a
use
from
the
juvenile
justice
system
to
the
adult
system
is
quite
cool.
H
H
I
understand
that
our
juvenile
judges
are
actually
more
trained
to
understand
the
and
more
familiar
with
the
services
that
are
available
to
you,
which
does
not
happen
in
the
adult
court.
H
Juvenile
courts
are
specifically
created
to
address
the
individualized
needs
of
you
and
in
recognition
of
youth,
they
recognize
that
youth
are
much
different
than
adults.
H
In
this
in
av
230
also,
we
want
you
to
realize
that
by
repealing
direct
file,
it
does
not
repeal
or
limit
the
state's
ability
to
actually
recommend
children
for
certification
for
extreme
cases
and
note
that
45
of
45
states,
including
dc,
have
already
have
transfer
statutes
that
allow
the
juvenile
court
judges
to
determine
if
the
youth
can
or
cannot
be
rehabilitated
in
the
juvenile
system.
H
H
H
H
And
also,
as
the
similar
movement
assemblyman
miller
mentioned,
it
was
based
in
the
1990s
of
the
super
predator
that
got
us
these
laws
they're,
basically
saying
that
we
are
writing
off
children
and
believing
that
they
are
more
like
adults
than
children.
We
are
criminalizing
their
behaviors,
which
is
absolutely
unnecessary.
H
There
have
been
several
jurisdictions
that
have
removed
youth
under
the
age
of
18,
out
of
adult
jails,
allowing
them
to
remain
in
the
juvenile
system
and
juvenile
detention
centers.
H
One
case
that
comes
to
mind-
that's
happened
in
the
last
10
years
is
khalifa
browder.
He
was
a
youth
who
was
accused
of
stealing
a
backpack.
He
was
on
rikers
island
for
three
years
in
that
adult
system
without
ever
being
charged.
H
A
P
Yes,
chair
yeager
assemblyman
miller
for
the
record.
Yes,
we'll
go
to
miss
stephanie,
tucker
and
then
to
jigada
chambers.
A
Thank
you
so
much
welcome
miss
tucker.
If
you
wouldn't,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
camera
capabilities.
If
so,
if
you
could
turn
your
camera
on,
if
not
just
feel
free
to
proceed
with
audio,
only
welcome
to
the
committee
and
please
go
ahead.
Q
Hey
there,
it
actually
says
that
I
can't
turn
my
camera
on,
because
the
host
stopped
it.
I
do
think
I
came
in
with
my
camera
on
so
that
might
be
the
issue.
A
Q
All
right,
so
my
name
is
stephanie
tucker,
I'm
a
clinical
professional,
counselor
and
national
board
certified
counselor.
I
went
to
unlv
and
actually
you
can
see
it
right
there
and
I
I
did
counseling
psychology
there.
Q
So
I
I
want
to
tell
you
that,
right
after
I
got
out
of
school,
my
first
assignment
to
work
in
was
on
people
who
had
been
through
the
court
system,
and
these
were
court
mandated
counseling
clients
and
the
vast
vast
majority
of
them
just
broadly
kind
of
showed
signs
of
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
hyper-vigilance,
anxiety,
panic,
attacks,
a
lot
of
depression,
suicidal
thoughts,
intrusive
thoughts,
things
like
this
and
many
many
of
these
people
had
been
through
some
kind
of
juvenile
court
system,
but
also
many
of
them
had
actually
been
taken
to
jail
or
taken
to
adult
jail
as
kids,
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that,
like
it's,
not
just
my
personal,
you
know
anecdotal
experience
here,
but
in
fact
that,
like
people
who
are
jailed
when
they
are
minors,
they
are
much
more
likely
to
be
adults
with
post-traumatic
stress
disorder.
Q
Various
mood
disorders
and
trauma-related,
stressors
and
asmus
jones,
who
was
speaking
previously
alluded
to
the
prefrontal
cortex
of
a
minor,
is
not
totally
developed
and
in
fact
we
don't
think
that
it's
completely
developed
till
around
age
25
for
most
people.
Q
So
while
we
are
putting
many
of
these
people
in
jail,
they
are
developmentally
immature
and
I
think
anybody
who's
kind
of
been
around
teenagers
or
who
remembers
being
a
teenager
themselves,
will
know
that,
like
maybe
the
choices
and
decisions
that
you
made
as
a
teenager
or
not
the
same
ones,
that
you
would
make
as
an
adult
there's,
a
study
done
by
ucla
shows
about
66
percent
of
juveniles
who,
in
adult
jail,
probably
most
likely.
Q
This
is
a
study
done
of
about
14
000
people
have
some
sort
of
undiagnosed
mental
illness,
and
it
also
shows
that
aggressive
punishments
like
jail
time
actually
worsen
those
things.
And
then
this
is
maybe
where
I
want
to
like
kind
of
bring
in
the
concept
a
little
bit
of
like
epigenetics,
so
epigenetics
you
can
kind
of
think
of
with
mental
health
sort
of
like
you
might
think
about
cancer.
Q
We
might
have
a
predisposition
to
have
some
kind
of
a
problem
right,
maybe
it's
the
trauma-induced
stressor
problems
or
depression,
because
we
have
some
genetic
factors,
but
really
what
causes
mental
health
problems
are
the
interplay
of
both
genetics
and
environment
and
when
these
two
things
kind
of
come
together,
we
kind
of
get
like
the
perfect
storm
of
difficulties
with
mental
illness,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
to
talk
about
this
in
particular
is
because
I
want
to
talk
about
the
aces
scale,
which
is
something
that
you
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
with.
Q
Asa
stands
for
adverse
childhood
experiences.
Adverse
childhood
experiences
are
really
really
important
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
think
well.
This
happened
in
childhood,
it's
not
as
important
as
it
is
today.
You
know.
Maybe
they
don't
know
much
about
developmental
theory,
but
a
very
long
time
study
in
longitudinal
studies
have
shown
that
adverse
childhood
experiences,
one
of
the
most
adverse
childhood
experiences
being
taken
be
being
taken
away
from
your
parents,
removed
from
your
family
being
abandoned
and
or
witnessing
like
violence,
which
can
also
be
the
result
of
being
arrested
for
many
people.
Q
It
is
a
typically
very
emotionally
charged
and
violent
thing
to
to
be
arrested
and
to
be
taken
away
from
your
family
and
put
into
the
court
system.
This
causes
a
ripple
effect
of
problems
far
beyond
what
is
happening
currently
with
a
with
a
child
in
that
system,
and-
and
I
I
tell
you
that,
because
what
we
see
with
aces
adverse
childhood
experiences
is
that
those
people
actually
grow
up,
and
I
want
to
appeal
to
you
kind
of
physically
physically
here.
Q
These
people
grow
up
to
be
people
who
have
mental
and
emotional
health
problems
over
the
entirety
of
their
life,
and
I,
when
I
say
physical
health
problems,
people
who
have
adverse
childhood
experiences,
they
grow
up
to
be
people
who
have
gastrointestinal
problems
back
problems,
chronic
headaches,
things
that
they
are
visiting
doctors
for
frequently,
and
the
other
part
like
portion
of
that
is
also
that
they
grow
up
to
be
people
who
are
more
likely
to
have
mental
health
problems.
Q
I
do
want
to
maybe
hit
on
the
fact
that
kids
are
also
disadvantaged
in
the
system
when
we
put
children
who,
again
their
brains,
are
not
completely
developed
until
after
age
25
into
a
system
where
they
are
expected
to
act
and
make
decisions.
The
way
that
an
adult
might
they
are
highly
disadvantaged.
They
are
highly
disadvantaged
in
the
fact-finding
process
because
they
they
occupy
a
lower
social
status.
Q
We
have
to
recognize
that
children
occupy
a
lower
social
status,
they
may
say,
or
do
things
that
adults
wouldn't
do
and
unfortunately,
once
they
go
into
prison
systems,
they
are
expected
to
make
choices
and
decisions.
The
way
an
adult
might-
and
that
is
actually
just
not
pragmatic,
as
all
of
us
know
like
there-
are
certain
things
that
we
don't
allow
kids
to
do,
because
they're
not
developmentally
ready
to
do
them.
Q
I
mean
some
examples
of
that,
of
course,
are
like
drink
alcohol
drive
a
car,
so
in
this
case
we
would
be
putting
people
who
we
don't
trust
enough
to
drink
alcohol,
for
instance
responsibly,
but
we
would
expect
them
to
be
able
to
make
responsible
decisions
about
their
own
lives
and
the
future
projection
of
their
lives
in
a
prison
system.
