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A
B
A
And
I
am
here
welcome
everyone.
It
is
really
nice
to
see
familiar
faces
in
this
room
again.
I
have
to
tell
you
it's
very,
very
nice
so
with
that
we
have
two
bills
to
go
over
this
morning
in
in
joint
hearing
just
so,
everyone
has
the
lay
of
the
land.
For
today
we
will
recess.
After
this
we
will
come
back
this
evening
to
receive
the
k-12
funding
bill.
Typically,
how
that
funding
bill
works
is
the
committee
that
does
not
have
jurisdiction
over
the
bill
this
year.
A
It
will
be
a
senate
bill,
we'll
review
it
in
bill
draft
in
in
draft
form,
so
that
if
any
changes
need
to
be
made
made,
it
doesn't
get
amended.
That
slows
down
the
process,
so
we
will
view
at
the
same
time
with
senate
finance
go
through
it
together,
be
briefed
on
it
to
make
sure
everyone
is
good.
With
all
the
conversation
points
that
we've
had
over
the
last
year
or
so
on,
where
education
needs
to
be,
then
the
senate
will
take.
A
A
It
is
the
chair's
intent
to
take
public
comment
when
we
recess,
because
we
don't
know
for
sure
exactly
when
we'll
come
back
and
if
there's
a
glitch,
I
always
want
to
make
sure
folks
have
had
the
chance
are
available,
get
the
opportunity
to
make
their
public
comment.
So
with
that
we
have
two
bills
before
us
today.
A
E
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
chairman,
brooks
I'm
members
of
center
finance
for
the
record.
My
name
is
jason,
fryerson
assemblyman
for
district,
eight
speaker,
nevada,
state
assembly
and
I'm
here
to
present
assembly
bill
484,
which,
in
its
simplest
terms,
will
earmark
54
million
dollars
in
federal
relief
from
american
rescue
plan
to
update
the
information
systems
of
the
department
of
employment,
training
and
rehabilitation.
E
I
know
many
of
us
are
no
strangers
to
the
countless
phone
calls
and
emails
we
received
from
constituents
begging
for
help
with
their
unemployment
insurance
claims.
We
all
assisted
the
best
we
could,
but
the
volume
of
need
overwhelmed.
Our
antiquated
unemployment
system.
Nevada
was
not
alone
in
these
struggles
across
the
country,
states,
employment
unemployment
systems
were
crashing
with
the
vast
uptick
of
new
claims
before
covet.
19
nevada's
economy
was
thriving
according
to
data
from
dieter.
At
the
end
of
2019,
nevada
saw
an
average
of
10
000
unemployment
insurance
claims
a
year.
E
That's
the
smallest
yearly
average
since
1999.
in
february
of
2020
nevada's
unemployment
rate
was
just
3.7
percent.
However,
by
april
the
covet
19
pandemic
forced
us
all
to
stay
inside
to
save
lives
of
our
fellow
nevadans
unemployment
across
the
country
peaked
at
14.8
percent.
Unfortunately,
in
nevada
we
were
hit
disproportionately
hard
and
our
unemployment
rate
reached
29.5
percent.
E
We
went
from
an
average
of
10
000
yearly
unemployment
insurance
claims
to
more
than
271
000
uninsured
claims
by
april
of
2020..
We're
all
aware
that
our
technology
is
significantly
dated
with
limited
budgets
and
many
needs.
It
sometimes
comes
down
to
updating
technology
or
providing
more
critical
services
to
nevadans
in
need.
E
We
hired
additional
staff
called
upon
our
retirees
and
used
every
available
resource
to
help
nevadans
through
this
crisis.
However,
the
reality
is
that,
despite
the
extra
help,
our
outdated
technology
systems
left
us
fighting
a
fight
without
equipment
that
could
keep
up
with
our
needs.
While
ab4
cannot
rewrite
the
past,
it
can
put
our
state
on
a
path
forward
to
a
much
needed
21st
century
technology
upgrade
that
will
help
nevada
weather
a
future
tragedy.
I'm
confident
that
allocating
this
future
federal
aid
to
deter
will
be
a
worthwhile
investment.
E
That
concludes
my
remarks
and
and
of
course,
madam
chair,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much
speaker
fryerson.
We
appreciate
that
committee
members
any
questions
on
anything
at
this
time.
Not
seeing
any.
Thank
you,
mr
speaker
fryerson.
We
will
now
go
to
miss
caferetta
and
her
dieter
team
good
morning.
D
My
name
is
elisa
caferetta,
I'm
the
director
of
dieter,
I
am
joined
this
morning
by
the
dieter
team,
so
we
have
chris
sewell
jenny,
castleman,
jeff,
frishman,
troy,
jordan,
nancy,
st
claire
in
the
room
and
marilyn
delmont
and
linda
parvin
on
zoom,
I'm
going
to
have
to
jump
over
some
of
my
comments,
but
we're
we're
very
grateful
to
the
governor
and
the
legislature
for
their
leadership
and
prioritizing
support
and
assistance
for
dieter
and
particularly
modernizing
the
system.
As
speaker
fryerson
eloquently
summarized,
you
are
well
aware
of
the
needs
that
brought
us
to
this
point.
D
I
just
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
information
about
the
the
collaborations
and
the
work
that
we've
been
doing,
that
brought
us
to
this
point
and
and
what
we
anticipate
sort
of
doing
moving
forward.
We
do
want
to
also
give
a
shout
out
to
speaker,
buckley
and
the
members
of
the
strike
force
they
volunteered
their
time
and
energy
and
mapped
out
the
challenges
that
we
faced
as
well
as
some
of
the
strategies
for
moving
forward.
D
They
certainly
jumped
into
the
deep
end
on
our
the
technical
aspects
of
our
work
and
their
report,
I
think,
provides
a
very
compelling
case
for
why
we
need
to
modernize
the
system
we
so
ab-484
would
provide
use
of
eligible
federal
dollars
to
modernize
our
system
in
the
future,
so
that
we
can
serve
nevadans
during
good
times,
which
we
hope
to
see
very
soon
and
bad,
even
the
very
bad
that
we've
saw
in
the
pandemic
that
no
one
could
have
anticipated.
D
We
want
to
stress
that
the
department
would
use
these
dollars
on
both
immediate
system
stabilization
projects
that
are
high
impact
and
also
that
would
feed
into
the
larger
modernization
project
just
want
to
reassure
you
that
we
are
doing
our
due
diligence
on
the
analysis
of
what
is
needed.
Early
on
in
the
pandemic,
dieter
signed
a
contract
with
the
national
association
of
state
workforce
agencies.
D
D
Naswa?
The
national
association
of
state
workforce
agencies
is
really
in
a
unique
position
to
evaluate
this
question,
because
they're
made
up
of
the
workforce
agencies
of
all
of
the
states,
and
so
they
have
insights
into
all
of
the
systems
that
are
active
in
the
country
and
all
of
the
challenges
that
were
faced.
D
Their
analysis
of
our
current
system
is
that,
even
though
it's
a
fairly
modernized
system,
it's
burdened
with
costly
and
underutilized
third-party
products,
it's
very
difficult
to
fix
or
update,
because
the
software
is
complex
and
inflexible,
because
it's
so
dated
the
deter
team
has
had
to
put
in
hundreds
of
programming
hours,
building
workarounds
to
keep
the
system
working
and,
even
though,
and
and
the
early
2000s
vintage
code
will
further
decay
over
time.
Just
increasing
our
challenges.
D
D
D
The
annual
operating
costs
are
between
three
and
five
million
dollars
and
it's
fairly
typical
to
include
a
10
project
10
to
15
project
management
fee,
which
is
3.3
to
7.1,
to
5
million,
bringing
the
estimated
total
for
a
modernized
system
to
a
range
of
36.3
million
to
54.6
million
dollars.
D
The
benefits
that
nevada
can
expect
to
see
from
a
new
ui
system,
I
think,
are
quite
apparent,
but
specifically
we'll-
will
realize
significant
benefits
from
leveraging
modernized
technology
cloud
technology
specifically
provides
significant
scale,
security
and
cost
advantages.
D
We
won't
be
in
the
situation.
We
are
now
where
third-party
projects
are
no
longer
updated
or
supported
through
tech
support.
D
Specifically,
we
can
improve
the
user
experience,
which
has
certainly
a
long
way
to
go.
We
could
automate
processes
in
the
decision
making
chain,
where
possible,
use,
chat,
bots
or
virtual
assistants
to
answer
frequently
asked
questions
and
to
incorporate
fraud,
prevention
and
detection
tools
as
we
go
along.
D
D
D
We
just
wanted
to
sort
of
wrap
up
by
letting
you
know
what
we're
doing
now,
to
ensure
that
we
can
successfully
modernize
our
system
as
rapidly
as
possible
deters
it
governance
team,
which
includes
our
it
team,
as
well
as
our
business
and
program
staff.
They
have
been
working
to
develop
strategic
plans
in
anticipation
of
funding
availability
and
they
are
creating
phased
project
plans.
D
We
are
also
coordinating
with
each
the
enterprise
information
technology
services
department
of
the
state
to
and
to
complete
appropriate
technology
investment
notification,
which
is
the
form
that
you
need
to
fill
out
and
the
review
you
need
to
have
when
you're
moving
forward
with
new
technology
and
we're
relying
on
their
expertise
to
help
us
with
this
system.
D
So
we
want
to
conclude
by
letting
you
know.
We
understand
that
the
governor
and
the
legislature
have
an
interest
in
ensuring
that
this
modernization
project
and
all
these
recommendations
that
we
have
in
the
interim
remain
on
schedule
and
on
budget
we
will
schedule
regular
updates
for
the
governor's
office
and
the
legislature
as
we
go
along
so
to
wrap
it
up.
D
We
want
to
thank
the
governor,
sisilak
and
barbara
buckley
and
the
strike
force
for
making
sure
that
we're
well
equipped
to
begin
this
project
as
soon
as
funding
is
available
deters
modernization
proposal
is
the
result
of
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
our
current
system
and
options
for
moving
forward.
We
have
already
taken
steps
to
stabilize
and
speed
up
the
system
in
the
short
term
and
we
are
moving
working
to
move
quickly
through
the
state
purchasing
process,
with
expert
support
to
award
the
contract
and
begin
the
work
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
ms
caferetta.
That
was
very
helpful,
but
you've
probably
answered
a
half
a
dozen
of
my
questions.
Just
in
your
testimony.
So
that's
that's
excellent.
I
want
to
make
sure
and
go
back
when
you
were
breaking
down
sort
of
the
the
components
of
where
you
were
going
vendor
development,
20
to
30
million
support
staff
10
to
12
annual
operating
three
to
five
I'd
like
to
ask
about
the
project
management
system
10
to
15
for
project
management.
A
D
Thank
you
for
the
question
elisa
caferetta
with
dieter,
so
I
I
can
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more
putting
on
my
welfare
hat
and
I
I
also
can
throw
it
to
our
I.t
folks.
D
But
when
I
was
at
the
division
of
welfare
and
we
were
working
on
the
envy
kids
project,
we
actually
had
a
project
management
firm.
That
worked
with
the
agency,
as
well
as
the
computer
development
team
and
kept
everything
on
track
in
terms
of
schedule
and
budget
held.
Regular
meetings
made
sure
all
the
decisions
were
elevated
to
the
right
level
in
the
organization,
and
so,
as
you
move
through
the
cycle
of
the
project,
this
can
look
a
little
bit
different
in
each
phase.
D
F
Yes,
I
like
to
add
that
when
you
embark
upon
these
large
complex
for
a
lot
of
coordination
and
communication
and
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
and
so
the
project
management
using
a
structured
project,
management
methodology
becomes
very
critical
in
moving
a
project
forward,
making
sure
that
the
right
people
are
in
the
are
in
the
room
at
the
table,
making
sure
that
implementation
is
moving
forward.
F
As
I
said,
there
are
so
many
different
moving
parts
within
implementing
a
system
such
as
a
new
ui
system,
and
so
it
becomes
very
critical
and
crucial
that
a
project
management
group
is
available
and
is
ushering
us
through
that
entire
process
from
beginning
to
end
to
make
sure
to
ensure
that
the
process,
the
project
moves
along
successfully
and
it's
delivered.
You
know
within
blessing
on
time.
A
H
D
Thank
you,
alisa
cafferetta
from
dieter,
so
the
the
timeline
is
is
fluid
and
because
we
we
need
to
develop
the
rfp
for
the
modernization
and
that
will,
based
on
the
business
requirements,
really
sort
of
flush
out
what
the
timeline
would
be.
D
As
I
did
say,
we
have
been
implementing
where
we
do
have
the
funds
work,
to
stabilize
the
system,
to
increase
the
security,
to
increase
the
speed
of
the
system
and
that
work
will
continue,
because
there
are
certain
tools
we
haven't
had
the
funding
for
as
well
as
we
also
are
in
the
process
of
doing
work
right
now
for
adding
new
fraud
tools,
and
there
are
some
more
that
could
be
added
with
this
funding.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
have
a
few
questions,
so
you're
anticipating
this
to
be
well.
First
of
all,
how
did
you
determine
the
basically
you've
created
a
wish
list
at
this
point?
Where
did
the?
Where
did
all
of
those
requirements
come
from?
Is
that
just
an
in-house
thing,
or
did
you
use
a
consultant
to
help
you.
D
Alisa
caferetta
with
dieter
it's
a
combination
of
recommendations
from
our
team
on
tools
that
would
help
with
stabilization
security,
improved
speeds
and
fraud
prevention,
and
then
we
did
have
this
analysis
by
naswa
the
national
association
of
state
workforce
agencies,
and
they
they
helped
us,
add
more
detail
to
intermediate
steps.
We
could
take
to
improve
those
items
as
well
as
they
recommended
that
we
modernize
the
system.
C
So
as
you
develop,
then
the
the
actual
rfp
you're,
probably
going
to
have
some
additional
things.
Perhaps
that
you
run
into
correct.
I
mean
that
you
that
you,
that
you
don't
realize
you
need
now,
but
as
you
start
going
through
this
process,
you're
probably
going
to
need
some
additional
things.
Is
that
accurate.
D
Elisa
caferetta
for
the
record,
yes,
the
the
rfp
process
is
designed.
Building
the
rfp
is
designed
to
identify
all
the
business
requirements
that
are
needed
for
the
system,
so
that
that
flushes
out
in
quite
a
bit
of
detail
what
is
needed.
C
D
Alisa
caffaretta
for
the
record
I
so
the
recommendation
from
naswa
is
that
we
go
through
a
competitive
process,
so
develop
the
rfp
with
the
business
requirements
and
then
go
out
to
bid.
So
I
I
could
envision
a
couple
of
scenarios,
one
that
that
there
are
proposals
that
are
off
the
shelf
and
others
that
are
customized.
D
The
advantage
of
working
with
naswa
is
that
they
are
involved
with
all
of
the
states
in
the
country.
So
they've
been
involved
in
maryland,
might
have
the
exact
number
they've
been
involved
in
the
modernization
projects
of
all
the
states,
so
they
are
very
up-to-date
on
all
the
projects
that
are
currently
underway,
and
so
they
can
give
us
incredible
insights
into
the
most
successful
strategies
for
moving
forward.
F
Dr
marilyn
delmont,
idp
administrator
here
for
record
nasa
has
been
involved
in
the
modernization
of
of
20
states.
F
Most
recently,
I
would
say
13
state
in
in
cloud
based
technology,
where
they
have
seen
a
huge
benefit
and
returns
on
investment,
and
during
this
particular
this
pandemic,
the
the
states
that
they've
been
involved
in
with
cloud
they
compared
a
much
better
than
hybrid
states
and
states
that
are
somewhat
fairly
modern
life
nice
as
ourselves
as
poor.
As
rolling
out
you
know,
new
programs
for
the
affairs
act
and
those
type
of
faster
processing,
those
types.
F
Dr
marilyn
delmont
idp
administrator
leader
for
the
record,
the
cloud
the
benefit
of
a
cloud-based
system
is
that
hosted
by
a
vendor
and
the
vendor.
Does
the
programming,
of
course,
with
coordination?
You
know
with
theater
staff
this
and
I
t
staff.
They
also
maintain
the
system
as
well
as
making
sure
that
the
system
is.
This,
has
the
packages
on
on
a
regular
basis,
system
system
maintenance
and
they
also
provide
the
highly
skilled
development
staff,
that's
needed
for
programming.
F
So
as
far
as
there
would
probably
be
some
50,
you
know
inherent
staff
duties,
but
not
necessarily,
I
wouldn't
necessarily
reduction,
but
there
are
other
artillery
type
systems
that
we
have
to
it
to
account
as
well.
F
That
may
not
be
available
through
the
the
cloud-based
vendor.
J
I
know
we're
we're
making
a
decision
on
just
initial
appropriation
of
the
54
million
out
of
federal
funds
that
are
anticipated,
but
those
numbers
could
change
depending
on
you
know
the
rfp
process
either,
hopefully
less
if
we
find
a
more
competitive
bid
or
possibly
more,
could
you
just
you
know,
walk
walk
us
through.
D
That
alisa
cafferetta
for
the
record,
I
I
believe
the
simple
answer
is
that
this
is
an
appropriation
we
will
need
to,
just
as
we
would
with
any
other
money.
That's
not
in
our
budget.
D
We
will
be
developing
work
programs
and
coming
to
the
ifc
to
bring
the
money
into
our
budget
and
attach
a
work
program
to
it.
So
you'll
you'll
be
seeing
the
details
as
we
go
along
with
exactly
how
the
money
will
be
spent
and
then,
of
course,
for
every
contract
that
we
most
of
the
contracts
that
we
anticipate
under
this
modernization
project.
We
would
be
going
to
the
board
of
examiners
to
get
those
approved,
if
not
also
the
ifcs.
D
A
And-
and
thank
you
miss
cafarata,
the
only
caveat
I
would
add
to
that
is.
This
is
not
an
appropriation
it's
an
authorizations,
so
it
goes
into
the
authorizations
act,
so
you
won't
find
it
in
the
appropriations
act.
We
are
authorizing
them
to
use
federal
dollars,
but
it
will
still
come
back
to
ifc
for
work
program,
approval
and
at
any
time.
J
A
And
the
technicality
is
it's
federal
dollars
federal.
These
are
not
going
to
run
through
the
general
fund
system.
We
authorize
them
to
pull
these
dollars
down
and
to
use
them
with
reporting
back
to
us,
so
small
difference
there,
but
big
difference
in
how
you
address
it.
So
with
that,
I
believe
the
next
person
with
the
question
is
assemblywoman
miller.
C
Thank
you
chair
for
the
opportunity
for
the
question
and
thank
you
director
for
the
presentation.
It
definitely
gave
us
a
great
legislative
overview
of
the
process
and
the
next
steps.
