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A
And
I
am
present.
Thank
you,
Madam
Secretary,
some
housekeeping
before
we
begin,
please
make
sure
all
electronic
devices
are
silenced.
Please
make
sure
that
all
amendments
and
Exhibits
things
like
that
are
provided
for
the
committee
a
day
a
business
day
prior
to
the
hearing
at
noon,
make
sure
there
are
15
copies
for
guests
also.
We
may
not
agree
on
everything
in
the
committee,
but
we
do
expect
for
there
to
be
courtesy
in
the
committee.
Please
note
that
committee
members
will
be
using
electronic
devices
throughout
the
committee.
A
Please
do
not
take
this
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
just
that
we're
using
our
electronic
devices
to
communicate
and
to
review
exhibits
and
the
like.
We
will
also
have
public
comment
after
the
hearings,
but
with
that
we
will
begin
PK
O'neill
day
in
natural
resources,
so
with
that
minority
leader
I
believe
we're
going
to
go
in
order
and
start
with
assembly.
Bill
325,
so
I
will
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
Bill
325,
which
revises
Provisions
relating
to
water.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
appreciate.
Having
this
day,
I
got
to
tell
you
my
three
sessions.
This
is
probably
the
first
time
I
have
ever
testified
or
come
in
contact
with
Nat
Ram,
so
I
I
don't
know
whether
to
start
out
begging
for
mercy
or
just
see
how
life
goes,
but
I
guess
we'll
just
see
it's
Monday
as
I
was
saying.
C
Thank
you,
chair
Cohen
and
members
of
the
committee
of
Natural
Resources
for
the
record
I'm
PK
O'neill
assemblyman,
representing
District
40,
which
includes
Carson
City,
all
of
Carson
City,
all
of
Story
County
and
the
Eastern
side
of
Washoe
County
along
the
Reno
City
Limits
up
to
the
city
limits
of
Sparks
I'm.
Here
today
to
present
to
you
assembly,
Bill
325,
for
your
consideration.
The
bill
relates
to
water
rights
that
are
within
the
boundaries
of
an
irrigation
project
within
Federal
Reclamation
projects.
C
The
bill
provides
some
exceptions
from
current
requirements
regarding
temporary
changes
to
the
place
of
diversion
place
of
use
or
manner
of
use
of
a
water
right
in
the
state,
Engineers
mapping,
filling
requirements
or
filing
requirements.
I
apologize,
we're
certain
specific
circumstances
exist
for
a
little
background
during
campaign
and
after
election
I
was
speaking
with
a
variety
of
constituents,
including
several
ranchers,
from
line
in
Churchill
County
on
water
issues.
C
This
bill,
hopefully,
will
eliminate
the
duplication
and
allow
the
Division
of
Water
Resources
to
focus
on
the
issues
that
only
they
can
resolve
and
expedite
their
services
to
their
customers.
Our
constituents
today
with
me
helping
me
with
this
I,
have
Ben
shalcroft
general
manager
of
tcid
and
Diane
Bailey,
the
mapping
and
water
rights
specialist
to
ca
tcid,
to
assist
in
the
presentation
and
answer
questions
with
your
permission.
Chair
I
would
like
to
have
them
give
an
opening
statement,
and
afterwards
I
will
go
through
the
bill
itself.
D
Good
afternoon
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
as
stated,
my
name
is
Ben
shawcroft,
the
general
manager
of
the
Truckee
Carson
Irrigation
District
I'm,
also
accompanied
by
Diane
Bailey,
who
was
our
mapping
and
water
rights
specialist.
We
are
here
to
help
introduce
a
b325
and
if
we
have
questions,
I'm
really
going
to
be
referring
to
Miss
Bailey
here,
because
she
really
is
our
in-house
expert
on
these
issues.
D
Currently,
if
you
own
water
rights
within
the
district-
and
you
want
to
temporarily
move
that
water
to
another
piece
of
ground
within
the
district,
you
must
file
an
application
for
a
temporary
transfer.
With
the
state
engineer,
tcid
provides
a
service
to
its
users,
where
we
will
review
these
applications
prior
to
being
filed
with
the
state
engineer.
We
do
this
to
help
the
user,
ensure
that
the
application
is
prepared
properly
with
supporting
documentation
and
Maps,
so
that
the
application
does
not
get
rejected
by
the
state
engineer.
D
In
the
end,
this
saves
time
and
money
for
the
user.
Now
these
temporary
transfers
should
be
a
quick
and
convenient
way
for
the
user
to
move
water
around
in
a
given
year
to
make
the
best
use
of
their
water.
The
problem,
however,
is
that
the
review
process
at
the
state,
Engineer's
Office,
is
taking
much
too
long
to
be
of
real
benefit
to
the
user.
It
makes
it
difficult
for
the
user
to
plan
their
season,
not
knowing
when
or
if
their
application
will
be
approved.
D
This
bill
removes
the
requirement
that
such
applications
be
reviewed
by
the
state
engineer
and
provides
that
they
only
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Irrigation
District,
and
this
only
applies
again
to
an
Irrigation
District
within
a
federal
Reclamation
project.
Truckee
Carson,
irrigation
history.
It
makes
sense
to
do
this
because
tcid
has
the
historical
records
and
maps
on
which
these
applications
rely,
and
we
can
process
them
much
more
quickly
than
what
is
being
done
by
the
state
engineer.
D
E
A
D
Apologize
Madam
chair
I
believe
that
assemblyman
next
to
me
was
going
to
continue
with
the
going
through
the
bill
before
oh.
C
C
With
that
said,
chair
I'd
like
to
go
through
the
bill
as
best
as
I
can
as
quickly
as
I
can
so
we
can
get
to
the
real
meat
and
the
questions
and
answers
section.
One
subsection
2
provides
that
a
person
is
not
required
to
file
an
application
with
the
state
engineer
for
a
temporary
change
of
the
point
of
diversion
manner
of
use
or
place
of
use
for
water
already
appropriated.
C
If
the
temporary
change
occurs
within
the
boundaries
of
an
Irrigation
District
within
a
federal
Reclamation
project,
the
Irrigation
District
approves
the
temporary
change
and
the
temporary
change
does
not
exceed
one
year
section.
One
subsection
three
provides
an
exception
to
the
state
Engineers
map
requirements
and
provides
that
the
state
engineer
May
accept
a
map
that
does
not
conform
to
the
regular
requirements.
C
If
the
map
is
filed
in
connection
with
an
application
to
appropriate
water
or
to
change
the
point
of
diversion
manner
of
use
or
place
of
use
of
water
subject
to
control
of
an
Irrigation
District
within
a
federal
Reclamation
project
and
the
Irrigation
District
has
approved
the
map
and
I
think
that's
it.
And
now
you
may
see
why
I
don't
come
to
not
Ram
that
often
chair.
C
A
F
Thank
you
very
much,
Madam
chair
good,
to
see
you
minority
leader.
So
this
is
a
question
that
will
sound
familiar
to
many
of
my,
my
colleagues
but
I,
guess:
first
off
Mr
shotkov,
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
go
back
to
those
timelines
that
you're
seeing
so
under
the
current
process?
With
the
state
engineer,
what
are
what
are
the
timelines
that
you're
seeing
and
what
are
the
ideal
timelines
that
maybe
you've
seen
in
the
past
or
would
like
to
see
for
the
processing
of
these
applications.
D
E
For
the
record
Diane
Bailey
over
the
years,
we
had
some
people
at
the
state
that
were
had
more
time
to
deal
with
this
stuff.
So
the
time
frames
were
a
little
a
little
less
than
what
we're
doing
now,
but
it's
really
difficult,
I
guess
for
them
to
dedicate
the
time
they
need
now
for
for
some
of
these
Temporaries,
and
some
of
them
are
fairly
complicated.
E
Once
upon
a
time
I
mean
we
could,
in
an
emergency
situation,
get
a
temporary
transfer
through
within
a
couple
of
weeks,
but
now
it's
taking
months
and
months
and
the
problem
is
that
you
know
the
farmers
are
trying
to
plan
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
have
this
water
where
they
needed
to
be,
and
so
the
extra
time
is
causing
some
problems,
and
we
do
do
a
lot
of
the
work
ourselves
at
tcid.
The
applications
mapping
helping
the
water
users
with
those.
E
So
you
know
we,
we
do
have
all
the
records
all
the
maps
and
we
have
dealt
extensively
with
our
people
at
the
state
and
we
have
a
very
good
rapport
with
them.
So
I
believe
you
know
we
could
continue
on.
Basically,
the
same
way
we're
doing
just
a
little
quicker.
That's
all.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
So
I
guess.
My
next
question
is
so
I.
It
sounds
like
this
is
something
that
also
kind
of
comes
along
with
the
kind
of
with
the
seasonal
cycle.
So
are
there?
Is
there
a
potential
situation
where
you
may
have
a
particular
user
filing
in
multiple
years?
For
these,
these
temporary
changes
to
these
change
applications.
E
They
we
do
have
water
users
that
file
pretty
much
every
year,
depending
on
the
circumstance
and
but
sometimes
they're.
