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A
A
Here
we
have
all
members
present,
we
have
a
quorum
before
we
start
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
housekeeping
announcements,
as
we
always
do
at
the
start
of
these
meetings.
Members
of
the
public
may
provide
testimony
in
a
variety
of
ways.
A
A
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order
to
provide
public
comment
or
testimony,
you
must
sign
up
in
advance
online.
You
can
also
submit
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polls
online.
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comments
can
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day
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include
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intent
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information.
A
We
ask
that
public
comments
and
testimony
be
kept
to
two
minutes
so
that
we
can
accommodate
all
speakers
and
get
through
our
agenda
in
a
timely
manner
and
again
for
members.
Please
remember
to
mute
yourselves
when
you
are
not
speaking
so
that
we
can
minimize
background
noise
with
that.
A
I
believe
we
can
go
on
to
our
agenda
today.
We
have
two
bill
hearings.
I
will
be
presenting
both
bills
and
we
are
going
to
go
in
order,
starting
with
assembly
bill
171,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
the
virtual
gavel
over
to
the
vice
chair
to
run
the
meeting.
While
I
present
these
measures.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Madame
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I
am
assemblyman
howard
watts,
representing
district
15
in
central
east,
las
vegas
and
clark
county.
It
is
my
honor
today
to
present
assembly
bill
171
for
the
committee's
consideration.
A
A
I
will
walk
you
through
the
the
content
of
this
measure,
as
well
as
the
amendment,
and
then
we
would
be
glad
to
take
any
questions
that
you
have.
One
thing
I
will
say
a
couple
things
that
I'll
say
just
to
start
off.
One
is
to
again
wanting
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
gathering
here
in
the
legislature
on
the
lands
of
the
washoe
people
who
were
displaced
from
it
and
who
have
served
as
its
stewards
for
countless
generations
now.
A
The
other
thing
that
I'd
like
to
say
briefly
on
on
this
particular
issue
is
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
know
some
of
the
the
co-presenters
for
this
bill
for
a
long
time.
A
I
consider
them
them
close
personal
friends
and
I've
had
the
ability
to
to
visit
basawabi
and
the
swamp
cedars
in
mr
ellison's
district,
and
that
is
why
it
was
so
important
for
me
to
bring
the
idea
to
the
public
lands
committee,
which
I
and
some
others
on
this
committee
sat
on
during
the
interim
to
try
and
increase
protection
and
assembly
bill
171
specifically
looks
to
increase
the
protection
that
is
available
at
the
state
level
for
this
special
place.
A
So
without
going
into
too
much
more
detail
myself,
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
my
co-presenters
and
joining
us.
Today.
We
have
delane
spillsberry,
we
have
rupert
steele
and
we
have
monty
sanford
and
I
don't
know
who
would
like
to
go
first,
if,
if
delane
would
like
to
go
first,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
start
there
yep,
okay,.
F
E
C
A
little
closer,
oh,
this
is
broadcast
okay,
it
looks
like
on
our
end.
It
just
says
the
bandwidth
is
low
and
that's
probably,
unfortunately,
on
ms
spillsberry's
end.
C
C
F
For
many
years,
the
confederated
tribes
of
the
ghost
chute
reservation,
the
elisha
shoshone
and
the
dugwater
shoshone
have
been
working
to
tell
an
important
story
about
our
heritage.
My
contribution
to
those
efforts
follow-
I
am
here
today
to
encourage
protection
of
what's
sacred
to
my
family
and
my
tribe.
F
The
spring
valley
stands
of
rocky
mountain
juniper,
known
locally
swamp,
cedars,
spiritually
and
culturally.
The
swamp
cedars
grow
within
an
area
referred
to
by
my
people
as
basawabi,
which
means
sacred
water.
In
our
new
language,
wasabi
was
an
important
meeting
place
for
the
nua
before
colonization
indigenous
peoples,
from
across
the
great
basin,
traveled
northern
wide
congregate
in
spring
valley.
It
was
a
place
for
prayer
celebration,
meditation,
medicine
and
rejuvenation,
and
that
remains
so
today
the
spiritual
and
cultural
past
swamp
cedars
represent
what
it
means
to
be
native
and
what
it
means
to
be
newer.
F
F
My
grandmother
was
one
of
two
children
who
survived
the
last
massacre
as
she
hid
in
a
ditch.
She
witnessed
bloodthirsty
thugs,
kill
off
her
relatives
and
friends
and
desecrate
her
place
of
worship
her
place
of
solace
for
the
remaining
newer
people.
It
is
our
firmest
belief
that
the
swamp
cedars
in
spring
valley
embodied
spirits
and
of
the
lives
lost
during
those
massacres.
F
F
F
F
F
While
I
respect
what
state
officials
wrote
in
january
to
the
interim
publicans
committee,
we
respectfully
ask
that
they
use
this
opportunity,
opportunity
to
listen,
learn
and
respect
for
wishes.
We
hope
this
can
be
an
opportunity
to
build
bridges
between
our
tribal
governments
and
the
state
of
nevada.
F
F
Boss,
the
wabi
trees
bring
my
people
feelings
of
both
comfort
and
sadness,
but
then
those
trees
on
top
of
the
mountain,
a
juniper,
is
just
a
juniper
as
it
relates
to
ajr4.
We
know
that
congress
on
the
executive
branch
of
the
federal
government
can
take
more
action
to
help
preserve
such
a
special
place.
E
Oh,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you,
but
but
and
just
keep
this
to,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
minutes
are
correct
and
that
would
affect
history
of
the
hearing.
So
if
you
could
just
keep
two
ab171
for
now
and
then
we'll
and
then
okay,
that
was
just
long
we'll.
Let
you
address
that.
Okay.
F
Okay,
there's
nothing
else
on
it.
I
wanted
to
say:
okay,
please
go
ahead
together,
these
two
okay
together,
these
two
measures
give
nevada
the
chance
to
do
something
that
we
thought
we
would
be
impossible.
Just
a
few
years
ago,
my
son
rick
often
says
if
boss,
the
wabi
and
the
swamp
cedars
are
harmed.
It
will
be
my
own
per
extension,
and
I
feel
the
same.
It
would
be.
My
my
extinction
event
also
possibly
represents
what
it
means
to
me.
F
E
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
sharing
your
family
and
your
people's
story
and
history
with
us.
With
that
share,
would
you
like
to
introduce
your
next
presenter.
A
Yes,
thank
you
vice
chair
and
thank
you
again
thank
you
to
mrs
billsbury
for
for
tuning,
in
from
rural
nevada
and
and
and
working
through
the
connectivity
issues
to
share
your
words
with
us.
I
appreciate
it.
I
believe
next
and
I
I
think,
he's
participating
by
phone
I'd
like
to
have
rupert
steele
with
the
confederated
tribes
of
the
go
shoot
provide
testimony.
So
I
don't
know
if
broadcast,
if
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
get
mr
steele
to
connect
by
phone.
G
Mr
steele,
if
you
can
hear
me,
okay,
go
ahead.
H
H
H
That
place
spring
valley
has
a
historical,
very
important
significance
to
all
indian
people
place
a
gathering
place
of
warning
places,
telling
stories
place
to
be
together
and
pray
with
each
others,
pray
for
those
that
have
gone
before
us.
They
both
pray
for
us
here
that
are
now
here
at
this
walk
in
the
earth
and
pray
for
our
young
ones,
who
are
still
coming
our
way.
H
H
E
Thank
you,
chairman
steele,
and
thank
you
for
also
sharing
about
your
family
and
your
people
with
us
chair.
Would
you
like
to
introduce
your
next
speaker.
A
Yes,
thank
you
madame
vice
chair
and
I'd
also
just
like
to
advise
members
of
the
committee
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
that
both
ms
spillsberry
and
mr
steele
submitted
written
comments
for
the
record
as
well
with
that.
If
mr
sanford
would
like
to
say
some
words
on
this.
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
chairman
watts,
and
members
of
the
committee.
I'm
gonna
read
my
read
my
comments.
I
can't
I
can't
ad
lib
so
well,
like
chairman,
chairman,
steele,
was
able
to
and
then
also
like
to
say
thank
you
to
rupert,
steele
and
delane
for
having
the
courage
and
taking
the
time
to
testify
today,
as
well
chairman
watts
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
monty
sanford.
I
have
worked
with
the
confederated
tribes
for
almost
a
decade
and
a
half.
I
I
want
to
extend
our
thanks
for
creating
this
opportunity
to
be
heard.
