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A
All
right,
I
will
call
the
meeting
of
senate
government
affairs
to
order
good
afternoon
and
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and
thanks
to
everybody,
that's
joining
us
online
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appreciate
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participation
members.
Please
remember
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mute
your
microphone
when
we
are
not
speaking
and
will
the
secretary,
please
call
the
role.
A
Here,
thank
you
very
much.
All
members
are
present,
and
so
before
we
begin,
this
will
probably
be
my
last
meeting
where
I
give
you
all
the
once
over
on
nellis,
but
I
want
to
once
again
remind
those
that
are
watching
just
a
reminder.
Our
legislative
building
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closed
and
but,
as
in
previous
sessions,
we
are
available.
A
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committee
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nellis
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even
in
this
virtual
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A
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A
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A
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A
We
will
have
a
period
of
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
public
comment
and
bill.
Testimony
comment
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes
per
speaker
today.
The
committee
will
receive
two
presentations
to
begin
with
and
we
will
have
one
from
the
nevada
league
of
cities
and
municipalities
and
we
will
hear
from
our
very
own
carson
city
so
and
then,
when
we're
done
with
those
we'll
hear
senate
bill
87..
A
So
it
is
my
understanding.
Wesley
harper,
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
league
of
cities
and
municipalities
will
be
providing
our
first
presentation
and
mr
harper
welcome
and
please
begin
when
you
are
ready.
C
C
C
A
C
C
C
C
Here's
the
list
of
of
our
members,
the
cities,
towns
and
general
improvement
districts
of
nevada,
our
executive
officers.
So
we
have
an
executive
board
made
up
of
seven
members.
These
four
members
serve
as
the
officers.
Our
current
president
is
christopher,
dare
he
is
also
councilman
of
ward
5
for
the
city
of
sparks
our
vice
president
is
cedric
career
he's
also
councilman
for
ward
5
for
the
city
of
las
vegas
secretary
treasurer
john
sheridan,
trustee
for
gardnerville
ranchos
general
improvement
district.
Our
immediate
past
president
is
daniel.
C
Corona,
mayor
of
the
city
of
west
windover,
our
executive
offices
work
is
the
secretary.
Treasurer
is
elected
by
the
board
of
directors,
and
then
each
year
the
secretary
treasurer
secretary
treasurer
the
next
year
becomes
vice
president.
The
vice
president
then
becomes
the
president
and
then
the
president
becomes
the
immediate
past
president.
C
We
have
three
at
large
positions
representing
three
essentially
different
sized
tiers
of
city
cities
are
at
large
at
large
for
larger
cities.
Is
michelle
romero
who's
councilwoman
for
the
city
of
henderson
at
large?
For
what
I
would
say,
medium
cities
is
lori.
Bagwell
who's,
the
mayor
of
carson
city
and
at
large,
for
our
smaller
cities
is
kelly,
frost,
she's,
councilwoman
for
the
city
of
fallon.
C
Our
members
provide
a
wide
range
of
services
to
the
residents
of
nevada,
including
public
safety,
recreational
programs
planning
zoning
and
code
enforcement
and
urban
development,
cultural
affairs
and
other
community
services
all
together.
Our
members
are
the
first
line
provider
for
government
services
for
over
1.7
nevadans.
C
These
are
our
shared
constituents
and
the
services
that
the
nevada
league
of
cities
and
municipalities
provide
to
our
members
has
to
do
with
advocacy
with
nevada
legislature
and
also
our
federal
delegation
in
congress,
with
federal
agencies
and
state
agencies,
as
well
educational
workshops
for
credentialing,
quarterly
board
of
directors
meetings.
We
have
an
annual
conference
this
year.
It
will
be
in
sparks
nevada
in
in
august.
I
hope
everyone
can
attend.
We
also
participate
actively
in
the
nasa
league
of
cities
and
as
well
as
various
steering
committees
with
the
nlc
and
advisory
committees.
C
This
legislative
session,
the
league,
has
put
forth
three
bills
for
consideration.
Two
in
committee
with
the
assembly,
one
in
committee
with
the
senate.
Ab3,
is
a
bill
that
looks
to
it's
a
permissive
bill
that
looks
to
allow
the
digital
and
electronic
transmissions
of
maps
for
the
real
purpose
of
the
ability
to
streamline
the
real
estate
development
process.
C
Ab63
is
also
with
the
assembly
government
affairs
committee
and
the
intention
there
is
to
widen
the
definition
of
permissible
access
to
rainy
day
funds
from
just
natural
resources
to
other
emergencies.
This
is
one
of
those
lessons
of
the
pandemic
where,
if
we
intended
or
needed
to
access
the
rainy
day
fund,
the
language
in
nrs
actually
does
not
specifically
allow
us
to
do
so
and
then
sb64,
which
is
going
before
the
revenue
and
economic
development
committee
of
the
senate.
This
examines
and
makes
suggestions
for
changes
to
real
property
tax.
C
Our
federal
priorities,
in
addition
to
receiving
and
looking
for
direct
funding
from
the
federal
government
in
order
to
provide
budget
stabilization,
is
a
direct
allocation
for
infrastructure
projects,
also
looking
to
maintain
the
tax
exempt
status
for
municipal
bonds,
workforce
housing
access,
the
federal
banking
system
for
state
legal
marijuana
businesses,
which
is
an
issue
that
I
think
all
of
us
can
appreciate
the
5g
preemption,
and
also
to
maintain
the
cdbg
funding
formula
for
cities
of
less
than
50
000
residents,
as
well
as
the
formula
for
cities
of
greater
than
50
000
residents.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
information
committee
members.
Any
questions
from
any
of
you.
B
Madam
chair,
mr
harper,
it's
a
simple
question:
what
is
5g
preemption.
C
Essay
good
question:
thank
you
for
the
question,
neil
again
wesley
harper
for
the
record,
so
the
federal
government
has
made
5g
rollout
of
priority
as
a
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
get
this
on
district
make
5g
a
priority
for
essentially
public
service.
This
is
the
next
technology
available
for
cellular
communication.
C
There's
a
difference
in
how
the
architecture
and
infrastructure
for
5g
is
rolled
out
versus
existing
technology,
and,
to
put
it
simply,
the
l
towers
required
to
give
a
45g
footwear
have
to
be
closer
together
than
the
cell
towers
for
existing
mentality
and,
if
you're
interested
in
a
deeper
dive
as
to
why
I'm
happy
to
explain
it,
but
bottom
line
is
they
have
to
be
closer.
Federal
government
gave
these
cellular
carriers
essentially.
C
The
latitude
to
build
out
5g
as
they
see
it
in
an
effort
to
efficiently
roll
out
the
technology
throughout
the
country.
Prior
to
this,
when
a
company
wanted
to
erect
a
cell
phone
tower,
they
needed
local
approval
just
like
anybody
that
wanted
to
build
any
infrastructure
within
a
municipality
or
account.
C
What
the
fcc
has
done
is
given
permission
for
for
the
companies
to
have
a
preemptive
right
to
build,
so,
instead
of
them
having
to
come
to
the
city
and
get
permission
first,
the
presumption
is
if
this
is
the
best
place
for
it
to
be.
The
city's
got
to
prove
that
this
location
for
a
tower
is
a
location
that
does
not
work
for
zonings
and
planning
residential
nutrients,
etc.
C
So
it
shifts
the
presumption
before
it
was
a
request
that
the
cellular
phone
companies
had
to
make
sure
to
know
the
power
now
that
it
is
somehow
in
violation
of
public
welfare
or
zoning
practices,
and
so
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
have
more
of
a
set
and
where
those
towers
are
going.
I
hope
that
was
a
big
answer.
A
Any
questions
from
other
members
of
our
committee
senator
vice
chair
orange
shaw.
Please.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
dondero
loop
and
thank
you,
mr
harper,
for
the
presentation,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
the
tremendous
work
the
cities
have
been
doing
during
the
pandemic,
trying
to
do
more
with
less
and
try
to
serve.
You
know
your
constituents
and
try
to
keep
them
safe
during
the
pandemic,
and
in
that
vein,
with
your
service
on
the
national
association
of
cities,
I
just
wonder:
do
you
feel
like
there?
D
There
will
be
some
assistance
to
the
cities
coming
from
washington,
or
is
that
the
expectation
or
the
hope
that
that
hopefully
there
will
be
some
help
coming?
You
know
this
year,
or
is
it
just
wonder
if
you
had
any
comment
about
that.
C
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair
for
the
question
again
wesley
harper
for
the
record,
the
battle
league
of
cities.
The
short
answer
is
yes.
We
are
expecting
that
the
american
rescue
plan
will
provide
direct
funding
to
cities
and
we
have
been
essentially
as
much
as
you
can
be
told
and
assured
that
this
is
the
intention
of
congress
and
the
president.
C
We
have
been
told
that
so
we
are
very
much
looking
forward
to
direct
distribution
and
allocations
of
funds,
the
actual
funding
formula
and
and
how
those
funds
will
be
distributed,
especially
cities
that
are
that
have
populations
of
50,
000
or
less.
My
understanding
is
still
under
review.
We
certainly
have
opinions
about
that.
Our
hope
is
that
essentially,
the
cities
efficiently
receive
any
direct
federal
funds.
D
Well,
thank
you,
mr
harper.
Thank
you
chaired
under
a
loop
and
I
hope
it
comes
soon.
A
Thank
you
any
additional
questions
from
the
committee
members,
so
I
have
one
mr
harper,
can
you
explain
why
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
just
for
people
listening
why
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
is
not
included
within
your
group.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
wesley,
hopper,
again
for
the
record
nevada
league
of
cities.
North
las
vegas
was
a
member
of
the
nevada
league
of
cities.
Up
until
I
want
to
say
about
two
years
ago,
they
left
the
association
prior
to
my
joining
as
executive
director.
C
They
didn't
think
that
that
was
the
case,
so
part
of
my
job
is
to
show
them
that
being
part
of
the
nevada
league
of
cities
is
a
valuable
membership
for
them
to
join
and
that
the
services
and
advocacy
that
we
provide
would
be
a
benefit
to
north
las
vegas.
To
the
extent
that
it
is
worth
the
call.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Well
seeing
no
more
questions
from
our
committee.
I
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
your
time
today
and
give
us
giving
us
that
presentation.
A
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
so
now
hearing
no
more
questions,
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
presentation
and
our
very
own
capital,
carson
city
and
we're
going
to
hear
this
presentation
and
when
I
believe
we
have
miss
paulson,
the
city
manager
is
going
to
be
presenting,
and
if
that
is
correct,
when
you're
ready,
please
go
ahead.
Carson
city
is
our
own,
only
consolidated
municipality.
E
E
E
The
city's
powers
are
contained
in
the
carson
city
charter
and
in
addition
to
in
our,
in
addition
to
any
of
the
powers
that
are
grounded
to
both
a
city
and
a
county
pursuant
to
nrs.
E
E
E
So
some
of
the
many
functions
that
the
city's
larger
departments
perform.
I
have
listed
on
the
next
few
slides
this.
The
community
development
department
is
responsible
for
managing
the
construction,
permitting
process
issuing
business
licenses,
city,
zoning,
the
subdivision,
land
development
process
and
growth
management.
This
picture
was
taken
taken
at
the
grand
breaking
ceremony
of
the
south,
carson
complete
streets
project
and
later
on,
we'll
see
the
the
finished
product.
E
E
This
picture
shows
the
streets
division,
which
is
responsible
for
maintaining
the
city
streets,
signs,
pavement
markings
and
traffic
signals,
probably
the
biggest
challenge
for
the
city
and
local
governments.
I'm
sure
across
the
country
is
the
ability
to
maintain
our
streets
with
the
limited
amount
of
revenue
we
receive
from
the
fuel
taxes.