Q
I
I
have
to
say,
there's
been
a
multitude
of
studies
that
both
show
that
there
are
of
course
impacts
beyond
the
incarceration
for
a
lifetime
over
this
and
and
probably
you've
been
presented
with
a
lot
of
them,
but
I
think
maybe
the
important
piece
to
take
away
is
it's
not
just
that
the
person
is
disadvantaged
but,
like
the
person
is
disadvantaged,
and
it's
something
that
all
of
us
have
to
deal
with,
whether
it's
them
getting
arrested
later
on
then
needing
a
greater
amount
of
social
services,
mental
health
services,
physical
health
services.
Q
This
actually
is
a
bad
thing
for
everyone
to
incarcerate
children
and,
as
ms
jones
alluded
to
as
well,
there
are
better
outcomes
for
keeping
people
inside
of
juvenile
systems,
and
I
appreciate
you
listening
to
me
this
morning.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
your
time.
A
R
Greetings
committee
members.
Thank
you,
chair
yeager.
Thank
you.
Vice
chair
nguyen,
my
name
is
jigeda
chambers,
I'm
an
89113,
zip
code
person,
I'm
a
clark
county
school
district
father,
I'm
a
mass
liberation
project,
fellow
and
in
my
in
my
day,
job
hat
on
the
rights
restoration
coordinator
for
silver
state
voices.
I
want
to
acknowledge
my
privilege.
R
My
birth
father
was
in
my
home
my
entire
or
his
entire
life,
for
me
definitely
impacted
my
weight,
my
life
and
a
way
of
life
in
a
positive
way,
and
definitely
how
I
personally
approach
the
sacredness
of
fatherhood,
while
I'm
in
the
space
with
you
today
22
years
ago
tomorrow,
actually
during
a
spring
break
trip
to
florida,
my
senior
year
of
college,
I
got
into
a
physical
altercation
with
a
close
friend
of
mine
and
that
trip
culminated
with
me
losing
at
jury,
trial
and
being
convicted
of
second-degree
attempted
murder.
R
In
the
early
stages
of
my
incarceration,
there
was
a
14
year
old
youth
that
was
a
national
story.
His
name
was
lionel.
His
name
is
lionel
tate.
He
was
sentenced
to
natural
life
in
florida
for
the
murder
of
a
six-year-old
six-year-old
girl.
He
injured.
Doing
wrestling
moves
again,
as
I
was
helping
build
the
the
library
at
the
annex
facility,
where
this
youth
was
housed,
I
would
see
lionel
regularly.
R
The
gentleman
was
he
was
never
in
a
hurry.
He
was
always
walking
with
his
head
down
and
as
hard
as
prison
for
me
was
for
me
to
digest
at
22.
Actually
in
my
early
20s
it
used
to
plague
my
spirit
when
I
saw
that
youngster.
I
think
therein
lies
my
passion
for
youth.
It
had
a
huge
profound
impact
on
me.
Youth
in
conflict
with
the
the
coming
conflict
with
the
law
should
be
treated
fairly
and
definitely
not
treated
as
adults.
R
I
think
my
purpose
is
assisting
the
mothers
and
the
grandmothers
who
navigate
those
kids
through
the
criminal
justice
system,
but
my
hopes
in
that
work
is
showing
those
youth
if
it's
a
better
way
than
what
they're
entangled
with
now
I'll
dig
right
into
assembly
bill.
230,
I'm
going
to
divulge
some
of
the
realities
as
to
clark
county's
usage
of
direct
filing
a
youth
into
the
adult
court
system.
R
The
data
will
highlight
racial
and
ethnic
disparities
that
that
are
troubling
to
say,
the
very
least
and-
and
some
would
say,
are-
are
to
be
honest
with
civil
rights.
Again
this
portion
by
commending
clark,
county's
department
of
juvenile
justice
services.
R
They
have
consistently
prepared
reports
that
tell
the
ugly
truth-
and
I
do
think
that
it's
commendable
to
put
that
data
to
paper
instead
of
camouflaging
it
or
trying
to
hide
it,
and
I
also
want
to
salute
our
allies
to
the
north,
especially
the
comrades,
in
washoe.
This
is
a
state
issue.
They've
been
stakeholders
in
it
throughout
and
making
sure
we
have
a
whole
state
approach
of
how
we
can
navigate
through
this.
R
Since
2013,
there
have
been
over
200
youth
directly
filed
into
the
adult
court
system
in
clark,
county
and
90
of
them.
To
be
honest,
are
kids
of
color
black
youth
who
have
routinely
hovered
around
10
percent
of
the
youth
population
in
clark
county.
R
They
make
up
the
undeniable
majority
of
the
of
the
direct
files,
for
instance,
of
the
219
total
file
since
the
the
report
of
2013
131
of
those
are
black
youth,
combined
with
68
of
the
219
being
latinx
youth
that'll,
make
199
of
219
of
the
the
uses
of
direct
file
falling
into
youth
of
color
direct
files.
Real
time
is
during
our
election
work.
This
year
we
came
in
contact
with
a
family.
R
A
14
year
old
was
was
charged
with
murder
and
direct
filed
into
the
adult
court
system
in
meeting
and
spending
time
and
getting
relationship
with
his
mother.
It
was
three
youth
who
were
friends
that
firearm
accidentally
went
off
and
the
gentleman
who
lost
his
life,
his
father,
had
made
acknowledgement
of
that
immediately
on
social
media
and
to
the
appropriate
authorities
beget
that
14
year
old
is
dealing
with
the
reality
of
being
charged
with
murder
and
being
housed
in
clark
county
detention
center.
R
The
report
showed
that
all
41
of
the
youth
filed
into
the
adult
system,
that
ins
to
direct
filing
to
the
adult
system
that
year
were
youth
of
color
again
of
the
41
27,
were
black
youth
and,
at
this
point
in
in
2017,
the
youth
black
youth
made
up
in
the
whole
of
clark,
county's
population
right
around
nine
percent.
So,
needless
to
say,
I
I
I
just
get
got
invested
in
to
the
information
what
we
can
do
to
change.
R
This
has
been
a
collective
effort
and
I'm
proud
and
honored
to
be
have
have
been
in
these
workspaces
and
and
to
be
considered
a
stakeholder,
but
I
know
truthfully
that
I'm
a
stakeholder
by
product
of
these
mothers
who
are
and
grandmothers
and
parents
who
are
enduring
this
personally,
I
do
want
to
admit
in
2017
when
it
did
become
an
issue
myself
and
mass
liberation
project
lead
organizer,
leslie
turner.
We
were
able
to
acquire
a
meeting
with
the
district
attorney's
office.
R
We
wanted
to
dig
into
the
direct
files
we
had.
We
wanted
to
know
kids
literacy
level
were
the
children
in
foster
care.
Did
they
commit
their
crimes
with
adult
co-defendants?
You
know
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
should
go
into
place
and
to
be
fully
transparent.
None
of
that
stuff
was
available
record
record.
Keeping
was
almost
prehistoric
at
that
stage.
I
know
it
has
taken
on
some
strides
in
the
right
direction,
but
even
the
arresting
agency.
I
think
all
those
play
a
part.
R
So
we
wanted
that
information
and
again
it
wasn't
able
to
be
made
available.
In
conclusion,
I'll
just
say
that
what
what's
most
alarming
to
me
today,
march
of
2021,
is
that
dating
back
to
2012
clark
county
personally
had
never
direct
filed
a
girl.
A
young
girl
had
never
been
thrust
into
the
adult
court
system
and,
to
be
honest,
over
the
last
two
reports,
there
have
been
12
young
girls
now
thrust
into
that
adult
court
system.
R
I'm
not
trying
to
say
girls
are
more
precious
than
the
boys,
but
if
they
don't
kind
of
sit
wrong
with
you,
I
think
there
are
other
issues
at
the
table.
So
again,
I
don't
want
folks
to
think
that
all
these
kids
are
murderers
and
a
a
lot
of
other
stipulations
fall
into
place.
With
a
kid
falling
into
that
adult
court
system,
and
if
it
goes
without
saying
that
it's
time
for
us
to
end
the
practice,
I'll
say
that
much
of
surrender
back
to
you
chair.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
P
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
yeager,
and
it's
assemblyman
c.h
miller,
for
the
record.
The
intent
and
goal
of
this
bill
is
to
eliminate
direct
filing
period.
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
is
my
ultimate
goal
and
I
am
fully
committed
to
it
hard
stop
to
accomplish
that
goal.
P
P
We
need
to
close
those
gaps,
so
our
children
can
live,
grow
and
prosper
in
a
nevada
where
all
children
are
able
to
remain
children.
Chair
at
this
time.
I
would
like
to
turn
the
remainder
of
the
presentation
over
to
bridget
duffy
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office,
who
will
present
on
the
the
clark
county
of
the
da's
amendment.
She
will
be
followed
by
holly
wilborne,
who
will
present
the
acl
submitted
amendment,
and
then
we
will
close
out
with
mr
frankie
guzman,
and
then
we
will
be
ready
for
questions.