The
same,
sometimes
they're,
just
enough
different
that
the
state
has
to
do
a
more
extensive
review
and
it
does
take
time.
D
Ben
shocked
off
for
the
record
yeah.
Our
plan
is
to
actually
put
into
process
a
procedure
or
policy
where
once
tcid
has
reviewed
it
and
approved
it,
then
we
provide
notice
to
the
state
Engineer's
office
because
it
could
potentially
impact
another
application
with
their
office
for
a
permanent
transfer.
F
G
Thank
you
chair
once
again,
I
find
myself
fascinated
at
these
water
policies
and
as
a
freshman
here
trying
to
learn
all
about
this
I
usually
really
try
to
take
advantage
of
any
opportunity
that
I
have
to
meet.
Individuals
like
you
in
advance
of
the
hearing,
so
I
can
establish
a
framework
that
I
will
confess
at
this
moment.
G
So
if
you
can
kind
of
help
me
understand
here,
if
you
could
do
it
in
a
certain
time
frame
kind
of
this
Federal
Reclamation
project,
as
well
as
the
interplay
with
the
Irrigation
District
and
the
state
engineer
and
the
original
permitting
process
and
who
is
making
what
decisions
based
on
what
and
therefore
kind
of
taking
the
state
engineer
out
of
this
exemption-
or
you
know
for
this
application
for
a
temporary
change
to
understand
it
would
even
be
appropriate
if
we're
going
to
be
missing
some
sort
of
step
in
there.
G
D
Of
Ben
shawcraft
for
the
record,
it
is
a
bit
of
a
complex
answer
and
I
would
hate
to
also
State
something
incorrectly
as
I'm
as
I.
Try
to
explain
it,
but
but
what
we
have
is
the
the
the
federal
Reclamation
did,
the
project
itself,
which
was
created
in
1902
so
a
very
long
time
ago,
and
the
water
then
was
then
was
made
available
to
the
users
and
the
users
still
own
the
water
rights
but
the
but
the
Bureau
of
Reclamation.
D
They
owned
the
facility,
so
they
own
the
facility,
the
truck
at
Carson,
Irrigation
District.
We
maintain
and
operate
the
facilities
and
the
water
users
own
the
water
rights.
And
so
that's
so
you
have
a
lot
of
different
layers
here.
That's
also
governed
by
federal
court
decrees,
such
as
the
Alpine
decree,
the
ordinance
decree
on
the
different
river
systems.
So
we
so
there's
there's
that
and
that
that's
managed
and
governed
by
Federal
water
master
and
by
the
federal
district
court.
D
So
you
have
that
and
then
you
have
the
layer
of
not
a
state
water
rights
and
water
law
that
governs
the
use
of
of
of
that
resource
within
the
state
of
Nevada.
And
so
there
is
there
is
that
kind
of
interplay
between
the
two,
the
nuances
and
the
it
kind
of
depends
on
the
situation
that
we're
talking
about.
As
far
as
which
govern
governs,
State
law
versus
you
know,
federal
law
or
the
decrees.
We'd
have
to
get
into
a
probably
much
longer
discussion
that
we
can
get
into
today.
D
But
there
is
that
interplay
and
in
most
cases,
we're
able
to
figure
that
out
as
to
which
governs
because
there's
a
case
law
that
addresses
a
lot
of
those
issues.
H
Larue
hatch,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I,
think
it
surprises
no
one
that
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
my
first
question
is
obviously
this
applies
to
one
District
in
one
place
in
the
state.
Are
other
users?
Are
there
Farmers
or
ranchers
applying
to
the
state
water
engineer
for
these
temporary
changes.
D
D
So
we're
not
unique
in
that
regard,
but
since
tcid
is
unique
in
that
all
of
the
water
that
makes
it
to
our
project
is
then
governed
by
our
rules
and
regulations
and
ocap
and
different
things
that
that
it's
then
treated
a
little
bit
differently
than
than
your
standard
user
throughout
the
state
of
Nevada.
H
D
Been
chakra
for
the
record
yeah,
the
problem
we've
identified
is
that
tcid
has
probably
like
we
say,
the
best
records
available
for
the
water
rights
and
the
maps
for
our
Irrigation
District,
and
therefore
that's
really
what
we
rely
on.
That's
what
we
look
at
primarily
to
make
these
determinations
and
so
having
both
entities.
Look
at
it.
We've
we
identify
certain
conflicts,
sometimes
which,
in
our
opinion,
should
be
resolved
in
favor
of
the
chart.
Trucking
Carson
Irrigation
District
records,
because
those
are
the
historical
records.
H
E
Diane
Bailey,
for
we,
we
I've
just
for
the
record
I've,
been
at
tcid
for
35
years,
so
I've
dealt
with
many
aspects
of
the
state
and
we've
gone
through
quite
a
few
different
employees
of
the
state
and
we've
always
worked
together
very
well
and
tried
to
work
through
our
issues
and
and
things,
but
it
has
gotten
to
the
point
now
where
it's
just
it's
very
burdensome,
for
the
state
to
there's
I,
guess:
I'm,
understanding,
there's
not
enough
staff.
E
E
You
know
applications
and
everything,
but
because
again
of
all
these
records
and
the
detail,
our
our
project
is
is
much
more
detailed
than
a
lot
of
other
projects,
so
I
mean
we're
down
to
hundredths
of
an
acre
and
tiny
little
pieces
and
map
shifts
and
things,
and
this
gentleman
is
he's
having
a
really
hard
time,
keeping
up
with
his.
So
we're
trying
to
not
only
alleviate
our
part
of
it,
but
also
the
state's
part
of
it
for
something
that
is
really
not
shouldn't.
Be
that
difficult,
and
it's
only
for
one
year,
it's
temporary.
E
C
And
if
I
may
cheer,
PK
O'neill
putting
it
in
short,
we're
going
to
simplify,
so
the
state
engineer
can
deal
with
those
other
people.
That's
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
to
provide
better
service
to
our
customers.
Our
constituents
tcid
will
take
care
of
their
immediate
areas
of
responsibilities,
allowing
the
state
engineer
to
take
care
of
everybody
else's.
C
So,
as
was
stated
earlier,
the
ranchers
want
to
get
to
their
fields
as
quickly
and
know
that
they
have
water
and
that
they
can
move
their
water
around
in
an
expeditious
time
period
and
not
have
to
wait
two
three
months
plus
when
actually
the
growing
season
is
coming
to
an
end.
So
we're
actually
we're
trying
to
in
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
to
simplify
and
provide
better
Services
of
the
government.
H
H
I
I
do
have
some
concerns
over
a
lack
of
oversight,
especially
when
it
comes
to
water,
which
is
you
know,
our
most
precious
resource
resource
here
in
Nevada,
I
I
know
you
mentioned
to
my
colleague
that
some
of
these
users
file
annually
for
a
change,
and
so
what
I
want
to
know
is
with
this
new
language.
If
they
just
file
a
permit,
it
says
it's
for
one
year:
only
can
they
come
back
every
single
year
and
say
it's
for
one
year
only
and
in
result
we
get
a
permanent
change.
C
O'neill,
the
answer
to
that
and
correct
me
is
yes,
but
every
year
it
has
to
be
approved
and
reviewed,
so
it
doesn't
become
an
automatic
they
just
can't
do
it
without
seeking
to
tcid
tcid
and
tcid
looks
as
their
water
as
one
of
the
most
valuable
resources
that
we
have,
and
these
ranchers
look
at
it
too,
both
in
the
good
years
and
in
those
drought
years
that
we've
experienced
so
so
yeah.
The
answer
is
yes,
they
can
come
back,
but
every
year
that
application
has
to
go
through
the
same
process
again
and
again.
B
E
For
the
record
Diane
Bailey
we
have,
we
have
some
people
that
are
are
multiple
years.
I
mean
we
could
10
15
years
in
some
case,
but
again
you'd
have
to
understand
how
things
work.
We
have
a
lease.
We
have
people
that
lease
water
from
other
people
there's
very
there's,
there's
very
limited
water,
as
we
all
know,
and
it's
not
readily
available
to
be
purchased
and
transferred
on
a
permanent
basis,
whereas
some
farmers
are
willing
to
lease
to
somebody
on
a
temporary
basis
and
in
some
cases
it
is.
E
It
is
multiple
years
tcid,
I
guess.
The
word
is
sponsors
H
temporary
transfer
every
year
using
County
Water
that
the
county
does
not
have
a
use
for
at
this
point
and
it
puts
it
to
beneficial
use
every
year.
It's
a
yearly
transfer
and
there
is
no
there's
not
going
to
be
any
permanent
transfer
ever
for
this
water
unless
the
county
does
it
for
themselves.
E
A
E
E
It
has
become
more
of
an
issue
within
the
last
five
years
or
so
there
was
a
gentleman
at
the
state
that
dedicated
quite
was
able
to
dedicate
Kate
quite
a
bit
of
his
time
to
our
plate,
so
to
speak,
and
when
he
left,
then
it's
kind
of
been
difficult
to
to
get
a
have
a
person
that
was
that
dedicated
to
what
we
need
and
it's
and
it's
in
the
spring.
