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A
Thank
you.
We
will
go
ahead
and
call
this
meeting
to
order.
Will
the
secretary
please
call
the
roll.
A
All
right,
we
have
three
members
present,
which
means
we
have
quorum.
We've
got
one
bill
on
our
agenda
this
morning,
so
I'll
welcome
our
colleague,
assemblyman
watts,
to
the
table,
go
ahead
and
begin
when
you
are
ready,
sir,.
C
Thank
you
very
much
chair
harris
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
howard
watts,
representing
assembly
district
15.,
I'm
glad
to
present
assembly
bill
383
for
your
consideration
today,
and
I
appreciate
you
scheduling
it
and
coming
in
at
eight
o'clock
on
day
119
of
the
session
to
hear
it.
C
So
thank
you
very
briefly
giving
on
a
high
level
overview
of
the
bill
and
both
the
legislature
and
governor
siselak
have
set
bold
goals
to
address
climate
change
and
reach
net
zero
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
the
year
2050,
and
one
of
the
key
elements
to
achieving
that
is
energy
efficiency.
C
The
policies
provide
a
range
of
benefits,
saving
energy
as
well
as
water,
particularly
important.
Now,
given
the
drought
situation
that
we're
facing
avoiding
pollution,
that
negatively
affects
both
the
climate
and
public
health
and
it
means
spending
less
on
utility
bills,
saving
families
and
businesses
money.
C
You
know
we've
seen
a
lot
of
these
initiatives,
come
forward
and
work,
and
so
we're
looking
to
build
on
that
with
ab383.
Today.
Very
brief
overview
of
the
bill
itself
in
its
third
reprint
sections.
Two
through
thirty
define
the
various
appliances
and
other
key
terms
that
the
bill
applies
to
section
31
tasks,
the
governor's
office
of
energy,
with
adopting
standards
for
those
outlined
appliances
which
would
then
have
to
be
met
by
anybody
offering
those
items
for
sale
or
lease
by
july,
1,
2023
and
for
installation
in
2024.
C
It
sets
the
minimum
levels
of
those
standards
and
allows
them
to
be
modified
in
the
future,
as
technology
improves,
while
also
providing
a
grace
period
for
the
industry
and
for
retailers
to
prepare
section.
32
would
allow
the
governor's
office
of
energy
to
adopt
standards
for
other
items
moving
forward
as
technology
evolves
and
again
provides
that
grace
period.
C
All
this
rule,
making
I'd
like
to
add,
would
happen
in
a
public
and
transparent
way
through
the
nevada,
administrative
procedures
act
and
one
of
the
latest
amendments
in
consultation
with
certain
stakeholders
clarifies
that
the
cost
to
consumers
would
be
considered
during
that
rulemaking
process
and
that
consumers
could,
if
they
saw
that
there
was
a
significant
burden,
request,
a
one-year
delay
of
the
implementation
of
a
standard
and
then
basically,
the
remainder
of
the
bill,
clarifies
how
compliance
would
work
and
essentially
what
it
is,
is
certification.
C
One
thing
I'd
like
to
other
highlight
as
well
is
that
section
37
provides
the
office
of
energy.
The
authority
to
set
standards
specifically
related
to
flexible
demand,
technologies,
which
I
think
is
is
really
interesting
as
smart
home
innovations
continue
to
move
forward.
You
know
a
little.
Over
a
decade
ago,
smart
thermostats
were
fairly
rare,
now
they're
pretty
prevalent,
and
we
can
see
those
other
technologies
coming
online
for
water
heaters
and
other
things.
C
That's
that's
a
high
level
overview
and
I
just
want
to
thank
many
stakeholders,
local
governments,
business
associations
who
worked
with
us
to
get
this
bill
in
a
good
place
addressed.
Some
of
the
concerns
clarified
some
of
the
provisions
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
members
of
the
committee
may
have.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
thank
you
chair
and
when
we're
looking
at
the
the
standards-
and
I
think
I
think
the
bill
is
pretty
straightforward-
with
the
definitions
and
then
getting
into
the
different
standards,
that
would
be
the
minimum
standard
that
the
office
of
energy
that
would
make
regulations
around
energy
star,
which
I
think
we're
all
familiar
with,
is
is
most
of
it.
But
then
you
have
some
other
things.
Like
california
coda
regulations,
the
canadian
standards
association,
some
other
stuff
is
that
because
energy
star
just
doesn't
cover
those
particular
types
of
products.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Senator
brooks
howard
watts
for
the
record.
That
is
correct,
and
so
one
thing
I
didn't
mention
in
my
testimony
is
that
you
and
you'll
see
that
the
listed
appliances
are
frankly
kind
of
an
odd
assortment.
