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A
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you
very
much
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afternoon
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to
the
senate
committee
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B
A
Senator
hansen
here
chair,
dunder
loop
here
and
thank
you
very
much.
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members
are
present.
So
thank
you
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A
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can
go
online
to
a
opinion
poll
and
you
can
also
be
on
the
phone
line
and
do
public
comment
today.
The
committee
will
be
hearing
several
bills
and
will
also
hold
a
work
session,
we're
going
to
take
our
bills
slightly
out
of
order
we're
going
to
start
with
senate
bill
254,
and
so
I
thank
you
very
much,
senator
neil
for
your
flexibility
and
we
will
open
the
hearing
on
senate
bill.
254
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
number
one.
Thank
you
for
hearing
both
of
my
bills.
Today,
sv
254,
I
have
a
co-presenter
on,
and
I
also
have
nerc
on
for
any
questions
related
to
the
bill
to
help
me
out.
So,
professor.
C
C
It
is
also
critical
upon
the
release
of
an
ex-offender
to
have
one
of
the
to
make
one
of
the
first
steps
of
identifying
where
they're
going
to
live
a
roof
over
your
head,
not
only
creates
stability,
it
creates
a
sense
of
independence
that
you
are
getting
ready
to
move
your
life
forward
and
have
a
different
different
way
of
living
after
being
released,
not
having
a
roof
over.
Your
head
can
create
stress,
depression
and
is
a
sign
of
poverty.
C
According
to
the
prison
policy
initiative
report
incarcerated
people
are
almost
10
times
more
likely
to
be
homeless
than
the
general
public
and
so
before.
It's
even
broken
down
by
race
and
gender
and
demographics.
C
I
encountered
a
group
of
women
during
the
interim
who
were
ex-offenders,
who
could
not
find
a
place
to
live
one.
The
stories
were
so
compelling
that
I
found
myself
bringing
this
bill
because
one
of
the
stories
of
the
women
she
hadn't
been
able
to.
She
had
been
released
in
2014
and
had
not
been
able
to
get
an
apartment,
not
in
her
name.
When
she
was
released.
She
got
an
apartment
under
her
daughter's
name
because
she
was
denied
she
then
had
to
when
she
wanted
to
move
to
a
better
place.
C
If
you
have
obtained
your
freedom
to
live
like
everyone
else
and
to
be
able
to
live
in
an
apartment
and
not
have
the
your
prior
history
dictate
where
you
have
to
stay,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
those
opening
comments,
because
I
have
the
awesome
pleasure
of
having
professor
pindell,
who
is
he's.
His
expertise
is
in
fair
housing.
D
My
name
is
nagai
pindell,
I'm
a
professor
at
the
william
s,
boyd
school
of
law
at
unlv
and
for
full
disclosure.
I
am
also
a
nurse
commissioner,
but
today
my
remarks
are
not
as
a
nerd
commissioner,
but
as
an
individual
and
a
professor
at
the
law
school
and
as
senator
neil
noted
I'll,
be
speaking
about
the
fair
chance
housing
in
nevada
or
not
having
criminal
records
considered
as
a
part
of
the
rental
decision,
and
I
have
a
power
point
to
share,
which
I
will
do
right.
D
A
D
D
Second,
I
want
to
highlight
the
disproportionate
impact
of
mass
incarceration
on
communities
and
families
of
color.
Third,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
fair
housing
act.
Implications
of
the
disproportionate
impact
of
mass
incarceration
on
communities
of
color
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation
in
nevada
and
in
the
legislative
process
of
the
session
about
access
to
affordable
housing.
There
are
many
statistics
I
could
show
you.
D
I
just
picked
out
this
one
to
demonstrate
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
for
extremely
low
income
residents-
and
you
know,
as
we
might
expect
of
those
leaving,
the
prison
system,
will
be
among
people
who
have
the
most
need
most
critical
need
for
housing.
It
will
be
among
those
of
the
lowest
incomes.
Nevada
has
only
18,
affordable
and
available
homes
per
100
renter
households
right.
So
there
is
a
need
for
affordable
housing
at
this
level
of
income.
D
The
issue
of
mass
incarceration
is
is
timely
and
it's
an
issue
that
affects
individuals
of
all
incomes
and
all
classes.
So
just
this
past
week
I
read
halfway
home
race
punishment
and
the
effects
of
mass
incarceration
is
ruben.
Miller
is
a
professor
at
the
university
of
chicago
and
it's
a
terrific
book
that
shows
the
social
side
of
people
attempting
re-entry
into
their
communities.
D
I
wanted
to
highlight
his
story
because
he's
someone
with
both
understanding
and
and
means.
Yet
he
couldn't
have
his
own
brother,
who
had
a
criminal
record,
live
with
him
in
his
housing
because
he
lived
this
professor
lived
in
faculty
housing.
So
a
consequence
of
his
not
being
able
to
find
adequate
housing
for
his
for
his
brother
upon
parole
was
that
his
brother
spent
an
extra
four
to
six
months
in
jail.
D
While
we
tried
to
find
adequate
housing
for
him
as
a
halfway
home
book
indicates,
there
are
19.6
million
people
that
live
with
a
felony
record.
One
third
of
them
are
black
and
one
in
three
currently
living
black
american
men,
half
felony
records.
So
we
get
a
sense
of
what
mass
incarceration
means
to
communities
of
color.
D
Even
though
people
of
color
make
up
only
37
percent
of
the
us
population,
they
make
up
67
of
the
prison
population.
So
it
is
a
community
that
is
disproportionately
affected
by
the
criminal
justice
system
and
therefore,
after
having
served
their
time,
they
face
additional
barriers
upon
trying
to
re-enter
the
community.
D
So
this
disproportionate
impact
has
been
recognized
by
hud
as
well,
so
that
african-americans
and
hispanics
are
convicted
and
incarcerated
disproportionately
and
so
they're
going
to
have
special
challenges
in
seeking
shelter
after
release
from
prison,
and
so
this
is
a
quote
from
hud
office
of
general
counsel.
I've
got
a
few
more
slides
that
follow
this
theme,
and
so
a
criminal
record
is
not
a
protected
characteristic
under
the
fair
housing
act,
but
the
fair
housing
act
is
concerned
with
either
disproportionate
impact
or
intentional
discrimination.
D
D
And
then,
as
I
said
before,
in
addition
to
being
concerned
with
disproportionate
effects
or
discriminatory
effect,
hud
also
is
concerned
about
intentional
discrimination
that
arises
out
of
using
criminal
record
for
housing
decisions.
D
And
last,
I
think
the
summary
statement
you
know,
summarizes
and
encompasses
hud's
approach
in
this
area.
That
is,
they
recognize
that
when
individuals
are
released
from
prisons
and
jails,
their
their
access
to
affordable
housing
is
crucial,
but
we
have
current
barriers
to
access
to
affordable
housing
that
that,
hopefully,
this
bill
will
address
and
then
finally,
fair
chance.
Housing
is
just
good
policy,
and
some
of
these
points
repeat
the
senator's
points
that
we
can
increase
racial
equity.
Maybe,
more
importantly,
we
keep
families
together.
D
This
is
an
issue
that
not
only
affects
the
ex-offender,
but
also
their
siblings
and
their
children
and
their
spouse.
So
the
ability
for
these
families
to
stay
together,
stable
housing,
is
the
center
of
a
strong
community
and
would
lower
the
risk
of
individual
re-offense
people
have
paid
their
debts
to
society,
and
last
we've
seen
over
the
past
year
with
covid
that
access
to
stable
shelter
is
now
a
public
health
issue
and
a
critical
response
to
our
response
to
covet.
D
D
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So,
madam
chair,
I
do
have
two
amendments
on
no.
I
have
one
amendment
on
sb
254.
and
then
I'm
gonna,
I
wanna.
I
will
go
through
that
as
I,
but
I
will
go
through
that
as
I
go
through
the
bill,
but
I
don't
know,
and
then
we
can
just
open
ourselves
up
for
questions
is
that
okay.
A
C
They
have
a
purpose
and
the
reason
why
I'm
lumping
them
in
is
because
hud
has
basically
nerc
is
trying
to
get
in
compliance
with
hud.
There
has
been
a
a
long-standing
agenda
that
ned
nerc
trying
to
be
able
to
enter
into
certain
agreements
with
the
u.s
hud
department,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
nerc
has
to
change
there
was
there
was
a
need
to
change
a
lot
of
the
law
in
nevada
in
order
to
update
and
be
in
substantial
compliance
with
hud.
C
C
Three,
the
idea
that
they
would
be
able
to
get
additional
support
in
terms
of
in-house
counsel
could
be
is
totally
immeasurable
by
simply
updating
our
nevada
law,
so
we
could
be
in
compliance.
C
There
are
actually
35
other
states
and
the
district
of
columbia,
who
successfully
successfully
partnered
with
hud
to
investigate
and
resolve
housing,
discriminate
discrimination
cases
on
a
state
level,
this
bill
or
those
sections.
Let
me
be
clear:
those
sections
2
through
31
and
40
through
44
help
to
move
us
in
that
direction
so
that
we
can
be
in
what
they
consider
substantial
compliance
in
order
to
build
a
relationship
so
that
we
can
enter
into
certain
agreements
with
hud
for
assistance.
C
There
is
an
exception
in
the
bill,
so
we
currently
have
exceptions
under
our
law
that
you
know
you
have
sex
related
crimes
or
sex
offender.
You
know
there
are
different
rules
that
individuals
who've
been
charged
with
those
crimes
play
by
this
section.
33
does
not
include
those
individuals,
it
actually
excludes
them.
C
I
had
excluded
them
because
number
one
another
senator
asked
me
to,
and
so
I
and
I
agreed-
and
there
was
just
general
consensus
even
with
the
offender
group
that
I
had
spent
time
with
over
the
summer
that
this
was
something
that
they
felt
they
didn't.
They
wanted
to
exclude
as
well,
and
so
I
started
to
work
with
the
apartment
association
around
this
issue.
C
Over
the
summer
we
had
a
series
of
zooms
and
a
series
of
conversations
to
try
to
find
a
middle
ground,
and
I
pretty
much
stated
that
I
was
bringing
this
bill
because
number
one.
I
felt
strongly
about
section
33
and
the
right
for
individuals
to
be
able
to
have
a
home
what
I
found
from
and
why
the
section
was
driven
and
and
why
it
deals
with
the
rest
and
background
checks
and
conviction.
Record
is
because
individuals
were
explaining
and
putting
in
the
telling
me
that
they
were
applying
to
two
and
three
apartments.
C
They
were
getting
triple
and
double
deposits.
They
weren't
able
to
ever
get
an
apartment
in
their
own
name.
They
had
to
become
roommates
or
they
were
couch
surfing.
They
were
doing
different
things
all
simply
because
they
did
not
could
not
find
a
place
to
live
because
of
their
criminal
background
and
so
session.
33
really
lays
out
what
is
included
around
how
they
should
be
treated
and
how
it
should
be
looked
at
I'm
doing
a
high
level
overview
because
I
figure
I'm
just
gonna
get
questions.
C
C
They
were
telling
me
that
there's
a
1989
ordinance
that's
been
in
play
that
basically
upon
going
into
an
apartment,
it's
going
into
an
apartment
or
even
a
weekly
police
can
come
in
and
run
a
warrant
check.
So
they
can
run
a
warrant
check.
And
then
you
have
find
a
lease
well
I'll
use
the
budget
weeklies
as
an
example,
so
you've
gone
into
a
weekly,
you
paid
you
and
then
within
24
hours.
A
warrant
check
has
been
run
on
you
and
the
next
thing.
C
C
What
I
found
out
was
that
there
is
an
actor
who
consistently
does
this
to
individuals,
a
company
that
consistently
does
this
to
individuals
in
las
vegas,
meaning
as
soon
as
they
get
in.
They
run
the
warrant
check,
and
then
the
person
is
pretty
much
without
a
home.
C
If
there's
a
warrant
for
a
felony,
you
will
be
removed
from
wherever
you
are
if
you
are
engaging
in
behavior
on
the
property
after
you
have
signed
your
lease
and
you
are
doing
something
such
as
you
know,
nuisance
doing
things
that
fall
out
of
what
the
apartment
believes
is
good
behavior.
C
C
The
bill
does
not
apply
to
if
you
have
a
single
family
residence
and
you
are
renting
out
your
apartment,
your
your
little
casita
or
part
of
your
house
you're
not
even
covered
in
this
bill,
because
I
fell
number
one.
It's
private
ownership,
even
though
there's
private
ownership
there,
but
you
can
determine
who
you
want
to
live
in
your
single
family
resident.
C
You
can
determine
who
you
want
to
live
in
your
duplex,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
the
limited
housing
that
we
do
have
and
individuals
actually
trying
to
see
commercial
apartments,
they
need
to
be
able
to
find
an
apartment.
We
know
that
when
an
ex-offender
leaves
they
have
limited
money,
so
their
next
bet
is
probably
to
try
to
find
an
apartment.
Try
to
room
with
an
apartment,
get
a
roommate,
but
not
necessarily
they're,
in
a
financial
capacity
to
buy
a
house,
and
so
we
don't
want
them
to
be
homeless.
C
There
are
additional
pieces
in
the
amendment
where
I
am
carving
out
source
of
income
and
the
reason
why
I
that
you
see
the
amendment
where
it
says
assembly
bill
317,
which
is
a
current
bill.
That's
on
the
assembly
side
is
because
that
of
that
bill
I
was
planning
on
doing
source
of
income,
but
that
bill
was
supposed
to
get
a
hearing,
and
so
far
it
has
not
received
one
and
so
source
of
here.
C
Source
of
income
was
very
important
to
me,
because
the
voucher
system,
that's
currently
in
play
within
this
clark
county
is
very
important
to
make
sure
that
the
source
of
income
is
not
discriminated
against,
because
individuals
who
seek
vouchers
typically
clark
county,
will
give
a
voucher.
C
If
you
need
rapid
re-housing
and
that
rapid
re-housing
will
then
place
you
either
in
a
short-term
rental,
it
will
either
apply
to
an
apartment
where
you
are
seeking
to
basically
get
your
first
month,
rent
or
your
last
month,
rent
covered,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
discrimination
also,
it
applies
to
when
you
have
source
of
income,
and
you
have
a
voucher
and
you're
and
you're
trying
to
get
into
section
8
housing.
C
So,
there's
a
lot
that
I
just
said,
and
the
bill
is
an
omnibus
bill
that
covers
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
open
the
doorway
so
that
individuals
can
actually
have
a
place
in
a
room,
and
my
first
goal
was
to
try
to
combat
homelessness.
C
My
second
goal
was
to
combat
homelessness
and
an
ex-offender
and
third,
to
try
to
make
a
fair
place
for
individuals
who
we
have
decided
are
not
in
the
prison
system
and
that
have
a
capacity
to
actually
live
in
a
live,
live
in
a
place
that
they
can
feel
proud
of
and
be
independent.
C
A
Okay
and
we
don't
have
all
day-
we
do
have
a
few
hours
left,
but
we
so
appreciate
it
and
committee
with
that
questions.
Please
senator
neil
you're,
always
the
first
one
that
asks
a
question
so
we're
going
out
here.
Let's
see
questions.
A
All
right,
I
will
ask
one:
I
don't
see
any
hands
up
right
this
minute,
but
I
will
ask
one
senator
neil
first
of
all,
am
I
correct
that
the
proposed
conceptual
amendment
is
this
one
prepared
by
you?
A
Is
that
the
one
that
we're
using
okay?
Thank
you
all
right,
and
then
I
know
you
just
did
this,
but
will
you
go
over
the
eviction
of
a
tenant
part
again
for
me,
okay,.
A
C
Yes,
so
what
that's
getting
at
is
so
on
the
initial
application.
You
cannot
use
the
misdemeanor
as
a
denial,
but
if,
after
they
are
settled
in
the
apartment
and
then
they
commit
a
misdemeanor
and
it
is
in
violation
of
the
rules
of
the
apartment,
you
can
be
evicted.
That's
what
that
means.
That's
what
I
that's
my
that's.
What
my
intent
is
right.
I
don't
want
them.
I
don't
want
the
pretext
to
be
you've
committed
a
crime.
C
You
have
a
criminal
history,
not
committed
to
crime,
but
you
have
a
criminal
history,
so
I
will
not
rent
to
you,
but
if
you
do
an
act
that
violates
the
rules
of
the
apartment
and
the
apartment
manager
calls
you
out
and
they
find
out
you.
I
don't
know
why
anybody
would
do
this,
but
graffiti
your
apartment
and
that's
a
grounds
for
eviction.
Then
you
can
be
evicted.
I
don't
I
don't
I'm
not
infringing
upon
the
rules
post,
signing
the
lease
and
move
in.
A
Thank
you
all
right
and
then
would
you
I
because
I'm
not
familiar
with
you've
referenced
assembly
bill
317
in
this
amendment
and
because
I'm
not
familiar,
we
haven't
heard
that
bill.
