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A
Here
we
do
have
a
quorum
for
the
moment.
Could
we
mark
assemblywoman,
bilbray,
axelrod
and
assemblywoman
gonzalez
absent
excused?
I
do
expect
them
to
join
us
here
shortly
and
I'll
try
to
make
a
note
when
they
arrive
again.
That
means
we
do
have
a
quorum
on
a
wish
good
morning
to
committee
members
to
guests
who
are
joining
us
on
the
zoom
and
to
those
who
may
be
watching
either
on
the
internet
or
the
legislature's
youtube
channel.
A
A
I'll
just
remind
you
that
if
you
are
on
the
zoom
with
us,
can
you
please
be
sure
to
mute
when
you're,
not
speaking,
that'll
help
with
any
audio
feedback
that
we
get
and
if
you're
presenting
a
bill
today
and
answering
questions
in
particular,
if
you
could,
please
state
your
name
each
time
before
you
speak,
that'll
help
our
committee.
Secretaries,
prepare
accurate
minutes
I'll,
try
to
remind
you
to
do
that.
If
you
forget,
we
do
expect
courtesy
and
respect
and
our
interactions
with
one
another.
We
don't
always
agree
on
policy.
A
That
is
perfectly
acceptable,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
being
respectful
of
one
another
of
the
legislative
process
and
of
our
hard-working
staff.
Finally,
many
committee
members
are
using
multiple
devices
to
access
this
virtual
meeting,
including
desktops
laptops
extra
monitors,
ipads,
iphones
and
the
like.
So
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention.
If
members
appear
to
be
looking
away
during
today's
meeting
with
those
matters
behind
us
committee,
you
can
see
we
have
four
bills
on
the
agenda
today
and
I'm
going
to
take
them
slightly
out
of
order.
A
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
406
assembly,
bill
406
revises
provisions
relating
to
the
collection
of
child
support,
and
then
we
have
a
number
of
folks
on
the
zoom
with
us
this
morning.
I
believe
we
have
miss
cliff
as
well
as
I'm
not
sure
who
we
have
from
the
department,
but
I'll
give
you
a
chance
to
make
your
presentation
and
then
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions.
So,
when
you're
ready
to
proceed
with
the
presentation,
please
go
ahead.
J
Good
morning,
my
name
is
kathy
kaplan
good
morning,
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
the
community,
I'm
with
the
division
of
welfare
and
supportive
services.
The
people
of
child
support
enforcement
with
me
today
in
the
room
is
kim
smalley
she's
the
program
specialist
in
the
policy
unit
and
on
the
line
down
south
is
karen
cliff
chief
deputy
from
clark
county
district
attorney's
office.
Family
support.
J
J
The
implementation
of
the
process
outlined
in
ab406
will
provide
a
secure,
electronically,
accessible
method
for
withholding
the
gambling
warnings
of
alba
gore's
early
and
child
supporter
years.
Additional
collections
from
gambling
winnings
distributed
to
custodial
parents
will
increase
the
self-sufficiency
of
children
and
families
while
reducing
the
burden
on
state
resources
in
the
form
of
public
assistance.
J
J
J
J
K
K
The
registry
would
contain
pertinent
information
such
as
the
name,
the
address
amount
of
arrears,
and
it
does
require
the
adoption
of
the
regulations
by
the
gaming
control
board.
It
also
requires
the
casino
to
review
the
registry
prior
to
payout
of
the
winnings.
The
gaming
establishment
is
entitled
to
a
25
administrative
fee
for
carrying
out
these
duties.
K
The
gaming
establishment
has
five
business
days
to
remit
the
funds
to
the
state
and
provide
notice
to
the
state
of
the
relevant
information,
such
as
the
name.
The
address,
the
pertinent
information
that
is
noted
in
the
registry
upon
receipt
of
the
funds
by
the
state
the
state
is
to
send
notice
to
the
obligor.
K
K
K
K
K
K
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
There
are
a
few
questions
already.
Let
me
just
ask
a
couple:
while
I
have
it
in
front
of
me
and
I'm
making
a
note
of
a
couple
folks,
I
saw
raise
their
hands,
but
the
first
one
was,
I
think
the
testimony
was
this
system
that
is
envisioned
in
section
one
section,
one
subsection
one:
the
secure
electronically
accessible
registry.
I
think
the
testimony
was
that
is
set
to
come
online
or
the
aim
is
to
get
that
online
in
may
of
2022..
A
I
just
wonder
if
someone
could
give
us
an
update
on.
Is
that
already
in
the
works,
or
does
that
still
need
to
go
out
for
potential
requests
for
information
request?
For
I
can't
remember
rfp.
I
don't
remember
what
it
stands
for
right
now,
but
if
you
can,
let
me
know
where
you
are
in
the
process.
Please.
K
I'll
defer
to
kathy,
but
but
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
system
has
already
been
built,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
gaming
intercept
portion
that
can
be
built
in
correct
kathy.
J
J
Our
plan
is
to
have
our
first
pilot
office
in
november
of
this
year
and
we're
rolling
out
across
the
state
and
phases
in
our
final
phase
will
be
may
of
2022,
and
our
plan
is
once
it's
out
implemented.
We
work
through
all
of
our
bugs
and
issues
is.
We
would
sit
down
with
the
gaming
establishments
and
design
what
would
work
for
them
to
make
it
the
most
non-invasive
process
for
them,
so
it
would
be
an
add-on
to
our
envy
kid
system.
A
Thank
you
and
then
the
second
question
I
had
in
section
one
of
the
bill.
I
guess
it's
really
subsection
five
and
subsection
six.
So
there's
essentially
this
procedure
where
you
know
somebody
can
contest
having
the
money,
I
guess
not
necessarily
withheld,
but
having
it
remitted
to
the
division
and
there's
this
procedure
in
subsection.
Five,
where
it
says.
A
Essentially,
there
has
to
be
a
good
faith
effort
to
resolve
the
matter
between
the
obligor
and
the
division
and
that
a
meeting
has
to
take
place
to
try
to
do
that.
So
that's
subsection
five
and
then,
when
you
look
at
subsection
six,
it
talks
about
the
hearing
and
it
basically
says
the
hearing
happens
within
20
calendar
days
of
that
I'll
essentially
call
it
a
meet
and
confer
or
an
attempt
to
negotiate.
A
So
my
question
is
what,
if
that
doesn't
happen
like
what,
if
the
obligor
contests
what's
going
on,
but
doesn't
meet
and
make
a
good
faith
effort
with
the
division
to
resolve
it?
Does
it
still
go
to
a
hearing
within
20
calendar
days?
Is
that
hearing
still
triggered
or
what
will
be
due
in
that
circumstance,
where
that
meeting?
Never
really.
G
Thank
you
kim
smalley,
for
the
record.
If
the
responsibility
to
reach
out
to
the
obligor
is
on
the
division,
if
the
obligor
requests
a
hearing
and
fails
to
provide
any
reason
for
that,
that
request,
we
would
probably
not.
We
would
not
go
towards
to
hearing
that
initial
meeting
is
a
requirement
if
the
case
were
to
be
reviewed.
If
obligor
requested
a
hearing
based
on
the
mistake
of
that,
and
that
case
was
reviewed
and
it
was
found
that
it
was
an
error,
we
would
not
need
to
go
to
the
hearing.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
have
a
number
of
questions
from
committee
members,
so
I
think
I
have
six
folks
in
the
queue
so
far.
This
is
an
order.
We're
going
to
go
in
assemblywoman
krasner,
assemblywoman,
kasama,
assemblyman
wheeler
vice
chairwin,
assemblywoman
cohen,
assemblywoman
gonzalez,
and
I
should
know
for
the
record
that
assemblywoman,
gonzalez
and
assemblywoman
bilbray
axelrod
are
both
present.
They
arrived
during
the
presentation,
so,
mr
secretary,
could
you
please
mark
them
as
present
and
we'll
go
at
this
time
to
assemblywoman
krasner
for
a
question.
E
Oh
thank
you,
chair
yeager,.
G
And
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
So
my
question
is
more
of
a
liability
question.
In
the
event
that
a
team
member
of
the
gaming
establishment
fails
to
adhere
to
the
requirements
of
the
bill,
would
the
casino
be
liable
for
the
team
members
at
stake
in
providing
those
unconfiscated
funds,
or
what
would
the
procedure
in
a
case
like
that?
Be
thank.
