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9th
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senate
bill
291.
C
C
I
am
pleased
to
be
joined
by
matt
britton,
ceo
of
the
national
institute
of
modern
aesthetics,
who
will
provide
additional
information
about
the
practice
of
master
esthetician
a
little
bit
of
background
information.
The
aesthetic
industry
is
swiftly
evolving,
with
technology
advances
such
as
cosmetic
lasers
and
medical
life
based
devices
taking
skin
care
and
anti-aging
to
the
next
level.
C
However,
many
of
the
newest
innovation
in
skin
care
does
not
fall
under
the
scope
of
the
practice
of
the
current
nevada
aesthetics
license
these
new
procedures
use
state-of-the-art
technology
and
in
the
inability
to
license
these
procedures
poses
a
problem
for
spas
that
want
to
offer
these
services
and
for
the
estheticians
who
want
to
perform
them.
According
to
the
associated
skin
care
professionals,
there
are
approximately
183
000
estheticians
licensed
in
the
united
states.
C
All
states
require
estheticians
to
complete
some
type
of
education
or
training
before
they
qualify
for
a
licensure,
a
few
jurisdictions.
The
state
of
washington,
utah,
virginia
and
washington
dc
currently
recognize
a
two-tier
esthetician
license,
with
additional
training
and
education
in
a
master
aesthetics
program
or
apprenticeship.
Apprenticeships
required
to
become
a
licensed
master
esthetician.
C
Let
me
I'd
like
to
go
through
some
sections
of
the
bill.
This
bill
is
quite
long
but
chair.
If
you'd
like,
I
will
provide
the
committee
an
overview
of
the
sections
sections
1
to
21
authorizes
a
registered
nurse
or
master
esthetician
respectively,
to
reform
a
non-ablati,
ablative,
sorry,
aesthetic,
medical
procedure
under
certain
circumstances,
under
the
supervision
of
a
healthcare
professional.
C
These
sections
also
prohibit
these
professionals
from
from
performing
any
ablative
aesthetic
medical
procedure,
sections
18
to
20,
prescribe
the
qualifications
for
examination
and
to
obtain
a
license
as
a
master
esthetician
or
an
instruction
of
master
aesthetics
and
section
26
provides
that
a
person
licensed
as
a
master
esthetician
may
have
may
be
appointed.
As
a
member
of
the
board
section,
22
requires
a
state
board
of
cosmetology
to
adopt
regulations
prescribing
a
curriculum
for
a
course's
study
in
master
aesthetics
and
sets
forth
certain
requirements
to
be
included
in
such
curriculum.
C
Section
25
provides
that
physicians
and
physician
assistants
and
advanced
practice
registered
nurses
who
engage
in
the
practice
of
master
aesthetics
are
exempt
from
the
licensing
and
regulations
required
of
the
bill.
Section
28
of
this
bill
authorizes
the
board
to
issue
a
provisional
license
as
an
instructor
to
certain
licensed
master
estheticians
under
certain
circumstances.
C
Section
30
establishes
the
fees
for
an
examination
as
a
master
esthetician
and
as
an
instructor
of
a
master,
estheticians
and
section
33
provides
a
fees
for
a
license
as
a
master
esthetician
section
41
of
this
bill
requires
a
student
master
esthetician
to
complete
a
minimum
of
ten
percent
of
the
total
instruction
hours
before
commencing
work
on
pub
members
of
the
public
section.
42
of
this
bill
revises
provisions
related
to
disciplinary
action
against
holders
of
licenses
issued
by
the
board
to
a
person
licensed
as
a
master
esthetician
or
an
instructor
instructor
of
master
estheticians.
C
Finally,
section
44
of
this
bill
sets
forth
a
process
to
allow
the
board
to
issue
a
license
as
a
master
esthetician
to
certain
applicants
who
do
not
meet
the
requirements
at
port
in
this
bill,
but
who
number
one
hold
a
license
as
an
esthetician
issued
by
the
board
on
or
before
october,
1
of
2023
and
two
apply
for
licensure
on
or
before
october,
1
of
2023
and
three
meet
certain
other
requirements
and
chair.
We
also
have
amendments
from
I
think
they
misplaced
it.
C
We
also
have
an
amendment
from
the
cosmetology
board,
making
this
not
take
effect
until
january
of
next
year.
I
believe-
and
this
time
I'd
like
to
ask
matt
britton
if
he
would
unmute
his
mic
and
give
us
some
background
information
about
master
s,
tissues.
E
Yes
good
morning,
thank
you
senator
lang
and
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
this
time.
I
this
is
something
I'm
really
passionate
about
and
I'll
constrain
that
passion
and
be
brief
to
the
point
about
this.
This
is
an
exciting
time
for
us.
We
actually,
let
me
restate
my
name:
it's
matt,
m-a-t-t,
brenton
v-r-I-n-t-o-n
and
I'm
with
nema
national
institute
of
modern
aesthetics
and
with
that
acronym
is
nima.
E
We
operate
a
school
in
the
state,
an
aesthetic
school,
but
also
in
addition
to
that.
We
train
in
these
services
and
procedures
that
we're
talking
about
all
over
the
western
united
states
and
we've
graduated
and
trained
thousands
of
students,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
our
state
nevada
to
create
a
license
that
is
kind
of
sweeping
the
nation
there.
The
more
and
more
states
look
at
this.
They
are
creating
this
advanced
aesthetics
license,
and
this
is
something
that
is.
E
These
services
are
actually
happening
in
the
state
they're
taking
place,
they're
being
performed,
but
they're
being
performed
by
practitioners
and
by
technicians
who
do
not
have
any
licensing
and
who
are
not
necessarily
supervised,
and
we
know
this
because
our
students
who
receive
some
of
this
training,
who
finish
without
any
formal
designation
after
receiving
this
training,
can
go
out
and
and
take
these
jobs,
and
we
know
what's
happening
in
the
market.
E
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
actually
pass
some
legislation
and
create
a
formal
license
around
what
is
already
happening
and
to
sort
of
demystify
this
and
explain
these
services
and
procedures,
as
senator
lang
mentioned,
include
some
exciting
technologies
that
involve
using,
at
times
fda,
regulated
devices,
fda,
regulated
medical
devices
to
perform
services
like
laser
hair
removal,
laser
skin
rejuvenation,
laser
tattoo
removal,
skin,
tightening
skin
lightening,
there's
also
procedures
to
remove
and
actually
address
body
contouring
remove
fat,
and
these
services
and
procedures
are
are
exciting
and
effective
and
being
performed
at
the
time
at
this
current
time.
E
But
again,
no
licensing,
no
credentialing,
and
not
necessarily
any
training
is
required
to
provide
these.
So
this
bill
addresses
that
and
what
this?
What
what
this
legislation
will
do
is,
in
addition
to
the
basic
600-hour
basic
esthetician
license,
adds
an
additional
600
hours
of
training
in
these
areas
and
to
break
it
down.
E
They're,
essentially
two
areas:
two
broad
areas,
the
first
being
advanced
aesthetics,
which
include
services
and
procedures
like
chemical
appeals
and
micro,
needling
microdermabrasion,
and
then,
as
you
step
forward,
it
also
steps
into
an
area
that
some
states
refer
to
as
medical
aesthetics
or
master
aesthetics,
and
this
area
includes
the
use
of
these
advanced
devices,
and
this
is
the
area
where
the
legislation
does
intersect
with
the
medical
world,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
we
have
made
attempts
to
reach
out
to
medical
to
the
medical
professionals
and
work
with
them
on
this.
E
Some
of
those
attempts
have
been
unresponded
to,
and
so
we've
moved
forward
with
preparing
this
legislation,
looking
at
best
practices
in
other
states
like
washington
and
oregon
and
virginia
washington
dc
and
put
this
together.
We
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
this
acknowledges
the
need
for
medical
professionals
to
be
involved
in
this
when
these
advanced
tech
procedures
involving
the
use
of
these
devices
are
taking
place.
We
need
to
have
some
sort
of
medical
supervision
and
oversight,
and
this
is
not
necessarily
happening
happening
in
the
state.
What
this
legislation
does
is
it.
E
Should
the
need
arise
and
that's
an
important
piece
that
again
in
the
state
is
not
necessarily
in
practice,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
finally
formalize
what
should
be
a
proper
and
necessary
supervision
oversight
from
medical
professionals
where
this
is
working
where
this
advanced
license
license
is
working.
E
E
If
that
technician,
who
goes
into
the
room
performs
a
procedure
is
not
properly
trained
to
observe
the
clinical
endpoints
to
observe
any
complications
and
problems.
Significant
damage
can
be
done
to
the
patient.
So
that's
why
training,
formalized
training,
a
formalized
credential
around
the
actual
technician
is
a
really
important
step,
and
I
want
to
also
be
clear
that
one
major
component
of
this
legislation
that
really
effectively
excites
us
the
most
is
this
opportunity
to
create
a
formal
credential,
a
formal
license
around
the
actual
performance
of
these
services.
E
This
is
a
license
that
women
are
interested
in
obtaining,
and
this
is
a
this
is
the
license
that
actually
leads
to
not
just
jobs
but
careers,
jobs
in
careers
in
medical
offices
in
laser
centers,
medical
spas,
and
I
want
to
also
point
out
that,
with
the
1200
hour
requirement,
this
master
esthetician
license
would
allow
again
particularly
women,
who
gravitate
to
this
to
transfer
their
license
to
any
other
state
and
operate
with
the
same
license,
and
that's
really
important
for
a
lot
of
our
students
move
out
of
state
and
their
their
military
spouses,
and
they
have
the
ability
to
go
to
other
states
that
recognize
this
license
or
even
if
the
our
requirements
are
lower
in
other
states,
this
nevada
license
would
transfer
to
every
other
state.
E
That's
a
really
important
part
of
this
and
allows
many
again
who
are
women
to
find
credentialing
a
formal
training,
formal
license
that
provides
them
access
to
stable
jobs
with
benefits
and
provide
careers
for
themselves,
and
that's
a
major
component
of
this.
It
also
gives
the
industry
the
ability
to
invest
and
expand,
knowing
the
terms
knowing
the
rules
knowing
what's
required
to
in
it,
to
enable
business
owners
to
operate
safely
and
effectively.
E
So
this
is
something
where
we
look
forward
to
working
with
physicians,
despite
attempts
to
collaborate
early
on
we're
finally
hearing
from
them.
Now
that
they've
seen
this
language
and
we
really
relish
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
talk
about
their
concerns
work
together
with
them.
We
also
have
a
meeting
scheduled
with
the
rest
of
the
school
owners
that
are
interested
in
this
area
and
we're
seeking
their
collaboration.
We
really
look
forward
to
to
working
with
as
many
individuals
as
possible
to
get
this
right
for
the
state
of
utah.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
matt
with
that,
madam
chair
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions
from
the
committee.
A
Thank
you
and
I
see
two
hands
up
and
if
you're
happy
to
answer
questions,
they
will
make
you
ecstatic
so
we'll
start
with
senator
pickard.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
that.
I,
you
know
I've
got
to
say
number
one.
I
think
the
cosmetology
board
is
probably
the
best
run
board
of
all
the
boards
we
have
in
the
state
and,
generally
speaking,
I
know
if
this
is
something
they're
doing
they're
going
to
do
a
good
job
with
it.
F
I'm
also
a
little
surprised
at
how
much
attention
we
spend
on
cosmetic,
particularly
non-invasive
cosmetic
procedures.
I
mean
we
spent,
I
think,
three
quarters
of
an
hour
talking
about
washing
hair
the
other
day.
So
I
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
better
understanding
of
you
know,
particularly
after
the
testimony
that
you
know,
we've
got
people
all
over
the
country.
Apparently
doing
this
without
a
license.
F
Are
there
casual
art?
You
know,
I
don't
want
to
drop
into
hyperbole,
but
you
know:
are
there
lots
of
people
being
harmed
by
these
unlicensed
professionals
because
I
tend
to
resist
adding
yet
another
license
to
which
becomes
a
barrier
to
entry
for
people
that
want
to
earn
some
money?
This
sounds
like
it
might
justify
it,
but
can
you
explain
what
happens
if
somebody
doesn't
have
a
license
and
what
the
harm
is?
F
How
many
people
in
nevada
have
been
hurt
by
by
or
in
any
state,
have
been
hurt
by
these
unlicensed
practitioners,
and
why
should
we
put
up
a
barrier
which
acts
as
a
a
limitation
to
yet
another
avenue
of
income.
C
I'll
start
with
that,
thank
you
senator
pickard,
and
then
maybe
matt
can
finish
up
so
this.
The
reason
for
this
license
is
because,
as
the
industry
has
evolved,
people
are
doing
more
advanced
procedures,
and
so
this
license
are
for
people
that
are
going
to
excise,
vaporize,
disintegrate
or
remove
living
tissue,
and
so,
as
it's
evolved
to
those
kinds
of
things,
I
think
that
more
training
is
applicable
and
with
the
more
training
you
get
a
higher
level
license
and
matt.
E
Yeah
great
question:
senator
picker:
this
is
you're
right,
deregulation
is
happening.
It's
cosmetology
is
definitely
not
immune
to
this
in
other
states
where
we
operate,
they
are
by
and
large,
passing
on
deregulating
this.
This
license
master
aesthetics
because
of
the
nature
of
the
license
where
the
individuals
who
are
receiving
this
license
are
learning
how
to
use
chemicals,
fda,
regulated
medical
devices,
and
these
are
substantive
procedures
that
they
are
performing
where
there
is
real
opportunity
for
harm,
and
I
you
asked
a
question
about
insight
into.
E
E
I
can
tell
you,
because
we
operate
in
multiple
states,
that
the
insurance
rates
we
pay
for
operating
in
the
state
of
nevada
are
higher
per
procedure,
and
I
am
told
anecdotally,
on
the
back
end,
that
has
through
the
fact
that
it
is
unlicensed,
and
they
are
telling
me
anecdotally
that
it
does
have
to
be
the
fact
that
there
are
litigious
matters
that
are
costing
insurance
companies
money,
and
we
have
to
believe
that
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
operators
of
these
devices
are
unlicensed
and
sometimes
not
trained,
and
there
is
no
one
agency
that
can
actually
speak
to
this
because
they
do
not
have
any
oversight.
E
So,
yes,
we
believe
that
there
are
issues.
There
are
problems.
We
just
wouldn't
know
what
they
are
and
to
again
speak
to
the
the
the
devices
themselves
and
fda
regulated
highly
effective,
and
that's
the
other
piece
of
this.
If
the
technicians
are
not
properly
trained
and
don't
understand
the
technologies
available,
consumers
aren't
getting
very
good
treatments
effectively.
E
That's
another
point:
when
the
the
actual
operator
is
trained
not
only
in
the
devices
but
also
in
the
other,
aesthetic
procedures
and
that's
why
building
a
base
on
top
of
the
basic
aesthetics
license
makes
sense,
because
those
are
all
the
building
blocks
to
get
to
the
higher
services.
The
consumer
gets
a
better
treatment.
E
This
consumer
gets
a
more
effective
treatment
and
it
also
builds
education
and
awareness
not
only
what's
here
today,
but
this
is
a
massively
expanding,
rapidly
expanding
field
where
we're
talking
about
all
kinds
of
really
interesting
energies,
lasers,
lights,
radio,
frequency,
ultrasound,
freezing
technologies,
sound
technologies,
microwave
and
the
future.
Here
is
bright,
very
bright
and
exciting,
and
this
is
a
great
time
for
the
state
of
nevada
to
step
up
start
training
in
the
basics,
start
training
in
the
fundamentals
so
that
we
can
expand
with
the
new
technologies
all
right.
F
Thank
you
for
that,
mr
britton,
that
that
leads
then
to
two
follow-ups
if
I
may,
and
that
has
to
do
with
training
and
supervision,
the
training
requirement
here
is
500
hours.
If
you
already
have,
I
presume,
if
you
already
have
a
instructor
license,
700
hours,
if
you're
a
student
instructor.
F
But
we
require,
in
fact,
we
raised
from
a
thousand
to
fifteen
hundred
hours
for
addiction,
counselors
and,
and
they
don't
do
anything
that
would
physically
harm
the
body.
F
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
you
know
really
enough
and
then
reading
the
opposition
letter
from
the
dermatologist.
They
think
a
dermatologist
should
be
supervising
not
a
pa
or
a
a
lpn,
and
you
know
what
you're
describing
if
this
equipment
really
is
as
dangerous
as
it
sounds.
Maybe
they
have
a
point.
Maybe
we
should
be
supervising
with
people
who
are
a
little
better
trained
themselves?
