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A
A
Here
and
please
mark
the
other
members
present
as
they
arrive.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
think
everyone
knows
the
housekeeping
rules
by
now
check
the
phones
make
sure
nothing's
going
to
go.
Bling,
bloom
or
anything
else
cry
hella,
mama,
daddy
whatever,
so
we
don't
disturb
the
folks
who
are
testifying
and
for
those
who
are
waiting
on
the
phone.
Please
make
sure
that
you
pay
attention
to
which
side
we're
on
whether
it's
support
or
whether
we're
talking
about
opposition
or
neutral
and
your
telephone
number.
A
You
will
be
called
by
the
last
three
digits
of
your
telephone
number,
so
I
think
we
are
ready
to
rock
and
roll.
I
see
assemblywoman
peter's
here
we're
going
to
look
at
assembly
bill
280
this
morning,
welcome
to
the
dice
and
welcome
to
this
side
of
the
legislative
process
relating
to
public
restrooms
and
requires
places
of
public
accommodation
in
buildings
released
on
behalf
of
a
single
stall
restroom
to
the
public,
to
make
the
single
stall
restroom
as
inclusive
as
accessible
as
possible.
Thank
you
ma'am.
You
may
begin.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
on
a
saturday
to
hear
this
bill.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
this
to
you.
I
have
extended
remarks
for
today,
but
I'm
going
to
cut
it
down
and
simply
say
the
this
bill
assembly
bill.
280
just
requires
that
in
the
state
of
nevada,
if
we
have
a
single
stall
bathroom
that
is
open
to
the
public
that
it
be
non-gendered
or
non-gender
specific.
C
However,
there
are
situations
like
in
my
case,
I
have
a
son
when
I
go
to
pull
him
into
the
women's
restroom.
Sometimes
he
goes
no
mom.
C
I
don't
want
to
go
in
the
women's
restroom,
and
so
this
bill
is
really
about
dignity
and
the
ability
for
people
to
just
go
to
the
restroom
without
concern
of
what
it
looks
like
to
be
using
that
restroom,
we
did
in
our
in
the
assembly,
add
a
couple
of
things
to
the
first
draft
of
this
bill,
including
a
grace
period,
so
folks
have
an
opportunity
to
get
these
stalls
and
sign
stall.
C
C
Yes,
so
they're
in
the
second
reprint
and
those
are
in
section
15.2,
that's
the
appropriation
and
section
15.5
is
the
grace
section.
Subsection
3
is
the
grace
period.
C
I'm
sorry
that
would
be
page
12.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
was
just
curious
that
there
was
some
discussion
from
other
people,
probably
previous
rendition
or
beliefs
of
the
bill,
but
this
does
not
require
the
purchasing
or
building
of
any
additional
bathrooms.
Just
this
is
just
indicating
that
if
you
have
a
single
stall
just
to
put
appropriate
signage,
that
it
can
be
utilized
by
all.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
sarah
peters,
for
the
record.
Absolutely
so
this
bill
is
strictly
about
signage.
It
requires
no
retrofit,
it
requires
no
construction
obligation
and
the
future
obligation
for
municipalities
is
just
making
sure
that
any
installed
single
saw
bathroom
has
the
non-gendered
signage.
D
Okay,
if
I
could
continue
on
madam
chair,
I
was
also
curious
about
situation
where
some
of
the
accommodations
that
have
been
built
many
years
ago
would
have
male
and
female,
but
the
male
bathroom
has
a
urinal.
Would
they
have
to
retrofit
or
take
out
the
urinal
in
that
particular
situation,
or
do
they
also
have
to
then
let
both
sexes
to
that
one?
Or
can
they
just
say
because
it
has
a
urinal
we're
leaving
it
as
just
mail.
C
C
C
But
it's
to
me
that's
not
an
that's,
not
necessarily
a
limiting
of
the
space
to
to
people
who
would
generally
use
a
toilet
rather
than
a
urinal.
C
Assemblywoman,
peters,
for
the
record,
I
don't
believe
that's
necessary.
I
think
especially
having
a
husband
and
a
son.
They
function
just
fine
with
just
a
toilet.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
and
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
to
the
extent
that
this
is
something
we've
dealt
with
for
well.
As
long
as
I
was
in
construction
development,
so
going
on
30
years,
I
I've
built
many
many
many
facilities
with
a
single
stall,
alongside
usually
adjacent
to
the
standard,
multi-stall
restrooms
for
men
and
women,
and
in
each
case,
over
the
30
years,
we
didn't
assign
that
to
a
particular
gender.
E
C
E
Okay
and
that's
what
I'm
kind
of
driving
at,
because
those
are
not
single
gendered,
they
go
with
the
long-standing
biology
male
female
right,
but
it's
indicating
that
both
are
acceptable
in
that
room.
In
fact,
many
of
the
signs
say
family,
which
would
include
everybody
right
because
we're
all
part
of
a
family
at
some
point.
So
I'm
trying
to
get
the
distinction
between
what
this
bill
requires
in
terms
of
non-gender,
because
you
don't
like
bill
that
we
saw
recently
where
they
actually
showed
us
the
sign
that
they
were
looking
at
this
bill.
E
Doesn't
so
how
did
just
ex
describe
for
me?
If
you
would
what
the
sign
looks
like
and
how
it
differs
from
the
present
sign.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record.
I
worked
with
lcb
to
try
and
make
this
language
as
broad
as
possible,
while
also
ensuring
that
we,
the
point,
was,
was
made
that
restrooms
should
be
accessible
by
all
genders
in
the
single
stall
case,
so
that
we
include
included
in
here.
C
She'll,
not
label
the
single
stall,
just
restroom
with
gendered
signage,
meaning
single
gendered,
but
may
label
right.
So
even
no
label
would
be
fine
may
label,
including
without
limitation.
All
gender
bathroom
are
all
accessible
bathrooms.