Regarding
ab171
swamp,
cedars
is
the
only
place
in
the
united
states
that
we
know
of
where
indigenous
people
were
specifically
targeted
and
mastered
at
times
of
religious
gatherings
at
the
same
place.
Time
after
time
after
time,
delane
and
rupert
as
delane
and
rupert
have
said,
the
swamp
cedar
trees
are
the
living
embodiment
of
the
relatives
who
were
massacred,
and
it
cannot
be
emphasized
enough
how
important
and
sacred
this
connection
is
to
goshid
and
western
shoshone
people
and
some
pio
people.
I
I
I
We
have
heard
opponents
say
that
protections
for
swamp
cedar
trees
are
a
matter
better
suited
for
the
federal
government.
We
do
not
dispute
that
the
federal
government
could
do
much
more
to
protect
this
sacred
area.
However,
there
is
no
provision
in
existing
federal
law
to
protect
these
trees,
as
intended
under
ab-171.
I
We
have
heard
opponents
argue
that
swamp
cedar
trees
should
not
be
protected
for
fear
of
that
they
may
not
be
a
distinct
population.
As
it
relates
to
ab-171,
this
is
an
arbitrary
rule
and
it
does
not
apply
this
bill.
Does
not
legislative
legislatively
make
swamp
cedar,
trees,
a
distinct
population
or
an
endangered
species?.
I
Christmas
trees,
yucca
cacti,
have
special
protections,
but
those
are
all
those
are
also
not
listed
as
endangered
or
occurring
in
distinct
populations.
We
have
also
heard
fears
that
protecting
swamp
cedars
could
set
a
pit
set
a
precedent.
If
the
legislature
could
not
act
for
fear
of
setting
a
precedent,
then
the
entire
legislative
branch
of
government
would
likely
deteriorate
and
we
feel
that
this
is
appropriate
to
honor
and
protect
indigenous
history
and
culture
in
nevada.
So
if
ab-171
sets
that
precedent,
then
it
is
time
to
do
so.
I
That
said,
av-171
offers
a
clear
path
to
providing
protections
for
swamp
cedar
trees.
The
bill
would
not
only
protect
an
exceptional
and
unique
stand
of
trees
within
the
state,
but
it
would
also
protect
the
last
fragments
of
where
we
mourn
the
families
lost
during
the
genocide.
The
connection
we
have
with
our
ancestors
and
our
indigenous
place
was
ceremony.
I
A
A
Thank
you
so,
going
briefly
through
assembly
bill,
171
section
one
adds
a
a
new
section
to
chapter
527
of
the
nevada,
revised
statutes
which
provides
for
the
protection
of
certain
flora
in
our
state.
A
A
However,
there
is
nowhere
else
where
you
can
find
them
in
a
in
a
valley
floor
and
it's
quite
unique,
based
primarily
on
the
fact
that
the
water
table
is
essentially
at
ground
level,
providing
the
resources
that
that
these
trees
need
to
survive
and
thrive,
and
so
for
those
who
have
traveled
the
state
you
when
you
get
to
this
valley,
you
see
how
different
and
significant
it
is
to
have
a
stand
of
of
rocky
mountain
junipers
thriving
in
this
in
this
valley
floor.
A
So
we
use
the
geographic
area
to
define
these
trees
to
separate
them
from
the
junipers
that
occur
in
the
mountain
ranges
all
across
the
state
it.
It
then
makes
it
unlawful
for
for
any
person
to
negligently
willfully
cut,
destroy,
mutilate
or
remove
any
of
these
trees
without
first
obtaining
a
special
permit
from
the
from
the
state,
forester
fire
warden
and
complying
with
any
other
applicable
requirements,
and,
and
then
it
permits
the
division
of
forestry
to
develop
any
needed
regulations
to
carry
this
out.
A
This
is
similar
to
the
protection
that's
found
for
what
are
called
fully
protected
species,
which
is
essentially
how
our
state
defines
and
protects
endangered
plants.
There
was
a
discussion
about
this
in
the
public
lands
committee
and
again,
that
is
a
scientific
designation
made
for
distinct
populations.
A
This
is
essentially
laying
out
because
of
the
incredible
cultural
importance
of
this
area
and
the
importance
of
the
trees
to
this
area
that
we're
going
to
require
a
permit.
I
know
that
there
will
probably
be
some
questions
about
to
what
extent
the
state,
government
and
federal
government
have
the
ability
to
do
these
things.
This
is
just
applying
a
standard
that
we
already
have.
A
It
is
not
a
ban
on
the
removal,
but
it
requires
that
if
anyone
wants
to
purposefully
take
any
of
these
trees
down
that
they
must
go
through
an
additional
permitting
process
with
the
division
of
forestry
before
they
would
be
able
to
do
so.
So
it's
just
putting
some
additional
constraints
and
a
little
bit
higher
barrier
to
demonstrate
that
the
importance
of
that
would
outweigh
the
cultural
importance
that
these
that
these
unique
trees
have
to
our
state
section.
A
Two
really
just
makes
conforming
changes
in
most
of
the
sections,
and
then
I
want
to
speak
briefly
to
the
amendment
that
I
have
proposed.
A
Eyes
to
section
two
subsection
one,
paragraph
c,
four,
and
essentially
what
you'll
see
in
the
current
language
of
the
statute
is.
It
mentions
that
some
of
these
provisions
do
not
apply
to,
as
it
says,
indians
native
to
nevada,
who
gather
any
such
article
or
food
for
medic
or
medicinal
use
for
themselves
or
for
any
other
person
being
treated
by
indian
religious
ceremony
and
so
confederated
tribes
of
the
goshew
count.
Their
lands
span
multiple
state
borders,
as
do
some
other
native
tribes.
A
So
what
we're
offering
here
is
it's
essentially
some
cleanup
language
in
this
amendment
so
that
it
would
instead
read
the
provisions
of
this
section:
do
not
apply
to
indians,
who
gather
any
such
article
for
food,
medicinal
or
ceremonial
use.
A
So
just
streamlining
the
language
about
the
uses
and
again
making
sure
that
if
a
member
of
the
confederated
tribes
of
the
goshu
happens
to
reside
within
the
current
state
of
utah,
for
example,
they
are
not
considered
non-native
to
come
to
basawabi
and
and
practice
their
their
ceremonies
and
and
traditional
activities.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
for
the
record,
I
think
there
may
have
been
a
typo
in
that
the
amendment
affects
subsection
four
of
section
two,
so
I'm
receiving
a
message
from
our
council,
mr
amber
to
that
effect.
So
just
in
case
there's
any
confusion,
then.
Additionally,
mr
amburn,
who
who
isn't
on
the
call,
which
is
why
I'm
saying
this
is
did
mention-
and
he
did
put
this
in
he
communicated
with
the
members.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
E
We've
got
this
on
the
record
that
that
it
was
mentioned
that
the
current
punitive
scheme
would
apply
to
a
apply
if
a
person
cut,
destroyed,
mutilated,
picked
or
removed
a
swamp
cedar
pursuant
to
ab-171
and
the
penalty
is
found
in
subsection
three
of
nrs
527.050.
E
E
So
he's
saying
that
what
this
means
is
that
if
the
damage
is
valued
at
five
thousand
dollars
or
more,
a
person
is
guilty
of
a
categories.
T
felony:
if
the
damage
is
valued
at
250
to
5000,
the
person
is
guilty
of
a
gross
misdemeanor,
and
if
the
damage
is
valued
at
less
than
250,
then
the
person
is
guilty
of
a
misdemeanor,
and
then
our
council
made
reference
to
nrs
193.150,
which
provides
the
punishments
for
misdemeanors
and
nrs
193.155,
which
provides
the
punishment
of
public
offence
proportionate
to
the
value
of
property
affected.
E
So
thank
you
for
that,
mr
amber,
and
and
with
that
that
I'll
that
does
bring
bring
to
mind
a
question
chair,
especially
now
with,
because
of
because
of
the
pandemic
a
lot
more
people
are
taking
advantage
of
getting
out
in
nature
and
enjoying
recreation
in
nevada.
It
is
there
something
that's
going
to.
Let
them
know
hey
these.
This
is
special.
These
are,
you
know,
be
careful
here.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question
vice
chair,
someone,
howard
watts,
for
the
record
and
my
connection
got
a
little
fuzzy,
as
you
were
asking
the
question,
but
I
believe
I
I
caught
the
the
tail
end
of
it
basically
asking
how
people
may
be
notified
about
the
require
the
the
additional
protections
provided
to
these
trees.