Yet.
Could
you
just
tell
us
a
maybe
a
snippet
of
what
that
bill
is
about?
Yes,.
C
So
it
prohibits
discrimination
in
housing
and
certain
other
transactions
involving
real
property
on
the
basis
of
source
of
income.
It
requires
a
person
who
refuses
to
rent
a
dwelling
to
a
prospective
tenant
to
provide
to
the
prospective
tenant
a
written
notice
that
states
the
reason
for
the
refusal,
and
then
it
also
has
a
penalty
and
I'll
try
to
break
this
down
a
little
bit
more.
C
So
in
vouchers
there
are
four
types
of
housing
situations:
there's
the
rapid
re-housing
that
happens.
There
could
be
a
section,
eight
voucher,
where
you're
allowed
to
go
and
rent,
and
there
is
I'm
looking
for
my
notes.
C
C
Okay,
let
me
just
one
second
here,
because
I
have
this
written
out
already:
okay,
so
there's
four
types,
so
there's
one
type:
there's
subsidy
only
which
is
defined
as
the
permanent
housing
subsidy
with
no
supportive
services
attached,
and
then
there
is
the
second
type
where
you
have
a
temporary
housing
voucher
for
up
to
24
months,
which
potentially
could
offer
supportive
services.
And
then
you
have
this
third
community-based
rapid
re-housing,
which
is
defined
as
the
temporary
rental
assistance.
C
And
so
basically,
that
kind
of
rapid
re-housing
is
the
kind
of
voucher
that
you
can
receive
in
order
to
go
in
and
potentially
get
into
a
weekly
for
two
weeks,
so
you're
stabilized.
And
then
you
have
a
time
period
to
then
help
you
find
an
apartment,
and
then
you
have
the
other
type
where
you
get
there.
C
The
transitional
housing
which
allows
you
to
get
supportive
services
and
maybe
you're
seeking
housing
from
a
particular
place.
This
particular
bill
is
trying
to
prevent
the
the
voucher
that
you
get
from
being
discriminated
against,
just
because
of
the
source
of
which
it
comes
from.
C
Herville
really
spells
out
the
different
different
categories,
but
it
tries
to
create
an
equal
playing
field
for
individuals
who
have
a
voucher,
and
that
is
their
source
of
I
guess
money
in
order
to
try
to
find
a
place
to
live.
C
C
She
would
take
the
vouchers
to
the
different
apartments
and
there
were
a
series
of
denials
that
she
received.
C
Having
that
voucher
not
being
able
to
get
in
at
one
point,
I
actually
intervened
because
she
was
pregnant
at
the
time
with
two
small
children
and
and
there's
an
and
there's
another
part
to
the
story.
So
she
went,
she
went
in.
She
finally
got
an
approval.
There
was
an
apartment
like
off
of
south
jones.
That
basically
said
they
would
take
her
voucher.
C
C
Yes,
then
she,
when
I
started
to
help
her,
I
actually
contacted
the
apartment
manager
and
they
came
back
with
a
denial
for
her,
but
the
denial
was
based
on
not
the
voucher
which
was
being
denied
in
other
places,
but
because
she
had
had
a
solicitation
charge
and
because
of
that
scenario,
that
was
the
impetus
for
this
bill,
because
she
she
encompassed
not
only
the
discrimination
against
the
source
of
income,
but
the
discrimination
for
her
criminal
background,
because
she
had
been
guilty
of
a
solicitation
like
three
years
ago.
C
It
was
a
fine
and
then
they
wouldn't
let
her
in,
and
I
literally
had
to
call
the
manager
talk
them
into
giving
her
the
apartment,
because
I
explained
to
them
I
said:
not
only
did
I
help
her
get
help
for
southern
nevada
voucher.
C
She
has
gone
to
seven
other
apartments
and
she
has
not
been
able
to
rent
anything.
I
have
tried
to
help
her
get
assistance
through
welfare
and
all
of
these
different
entities.
I
really
really
need
you
to
take
a
chance
on
this
woman
and
I
need
you
to
help
her
have
a
place
to
stay
so
that
when
she
has
this
baby,
she
can
actually
have
a
roof
over
her
head,
and
so
I'm
giving
you
that
example,
because
literally
that
is
what
I
encountered,
and
that
is
why
I
was
like.
C
And
before
that
point
she
had
been
living
in
her.
She
had
been
living
with
her
father
and
he
was
gonna
kick
her
out
and
because
he
was
like
I'm
not
taking
care
of
grown
people,
and
then
they
asked
me
to
step
in
because
she
wasn't
even
my
constituent.
But
they
asked
me
to
step
in
because
I
just
felt
I
could
navigate
the
system
and
try
to
help.
A
Her
okay!
Well!
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
description
and
thank
you
for
that.
Real
life
example.
I
think
that
helps
committee.
Is
there
anybody
else
that
has
a
question
vice
chair
orange
all
did
I
see
you
leaning
in
or
no.
E
I
can't
hear
you,
sir,
a
very
quick
question
chair
if
you
have
time.
Yes,
please
well,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
senator
neil,
for
proposing
this
legislation,
and
I
want
to
say
hi
to
professor
pindell.
F
E
I'm
I'm
looking
at
the
amendment
and
the
language
about
warrants.
You
know
I
just
wonder
I
mean
I
really
appreciate
the
language.
I
wonder
if
maybe
someday
in
the
future,
you
might
look
at
expanding.
F
To
the
felony
warrants,
just
because
some
people
may
have
a
warrant
out
there
and
may
not
even
know
it
and.
A
E
A
Okay,
I
see
it,
I
see
it
now.
I
was
looking
in
the
bill
and
I
see
where
you
are
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
C
Yeah
that
was
chair,
that
was,
it,
was
supposed
to
have
been
in
the
bill
and
it
was
a
drafting
error,
and
so
I
had
to
do
a
conceptual.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Additional
questions
from
the
committee.
C
Just
I
would
like
for
you
to
go
to
support
opposition
neutral.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
chair.
I
am
completely
frazzled.
It's
like
first.
A
I
H
H
We
are
in
support
of
this
bill
because
nevada
is
one
of
only
a
few
states
in
the
nation
that
does
not
yet
have
a
hud
qualified,
fair
housing
assistance
program
and
sb
254
will
ensure
that
the
nevada,
equal
rights
commission
has
the
tools
and
authority
needed
to
ensure
federal
and
state.
Fair
housing
laws
are
adequately
enforced
and
nevadans
are
protected
from
housing
discrimination.
H
We
are
in
support
of
this
bill
because
it
will
make
source
of
income
a
protected
class
under
current
nevada
law.
Renters,
who
are
reliant
on
housing,
choice,
vouchers,
rental
assistance,
disability
income
or
other
benefits
may
currently
be
denied
housing
based
on
their
legal
source
of
income,
adding
source
of
income
as
a
protected
class
in
nevada,
fair
housing
law
will
protect
vulnerable
populations
from
housing
and
stability
and
homelessness
by
removing
discriminatory
barriers
to
housing.
H
19
u.s
states
have
source
of
income
protections
in
their
state,
fair
housing
laws
and
over
100
municipalities
across
the
nation
have
passed
source
of
income
ordinances,
identifying
landlords
who
accept
vouchers
and
rental
assistance
who
do
not
discriminate
on
the
basis
of
prior
justice.
Involvement
has
become
an
extraordinarily
burdensome
and
costly
task
for
homeless
service
organizations
and
local
governments
in
southern
nevada.
H
There
are
many
families
and
households
lingering
in
homelessness
today,
because
of
these
barriers.
This
bill
will
help
us
overcome
the
turtle
and
allow
our
homeless
service
system
to
direct
scarce
funding
and
manpower
to
providing
essential
services
and
less
time
and
energy
on
the
challenge
of
finding
cooperative
landlords
requiring
property
owners
and
landlords
to
move
past.
The
practice
of
automatic
denials
to
voucher
holders
or
individuals
with
other
legal
sources
of
income
will
introduce
them
to
the
benefits
of
renting
to
individuals
with
these
stable
sources
of
income.
H
We
are
also
in
support
of
the
legislative
intent
senator
neal,
expressed
in
her
presentation
about
fair
chance.
Housing
ending
record-based
exclusions
is
essential
to
fair
housing.
Using
conviction
records
is
not
actually
a
useful
way
to
determine
a
person's
trustworthiness
or
how
good
of
a
tenant
they
may
be,
and
it
only
entrenches
the
structural
inequities
in
the
criminal
justice
system
that
have
unjust
and
disproportionate
effects
on
black
communities.
H
In
fact,
in
2016
the
u.s
department
of
housing
urban
development
issued
guidelines
that,
given
the
racial
disparities
of
the
criminal
legal
system,
housing
policies
that
include
a
blanket
ban
on
people
with
conviction
records
violate
federal,
fair
housing
laws.
However,
the
clarifying
amendment
on
section
33
significantly
restricts
who
the
fair
chance
protections
are
applied
to
by
restricting
it
to
households
and
receipt
of
rental
assistance.
While
this
will
certainly
help
our
homeless
service
system
re-house
people,
it
doesn't
protect
against
the
housing
and
stability.
Many
nevadans
or
the
history
of
justice
involvement
will
face
in
accessing
housing.
H
I
B
E
Ariel
edwards
a-r-I-e-l-l-e
e-d-w-a-r-d-s
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
north
las
vegas.
We
would
like
to
thank
senator
neil
for
bringing
this
bill
before
the
senate
committee
on
government
affairs
today.
The
city
appreciates
the
opportunity
to
testify
in
support
of
sb
254.
Fair
housing
is
essential
to
fostering
a
healthy
community
that
thrives.
We
know
that
fair
housing
can
significantly
reduce
the
rate
of
recidivism
and
aid
in
healthy,
thriving.
E
This
bill
attracted
the
priority
of
the
north
las
vegas
jail
to
promote
equity
and
opportunity
through
rehabilitation
and
re-introduction
to
society,
and
people
who
have
already
paid
their
debts
to
society
should
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
dwelling
of
their
own
for
them
and
their
families.
We
know
that
these
discriminatory
practices
disproportionately
affect
black
and
brown
communities
the
most
it
has
been
long
overdue,
but
surely
it's
time
we
move
on
from
these
racist
practices
and
ensure
that
housing,
dignity
and
respect
is
paid
to
all.
We
strongly
urge
the
committee
to
support
sb254.
I
E
E
I
would
ask
you
to
think
about
how
this
works
in
practice,
people
who
worked
hard
and
got
clean
have
to
move
into
weekly
motels
that
are
rife
with
drug
sales.
People
who
are
convicted
of
prostitution
offenses
are
pushed
back
into
dependence
on
their
pimps,
formerly,
homeless.
People
get
pushed
back
onto
the
streets.
E
Lack
of
access
to
housing
is
bad
for
these
people
and
bad
for
society
as
a
whole,
and
I
want
to
note
that
nacj
also
supports
the
original
bills
ban
on
any
landlord
using
these
background
checks
and
would
welcome
this
reform
being
made
in
a
future
session,
but
even
with
the
amendment,
this
is
still
a
strong
reform
and
nacj
supports
it.
Thank
you.
I
B
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
chair
for
the
record,
this
is
liz
davenport
l-I-z-d-a-v-e-n-p-o-r-t
on
behalf
of
the
aclu
of
nevada,
in
support
of
sb
254.
Thank
you
senator
neil,
for
bringing
this
bill.
The
aclu
supports
reforms
that
end
structural
discrimination
over
representation
of
people
of
color
in
this
justice
system
is
the
result
of
discriminatory
criminal
justice
policies
that
disadvantage
people
of
color
and
result
in
negative
impacts
to
life.
Long
after
incarceration,
specifically
in
nevada,
black
people
make
up
only
nine
percent
of
the
population
and
yet
account
for
more
than
30
percent
of
those
in
prison.
B
These
numbers
are
similar
for
other
people
of
color
people
with
arrest
and
conviction.
Records
are
routinely
blocked
from
accessing
housing
because
of
their
records.
Housing
is
a
crucial
element
for
a
successful
re-entry,
providing
stability,
shelter
and
building
community.
We
want
formerly
incarcerated
people
to
succeed
and
contribute
to
the
community
when
they
re-enter
eligibility.
Restrictions
to
housing,
especially
affordable
housing,
create
undue
hardships
that
deter
the
stability
and
success
of
formerly
incarcerated
individuals.
K
B
I
J
Thank
you
committee
for
hearing
this
bill
today.
I
am
in
support
of
sb.
234
also
want
to
thank
senator
neal
for
bringing
this
bill
to
the
forefront.
I
am
one
of
the
individuals
who
had
organized
the
meeting
with
the
young
ladies,
who
told
their
stories
and
were
vulnerable
that
day
on
the
call,
letting
you
know
their
past
experiences.
J
I
also
was
one
of
those,
ladies
who
shared
my
obstacles
and
barriers
and
shared
my
story
on
that
day,
how
even
having
full-time
employment
and
meeting
three
times
the
income,
but
it
was
such
barriers
and
obstacles
for
me
to
gain
a
place
of
residence.
It
took
me
over
a
year
and
a
half
almost
two
years,
I'm
now
in
my
own
place
in
my
own
name,
I'm
not
I'm
not
couch
surfing
anymore.
J
I
don't
live
with
anyone,
I'm
not
roommating
with
anyone
and
that's
just
a
really
really
good
feeling,
especially
after
being
in
and
out
of
the
system
for
over
15
plus
years.
My
last
conviction
incarceration
was
2011
and
just
being
actually
able
to
re-enter
back
into
society,
and
I
thank
you
for
being
able
on
that
call
that
day
and
seeing
views
from
both
sides
of
the
field,
with
the
home
association
and
personally
impacted
individuals.
J
I
am
in
support
of
this
deal
because
housing
is
a
human
right.
Housing
brings
stability
with
stability,
brings
motivation
and
desire
to
thrive
with
a
desire
to
thrive,
brings
purpose
and
determination.
J
You
have
unlimited
possibilities
to
continue
to
thrive
and
emerge
into
the
person
we
as
being
a
formerly
incarcerated,
individual
and
speaking
on
behalf
of
those
women
today
want
to
be
not
who
we
once
were
trying
not
to
be
having
stability,
gives
us
morals,
standards,
principles
and
values
that,
at
one
point
for
a
person,
that's
formerly
incarcerated
or
a
person
who
has
never
been
given
a
fair
chance,
really
could
care
less
about
having
more
principles
value.
Just
can
my
past
doesn't
define,
who
I
am
today
or
who
I
am
constantly
striving
to
be.
I
E
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
to
be
here
today
and
extremely
proud
to
stand
with,
with
senator
neil
and
and
the
rest
of
the
testimony
and
support
of
this
legislation,
I'm
in
a
unique
position
today
about
25
years
ago,
I
was
homeless
myself
and
I
am
extremely
lucky
to
be
where
I
am
today
because
of
the
grace
of
good
people
and
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
help
avoid
the
cycle
of
exploitation
that
you've
heard
about.
E
E
I
K
K
Using
conviction
records
to
determine
a
person's
trustworthiness
as
a
tenant
only
deepens
the
structural
inequities
and
criminal
justice
system,
which
already
negatively
and
disproportionately
impacts
the
black
community,
sc
254
will
impact
more
than
just
people
with
convictions.
Nearly
half
of
the
children
in
the
united
states
have
parents
who
have
been
convicted
of
a
crime
which
makes
housing
discrimination
based
on
criminal
records
like
a
reproductive
justice
issue.
Not
only
this,
but
a
lack
of
access
to
housing
has
consequences
on
a
person's
health
and
access
to
medical
services
planned
parenthood
votes.
Nevada
urges
you
to
support
sc254.
I
I
J
T-I-A-R-A
more
m-o-o-r-e,
I
am
the
housing
justice
organizer,
with
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada.
Here
in
support
of
senator
254.
When
I
was
20
years
old,
I
was
forced
into
a
plea
deal.
If
I
wanted
to
return
home
to
my
children,
I
was
attacked,
violated
and
assaulted
by
my
children's
father.
After
him,
almost
ending
my
life,
I
was
arrested
and
charged
with
aggravated
domestic
battery,
which
is
a
class
class
c
felony
and
a
non-expungable
or
syllable
felony.
J
This
violent
felony
has
followed
me
for
the
past
17
years,
I'm
now
37
years
old,
and
this
happened
when
I
was
20.,
I
had
never
been
arrested.
I
had
no
prior
record,
but
I
was
forcing
a
plea
deal
for
defending
myself.
I
have
been
denied
housing,
I
have
been
denied
shelter
and
I
have
also
been
denied
employment.
Due
to
this
felony.
J
J
I
E
E
We
would
like
to
thank
senator
neal
for
bringing
this
extremely
important
piece
of
legislation.
Fun
and
simple
criminal
history
should
not
be
a
deterrent
in
attaining
and
securing
affordable
and
safe
housing.
Stable
and
affordable
housing
is
an
important
component
in
reducing
tibetan
civilization
and
allowing
people
to
provide
for
themselves
and
for
their
families.