So
we
tried
to
make
this
very
broad
and
and
really
only
exclude
those
signs
that
are
specific
to
a
single
gender.
E
All
right,
I
appreciate
that,
because
that's
important
right
a
lot
of
businesses,
particularly
those
that
are
trying
to
be
sensitive
and
politically
correct
if
they
read
the
language
the
way
I
did
not
to
say,
that's
the
only
way
to
read
it
obviously,
but
if
they
read
it
the
way
I
did
it
mean.
Oh,
I
got
to
change
all
the
labels
because
my
labels
show
genders.
E
What
I
hear
you
saying
is
that
that
as
long
as
it's
both
genders,
that's
acceptable
so
that
they
don't
have
to
go
through
the
expense.
E
And
if
that's
the
case,
then
are
we
requiring
at
state
parks,
because,
typically,
those
are
single
use,
restrooms
that
now
all
restrooms
at
state
parks
are
going
to
be
non-assigned,
because
I
I
know
that
there's
typically
one
for
men
and
one
for
women,
because
what
I
hear-
and
in
fact
I've
heard
it
from
my
colleagues-
they
don't
want
to
go
into
a
restroom
where
someone
has
lifted
the
seat.
Okay,
and
that
makes
a
difference,
and
so
what
that'll
do
to
them
is
it'll
mean
all
bets
are
off.
E
C
I
don't
think
that
the
current
scenario
where
people
arbitrarily
don't
follow
the
signage
limits
that
particular
scenario
from
happening
so-
and
I
know
in
the
case
of
this
this
building
right
when
we
go
into
the
restroom,
the
women's
restroom,
the
toilet
seats
are
up
right
now,
because
they're
cleaning
so
frequently,
so
I
I
just
don't
see
that
as
as
being
a
a
statutory
solution
problem,
that's
kind
of
more
of
a
practical
human
interaction
problem,
and
I
I
I
also
had
the
conversation
with
our
state
parks.
C
E
Well,
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
and
everybody's
going
to
approach
it
a
little
differently
and
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
respecting
everyone,
including
those
that
you
know,
and
in
this
case
the
women
who
don't
want
to
go
into
the
restroom-
that's
been
used
by
the
man
for
obvious
reasons.
E
It
means
they
have
to
clean
the
toilet
before
they
use
it,
and
they
don't
want
to
do
that
and
if
we
make
all
of
them
essentially
potentially
men's
rooms,
they
have
no
option
at
that
point.
So
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
explore
that
a
little
bit.
I
I
appreciate
where
you're
going
and-
and
I
appreciate
putting
on
the
record
that
we
don't
have
to
retrofit
those
that
don't
meet
the
explicit
requirements
of
the
signage,
as
it's
described
in
here
as
long
as
it's
intended
that
both
genders
or
all
genders
can
use
it.
F
There
were
no
seats,
it
was
just
the
toilet,
so
we
have
a
different
sensibility
and
it
sounds
like
you're
sensitive
to
that
sensibility
and
at
the
same
time,
yeah.
I
think
it's
wise
that
we
not
punish
women
for
having
a
longer
line.
F
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
assemblywoman
peter's
for
the
record.
This
is
not
limited
to
public
restrooms.
This
is
for
every
publicly
available
restroom
in
the
state,
and
I
did
have
early
discussions
with
the
the
retail
association
and
the
the
resort
association
about
whether
they
would
have
issue
with
this
bill,
and
the
response
I
got
I
received
was
this
is
best
practice.
D
D
So
in
that
situation,
do
they
have
to
you
understand
the
question
there?
I
would
agree
if
it's
single
stall,
single
urinal
make
it
you
know
available
for
everybody,
but
if
you
get
into
a
situation
where
bars
a
lot
of
times
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
people
that
have
to
use
a
urinal.
For
some
reason,
and
in
that
respect
they
may
have
three
urinals,
but
only
one
just
so
we
have
it
on
the
record.
What
your
intent
is.
C
Thank
you
for
the
scenario.
Sarah
peters,
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
direct
you.
If
I
may,
to
section
9,
sub
4,
b
c,
single
stall,
restroom
means
a
restroom
that
is
intended
for
an
individual
use
and
contains
a
single
toilet
or
a
single
urinal
or
a
toilet
and
a
urinal.
So
in
the
case
of
multiple
urinals
that
wouldn't
qualify
as
a
single
stall.
G
So,
madam
chair,
can
I
ask
okay
thanks,
so
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
right.
I
had
questions
on
section
four
well,
really
section
four
section:
five,
where
a
person
is
guilty
of
a
misdemeanor
if
they
will
hold
to
hot
denied,
deprive
or
attempt
to
withhold
for
section
one
so
in
real
life.
How
does
this
play
out
right?
So
a
couple
of
couple
of
thoughts
that
went
into
my
mind
right,
so
I
was
in
california
and
I
was
at
a
conference
and
had
an
all-gender
bathroom.
G
First
of
all,
the
signage
on
the
bathroom
confused
me
and
I
didn't
know
which
bathroom
I
was
supposed
to
use
because
I
was
like
I
don't.
What
is
this
like?
It's
I
don't.
What
what's
the
sign
like
is
this
for
me,
because
I
have
an
uncomfortability
going
into
a
bathroom
that
was
prior
to
use
by
man.
I
don't
like
it.
I
don't
want
to
do
it.
I
I
don't
want
to
have
to
wipe
the
seat
down.
I
don't
want
to
have
to
figure
out
who
left
the
stall
up.
G
I
just
want
to
go
into
the
bathroom,
that's
designated
for
a
woman
right,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
like
what's
going
on
in
the
world
and
how
people
are
responding
to
what's
happening,
how
is
a
person
supposed
to
know
that
that
access
was
denied?
Is
access
denied
because
there's
failure
to
have
signage
is
there
access
denied?