You
know
it's
not
all
year,
but
it
it
does
put
a
burden
on
the
state
to
to
try
to
to
get
our
stuff
through.
A
So
we're
going
to
move
on
to
support
in
Carson
City,
there's
three
chairs
so
as
people
move
out
of
the
chairs
feel
free
to
fill
in
the
chairs
and
then
I'm,
assuming
there's
no
one
in
Las
Vegas
unless
anyone's
hiding
or
in
Elko.
But
so
anyone
in
Carson,
City
and
support
come
on
up
okay,
seeing
none
and
seeing
no
one
in
Elko
or
Las
Vegas.
If
we
can
go
to
the
phones,
please
BPS.
A
J
Good
afternoon,
Madam
chairman
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Steve
Walker,
representing
Eureka,
County
kind
of
home
away
from
home.
The
first
assemblyman
O'neill's
statement
that
it
was
surface
waters
only
needs
to
be
codified
into
the
bill,
and
there
are,
there
are
other
water
rights
that
are
not
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
district.
I
know
I
had
one
and
it
has
been
sold
to
Churchill
County.
So
we
feel
we
need
to
make
sure
that
this
disc
to
surface
water
rights
I
also,
that
would
a
suggestion
to
section
two
line.
J
Six
excuse
me
section
two
sub
one,
and
that
is
the
temporary
change,
occurs
within
the
boundaries
of
the
district.
We
would
suggest
that
should
be
jurisdiction.
Jurisdiction
of
the
district.
Also
an
explanation
of
the
manner
of
use,
change.
A
manner
of
use.
Change
in
water
typically
would
go
something
like
the
agriculturally
medicinal
industrial
I'm,
assuming
I,
haven't
lived
in
Fallon
that
the
manner
of
use
changes
are
basically
where
you're
pumping
out
of
the
canal,
the
water,
your
lawn
as
a
quasi-municipal
but
I
think
some
some
explanation
of
that
might
be
necessary.
Thank
you.
A
Of
the
committee
Kyle
Mr,
Orrick,
Mr
I'm,
sorry
yeah,
Mr
Walker,
so
with
besides
that,
are
you
still
are
you
supported
the
bill?
Otherwise,.
J
Try
to
put
our
concerns
into
the
bill
if
they're
accepted
we
would,
you
know
we
would
be
neutral
or
support
the
bill.
Okay,.
A
K
Chair
members
of
the
committee
Kyle
rorank,
with
a
Great
Basin
water
Network,
we
oppose
ab325,
who
we
know
are
lots
of
farmers
out
there
who
who
keep
good
records
and
they
would
also
like
exemptions
from
from
NRS
and
I.
Think
this
could
just
become
a
slippery
slope
where
we
could
have
people
lining
up
year
after
year.
Saying
hey,
we
won
an
exemption.
We
want
an
exemption,
so
I
think
that's
just
something
to
be
concerned
about
I
think
we
also
have
to
take
into
consideration.
K
What
many
of
you
have
said
is
that
this
is
about
funding
dwr
and
you
know
I
think
we
we
really
all
need
to
be
getting
on
the
bandwagon
and
not
changing
statute,
because
some
of
those
issues
we
need
to
be
just
doing
the
work
and
and
have
consistency.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
a
moment
to
Lobby
on
that
front
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Patrick,
Donnelly
with
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
This
is
not
the
first
bill.
This
committee
has
heard
where
someone
has
said
the
state
Engineer's
office
is
not
able
to
respond
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
we
need
to
change
the
law.
That
does
not
seem
like
the
appropriate
response
to
delays
in
action
from
the
state
Engineer's
Office.
It
seems
like
they
need
more
personnel,
and
you
know
to
read
briefly
from
the
NRS
533025.
Water
belongs
to
the
public.
L
The
water
of
all
sources
of
water
supply
within
the
boundaries
of
the
state,
whether
above
or
beneath
the
surface
of
the
ground,
belongs
to
the
public.
The
state
engineer
is
the
Public's
agent
for
administering
that
water.
This
bill
would
transfer
the
jurisdiction
and
authority
over
water
over
the
Public's
water
within
a
given
area
to
local
control,
while
locals
should
have
input
on
the
management
of
water
that
water
is
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
state
and
must
remain
that
way.
So
we
must
oppose
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
will
Adler
representing
Pyramid
Lake
Paiute
Tribe
for
the
record.
Pyramid
Lake
would
have
to
come
in
an
opposition
on
AV
325
as
well,
just
because
the
the
premise
of
the
law
or
the
the
bill
being
proposed
is
is
trying
to.
M
You
know,
solve
a
symptom
of
something
that
isn't
related
to
the
the
bill
itself,
which
is
again
we're
hearing
the
lack
of
Staffing
of
the
state
Engineer's
office,
but
Pyramid
Lake
in
particular,
to
have
to
oppose
this
bill
because
previous
change
applications
in
previous
water
right
uses,
specifically
in
the
Truckee
River
and
in
some
of
these
restricted
basins
as
we're
speaking
to
specifically,
the
Newlands
project,
have
already
been
deeded
against
by
Pyramid
Lake
and
actually
had
their
water
rights
put
into
question
or
noticed.
M
But
we
wouldn't
have
a
notification
of
these
change
applications
or
how
this
process
would
work.
If
this
went
forward,
because
the
temporary
change
applications
go
forward
without
any
notification,
whether
they
were
in
compliance
with
state
law
or
they
did
violate
previous
water
rights
or
the
senior
water
rights
chain
that
we
see
in
this
layer
cake
here
but
again
I.
M
We
would
be
supportive
of
some
way
to
do
sort
of
a
quick
change
application
or
some
documented
way
to
get
into
the
state
Engineer's
Office
to
relieve
some
of
these
symptoms
for
continual
change
applications
and
such
like
that,
but
the
lack
of
documentation,
the
lack
of
touching
the
state
at
all
and
this
process
would
leave
us
out
of
the
loop
or
not
be
able
to
know
what
is
going
on
in
our
backyard
as
per
said.
But
thank
you
for
hearing
me
today
and
sorry
for
that.
A
O
Adam
Sullivan
for
the
record,
Nevada
state
engineer,
so
this
is,
we
are
testifying
neutral
on
this
it.
This
is
a
this
is
a
good
concept
and
I
want
to
walk
through
or
make
a
couple
points
about
why
tcid
is
is
really
a
special
case.
We
have
been
working
cooperatively
with
tcid
on
this
issue
over
a
number
of
years
of
how
did
how
to
streamline
what
we
do
as
a
state,
Engineer's
Office,
what
tcid
does
and
what
we
need
to
do
to
to
be
to
do
our
job
for
the
water
users.
O
But
in
this
case
this
is
what
we
do
for
tcid
mapping
and
temporary
change.
Apps
is
something
that
we
is
really.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
small
discrepancies
in
mapping
in
the
mapping
that
we
have
versus
the
mapping
that
tcid
has
and-
and
that's
where,
the
that's,
what
we're
trying
to
address
here.
Rather
it's
it's,
it's
that's
the
problem
and
as
far
as
well,
let
me
move
on
an
important
Point
here.
O
Is
that
tcid,
as
the
only
Federal,
Irrigation
District
in
the
state,
has
this
the
Special
Rule
and
without
going
into
in
much
detail
to
to
make
this
change
would
make?
O
Would
allow
them
to
operate
just
like
all
the
other
irrigation
districts
within
the
state
and
it's
kind
of
one
of
the
purposes
for
an
Irrigation
District
that
once
that
surface
water
enters
the
district,
they
have
some
Authority
and
responsibility
to
move
the
water
around
within
the
district
for
efficiency
as
needed,
and
so
this
would
allow
tcid
to
to
work
just
like
all
other
irrigation
districts
in
the
state.
O
Sorry
I
have
a
lot
of
scribble
notes
from
from
the
testimony
and
and
I'll
just
make
a
couple
points
from
from
my
perspective
this
this
bill
would
there
would
still
maintain
the
appropriate
level
of
oversight
both
from
the
from
the
state,
as
well
as
from
the
Bureau
of
Reclamation,
and
it
could
be
done
within
the
terms
of
the
the
decrees
that
govern
water
distribution
for
tcid
and
it's
something
that
would
add
it
would
reduce
redundancy
and
would
add
government
efficiency.
Thank
you.
O
A
So
are
you
does
that
have
to
do
with
the
notice
or
with.
P
Good
evening,
Michelin
Fairbank
for
the
record,
so
yeah,
so
current
law
and
current
statute
provides
that
temporary
applications,
so
those
applications
that
are
for
one
year
or
less
are
not
required
to
be
published
unless
the
state
engineer
makes
a
finding
that
it
implicates
the
public
interest.