E
Yes
again,
thank
you
excellent
questions
again,
senator
pinkert,
first
of
all
that
so
the
training
requirements
are
a
total
of
1200
hours,
and
that
equates
to
about
eight
months,
full-time
schooling
and,
and
that
is
600
hours
for
the
basic
and
then
600
hours.
On
top
of
that,
if
a
student
wants
to
come
back
and
come
back
to
school
after
having
the
basic
license,
it's
an
additional
750
hours
and
you
are
right.
It
is
hard
to
cover
everything,
but
in
in
that
time
we
have
felt
because
we've
done
this
for
a
decade
in
other
states.
E
This
is
a
sufficient
time
to
be
competent
to
learn
what
what's
needed
to
to
be
competently
operating
these
devices
under
the
appropriate
supervision.
E
And
if,
if
a
student,
there's
a
grandfathering
clause
in
the
legislation
that
would
allow
an
existing
licensee
for
a
period
of
two
years
to
come
to
a
a
75-hour
training
course,
but
they
would
already
need
to
have
certain
time
practicing
as
an
esthetician.
These
are
all
things
we'd
love
to
address,
but
we've
found
in
other
states
have
found.
This
is,
this
is
working
in
states
like
utah
washington,
oregon
virginia
washington
dc,
and
we
are
also
aware
that
you
know
we
really
want
to
keep
the
hour
requirements
and
the
debt
load
down.
E
We
just
feel
like
this.
1200
hours
has
been
affected
and
addressing
the
feedback
from
the
dermatologist.
We
love
it.
We
would
love
to
get
to
sit
down
at
the
table
and
talk
about
this,
something
we've
done
in
other
states
very
effectively,
and
we
want
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
We've
come
at
this
legislation
without
feedback
from
them
on
the
front
end,
despite
the
fact
that
we
wanted
it
now
we're
getting
this
feedback,
and
it's
great
it's
a
great
thing.
We
relish
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
them.
E
We've
come
at
this
legislation
already
drawing
some
boundaries
already
recognizing
the
medical
world
needs
to
be
involved
and
the
boundaries
we
have
drawn
has
put
a
line
at
what's
called
an
ablative
aesthetic
medical
procedure
in
the
legislation
and
that's
where
the
devices
become
strong
enough
powerful
enough
to
do
you
know
more
harm,
and
so
those
that's
a
boundary
that
has
been
drawn
where,
where
a
master
esthetician
could
not
cross
and
and
that's
important,
most
states
are
doing
that,
so
that
boundary
has
been
drawn
with
ablative,
aesthetic
medical
devices
and
then
below
that
with
the
non-ablative
devices.
E
That's
where
the
opportunities
are
with
the
proper
training,
proper
licensing,
the
proper
supervision
we
are
seeing.
Millions
of
these
treatments
performed
in
these
states
every
year
safely
and
effectively,
and
also
this
legislation
does
call
out
for
certain
procedures,
even
non-ablative
procedures,
where
a
medical,
professional,
mddopa
np
would
need
to
perform
a
screening
consultation
on
the
front
end.
It's
important
where
the
living
tissue
is
altered
is
the
term
of
art
in
the
legislation.
E
So
again,
we
are
trying
to
be
we're
trying
to
recognize
and
actually
be
really
smart
about
what
these
procedures
are
and
where
it's
needed,
we've
drawn
a
boundary
that
master
aestheticians
cannot
cross
and
where
it's
needed.
We're
bringing
these
medical
professionals
into
these
locations
physically
into
these
locations,
bringing
them
into
the
patient
interactions
on
the
front
end
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
careful
and
safe.
F
So
it
sounds
like
we
would
add
another
barrier
to
them.
Although
that's
probably
a
good
thing,
I'm
not
saying
that.
That's
a
pejorative
thing,
but
I
I'm
just
I'm
a
little
concerned
because
it
sounds
like
we
don't
have
any
data
suggesting
that
people
are
actually
being
harmed
by
these
things
in
any
significant
numbers,
which
makes
me
question
whether
or
not
we
need
a
license
for
this.
F
Maybe
regulatory
rules
or
limitations
on
existing
licensees
might
be
enough,
but
I
see
where
you're
going,
I'm
not
completely
antagonistic
to
the
idea,
particularly
since
we've
got
other
licensees
in
other
states
and
and
transporting
that
license
might
be
important.
I'm
going
to
need
to
study
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
appreciate
your
responses
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
You,
madam
chair,
so
well
a
couple
questions.
I
have
a
question
on
section
20..
If
you
go
to
section
20
line
17
sub
c,
it
doesn't
say
that
they
should
have
a
high
school
diploma.
It
just
says
that
they
should
have
completed
12th
grade
or
it's
equivalent.
So
help
me
understand
that
and
then
I
have
a
question
on
another
on
section,
21
and
22.
E
Matt
brinton
nema,
if
I
could
address
that,
that
is
existing
language
that
is
used
for
all
licensing
within
cosmetology
that,
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
it
is
a
high
school
diploma
or
ged
or
some
sort
of
equivalent,
but
that's
something
I
can
check
into
or
or
the
board
itself
could
address
in
more
detail.
G
Okay
and
then
my
second
question
from
section
21
is
the
language
relating
to
which
is
you
discuss
this
healthcare
screening
that's
going
on,
and
so
what
I
was
wondering
for
this
section
is
how
many
nurses
specialize
in
what
a
dermatologist
goes
to
medical
school
for
and
how
many
pas
are
out
there,
who
have
the
specialty
that
a
dermatologist
has
in
order
to
properly
be
screening.
In
this
scenario,
and
in
section
21.
E
Yes,
senator
neil
a
great
question,
so
that
is,
that
is
a
great
question
that
we
love
to
discuss
with
the
physicians
and,
what's
working
in
other
states
is
drawing
this
boundary
where
they
are
allowing
these
mid-level
professionals
to
perform
these
screenings,
because,
with
an
understanding
of
medical
information,
understanding
of
medical
charting
the
questions
being
asked,
those
professionals
can
be
trained
to
properly
screen
for
the
necessary
contraindications
to
effectively
screen
out
and
what's
important.
Is
these
professionals
know
what
they
don't
know
as
well?
E
And
if
there
are
skin
conditions
where
a
dermatologist
will
be
needed
to
consult,
then
that
is
happening.
That
is
something
we
could
work
into
the
legislation,
some
formal
provision
there,
but
mid-level
professionals
are
already
doing
this
in
their
practice.
Anyway,
they
require
some
level
of
supervision,
some
affiliation
with
physicians-
and
we
see
this
working
in
other
states
where
they
know
what
they
know.
They
can
be
trained
to
do
an
effective
job
in
these
consultations,
and
they
know
they
don't
know,
and
they
can
refer
to
dermatologists
where
that
would
be
needed
in
that
pre-screening
treatment.
G
It
is
from
the
lines
30
through
32,
so
this
is
the
the
correct
for
a
master
esthetician
and
so
what
it
it
literally
says,
and
the
use
of
an
automated
external
defibrillator,
and
I
think
what
raises
the
concern
for
me
is
I
get
cpr
right,
but
you're
you're
extending
beyond
that
in
terms
of
a
skill
set
that
the
proper
use
of,
because
I'm
assuming
a
defibrillator,
is
exactly
what
I
think
it
is.
You
think
that
there
is
a
cardiac
arrest
you're
getting
ready
to
place.
E
Yeah
ma'am,
I
share
great
feedback
as
well,
and
this
is
standard
training
language
that
has
been
drawn
from
other
states.
There
are
some
standard
master,
aesthetic
training,
curricula
that
a
number
of
companies
have
developed,
and
this
is
standard
language
standard
training
that
has
been
drawn
from
that.
But
yes,
I
believe
that
is
exactly
what
it's
talking
about
where
training
in
these
modalities,
including
cpr,
is
a
an
important
piece
of
this,
and
some
of
these
medical
spas.
G
So,
but
are
we
suggesting
that
they
actually
use
it,
because
that
I
have
a
super
problem
with
whether
they
get
the
training
or
not?
They
are
not
a
doctor.
G
They
will
never
be
a
doctor,
even
if
they
do
2
200
hours,
they
won't
be,
and
so
I
really
want
to
try
to
understand
that,
because
you
know
you
have
you
have
in
that
section,
you
have
the
defibrillator
and
then
you
also
have
trying
to
er
understand
what
an
autoimmune
disease
is,
and
that
is
a
little
bit
more
specialized
to
me
and
a
nurse
may
not
be
able
to
really,
I
think,
really
deal
with
what
could
be
an
underlying
condition
there,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
super
understanding.
G
E
Yes,
thank
you
again,
matt
brent
and
nima.
We
really
look
forward
to
sitting
down
with
the
dermatologist
to
go
through
this
with
the
physicians
to
talk
about
this
and
address
if
they
have
concerns
in
this
area.
This
is
this.
These
are
definitely
items
that
are
up
for
discussion
and
revision
if
necessary,.
G
H
E
I
Salman,
thank
you,
madam
president.
Obviously
this
is
complicated.
I
mean
from
a
medical
standpoint,
I'm
looking
at
lasers
and
age
spots
versus
melanomas
and
seborrheic
keratoses
versus
squamous
cells.
I
So,
and
then
I
read
in
section
one:
I
didn't
get
any
further
than
section
one
before
a
red
flag
went
up
the
health
care
professional,
that's
defined
in
nrs,
453c,
.050
or
.030
is
a
physician,
a
physician
assistant
or
advanced
practice
registered
nurse,
so
the
advanced
practice
registered
nurse
can
have
autonomy.
I
The
physician
assistant
at
this
point
is
still
under
the
supervision
of
a
physician,
so
the
physician
assistant
who's
going
to
supervise
this
is
supervised
by
a
physician,
and
so
there
there's
a
chain
of
command
or
responsibility
there
and
the
advanced
practice.
Nurse
practitioner-
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
it
but
nurses
heretofore,
have
not
real,
really
been
anxious
to
be
supervised
by
a
physician
assistant
and
so
from
a
logistics
standpoint.
That's
a
challenge.
I
So
from
my
medical
standpoint,
I
would
be
willing
to
be
in
a
room
where
this
discussion
took
place
between
doctors
and
physician,
assistants
and
nurses.
I've
already
made
everybody
upset
and
in
one
way
or
another
in
all
of
those
groups,
but
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be
literally
a
room
where
this
can
be
vetted
out
and
done,
because
there
are
some
challenges
with
this
and
while
I'm
at
it
it's
my
understanding-
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
digest
this
as
much
as
I
would
like.
I
E
Yes,
thank
you,
matt
brenton
nema.
Thank
you
senator
hardy,
yes,
great
questions.
Again,
we
look
forward
to
sitting
down
with
the
physicians.
It's
it's
taken,
seeing
this
language
to
get
them
to
come
to
the
table,
but
we
we
really
look
forward
to
that
opportunity
to
talk
about
their
concerns
if
there
are
any
around
the
individual
practitioners
and
the
levels.
The
mid-level
practitioners
regarding
the
terms
so
cosmetology
is
the
broad
umbrella
that
covers
all
of
this
I
mean
years
and
years
ago.
E
Cosmetology
was
the
only
license
and
slowly
it
has
been
segmented,
where
practitioners
can
specialize
in
in
cutting
hair
and
barbering
in
aesthetics
and
nails,
and
so
yes,
the
aesthetics,
an
esthetician
master
aesthetician,
would
fall
under
the
broad
umbrella
of
cosmetology,
but
a
student
that
goes
to
school
for
600
hours
to
earn
the
aesthetic
license
as
an
aesthetician
and
the
1200
hours
for
a
master.
Aesthetic
license
is
a
master
esthetician.
I
I
If
I
could
just
clarify
that
is
every
one
of
these
people,
they're
going
to
be
a
master
esthetician,
have
a
cosmetology
license,
that's
not
limited
to
nails
or
shampooing
hair.
Do
they
have
the
license
that
includes
everything?
E
So
matt
brenson
nema,
no,
so
a
a
a
student
who'd
go
to
school.
To
earn
the
aesthetic
or
master
aesthetic
license
would
earn
only
those
licenses
and
would
not
be
able
to
work
on
nails
or
cut
hair.
It's
a
it's
a
specialized
license
that
deals
with.
A
Thank
you,
senator
scheible.
J
B
J
The
aed,
so
I
think
that
there
are
people
who
train
in
both
of
them
and
it
is
possible
to
get
certified
to
use
the
aed
even
without
being
a
medical
professional
and
also,
if
you
ever,
have
the
need
for
a
someone
to
operate.
An
aed.
H
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
the
ability
to
ask
questions.
My
concern
is:
is
that
like
cons,
calling
someone
a
master
hesitation,
the
general
public's,
going
to
feel
these
individuals
have
the
ability,
I
think
it's
going
to
lead
people
to
believe
they
have
the
ability
to
diagnose
skin
conditions?
Where,
to
my
knowledge,
they
don't
have
that
ability.
They
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
screenings.
H
E
Thank
you
senator
settlemyre,
yes
great
question
and
that
of
course
recognizes
the
fact
that
currently,
in
the
state
of
nevada,
no
license,
no
training
is
necessarily
required
to
operate
these
devices,
and
this
is
an
attempt
to
bring
a
level
of
training
to
what
is
already
happening
and,
in
the
course
of
study,
building
on
what
is
the
basic
esthetician
curriculum,
where
they,
the
students,
are
already
learning
about
the
skin
and
skin
anatomy
and
skin
conditions,
and
how
to
recognize
various
skin
conditions
to
even
perform
facials
and
to
wax
that
education
starts
at
the
beginning.
E
This
would
build
on
that
and
you
are
right.
That's
really
good
feedback,
because
these
are
intersections
with
a
medical
world
and
it
is
important.
That's
why
the
training
is
that
much
more
important
and
most
of
the
training
involves
trying
to
recognize
when
you
need
additional
assistance
with
these
items
and
a
lot
of
that
comes
from
what
I
already
mentioned,
the
the
type
of
device
being
used.
So
these
ablative
devices
are
outside
the
scope
of
this
license,
and
these
ablative
devices
are
where
you
would
really
get
into
trouble
with
a
pre-existing
condition.
E
Like
using
an
ablative
device
to
go
over
top
of
a
cancerous
lesion,
that
could
be
a
problem
and
that's
why
we
feel
it's
important
to
draw
that
boundary
right
now
in
the
state
of
nevada.
No
license
is
required
to
perform
an
ablative
procedure
with
these
devices,
no
supervision
is
necessarily
needed.
So
we
we
have
a
problem
you're
highlighting
the
problem,
exactly
we're
trying
to
bring
a
measure
of
training
and
credentialing
around
it,
so
that
we
do
have
some
training
to
know.
Essentially
what
we
don't
know
and
that's
that's
being
able
to
figure
out
okay.
E
E
Using
intense
pulse
light,
an
ipl
device
that
is
a
less
aggressive
device,
but
what
this
legislation
calls
for
is
a
screening
with
that
type
of
device
where
a
mid-level,
professional
or
a
physician
could
then
have
the
higher
training
needed
to
identify
potential
contradictions
and
know
how
to
screen
how
to
potentially
refer
to
a
more
experienced
practitioner
like
a
dermatologist,
so
that
this?
That
is,
the
nuance
in
this
bill,
that
we
we're
trying
to
create
legislation
that
opens
the
doors
to
this
opportunity
for
training
yet
train
these
individuals.
E
In
that
1200
hour
course
of
study,
we
have
found
successfully
in
multiple
states
that
that
is
sufficient
time
to
train
and
how
to
use
these
devices
training
how
to
recognize
enough
of
the
pre
of
the
skin
issues
to
know
when
help
is
needed
when
a
referral
is
needed
and
then
for
these
devices
that
are
more
innocuous
and
not
quite
as
strong.
That's
where
the
contraindications,
where
there
are
lasting
problems,
are
less
likely,
and
these
are
the
the
the
less
invasive
typically
non-laser
devices
that
can
be
operated
successfully.
Independent
of
a
face-to-face
pre-treatment.
H
I
appreciate
that
discussion.
You
indicated
that
I
brought
forth
the
need
for
the
legislation,
but
in
that
respect,
what
data
is
out
there?
What
information
do
you
have?
How
many
problems
were
reported
or
you
know,
were
verified?
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
have
a
problem,
you
know
where
they
say
that
potentially,
like
the
cosmetology
that
you
know,
the
person
did
wrong
and
their
hair,
you
know
got
super
heated
because
they
didn't
do
the
dye
job
correctly.