E
The
language
looks
to
protect
those
who
are
trying
to
find
housing
who
use
housing
vouchers,
disability
or
who
have
that
housing
vouchers,
disability,
income
and
other
government
assistance
from
being
discriminated
against.
It's
an
important
step
forward
to
making
sure
we
are
able
to
house
as
many
folks
as
we
can
as
housing
is
a
right.
Thank
you.
I
G
My
name
is
leslie
turner,
e
l-e-s-l-I-e-t,
u
r
n
e
r
and
I'm
with
plan
and
the
mass
liberation
project
and
as
well
as
the
vegas
freedom
fund,
the
intersection
between
housing
and
mass
incarceration
is
profound.
For
instance,
we
could
have
emptied
the
city
jail
here
in
las
vegas
this
past
summer,
during
the
pandemic,
where
100
of
the
population
were
incarcerated
for
misdemeanors.
G
G
G
If
we
want
to
eradicate
not
only
systemic
racism,
but
also
the
consequences
of
systemic
racism,
we
must
start
looking
at
housing
and
create
policy
as
well
as
new
resources.
Housing
should
be
for
everyone.
Every
single
person
should
have
shelter
at
the
very
least
as
a
as
a
society,
we
have
to
start
taking
steps
to
get
there,
I'm
in
support
of
this
bill,
because
this
bill
will
help
people
in
my
community.
G
I
I
I
F
F
We're
opposed
to
section
33
of
sb
254
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
first
off,
while
the
bill
is
a
well-intentioned
attempt
to
address
discrimination
in
housing
and
many
of
its
provisions
are
laudable
and
should
be
adopted.
Section
33
takes
the
matter
simply
too
far
and
puts
nevada's
tenants
at
risk.
F
F
These
the
carve
outs
that
were
originally
in
the
bill
and
that
are
now
set
forth
in
the
proposed
amendment
also
do
not
address
these
problems.
In
fact,
the
attempt
to
include
ab317
source
of
income
language
expands
this
bill's
applicability
and,
in
fact,
renders
the
attempted
limitations
in
the
amendment
almost
meaning.
F
At
this
point,
section
33
also
creates
a
conflict
between
nevada
law
and
the
fair
housing
act
as
it
relates
to
specified
drug
crimes.
The
fair
housing
act
provides
that
landlord
can
consider
whether
somebody
was
convicted
of
a
certain
drug
crime
and
evaluating
whether
or
not
to
allow
them
to
rent
a
dwelling
that
they
have.
This
would
actually
say
that
they
cannot
do
that
and
that's
in
violation
and
puts
us
in
contradiction
with
the
fair
housing
issues.
F
In
short,
section
33
of
the
bill
hurts
nevada's
tenants
by
taking
away
their
landlord's
ability
to
appropriately
evaluate
and
screen
senate.
The
federal,
fair
housing
act
does
not
prohibit
housing
providers
from
appropriately
considering
criminal
history
information
when
making
housing
decisions,
and
neither
should
nevada
law.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Cher
and
members
of
the.
I
K
Chair
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
susie
vasquez,
s-u-s-y,
v,
victor
a-s-q-u-e-z
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
state
department
association.
We
stand
in
opposition
to
senate
bill
254,
but
are
committed
to
working
with
senator
dina
neal.
The
apartment
association
started
to
work
with
senator
neil.
Last
year
we
participated
in
a
round
table
and
heard
first-hand
accounts
from
mostly
formerly
incarcerated
women
that
struggled
to
find
housing
because
of
their
criminal
past.
I
personally
have
been
impacted
by
people
that
I
love
who
face
the
same
situation.
K
Unfortunately,
criminal
convictions
carry
consequences
and,
as
an
association,
we
owe
a
duty
to
our
residents
to
ensure
their
safety.
That
is
why
our
industry's
best
practices
follow
hud's
guidance
from
2016,
which
is
very
clear
on
what
direction
communities
should
take
to
minimize
disparate
impact
in
housing.
Such
policies
result
in
1.5
percent
of
tenant,
screening
denials
resulting
from
criminal
history.
Sb
254
goes
too
far
an
outright
ban
on
criminal
background
screening
means
nevada
would
join
four
localities
across
our
nation
that
have
taken
this
extreme
approach.
K
The
washington
state
legislature
decided
not
to
ban
the
box
after
hearing
startling
statistics
of
the
consequences
related
to
seattle's,
fair
chance,
housing
ordinance.
Those
statistics
were
evictions
tripled
in
two
years,
for
residents
being
evicted
for
committing
crimes.
Amenities
started
to
disappear
because
of
the
theft
and
unsanitary
conditions
and
armed
security
now
patrols,
most
communities,
the
people
who
reside
in
the
160
000
units
under
our
care
deserve
to
feel
safe
at
home.
Finally,
we
do
not
have
significant
issues
with
source
of
income
protections.
K
I
E
Good
afternoon
senators,
my
name
is
greg
peake
and
that
is
p-e-e-k
and
I'm
in
reno
nevada,
my
family
and
I
have
been
building
apartments
since
1959.,
we
house
more
than
4
000
residents
in
northern
nevada
and
I'm
proud
to
do
so.
We've
been
a
long
time
part
of
this
community.
We
share
the
goal
and
the
well-intended
goals
of
the
legislation.
E
The
section
40
33
simply
goes
too
far:
those
people
who
have
paid
their
price
to
society
and
are
now
law,
abiding
and
productive
citizens.
They
have
a
place
in
our
communities
and
was,
as
mentioned
earlier.
There
is
guidance
out
there
under
the
fair
housing
act
and
I
have
provided
that
guidance
to
the
committee.
The
guidance
was
provided
issued
by
the
obama
administration
on
april
4
2016,
and
I'm
going
to
quote
the
summer.
E
That
is
a
balanced
approach
to
this
issue
of
criminal
convictions
to
not
allow
landlords
to
conduct
criminal
background
checks
gives
us
the
risk,
as
has
been
proven,
gives
us
the
risk
of
putting
violent
offenders
into
our
communities,
and
that
has
been
proven.
Not
all
climbs
are
created
are
created
equal,
the
balance
must
be.
We
must
have
balance
and
transparency,
violent
crime
convictions,
not
the
same
as
marijuana
possession
conviction.
Armed
assault
is
not
the
same
as
solicitation,
we
must
know,
and
the
landlord
must
have
discretion.
E
I
also
sent
to
the
committee
reno's
crime-free,
multi-housing
community
program,
reno
established
the
program
in
2007
and
in
the
program
it
tries
to
address
and
tries
to
address
gangs
and
and
and
drug
sales
in
communities
and
what
it
does,
and
this
is
the
city
of
reno's
program.
It
requires
those
of
us
who
participate,
we
proudly
participate
to
run
background
checks.
It
provides
model
application
language
to
that
requires
us
to
run
background
checks
on
on
people,
and
so
the
city
of
reno
recognizes
the
importance
of
of
a
landlord's
ability
to
evaluate
an
applicant's
background.
E
And
again,
we
must
take
a
look
at
whether
that
background
is
going
to
be
a
risk
in
our
community
and
if
it's
not
a
risk,
if
it
is
not
a
risk,
a
criminal
background
does
not
automatically
disqualify
them
from
living
in
a
community.
This
is
a
public
safety
issue.
It's
a
very
true
public
safety
issue.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
christine
hess
b-h-r-I-s-t-I-n-e
hes
h-e-s-s,
and
I
am
the
executive
director
for
the
nevada
housing
coalition.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
our
neutral
position
on
sb
254
today.
Nhc
is
monitoring
the
bill
and
wanted
to
learn
more
through
this
first
hearing,
however,
with
the
addition
of
source
of
income
protection
in
senator
neil's
conceptual
amendment,
we're
able
to
share
our
strong
support
for
that
component.
Thank
you,
senator
neal,
for
your
leadership.
K
We
must
mitigate
barriers
and
support
the
opportunities
for
our
more
vulnerable
and
our
working
nevadans
to
access
our
already
limited
supply
of
affordable
housing.
The
source
of
income
provisions
of
ab317
that
are
added
per
the
conceptual
amendment
are
provision
provisions
on
which
the
nevada
housing
coalition
has
worked
closely
with
various
stakeholders.
K
Currently
in
nevada
landlords
can
refuse
tenancy
to
housing
applicants
simply
based
upon
the
applicant's
source
of
income,
whether
that's
a
housing,
voucher,
social
security,
disability
or
other
public
or
adjudicated
source
of
income.
As
mentioned
earlier
19
other
states
and
the
district
of
columbia
have
enacted
source
of
income
protections.
K
In
fact,
nevada's
own
clark
county
passed
an
emergency
ordinance
last
august,
renewed
in
january
to
prevent
protect
against
source
of
income
discrimination.
These
sources
of
income,
like
vouchers,
are
actually
stable
and
benefit.
Our
lord
landlords
research
released
this
month
examined
the
amount
of
back
grant
owed
by
low-rent
low-income
tenants
and
found
that
68
of
low-income
tenants
with
vouchers
owe
less
than
a
thousand
dollars
in
background,
including
those
who
owe
none.
K
This
is
also
a
racial
and
social
equity
opportunity
for
nevada,
77
percent
of
nevada
housing
choice.
Voucher
holders
are
female,
head
of
households
and
39
of
those
are
with
children.
Additionally,
69
of
voucher
holders
in
nevada
represent
minority
populations
when
housing
choice,
voucher
holders
cannot
find
landlords
that
will
rent
them.
Those
federal
dollars
are
lost
to
nevada
rental
assistance,
supports
working
families,
51
percent
of
non-disabled
working
age,
nevada,
households
receiving
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
Rental
assistance
include
at
least
one
worker.
K
Finally,
we
do
acknowledge
concerns
with
the
ability
of
intermediaries
to
sometimes
do
their
part
in
this
process
efficiently
and
the
nevada
housing
coalition
pledges
to
support
efficient
processes
associated
with
the
source
of
income
statute
also
noted
in
sb
254.
The
nevada,
equal
rights
commission
is
the
agency
already
directed
with
handling
housing
issues.
We
support
expanding
the
capacity
of
nevada,
equal
rights
commission,
which
will
benefit
nevadans
with
housing
issues
and
concerns
like
source
of
income
discrimination.
I
J
My
name
is
tiffany
turner,
l-a-t-I-f-f-a-m-y
k-u-r-n-a-l,
I'm
affiliate
the
plan
and
I'm
a
formerly
incarcerated
individual
who
has
been
impacted.
J
There
are
struggles
because
I
I've
never
had
an
apartment,
didn't
know
how
to
go
about
getting
an
apartment.
I
haven't
worked
that
long
and
when
I
did
get
a
job
I
was
able
to
get
on
my
feet.
There
was
so
many
hurdles
I
had
to
go
through
just
to
get
the
approval.
J
It
was
very
frustrating
and
in
the
end
I
owe
more
money
than
I
was
in
debt
at
first,
when
I
first
got
released
from
prison
and
the
resources
in
nevada
are
limited
and
there
are
so
many
hurdles
and
obstacles
to
go
through
to
get
help
with
any
agency
in
nevada
so
being
incarcerated.
For
seven
years
of
my
life
and
I'm
33.
J
It
it
it
was
hard
to
jump
back
into
society
and
and
to
get
my
mind,
focused
to
do
the
positive
thing
because
of
all
the
hurdles
I
just
gave
up,
and
I
resulted
back
to
being
in
criminal
activity.
You
know
falsifying
documents
to
make
it
appear,
as
I
had
it
when
I
didn't,
because
it
was
a
requirement,
an
application
and
that's
my
first
thought
and
that's
not
a
good
feeling,
because
I
felt
like
if.
J
All
these
simulations
wasn't
a
part
of
an
and
application.
The
background
that
I
have
my
chances
are
slim
to
none,
and
I
know
that
before
I
hit
submit
and
that's
discouraging,
very
discouraging,
and
for
the
first
time
in
my
life
I
was
depressed
for
a
whole
year
last
year
and
the
apartment
that
I'm
talking
about
was
my
very
first
one.
J
It
was
with
a
woman
that
I
thought
was
a
married
that
I
met
while
I
was
incarcerated,
it
got
back
to
where
I
left
the
apartment.
That
was
in
my
name
and
I
went
back
to
live
with
my
mother,
so
I
let
her
have
the
appointment
because
elise
was
up
and
she
just
skipped,
and
so
there's
all
these
funds
and
problems
that
I'm
going
through
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
you
know
and
being
incarcerated.
Is
you
know
a
very
a
sealed
sign
in
the
deliverance
camp
on
your
on
your
body.
J
Every
time
you
go
to
do
something
you
know,
and
I
think
some
of
the
laws
should
be
more
lean
or
not
not
on
there
at
all
when
you're
doing
an
application,
because
las
vegas
has
one
of
the
most
highest
rates
for
homelessness
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
know,
know
that
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
people
are
ashamed
to
talk
about
it,
but
you
shouldn't
be
judged
on
what
you've
done.
No
one's
perfect
and
everybody
has
done
something
that
they
shouldn't
have
done.
J
So,
what's
so
different
about
us
being
incarcerated
versus
someone
that
wasn't
incarcerated,
so
I
just
think
we
should
be
given
a
chance,
no
matter
who
we
are
or
what
we've
been
through.
A
J
A
B
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us,
ms
jenkins.
Okay,
with
that
senator
neil
closing
comments,
thank
you.
C
D
Thank
you
senator,
and
I
just
have
a
30
seconds
or
a
minute's
worth
of
comments,
and
I,
of
course
you
know
appreciate
the
concerns
that
were
raised
around
safety
and
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
things
for
us
to
consider.
One
is
the
the
bill.
254
does
contain
provisions
to
evict
tenants
who
commit
crimes
and
lease
infractions
as
tenants.
D
We
heard
some
statistics
about
the
experience
in
seattle
that
evictions
tripled,
after
enactment
of
the
fair
chance
housing
law
in
seattle,
and
I
think,
that's
a
demonstration
that
landlords
do
have
and
to
retain
the
power
and
ability
to
evict
tenants
who
become
a
problem
while
giving
other
tenants
like
many
of
them
that
you've
heard
in
support
of
this
bill
in
the
call
a
chance
it
was
mentioned
that
1.5
of
tenant
screening
is
a
pretty
small
number,
so
that
many
tenants
aren't
precluded
from
housing
because
of
attendance
screening
and
I
might
frame
it
the
other
way,
which
is
because
it's
such
a
small
number.
D
Let's
again
give
these
tenants
who
have
paid
their
debt
to
society
a
chance
to
move
forward
with
their
lives.
We've
heard
from
many
of
the
supporters:
the
criminal
history
is
a
poor
prophecy
for
future
action
and
then
last
there
are
other
ways
to
secure
safety
in
our
apartment,
buildings
and
housing.
Rather
than
looking
at
criminal
history,
we've
talked
about
evictions
and
the
ability
of
landlords
to
evict
holding
tenants
accountable
for
police
provisions
and
other
tools,
so
landlords
would
retain
those
traditional
tools
to
keep
their
housing
units
safe.
D
With
that,
I
will
turn
it
back
to
senator
neal.
C
Thank
you
for
that,
professor
pindell,
and
so
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
really
highlight
a
statement
as
well.
That
was
stated
by
one
of
the
folks
in
opposition,
draw
your
attention
committee
to
section
33,
sub
2,
a
and
b
and
in
this
particular
provision
I
did
adopt
federal
language.
I
don't
believe
I'm
in
conflict,
this
provision,
which
is
42
usc,
13663
cfr,
982
5553,
42
usc
13663,
has
the
federal
prohibitions
which
are
which
are
standard,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
very
thoughtful
about
this
bill.
C
Drug-Related
criminal
activity,
where
the
federal
law
has
prohibited
it
is
it
keeps
that
same
provision
which
it
is
prohibited,
violent
criminal
activity.
That
is
a
permissive
prohibition,
but
I
adopted
it
into
this
bill
to
make
sure
that
section
33
did
not-
and
I
repeat,
did
not
apply
to
those
to
that
federal
law.
So
basically,
in
essence,
what
I
did
was
say
if
there
was
any
federal
prohibition
currently
in
place,
I
did
not
remove
it
with
this
bill.
C
Nor
did
I
remove
any
federal
or
state
prohibition
that
we
had
adopted
in
our
statute,
but
I
did
give
a
place
and
a
carve
out
around
those
things
which
are
in
sections
33,
1
a
b
and
c
said
section.
2
is
everything
what
does
not
apply
not
in
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
clear
that
I
was
very
thoughtful
about
safety.
C
I
was
very
thoughtful
about
what,
if
what
is
federally
prohibited
and
thinking
about
the
red
flags
that
may
think
first,
that
may
come
to
someone's
mind
about
having
a
person
living
next
to
them,
but
I
think
we
have
to
consider
that
if
you
have
paid
your
debt
to
society,
where
are
you
going
to
live?
C
A
C
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
believe
senator
dallas
harris
I'm
here.