Because
there's
failure
to
direct
me
to
the
appropriate
place?
What
triggers
the
misdemeanor.
C
That's
a
really
good
question:
assemblywoman
peters,
for
their
record
and
not
being
a
lawyer.
I
don't
feel
like.
I
can
speak
necessarily
to
that.
I
I
would
ask
the
chair
if
her
legal
staff
may
be
open
to
responding.
H
Thank
you,
chair
spearman,
for
the
record.
Will
keen
committee
council
sections
the
first
several
sections
of
the
bill,
including
section
four?
They
all
amend
the
public
accommodations
statute,
chapter
651
and
that
enforcement
provision
in
chapter
651-080
has
been
around
since
the
the
mid-60s.
H
There
may
be
a
problem
of
facts,
sometimes
showings
who's,
depriving
someone
of
a
right
but
there's
a
a
large
body
of
case
law.
Enforcing
the
public
accommodations
rules.
That's
been
building
since
the
60s,
and
this
would
fit
in
with
the
other
public
accommodation
rules
and
there's
some
obvious
cases
that
you
could
imagine
where
somebody
refuses
or
has
a
bouncer
at
a
bar
who
refuses
to
let
people
into
a
bathroom
unless
they're
of
a
particular
gender
they're
more
subtle
ways,
but
I
think
it'd
be
the
case
law.
G
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
record
will
keep
community
council
us.
H
This
is
just
amending,
so
this
would
not
affect
any
federal
action
that
you
might
or
might
not
have,
but
this
is
is
creating
a
new
protection
in
state
law.
On
the
back.
G
G
Does
it
go
to
nerc,
what's
the
trigger
here,
because
what's
the
response,
so
when
I'm
thinking
about
single
stall
bathrooms,
which
typically
are
more
in
small
businesses,
so
when
I
think
about
like
there's
this
place
in
in
it's
like
outside
of
my
district
and
they
have
like
it's
like
a
vegan
place,
but
it's
a
single
stall
bathroom,
it
just
says
bathroom
right
just
as
restroom.
It
doesn't
indicate
anything
because
because
of
the
size
of
the
space,
it's
just
one
bathroom.
G
H
Bathroom,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
chair
for
the
record
will
keen
community
council.
I
think
we
have
two
questions
here.
One
is
what
sort
of
signage
would
violate
the
provisions,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
provisions
in
section
one
which
are
largely
repeated
throughout
the
stat
the
bill
they
don't
require
a
particular
kind
of
signage.
H
H
This
is
actually
pretty
interesting
that
the
state
has
specifically
authorized
county
and
city
ordinance
governments
to
adopt
ordinances,
to
enforce
these
provisions
and
set
it
up
so
that
if
the
county
or
city
has
done
so
and
is
enforcing
the
provision,
then
then
the
state
will
not
also
enforce
it.
However,
if
the
county
or
city
does
not
do
that,
then
the
state
can
enforce
it
or
people
are
allowed
to
file
with
nerc,
which,
as
you
know,
ultimately
can
lead
to
private
rights
of
action
depending
on
how
that
all
works
out
with
the
nerg
investigation.
G
H
I
don't
think
that
the
particular
provision
is
in
the
bill,
but
what
it
is
the
particular
provision
at
issue
is
nrs651.100,
and
it
specifically
says
that
the
local
governments
are
authorized
to
adopt
ordinances,
but
such
ordinance
cannot
be
broader
in
scope,
so
they
cannot
cover
things
that
are
not
covered
by
chapter
651
and
the
punishments
cannot
be
more
severe.
G
Yeah,
it
does
and
then
so
so
then,
going
back
to
section
five
sub
c,
where
this
is
the
punishing
or
attempts
to
punish
any
other
person
for
exercising
or
attempting
to
exercise
any
right
or
privilege
or
access
to
or
to
section
one
of
this
act.
So
in
this
case,
when
we
read
any
other
person
for
exercising
or
attempting
to
exercise
any
right,
so
is
this
now
an
extension
to
not
just
the
person
who
was
attempting
to
use
the
bathroom,
but
any
other
person
who
may
be
with
the
person?
I
mean.
G
There's,
there's
two
there's
a
couple
scenarios
you
have
parent
guardian,
which
is
entirely
different,
where
the
parent
has
every
right
to
be
in
the
space
to
defend
their
child.
But
then
you
have
the
person
to
person
where
I'm
the
friend
and
then
the
friend
is
there
and
they're
saying
well,
I
feel
like
the
the
business
was
attempting
to
punish
us
for
asking
about
the
signage,
how
what's
the
lineage
of
the
rights
and
how
does
it
extend
down
the
path?
G
H
So
as
we're
looking
at
mrs
651.090
as
it's
in
section
five,
the
case
law
may
expand
upon
this
point,
but
just
looking
at
the
plain
language,
what
we
have
here
are
anybody
who's
been
denied
a
right
or
or
well
there's.
This
is
a
little
bit
confusing
because
the
language
uses
person
in
two
different
senses
at
the
top.
H
When
you
look
at
on
page
four
line
33,
they
talk
about
any
person
who
that's
the
person
who's,
doing
the
depriving
who's,
doing
the
attempting
to
withhold,
etc
or
intimidation
and
then,
in
embedded
in
paragraphs
a
b
and
c,
for
example,
on
page
four
line
35
the
person
referred
to
there
is
the
person
who's
trying
to
exercise
a
right
but
they're
guaranteed
so
to
expand
upon
your
hypothetical.
H
So
if
there
were
a
person
and
section,
one
mentions,
for
example,
that
if
you
have
a
caregiver
who's
been
designated
pursuant
to
chapter
four,
four
nine,
a
you
should
be
able
to
enter
the
bathroom
with
your
caregiver,
and
so
the
caregiver
has
a
right
under
the
statute
as
well
to
be
able
to
enter.