However,
my
question
comes
down
to
the
direct
impact
on
how
this
impacts
nevadans,
and
so
what
I'm
not
hearing
in
this
discussion
is
actual
benchmarks
and
dates
that
that
we
can
measure
success
on,
and
so
what
I
want
to
know
is
when
can
nevadans,
because
we
all
know
what
our
people
are
going
through
right
now.
How
is
this
going
to
impact
them?
C
What
can
nevadans
expect
at
that
point,
meaning
from
the
time
that
a
person
has
to
apply
for
benefits
to
the
actual
time
that,
from
the
time
they
they
first
make
that
application
to
the
time
that
they
receive
their
benefits?
What
will
that
window
look
like
because
at
this
point
we're
still
in
very
desperate
times
and
it
and
to
use
the
the
the
phrase
when
I
go
back
when
I
go
home?
C
I
can't
even
use
that
phrase
because
we
are
still
getting
phone
calls
every
day
here,
while
we're
in
carson
from
our
constituents
that
are
struggling
and
not
receiving
their
benefits.
So
I'm
asking
for
what
does
this
actually
look
like
for
the
everyday
person
in
our
state?
When
can
they
expect
to
see
the
benefit
of
this
project
and
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
them
directly?.
D
D
The
dieter
team
has
been
working
diligently,
along
with
the
support
of
the
governor
and
the
legislature
and
the
strike
force
to
provide
these
answers
to
nevadans
all
during
the
pandemic,
and
so
when
I
started
the
backlog
for
claims
that
needed
to
be
processed
was
in
the
hundreds
of
thousands
and
because
of
all
of
the
measures
we
have
implemented.
Thus
far,
the
backlog
is
now
in
ui
in
the
tens
of
thousands,
and
those
are
the
more
complicated
cases
that
require
us
for
due
process
reasons
to
get
in
touch
with
both
the
employer
and
the
former
employee.
D
Today,
the
backlog
in
pua
has
been
completely
cleared
out.
We
are
current
in
pua
cases,
and
so
the
guidance
from
the
federal
department
of
labor
is
that,
from
application
to
benefits,
we
need
to
process
about
95
percent
of
the
cases
in
21
days.
So
we
are
current
on
those.
The
folks
that
are
that
are
in
the
process
are
getting
processed
in
that
recommended
timeline.
D
This
gives
me
a
chance
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
folks
at
welfare
who
are
working
with
us
in
overtime
who
have
processed
over
a
hundred
thousand
hua
claims,
so
we
we
have
just
been
digging
in
and
getting
through
the
backlog.
We've
we've
eliminated
that
in
several
places
there
is
much
to
go,
so
I
would
say
what
nevadans
will
get
out
of
a
modernized
system
when
we
ultimately
get.
There
is
a
couple
of
things
that
are
very
important.
D
One
is
we
know
that
every
10
years,
or
so
there
is
an
economic
disaster
or
crisis
and
where
we
were
before
this
particular
crisis
is
at
our
lowest
staffing
levels
and
with
the
fewest
updates
to
our
technology.
D
The
idea
of
a
modernized
system
is
that
you
are
not
sort
of
behind
when
you
need
to
staff
up
and
change
your
system
and
implement
new
programs
in
response
to
an
emergency.
So
a
modernized
system
will
allow
us
to
scale
up
quickly
in
a
disaster
and,
as
I
think,
you've
all
seen,
we've
had
several
new
programs
created
by
congress
that
we
had
to
implement
in
very
short
order.
D
The
the
pandemic
unemployment
assistance
program,
the
extended
benefits,
the
lost
wages
program,
the
the
additional
600
or
300
a
week,
and
those
programs
not
only
were
created.
They
were
updated
several
times,
so
we've
had
to
implement
in
very
short
order,
a
lot
of
new
programs.
A
modernized
system
will
allow
us
to
do
that.
As
dr
delmont
said
much
more
quickly,
the
states
that
had
systems
in
the
cloud
were
able
to
update
their
systems
more
quickly.
D
So
we
think
what
nevadans
get
in
the
future
is
a
much
more
sort
of
future-proof
disaster
response
program
that
is
able
to
handle
the
ups
and
downs
of
unemployment.
D
Given
the
constraints
of
the
way
our
administration
is
funded
and
the
way
sort
of
unemployment
is
account
or
cyclical
program.
I
hope
that
answers
the
question
follow-up.
C
Chair,
of
course,
thank
you,
so
I
I
appreciate
hearing
that
recommendation
from
the
federal
government
that
it
should
be
from
application
to
benefit
21
days.
I
think
that
gives
the
state
a
standard
to
shoot.
For,
but
again
my
question
is:
when
can
we
expect
the
modernization
of
this
system
to
be
complete.
D
Alisa
cafaretto
for
dieter,
I
I
I
know
it
sounds
like
I'm.
You
know
not
giving
a
straightforward
answer
and
the
reason
is
we
have
to.
We
have
to
do
the
rfp.
We
have
to
create
the
business
requirements,
what
is
needed
in
a
system
and
then
we
can
tell
you
how
long
it
will
take
to
implement
it.
D
A
A
We
just
don't
know
when
the
money
is
going
to
be
made
available,
so
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
come
up
with
a
plan
and
be,
and
we're
everybody's
working
very,
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
as
soon
as
those
dollars
hit,
we
can
start
moving
through
the
system.
But
we
don't
know
when
those
dollars
will
actually
come
across
the
state
borders
for
us
to
be
able
to
spend.
A
C
Madam
chair,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
question
and
I
appreciate
all
this
conversation
and
what
we're
attempting
to
do,
which
is
as
assembly
woman
miller
brought
forward,
was
to
actually
help
our
constituents
and
those
who
are
suffering
from
this
pandemic.
So
I
I
understand
all
that,
but
I'm
not
hearing,
I
think,
really
any
answers
to
to
the
questions
that
have
been
asked.
So
I
think
I
need
clarification.
So
my
question
resolves
around.
C
I
understand
the
first
line
on
this
bill
says
if
and
we're
pretty
well
reassured
that
that's
going
to
be
a
given,
but
we
just
don't
know
when
so
we're
looking
to
the
future
so
that
if
we
get
this
money
it
can
be
placed-
and
this
is
where
my
question
is:
it's
an
authorization
so
will
it
be
placed
when
we
get
this
funds
in
an
account
in
the
deter
system,
but
they
can't
spend
any
of
it
until
they
come
to
us.
Can
you
explain
someone
the
process
there.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
the
2.7
billion
dollars
for
the
record,
sarah
kaufman
legislative
council
bureau,
the
2.7
billion
dollars
will
be
deposited
into
the
authorizations
act
or
will
be
will
be
reported
in
the
authorizations
act
when
the
money
comes
as
a
result
that
will
be
directly
deposited
into
budget
count,
1327,
which
is
what
was
formerly
the
cares
act
budget,
but
will
now
be
considered
the
federal
recovery
account
and
when
the
work
program
comes
through
to
request
an
allocation
for
this
money
from
deter.
There
will
be
two
well.
J
There
will
be
a
work
program
that
basically
transfers
money
from
the
budget,
account
1327
the
recovery
fund
to
the
deter
to
deters
account,
and
so
there
could
be
stepping
stones.
So,
let's
say,
for
example,
dieter
wishes
to
come
to
the
rfp
and
it
may
cost
a
certain
amount
of
the
54
million.
They
can
come
present
a
work
program,
and
this
could
be
various
iterations
of
spending
up
to
this
54
million
dollars.
C
Follow-Up,
madam
chair,
so
just
for
clarification
and
thank
you,
mr
kaufman,
for
that.
So
in
our
general
funds,
we
have,
when
we
sit
here
through
this
committee,
we'll
have
restricted
funds
and
we'll
have
unrestricted
funds.
Is
that
going
to
be
the
same
in
in
the
1327
account
where
they're
actually
going
to
be
restricted
funds?
If
we
pass
this
bill
so
basically
we're
restricting
53
million
dollars
of
that
fund.
J
Madam
chair,
that
that
is
correct,
so
the
the
2.7
billion
dollars.
This
action
here
would
be
saying
of
that
amount.
54
million
dollars
would
be
allocated
for
that
now
moving
forward.
If
the
system
is
completed
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
54
million,
then
that
leftover
remaining
dollars
can
be
used
for
other
purposes
up
to
the
december
31st
2024
deadline.
When
the
american
recovery
funds
must
be
spent.
C
Thank
you
thank
you
for
that
and
then
a
question
directly
to
ms
cafferetta,
if
I'm
sure
so
in
your
opening
testimony,
you
mentioned
a
kind
of
grand
view
of
the
breakdown
of
these
funds,
20
million
going
to
the
actual
development
of
the
system.
But
then
then
you
mentioned
that
10
to
12
million
dollars
would
be
allocated
to
support
staff.
C
So
I
understand
that
at
this
point
in
time
these
are
federal
funds
that
are
coming
in,
but
I
always
worry
about
how
we're
spending
the
federal
funds
and
then
falling
off
that
cliff
when
suddenly,
the
federal
funds
are
done
by
2024,
and
now
we
have
spent
10
to
12
million
dollars
on
support
staff.
Are
you
anticipating
that,
then
the
state
would
have
to
be
picking
up
that
10
to
12
million
dollars
a
year
for
support
staff.
D
Elisa
caferetta
from
theater
for
the
record,
so
this
this
high
level
budget
is
from
again
from
naswa.
This
is
sort
of
the
the
approach
that
they
or
a
ballpark
set
of
figures
that
they
are
giving
us
based
on
what
other
states
have
done,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
there
are
staff
that
are
needed
both
at
dieter
and
also
you
bring
in
consulting
staff
to
help
with
the
the
costs
that
are
specifically
related
to
developing
and
implementing
the
system.
D
D
The
annual
ongoing
maintenance
cost
of
three
to
five
million
actually
is
in
the
ballpark
of
what
we
are
spending
now
on
an
annual
basis,
possibly
a
little
bit
lower.
We
we
do
recommend
going
to
a
cloud
system,
because
there
are
certain
things
that
the
cloud
providers
do,
that
our
staff
would
not
need
to
do
any
longer.
So
we
think
that
the
ongoing
staffing
costs
would
be
consistent
or
less
than
we
are
currently
spending.
A
You're
very
welcome
with
that
senator
dondera
loop.
D
Elisa
caferetta
with
dieter,
so
my
understanding
is
that
historically,
the
rates
of
fraud
in
unemployment
systems
have
been
between
three
and
ten
percent.
I
think
we
all
know
that
the
the
fraud
that
we've
seen
based
on
some
of
the
pandemic
responses
that
have
been
created
have
been
much
higher
than
that.
So
I
think
that
has
sort
of
been
the
standard
that
we've
seen
around
the
country.
Historically
is
three
to
ten
percent.
D
Thus
far,
the
id
me
requirement
that
the
that
congress
put
in
place
is
going
in
place
for
both
of
our
systems
that
has
significantly
reduced
applications
so
far,
but
every
time
we
implement
a
security
or
fraud
update
the
imposters
sort
of
figure
out
a
way
around
it,
so
that
that
is
some
something
that
will
continually
need
to
update
and
again
it's
an
advantage
of
being
in
a
cloud
system
is
that
it
is
easier
to
update
your
system
and
respond
to
ongoing
issues,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
the
the
fraud
level
we
saw
before
the
pandemic
will
will
continue.
D
K
And
it's
not
going
to
be
a
band-aid
in
bayley
meyer.
It's
going
to
be
a
full,
deep
dive
implementation
of
a
modern
system
that
will
serve
this
state
for
years
moving
forward.
And
so,
while
I
appreciate
all
the
questions
and
all
the
the
frustrations
with
where
we've
been,
I
see
this
as
a
bright
day
moving
forward,
so
that
nevadans
get
the
support
that
they
need
in
the
best
of
times
and
in
the
worst
of
times.
So
I
just
speaker
and
majority
leader
governor
who
I
feel
pretty
confident,
is
going
to
sign
this
one.
A
And
and
thank
you
senator
eddie-
and
I
I
just
want
to
echo
that
you
know
over
the
years
I
we
we
went
through
the
last
downturn
and
we
saw
what
dieter
had
to
go
through
by
taking
out
the
loans
spreading
it
across
the
payer
base,
everything
that
was
involved.
We
finally
got
ourselves
out
of
that
one
right
as
this
one
hit
and
we
had
always
had
conversations
about
updating
the
system,
but
when
the
state
had
such
huge
needs,
you
know
education,
mental
health,
public
safety
and
your
unemployment
rate
is
at
three
percent.
A
You
have
to
weigh
all
those
factors
when
you
make
those
decisions,
but
you
know
the
best
way
to
fix.
Dieter
is
to
put
people
back
to
work,
so
once
people
get
back
to
work,
we
can
help
it'll
make
it
a
little
easier
to
solve
some
of
these
problems.
So
I
think
there's
a
bill
out
there
somewhere
about
that.
So
that
would
be
a
really
good
thing
to
do
is
just
get
everybody
back
to
work.
So
with
that
I
have
mr
roberts
and
then
I'll
go
down
to
senator
hammond.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation
this
morning,
a
lot
of
questions
have
been
asked.
M
Already
you
came
up
with
a
a
decent
breakdown
on
on
what
the
money
will
be
allocated
for,
and
I
understand
you're
in
an
rfp
process
or
you're
about
to
go
on
an
rfp
process
and
I'm
just
curious.
I
know
you.
L
D
Alisa
capretta
for
the
record.
I
I
think
it's
thanks
for
the
question
I
I
we
had.
We
did
ask
because
this
this
money
is
time
limited.
We
are
aware
of
the
pressing
need
to
move
expeditiously.
D
D
M
What
you're
shooting,
for
you
know?
Obviously
we
do
need
to
upgrade
the
system,
and
you
know
we
definitely
need
it
for
the
future
and
whatever
we
do
to
help
we're
here.
Thank.
I
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
echo
the
kind
of
the
sentiments
from
my
colleague
in
the
senate
senator
rowdy.
I
think
this
is
definitely
one
of
those
issues
that
crosses
both
party
lines
and,
and
we
understand
the
the
need
of
getting
this
done.
Many
of
our
constituents
have
been
calling
even
during
session.
O
I
know
that
we're
probably
fielding
two
three
four
five
phone
calls
a
day,
still
oh,
not
maybe
a
day
but
a
week,
and
I
tell
you,
your
office
has
been
great
when
it
comes
to
sending
over
requests
and
getting
things
done,
but
it
is
definitely
one
of
those
issues
that
we
we
thought
was
priority
number
one,
which
is
why
we
put
sb
419
together
with
some
of
the
same
requests
or
at
least
a
portion
of
their
question
here.
O
O
O
One
of
the
suggestions
that
we
had
made
is
that,
although
we
have
a
very
good
system
right
now
and
when
it
comes
to
making
sure
folks
are
getting
their
money,
one
of
the
things
that
could
have
been
done
and
we
added
in
our
bill-
was
talking
about
the
first
payment
being,
maybe
processed
through
a
check
that
way
you
had
not
only
the
state
looking
at
and
verifying
the
recipient,
but
also
an
institution,
a
financial
institution
looking
at
and
verifying
that
the
person
is
is
who
they
say
they
are.
O
Is
there
still
the
ability
to
do
that?
There
are
things
that
we
put
in
our
bill
at
419,
that
we
thought
you
needed
to
have
legislation
for,
but
perhaps
there's
another
method
of
doing
that,
and
so
some
of
the
suggestions
we
put
in
there
have
you
thought
about
it.
Can
you
implement
them
without
a
bill.
D
Lisa
caferetta
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
we've
reported
to
various
legislative
committees
that
we
have
reviewed
the
re
recommendations
of
the
special
master,
as
well
as
the
recommendations
from
the
strikeforce
report,
and
we
are
moving
forward
with
implementing
those
that
we
can
implement
now.
Several
have
been
completely
put
in
place,
others
require
sort
of
either
funding
or
are
waiting
on
sb
75,
which
has
some
small
technical
corrections
that
we
need
in
our
statute.
D
We
are
required
by
a
law
to
have
more
than
one
payment
methodology,
so
checks
are
available
in
special
cases
for
folks
who
don't
maybe
have
bank
accounts,
but
it
is
very
labor-intensive,
and
so
it
is
the
exception
and
not
the
rule,
but
we
certainly
are
as
part
of
the
ongoing
work
we
are
doing
looking
at.
Are
there
other
ways
we
can
pay
claimants
going
forward
because
the
the
world
of
banking
and
the
world
for
non-banked
individuals
is
changing,
so
that
will
be
part
of
our
intermediate.
D
Long-Term
solutions
is
alternative
payment
methods,
but
those
are
long-term
or
intermediate
methodologies
that
will
we
will
get
to
as
we
can
develop
them
going
forward.
O
Thank
you.
So
if
I
understood
correctly,
what
you're
saying
is
that
follow
up
follow
up
please
yeah.
What
I
understood
is
that,
during
the
initial
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
just
ramping
up
to
to
service
and
getting
checks
out,
there
really
required
a
purchasing
of
equipment.
Maybe
additional
hours
put
into
man
hours
put
into
this
as
well
and
at
a
substantial
cost.
O
I
would
imagine
I'd
love
to
know
if
you've
broken
that
down
how
much
that
would
have
cost,
because
over
the
time
that
we
were
issuing
these
payments
when
we
were
sending
out
money
through
dieter,
I
think
during
these
I
think,
the
special
session,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
believe
we
were
talking
about
almost
50
percent
of
the
money
going
out
was
in
fraud,
we're
somewhere
between
3
billion
to
5
billion.
D
Elisa
caferetta
for
the
record,
I
don't
know
that
we've
done
an
analysis
sort
of
of
ongoing
what
the
cost
of
doing
checks
would
be
versus
the
the
fraud
that
went
out.
I
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
sort
of
the
information
that
we
have,
but
I
think
overall
nevada
was
just
like
all
the
other
states
that
were
completely
overwhelmed
by
the
the
volume
of
claims
and
particularly
on
top
of
that,
the
volume
of
fraud,
and
so
we
were
all
working
as
quickly
as
we
could
to
implement
fraud
protection
measures.
D
But
I
I
guess
I
would
I
would
say
I
I.
I
am
very
proud
of
the
work
that
dieter
did
again.
We
alluded
to
this
in
the
opening
comments.
You
know
we
were
able
to
keep
our
system
up
and
online.
D
D
But
I
I
think
we
we
did
the
best
we
could
with
the
tools
at
hand,
and
I
think
the
the
team
did
an
excellent
job
and
and
the
fraud
work
particularly
I
will
let
you
all
know
will
be
sort
of
ongoing
for
several
years.
We
know
the
secret
service
and
the
department
of
labor
office
of
inspector
general
have
ongoing
investigations.