H
Some
of
that
nature,
so
there
are
people
that
complain,
but
you
know
how
many
verified
cases,
how
many
proof
that
we
actually
have
a
problem
within
this
field
have
occurred
in
in
the
states
that
have
passed
this
legislation.
What
type
of
reduction
did
they
see
between
proven
problems
and
by
having
the
legislation
go
into
effect?
Whatever
reduction
have
they
seen.
E
Great
great
question:
matt
brinton
nima
again
without
any
regulatory
supervision
or
oversight.
I
think
it
would
be
hard
for
the
state
of
nevada
to
put
their
finger
on
that
number.
E
There's
anecdotal
evidence,
like
I
can
say
from
our
actual
operations
that
it
is
more
expensive
for
us
to
operate
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
I'm
told
that
is
because
of
the
fact
that
the
these
treatments
are
there's
no
license
required
and
no
training
required
and-
and
and
that's
all
I
can
say
about
nevada-
I,
it
would
be
great
to
have
an
agency
that
actually
oversaw
this
and
could
have
regulatory
insight
and
would
know
about
the
problems
but
having
practiced
in
this
industry,
for
we
also
own
medical
spas
for
17
years.
E
We
can
tell
you
that
training
licensing
is
a
critical
part
of
an
effective
treatment,
not
just
for
problems
and
complications,
but
also
for
giving
consumers
a
beneficial
treatment
that
they're
paying
a
lot
of
money
for
so
this
is.
This
is
not
just
about
consumer
safety.
That
is
a
huge
part
of
it,
but
it's
also
about
the
opportunity
to
grow
this
industry,
to
educate
the
practitioners
and
also
to
create
meaningful
jobs
and
meaning
a
lot.
Meaningful
licensing
allows
those
practitioners
to
transfer
to
other
states
that
actually
mean
something
on
a
resume.
H
H
That,
I
guess
I
just
look
at
the
viewpoint
of
the
government-
is
to
protect
the
people
and
that's
primarily
to
me
what
the
job
the
government
should
be
not
trying
to
get
involved
in
business
business
has
a
great
way
of
dealing
with
itself.
In
fact,
most
businesses
thrive
if
only
government
would
get
out
of
the
way.
A
Additional
questions
committee
members,
thank
you.
So
I
have
just
a
couple
of
couple
of
questions
and
I
guess
I
will.
I
will
start
where
my
colleague
just
ended
with
respect
to
some
of
the
regulations,
and
maybe
I
will
I
will
use
an
equivocation
of
one
of
the
cars
american-made
cars
about
20
years
ago,
had
a
problem
with
the
way
that
the
gas
tank
was
designed
on
the
car.
A
A
We.
This
is
happening
already
in
nevada.
Yes,
they're
estheticians!
Yes,
do
we
know
what
type
of
training
they
receive.
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
here's
my
question
and
so
far
I
have
not
heard
anyone
mention
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
benefits
combat
veterans
or
veterans
in
general,
and
I
was
just
on
the
internet
looking
up
some
things,
and
this
appears
to
be
one
of
those
careers
that
you
can
use
your
gi
bill
for
yeah,
unlike
unlike
barber
school,
where,
right
now,
you
can't
use
your
gi
bill.
A
So
the
training
for
a
an
aesthetician
is
how
much?
What
are
we
looking
at
in
terms
of
cost.
E
A
So
I
heard
you
heard
you
mentioned
something
that
the
the
license
are
portable.
So
does
that
mean
that,
right
now,
anyone
who
is
an
esthetician
in
nevada
without
some
type
of
regulation
can
go
to
another
state
military
spouse
and
go
to
another
state
and
immediately
start
practicing
or
would
they
need
some
type
of
training.
E
Correct
madam
chair
matt,
brenton
nema,
you
are
correct,
so
the
students
that
we
train
and
have
trained
in
other
states,
washington
and
utah
we
have
seen
transfer
licenses
to.
I
think
the
count
is
37
other
states
now
that
wouldn't
necessarily
equate
to
a
master
esthetician
license
where
that
state
does
not
recognize
that
level,
but
where
the
state
does,
we
are
not
aware
of
any
state
where
a
1200
hour
license
does
not
transfer.
A
A
Other
physical
wounds
that
and
it's
it's
a
first
step,
but
it's
not
the
only
step
so,
and
maybe
this
a
question
may
be
better
asked
of
senator
lang.
Has
there
have
you
considered
what,
if
passing
this
legislation,
to
make
sure
that
the
training
the
proper
training
is
there?
Is
there
any
way
that
we
might
be
able
to
work
with
the
veterans
administration
in
terms
of
helping
to
provide?
A
There
are
a
number
of
areas
that
are
seeking
trained,
estheticians
to
work
with
military
personnel,
as
well
as
people
who
are
in
chemo,
there
was
a
there
was
an
opportunity
for
a
world
war
ii
veteran.
A
I
think
it
was
who
had
some
facial
scars
from
world
war
ii
and
advanced
in
age,
but
really
was
trying
to
see
if
there
was
anything
that
could
be
done
to
help
not
cosmetically,
although
that
would
have
helped,
but
whether
or
not
that
would
have
helped
the
face
that
had
been
disfigured
by
some
of
the
events
that
happened
to
him
in
combat,
and
so
they
did
that
have
we
looked
at
how
this
might
because
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
happens
when
you
begin
to
regulate
an
industry
is
that
it
provides
more
opportunities
for
collaboration
with
places
that
already
are
known
for
having
the
reputation
of
providing
quality
service.
A
If
we
do
this,
is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
then
collaborate
with
veterans,
hospitals,
veterans,
clinics,
one
of
the
things
that
happened
all
too
often
now,
because
there
are
so
many
veterans
who
need
services
with
the
health
care
services,
mental
health
care
services
is
they
have
the
veterans?
Administration
has
something
called
the
community
network,
and
so,
if
you
can't
get
treated
at
the
va
hospital,
then
there
are
people
that
they
are
working
with
outside
of
the
hospital.
A
So
this
is
a
long
way
to
ask
my
answer
my
question,
but
I'm
really
asking
what
does
this
mean
for
opportunities
to
collaborate
for
the
benefit
of
veterans
and
even
veteran
spouses,
and
I'm
thinking
specifically
about
people
who
who
come
back
from
combat
because
their
their
injuries
are
severe?
We're
we're
and
I
don't
want
to
say
to
minimize
it,
but
but
many
times
we
we
we're
aware
of
the
loss
of
limb
and
we
are
aware
of
loss
of
loss
of
sight.
A
But
many
of
the
things
that
we
are
not
aware
of
is
what
does
that
look
like
what
does
some
type
of
burn
or
chemical
interaction
or
whatever
in
combat?
What
does
that
mean
for
veterans
and
then
trying
to
trying
to
make
sure
that
that
the
person
who
has
stood
up
for
freedom
for
us,
that
we
stand
up
and
do
all
that
we
can
to
try
to
make
them
whole
again
for
life.
C
Thank
you
senator
chair
spearman,
and
I
appreciate
your
comments.
I
think
that
the
industry
would
do
everything
they
could
to
integrate
and
to
support
veterans
that
come
back
from
combat
and
need
the
services
provided
by
the
industry.
E
For
the
comment,
mr
yes,
thank
thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
something
where
you
can
really
ignite
a
lot
of
passion.
In
me,
this
is
my
favorite
thing
to
talk
about
students
who
graduate
with
this
training
are
being
hired
by
everything
from
chemotherapy
practices,
plastic
surgery,
practices
in
va,
hospitals,
dealing
with
trauma
associated
with
all
kinds
of
different
events
in
life,
and
yes,
plastic,
surgeons
and
dermatologists
are
on
the
front
lines
and,
and
they
are
doing
exceptional
work.
E
But
there
is
a
huge
opportunity
under
and
away
from
the
scalpels
to
provide
amazingly
effective
procedures
that
oftentimes
take
a
series
of
treatments,
even
tattoo
revision
and
tattoo
removal.
Those
kinds
of
procedures
are
effectively
being
performed
all
over.
The
u.s
and
states
that
recognize
this
license,
or
some
states
simply
have
laser
technician.
E
Training
licenses,
where
these
technicians,
including
our
graduates,
we
know,
are
performing
these
meaningful
procedures
that
mean
everything
to
people
who
experience
these
kinds
of
traumatic
events
and
again,
when
properly
trained
and
properly
supervised,
they're
highly
effective,
and
I
would
just
love
to
point
out
too,
that
we
love
the
state
of
nevada,
because
the
state
of
nevada
is
a
destination
state.
E
The
state
of
nevada
has
done
an
exceptional
job
with
the
conventions
and
and
medical
tourism
is
a
huge
industry,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
for
the
state
of
nevada
to
also
step
up
and
create
a
licensing
opportunity
where
I
am
very
confident.
Other
states
will
see
this
and
it
will
continue
to
be
a
a
tourism
destination
where
outside
students
will
look
to
the
state
to
come
here,
to
receive
meaningful
training
and
a
meaningful
credential,
a
meaningful
license
that
can
transfer
to
other
states.
E
That
is
why
we're
really
excited
about
the
opportunity
in
this
state
to
not
just
see
it
in
washington
and
oregon
and
utah
and
technician
licenses
in
arizona
and
texas,
esthetician
master
esthetician
licenses
in
washington
dc
virginia
minnesota.
Iowa,
mississippi,
nevada
is
a
state.
It's
a
destination
state
and
we're
confident
it
will
attract
students
from
other
states
to
come
here
for
the
training.
A
Thank
you,
so
the
training
costs,
I
think
you
said
1415,
maybe
16k.
What
type
of
financial
aid
opportunities
are
available
for
students
who
are
not
veterans
and
do
not
have
access
to
the
gi
bill.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
matt,
brent
and
nima.
Yes,
so
schools
that
decide
to
become
accredited
with
an
accreditation
agency
have
access
to
department
of
education
funding,
so
pell
grants
gi
bill.
Any
kind
of
federal
loan
like
any
university
would
receive
students
that
attend
an
accredited
school.
Have
access
to
those
funds
like
us
like
a
student
attending
any
university
like
unlv,
would
have
access
to.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
the
last
question
in
broadcast:
let's
get
ready
to
go
to
the
phones,
the
thing
that
concerns
me
about
something
of
this
nature
happening
in
nevada
and
it's
unregulated
draws
me
back
to
several
stories
that
we
heard
in
2020
about
a
particular
airplane
that
had
some
design
defaults
and
cost
thousands
of
people
their
lives
and,
prior
to
the
first
plane
going
down.
A
Most
of
us
had
no
idea
of
those
design
defaults,
so
the
planes
were
flying
and
then
once
the
first
plane
went
down
and
then
another
plane
went
down,
and
so
those
families
are
still
grieving
because
we
did
not
have
the
type
of
regulation
that
we
needed
in
place.
Government
regulation
that
we
needed
in
place
to
make
sure
that
people's
lives
were
saved.
A
My
concern-
and
all
of
this
is
if
we
are
doing
this
already,
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
and
and
of
course,
you
know,
someone
getting
a
scarring
or
something
like
that-
maybe
cosmetic
is
not
as
as
not
as
deep
as
someone
losing
their
life,
but
if
we're
doing
this
already,
if
this
is
happening
in
nevada
already,
I
want
to
know
that
whatever
the
glitches
are-
and
there
have
been
some
really
good
questions
from
the
committee
members
I'd
like
to
know
if
there
is
any
way
whatsoever
that
we
can
work
through
whatever
that
is
to
make
this
build
better.
A
Not
only
for
the
safety
of
all
nevadans,
but
I
have
in
my
office,
I
have
a
piece
of
the
pentagon
where
the
plane
hit
it,
and
one
of
my
team
members
is
one
of
the
people
standing
at
the
top
of
the
pentagon
where
they
unfurl
the
flag,
and
I
look
at
that
all
the
time
and
that's
what
brings
me
back
to
everything
that
we
look
at?
What
does
this
do
for
veterans?
What
does
this
do
for
combat
veterans,
because
I
cannot
forget
what
they
have
already
done
for
us.
A
How
do
we
work
with
this
legislation
to
to
improve
it
so
that
this
would
be?
This
could
be
a
stepping
stone
and
I'm
mindful
of
the
fact
that
one
of
my
colleagues
brought
a
bill
a
couple
of
sessions
ago
about
dental
therapy
and
the
whole
dental
industry
came
against
it
and
when
I
go
to
the
va
hospital,
they
have
dental
therapists
at
the
va.
A
But
that's
not
something
that's
afforded
to
the
civilian
comp
civilian
population
here
in
nevada,
because
we
don't
have
that
intermediate
step.
So
I'd
like
to
know
that
and
broadcast,
let's
go
to
the
phones.
Now
we'll
start
off.
First
of
all,
with
those
who
are
in
support-
and
we
will
have
15
minutes
and
three
minutes
per
individual.
B
A
B
B
D
Good
morning
spearman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
jaren
hildebrand
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
medical
association
comprised
of
nearly
2
000
physician
members
statewide.
However,
we
consider
ourselves,
first
and
foremost,
a
patient
advocacy
organization
today
here
today
in
opposition
of
291,
based
largely
on
public
health
and
safety
concerns.
Firstly,
we'd
like
to
thank
senator
lang
for
her
time
in
discussing
this
bill
with
myself
and
our
concerned
members.
We
know
her,
we
know
how
hard
she
works
and
we
appreciate
all
of
her
efforts
on
this
bill.
D
I'll
briefly
share
with
the
committee
some
of
our
concerns
that
we
brought
to
the
bill
sponsor
that
this
is
not
an
access
to
care
issue
for
these
types
of
procedures.
We
believe
this
bill
is
bringing
a
solution
where
there
is
no
problem
again.
There
is
not
a
shortage
of
providers
who
are
adequately
trained
to
provide
these
services.
D
These
are
not
generally
mandatory
services
that
are
recovered
by
insurance,
so
they're
optional.
In
the
event,
if
something
does
go
wrong,
the
patient
is
almost
entirely
on
the
hook.
That's
why
we
believe
it
is
up
to
the
body
of
this
legislature
to
ensure
meaningful
protections
are
put
in
place
prior
to
a
patient
walking
in
for
these
services.
D
D
D
This
does
not
improve
patient
safety
and
I
would
argue
it
could
threaten
patient
safety
by
teaching
more
evasive
and
dangerous
techniques
where
the
recipients
of
this
certification
will
work
on
their
own
nearly
unsupervised.
There
is
no
comparable
designation
for
other
boards
master
and
jet
injector
status
is
given
by
manufacturers
of
fillers
and
toxins
they
have.
These
are
have
pr
and
social
media
advantages
for
self-promotion.
D
B
B
A
Thank
you
and
I
just
received
a
text
that
there
were
several
students
that
were
trying
to
call
in
support.
There
apparently
is
some
type
of
a
technical
glitch
and
they
can't
get
through.
So
we
will
go
to
those
in
neutral
and
broadcast.
Can
you
all
work
to
see
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
so?
Those
people
who
are
calling
and
support
will
be
able
to
get
through
and
we
can
get
their
their
comments
on
the
record.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
no
more
in
opposition,
let's
go
to
neutral
15
minutes
three
minutes
per.
Thank
you.
B
D
Yes,
my
name
is
gary
landry
g-a-r-y
l-a-n-d-r-y,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
board
of
cosmetology,
I'm
here
to
testify
as
neutral
on
this
bill
and
that's
the
way
we're
gonna.
That's
the
way
we're
gonna
testify
throughout
this
bill
as
we're.
We
don't
we're
not
for
it
not
against
it.
We're
neutral
and
we're
looking
for
the
legislation
to
legislators
to
give
us
direction
as
to
which
which
direction
to
go.
B
B
A
B
A
Support,
thank
you.
I'm
still
getting
a
text
that
there's
some
people
that
are
trying
to
get
through.
So
let's
give
it
a
couple
more
minutes
and
if
you're
trying
to
get
through
to
testify
and
support,
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
to
provide
us
written
testimony
and
we'll
make
sure
that
that
becomes
a
part
of
the
record.
But
let's
give
it
a
give
it
a
couple
more
minutes,
because
I
did
get
another
text
indicating
that
they're
still
trying
to
get
through.
A
E
E
So
thank
you
and
if
they're
unable
to
get
on
we'll
have
written
comments
submitted.
B
Sarah,
we
are
currently
working
to
talk
with
the
community
manager.
If
you're
willing
to
stand
by
for
a
few
more
minutes,
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
get
some
online.
A
Okay,
thank
you
because
I
was
just
informed
that
some
of
them
might
have
gotten
some
information,
so
I
think
that
it
was
going
to
be
on
yesterday
and
we
had
to
move
the
bill
forward
because
we
ran
out
of
time,
so
they
have
information
from
yesterday
that
may
not
be
applicable
for
today.