J
Kathy
kaplan
for
the
record,
I
would
anticipate
that
as
part
of
the
bill
requirement,
we
would
work
out
details
such
as
that
with
the
gaming
control
board.
That
is
one
of
the
steps
that
this
bill
does
bring
forward.
That
will
work
out
procedural.
G
Thank
you,
chair
yeager,
assemblywoman,
kasama,
district
2.,
so
at
first
I
thought
this
was
a
lot
of
work,
for
you
know
the
the
one-off
that
might
win
megabucks,
but
hearing
your
presentation
with
the
money
that's
been
collected
is
very
impressive.
I
think-
and
I
I
support
this-
I
think
this
is
is
great,
a
great
way
to
collect
it.
My
question
is:
is
this
the
first
time
we're
just
here?
G
Is
this
the
first
time
the
gaming
establishments
have
had
to
look
to
another
source
for
withholdings
at
this
point,
they've
only
been
responsible
for
irs
withholdings,
and
also
would
this
include
any
establishment
like
the
little
bar
and
grill
that
has
15
video
games.
Will
it
also
include
them
that
you
know
they
have
to
go
to
registry
and
double
check?
J
Thank
you
for
your
questions,
casamas
kathy
kaplan
for
the
record.
It
would
include
all
gaming
establishments,
we
don't
want
to
pick
on
one
or
the
other.
We
want
to
make
it
fair
across
the
board
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
this
is
the
first
time
that
they've
had
to
withhold
for
other.
J
K
G
G
The
you
know,
I've
seen
things
like
in
my
own
district,
for
instance,
where
someone
has
paid
up
their
child
support
and
the
state
really
hasn't
updated
their
records.
Yet,
and
you
know
three
months
later,
they
get
dinged
for
another
child
support
payment.
G
G
K
This
is
k.
This
is
karen
cliff
good
morning,
assemblyman
wheeler
in
terms
of
the
the
data
and
the
security,
so
so
currently
all
of
the
employees,
whether
it's
at
the
da's
office
or
a
state
employee
that
has
access
to
this
database
even
now
has
to
complete
confidentiality
forms.
K
G
Please
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
it'd
be
a
quick
one.
So
what
you're
saying
is
that
you
know
right
now:
it's
accountants,
doing
it
with
the
same
information
but
they're
not
and
they
sign
a
confidentiality
agreement.
So
it
seems
to
me
you're
going
to
have
to
have
someone
in
the
casino
itself,
probably
in
the
cage.
I
would
think
that
or
that
area
that
accounting
type
area
that
has
they're
going
to
have
to
hire
a
special
employee
that
can
somehow
keep
security
here.
So
thank
you
for
your
question
or
for
your
answer.
My
question.
G
Thank
you
chair,
so
so
I
appreciate
the
information
about
colorado.
F
G
So
how
does
this
interplay
with
ufsa
and
if
people
are
coming
from
other
states
and
winning
jackpots
here
and
there's
already
a
case
here
because
of
ufc.
K
Can
you
just
address
that
please,
karen
cliff
on
behalf
of
the
district
attorney's
office
good
morning,
assemblywoman
cohen,
we
are
only
going
to
be
noting
on
the
database
cases
that
are
open
within
the
state
of
nevada
that
we're
enforcing.
F
L
K
Cases
good
morning,
assemblywoman
gonzalez
karen
cliff
again
so
again,
there's
there's
19
states.
We
we've
been
able
to
sort
of
look
at
historically
what
they're
collecting
ohio
collects
quite
a
bit,
but
just
to
sort
of
give
you
an
example
in
north
carolina
from
2008
to
2017
and
we're
talking
about
states
with
very
limited
gaming.
K
Louisiana
and
again,
there's
similar
casinos
there.
We
have
heras
that
are
operating
in
other
states
and
and
they're
participating
in
this
gaming
intercept.
So
you
look
at
louisiana.
They
have
20
casinos,
statewide
from
2016
to
2017
you're,
looking
at
about
4
million
455
000
and
during
that
time
period,
just
within
a
year,
you're
looking
at
probably
about
3
000
intercepts
and
that
netted
over
4
million
dollars.
K
But
again
the
the
numbers
are
staggering
amongst
these
19
states
and
so
we're
certain
with
the
level
of
gaming
in
nevada.
It
would
be
impressive
for
these
families.
G
A
Okay,
great
assemblywoman
hanson.
Please
go
ahead.
G
Oh
thank
you
chair
good
morning.
Everyone
and
I
appreciate
this
bill
on
its
face.
I
completely
supportive
as
a
child
who
didn't
get
child
support.
Growing
up.
My
mother
did
her
best,
but
it
was
certainly
difficult.
I'm
support
any
legal
means
we
can
can
garnish
what
would
be
rightfully
due
to
a
child
and
a
single
parent,
so
the
logistics,
I'm
thinking
there
was
a
lot
of
logistics
involved
in
originally
just
setting
up
the
garnishment
process.
G
So
as
a
and
I
think
this
will
be
directed
toward
I'm
sorry,
the
the
two
ladies
at
the
table.
As
far
as
the
logistical
rollout
it
seems
to
me,
the
foundation
is
already
there
within
agencies
within
the
da's
office
and
the
gaming
establishments
are
already
having
to
work
with
the
irs
reporting
of
the
winner.
The
winner
has
to
fill
up
the
form
they're,
facilitating
that
I'm
trying
to
understand
to
me.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
huge
lift,
I'm
sure
in
opposition.
We
might
hear
differently.
G
J
So
kathy
kaplan
for
the
record.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question.
Our
intention
is
to
make
a
portal
and
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
to
the
gaming
establishments
and
what
we
envision
is
once
you've
gained
that
information
for
the
test.
Wtg
form
you
would
log
into
our
nv.
Kids
portal
input
that
information,
and
at
that
time
you
would
instantly
get
a
match
or
a
no
match
to
that
record.
And
so,
if
there's
no
match
you
could
pay
out
the
winnings
to
the
patron
and
they'll
harm.
No
foul.
G
Yes,
chair,
if
I
could
just
follow
up
with
one
please
and
also
we
own
a
business,
we
have
to
garnish
wages
for
child
support,
and
so
I'm
thinking
going
back
to
some
of
my
colleagues
questions
about
who
would
handle
this
information.
G
I'm
assuming
hr
they're,
the
ones
who
handle
this
as
it
is
with
the
garnishment
of
their
employees.
So
wouldn't
it
just
probably
be
a
lot
of
the
same
hr
people
that
have
been
entrusted
with
that
information
of
the
employees.
To
now
handle
the
information
of
winners
possibly
being
on
the
registry
and
having
those
earnings
garnished.
J
Kevin
kaplan
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
We
wouldn't
dictate
exactly
who
would
have
access
to
the
system.
We
would
want
to
leave
it
up
to
each
gaming
establishment,
because
maybe
it's
the
cash
cage,
people
that
would
handle
the
wtg
form,
and
so
it
would
just
be
a
process
flow,
and
the
next
step
would
be
to
log
into
our
portal
and
check
to
see
if
there
is
an
outstanding
child
support
obligation.
K
K
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
it
actually
miss
cliff.
I
think
you
could
hopefully
answer
my
questions.
G
G
G
Thank
you
chair
what
other
just
for
my
edification,
what
other
income
sources
do
we
or
child
welfare
access
now
for
garnishment
of
wages.
K
K
K
We
have
many
individuals
that,
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
are
working
under
the
table,
and
so
we
can
only
withhold
where
we
have
a
valid
employer,
and
so
we
have
individuals
that
are
self-payers
or
the
unbanked,
and
so
we're
unable
to
seize
funds
from
a
banking
institution,
and
so
this
gaming
intercept
provides
an
opportunity
for
us
to
collect
funds
on
cases
that
we
would
never
otherwise
be
able
to
collect
unless
the
individual
makes
a
voluntary
payment.
G
I
appreciate
that
and
one
last
question:
do
you
have
any,
as
I
recall,
the
wt
w
2
g
forms
are
filled
out?
I
think
it's
10
in
winning
in
excess
of
10
000
or
is
it
12
000.
K
So
there's
probably
someone
from
the
gaming
control
board
here.
This
is
karen
again,
but
my
understanding
is
that
changes
depending
on
the
type
of
of
gambling
so
for
slots
it
would
be
1200,
but
for
a
table
game.
I
believe
it's
10,
000
or
more,
and
I
know
that
the
gaming
regulations
are
are
intense,
but
I
do
believe
that
number
fluctuates
depending
on
the
type
of
gambling.