D
I
think
you'll
continue
to
hear
about
those
investigations
and
prosecutions
for
many
years
to
come.
O
Thank
you,
mrs
capra.
I
I
tell
you
your
staff
is
to
be
complimented
for
the
work
that
they
did
and
especially
under
dire
circumstances.
I
think
we're
all
looking
forward
to
seeing
a
system
much
improved
in
the
next
couple
years
and
something
that
we
can
rely
on
in
case.
Something
like
this
happens
again.
I
think
I'm
just
looking
at
some
of
the
the
solutions
making
sure
that
we
look
back
and
see.
O
I
guess
what
we
saw
when
we
when
we
look
at
the
maybe
not
the
mistakes,
but
I
don't
want
to
call
them
mistakes,
but
certainly
we
learn
lessons
from
looking
back
and
that's
why
I
want
to
go
back
and
look
at
that.
You
know
fraud
and
the
fraud
that
happened,
I
think
is,
is
you
know
nevadans
I
mean
that
was
a
lot
of
money
that
was
going
on,
so
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
what
we
we
may
have
be.
You
know
what
we
can
learn
from
that
and
then
move
forward.
A
And
thank
you
very
much
senator
hammond.
In
my
experience
and
I've
encountered
this
a
number
of
times
being
in
this
building.
You
could
have
a
five
million
dollar
problem
that
you
need
to
solve,
but
it's
going
to
cost
you
a
little
over
eight
million
dollars
to
implement
the
solution
by
doing
it
through
a
refund
or
by
check.
A
A
I
Thank
you,
chair
calton,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
dieter
and
for
the
work
of
former
speaker
buckley
and
miss
cafarata
for
the
work
that
they've
done
to
help
clear
up
the
backlog
and
to
work
on
the
fraud.
But
I
also
want
to
put
a
little
perspective
on
the
timeline
of
this,
so
the
state
was
shut
down
march
17th
around
april
9th.
We
added
people
to
the
call
center,
so
we
started
sort
of
the
band-aid
process.
I
I
We
made
choices
with
the
federal
dollars
in
august
of
2020
we
passed
sb3,
which
we
really
led
to
kind
of
getting
this
all
turned
around,
and
since
august
of
last
year,
which
has
been
about
10
months,
we've
had
choices
to
make
whether
we
wanted
to
get
a
new
system
using
general
fund
dollars
or
federal
dollars,
of
which
we
had
a
lot
of
money.
I
And
now
the
way
this
bill
is
written,
we're
going
to
be
waiting
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
money
july
that
comes
in
after
july
1st.
Actually,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
when
we
get
this
federal
dollars
once
we
can,
we
know
that
we
recognize
that
we're
going
to
work
on
the
system.
I
just
think
we
need
a
backup
plan,
and
so
my
question
is
whether
or
not
we
have
the
federal
funds
or
not.
This
needs
to
be
done.
It
needed
to
be
done
sooner
and,
and
we've
asked
for
a
timeline
repeatedly.
I
I
So
I
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
alternative
and
not
wait
to
secure
these
federal
dollars
that
we
should
be
acting
now
and
assume
that
we
need
to
use
general
fund
dollars
if
we
can't
use
the
federal
dollars,
but
we
can
switch
sources
as
needed,
because
this
is
a
lengthy
process
having
to
go
through
now
that
we're
in
may
of
2021
an
rfp
process
to
put
this
together
and
we've
also
seen
other
states,
do
it
pretty
rapidly.
So
I
appreciate
the
band-aids
along
the
way.
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
on
the
fraud
and
really
getting
that
under
control
and
that
we
have
so
many
more
nevadans
that
are
back
to
work
now,
which
is
taking
some
pressure
off
the
system,
but
I
think
we
need
we
should
have
given
54
million
dollars.
Is
the
number
ways
to
cover
that
sooner
versus
later
to
get
it
done
and
get
us
on
track?
Thank
you.
So
do
you
have
a
plan?
Do
you
have
a
plan
just
in
case,
and
can
you
start
now
instead
of
waiting?
Thank
you.
D
Elisa
caffaretta
for
dieter.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I
would
just
reiterate
that
we
have
been
implementing
a
variety
of
measures,
both
staffing
and
technology
measures
as
we've
gone
along.
As
you
say,
there
have
been
infusions
of
funds
from
the
federal
government,
so
we
have
put
in
place
several
technology
improvements
to
address
the
fraud,
to
improve
the
processing
speed
of
our
system,
to
improve
the
security
of
the
system
and
to
allow
it
to
handle
the
larger
scale
of
applications
that
we've
been
processing.
D
We
do
have
several
intermediate
steps
that
can
be
funded
if
and
when
the
funds
become
available,
and
we
have
been
working
with
the
governor's
office
and
the
legislature
to
sort
of
identify
those
and
prioritize
them.
So
we
can
pull
that
out
as
a
plan
of
intermediate
steps
that
you
can
see
as
far
as
the
backup
plan.
The
first
step
in
the
process
really
is
to
develop
the
rfp,
which
outlines
the
business
and
program
requirements
of
a
modernized
system.
D
So,
as
chair
carlton
has
pointed
out,
this
is
an
authorization,
but
if
once
we
have
the
rsp
rfp
and
the
requirements,
we
can
come
to
you
with
the
work
program
and
the
discuss
the
funding
sources.
That
would
make
the
most
sense
to
move
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
it
will
because
these
rfps
are
fairly
complex.
D
Four
to
six
hundred,
even
a
thousand
business
requirements
have
to
be
identified
that
the
just
building
the
rfp
itself
itself
will
take
a
couple
of
months,
so
we
will
sort
of
be
in
communication
with
you
as
we
go
along
and
we
can
discuss
sort
of
alternative
options
for
moving
forward
where
it
makes
sense
and
where
we
have
a
very
clear
idea
of
where
we
are
going
with
the
modernization.
D
I
The
states
waited
a
really
long
time
and
it's
and
we
just
we
need
to
get
it
done,
and
there's
really,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
out
there
who
haven't
been
able
to
get
their
checks
and
all
the
fraud
and
all
those
things
and-
and
I
think,
looking
at
the
new
system
is
needs
to
be
done
immediately
and,
if
not
in
the
past
right,
we
waited
a
lot
of
months
to
get
here.
Thank
you.
A
And
and
thank
you
senator,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
to
reiterate
that
we
had
a
crisis
in
this
state.
People
needed
money
to
be
able
to
feed
their
families
and
stay
housed
in
the
midst
of
a
pandemic.
I
congratulate
dieter
for
not
bringing
the
system
down
for
keeping
it
running.
I
wouldn't
call
it
band-aids.
A
I
think
they
worked
very
hard
to
find
solutions
to
every
problem
that
was
in
front
of
them
to
be
able
to
smooth
the
system
out,
but
I
don't
believe
any
system
could
have
withstood
the
stress
that
that
system
took
in
a
matter
of
15
days
when
you
shut
down
the
economic
engine
of
a
state
on
one
street
and
you're
literally
putting
10
manufacturing
plants
out
of
work
in
one
day.
I
don't
think
any
system
could
have
withstood
that.
A
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record
jason
fryerson.
I
will
just
reiterate
that
what
we
are
trying
to
do
had
we
done
this
ten
years
ago.
We
would
be
seeing
results
right
now,
and
so,
when
we
were
talking
about
deliverables,
the
deliverables
are
for
the
next
crisis.
E
Had
we
been
able
to
have
the
foresight
to
modernize
modernize
our
system
10
years
ago
I
went
in
my
closet
and
opened
a
computer
I
had
in
law
school
and
it
was
actually
making
sounds
trying
to
turn
on
that's
our
system,
so
I
am
not
remotely
hesitant
in
investing
dollars
and
trying
to
modernize
our
system,
and
I
wish
that
we
had
had
the
vision
to
be
able
to
see
that
this
could
happen
and
have
done
this
a
long
time
ago.
So
I
appreciate
the
work
that
dieter
did.
E
I
agree
with
you,
madam
chair,
that
dieter
didn't
shut
down.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
and
I
would
be
remiss
to
not
mention
my
predecessor
on
many
fronts
and
speaker.
Barbara
buckley's
efforts
to
help
us
weather
this
storm,
but
it's
impossible
to
know.
You
know
my
computer.
A
Thank
you
very
much
speaker
with
that.
This
is
a
bill,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
as
a
bill
hearing
for
ab484
those
in
support
of
ab484.
If
you
would
come
forward
please
and
with
our
time
constraints
this
morning,
if
you
would
be
sure
to
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes,
it
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
H
For
the
record,
my
name
is
annette
magnus
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
battleborn
progress.
Ab484
is
one
of
the
bills
that
we
and
nevadans
have
been
waiting
for
all
session
long,
and
we
thank
speaker
fryerson
for
his
leadership
in
bringing
this
forward
for
the
past
year.
Members
of
our
team
and
myself
have
personally
experienced
all
of
the
obstacles
that
you
have
heard
about
when
it
comes
to
dieter's
antiquated
system.
H
H
O
C
A
B
G
Hi
committee
members,
my
name
is
coordinator,
that
is
sub
m
a
r
I
a
last
name
n.
I
e
c
o
space
o
r
t
a
as
you
know,
latinos
have
been
unproportioned
disproportionately
affected
by
the
corbin
19
pandemic,
both
in
health
and
economically.
This
bill
is
needed
because
nevada
is
not
ready
to
face
mass
evictions.
G
As
we
know,
these
evictions
are
going
to
affect
latinos
people
of
color
and
immigrants.
The
most
most
nevadans
here
do
not
qualify
for
for
relief,
and
we
need
to
ensure
we
are
protecting
them
at
msc.
We
helped
them
navigate
their
system.
We
also
provided
them
with
a
one-time
check,
relief
and
a
lot
of
folks
were
saying
that
they
were
going
to
be
using
that
check
in
order
to
be
in
order
to
be
able
to
pay
for
their
rent,
and
they
still
do
not
have
basic
necessities
like
food.
If.
A
G
A
So
if
you
that
will
be
our
next
bill,
that'll
be
no,
that's
quite
all
right
this
technology,
so
I
apologize
when
we
get
to
the
next
bill.
You'll
be
queued
up
then
so,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
for
being
here
and
being
available
when
we
get
to
the
next
bill.
Thank
you
so
broadcast
services
do
we
have
any
other
support
for
assembly
bill
484
on
the
call
line.
B
G
Good
morning,
assemblywoman
carlton
and
by
sonoma
moreno,
this
is
dora
martinez,
d-o-r-a-m-a-r-t-I-n-e-z
good
morning
to
the
rest
of
the
ways
and
means
and
finance
committee.
I
represent
the
nevada
disability
action
coalition
and
we
do
support
this
bill
with
a
little
reminder
for
the
theater
gang.
Please,
when
you
do
get
your
website
fixed,
keep
people
with
disability
in
mind
and
do
not
purchase
accessibility.
This
is
an
overlay
overlay
software
for
your
website
and
it
will
not
make
it
accessible
for
people
like
myself.
Who
is
blind.
G
A
lot
of
people
with
disability
who
are
in
my
coalition
were
not
able
to
independently
fill
out
the
application
and
during
the
pandemic
it
was
very
difficult
to
find
a
person
that
they
can
trust
to
do
that
for
them.
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
carlton
and
your
committee,
you
guys,
are
awesome
and
very
resilient.
Thank
you
and
have
a
beautiful
morning.
A
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
broadcast
services.
I
believe
the
speaker
has
already
made
his
closing
comments
and
somehow
he
slipped
out
the
back
door
on
me.
So
with
that
we
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
484
and
we
will
open
up
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
486
with
that
I'll
invite
our
presenters
forward
chairman
yeager
is
presenting
the
bill.
A
N
Good
morning,
chair,
carlton,
chair,
brooks
and
members
of
the
joint
assembly
ways
and
me's
and
finance
committee.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
present
assembly
bill
486
this
morning.
My
name
is
steve
yeager
I
represent
assembly
district
9
in
southwest
las
vegas.
As
you
can
see,
I'm
joined
at
the
table
by
mr
michael
brown
executive,
director
of
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development.
We
also
have
behind
me
and
to
my
right,
your
nevada
state,
treasurer
zach,
conan
and
former
speaker,
barbara
buckley
executive
director
of
the
legal
aid
center
of
southern
nevada.
N
With
the
chair's
permission,
I
would
like
to
give
some
very
brief
opening
remarks
and
then
turn
it
over
for
very
quick
remarks
to
director
brown,
treasurer,
conine
and
speaker
buckley
and
after
that
I'll
take
you
to
the
bill
and
amendment
at
a
very
high
level
and
I'll
do
that
as
quickly
as
I
can
and
then,
of
course
would
be
available
for
some
questions
to
help
with
questions.
I
have
mr
jim
birch
told
an
eviction
legal
expert
here
with
us
in
the
room.
N
I
also
believe
we
have
others
on
the
zoom
to
help
answer
questions
including
judge,
melissa,
seragosa
for
the
las
vegas
justice
court
and
representatives
from
clark
county.
The
last
14
months,
as
you
know,
have
been
extremely
challenging
for
everyone
and
navigating
the
housing
and
evictions
has
been
a
particularly
arduous
task.
N
Like
me,
I'm
sure
all
of
you
have
heard
from
and
provided
help
to
your
constituents
experiencing
and
fearing
housing
insecurity
early
on
governor
sislek
recognized
the
need
to
keep
nevadans
with
roofs
over
their
heads
as
a
critical
element
of
the
stay
at
home
for
nevada
plan.
The
governor
has
announced
an
end
date
to
the
current
state
eviction
moratorium
that
is
june.
N
Ab486
seeks
to
do
three
main
things
number
one
integrate
the
rental
assistance
programs
into
our
eviction
and
mediation
process.
Number
two
ensure
people
have
access
to
neutral
third
parties
to
remedy
cases
wherever
possible
and
number
three
provide
greater
assistance
to
small
landlords
who
may
not
be
able
to
access
federally
funded
rental
assistance.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
michael
brown,
executive
director,
governor's
office
of
economic
development,
and
I'm
pleased
to
testify
today
on
behalf
of
governor
sislek
and
his
administration
in
support
of
ab-486,
and
the
amendments
brought
forth
by
osama
bin
lager
housing.
Instability
is
critical
to
our
con
housing.
Stability
is
critical
to
our
economy
and
continues
to
be
one
of
the
most
integral
pieces
of
our
recovery
plan.
P
Housing
instability
undermines
the
key
infection
prevention
measures
that
have
been
deployed
during
the
pandemic
policy
strategies
must
be
comprehensive
and
focused
not
only
on
the
public
health
challenges,
but
also
supporting
recovery
and
building
resilience
going
forward.
Evictions
in
general
disproportionately
affect
low-income
people
of
color
and
the
health
consequences
of
eviction
widen
both
racial
and
social
economic
disparities
in
public
health.
P
P
Research
shows
that
to
reduce
infection
rates
and
ease
economic
hardships,
governors
governments
need
to
tackle
eviction
issues
head
on
and
that's
what
this
group
has
been
doing.
The
next
step
is
to
move
forward
and
to
avoid
as
many
preventable
evictions
as
possible
as
the
moratoriums
are
lifted
and
ensure
rental
payments
are
paid
to
landlords.
To
keep
tenants
housed,
we
have
to
address
the
vicious
cycle
where
residents
can't
pay,
rent
and
landlords
still
struggle
to
pay
their
bills.
Now
we
have
been
aiding
with
the
assistance
of
this
legislature
and
the
interim
finance
committee.
P
Small
businesses
with
the
pets
program
and
the
craig
program
that
the
treasurer
and
I
have
been
jointly
managing
ab486,
builds
off
that
by
adding
further
support
and
assistance,
specifically
for
small
landlords,
while
continuing
to
assure
that
money
prevents
evictions.
My
office
and
his
office
stand
ready
to
help
other
government
agencies
in
rolling
out
that
small
part
of
this
recovery
plan
and
with
that
I'll
turn
to
my
friend
and
colleague,
treasurer
conan,
who
has
been
integral
in
these
assistance
programs.
M
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
Director
brown,
chair,
carlton,
chair,
brooks
for
the
record,
I'm
zach
conan
and
I
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
as
your
nevada
state
treasurer
over
the
course
of
the
pandemic.
We've
experienced
tremendous
effects
on
our
economy
and
our
workforce.
When
governor
sysolak
made
the
difficult
decision
in
the
early
part
of
2020
to
keep
people
safely
in
their
homes,
it
became
clear
that
the
state
was
going
to
need
to
do
something
to
ensure
that
tenants
could
make
their
rent
payments
and
landlords
could
be
made
whole
as
many
other
agencies
did.
M
The
treasury
got
straight
to
work
and
found
ways
that
could
be
helpful
to
nevadans
who
were
struggling.
We
stood
up
new
programs
overnight,
with
virtually
no
support
and
resources
providing
critical
assistance
to
nevadans.
In
the
midst
of
the
crisis,
we
worked
with
banks,
credit
unions
and
mortgage
servicers
to
ensure
that
no
one
would
have
their
homes
foreclosed
on
them
because
of
coveted
related
hardships.
We've
stood
up
the
largest
small
business
program
in
history
with
my
friend,
director
brown,
which
has
already
approved
more
than
98
million
dollars
to
over
9
000
businesses.
M
And
finally,
we
work
to
coordinate
the
state's
rental
assistance
efforts,
otherwise
known
as
the
cares
housing
assistance
program
or
chap.
To
date,
there
has
been
a
significant
investment
in
rental
assistance
from
the
federal
government,
the
state
and
local
communities.
The
idea
behind
these
rental
assistance
programs
is
to
allow
for
tenants
to
apply
for
the
assistance
directly
and
then
ensured
that
landlords
are
paid
directly
to
avoid
diversion
of
funds.
M
When
we
look
at
clark
county
alone,
more
than
107
million
dollars
in
housing
or
utility
assistance
has
been
paid
to
more
than
24
000
households
in
southern
nevada,
with
additional
funding
recently
provided
by
the
american
rescue
plan,
there's
a
little
over
160
million
dollars
in
additional
funds
that
are
available
for
rental
assistance
and
an
additional
100
million
dollars
beyond
that.
That
will
go
in
the
program
in
total
around
the
state
there's
about
360
million
dollars
of
unspent
rental
assistance
dollars
between
the
original
cares
act.
M
The
december
consolidated
appropriations
bill
and
the
march
american
rescue
plan
bill
in
administering
these
programs,
the
nevada
housing
division,
clark,
county
social
services,
the
reno
housing
authority
and
the
nevada
rural
housing
authority
have
worked
tirelessly
to
get
funds
out
the
door,
so
landlords
have
been
forced
to
miss
out
on
income
due
to
the
eviction.
Moratorium
can
recoup
those
costs,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
them
for
their
work.