Okay,
yay,
so
senator
dallas
harris
will
be
co-presenting
with
this
bill,
sb
327,
which
is
on
hair
discrimination.
C
M
M
So
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember,
but
during
the
first
special
session
I
had
my
hair
braided
kind
of
straight
back,
and
I
had
my
godmother
braid,
my
hair,
as
she
has
done
many
of
times
in
my
life
and
when
I
called
her
up
to
ask
her
if
she
could
braid
me
up,
so
I
could,
you
know,
be
in
good
condition
for
the
the
the
special
session.
M
I
don't
know
what
does
there
have
been
many
of
times
in
my
life
in
my
godmother's
life
in
the
in
the
women,
the
very,
very
strong
black
women
who
have
who
have
raised
me
where
they
have
felt
that
in
order
to
be
professional
in
order
to
to
be
acceptable,
you've
got
to
straighten
your
hair.
M
It's
probably
impossible
to
calculate
how
many
young
african-american
women
going
out
there
into
the
profession,
felt
the
pressure
to
straighten
their
hair
when
they
went
to
the
job
interview
and
maybe
felt
lucky
and
bold
enough
to
to
come
in
with
a
natural
hairstyle
on
day,
one
after
they
had
gotten
the
job
or
after
their
past
their
probation
period
and
felt
that
they
could
be
themselves
a
little
bit
more
no
longer
in
nevada.
M
We've
got
to
stop
that
no
longer
should
anyone
feel
like
they
need
to
change
the
nature
of
their
hair
in
order
to
fit
in.
In
order
to
not
get
kicked
out
of
school
in
order
to
secure
a
job
or
or
to
maintain
that
job
and
that's
what
this
this
bill
is
about,
and
so
again
thank
you,
senator
neal,
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
C
Thank
you
senator
harris
and
thank
you
for
those
comments
chair.
We
have
a
series
of
presenters.
We
have
a
dr
wendy
green,
who
is
a
legal
scholar
around
hair
discrimination
in
the
crown
act
which
has
been
passed
in
several
states.
It
also
has
passed
in
our
u.s
house
of
representatives.
C
Last
year
we
have
miss
delilah,
I'm
looking
for
the
name.
C
Who
will
also
present
and
tell
a
story
as
a
an
attorney
right
and
then
we
have
a
student,
miss
knight.
It's
naika
naika
help
me
with
your
last
name:
ellie's
there
bellazer,
who
is
a
teen
who
is
going
to
tell
her
story
because
the
portion
of
the
bill
at
the
back
deals
with
hair
discrimination
in
schools
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
something,
really
quick
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
dr
green.
But
this
bill
is
very
important
to
me
just
the
same
as
senator
harris's
story.
C
When
I
first
came
to
the
legislature,
I
think
in
20
well
in
2011
2013
I
had
braids
and
I
was
told
that
it
was
not
professional
for
me
to
have
braids
and
I
felt
really
saddened
by
the
comment,
mainly
because
I
had
braids
number
one,
because
it's
cold
up
here
and
I
didn't
want
to
have
to
wear
my
hair
out
every
day
in
25
degree,
weather
wet,
and
I
felt
that
braids
were
a
protective
style
that
I
had
worn
forever,
and
it
was
one
that
I
felt
allowed
me
to
still
wear
my
hair
and
not
feel
like.
C
I
had
to
you
know
don
a
wig
or
something,
and
I
was
literally
told
that
it
was
unprofessional
and
that
they
didn't
see
me
as
professional
as
a
second
year
legislator
having
my
braids
and
it's
not
like
my
braids
were
unkept.
C
They
were
actually
they
look
very
nice,
and
that
was
just
the
story
that
I
had
to
share
because
it
it
impacted
me,
I'm
a
pretty
strong
person,
but
I
took
mental
note
of
it
and
when
I
finally
got
the
opportunity-
and
I
was
asked
to
bring
this
legislation-
I
was
like
yes
and
emphatically
yes,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
dr
wendy
green.
L
Again,
I
am
woody
green,
I'm
a
professor
of
law
at
drexel
university,
thomas
r,
klein
school
of
bluff
and
founder
of
the
hashtag
free,
the
hair
movement.
For
13
years
I
have
published
an
authoritative
body
of
legal
scholarship
on
the
social
construction
of
race
and
the
contemporary
operation
of
racial
discrimination,
not
only
in
the
united
states
but
throughout
the
americas,
in
the
caribbean
and
even
in
other
spaces
around
the
world.
L
Who
was
told
by
a
news
watcher
that
she
needed
to
change
her
naturally
curly
hair
to
something
not
so
inward
eagerly,
looking
informed
by
these
and
other
racial
stereotypes.
Grooming
policies
are
often
enforced
to
deprive
african
descendants,
employment,
education,
employment,
education,
housing
and
access
to
public
accommodations.
L
L
Similarly,
when
when
donning
natural
and
protective
hairstyles
african
descendant,
women
and
girls
are
deprived
employment,
educational
and
extracurricular
opportunities,
along
with
being
subjected
to
heightened
levels
of
scrutiny
resulting
in
greater
levels
of
discipline
in
schools
and
workplaces,
and
notably
when
it
deals
with
black
women
and
girls,
natural
hair
bands.
That
and
again
maybe
I
should
put
some
little
context
to
this.
When
we
talk
about
natural
hairstyles.
L
What
we're
talking
about
are
afros
lots,
braids
twists
bantu
knots,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
when
you
tell
us
that
we
can't
wear
those
types
of
hairstyles,
especially
as
black
women
and
girls.
What
it
really
means
is
that
it's
either
going
to
require
us
to
cut
off
our
hair,
to
cover
our
hair
or
to
wear
our
hair
straighten
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
really
understand
what
the
latter
means.
L
Research
also
indicates
potential
correlations
between
hair
straightening
products
that
black
women
and
girls
commonly
use
and
their
increased
rate
decreased
rate
of
developing
uterine,
fibroids,
hormone-related,
infertility
and
more
aggressive
forms
of
breast
and
uterine
cancer.
Therefore,
natural
hair
bands
leave
african
descendant
women
and
girls
in
a
precarious
catch-22:
either
don
your
natural
hair
at
the
risk
of
lawfully
being
deprived
of
an
employment
or
educational
opportunity,
or
dawn
straight
hair.
At
the
risk
of
enduring
consequential
harms
to
your
physiological
psychological,
economic
and
physical
well-being.
L
This
harmful
bond,
many
black
women
and
girls
find
themselves
is
unfortunately,
lawful
under
federal
jurisprudence.
Due
to
what
I
call
a
hair,
splitting
legal
distinction
that
federal
courts
have
created
shortly
after
the
1964
civil
rights
act
was
enacted,
federal
courts
adopted
what
is
known
as
the
immutability
doctrine
that
limits
the
scope
of
legal
protection
against
racial
discrimination
to
discrimination
on
the
basis
of
immutable
racial
characteristics.
L
However,
the
moment
she
twists
locks
or
braids
her
afro
and
suffers
adverse
treatment
on
those
grounds.
The
employer's
discrimination
is
deemed
magically
lawful.
It's
no
longer
about
race
and
employers
are
free
to
discriminate
against
locks,
grades
twists
and
other
types
of
natural
protective
hair
cycles.
L
Sp
327
ensures
that
this
unjustifiable
gap
in
federal
civil
rights
protection
does
not
exist
in
nevada,
redressing
a
pervasive
form
of
racial
discrimination
that
harkens
back
to
the
eras
of
racial
slavery
in
this
country
and
abroad.
For
nearly
four
centuries,
like
our
skin
color,
african
descendants,
hairstyles
resulting
from
our
curly
or
coily
hair
texture
have
served
as
a
marker
of
our
racial
identity
and
therefore
a
vehicle
of
racial
enslavement,
segregation
and
subordination,
even
in
the
21st
century,
full
enjoyment
of
one's
freedom,
personhood
and
dignity
remains
connected
to
the
texture
of
one's
hair.
L
Race-Based
natural
hair
discrimination
is
a
common
barrier
to
african
descendants,
employment
and
educational
opportunities
domestically
as
well
as
globally.
In
fact,
as
this
hearing
is
transpiring
today,
high
school
students
in
london
are
protesting
racial
inequities
in
their
high
school
and
specifically
demanding
changes
to
school
grooming
policies
that
bar
black
students
from
wearing
afros
and
other
natural
hairstyles.
L
Also,
two
black
students
in
ghana
are
challenging
their
potential
expulsion
from
school
if
they
refuse
to
cut
off
their
lives.
One
may
say:
what's
the
big
deal,
just
change
your
hair,
just
cut
it
off?
Well,
just
as
adoring
a
hijab
is
often
an
essential
expression
of
many
muslim
women's
religious
beliefs.
For
for
for
many
african
descendants
donning
natural
hairstyles
is
a
critical
feature
of
their
racial
identity
or
simply
how
their
hair
grows.
L
I
thank
senator
neil
and
senator
harris
for
their
leadership
in
advancing
this
important
civil
rights
legislation
that
does
not
afford
special
treatment,
but
rather
equal
treatment
for
all
who
experience
racial
discrimination
on
the
basis
of
ancestry,
ethnic
identity,
as
well
as
characteristics
associated
with
racial
identity
such
as
one's
skin
complexion,
hair,
texture,
hairstyle,
language
or
accent
to
name
a
few
committee
members.
I
urge
you
to
advance
sd
327,
which
provides
effective
statutory
protection
when
these
forms
of
racial
discrimination
occur
in
nevada's
workplaces
in
schools,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
Professor
green,
thank
you
so
much.
I
I
have
to
interact
with
you
for
just
a
minute,
because
I
I
just
actually
told
senator
neil
that
I
find
the
braids
works
of
art.
I
am
so
enamored
when
I
see
these
beautiful
works
of
art,
that's
all
I
can
say
because
they
take
hours
and
hours
to
do
and
I'm
so
amazed
at
them.
So
thank
you
for
that
information.
I
I'm
really.
A
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
didn't
know
dr
green.
If
delilah
you
know,
I
wanted
her
to
present
and
then
nakia,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
messing
up
your
name,
but
I'm
sorry.
L
B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members.
My
name
is
delilah
clay,
I'm
an
attorney
and
a
legislative
advocate,
and
I'm
testifying
in
my
personal
capacity
about
my
experience
with
natural
hair
in
the
workplace.
I
attended
law
school
at
northwestern
university
from
2009
to
2012,
which
was
right
in
the
midst
of
the
great
recession.
B
The
legal
market
got
hit
particularly
hard
during
the
downturn.
Some
firms
collapsed,
others
laid
off
large
numbers
of
attorneys
and
those
layoffs
were
having
a
disproportionate
impact
on
attorneys
of
color.
So
naturally,
as
law
students,
there
was
a
lot
of
angst
about
our
ability
to
get
jobs
in
that
market.
I
remember
being
given
career
advice
by
practicing
attorneys
during
that
time
about
the
importance
of
looking
like
you
fit
and
wearing
straight
hair
was
a
part
of
that
advice
that
stuck
with
me
upon
graduation.
B
I
went
on
to
practice
at
a
large
law
firm
in
chicago
about
two
years
into
my
tenure.
I
got
into
a
place
where
I
didn't
want
to
continue
straightening
my
hair.
At
that
point.
I've
been
chemically
straightening
my
hair
for
many
years,
and
it
was
taking
its
toll.
My
hair
was
prone
to
breakage.
It
had
started
to
thin.
I
developed
scalp
problems,
including
excessive
dandruff
and
stabs
from
chemical
burns,
and
the
only
thing
that
was
stopping
me
from
making
a
different
choice
was
my
concern
about
how
natural
hair
would
affect
me
at
work.
B
I
wasn't
sure
whether
I'd
be
subjected
to
commentary
about
my
hair
or
the
loss
of
opportunities.
I'd
seen
examples
of
that
at
other
firms
and
I
wasn't
sure
how
it
was
going
to
impact
me.
I
was
hiding
something
that
is
a
defining
racial
characteristic,
because
I
was
afraid
of
discrimination
psychologically,
that's
damaging.
It's
a
tacit
acceptance
of
the
idea
that
black
hair
is
inferior.
B
I
ended
up
moving
back
to
california
about
a
year
later
to
be
closer
to
my
family,
and
I
decided
I
wasn't
going
to
hide
any
longer.
I
was
intentional
about
going
to
all
of
my
job
interviews
with
braids.
I
wanted
it
to
be
clear
how
I
was
going
to
present
myself,
but
that
decision
meant
I
was
accepting
the
risk
that
it
might
be
harder
for
me
to
find
employment.
B
I
decided
authenticity
was
worth
taking
the
chance,
but
that's
the
point
of
sb
327.
No
one
should
have
to
make
that
choice
between
expressing
their
racial
identity
and
missing
out
on
economic
opportunities.
I've
been
natural.
Now
for
five
years,
I
was
able
to
work
on
similar
legislation
known
as
the
crown
act
as
it
made
its
way
through
the
california
legislature
in
2019..
B
One
of
the
things
that
stood
out
for
me
about
that
effort
was
how
many
people,
the
legislative
members
staff
industry
trade
groups,
were
completely
unaware
of
this
issue.
They
hadn't
made
the
link
between
hair
and
racial
discrimination,
but
upon
learning
about
it,
they
came
to
understand
the
problem
and
I
think
that's
true
of
most
companies
and
businesses.
They
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
Companies
talk
a
lot
about
how
to
recruit
and
retain
talented
employees
of
color
and
workplace
policies.
Excluding
natural
hairstyles
is
one
such
barrier,
but
sometimes
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know.
B
Legislation
like
sp
327
really
creates
an
opportunity
in
our
workplaces
to
have
the
discussion
and
establish
some
brightline
rules
to
avoid
inadvertent,
discriminatory
policies.
These
bills
are
spurring
hr,
trainings
and
information
sharing
on
best
practices.
The
goal
of
this
legislation
is
really
to
create
a
standard
that
ultimately
improves
inclusivity.
B
We
shouldn't
have
to
spend
time
and
energy
worrying
that
our
hair
might
limit
our
options,
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whether
my
hair
is
straight
in
braids
or
in
locks
has
absolutely
no
bearing
on
the
quality
of
my
work.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thanks
to
senator
neil
and
senator
harris
for
championing
this
issue,
and
I
respectfully
urge
your
support
of
sb327.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Senator
neal
was
nikki
nakia.
C
N
It's
okay.
I
get
it
all
the
time.
Okay
go
ahead
and
tell
us
your
story
of
course
well
good
afternoon,
everyone
here
today
and
the
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
sorry
if
I
speak
a
little
too
quick,
because
I
only
have
three
minutes
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
everything
out,
but
my
name
is
naika
belizar
and
I'm
testifying
today
in
support
outsider
deena,
neal's,
sb,
327,
hair
bill
as
a
student
in
ccsd
and
also
on
behalf
of
code
switch
restorative
justice
for
girls
of
color.
N
So
my
story
is
that
in
the
summer
before
8th
grade,
I
took
a
really
big
step.
After
years
of
listening
to
society,
tell
me
that
my
curly
hair
was
ugly
or
feeling
as
though
I
wasn't
enough.
I
had
decided
to
throw
away
all
my
hair
relaxers
and
go
natural
to
love
my
natural
curls,
so
it
felt
only
right
that
I
wore
an
afro
on
the
first
day
of
eighth
grade
at
hyde
park
middle
school.
N
N
So
I
was
very
confused
when
the
teacher
called
on
me
to
her
desk
and
told
me
that
I
was
being
a
distraction
when
I
asked
what
she
had
meant.
She
stated
that
my
hair
was
being
a
distraction
and
disrupting
the
classroom
environment.
Again
I
was
confused
within
my
hair
has
to
do
with
this
and,
while
contemplating
what
I
could
have
done
wrong,
my
teacher
handed
me
a
slip
that
stated
that
I
should
be
dress
coded
and
suspended
for
insubordination.
N
I
was
scared,
as
I
walked
to
the
principal's
office
when
I
arrived
to
the
front
office
and
showed
the
secretary
my
slip.
Even
she
was
confused.
She
asked
if
I
was
doing
anything
with
my
hair
during
class,
and
I
told
her.
No,
unfortunately,
she
told
me
to
sit
down
and
wait
for
the
class
to
end
because
I
didn't
deserve
to
have
an
infraction
on
my
school
record,
just
because
a
teacher
didn't
like
my
hair.
N
The
next
day
I
knew
I
couldn't
ignore
the
teacher,
so
I
went
to
class
and
sat
in
the
back
again,
but
I
watched,
as
my
teacher
grew
angry,
seeing
that
I
was
not
suspended.
The
second
class
ended
I
watched
as
she
marched
the
principal's
office
and
minutes
later
the
words
naika
belizar.
Please
come
to
the
principal's
office
running
throughout
the
school.
N
When
I
got
to
the
office,
the
principal
told
me
that,
fortunately
I
wasn't
being
suspended,
but
from
that
moment
on,
I
was
prohibited
from
wearing
an
afro
to
school
because
it
was
too
unprofessional
at
the
time.