G
K
We
were
asked
this
actually
briefly
by
the
nevada
resort
association,
and
I
I
have
to
say
I
I
don't
have
a
number.
I
can
only
imagine
it's
staggering,
just
given
what
we've
seen
in
in
ohio
and
in
some
of
the
other
states
in
the
millions.
We
know
that.
Thank
you
for.
L
All
right,
then,
kim
sarat
for
the
record.
I
am
current
nja
president,
was
the
past
president
of
the
family
law
section
current
chair
of
the
state
child
support
commission,
but
I
do
not
speak
on
behalf
of
the
commission.
I
cannot,
but
you
know,
as
a
family
law
attorney
a
private
family
law
attorney.
L
I
will
tell
you
a
large
majority
of
our
cases
have
gambling
gambling
addiction
problems
and
often
when
you
have
a
non-paying
parent,
there
are
other
reasons
it
may
be
drugs,
it
may
be
alcohol,
it
may
be
gambling,
but
often
it's
one
of
those
causes.
That
is
a
problem,
and
I
know
just
in
my
small
practice
with
four
family
law
attorneys
that
we
personally
could
have
collected
far
more
child
support
than
we
ever
have
with
this
bill.
L
The
the
concept
is
not
foreign,
it's
not
new,
because
we
do
have
a
registry
for
the
insurance
companies
and
we
talked
about
this
last
session
and
made
some
modifications
to
that
law
where
it
required
all
the
insurance
companies
to
participate
in
it
and
the
collections
are
going
up
and
we're
able
it
access
is
the
number
one
thing
we
need
in
order
to
collect
child
support.
If
you
have
access,
you
have
a
means.
You
know
what
they're
doing
you
know
more
about
their
behaviors
and
you
can
go
after
it
with
without
any
knowledge
of
gambling.
L
There's
very
few
ways
for
us
to
figure
out
gambling
problems.
We
can
subpoena
a
casino
for
their
records
when
they
use
the
players
cards
and
that
type
of
stuff
that's
extremely
expensive.
In
a
family
law
case.
This
is
a
far
cheaper,
easier
way
of
finding
out
about
that
money.
G
Thank
you
chair,
hopefully
be
my
last
mr
up,
then
I
understand
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
to
collect
arrears
that
are
owed
for
child
support.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
you're
saying
you
want
data
on
how
to
go
after
people
that
are
in
arrears
and
use
it
for
other
things.
Maybe
child
custody
arguments
anything
else
or
to
increase
child
support
numbers,
not
just
the
simple.
What
I
thought
was
the
intent
of
this
bill.
Could
you
clarify
that
for
me,
please.
L
Yes,
sorry
assemblyman
o'neill
kim
sarat
for
the
record.
No,
that
is
not
what
I
meant
by
that.
I
just
meant
that
in
these
cases,
they're
complicated
and
arrears
are
the
problem.
I
mean
when
we're
looking
for
to
support
children
and
do
what's
in
their
best
interests.
Child
support
arrears
are
very
damaging
to
families
and
through
the
da's
office,
that's
the
only
place.
We
have
a
lot
of
these
tools.
I,
as
a
private
attorney,
do
not
have
a
tool
to
determine.
If
there
was
gaming
winnings,
they
have
these
tools
they
can.
L
They
can
put
a
hold
on
their
driver's
license.
They're
hunting
licenses
now
lean
their
tax
returns.
All
things
I
can't
do
as
a
private
attorney,
but
these
cases
that
they're
collecting
within
this
system
are
ones
that
are
truly
in
arrears.
They're,
not
they
missed
a
100
payment
one
month
and
they're.
Suddenly
in
the
system
with
you,
know,
garnishments
on
gaming
winnings.
These
are
true,
systematic
arrears,
people
who
are
not
paying.
G
Time
allowing
me
chair,
I
appreciate
it.
A
You're
welcome
in
the
interest
of
time
and
given
that
we
have
other
three
other
bills
on
the
agenda,
I
think
I'm
gonna
stop
there
with
questions
members,
if
you
do
have
additional
questions,
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
our
presenters
offline,
but
to
our
presenters.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
and
just
ask
you
to
sit
tight
for
a
moment.
While
we
take
some
testimony
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
come
back
for
any
concluding
remarks.
A
L
A
A
C
G
Good
morning
to
the
committee,
this
is
kerry,
leprey
cordisco,
deputy
district
attorney
for
the
family
support
division
in
washoe
county.
I
have
been
basically
on
the
line
for
26
years
doing
the
child
support
enforcement.
I'm
testifying
in
support
of
this
bill
the.
G
In
the
7
000
cases
that
will
be
enforced
and
which
are
non-welfare
cases
where
peop,
where
the
all
the
guards
do
not
pay
their
child
support,
unless
it's
garnished
and
many
of
these
same
obligors
are,
as
karen
indicated,
are
self-employed
or
work
at
jobs.
We
cannot
collect
from
and
they
gamble,
and
they
are
certainly.
E
G
They're
not
going
to
make
they're
not
going
to
make
volunteer
payments
toward
their
child
supporters,
no
matter
how
much
they
win.
So
this
bill
will
allow
us
to
automatically
and
immediately
intercept
those
funds
and
get
them
directly
to
the
families
in
nevada.
A
C
B
B
B
That
money
once
collected
from
the
alba
gore
goes
directly
to
families
and
children
and,
as
highlighted
by
the
presenters,
the
more
money
we
collect
the
more
money
we
get
back
from
the
federal
government
in
the
form
of
incentives
grant
incentive
grants.
We
are
willing
to
work
with
anybody
to
make
this
bill
work
for
nevada.
Again,
we
are
in
support
of
ab403.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
C
B
Good
morning
my
name
is
deshaun
jackson
d-a-s-h-u-n-j-a-c-k-s-o-n.
I
serve
as
the
director
of
soldiers,
safety
and
wolf
for
policy
with
the
children's
advocacy
alliance
and
we
stand
in
support
of
ab406.
We
need
this
bill
is
essential
to
ensuring
that
children
are
taken
care
of
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Thank
you
all.
So
much.
A
A
C
G
We
appreciate
very
much
that
the
proponents
reached
out
to
us
early
on
this
bill
and
support
their
goal
to
maximize
the
amount
of
child
support
collections
that
can
be
tracked
down.
Unfortunately,
at
this
time
we
are
in
opposition
to
ab406,
while
we
understand
that
systems
similar
to
this
are
in
place.
In
other
states
that
have
gambling
the
gaming
industry
in
nevada
is
much
bigger
and
more
complex
than
in
most
other
states.
So
the
complexity
of
the
system
and
the
privacy
concern
are
a
more
prominent
factor
here.
G
C
A
C
A
J
J
I
just
want
to
you
know,
put
it
out
there
to
any
opposition
or
any
supporters
that
our
plan
is
to
build
a
very
secure,
reliable
database,
so
that
the
gaming
industry
is
not
suffering
any
hardships
and
finding
out
if
a
patron
owes
child's
puerto
rico's.
We
do
want
to
work
with
anybody
that
has
any
questions
or
concerns
we're
open
for
any
contact
that
you
guys
may
have.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
A
At
this
time
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
406,
so
we
will
go
back
up
to
the
top
of
our
agenda
and
before
we
do
that,
let
me
ask
madam
vice
chair.
I
think
you
are
presenting
both
of
those
bills.
Do
you
have
a
preference
in
terms
of
which,
which
one
we
take?
First.
A
Okay,
well
then,
let's
just
stick
with
the
order
that
the
bills
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
So
at
this
time
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
393
assembly
bill
393
makes
various
changes
relating
to
criminal
justice
and,
as
I
just
noted,
vice
chairwin
will
be
presenting
the
bill.
So
we'll
give
her
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
then
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
questions.
So
welcome
to
the
virtual
presentation
table
and
please
proceed.
E
Morning,
terry
yeager
and
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
the
hardest
working
morning
committee
that
there
is
in
the
assembly
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
am
here
to
present
assembly
bill
393
today
for
your
consideration.
This
will
be
a
short
presentation
and
I
will
open
it
up
to
any
questions.
I
do
have
victoria
gonzalez
and
if
she
could
there,
she
is
there.
She
is
you
know
and
if
she
could
unmute
and
just
tell
us
her
title
so
we
know
what
her
title
is,
because
I
don't
know
it.