That's
because
for
most
of
the
ones
that
we
use
in
the
home,
the
federal
government
has
set
standards
for
efficiency
for
those
appliances,
and
once
the
federal
government
sets
those
standards,
no
state
can
preempt
them,
and
so
this
is
really
filling
in
the
gaps
where
the
federal
government
has
not
stepped
in
energy.
C
Star,
of
course,
is
a
is
a
federal
program,
but
not
a
requirement,
and
so
we're
essentially
stepping
in
to
establish
that
as
the
as
the
baseline
for
many
of
these
appliances,
there
are
some
where
california
or
canada
have
actually
led
the
way
in
in
setting
standards,
and
we
don't
have
a
standard
really
at
the
at
the
federal
level
and
so
we're
basically
turning
to
their
research
and
regulations
in
order
to
set
the
standards
for
for
those
items.
D
D
I
think
that
that's
obviously
something
that's
going
to
be
the
wave
of
the
future.
I
have
a
bunch
of
them
sitting
in
my
house
right
now,
just
waiting
to
go
and
waiting
for
me
to
get
back
from
from
carson
city.
I
I
and
then
in
the
same
section,
37
sub
2,
it
looks
like
you
are.
Is
it
sub
2?
D
I
lost
my
place
here.
I'm
sorry,
but
you
address
the
cyber
security
issues
associated
with
flexible
demand
technologies,
but
not
just
that
I
mean
everything
is
in
the
internet
of
things.
Everything
and
your
house
is
starting
to
communicate
with
the
world.
So
I'm
glad
that
you
are
addressing
that
issue,
because
I
don't
want
my
refrigerator
spying
on
me.
C
C
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
I
agree
that
ev
supply
equipment
is
is
definitely
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
and,
as
I
had
mentioned
before,
one
of
the
areas
that
some
other
states
are
are
moving
forward
and
setting
standards
on
are
hot
water
heaters
with
communication
ports
again,
so
you
can
now
adjust
heaters
that
maybe
just
be
heating
water.
You
know
at
different
times
and
you
can
adjust.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
thanks
for
for
the
bill,
appreciate
it.
I'm
smiling,
but
you
can't
tell
okay.
So
just
a
couple
of
things,
one
of
the
things
that
happens
when
we
we
do
things
here.
Everybody
that's
paying
attention
to
here,
really
knows
and
understands
exactly
what
happened.
But
anybody
that's
three
levels
below
doesn't
know.
B
So
is
there
a
plan
for
outreach
and
education?
And
you
know
the
standard
is
let's
go
to
the
communities
and
that's
good
too,
but
the
other
outreach
that
I
know
we
need
to
do
and
that
is
with
with
our
military.
B
I
buy
all
my
my
appliances,
mostly
at
the
px,
and
they
have
the
energy
star
rating,
but
then
they
have
a
lot
of
other
some.
Some
of
the
things
that
are
listed
here
is
there
any
plan
to
reach
out
number
one,
some
places
like
nellis
or
even
look
at
the
area
commander.
That's
one
question.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Senator
spearman
howard
watts,
for
the
record.
I
do
imagine
that
there
would
be
continuing
outreach
and
education
and
engagement
because,
again
after
we
passed
this,
it's
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
regulatory
process
at
the
governor's
office
of
energy.
I
know
that,
even
through
the
process
of
working
on
this
bill,
we've
engaged
with
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders
in
various
industries
and
sectors
throughout
nevada
who
either
sell
or
install
or
use
some
of
these
appliances.
C
B
And
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is
there
a
way
to
just
make
sure
that
that's
pointed
another
another
avenue
of
outreach
that
we
don't
use
a
lot?
This
is
not
criticism.
Okay,
this
another
avenue
that
we
don't
use
a
lot
are
greek
organizations
and
greek
organizations
usually
usually
meet
once
a
month
or
something
like
that,
and
they
do
a
whole
lot
of
things
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
the
members
know
and
the
members
make
sure
that
their
community
or
their
circles
of
influence
know.
B
So
that
would
be
another
another
outlet,
certainly
to
to
think
about.
C
Thank
thank
you
for
that.
Senator
spearman
howard
watch
the
record.
I
appreciate
those
suggestions
and
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
include
those
folks
in
our
outreach
and
one
other
thing
that
I'd
just
say
is
that
a
lot
of
these
standards?
You
know
there.
C
There
is
some
analysis,
and
I
think
you
know
we'll
save
it
for
time,
but
it
is
available
on
nellis
exhibits
that
looks
at
not
only
the
energy
water,
carbon
savings,
cost
utility
cost
savings
over
time,
there's
also
a
specific
table
that
looks
at
the
payback
period
on
many
of
these
items
that
we're
looking
at
and
for
many
of
them
it
is
zero,
in
other
words,
setting
these
standards
and
taking
out
the
least
efficient
items,
the
the
gains
in
efficiency.
C
Actually,
you
know
the
the
lowest
efficiency
item
and
an
efficient
item
are
essentially
at
cost
parity,
so
we're
just
saving
people
money
by
by
them
not
using
as
much
energy.