I
would
leave
that
to
the
division
of
forestry
and
I
don't
know
if
they
are
on
or
we
could
potentially
get
some
follow-up
information
about
how
they've
notified
folks
about
the
protections
that
exist
for
other
protected
flora.
A
I
assume
it
would
follow
a
a
similar,
a
similar
process,
but
you
know
again-
usually
there
are
already
things
in
place
for
people
that
wish
to
to
gather-
and
I
know
that
there
are
some
already
some
restrictions
on
access
to
the
swamp
seeders
at
different
points.
So
I
think
there
would
be
several
opportunities
where
science
could
be
posted
and
and
education
could
happen
to
make
sure.
But
again,
this
is
also
not
an
area
that
is
frequented
by
campers
and
other
recreationalists.
A
It's
really
frequented
by
the
native
peoples
of
and
what
this
is
really
focusing
on.
Is
you
know,
particularly
if
there
were
some
future
activity
that
had
a
major
impact
on
you
know
that
would
require
a
major
reduction
in
the
the
population
of
these
trees
that
there
would
have
to
be
some
additional
oversight
from
the
state
before
that
could
move
forward
and
one
one
other
thing
I'll
note
very
briefly
is
you're
right.
I
do
have
a
an
additional
letter
in
my
amendment.
E
I
think
we
all
understand
that.
Thank
you,
chair
with
that.
I
have
a
question
from
assemblywoman
titus.
J
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
for
your
bill.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Okay
and
thank
you
for
the
presenters
early
on
in
the
presentation
or
the
of
the
bill
it
was.
There
was
a
statement
made
about
the
hype
of
junipers.
Obviously
I
live
in
a
rural
area.
We
have
a
ton
of
juniper
trees
behind
my
and
I'm
wondering
about
the
genetic
testing
on
these
trees.
I
understand
there's
no
unique
genetic
testing
on
these
trees.
J
These
are
like
the
other
juniper
trees
are
throughout
the
state
of
nevada.
Is
that
correct.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question,
howard
watts,
for
the
record.
I
don't
believe
any
genetic
testing
has
been
done
on
these
trees
and
while
I
would
love
to
have
the
resources
to
do
some
scientific
testing
to
find
out,
I
think
that
would
be
very
interesting.
A
We
simply
do
not
know,
and
this
was
something
that
came
up
during
the
public
lands
committee
discussion
as
well,
and
I,
the
one
thing
I'd
say
is
it's
important.
What's
important
is
the
cultural
importance
to
the
tribes
of
these
trees
and
and
to
their
beliefs,
and
so,
regardless
of
the
genetic
makeup?
That's
specifically
why
we
didn't
look
to
protect
these
trees
under
the
existing
statute
for
fully
protected
species
and
instead
created
a
new
section
of
statute
to
afford
them
these
protections
so
yeah.
J
All
right,
thank
you.
A
follow-up
phantom
chair
vice
chair
do
we
know
the
number
of
acres
and
how
much
of
this
is
on
prior
land
versus
blm
land?
I'm
not.
I
haven't
seen
a
map.
I
apologize
where
this
is,
but
I
just
need
some
clarification.
Is
this
on
private
land.
A
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Howard
watts,
the
record,
the
basawabi
traditional
cultural
property,
overlays
with
blm
managed
lands
and
then
within
that
there
is
a
smaller
area
of
critical
environmental
concerns.
So
this
is
on
public
lands.
J
And
I'm
sorry
whether
it's
because
I
had
my-
I
didn't-
have
my
mute
button
on.
I
lost
that
so
I
understand
that
had
not
is
that
this
none
of
this
is
on
private
land.
A
I
I
just
got
back
so
if
you
could
repeat
that
I'll
I'll
be
sure
to
respond.
Thank
you.
J
I
I
apologize
and
I'll
shut
my
mute
button
right
away,
so
hopefully
we're
not
I'm
just
wondering
if
I
wasn't
clear.
None
of
this
is
on
private
land.
A
Thank
you,
assemblyman
watts,
for
the
record
I
can
have.
I
believe
mr
sanford
may
know
the
acreage.
I
believe
that
was
part
of
the
question
you
asked,
but
this
is
federal
land
overlay,
the
traditional
cultural
property.
J
One
last
question:
if
I
might
madam
vice
chair,
I'm
concerned
about,
we
have
negotiated
some
situations
with
the
feds
and
other
folks
about
putting
sage
hen,
prairie
chickens
or,
however,
you
want
to
call
them
on
not
on
the
endangeries
list
and
part
of
that
negotiation
was
clearing
sagebrush,
juniper
interface
and
encroachment
of
pinions
and
juniper
on
perhaps
some
sage
hen,
land,
and
I'm
wondering
I
would
just
want
some
clarity
that
none
of
this
this
area
would
interfere
with
negotiations
that
we
have
already
made
for
the
habitat
for
satan.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Assemblyman
wants
to
the
record.
No,
it
would
not
interfere.
These
lands
have
had
these
trees
upon
them
for
quite
some
time,
so
this
was
never
sage,
grouse
habitat
that
has
been
encroached
upon.
So
it's
separate,
I
mean
and
there's
I
think,
discussion
about
many
areas
very
close
by
that
have
seen
some
encroachment
down
the
down
the
hillsides.
A
C
Thank
you
vice
chair
cohen,
and
thank
you,
chair
watts,
as
well
as
elders,
spillsberry
and
steel,
for
sharing
your
your
stories
with
us
and
the
insignificance
of
this
of
this
information.
My
question
has
to
do
with
section
1.3
with
the
regulations.
C
It's
a
very
small
question,
with
the
possibility
of
the
word
may
with
that
adoption
of
regulations,
which
I
realize
is
not
part
of
this
body.
It's
a
decision
made
at
the
department
level.
Will
there
be
individuals
from
the
from
in
particular,
from
either
elder
spillsberries
or
elders
steels
tribes?
Will
there
there
be
an
expectation
that
there's
also
participation
from
their
tribes,
or
is
that
just
something
that
the
department
can
make
the
decision
on
their
own
without
conferring
with
others.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Howard
watched
the
record.
Indeed,
that
is
ultimately
left
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
division
of
forestry,
since
they
already
have
permitting
programs
in
place
for
other
types
of
protected
flora.
They
may
borrow
considerably
from
that,
and
so
they
may
simply
need
to
make
small
modifications
to
be
inclusive,
as
opposed
to
the
development
of
a
specific
program.
A
C
E
I
I
have
a
question
so
so,
with
the
with
the
state
forester
fire
warden,
I
I
understand
they're
going
to
be
adopting
regulations,
but
so
so,
when
I
first
read
that
paragraph
I
was
thinking
it
was
more
like
there
would
be
a
a
a
permit
would
be
granted
to
promote
the
health
of
the
trees,
and
so
it
sounds
like
that's
not
necessarily
the
case,
and
there
might
be
other
reasons
that
a
permit
would
be
granted.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question
vice
chair,
howard,
watts,
to
the
record.
So
essentially
this
gets
back
to
something
I
touched
on
a
little
bit
earlier,
and
this
is
just
the
difficulty
in
shared
stewardship
over
natural
resources
between
the
state
and
federal
governments.
A
So
we've
we
see
this
with
water
with
wildlife
and,
in
this
case
with
flora,
since
these
lands
are
federally
managed,
we
do
not
have
the
ability
to
100
dictate
the
land
management
decisions
within
that
area,
but
we
can
apply
permitting
and
other
things
to
try
and
align
the
federal
management
activities
with
our
state
public
policy
objectives.
A
And
so
this
is
an
example
of
that.
We
have
that
for
our
fully
protected
species,
which
again,
is
essentially
our
state
endangered
species
list
for
plants,
and
we
cannot
essentially
say
something
that
that
completely
forbids
the
taking
the
the
harvesting
of
those
plants
on
federal
lands.
A
But
we
can
develop
a
permitting
system
to
try
and
manage
and
adjust
any
of
those
proposals
so
that,
if
they're
more
in
line
with
our
our
scientific
or
in
the
case
of
this
bill,
public
policy
objectives
so
we're
using
that
same
permitting
process,
the
permit
would
be
if
anyone
intends
to
essentially
destroy
the
tree.
E
C
Thank
you
vice
chair
for
the
opportunity
and
thank
you,
chairman
watts,
for
bringing
this
bill.
You
kind
of
touched
a
little
bit
on
what
I
was
going
to
ask.