F
E
See
I
never
would
have
got
the
entire
title,
rochelle
win
for
the
record
again.
I
represent
assembly
district
10
in
central
las
vegas,
and
I'm
here
to
present
this
bill.
This
is
essentially
a
cleanup
bill
in
the
2019
session,
this
assembly,
judiciary
passed
and
it
became
law
in
july
of
2020
assembly
bill
236,
and
it
was
kind
of
a
omnibus,
huge
criminal
reinvestment
criminal
justice
reform
bill.
E
We
knew,
I
think
it
was
over
150
160
pages,
and
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
we
learned,
even
in
the
last,
like
you
know,
less
than
last
nine
months,
that
there
were
things
that
needed
to
be
cleaned
up
as
a
part
of
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice,
as
well
as
the
sentencing
commission.
Those
were
two
interim
commissions
and
committees
that
met
and
the
implications
of
ab236
were
very
evident
there.
They
were
pretty
ex.
E
You
all
received
the
annual
reports
in
january
from
both
of
those
commissions,
and
some
of
you
who
sat
on
this
committee
last
year
were
able
to
watch
the
three
and
a
half
hour
presentation
from
justice
tardesi
and
our
own
chair
yeager
in
presenting
assembly
bill
236.,
so
that
that
is
this.
This
is
just
some
cleanup
language.
The
the
recommendations
that
were
included
here
came
out
unanimously
from
both
of
those
commissions
and
interim
committee
work.
E
So
I
don't
see
there
being
too
much
opposition
you
know.
Obviously,
sometimes
the
language
as
it
comes
out
doesn't
reflect
what
we
would
hope,
but
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
what
our
intent
was
in
cleaning
up
some
of
these
statutes
and
rather
than
go
through
all
68
pages
of
this.
I
will
open
this
up
for
questions
that,
hopefully
myself
and
miss
gonzalez,
can
answer
if
necessary,.
A
I
know
we
have
a
couple
questions
before
I
take
those
vice
chairwin
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
this
or
I
know
we
have.
I
think
we
have
other
folks
on
the
phone
who
are
involved
in
this
bill
as
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
in
section
against
the
section,
let
me
find
it
section
21
of
the
bill.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
new
language
there,
but
my
understanding
was
essentially
our
statutes.
A
Now
parole
and
probation
are
sort
of
lumped
into
the
same
statute,
and
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
what
section
21
does
is
essentially
separates
those
out,
so
that
parole
will
have
its
own
section
and
probation
will
have
its
own
section.
So,
although
it
appears
to
be
a
lot
of
new
language
in
section
21,
it's
just
the
same
language
that
already
exists
in
a
different
section
of
law,.
E
That's
correct
this
isn't
anything
new
perl
and
probation
had
contacted
us
during
the
commission
hearings
on
the
acha
about
how
this
would
add
to
clarity
in
implementation
of
236,
and
this
would
just
add
clarity
by
including
them
in
those
two
separate
sections.
So
it
isn't
new
language.
It
just
allows
them
to
implement
the
law
from
ied
236
more
efficiently.
A
G
Actually,
I
just
at
assemblywoman
kasama
for
the
record
district
2..
Thank
you,
chair
question
to
you
vice
chairwin.
Why
do
we
have
two
separate
sections
for
parole
and
probation?
My
question
just
came
up
from
your
from
your
question
there.
G
E
Was
something
here
from
prolonged
probation?
They
would
probably
be
in
the
best
position
to
answer
that
question.
But
generally,
my
understanding
of
having
there
be
two
different
sections
is
probation
for
the
members
of
the
committee
is,
if
you
are
under
a
current
sentence,
so
if
you've
been
sentenced
and
you've
been
granted
a
probationary
period,
you
have
probation
officers
and
they
are
dealing
with
you.
E
While
your
sentence,
I
guess,
is
your
it's
a
part
of
your
sentence
and
parole
is
after
you
have
served
your
sentence,
so
you've
served
your
sentence.
You've
been
eligible
for
parole
and
you
are
that
chair.
Yeager
is
messaging
me
saying
that
pearl
and
probation
is
on
the
line,
so
I
think
tom
lawson
is
online,
so
if
he
can
hop
on
that
would
be
wonderful.
He
might
be
able
to
clarify
that
with
more
accuracy
than
me.
A
G
I
think
I
think
that
was
just
kind
of
a
general
overview.
I
was
looking
for
too
that
that
is
great.
If
I
may
share
one
other
question,
please.
G
Yes,
so
on
page
17,
that
would
be
section
eight
part
four.
It
says
the
division
shall
develop
an
end
of
a
individualized
case
plan
for
each
probationer.
The
case
plan
must
include-
and
it
goes
on-
I'm
just
curious.
We've
already
been
doing
case
plans
right-
is
this
just
kind
of
codifying
it
again
but
free,
but
we've
already
been
doing
case
plans
along
the
way.
Isn't
that
correct?
This
is
not
new.
E
Again,
I
believe
that
this
section
that
you're
referring
to
is
just
it
already
exists
in
statute,
we're
just
making
it
clear
that
it
exists
for
probationers
and
parolees
wonderful.
A
A
A
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
additional
questions
at
this
time,
so
vice
chairwin
appreciate
the
presentation
I'll
ask
you
to
sit
tight
for
a
moment.
While
we
take
some
testimony
on
the
bill
at
this
time,
I
will
open
it
up
for
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
393.,
miss
gonzalez.
Did
you
want
to
testify
in
support
or
in
addition,
please
go
ahead.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
of
yeager.
I
wanted
to
thank
cherry
yeager
and
vice
chairwin
for
the
collaboration
of
putting
forth
this
legislation
and
also
thank
you
for
the
support
for
supporting
the
nevada
sentencing
commission
and
our
very
brand
new,
very
small
department.
F
F
Our
department
is
testifying
in
support
of
this
building,
make
that
clear,
victoria
gonzalez
again
for
the
record,
testifying
in
support
of
ab393
back
in
2019
the
bill
that
moved
the
nevada
sentencing
commission
from
the
legislature
to
the
executive
branch
and
made
it
a
full-time
commission,
also
created
our
department,
and
those
two
bills
happened
in
the
that
bill
happened
independently
of
ab-236,
however
ab-236
in
its
sweeping
criminal
justice
reform
tasked
the
sentencing
commission,
with
tracking
and
assessing
the
outcomes
of
ab-236,
which
include
rigorous
data
collection
and
writing
and
submitting
various
reports.
F
So
these
changes
just
make
it
clear
that
the
department
is
the
agency.
That's
supporting
the
commission
in
these
efforts
specific
to
the
writing
of
the
reports,
administering
the
meetings
and
collecting
and
aggregating
that
data.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
what
the
changes
were
and
wanted
to
clarify
again
what
vice
chairwin
said
that
the
commission
voted
unanimously
unanimously
on
these
changes
at
our
october
28th
meeting
and
we're
presented
to
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice.
F
So
again,
thank
you
again
for
your
support
of
the
commission
for
this
bill
and
for
our
department
and
and
if
there's
anything
that
this
body
needs,
I
invite
you
to
reach
out
to
us.
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
more
about
what
we
do
and
what
the
commission
does
and
look
for
opportunities
to
support
each
of
you
in
your
efforts
with
looking
for
that
data
related
to
criminal
justice
reform.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you
appreciate
that
testimony
and
support,
and
all
of
your
work
to
support
all
these
efforts
that
are
going
on
in
the
state.
We
greatly
appreciate
it
and
I
know
that
you
have
been
working
very
short,
staffed
and
really
been
doing
the
job
of
three
or
four
people
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
those
efforts.
They
do
not
go
unnoticed.
A
M
Thank
you,
chairman
yeager,
and
thank
you
vice
chairwin
for
bringing
forward
the
language
in
this
bill.
And
yes,
this
is
tom
lawson,
with
division
of
parole,
probation
for
the
record.
We
are
in
support
of
this
bill
and
the
language
presented,
and
I
made
some
notes
while
the
questions
were
coming
in.