M
Why
do
we
need
this
bill?
The
amount
of
time
and
energy
that
has
been
put
into
administering
these
rental
assistance
programs
throughout
the
state
has
been
incredible.
Ab486
provides
critical
adjustments
to
these
programs
to
ensure
that
they
can
continue
to
be
effective
in
meeting
the
needs
of
nevadans
when
the
eviction
protections
are
no
longer
in
place
in
administering
rental
assistance.
Up
to
this
point,
one
of
the
more
significant
challenges
we've
seen
is
that
we
have
two
different
processes
in
place
for
people
to
receive
assistance.
M
On
one
hand
we
have
the
local
governments
running
rental
assistance,
programs
that
assess
eligibility
and
issue
funding.
On
the
other
hand,
we
have
a
mediation
program
run
through
the
courts,
with
different
processes.
Different
timelines
and
much
quicker
deadlines
last
year
when
the
moratoriums
expired
for
a
short
period
of
time.
We
saw
that
mediations
and
court
hearings
were
happening
before
a
decision
was
made
on
the
tenant's
rental
assistance
application.
M
That
means
that,
even
though
the
tenant
was
doing
the
right
thing
in
trying
to
receive
funds
to
make
their
landlord,
whole
barriers
in
the
process
may
have
negatively
impacted
their
eviction
status.
Additionally,
many
small
landlords
have
been
willing
participants
in
the
chap
and
eviction
mediation
process,
yet
have
become
increasingly
frustrated
at
delays
and
uncertainty.
In
that
process,
ab486
will
go
a
long
way
in
helping
to
smooth
out
confusion
and
delays
in
connecting
landlords
with
federal
dollars
which
are
currently
available
for
rental
assistance.
M
To
put
it
simply,
this
bill
will
ensure
that
we
don't
leave
a
single
federal
dollar
on
the
table
for
rental
assistance.
It
will
also
make
sure
that
there's
no
tenant
who
gets
evicted
when
there
are
funds
available
to
keep
them
in
their
homes.
The
state
of
nevada
has
a
responsibility
to
expend
the
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
that
we
have
available
to
us
for
rental
assistance
by
working
to
connect
the
rental
assistance
process.
M
With
the
eviction
mediation
program,
we
can
work
to
rebuild
the
livelihoods
of
the
people
who
have
lost
so
much
during
the
pandemic
and
equally
as
important.
We
can
help
the
smaller
landlords
with
one
or
two
properties
who
are
losing
everything
through
no
fault
of
their
own.
Our
office,
along
with
the
housing
division,
continues
to
assess
the
treasury
guns
as
it
relates
to
these
rental
assistance
dollars
and
how
they
can
be
used.
And
it's
critical
to
note
that
landlords
and
tenants
are
only
eligible
for
the
dollars
prior
to
an
eviction
being
effectuated.
M
In
the
same
thing,
we
need
to
ensure
that
tenants
can
avoid
a
worst-case
scenario
of
having
their
wages
garnished
for
years
to
come,
while
available
rental
dollars
remain
available
to
state
and
local
levels
and
go
and
spend.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
the
importance
of
this
critical
piece
of
legislation.
M
I'd
now
like
to
pass
it
off
to
speaker
buckley,
who
can
go
into
more
detail
on
why
the
evictions
protections
in
ab-486
are
absolutely
necessary,
and
if
I
could
just
take
a
point
of
privilege
to
thank
speaker
buckley
for
all
her
work,
she
keeps
showing
up
when
we
need
her
and
it's
deeply
appreciated.
Thank
you.
K
Buckley,
thank
you.
Madam
chair
chair,
brooks
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
barbara
buckley
and
I
am
a
former
speaker
and
executive
director
of
legal
aid
center
of
southern
nevada,
where
I've
been
for
31
years,
but
I've
never
seen
a
year
like
the
year.
We
have
just
experienced,
not
9
11
when
planes
stopped
flying
to
our
tourist
economy,
certainly
not
the
last
foreclosure
crisis.
K
It's
a
year,
that's
been
marked
by
suffering
like
I
have
never
seen.
People
who've
worked
every
day
in
their
life
suddenly
found
themselves
out
of
work.
Their
business
shut
down
our
unemployment
system,
as
you
well
know,
wasn't
ready
for
a
half
a
million
applications.
The
first
day
we
had
350
million
people
on
unemployment
all
last
year.
K
The
uncertainty,
the
lack
of
hope
not
knowing,
what's
going
to
happen,
not
being
able
to
feed
your
family,
not
knowing
whether
you're
going
to
be
staying
in
your
home.
You
all
know
you've
heard
the
same
stories.
You've
lived
the
same
stories
and
certainly
while
we
hear
people
on
unemployment
had
it
so
good.
Have
it
so
good
right.
K
We
saw
the
struggles
they
they
faced
to
get
unemployment
assistance,
the
delays,
the
fees
they
incurred,
while
they
had
delays
and
just
looking
at
a
sample
legal
aid
center
client
a
server.
I
compared
her
income
pre-pandemic,
even
if
you
count
every
stimulus
check
and
every
dollar
and
every
bump,
her
income
still
is
25
percent
less
than
it
was
pre-pandemic.
K
How
many
people
can
survive
with
your
bills?
Your
car
payment,
your
house,
payment,
your
kids,
your
medical
expenses
with
a
quarter
less
on
unemployment,
and
it
can't
be
overstated
that
the
governor's
action
on
the
moratorium
saved
lives.
If
we
would
have
had
massive
evictions
of
tens
of
thousands
of
people,
the
spread
of
covid
would
have
been
significant
through
our
homeless
shelters
through
families
doubling
and
tripling
up,
and
so
I
thank
him
and
his
staff
for
their
leadership.
K
K
Well,
that's
what
this
bill
before
you
does.
We
will
marry
the
rental
assistance
process
to
our
mediation
process
and
our
court
process.
So
just
how
exactly
will
we
do
that?
What
we've
been
planning
this
isn't
like?
We
want
you
to
pass
this
bill
and
then
we'll
think
about
it
right.
We
have
been
meeting
and
planning
and
here's
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
Most
of
these
comments
are
about
clark
county,
but
they
apply
statewide.
K
K
We
are
going
to
set
up
pop-ups
for
tenants
who
haven't
yet
heard
about
rental
assistance
or
how
to
respond
to
an
eviction.
The
las
vegas
clark,
county
library,
district
and
legal
aid
center.
Southern
nevada
will
be
announcing
that
today,
we'll
be
doing
these
on
saturdays
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
do
one
in
their
districts,
let
me
know
we're
going
to
do
one
in
west
las
vegas
library,
one
at
trop
and
pecos
we're
trying
to
spread
them
out
throughout
the
community
on
site.
K
We've
recruited,
40
volunteer
law,
students
from
the
william
s,
boyd
school
of
law
shout
out
to
our
wonderful
associate
dean,
christine
smith,
we've
hired
law
students
and
what
they
will
do
is
on
the
phone.
They
will
navigate
so
that
people
who
don't
understand
upload
your
w-2
can
actually
get
some
help
doing
that
as
a
legal
community.
K
We're
always
wanting
to
expand
mediation
and
alternative
dispute
resolution
because
it
works
thanks
to
the
work
done
by
this
body
last
session
and
commissioner,
shannon
chambers,
we
have
stood
up
an
effective
eviction,
mediation
program
that
we
can
now
expand
and
rely
upon
communications
and
relationships
with
some
landlords
and
tenants
have
completely
broken
down
right.
They
don't
trust
each
other,
but
with
a
skilled
mediator,
we
can
bring
these
parties
together
and
get
the
landlord
paid.
K
We
have
360
million
dollars
to
avoid
that
from
happening.
Ab486
has
a
large
focus
on
the
key
role
our
legal
system
plays.
The
bill
will
ensure
that
our
courts
have
jurisdiction
and
ability
to
integrate
all
of
the
hard
work
that
has
been
done
by
so
many
already
from
the
supreme
court
to
the
chiefs
of
our
justice
courts
to
the
highest
levels
of
clark,
county
legal
aid
providers,
non-profit
organizations
statewide
simply
won't
our
normal
processes.
Just
simply
won't
work
for
this
unique
moment
in
time.
K
A
Thank
you,
speaker,
buckley,
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
have
done.
We
all
appreciate
it
being
one
of
those
folks
that
have
helped
people
stay
in
their
homes.
We
know
how
important
it
is
so
with
that
chairman
yeager.
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
us
up
here.
It's
very
disconcerting
trying
to
find
the
person
who's
talking.
It's
like
a
voice
from
beyond
chairman
yeager.
N
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
steve
yeager
for
the
record
again,
thank
you
for
letting
other
folks
weigh
in
on
this,
and
before
I
go
over
the
bill,
I
I
did
want
to
say,
as
as
everyone
has
noted,
this
has
been
a
collaborative
effort
going
over
the
past
few
months,
so
there
are
probably
too
many
people
to
name,
but
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone
who
pitched
in
on
this.
It
has
been
a
monumental
effort,
so
I
will
take
you
through
the
bill
and,
as
you
noted,
there
is
a
conceptual
amendment.
N
It
does
have
my
name
on
it,
so
that
is
friendly.
I
will
note
that
conversations
are
still
ongoing
about
some
concerns
that
are
out
there.
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
get
this
as
as
right
as
we
can,
but
I
think
it's
in
a
good
place
for
this
morning.
So,
starting
with
the
bill
itself,
section
one
provides
definitions
and,
and
we've
added
some
additional
definitions
for
clarity
in
the
amendment
based
on
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
judiciary
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
creating
conflicting
statutes.
N
Section
two
allows
a
tenant
that
chooses
to
file
an
answer
to
an
eviction
notice
to
inform
the
court
that
they
have
a
pending
rental
assistance
application.
The
court
will
then
stay
the
eviction
until
the
rental
assistance
application
is
either
granted
or
denied,
unless
the
landlord
shows
evidence
that
the
case
should
be
placed
on
calendar.
The
problem
here
is
that
tenants
have
been
falling
through
the
cracks
and
have
been
evicted,
while
their
applications
for
rental
assistance
were
still
pending.
N
N
Please
note
that
the
amendment
in
section
2,
subsection
3
cleans
up
this
language
as
a
wrongful
eviction.
Action
is
not
appropriate
where
no
eviction
has
actually
occurred,
and
I
did
want
to
note
madam
chair
mr
chair,
that
lcb
did
a
heck
of
a
job
drafting
this
bill
in
a
very
quick
time
frame.
So
a
lot
of
these
amendments
that
need
to
be
made
are
just
because
I
did
not
provide
the
level
of
clarity
that
I
think
they
needed
to
make
sure
that
the
bill
actually
reflected
the
intent,
but
we'll
make
sure
that
that
happens.
N
Going
forward
section
three
of
the
bill
adds
an
important
remedy
for
a
small
number
of
bad
actors
that
we
have
encountered.
It
allows
a
court
to
penalize
a
landlord
or
a
tenant
to
file
a
wrongful
eviction
claim
against
a
landlord
who
evicts
them
after
accepting
rental
assistance
and
agreeing
not
to
evict
them.
There
is
also
a
cleanup
in
the
amendment
for
section
3,
subsection
3,
to
ensure
judges
have
broad
discretion
to
look
at
the
specific
circumstance
of
each
case
that
might
appear
in
front
of
him
or
her
as
you've
heard
during
the
last
special
session.
N
N
This
is
a
minor
change
to
landlords
procedures
that
will
have
great
value
to
tenants,
informing
them
of
what
assistance
is
available
and
helping
them
navigate
this
complex
system-
and
may
I
say,
madam
chair,
I'm
delighted
to
hear
speaker
buckley
talk
about
what
the
law
school
is
doing
to
help
some
of
these
folks.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
tremendous
opportunity
and
will
fit
nicely
with
the
provisions
of
section
5..
A
similar
requirement
for
this
notification
currently
exists
in
the
governor's
directive
that
is
expiring
on
june
1st
and
we're
almost
there
committee
section.
N
N
Section
seven
requires
the
state
to
disperse
five
million
dollars
of
funds
for
additional
rental
assistance
in
situations
where
a
small
landlord
is
unable
to
access
the
existing
rental
assistance
program
due
to
the
treasury
guidelines.
This
will
not
slow
down
the
progress
of
the
rental
assistance
programs.
Instead,
it
will
complement
those
programs
and
compensate
those
small
landlords
who
may
not
otherwise
qualify
for
rental
assistance.
N
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
note
in
the
conceptual
amendment
the
very
last
part
of
that
amendment,
I
do
note
that
we
need
to
clarify
the
five
million
dollars
that
we're
discussing
in
the
bill,
because
the
way
the
bill
is
the
way
the
bill
reads.
It
suggests
that
it
would
be
federal
funding
that
has
the
same
housing
restrictions
that
have
caused
delays.
That
was
not
our
intent.
N
Our
intent
is
to
find
five
million
dollars
of
unrestricted
monies
so
that
when
we
have
landlords
who
cannot
engage
with
the
tenant
want
to
keep
the
tenant,
there
want
to
be
made
whole
that
they'll
be
able
to
access
that
money
directly.
So
I
won't
have
to
go
through
the
treasury
guidelines,
so
I
am
working
with
the
governor's
office
to
figure
out
the
exact
wording
of
that.
But
the
idea
is,
it
would
be
existing
funding.
N
emergency
rental
assistance
funds
expire
on
september,
30th
2025.,
so
it
makes
sense
for
the
sunset
date
to
be
right
at
the
end
of
the
next
legislative
session.
So
those
who
are
here
in
this
building
can
revisit
these
measures
and
evaluate
where
we're
at
and
whether
additional
changes
need
to
be
made.
N
So,
madam
chair,
I
hope
that
was
a
quick
enough
and
high
enough
overview,
and
I
stand
ready
for
questions
and,
as
noted,
I
have
a
number
of
experts
with
me
here
who,
I
think
can
answer
more
detailed
questions
if
they,
if
you
have
any
on
the
eviction
process
and
how
we
envision
this
working
in
the
day-to-day
world
so
committee.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
Greatly
appreciate
it
and
we'll
be
ready
for
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much
jerry
yeager,
so
I
guess
my
first
question
is
going
to
be
because
this
is
the
money
committees
you're
talking
about
five
million
dollar
allocation
and
you're
talking
about
unrestricted
dollars.
So
could
you
expand
upon
that
a
little
bit
on
what
you're?
Actually
looking
for?
Because
we
heard
speaker
buckley
talk
about
360
million
dollars
in
rental
assistance
out
there
and
you're
talking
about
five?
A
So
if
you
could
elaborate
on
that,
please.
N
Madam
chair
steve
yeager
for
the
record,
if
you
would
allow
me,
I
would
I'd
like
to
invite
treasurer
conan
forward,
because
I've
had
extensive
discussions
with
him
and
I
think
he
can
probably
explain
some
of
the
ongoing
issues
and
what
the
five
million
is
intended
to
do.
And
again,
with
this,
the
caveat
that
I'm
still
working
with
the
governor's
office
to
figure
out
exactly
how
we
can
structure
that.
A
And
just
to
put
something
on
the
record,
because
this
is
the
world
I
live
in
in
my
private
life,
I
know
of
a
small
nonprofit
that
went
through
two
million
dollars
in
less
than
a
year,
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
five
million
dollars
in
this
particular
instance
is
not
a
whole
lot
of
money.
When.
A
M
Thank
you,
chair
and,
first
off
completely
agree.
5
million
dollars
in
this
universe
is
not
a
lot
of
money,
but
it's
a
start
to
try
and
provide
a
safety
net
for
small
landlords
who
are
falling
into
a
doughnut
hole
of
support.
So
the
era
funds
which
are
the
emergency
rental
assistance
funds
that
came
through
the
december
consolidated
bill
through
congress,
as
well
as
through
the
arp
that
360
million
dollars
of
outstanding
rental
assistance.
M
We
speak
about,
have
treasury
guidance
around
them
and
one
of
the
big
pieces
that
treasury
guidance
is
that
funds
are
unavailable
for
for
tenants
who
make
over
80
ami
and
the
other
requirement
is
that
tenants
are
involved
in
the
process.
M
So
if,
for
whatever
reason,
there
is
a
tenant
who
is
not
being
responsive
and
we
cannot
get
them
to
be
responsive
through
the
eviction
mediation
process
right
so
there's
a
tenant
who
perhaps
has
just
disappeared
still
in
the
house,
but
isn't
being
responsive,
isn't
responsive
when
government
reaches
out.
What
we
wanted
to
create
was
a
safety
net
for
small
landlords,
starting
at
five
million
dollars
that
if
nothing
else
works,
we
could
still
try
and
make
them
whole.
That's
the
purpose
of
that
money
and
I
believe
in
the
bill
there's
language
around
coming
back
to
ifc.
M
A
M
Treasurer
conan
for
the
record,
I
I
will
give
it
my
best
and
certainly
might
pass
it
over
to
other
experts,
but
in
the
first
chat
program,
when
it
was
put
out,
we
used
flexible
coronavirus,
relief
fund
or
crf
dollars
from
the
cares
act
that
was
passed
on
march
28th.
That
was
some
money
of
2020..
M
M
They
create
delays
because
the
tenant
has
never
gone
through
something
like
this
before
and
so
they're,
not
sure
what
information
to
provide
the
landlord,
specifically
the
smaller
landlords,
those
quote
unquote:
mom
and
pop
landlords
aren't
as
familiar
with
having
to
provide
that
information
and,
of
course
the
government
wants
to
make
sure
the
information
is
good
and
under
treasury
guidance
we
have
to
be
able
to
keep
track
and
prove
that
individuals
did
fall
into
the
the
covered
population,
and
so
that
has
led
to
changes
in
technology.
M
That's
led
to
some
of
the
slowdown
that
we're
all
familiar
with
in
getting
the
money
out
the
door
and,
to
some
extent,
that's
led
to
frustration
and
effectively
an
abandonment
of
the
process
by
some
of
the
people
who
are
applying.
This
is
too
hard,
I'm
never
going
to
get
there.
I've
lost
my
job
sort
of
a
sense
of
despair,
and
one
of
the
goals
of
this
legislation
is
to
provide
through
the
mediation
process
through
making
it
clear
who
these
individuals
are,
so
that
we
can
reach
out
to
them.
M
As
a
government
and
say
hey,
look
I
understand.
Perhaps
you
have
a
bad
relationship
with
your
landlord,
but
we're
here
to
help
we
can
find
some
middle
ground
here
and
so
that
you
know
the
the
more
recent
money
era,
1
and
era
2
and
just
add
some
complexity
to
it.
M
The
march
the
money
that
came
in
december
or
is
coming
from
the
december
bill,
has
different
rules
than
the
money
that
came
in
march,
just
because
government
and
so
we're
trying
to
work
through
that
and
make
sure
that
we
can
get
all
that
money
out
the
door
and
have
a
safety
net
at
the
end
of
it.