I
was
heartbroken
a
day
before
that
I
had
felt
on
top
of
the
world
that
grow
out
and
proud,
but
at
that
moment
I
felt
insignificant
all
over
again.
I
didn't
know
at
the
time
that
I
was
being
discriminated
against.
N
I
was
one
of
the
few
black
students
in
that
school
and
I
never
seen
any
other
students
get
dress
coded
for
their
hair.
I
didn't
know
at
the
time
that
I
had
the
right
as
a
human
being
to
wear
my
hair.
The
way
I
chose
to
just
like
everybody
else,
while
it's
saddening
that
I
have
to
be
in
front
of
you
all
pushing
for
the
right
to
wear
my
hair
in
school
or
at
work
or
anywhere
without
having
backlash.
This
is
a
necessary
step.
N
This
is
why
I
support
this
bill
because
something
as
natural
as
my
hair
should
not
be
seen
as
a
distraction
or
unprofessional.
I
do
not
want
any
other
young
black
child
or
black
person
to
feel
the
way
that
I
did
to
have
their
pride
stripped
from
them
and
instead
be
forced
to
feel
insignificant
and
lesser
than
just
because
their
hair
is
a
little
different
or
have
to
choose
between
expressing
ourselves
and
having
to
have
a
clean
record
for
school.
N
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
that
was
that
was
the
extent
of
our
presentation,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
get
into
the
bill.
There
are
three
amendments
to
the
bill.
Dr
wendy
green
proposed
a
bill,
an
amendment
to
section
one
sub.
It's
section
one.
C
It
is
lines
27
through
32.,
which
is
the
sub
9,
and
I
want
to
have
and
and
that
also
would
apply
to
section
2
lines
37
through
41.,
dr
wendy
green.
I
just
wanna.
I'm
gonna
put
you
on
because
we're
just
for,
though,
just
to
explain
that
piece
of
the
amendment,
because
I
think
you
do
it
so
well
because
you've
been
you
are
the
legal
scholar
on
why
that
language
needed
to
be
adjusted
from
my
original
language.
L
Sure
so,
just
to
be
clear,
because
I
have
both
up
that's
the
one
about
the
definition
of
grace,
correct
the
race
and
protective
hairstyle,
okay
sure
so,
with
respect
to
the
first
amendment
it
would
be.
Race
includes,
ancestry,
ethnic
group,
identification,
ethnic
background
and
traits
associated
with
race
and
so
including,
but
not
limited
to
skin,
color,
hair,
texture
and
protective
hairstyles.
L
So
what
that
means
is
is
that
skin
color
would
come
later
and
also
that
historically,
would
be
taken
out-
and
I
say
this
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
simplicity
and
time,
essentially
by
taking
out
historically
it
just
equalizes
the
the
burden
for
all
plaintiffs
in
discrimination
cases
and
doesn't
put
a
higher
burden
on
race
discrimination
plaintiffs,
because
whenever
you're
talking
about
characteristics
that
are
associated
with
the
protected
classification,
you
don't
have
to
demonstrate
that
the
characteristic
that's
being
regulated
is
historically
associated
with
the
protected
classification
and,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
impose
a
higher
burden
on
plaintiffs
and
race
discrimination.
L
Plaintiffs.
We're
trying
to
remove
that.
If
you,
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
understood
my
testimony,
we're
trying
to
remove
the
higher
burden
that
historically
association
historical
historically
associated
may
unintentionally
bring
about,
and
so
for
example,
if
there's
ever
a
challenge
about,
say,
lox
being
historically
associated
with
african
descendants,
then
that
plaintiff
may
have
to
would
have
to
demonstrate
that
historical
association
and
oftentimes.
L
What
that
means
is
that
they're
going
to
have
to
bring
in
an
expert
like
me
to
be
able
to
establish
that
historical
association
or
link
linkage
between
loch
and
african
ancestry
and
no
other
plaintiffs.
Have
that
kind
of
burden
honestly
to
have
to
bring
in
experts,
and
I
also
think,
even
more
specifically
about
pro
state
plaintiffs.
Those
who
don't
have
lawyers
and
may
also
not
have
the
resources
to
do
that.
This
would
just
unintentionally
may
impose
a
higher
burden
on
race
discrimination,
plaintiffs,
and
I
just
use
that
as
an
example.
L
It
could
be
other
characteristics
that
are
associated
with
race
and
so
for.
Anyone
who
may
be
bringing
a
case
with
respect
to
discrimination
on
the
basis
of
mutable
or
changeable
changeable
characteristics
associated
with
race.
We
wouldn't
want
to
unintentionally
impose
that
higher
burden
by
including
that
historical
qualifier.
C
Thank
you
for
that,
dr
green,
which
that
that
then
moves
me
to
section
three,
which
section
three
is
really
simple.
C
It
just
gives
the
jurisdiction
of
the
complaint
to
nerc
the
amendment
that
is
happening
in
section
six,
the
language
of
striking
out
the
language,
that's
in
lines
23
through
26,
where
I
was
saying
that
nerc
has
to
complete
the
investigation
within
13
months
and-
and
I
and
I
really
do
respect
miss
director
jenkins
nerc
actually
has
a
six-month
window
that
they're
supposed
to
do
it
and
the
reason
why
I
had
the
13
months
in
there
because
it
normally
takes
a
really
long
time,
and
I
thought
I
was
doing
them
a
favor
by
trying
to
get
it
with
in
less
than
24
months,
but
they
actually
statutorily
have
a
six
month
provision
under
nrs233157
and
so
striking
that
out
and
then
in
section
eight
I
accepted
an
amendment
well,
actually,
in
section
seven,
I
accepted
an
amendment
well
and
I
think
it
kind
of
covers
section
number
section,
seven.
C
So
in
section
seven
I
worked
with
nako
washoe
clark,
county
and
miss
walker,
joe
walker,
from
league
of
cities.
So
the
amendment
in
section
seven
is
since
I'm
really
just
dealing
with
vertical
promotion
this
this
particular
language
in
here-
and
I
know
that
this
is
we're
talking
about
hair
discrimination.
C
But
I
really
wanted
to
go
after
what's
happening
in
in
the
in
the
space
around
glass
ceilings,
where
you
are
being
denied
a
promotion,
and
you
don't
really
are
you're,
not
clear
on
how
you
can
overcome
that
hurdle
and
trying
to
give
them
capacity
to
unappeal
information
that
they
have.
C
So
the
insertion
would
be
the
word
vertical
in
front
of
promotion,
because
what
I'm
dealing
with
is
the
individual,
who
is
the
deputy
director
and
then
wants
to
become
the
director,
but
for
some
reason
they
can't
seem
to
make
it
over
the
hurdle
and
they
keep
having
to
apply.
But
they
can't
make
it
over.
C
So
the
the
next
amendment,
in
section
seven,
was
to
remove
any
other
form,
because
the
conversation
that
I
had
was
that
I,
the
language,
was
brought
in,
that
I
was
getting
into
their
skills
assessments,
which
was
not
my
intent
or
their
work
performance,
which
isn't
wasn't
my
intent,
because
I
really
am
trying
to
get
at
their
promotions.
C
We
did
an
amend
for
try
to
exclude
the.
I
would
say:
agencies
who
have
fewer
than
200
employees,
trying
to
give
a
carve
out
to
the
the
rural
counties
who
typically
are
super
small.
C
They
may
have
10
people
15
people
within
the
within
the
grouping
and
so
to
try
to
give
some
remedy
to
them,
because,
typically,
the
third-party
testing
is
baked
into
the
cost.
I
had
been
working
with
an
employment
agency
that
does
the
testing
and
the
average
cost
was
about
10
to
17
000.
But,
typically,
you
know
a
coup.
C
A
county
or
agency
may
be
already
using
a
third
party
or
they're
moving
in
that,
but
it's
the
nominal
amount
for
the
kind
of
tests
that
they
have
and
they
could
bake
it
into
their
budget.
C
And
then
the
last
was
to
amend
section
26,
which
would
make
section
7
effective
on
october
1st
2021,
to
allow
the
local
governments
to
align
their
processes
around
this
promotion
language.
And
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
you
know
the
the
the
bill
does.
It
deals
with
the
protective
hairstyles
and
it,
and
it
also
deals
with
protective
hairstyles
and
discrimination
within
the
school
environment.
C
I
know
far
too
often
women
face
issues
where
they
are
trying
to
be
promoted
and
they
face
a
ceiling
and
they
cannot
overcome
that
ceiling
for
various
reasons,
and
I
was
trying
to
give
an
opportunity-
or
at
least
to
give
them
enough
information
where,
if,
if
they
found
themselves
on
a
list
that
they
would
have
a
way
to
challenge,
if
they,
if
they
kept
finding
themselves
at
the
bottom
of
the
list,
but
yet
they
had
the
education,
they
had
the
training
they
had
the
knowledge
and
for
some
reason
they
just
can't
seem
to
make
it
over
the
hurdle.
C
C
They
have
a
ceiling
because
someone
just
doesn't
like
them
and
they
don't
want
them
to
move
up,
and
so
that
is
the
other
part
of
the
bill
where
you're
just
like
what
does
section
seven
and
eight
do
well,
that's
what
it
does.
That
was
my
intent
and
then
the
rest
of
the
bill
deals
with
what
we
just
heard,
which
is
the
protective
hairstyle
and
hair
discrimination
and
trying
to
establish
that
in
our
law,
and
with
that
we
will
open
up
for
questions.
Madam
chair,
thank.
A
You
very
very
much
committee
questions
from
you.
A
I
don't
know
if
I
see
any
questions.
Dr
green
must
have
done
a
really
good
job.
I'm
was
really
interested
in
hearing
what
you
were
saying
in
the
in
the
history
of
it.
So
thank
you
again
and
I'm
and
naika
did
a
a
great
job
describing
her
school
experience.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
with
us,
as
well
as.
A
But
thank
you
so
much.
It
really
was
very
interesting
information
and
senator
neil.
I
don't
see
any
questions
from
the
committee,
but
so,
if
you'd
like
we'll
just
go
to
support
and
opposition
in
neutral
yeah.
Thank
you.
Okay,
all
right
broadcasting.
If
you'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
go
to
support
we'd
like
to
hear
from
people.
Thank
you.
I
I
B
Good
evening,
chair
and
committee,
jamie
rodriguez,
that's
spelt.
B
B
Of
the
remainder
of
the
bill,
so
I
do
want
to
thank
her
for
our
conversation
that
we
have
a
path
forward
to
help
her
reach
her
intent,
but
make
it
operational
for
us
and
again
that
that
includes
kind
of
a
clearer
definition
of
what
promotion
could
be
and
the
reason
that
we
have
some
concerns
about
that
that
we
could
have
people,
or
we
frequently
have
individuals
who
change
into
you,
know
different
departments,
similar
positions,
but
different
departments
within
the
county
which
may
result
in
higher
pay
or
they
may
go
there,
because
they
have
more
opportunities
to
rise
in
the
ranks,
and
this
would
make
it
so
that
all
of
our
employment
would
really
have
to
go
through
that
third
party,
and
that
would
be
a
cost.
B
That
would
be
we
are
concerned,
would
be
very
substantial
for
us.
Also
appreciate
the
clarification
in
section
7.4
about
the
testing.
Our
concern
was
that
it
could
be
too
vague
in
terms
of
what
oral
argument
could
be
and
some
of
those
provisions
and
lastly,
for
changing
the
implementation
date
for
section
7.
This
will
just
allow
us
time
to
come
up
with
contracts
to
hire.
Those
third
parties
for
the
specific
positions
that
section
seven
excuse
me
would
now
apply
to
so
again.
B
I
G
S-O-N-Y-A-W-A-T-S-O-N,
I'm
honored
to
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
support
of
sb
327
on
behalf
of
the
las
vegas
national
bar
association.
When
I
learned
that
this
bill
was
on
the
table,
I
jumped
at
the
opportunity
to
lend
my
support
because
the
issues
of
black
hair
and
black
hair
care
are
near
and
dear
to
me.
I
stopped
chemically
straightening
my
hair
eight
years
ago
in
2013,
and
I
had
men
to
make
the
change
three
years
earlier,
but
my
mother
strongly
discouraged
me
from
doing
so.
I
will
never
forget
what
she
said
to
me.
G
G
I
thought
she
was
being
overly
dramatic,
but
while
her
word
choice
was
strong
and
out
of
context
which
was
2010
not
1975,
I
understood
the
underlying
sentiment.
What
she
meant
was
sonja
now
is
not
the
time
to
do
anything
that
might
be
perceived
as
radical.
Now
is
the
time
to
fit
in
now's
the
time
to
garner
acceptance.
Now
is
not
the
time
to
do
anything
that
would
give
anyone
any
reason
to
deny
you
opportunities.
G
Many
black
women
and
men
are
extremely
mindful
of
the
way
we
wear
our
hair
because,
as
evidenced
by
the
need
for
this
bill,
our
hair
is
political,
but
I
really
believe
that
it
shouldn't
be.
Rather,
I
feel
that
it
is
my
god-given
right
to
where
my
god,
given
here
the
way
it
grows
from
my
head
in
the
styles
that
allow
it
to
flourish.
It
should
not
take
a
legislative
act
for
me
to
be
allowed
to
just
be
me
yet
here
I
am
today
asking
you
to
support
my
right
to
wear
my
hair.
G
The
way
I
need
to
wear
it,
and
please
note
I
said
the
way
I
need
to
wear
it.
Protective
styles
are
necessary
for
the
health
of
black
hair.
It
seems
to
me
that
people
who
do
not
have
afrotension
here
are
generally
permitted
to
wear
their
hair
and
styles
that
suit
them.
People
with
astro
textured
hair
should
be
able
to
do
the
same
without
fear
or
rejection
or
reprisal,
which
is
why
the
las
vegas
national
bar
association
urges
you
to
support
sb
327.
G
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Next,
caller.
I
E
7,
which
excludes
rural
counties
from
that
section,
while
keeping
rural
counties
in
the
remainder
of
the
bill,
which
we
support.
We
sincerely
appreciate
senator
neil
working
with
us
and
bringing
this
bill
forward.
We
support
the
intent
of
the
bill
and
believe
it
will
help
level
the
playing
field
for
employees
trying
to
do
better
and
trying
to
get
ahead.
K
I
K
K
K
K
I
speak
as
a
black
woman
who
comes
from
an
illustrious
lineage
of
royalty
established
long
before
my
people
were
enslaved
and
brought
to
this
country,
lessons
that
are
not
taught
enough
in
our
schools
and
society
we've
had
to
fight
for
the
right
to
simply
exist
to
live
and
move
in
this
world.
The
way
we
were
created
to
to
enter
spaces
as
our
best
selves,
not
as
subdued
reflections
of
whiteness.
K
I
F
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I'm
jp
kemp
kemp
on
behalf
of
the
new
ada
equal,
I'm
sorry,
the
nevada
justice
association
and
here
in
support
of
sb
327
thanks
so
much
to
senator
neil
for
bringing
this
very
important
bill
to
the
legislature
this
session
as
an
employment
attorney,
I
fully
support
the
clarifying
definition
of
race
for
purposes
of
anti-discrimination
statutes
and
the
addition
of
the
protective
hairstyle
protection
and
definition
that
is
there.
Throughout
the
bill.
F
I
have
had
prospective
clients
come
and
see
me
who
have
been
harassed
or
discriminated
against
because
of
their
hairstyles,
which
are
associated
with
race
and
ethnicity.
In
fact,
I
have
a
client
now
who
has
a
charge
with
the
equal
rights
commission
who
she
had
been
harassed
because
of
her
hairstyle,
made
complaints
to
the
employer
and
was
ultimately
terminated
in
retaliation
for
her.
F
Section
three
of
the
bill
adds
important
requirements:
informing
persons
with
charges
before
the
equal
rights
commission
regarding
procedures
and
processes
of
the
equal
employment
opportunity
commission,
including
their
substantial
weight
review
of
nevada,
equal
rights.
Commission
determinations,
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
for
people
who
have
charges
to
be
made
aware
of
those
provisions
section
six
of
the
bill,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
it's
being
amended,
it
tends
to
be
in
my
experience
that
the
more
meritorious
a
charge
is
the
longer
it
takes
to
complete
the
investigation.
F
I
J
Yes,
hello
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name
is
natasha
gaspar
for
the
record:
napa
sha,
gaspar
g-a-s-p-a-r-d,
I'm
the
founder
of
maine,
moved
media
and
I
create
lifestyle
content
for
women
of
color
with
natural
hair,
I.e,
kinky,
coily,
curly,
textured
hair.
I
started
this
company
back
in
2009,
not
only
to
dispel
the
harmful
messages
black
women
have
been
receiving
for
decades
and
decades
that
are
naturally
textured
hair.
Our
god-given
trusses
were
ugly,
unmanageable,
unprofessional
and
every
other
negative
disparaging
way.