And
if
someone
is
someone
it
could
be
really.
Anybody
is
trying
to
prevent
your
caregiver
from
entering
into
the
bathroom
with
you.
Your
caregiver
would
have
an
action
here
because
they
have
a
protected
right.
H
H
G
Are
we
giving
equal
weight
to
bathroom
access
as
to
a
racial
incident
where
you
were
denied
access
to
a
bathroom
right,
gender
and
race?
Gender
doesn't
have
the
same
hierarchy
as
race.
G
I
get
what
what's
being
played
here,
but
I
also
understand
that
there's
and-
and
this
may
be
offensive
to
some
people-
there's
hypersensitivity,
that's
going
on
right
and
so
you're
being
thrown
into
situations
and
you're
like
holy
smokes.
I
now
have
a
federal
freaking
lawsuit
against
me
for
not
having
signage
on
this,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
What's
the
timeline
that
this
has
to
be
triggered
and
a
person
has
to,
because
I
see
october
1st
for
sections
1,
2,
3,
6
and
13
and
then
february
1st
2022,
so
this
passes
in
october.
G
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record.
Will
wilkeen
community
council
with
regard
to
strict
scrutiny
or
intermediate
scrutiny,
tests
or
rational
basis?
Those
would
apply
when
a
statute
is
being
challenged
so
and
you're
exactly
correct.
If,
if
there's
a
statute
which
is
being
challenged
as
being
discriminatory
on
the
basis
of
race,
the
standard
that
would
apply
to
uphold
such
a
statute
would
be
strict
scrutiny
and
for
gender.
H
It's
an
immediate
scrutiny
so
that,
if
a
statute
being
challenged
is
being
unconstitutional
because
it
discriminated
against
somebody
based
on
their
gender,
that
there
be
a
lower
level
of
examination
known
as
the
intermediate
scrutiny
and
then,
as
you
also
know,
for
most
laws
is
rational
basis
when
there's
no
kind
of
protected
class
or
right.
But
with
regard
to
this
statute
here
in
section
five.
H
So
on
a
certain
level.
Those
are
all
treated
the
same
as
far
as
being
enforced
by
this
statute
and
as
far
as
the
effective
date
goes.
So
the
way
that
this
bill
was
set
up.
The
three
provisions
which
provide
for
enforcement
have
been
delayed
an
effective
date
until
february
1st
of
2022..
H
Those
are
the
criminal
enforcement
provisions
and
I
don't
believe
that
the
authorization
to
file
a
complaint
with
nerc
is
in
the
bill.
So
so
so
this
is
what
would
happen
so
on
october,
1st
of
2021
all
the
provisions,
except
for
sections
4,
5
and
14,
which
are
the
criminal
enforcement
provisions.
H
All
those
other
provisions
would
go
into
effect
and
on
or
before
that
date,
everybody
who's
covered
by
this,
including
all
the
places
of
public
accommodation,
should
change
their
signage
and
if
they
do
not,
they
have
effectively
until
february
1st
of
2022
to
change
the
signage.
And
during
that
grandfather
period
or
window
of
opportunity
of
about
five
months,
they
will
not
be
subject
to
any
criminal
penalties.
However,
the
nerc
provision
would
apply
starting
on
october,
1st
of
2021.
A
Senator,
let
me
go
with
the
senator
schreibel
first
and
center
for
the
second
time.
I
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
bill
just
you
know
a
quick
comment.
I
think
that
it
is
past
time
that
we
do
this
in
places
of
public
accommodation.
It
doesn't
sound
overly
burdensome
to
me,
and
so
my
question
is
whether
you
encountered
a
lot
or
any
opposition
to
this
bill.
Are
there
businesses
that
are
you
know,
for
lack
of
a
better
term
freaking
out
about
these
new
requirements.
I
Thank
you
and
my
my
second
question
is
that
I've
also
you
know
I've
been
in
public
restrooms
and
a
lot
of
places
use
like
cutesy
little
signs
with
that
are
maybe
gendered
or
not
gendered
and
have
aliens
on
them
and
animals,
and
things
like
that,
and
would
those
signs
still
be
able
to
comply
with
this
with
the
terms
of
this
bill.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record.
Yes,
absolutely,
and
I
even
imagined
and
our
universities,
the
art
students
could
get
together
and
do
signage
that
you
know
in
in
child
care
facilities
that
children
could
decorate
the
signage
if
they
wanted
to
you
know
the
opportunities
for
creativity
are
endless
under
this
provision.
I
And
then
would
that
even
open
the
opportunity
to
designate
bathrooms
by,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
being
clear
that
I'm
not
talking
about
making
a
discriminatory
in
other
ways-
and
I
do
take
this
issue
seriously,
but
also
understand
that
we're
talking
about
preschools
and
restaurants
and
anywhere
in
the
world,
and
so
could
we
use
like
other
designations
like
this
is
the
bathroom
for
people
who
put
the
seat
up.
I
This
is
the
bathroom
for
people
who
put
the
seat
back
down
as
in
keep
all
your
bathrooms
clean,
or
could
you
have
like
for
children
silly
designations?
These
are
for
people
who,
like
cheese
pizza.
These
are
like
people
like
pepperoni
pizza,
like
does
this
prohibit
businesses
from
engaging
in
those
practices
as
long
as
they're,
not
separating
people
by
actual
gender.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
and
again
I'm.
I
am
not
a
sorry,
sir.
Sarah
peters
for
the
record,
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
but
my
interpretation
and
intention
of
the
bill
is
that
it
be
strictly
on
the
single
gender
signage.
So
those
kinds
of
silly
signs
or
functional
signs
or
suggestive
signs
of
how
to
utilize
the
restroom
I
don't
feel
like
they
would
be
prohibited
under
this
bill.
I
may
suggest
that
we
ask
legal
for
clarification
and
insurance
that
that's
the
case
under
the
language.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
spearman,
for
the
record.