A
M
The
80
ami
is
a
threshold,
so
80
of
area
median
income,
so
different,
based
on
where
you
live
in
the
state,
is
the
threshold
at
which
you
can
receive
rental
assistance
under
era
1,
which
is
the
money
that
came
in
december
in
era,
2,
there's
a
separate
piece
of
language
that
refers
to
another
chunk
of
statute
that
also
constrains
the
income
availability
and
that
income
availability,
luckily
from
an
administration
process,
is
looked
at
in
the
month
that
you
are
applying
for
aid.
M
So,
if
you're
applying
for
aid
in
say
january,
it's
looking
at
your
income
in
january
compared
to
the
area
median
income
in
january.
That
is
obviously
complex.
That
is
obviously
hard
for
folks
to
understand.
I
don't
know
of
many
residents
of
nevada
who
spend
a
lot
of
time,
saying
gosh,
I'm
at
82
this
month,
so
it
extends
the
process,
makes
it
a
little
bit
difficult.
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
Chair.
A
A
A
They
were
way
beyond
that
particular
threshold,
but
they
lost
their
jobs
also
and
were
not
allowed
to
access
any
funding
because
of
where
their
income
was,
even
though
they
were
march,
the
18th
it
went
to
zero.
So
I
I
thank
the
the
treasurer
for
addressing
that
and
ultimately,
it
hurt
the
landlords
because
the
landlords
could
not
collect
so.
This
was.
This
is
a
way
to
that.
One
small
group
of
folks
that
might
be
out
there
might
be
able
to
get
assistance
for
their
particular
landlords
because
they
did
try
to
work
together
on
that
one.
A
A
I
don't
think
I
have
any
other
questions
at
this
time.
Committee
members.
A
Q
Q
I
wanted
to
address
your
question
about
small
landlords,
so
under
the
bill
in
section-
and
this
is
in
section
six
of
the
bill,
a
small
landlord
is
basically
someone
who
owns
a
fourplex
or
smaller.
So
it
is
someone
who
owns
a
single-family
home
or
a
single-family
residence
that
could
be
up
to
four
units
is
seeking
rental
assistance,
for
at
least
one
dwelling
unit
is
domiciled
in
the
state
of
nevada.
A
A
We'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
a
couple
of
questions
now,
since
we've
got
a
couple
folks
at
the
table,
so
majority
leader
did
you
have
a
question.
R
I
do,
and
I
think
it's
just
more
about
making
sure
we
have
intent
really
clear
on
the
record,
so
between
section
seven
and
then
section
six,
so
we've
talked
about
that
five
million.
I
think
we've
got
on
the
record
that
the
goal
of
that
five
million
is
to
be
more
pliable
and
flexible
than
some
of
the
federal
rules
around
the
emergency
rental
assistance
program
and
that
pot
of
money
there.
R
I
don't
see
anything
in
the
language,
especially
in
section
six,
that
talks
about
creating
an
assistant
process
that
would
prevent
us
from
saying
that
we
can
tailor
that
into
a
way
that
would
look
different
than
what
the
federal
rules
tell
us.
We
might
need
in
the
era
process
right.
So
I
guess
a
good
example
of
that
would
be
if
we
have
a
person
who
is
on
other
need-based
programs
that
have
done
the
work
to
establish
a
person's
financial
need.
R
Let's
say
like
medicaid
right
that
there
might
be
the
option
there
too,
as
opposed
to
standing
up
a
new
financial
process
within
section
six
that
that
there
could,
since
it
would
be
kind
of,
like,
I
guess,
more
nevada
dollars
that
are
not
attached
the
ara
guidelines
that
that
we
could
have.
I
don't,
I
guess,
our
own
process
of
that
attestation
on
that
financial
need.
That
would
be
a
short,
a
shorthand
to
help
get
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
in
these
situations.
Where
we're
dealing
with
these
kinds
of
time
frames.
N
Steve
yeager
for
the
record.
I
agree
with
that.
100,
the
flexibility
is
there
and
you
know
one
question
you
might
have
is
well.
Why
didn't
we
just
try
to
stand
up
a
whole
new
program
with
this
five
million
dollars?
For
those
of
you
who
have
been
dealing
with
this
issue,
we
thought
it
best
to
use
the
existing
programs
that
are
in
place
in
the
state
and
be
able
to
use
this
money
sort
of
as
a
supplemental
subset
of
money
where
they'd
be
able
to
to
disperse
that
money
in
certain
certain
circumstances.
C
C
It
appears
to
be
75,
but
then
is
prohibited
from
commencing
eviction
for
90
days.
After
that,
my
understanding
is.
Evictions
could
take
60,
maybe
even
90
days
at
some
times
if
they
agreed
to
take
the
75
percent
and
then
continue
to
not
no
longer
receive
rent.
After
that
and
the
90
days
and
plus
the
60
to
100
or
90
more
days,
could
the
landlord
then
come
back
in
for
those
additional
months
of
of
non-payment
of
rent
or
they?
N
Steve
yeager
for
the
record,
assuming
that
there's
still
rental
assistance
there,
I
think
they
they
could
come
back.
The
tenant
could
come
back.
Certainly
if
they're,
if
they're
you
know
the
landlord
is,
I
don't
want
to
say,
made
hole
because
they're
not
made
whole
but
75
hole
in
the
agreement
is
I
won't
evict
for
90
days.
So,
let's
say,
as
of
that
date,
that
that
happens,
there's
still
no
payment,
there's
no
additional
rental
payment
for
those
next
90
days.
N
Assuming
that
there's
monies
available,
the
tenant
would
be
able
to
come
back
and
ask
for
rental
assistance
to
try
to
satisfy
that.
If
there's
a
situation
where,
for
whatever
reason,
maybe
the
tenant's
not
engaging,
we
would
have
that
that
extra
bucket
of
money
that
could
be
used
and
if
that
wasn't
appropriate,
then
at
the
conclusion
of
those
90
days,
the
landlord
would
be
able
to
take
any
action
as
appropriate
to
evict.
N
So
essentially,
the
trade-off
here
is
the
the
landlord
will
get
75
of
the
arrears
that
could
be
going
all
the
way
back
to
march,
but
in
exchange
for
that
they're
going
to
give
a
reprieve
of
at
least
90
days
before
they
seek
to
evict.
But
if
they
don't
receive
rental
payments
in
those
90
days,
when
that
90
day
expires,
they
can
go
through
the
normal
process
of
eviction.
A
N
Steve
yeager
for
the
record,
I
can't
tell
you
there's
any
real
scientific
basis
there.
I
think
we
just
in
sort
of
looking
at
this
issue
decided.
Where
do
we
think
we
could
land?
That
would
be
at
least
somewhat
equitable,
and
also
with
the
realization
that
we
wanted
that
that
money
to
extend
as
far
as
possible,
but
I
will
tell
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
that's
a
number,
that's
certainly
open
for
discussion.
A
I
I
You
know
a
process
on
their
end
and
on
the
tenant
side
it's
means
tested,
so
you
have
to
be
within
a
certain
range
and
if
that
person
isn't
within
that
certain
range,
then
the
landlord
can
apply.
If
someone,
if
someone
starts
the
process
of
applying,
but
they
don't
qualify,
is
it
still
all
right
for
the
landlord
to
start
their
process?
Because
there's
some
language
here
about
the
tenant
has
not
tried
to
has
not
applied?
Is
it
applied
or
has
it
been
successful
successfully.
I
Q
For
the
record
and
make
sure
I
understand
your
question,
so
are
you
asking
if
the
tenant
has
already
started
to
apply
for
rental
assistance
through
the
chap
program?
Can
the
landlord
also
start
the
process
of
applying
through
that
supplemental
program.
I
Well,
it's
probably
a
little
further
than
that.
So
someone
starts
the
application
as
a
tenant,
but
then
they
they
don't
qualify.
But
I
I
think
when
I
first
read
the
language
it
said
if
if
the
tenant
had
tried
to
was
applying
or
had
applied,
that
the
landlord
couldn't,
but
in
some
cases
they're
not
going
to
meet
the
means
testing
right.
I
So
when
I,
when
I
looked
at
the
the
area
median
income
between
50
and
80,
for
like
one
person,
it's
28
to
44.6
thousand
dollars,
if
you
have
a
family
of
four,
it's
you
have
to
be
between
or
below,
like
63.7
thousand
dollars
a
year,
so
so
somebody's
applied,
but
they're
not
successful,
because
they
they
probably
make
more
income,
and
so
can
the
landlord
still
apply.
Even
though
the
tenant
has
applied
and
been
unsuccessful.
Q
Jim
burch
told
for
the
record.
Yes,
I
think
that's
correct.
I
think
it's
envisioning
situations
where
the
tenant
hasn't
started.
The
process
or
the
tenant
isn't
cooperating
in
starting
the
process,
but
certainly
if
the
tenant
has
applied
and
has
been
denied,
I
see
no
reason
why
why
the
landlord
couldn't
start
the
process
and
try
to
pick
that
up
and
if
that's
not
clear
in
the
language.
That
certainly
is
something
that
could
be
revised.
I
Thank
you
and
then
looking
at
the
guidance
right
now
to
qualify
again
when
you
go
back
to
the
the
average
median
or
the
area,
median
income
they're
using
an
annual
income,
and
is
it
is
it
locked
down
on
the
annual
income?
Because
I
think
if
you
were
to
look
back
on
someone
for
three
months,
if
you
were
able
to
look
at
like
a
three
month
period,
that's
going
to
be
different
than
the
last
12
months
or,
if
you're
having
to
use
your
federal
tax
return
right,
which
represents
something
completely
different
than
the
situation.
I
N
I
Well,
I
know
the
definition
of
the
area
median
income
is
month
to
month,
but
as
far
as
when
you're
qualifying,
is
it
the
month
that
you're
in
so
it's
your
month,
so
that,
in
my
mind,
if
people
really
are
short,
that's
very
helpful
that
it's
a
moving
target
because
you
can
get
more
folks
qualified
based
on
the
status
that
they
are
at
the
time
versus
the
prior
year.
And
then
my
last
question
was
really
around.
I
think
it
makes
sense.
I
The
five
million
dollars
has
some
flexibility
to
it,
because
if
we
have
a
big
pot,
360
million
dollars
and
there's
no
way
that
somebody's
going
to
qualify
to
have
some
relief
for
landlords,
because
I
think
that
situation
is
going
to
happen,
and
I
don't
know
whether
the
art
funds
are
going
to
have
a
little
more
discretion
to
them
or
not.
Because
it
sounds
like
these.
The
360
is
more
related
to
earlier
tranches
of
funding
from
the
federal
government.
I
So
do
you
and-
and
I
think
you
wrote
the
bill
to
anticipate
that
you
would
be
looking
for
other
sources.
So
I
guess
the
question
to
that
would
be.
Would
it
be
five
million
or
greater
like
a
minimum
of
five
million,
because
you
may
need
more
money
on
that
side
of
it?
If
people
don't
qualify
on
on
the
the
la
tenant
side,.
N
Steve
yeager
for
the
record,
so
the
five
million
dollars
is
envisioned
in
the
bill,
is
sort
of
the.
What
I'll
call
the
the
seed
money
to
get
the
program
started,
but
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
look
at
that
exact
question
of.
If
we
burn
through
that
five
million
dollars
I
mean
in
an
ideal
world.
Maybe
we
don't,
maybe
the
360
that's
out
there
is
able
to
be
used,
but
if
we
do,
is
there
a
way
that
that
can
be
replenished
with
funds?
N
That
would
similarly
not
have
the
restrictions
and
so
we're
sort
of
working
through
that.
But
I
think
when
we
envisioned
it,
this
would
be
sort
of
the
initial
funding
and
then
sort
of
based
on
how
it
rolls
out
and
the
demand
there
could
be
some
opportunity
to
use,
hopefully,
additional
federal
funding
that
is
not
restricted
in
that
same
sense,
to
replenish
the
fund.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
one
other
question,
so
my
other
questions
related
to
sort
of
the
timeline,
because
in
my
mind
this
is
sort
of
the
last
resort.
Money
you've
got
a
tenant
who's
not
been
able
to
qualify
that
received
notices.
They
know,
there's
a
program
out
there,
there's
our
not
arbitration,
but
the
alternative
dispute
resolution.
I
You
you've
got
that
all
set
up
the
timeline
of
having
to
wait
60
days
to
try
to
find
the
tenant
to
say
you
want
to
apply,
is
pretty
long
and
so
because
if
you
do
start
the
eviction
process,
I'm
not
familiar,
but
I'm
thinking
that's
like
60
to
90
days.
So
maybe
we
want
to
look
at
tightening
that
up,
because
this
is
sort
of
the
last
resort
for
someone
and
if,
if
a
landlord's,
applying
they're,
probably
pretty
strapped
for
cash
at
this
point
in
time,
thank
you.
N
Yeah
steve
yeager
for
the
record
I'll,
certainly
say
that
we
are
continuing
to
discuss
that
timeline
to
try
to
find
what
would
be
the
appropriate
balance,
realizing
that
the
goal,
of
course,
is
to
use
that
federal
money
and
if
we
need
to
help
the
tenant
to
get
there.
Because
of
some
of
the
difficulties
that
were
mentioned,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
adequate
time
to
do
that,
but
certainly
willing
to
look
at
the
time
frame.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Thank
you
for
asking
about
the
75
for
the
landlord
assistance.
I
had
the
same
question
as
well,
and
I
just
want
to
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
L
Assemblyman
yeager
did
do
we
know
have
any
other
states
done
a
similar
model
to
provide
assistance
to
landlords
where,
when
tenants
may
not
be
eligible
for
federal
aid
through
the
existing
programs
and
did
they
use
a
similar
75
figure,
I
just
it's
just
a
little
hardware,
it's
just
where,
where
that
landlord
could
be
made
100
whole
and
unfortunately,
they
can't
because
the
tenant
might
make
too
much
money
to
qualify
for
federal
assistance.
L
So
I
I
mean
I
understand,
trying
to
stretch
the
money
as
far
as
we
can
with
the
five
million
dollars,
because
I
don't
think
five
million
dollars
is
going
to
go
very
far.
We
saw
how
quickly
we
went
through
some
of
the
other
rental
assistance
dollars,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
start.
There
is
that,
if,
if
that
was
maybe
a
number
that
other
states
had
used,
75
percent.
N
L
I
L
Then,
if
I
could
follow
up
madam
chair
and
then
I
just
want
to
understand
the
process-
because
I
know
you
mentioned
that
this
was
this
bill
would
help
marry
the
process,
the
assistance
through
the
eviction
process,
and
so
if
a
tenant
has
applied
for
rental
assistance
and
they
don't
qualify
because
maybe
they
make
90
ami
correct
and
then
the
landlord
files
an
eviction
through
the
courts
within
the
courts.
It
would
be
the
court's
responsibility
to
let
the
landlord
know
that
there
is
assistance
out
there.
Q
Jim
burchfeld,
so
currently
under
the
bill,
there
is
no
requirement
that
the
landlord
apply
before
the
eviction
go
forward,
but
the
application
for
the
landlord
for
that
supplemental
program
is
always
available
to
the
program
or
to
the
landlord.
So
they
could,
they
could
frankly
apply
at
any
time
as
far
as
the
court
notifying
the
landlord
that
that
program
exists,
I
don't
think
there's
any
of
currently
nothing
in
the
bill
that
would
that
would
require
the
court
to
notify
the
landlord
that
the
program
exists.
Q
N
And
steve
yeager
for
the
record,
I
think
I
can
shed
a
little
bit
of
light
on
this
too,
because
you
think
of
a
scenario
where
a
landlord
files,
a
landlord,
seeks
to
some
summarily
evict
a
tenant.
First
of
all
the
tenant
has
to
answer.
If
the
tenant
doesn't
do
something
affirmative,
the
eviction
is
going
to
go
forward
and
I
think
what
we've
learned.
N
I
think
the
latest
stats,
where
three
out
of
four
tenants
don't
ever
file
anything
so
we're
talking
about
only
really
25
percent
currently
of
tenants,
are
even
engaging
in
the
court
process
to
be
able
to
sort
of
open
up
an
eviction
proceeding
in
those
cases.
What
this
bill
does
it
allows
the
tenant
to
say.
Look
I
have
a
pending
rental,
a
pending
application
for
rental
assistance.
N
That's
not
necessarily
happening
now
and
then,
if
that's
the
case,
the
court
sort
of
stays
that
proceeding,
but
to
your
question
of
what?
What?
If
the,
what
if
the
tenant
doesn't
qualify?
What
happens,
then?
I
think
this
is
where
you
see
the
really
nice
marriage
of
the
eviction
mediation
program.
That
is
there
as
well,
because
I
think
the
idea
is
that
kind
of
program
can
at
least
inform
the
landlord
that,
even
if
your
tenant
doesn't
qualify,
there's
this
additional
tranche
of
money
that
you
may
be
eligible
for
now.
L
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
your
indulgence
and
then
is
there
any
way
you
can
anticipate
whether
five
million
dollars
would
be
enough
based
on
how
many
people
have
not
qualified
for
the
rental
assistance
that
have
applied?
Do
we
have
those
figures
tracked?
How
many
people
have
actually
applied
that
weren't
awarded
assistance.
M
So
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
start
with
five
million
dollars
and
have
it
be
a
very
open
process
and
we've
had
this
conversation
with
the
apartment
association
with
the
real
iteration
with
a
number
of
other
stakeholders
is
because
we
don't
have
a
great
idea
in
the
first
era,
one
which
were
the
funds
that
came
through
the
december
bill
started
being
dispersed
relatively
recently
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
they've
had
some
people
fall
out
of
the
queue
the
queue
was
about
this
big
and
now
the
queue
is
about
9
000
people
applying
down
from
in
the
20
000
range.
M
The
sort
of
for
what
reason
that
tenants
would
fall
out
of
the
queue
is
is
unknown,
and
so
we
want
to
do
this
program
so
that
we
can
get
that
data
and
understand
who's
falling
into
what
donut
holes,
because
in
parallel
with
this
effort,
is
an
effort
in
constant
communication
with
the
white
house
and
the
federal
delegation
to
make
changes
to
the
era
program,
funding
that
is
already
out
there
to
be
more
to
match
the
needs
of
nevadans,
and
so,
as
we
know,
from
a
treasury
guidance
perspective,
at
least
if
the
the
cares
act
is
anything
to
speak.
M
Of
that
guidance
is
going
to
change
it's
going
to
adjust
and
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
say,
hey,
look,
here's
the
data
here
are
the
people
that
are
falling
in
the
donut
hole
here
in
nevada.