E
Thanks
to
senate
bill
48
that
was
passed
in
the
last
legislative
session,
the
city
was
able
to
level
a
levy,
a
5
cent
diesel
fuel
tax
last
year,
while
that
only
provides
about
400
000
in
revenue,
every
we'll
take
any
little
bit
that
we
can
get.
Unfortunately,
this
fiscal
year
we
have
had
a
decline
in
our
fuel
tax
revenue
due
to
the
stay-at-home
orders
and
then
many
more
employees
working
from
home.
So
the
board
did
elect
to
transfer
400
000
from
our
general
fund
to
cover
those
expected
losses.
E
E
E
There
were
so
many
people
up
on
the
trails.
We
had
to
actually
start
policing
the
trails
which
we
never
thought
we
really
would
have
to
do
so.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
carson
river
trail
that
was
completed
in
october
2020,
and
this
is
part
of
a
network
of
trails
that
connects
residents
to
almost
5
000
acres
of
open
space
within
the
carson
river
prison
hill
area.
E
E
E
We
anticipated,
like,
I
think
betty-
did-
that
our
sales
tax
revenue
would
drop
significantly.
So,
for
the
last
four
months
of
fiscal
20,
we
dropped
our
revenue
projections
for
sales
tax
by
3
million,
and
then
we
cut
another,
almost
4
million
for
this
fiscal
year
that
we're
in
now.
So
these
budget
cuts
essentially
wiped
out
our
planned
capital
budget
for
21,
but
thanks
to
all
the
federal
aid
that
was
being
pumped
into
the
economy,
such
as
the
paycheck
protection
program
for
city
businesses,
the
additional
pandemic,
unemployment
compensation,
the
cares,
act,
funding
and
the
stimulus
checks.
E
E
The
next
one
down
is
general
government
at
almost
25
percent,
and
that
includes
all
the
departments
at
city
hall,
finance
it
hr,
city
manager,
assessor
assessor,
treasurer,
the
d.a
mini
development
and
facilities,
though,
although
the
pandemic
forced
us
to
change
the
way
we
provided
services
to
the
public,
the
city
has
remained
fully
functioning
throughout
the
entire
pandemic
and
we
were
just
closed
for
two
months
to
the
public.
I
think
between
march
and
may.
E
All
right
switching
gears
a
little
bit.
Let's
talk
about
development
in
carson
city,
so
why
we're
constrained
by
a
very
small
geographical
area,
development
in
carson
city
is
going
strong
with
construction
deemed
an
essential
business.
Covid
really
had
little
effect
on
the
many
projects
that
were
going
around
on
around
carson
city.
E
E
E
E
E
E
So,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
the
state
owned
the
prime
piece
of
real
estate
along
this
corridor.
It's
the
site
of
the
old
national
guard
armory,
it's
pretty
much
at
the
end
where
the
street
starts
to
turn
there
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
that
property
development
developed
to
continue
improving
this
very
important
and
vibrant
corridor
in
carson
city.
E
Our
health
department
is
health
and
human
services
is
a
department
of
the
city
under
the
direction
of
the
health
director.
Nrs
requires
each
county
to
establish
a
county
board
of
health.
That's
made
up
of
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
which
is
the
board
of
supervisors.
In
our
case,
the
sheriff
and
the
county
health
officer,
the
county
health
officer,
is
appointed
by
the
board
of
supervisors.
We
just
appointed
a
new
one
and
acts
as
the
chair
of
the
board
of
health.
E
E
A
little
bit
about
the
health
department's
budget,
the
budget
is
approximately
9.4
million,
and
this
is
an
increase
of
over
3
million.
Due
to
the
influx
of
the
grants
that
we
received
to
fight
the
covid19
pandemic,
staffing
at
the
health
department
was
about
38,
full-time
employees
and
they're
currently
up
to
66,
and
I
bet
there's
probably
even
more
now-
and
this
doesn't
even
include
the
mini
national
guard
and
the
fema
employees-
that
we
are
so
thankful
to
have
helping
us
with
the
testing
and
vaccines.
E
E
Just
a
little
on
the
the
time
frame
for
our
covid
response.
As
you
can
see,
we've
now
reached
the
the
one
year
we're
finally
over
one
year
now
with
covid,
because
this
is
a
public
health
emergency.
The
public
health
preparedness
division
of
the
health
department
is
leading
the
covid
response
and
in
february
they
initiated
a
department
operations
center
by
the
middle
of
march.
E
So
many
of
you
might
not
know
that,
while
the
health
department
is
actually
housed
in
carson
city,
we
perform
perform
many
services
for
the
other
three
counties,
most
notably
as
covid19
testing
the
contact,
tracing
and
vaccinations.
E
The
population
of
the
quad
counties
is
approximately
169
000.
on
may
5th.
The
health
department
held
the
first
community
testing
event,
I'm
sorry,
may
5th
2020.
the
health
department
held
the
first
community
testing
event
and
have
conducted
95
testing
events
throughout
the
four
counties
since
then,
and
they
also
continue
to
test
monday
through
friday.
At
the
health
department,
as
of
yesterday,
the
quad
counties
have
reported
11,
161
positive
cases
of
which
2106
are
currently
active
and
unfortunately,
we've
had
207
deaths
on
may
24th.
E
We
held
the
first
community
vaccination
event
and
have
now
conducted
47
events
throughout
the
car,
the
quad
counties.
As
of
monday,
we
have
received
17
250
doses
of
the
vaccine,
we've
administered
14,
540
doses.
The
difference
is
just
the
remaining
doses
that
will
be
administered
this
week.
E
Our
allocation
for
the
quad
counties
has
increased
approx.
Approximately
10
percent,
with
almost
1700
doses
in
recent
weeks,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
we'll,
see,
increases
in
our
allocation,
because
the
health
department
and
the
quad
counties
are
prepared
to
ramp
up
to
administer
at
least
7
000
vaccines
a
week,
and
that's
thanks
to
the
city,
county
and
state
government
partners
or
hospitals
and
medical
groups,
the
national
guard
and
the
many
volunteers,
and
then
just
another
thing
to
note
on
this.
Covid
response
is
that
it
has
been
100
grant.
E
E
The
city
received
a
total
of
10.2
million.
In
cares,
act
funding
that
was
passed
through
from
the
state.
We
were
able
to
use
every
last
dollar
of
that
and
to
offset
city
covent
costs
of
about
4.8
million.
We
supported
our
local
businesses
with
ppe
and
sanitation
supplies,
500
000.
We
provided
funding
to
the
school
district,
a
little
over
1.5
million
arson
city
non-profits,
1
million
and
the
carson
tahoe
regional
medical
center.
I
received
2.35.
E
Million
so
because
health
and
human
services
is
providing
the
emergency
response
for
all
the
quad
counties,
they're
constantly
having
to
take
their
show
on
the
road,
so,
whether
it's
sunny
or
snowy
day,
their
show
must
go
on.
The
picture
in
the
bottom
right
was
an
event
in
douglas
county.
That
was
in
the
middle
of
a
snowstorm,
I
think,
probably
after
that
event
and
the
unpredictable
weather
in
northern
nevada,
the
health
department
is
working
on
securing
large
indoor
facilities
in
each
of
the
four
counties
so
that
we
can
accommodate
large
vaccine
events.
A
And
I'll,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
being
such
a
wonderful
place
to
live,
and
I've
had
many
family
over
the
years
that
have
lived
here,
starting
in
1947
with
my
parents
and
my
brother
and
many
others.
So
it's
true
to
the
the
name
of
nevada.
So
thank
you
very
much
any
questions
from
our
committee
members
did,
I
see
your
hand,
senator
hansen,
please.
F
Thank
you,
bob
nancy,
great
presentation
you
know
carson
always
has
the
feel
that
it's
really
a
very
well
run
city,
and
it
certainly
looks
like
it
from
that.
You
mentioned
earlier
in
the
presentation
that
carson
city
government
offices
are
only
shut
down
for
a
couple
of
months.
F
Did
I
hear
that
right
and
if
that
is
true,
what
were
you
opening
at
25
35?
How
did
that
work
out.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
through
you
to
senator
hansen.
Yes,
so
we
we
all
of
our
city
offices,
were
closed
to
the
public,
but
many
employees
still
remain
working.
E
Almost
all
of
city
hall
employees
were
were
coming
to
work
physically.
We
did
have,
I
think,
at
any
one
time,
maybe
200
employees
that
were
working
from
home
and
and
and
now
there's
still
some
working
from
home.
Once
the
governor
went
into
the
statewide
paws
and
just
to
have
the
social
distancing,
we
had
people
start
to
work
from
home
again.
E
F
And
since
may,
have
you
guys
had
any
spike
in
staff
issues
with
having
covet
or
anything?
The
reason
you
know
we're
still
shut
down
here.
You
guys
are
open
we're
in
the
same
city.
F
I
assume
our
staff
is
very
similar
to
your
staff
as
far
as
their
health
issues
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
that
we
should
open
up
the
building
frankly,
and
so,
when
I
hear
you
guys
have
been
open
in
this
city
open
to
the
public
now
for
months
and
without
apparently
any
spike
in
cobit
or
any
unusual
outbreaks
of
cobot
among
your
own
people.
I
I
just
think
it's
a
great
example
for
us
as
to
why
we
need
to
do
the
same
thing
in
this
very
city.
F
So
that's
why
I
was
asking,
but
thank
you
for
being
open
to
the
public.
I
think
that's
a
great
great
example
for
all
of
us
here
in
legislature
as
well
that
we
need
to
do
our
best
to
facilitate
the
needs
of
the
people
that
we
serve,
which
here
in
the
legislature,
is,
of
course,
the
citizens
of
the
state
of
nevada.
So
thanks
for
that
example,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
presentation
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
allowing
that
question.
A
Thank
you,
senator
hanson.
I
would
just
remind
you
that
a
thousand
people
in
this
building
is
probably
different
than
50
people
in
a
county
building
or
a
dmv
or
whatever.
It
might
be
so
appreciate
the
comment
senator
neil,
please
thank
you.
B
Madam
chair,
so
I
had
a
question.
It
was
on
the
property
tax,
so
32
of
your
budget
is
property
tax.
So
I
just
wonder
how
is
the
the
government,
I
guess,
planning
for
the
future?
I
see
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
new
construction.
B
That
was
in
your
slide
and
what
I'm
thinking
is
you
know
new
construction
that
first
year
it's
not
abated
and
then,
after
that,
it's
abated
so
you're
going
to
see
a
spike
and
then
you're
going
to
see
a
leveling
out,
and
so
I'm
wondering,
if
you're
planning
your
budget
to
be
a
little
bit
more
conservative,
knowing
that
your
growth
is
going
to
plateau
and
then
you're
not
going
to
see
the
same
influx
because
it's
going
to
be
abated
to
a
degree
with
all
of
this
growth.
E
Madam
chair,
through
you
to
senator
neil,
you
may
go
down.
Okay,
thank
you
yeah,
so
the
property
tax,
definitely,
you
know,
has
been
very
slow
and
steady
because
of
the
abatements.
E
You
know
over
the
last,
let's
see
over
the
last
several
years,
we've
only
seen
like
between
one
and
five
percent
increases
since
fiscal
year
14.
as
you
can
see
well
the
property
tax.
I
have
a
slide
here
that
if
you
look
between
2014
2020,
it's
only
increased
4.8
million
and
you
see
a
much
larger
increase
in
the
sales
tax
revenue.
So
we
we
pretty
much
know
that
these
sales
tax
that
has
come
in
in
the
recent
year
is
going
to
be
one-shot
funding.