Will
king
community
council,
as
as
I
read
section,
1
subsection,
2
paragraph
b,
starting
on
page
3
line
18.?
H
The
key
is
that
the
bathroom
has
to
be
labeled
in
a
way
that
includes
everybody
and
the
prohibition
earlier
in
the
section
is
that
you,
you
can't
limit
the
bathroom
to
use
by
any
particular
person,
so
silly
designations
would
be
fine
as
long
as
as
long
as
they're,
not
preventing
anybody
from
using
the
restroom.
So
I
don't
know
whether
having
a
restroom
that
says
that
you
can
only
use
it
if
you
like
cheese
pizza
would
as
long
as
that
was
just
taken
as
a
silly
thing,
and
anybody
is
allowed
to
use
the
restroom.
I
And
if
I
could
just
follow
up,
I
think
to
clarify
my
point
was
that
you
could
use
designations
that
would
never
be
enforceable.
You
know
to
allow
children
their
space
for
creativity
or
any
other
reason.
So
thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
questions
have
led
me
down
a
path
in
my
head,
where
I
was
thinking
about
what
I
had
just
said
about
the
my
experience
in
building
facilities,
and
then
it
occurred
to
me
when
senator
neil
was
asking
her
questions
about
the
practical
aspects
and
enforceability
the
international
building
code
or
I'm
sorry,
international
plumbing
code
back
in
2018
required
the
addition
of
the
gender-neutral
bathrooms.
E
Once
you
get
to
a
certain
point,
a
certain
occupancy
level,
and
then
it
occurred
to
me
that
the
building
codes
also
require
and
they're
based
on,
and
these
are
health
and
safety
standards
right.
These
are
built
on
decades,
if
not
centuries
of
experience
in
dealing
with
the
practical
realities,
and
then
it
led
me
to
the
idea.
E
There's
I
have
a
favorite
restaurant
indian
food
there
just
down
the
street
from
my
house
and
their
occupancy
is
such
that
they
are
required
to
have
two
restrooms
but
they're,
both
single
stalls,
but
the
building
code
requires
one
for
men,
one
for
women.
Does
this
obviate
or
displace
the
building
code
requirements?
E
C
E
Right,
well
maybe
I'll
direct
this
to
mr
keene.
If
I
may,
madam
chair,
mr
keane,
do
you
have
any
insight
into
because
the
the
both
the
state
and
the
local,
whether
it's
county
or
municipal
jurisdictions,
adopt
the
building
code
as
ordinances,
and
so
we
have
the
force
of
law
in
terms
of
the
building
codes
and
they
require
gender,
specific
restrooms
and
the
number
of
stalls
are
based
on
occupancy?
E
H
That,
with
your
permission,
madam
chair
will
keen
community
council
section.
H
Nine
of
the
bill
addresses
the
building
codes
and
it
requires
the
county,
cities
and
other
government
entities
that
adopt
building
codes,
to
update
their
building
codes,
to
provide
for
these
single
gender,
for
anybody
to
be
able
to
use
the
single
stall
bathrooms
and
therefore,
all
buildings
constructed
on
or
after
october,
1st
of
2021
for
buildings
that
have
already
been
constructed,
they're
going
to
have
to
comply
with
with
the
with
the
rules
of
this
bill,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
change
their
signage
if
they're,
public,
restrooms
and
that's
the
other
thing
to
remember
is
this-
does
not
apply
to
private
restrooms,
but
for
public
restrooms.
H
E
J
Hi
thanks
and
I
apologize
for
missing
your
presentation,
but
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
so
and-
and
I
read
through
this
just
if
you
could
clarify
so
we're
only
talking
about
a
bathroom
with
one
stall
and
how
about
a
bathroom
with
one
or
two
urinals
and
a
stall.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record.
We
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
earlier.
Senator
seldelmeyer
had
a
an
anecdote
for
a
three
a
three
urinal
restroom
and
because
of
the
definition
we
include
here
for
single
stall
restroom.
That
would
be
section
one
on
page
three
line:
27
contains
a
single
toilet
or
a
single
urinal,
or
a
toilet
and
a
urinal.
So
in
the
case
of
multiple
urinals
they
would
not
come.
They
would
not
follow
under
that
single
stall.
Restroom
definition,
okay,.
J
F
F
So
I
walked
into
a
bathroom
in
a
women's
bathroom
in
a
service
station,
and
there
was
this
gizmo
that
I
didn't
know
what
it
was.
It
was
a
female
urinal
and
so
they
exist,
and
so,
as
I
read
this,
how
does
that
comport
with
the
urinal
concept
or
it
seems
to
me
the
way
a
female
urinal
is
designed?
A
male
could
use
it.
F
So
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
somewhere
in
somebody's
head
about
what
that
is
and
where
I'm
going
with
this,
because
theoretically
a
male
should
be
able
to
go
in
there.
Then,
with
this
attitude,
so
my
challenge
was
when
I
mistakenly
entered
a
multiple
stalled
bathroom
only
to
discover
there
were
no
urinals
and
then
realized.
Oh,
no,
I'm
in
the
wrong
place.
So
now
have
I
committed
a.
C
A
A
It
was
nasty,
so
I
went
to
the
other
water
fountain
and
just
as
I
put
my
hand
on
the
apparatus
to
turn
the
water
on
my
mother
grabbed
me
in
the
back
of
my
shirt,
my
dressing
yanked
me
back
and
she
yanked
me
back
with
such
force
that
I
almost
hit
my
mouth
on
the
metal
piece
and
she
was
biting
her
lips
and
yelling
at
me.
Do
you
want
to
be
killed?
Do
you
want
to
be
killed?
A
I
don't
think
I
was
seven
yet
and
I'm
looking
at
her
and
I'm
like
what
what
I'm
just
trying
to
drink
of
and
she
said
I
need
you
to
look
at
those
signs
and
this
one
and
that
one
and
the
first,
the
sign
that
she
pointed
to
was
over
the
water
fountain.