So
let
me
start
here
when
we
talk
about
spring
valley
population
within
the
ausawabi
traditional
cultural
property.
Do
can
you
remind
me
we
might
have
talked
about
this
in
public
lands?
How
much
acreage
are
we
talking
about.
A
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Howard
watched
the
record
I'd
actually
like
to
see.
If
mr
sanford
has
that
figure
available,
I
do
not
have
it
at
my
fingertips
right
now,.
I
C
E
Yes,
but
first
just
for
the
record,
just
so
we've
for
the
sake
of
our
secretaries
to
make
their
lives
a
little
easier.
Just
for
the
record
that
was
mr
sanford.
Please
go
ahead.
Assemblywoman!
Thank
you.
E
C
And
chairman
watts,
I
think
you
might
have
gone
there
a
little
bit
when
we,
when
you
were
answering
assemblywoman,
cohen's
questions
the
permitting
navigates
the
blm
issues
we
discussed
at
the
the
public
lands
meeting.
I
think
in
september
of
2020
that
it
was,
it
was
discussed.
C
I
think
it
was
miss
charleston
discuss
whether
lands
managed
by
the
blm
can
be
protected
under
chapter
527
of
the
nrs.
C
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question
assembling
howard
watts
for
the
record.
Yes,
so,
as
you
know,
I
I
think
particularly
some
of
these
members
are
are
very
well
aware
of
some
of
the
difficulties
and
conflicts
that
happen
in
management
of
federal
lands
in
the
the
limitations
on
the
role
that
the
state
can
play
at
some
points.
And
yet,
as
I've
mentioned
before
on,
there
are
certain
well,
the
lands
may
be
managed
by
the
federal
government
and
they
can
make
more
of
the
direct
decisions
about
the
the
land
use.
A
The
state
manages
things
like
the
wildlife,
the
plant
life
and
the
water
and
the
public
trust,
and
so
we
do
have,
while
not
an
absolute
say,
some
influence,
and
so
again,
when
you
look
at
the
list
of
fully
protected
species,
there's
a
permitting
system
in
place.
A
So
we
again,
we
can't
tell
the
federal
government,
you
absolutely
cannot
do
anything
that
will
harm
any
of
these
species,
but
we
can
have
them,
engage
in
in
a
process,
a
conversation,
a
dialogue
with
our
state
division
of
forestry
figure
out
how
those
concerns
may
be
mitigated,
maybe
put
some
additional
requirements
or
considerations
into
place
before
anything
was
allowed
to
move
forward.
A
So
that
is,
you
know
basically
the
extent
that
the
state
can
play
in
providing
some
protections
and
that's
so
we
we
applied
that
that
structure,
that
permitting
structure
but
then
again
we
took
it
away
from
trying
to
make
a
scientific,
designation
or
determination
about
it
being
genetically
distinct,
but
then
tried
to
address
the
concerns
about
this,
providing
broad
protections
for
all
rocky
mountain
junipers
by
creating
a
specific
geographic
boundary
that
already
exists
within
that
traditional
cultural
property.
D
Thank
you.
Madame
I've
got
a
lot
of
my
questions
answered.
I
spent
a
lot
of
my
time
in
in
these
areas.
Up
in
there
on
horseback
and-
and
I
still
keep
going
back
to
the
mine
is,
is:
is
these
just
strictly
a
juniper
tree,
but
with
another
name?
That's
that's
one
question
and
then
the
other
question
is
what
about
pruning
and
and
getting
rid
of
undergrowth
to
keep
from
fires
going
in
there.
Could
somebody
answer
these
questions.
A
Thank
you,
mr
ellison
howard
watts
for
the
record
again
based
on
the
language
of
the
statute.
There
would
have
to
be
a
permitting
conversation.
I
think
the
distinctions
between
cutting
down
and
killing
a
tree
versus
pruning
or
doing
work
in
the
underlying
vegetation
are
very
different
topics.
A
So
you
know-
and
again
it
depends
on
if
you're
talking
about
undergrowth,
we're
not
actually
managing
the
land,
we're
trying
to
protect
the
trees
so
activities
that
would
promote
the
health
of
the
ecosystem
by
managing
the
underbrush
if
they're
not
damaging
the
trees,
are,
is
kind
of
a
separate
item
as
far
as
pruning
again,
it
would
just
be
a
conversation
with
the
state
forester
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
not
causing
significant
damage
or
harm
to
the
to
the
site
and
its
cultural
value.
A
As
to
your
first
question
again,
I
I
think
we
haven't
done
the
research
to
see
if
they're
genetically
different.
They
are
culturally
significant
and
completely
unique
in
that
they
exist
on
this
valley
floor.
So
I
think,
in
that
regard,
they
they
certainly
are
unique
as
swamp
seeders,
whether
they're
a
genetically
distinct
type
of
juniper
from
those
that
are
found
in
other
parts
of
the
state,
is
up
in
the
air.
But
it's
it's
my
opinion
that
we
should
make
sure
we
protect
the
trees
in
this
area,
regardless
of
of
where
they
fall.
D
A
fault
follow
up
if
I
may
go
on
mr
watts
it.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
is
because
up
in
eureka,
county
and
areas
of
white
pine
county,
the
blm
is,
is
moving
a
lot
of
trees
and
the
reason
they're
doing.
D
So
I'm
hoping
we
get
some
of
these
answers
that
we
can
because
that's
like.
I
said,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
most
of
my
life
on
a
saddle
in
a
lot
of
these
areas
and,
and
I've
never
heard
of
the
names
of
some
of
these
that
that
are
called.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
tribal
thing
or
if
it's
the
tree,
that's
got
some
other
berries
on
it.
That
I'm
not
aware
of.
Thank
you.
Miss
chair.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Assemblyman
allison,
howard
watch,
the
record.
This
certainly
is
an
issue,
that's
particularly
important
to
the
the
tribal
communities
where
who
call
this
their
ancestral
home
and
current
place
where
they
practice
their
traditions.
A
You
know
again
the
process
this
is
this:
establishes
is
a
conversation
and
permitting
with
our
state
division
of
forestry,
and,
as
you
know,
our
forester
is
also
our
fire
warden.
So
I'm
confident
that
any
any
decisions
that
have
an
impact
on
our
wildland
fire
management
and
mitigation
would
definitely
be
taken
into
consideration
if
somebody
had
a
plan
to
cut
or
prune
or
in
any
way
address
these.
A
E
Okay,
does
anyone
else
have
any
questions.
E
Okay,
not
seeing
any,
I
think
we
will
go
to
support
and
and
just
a
reminder
we'll
be
keeping
support.
We've
got
several
people
who
want
to
testify
so
in
order
to
make
sure
everyone
can
testify
we're
going
to
keep
testimony
to
two
minutes.
Certainly,
if
you
have
more
to
say,
you're
welcome
to
send
in
your
statements
and
that
will
go
on
to
the
record,
and
the
committee
will
review
that
as
well
with
that
dps.
E
If-
and
I
don't
think,
there's
anyone
else
on
the
zoom
in
support
so
yeah
with
that
bps.
If
you
can
go
to
the
phones,
please.
G
G
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
this
is
marla:
mcdade
williams,
m,
a
r
l,
a
m
c
capital
d,
a
d
e
w,
I
l,
l,
I
a
m
s
with
strategies
360
and
speaking
today,
on
behalf
of
the
reno
sparks
indian
colony.
I
want
to
extend
our
respect
to
ms
billsbury
and
mr
steele
for
their
comments
and
for
carrying
the
native
history
to
this
body.
We
also
want
to
thank
assemblyman
watts
and
the
members
of
the
legislative
committee
on
public
lands
for
this
bill.
K
E
G
L
L
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-C-A-B-R-E-R-A,
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
here
in
support
of
ab-171,
as
has
been
mentioned
during
the
bill,
presentation,
swamp
feeders,
are
sacred
to
indigenous
communities
and
are
critical
to
their
spiritual
and
cultural
practices.
Swamp
cedars
are
also
threatened
by
climate
change,
drought
and
over
pumping
of
groundwater.
L
G
B
S-H-A-N-I-A-M-A-R-Q-U-E-S-
and
I
am
the
cultural
representative
for
the
elise
shoshone
tribe-
I
believe
that
this
bill
offers
protection
to
the
swamp
cedars
that
they
do
not
currently
have
and
need.
Wasawabi
is
one
of
the
few
places
left
that
we
can
connect
to
our
past
and
honor
those
who
sacrificed
all
for
us
to
be
here
today
and
for
those
reasons
I
support
ab171.