E
So
what
we
do
is
we're
taking
any
excess
funding
and
we're
trying
to
build
up
our
ending
fund
balance
in
the
general
fund
and
we're
also
moving
some
of
that
excess
revenue
into
our
extraordinary
maintenance
fund,
so
that
we
continue
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
take
care
of
our.
You
know,
deferred
maintenance
and
our
capital
needs.
Even
if
we
were
to
go
into
a
recession.
A
You
very
much
and
one
last
questions
vice
chair
orange
shawl.
If
you
make
it
a
quick
one,.
D
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
the
county,
the
county,
the
city
manager,
paulson
quick
question.
I
know
carson
city
is,
you
know
very
popular
for
retirees
to
move
to
and
probably
has
one
of
our
old,
older
populations
of
all
the
counties.
What
kind
of
response
are
you
finding
now
that
the
vaccine's
been
available?
Are
people
wanting
to
get
it
willing
to
get
it?
Are
you
finding
hesitancy
for
people
to
get
the
covet
vaccine
here
in
carson
city.
E
I
think
what
we're
seeing
senator
is
it's
probably
about
a
50-50
on.
E
I
probably
need
to
talk
to
the
health
department
to
get
a
better
stat
than
that,
but
I
know
definitely
a
lot
of
the
when
we're
the
70-plus
population
is
very
thankful
to
us
to
be
able
to
get
that
vaccine
this
week,
we've
just
started
vaccinating
the
continuity
continuity
of
governance,
and
so
that
includes
many
of
the
city
employees.
Also,
that
answer
your
questions.
A
A
Thank
you
have
a
good
afternoon
and
with
that
I'll
move
on
to
senate
bill
87,
this
measure
revises
provisions
relating
to
certain
state
properties
and,
if
senator
gokujia,
senator
dennis
chase
woodmore
and
mark
bassett
would
get
yourselves
in
line
to
present
the
bill,
please
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
G
G
G
G
The
goal
would
to
be
properly
store
them,
display
them
and
digitize
them
for
public
benefit,
and
on
a
personal
note,
several
years
ago,
my
my
youngest
was
really
into
railroads
and
we
had
made
a
goal
as
a
family
to
to
go
to
all
the
railroad
museums
in
nevada,
and
we
had
an
opportunity
to
go
the
one
in
boulder
city,
the
one
here
in
carson
city
and
and
the
one
in
ely.
G
G
I
think
what
was
originally
intended
way
back
when
they,
when,
when
they
tried
to
do
this
and
as
they
haven't,
been
able
to
fund
everything
the
way
we
would
love
to
do
that,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
do
something
for
the
museum
and
for
the
city
of
ely.
That
well,
I
think,
will
bring
tourism
and
it
will
help
preserve
the
railroad
and
and
make
it
all
a
seamless.
G
Because
I
remember
when
we
went
as
a
family
that
there's
actually
two
museums,
there's
the
foundation
and
then
there's
a
state
museum,
and
this
would
combine
those
and
make
it
a
more
seamless
visit
when
you
go
to
the
museum,
which
I
think,
would
it's
a
little
confusing
when
you
go
now
because
of
the
two,
but
this
would
make
it
all
one
seamless
experience
as
you
go
out
there
so
with
that.
G
In
conclusion,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
sb
87
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
turn
over
some
time
to
my
colleague,
senator
pete
gokuchiya,
who
represent
senate
state
senate
district
19
and
chase
whittemore
for
more
information
about
the
bill
and
to
address
any
questions
related
to
the
technical
aspects
of
the
measure.
Thank
you.
H
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
here
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
on
sb
87.
Clearly
it
is
in
my
district
and
I'm
probably
more
familiar
with
the
freight
bar
than
anyone
in
this
building.
Today
I've
spent
lots
of
hours
there
and
there's
about
three
people
that
in
iliya,
pete,
paris,
grace
newaldi
and
myself
that
we
called
it
the
wool
shed,
I
mean
that's
where
you
loaded
train
loads
of
wool.
H
In
our
younger
years,
I
spent
a
lot
of
hours
there
pushing
the
little
railroad
cars,
those
hand,
trucks
with
350
pound
bags
of
wool
on
them
out
to
the
rails
out
to
the
box,
cars
and
stacked
from
3i
in
there
pete
paris-
and
I
were
having
that
conversation
today
so
again
when
we
talked
to
freight
shed
in
my
mind,
it
is
the
wool
shed.
Clearly,
it's
been
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
times
there
and
a
lot
of
hard
work
went
into
it.
H
From
my
perspective-
and
this
has
been
ongoing,
the
debate
between
the
rail
foundation
and
the
museum
again
transferred
in
85
to
the
to
the
city
and
the
rail
foundation
in
1990
went
to
the
state
and,
unfortunately,
the
state,
overly
especially
the
last
best
decade,
clearly
hasn't
had
the
ability
or
and
the
dollars
to
to
bring
the
facility
to
where
it
needs
to
be,
and
you
have
to
understand
when
a
train
if
the
train
goes
away,
that
is
the
attraction
the
the
museum
in
the
second
floor
of
that
depot
building
is
not
really
going
to
draw.
H
I
think,
last
year
I
think
our
visitor
numbers
there
to
the
actual
museum
or
someplace
just
north
of
5000.
That
clearly
is
not
going
to
fund
it.
It's
not
going
to
get
us
there
and
I
might
be
even
off
that
might
have
been
1990
numbers.
I
doubt
if
they
were
that
that
high
last
last
year.
So
at
this
point,
when
senator
dennis
reached
out
to
me
and
with
his
thoughts
on
bringing
the
bill,
I
actually
went
out
and
circulated
through
the
comm
community.
H
I
know
most
of
the
foundation
members
and
clearly
I
think
at
this
point
the
community
and
myself
as
well
believe,
especially
with
the
settlement
with
sns
and
the
fact
that
both
the
foundation
and
the
city
will
have
some
funds
to
put
into
it.
It's
time
to
change
the
course,
and
I
think
the
community
clearly
will
be
better
served.
H
You
know
the
freight
barn,
as
as
it
goes
by
today,
clearly
has
the
ability
there
are
some
events
held
there,
wedding
receptions
and
like
that,
but
it's
on
a
very
limited
basis.
I
know
the
community
wants
to
see
that
open
functioning.
I
know
I'm
going
to
say
the
east
end
of
that
freight
barn.
Woolshed
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
exhibits
in
there.
The
last
time
I
was
in
it
are
only
partially
put
up.
It
needs
to
be
completed.
It
needs
to
be
open
to
the
to
the
public.
H
Clearly,
the
rail
foundation
is
the
crown
jewel,
but
we
need
to
show
those
things,
those
assets
and
those
artifacts
that
are
in
the
building
off
to
the
people
of
nevada
and
all
of
the
west
in
the
nation.
I
am
glad
to
hear
the
of
the
amendment
I
I
was
afraid
that
would
be
a
little
bit
of
a
sticking
point.
H
Clearly,
the
museum,
the
nevada
museums,
have
brought
articles
into
that
that
truly
weren't
transferred
in
the
first
place,
and
I
understand
there
could
be
some
restrictions
there
if
they
were
gifted
to
the
state
of
nevada
and
how
they
could
be
returned
to
another
foundation.
So
I
think
with
that
amendment
I
think
it
really
clears
the
bill.
It
cleans
the
bill
up
and
I
have
to
say,
and
I'll
probably
get
beat
up
and
I'll
wait
for
the
raft
to
emails.
H
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Senator
gokuchiya
is
there
anyone
else
that
is
going
to
present
or
walk
us
through
the
bill.
I
Madam
chair,
this
is
chase
one
more.
I
was
gonna
present
as
well.
I
Thank
you
so
much
and
good
afternoon
committee
members
and
madam
chair
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
I
have
a
short
two-minute
video
to
kick
things.
J
Off
hello,
I
am
mark
bassett,
president
of
the
nevada,
northern
railway
foundation
in
ely
nevada.
The
foundation's
job
is
to
preserve
and
protect
this
national
historic
landmark
and
pass
it
on
to
the
next
generation
in
better
shape
than
we
found
it
passage
of
senate
bill.
87
will
help
us
achieve
that
mission.
It
will
unify
the
buildings,
the
artifacts,
the
staff
and
volunteers
at
the
nevada,
northern
railway
national
historic
landmark,
allowing
it
to
reach
its
full
potential.
J
It
will
also
have
the
added
benefit
of
saving
the
state
of
nevada,
millions
of
dollars
in
deferred
maintenance
and
future
operating
costs.
These
savings
can
be
reinvested
elsewhere
in
the
state
museum
system.
The
state
of
nevada
only
has
rights
in
two
buildings
out
of
the
60
buildings
and
structures
that
make
up
the
complex.
J
J
J
Our
efforts
have
generated
an
estimated
economic
impact
of
80
million
dollars
for
the
state
of
nevada
and
the
local
community
passage
of
senate
bill.
87
will
save
the
state
of
nevada
millions
of
dollars.
It
will
also
allow
the
nevada,
northern
railway
national
historic,
landmark
to
reach
its
full
promise.
I
I
I
So
senate
bill
87
and,
as
you
heard
in
the
video
kennecott,
donated
the
entire
railroad
to
the
city
of
ely
and
white
pine
historical
railroad
foundation
over
30
years
ago.
I
The
foundation
at
the
time
was
just
an
infant
and
was
not
unsure
unsure
it
could
operate
the
entire
complex,
so
it
gave
two
of
the
buildings,
the
easterly
depot
and
the
freight
barn
to
the
state,
and
it
actually
was
the
intent
to
give
all
of
the
complex
to
the
state,
but
in
1993
the
state
said
hold
on
we
we've
experiencing
financial
difficulties,
so
we
can't
take
everything
but
we'll
we'll
receive
just
those
first
two
buildings
and
and
of
course
the
original
intent
was
to
build
a
major
museum
and
in
30
years
that
has
never
happened.
I
I
Here's
a
color-coded
display
showing
the
different
aspects
of
the
elite
depot.
There's
administrative
offices
that
the
state
museum
operates
out
of,
and
then
they
have
the
display
area
and
then
the
nevada,
northern
railway
museum
as
a
display
area
and
gift
shop.
I
This
is
the
front
entrance
to
the
ec
railroad
depot
museum
or
sorry
on
the
north
side
of
the
of
the
depot
building,
and
you
see
here,
there's
a
sign.
That's
been
a
drywall
screwed
in
to
a
114
year
old
door,
not
exactly
up
to
shippo
standards.
I
Up
here
you
have,
or
on
this
slide
shows
the
staircase
up
to
the
ec
the
railroad
depot
museum
that
visitors
go
into
on
this
slide.
It
shows
the
layout
of
the
current
exhibits,
and
then
you
see
here
the
administrative
offices
as
well
for
the
state
museum
and
the
foundation.
What
we're
committed
to
doing
is
we're
going
to
keep
these
exhibit
rooms
exactly
the
same
with
the
proposed
amendment,
the
all
the
furniture,
all
the
fixtures,
all
the
artifacts
records,
everything
would
remain
in
those
exhibit
rooms,
and
then
we
would,
we
would
move
into.
I
The
administrative
offices
here
are
pictures
of
the
hallway
entrance
into
the
exhibit
room
and
then
the
exhibit
room.
One
is
on
your
right
and
again
we're
committed
to
keeping
this
exactly
like
it
is
today
we're
just
going
to
enhance.
What
we
want
to
do
is
enhance
the
interpretation
of
the
displays.
I
I
Here's
some
of
the
problems.
There's
a
lot
of
maintenance
needs.
I
I
said
over
a
million
dollars
in
deferred
maintenance.
Here's
one
example:
the
heater
in
the
women's
waiting
room
has
been
broken,
for
almost
three
years
needs
to
be
fixed,
and
this
was
the
temperature
just
a
couple
weeks
ago,
57
degrees
pretty
cold.