I
was
getting
ready
to
drink
from
and
that
sign
said
for
whites
only
and
the
one
where
the
gentleman
spit
into
the
basin.
A
I
said
that
is
colo
red
color
red.
What
does
that
mean
mom
and
she
said
it's
not
colored,
it's
colored,
that's
for
negroes.
You
cannot
drink
from
the
fountain
or
go
any
place
where
you
see
whites.
You
are
not
white,
you're,
not
white,
and
to
this
this
day
every
time
I
think
about
that.
I
can
feel
my
mom
yanking
me
back
and
god
rest
as
she's
in
heaven
now,
but
I
feel
like
yanking
me
back
and
yelling
at
me
and
I
couldn't
understand
why
she
was
so
upset.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
If
you
look
at
google
scholar,
which
is
a
place
where
a
lot
of
people
who
are
doing
research
go
to-
and
I
think
there's
probably
more
than
two
thousand
articles
that
deal
with
it-
and
it's
probably
half
and
half-
but
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
the
range
of
emotions
for
me
were:
why
am
I
supposed
to
choose
and
if
we're
talking
about
a
gender-neutral
bathroom
and
you
have
other
options,
I
remember
walking
into
a
dairy
queen
right
outside
montgomery
alabama
and
it
was
close
to
the
high
school
that
my
sister
and
I
were
the
first
to
integrate.
A
And
my
friends
crying
and
my
sister
yelling
please
come
out
of
there.
I
walk
through
the
front
door
instead
of
the
back
door.
So
every
time
I
hear
when
I
hear
discussions
like
this,
I'm
sorry
you
all.
I
cannot
help
but
think
about
what
it
felt
like,
not
seven
years
old
to
be
told.
I
couldn't
go
someplace,
because
people
thought
something
was
wrong
with
me.
A
A
I
will
not
choose
between
my
gender,
my
ethnicity
or
my
affectional
orientation
and
anything
that
opposes
any
one
of
those.
This
is
all
of
me.
This
is
who
god
made
me
and
I'm
proud
of
it.
I
ain't
gonna,
choose
I'm
not
gonna,
choose
here's
a
statement
and
I'll
make
sure.
Can
I
make
sure
that
you
get
this
a
person's
civil
rights
ensure
protection
from
discrimination
based
on
race,
gender,
sexual
orientation,
national
origin
or
ethnicity,
religion,
age
and
disability,
while
often
confused
with
civil
liberties?
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
that
I've
been
called
away.
They
requested
that
I
have
a
discussion
to
make
sure
we're,
not
here
tuesday
or
wednesday
or
thursday
or
friday
or
saturday.
In
that
respect,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
slip
out.
I
appreciate
the
concept
of
the
bill.
I'm
trying
to
wrestle
with
some
of
the
discussions
that
are
happening
here
within
the
committee,
because
there
is,
there
is
no
gender
on
an
outhouse,
that's
just
a
fundamental
reality.
D
However.
I've
gone
to
many
restrooms
where
some
of
these
cutesy
little
signs
triggered.
You
know
going
back
to
my
youth,
where
I
could
be
like
your
son,
no
I'm
not
going
in
there
because
I
think
I'm
actually
going
in
the
girls,
restroom
and
I'll
actually
wait
till.
I
see
somebody
else
go
in
and
follow
him
in
and
then
either
I'm
following
their
mistake
or
I'm
not.
So
if
you
end
up
voting
this
out
today,
just
put
me
as
yet
to
be
determined.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
so
I
I
wrestle
with
this
a
lot
because,
frankly,
we
have
general
neutral
bathrooms
in
our
houses
and
but
I
think
the
difference
for
me
is
when
I'm
on
an
airplane.
I
never
use
the
restroom,
because
it's
so
dirty
when
I
went
to
a
gas
station
as
a
kid.
J
I
never
used
bathrooms
because
they
were
so
dirty,
but
I
also
think
that
new
york
has
a
law
like
this
and
when
I
was
in
new
york
at
the
theater,
the
line
for
the
women's
restroom
was
so
long
and
people
said
well
in
new
york.
You
can
use
the
men's
restroom
right,
and
so
we
all
go
in
there
and
there
are
men
at
the
urinals
and
the
stalls.
J
All
the
women
are
in
right
and
but,
like
senator
neil
said,
I
think
the
thing
that's
troubling
to
me
as
a
woman
is
that
men
get
to
stand
up
and
use
the
restroom
and
we
have
to
sit
down,
and
they
are
sometimes
so
dirty
and
in
businesses
in
our
business
that
I
work
for
in
the
men's.
Restroom
would
qualify
under
this.
J
The
women's
would
not,
but
we
have
someone
that
comes
in
and
cleans
once
a
day
they
clean,
and
so
when
I
look
at
the
cleanliness
factor,
they
have
to
go
all
day
till
the
next
day
till
the
cleaners
come
in
to
clean
the
facility,
and
so
as
a
woman.
It
takes
me
back
to
my
early
days
when
I
didn't
want
to
use
those
single
stall
restrooms
because
they
were
so
dirty
and
and
I'm
kind
of
tossed,
because
I
think,
even
since
the
pandemic
we're
all
so
concerned,
I
mean
I'm
even
more
concerned
about
cleanliness.
C
I
understand
what
you're
talking
about
even
in
this
building,
when
the
building
was
a
limited
capacity,
the
restrooms
were
always
so
tidy
and
just
opening
it
up
to
more
folks
entering
the
building
resulted
in
more
toilet
paper
pieces
on
the
floor,
more
water
on
the
counter
tops,
and
we
know
that
that's
where
germs
grow
right,
I'm
not
sure
that
talking
about
how
we
gen,
how
we
signage
a
bathroom
changes,
people's
behavior
in
the
bathroom
that
again
to
the
conversation
with
senator
pickard
earlier,
is
really
a
human
issue
to,
and
I've
been
in
restroom
before
starbucks
went
to
a
non-gendered
model,
I
went
into
a
women's
starbucks
bathroom
and
who
whoa
nelly
and
it
was
9.