P
So
as
a
matter
of
course,
these
change
applications
that
we
have
within
the
Truckee
Carson
Irrigation
District
they're,
just
a
lot
of
times,
they're
just
movements
between
Farm
units,
a
lot
of
other
just
kind
of
unique
things
that
happen
within
irrigation
districts
all
throughout
Nevada,
whether
you're
talking
about
the
Walker
River,
Irrigation,
District,
Pershing,
County,
Irrigation,
District,
money,
muddy
river,
so
so
those
typically
aren't
published.
So
it
doesn't.
This
legislation
doesn't
change
the
status
of
how
things
are
typically
done.
P
What
it
does
is
just
basically
does
what
we
said
is
it
provides
tcid
on
that
equal
footing
as
all
the
other
irrigation
districts
that
they're
managing
the
water
within
their
district
and
we're
not
having
to
sign
off
on
every
change,
because
we
do
have
these
discrepancies
on
mapping,
and
so
it
does
become
a
very
time-consuming
process
that
is,
is
onerous
for
all.
Everyone
involved.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
I
think
if
you
could
make
sure
the
way
I
heard
this
is
correct.
Every
Irrigation
District
manages
the
water
within
that
District
without
doing
change.
Applications
to
the
state
engineer,
except
for
the
Newlands
project,.
O
A
A
C
That
really
brought
everybody
too.
A
certain
awake
chair
in
closing
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things
first
of
all,
I
appreciate
the
last
clarification
from
our
water
master
or
water
engineer,
and
that
this
is
actually
bringing
tcid
somewhat
on
equal
footing
to
the
other
water
districts.
Second,
I
want
to
say
I'm
very
disappointed
in
those
that
spoke
in
opposition
I
have
an
open
door
policy.
C
As
to
the
one
question
on
the
codification
of
water
rights,
I
would
offer
to
legal
to
answer
the
question.
Since
it's
in
the
chapter
that
deals
with
surface
waters,
why
would
it
have
to
be
codified
again
if
it's
in
that
chapter
would
be
my
question
to
legal
to
answer?
Otherwise,
I
really
appreciate
the
time
and
I
think
we'll
be
seeing
more
of
each
other
real
soon.
C
C
Nevada
is
blessed
with
an
abundance
of
Wildlife,
and
this
bill
will
help
us
manage
wildlife
and
wildlife
habitat
for
future
generations
to
enjoy.
The
Genesis
of
this
bill
came
about
from
a
conversation.
I
recently
had
with
the
fellow
assemblyman
Toby
York
of
8019,
an
assemblyman
Howard
watts
of
8015.
C
and
their
desires
to
address
some
of
the
issues
dealing
with
habitats
and
the
cumbers.
Some
of
the
what
cumbersome
process
that
we
have
going
forward.
I
have
with
me
today.
It's
you
may
recognize
them
former
Senator
Chris
Brooks,
who
will
be
assisting
me
and
I,
would
like
for
him
to
give
a
few
statements
before
I
actually
go
into
the
bill
itself.
R
Thank
you,
assemblyman
O'neill,
and
thank
you,
chair
Cohen
and
members
of
the
natural
resources
committee,
I'm
Chris
Brooks
for
the
record
and
I
was
a
senior
vice
president
of
Arabia
power
and
former
member
of
this
wonderful
committee
and
former
member
of
this
body
and
former
colleague
and
the
Assembly
of
assemblyman
O'neill
wonderful
to
be
here.
I
I
want
to
thank
assemblyman,
Uric
and
assemblyman
Watts
for
helping
kind
of
facilitate
the
introduction
of
this
bill
with
with
assemblyman
O'neill
I
feel
that
there's
a
great
need
for
for
this
particular
mechanism.
R
I,
come
to
this
this
this
subject
from
a
couple
of
different
places.
As
the
former
chair
of
Senate
finance
and
as
a
former
member
of
of
the
Senate
and
assembly
natural
resources,
committees,
I
saw
this
issue
and,
as
a
former
chair
of
the
interim
finance
committee
as
well,
I
saw
some
of
the
the
difficulties
in
in
facilitating
the
funding
of
habitat
and
wildlife
conservation
and
habitat
conservation
in
our
state.
But
it
really
it
really
came
to
light
when
I
I
left
the
the
legislature
and
to
rejoin
my
Private
Industry.
R
That
I
had
spent
the
last
30
years
in
and
that's
energy
when
we
are
developing
huge
projects
across
the
state
of
Nevada
and
renewable
energy.
Traditional
energy
mining
pipelines,
transmission
lines
are
are
using
tremendous
amounts
of
land
public
lands
across
the
state
of
Nevada
and
have
impacts
on
wildlife
habitat
and
on
the
wildlife
in
our
state
and
have
very
few
mechanisms
by
which
they
can
mitigate
some
of
those
impacts.
And
so
a
lot
of
other
states
and,
and
hopefully
deputy
director
go
shirt,
can
maybe
speak
to
this.
R
But
a
lot
of
other
states
have
these
accounts
that
they've
set
up
and
they
work
sort
of
similar
to
an
endowment
account
where
Industries
such
as
the
industry
I'm
in
that's.
The
renewable
energy
development
construction
industry
can
can
identify
opportunities
to
make
contributions
to
the
conservation
of
habitat
and
wildlife
in
our
state
and
can
contribute
to
a
fund,
and
then
that
fund
can
have
an
independent
body
that
then
determines
with
the
Department
of
Wildlife
on
how
habitat
and
habitat
and
actual
wildlife
and
the
wildlife
habitat
can
be
protected
and
enhanced
in
our
great
state.
R
And
currently
we
there
is
not
really
a
mechanism
by
which
to
do
that.
You
have
to
have
identify
an
exact
project,
an
exact
dollar
amount
and
then
work
that
through
the
Department
of
Wildlife
and
then
through
the
the
money
committees
and
and
have
that
fund.
One
project,
I
think
what
we
in
the
industry
and
I
think
what
we
in
Nevada
would
be
best
served
by
is
by
having
an
account
by
which
Industries
can
contribute
their
Monies
to
and
then
and
it
can
then
be.
R
And
I
am
glad
that
that
you
know
that
this
got
brought
forward
and
I
I
worked
with
our
former
director
of
of
Wildlife
and
a
former
deputy
director
of
the
Department
of
Wildlife
and
also
approached
president
Sandoval
at
the
University
of
Nevada
Reno,
about
a
concept
similar
to
this,
and
it
was
already
operating
in
parallel
with
our
former
directors
of
the
Department
of
Wildlife
and
to
see
the
the
new
director
Alan
Janae.
Take
this
up
as
well
as
his
Deputy.
R
It's
it's
really
I
think
it's
an
incredibly
important
and
yet
a
wonderful
opportunity,
and
just
to
kind
of
put
this
into
scale
the
scope
and
scale
there
are
tens
of
billions
of
dollars
in
in
just
the
next
few
years
of
energy
transmission,
mineral
development
and
and
renewable
energy
development
that
are
happening
that
will
take
place
in
the
state
of
Nevada
and
I.
Think
it
is
it
is.
R
It
is
urgent
and
imperative
that
our
state
come
up
with
a
mechanism
by
which
they
can
take
full
advantage
of
that
energy
development
and
of
that
that
transmission
and
development
in
our
state
and
to
the
benefit
of
Wildlife
and
habitat
for
for
future
Generations
in
our
state,
and
it's
coming
whether
we
have
a
way
to
take
advantage
of
it
or
not.
And
as
a
and
as
a
representative
of
my
company
who's
in
that
industry.
I
think
that
we
are
looking
for
ways
that
we
can
help
the
habitat
and
the
wildlife
in
our
state.
C
C
The
bill
requires
the
Department
of
Wildlife
to
administer
the
program
and
authorizes,
but
does
not
require
the
department
to
contract
with
the
Community
Foundation
of
Northern
Nevada
to
assist
in
the
administration
of
the
program,
including
without
limitation.
The
collection
of
donations
for
the
program,
in
addition
to
any
direct
legislative
appropriation,
the
department
May
apply
for
and
accept
any
gift,
Grant
bequest
or
donation
for
deposit
in
the
account
and
use
by
the
program.
C
Sorry,
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program
account,
including
without
limitation,
a
the
number
of
donations
and
total
value
of
each
donation
during
the
immediate
preceding
calendar
year,
B
the
total
amount
of
any
grants
of
money
received
by
the
department
for
deposit
in
the
account
during
the
immediate
preceding
calendar
year,
C
the
total
amount
of
money
received
by
the
program,
the
amount
of
money
expended
from
the
account
and
a
description
of
each
project
for
which
the
money
was
spent.
Nd
any
recommendation
concerning
legislation
to
improve
the
program.
C
Okay,
moving
to
section
four,
originally
the
bill
created
a
five-member
board
of
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program.
I've
submitted
an
amendment
that
I
have
should
be
up
on
Nellis
by
now.
The
amendment
would
reduce
the
number
of
board
members
from
five
to
three
removing
two
members
appointed
by
the
legislative's
leadership.
C
As
you
know,
the
larger
the
board,
the
more
unwieldy
it
becomes,
a
smaller
board,
will
only
reduce
also
reduce
costs
for
the
board
anything
associated
with
their
activities.
The
board
will
be
comprised
of
an
appointee
by
the
Governor
from
a
field
related
to
management
of
wildlife.