Thank
you.
S
Good
morning,
sherry,
yeager
and
members
of
the
assembly
committee,
I
am
bridget
duffy
spelled
b-r-I-g-I-d
d-u-f-f-y.
I
am
the
chief
of
the
juvenile
division
for
the
clark
county
da's
office.
Although
oftentimes
I
go
back
into
juvenile
detention
and
children
want
to
talk
to
me,
and
I
tell
them,
I'm
not
their
public
defender.
S
I
think
assemblyman
miller,
just
bounced
me
over
to
the
public
defender's
office
in
my
in
my
introduction,
but
I
am
actually
the
chief
of
the
juvenile
division
for
the
district
attorney's
office
and
today,
I'm
appearing
on
behalf
of
the
clark
county
district
attorney's
office.
I'd
like
to
start
my
presentation
by
walking
you
through
the
amendments
that
have
been
considered
friendly
and
are
available
on
nellis
in
section
one.
We
are
asking
to
restore
the
original
language
to
statute.
S
S
S
Subsection
c
is
an
offense
or
an
attempted
offense
involving
the
use
or
threatened
use
of
a
firearm
so
most
commonly
in
clark
county.
These
are
offenses
which
involved
armed
robberies
and
that
child
would
have
been
16
to
17
years
of
age
and
would
also
have
been
had
a
prior
adjudication
of
a
felony
or
a
prior
felony
conviction
on
their
record.
S
So
the
district
attorney's
office
is
supportive
by
policy
of
striking
bnc,
and
I
will
get
into
that
more
of
my
support
testimony.
We
are
asking
to
restore
section
three
to
its
original
language.
S
We
are
asking
to
remain
section
four,
which
would
be
the
removal
of
all
presumptive
certifications,
so
a
presumptive
certification
for
16
and
17
year
olds,
for
those
who
do
not
practice
in
the
legal
field
would
be.
The
court
would
go
into
the
argument,
presuming
that
he
needs
or
she
needs
to
send
this
child
to
the
adult
system,
and
then
the
child
would
show
the
burden
of
why
they
should
not
go.
S
We
are
asking
to
have
that
remain
out
of
statute
and
allow
all
certifications
to
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
court
section
5.
We
would
restore
to
the
original
language
in
section
6.
We
would
restore
to
the
original
statutory
language.
Those
restorations
in
sections,
1,
3,
5
and
6
are
just
references
back
to
62
b
330,
because
that
section
would
not
be
stricken
in
its
entirety.
S
So
I
thank
assemblyman
miller
for
reaching
out
early
very
early
in
this
process.
To
start
this
conversation,
because
this
was
not
a
conversation,
you
could
have
with
a
bill
drop
in
20
24
hours
to
a
hearing.
This
involved
a
lot
of
conversations
around
a
very
important
and
significant
piece
of
legislation,
and
there
is
no
mistake
that
I
am
a
prosecutor
by
title
that
I
am
charged
with
public
safety.
S
My
family
wasn't
thrilled
about
my
choice
of
profession
at
first.
I
think
it
was
something
about
them
being
afraid
that
if
I
handled
too
many
child
abuse
and
neglect
cases,
my
soul
was
going
to
break,
but
instead
it
actually
gave
me
the
strength
to
look
at
the
system,
which
I
am
an
important
important
part
of
and
ensure
better
stronger
lives
for
all
children,
no
matter
the
trauma
or
circumstances
that
are
out
often
out
of
their
control
and
that
they
just
find
themselves
in
in
2012.
S
The
district
attorney
steve
wilson
in
clark
county
honored
me
by
placing
me
in
a
position
to
run
the
entire
juvenile
division,
not
just
the
foster
care
section
of
that
division,
and
for
nine
years,
I've
supervised
a
team
of
district
attorneys
that
prosecute
juvenile
delinquency,
which
is
prosecution
of
children,
and
that
is
what
brings
me
to
the
table.
Today.
S
S
What
this
amendment
ab230
will
require
is
only
that
now
prosecutors
must
choose
to
file
a
motion
to
certify
those
children
as
adults
for
those
crimes
and
therefore
allowing
those
16
to
17
year
olds,
who
have
had
prior
felony
adjudications
again
easily
thought
of
as
prior
a
felony
record
that
might
help
they
have
a
felony
record.
S
I
would
like
to
just
clarify
some
comments
by
my
friend,
mr
chambers,
who
I
adore
and
I've
enjoyed
working
with
over
the
past
years
on
juvenile
justice
reform
a
14
year
olds.
We
we
cannot
direct
file
14
year
olds
to
the
direct
to
the
adult
system.
We
have
not
been
able
to
do
so.
I
believe
it
was
a
2013
legislative
session
and
went
into
effect
in
2015.,
so
that
14
year
old
would
have
been
a
certification,
not
a
direct
file.
S
I'm
not
sure
how
old
that
case
is,
but
we
have
not
been
able.
We
do
not
direct
file
14
year
olds.
They
go
through
the
court
and
is
the
court's.
Discretion
is
a
discretionary
one.
As
to
the
12
girls,
I
do
not
have
a
direct
file
on
it
on
a
female.
Those
would
have
also
all
been
certifications
to
my
knowledge
and
I
run
the
division
that
that
would
have
gone
before
a
juvenile
judge
prior
to
going
before
into
the
adult
system.
So
they
would
have
that
opportunity.
A
A
Is
it
reserves
a
few
categories
of
offenses
that
can
still
be
direct
filed
into
the
adult
system,
but
the
remainder
of
those
offenses
would
have
to
go
through
the
court
process
for
certification,
where
a
judge
would
make
the
call.
Could
you
just
confirm
that
that's
correct
in
terms
of
my
understanding
of
the
amendment.
S
S
It
would
remain
what
I
refer
to
as
a
parkland
or
a
columbine
type
event,
which
would
be
a
mass
casualty
situation
or
an
attempt
at
a
mass
casualty
situation
on
school
property,
and
then
it
also
maintains
what
we
call
gaff
cases
or
those
children
that
we
cannot
that
are
now
adults,
so
they
commit
offenses
at
16
or
17.
and
we
do
not
have
have
them
identified
or
in
custody
until
20
years,
three
months
or
21
years
of
age
and
remember,
we
use
lose
jurisdiction
in
juvenile
court
at
21.
So
there's
not
much.
S
We
can
do
rehabilitatively
there,
so
it's
it
preserves
three
sections
and
the
the
importance
of
that-
and
I'm
sure
I've
got
questions
about
it
is-
is
that
infrastructure
portion
that
assemblyman
miller
spoke
about.
Our
jurisdiction
only
goes
to
21
and
we
only
have
one
locked
juvenile
facility
and
our
facilities
are
only
designed
to
be
six
months
length
this
day
on
average.
A
S
So
I
I
did
the
numbers
the
best
I
could
based
upon
our
statistics,
and
mr
chambers
had
alluded
to
it.
We
do
not
have
a
case
management
system
in
the
juvenile
division,
so
these
are
all
hand
kept,
and
so,
when
I
give
them
to
you,
you
can
probably
figure,
maybe
plus
or
plus
two
three
minus
one,
two
three.
So
they
are
the
best
stats
that
I
have
kept
since
2017,
and
this
will
impact
about
60
of
the
direct
files
or
approximately
25
kids
a
year.
S
I
did
the
stats
over
four
years,
so
on
average
it's
40
on
average
it's
40
children
a
year
that
are
direct
filed.
We
had
a
spike
in
2018
of
51
kids.
We
had
a
deep
decline
in
2020
to
34
kids,
so
on
average
I'm
saying
40,
kids
and
this
will
impact
60
percent
to
remain
in
the
juvenile
system.
For
a
certification
hearing
with
approximately
25
kids
a
year.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
holly
well-born
policy,
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
this
morning.
I
will
be
as
quick
as
possible,
but
for
several
of
you
that
have
been
around
for
for
a
while,
since
at
least
my
time
with
this
organization,
I've
been
working
on
this
issue
since
day,
one
and
it's
it's
getting
exhausting,
it
really
is,
but
we
move
forward.
C
We
take
each
step,
and
yesterday
we
had
a
stakeholders
meeting
with
ms
duffy
and
the
community
advocates,
who
have
been
pushing
for
this
legislation
and
came
to
the
conclusion
that
the
the
infrastructure
needs
bind
our
hands
and
being
able
to
move
forward
with
a
full,
a
repeal
of
direct
file.
So
this
amendment,
it's
quite
simple.
It
allows
us
to
carry
on
this
conversation.
It
allows
us
to
utilize
the
interim
committee
on
child
welfare
and
juvenile
justice.
That
is
a
committee
where
we
can
continue
the
conversation
on
a
wide
range
of
different
juvenile
justice
issues.
C
There's
at
least
one
member
of
this
committee
who
sits
on
that
interim
commission
assemblywoman
hanson.