C
I
I
have
a
question,
and
I
think
this
is
what
I
was
trying
to
get
at
earlier-
is
that
you
know
cleanliness
is
definitely
an
issue
in
public
restrooms
and
it
is
not
okay
to
discriminate
against
people
based
on
their
sex
or
gender
or
gender
identity.
I
But
maybe
what
I'm
asking
is:
is
it
okay
to
discriminate
against
people
based
on
their
inability
to
follow
rules
and
be
civilized,
and
could
you
enact
a
rule
that
says
if
you
do
not
clean
up
after
yourself
in
this
restroom,
if
we
find
that
you
leave
this
restroom
with
the
seat
up
with
urine
on
the
on
the
floor
with
toilet
paper
on
the
floor,
you
don't
put
your
paper
towels
in
the
trash.
Can
you
will
not
be
allowed
to
use
this
restroom
anymore?
Is
there
anything
stopping
businesses
from
doing
that.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
spearman,
for
the
record.
Will
king
committee
council,
all
I
can
do
is
go
back
to
the
language
of
the
bill,
which
is
repeated
several
times.
We
can
just
look
at
section
one.
It's
some
page
page
three
lines,
eighteen
through
twenty,
so
it
that's,
that's
the
requirement
that
it
it.
H
So
if
you
had
a
a
cartoon
bear
that
was
obviously
dressed
as
a
female
and
another
one
dressed
as
a
male
on
two
different
bathrooms.
That
would
seem
like
that's
a
subterfuge
for
having
gendered
bathrooms,
but
you
can
label
the
bathrooms.
However,
you
want
as
long
as
it's
clear
that
they're
available
for
both
genders
and
in
fact,
for
everyone.
C
So,
madam
chair,
I
have
a
question
and
hypothetical:
give.
C
Peters
for
the
record,
thank
you
so
be
in
a
in
a
private
business.
C
H
With
your
permission,
madam
chair,
once
again,
will
king
committee
council.
H
All
this
bill
does
is
say
that
the
bathrooms,
if
they're
single
stall,
if
they
meet
the
requirements,
if
it's
a
single
stall
bathroom
that
meets
these
requirements
and
it's
open
to
the
public,
then
it
has
to
be
available
for
any
person
whether
you
can
exclude
people
from
your
business.
That's
I
would
have
to
look
into
that.
That's
beyond
the
scope
of
this
bill.
This
bill
does
not
require
a
business
to
have
a
public
restroom
in
particular.
If
there's
another
law
that
requires
a
business,
have
a
public
restroom,
they
would
have
to
follow
that
law.
H
As
far
as
being
able
to
exclude
people
from
your
business,
I
we
would
have
to
look
into
that,
and
we
can
I'm
sure
if
you
would
like.
C
Thank
you,
sarah
peters,
for
the
record.
I've
been
in
businesses
right
where
they
have
signs
that
say
these
people
are
not
welcome
in
our
business
because
of
past
actions,
and
I
think
if,
if
they
can
do
that
for
leaving,
you
know
knocking
things
over
or
being
inappropriate
in
the
space
that
that
would
also
pertain
to
their
right
to
the
restroom
of
their
business.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
think
this
is
more
more
of
a
comment
that
you
know.
I
I
also
understand
the
concern
of
walking
into
a
single
use
restroom,
and
it
is
dirty
and
it
is
unsanitary.
I
just
cannot
get
behind
the
idea
that
the
solution
to
that
is
to
say
people
who
are
men
or
look
like
men
or
who
plan
to
stand
when
they
use
the
restroom
are
not
allowed
in
this
restroom.
I
Those
all
seem
like
reasonable
solutions
to
the
problem
of
dirty
restrooms,
excluding
people
based
on
their
gender,
gender
identity,
family
status
or,
basically,
what
we're
saying
is
what
they
look
like,
because
you
look
like
a
man.
I
don't
want
you
entering
this
restroom
before
me
or
exiting
this
restroom
before
I
enter
it.
Those
are
not
good
solutions
to
dirty
bathroom
problems,
and
so
I
hope
that-
and
I
I
am
very
confident
actually
that
this
law
still
allows
for
that.
I
I'm
I'm
reading
the
language
over
and
over
again-
and
you
know,
being
a
jerk-
is
not
a
protected
class.
Being
a
jerk
is
also
not
a
crime,
so
we
can
exclude
people
from
the
bathroom
who
are
jerks
and
leave
it
a
mess,
but
we
can't
exclude
people
from
the
bathroom
who
are,
you
know
not
conforming
with
our
ideals
of
gender.
Thank
you.
A
So
I'll
just
make
one
more
statement
and
I
said
that
the
discussion
has
evoked
some
real
emotions
for
me,
painful
emotions
and
I
know
the
discussion
about
race,
ethnicity,
gender,
gender
presentation,
gender
identification.
A
All
those
sorts
of
things
are
uncomfortable,
but
until
we
start
having
those
uncomfortable
conversations,
we
will
never
get
truly
on
the
road
to
being
a
perfected
nation.
We're
not
perfect
we're
on
the
way
to
perfection.
As
a
soldier,
we
had
gender
neutral
bathrooms,
you
know
what
they
were
called
trees.
A
What
were
they
called
when
you,
when
you're
in
the
field
and
and
they
didn't
bring
the
porta
polley,
you
knew
what
you
had
to
do.
I've
also
been
in
churches
where
they
have
a
sign.