Others
have
payback
periods
that
are
within
a
year
or
two
and
all
of
the
payback
periods
are
less
than
the
useful
life
of
the
item.
So,
ultimately,
as
as
these
efficient
items
transition
onto
the
shelves
for
retail
over
the
next
few
years,
we're
just
looking
at
at
saving
people
money.
B
And-
and
that's
what
I'm
sorry,
that's
and
that's
that's
why
I'm
I'm
suggesting
these
outlets
everything
you
said.
I
really
understand
if
I
were
to
go
to
five
people
on
the
street
in
my
district
and
ask
them
what
does
this
mean?
They
may
not
know
so,
I'm
just
all
I'm
saying.
B
They
make
sure
that
you
know
people
know
people
understand
and
they
can
break
it
down
to
bite
size
to
the
bite
size
process.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
howard
watts
for
the
record.
I
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I'll
I'll
be
following
up
with
you
on
some
of
that.
I
know
that
you're
well
aware
of
the
military
advisory
board's
involvement
on
on
some
of
the
broader
issues
around
climate
and
energy,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
interesting
opportunity
to
also
engage
with
them
in
terms
of
helping
spread
the
word
and
make
the
connections
to
those
communities.
A
What
is
your,
what's
your
plan
for
enforcement
right?
How
do
you
envision
this
working,
so
the
governor's
off
of
energy
office
of
energy
sets
the
standards?
How
do
you
envision
that
being
enforced
and
upon
who
the
retailer?
Where
do
we?
Where
do
we,
you
know
kind
of
insert
ourselves
and
what?
What
is
the
the
stick?
I
guess.
C
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Senator
chair
harris
howard
watts
for
the
record.
This
was
a
subject
of
much
discussion,
particularly
in
the
assembly.
There
was
some
concern
that
this
would
become
a
local
government
enforcement
and
that
it
would
also
be
involved
in
kind
of
building
code
enforcement.
We
wanted
to
clarify
that
that
that
was
not
the
case
and
not
the
intent,
so
it
will
come
with
goe
again.
C
What
they're
essentially
going
to
do
is
look
at
they're
going
to
have
lists
of
products,
and
then
you
know
they'll
have
the
ability
to
do
some
kind
of
auditing
or
spot
checking.
Of
course
we're
going
to
go
to
every
single
store
and
and
check
the
shelves
for
every
single
item.
No,
but
but
that's
that's.
Essentially,
the
enforcement
ability
is
to
be
able
to
do
some
some
investigations.
C
If
somebody
particularly
astute
customers
want
to
flag
and
not
flag
an
issue,
then
we
can
the
state
can
go
and
follow
up
and
it
really
will
primarily
be
at
the
retail
level.
One
other
thing
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
get
on
the
record:
is
we're
not
forcing
retrofitting
of
anything?
So
this
isn't
changing
anything
that
anybody
already
has
in
these
standards
will
apply
prospectively
and
they
apply
for
essentially
sale
moving
forward,
and
so
that's
that's
where
this
is
targeted.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
pardon
the
tardiness.
If
you've
already
addressed
this,
I
apologize
just
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
the
bill
references
energy
star
in
fact
relies
upon
energy
star,
which
is
a
long-standing
program.
E
C
C
Many
of
these
standards
provide
cost
savings
starting
on
day
one.
So
the
the
price
comparison
between
the
least
efficient
items
and
items
that
are
at
energy
star
level
in
some
of
the
the
cases
of
these
items,
there's
no
difference
so
by
making
sure
that
we're
taking
the
the
least
efficient
items
off
the
shelves,
we're
actually
saving
people
money
on
day.
C
One
another
thing
that
I'd
note
is
that
you
may
see
that
this
is
a
somewhat
eclectic
assortment
of
items
and
that's
because,
on
a
whole
other
range
of
items,
including
washers,
dryers,
a
lot
of
residential
appliances.
The
federal
government
has
already
set
standards.
Those
standards
cannot
be
preempted
by
states,
and-
and
so
this
is
really
an
effort,
and
this
is
not
only
in
nevada.
So
there
are
other
states
that
are
are
setting
these
standards
and
we're
trying
to
keep
those
standards
fairly
unified.
C
So
that
there's
not
you
know,
difference
as
you
go
from
one
state
to
another,
but
this
is
really
aimed
at
filling
in
the
gaps
where
the
federal
government
has
not
yet
set
standards,
and
I'd
just
like
to
make
it
clear
that
if
they
do
set
standards
for
any
of
these
items,
our
state
standards
become
moot.
At
that
point,.
E
All
right,
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
just
answered
my
next
question,
so
let
me
go
on
well.
Let
me
first
follow
up
on
what
you
just
said:
you're
right
in
that
the
federal
standards
will
preempt
ours,
but
I
haven't
found
any
other
state
that
has
done
what
this
proposes
to
do
now.