I
Some
other
maintenance
needs
here.
You
see,
there's
some
ada
problems
with
the
store
and
this
project
was
supposed
to
be
completed
almost
10
years
ago
and
still
hasn't
been
completed
again.
Here's
another
example
of
some
upgrades
and
maintenance.
The
one
deck
on
the
freight
depot
is
failing
and
so
and
there's
no
accumulation
there
that's
causing
warping,
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
take
control
these
buildings
and
put
in
the
necessary
repairs.
I
I
We
have
a
huge
presence
on
social
media
over
108
000
likes
compared
to
only
a
few
hundred
from
the
state.
We've
been
featured
many
times
on
cbs
this
morning,
pawn
stars
american
restoration
and
even
appeared
on
the
big
bang
theory.
Dr
sheldon
cooper,
if
you
got
any
fans
out
there,
rode
on
our
train
as
the
conductor
and
then
you'll
see
there
at
the
bottom
a
lot
of
our
awards
that
we've
won
throughout
the
years.
I
I
It
was
on
the
verge
of
collapse
and
what
we've
done
now
is
saved
that
building
and
here's
inside
what
it
looks
like
today
and
again.
We
we
did
this
in
accordance
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties,
and
these
plans
were
approved
by
the
nevada
state,
historic
preservation
office.
I
I
So
why
support
sb
87
sp-87
will
increase
visitation
and
tourism
to
ely
in
white
pine
county,
which
will
increase
room
nights,
increase
economic
activity
and
drive
future
tax
revenue.
How
because
sb
87
will
allow
the
foundation
to
invest
millions
into
the
freight
depot,
creating
a
new
museum
and
visitor
experience.
I
The
operations
of
the
foundation
in
the
state
often
clash
over
upgrades
maintenance,
operation
operation
times
and
there's
some
other
problems,
and
this
has
been
occurring
for
over
a
decade.
It's
a
simple
function
of
the
fact
that
there's
two
operators,
so
this
legislation
would
provide
for
a
singular
operator
to
provide
maximum
visitor
experience,
and
so
what
does
this
mean?
Currently,
the
state
and
foundation
keep
different
hours.
Sb
87
would
increase
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
eec,
the
railroad
depot
museum,
because
we
have
the
staff
and
the
resources
to
do
so.
I
I
I
So
can
the
states
sell
these
buildings?
Short
answer
is
no.
Why?
Because
the
original
deed
from
kinnicott
states
that
the
buildings
were
donated
for
the
express,
sole
and
only
purpose
of
use
by
the
white
pine,
historical
railroad
foundation
in
connection
with
and
pursuant
to
the
development
of
a
historic
railroad
museum.
This
means,
if
the
buildings
are
used
for
any
other
purpose,
then
kinnicott
could
exercise
their
reversionary
interest.
No
third
party
would
purchase
these
buildings
subject
to
that
deed
restriction.
I
Additionally,
without
the
foundation,
these
buildings
have
no
parking,
no
ingress
and
egress
such
no
title
company
would
ever
ensure
a
transfer.
Yet
state
plans
has
placed
a
fiscal
note
on
scp-87
improperly
stating
that
the
state
could
sell
these
buildings
for
approximately
1.3
million.
This
is
simply
not
true.
I
So
inside
look
at
the
closed
freight
depot
today
these
display
cases
were
brought
from
carson
city
over
20
years
ago
and
they
sit
empty
even
though
the
foundation
does
not
operate
the
freight
depot.
We
receive
the
negative
comments
and
feedback
on
our
social
media
and
we
we've
also
received
complaints
that
different
people
are
charged
different
rates
for
holding
special
events
inside
the
freight
depot.
I
So
does
the
foundation
have
the
capacity
the
funding
and
the
experience
needed
to
protect
the
historical
integrity?
Yes,
so
the
what
this
bill
would
do
in
our
commitment
to
enhancing
the
interpretation
of
the
current
railroad
depot
museum.
It
would
probably
increase
our
operating
expenses
by
about
approximately
150
000
per
year
and
we
can
handle
that.
We
have
3
500
dues,
payne
members,
who
contributed
1.2
million
in
2020
alone.
I
The
train
rides
yield
over
600
000
per
year
in
revenue
and,
as
you
heard
in
the
video
we've
invested,
33
million
into
the
complex
over
30
years
compared
to
the
state's
3
million.
We
have
20
employees
and
125
volunteers.
We
have
a
curator,
a
curator
of
education
and
an
archivist
we're
overseen
by
a
board
of
directors.
Five
are
elected
by
the
members
and
two
are
elected
members
of
the
city
of
elyse
city
council.
I
I
Here
is
our
2021
operating
revenue.
This
is
projected
operating
income,
which
does
not
include
our
grant
income
or
expenses,
see
here
that
a
little
less
than
half
comes
from
donations
about
a
third
come
from
train
operations
we
receive
between
10
and
15
percent,
from
room
tax
income
from
the
city
of
ely,
and
then
you'll
see
there.
Some
miscellaneous
income
as
well
here
is
our
2021
operating
expenses
and
of
note
this.
I
I
We
have
an
archivist
according
to
the
state's
physician
description,
he's
got
many
years
of
experience
at
different
museums
and
historic
sites,
and
he's
got
experience
with
preservation
of
historic
programs.
I
So
the
foundation
is
proposing
a
friendly
amendment
and
under
the
amendment
the
foundation,
the
city
would
receive
the
records
and
artifacts
that
were
given
to
the
state
by
the
city
and
the
foundation
over
30
years
ago
and
we're
requesting
these
records
back,
because
in
that
agreement
the
state
was
going
to
categorize,
catalog,
catalog,
preserve
and
display.
All
of
these
records
and
you'll
see
here
two
examples
of
how
the
records
are
currently
being
kept.
I
Some
of
these
boxes
are
failing,
you'll,
see
there
on
the
left
and
then
some
are
stored
in
usps,
nail
tubes
and
properly
so
again,
what
we
would
do
is
digitize
the
records
and
ensure
they
are
made
public
for
free
viewing
from
anywhere
in
the
world
again.
Another
example
of
highly
historic
dispatchers
records
sitting
covered
in
dust
unprotected.
I
I
I
We
have
a
grant
pending
right
now
for
340
000
from
america's
treasures
grant
and
we
would
match
that
award,
and
so
we
would
invest
over
seven
hundred
thousand
in
the
records
management
to
preserve
and
protect
them
in
the
state.
The
state
division
of
museums
in
history
could
have
applied
for
such
a
grant,
but
did
not
here's
an
example
of
the
wonderful
work.
I
So
why
does
the
state
museum
pose
this
legislation?
Well,
it's
the
old
camel
under
the
note,
campbell's
nose
under
the
tent
theory
that
somehow
this
sets
a
dangerous
precedent,
but
we've
got
a
unique
situation
here.
This
transfers
both
to
the
city
of
ely
and
to
the
foundation
not
just
a
private
entity
and
second,
the
foundation.
I
The
state
is
telling
the
public
that
the
history
would
be
would
be
lost.
That
is
simply
not
true.
The
foundation's
mission
is
protect
the
historical
integrity
and
would
operate
the
buildings
in
care
for
the
records
and
artifacts
at
a
higher
level
of
service
and
protection.
We
have
an
excellent
track
record,
we're
highly
and
heavily
regulated
by
the
ntsb
nevada,
indot,
pucn
chippo
and
many
others.
I
We
have
overwhelming
local
support,
unanimous
support
from
the
city
of
ely
and
the
white
pine
county
commission.
We
have
unanimous
support
from
the
top
civic
and
business
organizations,
the
white
pine
county
board
of
tourism
and
recreation,
the
wyatt
pine
main
street
association
and
the
white
pine
chamber
of
commerce.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
will
ask
the
committee
members
if
they
have
any
questions,
I
believe
senator
neil
did
you
have
a
question.
B
Thanks,
madam
chair,
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
was
going
to
ask
it.
I
I
heard
the
arguments
and
I
guess
you
know
when
I
looked
at
the
fiscal
notes
of
roughly
5
million
dollars,
that
the
state
is
saying
that
they
would
lose
by
this
transfer.
B
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
I.
The
gift
was
given
but
you're,
alleging
that
they
haven't
been
good,
good
stewards
with
the
gift,
and
now
you
want
it
back,
and
I
guess
I'm
not.
I
guess
I
don't
I'm
not
understanding
exactly
why
we
should
flip
this
back
right.
I
feel
like
if
the
gift
was
given,
then
why
can't
you
guys
work
together
and
help
make
this
what
it
could
be
in
a
partnership.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
senator
neil
can.
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
so
to
to
the
fiscal
note
of
the
state
museums
they
put
that
fiscal
note
on,
because
the
artifacts
are
in
the
original
bill.
I
The
artifacts
and
the
records
were
going
to
stay
with
the
state
museum
system
and
under
the
proposed
amendment,
all
of
the
artifacts
and
records
that
we
gave
to
the
state
30
years
ago
would
be
returned
to
us
and
would
stay
and
therefore
would
not
necessarily
necessitate
the
state
museum
building
a
12,
000
square
foot
new
facility
for
the
4.8
million
dollars
that
they
stay
they
sit.
They
said
they
would
in
the
fiscal
note
and
in
terms
of
working
together.
I
Well,
it's
been
it's
been
over
10
years.
These
problems
keep
keep
rearing
up
and
there's
maintenance
issues
that
we
disagree
about.
There's
upgrade
issues
that
we
disagree
about
and
we
again
you
hear
from
senator
dennis
even
visitors
that
come
out
there
have
sort
of
this
confusion
when
they
get
there
that
there's
two
separate
entities
operating
this.
I
What
we
want
to
do
is
put
this
all
under
one
operation,
one
seamless
operation
for
visitors
for
tourists
alike,
to
provide
the
maximum
experience,
and
although
the
state
has
done
an
adequate
job
of
protecting
the
records,
they
haven't
done
the
best
job
possible
in
our
estimation
and
belief,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
transfer
everything
back
to
us
so
that
we
can
protect
everything,
enhance
the
interpretation
and
the
visitors
that
come
out
there
to
the
state
museum
shouldn't
see
a
difference
in
operations.
I
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
mr
whittamore.
It's
very
thorough.
You
talked
about
deed
restrictions.
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
I
understand
if
this
bill
passes
and
with
those
deed
restrictions
make
sure
that
this
cannot
be
turned
over
to
some
other
use.
That's
not
a
railroad
museum
and
because
you
know
I
it
sounds
like
the
foundation's
doing
a
lot
of
great
work,
but
what,
if,
in
10
years,
for
some
reason
it
goes
under
or
the
people
operating
it
just
don't
want
to
operate
a
non-profit
anymore.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
orenshaw
and
yes,
you're
right.
The
the
the
deeds
currently
are
deed
restricted,
so
the
original
transfer
from
kennecott
restricted
the
deeds
and
then
the
transfer
from
the
foundation
in
the
city
of
ely
to
the
state
also
restricted
the
deeds
and
so
you're
right
that
no
third
party
could
come
in
and
operate
a
a
bar
or
a
restaurant,
or
anything
like
that.
D
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
questions
from
the
committee
senator
hanson.
Please
go
ahead.
F
Thanks,
madam
chair
chase
great
presentation.
Honestly,
it
was
devastating,
I
mean
as
a
nevada
history
buff.
The
pictures
that
you
showed
just
made
me
wince,
I
mean
stacks
of
historical
documents
covered
in
dust
boxes
tipped
over.
I
mean
I'm
sorry
if
the
states
had
this
property
for
30
years
and
that's
the
condition
it's
in
by
the
way
I've
been
to
the
museum.
I've
been
to
the
thing.