G
M
M
Moreover,
you
can
help
our
native
people
gain
faith
in
the
system
by
showing
some
worthy
respect
for
the
natural
things
that
are
so
important
to
us.
My
daily
ancestors
were
forcefully
taught
that
indian
ways
were
primitive
and
not
important,
but
we
do
have
an
important
message.
This
is
not
in
every
way
the
peak
of
human
civilization.
M
M
All
we
are
asking
is,
please
don't
look
the
other
way
and
allow
someone
to
kill
the
trees
too,
and
by
not
allowing
the
literal
wiping
out
of
the
last
of
what
is
left
of
our
people
in
spring
valley.
We
might
help
people
think
responsibly
because
isn't
because
this
isn't
just
about
saving
one
of
nevada's.
Last
stanza
valley
forest
from
a
localized
extinction
event
it's
about
helping
to
save
the
culture
of
a
peaceful
people
and
our
sustainable
way
of
thinking.
G
N
N
All
this
bill
does
is
give
the
cedars
the
safeguards
fully
protected
species
are
afforded
under
nrs527050.
We
are
not
asking
to
legislatively
make
this
a
genetically
distinct
species.
We
are
just
asking
to
give
it
protections
of
those
fully
protected
species.
We
do
not
want
to
give
all
rocky
mountain
junipers
these
protections.
We
just
want
to
protect
a
small
stand
in
spring
valley.
N
We
are
not
trying
to
undermine
precedent.
We
are
merely
trying
to
demand
a
new
precedent
for
an
indigenous
sacred
site
like
the
swamp
cedars.
The
status
quo
is
not
good
enough
for
indigenous
communities.
Ab-171
recognizes
a
special
circumstance
with
existential
considerations
when
ngos,
elected
officials
and
government
institutions
talk
about
environmental
justice
or
historical
discrimination.
N
The
swamp
seaters
are
a
textbook
example.
Tonight's
hearing
and
it's
accompanying
legislation
offers
an
opportunity
to
gain
understanding
about
an
idea
that
may
not
exist
in
the
frame
of
reference
of
non-native
people.
That
is
the
power
of
the
legislative
branch.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
help
build
trust,
acknowledge
the
past
and
grow
understanding
among
the
public
with
this
bill.
That
is
a
major
milestone.
N
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
again
thank
the
indigenous
leaders
and
elders
for
sharing
their
stories.
They
are
powerful
and
they
are
eloquent
and
they
are
irreplaceable
voices
in
our
communities.
Last
but
not
least,
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
and
chairman
prior
to
the
interim
public
lands
committee
in
today's
hearing.
Never
before
has
the
nevada
legislature
discussed
such
important
facets
of
our
history.
N
G
O
L-I-S-A-O-R-T-E-G-A
chairman
wants
vice
chair,
cohen
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
lisa
ortega,
a
volunteer
member
of
the
sierra
club's
legislative
committee,
southern
nevada
board,
xcom
member
master,
arborist
and
tree
consultant
on
behalf
of
the
sierra
club
and
our
more
than
40
000
members
and
supporters
statewide,
I'm
in
speaking
in
support
of
ab171.
O
The
testimony
we
heard
today
exemplifies
that
stands
of
trees
with
important
historical,
cultural,
spiritual
and
ecological
significance
deserve
the
type
of
protections
offered
by
ab-171
the
division
of
forestry
to
the
state.
Forester
fire
wardens
have
and
should
have
the
ability
to
protect
forest
species
of
significance.
O
Right
now.
There
are
no
protections
in
state
law
for
these
unique
spring
valley,
swamp,
sweet,
cedars,
juniperous,
scopulorum,
these
pockets
are
trees,
are
not
currently
known
to
exist
at
the
current
elevation.
They
stand
upon
anywhere
else
and
they
deserve
their
own
significant
place
in
our
nation's
flora,
history
and
that
of
the
indigenous
peoples
of
nevada.
O
O
This
is
a
historic
opportunity
to
build
trust
gain
new
understandings
of
each
other
in
our
history
in
nevada,
while
offering
protections
that
preserve
places
of
such
historical
significance,
ab171
will
ensure
that
important
protections
outlined
in
nrf
527.05
apply
to
the
swamp
cedars.
This
effort
is
about
looking
outside
of
existing
frameworks.
O
O
G
P
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
My
name
is
john
header
j-o-h-n-h-a-d-d-e-r.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
great
basin
resource
watch
us
in
reno
nevada.
Thank
you
committee
and
thank
you
chairman
howard,
for
introducing
this
important
bill.
We
are
in
support
of
171.
Our
organization
works
on
extraction
issues.
We
have
been
out
to
the
swamp
cedar
area,
its
unique
cultural
importance,
it's
time
that
we
begin
to
recognize
and
and
protect
the
the
the
cultures
and
his
and
and
history
of
nevada.
P
G
Q
Hi
good
good
afternoon,
chairman
watson,
vice
chair
cohen,
this
is
neil
desai
n-e-a-l-d-e-s-a-I,
I'm
senior
program
director
for
the
national
parks
conservation
association.
We
support
ab171,
ask
you
to
help
move.
It
forward,
help
champion
this,
for
all
the
reasons
that
speakers
before
me
have
said.
I'd
like
to
particularly
thank
mrs
spillsberry,
mr
steele,
for
your
your
comments
earlier.
Q
You
spell
out
the
charge
before
us
and
kind
of
what
what
we
all
need
to
be
doing
here
to
protect
these
irreplaceable
resources
and
values,
and
I
just
want
to
maybe
echo
one
point
that
was
raised
earlier,
perhaps
in
the
testimony,
but
this
bill
doesn't
make
the
feeders
a
distinct
population.
It
gives
it
the
protections
that
are
necessary
and,
and
that's
what
we
want.
It
gets
the
protection
of
a
distinct
population.
Q
This
is
a
special
circumstance
for
special
place
and
it
calls
for
the
special
considerations
that
we
have
available
before.
So
thank
you,
chairman
watts,
for
advancing
this
measure
and
for
the
committee
for
considering
this.
E
Thank
you,
and
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
person
in
support.
G
L
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E-S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S,
I'm
the
policy
director
with
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada
here
in
support
of
assembly
bill
171,
you've
just
heard
testimony
from
tribal
leaders
and
elders
employing
you
to
take
action.
We
want
to
thank
those
folks
for
sharing
such
important
stories
and
providing
an
opportunity
for
non-native
people
to
gain
perspective
and
understanding.
L
We
hope
that
this
effort
can
be
an
opportunity
to
build
bridges
rather
than
divide.
The
legislature
has
an
unprecedented
opportunity
to
recognize
the
cultural
and
spiritual
significance
of
the
swamp
theaters
and
respect
the
practices
that
continue
to
occur
there.
The
swamp,
theaters
are
a
place
of
prayer,
and
these
prayers
are
part
of
the
necessary
healing
process
for
these
communities
going
through
ongoing
historic
trauma.
L
We
hope
that
the
members
of
the
legislature
see
the
deep
importance
of
protecting
the
swamp
cedars
as
a
small
but
important
step
toward
healing
the
land
and
people.
Environmental
justice
requires
us
to
step
outside
of
past
frameworks
in
order
to
include
those
who
historically
have
not
been
recognized.
This
legislation
does
that
in
a
very
important
way.
We
urge
you
support
ab171.
G
L
L
The
conservancy
recognizes
the
spiritual
and
cultural
importance
of
the
swamp
feeders,
and
we
support
additional
protections
for
these
trees
in
spring
valley.
With
ab-171,
we
have
the
chance
to
protect
the
traditional
knowledge
that
has
been
shared
with
us
today.
Bossawabi
is
a
deeply
important
cultural
landscape.
L
The
singular
qualities
of
this
place
are
rooted
in
a
deep
relationship
that
our
own
human
species
has
developed
with
this
population
of
trees
over
countless
generations.
Since
time
immemorial,
recognizing
the
swamp
cedars
as
protected
fauna,
as
ab-171
will
do,
will
provide
a
layer
of
protection
for
this
culturally
significant
population
of
trees.
Thank
you
to
the
tribal
leaders
for
sharing
their
history
and
culture.
We
urge
the
members
of
this
committee
to
vote
yes
on
ab171.
G
R
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
bringing
this
bill
and
thank,
of
course,
to
the
trump
elders
and
spokespersons
from
earlier
who
such
compelling
testimony.