Another
member
of
the
board
by
the
chairman
of
the
Wildlife
Commission,
with
a
background
in
rangeland
or
management
of
wildlife.
C
The
board
is
charged
with
advising
the
department
on
the
expenditure
of
money
in
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program
account
and
section
four
also
sets
forth
certain
parameters
for
the
operation
of
the
board.
At
its
first
meeting
of
each
year,
the
member
of
the
board
shall
elect
a
chair,
Who
Shall
Serve.
Until
the
next
chair
is
elected,
the
board
shall
meet
as
necessary
at
the
call
of
the
chair.
C
With
that
being
there
there
is
the
current
physical
note
from
the
Department
of
Wildlife
was
submitted.
The
note
States,
the
department
will
be
receiving
revenue
from
the
program.
However,
the
impact
cannot
be
determined
at
this
time.
C
From
my
understanding
and
from
my
intent
of
the
bill
itself,
the
expenses
of
those
three
board
members
will
be
paid
for
out
of
the
funds
being
contributed
to
the
account.
So
there
should
be
no
direct
impact
to
the
Department
of
Wildlife
additionally
and
I.
Think
you'll
hear
from
people
that
come
forward.
I've
got
some
friends
here.
Believe
it
or
not,
that
will
speak
on
behalf
that
there
are
current
employees
of
the
Department
of
Wildlife
that
are
handling
other
committees.
That
are
also
could
take
this
on.
A
C
Think
she
is
here
for
the
to
be
my
one
of
my
three
friends
to
call
up
for
unless
she
would
like
to
make
a
statement.
S
To
say
anything
since
I'm,
testifying
in
in
neutral
for
this
bill,
I,
would
just
like
to
request
that
yeah
I'm,
just
called
upon
for
questions
as
to
the
administration
of
the
fund
on
behalf
of
the
Community
Foundation.
Okay,.
S
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
the
bill
assemblyman.
You
have
plenty
of
friends.
Sometimes
we
might
pass
a
little
bit,
but
we're
friends,
I
hope
so,
actually
one
the
question
I
wanted
to
first
ask
is
to
Mr
Brooks.
F
So
you
know
I
appreciate
some
of
the
background
that
you
provided
on
this
I
remember
when
we
served
on
interim
finance
committee
together
and
had
to
deal
with
the
constant
items
around
donations
and
grants
to
the
Department
of
Wildlife,
including
in
severe
drought
situations.
Other
emergencies
where
those
items
were
waiting
for
approval,
while
Wildlife
were
at
risk
and
sportsman
groups
were
ready
to
go
the
money.
F
The
funds
were
there
and
we
became
a
hang
up
in
the
process
and
I
believe
we
worked
on
some
legislation,
particularly
around
some
of
those
emergency
situations,
to
try
and
prevent
cases
like
that
from
happening
in
the
moving
forward.
I
I
guess
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
about
that.
You
that
you
and
I
also
have
some
experience
with
is
the
clean
energy
fund
or
green
bank.
So
it's
a
state-created
entity,
but
it's
a
non-profit
entity,
so
it
has
a
board.
F
That's
kind
of
prescribed
in
statute,
but
after
that,
it's
not
administered
as
another.
As
most
State
budgets
are
it's
kind
of
its
own
entity.
You
can
appropriate
some
funds.
You
can
have
some
reporting
and
some
transparency
back
to
the
state,
but
they
have
a
little
bit
more
autonomy
when
it
comes
to
any
staffing,
some
of
the
programmatic
and
being
able
to
just
take
some
of
those
donations
and
move
money
around
without
always
having
to
come
back
to
IFC.
F
So
I
guess
I
wanted
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context
to
members
about
kind
of
what
some
of
those
arrangements
can
look
like.
But
to
put
it
into
a
question.
Is
that
something
that
you
kind
of
see
is
that
it's
using
one
of
the
alternative
Arrangements
that
we
kind
of
have
for
setting
up
entities
in
the
state
that
would
provide
the
flexibility
to
receive
donations
without
having
to
wait
to
allow
some?
You
know
for
anonymous
donors
to
give
contributions.
F
R
Thank
you,
assemblyman
Watts,
that's
exactly
the
need,
the
need,
the
need
from
the
ability
to
be
flexible
and
rapid
and
and
how
you
evolve:
conservation,
habitat
conservation
and
Wildlife
Conservation
projects,
but
also
the
need
to
be
able
to
accept
you
know
sometimes
Anonymous
donations
and
that
from
donors
and
to
have
those
be
able
to
be
accepted
without
necessarily
having
a
program
attached
to
them
and
so
I
think
both
of
those
things
and-
and
you
use
the
drought
conditions,
and
we
both
saw
that
happen
in
real
life,
and
it
was
you
know,
kind
of
frustrating
and
heartbreaking,
and
this
I
think
would
alleviate
that
and
you
use
a
good
example
of
the
the
clean
energy
fund,
but
also
there's
the
the
dream.
F
Thank
you
for
that
and
then
I
think.
So
the
concept
is
again
because
this
is
kind
of
a
separate
entity
that
the
Community
Foundation
would
help
do
the
administration
of
accepting
those
gifts
of
managing
kind
of
the
balances
and
and
do
that
interface
work
again,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
figure
out
how
we
get
a
employee
kind
of
staffed
up
over
there.
F
So
instead
there's
a
partnership
with
the
Community
Foundation,
where
they
basically
will
handle
that
administrative
workload
and
and
kind
of
serve
as
a
fiscal
sponsor
and
have
kind
of
a
fiscal
sponsor
type
arrangement.
I
guess
that
might
be
for
the
Community
Foundation
is
that
is
that
kind
of
how
the
administration
is
envisioned.
S
That
would
be
correct.
Yes,
so
we
would,
you
know,
help
administer
any
grants
from
the
from
the
fund.
We
would
help
to
accept
any
gifts
to
the
fund,
whether
that
would
be
from
you
know,
an
entity
or
an
individual,
so
the
foundation
being
a
501c3
nonprofit
ourselves.
S
Any
fund
established
with
us
is
also
considered
charitable
entity.
So
any
donations
made
to
the
fund
would
be
would
qualify
for
charitable
deduction.
So
you
know
we
would
provide
gift
letters
for
tax
purposes.
Things
like
that.
G
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd,
like
to
play
on
my
colleague's
last
question,
and
certainly
I
can
understand
how
that
this
program
would
is
designed
to
bring
in
additional
resources
through
Anonymous
donations
and
what
not
to
make
those
resources
more
readily
available
to
be
more
efficiently
and
timely,
distributed
in
times
of
need.
R
Thank
you,
Chris
Brooks
for
the
record,
I
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
goes
into
creating
a
work
program,
for
instance
like
when
what
it
did
to
get
to
the
place
that
it
finally
got
to
the
the
money
Committees
of
the
Nevada
legislature,
but
once
that
happens
that
process,
if
it
is
even
approved
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
brought
forward
it
could
take
months
and
and
at
at
least
at
the
absolute
best
case
scenario,
is
a
30-day
program
and
but
a
lot
of
that
work.
R
T
Thank
you,
Jordan
goshert,
for
the
record
deputy
director
with
the
Nevada
Department
of
Wildlife.
So
by
the
time
we
receive
a
donation,
we
have
to
meet
the
deadlines
to
get
on
the
IFC,
which
typically
is
a
month
or
a
month
and
a
half
before
the
IFC
meeting,
and
then
we
have
to
wait
for
IFC
to
approve
it
before
we
can
spend
it.
So
sometimes
it
is
three
months
or
more.
Sometimes
we
don't
meet
that
next
IFC
deadline.
So
then
we're
waiting
to
the
one
after
that,
so
it
could
be
quite
a
while.
G
And
thank
you
for
that
explanation
and
I.
Don't
know
if
this
would
go
to
our
other
presenter
here
today
or
the
and
I
apologize
I
forgot
her
name.
What
would
we
anticipate
if
a
request
came
in
under
this
sort
of
program?
What
that
timeline
could
theoretically
be
reduced
to
to
deploy
those
resources
more
efficiently.
S
Sure
so,
under
the
Community
Foundation
Administration
we
would
we
run
two
grand
cycles
per
year.
However,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
run
emergency
Grant
Cycles,
so
basically
as
soon
as
this
proposed
board
or
committee
could
review
an
emergency
request
and
either
approve
or
deny
it
in
full
or
in
part.
It
takes
about
about
two
weeks
for
us
to
get
a
history,
a
check,
distribution
out
from
the
date
that
a
grant
is
is
approved.
So
it's
it's
quite
fast.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
I.
Think
it's
an
important
one
and
I
appreciate
that
you
are
working
on
this,
so
I
have
a
comment
and
then
a
question.
So
my
comment
is
just
on
the
makeup
of
the
board:
I
actually
liked
it
at
five
I
I
personally
think
three
might
be
a
little
small
and
I.