Obviously,
I
only
had
a
few
hours
to
look.
E
C
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
pickard
howard
watts
for
the
record,
so
we
work
with
an
organization,
that's
also
available
by
zoom,
to
step
in
and
potentially
add
some
additional
context.
If
that's
needed,
it's
called
the
appliance
standards,
awareness
project
and
they
work
with
industry
that
produces
these
items,
to
try
and
figure
out
what
efficiency
levels
make
sense
and
they
look
at
those
payback
periods
and
and
evaluate
the
cost,
effectiveness
and
availability
of
those
technologies
and
and
make
recommendations
and
continue
to
update
those
as
the
marketplace
evolves.
So
you'll
see
things
like
electric
vehicle
charges.
C
I
think
maybe
only
one
or
two
other
states
have
moved
forward
on
those
so
every
every
year
or
so
they
look
at
kind
of
the
marketplace,
continue
to
engage
with
the
industry
and
similar
entities
to
offices
of
energy
and
and
make
recommendations.
So
that's
why
you'll
see
there
are
some
items
in
here
that
are
not
reflected
in
other
states.
However,
you
know
those
are
things
that
I
think
will
continue
to
see
proposed
and
that
and
the
standards
themselves
will
be
unified.
C
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
important
about
this
proposal
is:
we
do
give
the
governor's
office
of
energy
the
ability
to
update
those,
while
also
allowing
a
grace
period
for
for
that
change
to
be
absorbed
into
the
market,
and
that
again
is
aimed
at
making
sure
that
we
can
have
some
consistency
so
that,
as
the
technology
modifies,
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
the
next
legislative
session.
In
order
to
make
an
adjustment.
F
Yes,
good
morning
chairs
and
members
of
the
committee,
let
me
know,
can
you
hear
me,
okay,.
F
Great
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
check
senator
to
your
question.
At
least
one
other
state
has
adopted
the
standards
in
the
bill
and
particularly
in
the
west.
Many
states
have
adopted
almost
all
of
the
standards
that
are
in
the
bill,
specifically
colorado,
washington,
state,
oregon
and
california
have
adopted
for
most
of
the
products
in
the
bill,
and
it's
interesting.
You
see
a
bit
of
an
overlap
there
with
those
states.
F
You
know
those
are
states
that
have
also
set
you
know:
goals
for
reducing
electricity
usage,
for
cleaning
up
their
electric
grid,
for
trying
to
reduce
air
pollution
and
to
save
consumers
money
along
the
way,
which
is
what
this
bill
helps
accomplish,
and
so
those
states
have
adopted
in
the
west
you've
also
seen
in
the
east,
vermont
and
massachusetts
had
adopted
almost
all
of
these
standards,
and
then
there
are
still
states
with
bills
working
through
their
legislature
at
this
time
that
have
again
most
of
the
products
in
the
bill.
Here.
F
There's
been
tremendous
interest
in
this
policy
quite
honestly
in
the
last
few
years,
and
we
anticipate
that
additional
states
will
be
looking
to
adopt
in
the
future,
so
other
states
have
been
first
movers
on
all
of
these
products.
Other
states
are
looking
to
adopt
in
the
future,
and
so
nevada
would
not
be
completely
out
in
front
but
would
also
still
be
providing
leadership
to
help
move
other
states
forward
as
well.
E
All
right
and
thank.
F
Yes,
my
apologies,
brian
fady
last
name
spelled
f-a-d-I-e
and
I'm
with
the
appliance
standards.
Awareness
project.
C
And
if
I
may,
before
before
senator
follows
up,
I
might
have
a
little
bit
of
additional
context
to
add
one
of
the
things
I
don't
know
if
you're
here
when
we
discuss
the
senator
is
section
37
with
the
flexible
demand
technology,
we're
we're,
allowing
the
state
to
adopt
some
standards
in
this
area.
Just
by
comparison,
california
legislature
passed
a
law
committing
to
establish
those
standards
and
then
having
the
state
go
down
that
path.
So
this
is
not
a
mandate,
it
is
a
an
option
that
we're
giving
and
then
there
are
a
couple
of
states.
C
I
believe
washington
and
oregon
have
picked
out
a
specific
type
of
technology
communication
ports
on
water
heaters
and
adopted
those
standards.
We
are
not
explicitly
adopting
those
standards
in
this
bill
instead
giving
the
flexibility
for
the
state
to
adopt
those
moving
forward,
and
then
I
think
to
one
of
your
to
try
and
also
just
get
some
further
clarity
on
one
of
your
questions.
Mr
fady,
would
you
mind
sharing
what
are
the
most
recent
additions
to
kind
of
the
standards
policies
for
consideration.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chair,
harrison.
Members
of
the
committee.