R
I
won't
rate
their
testimony
other
than
to
say
that
my
organization's
been
for
the
small
leaders
thirteen
years
they
are
just
as
you
ecologically
as
they
are
culturally.
R
You
know
been
done
yet,
but
it's
a
unique
occurrence
to
these
trees
growing
in
shallow
ground,
and
so
do
want
to
make
note
of
that
one
other
to
make
note
of,
and
that
is,
as
miss
spillberry
said
in
a
present,
and
you
know,
these
protections
need
teeth
and
typically,
when
the
division
of
forestry
issues
a
permit,
it's
done
under
nac,
273c
and
subsection.
R
11
says
that
the
decisions
on
these
permits
are
full
and
not
subject
to
official
view
and
while
that's
kind
of
worms
that
we
probably
don't
want
to
open.
As
far
as
the
entire
chapter
goes,
judicial
review
is
what
keeps
agency
honest
and
what
keeps
agencies
from
to
faithfully
interpret
the
law.
R
I
might
suggest
it
not
as
an
amendment,
because
I
think
it's
something
for
russian,
but
I
might
suggest
a
a
section
this
bill
to
address
fact
and
include
some
amount
of
review
or
appealability
of
the
per
issued
to
to
ensure
the
law
is
applied
as
intent.
Thank
you
for
considering
my
comments.
E
Thank
you
and
mr
donnelly,
you
were
a
bit
shoppy,
I
think,
most
of
of
what
you
said
we
got,
but
certainly
I
invite
you
to
reach
out
to
chairwatts
and
to
also,
if
you
want
to
provide
written
testimony
just
to
make
sure
so
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
person
in
support.
G
L
Hello
for
the
record,
my
name
is
ainsley
archibald,
a
I
n
s,
l
e
e,
a
r
c
h,
I
b
ald
speaking
as
a
coordinator
of
the
sunrise
movement,
las
vegas
hub.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
just
want
to
echo
the
sentiments
of
those
who
spoke
before
me,
especially
those
of
tribal
leaders
and
elders,
and
add
our
support
to
ab171
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
G
B
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
couple
quick
statements,
but
what
I
thought
was
really
an
important
point
to
make
today
is
that
we
know
that
we're
living
on
occupied
stolen
indigenous
land
and
today
we
heard
passionately
from
the
original
inhabitants
who
have
always
lived
on
these
lands
here
in
nevada
who
still
live
here
and
today
they
spoke
up
and
they're
asking
for
the
help
from
state
representatives
to
help
protect
their
sacred
homelands.
B
B
You
know
unique
and
beautiful
opportunities,
as
the
previous
caller
had
mentioned
to
you,
know,
heal
our
land,
heal
relationships,
heal
communities
and
to
also
show
that
we
hear
and
that
we
see
folks,
who
have
often
been
left
out
of
the
conversation.
B
G
G
E
Thank
you
and
with
that
we
will
go
to
position.
I
I
don't
believe,
there's
anyone
in
opposition
on
the
zoom.
So
let's
go
to
the
telephones.
Please.
E
G
G
G
E
Thank
you
and
I'll,
just
in
case
there
was
someone
who
was
trying
to
call
in
feel
free
to
send
in
your
testimony.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
able
to
be
heard
and
certainly
will
distribute
that
to
the
members
of
the
committee
with
that
share.
If
you'd
like
to
make
some
closing
remarks.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Madame
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee
again
for
the
record,
howard
watts
representing
assembly
district
15.
It
is
my
pleasure
to
present
assembly
joint
resolution
four
to
you
as
well.
A
I
know
we
want
to
keep
a
clear
record
so
I'll
I'll
say
that
assembly
joint
resolution
four
urges
the
federal
government
to
take
action
to
further
protect
the
vasawabi
traditional
cultural
property,
also
known
as
the
the
swamp
cedars
and
while
trying
to
keep
these
measures
separate
I'll
indicate
that
much
of
what
you've
already
heard
today
about
the
the
swamp
seeders
and
how
important
they
are
and
the
need
for
additional
protection
applies
to
this
measure,
as
it
does
to
the
the
other
measure
which
we've
already
heard,
and
so
my
intention
is
not
to
to
repeat
all
of
that
to
try
and
keep
things
brief,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
repeat
everything
for
the
for
the
committee.
A
But
I
would
like
to
very
briefly
walk
you
through
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
joint
resolution.
I
then
believe
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
sanford,
who
I
think
has
a
couple
of
brief
remarks.
He'd
like
to
add,
and
then
I'll,
take
any
questions
you
have
specifically
about
this,
so
the
proposed
amendment
is
essentially
a
rewrite
of
the
resolution
and
I
won't
go
through
the
whereases
they're
very
similar
in
terms
of
content
between
the
amendment
and
the
original
draft.
A
However,
in
consultation
with
tribal
members
and
elders,
we
felt
that,
particularly
in
the
description
of
the
massacres
and
the
history
and
traditional
practices
of
these
people,
that
this
language
was
more
appropriate
to
use,
so
the
warehouses
are
really
rewritten
to
respect
the
perspective
of
the
indigenous
communities
of
the
area.
The
the
real
change
is
in
the
resolution
itself.
The
original
resolution
called
for
the
designation
of
a
national
heritage
area.
A
However,
bossawabi
is
already
located
within
the
great
basin
national
heritage
area,
so
this
would
not
provide
any
additional
federal
protection,
which
was
kind
of
the
intent
of
the
public
lands
committee.
When
we
were
debating
this
issue
in
the
interim,
so
instead,
the
the
revised
language
urges
congress
and
the
president
to
take
action
to
further
protect
the
area,
including
potential
designation
as
a
national
monument
or
an
expansion
of
great
basin
national
park,
and
to
be
clear,
there
could
be
an
extent
extension
of
the
area
of
critical
environmental
concern.
A
There
are
other
options,
but
those
would
ultimately
be
up
to
the
federal
government.
The
tribes
are
seeking
a
national
monument
and
again.
I
also
want
to
reiterate
that
national
monuments
can
be
designated
by
an
act
of
congress
as
well,
but
this
is
not
prescriptive.
It
is
simply
asking
the
federal
government,
as
the
land
managers,
to
strengthen
the
protections
for
this
particular
area.
A
So
with
that,
if
mr
sanford
has
any
brief
remarks,
he'd
like
to
add
I'd
like
to
let
him
speak
and
then
from
there,
we
can
go
immediately
into
questions.
I
H
I
I
I
just
I
just
want
to
nail
home
the
point
that
there
is
nothing
like
this
in
anywhere
else
in
this
in
this
country
or
in
this
state.
Perhaps
in
the
world
you
know,
tribal
people
have
been
indigenous.
People
have
been
in
this
area
since
time
immemorial.
I
We
have
archaeological
evidence
dating
back
to
as
far
as
14
000
years
ago,
of
their
occupancy
around
swamp,
cedars,
their
ceremonial
use
around
swamp
cedars
and
this
long
term,
long-term
time
frame
of
of
the
tribes
being
with
the
cedars
and
their
ceremonial
use
of
the
site.
I
think,
is
extremely
unique
and
important,
and
this
isn't
this
isn't
some
temple
in
in
south
america
or
in
or
in
latin
america.
This
is
this
is
right
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
I
sometimes
I
feel
like
we
can.
I
It's
right
here
in
front
of
us
and
even
though
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
cathedral
or
it's
not
a
temple,
it's
the
tribe's
temple
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
appropriate,
for
you
know
this
for
the
committee
to
support
something
like
this
and
and
you
know
we
need,
we
need
other
protection
for
the
site
and
the
acec
and
the
tcp
don't
provide
that
sort
of
protection.
So,
on
behalf
of
the
tribes,
we
would
sincerely
appreciate
the
the
committee's
supporting
of
this
resolution.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
and
just
for
the
record.
If
anyone
is
watching
this
hearing
in
the
future,
I
would
also
recommend
or
reviewing
the
the
legislative
history
I'd
recommend
a
review
of
ab171
due
to
time
constraints.
E
We're
not
able
to
have
everyone
who
testified
testified,
but
there
was
definitely
some
good
testimony
that
you'd
want
to
review
with
some
more
of
the
history
of
what
happened
in
this
area
and
its
impact
on
the
tribes
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that,
and
and
so
chair.
You're
ready
for
questions.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
howard,
wants
to
the
record.