Not
only
do
we
want
to
get
them
the
funds,
but
we
want
to
get
that
data
direct
and
specific
at
a
statewide
level,
so
that
we
can
communicate
and
try
to
get
those
funding
streams
and
the
guidance
associated
with
them
adjusted.
A
And
you're
welcome
miss
hadagi
and
to
the
communications
issue.
I
will
tell
you
that
over
the
last
year
I
had
numerous
people
call
me
saying
that
the
apartment
managers
or
the
landlords
had
left
letters
taped
to
their
front
door
with
my
agency's
phone
number
on
it.
To
give
us
a
call,
so
believe
me,
if
there's
money
out
there
and
the
word
gets
out,
it
will
get
to
the
right
people
and
I
had
landlords
calling
asking.
Can
I
apply
for
this
too?
A
So
that
was
part
of
the
conversation
moving
forward,
because
they
were
in
the
same
position
so
trying
to
address
that?
I
don't
think
communication
on
this
issue
will
be
will
be
a
problem.
The
word
of
mouth.
It
will
be
like
wildfire
once
they
find
out
that
this
is
available.
So
senator
kaycuffer
is
next.
S
Thank
you,
madam
chair
appreciate
it.
So
I
see
the
I
see
the
bill
working
sort
of
with
these
multiple
sort
of
entities
having
to
be
functioning
on
all
you
know,
firing
on
all
cylinders
right,
so
you've
got
justice,
courts,
processing,
the
actual
evictions.
You've
got
the
supreme
court's
mediation
program.
S
You've
got
the
local
housing
authorities,
processing
the
applications
for
assistance.
I
think
that
that's
where
the
applications
go
right
and
then
you've
got
sort
of
some
of
these
fixed
timelines.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
more
like
bandwidth
and
capacity
and
functionality
are:
are
they
all
working
together
in
a
way
right?
Now
that
is
going
to
make
these
deadlines
actually
feasible
or
where
are
are
we?
You
know
our
court's
going
to
need
some
more
money
to
do
this?
Where,
where
are
we.
Q
So
over
the
past
couple
of
months,
legal
aid
center.
Q
Jim
burch
told
it
for
the
record.
Over
the
past
couple
of
months,
legal
aid
center
has
been
part
of
a
working
group
that
has
included
clark
county
social
services.
It's
included
representatives
from
the
justice
court,
all
of
the
stakeholders,
all
the
parties
who
are
working
on
this
effort,
and
it's
been
surprisingly
successful
how
everyone
has
come
together
to
really
make
this
happen,
the
the
the
unknown
is.
We
just
don't
know
how
many
evictions
we're
facing
right
now.
Q
You
know
estimates
have
ranged
up
to
130
000
households,
we
don't
know
if
that's
accurate,
we
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
hit
all
at
once
if
it's
going
to
be
spread
out.
So
as
far
as
capacity,
the
idea
is
that,
with
this
bill
in
place,
it
will
regulate
how
fast
everything
is
moving
forward
and
marry
the
processes
together,
so
that
you
don't
have
one
process
overwhelmed
in
one
process,
doing
nothing
and
everything's
together.
So
that's
the
goal
anyway,
yeah.
S
That's
sort
of
how
I,
how
I've
read
it
as
well.
I
appreciate
that
so
how
long
right
now
is
it
taking
for
either
the
housing,
housing
authorities
or
agencies
to
process
applications
for
rental
assistance?
Is
that
within
the
30
day,
time
frame,
that's
in
the
bill.
J
We're
going
to
take
an
assist
bailey
bortlin,
representing
the
nevada
coalition
of
legal
service
providers.
I
am
going
to
pass
that
to
kevin
shiller,
but
I
want
to
say
part
of
what
we're
solving
here
is
the
variable
that
you
just
asked:
how
long
is
an
application
taking
and
so
there's
a
real
equity
piece
to
this,
that
this
bill
brings
us
where
right
now
and
clark
county
can
certainly
speak
to
this
we're
putting
out
fires
all
the
time.
J
Cases
that
has
set
off
the
fire
of
the
burning
house
that
we
need
to
put
out.
So,
by
putting
this
in
place,
we're
bringing
some
equity
to
that
timeline
so
that
somebody
who's
been
patiently
waiting
for
six
months
doesn't
keep
getting
bumped
to
the
landlord.
That's
trying
to
effectuate
a
lockout
today.
S
All
right,
I
appreciate
that
so
maybe
I'm
miss
reading
something
in
section
two,
if
there's
an
application
for
rental
assistance,
the
that
the
eviction
process
will
be
stayed
indefinitely
until
that
there's
a
resolution
to
that
right-
and
maybe
these
are
different
timelines
or
different
processes,
but
in
section
four
it
indicates
that
evictions
must
be
stayed
not
more
than
30
days
to
facilitate
a
program
of
alternative
dispute
resolution.
So
maybe
I'm
just
misunderstanding
this,
since
it's
not
my
subject
matter,
expertise
which
one
is
it.
J
Bailey
borderlin
for
the
record,
so
we're
waiting
until
that
application
is
processed,
but
those
applications
are
going
to
be
processed
in
a
more
timely
fashion
because
we
won't
have
the
fires
of
the
evictions
occurring
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
So
the
mediation
will
occur
within
30
days
and
that
mediation
process
should
be
able
to
connect
that
case
with
rental
assistance.
But
not
every
case
is
going
to
mediation.
J
T
Good
morning
for
the
record
kevin
schiller
assistant,
county
manager
with
clark
county
through
umadam,
chair
to
senator's
question,
I
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
pieces,
as
we
discussed
the
eviction
prioritization
and
that
process,
so
really
the
intent
of
that.
You
asked
about
the
capacity
issue.
I
think
the
intent
is
really
to
prioritize
those
in
the
social
service
realm.
T
We
really
don't
know
the
volume
has
been
stated
multiple
times,
but
what
I
will
tell
you
is
with
the
second
round
of
rental
assistance
funds.
The
treasury
guidance
that
was
provided
and
required
requires
fairly
extensive
documentation,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
it's
hard
to
answer
the
question
in
terms
of
capacities
and
time
frames.
In
some
instances
an
application
may
come
to
the
top
of
the
line
after
sitting
there
for
four
weeks,
they're
complete
and
it
goes
out
the
door
quickly
in
others
we're
chasing
documentation.
T
We
are
doing
timelines
tied
to
requirements
for
that
documentation,
so
if
that
doesn't
get
received
within
about
a
10-day
time
frame
and
they're
sitting
in
the
queue
we
move
to
the
next
applicant.
But
there
are
really
two
freeways
happening.
There's
one
happening
on
one
side
which
is
tied
specifically
to
processing
under
the
traditional
chap
and
application
process,
and
then
the
second
three
way
is
more.
T
What
we're
speaking
here
today
in
terms
of
the
eviction
process
prioritizing
those
evictions
through
a
connection
and
the
piece
that
hasn't
been
spoken
to,
which
I
think
is
critical,
is
let's
just
assume
that
that
is
prioritized
and
they're
ineligible,
there's,
obviously
dollars
being
set
aside
and
proposed
in
this
bill
to
support
that
process.
S
Thank
you,
mr
schiller.
I
think
final
question,
madam
chair:
does
everyone
have
the
resources
that
are
necessary
to
get
this
done?
I
mean
I
worry
about
the
flood
that
that
may
come
in
and
whether
there's
you
know
adequate
funding
for
for
the
social
services
agencies,
for
the
housing
authorities,
for
the
for
the
courts
and
maybe
there's
administrative
expenses
that
can
be
taken
off
the
top.
S
I'm
not
aware
of
that
and
then
also
specifically
to
homings
nevada,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
actively
going
to
be
engaged
in
the
in
the
homeowner
assistance
program.
That's
a
part
of
the
arp
as
well,
but
you
know
I'm
just
worried
about
agency
and
and
and
homie's
nevada
capacity
to
get
the
job
done,
that
we're
asking
them
to
do.
T
For
the
record
kevin
schuller
assistant,
county
manager
of
our
county
through
madam
chair
to
you
senator
keith
kepper,
I
would
your
question's
a
right
on
question
in
terms
of
the
capacity
issue,
so
to
give
some
sense
of
context.
We
have
added
so
in
our
social
service
department.
We
have
about
125
to
130
staff
in
the
second
round
of
era,
using
all
the
administrative
funds
to
update
the
it
and
processes
we
have
updated
to
300
temporary
staff
that
provide
processing
for
this.
T
T
This
eviction
court
process
was
actually
we
started
working
on
this
actually
almost
12
weeks
ago,
specific
to
how
we
can
integrate
and
use
our
internal
staff
so
that
we
can
maximize
that
capacity.
But
to
answer
your
question
directly,
we'll
have
about
300
total
staff
that
will
be
processing
and
anywhere
we
get
additional
admin
dollars.
We
will
apply
that
to
increase
that
to
keep
managing
the
capacity
based
on
what
we
see.
A
Thank
you,
mr
schiller.
I
have
a
question
for
you
from
assemblywoman
vanitas
thompson
and
then
I'll
go
back
to
the
queue
of
questions
of
folks
that
have
other
questions.
R
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that.
It's
a
really
simple
question
and
it's
a
process
question.
I
apologize
that
I
have
to
ask
it
on
the
record.
I
most
of
the
processes
when
they
were
first
set
up
in
the
first
round
of
the
programs.
R
Were
applications
were
all
on
line
and
that
process
was
done
online
just
by
the
tenant,
and
I
didn't
know
in
the
new
federal
guidelines
if
they
were
pers
that
prescriptive
as
to
how
a
purse
the
mechanism
by
how
a
person
can
apply
the
the
one
thing
I
did
experience
and
the
one
thing
that
I
would
hope
that
we
have
the
ability
with
our
with
this.
This
chunk
of
money
of
this
5
million
and
with
home
means
nevada.
R
Is
that
there's
the
option
there
for
a
paper
application
process,
because,
if
you're
going
to
have
helpers
helping
people,
especially
on
this
documentation
process,
I
think
that's
important,
because
otherwise
my
experience
has
been
most
tenants
are
applying
for
this
with
the
lower
m
ami
are
literally
taking
pictures
front
and
back
of
their
financial
statements
on
their
phone,
so
uploading.
All
of
that
via
little.
R
A
mobile
phone
on
the
electronic
process
can
be
hard
and
can
be
daunting,
and
you
end
up
with
like
98
pages
uploaded,
because
you've
got
to
do
a
front
and
back
whereas
something
that's
been.
You
know
easier
that
we've
learned
like
by
still
having
medicaid
applications
around
what
the
paper
application
is.
R
When
you
have
helpers
students
and
and
all
the
good
people
who
are
going
to
go
out
there
and
help
do
it,
is
you
can
kind
of
scoop
all
of
those
up
find
a
more
effective
way
just
to
get
them
scanned
and
uploaded
and
then
get
a
paper
paper
documentations
in
faster?
So
I
just
I
just
didn't
know
if
it
was
the
feds
being
that
prescriptive
or
if
we
would
indeed
have
the
flexibility
to
say,
we've
got
two
modes
to
get.
This
process
started.
T
For
the
record
kevin
schiller
assistant,
county
manager,
clark
county
through
the
chair
to
you
assembly,
I
would
answer
that
directly.
The
intent
of
the
collaboration
on
the
nonprofits
for
support
is
to
address
that
specific
issue,
obviously,
and
I'll
just
take
it
at
twofold.
One,
the
documentation
requirement
and
the
uploading
of
those
documents
is
probably
the
most
significant
primary
barrier.
We
see
to
applicants
being
denied
and
or
dropping
out
of
the
system
for
those
that
are
most
in
need
that
lack
that
I.t
capability.
T
That's
what
the
intent
of
this
non-profit
site
is
so
that
we
can
actually
assign
out
through
our
pop-ups
and
assist
people
directly
where
they
can't
download
that
information
or
do
not
have
the
I.t
access.
So
we're
really
trying
to
eliminate
that
barrier
across
the
whole
spectrum.
There
was
not
a
federal
requirement
tied
to
the
paper
or
the
I.t
side.
J
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks
for
bringing
this
legislation
forward
and
all
the
all
the
pieces
and
parts
that
go
together,
I'm
trying
to.
I
appreciate
the
5
million,
particularly
recognizing
that
there
are
some
smaller
landlords
that
might
fall
through
the
cracks,
and
I
know
we've
had
a
lot
of
questions
already
about
what
happens
if
that
runs
out,
or
you
know
that
that's
a
base
point
and
so
forth,
but
I'm
curious
how
that
interacts
with
sections
one
through
six.
J
What
happens
if
that
does
run
out
am
am
I,
as
that
small
landlord
still
tied
to
the
restrictions
in
section
one
through
six,
because
it's
based
on
assumptions,
there's
funding
and
then,
if
there's,
not
funding,
I'm
still
then
tied
to
those.
You
know
those
presumptions
of
an
affirmative
defense,
correct.
Q
So
so
I
think
the
way
it
would
work
is
the
landlord.
Q
So
in
short,
yes,
that's
right.
The
idea
is
to
steer
as
many
people
as
possible
to
that
to
the
american
rescue
act.
Money
right,
so
hopefully
the
five
million
dollars
will
not
be
utilized
in
most
situations,
you'll
see
in
the
bill
that
there
is
a
non-profit
element
where
somebody
reaches
out
to
the
tenant
contacts
the
tenant
and
tries
to
get
the
tenant
to
apply
for
the
rental
assistance
to
assist
them
to
apply
for
the
rental
assistance,
to
steer
them
into
that
other
pot
of
money.
Q
The
big
pot
of
money-
so
hopefully
most
of
those
will
go
over
there
now.
If,
if
for
some
reason,
let's
say
that
the
tenant
has
been
totally
uncooperative
has
not
has
not
responded
to
the
landlord's
request,
so
the
landlord
has
been
forced
to
access
this
pot
of
money,
whether
or
not
they'll
go
through.
Those
other
chains
in
the
eviction
process
is
somewhat
questionable,
because
if
the
tenant
has
been
that
inactive,
it's
likely
that
they
won't
respond
to
the
summary
eviction
case
and
the
summary
eviction
will
be
granted
by
default.
J
Okay,
I
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
you
you
hear
my
concern,
though,
that
we'll
end
up
with
you
know,
especially
when
I
hear
our
chair
talk
about
how
quickly
one
non-profit
ran
through
two
million
dollars.
J
There's
there's
a
concern
there
that
we
we've
put
protections
in
place
for
that
that
tenant
and
and
even
penalties,
but
the
the
flip
side
of
that
is
for
that
landlord
in
that
pocket
that
very
small
landlord
that
the
money's
not
available
then
they're
left
just
holding
that
and-
and
so
my
concern
is
what
protection
is
there
on
the
flip
side
of
that.
Q
Well,
jim
jim
burch
told
for
the
record,
so
so
let
me,
let's
think
of
it
this
way,
so
the
tenant's
been
uncooperative
has
not
responded.
Landlord
has
tried
to
to
dial
into
that
five
million
dollar
pot
has
been
unsuccessful,
for
whatever
reason,
maybe
the
money's
gone.
So
the
landlord
applies
for
the
regular
eviction
process.
A
O
Thank
you
matt
fair,
so
the
question
I
have
is
I:
I've
got
an
email,
several
that's
got
lots
of
emails
and
this
particular
one
struck
me
because
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
hole
right.
Sometimes,
when
you
create
programs
and
you
create
solutions
to
them,
sometimes
they
you
want
them
to
be
rock
solid.
You
want
to
make
sure
nothing
is
out
of
the
ordinary,
but
sometimes
there
are
cracks,
I
guess
sometimes
in
the
cracks.
That's
where
we
see
the
light.
O
In
this
case
you
have
a
a
woman
who
had
a
home
in
southern
nevada.
She
found
out
she
had
stage.
Three
cancer
decided
that
she
needed
to
move
in
with
her
daughter
who
lives
in
california
to
receive
treatment
there
in
california,
so
she's
renting
out
her
home.
She
did
hire
somebody
a
rental
agent
who
then
rented
it
out
to
a
man,
a
single
man
who
makes
80
000
a
year.
O
O
She'd
have
to
wait
until
june
1st
and
at
june
1st.
She
could
then,
because,
right
now
she
can't
evict
because
he
makes
less
than
the
99
000
required
for
that.
So
she
should
have
to
wait
till
june
1st
and
then
after
june,
1st
she'd
still
have
to
wait
that
night.
She
could
wait
up
to
90
days
in
order
to
evict,
which
means
we're
talking
almost
a
year
we're
almost
a
year.
She
hasn't
received
a
payment
for
the
one
home
that
she
owns.
O
M
Treasure
conan
for
the
record.
I
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
think
you
highlight
one
of
the
one
of
the
overarching
challenges
and
opportunities
throughout
this
entire
process,
which
is
we're
dealing
with
something
that
is
unprecedented
with
an
unprecedented
response,
and
sometimes
there
are
individuals
who
are
more
or
less
impacted
by
that
response.
M
M
Let
us
make
decisions
and
let
us
allocate
funds
using
every
nevadan
recovery
framework,
the
commitment
that
the
governor
and
myself
and
legislative
leadership
and
everyone
else
has
to
making
sure
that
we
spend
these
federal
dollars
as
effectively
as
possible.
This
gives
us
the
data
to
do
that.
It
gives
us
the
data
to
lobby
the
white
house,
the
treasury
and
our
federal
delegation
to
change
the
rules
to
make
sure
that
the
woman
in
your
anecdote
and
other
people
who
are
harmed
by
this,
who
have
fallen
through
the
cracks,
can
get
helped.
O
Okay,
so
I
understand
so
in.
O
Yes,
follow-up
in
this
anecdote
where
you
passed
this
bill
or
we
passed
this
bill
again
when
in
the
timeline
I'm
looking
more
at
the
timeline
when
in
this
timeline,
would
she
then
be
able
to
start
to
fill
the
you
know
be
able
to
fill
this
donut
hole
that
is
being
created
for
the
you
know
since
november?
O
M
Treasurer
conan
for
the
record
I'll
turn
it
over
to
jim
from
a
timeline
perspective,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
in
all
of
these
programs,
aid
can
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
So
if
to
march
right.
So
if
she
has
had
that
situation
since
march,
she
would
be
able
to
then
go
back
and
apply
under
the
rules
and
restrictions
of
the
program
since
the
beginning
of
that
time
frame.
But
jim
can
probably.
M
Yes,
sir,
and
I
think
in
treasure,
conan
for
the
record,
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
this
is
not
a
perfect
solution.
There
is
no
perfect
solution
to
an
unprecedented
problem.
What
this
solution
does
is
it
allows
us
to
help
as
many
landlords
as
possible,
remembering
of
course,
that
landlords
in
this
case
could
have
also
applied
for
pets.