So
that
may
be.
That
may
be
the
problem.
A
A
A
C
E
For
these
students,
so
if
we
can
take
their
testimony.
A
Okay,
okay,
yeah.
We
can
do
that
and
I
will
apologize
up
front
to
the
students
who
were
ready
yesterday
and
we
had
to
move
forward.
I
try
to
make
sure
that
I
minimize
that,
but
yesterday
we
could
not
be
helped.
So
let's
do
that
we'll
go
on
back
to
senator
lane.
C
Thank
you,
tara,
spearman.
C
We
appreciate
the
comments
from
jared
that
came
in
and
we're
happy
to
work
with
any
party,
that's
interested
in
making
some
changes
to
this
bill.
We're
happy
to
have
those
conversations,
and
I
hope
that
you'll
reach
out
to
me
as
well
as
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Thank
you
and
one
thing
that
I
would
ask,
because
it
appears
that
the
the
term
master
quote
in
quote
is
causing
some
problems.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
statute,
but
but
we
have
several
other
professions
where
people
are
referred
to
as
master.
Can
you
take
a
look
and
see
how
that
is
defined
and
what
attributes
they
need
to
have
what
academic
attributes
they
need
to
have
in
order
to
have
that?
Have
that
title
first
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
a
physical
trainer,
physical
fitness
trainer.
A
So
let's,
let's
find
out
what
that
looks
like
and
let's
try
to
address
those
concerns.
Now,
because
we're
going
to
come
back
to
the
testimony
in
support,
I
will
suspend
this
hearing.
I
won't
close
it
out,
but
I'll
wait
until
we
get
those
comments
and
we'll
come
back
and
hear
them
and
then
I'll
close
out
this
hearing.
A
A
Okay,
sure,
and
so
with
that
said,
we
will
now
move
to
senate
bill.
Just
lost
my
place
here.
261.
it's
going
to
be
up
to
261.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman.
It's
always
great
to
be
here
with
the
committee
on
commerce
and
labor
and
good
morning,
chair
spearman
committee
members.
My
name
is
nicole
canizaro.
I
currently
serve
as
the
senator
representing
senate
district
6
in
the
northwest
portion
of
the
las
vegas
valley,
and
I
am
pleased
to
come
before
you
this
morning
to
introduce
to
you
senate
bill
number
260..
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
senate
bill
260,
which
proposes
to
expand
statutory
prohibitions
on
the
sale
of
certain
personally
identifiable
information
of
a
consumer
by
way
of
background
information
commonly,
and
I'm
sure
many
of
us
who
have
dealt
with
our
constituents
and
have
talked
to
them
about
some
of
the
issues
on
their
mind,
currently
express
a
lot
of
frustration
over
increased
number
of
sales
and
robo
calls
offering
different
services
or
products
related
to
searches
that
have
been
conducted
on
the
internet.
J
Likewise,
it
is
interesting
that,
of
course,
just
a
mention
of
a
product
nearby.
Your
cell
phone
may
result
in
targeted
ads
on
social
media.
These
situations
happen
because
a
person's
personal
information
that
we
think
is
protected
was
most
likely
sold
to
several
different
data
brokers,
data
brokers
or
companies
that
collect
a
person's
personal
information,
and
we
sell
it
to
other
companies
for
marketing
purposes.
J
These
data
brokers
do
not
have
a
direct
relationship
with
the
consumers
whose
data
they
have
collected.
So
most
people
are
not
even
aware
of
what
is
happening.
Unfortunately,
consumer
data
is,
of
course,
an
extremely
lucrative
industry.
According
to
techcrunch
data
brokering
is
a
200
billion
dollar
industry.
In
fact,
over
time
a
single
email
address
can
be
worth
an
average
of
89
and
more
than
double.
If
a
person
is
a
frequent
traveler,
because
it
is
such
a
lucrative
business,
there
are
over
4
000
data
and
information
broker
companies
worldwide.
J
Most
well-known
data
brokers
do
in
fact
offer
an
opt-out
option
for
people
to
remove
part
or
all
of
their
data
being
published,
while
others
may
hide
it
deep
in
their
privacy
policy
or
not
post
an
option
at
all.
Of
course,
the
most
effective
way
to
avoid
information
leaks
for
all
of
us.
Would
you
go
fully
off
the
grid?
Get
a
burner
phone
only
use
a
po
box
and
change
your
name
to
jane
doe,
but
unfortunately,
for
most
of
us,
that
option
is
not
entirely
realistic.
J
So
that's
why
it's
so
important.
I
think
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
limit
the
reach
of
our
data
brokers
and
other
companies
when
it
comes
to
our
personally
identifiable
information
during
the
2019
legislative
session,
the
legislature
enacted
senate
bill
220
to
prohibit
an
operator
of
a
website
or
online
service
from
selling
certain
personal
identifiable
information
collected
from
a
consumer.
J
If
a
consumer
submits
a
verified
request
to
the
operator
directing
the
operator
not
to
sell
such
information,
I
brought
forth
senate
bill
220
last
session
after
my
constituents
again
had
expressed
some
concern
about
the
privacy
of
their
personal
identifiable
information
senate
bill.
260
takes
that
next
step
in
protecting
our
constituents,
personal
information
by
prohibiting
a
data
broker
from
selling
personal
identifiable
information.
J
Madam
chair,
we
have
been
working
with
a
number
of
individuals
and
a
number
of
stakeholders
in
this
bill
to
come
up
with
some
conceptual
amendments
which
I
believe
the
committee
has
been
provided
with.
I
am
joined
today
by
matt
robinson,
who
has
been
helping
with
the
work
on
those
conceptual
amendments.
I
think
they're
we
are
still
in
the
process
of
putting
forth
what
I
think
will
be
good
policy
and
that
will
work
for
a
lot
of
these
companies,
while
also
protecting
folks
information.
J
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
talk
briefly
about
the
sections
that
are
in
senate
bill
260
and
then
turn
it
over
to
mr
robinson
to
discuss
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
conceptual
amendment
and
some
of
the
ongoing
conversations
that
we
have
had,
additionally
with
the
attorney
general's
office
and
other
stakeholders.
A
Yes,
ma'am,
madam
majority
leader,
I'm
informed,
we
don't
have
those
amendments.
Is
it
possible
to
get
it
to
us,
get
them
to
us.
J
Yes,
madam
chair,
I
will
ensure
that
the
committee
does
get
that
conceptual
amendment
and
mr
robinson,
I
think,
can
speak
to
the
pieces
of
that.
As
I
mentioned,
this
is
still,
I
think,
very
much
a
bit
of
a
work
in
progress
when
it
comes
to
the
conceptual
amendment.
We
have
had
some
working
group
meetings
to
discuss
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
stakeholders
involved
in
this
legislation.
J
Much
like
we
did
with
senate
bill
220.
I
think
what
the
overall
goal
here
is
is
to
come
with,
come
up
with
a
policy
that
allows
for
folks
to
protect
that
personal
identifiable
information,
but
that
also
will
be
workable
from
the
company's
aspect
into
providing
those
options
to
the
consumer.
A
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
the
overview
of
the
substantive
substantive
sections
of
senate
bill
260.
starts
with
senate.
It
starts
with
section
2,
which
defines
a
data
broker
as
a
person
engaged
in
the
business
of
purchasing
covered
information
about
consumers
who
reside
in
this
state
from
operators
or
other
data
brokers
and
making
sales
of
or
disseminating
such
covered
information.
J
Furthermore,
a
data
broker
is
required
to
respond
to
a
verified
request
within
60
days
of
receipt.
Section
3
allows
a
data
broker
to
extend
the
period
to
respond
to
a
consumer
by
30
days.
If
the
broker
determines
that
an
extension
is
reasonably
necessary,
but
the
data
broker
is
required
to
notify
the
consumer
of
that
extension.
J
Section
section
12
authorizes
the
attorney
general
to
seek
an
injunction
or
a
civil
penalty
against
a
data
broker
who
violates
these
provisions.
If
the
attorney
general
has
reason
to
believe
that
a
data
broker
has
violated
or
is
violating
the
provisions
of
section
3,
the
attorney
general
may
institute
an
appropriate
legal
proceeding
against
the
data
broker.
Section
12
also
provides
that
a
district
court
that
finds
a
data
broker
has
violated
section.
3
of
this
act
may
issue
a
temporary
or
permanent
injunction
injunction
or
impose
a
civil
penalty
not
to
exceed
500
000.
K
K
I'd
like
to
thank
the
majority
leader
for
agreeing
to
work
with
us
on
this
very
important
bill,
and
we
think
it
is
a
great
next
step
to
allow
nevadans
the
choice
over
how
their
data
is
used
and
I'd
also
like
to
start
by
acknowledging
the
great
work
that
was
done
on
this
last
session,
as
well
as
the
group
that
put
in
that
work
really
did
lay
the
foundation
for
what
we're
doing
here
today,
and
the
people
in
nevada
will
be
better
protected
because
of
it
so
walk
through
some
of
the
points
on
our
conceptual
amendment
that
was
really
kind
of
crafted.
K
Through
our
discussions,
it
became
fairly
clear
to
us
that
this
was
overly
broad
and
and
perhaps
captured
unintended
parties,
so
the
below
is
what
we
decided
to
do
is
include
a
provision
where
a
data
broker
is
a
person
or
business
whose
primary
business
is
the
collection
and
sale
of
covered
information.
K
You
know,
I
don't
think
we
look
at
most
of
the
the
companies,
especially
in
our
stakeholder
group,
and
think
that
that
is
their.
That
is
actually
their
line
of
business.
So
we
were
pretty
confident
that
that
gives
most
folks
cover
and
really
does
target
the
people
that
are
buying
wholesale
data
and
sharing
it
for
others
to
sell
or
target
you
for
with
specific
products.
K
We
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
oftentimes
companies
will
work
together
on
promotions
or
special
deals
that
require
a
transfer
of
data,
whether
among
internal
you
know
other
subsidiaries
or
or
partner
entities
that
really
are
good
for
the
consumer.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
could
continue
to
happen.
K
Also
in
the
definition
of
data
broker.
In
its
current
form,
there
is
a
reference
to
the
dissemination
of
data
and
again
we
believe
that
that's
a
bit
broad
and
captured
unintended
operators.
So
we
are
in
this
conceptual
amendment
proposing
that
we
remove
that
and
moving
on
in
there
was
a
right
to
cure
period
that
is
included
in
sb260
and
as
well
as
sb
220
from
last
session.
K
It
essentially
says:
if
you
know
people
make
mistakes,
because
companies
make
mistakes
and
if
they
do,
they
should
be
afforded
a
period
where
they
can
rectify
those
mistakes.
K
We
were
talking
about
potentially
taking
that
and
and
in
sp260
in
its
current
form,
it
re
it
diminishes
that
right,
secure
window
from
30
days
to
10
days,
but
is
what
we've
also
done
in
this
bill
is
say
that
if
you
do
make
this
mistake,
you
only
get
one
chance
per
customer
per
consumer
and
then
you'd
be
expected
to
operate
in
compliance
moving
forward
as
it
relates
to
that
consumer's
data.
K
So
we
didn't
really
see
with
with
that
extra.
With
those
extra
teeth
there,
we
didn't
really
see
a
need
to
diminish
the
time
period.
We
figured
it's
better
to
allow
a
company
to
take
the
adequate
time
to
implement
the
proper
procedures
so
that
they
can
actually
make
sure
that
it
does
not
continue
to
happen.
K
There's
a
provision
in
there
that
requires
operators
to
establish
and
maintain
a
list
of
consumers
that
have
opted
to
not
have
their
information
sold
or
shared,
and
in
the
days
after
passage,
the
attorney
general's
office
started
receiving
calls
and
notifications
from
several
companies.
That
said,
you
know
hey.
We
don't
actually
collect
or
store
any
consumer
data,
and
this
requirement,
or
this
provision
is
actually
requiring
that
we
do
start
to
do
so.
So
we
would
support
a
an
amendment
that
exempts
folks
like
that.
K
K
They
suggested
that
we
remove
willfully
and
proceed
with
just
knowingly
it's
and
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
it
seems
to
be
a
more
appropriate
legal
benchmark
for
their
office
as
they
look
to
take
action
against
entities
that
are
in
violation
essentially
knowingly
in
this
case
means
you
either
knew
or
you
should
have
known,
and
we
believe
that,
coupled
with
that
right
to
cure
period,
this
is
this
is
probably
the
best
way
to
move
forward
for
everyone.
K
Additionally,
josh
hicks
in
mcdonald
carano.
He
provided
us
two
other
amendments
from
fair
credit
reporting
institutions
and
fraud
prevention
entities
that
they
should
be
exempted.
They
are.
They
are
right
now
covered
under
federal
requirements
that
govern
these
issues,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
that
clear
that
those
those
folks
should
be
able
to
continue
their
business
and
it's
in
fact
in
line
with
our
consumer
advocacy
message
here.
So
that's
what
I
have
and
I'd
love
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
might
have
to
the
best
of
my.
A
J
A
Okay,
thank
you
committee
members,
questions
senator
picker.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
cenazaro
for
bringing
this
bill,
I'm
all
for
privacy.
I
think
it's
a
this
is
good
policy
just
to
have
a
couple
of
practical
questions,
and
mr
robinson,
you
suggested
that
where
the
amendment
is
going
to
narrow
this
to
those
who
broker
this
data
as
their
primary
business,
so
since
many
of
the
internet,
in
fact,
all
the
internet
service
providers
collect
data
and
sell
it.
F
Google
amazon,
you
know
everybody
who
uses
the
internet
and
uses
you
know
some
standard
application
is
probably
delivering
information
to
them,
but
that's
not
their
primary
business.
They
can
buy
and
sell,
and-
and
this
does
not,
the
the
amendment
would
preclude
them
from
being
included
in
this.
Is
that
correct.
F
Okay,
and
so
how
many
people
are
we
or.
F
I
would
think
that
the
amazons
and
and
the
googles
and
the
isps
of
the
world,
whether
that
be
comcast
or
cox
or
whomever
they're,
probably
buying
and
selling
the
vast
majority
of
data,
how
many
brokers
are
out
there
that
this
is
going
to
affect
and
or
maybe
better
asked
how
much
of
the
data
bought
and
sold
today
is
going
to
be
captured
in
this.
K
Again,
matt
robinson
with
our
general
partners
for
the
record
senator
picker.
Thank
you
for
the
question
so
that
that's
actually
an
interesting
question.
Currently,
a
lot
of
the
telecom
companies
have
actually
taken
it
upon
themselves
to
implement
some
some
fairly
significant
data
protection
standards,
not
all
but
but
a
good,
a
good
amount
of
them.
K
Vermont
and
california
actually
have
data
broker
registries
as
they're
they're,
unique
in
that
sense,
and
as
we're
looking
through
to
to
kind
of
really
see
who
these
companies
are
they're,
not
really
your
usuals
they're
they're,
not
the
folks.
You
were
just
talking
about
they're,
smaller
marketing
companies,
they're
lead
generators,
they're
online
background
check.
Companies,
folks,
like
that,
are,
are
really
the
data
brokers
currently
again,
just
for
example,
in
vermont
there
are
120
that
have
registered
under
that
new
law.
K
They
expect
it
up
to
about
2
000,
as
people
realize
that
they
need
to
come
into
compliance.
I
don't
have
a.
I
guess.
I
can't
give
you
a
good
estimation
of
how
much
actual
data
or
raw
data
would
be
captured
by
this.
But
again
I
I
think
the
telecom
companies
you
brought
up
are
kind
of
self-regulating.
In
this
sense,
and
again
it
was,
it
is
not
their
primary
business,
so
I
think
there
is.
There
is
adequate
cover
there
for
those
entities.
K
K
F
All
right,
I
just
did
it
we're
making
a
requirement
that
consumers
may
at
any
time
submit
a
verified
request,
but
you
know
if
most
consumers,
as
I
think
senator
canozzaro,
suggested,
don't
even
know
that
these
guys
exist.
F
How
do
they
make
a
request?
If
that
isn't
you
know
I
I
I'm
not
saying
that
we
don't
need
to
start
there,
I'm
just.
I
I'm
wondering
how
do
we
what's
the
process
that
a
consumer?
You
know
somebody
like
me
who
just
uses
it
without
really
knowing
what
is
behind
it?
How
do
we
make
that
request?
J
And
thank
you
senator
for
the
question
through
you,
madam
chair
to
senator
pickard,
nicole
canezzaro
senate
district
six
with
senate
bill
220
from
the
2019
legislative
session.