Yes,
I'm
ready
to
take
questions
and
would
also
just
note
that
some
of
the
letters
of
support
express
support
for
both
measures,
and
so
some
of
that
that
testimony
from
our
original
presenters
can
also
apply
to
this
bill
as
well.
E
Thank
you
so
with
that
we
have
a
question
from
assemblywoman
titus.
Thank
you.
J
Madam
vice
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
question
on
and
I
have
a
copy
and
thank
you
for
getting
getting
that
out.
I
have
the
proposed
amendment
to
aj4
in
front
of
me
and
in
the
description
it
says,
as
you
clarified,
that
it
is
already
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
great
basin
national
heritage
area.
J
So
just
for
clarification,
it's
already
somewhat
protected
and
when
you
have
a
great
base
in
national
this
heritage
area,
it
doesn't
offer
any
protection
and
and
these
protections
that
you're
trying
to
produce.
So
you
want
further
protection.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question,
howard
watts,
for
the
record.
That
is
correct
that
it's
located
within
the
great
basin
national
heritage
area.
This
was
part
of
the
discussion
in
the
public
lands
committee.
A
However,
while
it
is
a
designation
and
it
may
potentially
afford
some
protections,
it
does
not
provide
the
level
of
protection
that
the
tribes
are
seeking,
so
we're
and
since
that's
the
baseline
and
there's
concern
that
there
could
still
be
impacts
to
to
the
trees
to
the
area,
we
are
seeking
additional
protection
from
the
federal
land
managers
and
again,
I
will
note
that
this
is
already
federally
managed
land.
J
Thank
you
follow
the
question
on
that
vice
chair.
If
I
might
looking
at
the
actual
amendment
now
for
ajr4
and
it's
on
the
back
page,
that
we
have
just
to
to
look
at
the
the
third
paragraph
down
where
it
says,
whereas
and
then
the
swamp
cedar,
trees
therein
face
threat
from
climate
change,
development
and
other
human
triggered
activities
from
non-native
communities.
J
So
can
you
describe
obviously
the
climate
change?
You
might
feel
that
it's
warming
if
they
have
a
beetle
infestation
or
fires.
What
other
activity
has
been
noted
to
threaten
these
trees?.
A
E
You
cut
out
right
after
you
said,
groundwater
development.
A
All
right,
so
the
southern
nevada
water
authority
had
proposed
a
groundwater
development
pipeline
to
eastern
nevada.
Spring
valley
was
one
of
the
primary
areas
from
which
water
would
have
been
exported
and,
as
was
noted
previously,
these
trees
thrive
in
this
area,
because
the
water
table
is
essentially
at
ground
level.
Very
close
by
there
are
sub-irrigated,
wet
meadows
and
so
on.
So
that
is
one
example
of
a
proposed
development
or
or
human
excuse
me,
human
triggered
activity
that
that
could
have
severely
impacted
the
area.
A
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Howard
watched
the
record,
as
you
may
be
aware
that
water
and
effects
of
drawdowns
would
be
considered
in
these
federal
managed
lands.
If
it
was
a
project
that
had
an
impact,
it
would
trigger
the
nepa
process
and
environmental
impact
statement,
and
so
anything
that
triggered
that
process
impacts
to
the
trees
would
already
be
considered
within
that.
J
A
This
is
someone
when
howard
watts
to
the
record.
Yes,
it
is
located
within
spring
valley.
However,
this
particular
both
this
particular
resolution
and
the
measure
we
discussed
previously
do
not
specifically
address
water
right.
A
These
federal
protections
would
be
particularly
land
management
designations
that
would
provide
stronger
protections
for
the
trees.
As
far
as
protecting
the
water
table
itself,
that
is
still
those
decisions
are
still
within
the
purview
of
the
state
engineer,
and
any
of
those
decisions
would
would
take
into
account
the
drawdowns
as
they
did
when
the
southern
nevada
water
authority
proposed
its
projects.
J
E
Okay
chair,
would
you
like
to
go
on
to
support.
E
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
support.
G
E
I'm
sorry
miss
miss
spillsberry.
I
did
cut
you
off
when
you
were
I'm
trying
to
talk
about
h.a.r
for
in
the
last
hearing.
Do
you
want
to
make
a
brief
statement
in
support
before
we
go
on
to
the
telephone
support.
S
F
F
Okay,
I
was
just
in
in
support
of
that.
Oh,
that
was
that
was
it.
It
was
going
to
be
just
short.
I
do
support
it.
F
E
You
very
much
and
and
with
that
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
telephones.
G
G
L
Hello,
my
name
is
jayna,
moan
j-a-I-n-a
and
I'm
the
external
affairs
director
for
the
nature
conservancy
in
nevada,
chair
watts
and
members
of
the
committee.
We
are
here
to
testify
in
support
of
ajr4.
We
recognize
the
importance
of
the
bashful
lobby
for
the
native
peoples
of
nevada
and
support
additional
protections
for
this
culturally
significant
place.
L
The
conservancy
would
like
to
share
an
additional
reason
for
why
it's
important
to
conserve
spring
valley,
as
indicated
in
our
written
testimony,
the
nature
conservancy
has
recently
mapped
landscapes
in
north
america
that
can
provide
habitat
for
species
as
they
migrate
or
shift
locations
in
response
to
climate
change.
Using
this
data,
the
conservancy
identified
several
climate
resilient
corridors
in
nevada,
which
are
networks
of
connected
lands
and
waters
where
nature
can
thrive
in
spite
of
changing
conditions.
L
One
of
those
networks
which
we
call
the
monsoon
corridor
named
for
its
location
at
the
western
edge
of
the
baja
monsoonal
storms,
extends
along
the
valleys
and
ranges
in
eastern
nevada.
Spring
valley
is
a
key
node
of
the
monsoon
corridor.
We
think
it
will
provide
refuge
for
plants
and
wildlife
from
drought
and
heat.
It
is
a
unique
ecosystem
and
micro
habitat
and
there
is
no
similar
place
anywhere
else.
There
are
many
reasons
to
protect
spring
valley.
We
urge
the
members
of
this
committee
to
vote
yes
on
ajr4.
G
Q
Q
G
L
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee.
For
the
record.
My
name
is
christy
cabrera
c-h-r-I-s-t-I-c-a-b-r-e-r-a,
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
in
support
of
ajr4.
We
must
preserve
places
with
such
historic
and
cultural
importance.
Aji4
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction
to
ensuring
permanent
protection
of
swamp
cedars
and
the
special
place
where
they
grow.
We
urge
the
committee
support.
Thank
you.
G
L
L
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E-S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S
and
I'm
the
policy
director
with
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
in
nevada
here
in
support
of
ajr4.
This
legislation
recognizes
that
sacred
places
for
indigenous
peoples
exist
outside
of
the
arbitrarily
set
up
reservation
boundaries.
In
this
case,
they
exist
on
stolen
land
that
has
been
declared
part
of
the
federal
government
for
many
years.
Nevada
tribes,
who
value
this
area
as
culturally
and
traditionally
significant,
have
worked
to
preserve
the
swamp
theaters
for
future
generations.
L
G
K
K
T-E-R-E-S-A-C-R-A-W-F-O-R-D
volunteer
with
the
sierra
club
toyabi
chapter
on
behalf
of
the
club
and
our
more
than
forty
thousand
members
and
supporters
statewide.
I
am
honored
to
speak
in
support
of
ajr4
as
as
amended.
What
we
recognize
is
the
area
needs
much
higher
federal
protection
than
it
has
whether
we
encourage
our
congressional
delegation,
u.s
congress
and
the
biden
administration
to
offer
a
national
monument
listing
or
an
expansion
of
great
basin
national
park,
a
oracle
system
between
the
tribes
and
federal
officials.
K
K
This
resolution,
for
the
most
importantly
elevates
and
recognizes
a
sacred
place
for
the
ely
shoshone
duckwater,
shoshone
and
confederated
tribes
of
the
koschu
reservation
and,
as
mr
sanford
says,
nothing
like
this
has
ever
been
done
in
nevada
or
even
the
nation
and,
as
sandra
says,
sacred
places
exist
outside
the
boundaries
of
reservations.
K
The
sierra
club
is
committed
to
fighting
for
and
recognizing
the
importance
of
protecting
the
spiritual
and
cultural
practices
of
native
communities.
We
believe
this
request
to
the
nevada
congressional
delegation
is
a
critical
step
to
ensure
lasting
protection
and
peace
for
the
sacred
water
valley.
Thank
you.
G
G
M
Q?