M
So
if
I,
if
I
missed
one
of
them
that
I
can
provide
an
answer
to,
please
give
me
the
highest
sign
and-
and
I
will
provide
information
so
first
I'd
like
to
confirm
chairman
yeager's
comment
regarding
the
the
cleanup
of
the
the
differences
between
the
bill,
and
I
think
this
also
will
answer
another
one
of
the
members
questions
is
that
chapter
176,
a
in
nrs
deals
strictly
with
probation
and
probationers,
and
all
the
terms
and
conditions
granting
discharging
and
everything
to
do
with
probation
chapter
213
does
the
same,
but
for
the
parole
side
of
the
house,
and
so
the
confusion
that
we're
seeking
to
clarify
here
is
that
under
chapter
213
there
were
references
to
parole,
and
so
when
our
staff
or
anybody
is,
is
looking
for
hey.
M
What
are
the
rules
for
probationers?
You
had
to
go
to
176a,
but
if
you
didn't
find
it
there,
then
you
also
had
to
check
the
parole
statute,
where
it
wouldn't
really
intuitively
be
for
guidance
on
probationers
and
so
the
language
that
you're,
seeing
here
in
the
like
section.
Eight,
for
example,
the
language
there
section
21,
there's,
there's
a
bunch
of
changes
where
it's
just
conforming
changes
to
remove
references
of
parole
from
the
probation
statute
and
vice
versa.
M
And
so
it
looks
like
a
lot
of
stuff
here,
but
but
the
language
on
either
of
those
chapters
that
was
implemented
during
ab236
last
time
when
it
was
put
in
one
chapter
before
it's
just
repeated.
In
both
chapters.
Now
we
have
not
looked
sought
to
change
into
the
elements
that
were
added
last
time,
we're
just
clarifying
that
all
the
probation
stuff
is
in
the
proper
chats
chapter.
All
the
parole
stuff
is,
in
the
other
chapter
and
they're
no
longer
crossing
reference.
A
Let
me
find
my
unmute
button
there,
so,
while
we
have
chief
lawson
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
answered,
I
think
that
answered
assemblywoman
kasama's
questions,
but
any
other
questions
for
mr
lawson.
While
we
have
him
here,
okay,
I
don't
see
additional
questions.
Thank
you
for
jumping
on
the
zoom.
We
certainly
appreciate
that
and
appreciate
your
testimony
and
support.
M
Thank
you,
sir
tom
lawson,
again
for
the
record,
and
just
one
more
note
is
that
chairman
dorico
from
the
parole
board,
was
unavailable
to
to
attend
this
morning,
he's
getting
a
second
kobit
shot
as
we
speak,
but
he
asked
me
to
to
pass
along
that.
The
parole
board
is
also
in
support
of
the
bills
written
and
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
A
Thank
you
so
much
chief
lawson
appreciate
that,
and
hopefully
I'm
getting
your
title
right.
I
know
you've
been
a
lot
of
different
titles
along
the
years,
but
I
think
it's
chief
now
right.
It
is
sir.
Thank
you,
okay,
fantastic
thank
you,
chief
lawson
anybody
else
on
the
zoom
who'd
like
to
testify
and
support.
A
C
B
C
H
Good
morning,
chairman
yeager
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
e-r-I-c-s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y,
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
here
in
support
of
assembly
bill
393
and
as
a
member
of
the
acaj,
we
appreciate
vice
chairwin,
bringing
this
forward.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
C
A
E
Thank
you,
rochelle
wynn,
for
the
record.
I
I
just
want
to
thank
victoria
gonzalez.
She
is
just
truly
like
one
of
those
superhero
people
that
collects
data.
Is
there
as
a
resource?
I
would
encourage
all
of
our
members
to
reach
out
to
her
and
her
team.
It's
a
small
team
and
they
are
doing
amazing
they're
doing
the
work
of
like
an
army,
what
they're
doing
on
collecting
data,
so
we
can
make
evidence-based
like
decisions
in
our
state,
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
and
I
hope
everyone
will
support
assembly
bill.
E
A
Thank
you
vice
chairwin
appreciate
the
presentation
this
morning
and
thank
you
again,
miss
gonzalez
for
being
with
us
on
the
zoom
this
morning
and
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing.
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
393
at
this
time.
I'm
going
to
open
the
hearing
on
the
next
bill
on
her
agenda
and
that
would
be
assembly
bill.
A
401
assembly
bill
401,
directs
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice
to
appoint
a
subcommittee
to
study
records
of
criminal
history
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
vice
chairwin
I'll
note
for
members
of
the
committee
and
members
of
the
public.
There
is
an
amendment
to
this
bill
on
nellis
that
came
from
vice
chair
wynn,
so
I
believe,
she'll
probably
be
working
off
of
that
amendment.
E
You
rose
shall
win
assembly
bill
assembly
district
10..
I
represent
assembly
district
10.,
I'm
here
to
prepare
present
assembly
bill
401,
you
will
see
there
is
an
amendment,
it's
a
pretty
substantial
amendment.
When
I
explained
to
lcb
what
I
intended
I
clearly
I
was
not
clear.
So
this
is
all
on
me.
What
I've
intended
is
for
those
of
you
that
have
sat
on
this
committee.
I
know
that
assemblywoman
krasner.
E
This
is
a
particular
issue
for
her
in
her
representation
of
her
constituents,
and
I
know
that
this
is
an
important
issue
for
our
entire
state
is
year
after
year
and
session
after
session,
and
I'm
sure
I've
seen
so
many
bills
come
before
us
and
only
the
two
sessions
I've
been
here,
and
I
can
only
imagine
what
it
is
like
for
everyone
else
is
over
and
over
and
over
again
we
will
hear
bills
about
sealing
records
about
giving
people
second
chances
about
juvenile
records
about
whether
or
not
we
seal
records
or
expunge
records,
even
when
we
have
like
proclamations
or
declarations,
or
we
have
like
policies
in
place
that
want
to
feel,
like
you
know,
simple
misdemeanor
marijuana
possession
charges
actually
implementing
the
policies
that
I
think
we
all
have
agreed
upon
as
a
legislative
body
or
in
other
areas
is,
is,
is
very
difficult
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
what
we
have
and
what
kind
of
processes
that
we
have
in
place.
E
So
my
intention,
with
the
proposed
amendment
that
is
up
on
nellis,
that
I
think
I
provided
to
you
all
last
week,
is
to
have
a
legislative
commission
that
have
a
legislative
commission,
appoint
a
committee
of
legislators
composed
of
six
legislators.
So
this
would
be
a
proposed
study
and
with
the
corresponding
five
bdrs
that
come
out
of
any
of
these
proposed
and
like
voted
upon
studies
that
come
out
of
the
assembly
and
senate
every
session,
to
be
able
to
review
the
types
of
records
that
are
sealed.
E
This
is
something
that
I
think
that
will
be
a
lot
of
support
to
increase
transparency,
to
help
with
our
job
market,
to
also
look
at
how
our
ceiling
and
our
state
ceiling
statutes
also
interact
with
some
of
the
for
lack
of
a
better
word
like
social
media
or
internet
websites
that
are
possessed
some
of
this
data
that
they're
able
to
collect
from
us.
E
So
I
think,
looking
at
this
and
addressing
the
procedures
and
the
process
and
making
it
more
efficient
is
something
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
in
acting
the
policy
that
we
want
to
enact
in
these
areas,
so
that's
kind
of
the
short
of
it.
So
I
will
open
that
up
to
any
questions
you
might
have.
G
Yeager
from
you
to
vice
chairwin,
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill
vice
chairwin.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
know
everyone
across
the
state
appreciates
it.
I
just
I
have
a
question,
so
I'm
informed
that
currently
in
clark
county,
there
is
a
mechanism
for
juvenile
records
where,
when
the
juvenile
turns
21,
their
records
are
automatically
filled,
and
that
is
the
law
across
the
entire
state
of
nevada
but
they're
not
doing
it
in
washoe,
county
or
the
other
counties.
G
E
E
Rochelle
win
for
the
record,
you
know
I'm
not
familiar
with.
You
know
what
is
happening
across
the
state,
but
I
am
familiar
enough
to
know
that
there
are
inconsistencies
across
the
state.
There's
implementation
issues.
There
are
uniformity
issues
and
so,
like
I
said,
I'm
hoping
that,
having
like
an
actual
study
and
we'll
actually
we'll
have
those
kind
of
like
in-depth
conversations
about
what's
happening
across
the
country.
E
What
we
can
do
in
this
state
having
the
people
that
are
actually
doing
this
in
the
ground
on
the
ground
come
in
with
real
solutions
like
this
is
what
would
make
my
job
easier?
This
is
how
we
can
accomplish
these
policy
goals.
Yes,
you
are,
you
know,
implementing
all
these
laws
that
require
this.