J
The
horrible
legacy
of
racism
has
forced
black
women
for
generations
to
seek
out
many
harmful
measures
to
fit
this
eurocentric,
hair
standard
straight
hair
standard
in
order
to
assimilate,
and
that
has
only
added
to
our
physical,
emotional
and
psychological
trauma.
I
am
in
full
support
of
sb
327
and
proud
that
the
state
of
nevada
is
striving
to
right.
J
I
K
K
social
scientists
have
long
chronicled
the
impact
of
an
individual's
appearance
on
numerous
outcomes,
including
others,
judgment
of
individuals,
competence
and
ability,
intelligence
and
trustworthiness.
These
judgments
affect
hiring
decisions,
promotions,
performance
appraisals
and
other
critical
outcomes.
Hair
like
skin
color
is
a
social
marker.
We
are
not
talking
about
risque,
clothing
or
dress
or
adding
unusual
adornments
to
the
body
or
dress
hair.
We're
talking
about
a
god-given
trait
that
is
birth
inherited
and
generationally.
Endowed
african-americans
have
been
expected
to
fit
into
a
mode
created
by
a
group
of
people
outside
of
this
cultural
spectrum.
K
Why
do
we
no
longer
celebrate
the
diversity
of
this
nation?
Why
have
we
become
a
nation
who
says
you
can't
wear
your
hair?
That
way,
because
I
choose
not
to
can
I
not
wear
my
identity
to
honor,
who
I
am
and
whose
I
am,
how
does
this
hairstyle
impact
my
skill
set?
How
does
this
hairstyle
impact
professional
protocols?
K
It
is
documented
that
a
strong
and
very
positive
racial
identity
can
play
a
positive
role
in
the
emotional,
mental
and
psychological
well-being
of
african
americans.
Stronger
racial
identity
consistently
predicts
better
psychological
functioning
and
is
documented
to
serve
as
a
protective
factor
for
african
americans,
enabling
them
to
maintain
positive
achievement
and
psychological
health
by
diminishing
the
effects
of
discrimination
hair
in
this
diverse
society.
K
I
G
I
am
the
ceo
of
emerge,
natural
beauty,
industry
alliance.
I
have
been
in
the
industry
of
natural
hair
for
over
40
years
and
considered
a
thought
leader
in
the
industry,
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
all
the
things
that
everyone
else
has
said.
We
want
to
normalize,
naturally
textured
afro,
hair
and
protective
styling.
It
is
our
culture.
G
I
B
Good
evening
and
thank
you
chair
for
the
record,
this
is
liz
davenport
l-I-z-b-a-v-e-n-p-o-r-t
on
behalf
of
the
aclu
of
nevada,
in
support
of
sb
327.
Thank
you,
senator
neil
and
senator
harris
for
bringing
this
bill.
The
aclu
supports
reforms
that
create
a
more
equitable
and
diverse
workforce.
As
senator
harris
noted,
natural
hairstyles
should
be
normalized
and
protected
from
discrimination.
B
I'll
merely
echo
the
testimony
of
all
of
those
before
me
discussing
how
natural
hairstyles
are
discriminated
against
and
the
harm
that
causes.
I
do
want
to
note
that
in
2019,
the
9th
circuit
in
davis
v
guam
discussed
how
the
current
legal
understanding
of
racial
categories
is.
Shifting
the
9th
circuit
endorsed
that
race
can
be
understood
as
cultural
characteristics,
instead
of
only
immutable
physical
characteristics.
B
Many
states
and
cities
have
passed
similar
legislation
in
protecting
natural
hairstyles,
including
maryland,
washington,
colorado,
virginia
new
jersey,
new
york,
california
and
cities
in
ohio,
alabama
and
missouri.
We
should
join
these
states
further.
This
bill
aims
to
address
the
historic
discrimination
that
occurs
from
testing
and
bias
in
promotions
in
the
workplace.
We
know
that
workplace
promotions
have
historically
been
racially
and
gender
biased
and
support
the
movement
away
from
under-representation
in
the
workplace.
The
aclu
supports
protections
against
discriminatory
practices
and
supports
sb
327.
Thank
you
and
that
concludes
my
testimony.
I
I
E
E
E
Regretfully,
I
missed
this
bill
on
my
radar
and
just
made
aware
of
it
and
the
concerns
for
some
of
it
by
our
membership.
So
I've
not
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
senator
neil,
regretfully,
regarding
our
concerns
with
third-party
testing
and
the
procedures
associated
with
that
in
sections,
seven
and
eight,
but
I've
had
a
great
working
relationship
with
senator
neil
since
about
2013
and
I'm
confident
we'll
arrive
at
a
place
where
we
are
not
in
opposition.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
The
we'll
hear
neutral.
I
K
A-L-E-X-I-S-M-O-T-A-R-E-X
with
the
nevada
chapter
associated
general
contractors
representing
the
commercial
construction
industry
in
northern
nevada,
we
are
neutral
on
sb
327,
but
would
like
to
see
clarification
included
to
ensure
that
nothing
in
this
proposal
would
preempt
osha
regulations
or
rules
to
comply
with
all
necessary
safety
protocols,
procedures
and
ppe
requirements,
for
example,
if
a
hard
hat
is
required,
but
would
not
fit
properly
because
of
a
particular
hairstyle.
This
proposal
should
not
exempt
an
employee
from
that
safety
requirement.
K
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
broadcasting
as
we
go
through
neutral.
Do
we
have
someone
on
the
line
with
the
last
three
numbers
of
four
seven
three.
I
Chair
currently,
I
do
not
see
anyone
in
the
queue
with
those.
Last
three
digits.
Oh
someone,
I'm
sorry
chair,
someone
is
just
in
the
waiting
room.
Let
me
admit
them.
I
I
B
Hello
sure,
currently
I
do
not
see
anyone
in
the
queue
those
last
three
digits.
K
K
This
is
bernard
rhodes.
Ford
b
is
in
boy
e-r-n-a,
r-h-o-d-e-s
f-o-r-d.
I
was
in
the
queue
to
testify
in
support
and
I
would
like
to
testify
in
support.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
convening
this
meeting
and
thank
you
senator
neil
for
sponsoring
sb
327..
K
I
am
the
co-chair
of
the
legislative
committee
of
jackson,
jill
of
america,
the
las
vegas
chapter.
We
are
a
membership
organization
of
mothers
with
children
from
ages,
2
to
19
dedicated
to
nurturing
future
african-american
leaders
by
strengthening
our
children
through
development,
leadership,
development,
volunteer
service,
philanthropic,
giving
and
civic
duty.
We
can't
nurture
our
children
if
they
can't
be
their
natural
selves.
K
I'm
also
testifying
on
behalf
of
alpha
kappa,
alpha
sorority
theta
theta,
omega
chapter,
where
I
serve
as
president.
We
are
the
oldest
greek
letter
organization
established
by
african
american
college,
educated
women.
Our
mission
is
service
to
all
mankind
and
we
focus
on
education,
women's
health
and
wellness
building,
strong
families
and
other
community
concerns.
K
A
B
M
I
I
K
Good
evening,
madam
chair,
this
is
joanna
jacob
j,
o
j-o-a-n-n-a-j-a-c-o-b
government
affairs
manager
for
clark
county,
I'm
neutral
on
sb
327.
K
K
Senator
neil
has
worked
out
our
larger
concerns
with
section
7
and
want
to
say
thank
you
to
her
for
doing
that
and
literally
racing
to
get
amendments
done,
as
we
were
heading
to
this
hearing
and
so
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
and
thank
her
for
the
support
we.
We
know
that
this
may
have
some
impact
to
clark
county,
but
we
are
going
to
make
it
work
because
in
consideration
of
the
important
policy
changes
that
this
bill
is
making.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
All
right
we'll
wait
just
a
minute.
I
I
received
a
message
that
someone
was
waiting.
I
There
is
currently
no
one
in
the
waiting
room,
but
I
will
announce
for
the
q
one
more
time
here.
If
you
would
like.
A
I
I
I
K
Nadra
cooper
n-e-d-r-a-c-o-o-p-e-r,
my
pronouns
are
her
she
and
hers.
I
am
a
member
of
the
las
vegas
alumni
chapter
delta,
sigma
theta
sorority
incorporated.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
social
action
committee
and
also
the
state
coordinator
for
the
social
action
committee
and
my
life
member
of
delta,
and
also
a
life
member
of
the
naacp.
K
I
want
to
thank
senator
neil
and
senator
harris
for
bringing
this
very
important
discrimination
in
the
forefront
so
that
we
can
all
take
challenge,
I'm
going
to
diddle
what
everyone
said
and
I'm
not
going
to
take
your
time.
I
know
that
this
has
been
a
long
day,
but
I
want
to
add
a
couple
of
things.
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
the
model
of
our
state
is
battle
born
and
what
that
means
is
that
we
take
steps
forward
and
not
backwards,
that
we
deal
with
discrimination.
K
K
I
don't
want
to
be
confronted,
because
someone
thinks
that
my
hair
is
not
professional.
Just
as
anyone
else
my
braids
can
go
into
a
bun,
it
can
go
into
a
ponytail,
it
can
go
half
up,
it
can
go
half
down.
So
before
you.
I
stand
and
say
that
that
it
is
very
important
to
our
social,
our
economical,
our
mental
and
physical.
Being
that
you
take
a
good
look
at
this
bill,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
broadcasting
I
believe,
we've
completed
all
our
callers.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
senator
neal,
any
closing
comments.
C
L
L
Actually
being
very
serious,
but
in
any
event,
I
just
wanted
to
address
one
of
the
concerns
about
safety
and
health
regulations.
It
would
not
undermine
those
safety
and
health
regulations
that
are
this
particular
bill,
327
and
especially
as
it
relates
to
race-based
natural
hair
discrimination.
L
Similarly,
what
this
this
bill
will
do
is
to
ensure
that
employers
will
engage
in
that
interactive
process
to
determine
you
know,
ways
to
accommodate
that
employee
who
may
we
may,
for
example,
wear
longer
hair
and
might
infringe
upon
some
of
their
abilities
to
do
the
job
effectively
without
any
kind
of
safety
concerns.
L
Additionally,
as
long
as
the
employer
adheres
to
the
law,
which
is
not
to
enact
these
types
of
neutral
grooming
policies
on
the
basis
of
discriminatory
reasons,
stereotypes
biases
things
of
that
nature,
then
you
know
the
employer
absolutely
can
impose.
You
know
neutral
grooming
policies
that
are
related
to
bona
fide
safety
and
health
regulations.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
dr
green.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Please
stay
safe
in
the
tornadoes
and
with
that
we
will
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
327
and
we'll
hope
that
we
have
senator
harris
in
the
queue
to
begin
testifying
on
senate
bill
200..
E
D
A
Well,
senator
hammond,
I
can't
tell
you
how
to
vote.
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
all
the
committee
members
and
tell
them
that
we
had
not
done
some
friday
meetings
and
that
we
would
have
a
couple
very
long
meetings
this
week.
I
apologize
for
the
length,
but
I
think
that
our
constituents
and
our
public
deserve
the
chance
to
weigh
in
we
probably
will
roll
the
work
session
to
another
meeting.
If
you
need
to
leave,
I
can't
stop
you
from
doing
that,
but
it's
it's
your
call,
sir.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you,
sir
and
I'll
make
sure
that
I
send
an
email
to
everybody
and
reiterate
that
we
were
going
to
have
some
long
meetings
the
next
couple
weeks
so
and
and
so
make
sure.
Everybody's
schedules
are
free.
All
right
with
that
senator
harris
are
you
there.
M
I
am
chair.
Thank
you.
Please
go
ahead,
sir.
Madam
all,
right
good
evening.
Senator
hansen,
don't
worry.
You're
gonna
love
this
bill.
I
promise
thank
you,
chair
don
darrell
loop,
vice
chair,
orrin
shaw.
My
name
is
sandra
dallas
harris.
I
represent
district
11,
which
is
in
the
southwest
part
of
clark
county.
It's
my
pleasure
to
present
senate
bill
200
to
you
today.
M
I'm
going
to
try
and
make
this
as
quick
as
possible.
This
bill
establishes
what
has
been
called
the
auto
ira
or
by
some
organizations
the
work
and
save
program.
Here's
what
the
auto
ira
does.
It
offers
an
opportunity
to
those
employees
whose
employers
have
chosen
not
to
offer
the
benefit
of
automatic
savings,
whether
that
be
because
of
the
cost
or,
for
any
other
reason,
an
opportunity
to
have
a
way
to
save
through
their
paycheck.
M
Let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
why
that's
important
anyone
can
go
out
and
and
get
an
ira
today,
that's
true,
but
to
expect
folks
to
know
the
difference
between
vanguard
and
mass,
mutual
and
fidelity
and
an
etf
versus
a
a
mutual
fund
is
really
a
very,
very
high
burden,
and
we
know
that
most
people
save
through
their
employer.
That
is
the
easiest
way
to
get
it
done
before
it
hits
their
pockets.
M
That
is
the
best
way
to
try
and
take
that
sting
out
of
the
saving
on
the
front
end,
and
the
truth
is
many
people
up
to
about
50
percent
of
nevadans
simply
don't
have
that
option
the
option
to
save
through
their
employer
take
a
second.
If
you
will
everybody
and
think
just
a
little
bit
about
how
nevadans
would
have
been
affected
if
we
had
this
bill
in
place
prior
to
a
catastrophe
like
the
pandemic,
and
they
had
some
savings
that
they
could
tap
into
how
much
less.
M
M
Let
me
tell
you
guys
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
benefits
that
come
with
saving
in
an
ira.
M
If
you're
able
to
put
some
money
away,
you
can
deduct
that
from
your
taxes.
Now,
that's
if
you
do
a
traditional
ira
and
not
the
roth,
but
if
you
deduct
that
from
your
income,
you
pay
less
taxes.
Not
only
do
you
pay
less
taxes,
it
also
calculates
into
your
student
loan
payments,
and
so
how
absurd
is
it
that
someone
like
me,
who
may
make
a
little
bit
more
money
than
the
average
nevadan,
has
the
opportunity
to
pay
less
taxes
and
to
have
on
a
monthly
basis,
a
smaller
student
loan
payment?
M
M
We
had
the
treasurer
from
oregon
treasurer
tobias
reed,
but
he
had
to
go
at
about
almost
two
hours
ago
now
and
we
have
miss
echols
who's.
The
director
of
the
secure
choice,
savings
program
for
the
state
of
illinois.
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
ekman.
If
that's
okay
with
you
chair,
luke,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
national
efforts
and
then
over
to
miss
echols
to
to
speak
a
bit
about
how
illinois
is
tackling
this
issue.
A
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
and
and
just
as
a
point
of
information
senator
harris
before
we
move
on,
I
will
roll
the
work
session
to
another
day.
I
would
encourage
our
members
to
stay
for
the
meeting,
but
I
will
roll
the
work
session
so
if
anybody's
waiting
for
that,
I
apologize
for
the
length
of
the
meeting
today,
but
I
think
the
subjects
are
important.
So
go
ahead.
Please
senator
harrison.
Sorry
for
the
interruption.
M
Oh
no
and
I
just
before
we
kick
it
over
to
ms
seckman.
I
also
want
to
appreciate
give
my
thanks
to
the
committee
for
hanging
in
there
and
squeezing
us
in
at
the
end
of
the
day,
to
hear
what
I
think
is
a
very
important
bill.
Miss
ekman.
B
B
B
B
Personal
retirement
savings
is
a
prerequisite
to
self-reliance
and
retirement,
and
we
know
that
employees
are
15
times
more
likely
to
save
merely
by
having
access
to
a
workplace
retirement
plan.
Yet
about
57
of
nevada's
private
sector
employees,
which
is
approximately
550
557
000
individuals
work
for
an
employer
that
does
not
offer
a
retirement
plan
this
program.
This
problem
is
not
going
to
solve
itself
and
the
problem
is
lack
of
access.
B
B
This
legislation
provides
for
a
public
private
approach
to
retirement
savings.
Businesses
would
have
access
to
a
simple
plug-and-play
retirement
program
for
their
employees
and
would
only
be
responsible
for
giving
information
packets
to
their
employees
and
remitting
payroll
deductions.
Employees
would
be
automatically
enrolled
in
the
program
with
the
option
to
opt
out
of
participation
at
any
time.
B
B
The
program
is
designed
to
be
self-sustaining
over
time
and
will
be
participant
funded.
The
state
simply
plays
the
role
of
aggregating
small
businesses,
while
the
private
sector
runs
investments
by
affording
workers
access
to
a
simple
way
to
save
retirement,
fewer
households
will
need
to
rely
on
social
services,
ultimately
saving
taxpayer
dollars.
B
In
addition,
these
programs
will
grow
a
new
generation
of
investors
who
can
build
their
assets
and
invest
in
more
complex
financial
service
products
down
the
road.
Today,
12
states
have
enacted
similar
programs
with
many
more
states
engaging
on
the
issue.
The
momentum
is
not
slowing
down
either.