You
know
some
of
the
newer
products
that
have
been
added
include
air
purifiers
and
the
electric
vehicle
supply
equipment,
as
well
as
the
gas,
fireplaces
and
assemblyman
watts
described
earlier,
that
there
is
a
an
evaluation
process
that
happens
annually.
To
take
a
look
at
changes
in
the
appliance
marketplace.
F
You
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
going
to
be
good
consumer
savings
that
you
have
a
zero
or
low
payback
period,
that
there
are
plenty
of
options,
models
that
will
be
compliant
on
day,
one
so
that
consumers
have
plenty
of
choice
and
also
that
you
have
data
available
to
analyze.
Will
there
be
good
electricity
savings?
F
Will
there
be
good
air
pollution
savings
and
all
of
the
products
that
are
included
in
this
bill
have
met
those
criteria
that
we've
been
able
to
verify
that
there
would
be
good
consumer
savings,
good
energy
savings,
good
air
pollution
savings
and
that
there
is
a
wide
availability
of
these
products
in
the
market
that
would
be
compliant
on
day.
One.
E
All
right,
thank
you
and
my
last
question
had
to
do
with
enforcement.
You
kind
of
touched
on
it
already
I
mean
my
experience
has
been
because
I
was
in
development
for
almost
20
years.
We
tried
to
lead
in
terms
of
on
our
residential
side.
We
were
trying
to
lead
in
terms
of
energy,
star
and
and
green
globes
on
the
commercial
side
or
lead.
E
I
guess
we
did
more
lead
than
green
globe
stuff,
but
I
never
encountered
a
situation
where
you
could
buy
anything
with
a
higher
energy
efficiency
for
the
same
price
as
a
lower.
It
never
happened,
it
always
cost
more.
Now
you
know
on
small
consumer
items
like
air,
purifiers
and
stuff,
I
could
see
maybe
being
a
little
more
competitive,
but
these
things
cost
money
to
make
it
more
efficient,
and
so
the
manufacturers
typically
will
charge
more
number
one
because
it
costs
more
number
two,
because
it's
better
they
they
can.
E
The
market
will
sustain
a
higher
price.
So,
on
the
enforcement
side,
this
the
energy
star
program
already
exists,
and
you
put
you
touched
on
really
probably
the
most
difficult
part
of
this
and
that's.
We
are
a
very
transient
society
in
in
nevada,
so
you've
got
people
moving
in
and
out
all
the
time
and
where
you've
got
civil
penalties
for
failure
to
meet,
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
you
how
you
would
prove
that
or
how
a
a
consumer
would.
E
Oh,
this
isn't
giving
me
that
three
cents
per
day
that
I'm
supposed
to
be
getting
in
efficiency
from
a
practical
standpoint.
Who
is
it
that
enforces
this?
Is
it
done
strictly
through
litigation,
because
it's
a
civil
penalty
and
who
is
going
to
be
out
there
testing
to
verify
that
these
things
have
met
the
the
standards
in
the
person's
home
or
in
the
business,
as
opposed
to
the
manufacturer's
certifications
that
be
because
every
unit
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
next
coming
off
the
line?
How
do
we
from
a
practical
standpoint?
A
Just
before
you
answer
senator
pickard,
I
want
to
point
you
to
to
two
things.
One
assemblyman
watts
mentioned
that
we
have
an
exhibit
online
that
talks
about
the
expected
pay
off
period.
A
The
payback
period
where
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
different
appliances
and
how
long
it
would
take
you
estim,
you
know
an
estimate
of
how
long
it
would
take
you
to
recoup
the
cost
of
the
appliance.
Second,
I
want
to
note
that
this
bill
does
not
touch
on
the
consumer
protection
issues,
so
I
imagine
that
anyone
today,
who
is
claiming
something
is
energy
star
rated
and
it
is
not,
would
be
in
the
same
amount
of
trouble
and
have
to
deal
with
the
same
folks.
They
have
to
deal
with
after
this
bill
passed.
E
Sure-
and
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
that
if
someone
has
mislabeled
their
product,
that's
that's
actually
that
I
think
that's
easier
to
prove
right.
We're
talking
about
those
incremental
differences
in
you
know
what
they
have
today
versus
what
they
have
tomorrow
and
had
I
plugged
my
computer
in
last
night.
I
probably
could
look
at
that
exhibit,
but
I
can't
right
now.
C
C
The
state
and
the
governor's
office
of
energy
is
the
is
the
entity
tasked
with
enforcement.
I
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
It's
not
going
to
be
it's
not
going
to
fall
on
local
government,
it's
not
going
to
fall
on
code
enforcement
and
the
point
of
of
compliance
is
with
the
retailers
who
are
selling
products
to
nevadans.
C
Again,
we
cannot
regulate
interstate
commerce.
We
have
some
clarifying
language
at
the
end
of
the
bill
to
to
make
sure
that
if
people
have
product
here
but
they're
moving
that
product
out
of
the
state,
the
the
standards
don't
apply.