What
we
because
that
was
this
very
similar
question
that
we
had
with
respect
to
that
law.
That's
where
we
came
up
with
the
verified
request
to
a
designated
request
address
that
would
allow
for
the
company
if
they
were
primarily
digital
to
use
email
to
utilize
a
mailing
address,
but
that
they
would
have.
J
They
would
be
required
to
post
that
so
that
the
consumer
could
go
in
and
opt
out,
and
this
would,
with
the
same
kind
of
structure,
operate
the
same
way.
The
way
the
consumer
would
know
on
the
back
end
that
the
company
had
received.
That
request
is
that
requirement
for
them
to
respond
to
the
verified
request.
J
If
they
fail
to
respond,
then
you
know
that
that
triggers
the
penalties
here
that
can
exist,
but
that
it
is
intended
that
when
you
interact
with
a
website
or
a
company
that
has
this
particular
type
of
business,
that
they
have
to
provide
that
as
part
of
the
opt-out
procedure
that
they
put
in
place
and
then
must
respond
within
it.
F
I
just
don't
know
how
the
brokers
under
this
scenario
would
do
that,
since
they
aren't
providing
the
service
they're,
not
you
know,
they're
they're,
not
hosting
a
website
they're
behind
the
scenes
entirely.
F
So
anyway,
I
just
it
was
just
a
practical
question,
just
wondering
how
we're
going
to
educate
the
consumer
to
get
that
done
anyway.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
this,
I'm
again
a
supporter
of
privacy,
so
this
is
probably
good
policy.
Thank
you.
G
You
senator
pickard
members
any
additional
questions.
G
So
I
had
one
it
was
on
section
12
and
I
don't
know
if
this
was
asked,
because
I
got
distracted
but
on
the
language
section
12
line
11,
where
the
data
broker
could
be
indirectly
in
violation.
What
are
the
scenarios
that
create
an
indirect
violation
where
a
legal
proceeding
would
then
start
or
an.
J
And
madam
vice
chair,
senator
canezaro
senate
district
six,
I
believe
that
that
is
that
that
language,
we
can
definitely
clean
up,
because
I
see
your
concern
there.
We
obviously
want
folks
who
are
actually
violating
the
law
to
be
to
fall
within
the
language
and
the
purview
of
the
bill
and
the
legislation.
I
think
what
we
are
trying
to
get
at
is
that
if
you
are
selling
data,
you
need
to
be
part
of
this,
even
if
you're
not
the
first
initiating
point
of
where
that
data
comes
from.
J
When
we're
talking
about
data
brokers-
and
I
think
this
plays
back
into
the
definition
where
we're
trying
to
clean
up
the
primary
business
piece
so
that
language
probably
needs
a
little
bit
more
finesse
with
respect
to
the
indirectly,
because
we
are
trying
to
get
those
folks
who
whose
primary
business
is.
This
is
to
sell
data
and
the
bill,
as
originally
written,
obviously
had
a
broader
definition.
So
I
think
between
the
changes
in
that
definition
of
what
constitutes
a
data
broker
and
then
some
more
finesse
in
that
language.
B
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
so
nobody's
trying
to
get
in
like
before.
B
No
by
sure
we
have
colors
in
the
queue,
but
none
of
them
want
to
speak
in
support.
Okay,.
B
B
B
B
G
Okay,
so
we
will
go
to
neutral
for
sb
260.
B
D
Good
morning,
man
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
paul
moratkin
m-o-r-a-d
k-h-a-n,
with
the
vegas
chamber,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
senate
majority
leader
for
bringing
the
stakeholders
together.
So
we
could
discuss
the
intensive
pill.
Sorry
intent
of
the
bill
and
the
policy
issue
at
hand
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
will
receive
from
our
members
that
would
be
affected
by
the
bill.
The
vegas
chamber
would
be
neutral
on
sb
260,
based
on
the
proposed
conceptual
amendment.
D
B
D
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
josh
hicks
with
mcdonald
carano,
representing
the
consumer
data
industry,
association
or
cdia,
as
we
call
it.
Cdia
is
a
national
association
representing
consumer
reporting
agencies,
including
nationwide
and
regional
credit
bureaus
and
background,
and
residential
screening
companies
that
promotes
the
responsible
use
of
consumer
data
throughout
the
country.
I
would
like
to
thank
senator
canazzaro
and
mr
robinson
as
well,
for
convening
stakeholder
groups
early
and
having
discussions
on
these
bills.
D
B
D
Hello,
my
name
is
phil
recht
r-e-c-h-t,
I'm
an
attorney
with
mayor
brown
to
represent
the
people
search
service
coalition
and
again
let
me
thank
the
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
Our
coalition
includes
a
number
of
well-known
companies
that
provide
background
check,
fraud,
detection
and
people
search
services.
These
companies
would
qualify
as
data
brokers
under
this
bill.
D
We
support
strong
privacy
bills.
In
our
view,
they
are
good
for
consumers
and
industry
alike.
As
an
example,
we
supported
the
california
privacy
bill
as
well
as
the
creation
of
the
california
data
broker
registry.
That
was
mentioned
just
a
few
moments
ago.
In
fact,
we
were
the
one
organization
that
strongly
supported
the
creation
of
that
registry
as
well.
Our
companies
have
been
providing
opt-out
rights
for
many
many
years
well
before
any
state
law
required
them,
and
we
continue
to
do
so
today.
D
So
does
the
privacy
proposal
that's
working
its
way
through
the
washington
legislation?
Legislature,
so
does
a
model
state
law,
that's
being
developed
by
the
uniform
law
commission
and,
as
you
probably
well
know,
that
is
a
group
made
up
of
retired
judges
and
law
professors
and
the
like
they've
taken
a
hard
look
at
this
issue
as
well.
D
Given
all
this,
we
would
urge
that
this
bill,
similarly
exempt
publicly
available
data,
listed
a
risk
of
first
amendment
violation.
The
easiest
way
to
do
so
is
by
amending
the
definition
of
covered
information
in
section
six
of
the
bill
to
exclude
data.
That's
made
available
to
the
public,
be
it
in
government
records
by
widely
available
media
or
by
consumers
themselves.
That's
the
kind
of
language
that
you
see
in
these
other
state
laws.
We
would
be
glad
to
provide
a
suggested
language
answer
any
questions
the
committee
may
have.
D
I
thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
and
for
your
consideration
of
these
comments.
Thanks.
B
D
Good
morning
my
name
is
maya,
mckenzie
m-c-k-e-n-v-I-e,
chair
spearman
and
members
of
the
community
thanks
committee.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
mckenzie
and
I'm
representing
the
state
privacy
and
security
coalition.
This
is
a
group
of
29
leading
communications
technology,
retail
automobile
and
media
companies,
as
well
as
eight
trade
associations.
D
D
The
only
way
that
we
can
make
an
accurate
assessment
of
the
bill's
impact
on
businesses
and
obama,
as
well
as
consumers,
is
through
careful
review
of
the
text.
I
mean
simply
stated
every
word
matters,
so
we
respectfully
request
that
this
committee
not
approve
the
bill
until
actual
amendment.
Language
is
vetted
once
exact
language
is
provided.
The
committee
can
then
determine
whether
this
bill
fits
the
existing
regulatory
landscape
or
increases
disparities
among
states
which
raises
significant
operational
costs
and
problems.
D
Based
on
the
proposed
concepts
circulated
by
the
sponsor.
There
are
several
additions
that
would
create
a
more
workable
pro-consumer
bill.
One
example
found
in
all
similar
multi-rights
privacy
laws
is
including
exceptions
for
data
and
entities
regulated
by
federal
law,
including
the
grand
rouge
valley
act,
the
driver's
privacy
protection
act
and,
as
noted
earlier,
the
fair
credit
reporting
act.
D
Provision
of
this
information
by
information
services
is
very
important
to
fight
fraud
and
identity
theft
track
down
absolute
parents
who
refuse
to
pay
child
support
and
other
important
pro-consumer
uses.
So
if
bad
actors
can
opt
out
of
these
information
services,
nevadans
and
nevada,
small
businesses
will
be
harmed
in
certain
cases.
Exemption
ensures
businesses
can
continue
to
use
their
current
compliance
solutions
with
safe
compliance
costs,
while
also
promoting
existing
consumer
protections.
D
B
D
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
omar
saucedo
and
I'm
testifying
here
today
on
behalf
of
a
t.
First,
I
want
to
thank
majority
leader
canazaro
for
working
with
us
and
on
this
bill
and
including
a
large
group
of
stakeholders
in
those
meetings.
Last
session
at
t
was
part
of
the
large
coalition
of
businesses
that
helped
pass
nevada's
privacy
law
sb220.
D
We
appreciated
the
majority
leader's
collaborative
approach
last
session,
as
well
as
our
concerted
effort,
this
session
to
help
pass
meaningful,
common-sense
privacy
reform.
We
also
appreciate
the
conceptual
amendment
that
was
presented
here
today
and
a
result
and,
as
a
result,
we
are
testifying
neutral.
D
However,
due
to
the
complex
nature
of
privacy
legislation,
the
text
of
the
legislation
is
critically
important.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
a
mock-up
amendment
with
them
to
the
bill
soon
and
look
forward
to
analyzing
it
when
appropriate.
Until
then,
we
are
neutral
on
the
bill
and
look
forward
to
working
collaboratively
with
the
bill
sponsor
and
other
stakeholders,
as
this
measure
makes
its
way
through
the
legislative
process.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
B
A
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
additional
questions.
A
That
was
right.
I
have
just
one
and
I
was
offline
for
a
minute,
so
you
may
have
covered
it
this.
This
appears
to
be
a
problem.
That's
very
pervasive
in
the
civilian
population-
and
my
question
is:
do
we
know
what
that
looks
like
for
persons
who
are
in
the
military
or
veterans.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
question.
Senator
candizaro
senate
district
six
and
I
think,
an
important
one,
especially
as
we
seek
to
ensure
that
our
our
veterans
are
protected
under
the
laws
that
we're
passing
as
well.
I
think
they
equally
would
fall
under
these
provisions
if
their
data
was
to
be
subject
to
sale
by
what
we're
defining
is
it
as
a
data
broker
or
frankly,
under
the
law
and
senate
bill
220
from
the
2019
session,
they
would
still
be
permitted
to
opt
out
from
that
data.
J
Obviously,
there's
there's
some
data.
That
is
that
I
think
is,
is
not
wouldn't
be
covered
by
this,
because
we
are
dealing
with
where
your
data
becomes
available
through
some
of
the
same
channels
that
we're
all
using
online,
but
definitely
the
that
veterans
fall
with
well
within
the
protections
of
this
bill,
as
well
as
the
current
statute.
A
Yep
and-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
don't
know
if
they're,
if
it's
possible
to
find
out
how
many
have
already
been
harmed,
because
this
is
not
in
place-
and
I
understand
that
there
are
federal
statutes
that
protect
your
your
credit
reports
etc.
But
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
find
out
how
many
of
our
military
members
or
veterans?
A
J
Yes
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
question,
sorry
district
six,
we
will
work
on
trying
to
see
if
we
can,
if
we
can
find
that
information
for
you
senator
and
get
some
more
definitive
numbers.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
additional
questions.
Committee
members-
I
don't
see
any
so,
not
a
majority
leader.
You
have
any
closing
comments.
J
I
just
again
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
having
me
here
and
being
able
to
present
senate
bill
260,
which
I
think
is,
is
going
to
build
upon
some
good
work
that
we're
doing
in
the
in
the
privacy
space.
That
is
a
very
real
concern
for
many
of
our
constituents
and
our,
and
also,
I
think
something
that
we're
putting
into
place
a
policy
that
is
really
workable
and
and
is
going
to
protect
consumers.
A
Thank
you
and,
as
always,
I
always
like
to
make
sure
we're
doing
what
we
need
to
do
for
our
military
and
veterans.
So
thank
you
for
taking
on
that
task.
I
appreciate
it,
and
so
with
that
we
will
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
260.,
and
I
want
to
bounce
back
to
senate
bill
291,
where
we
put
it
on
pause
and
let's
go
back
and
open
it
up.
I
understand
that
we
have
some
of
the
students
who
are
online
and
they're
ready
to
testify
broadcast.
Are
we
ready
for
that.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
D
B
A
Thank
you,
and
just
in
the
event
that
someone
was
trying
to
get
through
and
there
was
technical
difficulties.
Please
submit
your
written
testimony
as
a
matter
of
fact.
Those
of
you
who
were
able
to
get
through
if
you
submit
your
written
testimony
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Senator
lang,
if
you
have
any
closing
comments.
C
Yes,
madam
chair,
just
one
comment,
because
I
think
I
kind
of
closed
prior
when
we
before
we
had
technical
difficulties.
I
just
want
to
clarify.
I
think
the
committee
has
some
consternation
about
the
word
master
execution
and
we're
looking
into
the
word
master
for
you,
madam
chair,
but
there
are
other
states
we're
not
tied
to
that
language
or
other
states
such
as
oregon.
C
They
use
the
words
advanced
practice
esthetician.
So
that
could
be
an
option
if
we
were
not
inclined
to
use
the
word
master.
But
we
will
research
that
and
get
it
out
to
you
so
that
you
can
get
it
out
to
the
rest
of
the
committee.
A
J
It
is
thank
you
again
for
having
me
back,
madam
chair
and
good
morning
to
you
and
members
of
the
committee
again
for
the
record.
My
name
is
nicole
cannazzaro.
I
represent
senate
district
six,
which
encompasses
a
portion
of
the
northwest
part
of
the
las
vegas
valley,
and
I
am
very
pleased
to
be
here
with
you
today
to
discuss
what
I
believe
to
be
a
very
important
piece
of
legislation
senate
bill
293,
which
seeks
to
stop
the
practice
of
requesting
the
salary
history
from
a
protect
potential,
employee
last
session.
J
Of
course,
thanks
in
large
part
to
the
phenomenal
work
done
by
the
chair
of
this
committee.
We
took
a
monumental
step
in
nevada
by
passing
equal
pay
for
equal
work.
However,
it
is
still
critical
that
we
recognize
that
the
gender
pay
gap
is
still
very
much
an
issue
that
we
have
to
take
steps
to
address
where
we
can.
J
I
have
definitely
shared,
I
think,
some
of
my
own
story
throughout
the
last
few
sessions
that
I
have
been
here.
You
know
I
have
a
mother
who
has
who
worked
in
the
hospitality
industry,
my
entire
life
growing
up
and
at
the
point
in
time
when
I
had
reached
law
school
and
and
was
a
little
further
along
in
my
education,
which
was
not
quite
that
long
ago.
My
mom
finally
got
a
job
working
as
a
manager
in
one
of
the
restaurants
that
she
was
an
employee.
J
At
over
time,
there
became
a
period
where
she
then
received
one
day,
some
additional
money
in
a
paycheck,
and
when
she
went
to
inquire,
why
it
was
that
she
had
received
additional
funds.
She
was
told
that
there
had
been
another
yet
another
female
employee
who
had
made
an
allegation
that
there
existed
a
gender
pay
gap
and
that
there
was
not
equal
work
or
equal
pay
for
equal
work
in
her
place
of
employment.
J
And
when
that
woman
had
challenged
that
she
sued
and
won
and
in
fact
there
was
paid
discrimination
going
on
and
as
a
result,
because
my
mom
fell
into
that
category,
as
well
as
someone
who
had
been
discriminated
against
because
she
was
a
woman
and
was
being
paid
less,
which
is
not
a.
I
wish
I
could
say
that
was
a
very
unique
experience,
but
definitely
I
think
illustrates
that
this
is
a
real
problem
that
is
ongoing
here
in
nevada
and
ongoing
in
our
country
when
she
received
that
additional
check.
J
It
was
because
she
was
being
paid
desperately
based
on
her
gender,
and
this
is
a
problem
that
I
think
we
can
address,
and
I
think
that
senate
bill
293
allows
us
to
take
some
of
the
steps
to
ensure
that
we
are
working
to
close
that
wage
gap.
I
think
the
very
first
critical
piece
of
that
was
passing
equal
work
for
equal
pay,
but
this,
I
think,
takes
it
a
step
further
and
is
something
that
we
know
can
work.
J
We
recently,
even
in
this
body,
recognized
that
equal
pay
day
which
occurred
about
a
week
or
so
ago,
was
that
day
wherein
a
woman
can
finally
say
she
had
made
him
as
much
as
her
male
counterpart
in
the
preceding
year,
a
woman
just
starting
her
career
as
a
result
will
earn
406
760
less
over
a
40-year
work
life
on
average
compared
to
her
male
counterparts
for
women
of
color.