She
did
an
incredible
job,
but
that
is
a
space
where
we
can
take
time
to
really
understand
what
these
infrastructure
needs
are,
what
the
costs
are
that
are
associated
with
bringing
juvenile
facilities
up
to
par
with,
in
a
way
that
actually
positively
impacts
youth.
C
It
would
just
be
a
very
simple
amendment
that
would
add
an
additional
section
to
this
bill
that
that
requires
the
interim
committee
on
child
welfare
and
juvenile
justice
to
conduct
this
study,
and
it
would
allow
us,
as
community
advocates
as
impacted
individuals,
to
bring
in
experts
to
talk
about
ways
that
we
can
improve
systems
in
our
state.
So
we
can
keep
moving
in
the
direction
of
ending
direct
file
once
and
for
all.
So
I
mean
that's
my
very
simple
presentation,
but
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
folks
might
have.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Miss
welborn,
appreciate
that
I
think
our
last
presenter
to
close
us
out
on
the
presentation
was
mr
guzman,
who
I
believe
is
with
us
on
the
zoom.
So
welcome
to
the
committee,
sir,
and
please
go
ahead.
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
share
my
remarks
with
you
today.
My
name
is
frankie
guzman,
I'm
an
attorney
at
the
national
center
for
youth
law,
where
I
lead.
A
team
of
attorneys
and
policy
advocates
working
to
transform
the
youth
justice
systems
in
california,
colorado
and
nevada.
T
We
partner
with
state
and
local
leaders
to
shift
policies
and
practices
and
investments
away
from
outdated
punitive
models
of
justice
towards
evidence-based
health-focused
approaches
to
effect
proven
effectiveness
at
improving
youth
outcomes
and
public
safety,
while
also
reducing
recidivism
and
unnecessary
incarceration
costs
to
the
state.
I
strongly
support.
Ab230.
T
Extensive
scientific
research
shows
that
children
are
less
culpable
for
their
actions
and
have
tremendous
capacity
to
learn
and
to
grow
a
capacity
that
is
wasted
when
youths
are
sent
off
to
adult
prisons.
The
research
also
shows
that
young
people
handled
in
the
juvenile
system
are
more
likely
to
thrive,
while
those
sent
to
the
adult
system
are
more
likely
to
commit
new
crimes
and
new
victims.
T
If
passed,
this
bill
will
improve
public
safety
by
allowing
more
opportunities
for
nevada
youth
to
receive
treatment
in
the
juvenile
system,
while
ensuring
that
the
state
does
not
overly
rely
on
the
adult
prison
system
for
children
who
do
not
belong
there.
Ab230
if
passed,
would
make
important
changes
to
nevada
law
by
limiting
prosecutors
authority
to
directly
file
charges
against
children
in
adult
court
in
only
the
most
serious
cases.
T
This
issue
is
deeply
personal
to
me
as
an
attorney.
My
my
work
focuses
on
reducing
the
harmful
practice
of
prosecuting
use
in
the
adult
criminal
justice
system.
Youth
sentence
in
the
adult
system
often
receive
very
lengthy
prison
sentences
and
get
little
to
no
education
or
rehabilitative
services.
I
advocate
for
youth
to
get
developmentally
appropriate
treatment
offered
in
the
juvenile
system,
because
without
it
they
are
more
likely
to
fail.
I
know
this
personally
when
I
was
15
years
old,
a
friend
and
I
robbed
the
liquor
store
armed
with
handguns.
T
We
were
arrested
and
received
transfer
hearings
in
the
juvenile
court,
where
a
judge
decided
whether
we
should
be
transferred
to
the
adult
system.
After
a
hearing,
a
judge
decided
that
I
should
be
kept
in
the
juvenile
system,
where
I
ultimately
served
six
years
in
the
state's
division
of
juvenile
justice.
T
There
I
received
education
and
treatment
that
I
needed
when
I
was
released.
I
went
off
to
college
I
thrived
later
in
life
in
part,
because
I
had
a
chance
to
be
in
the
juvenile
system.
My
friend,
however,
was
not
so
lucky.
He
was
removed
from
the
juvenile
system
and
sent
to
adult
criminal
court.
He
entered
adult
prison
and
his
life
spiraled
down
from
there.
He
did
not
get
the
rehabilitative
opportunities
that
I
received.
I
don't
know
how
much
we
both
needed
direction
and
help.
I
got
it
and
he
didn't.
T
This
issue
is
also
important
to
me
for
professional
unethical
reasons.
As
an
attorney,
my
work
focuses
on
reform
laws
that
impact
youth
charged
with
serious
offenses
in
partnership
with
elected
officials,
system,
administrators,
local
courts
and
community
stakeholders
by
improving
data
collection
and
analysis,
to
better
understand
the
impact
that
criminal
laws
have
on
youth,
raising
public
awareness
of
the
harms
of
youth,
incarceration,
improving
state
and
local
policies
and
investments
to
create
effective
alternatives
to
incarceration
and
punishment
for
use
and
working
with
communities,
most
impacted
by
harsh
prosecutions
of
children
to
improve
justice
for
all.
T
As
such,
I
had
the
privilege
of
partnering
with
governor
california,
governor
jerry
brown
and
a
broad
coalition
of
system
and
community
stakeholders,
including
leaders
in
law
enforcement,
faith,
labor
and
justice
impacted
communities
of
color
to
pass
a
ballot
initiative
or
referendum
that
ended.
California's
direct
file
law
entirely.
The
california
electorate
passed
that
measure
by
65
in
support.
T
In
order
to
achieve
that
victory,
we
led
a
campaign
rooted
in
lived
experience,
data
and
scientific
research,
notably
our
data
and
research
on
direct
file
practices
in
california
demonstrated
that
prosecutors
use
direct
file
despite
plummeting
youth
crime.
Eighty
percent
of
youth
prosecuted
in
the
adult
system
were
placed
there
by
by
prosecutorial
direct
file.
Despite
a
55
drop
in
youth,
felony
arrest
rates,
district
attorneys
reported
23,
more
direct
filings
per
capita
in
2014
than
they
did
in
2003..
T
T
We
found
that,
in
addition
to
race,
the
county
in
which
the
youth
was
arrested
was
a
greater
indicator
of
whether
a
youth
would
be
direct
filed
than
was
the
severity
of
the
offense.
For
example,
uber
and
san
diego
counties
reported
identical
rates
of
youth
arrest
for
serious
offenses,
but
youth
living
in
yuba
county
were
35
34
times
more
likely
to
be
direct
filed
in
adult
court
than
youth
in
san
diego.
T
Meanwhile,
scientific
research
clearly
demonstrates
that
young
people,
charged
with
serious
offenses,
can
learn
from
their
mistakes
and
grow
to
become
responsible
adults.
If,
given
the
opportunity,
for
example,
studies
published
by
the
federal
doj
office
of
juvenile
justice
and
delinquency,
prevention
have
shown
that
94
percent
of
all
youth
who
commit
crimes,
that's
94
of
youth
who
commit
crimes
even
the
most
serious
crimes,
like
murder,
will
age
out
of
criminality
by
age,
25,
corresponding
with
adolescent
brain
development
at
research
and
maturation.
T
Ultimately,
california
completely
abolished
prosecutorial
direct
file
in
all
children's
cases.
Five
years
ago,
today,
california
continues
to
experience
declining
juvenile
crime
and
arrest
rates
reaching
historic
lows.
So,
while
many
argued
that
direct
file
was
necessary
to
keep
communities
safe
and
that
without
it,
crime
and
victimization
would
increase
that
never
happened.
T
Alternatively,
I'm
also
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
if
I
had
been
prosecuted
under
direct
file
laws,
I
would
likely
have
been
directly
filed
in
adult
court
and
sentenced
to
serve
decades
in
prison.
In
short,
I
would
not
be
sitting
with
before
you
today.
In
conclusion,
I
would
like
to
impress
upon
all
of
you
the
sad
reality.
T
All
kids
make
mistakes.
Some
kids
commit
serious
crimes.
However,
research
has
clearly
shown
that,
depending
on
the
race
of
the
child
and
the
jurisdiction
where
they
are
prosecuted,
some
youth
will
receive
the
opportunity
to
learn
from
their
mistakes
in
the
juvenile
system,
while
others
will
pay
with
their
lives
in
prison.
The
practice
of
direct
file
and
its
stark
racial
and
ethnic
disparities
highlights
the
need
for
more
appropriate,
effective
and
humane
treatment
of
youth
returning
greater
decision-making
power
to
judges,
about
which
youth
should
remain.
T
A
C
Thank
you.
Sharon,
thank
you,
mr
miller,
and
to
all
the
presenters
for
a
very
informative,
an
important
presentation.
My
my
question,
I
think,
is
best
answered
by
miss
duffy.