In
fact,
we've
seen
great
progress
even
during
the
pandemic,
including
new
legislation.
Enactment
and
increased
support
for
programs
oregon
saves
was
the
first
in
the
nation
program
of
its
type
to
launch
in
2017,
followed
closely
by
illinois
and
california.
B
B
We
recognize
the
enormously
positive
impacts.
This
legislation
and
program
could
have
on
the
state
of
nevada
and
its
taxpayers.
Aarp
is
fully
supported
with
the
passage
and
implementation
of
this
bill
and
we
urge
you
to
support
sb200.
Thank
you
again
for
having
me
today
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
M
Echols,
who
is
from
the
california
program
the
director
of
the
secure
choice,
savings
program?
I'm
sorry
in
the
state
of
illinois,
not
california.
I
apologize
miss
eckles.
O
Thank
you
so
much
senator
and
appreciate
the
time
of
the
committee
today.
I
will
be
incredibly
brief.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
day
for
all
of
you,
so
my
name
is
courtney
echols,
I'm
the
director
of
illinois
secure
choice,
which
is
one
of
the
state-administered
auto
ira
programs
that
has
been
launched
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
O
So,
as
senator
harris
said,
as
jessica
commented
already,
these
programs
are
really
about
creating
access
for
workers
to
be
able
to
save
their
own
money,
and
we
really
have
a
two-fold
goal
here
in
illinois,
but
I
think
I
can
also
speak
on
behalf
of
oregon
and
california
and
all
of
the
other
states
for
moving
forward.
The
focus
is
truly
to
make
this
as
easy
as
possible
for
workers
to
save,
but
also
incredibly
simple,
for
employers
to
facilitate.
O
At
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we
really
see
is
well.
There
are
certainly
private
sector
options
that
we
love
and
support
when
it
comes
to
401ks
and
other
employers
sponsored
plans.
There
are
just
going
to
be
businesses
that,
for
whatever
reason,
aren't
able
to
offer
their
own
plan,
perhaps
it's
too
much
administration.
The
cost
is
too
high
or
you
happen
to
have
really
tight
margins
or
a
lot
of
turnover.
And
for
those
reasons,
the
state
auto
ira
programs
offer
an
alternative.
O
It
allows
workers
to
have
this
benefit
and
let
their
workers
save
for
retirement
without
having
the
same
level
of
control
and
oversight
that
they
have
to
have
with
a
401
k,
401k
or
other
employer
sponsored
plan.
So
I
did
just
want
to
comment
a
little
bit
on
on
how
these
programs
work
and
what
they
actually
look
like,
just
as
one
of
the
states
that
is
up
and
running
so
really.
For
us,
these
programs
are
truly
public
private
partnerships.
O
When
you
look
at
how
these
programs
work,
it's
really
about
three
different
things.
I'd
say
for
the
role
of
the
employer.
Like
I
said,
the
goal
for
us
is
to
make
this
incredibly
simple.
We
as
the
program
take
on
all
of
the
work
and
really
for
employers.
They
register
for
the
program.
They
add
their
employees.
O
For
us
that
happens
online
through
a
secure
employer
portal,
they
add
a
list
of
employees
and
then
they
remit
contributions
on
behalf
of
their
employees,
and
I
think
the
easiest
way
to
think
about
that
is
in
the
same
way
an
employer.
You
know,
sends
money
to
an
individual's
paycheck.
They
also
need
to
remit,
state
taxes,
payroll
taxes,
federal
taxes.
This
is
really
just
one
additional
line
item
on
that
payroll
processing
that
they
do
whenever
it
is
that
they
run
payroll.
O
So
if
they
move
from
job
to
job
they're,
not
opening
a
number
of
different
accounts
along
the
way
when
you
think
about
it
from
the
employer
aspect
or
excuse
me,
the
saver
aspect,
I
think
the
key
considerations
here
are
that
this
is
an
automatic
enrollment
with
an
opt-out.
So
it's
completely
voluntary
for
workers,
but
we
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
so
that
if
you're
someone
who
knows,
I
want
to
be
saving.
But
I
don't
know
much
beyond
that.
The
program
really
takes
care
of
it
for
you.
We
have
defaults
in
place.
O
These
are
pretty
common
amongst
the
states,
but
of
course,
there's
you
know
variation
here
and
there
our
savers,
put
away
five
percent
into
a
target
date
fund,
that's
appropriate
for
their
age
and
expected
date
of
retirement.
Obviously,
the
nice
piece
about
that
is,
they
can
start
saving,
they
don't
have
to
think
about
it
and
their
retirement
account
is
working
for
them
as
they
go
through
their
work
life.
O
Individual
savers
can
change
those
amounts.
They
can
increase,
what
they
contribute.
They
can
lower
that
and
they,
of
course,
can
choose
from
a
limited
number
of
other
fund
options.
But
again
what
we've
really
sought
out
is
simplicity
for
the
employer
and
simplicity
for
the
saver.
We
launched
our
program
a
few
years
ago
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago
in
2018,
and
since
that
time
we
have
amassed
over
85
000
workers
in
our
state
and
a
little
over
55
million
dollars,
and
I
think
you've
heard
this
earlier.
But
again,
these
are
in
many
cases.
O
I
know
senator
harris
mentioned
thinking
about
covid
and
really
what
I
think
the
pandemic
has
forced
all
of
us
to
really
reckon
with,
which
is
the
fact
that
so
few
people
have
access
to
any
type
of
savings
vehicle,
and
I
would
certainly
echo
that
we
saw
that
in
illinois
as
well.
We
have
over
6
000
registered
employers
across
our
state,
nearly
half
of
those
work
in
retail
and
food
and
service
industries,
so
those
hardest
hit
by
the
pandemic,
and
even
still
through.
O
All
of
that,
we
saw
the
growth
in
our
employers
and
savers
every
single
month
of
2020.
And
what
that
says
to
me
is
that,
even
during
these
times,
employers
want
to
give
their
workers
that
access
and
workers
want
the
ability
to
have
something
to
save
a
few
final
numbers.
Just
just
for
your
consideration,
because
I
think
the
populations
we
talk
about
are
pretty
consistent.
O
Despite
what
state
we're
from
the
average
monthly
savings
for
most
of
our
workers
is
about
100,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
that
as
five
percent
of
their
income
again
we're
talking
about
certainly
lower
to
middle
income
workers
which
to
me,
is
a
sign
of
folks
wanting
to
save
even
it's
just
a
little
bit
at
a
time,
and
then
the
last
thing
I
would
add,
is
just
as
we
think
about
these
programs
expanding
across
the
state.
O
There's
certainly
commitment
amongst
all
of
us
to
really
find
solutions
that
will
increase
access
to
savings
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we've
certainly
seen,
employers
and
workers
in
illinois
say
is
from
the
employer
perspective.
This
wasn't
as
hard
as
they
thought
it
was
a
whole
heck
of
a
lot
easier.
They
don't
really
have
to
think
about
it
once
they're
in
and
for
our
workers.
O
What
we
hear
really
frequently
is
they
never
actually
thought
they
would
have
a
job
where
they
had
access
to
this
type
of
benefit
and
the
relief
and
the
security
people
start
to
feel
with
having
a
savings
account
and
something
that
they
know
they
can
put
away
for
their
future
has
really
changed
people's
mindset.
So
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
incredibly
excited
to
see
that
this
is
an
initiative
moving
forward
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
today.
M
A
M
Chair,
if
I
could
just
make
two
more
comments
before
we
go
to
questions,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
note
two
things.
One,
the
cost
to
employers
for
this
program
is
zero.
Zero.
You
heard
me
right.
There's
nothing
we're
asking
of
the
business
community
except
to
facilitate
their
employees,
opting
out
of
the
or
opting
out
of
the
program
on
the
point
of
it
being
an
opt-out.
M
I
am
very
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
there
are
some
folks
who
who
need
literally
every
dime
that
they
make,
and
that
is
why
this
program
will
be
designed
to
have
a
very
long
off-ramp
for
anyone
who
takes
a
look
at
the
impact
of
that
paycheck
and
says
I
simply
can't
do
this.
M
There
will
be
a
mechanism
for
folks
to
get
their
money
back
penalty
free
penalty
free,
every
dime
if,
after
60
days,
I'm
willing
to
even
entertain
going
as
high
as
120
days,
and
they
see
the
paychecks
and
decide
they
simply
can't
handle
the
savings,
and
so
this
by
no
means
would
lead
to
folks
not
having
a
choice
in
participating
in
the
program
with
that
chair
I'll,
subject
myself
and
miss
echols
and
miss
ekman.
If
they'll
hang
around
to
some
questions,
thank
you.
A
Very
much
questions
committee.
C
Thank
you.
So
I
had
a
question
on
section
20..
This
is
I
I
I
wrote
it
down
as
powers
that
the
board
would
have.
C
So
if
you
look
at
line
13
a
and
b,
I
guess
I'm
wondering,
like
the
expense,
because
this
says
provide
for
the
administration
of
all
or
part
of
a
program
by
another
state,
so
you're
taking
on
another
state
and
then
the
same
thing
where
it
says
administer
all
are
part
of
the
qualified,
employee
savings
trust
program
of
another
state
and,
and
it
says
that
again
in
sub
c,
and
so
when
I
saw
one
or
more
states,
all
I
kept
thinking
about
was
how
expensive
that
would
be
in
terms
of
the
administration
and
when
I
looked
at
the
composition
of
the
board.
C
M
Senator
neal
to
you
through
the
chair,
I
read
this
language
in
the
opposite
direction.
This
is
not
intended
for
nevada
to
bring
on
other
states.
It's
actually
intended
to
allow
nevada
to
join
other
states
that
are
already
established.
For
that
exact
reason.
It's
better
to
be
able
to
spread
the
administrative
costs
amongst
a
large
number
of
participants,
and
so
it
was
important
to
me
that
there
was
the
ability
if
we
find
it
to
be
beneficial
for
us
to
to
possibly
tack
on
to
illinois's
program.
M
I
know
our
state
treasurer
has
had
discussions
with
the
treasurer
in
colorado
and
the
treasurer
in
oregon,
and
it
may
be
beneficial
for
us
to
tack
on
to
one
of
their
programs,
and
so
this
is
not
intended
to
suggest
nevada
will
be
taking
on
another
state,
but
more
to
suggest
that
nevada
may
decide
it's
better
to
spread
administrative
costs
by
joining
another
state.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
thank
you,
so
we
will
go
to
support
and
opposition
and
neutral
senator.
M
Yes,
we
are
we're
ready
for
that
unless
there's
further
questions,
but
please
all
members
feel
free
to
come
speak
with
me
about
this
at
later
times.
If
other
questions
do
come
up.
I
E
When
this
hearing
began,
I
was
still
the
director
of
government
relations
for
aarp
nevada,
and
I
think
I
still
am
you've
heard
today
that
57
of
nevada's
private
sector
employees
don't
have
a
way
to
save
the
retirement,
and
while
that
is
true,
that's
not
the
whole
story.
We've
done
a
lot
of
research
about
nevada,
specific
numbers
and
actually
small
businesses,
businesses
with
less
than
a
hundred
employees.
It's
eighty
percent.
E
Eighty
percent
of
small
business
employees
have
no
way
to
save
for
retirement
and
the
fact
is
people
just
don't
save
on
their
own
for
retirement
less
than
10
percent
of
people
on
their
own,
not
through
their
jobs,
safe
for
retirement
and
when
they're
getting
ready
to
retire.
The
average
person
has
about
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
or
left
saved
for
retirement,
and
that
just
doesn't
work
if
they
can
save
through
payroll
deductions
that
increases
by
up
to
15
times
as
much
so.
People
really
need
to
save
for
retirement.
E
Aarp
did
extensive
research,
we
did
a
small
business
survey
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
found
out.
We
found
out
that
lower
income
people
have
less
access
to
payroll
savings
plans
and
also
the
plan
differs
by
race
and
by
ethnicity
for
our
people
caucasian.
That's
51
percent
have
no
way
to
save
through
retirement
or
have
a
way
to
save
for
retirement,
but
64
percent
of
hispanic
workers
and
63
percent
of
african
americans
lacked
access
to
an
employer-provided
retirement
plan.
E
So
it
really
changes
in
terms
of
having
the
ability
to
save
to
retirement
through
payroll
deductions,
really
changes
on
a
lot
of
factors.
I
put
in
the
exhibits,
a
small
business
survey
that
we
did
with
500
small
businesses
and
these
businesses,
76
percent,
said
they
had
no
plan
offered.
They
didn't
offer
any
plan
for
their
employees
to
save
for
retirement,
and
the
reasons
are
are
simple
and
easy
to
understand.
E
It
was
number
one
too
costly
number,
two
too
time
consuming
or
number
three
just
too
complicated,
but
these
same
small
business
owners
said
that
72
percent
agreed
that
the
state
should
do
more
to
encourage
residents
to
save
over
half
of
them
expressed
concern
that
their
employees
would
have
enough
money
to
save
for
retirement
and
here's
the
kicker
right
here.
79
percent,
agree
that
nevada
lawmakers
should
support
a
state
retirement
savings
program
and
72
percent
support
legislation
that
would
establish
a
managed
ready
to
go
nevada
retirement
savings,
opt-in
and
how
about
this
number
eighty
percent.
E
Eighty
percent
of
the
small
business
owners
that
we
surveyed
agreed
that
being
able
to
offer
a
retirement
savings
program
through
payroll
deductions
would
help
these
small
businesses
stay
competitive.
How
about
that?
So
it
also
helps
them
attack
and
we
attract
and
retain
employees
and
stay
competitive.
So
very
simply,
why
do
we
need
to
do
this?
You
know
we
talked
about
people
not
saving,
and
we
need
to
find
ways
for
them
to
save.
E
So
why
does
aarp
really
want
to
do
this,
and
what's
it
all
about?
Considering
that
you
know
you've
heard
me
talk
about,
and
yes,
the
345
thousand
aerp
members
across
the
state
strongly
support
this,
but
many
of
them
are
already
retired,
but
the
idea
is,
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
all
retirees
when
they
retire
have
means
instead
of
needs.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
E
Good
afternoon,
chair
donder
loop,
feister
orange
shawl
members
of
the
committee.
I
did
email
my
comments
earlier.
I
apologize
if
that's
redundant.
I
wasn't
sure
if
I'd
be
able
to
stay
on
and
testify
for
the
record,
my
name
is
ben
innis.
That
is
b-e-n-I-n-e-s-s,
and
I
am
a
graduate
student
at
unr
here
in
support
of
senate
bill
200,
and
I
want
to
thank
senator
harris
for
bringing
this
exciting
and
very
important
bill
forward.
Every
nevadan
should
have
access
to
a
simple
and
secure
retirement
account
that
makes
it
easy
to
save.
E
Speaking
personally,
as
a
student,
I
face
overwhelming
and
frightening
amounts
of
student
debt
as
part
of
a
new
generation
entering
an
uncertain
workforce,
hoping
to
buy
home
or
consider
saving
for
retirement
seem
like
luxuries
that
are
all
but
out
of
reach.
I
believe
these
are
not
luxuries,
however.
Senate
bill
200
can
create
stability
and
avoid
the
looming
retirement
crisis
that
hangs
over
nevadans.
No
retirees
should
live
in
poverty
and
struggle
to
pay
for
essential
needs
like
rents,
utilities
or
medicine.
E
In
the
current
landscape,
too
many
nevadans
go
underserved
without
retirement
protections,
including
women,
people
of
color,
and
an
increasing
number
of
gig
workers
senate
bill
200
will
help
provide
security
for
individuals,
families
and
our
communities
with
all
of
the
financial
pressures
facing
the
vans.
Today,
an
easy
and
safe
way
to
save
money
for
retirement
will
help
put
people
back
in
charge
of
their
financial
future.
Thank
you.
So
much.
I
E
Thank
you,
chair,
dunder,
luke
and
members
of
the
committee.
Again,
my
name
is
benjamin
chandra,
that's
b-e-n-j-a-m-I-n
c-h-a-l-l-I-n-o-r,
and
I
am
the
policy
director
for
faith
in
action,
nevada
and
in
the
interest
of
time
I
will
submit
my
full
written
comments
to
the
committee
online,
but
I
will
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
are
in
support
of
sb200
and
thank
senator
harris
for
bringing
this
bill.
E
Speaking
on
a
personal
level,
my
father
has
reached
retirement
age
and
because
of
none
of
his
jobs,
providing
an
employer-based
retirement
program,
he
is
still
working
currently
a
full-time
job,
while
still
using
his
other,
while
still
still
receiving
social
security,
and
my
mother,
although
she
has
at
least
reached
retirement
age,
will
most
likely
have
to
do
the
same.
E
Currently,
the
communities
of
color
are
disproportionately
affected
by
not
having
an
employer-based
retirement
program,
and
this
will
severely.
This
will
increase
those
opportunities
to
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
have
a
better
retirement
and
actually
a
thought
a
reality
of
retirement.