The
inequity
is
even
more
pronounced.
J
On
average,
a
black
woman
will
earn
964
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
less
over
the
course
of
her
career
than
her
male
counterparts.
While
a
latina
woman
earns
on
average
1.1
million
dollars
less
than
her
male
counterparts,
this
imbalance
has
been
further
exacerbated
in
the
last
year
due
to
the
covid19
pandemic,
and
so
I
do
believe
that
senate
bill
293
is
a
step
not
only
in
closing
the
gender
wage
gap
overall,
but
also
in
addressing
some
of
the
very
real
consequences
of
where
we
find
ourselves
in
this
global
pandemic.
J
In
the
economic
fallout
from
the
pandemic,
women
have
been
the
majority
of
our
jobs
that
have
been
lost.
Many
have
been
forced
to
drop
out
of
the
labor
force
altogether
and
are
sadly
disproportionately
represented
in
the
industries
that
are
most
devastated
by
the
pandemic,
and
particularly
here
in
nevada,
while
the
passage
of
equal
pay
last
session
was
in
fact,
a
monumental
step
in
addressing
the
gender
pay
gap,
there
is
still
work
to
be
done
to
help
create
parity
and
pay
for
men
and
women
requesting
job
applicant
salary
histories
has
been
a
common
practice
for
employers.
J
But
what
we
know
now
is
that
when
employers
request
an
applicant's
salary
history,
it
forces
women
and
people
of
color
to
carry
lower
earnings
and
pay
discrimination
with
them
from
job
to
job
so
where
there
may
have
been
relief
in
changing
jobs
and
having
that
ability
to
seek
and
increase
pay
and
to
not
be
disproportionately
affected
by
your
new
employer.
When
we
rely
on
salary
histories
in
order
to
make
those
determinations,
we
perpetuate
the
problem,
even
if
it
wasn't
caused
by
that
current
hiring
employer.
J
Even
if
the
employer
is
willing
to
pay
an
applicant
significantly
more
than
what
he
or
she
previously
made.
The
negotiation
process
itself
is
likely
to
be
affected
by
anchoring
the
applicant
to
his
or
her
lower
earnings,
and
that
is
one
of
the
key
pieces
when
it
comes
to
wage
disparity
on
the
basis
of
gender.
J
Even
when
factors
like
education,
industry,
race
region
and
work
experience
are
considered,
the
wage
gap
between
men
and
women
remains,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
piece.
These
are
not
the
types
of
things
that
are
contributing
to
the
wage
gap.
We
aren't
talking
about
the
jobs
that
women
typically
work,
the
jobs
that
men
typically
work
and
that's
accounting
or
the
wage
disparity.
J
Those
are
not
the
items
that
are
contributing
to
this,
but
rather
because
women
are
systemically
paid
less
than
men,
employers
who
rely
on
salary
history
to
select
job
applicants
or
to
set
a
new
hires
pay
will
tend
to
perpetuate
those
gender
and
race-based
disparities
in
their
workforce.
Because
of
the
negotiation
process,
some
employers
may
claim
they
need
to
know
the
salary
history
of
applicants
to
determine
the
market
value
of
an
applicant
or
the
position.
J
That
salary
is
not
a
neutral
objective
factor
and
we
have
to
recognize
that,
in
fact,
it
often
reflects
the
historical
market
forces
which
value
the
equal
work
of
one
sex
over
the
other
simply
put
relying
on
salary.
History
leads
to
depressed
wages,
for
women
and
for
people
of
color
to
address
these
inequities.
There
are
now
19
states
and
21
localities
that
have
enacted
bans
on
asking
for
previous
salary
history.
J
Some
of
those
states
include
states
like
washington,
oregon,
utah,
colorado,
missouri,
illinois,
wisconsin,
michigan,
ohio,
pennsylvania,
maine,
vermont,
new
jersey,
kentucky
louisiana,
mississippi,
alabama,
georgia,
south
carolina
north
carolina,
maryland,
delaware,
massachusetts
connecticut,
and
the
list
goes
on.
I
believe
that
these
same
provisions
should
be
implemented
into
nevada
law.
J
J
J
It
has
had
an
impact
in
some
of
the
initial
reports
for
those
who
are
women
over
the
age
of
35,
who
have
children,
five
or
older,
and
that
shows
that
they're
actually
experiencing
a
penalty
as
a
result
of
being
a
child
birth
age
and
having
children
and
that
wage,
salary
or
salary
bans
are
actually
helping
to
close
that
wage
gap.
J
Then,
when
somebody
changes
a
job
where
they
may
have
been
discriminated
against
in
prior
employment
and
in
prior
pay
that
where
they
do
change
jobs,
and
we
have
an
elimination
of
reporting
salary
history
such
that
it
would
anchor
down
that
particular
applicant
or
may
affect
the
amount
of
pay
that
they
are
earning
they're.
Seeing
a
change,
particularly
with
women.
At
six
point,
four
percent
more
and
with
non-white
applicants
at
seven
point,
seven
percent
more.
So
the
early
research
here
is
showing
that
salary.
J
Excuse
me
that
salary
ban
history
bans
do
in
fact
have
the
intended
effect,
and
I
find
that
news
to
be
exceedingly
exciting,
because
this
is
something
that
can
still
allow
employers
to
hire.
Individuals
who
are
readily
capable
of
doing
the
jobs
who
have
all
the
skills
necessary
still
allows
them
to
pay.
What
that
company
or
what
that
particular
business
deems
to
be
the
appropriate
salary
range.
Yet
it
levels
the
playing
field
when
it
comes
to
the
negotiation
process
and
that's
one
of
the
biggest
factors
that
starts
to
play
into
the
wage
gap.
J
I
would
like
to
take
a
couple
of
moments
to
walk
through
the
overview
of
the
substantive
sections
of
the
bill,
and
I
begin
with
sections
one
and
nine
and
nine
through
12.
that
present
those
sections
prohibit
certain
private
and
public
employers
from
the
following
inquiring
about
an
applicant's
wage
or
salary
history,
relying
on
the
wage
or
salary
history
to
determine
whether
to
offer
employment
or
the
rate
of
pay
of
the
applicant
or
refusing
to
hire
interview,
promote
or
employ
an
applicant
or
discriminate
or
retaliate
against
an
applicant.
J
However,
an
applicant
is
not
prohibited
under
the
language
of
the
bill
from
voluntarily
disclosing
their
wage
or
salary
history
and
an
employer
is
not
prohibited
from
using
the
voluntarily
disclosed
information
to
determine
the
rate
of
pay
of
the
applicant.
In
addition,
a
potential
employer
is
not
prohibited
from
asking
an
applicant
about
his
or
her
wage
or
salary
expectation,
and
that
is
what
they
might
want,
what
they
believe
they
should
be
paid
for
the
job
or
what
they
would
like
to
make
at
the
job.
J
J
Section
1
makes
in
an
unlawful
employment
practice
if
certain
private
and
public
employers
violate
any
of
these
provisions,
an
employer,
employment
agency
or
any
agent
or
representative
thereof
that
is
found
to
have
violated.
The
provisions
of
this
bill
may
be
subject
to
an
administrative
penalty
of
not
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
for
each
violation.
J
Additionally,
the
labor
commissioner
may
recover
any
costs
and
attorneys
fees
incurred
in
investigating
such
violations.
Sections
three
and
five
provide
that
the
prohibitions
implemented
by
this
bill
do
not
apply
to
employment
outside
of
this
state,
religious
organizations,
nonprofit
organizations
and
to
certain
businesses
or
enterprises
on
or
near
an
indian
reservation.
J
Section
6
authorizes
a
person
who
believes
he
or
she
has
been
injured
by
an
unlawful
employment
practice
relating
to
an
employer's
inquiry
of
wage
or
salary
history
to
file
a
complaint
with
nerc
and
section
7
provides
that
if
nerc
does
conclude
that
it
is
an
unfair
employment
practice
has
occurred.
The
commission
must
issue
a
letter
stating
the
rights
of
the
person
who
filed
the
complaint
and
of
his
or
her
right
to
sue
relating
to
the
alleged
unfair
employment
practice.
J
J
If
the
employee
is
protected
under
provisions
of
title
vii
or
certain
provisions
of
existing
state
law,
one
additional
item
that
came
to
our
attention
was
the
applicability
of
senate
bill
293
and
which
employers
would
be
affected
by
this
bill.
I
want
to
make
clear
that
it
is
my
intention
to
include
all
employers
under
the
provision
of
this
bill,
and
we
may
have
an
amendment
down
the
road
that
will
also
address
that
aspect
of
it
to
ensure
that
that
intent
is
within
the
language
of
the
bill.
J
At
the
current
rate.
The
gender
pay
gap
nationally
will
not
be
closed
until
approximately
20
44,
and
we
just
can't
wait.
It
is
critical
that
we
continue
to
work
towards
combating
that
disparity
here
in
nevada,
as
we
have
seen
throughout
the
nation,
and
so
I
urge
your
support
of
this
bill
and
at
this
point
in
time,
madam
chair
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
or
members
of
the
committee
may
have.
A
Thank
you,
madam
majority
leader.
I
see
vice
chair
neil's
hand,
I'm
disturbed
because
I
don't
see
senator
picker's
hand.
So,
thanks
for
letting
me
rub,
you
senator
pictured
vice
chair
neal,.
G
Thank
you,
chair
spearman,
and
thank
you
majority
leader
for
bringing
this
bill
and
for
wanting
to
lift
up
women
of
color,
who
are
historically
paid
less,
I'm
wondering
so
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
a
general
question.
Before
I
get
into
specifics
of
the
bill
from
the
local
governments
where
you
are
going
into
their
practices.
G
What
have
they
said
to
you
about
any
kind
of
costs
that
they're
going
to
incur
or
have
they
have?
They
brought
back
any
kind
of
negative
comments.
I
just
want
to
understand
like
because
local
and
I'm
asking
this
question
not
because
I'm
trying
to
you
know,
cast
shadow
on
this,
but
because
local
government
have
a
tendency,
sometimes
to
be
the
biggest
barrier
in
wanting
to
change
and
adjust
their
practices
and
they
try
to
associate
costs.
That
may
not
be
real.
J
And
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
for
the
question.
Through
you
matter
of
chair
two
men
and
vice
chair
nicole
canozzaro,
senate
district
six
meta
vice
chair,
I
have
not
heard
from
any
of
the
local
governments
on
this
bill.
The
outreach
that
I
have
had
to
work
with
some
of
the
the
business
industry
we've
had
some
very
productive
conversations.
J
I
did
receive
one
email
this
morning
from
the
from
the
northern
contractors
association
expressing
some
concerns
about
provisions
of
the
bill,
which
I
have
not
had
an
opportunity
since
I
received
that
today
to
have
a
thorough
conversation
with
them,
but
as
it
comes
to
local
governments,
counties
local
local
localities,
I
have
not
heard
from
them
either
concerns
or
costs,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
in
doing
this,
we
can
actually
put
in
place
a
procedure,
and
I
don't
believe
that
it
should
incur
costs
to
your
point.
J
I
don't
believe
that
this
should
incur
additional
costs,
especially
because
they
already
have
different
salary
ranges
and
different
salary
pay
grades,
and
I
think
that
should
still
apply
under
the
provisions
of
this
particular
bill.
G
So
thank
you
for
that
majority
leader,
because
I
wanted
to
ask
because
in
section
1
sub
c
line
12
it
has
that
language
about
refusing
to
promote
right.
So
in
that
in
that
series
it
says,
refuse
remote.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
know-
and
you
just
kind
of
said
it
was
in
that
scenario
where
you
are
seeking
a
promotion
you're
currently
in
a
position.
G
J
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
for
the
question
through
you,
madam
chair
to
mountain
vice
chair,
nicole
canozzaro,
senate
district
six.
I
absolutely
agree.
J
A
minimizer,
I
think
that
actually
is
a
very
real
example
of
exactly
why
the
gender
bank
app
still
exists.
In
fact,
what
section
section
one
subsection
c
does
provide
for
is
that
they
can't
refuse
to
promote
an
applicant
if
that
applicant
refuses
to
disclose
what
their
salary
wage
history
is.
So,
where
I
think,
an
employee
seeking
promotion
who
may
receive
a
low
who
would
ordinarily
receive
an
or
a
lower
wage
than
a
male
counterpart.
That
probably
falls.
G
So
thank
you
for
that
and
because
I
super
appreciate
conversation
because
number
one.
It
hits
home
because
one
of
the
things
that
have
been
a
focus-
and
it's
and
I
have
it
in
another
bill-
is
trying
to
deal
with
the
glass
ceiling
that
is
in
play
when
you're
trying
to
get
a
promotion.
But
you
don't
understand
why
you
can't
seem
to
make
it
up
the
ladder
and
the
process
in
and
of
itself
is
not
transparent.
G
So
you
have
no
ammunition
to
argue
because
you
can't
see
your
score
like
or
you
can't
see
where
you
landed
in
the
promotion.
All
you
know
as
an
african-american
female
is
that
you
were
denied,
but
you
have
no
ability
and
no
mechanism
to
fight,
because
no
statutory
provision
is
out
there
for
you
to
actually
say
well.
I
can
prove
that
I
got
a
95
and
they
selected
someone
who
got
an
86,
and
so
I,
when
I
saw
this
language
I
thought
about
that.
G
You
know
it
was
great,
but
you
know
thinking
about
the
doorway
into
other
things,
trying
to
leverage
and
give
capacity
to
women
of
color
to
be
able
to
fight
against
internal
and
subjective
processes
that
are
keeping
them
in
a
lower
pay
range
that
has
been
their
lower
paying
range
for
hundreds
of
years.
J
And
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
nicole
canozzaro,
from
senate
district
six,
and
I
think
you
have
hit
on
exactly
why
it
is
that
things
like
salary
history.
Bans
are
effective,
they're
effective,
because
what
that
what
the
evidence
is
showing?
Is
it
that
negotiation
process
where
either
to
your
point
you're
not
aware
of
some
of
the
other
reasons
that
play
into
a
decision
or
you're
not
able
and
haven't
been
able
to
effectively
advocate
for
yourself
and
your
position
in
your
worth,
which,
unfortunately,
we
see
more
with
women
and
with
women
of
color?
J
You
don't
ever
start
to
achieve
parity
unless
you
can
really
delve
into
that
negotiation
process,
and
the
study
from
boston
university
found
that
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
reasons
why
these
salary
ban
cellar
history
bans
are
effective
is
because
it
it
deals
with
that
negotiation
process
and
the
more
we
can
level
the
playing
field
among
genders
and
among
racial
differences.
J
G
G
J
And
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
and
I
will
say
that
this
does
mirror
language
that
we
see
with
some
of
the
other
bills
that
I
that
I
had
mentioned
was
160
6
and
177
from
last
session
that,
where
it's
either
an
employer,
so
you
would
fall
under
the
definition
in
chapter
613
as
an
employer
or
employment
agency
or
where
you
may
have
someone
who
is
doing
the
hiring
for
that
particular
business
or
someone
who
is
simply
the
maybe
the
hr
director.
G
And
thank
you
for
that,
because
I
had
a
bill
similar
to
this
like
last
session,
not
in
terms
of
this
bill,
but
in
terms
of
the
line
of
individuals
who
could
be
liable
and
and
when
the
counties
came
back
to
me,
they
came
back
saying
that
you
know
if,
if
it
targeted
employees,
that
folks
who
are
employees
of
a
government
agency
cannot
be
civilly
liable
right.
So
they
couldn't
have
liability
that
was
imposed
on
them
and
that
they
were
limited.
G
So
I
was
wondering
if
that
spoke
to
that,
because
it
became
a
tool
that
they
used
in
my
bill
to
number
one
threaten
to
kill
it,
and
to
argue
that
I
was
imposing
a
civil
liability
on
an
employee
who
may
be
in
an
action,
and
so
that's
why
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up,
because
I
think,
even
in
the
legislature,
we
have
disparity
when
a
a
legislator
of
color
brings
language
to
try
to
fight
discrimination.
G
And
I
and
my
and
bills
are
seeing
differently
because
I'm
a
black
female,
that's
bringing
it
versus
the
other,
and
I'm
not.
And
I'm
calling
this
out
because
I've
been
in
the
building
for
a
really
long
time,
and
I
see
the
differences
on
when
I'm
challenged
on
language
that
I
have
and
what
I'm
trying
to
go
after
and
because
I'm
black,
they
see
it
as
threatening
where
it's
not
seen
the
same.