C
So
I
have
a
question
about
in
nrs
62b
330,
which
is
section
two
of
the
bill
and
my
question's
about
the
language,
we're
putting
back
that.
Your
that
your
amendment
puts
back
in
throughout
that
section,
there's
reference
to
related
offense
and
it.
C
If
I'm
reading
it
correctly,
it's
saying
so,
for
instance,
in
nrs62b.330
sub
three
three
a
it
says
for
the
probably
easiest,
if
I
just
read
it
for
the
purposes
of
this
section,
each
of
the
following
acts
shall
be
deemed
not
to
be
a
delinquent
act
and
the
juvenile
court
does
not
have
jurisdiction
over
a
person
who
is
charged
with
committing
such
acts
and
then
a
is
murder
or
attempted
murder
and
any
other
related
offenses
arising
out
of
the
same
facts
as
the
murderer:
attempted
murder,
etc.
It
goes
on
from
there.
C
So
my
question
is:
if
there's
a
murder
or
attempted
murder,
but
that
that
charge
doesn't
go
forward,
can
does
the
direct
filing
still
happen
on
the
related
offense?
Without
the
murderer,
attempted
murder
in
play.
S
Bridget
duffley
for
the
record,
assemblywoman
cohen.
Yes,
they
those
lesser
included,
charges
potentially
or
other
charges.
So
if
it's
a
murder
that
resulted
from
a
robbery
that
that
would
that
could
still
go
forward
in
the
adult
system
and
then
any
of
the
other
charges
that
may
be
there
that
all
happened
from
the
same
event
right.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
First
I
want
to
say
mr
guzman,
thank
you
for
sharing
your
story
of
how
the
system
worked
for
you
and
didn't
work
for
someone
else.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I
believe
ms
duffy
answered
my
question
on
certification,
so
this
should
be
a
short
question.
Instead
of
a
long
one,
maybe
miss
debbie
can
answer
it
or
the
assemblyman
senator
miller
of
the
senator
miller.
E
You
said
147
cases
were
tried
as
adults
in
the
last
few
years
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
how
many
of
those
were
repeat,
violent
offenders
or
getting
affiliated.
P
Thank
you,
assemblyman
wheeler,
for
this
is
for
the
question.
This
is
c.h
miller
for
assemblyman
miller
for
the
record.
I
do
not
know
the
specific
details
of
those
cases
if
miss
duffy
or
one
of
the
actual
public
defenders.
If
someone
else
on
the
call
does
know,
please
provide
that
information.
If
not,
I'm
sure
we
can
maybe
look
into
it.
S
E
S
So
bridget
duffy
for
the
records,
some
women
wheeler.
What
I
can
what
I
can
tell
you
is:
I
enjoy
my
presentation
to
the
interim
committee.
I
did
drill
down
on
some
numbers
with
regard
to
the
direct
file
cases.
S
I
get
to
do
it
myself
to
find
out
what
prior
services
those
juveniles
had
had,
how
many
prior
cases
how
many
chances
have
probation
if
they've
been
to
our
facilities
in
the
juvenile
system
before
even
being
direct
filed.
So
we
have
to
remember
in
direct
file.
The
juvenile
court
does
not
have
jurisdiction.
The
prosecutors
don't
decide.
If
we
direct
file
like
it
is
it
is.
We
do
not
have
jurisdiction,
so
I
drilled
down
on
those
numbers-
and
I
do
have
some
information,
but
I
don't
have
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
S
I
shared
it
with
the
interim
committee
and,
I
think,
assembling
the
miller
might
have
my
little
colored
chart,
but
I
also
want
to
say
that
if
to
assemblywoman
cohen's
question,
if
I
may
terry
yeager
just
a
point
of
clarification,
if
the
case
goes
to
the
criminal
division
on
a
murder
and
attempt
murder-
and
they
decide
not
to
file
the
attack,
murder
or
the
murder,
it
would
come
back
to
juvenile.
S
It
would
only
be
if
it
went
to
trial
or
it
was
negotiated
that
it
would
stay
in
criminal
on
the
lesser
charges
if
the
other
ones
were
did
not
were
not
found
to
be.
He
was
not
he
or
she
was
not
guilty
on
before
they
were
negotiated,
but
if
criminal
gets
the
screening-
and
they
say
this
is
not
attempt-
murder
everything
comes
back
to
juvenile.
We
do
that.
We
have
had
that
situation
years
ago.
S
E
I
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
gonzalez
for
the
record.
I
just
had
a
question
under
section.
I
I
think
it's
I
don't
know
what
section,
but
it's
page
five
of
the
bill
when
it
says
the
child
may
petition
for
transfer
of
the
case
back
to
the
juvenile
court
upon
showing
upon
a
showing
of
except
exceptional
circumstances.
I
S
P
Miss
jones,
or
we
have
christina,
will
devil
on
the
call.
Is
this
a
question
that
you
can
answer?
This
is
a
question.
B
I
can
answer.
Thank
you.
So
the
process
goes
like
this.
The
court
does
not
certify
if
the
court
finds
by
clear
and
convincing
evidence
of
the
existence.
B
I'm
sorry
chairman
yeager,
thank
you,
christina
wildeveld
k-r-I-s-t-I-n-a
will
develop
w-I-l-d-e-e-l-d
the
record.
I
want
to
explain
the
process
a
little
bit.
The
court
does
not
certify
if
the
court
finds
by
clear
and
convincing
evidence
the
existence
of
a
substance,
abuse,
issue,
emotional
issue,
behavioral
problem
and
problems
that
are
appropriately
treated
in
the
juvenile
system.
The
way
this
typically
works
in
clark
county
is
when
the
state
moves
for
certification.
B
The
child
is
then
referred
to
a
mental
health
professional
for
an
examination
to
see
if
there
are
any
of
these
problems
and
then
to
see
what
exactly
this
specific
child
is
dealing
with.
For
instance,
a
lot
of
children
are
witnesses
of
domestic
violence
or
their
parents
recently
split
up
and
they're
acting
out
as
a
result
of
that,
those
findings
are
unique
to
each
child
and
it
goes
back
to
then
the
the
court
to
determine
whether
or
not
those
are
exceptional
circumstances
to
keep
the
child
in
the
juvenile
system.
B
B
The
the
the
state
and
the
court
and
probation
and
everyone
reads
through
it
and
determines
whether
or
not
they
should
retract
that
certification
that
petition
that
they
filed
or
they
should
let
it
go
forward,
and
that's
why
I
feel
that
every
child
deserves
that
unique,
look
and
that's
that
second
book
and
that
no
child
should
be
direct
filed
and
instead,
each
child
should
be
taken
on
a
case-by-case
basis
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
belong
in
the
adult
system.
I
hope
that
answered
your
question.
I
You
so
much
sure
I
just
have
a
quick
follow-up.
If
I
may
go
ahead
assembly
woman,
gonzales
district
16
for
the
record,
I
apologize.
I
don't
think
I
said
that
with
my
first
question.
So
I'm
just
curious.
So
if
the
court
finds
that
you
know
the
child
has
experienced
all
these,
you
know
hardships
what
resources
are
being
offered
to
the
child
and
if
the
court
still
has
this
background
information
and
they
still
make
the
termination
to
go
forward
with
the
certification
process,
what
do
those
resources
look
like
going
forward?
Thank
you.
S
So
bridget
duffy
for
the
record,
I
will
talk.
I
can
talk
about
what
we
have
available
in
the
juvenile
system
and
then
you
know
what,
where
we
get
exhausted
on
our
children,
who
could
commit
kind
of
higher
level
offenses?
So
we
have
probationary
services,
we
have
we.
We
have
trauma
informed
services
such
as
counseling
anger
management.
We
have.
We
have
juvenile
camps,
both
north
and
south.
S
We
have
spring
mountain
youth,
camp
and
china
springs
youth
camp,
china,
spring
surfs,
girls
as
well,
and
those
programs,
though,
are
program
they're.
Well,
those
those
facilities
are
programmatic
based,
so
average
length
of
stay
is
six
months.
They
do.
They
have
education
there.
So,
in
spring,
mountain
youth
camp,
which
I
am
most
familiar
with,
we
have
this
clark
county
school
district.
Is
there
so
we
have
spring
mountain
high
school.
S
They
have
culinary
program,
they
have
a
forestry
program,
so
they
have
all
of
those
type
of
they
like
a
boot
camp
type
programs
where
they're
actually
sometimes
earning
money,
helping
step
them
back
into
the
community
with
jobs.
S
And
then
we
have
our
state
facilities,
which
is
summit,
view
caliente
and
nytc
nevada,
youth
training,
center,
caliente
and
nytc
our
open
air
camp
type
facilities
again
programmatic
base.
They
could
be
there
for
any.
You
know
six
months
is
average
work
the
program
get
out.
