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A
Here
note:
we
have
three
members
present
and
we
do
have
quorum.
Please
mark
senator
spearman
and
pickett
present
as
they
arrive.
Okay
take
two:
we
will
now
open
up
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
448
and
all
oklahoma
colleague
vice
chair
brooks
to
the
table,
and
I
believe
he
has
several
other
presenters
with
him.
So
sandra
brooks
please
proceed
when
you're
ready.
C
Thank
you
chair
harris
I
have
with
me
today
is
bob
johnston
who
will
be
at
the
table
with
me
if
that's
okay,
with
our
rules.
A
Well,
we've
got
folks
a
lot
closer
than
the
last
time
we
had
our
our
hearing
in
the
room,
and
so
I
anticipated
it
should
be
fine
for
mr
johnson
to
join.
You.
C
Right
on,
thank
you
and
he'll
also
be
the
powerpoint
driver
and
also
today,
with
me,
is
we
have
director
bob
sien
from
the
governor's
office
of
energy
director
brown
from
governor's
office
of
economic
development
and
mr
bob
potts
from
the
governor
governor's
office
of
economic
development
as
well,
and
they
will
be
here
to
present
part
of
this
and
answer
questions
when
we
are
done.
My
name
is
chris,
brooks
senator
chris
brooks
from
senate
district
three
in
the
middle
of
las
vegas,
and
I'm
here
to
present
senate
bill
448.
C
senate
bill.
448
is
an
attempt
for
nevada
to
capture
its
place
in
the
new
energy
economy
senate
bill.
448
has
several
provisions
that
help
nevada
take
full
advantage
of
the
resources
we
have
and
the
potential
we
have
to
attract
billions
of
dollars
of
private
capital
into
our
state
to
be
able
to
take
full
advantage
of
federal
infrastructure
monies
coming
to
our
state
and
to
create
tens
of
thousands
of
high-paying
local
jobs
all
while
reducing
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
helping
us
to
meet
our
climate
goals.
C
I
am
gonna
if,
if
it's
okay
with
the
chair,
walk
through
some
powerpoint
slides
and
don't
be
alarmed
by
the
the
amount
of
powerpoint
slides,
because
I
will
go
through
them
quickly,
they
are
for
a
reference
before
and
after
this
committee
hearing
as
much
as
anything
for
the
members
and
for
the
public
nevada
has
unique
opportunity
to
expand
its
clean
energy
economy.
C
To
do
a
handful
of
things,
provide
economic
diversity
to
create
new
high-paying
jobs,
to
increase
electric
grid
resiliency
and
to
provide
new
tax
revenues
to
the
state
all
while
decreasing
carbon
emissions
and
air
pollution,
and
increasing
economic
and
environmental
justice
for
nevadans
nevada
is
positioned
to
be
a
leader
in
clean
energy.
Think
about
this.
We
have
almost
no
fossil
fuels
in
the
state
and
so
we're
importing
all
almost
all
of
our
fossil
energy
and
that's
more
than
eight
billion
dollars
a
year
annually.
C
We
have
existing
transmission
transmission
infrastructure,
some
of
the
most
robust
transmission
infrastructure
in
the
united
states,
right
in
southern
nevada,
right
outside
of
las
vegas
in
the
mead
marketplace,
el
dorado,
substations,
we're
adjacent
to
the
largest
energy
economy
and
the
largest
economic
economy
in
all
of
north
america,
and
we
are
have
the
only
operating
lithium,
mine
and
and
some
of
the
best
lithium
resources
in
the
entire
world.
Right
here
in
nevada,
we
have
a
well-established
high-tech
mining
industry
that
can
capitalize
on
that.
C
We
have
established
labor
unions
and
apprenticeship
programs
that
have
been
built
around
the
new
energy
economy
and
we
are
leaders
in
the
construction
industry
if
you've
ever
worked,
seen
a
casino
be
built
on
the
las
vegas
strip.
You
know
that
there's
about
there
isn't
about
anything
that
we
can't
build
and
build
quickly
and
build
well,
and
we
have
universities
and
research
facilities
right
here
in
the
in
the
state
of
nevada
that
are
set
up
around
clean
energy
in
the
new
energy
economy.
C
We
have
relatively
new
roads,
rail
and
airports.
We
have
relatively
new
transmission
and
distribution
systems
in
southern
nevada
and
we
are
an
international
travel
hub.
We
have
easy
business
startups,
no
corporate
income
tax
and
many
programs
to
support
energy
projects.
For
all
of
these
reasons,
we
should
be
the
leader
in
clean
energy
in
the
new
energy
economy.
Here
in
the
united
states.