This
is
why
we
can't
do
it
if
we're
not
doing
it.
So
I
think
that
you
know
to
your
point.
This
is
why
we
need
this
study.
E
F
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
realize
I
hadn't
turned
my
camera
back
on.
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
of
concern
to
me
and
we've
spoken
about
this
in
in
previous
discussions,
is
the
availability
of
data
to
be
picked
up
on
the
internet
and
then
businesses,
whether
they
be
government
or
private,
using
organizations
to
do
their
background
checks
for
employment
and
then
that
old
data
outdated,
outmoded
data
still
being
accessible.
F
F
Would
you
also
consider-
or
I
didn't
think
I
saw
it
in
the
in
the
in
the
proposed
language
that
employers,
whether
they
are
especially
government,
that
they
use
an
official
database
to
check
on
people's
records
so
that
we
don't
have
this
outmoded
data
interfering
with
people's
ability
once
their
their
records
have
been
expunged
or
sealed
that
it's
not
showing
up?
And
then
people
can
truly
say.
I
don't
have
a
conviction.
F
I
I
hope
I
explained
that
properly
and
and
thank
you
vice
chair
win
for
this
bill.
E
Rochelle
lynn,
for
the
record,
no,
I
think
that's
a
a
great
question.
I
think
I
tried
to
encompass
some
of
those
issues
with
these
study
bills.
You
want
to
make
them
vague
enough
that
you
can
allow
the
the
study
committee
to
examine
what
they
want
to.
I
tried
to
include
that
in
section
7
the
applicability
of
current
procedures
in
the
state
pursuing
records
of
criminal
history
which
are
posted
on
internet
websites,
social
media.
I
would
definitely
be
open
to
kind
of
expanding
that
definition
to
make
it
more
broad.
E
So
we
can
look
at
whether
or
not
what
kinds
of
records
background
records
people
are
looking
at,
especially
for
state
and
government
jobs.
I
think
that's
probably
easier
to
you
know
require,
but
I'm
not
opposed
to,
including
having
the
committee
interim
committee
study,
like
also
focus
on
some
of
that
issues.
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
interplay
between
private
industry
and
them
being
able
to.
F
A
A
C
Yes,
chair
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill,
401
press
star
9,
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
and
we
will
begin
with
the
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
725
press
star
sticks
now
to
unmute
yourself,
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin.
B
N-I-C-K-S-H-E-P-A-C-K
with
the
aclu
of
nevada,
we
are
here
in
support
of
av-401,
which
is
a
much
needed
study
records
is
a
confusing
and
complicated
process.
We
seemingly
can't
expunge
records
in
the
state
and
explaining.
Why
has
been
a
convoluted
mess?
The
governor's
office
offered
record
stealing
for
some
marijuana
offenses,
and
I
believe
at
this
time
you
can
still
count
on
your
fingers
and
toes
the
number
of
people
who
have
access
that
sealing
process.
A
study
that
allows
us
to
better
understand
these
process
is
very
welcome.
B
I
don't
think
anyone
would
argue
with
the
fact
that
we
can
do
better
in
this
area.
We
look
forward
to
this
study,
the
clarity
it
will
bring
and
hopefully
a
streamlining
of
the
process.
It
is
a
community
that
suffers
from
the
complexity
and
confusing
nature
of
this
process,
and
that
is
due
to
no
fault
of
their
own.
We
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
and
we
look
forward
to
the
results
of
the
study.
Thank
you.
C
B
B
A
C
B
Morning,
chairman
jaeger
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
john
piero,
j-o-h-n-p-I-r-o
from
the
clark
county,
public
defender's
office
record.
Sealing,
has
kind
of
been
a
pet
project
of
mine
and
now
judge
jaeger's,
but
when
she
was
a
public
defender
at
our
office
worked
on
starting
a
program
and
figured
out
all
of
the
difficulties
that
comes
with
trying
to
seal
a
person's
record
and
get
a
fresh
start,
and
the
legislature
has
gone
a
long
way
towards
correcting
some
of
those
difficulties
in
the
last
two
sessions,
but
there's
still
a
long
way
to
go.
B
A
C
D
Good
morning,
terry
yaeger
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
this
is
kendra
burchie,
k-e-n-d-r-a
c-e-r-t-s-e-h-y,
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I
also
want
to
thank
heroin
for
bringing
this
incredibly
important
legislation
forward,
as
we've
discussed
in
several
other
hearings
already
in
front
of
this
committee.
This
session
record
sealing
is
a
significant
issue
to
this
state.
It's
extremely
arduous,
time-consuming,
confusing
costly
and
no
one
seems
to
have
the
right
answers
as
to
how
to
fix
it.
D
We
come
back
bill
after
bill
session
after
session
chipping
away
and
it's
time
that
we
finally
study
it
and
figure
out
how
to
overhaul
this
system.
I
would
just
note
that,
as
a
practitioner
here
in
nevada,
as
well
as
previously
in
california,
I
assisted
in
record
feelings
now
in
both
states
and
it's
such
a
different
system
here
in
nevada,
that's
very
hard
for
our
citizens,
and
so
we
appreciate
this
bill
in
order
to
try
to
expedite
the
process
when
someone
has
deserved
and
earned
having
the
records
sealed.
A
A
A
E
Thank
you,
rochelle
win
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
talk
to
lcd
legal
about
a
possible
amendment
to
kind
of
expand
that
to
look
at
work
histories
and
have
the
committee
also
look
at
that,
and
I
appreciate
your
support
on
assembly
bill
401.
A
Thank
you
so
much
vice
chairwin
for
the
presentation.
I
will
close
assembly
bill
401
and
let's
just
power
through
the
last
bill
on
the
agenda,
so
I
will
be
presenting
that
so
I'm
going
to
hand
hand
the
virtual
chair
gavel
over
to
vice
chair
win
and
I
will
make
my
way
to
the
virtual
presentation
table.
E
A
A
I'm
pleased
to
present
assembly
bill
402
to
you
this
morning,
assembly,
bill
402,
makes
some
changes
to
language
that
was
added
to
law
by
assembly
bill
3
of
the
32nd
special
session
last
summer.
So
those
of
you
who
were
who
were
here
then
likely
remember
that
was
the
so-called
social
reform
police
reform
social
justice
bill
that
was
passed
through
the
legislature.
A
As
we
have
discussed
in
this
committee
on
occasion,
the
word
custody
can
have
different
meanings
when
pertaining
to
law
enforcement.
There
is
physical
custody
when
an
officer
actually
has
physical
control
over
somebody.
The
most
obvious
example
of
this
would
be
somebody
that's
in
handcuffs
somebody
who's
in
a
police,
car
they're,
an
actual
physical
control
of
the
officer,
but
there's
also
legal
custody
when
law
enforcement
might
not
have
physical
control
over
somebody,
but
the
person
is
not
free
to
leave
in
the
eyes
of
the
law.
That
person
is
in
fact
in
custody.
A
A
Assembly
bill
3
of
the
30-second
special
session
referenced
the
word
custody
in
three
instances,
but
it
did
not
specify
legal
versus
physical
custody.
Why
did
it
not
do
that?
You
may
ask
the
honest
answer:
is
that
special
session
moved
very
quickly
and
we
did
the
best
that
we
could,
but
in
my
estimation,
we
felt
a
little
bit
short
of
getting
that
language
precise
because
it
was
a
special
session.
We
didn't
have
the
normal
opportunity
to
vet
legislation
in
the
judiciary
committee
like
we're
doing
here.
A
Instead,
we
heard
the
bill
in
the
assembly
chambers
sitting
as
a
committee
of
the
whole
and
the
senate
did
the
same
since
the
30-second
special
session.
I
have
received
feedback
feedback
that
this
language
could
use
some
clarification,
so
assembly
bill
402,
seeks
to
clarify
that
we
are
referring
to
physical
custody
in
three
instances
rather
than
legal
custody.
So
let
me
quickly
take
you
through
the
bill
before
taking
questions.
Thankfully
it's
not
too
long,
so
we'll
be
able
to
get
through
this
pretty
quickly
section.
A
One
of
the
bill
pertains
to
the
right
to
record
law
enforcement
activity
with
the
amended
language.
Somebody
under
arrest
or
in
physical
custody
of
the
officer
would
not
be
permitted
to
record
police
activity.
This
really
makes
sense
because
at
that
that
point,
your
actual
movement
is
going
to
be
restricted.