G
G
J
First,
I
have
to
say
that
hearing
that
absolutely
breaks
my
heart
and
infuriates
me,
and
anyone
in
this
building
who
thinks
that,
because
a
particular
legislator
based
upon
their
color
or
gender
or
any
other
characteristic,
is
not
equally
situated
to
bring
forth
language
to
address
discrimination
and
disparities,
which
is
part
of
the
job
that
we
have
been
hired
to
do
thanks
to
a
threat
of
killing
a
bill
is
going
to
stand
in
this
building
is
a
hundred
percent
and
absolutely
wrong,
and
I
would
I
would
love
to
be
of
any
help
in
that
that
I
can
the
fact
that
that
has
been
a
conversation
with
you
angers
me.
J
I
just
can't.
I
can't
even
fathom
that
someone
would
have
those
kinds
of
conversations,
because
senator
I
what
I
have
known
from
you
and
what
I
am
getting
to
learn
kind
of
upfront
and
personal.
Having
worked
with
you,
this
legislative
session
is
that
you
are
nothing
but
a
compassionate
and
fierce
fighter
for
what
is
right,
and
I
think
we
all
could
use
to
do
a
little
bit
more
in
that
space
and
and
to
act
with
that
sort
of
intention.
We
absolutely
have
to
have
to
address
discrimination.
J
J
We're
of
course
always
happy
to
have
open
dialogue
about
what
is
good
policy
and
what
is
not.
But
the
idea
that
some
similar
language
in
a
different
bill
was
challenged
and
that
it
is
being
done
so
because
you
are
seen
as
threatening
and
let
me
first
say
that
I
I
don't
find
you
threatening
at
all.
In
fact,
I
find
you
to
be
a
very
fierce
champion
and
someone
that
I
definitely
look
up
to,
and
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
with
us
today,
because
that's
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
get
at
right.
J
It's
intolerable
and
unacceptable,
and
so
let
me
just
say
that
from
the
get-go
and
where
we're
trying
to
to
work
on
discrimination
and
and
fix
some
of
the
policies
that
have
endured,
we
absolutely
have
to
do
that
and
we
need
everyone,
including
local
governments,
including
our
communities,
to
be
behind
us
in
that.
So
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
with
me.
J
So
I'm
happy
to
help,
however,
I
can
in
in
supporting
you
and
your
efforts,
because
I
think
you're
hitting
on
exactly
the
right
things
with
respect
to
the
negotiation
process
and
with
respect
to
discriminatory
practices.
I
think
we
have
to
call
that
out
and
implement
policies
that
will
impact
that,
and
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
and
I'm
not
going
to
tolerate
alongside
you.
Anyone
who
threatens
to
simply
kill.
A
Something
thank
you.
Thank
you
majority
and
thank
you
senator
neal.
I
would
expect
nothing
less
from
you.
A
I
H
It's
okay,
a
lot
of
things
going
on.
In
that
respect,
I
appreciate
the
bill
and
I'm
gonna
have
to
defer
to
individuals
and
traditionally,
in
my
industry
my
father
always
raised
me
that
you
know
salary
was
always
a
very
private
thing.
You
don't
talk
to
people
about
how
much
money
you
make
in
braggadocious.
H
You
also
don't
cry
about
how
much
money
you
make
and
you
just
don't
talk
about
it,
and
that
was
how
I
was
raised
didn't
matter
who
it
was
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
defer
to
the
rest
of
the
group.
H
That's
had
more
similarities
or
more
issues
in
this
realm
than
I
ever
have,
but
in
respect
of
the
one
of
our
fellow
members
of
this
body
that
had
such
an
experience,
I
wish
you
would
just
tell
us
the
county
that
was
crazy
enough
to
indicate
that,
to
her
I
mean
I've
had
people
threaten,
you
know,
kill
my
bills.
Big
deal
didn't
matter,
even
though
I
was
in
the
majority.
H
It's
generally
the
larger
counties
that
seem
to
think
they
can
push
us
legislators
around,
but
if
they
are
in
my
counties,
please
tell
me
so
I
can
try
to
correct
that
injustice
because
it
was
wrong,
and
so
I
guess
that
was
more
of
a
statement
than
a
question
and
I
look
forward
to
trying
to
work
with
everyone
on
this
particular
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you,
senator
sotomayor,
and
let
me
just
say
to
you:
it's
it's
voices
like
yours
that
come
from
a
place
where
you
may
not
experience,
have
the
same
experience
that
senator
neil
had
his
voices
like
yours
that
add
a
powerful
emphasis
to
the
injustices
that
have
been
done
because
you
recognize
it
and
you
too
are
willing
to
call
it
out
as
an
ally.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
did
I
miss
anyone's
hand
question.
I
don't
want
to
do
that
so.
A
Last
last
year,
I
think
it
was
maybe
june
july
I
heard
congressional
representative
stephen
horsford,
say
something
that
has
stuck
with
me
and
that
is
people
keep
saying
after
the
pandemic.
We
have
to
get
back
to
normal
and
his
statement
was.
I
hope
we
don't
because
normal
wasn't
that
good
for
many
people,
not
just
in
this
country,
but
in
this
world
many
people
who
had
been
marginalized,
shooting
by
systems
that
simply
ignored
them
and
ignored
their
crime.
A
So
I
think,
if
I
might
and
majority
leader,
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
probably
building
on
that
statement.
Normal,
wasn't
that
good
for
women
when
it
comes
to
when
it
comes
to
the
subject
of
pay.
You
mentioned
that
march.
A
It
takes
to
march
for
women
to
earn
as
much
march
of
the
next
years
to
for
women
to
earn
as
much
as
their
male
counterparts
in
the
previous
year,
and
that
is
true,
but
is
only
true
for
white
women
because
for
black
women
it
takes
until
august
of
the
next
year
and
for
latinas.
It
takes
till
september
of
the
next
year,
and
so
the
pay
disparity
is
really
prevalent
and
because
it's
not
because
those
numbers
haven't
changed,
at
least
since
I've
been
in
this
building
and
even
before
those
numbers
haven't
changed.
A
It
says
to
me
that
there
there
is
a
there
is
a
culture
that
has
been
calcified
by
normalizing
it
and
by
probably
ignoring
it
or
by
trying
to
demean
it
whatever
the
case
the
it's
there
and
it
should
not
be
there
as
you
state,
it's
not
1821,
it's
not
1921
we're
talking
about
2021
and
so
what
you?
What
you're
doing,
I
think,
brings
a
spotlight
to
that.
Frederick
douglass
said
on
on
one
occasion:
power
concedes,
nothing
without
a
demand,
it
never
did
and
it
never
will.
A
I
want
to
read
something
to
you
and
I
guess
this
is
more
of
a
statement
than
a
question,
but
in
a
march
7th
npr
interview
a
couple
of
things
that
were
said
during
that
time
says:
what's
worse,
among
the
most
impacted
by
long-term
unemployment
are
women
and
people
of
color
who
were
disproportionately
hit
by
layoffs
during
the
pandemic
before
both
groups
were
already
getting
paid
less
before
the
pandemic,
and
now
face
the
risk
of
a
pandemic
hit
to
their
lifetime
earnings,
and
this
is
this-
is
the
piece
that
I
think
struck
me.
A
I
think
I
think
that
that
is
important,
and
so
I
guess
my
my
question
would
be
this.
There
are
various
and
sundry
ways
that
that
some
people
will
try
to
get
around
this
have
have
we
looked
at
some
of
those
some
of
the
things,
and
I
reference
what
senator
neil
just
said.
It's
those
you
know
latent
or
covert
activities
that
really
hurt
progress.
A
The
most
this
session
is
not
like
any,
and
it
appears
to
me
that,
because,
because
of
the
way
that
this
session
has
had
to
operate,
that
there
are
more
and
more
not
just
progressive
bills,
but
more
and
more
pieces
of
legislation
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
that
are
challenging
the
way
it
it
has
always
been.
Have
we
looked
at
all
at
some
of
those
latent
or
cohort
activities
that
could
come
up
that
would
circumvent
what
your
bill
seeks
to
do.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Let
me
begin
by
saying
that
we,
I
certainly
included
in
my
remarks
the
note.
The
note
that
it
is
the
equal
pay
day
or
what
we
refer
to
as
equal
pay
day
in
march
is
on
average,
where
women
are
certainly
not
meant
to
ignore.
J
Nor
disparage,
who
are
systemically
worse
place
than
than
white
women
was
definitely
not
meant.
Oh
yeah
and.
A
I
yeah,
I
didn't
take
it
that
way.
What
I
wanted
to
do
was
punctuate
the
fact
that
you
have
three
tiers
of
of
pay
in
equal
pay
for
women,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
punctuate
what
you
said,
because
some
people
may
just
take
it
as
oh,
okay,
all
right,
but
just
wanted
to
punctuate.
You
know
so.
J
Absolutely
and
thank
you
for
nicole
cannasaro
senate
district
six,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
brought
that
up,
because
certainly
I
what
we
have
what
we
are
talking
about
are
these
very
great
pay
disparities,
not
just
between
women
and
their
male
counterparts,
but
in
particular
women
of
color.
J
And
so
I
think
that
senate
bill
293,
obviously
goes
a
huge
step
in
the
right
direction.
And
what
we're
seeing
where
these
have
been
it
enacted
is
that
it
is
having
the
intended
effect
of
helping
to
level
that
playing
field,
which
I
think
speaks
to
your
notion
that
you
should
be
doing
things
better,
especially
after
a
pandemic
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
mention
and
why.
I
think
this
bill
is
essential.
J
And
how
do
we
start
to
bring
jobs
back,
one
of
the
biggest
ways
that
we
can
help
to
support
working
families
and
to
support
the
communities
we
represent
is
ensuring
that
as
jobs
start
to
come
back
that
we
are
implementing
measures
that
will
ensure
those
families
are
not
being
disparately
impacted,
even
more
so,
especially
where
we
see
that
the
numbers
are
that
women
are
bearing
most
of
the
proportion
of
job
loss
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
especially
and
so
as
we're
looking
at
ways
to
build
back.
How
do
we
build
back
stronger?
J
J
One
of
the
things
that
I
that
I
am
still
working
on
and
trying
to
sort
of
tighten
up
if
you
will
is
ensuring
that
there
aren't
unintended
loopholes
in
this
bill.
Certainly,
it's
not
as
though
we
are
trying
to
prohibit
employers
from
having
negotiations
over
salary,
because
that
is
that
always
plays
into
when
people
are
in
the
midst
of
a
hiring
or
promotion
process.
J
Conversations
around
salary
can
be
appropriate,
but
what
we,
what
we
should
not
be
doing
is
allowing
that
to
be
the
starting
point,
and
so
that's
why
you
see
the
provisions
in
there
about
if,
if
someone
voluntarily
discloses
that,
obviously,
if,
if
an
applicant
comes
in
and
the
there's
no
prompting
from
the
employer
to
to
ask
anything
about
salary
history
or
what
they
have
been
making
or
what
they've
been
paid
in
the
past
and
the
applicant
sits
down
in
the
course
of
that,
interview
says
well
and
also
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
at
my
last
job.
J
I
was
making
I'd
like
to
make.
You
know
this
much
more
at
this
job,
I'm
hoping
you
can
accommodate
me
we're
not
trying
to
create
a
situation
where,
if
that
was
divulged
voluntarily
by
the
prospective
employee
that
the
employer
is
now
in
a
situation
where
they
would
be
facing
penalties
and
and
potentially
have
committed
an
unfair
employment
practice.
J
Similarly,
what
we
don't
want
to
have
done-
and
I
think
this
is
maybe
even
the
bigger
threat
frankly-
is
where
employers
who
are
less
scrupulous
and
who
are
trying
to
find
a
way
around
this
or
who
want
to
perpetuate
pay,
disparity
or
believe
that
because,
for
example,
the
applicant
sitting
in
front
of
them
is
a
woman
of
color.
J
So
she
probably
would
accept
less
and
they
kind
of
go
in
knowing
that
and
want
to
use
that
wage
history
in
order
to
perpetuate
that
and
save
themselves
a
couple
of
bucks
that
we're
not
creating
a
system
where
they
could
ask
a
differently
worded
question
or
sort
of
tease
that
answer
out
of
the
applicant.
So
I
do
think
that
we
need
just
a
little
bit
more
work.
J
J
So
we
can
hold
those
more
of
the
bad
actors,
employers
accountable,
but
where
we
also
are
solving
the
issue.
With
respect
to
salary.
History,
bands
and
how
they
interact
with
employment,
history
and
prospective
employment
and
and
start
to
impact
that
wage
gap.
So
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
more
language
cleanup
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
that
doesn't
happen.
J
A
Thank
you,
ma'am
to
senator
neil's
point
about
increased
cost
to
anyone,
whether
it's
county
or
private
industry.
I
guess
I'm
having
a
difficult
time
trying
to
trying
to
figure
out
how
tethered
to
reality.
That
statement
would
be
if
you're,
simply
hiring
a
person,
and
this
is
the
salary
that
you
know.
A
person
with
this
skill
set
can
do
so
last
thing
that
I'll
say
and
then
I'd
like
to
go
to
the
go
to
the
calls
in
2000.
A
I
believe
it
was.
We
had
a
we
had
a
presentation
by.
I
think
it
was
dhhs
where
they
looked
at
how
students
were
doing
in
school
and
how
they
were
how
the
emotional
quotient
was.
A
It
was
not
increasing
and
I
was
struck
by
the
fact
that
they
said
most
of
the
students
who
lived
in
single
households
did
not
do
as
well
as
students
who
were
in
a
household
where
there
were
two
parents
struck
by
that
because
number
one
there
was
no
acknowledgement
that
sometimes
there
are
two
parents
that
are
the
same
gender,
but
the
other
piece
of
that
was
you
know
what
why?
Why
does
that
happen?
When
we
look
at
when
we
look
at
pay
inequity,
we're
actually
talking
about
it's,
not
a
woman's
issue.
A
It
really
is
an
economic
security
issue
for
for
families.
So
I
asked
the
question:
why
is
that?
What
what
did
you
find
in
your
research
that
connected
the
single
parent
households?
Was
there
anything
that
looked
like
okay?
This
is
probably
one
of
the
reasons,
or
this
is
probably
one
of
the
correlations
and
the
answer
that
I
got
and
I
would
invite
anyone
who
who
doubts?
A
What
I'm
saying
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
but
the
answer
that
I
got
was
most
of
the
single
parent
households
were
headed
by
women
who
had
more
than
one
job.
A
And
so
the
time
that
they
could
spend
with
their
with
the
students
with
their
children
was
significantly
less
than
those
who
had
a
two-parent
household,
even
where
there
was
one
parent
who
had
more
than
one
job,
and
I
know
that
you
know
sometimes
people
say
well,
you
all
are
playing
the
gender
card
and
to
that
my
response
is
we're
playing
the
hand
we
were
dealt
and
if
gender
card
is
in
the
stack,
that's
what
we're
doing
so
broadcast.
A
Please
open
up
the
phone
lines,
we'll
start
with
support
and
15
minutes
for
three
minutes
per
individual.
Thank
you.
B
D
D
We
are
really
excited
to
see
nevada,
finally
joining
the
movement
to
ban
the
harmful
practice
of
reliant
on
salary
history.
This
is
a
really
proactive
measure
that
will
help
inflate
nevada
businesses
against
wage
gaps
arising
in
their
workforce
to
begin
with,
and
thus
decrease
business
exposure
to
equal
pay
lawsuits
and
that's
why
we're
seeing
more
and
more
employers
disavow
this
practice,
including
state
and
local
governments?
D
Moving
away
from
this
practice,
14
states
have
now
passed
salary.
History
bans
like
this
all
with
bipartisan
support
and,
as
the
senator
said,
research
is
already
showing
that
they
are
helping
close
racial
and
gender
wage
gaps
in
those
states,
and
you
know,
as
businesses
seek
to
be
built
and
covered,
and
the
millions
of
women,
particularly
black
women
and
latinos,
who
have
been
forced
out
of
the
workforce
due
to
the
crisis,
seek
to
re-enter
the
workforce.
D
We
want
to
thank
quickly
the
senator
for
working
with
us
and
other
stakeholders
to
address
concerns,
notably
ensuring
that
this
bill
applies
to
all
sizes
of
employers,
not
just
those
with
15
or
more
employees,
as
every
state
that
has
passed
the
salary
history
ban
thus
far
has
made
sure
it
covers
all
employers-
and
this
is
you
know,
an
easy
to
comply
with
provision
regardless
of
employer
size.
Just
don't
ask
for
salary
history,
so
it
should
really
cover
all
employers.
D
We
also
want
to
thank
the
senator
for
working
to
make
sure
the
exception
allowing
employers
to
rely
on
salary.