C
C
The
third
is
energy
efficiency,
rooftop
solar
resource
planning
to
reduce
carbon
emissions,
energy
storage,
economic
development
rate
writer
program
and
then
a
few
regulatory
cleanup
provisions
that
we
are
providing
in
this
bill
and-
and
we
have
with
us
today-
doug
cannon
as
well
from
ce,
the
ceo
of
nv
energy,
who
will
go
into
a
little
bit
greater
detail
on
this,
but
the
transmission
infrastructure
opportunities
we
have
in
the
state
of
nevada
are
are
very
important
to
the
future
of
the
economic
future
of
our
state
transmission.
C
There
is
a
kind
of
obvious
lack
of
transmission
to
connect
all
the
dots,
and
that
is
basically
in
the
center
and
western
side
of
nevada,
and
by
building
that
out,
we
would
be
able
to
support
the
regional
transmission
markets.
And
if
you
could
think
about
connecting
those
dots
with
the
high
voltage
transmission
lines
in
the
west,
we
would
be
able
to
move
wind
power.
That
happens.
For
instance,
at
night
in
in
the
in
the
mountain
west,
we'd
be
able
to
move
that
through
in
into
nevada
and
through
nevada.
C
Our
state
from
one
utility
to
the
next
nevada
gets
economic
benefit
for
that,
and
so
we
because
of
the
infrastructure
we
have
in
southern
nevada
and
because
of
the
geographic
location
we
have
to
existing
transmission
lines
and
future
and
future
projects
that
have
been
planned.
If
we
just
connect
the
dots
with
a
few
transmission
lines,
we
could
realize
that
economic
opportunity
as
being
the
hub
of
the
western
grid,
and
we
could
realize
the
benefits
that
come
with
all
of
that
energy,
that
we
could
export
and
all
that
energy
that
would
move
through
our
state.
C
The
benefits
are
billions
of
dollars
of
economic
activity
in
our
state
and
billions
of
dollars
of
private
investment
in
our
state
in
renewable
energy
projects.
If
you
look
at
that
that
slide
that
we
have
up
right
there
and
you
look
at
the
proposed
green
link
transmission
lines,
for
instance,
they
would
access
all
of
those
renewable
energy
development
zones
which
are
currently
almost
100
percent
federal
lands.
C
C
We
could
open
up
the
opportunities
for
all
of
that
for
development
in
our
state,
and
we
would
be
then
turning
what's
now
federal
lands
into
a
local,
a
taxable
property,
that
the
benefit
of
the
tax
would
go
to
the
local
governments
where
these
projects
exist
and
to
the
state,
as
well
as
to
the
economic
activities
that
we
create
with
all
those
jobs.
C
You
can
maybe
the
most
common
one
that
we're
aware
of
here
in
nevada
is
the
kaiso
and
the
in
california
and
nevada
has
is
home
to
the
only
non-kaiso
utility
in
all
of
the
united
states,
and
so
we
already
have
a
good
head
start
on
on
the
world
of
regional
markets.
C
But
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
across
the
western
united
states
about
what
a
regional
market
should
look
like
and
as
we're
sitting
here
in
this
committee
room
hearing
senate
bill
448,
my
friends,
senator
chris
hansen
in
colorado,
is
moving
his
senate
bill
that
that
talks
about
regionalization,
in
the
very
same
terms
that
we
talk
about
it
in
this
bill
acros
through
the
california
house.
Excuse
me
the
colorado
house-
and
this
is
a
western
conversation
taking
place
between
western
governors,
and
I
hope
director
bobsian
talks
about
that
a
little
bit.
C
But
it's
taking
place
between
western
governors
and
it's
taking
place
between
all
the
big
utilities
and
small
utilities
in
the
west
and
it's
taking
place
at
the
legislative
level
and
the
benefits
of
an
rto
is
it.
It
spreads
out
both
generation
and
load
across
a
large
regional
area
and
the
benefits
of
that
are
resiliency.
C
I
I
see
transmission
as
a
national
security
issue
and
if
we
build
out
more
transmission
and
we
build
out
more
storage
and
we
integrate
it
into
other
systems,
I
think
it
makes
it
makes
nevada's
a
place
in
in
the
national
security
apparatus
even
more
important
and
it
builds
out
and
it
creates
resiliency
in
a
way
that
we
don't
see
what
happened
in
texas
happen
in
nevada,
and
you
know
we
get
to
a
situation
where
we
get
very,
very
close
to
to
maxing
out
our
system
and
not
having
the
res
not
having
the
availability
of
of
electricity
on
some
of
our
super
peak
times
and
and
it's
happened
and
we
you
know,
saw
through
deregulation
and
lack
of
resource
and
lack
of
of
transmission
assets.
C
20,
oh
yeah,
20
years
ago.