I
took
a
little
train
ride
when
I
was
there
with
my
kids
years
ago
and
I'm
all
I'm
all
for
preserving.
All
of
that.
So
did
you.
F
I
Senator
hansen,
yes,
the
freight
barn,
so
the
two
buildings
and
one
of
the
the
larger
building
as
senator
goykicha
calls
the
the
freight
shed.
The
wool
shed
that
building
is
is
very
big
building
and
that
is
currently
closed
and
only
open
special
for
special
events
a
few
times
a
year,
and
that
is
the
goal
of
the
foundation
under
sb
87-
is
to
have
that
billing
returned,
invest
millions
of
dollars
and
to
open
that
up
as
the
the
gem
museum
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
F
Okay,
well,
I
heard
it
correctly.
No,
I
I
think
honestly,
the
idea
that
you
you
know
I
was
sympathetic
to
some
of
the
emails
I
was
getting,
but
now
after
seeing
how
the
state's
taking
care
of
this
for
years,
I
mean
come
on
30
years
is
long
enough.
They
have
let
let
it
fall
fall
apart.
It
looks
like
even
the
maintenance
stuff
that
you
brought
up,
you
know
being
a
plumber,
I
know
about
fixing
heating
systems
and
things
like
that
and
just
embarrassing.
F
It's
been
like
that
for
years
and
years,
so
I
think
the
bill
has
some
really
strong
merit
based
on
your
frankly
devastating
presentation,
so
all
for
it.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
I
have
one,
mr
bassett,
can
you
give
us
your?
You
know
treetop
overview
of
maybe
your
opinion
and
why
you
are
the
expert
here.
J
J
J
When
you
visit
the
nevada,
northern
railway,
you
can
walk
from
the
depot
past
the
freight
depot
or
the
wall
barn,
and
that
is
closed
and
we're
asked
constantly
what
is
in
there
and
we
say:
well,
it's
a
big
empty
building
and
and
then
we
walk
on
down
to
the
engine
house
and
show
the
locomotives.
J
Our
vision
is
a
visitor
would
come
to
the
depot
they
would
purchase
their
train
ticket
or
their
admission
ticket.
Then
they
would
be
able
to
walk
down
to
the
freight
depot
and
actually
feed
the
history
of
the
railroad
and
after
they
learn
why
the
railroad
was
built.
The
importance
of
the
copper
mining
in
white
pine
county
then
they
could
go
on
to
the
actual
machine
shop
and
engine
house
and
actually
see
the
steam
locomotives
that
we
talked
about
earlier
in
their
presentation.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
as
a
follow-up
is
there
anybody
that
is
being
trained
or
is
you're
mentoring
to
take
this
job
on?
Should
you
decide
not
to
do
this
anymore.
J
Madam
chairman,
for
the
record
mark
bassett,
yes,
in
fact,
I'm
not
going
to
live
forever
kind
of
disappointed
about
that,
but
it
I
recognize
this
need
to
train
the
next
generation
back
in
2004
when
one
of
our
senior
staff
members
passed
suddenly
overnight
and
ever
since
that
incident.
I
have
worked
diligently
to
develop
our
staff
and
we
actually
have
three
generations
working
at
the
railroad.
J
We
have
the
graybeards
who
are
teaching
the
middle
generation,
what
it
takes
to
run
the
railroad
and
that
middle
generation
is
teaching
the
next
generation.
I
currently
have
an
employee
who
will
turn
18
next
month.
I
hired
him
when
he
was
14
years
old
to
work
at
a
railroad
museum
and
talking
to
our
workman's
comp
attorney
was
an
interesting
process.
It
took
me
about
a
week
to
get
him
hired
and
he's
now
been
with
us
for
four
years
and
he
is
learning
a
phenomenal
amount
of
information.
J
Her
name
is
angela
stevens
and
she
started
with
us
11
years
ago
in
the
gift
shop,
and
we
had
an
opening
in
the
engine
house
in
the
machine
shop
to
repair
the
locomotives
and
angie
came
to
me
and
said
you
know,
I
would
really
like
to
transfer
down
to
the
machine
shop
and
at
that
time
our
master
mechanic.
His
name
was
elle
and
he
was
the
comungen
and
I
said
well
I'll
go
speak
to
al.
I
went
down,
I
spoke
to
elle,
told
him.
J
Angie
would
like
to
transfer
down
and
elle
said
I'll
give
her
a
week.
If
she
can
do
the
job
she
can
stay
here,
and
so
she
went
down.
She
had
her
week
of
probation.
She
did
the
job
she
stayed
there
for
years
and
then
I
needed
someone
to
help
me
with
the
operation
of
the
trains.
She
was
promoted
to
train
master,
which
is
the
management
level
below
myself.
J
Who
manages
the
operation
of
all
of
the
trains,
make
sure
all
of
the
staff
and
volunteers
have
their
current
training
and
understand
how
to
operate
the
equipment
and
the
very
exciting
part
is
her
daughter,
cherish
who
turned
16.
Next
month
started
working
with
us
a
year
ago
doing
housekeeping
because
of
covet,
and
now
she
wants
to
follow
in
her
mother's
footsteps.
J
So
we
are
beginning
to
train
her
to
carry
on
the
ball,
and
that
is
just
one
example
of
the
different
generations
that
we're
training.
The
other
thing
is
too:
we
have
a
large
reach
and
we've
become
a
very
large
corporation,
and
when
I
do
decide
to
hang
up
my
engineer's
cap,
there
are
quality
and
qualified
individuals
out
there.
That
can
come
in
and
fill
my
shoes
and
continue
the
story.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing.
I
have
one
more
quick
question,
and
this
is
just
a
number
on
mr
whittemore.
Can
you
tell
me
how
many
people
could
be
at
risk
of
possibly
losing
their
job
if
this
was
to
pass.
I
Madam
chairwoman,
I
believe
there's
three,
I
believe
it's
two
full-time
employees
and
one
part-time
employee
and
in
talking
to
the
foundation
we're
committed
to
offering
employment
to
see
those
three
individuals
moving
forward
to
help
us
operate.
The
future
of
this
facility.
A
D
Thank
you
chair
and
my
question.
I
think
for
mr
bassett
or
mr
whittemore,
the
if
the
bill
passes
signed
into
law
by
the
governor,
the
artifacts
those
historical
documents,
the
train
schedules
is
that
something
that
the
the
foundation
and
the
city
of
ely
are
committed
to
preserving,
I
might
I
just
it
wouldn't
be
sold
for,
like
you
know,
fundraising
the
the
historical
artifacts
are,
you
know
for
people
who
want
mementos
that
they
be
preserved
the
way
they
are
now,
and
you
know
you
know
not
sold.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
I
think
we're
done
with
questions.
So
I
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
and
we're
going
to
go
to
support.
When
we
do
this,
please
listen.
They
will
call
the
last
three
numbers
of
your
phone
number.
A
You
will
have
two
minutes
if
you
are
saying
what
the
people
in
front
of
you
have
said
two
or
three
people
in
front
of
you.
You
are
very
welcome
to
say,
ditto.
A
L
L
B
B
B
The
easterly
depot
has
never
applied
for
grant
funding
from
white
pine,
county
tourism
and
recreation.
The
foundation
is
a
financially
solid
entity
that
is
audited
annually
and
continues
to
grow
and
improve
over
the
years.
The
foundation
is
aggressive
about
applying
for
and
obtaining
grants
and
donations.
B
The
city
of
ely
and
foundation
have
the
commitment
to
restore
and
open
the
freight
depot
by
passing
sb-87.
The
freight
barn
will
be
restored
and
opened
for
all
to
enjoy
the
cultural
and
historical
asset.
It
should
have
been
for
the
past
30
years.
Thank
you
for
your
support
of
sb
87
and
have
a
good
afternoon.
L
F
Con
trumbull
c-o-n-t-r-u-m-v-u-l-l
good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify.
My
name
is
khan
trumbull
and
I'm
the
archivist
for
the
nevada
northern
railway
museum.
A
little
bit
about
myself.
I
have
a
bachelor's
of
science
in
geology
with
a
focus
on
mining.
I
have
nine
and
a
half
years
of
federal
mining
and
records
administration
experience,
along
with
experience
gained
as
a
volunteer
board
member
staff
person
at
12,
different
museums
and
the
historic
sites
in
three
different
states.
F
I'm
a
published
author
and
a
member
of
the
society
of
american
archivist
and
I
would
qualify
as
archives
too,
based
on
the
state
system.
My
position
at
the
museum
places
the
paper
records
and
photographs
under
my
care.
In
early
2020,
we
released
the
public
archives
site
to
date.
That
site
has
had
a
reach
of
over
9
000
users
from
every
us
state,
every
canadian
province
and
over
50
countries
around
the
world.
I
receive
research
requests
and
share
our
story
through
social
media
to
over
100
000
followers.
F
I
also
complete
newsletter
articles
newspaper,
press
releases
and
work
with
other
groups
to
make
this
information
publicly
available.
I've
created
protocols
for
the
records
based
on
current
best
practices,
including
those
from
the
national
archives.
These
can
be
seen
in
the
supplemental
materials
provided
to
you
in
planned
work.
We
have
planned
to
continue
to
expand
the
archive
site.
We
are
going
to
start
collecting
rural
histories
partner
with
other
organizations
and
outreach
to
other
museums
and
develop
programming
at
the
museum
and
online
to
present
the
archives
to
the
public.
F
We
do
several
grants,
we've
done
fundraising
and
we
are
expanding
our
volunteer
base
in
the
archive
department.
The
records
and
artifacts
received
from
the
state
would
fall
under
the
preservation
and
records
protocols
in
place
and
would
have
a
focus
on
access
to
the
general
public
through
our
online
platform.
I
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
and
I
strongly
support
the
bill
as
presented
to
you.
Thank
you.
L
M
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
john
c
gianoli.
I
am
the
chairman
of
the
board
of
the
nevada
northern
railway
foundation.
Also,
president,
chairman
of
the
board
of
the
first
national
bank
of
ely,
nevada's
oldest
bank,
I
am
a
lifelong
nebadon.
I
was
born
and
educated
in
the
state
of
nevada.
M
M
He
worked
there
until
his
passing
in
1964,
at
which
time
he
was
serving
as
a
chief
mechanical
officer,
my
older
grandson,
jack
who's.
Eight
years
old,
has
an
amazing
knowledge
of
this
railroad
and
great
love
for
the
complex.
This
multi-generational
connection
highlights
the
important
heritage
of
this
amazing
national
landmark
and
its
significance
to
future
generations.
M
M
L
L
L
N
Hi
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
michelle
beecher,
I
sit
on
council
seat
five
and
I
am
the
mayor
pro
tem
for
the
city
of
ely.
I
think
thank
you
so
much.
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
having
us
here
today.
I
would
just
like
to
come
and
state
that
the
city
completely
supports
senate
bill.
87,
they're
they're
it
in
the
event
that
these
buildings
are
transferred
back
to
the
city
of
ely
and
the
foundation.
N
N
If
these
buildings
are
put
under
the
operation
of
this
foundation,
it
will
increase
city
revenue
by
allowing
the
complex
to
achieve
its
full
potential.
By
doing
this,
we
can
attract
even
more
visitors
and
and
increase
room
nights
and
economic
activity
in
the
area.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
seen
some
of
the
some
of
the
recent
press
that
the
railroad
has
received,
especially
on
their
star
trains.
N
It's
really
pretty
impressive
and
has
brought
visitors
from
all
over
the
world,
so
so
to
have
this
additional.
These
additional
buildings
that
we
can
really
cultivate
into
a
full
museum
would
be
a
real
boon
to
this
community
and
then,
finally,
I
I
live
in
this
community.