So
it
is
product
that
is
being
sold
to
nevadans
here,
and
you
mentioned
people
move
around
and
they
bring
their
items
with
them,
and
I
want
to
be
extremely
clear:
there
is
no
enforcement
that
goes
into
someone's
home
or
someone's
place
of
business.
Whatever
items
you
have
is
fine.
C
This
is
about
when
something
breaks
or
you
need
something
new
and
you
go
to
the
store
to
buy
it,
making
sure
that
the
options
that
are
available
are
efficient
and
so
no
one's
coming
in
to
to
see
you
know
what
what
models
of
things
are
in
place
and
making
sure
that
they
meet
certain
standards.
It
really
is,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
aimed
at
new
inventory,
that's
being
brought
into
the
marketplace,
and
I
hope
that
addresses
your
your
question.
E
It
does,
and
I
appreciate
that
just
my
last
question
madam
chair
is
just
as
to
the
efficiency
of
the
units.
It
sounds
like
we're
talking
mostly
consumer
goods
and
yet,
as
you
pointed
out
most
of
the
consumer
goods
right
now
under
the
federal
paradigm
preclude
our
our
intrusion.
Can
you
remind
me,
I
think
you
told
me,
but
can
you
remind
me
which
of
the
items
in
here
are
not
covered
by
the
federal
rules
and
would
be
unique
to
nevada.
C
Of
course,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Senator
pickard,
howard
watts,
for
the
record
first
thing
I
want
to
state-
is
that
all
of
these
items
do
not
have
federal
standards
set,
and
so
you
know,
as
federal
standards
are
set
again,
these
would
become
moot
and
organizations
such
as
asap
actually
removed
them
from
their
their
policy
recommendations,
because
there
is
no
longer
a
point
in
a
state
setting
a
standard,
so
all
of
these
would
would
be
that
would
have
state
standards
set.
C
C
It
includes
a
range
of
commercial
items,
so
commercial
dishwashers,
fryers,
oven,
steam
cookers
and
hot
food
holding
cabinets.
Then
it
covers
air
purifiers,
certain
specific
types
of
fluorescent
lights
that
weren't
covered
by
some
of
the
lighting
standards.
We
adopted
last
session
computers
and
monitors
water,
coolers,
residential
ventilating
fans,
gas,
fireplaces
and
electric
vehicle
supply.
B
I
may
have
forgotten
just
kidding
just
kidding,
so
someone
watched
first
of
all
thanks
a
lot
for
bringing
the
legislation.
I
think
we've
had
conversations
about
this
several
years
ago.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
Just
I
have
one
question.
I
know
that
air
liquid,
which
is
a
it's
based
primarily
in
france,
but
they
have
just
invested
200
million
dollars
in
a
new
facility
in
north
las
vegas.
B
I
believe
it's
in
my
district,
but
so
my
question
would
be
we've.
We've
talked
a
lot
in
in
this
bill
about
what,
in
terms
of
what
that
means
for
electricity,
but
we
we
also
know
that
hydrogen
fuel
cells
are
starting
to
emerge
too
in
terms
of
other
applications
for
appliances
for
heating
cars,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
B
So
is
there
a
way
in
the
rule
making
process
that
we
can
include
the
phrase
that
is
so
often
overlooked
without
limitation,
so
that
so
that,
as
these
other
renewable
energy
sources
come
online,
we
don't
have
to
come
back
and
try
to
do
something
again
and-
and
I
know
I
know
that
that
air
liquid
is,
is
thinking
about
doing
a
lot
of
different
things.
So
200
million
dollars
for
north
las
vegas
to
me
is
a
big
deal.
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
question.
Senator
spearman
howard
watts
for
the
record,
yes,
absolutely,
and
what
I
would
particularly
point
you
to
is
section
32
of
the
bill
which
allows
the
office
of
energy
to
set
standards
for
other
items
moving
forward.
So
as
that
technology
matures,
you
know,
for
example,
we
have
most
of
these
items
in
here
are
powered
by
electricity.
We
also
have
gas
fireplaces,
and
we
know
that
there
you
know
there
are
some
items
that
are
powered
by
electricity.
Some
are
powered
by
gas
as
as
other
energy
sources
may
become
available.
C
Section
32
would
allow
the
office
again
in
consultation
with
you,
know
the
public
industry,
stakeholders,
consumer
groups,
etc,
to
to
consider
modifying
either
modifying
the
standards
for
some
of
these
items
or
creating
new
standards
for
items
with
new
energy
sources
moving
forward-
and
the
last
thing
I
would
say
is
this
now:
this
does
build
upon
a
build
that
I
actually
brought
forward
and
we
passed
last
session
setting
some
efficiency
standards
for
fixtures
and
we
we
tied
those
to
water
sense
and
again,
one
of
the
the
goals
of
these
policies
is
for
us
not
to
have
to
only
address
it
in
statute
every
other
year
when
we're
in
session
and
and
create
the
flexibility,
as
you
stated
to
to
let
the
standards
adjust
as
the
technology
and
the
market
does.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
assemblyman
watch
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
to
testimony
at
this
point.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
room
who'd
like
to
testify
in
support.