H
Think
that
says
a
history
teacher
I,
don't
think
threes,
whether
we
look
at
the
Troika
or
the
triumvirate
ended
well
so
I
think
five
is
a
is
a
good
number,
but
my
question
is
on
page
three
with
the
the
Community
Foundation
of
Northern
Nevada,
specifically
and
I
notice,
that
we
are
putting
this
foundation
in
statute
and
so
I
wondered.
If
you
could
just
speak
to
one,
why
were
they
chosen
specifically
and
two?
Why
do
we
need
to
name
them
specifically,
instead
of
just
saying
they
may
contract
with
a
non-profit.
T
Jordan
goshert
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We
currently
work
with
the
Northern
Nevada
Community
Foundation,
with
the
dream
tag
program
and
it's
very
successful,
so
we
wanted
to
put
their
name
in
here
as
that
we
we
may
contract
with
them.
The
partnership
with
them
has
been
great
so
far.
C
And
pkonia
for
the
record
chair
to
you
and
through
assembly
woman
LaRue
hedge,
about
the
reduction,
you
know,
I
respectfully
submit
this
and
I
go
back
to
some
women
watch.
We
joke
around.
We
tumble
a
little
bit
I
arm
wrestle
with
the
speaker,
even
not
sure
who
won
that
arm
wrestling
contest
by
the
way,
but
I
didn't
want
this
bill
or
this
committee
to
become
political.
C
Currently
now,
both
both
houses
have
majority.
There
was
appointed
by
the
speaker
and
then
in
the
Senate
are
Democrat
I,
don't
want
the
bill
or
the
committee
to
become
political
in
any
fashion
form
or
fashion,
and
that's
why
I
was
looking
at
that
balance
to
remove
them
from
there
plus
I've
been
on
small
committees
Even
in
our
state
ethics
commission.
C
It
was
difficult
sometimes
to
get
the
scheduling
of
our
five
to
six
members
that
we
needed
to
have
a
Committee
hearing
so
which
was
the
other
reason
why
I
went
and
I
was
looking
at
the
expense.
I.
Don't
want
money
going
that
people
donate
to
do
these
worthwhile
programs
going
to
the
administration
part
of
it?
It's
one
thing:
I
always
look
at
before.
I
donate
money
is
what
are
the
administrative
costs
versus
what
goes
to
the
program
itself,
so
I
respectfully
I
understand
your
position,
but
those
are
My
reasonings
for
it
currently.
Thank
you.
H
So
I'm
actually
going
to
follow
up
to
the
the
Community
Foundation
and
so
I
recognize
that
they're
a
great
partner.
My
question
is:
if
we
put
them
in
statute
and
then
something
happens,
and
they
don't
exist
anymore
or
they're,
less
of
a
great
partner.
For
some
reason,
what
is
our
recourse?
Because
now
we
have
to
wait
for
us
to
come
back
and
then
change
that.
T
U
Thank
you,
chair
seems
like
a
pretty
broad
definition
for
preservation,
protection
management
or
restoration,
wildlife
and
wildlife
habitats.
What's
the
perceived
use
for
these
funds,
are
there
any
parameters
or
is
it
just?
Somebody
comes
up
with
an
idea
and
present
it
and
have
a
grant
and
keep
going
kind
of
like
the
the
Predator
control
thing
people
throw
grants
at
it.
Is
that
or
well
that's
my
train
of
thought.
Excuse
me.
People
come
up
with
programs
and
then
come
to
you
to
do
it,
or
is
the
department
going
to
set
the
parameters.
R
This
is
Chris
Brooks
for
the
record
in
conversations
in
our
initial
kind
of
thought,
process
of
what
kind
of
led
to
the
frustration,
not
frustration,
that's
probably
not
the
best
term,
but
the
opportunities
that
would
exist.
All
sorts
of
of
projects
were
envisioned
and
I.
Think
it
was.
R
You
know,
from
a
guzzler
for
for
bighorn
sheep
to
you
know
a
habitat
restoration,
whether
it
be
like
opinion,
Juniper
mitigation
or
invasive
species,
removal
all
the
way
to
actual
like
Wildlife
corridors
and
and
Improvement
of
wildlife,
corridors
for
big
game
and
so
I
think
it's
anything
that's
within
the
purview
of
the
Nevada
Department
of
Wildlife
under
their
responsibility,
anything
that
they
would
identify
or
the
board
in
conjunction
with
them,
would
identify
as
projects
and
in
in
its
current
form.
R
For
instance,
if
I
as
an
energy
developer,
wanted
to
I
I'm,
making
impacts
on
the
land
and
I
want
to
not
through
a
negotiation
or
a
settlement,
but
through
a
a
donation
wanted
to
make
some
sort
of
an
improvement
to
Habitat.
Let's
say
I
wanted
to
improve
Sage
Grouse
habitat
I
would
have
to
identify
the
exact
project.
U
I
think
that
answers
my
question
but
I'm
not
sure
I'm
concerned
about
the
broad
scope
in
here
and
how
wide
it
is
protection,
everything
else
and
then
also
as
a
follow-up
is
the
federal
government
and
most
of
the
habitat
belongs
to
the
feds
and
so
I
guess.
That's
got
to
be
worked
through
with
the
department
and
how
that
goes.
I
guess
you
can't
answer
my
question.
Thank
you.
C
V
It
sounds
like
we're:
creating
a
contribution
mechanism
where
we
can
accept
funds
from
the
general
population
that
are
not
fees
right,
not
right,
not
raising
revenue
but
making
it
voluntary
to
be
able
for
them
to
invest
in
the
areas
that
are
important
for
them,
that
we
can
then
direct
toward
habitat
maintenance
and
other
projects,
but
that
we
are
a
non-profit
entity.
So
those
contributions
are
then
tax,
deductible
through
a
501c3
and
can
be
utilized
to
draw
down
additional
federal
dollars.
Do
I.
Have
it.
V
A
C
C
It's
my
understanding,
though
this
couldn't
be
because
it's
set
up,
although
it's
still
an
account,
that's
within
endow
it's
a
special
account
on
donations
for
specific
purposes
as
designated
here
in
NRS,
and
would
not
be
subject
to
that
ability.
Since
there
are
no
fees,
it's
donations,
it
would
not
be
swept
and
I'd
be
happy
to
put
that
as
a
Amendment
to
the
statute,
to
make
it
very
clear
if
legal
says
it's
necessary,
because
it
is
a
very
sensitive
point
that
historically
I've
had
issues
with.
So
thank
you,
chair
for
bringing
that
forward.
R
Is
Chris
Brooks
for
the
record
and
section
three
sub
five?
It
says
that
any
interest
income
earned
on
money
in
the
account
after
deducting
any
applicable
charges,
may
be
credited
to
the
account
any
money
remaining
in
the
account
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
does
not
revert
to
the
state
general
fund
and
the
balance
of
the
account
must
be
carried
forward
to
the
next
fiscal
year.
A
Okay,
all
right
well
I,
think
get
an
answer
from
legal
at
some
point
and
just
to
double
check,
because
I'm
I'm
talking
about
like
when
there's
a
financial
emergency,
not
just
in
an
ordinary
course
of
those
regular.
You
know
yearly
turnovers,
but
I
do
have
a
question
from
assembly
member
Hanson.
W
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
this
conversation
just
brought
to
mind.
Maybe
a
question
or
a
comment,
and
thank
you
for
being
here:
I
I
intrigued
by
the
the
creativity
of
of
this
and
and
feel
very
optimistic
in
regards
to
the
sweep
and
if
we're
going
to
have
legal
look
into
it
as
I
recall
in
2011.
W
Because
of
the
budget
crisis,
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
sweep
that
was
done
by
the
executive
branch.
But
then
the
court
had
to
intervene
and
I
think
it
was
found
to
be
not
constitutional.
So
I'm
not
sure.
Maybe
it
may
be
history's
not
serving
me
right,
but
it
would
seem
that
maybe
legal
can
check
for
us
that
maybe
we
have
a
precedence
that
that
couldn't
be
done,
but
I'd
like
to
be
reminded
if
I'm
right
or
wrong
yeah.
Q
A
little
bit
of
History
back
when
that
occurred,
I
was
serving
as
chair
of
the
minerals
commission
and
a
number
of
the
accounts
of
the
division
of
minerals
were
swept,
so
a
sweep
did
occur,
but
some
accounts
were
swept
other
accounts
weren't,
depending
on
how
they
were
established,
at
least
for
the
division
of
minerals.
I
can't
speak
to
other
divisions
or
departments.
C
Chair,
if
I,
if
I
made
PK
O'neill
for
the
record
to
assembly
woman
Hanson,
my
experiences
were
both
as
a
division
Chief,
they
all
came
from
fees.
When
we
had
fees,
we
were
putting
money
aside
to
reinvest
into
our
technology,
I.T
programs
in
the
state
which
this
was
an
early
2000
which
were
in
dire
need
and
we're
still
working
on
today
in
the
Department
of
Public
Safety.
Additionally,
our
motorcycle
safety
fees,
which
were
paid
by
those
that
have
motorcycle
endorsements,
were
swept
into
the
general
fund
and
damaged
the
motorcycle
safety
course.