My
family
has
been
here
for
five
generations,
I'm
here
every
day
I
work
here
every
day
and
I
I
see
what's
happening
at
the
at
the
complex
down
there.
These
two
buildings
lay
essentially
dormant,
while
the
busy
complex
around
them
thrive,
thrives
and
flourishes.
N
The
foundation
manages
and
has
upgraded
dozens
of
buildings
in
the
complex
and
has
a
proven
track
record
of
raising
millions
of
dollars
for
rehabilitating
and
upgrading
the
complex
while
at
least
twice
the
state
has
threatened
to
close
the
museum
that
that
is
currently
there
due
to
budget
shortfalls.
The
foundation
definitely
has
the
financials
to
keep
the
museum
open.
N
This
has
gone
on
for
a
long
time
and
while
the
community
is
thankful
for
what
the
state
was
able
to
do
in
the
early
days,
while
they
were
here,
I
mean
I,
I
love
that
freight
bar
and
I
was
married
there.
So
we
we
just
feel
as
a
community
that
it's
long
past
time
to
maximize
the
use
of
these
buildings
and
allow
the
foundation
and
and
realize
what
the
complex
should
be.
A
L
F
Good
afternoon,
madam
chairwoman,
and
thank
you
for
the
record-
my
name
is
frank,
michael
hughes,
f,
r,
a
n
k
m.
I
c
h
a
e
l
h,
u
g,
h,
e
f
and
I'm
the
curator
of
education
here
at
the
nevada.
Northern
rally
museum,
though
I
have
many
duties
here
to
rareroot.
One
of
them
that
has
a
high
priority,
is
expanding
our
educational
programs.
Here,
as
for
qualifications,
I
have
a
bachelor's
in
elementary
education
from
montana
state
university.
F
One
of
the
bigger
projects
I'm
working
on
is
building
lesson
plans
about
our
railroad
for
teachers
to
use
the
nevada.
Northern
has
a
rich
history
and
is
ripe
for
teaching
not
just
how
railroads
moved
people
and
ideas
or
how
de
railroad
made
modern
mining
practices
feasible
here
in
white
pine
county,
but
how
the
human
aspect
affected
the
railroad
as
well.
F
We
have
letters
of
application
dating
from
well
over
100
years
ago,
basic
communications
between
departments,
about
ordering
supplies
to
communications
between
the
master,
mechanic
and
general
manager
relating
to
or
cars
damaged,
due
to
the
smelter
using
dyamite
to
unload
them.
All
this
contributes
to
the
old
railroad
plate
and
shaping
nevada
and
its
people.
F
Putting
items
like
this
into
a
lesson
plan
allows
students
a
tangible
glance
incident
that
has
passed.
Moreover,
there
is
a
lesson
plan
format
called
teaching
with
historic
places,
which
is
managed
by
the
national
park
service.
These
lesson
plans
will
highlight
our
national
historic
landmark
to
tie
real
places
into
history
concepts.
Students
are
learning
about
by
using
the
national
park
service
format,
lesson
plans
that
I'm
creating
will
be
available
for
any
teachers
wishing
to
use
them
and
will
help
to
bring
the
railroad
to
visibility,
not
just
here
in
nevada
but
across
the
country.
F
L
B
Begin,
my
name
is
mary
kerner
m-a-r-y-k-e-r-n-e-r,
madam
chair
and
committee
members.
I
am
the
ceo
of
the
rural
nevada
development
corporation,
I'm
also
the
president-elect
for
the
white
pine
county
chamber
of
commerce.
The
chamber
support
small
business
in
the
area
and,
as
you
know,
they
depend
greatly
on
tourism.
The
railroad
is
a
huge
driver
of
room
nights
and
the
tourist
related
dollars
injected
into
this
community.
B
It
seems
more
efficient
to
have
the
freight
barn
on
the
museum
also
operated
under
one
entity.
The
hours
of
operation
would
match
the
gift
shop
when
passengers
are
riding
the
train
mark
and
his
group
have
done
a
great
job
in
restoration
and
keeping
things
in
shape,
so
they
don't
dilapidate
and
from
an
economic
perspective,
the
railroad
employs
20
people,
that's
pretty
substantial
for
a
small
rural
business,
and
I
can
tell
you
personally
every
time
I've
been
to
the
depot.
The
museum
upstairs
is
closed.
B
L
B
I
am
joan
bassett
b
a
s
e
t
t
the
curator
for
the
nevada,
northern
railway
museum.
I
have
a
bs
degree
as
well
as
an
mba.
In
my
past
experience,
I've
been
a
researcher
at
colorado,
state
university.
For
11
years
I
have
restored
two
homes:
a
commercial
building
and
a
trolley
line,
while
at
the
nevada,
northern
railway,
I
have
been
building
the
foundation
of
the
archives.
I've
implemented
protocols
created
a
library
created
a
researcher
photo
archive.
B
B
I
have
created
displays
on
the
nevada
northern
on
the
property,
as
well
as
a
downtown
window
and
the
local
senior
center.
I
now
have
an
archivist
and
a
curator
of
education.
The
archivist
is
documenting
and
putting
searchable
documents
online
for
anyone
to
use.
He
is
focusing
on
1906
to
1920
documents
and
letters
that
are
in
the
warehouse.
B
The
curator
of
education
is
developing
a
program
for
young
students
when
they
can
again
visit
our
facility.
We
follow
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
historic
preservation
and
consult
with
the
nevada
state
historic
preservation
office.
We
are
members
of
the
association
of
american
museums,
nevada,
museum
association
and
the
american
association
for
state
and
local
history.
I
am
currently
a
member
of
the
society
of
american
archivists.
L
L
L
L
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
alicia
barber
a-l-I-c-I-a-b-a-r-b-e-r
and
I'm
a
professional
historian
and
a
member
of
the
nevada
board
of
museums
in
history.
I've
submitted
as
an
exhibit
a
resolution
approved
by
the
board
on
february
19th,
expressing
our
unanimous
and
unequivocal
position
to
senate
bill
87..
I
won't
read
it
now,
but
I
urge
you
to
please
read
it
through
and
consider
what
it
would
mean
to
the
state
of
nevada
for
you
to
forward
this
bill
onto
the
senate.
K
This
strategy
also
successfully
allows
entities
outside
of
the
state
museum
division
to
control
the
narrative
about
this
museum,
with
a
highly
subjective,
selective
and
misleading
version
of
events
and
justifications,
including
some
of
what
you've
seen
today.
If
you
allow
this
bill
to
proceed,
you
will
be.
L
K
Okay,
if
you
allow
this
bill
to
proceed,
you
will
be
allowing
an
outside
entity
to
dictate
the
terms
of
the
discussion
and
put
the
state's
own
professional
museum
division
on
the
defensive,
rather
than
treating
its
expert
staff
as
sources
of
the
most
accurate
information
about
what
it
takes
to
responsibly
operate.
K
I
hope
you
might
consider
how
the
legislature
can
instead
help
to
facilitate
a
productive
partnership
at
this
museum,
whether
it's
through
funding,
an
independent
consultant
to
analyze
the
situation
and
report
back
to
you
in
your
next
session,
or
perhaps
helping
to
boost
the
capacity
of
the
state
to
accomplish
some
of
the
tasks
we
all
want
to
see
completed
in
ely
at
a
museum.
We
all
care
about
so
much.
Thank
you.
L
L
L
O
Over
my
career
of
45
years,
I
have
designed
built,
managed
museum
systems
and
I
have
written
dozens
of
business
and
development
plans
for
some
of
the
largest
museums
in
the
country,
including
the
national
museum
of
the
marine
corps,
george
washington,
education
center
and
the
national
law
enforcement
museum.
One
lesson
that
I've
learned
one
common
denominator
that
is
seen
in
the
most
successful
museum
endeavors
is
the
controlling
entities.
Ability
to
diversify
revenue,
sources
and
nevada
has
one
of
the
most
successful
museum
enterprises
that
follows
that
diverse
revenue
model
in
the
mob
museum
in
las
vegas.
O
O
More
transparency
would
reveal,
and
in
fact
one
of
the
biggest
contributors
to
the
foundation
is
the
state
of
nevada,
having
invested
over
3
million
in
state
bond
funds
and
transfers
from
tourism
over
the
last
20
years.
That's
in
addition
to
the
3
million
the
state
has
invested
in
a
recent
public
meeting.
O
It
was
noted
by
the
foundation
that,
in
a
settlement
agreement,
there's
a
there's,
an
agreement
to
sell
part
of
the
historic
assets
to
generate
cash,
and
some
of
you
might
pardon
me
I've
heard
of
a
case
three
years
ago,
where
the
berkshire
museum
in
pittsfield
massachusetts
sold
off
parts
of
its
collection
to
stay
afloat,
essentially
selling
a
norman
rockwell
painting
to
save
a
picasso.
Such
actions
violate
the
tenets
of
ethical
practices
defined
by
the
american
alliance
of
museums,
and
in
this
case
the
case
went
to
the
attorney
general
in
massachusetts.
O
My
second
point
relates
to
efforts
over
decades
to
establish
a
productive
partnership
with
the
railroad
foundation
in
2003.
The
state
entered
into
a
special
use
permit
where
the
foundation
would
pay
the
state
300
a
month
to
occupy
the
800
square
feet
of
space.
On
the
first
floor
of
the
depot
for
sale
of
tickets
and
souvenirs
foundation
was
typically
three
or
six
months
or
longer
in
arrears
and
paying
the
fee
suggesting
that
cash
flow
was
a
struggle
for
the
foundation.
O
My
last
and
final
point
is
that
the
foundation's
been
critical
to
the
state's
backlog
of
deferred
maintenance
on
the
property
we
manage
the
number
one
million
is
thrown
about,
but
you
know
that
that
is
not
only
that's
not
unusual
for
state
buildings,
every
department
or
division,
but
it's
also
misleading
public
works
in
preparing
facility
condition,
reports,
cites
numbers
and
three
lookouts
short,
mid
and
long
term.
The
report's
a
planning
tool,
not
a
condemnation.
O
The
state
railroad
museum
in
carson
city
built
in
the
late
1980s
has
a
higher
percentage
of
deferred
maintenance
than
in
ely.
In
closing
I'd
remind
the
committee
that
assembly
bill
84
in
the
2019
session,
the
conservation
bond
reauthorization
act
authorized
spending
up
to
30
million
dollars
in
bond
funds
for
museums
in
history.
A
large
chunk
of
that
25
million
is
set
aside
to
develop
an
expanded,
visitor
experience
in
boulder
city.
O
3.1
million
is
budgeted
to
rehabilitate
the
ely
freight
building
to
put
in
the
critical
life
safety
systems,
heating
and
cooling
systems,
and
to
develop
interpretive
exhibits
in
the
freight
building.
Those
bond
funds
are
made
available
based
on
the
state's
debt
limit
capacity,
and
some
funding
is
anticipated
in
the
2021
cycle.
However,
those
funds
are
not
transferable.
O
If
the
depot
and
freight
building
are
turned
over
to
the
railroad
foundation,
those
funds
would
not
be
would
be
reallocated
to
other
needs
in
the
division,
leaving
the
elite
depot
and
freight
building
rehab
to
be
fully
funded
by
the
foundation
with
the
state
having
no
interest
in
terminating
this
valuable
program
in
healy.
Why,
then,
would
you
discard
the
opportunity
to
make
it
better?
Thank
you.
A
Mr
burton
yes,
if
you'll
stay
on
just
for
a
minute,
we
because
we're
in
this
virtual
situation.
We
have
one
question
from
the
vice
chair
for
you.
Please.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
burton,
for
your
testimony.
You
know
we
saw
some
pretty
disturbing
pictures
and
you
know
we
heard
some
testimony
about.