M
In
most
cases
when
someone
is
sued
for
back,
rent
right,
which
is
an
expensive
process,
wouldn't
be
in
small
claims
court
in
your
example,
probably
maybe
right
on
the
line,
but
either
way
it's
an
expensive
process
and
the
chance
of
recovery
isn't
great
right,
and
so
we
think
that
75
is
better
than
zero
percent.
But
again
you
know
a
discussion
for
the
legislature,
and
I
think
chairman
yeager
already
expressed
an
interest
in
having
a
conversation
about
that
number.
If
you
like
to.
Q
Jim
birch
told
for
the
record.
Actually
I
don't
really
have
anything
to
add
to
that
on
the
60
to
90
day
period
as
chair
yeager
said
there,
there
there's
no
real
rationale
for
that,
so
maybe
there's
some
room
to
to
talk,
but.
Q
But
the
goal
is
to
have
pots
for
everybody
and
the
fact
that
she
is
able
to
access
that
pot
at
all
is
a
huge
advantage,
because
otherwise,
her
her
option
is
to
sue
that
tenant
and
try
to
recover
that
money
and
that's
always
a
difficult
option.
O
K
You
just
to
follow
on
that
example.
I
just
sorry
treasure
just
just.
N
K
Clarifying
points,
so
I
think
the
reason
I
think
the
reason
the
75
is
important
is
that
that
particular
example
and
everything
that
she's
facing
she's,
probably
not
going
to
be
the
first
one
in
line,
and
so
the
whole
point
of
that
75
is
to
stretch
the
resources
longer
and
my
concern
for
her
would
be
if
she's
not
the
first
one
to
apply
and
get
that
money
in
pretty
quick.
It's
gone
before
it
ever
gets
to
her
and
she
has
zero,
and
so
the
75
percent
is
for
her
and
everybody
else.
K
K
And
then
I
think
the
other
piece
that
I
would
like
clarification
on
is
if
this
bill
doesn't
pass,
then
what
she
is
facing
is
a
backlogged
eviction
system,
where,
even
if
she,
if
she
responds
and
that
and
her
tenant,
who
does
seem
to
be
one
of
the
more
sophisticated
players
challenges
because
he's
likely
to
then
she's
facing
an
unknown
period
of
time,
while
our
courts
make
their
way
through
perhaps
130
000
evictions,
and
that
could
be
much
longer
than
90
days.
Is
that
correct.
A
With
that
questions
are
over
with,
thank
you
very
much
treasurer.
Thank
you
spritchfield.
Thank
you
all
for
for
working
on
this
and
I
believe,
since
we
are
now
this
is
the
hearing
for
assembly
bill
486,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
first
support
opposition
and
neutral.
A
Please
keep
in
mind
that
we
are
up
against
the
clock
and
we
would
like
to
keep
each
comment
to
two
minutes:
we're
going
to
try
to
be
very
strict
with
that
at
this
time,
because
we
still
need
to
get
to
public
comment
before
we
recess
for
this
evening.
So
with
that
we'll
open
it
up
for
support
of
assembly
bill
486,
please
proceed.
Miss
magnus.
H
For
the
record,
my
name
is
annette
magnus
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
battleborn
progress.
We
are
in
strong
support
of
assembly
bill
486.
for
the
past
year.
Our
organization
has
many
have
had
many
of
our
own
members
who
have
suffered
from
economic
impacts
of
coba
19
and
were
threatened
with
eviction
for
their
inability
to
pay.
I
have
personally
stepped
in
on
numerous
occasions
to
try
to
assist
nevadans
in
need,
one
of
which
almost
committed
suicide,
because
of
this
nevada
is
once
again
facing
a
housing
and
eviction
crisis.
H
The
situation
is
dire
and
we
must
act
now.
Nevadans
are
counting
on
you
to
help
them
through
this
crisis.
All
of
all
of
the
things
you
have
worked
on
this
session
to
me,
coveted
relief,
is
the
number
one
issue
we
must
address.
This
funding
will
be
well
spent
and
nevadans
are
desperate
for
this
aid.
If
there
is
no
action,
we
will
see
this
crisis
grow
in
exponential
ways.
Please
support
for
ab486.
J
Next
person
please
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
christine
saunders
and
I'm
the
policy
director
with
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada.
Here
in
support
of
assembly
bill
46,
a
plan
we
focus
on
community,
organizing
and
policy
advocacy.
However,
during
the
pandemic,
we
often
did
direct
service
to
help
people
who
reached
out
about
the
eviction
moratorium
throughout
this
process.
J
We've
printed,
the
cdc
declaration
for
people
helped
file
answers
to
eviction,
notices,
helped
families
apply
for
rental
assistance,
connected
people
to
legal
resources
and
even
helped
some
people
move
and
while
many
landlords
have
been
helpful,
we've
also
heard
countless
stories
of
bad
actors
like
landlords,
refusing
to
complete
the
w-9
with
the
county
to
be
able
to
accept
rental
assistance.
Even
once
someone
has
been
approved
and
of
landlords
who
accepted
rental
assistance,
but
found
ways
to
evict
tenants.
Anyways
ab-486
will
ensure
that
families
are
given
due
process
through
eviction,
mediation
and
the
rental
assistance
program.
J
Evictions
and
economic
displacement
impact
us
all
by
putting
more
economic
burden
on
our
communities
through
increased
demands
on
social
services,
shelters
and
hospitals
by
families
who
become
homeless
and
other
costs
associated
with
the
disruption
caused
by
housing.
Instability
by
contrast,
stable
homes,
promote
educational
opportunity
for
children
and
economic
opportunity
for
families
allowing
nevadans
to
save
our
house,
pursue
new
employment
options
and
open
new
businesses.
J
R
Good
morning,
madam
chair,
my
name
is
holly
welborn
policy
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada,
testifying
in
support
of
ab486.
We
think
chair
yeager
for
his
wisdom
in
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
to
respond
to
the
impending
eviction.
Crisis.
Nevada
was
hit
particularly
hard
by
the
economic
devastation
of
the
kova
19
pandemic.
R
This
crisis
affects
all
nevadans,
but
the
history
of
toxic
and
discriminatory
housing
policies
and
the
persistent
exclusionary
practices
racially
exclusionary
practices
caused
this
crisis
to
disproportionately
impact
people
of
color.
Black
women
especially
face
housing
disparities
due
not
just
to
the
history
of
housing
and
equity,
but
also
due
to
the
enormous
wealth
gaps
that
exist.
R
G
Thank
you,
chair,
carlton,
chair
brooks
and
members
of
the
joint
committee.
My
name
is
benjamin
challener
policy
director
for
faith,
action,
nevada,
nonpartisan,
multi-faith
organization
that
organizes
and
advocates
for
social,
racial
and
economic
justice,
as
well
as
an
inclusive
democracy
in
both
southern
and
northern
nevada.
I'm
here
to
speak
in
strong
support
of
assembly
bill
486,
as
per
as
presented
by
the
pro
with
the
proposal
amendment
from
assembly
manager.
G
First,
we
would
like
to
extend
extreme
gratitude
to
governor
siselek,
speaker,
fryerson
and
majority
leader
kanazawa,
for
bringing
this
extremely
critical
bill
and
working
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
keep
nevada
from
facing
a
potential
eviction
crisis
as
part
of
the
nevada
housing
justice
alliance
facing
action
nevada,
along
with
our
coalition
partners,
stress
for
the
need
for
additional
protections
for
tenants
to
stave
off
the
potential
eviction.
Cliff
kovan
19
has
exacerbated
the
extreme
imbalance
of
power
between
landlords
and
tenants.
One
of
those
include
includes
the
expedited
timeline
of
our
eviction
process.
G
J
Good
morning
committee,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
chair
for
the
record.
My
name
is
tess
opferman
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
mata
women's
lobby,
stable
and
affordable
housing
are
a
top
priority
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby,
especially
after
the
last
year
where
women
and
people
of
color
disproportionately
face
job
loss
and
housing
insecurity.
J
This
bill
is
a
critical
measure
to
use
federal
funds
to
ensure
landlords
are
paid
and
tenants
can
continue
to
live
with
a
roof
over
their
heads,
as
we
finally
start
to
move
out
of
the
pandemic,
this
bill
will
keep
women
and
families
back
on
their
feet,
so
they
can
secure
a
stable
employment
and
income,
ultimately
keeping
their
housing
and
avoiding
an
eviction
on
their
credit
report.
We
are
in
strong
support
of
ab486
and
echo.
What
all
of
those
before
me
have
said.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
jacobs.
J
Good
morning,
chair
carlton,
chair,
brooks
members
of
the
committee
joanna
jacob
on
behalf
of
clark
county.
I
may
have
lost
assistant
county
manager,
kevin
schiller.
I
know
you've
heard
from
him,
but
I
wanted
to
register
clark,
county
support
for
ab46
and
the
important
goal
of
linking
tenants
and
landlords
as
quickly
as
possible
to
the
resources
that
we
have
to
prevent
evictions
before
they
happen.
J
We
heard
from
assistant
county
manager
schiller
that
we
have
put
the
framework
in
place
to
collaborate
with
the
state
with
the
courts
with
as
many
stakeholders
as
we
can
with
legal
aid,
an
important
critical
partner
to,
and
this
how
this
looks
is
that
we
talk
about
deploying
our
resources
to
support
the
people
who
are
in
evictions
and
getting
information
as
quickly
as
possible
to
them
about
our
rental
assistance
programs.
We've
tripled
our
team,
as
mr
schiller
mentioned,
and
adding
100
people
just
in
the
last
two
weeks.
J
We
also
have
supported
landlords
throughout
this
process,
wanted
to
put
on
the
record
that,
since
march
clark
county
has
deployed
about
130
million
as
of
last
week,
two
landlords,
but
they
are
important
piece
of
this
process
and
we
remain
committed
and
we
remain
committed
to
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
help
our
community
respond
to
this
crisis.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Chair
carlton,
thank
you.
C
Madam
chair
chris
daley,
testifying
in
support
of
ab486
today,
is
the
owner
of
a
rental
property
in
las
vegas
near
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
My
tenant
lost
his
job
in
construction
was
uncomfortable,
applying
for
unemployment
benefits.
He
worked
odd
jobs
over
this
past
year,
including
in
fast
food,
but
fell
further
and
further
behind
in
rent
each
month.
While
he
has
finally
been
hired
back
to
his
previous
job,
he
is
now
about
ten
thousand
dollars
behind
in
rent,
even
with
full-time
work.
C
He
really
has
no
way
to
make
up
that
amount
of
money.
Last
year
I
did
apply
for
landlord
assistance
through
the
chat
program.
Ultimately,
the
county
stopped
processing
the
application
due
to
cares
dollars
being
exhausted.
My
tenant
applied
for
rental
assistance
earlier
earlier
this
year,
but
his
application
has
been
pending
for
months.
I'm
hopeful
my
tenant
and
a
small
daughter
are
able
to
stay
in
their
home
due
to
the
circumstances.
I
am
not
interested
in
pursuing
legal
action
against
him
to
recover
back.
C
A
A
B
B
G
Good
morning,
my
name
is
emily
paulson
e-m-I-l-y
p-a-u-l-s-e-n,
and
I
served
as
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
homeless
alliance
and
the
chair
of
the
policy
council
on
homelessness.
We
urge
you
to
support
av486.
A
single
eviction
record
can
make
it
extremely
difficult
to
secure
new
housing
and
puts
households
at
risk
of
homelessness.
A
B
T
A
B
T
Good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name,
is
lalo
montoya
l-a-l-o
m-o-n-t-o-y-a,
and
I
serve
as
the
housing
justice
organizer
for
mecca
road
nevada,
and
we
are
also
a
part
of
the
nevada
housing
justice
alliance.
I'm
speaking
today
in
support
of
ab486
with
the
state
eviction
moratorium
with
the
state
eviction
moratorium
being
lifted
soon.
I
know
that
corporate
greed
will
stop
at
nothing
to
take
people's
homes
away.
The
passage
of
ab-486
is
critical
for
tenants
to
obtain
rental
assistance
and
avoid
becoming
houseless.
T
Despite
having
the
eviction
moratorium
in
place,
corporate
landlords
have
been
evicting
families.
We
do
our
best
to
assist
tenants
in
obtaining
rental
assistance.
However,
the
current
power
imbalance
between
tenants
and
landlords
in
many
instances
is
too
much
to
overcome
tenants
that
we
have
helped
apply
for
rental
assistance
here
in
clark
county.
T
T
B
B
B
L
L
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
state's
two
food
banks,
three
square
in
las
vegas
and
the
food
bank
of
northern
nevada
have
been
dealing
with
the
financial
crisis
of
the
affordable
housing
issue
in
nevada
for
a
long
time
and
the
the
sooner
that
we're
able
to
help
people
get
back
on
their
feet
financially
the
better
it's
going
to
be,
but
definitely
the
food
banks
have
been
impacted
by
this,
and
I
appreciate
assemblyman
yeager
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
Thank
you.
B
G
Good
morning
here,
woman,
carlton
and
chairman
brooks
this
is
dora
martinez.
I
represent
the
nevada
disability
production
coalition.
We
did
all
all
of
the
support
folks
that
had
spoken
before
me
and
now
I'm
going
to
go
get
a
donut,
because
I
cannot
keep
mentioning
donut
holes
have
a
good
one.
Thank
you.
B
G
Good
morning,
once
again,
community
members,
my
name,
is
marianito
orta,
that's
m
a
r,
I
a
last
name,
n-I-e-t-o-s-o-r-t-a
family
of
authors
in
full
support
of
ab486
latinos,
have
been
disproportionately
affected.
Health
and
economically
wise
by
the
unprecedented
covenant
pandemic.
Ab-486
is
needed
because
nevada
is
not
ready
to
face
mass
evictions.
This
bill
will
help
all
nevadans
in
their
keep
their
homes
and
ensure
rental
assistance
is
used
to
prevent
evictions
and
repay
landlords.
As
we
know,
these
evictions
are
going
to
affect
and
have
been
affecting
latinos
people's
color
and
immigrants.
G
The
most
many
nevadans
do
not
qualify
for
relief
and
we
ensure
we
are
protecting
them
during
the
pandemic,
some
landlords
still
evicted
tenants,
even
after
cashing
rental
assistance
funds
and
signing
a
contract
agreeing
not
to
evict
some
even
threatening
to
kill
isis
to
call
ice
on
their
undocumented
attendants.
Ab486
allows
the
tenants
to
file
a
wrongful
eviction
claim
against
a
landlord
who
evicts
them.
After
accepting
mental
assistance,
it
also
allows
the
court
to
penalize
the
landlord
who
is
wrong,
who
wrongfully
evicts
the
tenant.
We
please
urge
your
support
for
this
bill.
B
L
Good
morning
my
name
is
jim
from
s-u-l-l-I-v-a-n
and
I'm
representing
the
culinary
union.
The
cobin
19
pandemic
is
hit
culinary
union
members
and
their
families
incredibly
hard,
while
hospitality
workers
are
slowly
returning
to
work,
tens
of
thousands
of
workers
are
still
unemployed
and
struggling
with
housing
and
security.
L
Since
last
march,
the
culinary
working
colony
has
worked
with
our
housing
fund
and
other
organizations
to
keep
workers
in
their
home.
Unfortunately,
there
are
still
too
many
nevadans
that
have
lost
their
homes
during
this
pandemic,
ab486
will
help
keep
nevadans
in
their
home
and
endure
rental.
Assistance
is
utilized
to
prevent
evictions
and
repay
landlords.
L
In
the
middle
of
this
pandemic,
working
families
and
people
of
color
have
been
disproportionately
impacted
by
housing
and
security
and
ab486
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction
towards
rectifying
that.
The
culinary
union
believes
that
every
divide
deserves
to
be
treated
with
dignity
and
that
housing
is
a
human
right.
Nevadans
should
not
have
to
decide
between
having
food
on
the
table
or
a
roof
over
their
head.
The
culinary
enters
the
nevada
legislature
to
pass
and
support
ad486.
B
G
G
G
Despite
having
resident
services
coordinators
to
help
them
and
computer
labs
at
every
one
of
our
buildings,
challenges
still
exist,
ab486
marries
the
court
process
and
the
rental
assistance
process
and
provides
greater
flexibility
to
provide
more
direct
assistance
to
our
residents.
It'll
be
a
tremendous
benefit
to
our
residents
and
also
the
affordable
housing
community.
We
encourage
the
passage
of
ab486.
A
B
G
Hi
good
afternoon,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
erica
castro
e-r-I-k-a-c-a-s-t-r-o
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
immigrant
coalition.
I
just
want
to
echo
a
lot
of
the
sentiments
expressed
before
me
and
urge
you
to
support
this
bill.
Our
partners
across
the
state
have
been
working
tirelessly
to
help
nevadans
recover
from
this
unprecedented
health
and
economic
crisis.
A
b
486
would
help
us
avoid
a
disastrous
eviction
clip
and
provide
a
smoother
path
to
receive
rental
assistance.
Thank
you.
C
Chuck
carlton
members
of
the
committee
good
morning,
my
name's
rocky
finseth,
I'm
here
with
career
nevada
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
realtors
joining
me
on
zoom
is
miss
banks,
mr
spires,
and
miss
bala
and
miss
hambrick.
I
believe
we've
got
some
technical
issues
that
we'd
like
to
get
on
the
record
today.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
miss
banks.
A
Thank
you
very
much
so,
if
you'd
like
to
whoever
we'll
start
with
miss
banks,
if
you'd
like
to
point
out
your
issues
and
we'll
move
on
from
there.
H
Good
morning,
chair
brooks
chair,
carlton
and
members
of
senate
and
finance
and
assembly
ways
and
means
committee.
My
name
is
tiffany
banks
and
I'm
general
counsel
for
the
nevada
realtors.
Today,
I'm
testifying
today
in
opposition
of
ab486
as
drafted,
we
would
like
to
thank
assemblyman
yeager
for
continuing
to
work
with
us
on
this
bill
and
get
us
to
a
place
where
there
is
a
fair
and
balanced
approach
for
both
landlords
and
tenants
alike.
H
You
should
have
all
received
a
copy
of
our
full
comments,
submitted
jointly
with
the
nevada
state
apartment
association
that
have
been
uploaded
to
nellis.
The
first
section
is
section
two,
the
policy
issue
being
that,
as
drafted,
it
creates
an
affirmative
defense,
not
just
non-payment
of
rent
but
to
all
evictions
and
squatter
cases.
H
This
section
also
contradicts
current
judicial
procedure
in
that
at
the
eviction
hearing.
If
the
court
has
determined
that
a
legal
defense
has
been
raised,
then
they
take
no
action.