C
U
U
R
Chris
Brooks
for
the
record,
I
think
that
this
is,
if
you
go
to
section
F,
where
it
adds
the
Nevada
Wildlife
section
one
Sub
sub
F,
where
it
adds
the
the
Nevada
conservation
program
account
to
that
list
of
Revenue
sources.
That
then
get
deposited
into
this
with
the
state
treasurer
for
the
credit
to
the
wildlife
account.
So
I
think
it
has
fees,
remittance,
Appropriations
and
then,
additionally,
all
other
sources,
so
I
think
each
one
of
those
sources
would
be
treated
separately
based
upon
the
type
of
Revenue
that
they
are.
R
C
Chair
of
pique
O'neill
for
the
record
to
you
in
three
two
assemblyman
gurr.
If
you
look
we're
only
adding
what's
in
I
the
Bold
italicize
there
included
in
there
so
and
then
it
goes
down
to
where
they
will
be.
So
it's
not
from
sales
of
hunting
licenses
duck
tags
Etc,
it's
just
the
addition
of
this
and
that'll,
be
a
line.
Item
or
budget
item
within
the
state
account.
Okay,
thank.
C
W
You,
madam
chair,
I,
I,
really
didn't
even
have
any
questions
until
I
heard
the
conversations
based
on
my
colleague,
assemblyman
ger's
question
about
state
general
fund
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
took
my
notes
right
because
I
pride
myself
on
my
notes,
I
had
put
down
when
you
were
going
over.
Mr
I
mean
assemblyman
O'neill.
The
section
you
had
said
section,
one
conforming
change
to
provide
for
money
received
by
endow
is
not
required
to
be
deposited
in
the
general
fund.
Is
that?
W
C
Pk
O'neill
for
the
record
chair
to
you
and
through
to
assemblywoman
Hanson
I,
have
my
notes.
I'll
reread
section.
One
makes
a
conforming
change
to
provide
that
money
received
by
Nevada's
Department
of
Wildlife
for
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program
account
is
not
required
to
be
deposited
and
the
wildlife
account
in
the
state
general
fund.
Okay,.
X
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Kyle
Davis
today,
on
behalf
of
the
Coalition
for
Nevada's
Wildlife.
We're
happy
to
be
here
today
in
support
of
ab349,
appreciate,
assemblyman
O'neill
for
bringing
the
bill
forward.
X
Many
Sportsman's
organizations
that
we
work
with
give
Millions
dollars
in
thousands
of
man-hours
to
the
Department
of
Wildlife,
to
support
our
Wildlife
Resources,
and
certainly
our
organizations
are
and
many
times
the
first
that
are
called
in
times
of
emergency
like
you've
heard
about
today.
So
anything
we
can
do
that's
going
to
make
that
process
a
little
bit
easier
and
be
able
to
get
that
money
on
the
ground
faster
to
help
our
Wildlife
Resources,
we're
certainly
going
to
be
in
supportive.
Thank
you.
Y
For
the
record,
I'm
Pam
Harrington
was
trout,
Unlimited
Madam,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
Tu
supports
ab349
and
I
have
to
say
in
my
career
I've
had
challenges,
trying
to
Cobble
together
lots
of
money
to
get
a
project
done
and
anything
that
will
streamline,
reduce
the
red
tape
where
you
can
get
the
Stars
to
align,
we're
all
for
it.
So
I
hope
that
endow
can
push
us
forward
and
do
a
great
job
for
all
of
us,
and
particularly
that
section
one
provision
that
allows
them
to
hold
these
monies
in
the
wildlife
conservation
program
account.
Y
That's
brilliant
I
mean
it
allows
them
to
be
nimble
because,
with
all
these
other
deadlines,
you
have
to
get
this
money
together
to
leverage
and
you're
not
doing
your
job.
If
you
don't
leverage
the
money,
it's
just
the
way
it
is
so
we're
supportive
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you
guys
do
for
us.
Thank
you.
M
Luke
will
Adler
for
the
record
representing
Pyramid
Lake
Paiute
Tribe.
Today,
Pyramid
Lake
would
like
to
be
in
full
support
of
AB
349.
M
As
to
date,
there's
been
many
Cooperative
projects
between
the
state
and
tribal
Nations
to
get
additional
guzzler
projects
and
Bighorn
sheeps
reintroduced
to
ranges
and
I
think
having
additional
funds
and
additional
Avenues
to
receive
those
funds
and
additional
flexibility
to
have
Nevada
not
miss
out
on
any
of
those
funds
is
key
for
going
forward
with
the
best
mind
possible
to
try
and
you
know,
fix
as
many
problems
as
possible,
so
I
think
as
someone
PK
O'neill
for
bringing
this
forward
and
please
support
ab349.
Z
Karen
Boger
for
the
record
Boe
g-e-r,
representing
Nevada
chapter
of
backcountry
hunters
and
Anglers,
chair
Cohen
and
natural
resource
committee
members,
Nevada
BHA,
urges
you
to
support
this
bill.
Establishing
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program,
as
initially
worded.
I'll
speak
to
the
amendment.
After
after
this,
the
ACT
provides
a
needed
structure
for
endow
to
accept
large
size
gifts,
grants
endowments,
along
with
the
flexibility
for
those
Monies,
to
contribute
directly
through
and
out
purposeful
projects.
So
that
seems
to
me
efficient,
effective
saving,
time
and
costs.
Z
The
dream
tag
has
already
provided
a
precedence
for
governance
of
the
program.
The
benefits
of
this
program
to
our
wildlife
and
habitat
are
both
Statewide
and
diverse,
and
so
there's
nothing
to
be
lost
there.
But,
as
Pam
mentioned,
the
essential
key
to
the
function
and
flexibility
of
the
program.
Is
that
section
one
provision
that
the
monies
that
are
received
by
endow
for
the
program
account
are
not
required
to
be
deposited
in
the
wildlife
account
in
the
general
fund
in
its
original
language?
Z
Z
You
could
take
this
session
in
our
opinion,
and
we
urge
you
to
do
so
as
to
the
amendment
honestly,
I
just
had
since
I
don't
have
my
board
here,
and
we
would
really
like
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
our
endow
people
that
we
seek
their
opinions
on
to
see
just
how
they
feel
about
that,
because
I
can
see
pluses
and
minuses
to
this
amendment
I
mean,
as
is,
it
seems
like
it's,
maybe
more
bipartisan
simplified
makes
it
maybe
easier
to
get
decisions
done
so
we're
remaining
neutral
on
the
amendment
language.
A
Miss
bugger
under
the
Community
rules,
I'm
gonna
put
you
down
as
opposition,
because
well
no,
no,
no!
It's
under
the
Community
under
the
committee
rules,
it's
okay!
Just
because
if
you're
not
completely
in
agreement
with
the
bill
is
presented,
it's
you
know
it's
technically
opposition,
but
it
will
certainly
reflect
that.
You
are
greatly
in
support
of
the
concept
and
are
just
going
back
to
your
board
on
the
amendment
and
and
chewing
over
the
amendment.
Oh.
A
H
A
It's
I
I
think
it
doesn't
necessarily
matter
because
it
will
reflect
that
you're
in
great
support
of
the
concept.
Okay
and
and
I
just
recommend
that
you
stay
in
touch
with
the
bill
sponsor.
But
if
you
do
want
to
let
the
committee
know
when
you're
all
100
on
board,
if
you
get
there
feel
free
to.
Let
us
know
thank.
AA
Please
go
ahead:
chair
Cohen
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
jaina
moan
and
I'm.
The
external
Affairs
director
for
The
Nature
Conservancy
in
Nevada,
The
Nature
Conservancy,
supports
ab349
to
create
Nevada,
Wildlife
Conservation
program
and
an
account
in
the
general
fund.
Nevada
is
one
of
the
few
western
states
that
lacks
a
dedicated
conservation
fund
to
support
things
like
wildlife
and
wildlife
habitat.
AA
The
creation
of
such
account
is
a
good
except
to
meeting
a
good
first
step
to
meeting
the
conservation
needs
for
our
state,
especially
as
we
see
greater
need
for
mitigation
from
energy
and
infrastructure
development.
Healthy
ecosystems
contribute
to
cleaner
air
and
water.
Nevada
is
fortunate
to
have
Rich
biodiversity
across
our
state.
Restoring
and
maintaining
habitat
for
Nevada's,
incredible
Wildlife
is
a
good
investment
for
our
future.
We
thank
the
bill
sponsors
for
bringing
this
forward
and
we
hope
that
you
will
support
ab349.
Thank
you
so
much
for
hearing
our
comment.
N
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Tina,
nappy
and
I.
Don't
know
when
I
have
been
so
excited
to
see
a
bill
before
you.
My
involvement,
primarily
with
non-game
Wildlife,
goes
back
to
the
1960s
when
Nevada
had
the
first
endangered
species
bill
passed
in
the
nation,
and
it
was
to
really
start
reigning
in
and
knowing
more
about
our
non-game
species.