If
you
are
under
arrest
or
in
physical
custody.
A
Now
I
will
note
I'm
still
in
some
discussions
with
this
language
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
meaning
just
right,
but
that
is
the
intent
that,
when
someone
is
in
handcuffs,
obviously
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
record
what's
happening
at
that
point
section
two
of
the
bill.
Just
you
know
it
comes
with
a
conceptual
amendment
that
you
will
find
on
nellis.
It
is
a
one
sentence,
conceptual
amendment.
I
am
asking
that
the
first
instance
of
the
newly
added
word
physical
be
deleted.
A
So,
if
you're
looking
at
the
bill,
that
is
on
page
three
line,
eight
that
reference
to
physical
should
not
be
in
the
bill,
because
the
intent
of
assembly
bill
three
from
the
special
session
was
to
ban
the
use
of
chokeholds.
The
addition
of
the
word
physical
in
this
line
suggests
that
chokeholds
are
okay
until
a
person
is
in
physical
custody,
but
that
was
not
the
intent
of
assembly
bill.
3.
chokeholds
would
only
be
permissible
if
used
in
a
self-defense
situation.
A
So
that
is
the
one
amendment
that
I'm
requesting,
but
staying
in
section
two
of
the
bill.
The
addition
of
the
word
physical
is
very
important.
In
line
10,
because
the
obligation
to
place
somebody
in
a
rescue
position
should
only
apply
when
the
officer
actually
has
the
person
in
physical
custody,
not
just
legal
custody,
because
again,
legal
custody
does
not
necessarily
mean
physical
custody,
so
the
most
common
instance
of
this
happening
would
be
when
somebody
is
already
in
handcuffs
and
is
on
the
ground
or
is
in
the
back
of
a
police
car.
A
In
this
instance,
legal
custody
and
physical
custody
are
likely
going
to
be
the
same
thing,
because
an
officer
generally
wouldn't
be
using
force
to
put
someone
in
legal
custody
apart
from
putting
them
in
actual
physical
custody.
So
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
add
that
clarification
here
just
for
the
consistency
sake
of
the
language
in
the
statute.
A
So
that
is
the
bill.
In
front
of
you
and
again,
I
will
note
that
things
are
moving
very
fast
in
the
building.
I
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
all
interested
parties
on
this
legislation
before
this
morning's
hearing,
because
of
that
I'm
very
unsure
about
who
we're
going
to
hear
from
in
the
testimony
of
this
bill
and
what
concerns
may
be
out
there,
but
I
am,
of
course,
as
always
willing
to
work
with
anybody
who
has
concerns
and
believes
that
we
can
make
this
legislation
better.
E
And
sherry
yeager:
do
you
have
anyone
on
the
zoom
that
is
here
to
testify
and
support,
neutral
or
opposition?
I
don't
see
anyone,
but.
E
E
I
remind
callers
to
limit
their
testimony
to
two
minutes
and
please
clearly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
C
N
Ian
marie
grant
a-n-n-e-m-a-r-I-e-g-r-a-n-t
sister
thomas
purdy
affixiated
to
death
by
reno
police
and
washer
county
sheriff's
deputies.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
sponsoring
this
bill.
I
realized
the
bulk
of
the
bill
has
been
enacted
since
the
special
session,
which
I
was
grateful
for
when
your
loved
one
is
killed
by
police
police
policies,
don't
save
their
lives,
perhaps
legislatively
mandated
directives
will
encourage
common
sense,
be
used
by
officers.
My
brother
was
never
put
into
the
recovery
position
by
reno
police
after
being
hogtied.
N
N
I've
seen
far
too
many
videos
of
men
pleading
to
officers
that
they
can't
breathe
only
to
be
told
if
you're
talking
you're
breathing
only
for
that
person,
somebody's
loved
one
to
die
moments
later
from
the
pressure
being
applied
to
their
body
while
prone
or
restrained
putting
someone
in
the
recovery
position
will
keep
their
airway
clear
and
open
and
also
ensures
that
any
vomit
or
fluid
won't
cause
them
to
choke
recorded
interactions
with
police
by
bystanders
has
often
been.
The
only
way
truth
is
shed
on
a
particular
event
that
took
place.
N
Perhaps
if
a
bystander
was
swimming,
the
police
who
hogtied
my
brother,
who
was
non-aggressive,
they
wouldn't
have
kept
their
knees
and
neck
in
his
back
the
entire
time.
Maybe
they
would
have
called
an
ambulance.
There
was
video
of
him
being
put
in
the
hog
tie,
but
peppermill
security
were
fully
there.
Isn't
video
of
that,
because
peppermill
security
were
fully
aware
that
surveillance
cameras
do
not
cover
the
stairs
out
front
by
the
waterfront,
and
so
the
footage
is
from
the
camera
across
the
parking
lot,
making
it
grainy.
N
Those
who
oppose
police
being
film
will
say
we
already
have
nrs
289.030.
Regarding
body
cameras,
but
if
someone
has
been
put
has
put
in
multiple
ois
body,
cam
footage
requests
for
victims,
families
only
to
be
denied,
I
can
attest
access
to
witness
recorded
footage
is
much
easier
for
a
victim
of
police
to
obtain
private
citizens.
Recording
police
employees
during
their
interactions
with
the
public
ensures
the
level
of
accountability
among
the
employees
of
the
local
department.
That
is
often
non-existent
when
cameras
are
not
rolling.
N
N
C
H
H
We
signed
in
neutral
but
duly
truly
do
have
concerns
for
section
one,
as
this
makes
it
apply
to
bystanders
at
an
incident
who
might
truly
be
suspects.
Once
we
sort
out
what
we
have
in
front
of
us.
You
know
the
scenes
we
go
to
aren't
always
super
clean
and
easy
to
take
people
and
separate
them
into
separate
rooms.
To
try
to
get
testimony
on
something.
H
Possibly
so
that's
just
one
scenario:
you
can
throw
a
hundred
different
what-ifs
at
it,
but
the
word
physical
custody
would
prohibit
us.
So
we
couldn't
tell
the
other
person
or
people
nearby
to
stop
recording
or
do
anything
about
it.
We
don't
really
care
people
record
law
enforcement,
we're
out
in
the
public
we're
public
servants,
that's
what
we
do,
but
we
do
care
about
getting
truthful
information
and
we
do
care
about
victims
and
section
one
with
the
word.
Physical
custody
is
something
that
we
really
tried
to
fight
off
in
ab3.
H
C
I
Hi,
madam
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
chuck
callaway
c-a-l-l-a-w-a-y,
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department
department.
We
are
today
strongly
opposed
to
ab402
the
changes
being
made.
We
certainly
support
people's
ability
to
film
law
enforcement
activity,
there's
cameras
everywhere
in
our
society
and,
as
was
mentioned,
our
police
officers
currently
wear
body
cameras.
I
So
that
is
not
a
concern,
but
the
concern
of
removing
the
word
physical.
The
courts
have
well
established
that
a
person
is
in
custody
when
they
reasonably
believe
that
they
don't
have
the
right
to
leave,
and
officers
often
have
to
detain
suspects
at
crime
scenes
they
have
to
take
people
into
custody
without
necessarily
putting
them
into
handcuffs.
I
Just
this
weekend,
I
had
a
fight
break
out
in
front
of
my
home,
involving
about
20
people,
and
I
called
9-1-1,
and
the
officers
that
showed
up
were
in
a
situation
where
they
they
did.
They
obviously
didn't
have
enough
handcuffs
to
physically
put
everyone
that
was
involved
in
that
fight
in
physical
custody.
I
As
many
of
you
might
have
seen
in
video
footage
of
some
of
the
protests,
there
were
protesters
literally
putting
a
camera
in
front
of
the
face
of
an
officer
and
having
to
physically
put
someone
into
handcuffs
in
order
to
ask
them
to
stop
filming
during
a
detention
of
that
person
or
custody
of
that
person
is,
is
only
going
to
escalate
situations.
I
Also.
This
was
discussed
in
detail
during
ab3
during
the
special
session,
where
the
discussions
I
had
with
lawmakers
at
the
time
was
the
intent
to
was
to
codify
case
law
invol
involving
the
right
to
film
officers.
I
actually
participated
in
the
testimony
on
the
floor
to
the
committee
of
a
whole
and
answered
numerous
questions
regarding
this
statute,
so
I
do
believe
that
there
was
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
in
detail
in
the
special
session.