You
know
long
periods
of
time
where
there
haven't
been
these
improvements
to
the
state
museum
and
to
the
freight
depot,
and
I
just
wondered
you
know
as
administrator
or
former
administrator
at
the
state
museums.
What
what
can
you
can?
D
You
kind
of
explain
to
us
what's
been
happening,
what
the
obstacles
have
been
and
why
these
improvements
haven't
been
made,
why
the
museum
hasn't
tried
to
have
the
same
hours
as
the
the
rest
of
the
the
the
railway,
the
the
the
the
exhibits
and
the
train
rides,
and
things
like
that.
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
explain
that
what
because
I
think
a
lot
of
us
were
you
know
really
concerned,
we
saw
those
pictures
and
we
heard
the
testimony.
O
Yes,
certainly
to
the
to
the
vice
chair
through
the
chair,
we
recall
back
in
2008-2009
during
the
the
terrible
recession
that
we
went
through
as
a
nation
and
certainly
in
the
state.
We
did
have
significant
cutbacks
in
museums
in
history.
O
We
were
the
only
division,
it
was
reduced
to
part-time
employees
that
impacted
museum
hours
and
it
impacted
staffing
in
a
negative
way
out
in
in
ely
recovery
from
that
was
not
made
until
2013,
as
I
recall,
and
staffing
wasn't
restored
until
the
most
recent
biennium
or
the
2017
or
2019
biennium.
I
can't
recall
exactly,
but
you
know
it's
been
a
long
struggle
to
get
to
get
stabbing
to
get
resources
out
there.
We
did
reorganize
the
railroad
museums.
There
are
three
state
railroad
museums,
as
you
know,
in
nevada
that
are
operated
by
the
state.
O
O
We
did
seek
grant
funding
and
received,
grant
funding
and
are
using
some
of
the
special
license
plate
proceeds
from
the
sesquicentennial
license
plate
to
develop
new
exhibits
right
now
for
the
second
floor
of
the
the
depot
that
work
is
ongoing.
It's
in
production,
as
I
understand
it
right
now
that
includes
making
a
significant
ada
improvement
to
have
an
orientation
film
on
the
first
floor
of
the
depot.
O
Obviously
those
would
have
mobility
challenges
can't
climb
the
many
stairs
to
the
second
floor
of
the
depot,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
offer
an
experience
for
all
visitors.
On
the
first
floor,
we
have
sought-
and
we
actually
were
approved
conditionally
for
making
improvements
to
the
freight
building
that
would
have
included
the
fire
suppression
system.
O
But
as
that
work
as
the
engineering
for
that
work
proceeded
with
through
the
public
works
division,
it
was
determined
that,
in
fact,
the
city's
infrastructure
couldn't
support
a
fire
suppression
system
in
the
freight
building
that
it
would
require
a
much
higher
technical
or
higher
level
system,
either
a
misting
system
or
fire
pumps
and
water
storage
tanks,
because
the
city's
infrastructure
just
didn't
have
the
capacity.
O
We
certainly
want
to
be
able
to
insulate
the
freight
building
and
the
and
put
in
hvac
systems
and
make
it
code
compliant
so
that
the
public
can
can
access
that
space
safely.
O
One
of
the
challenges
we
face
there
with
working
through
the
historic
preservation
office,
making
some
of
the
life
safety
improvements
to
the
to
the
historic
freight
building
in
fact
destroy
or
take
away
some
of
the
historic
fabric.
So
these
challenges
add
cost.
They
add
time,
but
really
assembly
bill
84
that
came
out
or
that
was
approved
in
2019,
was
a
major
turning
point
in
our
ability
to
to
have
the
resources
to
go
out
and
make
these
improvements
and
and
make
them
soon
as
soon
as
the
bonds
can
be
sold.
L
F
I
am
a
phd
candidate
at
the
university
of
california,
santa
barbara,
with
emphasis
in
nevada,
history
and
public
history
and
currently
chair
the
interpretation
committee
for
the
friends
of
the
nevada
state,
rare
museum
in
carson
city.
I
grew
up
in
carson
city
and
after
returning
home
from
service
in
the
u.s
navy
spent
much
of
my
early
adulthood
living
in
dayton.
So
I
now
find
myself
temporarily
outside
of
state
due
to
complete
extent
of
my
education,
home
still
means
nevada.
F
To
me,
I
have
been
an
enthusiastic
volunteer
at
the
nevada
state,
railroad
museum
in
carson
city
since
1996,
and
have
continued
to
play
an
active
role
at
the
museum
and
in
historic
preservation
and
educational
missions
throughout
the
state.
While
undertaking
graduate
study,
nevada
history
is
near
and
dear
to
me,
and
therefore
I
oppose
sd87
the
east
ely
depot
museum,
in
addition
to
the
historic
structures
themselves,
house,
unique
artifacts
and
documents
that
provide
historians
and
visitors,
a
rare
glimpse
into
the
rarely
viewed
world
of
railroad
administration.
F
Like
all
state
museums,
it
is
run
by
staff
with
graduate
level
training
who
are
prepared
to
preserve
and
protect
this
collection
for
the
continued
enjoyment
and
education
of
all.
In
contrast,
the
foundation
has
no
professionally
trained
historians
on
staff
and,
like
any
specialty,
professional
expertise,
is
important
in
historic
preservation.
F
What
is
worse,
the
foundation
has
a
documented
record
of
taking
shortcuts
and
destroying
rare
artifacts
in
the
early
2000s.
Looking
for
an
additional
railroad
passenger
car
for
its
tourist
railroad,
the
foundation
chose
the
former
wrecking
car
that
bunked
and
housed
crews
that
cleared
records
from
railroad
accidents
along
the
line.
Multiple
historians
and
railroad
preservation
experts
told
the
foundation
that
this
car
was
likely
the
only
of
its
kind
left
in
the
united
states
and
hearing
that
they
own
this
unique
piece
of
history.
What
did
the
foundation
do?
F
They
ignored
all
professional
advice
and
jutted
the
car,
destroying
any
chance
of
future
study
or
potential
tourism
that
might
arise
from
displaying
such
a
rare
artifact.
Another
piece
of
nevada
history
wantonly
destroyed.
This
is
just
one
example
of
many,
and
it
is
why
I
in
nevada's,
professional
historic
community,
vehemently
oppose
this
bill.
The
nevada
museum
system
was
designed
to
protect
artifacts,
showcasing
nevada's,
vibrant
history
and
culture
in
perfuti.
F
L
L
L
L
L
P
P
This
is
the
fourth
attempt
of
to
return
state-owned
buildings
and
state
restored
buildings
to
people
that
asked
the
state
to
take
them
on
in
1991
in
three
former
legislative
sessions.
This
request
was
thoughtfully,
discussed
and
rejected
because
it
was
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
state
of
nevada,
its
residents
or
its
visitors.
P
Three
separate
sessions
of
legislators
very
much
like
yourselves.
Three
different
governors
did
not
support
this.
For
the
following
reasons:
it's
financially
unsound.
No
one
can
argue
that
at
this
time,
closing
an
existing
business
is
not
a
good
idea.
I'm
a
little
suspect
of
the
opportunity
to
to
be
offered
a
job
from
the
foundation.
I'm
not
sure
that
would
actually
happen.
P
Only
to
give
it
away
with
no
remuneration
to
compensate
the
residents
of
the
state
of
nevada
and
the
taxpayers,
it's
professionally
dishonest
for
the
state
to
accept
an
artifact
like
a
building
and
promise
to
care
for
it
into
perpetuity,
which
is
what
the
initial
deed
did
when
the
city
and
the
foundation
gave
these
buildings
to
the
state
of
nevada
and
then
to
renege
on
those
on
those
promises
to
maintain
these
buildings
into
perpetuity
is
professionally
dishonest.
And
finally,
this
is
this-
is
ethically
flawed,
just
to
give
something
away
that
you
can't
afford.
P
Now
it
is
operational,
it
was
open
to
the
public,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
the
artifact,
and
because
we
have
not
been
given
permission
by
the
state
fire
marshal
to
open
it
full
time
it
remains
available,
only
seasonally,
but
it's
available
to
anyone
during
that
season
and
for
white
pine
county
tourism.
We
have
partnered
with
them.
We
let
them
use
the
building
for
free.
P
Anyone
on
any
day
on
any
summer
is
welcome
to
come
and
use
the
freight
building.
There's
a
standard
set
fee
and
those
are
those
go
to
everyone
who
wants
to
utilize.
The
building.
P
Certainly,
the
state
is
an
excellent
steward
of
this.
The
fact
that
you
have
a
collection
at
all
right
now,
an
archival
collection,
is
because
of
the
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
the
state
of
nevada
invested
in
archival
material
and
the
the
weeks
and
months
of
time
that
the
actual
documents
were
put
into
acid-free
buffered
folders
de-acidified.
I
did
that,
and
I
spent
months
of
my
life
doing
that.
L
L
P
Yes,
my
name
is
marty
westland.
Can
you
hear
me.
P
P
A
Yes,
sir,
if
you
would,
if
you
would
please
talk
to
the
bill,
please
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
personnel,
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
bill.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
I
would
just
note
that
that
the
city
of
ely
and
white
pine
county
have
expressed
their
their
support
for
this
bill,
but
I
do
not
having
been
on
the
city
council
and
having
followed
their
finances.
I
do
not
see
that
they
have
budgeted
any
kind
of
funding
to
support
this
facility.
P
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Next,
caller.
L
Q
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
charlie
donahue
donahue
d-o-n-o-h-u
good
evening.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
am
charlie
donahue
and
I
serve
as
the
administrator
of
the
division
of
state
lands.
In
that
capacity,
I
also
serve
as
a
state
land
registrar.
The
state
land
office
is
officially
neutral
on
this
property
transfer.
However,
we
are
concerned
with
the
lack
of
public
protections
in
the
bill
as
you've
heard
and
william.
Q
What
I'd
like
to
remind
you
of
his
background
in
1990,
the
city
of
ely
in
the
white
pine,
historical
railroad
foundation,
a
predecessor
and
interest
to
the
nevada.
Northern
railway
foundation
transferred
two
parcels
of
land,
consisting
of
approximately
one
acre
to
the
state
included
in
the
property
transfer.
Was
the
east
ely
depot
building
located
on
one
of
the
parcels
in
the
freight
barn
located
on
the
other?
Q
The
records
in
our
state
land
office
indicate
the
transfer
was
at
the
request
of
the
city
and
the
foundation,
as
neither
entity
had
the
fiscal
resources
to
invest
in
the
improvements
that
were
needed
to
protect
the
historical
and
cultural
values
of
the
buildings,
the
expertise
to
adequately
display
and
curate
the
artifacts,
and
also
to
adequately
provide
programs
to
the
public.
The
division
of
state
lands
maintains
a
real
property
portfolio
for
all
state-owned
properties
throughout
nevada,
with
the
exception
of
lands
held
by
the
legislature,
ndot
and
the
nevada
system
of
higher
education.
Q
Q
In
this
case,
we
have
classified
these
two
parcels,
including
the
buildings
as
performing
assets.
One
reason
this
property
is
determined
to
be
performing
is
due
to
the
significant
investment
the
state
has
made,
as
you
previously
heard,
and
improving
the
buildings
contents
and
displays
since
taking
ownership
of
the
property
in
the
in
the
1990s.
Q
While
senate
bill
87
is
clear
and
its
requirement
to
transfer
these
performing
assets
to
the
city
of
ely
and
a
non-profit
organization
for
no
cost
other
than
the
reimbursement
of
necessary
expenses
related
to
the
transfer,
sb
87
does
not
include
any
language
recognizing
the
state's
investment
in
the
property
or
protections
or
protection
of
these
state
properties,
buildings
and
contents
for
public
use.