History
is
volatility,
provided
that
is
an
exception.
We
support.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
become
a
loophole
undercutting
the
goal
of
the
law
and
encourage
this
bill
to
include
language.
Like
we've,
seen
in
some
other
states
saying
that
an
employer
can
rely
on
salary
history
to
support
setting
a
higher
salary
than
they
initially
offered,
and
also
that
it's
important
that
that
reliance
doesn't
create
a
gender-based
wage
gap
which
would
be
unlawful
under
nevada's.
D
B
D
Discriminatory
practices
such
as
requiring
wage
history,
can
negatively
impact
many
applicants
and
lead
to
strong,
diverse
candidates
being
unnecessarily
and
unfairly
overlooked
for
positions
as
well
as
continue
the
inequity,
the
pay
we
see
between
the
wages
of
men
and
women
and
people
of
color.
We
urge
your
support
of
sb
293..
Thank
you.
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
of
the
committee
and
senator
candizarro.
I
am
here
on
speaking
on
behalf
in
support
of
this
bill
with
the
nevada
justice
association,
the
legislative
committee.
As
a
background
to
myself,
I
am
one
of
the
few
employee
rights
attorneys
as
an
employee
employment
lawyer
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
D
This
brilliant
bill
by
senator
katazaro
helps
to
eradicate
such
discrimination,
helps
to
stop
such
harassment
and
is
an
effective
measure
in
dealing
with
the
discrimination
that
individuals
face
today,
based
on
their
status
and
their
protective
status
as
female.
Whereas
minorities,
a
little
bit
of
history,
I
think,
is
probably
appropriate
here
in
the
past.
D
The
outright
discrimination
was
much
more
in
your
face,
was
much
more
objective
and
could
be
clearly
seen
in
light
of
ruth
bazer's
gittenberg's.
Recent
passing.
If
we
look
at
her
history,
she
graduated
top
of
her
class
from
harvard,
and
the
only
position
that
was
available
for
her
for
years
was
a
receptionist.
D
Let's
fast
forward,
50
years
now
and
in
every
day
in
my
practice
and
dealing
with
this.
Unfortunately,
I
see
this
discrimination,
as
senator
cannizzaro
correctly
pointed
out
that
women
only
make
82
percent
of
what
their
male
counterparts
earn,
and
the
statistics
of
senator
canizara
pointed
out
are
much
much
worse
for
minorities,
I'm
even
showing
a
lower
statistic
than
the
64
percent
of
what
miss
canazzaro
pointed
out
according
to
the
department
of
labor,
I'm
showing
that
minorities
only
earn
between
59
and
62
percent
of
their
male
counterparts.
D
So
let's
talk
about
why
this
bill
is
important,
because
I
would
imagine
that
the
opposition
would
say:
what's
the
big
deal
you're
discussing
your
wages,
you
can
ask
what
the
wage
history
is.
You
can
discuss
what
your
anticipated
wages
would
like
to
be
in
the
position
and
what
you
expect
your
wages
to
be
that's
not
the
way
that
happens
in
the
real
working
world
in
the
trenches.
What
I
see
as
an
employee
rights
attorney.
A
Yeah,
carla,
you
can
submit
your
smith
wrestling
remarks
in
writing,
be
happy
to
have
them.
Thank
you.
B
A
And
just
before
they
do,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
we're
we're
giving
three
minutes
to
each
person
who's
calling
and
if
someone
has
already
said
what
you
wanted
to
say,
it's
okay
to
come
in
and
say
ditto
and
whatever
testimony
you
have
that
you
wanted
to
get
on
the
record,
please
submit
it
in
writing.
Okay,
so
thanks
a
lot,
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
get
as
many
people
in
as
we
possibly
can.
Thank
you.
D
B-I-R-G-I-N-I-A-B-A-L-E-N-T-I-N-E
good
morning,
chair
spearman
and
committee
members,
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
resort
association
to
speak
in
support
of
sb
293.
As
you
know,
the
association
represents
some
of
the
largest
employers
in
the
state.
We
agree
with
the
sponsor
that
the
provision
of
this
bill
will
help
level
the
playing
field
for
job
applicants
and
ensure
equity
and
hiring
senator
neil.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
your
passions.
D
I
know
it's
not
easy
to
speak
out,
but
it's
your
legacy
and
you
have
a
such
a
powerful
voice
again,
we'll
just
thank
the
chair
and
committee
in
closing
for
your
time
this
morning,
and
especially
leader
ken
azeroth,
for
bringing
the
bill.
Thank
you.
B
D
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
jessica,
stender,
j
e
s
s,
I
c
a
s,
t
e
s-t-e-n-d-e-r
and
I'm
senior
counsel
for
workplace
justice
and
public
policy
at
equal
rights
advocates.
We
are
very
excited
to
support
this
bill
today
and
thank
the
senator
for
her
leadership
on
this.
As
you've
heard,
women
overall
earn
just
82
cents
to
every
dollar
earned
by
men.
However,
as
we've
been
discussing,
women
of
color
face
a
significantly
larger
wage
gap.
D
This
gap
isn't
only
harmful
to
women,
but
also
to
their
families,
as
women
are
often
the
primary
or
co-breadwinners
in
their
household.
So
these
disparities
are
harmful
to
all,
including
the
overall
economy.
We
are
very
pleased
to
see
that
nevada
will
likely
join
the
growing
number
of
states
that
have
been
already
passing
these
laws
to
ban
inquiry
into
and
reliance
on
salary
history.
D
I
would
just
want
to
note
that
a
growing
number
of
companies
have
already
recognized
the
harm
of
perpetuating
past
pay
discrimination
by
voluntarily
choosing
to
stop
asking
about
prior
salary,
even
when
they're
not
required
to
do
so.
The
society
for
human
resources
management,
a
trusted
resource
for
hr
professionals,
has
declared
that
salary
history
should
not
be
a
factor
in
setting
compensation
and
I'd
like
to
just
align
my
comments
with
some
of
the
other
supporters
who
have
already
called
in
to
support
the
various
potential
amendments
that
the
senator
laid
out.
D
D
B
D
Good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
tess
opfurman,
that's
o
p,
f
e
r
m,
a
n
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby.
I
want
to
express
my
personal
appreciation
to
senator
candizzaro
for
bringing
forward
such
a
reasonable,
unnecessary
bill.
As
a
woman
working
to
move
forward
in
my
career,
I
don't
want
my
salary
history
to
determine
my
future
salary.
It
is
unfair
and
continues
to
contribute
to
pay
inequality
for
women
and
people
of
color.
D
My
experience,
my
qualifications,
my
references
and
interview
are
all
appropriate
ways
to
determine
whether
I
am
capable
of
performing
a
job
and
the
pay
I
should
receive
asking.
What
salary
I
expect
or
need
is
another
appropriate
way
to
decide.
My
pay
rate
asking
about
prior
salary
history
is
not
asking
about
my
salary.
History
is
one
of
the
many
ways
our
employment
system
continues
to
contribute
to
pay
inequality.
D
A
You
broadcast
we
have
about
three
minutes
left.
So
if
we
have
some
more
people
that
want
to
just
come
to
the
mic
and
say
ditto,
we
can
get
more
people
in,
but
we
only
have
three
minutes.
Okay.
If,
if
you
read
your
testimony,
this
will
be
the
last
caller,
but
if
you
can
say
ditto
because
it's
already
been
covered,
we've
got
time
to
get
more
in
thanks
a
lot.
B
D
Good
morning,
my
name
is
marlene,
lockard,
l-o-c-k-a-r-d
and
calling
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby.
We
are
very
much
in
support
of
this
bill.
Much
has
been
said,
but
I
did
want
to
add
as
an
absolutely
startling
figure.
According
to
the
international
women's
policy
research,
if
current
trends
continue
hispanic,
women
will
wait.
D
D
A
Time
think
you
will
move
now
to
opposition
15
minutes
and
three
minutes
per
individual
and
remember
if
someone
has
already
said
what
you
wanted
to
say:
ditto
is
okay,
and
that
way
we
can
get
more
more
comments
on
the
record
proceed
broadcast.
B
B
D
A-L-E-X-I-S-M-O-T-A-R-E-X
with
the
nevada
chapter
associated
general
contractors
representing
the
commercial
construction
industry
in
northern
nevada,
we
are
here
with
some
concerns
about
how
sb
293
is
drafted,
but
not
opposed
to
the
intent.
Egc
believes
that
it
should
not
be
unlawful
for
an
employer
to
merely
seek
information
regarding
prior
pay.
We
feel
there
are
some
circumstances
where
it
is
helpful
to
both
the
prospective
employee
and
employer
to
have
a
clear
understanding
of
wage
history
and
expectations.
D
The
equal
pay
act
seeks
to
prohibit
reliance
on
wage
history
to
protect
against
discrimination.
We
would
like
to
see
the
language
drafted
more.
Similarly,
to
that
section,
1
sub,
sub
1
b
is
a
little
confusing
to
us,
as
written
section
1
sub
a
would
make
make
it
unlawful
to
seek
wage
history.
Thus,
if
an
employer
sought
the
wage
history
and
relied
upon
it,
the
employer
has
already
violated
the
law
by
seeking
the
wage
history,
but
then
section
1
sub
2
states
that
an
employer
is
not
prohibited
from
relying
on
wage
history.
D
If
the
prospective
employee
discloses
it
voluntarily,
these
provisions
seem
to
appear
to
conflict
with
one
another.
And
lastly,
we
have
additional
concern
with
section
1
sub
2.,
the
language
seems
ambiguous
as
to
the
meaning
of,
without
prompting
this
will
likely
be
the
source
of
argument.
Confusion,
employer
says
applicant
offered
their
wage
history
without
prompting
an
applicant
says
the
employer
prompted
quintessential.
She
said
she
said
in
the
course
of
a
job
interview
or
conversation
that
is
likely
not
formally
documented.
D
B
B
D
A-M-D-E-R-S-T-I-D-H-A-M
for
the
henderson
chamber,
we
do
want
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
as
written.
We
do
have
a
concern
about
the
bill,
not
its
overall
intent,
which,
as
a
result,
I
believe
places
us
technically
in
opposition.
First,
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
our
chamber
supports
work,
workplace
access
and
equity.
D
As
a
woman
myself
in
the
workforce
for
nearly
30
years,
I
too
have
experienced
gender
pay
inequity
compared
to
some
of
my
male
counterparts
for
the
same
or
they're
more
junior
position.
These
discussions
do
hit
close
to
home,
but
we
do
support
good
employers
to
comply
with
federal
anti-discrimination,
employment
laws
that
are
in
place,
especially
those
based
on
sex
and
race.
Two
aspects
outlined
by
the
bill
sponsor
during
our
opening
remarks.
D
What
we're
concerned
about
is
the
bills
and
attorneys
fees
and
investigative
costs
toward
the
outlined
in
the
bill
and
those
employers,
namely
our
smaller
businesses,
who
may
have
either
made
an
unconscious
or
honest
mistake
or
those
who
have
had
a
false
claim
brought
against
them
and
would
need
to
undergo
the
costly
remedy
process
outlined
within
the
bill
versus,
say,
pursuing
a
private
right
of
civil
action.
A
legal
process
we
believe,
could
be
more
palatable
for
all
parties.
That's
our
primary
concern
at
the
time.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
share
our
comments.
B
B
B
B
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
If
that
was
an
inadvertent
hang-up
for
the
caller.
Who
was
there,
you
feel
free
to
submit
your
testimony
in
writing
and
we
will
include
it
in
the
record,
and
so
now
we
will
go
to
those
justifying
neutral,
15
minutes
and
three
minutes
per
person
and
if
the
person
ahead
of
you,
someone
ahead
of
you,
has
already
stated
what
you
want
to
say.
Ditto
is
a
good
response.
If
you
don't
say
ditto
and
then
add
more
information,
that's
good
too.
Fifteen
minutes
three
minutes
per
individual.
Thank
you.
B
D
Good
morning
chairs
good
morning,
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
paul
moratkin
m-o-r-a-d
with
the
vegas
chamber.
I
would
like
to
thank
the
senate
majority
leader
for
discussing
and
meeting
with
this
chamber
regarding
sbg93
in
regards
to
the
bell.
The
chamber
is
neutral
as
introduced.
The
vegas
chamber
is
the
state's
largest
and
broadest
business
association
and
supports
the
principle
that
there
should
be
an
equal
pay
between
employees
for
equal
work,
regardless
of
their
their
gender,
and
we
have
no
issue
with
the
bill.
D
We
believe
sb
293
looks
to
codify
the
ninth
circuit
court
ruling
of
resid
versus
vienno
in
2020,
as
it
relates
to
wage
history.
That
court
case
to
our
understanding,
directed
employers
would
not
be
able
to
ask
about
weight
history
from
prospective
employees
as
part
of
the
application
process.
We
view
as
sb
293
would
and
would
align
state
law
with
that
ruling
and
codify
that
ruling.
We
believe
this
bill
is
well
balanced
for
both
employees
and
employers.
We
believe
this.
D
B
B
D
For
the
record,
christopher
sewell,
chief
operating
officer
and
legislative
liaison
for
dieter,
we
want
to
thank
the
majority
leader
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
dieter
and
nerk
stand
ready
to
assist
the
majority
leader
with
this
bill.
Whatever
she
needs
from
our
agency.
Thank.
B
D
N-I-C-K-V-A-N-D-E-R-P-O-E-L
with
capital
partners
calling
today
on
behalf
of
the
reno
sparks
chamber
of
commerce
calling
as
neutral,
we
appreciate
the
senate
majority
leader,
bringing
this
legislation
forward
and
working
with
interested
parties
and
and
save
time
for
the
committee.
A
lot
of
ditto
of
what
my
colleague
from
the
vegas
chamber
said.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
So
much
are
there
any
questions
from
committee
members
this
time.
A
I
don't
see
any
hands
and
a
majority
leader.
You
have
any
closing
comments.
J
I
just
wanted
to
again
thank
the
committee
for
having
me
here
today
to
present
what
I
do
really
feel
is
an
important
piece
of
legislation
that
that
that
goes
a
long
way
in
helping
to
actually
equalize
where
we
are
in
terms
of
paid
discrimination.
J
I
again
want
to
thank
senator
neil
for
expressing
her
her
own
opinions
and
and
for
sharing
the
ways
in
which
she
has
been
treated
with
similar
legislation,
and
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
speaks
to
why
we
have
to
take
every
opportunity
to
combat
this,
and
I'm
hopeful
that
I
can
not
only
work
alongside
her
with
this
bill,
but
also
with
the
other
bills
that
can
help
to
target
discrimination
in
the
workplace
so
that
we
can
get
working
families
back
on
their
feet.
J
J
Definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
loopholes
or
that
we
don't
leave
folks
in
a
lurch,
wondering
what
is
permitted
and
what
is
not
permitted,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
work
on
some
of
those
definitions,
and
I
would
expect
an
amendment
to
address
some
of
those
concerns,
but
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
what
my
intent
is
with
this
bill,
which
is
to
implement
some
of
the
policies
that
we
know
can
have
an
impact
on
the
wage
gap
and
that
that
is
something
that
we
absolutely
have
to
do
period.
J
And
so
I
appreciate
you
being
willing
to.
Let
me
take
up
so
much
of
the
committee's
time
this
morning.
I
think
it's
an
important
discussion
and-
and
just
really
really
do
want
to
thank
everyone
for
for
being
engaged
and
interested
in
this
topic.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you.
I
was
just
in
by
saying
I
had
a
friend
who
was
a
helicopter
pilot
in
korea
and
he
said
to
me
after
you
know
the
mechanics
go
through
and
they
check
everything
before
they
take
off
in
flight,
and
he
said
he
always
goes
behind
him
and
looks
at
the
screws
or
the
washers
or
whatever.
He
looks
at
those
little
small
parts
and
I
said
why
he
said,
because
those
are
the
ones
if
you
don't
pay
attention
to
them.
A
A
B
A
Thank
you
ma'am.
I
just
want
to
thank
all
the
members
of
the
committee
for
going
the
extra
mile.
We
usually
meet
three
days
a
week
and
this
week
we're
meeting
five.
We
may
have
to
do
that
next
week,
but
thank
you
all
for
going
the
the
extra
mile
while
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
many
bills
heard
as
possible
and
get
them
out
of
the
committee.
A
So
your
your
persistence
in
this
matter
is
well
appreciated
by
me,
and
so
with
that
we
will
call
this
hearing
to
a
close
and
we'll
be
right
back
at
it.
Eight
o'clock
tomorrow
thanks
a
lot.
We
are.