So
thank
you
and
wanted
our
opposition
to
be
clear
on
the
record.
C
B
Good
morning,
chairman
yeager
vice
chair
nguyen
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
john
piro
j-o-h-n-p-I-r-o
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office.
We
are
in
neutral
on
this
bill.
We
were
waiting
to
hear
some
of
the
comments
before
we
weighed
in
and
then,
when
I
heard
concerning
comments
from
director
callaway
and
mr
spratly,
we
decided
to
come
in
in
neutral.
B
It
is
concerning,
because
metro
has
a
history
of
trying
to
take
phones
away
from
people
who
are
trying
to
record
them.
So
the
the
right
to
record
officers
is
not
as
freely
given
as
both
director
callaway
and
mr
spratly
would
make
it
seem.
So
it's
concerning
that
they
would
even
further
try
to
limit
the
right-
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
those
concerns
on
the
record
for
this.
E
C
D
Good
morning
vice
chair
noen
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
this
is
kendra
burchie,
k-e-n-d-r-a
v-e-r-t-s-c-h-y
and
I'm
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
Like
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office,
we
weren't
planning
on
necessarily
testifying
today,
just
need
to
put
some
statements
on
the
record.
We
appreciate
all
the
work
that
this
committee
has
done
regarding
this
bill,
in
particular
in
the
special
session,
with
listening
to
the
voices
of
the
community,
demanding
that
there
be
some
changes
enacted,
because
the
community
members
were
afraid
of
being
able
to
videotape
interactions
with
law
enforcement.
D
So
we
really
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
this
committee
did
to
ensure
that
individuals
feel
safe
to
protect
each
other
while
interacting
with
law
enforcement
on
the
streets.
Unfortunately,
this
bill
is
necessary
in
these
legislation
and
these
matters
are
needed,
since
not
all
law
enforcement,
wear
body
cameras
when
interacting
with
the
public,
there
is
a
law
indicating
that
they
should.
D
However,
we
have
seen
that
there
are
individuals
who
are
not
part
of
the
requirement
who
are
able
to
then
interact
and
are
involved
with
our
community
members,
and
there
is
no
body
camera
video
footage,
capturing
those
interactions.
So,
unfortunately,
this
bill
and
these
this
legislation
is
necessary
in
terms
of
what
was
passed
during
this
last
session.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
nguyen
steve
yeager
for
the
record.
You
know,
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
add
some
legal
clarity
to
what
we
mean
when
we
talk
about
custody
in
assembly
bill
402
after
hearing
the
testimony,
perhaps
there's
not
agreement
or
there's
not
a
desire
to
do
that.
A
I
heard
a
lot
of
testimony
about
section
one,
but
nobody
really
addressed
section
two
or
three.
So
I'm
sort
of
left
wondering
what
the
position
is
on
those
sections,
but
I
will
do
my
work
and
find
out
and
if,
if
we
get
there
on
this
I'll,
ask
the
committee
to
consider
it
in
a
work
session
and
if
not,
we
won't
so.
Thank
you
so
much
committee
for
allowing
me
to
present
this
bill
this
morning.
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
and
that
concludes
my
concluding
remarks.
E
A
Thank
you
vice
chair,
so
we
have
gotten
through
the
four
bills
on
our
agenda
and
I
think
we
did
it
in
record
time
for
judiciary
an
hour
and
50
minutes
so
good
job
committee
that'll.
Take
us
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
public
comment.
Just
by
way
of
reminder,
we
reserve
up
to
30
minutes
of
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Public
commenters
will
have
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment.
Public
comment
is
a
time
to
raise
matters
of
a
general
nature
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
assembly
judiciary,
committee
bps.
C
N
G
G
These
communities
have
already
been
disproportionately
impacted
due
to
coving
and
lost
a
job
loss
of
security,
and
you
know,
there's
no
fault
of
their
own.
It
has
been
a
year
since
the
nevada,
since
nevada
have
officially
recognized
the
cdc
eviction,
moratorium
and
the
covet
pandemic.
Although
our
recovery
seems
closer
than
ever,
we
urge
you
to
take
steps
so
that
nevada
has
a
fair,
so
nevada's
don't
fall
through
the
cracks
and
left
behind.
G
You
have
an
opportunity
to
do
so
by
implementing
protections
in
ab141
and
ab161.
Thank
you.
C
N
He
was
put
in
a
hog
tie
for
40
minutes
and
then
asphyxiated
at
the
jail
by
four
deputies.
My
brother
weighed
140
pounds
soaking
wet
as
he
begged
for
his
life.
I
like
to
urge
you
all.
It
is
available
online.
The
video
of
my
brother
being
asphyxiated
to
death
at
the
jail
reno
gazette
did
an
expo.
I
think
it
was
probably
two
years
after
my
brother
died
and
14.
Other
people
died
at
the
washoe
county
jail
when
the
local
paper
decided
to
do
an
expose.
N
J
N
A
really
long
horrible
seizure,
I
woke
up
to
an
officer
telling
me
I
was
fine.
I
was
fine,
knock
it
off.
They
gave
me
a
dixie
cup
of
watered
down
gatorade
and
sent
me
back
to
my
seat,
where
I
sat
for
another
12
plus
hours
waiting
to
get
released,
then
a
few
hours
before
I
was
released.
They
indeed
were
making
fun
of
inmates
pictures
calling
calling
names
it
was
horrible
one.
Quite
I
will
never
forget
was
that
the
blank
that
monkey
slapped
her
blank
boyfriend,
it's
a
horrible
place
and
I
hope
to
never
go
back.
N
I
have
a
million
things
I
could
say
about
the
two
times
I
had
spent
there
less
than
five
days,
but
it
would
take
all
night
to
write
about
it.
It's
just
horrible
and
the
officers
don't
care
about
anyone
or
anything.
I'm
still
traumatized
to
this
day
about
the
things
I
witnessed.
I
met
a
man,
a
grown
man
at
an
event,
and
he
cried
had
tears
pouring
down
his
eyes.
He
survived
what
my
brother
did
not
being
piled
on
by
grown
men.
N
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
eric
spratley
s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y
here
as
a
private
citizen,
I'm
just
kind
of
taking
back.
We
have
experienced
lobbyists
taking
advantage
of
a
less
than
optimal
system
for
providing
testimony
to
refute
comments
made
by
other
presenters.
They
came
up
in
the
neutral
quote-unquote
position
to
provide
supportive
testimony
and
refute
what
other
people
just
were
stating
just
because
they
were
in
opposition.
H
They
should
know
better
than
that
and
they
were
yet
they
were
allowed
to
continue
to
do
it,
and
so
we're
hoping
that
the
that
this
doesn't
happen
in
the
future,
where
this
can
just
turn
into
a
battle
of
testimonies
in
the
different
positions,
and
it's
not
stopped.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
C
A
G
A
Thank
you,
assemblyman
wheeler.
You
all
had
something
to
do
with
getting
us
out
of
here
in
record
time
as
well.
So
I
think
it
reflects
the
homework
that
you've
all
done
on
these
bills.
So
I
appreciate
that,
in
terms
of
the
rest
of
the
week,
eight
o'clock
starts
every
day.
We
have
an
agenda
for
tomorrow
and
one
for
thursday,
thursday
we're
going
to
do
a
work
session
as
well.
We'll
probably
try
to
do
that.
First,
there
are
some
bills
listed
on
the
agenda.
A
There
may
be
some
others
that
will
add
to
work
session
and
then
we're
still
working
on
friday's
agenda
and
again
I
anticipate
next
week,
we're
probably
gonna
have
committee
every
day
at
eight
o'clock,
as
we
march
towards
the
april.
9Th
first
committee
passage
deadline,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
today
is
you
know,
assemblyman
wheeler
and
I
don't
always
agree,
but
I
think
there
is
something
happening
later
today.
A
There's
a
sporting
event
happening
that
we
might
agree
on,
and
that
is
a
basketball
game
between
my
alma
mater
and
the
university
of
california,
los
angeles
and
seeing
that
assemblyman
wheeler
has
connections
to
the
southern
california.
Trojans,
I
think,
he'll
be
cheering
with
me
later
on
today,
and
so
let
us
just
say,
go
blue
and
in
unison,
we'll
hope
for
a
victory.
A
I
hope
everyone
has
a
really
great
rest
of
the
day,
and
I
should
mention
too
that
usc
is
also
playing
later
today,
so
assemblyman
wheeler
best
of
luck.