We
have
you,
know
sex
offender
counseling
in
there
again,
education
programs
and.
S
Technical
programs,
like
culinary
and
then
summit
view,
which
is
our
only
lock
facility,
has
about,
I
think,
about
40
beds
right
now,
and
then
that
is
in
north
las
vegas
and
again
programmatic
based
up
to
six
months.
So
that
is
what
the
juvenile
system
can
offer.
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
services
in
our
community.
S
We
have
officers
that
engage
with
children
that
are
trained
to
deal
with
children.
So
at
least
again,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
clark-
and
I
I
do
have
a
lot
of
contact
with
the
rest
of
the
state,
but
our
I
know
our
officers
are
very
engaged
with
children
and
families
and
understanding
child
development
and
working
with
them
when
they,
when
a
child
goes
to
the
adult
system.
S
We
do
have
a
little
bit
of
a
void
right
because
adult
probation
and
parole
officers
aren't
used
to
dealing
with
children.
So
we
are
often
I
am
often
been
contacted,
especially
with
our
harbor
program,
from
some
adult
probation
officers
looking
for
services
for
children
that
have
been
sentenced
to
probation
in
the
adult
court.
So
so
we
so
that's
where
that,
then
we
have
lovelock.
S
I
believe
is
where
they
are
now
sending
any
any
child
that
is
important,
send
out
as
well
that
talks
about
the
outcomes
of
kids
that
are
direct
filed,
so
those
kids
that
are
direct
filed
that
are
getting
probation
or
boot
camp
or
are
sentenced
to
prison.
So
I
have
those
statistics
as
well,
so
you
can
see
them.
S
I
A
A
And
I'm
sorry,
my
video
screen
is
a
little
slow
in
showing
me
all
of
your
faces.
So
if
you
have
a
question,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
on
muting
and
asking
it
because
I
can't
see
all
of
you
at
the
moment.
I
I
have
a
question
to
just
follow
up
on
the
information
that
was
shared
assembly,
woman,
gonzales
district
16.,
I'm
curious
in
terms
of
resources
like
what
their
their
therapy
counseling.
You
know.
You
said
a
lot
of
programming
like
culinary
and
education
and
things
like
that.
But
if
a
child
is
experiencing
harm
in
the
home
or
witnessing
domestic
violence,
what
kind
of
psychological
help
is
being
offered
to
them?.
S
Bridget
duffy
for
the
record,
assemblywoman
gonzalez,
we
have
the
department
of
juvenile
justice
services,
has
a
clinical
team,
so
that
would
be
our
probation
department
run
by
clark
county.
They
often
times
we
have
full
clinical
assessments
for
on
children
to
determine
what
what
their
needed
services
are,
and
then
we
have
referral
sources
in
the
community.
S
We
have
specific
counseling
to
address
all
kinds
of
trauma
that
a
child
can
endure
for
our
sex
trafficking
victims
that
may
come
in
on
offenses.
We
have
specific
programs
that
that
work
with
them
and
mentor
them
through
their
needs
and
their
very
complex
trauma.
So
there
is
a
clinical
team
that
would
determine
and
we
do
have
resources
in
the
community
to
refer
to.
H
Kelly
jones
from
the
clark
county
public
defenders,
office,
juvenile
division,
also
just
to
add
on
to
what
ms
duffy
mentioned.
There
is
also
a
an
assigned
psychiatrist
to
the
spring
mountain
youth
camp.
There
are
also
psychiatrists
that
work
from
the
community
to
help
juveniles
in
with
different
issues.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
we
in
the
interest
of
time
we're
going
to
have
to
move
on.
So
I
would
encourage
members
if
you
do
have
questions
that
you
were
not
able
to
ask
today
to
follow
up
with
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
at
some
point-
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
assemblyman
miller
and
all
of
your
co-presenters
who
presented
here
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
sit
tight
as
we
take
some
testimony
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
for
some
concluding
remarks.
A
Given
that
time,
we're
at
I'm
probably
going
to
only
be
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
take
about
15
minutes
of
testimony
and
support
opposition
and
then
we'll
see
if
there's
some
neutral.
So
I
want
to
start
with
a
supportive
testimony.
A
B
Thank
you
good
morning,
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
the
hard-working
assembly
judiciary
committee.
My
name
is
christina
wildeveld
and
I
am
testifying
as
a
private
criminal
defense
attorney.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
miller
for
and
kelly
jones
for
bringing
forth
ab230.
This
piece
of
legislation
should
be
important
to
all
of
us.
B
The
proposed
amendment
does
not
guarantee
that
a
child
facing
charges
of
murder
or
attempt
murder
would
remain
in
the
juvenile
system,
but
instead
it
only
guarantees
a
hearing
before
a
juvenile
judge
to
determine
if
that
specific
child
should
remain
in
the
juvenile
system
or
the
juvenile
court.
If
you
are
under
over
16
years
old
of
age,
what
I'm
proposing
is
that
every
child
get
that
certification
clinical
examination
that
we
had
discussed
the
proposed
option
of
eliminating
presumptive
certification,
but
still
allowing
direct
file
for
certain
charges
is
flawed.
B
There
are
plenty
of
imaginable
circumstances
where
a
kid
who
is
committed,
a
specific
crime
should
remain
in
the
juvenile
system.
Despite
the
charges,
it
is
not
a
solution
even
for
a
limited
population
of
kids.
Furthermore,
prohibiting
retroactive
application
would
adversely
affect
those
children
who
are
currently
lingering
in
adult
prison
or
awaiting
trial.
B
In
adult
court,
who
should
otherwise
go
have
gone
before
a
juvenile
judge
to
make
a
determination
if
they
belong
in
the
adult
prison
in
the
first
place,
because
there
are
extenuating
circumstances
in
those
cases
we
believe
much
like
the
military
in
the
concept
of
leaving.
No
man
behind
the
amendment
will
only
affect
kids
going
forward,
but
leave
those
who
currently
suffer
under
the
present
laws.
Without
remedy
it
is
not
sufficient.
B
B
The
bill
in
front
of
you
assembly,
bill
230,
eliminates
presumptive
certification
with
the
amendment
but
still
makes
those
facing
murder
charges
be
directly
filed
into
the
adult
court.
There
is
scientifically
very
little
difference
between
a
15
year
old
and
a
16
year
old.
Therefore,
if
a
juvenile
finds
himself
in
a
situation
the
day
after
their
16th
birthday
or
having
committed
a
certain
offense,
they
will
lose
that
protection
of
going
before
a
juvenile
judge.
B
The
group
of
kids
this
bill
would
apply
to
committed
crimes,
but
they
were
committed
as
juveniles,
and
this
bill
must
give
them
a
chance
at
being
kept
in
the
juvenile
system.
It's
not
a
guarantee.
It's
allowing
that
clinician
to
put
forth
their
exceptional
circumstances
for
each
individual
child
and
make
that
determination
if
they
could
be
rehabilitated
in
the
juvenile
system
or
in
fact
they
need
to
go
to
the
adult
court
to
face
the
charges
that
they're
facing.
B
As
somebody
with
extensive
experience
working
in
the
juvenile
justice
system,
I
can
attest
to
the
fact
that
our
system
still
needs
improvements.
We
encounter
kids
in
the
juvenile
system
that
are
often
experiencing
great
crisis
in
their
life,
not
only
because
they're
dealing
with
ordinary
juvenile
issues,
but
also
issues
that
include
homelessness,
substance,
abuse
and
undiagnosed.
B
B
You
and
I
will
leave
it
with
that
and
I
urge
you
to
support
ab230
without
the
amendments.
Thank
you.
A
I
guess
I
want
to
be
clear
on
your
testimony.
The
the
bill
was
presented
with
two
amendments
that
are
considered
friendly
amendments.
So
are
you
opposed
to
the
way
that
the
bill
was
presented
because
it
seems
like
you
want
the
bill
as
drafted,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
way
it
was
presented
today.
So
I
want
to
be
clear
on
the
record
what
your
position
is.
B
A
A
Thank
you
we're
going
to
stay
on
the
zoom
in
testimony
and
support.
I
think
we
have
mr
jones
and
mr
pirro
with
us.
We'll
start
with
mr
piro.
Please.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
jaeger,
john
pure
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office,
also
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I'm
going
to
make
it
brief,
because
I
want
the
impacted
community
to
have
a
chance
to
testify
over
the
telephone.
Direct
file
harms
children.
This
bill
goes
in
a
long
measure
to
help
children
and
we
urge
you
to
pass
this
bill.
A
A
Mr
jones,
we're
having
that
audio
issue
with
you,
your
computer
again,
okay,
mr
jones,
gives
a
thumbs
up,
so
I
think
he
is
in
support
and
we'll
go
from
there.
Sorry
about
that,
mr
jones.