What
can
happen
with
the
western
energy
crisis,
but
we
also
have
seen
what
happened
in
california
just
this
last
summer,
and
that
was
not
necessarily
a
lack
of
resource.
It
was
a
lack
of
access
to
the
resource
when
they
need
it.
The
most
and
transmission
helps
that
happen.
It
helps
that
problem
go
away,
so
it
also
does
something.
C
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
being
able
to
be
in
a
regional
market
can
do
and
the
the
energy
imbalance
market
is
is
really
a
good
example
of
that,
and
hopefully
mr
cannon
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
as
well.
It
provides
access
to
lower
cost
energy.
So
if
you
just
look
at
the
loads
in
the
state
of
nevada,
which
are
primarily
centered
in
two
little
pockets,
and
then
you
try
to
to
just
provide
the
the
generation
for
those
loads,
especially
zero
carbon
generation
for
those
loads,
it's
far
more
affordable.
C
If
you
have
the
entire
western
united
states
to
be
able
to
access
those
markets,
and-
and
so
as
we
build
out
regional
markets
across
the
west
and
regional
markets
exist
in
in
in
everything
east
of
the
rockies.
Right
now,
but
if
we
built
out
regional
markets
in
the
west-
and
we
built
some
transmission,
that
would
start
laid
the
groundwork
for
the
network
of
transmission
lines
necessary
to
really
make
that
happen.
We
increased
resiliency,
we
increase
national
security,
but
we
lower
the
cost
of
energy
for
nevada's
and
and
it's
a
significant
opportunity.
C
So
while
we
have
to
make
investments
in
infrastructure,
it
opens
up
opportunities
for
those
who
are
serviced
by
nv
energy,
but
also
those
who
procure
their
own
energy.
They
then
have
transmission
options
and
therefore
they
have
access
to
clean
energy
at
a
lower
price
and
to
the
benefit
of
all
rate
payers.
Large
and
small.
C
And
that
brings
me
to
the
next
topic
in
this
bill
and
senate
bill
448
and
that's
transportation,
electrification,
transportation.
Electrification
has
the
opportunity
to
not
only
clean
up
air
pollution
that
disproportionately
affects
the
communities
in
our
in
our
state
that
are
historically
underserved,
but
it
also
it.
It
has
the
opportunity
to
reduce
our
largest
sector
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
transportation,
because
we've
done
such
a
good
job
with
renewable
energy
and
lowering
our
carbon
emissions
through
the
electricity
sector.
C
The
transportation
sector
is
the
largest
greenhouse
gas
emitter
and
the
largest
emitter
and
of
of
pollution
in
our
state
pollution
that
causes
health
problems
for
our
many
of
our
nevadans,
especially
those
who
are
from
communities
that
are
historically
underserved
and
causes
billions
of
dollars
of
health
damages.
As
a
result,
transportation
electrification
also
provides
the
opportunity
to
give
choices
to
consumers
right
now.
C
We
are
at
a
tipping
point
where
an
electric
vehicle
is
the
same
price
as
its
gasoline
engine
counterpart
and
is
getting
cheaper
every
day
and
we,
the
cost
of
operating
and
owning
an
electric
vehicle,
is
already
a
fraction
of
what
it
is
for
a
gasoline
engine
vehicle,
so
personal
transportation
and
public
transportation
are
really
very
good
candidates
to
be
electrified
and
in
nevada,
believe
it
or
not,
sitting
up
here
in
western
nevada
up
in
rural
parts
of
nevada.
C
It's
hard
to
imagine,
but
nevada
is
one
of
the
most
urban
states
in
the
entire
united
states.
If
you
think
about
where
you
know,
80
percent
of
the
population,
the
state
lives
are
clustered
very
closely
in
two
valleys
here
in
the
state.
Well,
that
creates
a
lot
of
air
pollution,
but
it
also
makes
even
the
lowest
cost
and
shortest
range
electric
vehicles.
C
A
good
choice
for
for
the
majority
of
nevadans
and
longer
ranges
are
coming
every
day
and
cheaper
prices
are
coming
every
day,
but
that
those
health
benefits
and
those
greenhouse
gas
emissions
benefits
and
those
economic
benefits
for
for
all
nevadans
only
exist.
If
you
can
charge
your
vehicle
right
now,
you
know
I
have
a
electric
vehicle
charger
in
my
garage
and
an
electric
vehicle
in
my
garage
and
a
battery
system
and
a
solar
system
and
all
the
stuff.
C
But
there
are
so
many
nevadans
as
a
matter
of
fact,
most
nevadans
who
don't
have
access
to
that,
and
so,
if
we
want
to
make
the
benefits
of
electrification
available
to
all
nevadans,
we
need
to
provide
charging
infrastructure.