In
fact,
if
passed,
there
is
nothing
in
this
legislation
that
would
prohibit
either
the
city
of
ely
or
the
non-profit
organization
from
transferring
the
profit
property
to
a
private
entity
for
exclusive
private
use.
Q
During
the
past
20
years,
the
nevada
legislature
has
passed
a
handful
of
bills,
transferring
state-owned
property
to
local
government.
One
bill
was
the
transfer
of
the
belmont
courthouse
tonight
county
and
the
other
was
the
transfer
of
floyd
lamb
state
park
to
the
city
of
las
vegas.
To
my
knowledge,
this
is
the
first
legislation
proposing
property
transfer
to
a
non-profit
organization
and
successors.
Q
Q
In
the
few
cases
that
the
state
has
legislated,
the
transfer
of
public
property
to
a
non-state
entity,
the
legislation
had
expectations
on
the
use
of
the
property
expectations
regarding
public
access
and
a
reversionary
interest.
In
the
event,
the
property
is
not
being
utilized
for
which
the
legislature
intended
these
buildings.
Excuse
me,
these
issues
are
not
addressed
in
the
bill,
nor
are
there
any
requirements
in
the
bill
for
protecting
the
historic
and
cultural
values
of
the
properties.
Q
I
will
acknowledge
mr
whittermore's
friendly
amendment
addressing
the
artifacts
and
the
absence
of
the
answers
to
the
questions
I've
raised
in
my
testimony.
I
cannot
support
this
bill
as
drafted
and
remain
neutral
with
the
concerns
that
I
have
outlined
before.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
of
your
questions
or
any
questions.
Your
committee
may
have.
A
A
A
L
R
Myron
friedman,
m-y-r-o-n
f-r-e-e-d-n-a-n,
the
acting
administrator
for
the
division
of
museums
in
history.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
chair.
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
committee
regarding
senate
bill
87,
the
east
healey
depot
museum
is
stewarded
and
operated
for
the
people
of
nevada.
Removing
the
east
eli
depot
museum
from
the
institutions
of
the
division
of
museums
in
history
is
not
a
state
generated
idea
and
would
be
unprecedented.
R
There
is
one
state
museum
in
eastern
nevada.
The
staff
are
the
stewards
of
the
east
eli
depot
freight
building
and
nevada
northern
railway
archives
and
much
more.
They
provide
a
vital
state
of
nevada,
educational
and
cultural
service
for
the
region,
preserving
invaluable
historic
buildings,
preserving
and
curating
a
rare
archive
and
sharing
the
unique
history
of
ely
with
visitors,
students
and
the
community.
The
upcoming
state
budget
fully
provides
for
the
museum's
continued
service
and
mission
related
activities,
the
easter
build
the
freight
building
and
the
nevada.
Northern
railway
archives
are
profound,
historical
evidence.
R
Our
obligation
is
to
ensure
they
are
preserved
for
future
generations.
These
state
historic
assets
have
been
carefully
and
appropriately
stewarded
by
state
museum
staff
and
state
agencies,
since
they
were
deeded
to
the
state.
In
1990,
this
critical
stewardship
was
requested
by
the
ely
community.
The
state
has
invested
over
3
million
dollars
to
restore
maintain
to
make
accessible
buildings
and
archives
to
operate
the
museum
to
develop
interpretive
materials
and
programs
to
engage
and
educate
audiences.
What
makes
history
come
alive
and
what
makes
history
thrilling
is
the
opportunity
to
see,
hear
and
touch
the
past.
R
Our
job
is
to
bring
nevada
history
to
life
by
engaging
the
public
in
the
real
deal.
The
real
deal
is
in
east
ely.
There
is
a
museum.
This
is
the
museum,
sometimes
museums
are
experiences
and
not
a
set
of
exhibit
cases.
This
is
especially
true
of
the
site's
depot.
A
visit
to
the
depot
is
as
close
to
stepping
into
the
past,
as
you
can
possibly
get.
Visitors
walk
through
the
general
offices
of
the
trade
dispatchers
crew
chiefs,
finance,
medical
management
and
the
company
president
on
the
track
side.
R
It
is
as
though
the
railways
traffic
manager
be
back
to
work
at
any
moment,
1906
or
1966
if
lost
or
degraded.
This
artifact
that
fate
has
allowed
into
our
hands
cannot
be
replicated
together.
The
foundation,
the
city
and
the
state
are
partners
in
bringing
the
northern
nevada
railway
story
to
life.
The
division
of
museums
in
history
has
partnered
with
the
foundations
the
original
and
today's
iteration.
There
have
been
three
such
agreements
since
the
early
2000s
each
time.
The
foundation
developed
issues
about
usage,
fairness,
ability
to
pay
or
amounts
of
money
owed.
R
The
state
sat
down
with
them,
listened
to
these
concerns
and
negotiated
a
new
agreement.
They
felt
they
could
sign
off,
on
which
the
foundation
did
our
goal.
Every
time
they
found
it
difficult
to
maintain
an
agreement
was
to
help
them
succeed
in
their
mission
and
in
their
ability
to
profit
from
their
enterprise
by
crafting
a
new
one.
They
unilaterally
ended
the
last
agreement
in
2017
in
pre-pandemic
2020.
A
L
L
S
F
A
A
If
you
would
just
submit
your
remarks,
they
will
go
on
the
record,
sir,
if,
if
that
works
for
you.
F
Yeah
I
I
have
submitted
the
remarks
before
this
meeting,
so
I
should
be
okay.
Then.
A
L
S
Hi,
thank
you.
My
name
is
daniel
phelan
d-a-n-t-h-I-e-l-e-n,
I'm
the
director
of
the
nevada
state,
railroad
museum
in
carson
city
and
have
been
in
the
industry
for
many
years.
I
have
a
strong
background
in
facilities,
design,
maintenance
and
construction
and
40
years
experience
in
steam
operations,
both
modern
and
historic.
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
museum
management.
S
We
operate
a
steam
program
at
the
nsrm
in
carson
city
and
are
continually
challenged
to
balance,
maintaining
our
artifacts
to
be
kept
in
perpetuity
against
the
high
demand
of
the
public,
who
want
to
experience,
train
train
or
steam
operations
first
hand.
We
strike
that
balance
hard
on
preserving
the
historic
fabric
for
future
generations.
S
My
concerns
with
transferring
the
items
in
the
public
trust
or
what
happened
when
they,
what
happens
when
they
leave
control
of
the
state?
We
made
a
promise
to
keep
the
depot
in
perpetuity.
We
did
not
promise
to
release
it
when
another
organization,
they
determined
that
they
did
not
like
how
it
was
being
used.
We
did
not
promise
to
keep
it
until
someone
got
a
lobbying
group
and
a
lawyer
to
take
it.
We
have
had
attempts
to
remove
artifacts
through
legislative
power
in
the
past.
S
Most
recently,
the
state
of
california
museums
are
not
warehouses
to
be
picked
through
when
others
get
their
programs
on
their
feet.
Past
performance
will
advise
future
behavior,
I'm
opposed
to
the
the
nevada,
northern
railroad
foundation's
past
performance
and
if
we
glimpse
a
few
of
their
preservation
practices,
I'll
just
give
a
couple
here.
The
engineers
building
is
a
terrific
structure
that
tells
that
no
longer
tells
the
public
how
math
pencils
and
paper
and
slide
rules
tame
the
american
west.
The
engineers
building
is
now
an
out
of
context
hotel
in
a
town
filled
with
vacant
hotel
rooms.
S
The
rolling
stock
at
the
foundation
is
rare.
It's
important
it's
irreplaceable
and
I
cannot
tell
you
if
the
foundation
follows
the
secretary
of
transportation
or
the
department
of
transportation
law
and
place
five
inert
cars
between
the
public
and
commercial
fireworks.
But
I
cannot
imagine
the
risk
assessment
that
determined
that
this
was
a
good
idea,
even
removing
the
public
safety
aspect.
How
do
we
protect
artifacts
from
consumption
by
consumption
by
placing
explosives
and
fire
within
them?.
S
A
L
A
Thank
you
very
much
that,
and
that
concludes
our
bill.
Hearing.
Mr
whittemore,
is
there
anything
you
need
to
shortly
wrap
up.
I
Comment,
thank
you
chair
donderloop.
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
the
committee
members.
I
really
appreciate
you
hearing
this
bill
and
senator
dennis
and
senator
goycochia
really
appreciate
working
with
you,
gentlemen,
on
this
bill,
and
I
look
forward
to
following
up
with
any
committee
members
about
this
bill.
A
I
thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
sure
there
are
going
to
be
lots
of
questions
and
conversation.
I
appreciate
your
time
today
and
that
closes
our
hearing
on
senate
bill
87.
A
We
will
go
to
public
comment
just
as
a
reminder.
You
wait
for
the
broadcasting
to.
A
Ask
you
to
join
and
listen
carefully
and
please
stay
and
spell
your
name,
and
you
have
two
minutes
go
ahead.
Please.
L
L
P
F
F
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
the
committee
to
know
what
has
been
the
historical
performance
of
the
nevada
northern
railway
foundation
in
order
to
determine
whether
it
has,
in
fact
the
resources
to
take
adequate
care
of
the
east
steely.
Depot
second
point
is,
even
though
the
legislature
may
have
the
power
to
transfer
the
east
ely
depot
to
the
city
of
ely
in
the
foundation.
That
doesn't
mean
that
it
ought
to
exercise
that
power
and
do
so.
In
fact,
transferring
state
historic
assets
by
legislative
action
is
about
the
worst
way.
F
I
can
imagine
someone
could
decide
whether
to
take
care
of
a
historic
asset
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
the
state
or
not.
There
is
a
process
in
place
by
which
the
division
of
museums
can
de-assession
items
that
it
doesn't
believe,
are
it's
able
to
take
care
of
or
don't
belong
in
the
state's
museum
system.
This
is
not
an
idea
that
was
brought
by
the
museum
system,
there's
an
idea
that
was
brought
by
the
foundation,
which,
probably
for
the
first
time
in
its
existence,
has
enough
money
to
hire
a
paid
lobbyist.
L
L
L
P
P
L
S
Begin
hi:
this
is
dan
bielen
d-a-n-t-h-I-e-l-e-n,
director
of
the
nevada
state,
railroad
museum
in
carson
city.
I
want
to
address
an
opportunity
that
we
took
we
de-accessioned
an
item
at
the
request
in
the
nevada,
northern
railroad
and
nevada
northern
coach
21.
We
were
asked
by
them
to
transfer
it
in
2003
and
we
went
through
the
de-accession
process,
because
that
artifact
was
a
good
candidate,
more
important
in
in
ely
than
it
was
in
carson
city.
So
we
went
through
the
process
de-accessioned
that
item
and
got
our
board
of
museums
in
history.
S
To
agree
to
that,
we
made
this
item
available
for
transfer.
The
foundation
has
not
seemed
fit
to
retrieve
this
item.
The
state
continues
to
protect
it
from
damage,
but
it
makes
me
wonder
if
the
issue
that
we
had
an
artifact
that
belonged
in
italy
was
more
important
than
the
actual
artifact
that
they
did
not
come
and
claim
and
then
finally,
the
up.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We're
in
public
comment.
A
But
we've
heard
the
bill,
so
please
wrap
up
your
comments.
Public
comment
is
supposed
to
be
about
anything
but
the
bill
because
we
heard
the
bill
hearing,
but
you
may
go
ahead
and
finish
quickly.
Please.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
appreciate
your
time
today.
If
there
is
anyone
listening
who
did
not
get
to
share
their
story,
they
are
always
welcome
to
submit
it
on
nellis,
so
hearing
no
more
public
comment.
That
concludes
our
meeting
today.