It
is
difficult
to
tell
from
this
language
when
the
affirmative
defense
would
be
raised
and
what
the
consequences
at
that
time
would
be
section
three,
while
nevada,
realtors
and
the
nevada
apartment
association
do
not
condone
fraudulent
action
by
any
party.
The
procedure
set
forth
in
this
section
is
duplicative
of,
and
in
and
or
in
conflict
with,
the
processes
already
afforded
by
the
justice
system.
H
There
are
also
many
technical
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed,
such
as
what
proceeds
to
evict
a
tenant
really
needs
landlords
and
property
managers
can
assume
many
things
section
4.
The
technical
issue
is
that
the
supreme
court
eviction
mediation
program
and
rules
currently
applies
to
summary
eviction.
Actions
for
non-payment
of
rent
under
40.253.
H
However,
this
bill
covers
many
other
types
of
evictions
included
in
215-425.
So
it's
not
clear
if
it
applies
to
commercial
premises,
nuisance
other
criminal
activity
and
formal
unlawful
detainer.
This
creates
conflict
and
confusion
for
courts,
landlords
and
tenants.
In
addition,
that
eviction
mediation
program
sets
forth
the
procedure
for
requesting
mediation.
H
The
language
in
this
bill
ignores
the
fact
that
the
alternative
dispute
resolution
process
it's
only
for
those
parties
who
request
it,
who
meet
certain
criteria
and
only
for
non-payment
of
rent
cases
that
those
rules
also
trigger
that
30
days
that
they
have
to
set
that
eviction
hearing.
We
can't
tell
from
this
if
this
is
an
additional
30
days.
H
Section
5
on
the
technical
issues
is
that
the
supreme
court
summary
eviction,
mediation
rules,
rule
4
already
cover
the
information
that
need
to
be
included
in
the
landlord
notice
and
only
requires
that
notice
is
served
in
that
same
40.253
non-payment
of
ranked
case
that
I've
talked
about
earlier.
So
our
issue
with
the
language
here
is:
there's
no
guidance
on
what
the
notice
should
specifically
say
as
contemplated
in
that
eviction.
Mediation
program
that
rule
sets
forth
specific
language
to
be
included,
so
the
landlord
isn't
crossing
the
line
of
giving
legal
advice.
H
Additionally,
this
should
again
apply
to
non-payment
evictions
only
section
six,
our
technical
issue
is
there
may
be
fiscal
restraints
on
how
those
federal
rental
assistance
dollars
may
be
allocated
into
who-
and
I
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
that
conversation
today,
but
we
want
to
be
sure
that
if
the
bulk
of
the
rental
assistance
dollars
contemplated
here
have
to
be
tenant
initiated,
then
this
entire
process
wouldn't
work.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
is
not
the
case
again.
If
the
process
can
work
like
discussed
today,
there
must
be
an
expedited
process
for
the
landlord.
H
H
Finally,
down
to
the
end
section,
seven,
the
five
million
dollars
isn't
likely
to
last
long.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
those
dollars
are
going
directly
to
provide
landlord
relief
and
not
specifically
to
re-house
tenants.
We
want
that.
We
want
to
know
that
that's
earmarked
and
also
know
that
the
straight
treasurer
may
replenish
the
funds
for
this
program.
We
would
like
to
propose
a
sunset
of
january,
1st
of
2022
and
finally,
an
additional
section
that
says
that
tenant
fraud
should
not
create
liability
to
a
landlord.
H
H
As
you
can
see,
there
are
many
difficult
issues
that
need
to
be
worked
out
both
from
the
legal
and
technical
perspective,
a
bill
and
a
bill
initially
intended
to
address
financial
assistance
to
landlords
has
turned
into
a
confusing
bill
filled
with
problems.
This
type
of
legislation
will
not
keep
tenants
in
their
homes,
rather
encourage
mom
and
pop
landlords
to
sell
frustrated
and
exhausted,
leaving
tenants
with
less
and
less
housing
options.
Please
consider
the
consequences
of
this
bill,
as
drafted
I'll,
not
now
pass
the
time
over
to
brad
spires.
A
Thank
you
for
putting
your
concerns
on
the
record,
but
I
do
believe
some
of
them
are
addressed
and,
as
you
move
forward
working
with
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
and
with
the
state
treasurer
and
those
parties
that
are
working
on
it,
if
you
would
incorporate
the
amendment
into
the
bill
so
that
you
have
a
full
picture
and
we
can
move
forward
from
there.
So
thank
you.
H
A
And
what
we
would
like
you
to
do
is
take
a
look
at
the
amendment
and
come
back
with
any
other,
come
back
with
a
clean
list
of
concerns
so
that
we
don't
have
to
fit
the
pieces
together.
A
L
Sir
carlton
and
chairman
brooks
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
brad
spiers
the
president
of
nevada,
realtors
and
chair
carlton.
I
think
the
last
time
that
I
paired
with
you
something
that
was
this
complex
was
on
energy
audits
when
we
were
talking
about
houses
a
through
f,
a
lot
of
similarities
here
with
that
in
that
the
20
000
members
of
our
realtor
association
represent
both
tenants
and
landlords,
and
it's
been
very,
very
difficult
for
all.
L
The
mom
and
pop
landlords
have
most
of
the
rentals
in
our
state,
and
they
have
struggled
and
there'll,
be
more
discussions
about
that
struggling,
and
we
could
bring
up
more
folks
to
talk
about
bad
actors
as
tenants
as
there
have
been
discussions
about
bad
actors
as
landlords,
I
don't
think
that's
really
germaine.
I
think
the
majority
of
folks
in
this
state
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
So
you've
heard
the
technical
things
that
miss
banks
has
identified.
L
I
want
to
talk
just
specifically
on
a
couple
things
that
the
5
million
dollars
sounds
like
a
good
number
until
you
apply
it
in
reality,
as
so
as
one
of
the
folks
who
talked
about
earlier
in
testimony,
they
were
ten
thousand
dollars
in
arrears
and
that
number
will
get
larger.
So,
let's
just
say
that
a
base
number
that
may
be
looked
at
under
this
program
would
be
ten
thousand
dollars
what
that
amounts
to
out
of
five
million.
That
would
be
relief
for
500
landlords
and
tenants,
not
a
lot.
L
I
appreciate
the
idea
and
like
having
the
dollars
that
are
being
discussed,
however,
not
sure
that
that
amount
of
dollars
is
going
to
be
impactful
on
reaching
the
outcomes
that
we
need
to
arrive
at
so
we've
supported
during
session
and
senator
fryerson's
bill
308
and
senator
watson
141,
and
with
this
one
coming
on
here
at
the
last
minute,
there's
just
several
things
that
we
want
to
look
at
to
ensure
that
it's
fair
for
both
the
landlords
and
for
the
tenants
and
we're
here
to
support
that,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
time
now.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
think
you
and
I
are
prep,
and
most
people
are
in
agreement
that
there's
some
landlords
out
there
that
need
assistance
and
we're
just
trying
to
find
the
most
effective
way
to
be
able
to
help
them.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
this
morning.
The
next
person
in
opposition.
R
Please
good
morning,
chair
brooks
chair,
carlton
and
members
of
the
senate
finance
assembly,
ways
and
means
committee.
My
name
is
vamana
bala
and
I
have
been
a
realtor
and
property
manager
in
nevada
for
almost
20
years.
I'm
testifying
today
in
opposition
of
ab486,
while
we
support
a
program
designed
to
assist
landlords
who
need
financial
assistance
and
are
intent
on
keeping
their
tenants.
R
This
bill
is
drafted
goes
far
far
beyond
those
goals,
while
proponents
may
frame
this
as
a
glide
path
for
recovery,
it
is
nothing
more
than
a
continuation
of
the
moratorium
for
the
remainder
of
2021
and
bogged
down
in
governmental
bureaucracy.
Let
me
give
you
a
taste
of
my
experience
as
a
property
manager
for
many
small
mom-and-pop
landlords.
During
this
pandemic,
I
recently
had
a
tenant
that
didn't
pay
a
single
dime
for
months.
Twenty
thousand
dollars
later
that
tenant
appeared
in
court
and
stated
he
couldn't
pay
rent,
nor
did
he
qualify
for
rental
assistance.
R
To
date,
this
tenant
hasn't
paid
the
landlords
a
dime
since
august
2020.
This
is
a
tenant
that
has
two
children
in
a
prestigious
private
school
personal
golf
carts,
mercedes
membership,
redrock
country
club,
all
procured.
In
the
last
nine
months
yet
says
he
can't
pay
his
rent
and
the
landlords
continue
to
to
bear
the
cost
of
his
delinquency.
R
Many
tenants
are
being
non-responsive
efforts
to
access.
The
federal
cares
dollars
through
various
government
entities
has
been
long
and
drawn
out,
and
that
assumes
that
your
tenant
is
cooperative
in
making
the
necessary
reach
out
to
apply
for
these
funds.
There
are
countless
more
tenants
who
view
that
the
state
of
nevada
and
the
federal
government
have
given
them
a
free
pass
to
not
be
responsible,
responsive
to
me,
or
the
owners
that
I
represent.
R
Passage
of
av-486
is
drafted,
will
only
further
create
more
confusion
in
the
marketplace
and
create
more
longer-term
harm
for
tenants
and
landlords
alike.
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
policy
changes
and
technical
changes
outlined
by
miss
banks
or
not
move
this
bill
at
all.
All-
and
I
mean
all
of
the
burden
to
date,
has
been
placed
on
the
landlord,
with
no
assistance
from
the
federal
or
state
governments.
Everything
has
been
focused
on
the
tenant,
including
any
financial
assistance
directed
to
landlords.
While
a
handful
have
been
responsive,
the
vast
majority
are
choosing
to
not
engage.
R
A
G
Proceed
sorry,
I
needed
to
unmute
myself
it's
the
phrase
of
the
day.
Still
thank
you,
bono
for
that
that
quick
introductions
and
good
morning
chair
brooks
chair
cults
and
the
members
of
the
senate,
finance
and
assembly
ways
and
means
committee.
As
long
as
I
said,
my
name
is
molly
hamrick
and
I'm
a
property
manager
in
southern
nevada.
We
manage
about
425
properties
and
I'm
testifying
today
in
opposition
of
ab46.
G
It
has
been
a
struggle
to
get
many
of
our
tenants
to
apply
for
rental
assistance.
Much
less
respond
to
us.
We
know
that
both
landlords
and
tenants
alike
have
found
it
very
difficult
to
navigate
the
governor's
directives,
the
federal
state
eviction,
moratoriums
and
local
ordinances
to
determine
what
applies
to
them
and
when
it
applies
the
legislative
changes.
This
session
will
only
confuse
the
matters
worst
this
bill
and
others
like
it
are
going
to
keep
landlords
from
providing
a
product
in
the
marketplace
that
tenants
desperately
need
in
my
30-plus
years
experiencing
working
with
tenants.
G
Many
truly
cannot
afford
to
buy
a
home.
So
renting
is
their
only
option.
This
legislation
is
going
to
make
it
harder
and
harder
for
us
to
provide
our
market
with
rental
properties,
which
are
essential
to
our
thousands
and
thousands
of
tenants.
Several
of
our
landlords
have
to
take
their
retirement
or
savings
to
cover
the
cost
associated
with
keeping
their
rental
properties
inhabitable
and
keep
them
current
on
their
taxes
and
insurance,
while
other
landlords
simply
do
not
have
the
means
they're
being
forced
to
sell
rentals,
reducing
the
overall
supply
of
rental
properties
in
our
marketplace.
G
As
drafted,
imagine
the
shortage
in
rental
units
which
will
drive
the
rental
prices
to
increase
at
even
faster
rates,
think
about
the
impacts
and
how
the
families
will
face.
If
there
are
even
less
rentals
in
the
marketplace
than
there
are
right
now
or
the
prices
continue
to
go
up
and
up
and
up,
we
are
seeing
landlords
offer
rentals
for
highest
and
best.
We
saw
that
in
housing,
but
now
we're
also
seeing
it
in
rentals,
and
this
is
forcing
many
many
families
not
to
build
a
rent
property.
G
R
Thank
you
molly
chairs
and
members.
My
name
is
susie
vasquez
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
apartment
association,
the
apartment
association,
represents
67
of
multi-family
landlords
in
nevada
that
consists
of
nearly
162
thousand
units
and
growing.
While
we
appreciate
assembly
bill,
486's
intent
to
help
tenants
and
to
make
landlords
full,
we
oppose
baby
486
as
drafted
for
several
reasons.
This
legislation
contains
many
technical
errors.
It
stands
to
harm
both
landlords
and
tenants.
R
And
while
we
oppose
the
bill,
because
we
do
not
believe
it
will
accomplish
the
goal
of
halting
evictions
without
violating
our
rights,
the
five
million
dollars
dedicated
to
fund
this
bill
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
The
apartment
association
is
bleeding
over
17
million
dollars
a
month
in
rental
arrears.
R
R
An
expedited
process
must
be
a
priority.
Otherwise
all
this
bill
has
accomplished
is
a
headline,
and
the
struggling,
nevada's,
tenants
and
landlords
alike
are
not
better
off
or
more
whole.
Please
oppose
ab46.
This
legislation
is
too
little
too
late
and
riddled
with
procedural
and
mechanical
issues
that
will
keep
this
body
from
reaching
its
goal.
Thank
you.
C
Madam
chair
rocky
finseth,
with
career
nevada
for
the
record,
so
we
worked
with
chairman
jaeger
over
the
weekend.
We
will
continue
to
stay
at
the
table.
Working
with
him.
We
received
the
technical,
or
we
received
the
conceptual
amendment
at
about
11
30
last
night
we
were
not
able
to
move
it
over
to
the
clients
till
early
this
morning.
So
as
soon
as
this
hearing
is
over,
we'll
have
a
conference
call
and
get
back
to
you.
A
A
B
B
G
Good
morning,
this
is
attorney
roberto,
olinger
johnson.
I
am
the
legislative
chair
of
the
creditor
rights
attorney
association
of
nevada,
kran
kran
represents
creditors
from
main
street
to
wall
street
in
all
courts
in
the
state
of
nevada
to
the
9th
circuit
and
beyond.
We
appreciate
the
conceptual
amendment
which
has
resolved
most
of
our
concerns
with
this
bill.
G
However,
we
remain
in
limited
opposition
to
ab-486
the
nevada
constitution
states
at
section
8
3,
that
private
property
shall
not
be
taken
for
public
use
without
just
compensation
having
been
first
made
or
secured
accepting
cases
of
war
riot
fire
or
great
public
peril,
in
which
case
compensation
shall
be
afterward
made.
The
state
has
exercised
its
emergency
powers
of
emergency
of
eminent
domain
during
the
pandemic
and
without
doubt,
covet
19
has
been
a
time
of
great
public
peril,
but
the
bill
is
coming
due.
G
This
runs
contrary
to
the
law
of
eminent
domain,
which
specifies
full
payment
under
settled
nevada
law.
They
are
entitled
to
the
contract
rate
and
no
less
consider
that,
for
the
small
landlord,
this
rental
assistance
which
it
is
intending
to
assist,
75
percent
can
be
far
less
than
their
break-even
point
when
taking
into
account
mortgage
insurance
taxes
and
their
duties
of
habitability,
which
have
been
enforced
against
them.
G
This
settlement
can
force
landlords
to
sell
or
abandon
rental
properties
which
they
cannot
afford
to
maintain
for
the
benefit
of
the
state.
In
other
words,
this
may
be
too
little
too
late.
Again,
we
support
the
overarching
purpose
of
ab486
and
we
appreciate
the
craftsmanship
of
this
bill
and
how
quickly
it
has
been
amended,
and
we
are.
G
B
L
Good
morning
my
name
is
joshua
campa,
I'm
a
local
property
manager
here
in
southern
nevada,
and
I'm
also
the
president
of
the
southern
nevada
chapter
of
narpum.
I
have
firsthand
witnessed
the
effects
of
the
national
pandemic
on
our
landlords
here,
in
southern
nevada
being
unable
to
take
possession
of
their
homes.
L
Our
landlords
have
been
plagued
with
an
avalanche
of
property
expenses,
including
insurance
property
taxes,
utility
payments,
hoa
dues,
mortgage
payments
and
maintenance
costs.
Among
many
many
others,
my
landlords,
like
most
napa
members,
landlords,
are
mom
and
pop
landlords
that
depend
on
their
rental
income.
John
wicklund
is
87
years
old
and
retired.
He
depends
on
his
rental
income
for
retirement
and
has
been
faced
with
no
retirement
income
for
the
last
several
months.
Vince
pellis
moved
from
his
property
because
he
couldn't
afford
the
property
during
the
last
recession
and
wanted
to
do
the
right
thing.
L
Instead
of
foreclosing
on
the
property,
he
rented
it
out
to
somebody
who
could
afford
it
that
tenant
has
stopped
paying.
Jasmie
catharia
opened
a
small
business
investment
portfolio
of
five
properties
in
nevada
ten
years
ago,
as
his
main
source
of
income,
his
tenants
have
defaulted
and
trashed
his
homes
during
the
pandemic.
He
has
been
faced
with
thousands
of
dollars
in
repairs
and
cannot
sell
his
homes
as
his
renters
continue
to
occupy
them
and
will
not
pay
their
rent.
L
He
has
been
left
with
little
to
no
income
during
this
dire
time,
and
second
is
67
years
old,
she's
rented
out
her
home
in
las
vegas
to
be
with
her
daughter,
struggling
with
cancer
in
south
carolina
she's
dependent
on
this
property
for
her
main
source
of
income.
She
has
been
faced
with
tenants
who
have
circumvented
our
system
by
fraudulently,
taking
advantage
of
the
avenues
the
government
has
made
available
to
the
consumer
to
stop
the
eviction
process.
L
These
stories
are
not
simply
anecdotal,
they
are
real
life,
they
are
nevada
and
they
cannot
be
continued
to
be
overlooked.
They
cannot
continue
to
shoulder
the
burden
of
this
housing
crisis
alone
story
after
story.
I
can
continue
to
exemplify
how
the
pandemic
has
affected
landlords.
Implementing
ambiguous
legislation
that
is
susceptible
to
fraud
offers
no
future
rental
assistance
and
is
dependent
on
a
rental
assistance
program
that
has
been
plagued
with
endless
delays.
Nearly
no
communication
to
homeowners,
no
communication
at
all
to
property
managers
is
a
mistake.
L
A
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
guess
this
isn't
a
neutral
kind
of
bill.
So
with
that
we
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
recess.
We
do
need
to
get
to
the
floor.
We
have
a
special
occasion
on
the
floor
tonight.
We
are
going
to
recess
until
approximately
6
p.m.
This
evening
or
call
of
the
chair
and
to
address
the
k-12
funding
bill
that
will
be
presented
to
us
this
evening.
So
the
committee
is
in
recess.