N
But
there
has
been
no
way
for
somebody
modest,
more
modest,
like
me:
I'm,
not
an
energy
provider
to
really
help
support,
say
even
small
studies
of
birds
or
something
that's
that
Audubon
could
give
a
little
bit
of
money
to
or
the
Sierra
Club,
and
if
they
had
a
project
that
they
wanted
to
do.
There
has
been
absolutely,
from
my
perspective,
almost
no
way
that
we
could
contribute
to
the
Department
of
Wildlife,
except
by
buying
licenses,
and
since
many
of
us
are
not
Hunters
that
just
really
did
not
work
for
us.
N
So
this
provides
an
Avenue
and
I
I
mean
after
50
years
of
involvement.
I
can't
tell
you
how
excited
I
am
about
this
whole
aspect
because
it
reaches
out
to
smaller
organizations.
People
who
have
more
modest
means,
because
Department
of
Wildlife
could
say
we're
interested
in
doing
a
study
on
white-faced
ibis
I'm
very
concerned
about
why
I
faced
Ibis
and
we
need
some
funds
for
this
study.
Are
you
willing
to
help
so
I
am
in
favor
of
this,
whether
you
have
three
or
five
people
on
the
board
I'm
all
for
it.
Thank
you.
So
much.
AB
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
Michael
floors,
the
University
of
Nevada
Reno
I
want
to
think
the
bill
sponsor
and
Mr
Brooks
as
well
for
bringing
this
forward.
We
had
been
working
Mr
Brooks
since
last
year
on
this
concept
and
our
researchers
and
faculty
are
thrilled
about
the
potential
opportunities
here.
So
we
stand
in
full
support
of
ab349.
Thank
you.
AC
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Christy
Cabrera
georgeson
here
with
the
Nevada
conservation
league
in
strong
support.
Our
abundance
of
wildlife
is
what
make
art
makes
our
state
unique,
and
one
of
the
most
biodiverse
in
the
country.
Wildlife
is
also
really
crucial
to
our
outdoor
recreation
economy,
so
we're
all
for
protecting
them.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Patrick,
Donnelly
with
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
We
are
going
to
part
ways
with
our
conservation
allies
and
oppose
this
legislation.
While
we've
heard
a
lot
about
generous
gifts
being
made
to
the
state
to
manage
Wildlife,
this
bill
is
about
mitigating
large-scale
energy
production
and
Mining,
and
that
can
entail
millions
of
dollars
in
mitigation
fees
and
that
that
money
needs
to
be
strategically
deployed
by
the
agencies
to
mitigate
the
impacts
of
the
projects
being
mitigated,
and
so
a
political
board
should
not
be
the
ones
making
those
decisions.
L
Those
decisions
about
the
use
of
mitigation
money
should
be
left
in
the
hands
of
scientists
and
Wildlife
managers.
So
if
this
bill
is
going
to
create
a
mechanism
for
mitigating
large-scale
destruction
from
energy
and
Mining
projects,
then
there
needs
to
be
more
structure
put
in
place
so
that
those
decisions
are
made
on
a
scientific
basis
and
not
by
political
appointees.
Thank
you.
Casey.
A
T
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
chair
Cohen
and
committee
members.
I
am
Jordan
Gosher
deputy
director
of
the
Nevada
Department
of
Wildlife,
for
the
record.
I
am
here
today
to
testify
in
neutral
for
the
Department
of
Wildlife,
while
the
department
does
have
the
ability
to
collect
donations
through
the
wildlife
trust
fund,
large
amounts
of
money
dedicated
to
multiple
projects
over
multiple
years
would
be
handled
more
efficiently
through
a
conservation
program
as
established
by
this
bill.
Ab349,
this
program
is
organized
exclusively
for
charitable
donations
and
endowments
the
existing
Wildlife
trust
fund.
T
T
The
board
of
the
Nevada
Wildlife
Conservation
program
created
by
this
bill,
will
then
decide
the
purpose
of
the
funding
that
is
granted
to
the
Nevada
Department
of
Wildlife.
Having
a
board
allocate,
the
funding
separate
from
the
department
will
help
bring
diverse
perspectives
and
management
over
the
funding.
T
This
program
will
be
a
charitable
fund
administered
by
an
organization
such
as
the
Community
Foundation
of
Northern
Nevada
exempt
from
taxation
purposes
that
is
able
to
receive
Anonymous
donations
and
is
organized
to
provide
support
to
the
department
in
its
effort
to
preserve,
protect,
manage
and
restore
the
natural
resources
of
Nevada.
The
Department
of
Wildlife
has
a
long-standing
working
relationship
with
the
Community
Foundation
of
Northern
Nevada.
T
Through
the
dream
tag
program,
grants
from
the
program
that
are
distributed
to
the
department
will
enhance
its
ability
to
more
timely
react
to
threats
or
impacts
to
Natural
Resources,
while
also
providing
required
match
to
Federal
grant
funding.
The
department
sees
this
program
as
being
able
to
provide
a
steady
source
of
non-federal
funding
to
the
agency
over
time.
Other
states
have
used
programs
like
this
to
meet
their
Federal
match
requirement.
T
A
C
For
the
record,
PK
O'neill
chair,
looking
at
the
time,
I'm
standing
between
us
and
dinner,
so
I
will
try
to
make
this
very
quick.
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
this
time
and
for
the
consideration
on
this
bill.
I
think
you
heard
enough
from
us
and
also
from
those
in
support
on
the
value
this
bill
brings
to
you
and
brings
to
our
constituents
in
the
state
of
Nevada
today,
tomorrow
and
for
years
to
come.
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing.
The
one
part
about
nimbleness
of
this
is
what
we
all
look
for.
C
Government
has
been
known
for
years
to
be
a
stagnant
forever
taking
time
to
get
something
done,
and
for
some
of
that
is
for
a
good
reason
that
we
study
and
and
really
review
projects,
but
some
of
these,
when
we
talk
about
Wildlife
needs,
they
have
to
be
done
in
a
quick
and
efficient
manner.
This
bill
will
provide
for
that
ability
for
the
comment
about
this
bill
will
stifle
Mining
and
some
of
our
economic
growth
I
will
stand
on
my
record
and
say
to
you.
That
would
be
the
last
thing.
C
I
would
ever
bring
forward
word
to
you
right
now
when
mining
develops
before
they
break
ground,
they
have
to
talk
about
their
mitigation
once
their
mind
has
mined
out
and
that's
part
of
the
cost
of
doing
businesses
there.
They
have
it
set
aside
with
the
Department
of
mine
or
division
of
mining,
so
it
will
not
affect
any
of
the
mitigation
of
those
projects.
This
is
a
separate
project
to
deal
with
specific
issues
that
people
have
that
want
to
be
addressed
for
the
good
of
our
state
and
with
that
I
will.
A
Y
Pam
Harrington
for
the
record,
trout,
unlimited
and
I'll,
be
way
quicker
than
that.
I
just
want
to
personally
invite
you
to
the
Great
Basin
Brewery
for
our
kickoff
for
the
Nevada
Sportsman
caucus,
which
is
starting
up
again,
trying
to
limit
it
as
one
of
the
sponsors
we're
going
to
have
some
food
and
drink
and
conversations
it'll
be
great
to
see
you
there
and
thank
you
for
all.
You
do
and.
Z
It
starts
in
15
minutes
a
good
way
to
celebrate
getting
through
your
Monday,
so
we
really
hope
to
see
you
there
and
talk
about
the
meaning
of
the
caucus.
I
know
that
some
of
you
in
this
room
know
very
well
what
the
caucus
was
when
it
was
still
functioning
a
number
of
sessions
ago.
So
we'd
really
like
to
restart
that
I
think
this
is
a
great
time.
I
think
we
can
get
a
great
group
of
people
and
I
hope
many
of
you
sitting
right.
A
Z
Name,
oh
I
am
sorry
Karen
Boger
for
the
record,
just
speaking
for
myself
and
oh
well
actually
for
BHA
too,
because
we'll
be
there.
Thank
you
so
much
yes,.
AD
You
Miss
poker.
Please
go
ahead!
That
sounds
amazing.
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name's
Cecilia
demino
I,
recently
graduated
from
Harvard
University,
where
I
was
a
2021
sustainability.
Fellow
I've
returned
to
live
in
my
hometown,
Las
Vegas
I
live
in
8015
and
I
wanted
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
Bill
313.
Regarding
pit
Lakes
I'd,
like
my
comment
to
go
on
record
for
its
meeting.
AD
A
You
can
talk
generally
about
the
issue.
Okay,.
AD
That's
pretty
much
what
I
do
okay,
so
my
point
was
that
have
you
ever
been
at
a
park
or
public
beach
and
you
see
a
bunch
of
garbage
left
behind
and
you
think
didn't
anyone
ever
teach
these
slobs
to
clean
up
after
themselves.
Everyone
else
has
to
follow
the
rules
and
not
litter
like
what
makes
these
people
so
entitled
as
a
nevadan
I'm
personally
impacted
by
the
pit
Lakes
left
behind
by
mining
operations,
because
I
live
in
and
am
part
of
a
complex
ecosystem.