G
Good
morning,
chair
harrison
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
angie
dykema
here
on
behalf
of
sweep
the
southwest
energy
efficiency
project,
and
thank
you
for
scheduling
this
to
be
heard
today.
We
thank
the
bill
sponsor
for
bring
this
forward
and
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
an
important
piece
of
legislation
and
it's
one
of
the
most
impactful
and
common
sense
steps
that
a
state
can
take
to
reduce
energy
waste,
safeguard
consumers
and
small
businesses,
reduce
energy
bills
and
meaningfully
act
on
climate
change.
G
G
There
are
a
number
of
organizations,
including
consumer
federation
of
america,
consumer
reports,
the
pool
and
hot
tub
alliance,
a
joint
business
letter
signed
by
a
number
of
business
and
health
organizations
and
national
national
consumer
law
center,
and
a
number
of
advocacy
groups
that
are
in
support
of
the
bill.
So
just
want
to
bring
attention
to
that
and
say.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
this
today
and
we
urge
the
committee
to
move
it
forward.
Thank.
G
H
Good
morning,
chair
harris
and
the
committee,
my
name
is
marie
steele
m-a-r-I-e-s-t-e-e-l-e,
I'm
here
this
morning
on
behalf
of
nv
energy
in
support
of
ab383
recognizing
you
have
many
things
to
get
done
today.
I'll
keep
this
very
short
and
just
say
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
assemblyman
watts
for
his
work
on
this
bill.
H
We
share
his
enthusiasm
in
reducing
our
carbon
footprint
and
keeping
our
customers
energy
bills
low.
I'm
also
very
excited
to
hear
about
the
flexible
load
technology
here
there
as
well,
because
that
is
equally
important
for
our
carbon
goals.
So
we
look
forward
to
continuing
our
work
on
energy,
climate
and
equity
policy
in
the
built
environment
in
the
interim,
with
the
assemblyman
and
with
your
committee
thanks
so
much.
A
I
I
J
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-C-A-B-R-E-R-A
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
here
in
support
of
ab-383
increasing
energy
efficiency
is
good
for
our
health
good
for
our
environment
and
we'll
save
save
nevadans
money.
Energy
efficiency
is
also
a
key
climate
priority
in
the
2021
nevada
climate
strategy.
J
Establishing
these
appliances
standards
are
estimated
to
eliminate
more
than
100
million
for
one
million
tons
of
co2
from
our
atmosphere
and
save
nevadans
28
million
dollars
per
year
by
2035..
This
building
gives
it
out
as
the
opportunity
to
take
another
big
step
in
combating
the
climate
crisis
and
save
nevadans
money.
We
urge
your
support
and
thank
you
for
your.
I
I
K
The
references
to
other
standards
assists
our
office
in
providing
some
technical
signals
to
us.
That
saves
us
from
from
doing
a
lot
of
the
work
from
scratch,
so
we're
excited
to
engage
with
those
cutting
edge
standards
for
the
products
that
are
not
covered
by
the
federal
energy
policy,
conservation,
energy
policy
and
conservation
act,
as
was
discussed.
K
Certainly,
what
we
heard
from
consumers
as
far
as
impacts
say,
for
instance,
you
had
hot
pocket
warmers
and
that
there
was
only
two
manufacturers
of
those
with
the
language
that
we
have
now.
We
would
have
flexibility
to
acknowledge
those
potential
consumer
impacts
before
going
forward
with
the
standards,
something
that
I'm
personally
acutely
aware
of
right
now,
as
I
just
purchased
yesterday,
a
refrigerator
that
I
will
have
to
wait,
eight
weeks
to
take
delivery
of
just
given
where
things
where
things
are
with
the
supply
chain
issues.
K
I
would
note
that,
for
the
model
and
the
brand
that
I
was
looking
at,
the
model
that
I
ultimately
selected
was
200
cheaper
than
the
comparable
model
and
the
200
cheaper
model
was
the
energy
star
certified
model,
as
opposed
to
the
other
one
little
quark
that
I
was
able
to
come
out
come
across.
As
I
was
doing,
my
research
and
just
in
closing,
I
would
reiterate
what
has
already
been
mentioned,
that
this
is
a
direct
connection
to
the
climate
strategy,
and
we
appreciate
this
legislation's
support
of
our
climate
goals.
Thank
you,
madam.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
bobsien,
just
a
quick
question,
something
when
watts
said
your
office
will
be
enforcing
this.
Can
you
tell
me
how
that's
going
to
be
done.