Well,
thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
I
G
Yes,
good
evening,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
aquila
anchor
talk,
s-e-q-u-I-l-a
a-n-g-k-r-a-t-o,
I
am
a
bachelor's
level,
social
work,
student
from
university
of
nevada
reno.
I
also
speak
to
you
as
a
person
of
color
and
a
new
mother,
I'm
calling
in
support
of
sb
200
public
retirement,
because
I
want
to
see
myself.
G
My
fellow
students
and
other
young
people
in
the
community,
including
my
own
daughter,
have
opportunity
to
accrue
savings,
so
they
that
they
deeply
need
in
the
latter
stages
of
our
lives,
no
matter
what
type
of
job
they
maintain
from
a
social
work
perspective.
I
have
great
concern
that
those
who
are
impacted
most
by
jobs
without
benefits
like
automatic
ira
savings,
I'm
concerned
about
access,
particularly
for
those
of
intersectionally,
low-income
women,
persons
of
color
and
other
historically
disproportionately
impacted
communities.
G
Many
nevadans
do
not
have
the
liberty
to
think
about
and
invest
in
their
futures
when
they
are
struggling
to
make
ends
meet
many,
especially
those
in
low-income
situations
are
not
financially
educated
about
or
have
resources
to
invest
individually
in
our
iras
when
retirement
through
their
jobs
is
not
offered.
I
myself
have
family
members
who
have
not
had
opportunity
to
accrue
significant
retirement
and
I
myself
feel
the
burden
to
find
a
way
to
support
them
in
the
upcoming
years.
This
impacts
not
only
individuals
but
whole
families
and
communities.
G
I
I
K
K
G-I-L-L-I-A-N-B-L-O-C-K
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
coalition
of
legal
service
providers
in
support
of
senate
bill
200.
Today,
the
legal
service
providers
represent
low-income
nevadans,
who
bridge
the
gap
of
unmet
legal
need
in
the
state.
Nevada
has
a
persistently
large
population
of
people
living
at
or
below
the
federal
poverty
level
level
and
employer-sponsored
retirement
plans
can
help
low-wage
employees
save
money
and
build
wealth
which
in
turn
promotes
financial.
I
K
B
Plan
and
opportunities,
so
they
can
retire
at
that
age.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I
E
Good
evening,
chair
and
committee,
my
name
is
shane
s-a-j-m-e
piccianini
p-I-c-c-I-n-I-n-I
and
I
represent
the
food
bank
of
northern
nevada,
and
I
want
to
echo
every
comment
that
was
before
me
and
just
want
to
say
that
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
tool
in
the
box
that
is
required
for
the
clients
that
we
serve.
A
lot
of
them
are
in
jobs
that
don't
have
any
form
of
an
employee.
An
employer-sponsored
savings
account.
So
thank
you
so
very
much
for
bringing
this
bill
forward,
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
I
P
P
P
We
recognize
that
employers,
typically
from
10
to
15
or
more
employees,
tend
to
provide
some
sort
of
retirement
program,
many
with
employer
matching
programs
and
for
the
most
part
that's
because
they
do
have
the
staff
and
financial
resources
to
provide
such
programs,
and
we
recognize
that
it's
possible.
This
bill
is
geared
to
reach
out
to
those
employees
who
may
work
for
smaller
organizations
or
are
lower
income
earners
in
the
case
of
very
small
businesses.
In
our
experience,
oftentimes.
P
We
would
instead
prefer
an
approach
that
involves
that
the
state
works
together
with
the
existing,
diverse
and
statewide
private
sector
retirement
systems
as
a
facilitator,
and
an
educator
to
encourage,
without
requiring
businesses,
to
adopt
retirement
plans
and
employees
to
save
for
their
own
retirement,
and
we
really
do
believe
that
the
legislature
has
a
unique
opportunity
to
help
bridge
these
gaps.
Helping
working
nevadans
while
supporting
private
sector
businesses
by
using
the
resources
that
you
have
to
bring
together
employers,
financial
service
providers
and
employees.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
F
Yourself
you,
madam
chair,
michael
hillerby,
last
name
h-I-l-l-e-r-b-y
on
behalf
of
the
american
council
of
life
insurers.
I
want
to
first
thank
senator
harris
for
meeting
with
me
last
week
and
her
commitment
to
the
financial
security
of
nevadans.
The
primary
mission
of
acli
and
its
280
member
companies
is
helping
people
achieve
financial
and
retirement
security.
You
have
in
the
packet
for
the
committee
a
letter
from
us
and
I'll
be
brief,
because
I
know
the
hour
is
late.
F
The
state-run
plans
have
proven
to
be
more
expensive
and
slower
to
achieve
their
goals
than
projected
senator
neil
asked
a
very
important
question
about
potentially
partnering
with
states
whose
programs
are
millions
of
dollars
over
budget
in
state
general
funds.
I
want
to
thank
barry
golden
aarp
for
submitting
the
poll
as
well.
While
it
was
done
prior
to
the
secure
act,
it
asked
the
right
question
and
that
employers
would
like
to
find
access
to
simple
plans.
Those
simple,
inexpensive
plans
are
now
widely
available.
F
They
provide
better
benefits
and
don't
require
employers
to
deal
with
complicated
erisa
and
tax
laws.
Thanks
to
groups
like
the
las
vegas
chamber,
many
more
options
are
available
that
are
easy
for
both
employees
and
employers
to
navigate.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention
and
the
work
you
do
on
behalf
of
all
nevadans.
I
E
Opt-Out
provision,
if
they
elect
not
to
put
aside
money-
and
we
appreciate
sarah
harris
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
us
and
discuss
this
very
topic-
this
is
well-intuition
intention,
but
puts
government
squarely
in
business
of
running
a
business
competing
for
employees,
their
talents
and
making
efforts
to
retain
them.
This
bill
will
severely
hamper
the
work
of
financial
advisors,
banking
institutions
and
disincentivize
potential
clients
from
seeking
professional
advice
regarding
their
money.
E
This
is
not
a
feature
included
in
most
business
sophomore,
even
with
the
401
401k,
a
system
can't
track
any
contributions
made
through
a
prior
employer
as
a
result
of
this
bill.
All
nevada
businesses,
while
making
efforts
to
recover
from
the
pandemic,
would
be
forced
to
purchase
or
invest
in
sophomore
and
maintain
records,
including
the
opt-out.
Written
acknowledgement
forms
that
a
majority
of
young
employers
may
wish
to
complete.
E
The
reno
sparks
chamber
of
commerce
already
has
an
association
401k
plan
that
is
available
to
over
90
000
employees.
Working
for
its
2000-plus
members,
we
respectfully
urge
that
current
resources
for
saving
money
and
increased
education
regarding
the
value
of
retirement
savings
be
practiced
rather
than
creating
another
agency,
and
even
though
we
know
it's
understand,
it's
contracted
to
oversee
financial
preferences
of
nevada
citizens.
Thank
you.
I
P
Thank
you
broadcast
center.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
This
is
randy
thompson,
r-a-n-d-I
s
o
on
behalf
of
nsib
national
federation
of
independent
business,
the
only
statewide
organization,
primarily
serving
small
business.
We
definitely
appreciate
the
intent
of
this
bill
and
it's
the
second
time
it's
been
around.
I
definitely
appreciate
working
with
mr
gold
for
the
past
five
years
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
can
encourage
especially
low
wage
earners
to
save
for
retirement,
but
not
only
representing
small
business
and
statewide.
P
I
am
personally
a
small
business
owner
and
as
what
mr
vanderpool
just
talked
about,
only
20
of
small
employers
use
a
payroll
service,
so
most
of
us
use
quickbooks,
and
this
would
be
creating
a
a
really
a
challenge
for
small
businesses
to
manage
a
payroll
system
and
add
in
this
element,
but
I
also
have
to
say
that,
as
a
as
a
small
business
owner
myself,
the
you
have
to
understand
that
turnover
in
small
business
is
incredibly
high.
P
A
better
option
for
small
business
is
to
help
their
employees
start
a
self-directed
ira,
and
that
is
frankly
what
we
have
done
for
our
employees,
but
we
also
now
have
after
2019
and
as
mr
hillary
talked
about,
the
change
in
erisa,
the
chamber
of
commerce
in
vegas
and
reno,
and
other
areas
are
offering
these
these
small
businesses
this
kind
of
option
and
as
mr
gold
as
employees
told
his
members
I
have
to,
and
our
results
are
very
staggering-
that
55
percent
of
our
small
business
owners
say
they
cannot
and
will
not
and
do
not
want
small
businesses
to
be
part
of
a
state
run
in
retirement
section
retirement
service.
P
I
have
provided
testimony
for
the
record
and
it
will
be
up,
I
hope,
on
nellis,
but
I
did
send
it
to
all
the
members
of
the
committee.
I
thank
you
chairman
for
the
hearing.
Still
I
thank
senator
harris
for
bringing
it
and
that
we
do
stay
opposed
to
this
bill.
Thank
you.
I
M
Actually
I
do
chair
luke.
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
of
points
that
were
made
in
some
of
the
opposition
testimony
that
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
hear
some
of
the
facts
on,
and
so,
if
you
don't
mind
with,
with
your
permission,
I'd
like
to
invite
miss
echols
to
address
the
piece
about
software
and
cost
to
business
and
if
she
could
as
well,
maybe
a
bit
about
the
cost
to
the
state
and
whether
they're
upside
down
to
administer
the
program.
Ms
eckles.
O
Or
thank
you
senator
happy
to
very
quickly
address
some
of
those
comments
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
concerns
coming
from
different
business
organizations
and
community
groups.
We
work
very
closely
with
a
number
of
the
associations
in
our
state,
including
our
state
chamber,
local
chambers,
retail
merchants
association,
a
number
of
those
groups,
so
just
very
quickly
to
touch
on
some
of
the
comments
related
to
employer
responsibilities.
O
We
certainly
do
not
expect
any
of
our
employers
to
take
on
the
responsibility
of
tracking
employee
participation,
monitoring,
employee
contributions.
All
of
that
is
work
that
is
handled
by
the
program
and,
frankly,
we
work
directly
with
our
financial
services
partner,
so
a
private
sector
firm
that
offers
retirement
programs
already
to
number
of
employers.
So
it
is
the
the
firm
itself
that
actually
is
tracking
contributions
for
workers
they
set
within
their
software,
a
note
where,
if
anyone
were
to
hit
a
maximum
contribution
amount
for
an
ira
that
that's
turned
off,
it's
certainly
not
something.
O
Employers
have
to
track.
In
addition
to
that,
the
way
that
our
program
works-
employers
log
into
their
portal
and
it's
the
system
in
the
portal
again
the
program
that
tracks
who's
opting
in
and
who's
opting
out.
So
on
any
day,
if
you're
running
your
payroll-
and
you
do
that-
say-
twice
monthly.
You
log
in
on
the
13th
to
run
payroll
for
the
15th.
You
see
the
list
of
individual
employees
who
are
in
the
program
and
current
you
put
in
their
contribution
amounts
and
you
hit
submit.
O
Obviously
it's
more
complicated
than
that
different
employers
use
different
payroll
systems,
but
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
it's
noted
that
the
expectation
should
never
be
on
the
employer
to
handle
and
track
those
particular
features.
O
In
addition
to
that,
I
can
say
that,
certainly
with
illinois
program
and
also
with
the
the
servicer
that
manages
oregon
and
california,
we
are
very
aware
of
the
fact
that
employers
use
a
whole
host
of
different
payroll
providers
and
that
quickbooks
and
a
number
of
others
are
certainly
utilized
by
smaller
employers,
and,
I
would
say,
the
work
and
the
coordination
with
payroll
providers,
as
well
as
entities
that
offer
payroll
software.
All
of
that
is
really
something
that's
progressing
and
moving
in
the
space.
O
I
think
you
know
the
important
thing
for
us
is
we
can't
help
people
save
if
we
have
a
program,
that's
too
complicated
for
the
employer,
so
certainly
the
focus
on
limiting
any
of
that
role
is
something
that
that
takes
place
already
in
illinois,
and
I
would
assume
would
be
the
same
for
for
all
of
you.
The
final
piece
I
would
just
comment
on
really
quickly.
O
O
These
programs
very
similar
to
529
programs
will
be
self-sustaining,
they're
very
new
right
now,
they're
in
their
infancy,
so
we
did
receive
some
startup
money
from
our
state
for
illinois.
That's
the
loan
that
we'll
pay
back,
but
ultimately
the
fees
for
the
program
are
fees
on
savers,
not
on
employers,
and
those
ultimately
will
be
the
fees
that
sustain
the
program
over
time.
So
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
at
least
in
terms
of
illinois.
O
We
certainly
aren't
underwater
or
or
at
some
sort
of
unexpected
amount
for
the
the
administrative
costs.
M
Thank
you,
miss
eckles
two
last
points,
and
then
I
promise
I'll.
Let
you
all
go
one.
If
an
employer
already
has
a
plan
in
place,
nothing
changes
with
this
bill
number
two.
Nothing
prevents
employers
from
choosing
another
option
if
they
feel
that
it
is
better
suited
for
them
and
for
their
employees.
A
B
B
We
see
it
as
a
complement
to
state
efforts
in
this
area
and
believe
strongly
that
sb200
is
not
only
an
important
but
a
critical
step
in
helping
workers
save
their
own
money
for
retirement
and,
additionally,
as
previously
mentioned,
our
polling
shows
that
small
businesses
are
eager
to
have
access
to
this
kind
of
program
and
that
tracks
of
what
we've
seen
in
other
states
and
small
business
owners
that
we've
worked
with
closely.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
broadcasting.
Do
you
see
anybody
waiting
on
the
line
with
the
last
three
numbers
of
two
six
four.
A
Okay,
if
you
see
two
six
four
come
in,
would
you
please
let
me
know
they've
been
on
the
call
for
like
four
hours
waiting
for
the
testimony
and
they
couldn't
get
through
for
some
reason.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
while
we're
waiting
for
that,
we'll
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
200,
thank
you
senator
harris
for
all
your
testimony
and
your
experts
and
we
will
go
to
public
comment.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
I
E
Good
evening,
chair,
dondero
lupin,
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
hugh
anderson,
h-u-g-h-a-n-d-e-r-s-o-n,
managing
director
for
high
terror,
las
vegas
and
chair
of
the
vegas
chambers
government
affairs
committee.
I
want
to
thank
the
bill
sponsor
for
the
conversations
that
we've
had
on
this
bill,
and
I
appreciate
the
senator's
passion
on
the
issue
and
we
agree
that
more
nevadans
need
to
save
for
retirement.
However,
the
vegas
chamber
is
opposed
to
senate
bill
200,
because
the
private
sector
already
offers
retirement
savings.
E
Programs
groups,
like
the
vegas
chamber,
are
now
allowed
by
federal
guidelines
to
offer
401k
programs
to
employers
and
employees.
Other
chambers
of
commerce
across
the
state,
as
you've
heard,
are
able
to
offer
similar
services
to
their
members.
The
chamber
believes
in
the
private
sector
is
providing
the
service.
Then
government
should
not
offer
the
same
service.
We're
also
concerned
that
the
program
would
be
built
on
the
premise
of
being
an
opt-out
and
not
an
opt-in
for
employees.
E
E
E
We
do
believe
that
the
best
way
to
increase
nevadan's
participation
in
401ks
and
other
retirement
savings
programs
is
expansion
of
financial
literacy,
education
programs
and
stronger
job
and
career
security.
I
work
with
extraordinary
professionals
who
do
wonders
in
that
space.
We
would
encourage
the
state
to
invest
in
education,
resources
and
programs.
Thank
you,
chair
dunder,
loop
and
members
of
the
committee
for
your
time.
I
E
I
apologize
I
did
try
to
get
into
when
we're
in
the
opposition
section.
For
some
reason
I
wasn't
recognized,
but
I
I'll
make
this
short.
I
am
a
licensed
insurance
broker
here
in
nevada,
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
professional
organization,
the
national
association
of
insurance
and
financial
advisors,
which
I
am
the
state
government
chairs
government
relations
chairman.
E
I
just
want
to
reiterate
everything
that
my
colleagues
have
set
in
a
conversation
with
this
bill
and
also
to
point
out
that
there
this
is
potentially
an
expensive
proposition
and
administration
of
these
private
plans
and
that
this
money
might
be
better
used
to
educate
the
public
in
saving
for
their
retirement,
public
outreach
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
to
use
the
resources
that
are
already
available
in
the
private
sector
through
our
members
and
through
banks
and
through
the
provisions
of
the
secure
act,
thanks
again
for
permitting
us
to
make
the
the
comments.
A
Thank
you
very
much
with
that.
I
believe
that
we
are
done
with
our
meeting.
Thank
you
broadcasting
and
staff
for
hanging
in
there
with
us.
Thank
you
to
all
the
committee
members
and
our
bill
testifiers
and
with
that
I'll
close
the
meeting,
and
we
will
adjourn.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
see
you
next
week.