Is
there
anyone
else
on
the
zoom
who
is
in
support?
A
M
Thank
you
chair
to
testify
in
support
of
bill
ab230,
please
press
star,
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
we
will
begin
testimony
and
support
with
the
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
one
three
zero.
Please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin
good.
N
F
N
M
N
D-E-N-I-S-E-B-O-L-A-N-O-S-
and
I
am
a
member
of
return
strong
and
today
I
am
reading
a
statement
from
a
person
that
is
directly
impacted
that
could
not
be
here
today.
It
reads
as
follows:
my
name
is
shasta
and
I
have
a
loved
one
incarcerated
in
ndoc
and
I
also
have
a
child
incarcerated
in
another
state,
but
I
believe
our
story
is
relevant
to
what
is
happening
here
today
and
needs
to
be
told.
I'm
a
single
mother
with
two
wonderful
boys.
Nine
years
apart,
I
have
raised
my
children
with
compassion,
empathy,
communication
and
consequences
for
their
actions.
N
My
oldest
son
started
his
first
serious
relationship
at
16
years
old
and
at
first
it
went
well
within
a
few
months.
I
started
to
see
red
flags
and
I
tried
to
inform
him
that
if
this
wasn't
a
good
idea,
but
he
was
16,
I
wasn't
going
to
forbid
him
because
he
would
just
lash
out
and
want
the
relationship
even
more.
His
father
was
mostly
absent
during
this
during
his
life
and
at
this
time
he
was
deployed
in
afghanistan.
N
My
son's
relationship
continued
to
spiral
and
he
pulled
farther
and
farther
away
from
me
and
his
brothers
brother
wrapping
himself
in
the
relationship.
As
the
girl
became
more
controlling
and
manipulative,
he
wasn't
sleeping,
he
wasn't
eating,
he
started
skipping
school
and
I
was
done
with
it
and
then
I
came
home
from
work
one
day
and
he
attacked
me.
They
found
evidence
that
his
girlfriend
had
convinced
him
to
kill
me.
She
walked
him
through
step
by
step.
What
to
do.
They
were
both
arrested
and
given
separate
lawyers.
Both
of
them
were
facing
25
years.
N
If
tried
as
adults,
she
was
given
a
plea
deal
immediately
for
18
months
and
her
mother
was
able
to
be
with
her
every
step
of
the
way.
After
a
few
weeks,
my
son
was
given
a
plea
deal
for
assault
with
a
sentence
of
a
lot
longer
when
he,
when
he's
released,
he
would
be
a
felon
for
the
rest
of
his
life
all
before
he
can
buy
alcohol
or
even
vote.
I
was
unable
to
be
there
for
him
due
to
a
no
contact
order.
N
He
was
given
a
court-appointed
attorney
who
was
incredibly
overworked,
and
I
feel
she
pressured
him
into
a
plea
deal.
I'm
not
saying
my
son
should
not
have
gone
to
jail.
I
just
feel
he
shouldn't
have
been
charged
as
an
adult
and
there
should
have
been
someone
looking
out
for
him.
Our
brains
are
not
fully
developed
until
we're
25.
There
are
so
many
chemicals
and
hormones
coursing
through
our
brains
for
the
brain
to
fully
develop
and
it's
difficult
to
treat
minors
the
same
as
adults
when
they
are
not
functioning
with
the
same
tools
as
adults
are.
N
I
am
both
the
parent
and
the
victim
and
understand
the
plethora
of
layers
of
situations
like
this,
but
the
reality
is
that
children
are
children
and
they
do
not
belong
in
adult
system
that
are
not
prepared
to
deal
with
them
appropriately
and
they
certainly
do
not
belong
in
adult
prisons
and
at
the
at
the
point
we
as
a
society
choose
adult
prisons
and
systems.
We
stop
choosing
justice,
our
children
need
support
services
and
restorative
justice.
N
I
know
there
is
discussion
of
amending
this
bill
to
not
include
certain
crimes,
but
I
am
here
to
stand
in
support
of
ab230
as
it
is
now.
No
child,
under
any
circumstances,
should
be
direct
filed
into
adult
systems.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
miller,
for
com
for
sponsoring
this
bill.
It
is
bold,
it
is
courageous
and
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
again.
I
am
in
support
of
ab230.
M
M
D
D
This
process
is
the
is
the
continued
interpretation
of
the
school
to
prison
pipeline
and
we
are
in
extreme
support
of
this
bill
as
it's
an
important
step
in
correcting
the
juvenile
justice
system
that
we
are
at
right
now.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
I
will
submit
my
full
written
testimony
to
the
committee.
A
M
Thank
you,
chair,
we'll
now
move
on
to
the
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
499,
please
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself
say
your
name
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin.
N
An
impacted
family
member,
as
my
spouse
is
incarcerated
in
ndoc
and
he's
been
directly
impacted
by
what
we're
talking
about
today.
He
entered
the
juvenile
system
at
nine
years
old
for
crimes
that
he
committed.
Sorry
with
his
mother
that
were
part
of
her
addiction,
her
addiction
and
poverty
led
them
led
him
to
begin
committing
crimes
at
a
very
young
age,
crimes
that
were
deeply
rooted
in
survival
and
not
an
inherent
evil
on
his
part.
But
the
way
the
system
is
currently
designed,
the
underlying
issues
that
were
never
addressed
by
the
time
he
was
a
teenager.
N
He
made
some
poor
decisions,
which
happens
when
you
have
poor
choices
and
no
guidance,
but
that
decision
led
him
to
juvenile
life
in
california,
to
folsom,
to
nsp,
to
ely,
to
high
desert
to
southern
desert,
to
warm
springs,
to
ely
back
to
southern
desert,
and
then
he
came
home
for
10
months
and
now
is
back
in
prison.
This
journey
tells
nothing
of
who
he
is
as
a
human
being.
His
crimes
are
all
related
to
the
same
issues
that
are
connected
to
the
ptsd
and
trauma
that
he
endured
as
a
child.
N
N
I
remember
the
day
that
they
sent
me
to
prison,
and
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
say
this,
but
I
was
both
scared
and
excited
at
the
same
time,
because
I
was
going
to
go
be
with
all
of
the
big
ogs
and
in
my
life
it
was
like
an
honor,
but
now
10
years
later,
I'm
scared
I'm
getting
ready
to
come
home
in
a
few
years,
but
I'm
terrified
of
facing
life
out
there.
I
don't
know
how
to
live
like
that.
N
I
was
a
baby
when
I
came
here
and
I
have
nothing
to
come
home
to
and
ndoc's
done
nothing
to
help
me
to
get
ready
for
that.
But
I
also
don't
want
to
come
back
here.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it.
We
have
to
do
better
by
our
children.
None
of
them
belong
in
adult
court
or
systems,
and
we
can
stop
this
now
right
here
by
changing
the
law
that
doesn't
fix
everything,
but
it's
a
huge
step
in
the
right
direction.
We
support
ab230.
M
We
are
currently
taking
testimony
in
support
of
ab230
if
you
have
recently
joined
the
call
and
would
like
to
testify
in
support,
please
press
star
nine
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
and
we
will
continue
with
our
next
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
seven
seven
one,
please
press
star
six
now
and
state
your
name
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
we
begin.
I
T-U-R-N-E-R,
I'm
in
assembly
district
11
math
liberation
project
plan.
There
should
be
no
time
that
a
youth
is
sent
to
the
two
adult
courts
if
a
youth
pulls
the
trigger
and
kills
someone
that
doesn't
change.
The
fact
that
they're
still
a
child
holding
a
child
accountable
is
not
what
we
are
debating.
I
I
C
D
I
I
Is
there
data
that
connects
more
serious
crimes
or
violent
crimes
to
increase
levels
of
maturity
or
adult
mentality?
I
would
argue
that
if
a
child
takes
someone's
life
to
solve
a
conflict,
it
is
actually
indicative
of
underdeveloped
problem-solving
skills,
poor
social
interaction,
skills
and
low
maturity.
I
Although
there's
plenty
of
anecdotal
evidence,
is
there
any
research
specifically
on
what
actually
brings
a
child
to
take
someone's
life
or
join
a
gang
or
shoot
up
a
school
justice
requires
us
to
get
to
the
root
cause.
We
can't
solve
a
problem
if
we
don't
know
why
it's
happening,
and
we
are
not
solving
the
problem
by
putting
use
in
the
adult
system.
I
What
is
the
purpose
and
goal
of
placing
a
youth
in
the
adult
system?
For
my
lens,
it
seems
that
just
a
way
to
give
youth
longer
sentences
for
more
heinous
acts.
If
these
longer
sentences
are
supposed
to
serve
as
a
deterrent,
have
we
surveyed
youth
who
did
not
deter
and
ask
them
what
could
have
helped
have
we
talked
to
them
and
their
families
and
investigated
at
length
and
in
depth
to
truly
understand
what
happened
to
these
kids
that
brought
them
to
the
point
of
being
put
into
the
of
the
adult
system?