K
Yes,
thank
you
senator
picker,
david
bobson,
for
the
record,
and
that
was
part
of
our
conversation
with
the
bill's
evolution,
making
sure
that
this
was
providing
us
with
flexibility
that
we
may
investigate.
If
things
are
brought
to
our
attention.
This
is
a
little
more
rigorous
and
structured
than
the
enforcement
responsibilities
we
have
under
the
light
bulb
legislation
that
was
passed
last
session.
K
What
we
envision
is,
if
someone
were
to
bring
a
an
issue
to
our
attention
that
there
was
being
sold
a
product
that
was
not
part
of
our
our
database
query
of
acceptable
products.
Once
the
regulations
are
put
in
place,
we
would
connect
with
the
attorney
general's
office
to
pursue
the
matter.
K
Those
have
gone
quite
well
and
we've
seen
a
distinct
shift
in
the
marketplace.
We
acknowledge
that
this
is
more
expansive
in
scope,
but
we
are
prepared
to
undertake
an
outreach
effort
to
prepare
folks,
because
we
do
believe
it's
much
better
to
educate
people
on
the
front
end
rather
than
having
to
sit
back
and
and
wait
for
enforcement
opportunities.
I
Caller
you
chair
callers.
Once
again,
we
are
on
support
of
ab383.
If
you
would
like
to
provide
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
383,
please
press
star
9
now
to
enter
the
queue.
I
A
I
A
G
Good
morning,
chair
harris
vice
chair,
brooks
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
matt
morris
for
the
record
on
behalf
of
nevada
resort
association,
nevada
resort
association
is
neutral
on
assembly
bill,
383,
nra's
members
strongly
support
energy
efficiency,
conservation
and
sustainability
goals,
as
amended,
ab383
includes
provisions
that
align
with
nra's
commitment
to
energy
efficiency
and
sustainability.
G
I
L
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
matt
walker,
m-a-t-t
w-a-l-k-e-r,
I'm
calling
in
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association,
the
southern
nevada,
home
builders
association
has
committed
to
the
governor
and
and
other
key
regulators
as
part
of
the
climate
plan
that
that
the
home
builder
and
home
builders
will
be
at
the
table
as
a
meaningful
part
of
helping
the
state
reach
its
climate
goals.
As
this
proposal
has
developed,
obviously
with
a
small
state,
we're
always
concerned
about
individual
product
mandates
and
the
availability
of
products.
L
L
In
our
opinion,
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
quickly
a
couple
of
key
elements
that
we
have
been
assured
can
be
worked
out
in
regulation,
and
that
is
the
fact
that
the
pilot
light
automatically
extinguishing
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
simultaneous
or
with
the
same
button
as
the
control
that
shuts
off
the
main
burner
and
that
the
seven
day
pilot
light
shutoff
is,
from
the
last
day
last
instance,
of
the
main
burner
use,
not
necessarily
just
like
a
calendar
day
shut
off.
L
So
again,
those
are
definitely
things
that
we've
been
assured
can
be
worked
out
in
regulation
and
just
an
example
of
some
of
the
more
detailed
implementation
things
that
that
we'll
be
at
the
table
for
want
to
again
express
our
great
thanks
to
brian
fady,
the
team
at
azap
and
the
sponsor
for
their
very
diligent,
hard
work
and
ensuring
that
this
regulatory
process
would
happen
in
a
in
a
transparent
and
open
manner.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
Okay,
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
ab383.
Thank
you
so
much
assemblyman
watts
for
your
time,
since
we
are
on
day
119.
I
also
accept
a
motion
at
this
time
to
do
pass.
A
E
A
A
I
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
before
we
adjourn
this
is
likely
our
last
meeting
of
the
session,
and
I
wanted
to
thank,
I
said,
likely
no
guarantees
and
I
wanted
to
thank
all
of
the
fantastic
people
who
have
made
this
committee
work
I'll
start
off
with
the
committee
members.
You
all
have
been
fantastic
and
engaged,
and
I
truly
appreciate
you
miss
scholey.
A
The
the
legend
live
and
in
the
flesh
has
been
amazing,
as
our
our
policy
analyst
eileen
o'grady,
as
our
legal
counsel,
while
also
juggling
being
financed
as
legal
counsel,
which
is
a
huge
job
in
its
own
eileen.
Thank
you
so
much
ms
casura,
who
is
the
committee
manager,
but
also
my
legislative
assistant,
paula,
peters,
debbie,
shope,
great
committee,
secretaries
in
the
building
and,
of
course,
our
broadcast
services,
who
is
an
indomitable
force
in
a
in
a
kind
of
dual
electronic
in
person
world.
You
guys
have
managed
that
fantastically.
A
We
could
not
have
done
any
of
this
without
you.
So
thank
you
all
so
much,
and
I
wish
you
all
the
very
best
we
are.