U
e
t
c
h
e
g,
o
y
h
e
n
and
I
serve
as
a
deputy
director
for
the
nevada
department
of
conservation
and
natural
resources,
which
is
in
support
of
assembly
joint
resolution.
Four,
the
department
of
conservation,
natural
resources
recognizes
the
historic,
sacred
and
cultural
significance
of
the
swamp
cedars
and,
given
that
the
swamp
cedars
are
on
federal
land,
the
department
supports
a
federal
solution,
as
has
been
proposed
in
ajr4.
M
There
were
some
questions
regarding
how
the
division
of
forestry
would
notify
people
of
the
protection
and
protect
the
species.
If
that
bill
were
passed,
and
I
wanted
to
ensure
the
public
and
the
members
of
the
committee
that
the
division
of
forestry
would
work
in
consultation
with
the
tribes
to
determine
what
would
be
the
effective
what
would
be
effective
and
most
culturally
appropriate.
E
G
N
My
name
is
kyle
rohrink
k-y-l-e-r-o-e-r-I-n-k,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
great
basin
water
network,
chairman
watts,
and
members
of
the
committee.
The
great
basin
water
network
asks
you
to
support
ajr4
I'd
like
the
record
to
reflect
my
comments
on
av-171
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
few
more
things
in
an
area
of
critical
environmental
concern
and
a
traditional
cultural
property
are
certainly
not
strong
enough
federal
designations
for
such
an
important
place.
Nor
is
a
heritage
area
designation
and
you
know
that's
what
warrants
the
need
for
this
bill.
N
Special
circumstances
like
what's
being
proposed
or
are
warranted
for
such
outstanding
considerations,
and
I
just
wanted
to
leave
you
all
with
with
one
thing
when
cameron,
steele
and
delane
spillsberry
and
others
go
to
the
swamp,
cedars
they're
going
there
to
visit
their
family,
and
I
ask
that
that
you
think
about
that
when,
when
you're
thinking
about
this
bill,
this
this
legislation
is
about
many
things.
N
But
principle
among
them
is
a
connection
to
family
and
both
pieces
of
legislation
and
tonight's
hearing
recognize
the
connection
to
ancestry
and
that's
one
of
the
most
sacred
bonds
we
have
with
other
humans
in
this
world
and
our
past
and
the
relation
of
kinship
it's
it's
inimitable
and
for
the
descendants
of
the
nua
the
original
inhabitants
in
nevada,
basawabi
and
and
the
swamp
cedars.
N
That's
where
they
go
to
reflect,
heal,
pray,
learn,
mourn
and
remember
their
kin
and
it's
a
lens
by
which
indigenous
peoples,
you
know
see
the
world
past
and
present-
and
you
know
this
this
bill
literally
means
means
the
world
to
my
friends,
elaine,
spillsberry
and
and
chairman
steele,
and
I
just
ask
that
that
you
support
this
bill.
Thank
you.
So.
G
R
P-A-T-R-I-C-A-D-O-N-N-E-L-L-Y,
I'm
nevada
director
with
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
We
support
har4
the
existing
dedications
at
the
site
of
the
swamp
cedars
are
quit
to
protect
the
species
and
as
evidence
of
that,
blm
actually
leaked
part
of
the
tcp
or
put
a
parcel
in
the
tcp
up
east
bill
drill
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Now
it
did
end
up
getting
at
the
auction,
but
none
it
was
made
available.
E
Mr
donnelly
you're
really
breaking
up.
Do
you
wanna
you're
breaking
up?
Do
you
wanna
just
submit
written
testimony.
E
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
person
in.
G
P
Thank
you.
This
is
john
hatter
j-o-h-n-h-a-d-d-e-r,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
great
basin
resource
watch.
We
are
in
sport
and
support
of
this
resolution
for
all
the
reasons
that
have
been
discussed
already
again.
It
is
time
we
we
protect
and
and
work
with
the
the
the
the
people
that
we
have
inherited
this
land
from
that
have
been
here
for
many
generations.
P
They
appreciate
all
their
hard
work
in
in
and
protecting
their
culture
and
it's
time
that
the
state
of
nevada
and
the
people
help
them
protect
the
culture
that
is
so
important
to
their
livelihood
in
their
way
of
life.
P
G
K
Good
evening,
madame
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
this
is
marlon
mcdavid
williams,
with
strategies
360.
speaking
again
on
behalf
of
the
arena
sparks
indian
colony
and
for
all
the
reasons
outlined
in
my
previous
testimony,
we
want
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
ajr4.
Thank
you.
G
G
L
E
Thank
you
next
person
in
support.
G
M
S-P-I-L-S-B-U-R-Y,
I'm
a
tribal
elder
with
eva
shoshone
tribe,
and
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to
support
this
resolution.
In
spite
of
how
vitally
important
spring
valley
was
to
my
ancestors
survival.
Natives
don't
live
in
spring
valley
anymore.
My
people
suffered
from
what
is
now
called
ethnic
cleansing.
This
is
a
memory
worth
respecting
when
our
people
died.
In
these
three
massacres,
what
was
once
them
became
food
for
these
trees.
M
E
Okay,
then
we
will
go
to
opposition,
please
I
don't
believe
we
have
anyone
in
opposition
on
the
zoom.
So
let's
go
to
the
phones.
E
Okay,
anyone
in
neutral,
I
don't
believe
we
have
anyone
on
the
zoom
in
neutral.
So
if
we
could
go
to
the
phones,
please.
E
All
right
with
that
chair,
would
you
like
to
make
any
closing
remarks
or
have
any
of
your
or
have
your
fellow
presenter
make
closing
remark.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
vice
chair
howard
watch
for
the
record.
No,
I
believe
the
testimony
and
support,
as
well
as
the
written
testimony,
is
sufficient,
so
I'll
wave
any
additional
closing.
E
Hey
thank
you
and
with
that
I
will
bring
the
hearing
on
assembly
joint
resolution
4
to
a
close
and
have
the
chair
take
over
the
committee
again.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
vice
chair.
I
appreciate
you
helping
move
the
committee
through
those
hearings
with
that.
That
brings
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
today,
which
is
public
comment
again.
In
order
to
provide
public
comment,
you
must
register
in
advance,
you'll
get
the
call-in
and
information,
and
we
ask
that
callers
limit
their
comments
to
two
minutes
with
that,
we'll
turn
it
over
to
broadcast
production
services.
One
more
time
to
see
if
we
have
any
callers
in
the
queue
for
public
comments.
G
G
S
Cyrus
hojardi
c-y-r-u-s-h-o
e-t-y.
We
always
like
to
talk
about
environmental
protection
and
I
think
it's
very,
very
important,
but
to
truly
have
pure
environmental
protection
is.
We
need
to
address
the
elephant
in
the
room,
and
that
is
our
global
economic
system,
the
monetary
system,
whether
it
is
capitalism,
socialism,
communism
and
fascism,
they're
all
garbage
systems.
We
have
environmental
problems
solely
because
of
self-interest,
people
primarily
corporations
that
want
to
profit
heavily,
while
at
the
expense
of
others,
and
we're
not
going
to
have
environmental
protections
in
the
state
of
nevada.
S
Truly,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
high
level
of
inequality
that
buys
and
bribes
both
parties
in
order
to
benefit
the
few
over
the
many.
So
in
order
to
have
true
environmental
protection,
we
need
to
get
rid
of
the
monetary
system
and
completely
abolish
it,
and
we
need
to
implement
a
resource-based
economy.
I
suggest
you,
google,
it.
It
is
part
of
the
zeitgeist
movement.
The
venus
project
we
need
to
move
on.
S
Our
economic
system
is
becoming
more
dysfunctional,
as
technology
is
increasingly
taking
away
many
many
jobs,
the
need
of
labor
for
income
is
diminishing
and
we're
moving
toward
an
access
sharing
economy,
moving
away
from
ownership
you're,
seeing
this
with
the
lime,
scooters,
the
uberization
and
so
forth.
So
it
is
time
to
have
an
overhaul
of
the
global
economic
system,
and
this
is
going
to
solve
many
problems
around
the
world.
So
do
what
you
can
please
open
your
minds
up
and
understand
who
is
really
running
the
money
and
explains
the
root
cause
of
our
problem.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
broadcast
production
services
for
your
assistance
in
ensuring
that
every
folks
were
able
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
during
this
meeting.
Thank
you
to
the
members
for
your
questions
and
attention
for
for
this
two
hour
long
meeting.
I
appreciate
it
and
to
members
of
the
public
for
your
participation.