I
How
much
are
we
spending
annually
per
youth
in
the
adult
system?
Can
that
money
be
repurposed
to
service
kids
in
the
juvenile
system
and
create
infrastructure
that
is
supposedly
lacking?
Ultimately,
we
need
to
keep
kids
as
kids.
We
need
to
treat
kids
as
kids
if
they
do
something,
we
need
to
hold
them
accountable
in
the
juvenile
justice
system.
It's
not
a
matter
of
them
not
being
held
accountable.
It's
a
matter
of
how
we
are
holding
them
accountable,
how
we
are
rehabilitating
them
and
ultimately,.
A
We're
gonna
have
to
leave
our
supportive
testimony
there
due
to
time
constraints
if
there
were
others
on
the
phone
who
were
not
able
to
testify
and
support
today.
I
would
ask
you
to
please
submit
your
comments
in
writing.
I
would
also
note
for
the
record
that
there
are
some
exhibits
with
some
additional
testimony
in
support
some
folks
who
we
heard
from
and
some
who
we
did
not.
So
I
would
encourage
committee
members
to
look
there
at
this
time,
I'll
close
supportive
testimony
I'll
go
to
opposition
testimony.
M
L
L
Youth
will
need
to
get
proper
mental
health
assessments
and
counseling
prior
to
the
judge,
making
decisions
on
whether
they
should
be
certified
or
not.
Investigations
will
take
longer
to
complete
prior
to
a
judge.
Making
the
decision
some
youth
will
need
to
be
remanded
will
not
need
to
be
remanded
to
the
delta
system
and
will
remain
in
the
juvenile
justice
system.
This
will
add
additional
costs
for
mental
health
needs
and
placements
youth
with
these
charges
will
be
housed
separately.
L
They
will
not
be
allowed
to
have
roommates
to
the
serious
charges
they
are
their
pending.
We
will
have
to
open
up
additional
unit
or
two
depending
on
the
language
that
is
agreed
upon
today.
We
will
need
to
hire
detention,
staff
and
medical
and
mental
health
staff
to
get
contracts
for
mental
health
needs,
so
they
are
met
for
the
youth.
L
Our
population
approaches
175.
At
times,
the
facility
has
only
192
beds,
dggs
is
not
budgeted
or
staffed
to
meet
that
capacity.
Currently,
we
are
budgeted
for
120
youth.
We
are
working
with
county
management
looking
for
contract
for
a
unit
to
provide
an
emergency
placement
for
the
department
of
family
news
services
for
youth
that
have
emergency
mental
health
needs
that
could
put
that
program
on
jeopardy
or
on
hold.
L
There
are
several
other
bills
that,
if
passed,
will
impact
detention
capacities,
detentions
capacity
will
be
overcrowded
and
exceeded
and
will
play
place
youth
at
risk
by
having
too
many
youth
in
the
facility.
Other
programs
will
have
to
be
closed
if
there
is
no
funding
for
this
mandate.
This
will
impact
programming
for
current
youth
and
outcomes
for
the
children
currently
in
juvenile
probation.
Thank
you.
A
M
A
P
Thank
you,
chair,
yeager,
assemblyman,
c.h
miller,
for
the
record.
In
closing,
I
appreciate
the
remarks
of
many
of
those
who
called
in
today.
I
understand
that
you
are
supporting
the
bill
with
the
amendment
because
you
have
to
and
not
because
you
are
in
love
with
the
idea
of
not
capturing
all
you
at
this
time.
I
share
your
feelings
and
your
passion
and
will
work
hard
to
continue
moving
the
goal
post
forward.
P
P
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
senator
pat
spearman
will
be
amended
as
a
primary
sponsor.
She
was
the
first
senator
that
agreed
to
sign
on
to
the
bill,
but
was
unable
to
sign
it
before
I
had
to
turn
it
in
I'm
also
open
to
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
join
this
bill
as
we
move
forward.
We
are
tasked
every
day
with
correcting
the
mistakes
of
bad
legislative
decisions
of
the
past,
and
it's
time
to
correct
one
that
has
created
generational
devastation
for
communities
of
color
in
nevada.
A
A
It's
not
always
the
case,
but
thank
you
and
thank
thank
you
to
those
who
joined
the
zoom,
worked
on
this
and
helped
to
present
and
to
those
who
called
in
in
support
today
as
well,
so
well
done,
and
with
that
we
will
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill.
230.
members.
As
you
know,
we
have
one
final
item
on
our
agenda
and
that
item
is
public
comment.
By
way
of
a
reminder,
we
reserve
up
to
30
minutes
for
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Commenters
will
have
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment.
A
M
D
D
One
of
the
items
that
has
been
heard
and
we
hope
to
be
heard-
is
8141
and
161..
As
you
know,
this
coming
31st
is
the
expiration
of
both
the
cdc
and
the
governor's
eviction
moratorium
last
night
at
his
press
conference.
When
asked
what
is
to
be
done
on
the
victim
moratorium,
he
says
that
the
state
is
working
with
local
partners
in
the
judicial
branch
to
determine
how
to
handle
that.
D
One
thing
that
the
legislative
branch
can
do
is
pass
both
ab
141
and
161
to
make
sure
that
tenants
who
are
at
risk
of
eviction
or
who
may
be
evicted
to
the
covet
19
crisis,
we'll
have
we'll
have
some
support
from
the
state,
in
addition
to
the
long
list
of
federal
aid
and
unemployment
aid.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time,
and
I
really
do
hope
that
the
committee
takes
those
two
measures
up.
Thank
you.
A
M
K
Begin
grant
a-n-n-e-m-a-r-I-e.
My
brother
was
associated
to
death
by
reno
police
in
2015
in
washington,
county
sheriff's
office
during
a
mental
health
crisis.
Today
I
wanted
to
read
a
letter
on
behalf
of
candice
and
jared
leach,
the
children
of
ronald,
william
leach
jr,
who
was
killed
by
reno
police
on
september
14
2006
during
a
mental
health
crisis.
He
was
shot
in
the
parking
lot
of
a
mental
health
facility
in
reno.
K
K
He
had
such
a
big
heart
and
was
loved
by
many
his
life
being
taken
from
him
by
another
human
was
just
another
day
on
the
job,
in
an
extra
paperwork
for
some,
but
to
us
he
was
our
daddy
and
our
lives
were
shattered
and
altered
on
september
14
2006,
when
our
daddy
was
taken
from
us
by
unnecessary
lethal
force,
resulting
in
homicide
time
never
will
heal
these
kinds
of
wounds
when
your
loved
one
is
killed
by
police.
Without
consequence,
please
support
bills
that
promote
transparency
and
accountability.
Thank
you.
A
M
K
But
there
is
an
assessment
that
takes
place
prior
to
the
direct
violence
from
children
who
go
to
criminal
court.
I
mean
criminal,
prison
institutions
and
the
data
for
that
must
be
examined
under
the
the
scope
of
the
offer
of
a
free
and
appropriate
public
education,
as
involving
the
justice
system.
Just
continues
to
perpetuate
the
internal
slavery
and
the
plantation,
and
I
am
sick
of
it.
I
can
see
it's
blatant
as
they
do
absolutely
nothing
to
deter,
deter
children
from
ending
up
in
juvenile
court
and
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
bps
as
always
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
helping
us
manage
all
the
phone
testimony
with
that
I'll
close
public
comment.
We
just
may
finish
this
meeting
before
11
30,
yet
so
committee
members
anybody
else.
Anybody
have
anything
they'd
like
to
add
this
morning.
Before
we
talk
about
the
rest
of
the
week.
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
anything.
Thank
you
again
committee.
I
know
it
was
a
long
morning
with
a
couple
of
bills
that
were
pretty
substantial,
so
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
in
terms
of
where
we
go
from
here
tomorrow.
We
have
two
bills
on
the
agenda.
It
will
be
an
eight
o'clock
start
we'll
be
hearing
a
bill
from
assemblywoman
haudegee
and
one
from
our
own
assemblyman
orient
liquor
who's
on
the
committee
with
us,
and
then
we
do
have
an
agenda
out
for
monday.
A
It's
going
to
be
a
10
a.m
start
and
we'll
have
one
bill.
So
that's
the
good
news
monday.
You
get
a
couple
extra
hours
there.
I
do
anticipate
we'll
have
committee
meetings
the
rest
of
next
week.
I
just
don't
know
what
time
and
how
many
bills
as
we
continue
to
have
bills,
come
out
of
drafting
and
be
introduced
on
the
floor
so
committee.
I
hope
you
have
a
really
great
day.
I
will
see
you
tomorrow
morning
back
in
this
committee
at
8
a.m.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.