I
don't
know
if
they
have
this
in
men's
restrooms,
but
they
have
a
sign
that
says
if
you
tinkle,
when
you
sprinkle,
please
be
neat
and
wipe
the
seat.
I
wonder
what
that
meant
or
instructions
where
or
where
not
to
put
feminine
products
after
they've
been
used.
A
So
I
hear
I
I
hear
and
and
please
don't
anyone
think
I'm
discounting
your
concerns
about
clinton.
I'm
not
I'm
not
doing
that.
I'm
just
saying
that
for
me.
If,
if
it's
an
option,
then
let's
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it
and
the
the
questions
that
were
raised
by
my
colleagues,
they're
they're,
genuine
and
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do.
There
may
be
some
more
when
we
go
to
public
comment,
maybe
some
more
but
work
with
work
with
council.
Let's
see
how
we
can
how
we
can
get
it
there.
A
We
won't
work
sessions
yesterday,
but
this
bill
evokes
some
very
real
and
painful
emotions.
For
me
very
real
and
painful
emotions-
and
I
don't
know
there-
may
be
one
other
person-
maybe
two
other
people-
maybe
more-
I
don't
know,
but
I
represent
all
three
of
the
people
that
have
been
discriminated
against
and
I
ain't
gonna
choose
which
one
I'm
gonna
fight
for
anybody
in
the
room
want
to
testify
in
support
of
this.
K
K
Madam
chair
and
the
honorable
members
of
the
committee,
I
am
brian
lee-
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
education
association,
the
voice
of
nevada,
educators
for
and
students
for,
over
120
years.
Prior
to
my
current
position,
I
provided
pro
bono
legal
services
to
transgendered
individuals,
seeking
accessibility
and
their
ability
to
be
visible
in
public
life.
The
simple
fact
is
that
the
lack
of
adequate
gender
affirming
restroom
facilities
prevents
individuals
from
fully
participating
in
civic
life
as
a
practical
matter.
K
L
Bill
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
maria
teresa
lieberman
parraga,
and
I
am
here
with
battleborn
progress.
We
are
in
full
support
of
ab280
and
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill.
Senator
spearman
and
senator
scheible.
When
you
both
gave
your
remarks.
I
thought
about
how
I
was
someone
like
senator
hardy,
that
when
I
was
in
high
school
and
college,
I
worked
at
cleaning
places
where
they
had
single
stall
restrooms.
I
had
to
go
into
men's
restrooms
and
clean
it
up.
I
had
to
go
into
women's.
L
I
had
to
go
into
mixed
and
yeah
people
can
be
disgusting
and
as
senator
spearman,
as
you
gave
your
remarks
as
we
were,
you
were
wrapping
up.
I
just
thought
my
level
of
discomfort
for
the
cleanliness
does
not
equate
the
level
of
pain
that
just
simply
not
being
able
to
go
into
a
restroom,
something
so
basic.
B
B
M
Good
morning,
chair,
spearman
and
committee,
thank
you
for
this
time.
My
name
is
jasmine.
Margarita
tobin
j-a-s-m-I-n,
margarita,
like
the
drink
tobin
t-o-b-o-n.
I
am
an
organizer
with
planned
parenthood
votes,
nevada,
planned
parenthood
votes.
Nevada
is
in
favor
of
ab280,
while
they're
a
necessity
for
all
people
for
gender,
diverse
nevadans
bathrooms
can
be
a
place
and
source
of
harassment,
policing,
bullying
and
violence.
As
we
heard
today.
Not
only
would
a
gender
inclusive
bathrooms
provide
safe
spaces
for
transgender
non-binary
and
gender
non-conforming
abaddon.
This
bill
would
also
benefit
nevadans
with
disabilities.
M
Sorry
are
helpful
for
people
with
a
disability
or
older
adults
who
require
assistance
from
different
sex
parents
or
caregivers
ab-280
will
help
create
a
safer,
more
inclusive,
nevada
all-around.
Thank
you
to
assemblywoman
therapeutics,
who
sponsored
aba
280.,
and
thank
you
again
for
this
time.
A
Thank
you
come
back
here
to
the
room,
anyone
in
the
room
in
opposition
to
assembly
bill
280..
You
know,
let's
go
to
the
phones.
Anyone
on
the
phone
is
in
opposition
to
assembly,
bill
280.
B
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
committee,
sarah
peters,
for
the
record.
I
appreciate
the
dialogue
and
discussion
this
morning
about
the
dynamic
scenario
we
have
with
public
restrooms.
I
think
that
this
has
kind
of
been
what
an
issue
for
a
long
time.
What
are
public
restrooms?
How
do
we
treat
them?
How
do
we
use
them
and
how
do
we
allow
businesses
to
operate
them
and
we
have
other
protections
in
place.
Ada
compliance
building
codes
that
exist
today.
C
This
bill
really
is
about
dignity
and
using
the
restroom
allowing
people
in
our
community
to
feel
like
they
can
use
that
space
in
a
safe
way
beyond
that
are
human
issues
that
we
can't
control
with
this
bill.
I
appreciate
your
consideration
and
I
hope
to
earn
your
support.
I
know
we
only
have
a
few
days
left,
so
I
will
attempt
to
reach
out
if
we're
not
able
to
get
there
this
time
around,
we
will
hopefully
be
able
to
work
towards
it
over
the
interim.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
Thank
you
just
before
we
we
end
this
this
weekend
we
commemorate
memorial
day
and
the
discussion
on
rights
was
not
lost
on
me.
A
As
a
veteran,
there
are
so
many
people
who
who
are
not
only
in
arlington
national
cemetery
but
in
military
cemeteries
around
the
around
the
country,
some
of
them
in
a
watery
grave
and
in
other
cemeteries
and
the
sacrifice
that
they
made.
I
hope
that
we
will
remember
that
and
it's
not
about
the
barbecues
or
the
gathering
and
the
parties
or
whatever
it's
not
about
that
at
all.