For
that
and
another
benefit
of
providing
charging
infrastructure
is
when
you
have
charging
infrastructure
and
you're
charging
these
electric
vehicles.
C
You
are
creating
a
load
that
then
spreads
out
the
cost
of
not
just
electric
vehicle
charging,
but
all
electricity
in
the
entire
state
across
a
broader
base,
and
so
you
know
more
units
and
and
you
get
lower
prices,
and
so
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
of
data.
That
shows,
and
quite
a
bit
of
studies
that
show
that
electrification
of
transportation
provides
downward
rate
pressure
for
all
ratepayers,
including
those
who
don't
have
electric
vehicles,
and
so
that's
another
benefit
of
electrification.
C
And
it
would
save,
according
to
a
study
that
just
was
commissioned,
it
would
save
by
mj
bradley
and
associates.
This
is
a
new
study
from
2021
that
the
cumulative
net
benefits
by
2050
for
the
electrification
of
the
transportation
sector
could
be
21
billion
dollars,
and
most
of
that
comes
in
driver
savings.
C
And
you
know
the
cost
of
kilowatt
hours
have
gone
nothing
but
gone
down
here
in
the
state
of
nevada
all
while
the
makeup
of
the
kilowatt
hour
has
gotten
cleaner
and
cleaner
and
cleaner
every
year
and
the
kilowatt
hour,
the
electricity
that
you
buy.
That
is
what
drives
your
v,
your,
that
is
the
fuel
for
your
electric
vehicle.
So
imagine
a
world
where,
in
nevada
we
are
making
all
of
our
own
energy
or
most
of
our
own
electricity.
C
This
bill
addresses
that,
and
it
does
this
through
through
two
different
ways,
for
the
purposes
of
of
just
trying
to
lay
the
groundwork
and
getting
out
in
front
of
this
wave
of
electric
vehicles
coming
our
way-
and
you
know
I
always
say
that
since
that
I
watched
the
super
bowl
this
year
and
not
a
particularly
enjoyable
game,
but
the
commercials
were
awesome
as
they
usually
are,
and
the
mvp
of
the
super
bowl
this
year
were
electric
vehicles
and
every
major
manufacturer,
and
then
new
startups
every
day
are
going
to
be
making
new
electric
vehicles
and
if
we
don't
get
out
in
front
of
that,
we
are
going
to
miss
out
on
some
of
those
benefits.
C
And
so
we
decided
that
that
there's
two
different
ways
in
this
bill
that
we
wanted
to
approach
this
one
was
immediate.
Get
out.
There
make
immediate
investments,
put
people
to
work,
get
some
tax
revenues
happening
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
and
and
start
laying
the
groundwork
so
that
that
we
can
get
in
front
of
this
wave
of
electric
vehicles
will
be
coming
to
our
state
and
and
then
the
second
part
would
be
put
in
place.
C
But
the
first
piece
has
five
different
types
of
programs
and
we're
directing
the
investment
of
100
million
dollars
in
and
transportation
electrification
during
the
next
two
years,
and
that
comes
in
five
different
programs:
interstate
corridor
charging
depots,
that
is,
to
facilitate
long-term
distance
travel
within
our
state,
but
also
to
give
travelers
into
our
state
the
comfort
that
they
can
come
from
out
of
state
and
visit
nevada
and
stay
and
enjoy
all
the
great
things
we
have
to
offer
in
nevada
and
leave
some
of
their
dollars
behind
and
and
charging
infrastructure
in.
C
The
interstate
corridors
help
them
do
that
urban
charging
depots.
We
need
to
have
the
ability
to
have
folks
be
able
to
find
places
to
charge
their
vehicles
in
the
core
of
our
cities
and
public
agency
charging
school
buses.
Fleets.
There
is
the
the
one
of
the
prime
kind
of
candidates
for
electrification
is
school
buses.
You
know
they're
parked
they
park
a
certain
amount
of
hours
every
day,
and
then
they
have
a
certain
set
route
that
they
go
on.
C
But
you
know
our
schools
are
are
in
in
a
situation
right
now,
where
funding
is,
is
they
have
to
prioritize
where
they
put
their
funding?
So
if
we
can
put
charging
infrastructure
to
help
those
those
school
districts
when
we
know
that
there's
some
availability
there
for
help
to
get
school
buses?
I
think
we
can
see
the
electrification
of
of
our
school
bus
fleet,
and
that
is
a
direct
impact
to
the
children
who
are
riding
on
those
school
buses
and
the
neighborhoods
that
they
serve.
And
then
we
have.
C
The
last
is
outdoor
recreation
and
tourism,
and
this
one
I'm
kind
of
I'm
I'm
excited
about
that
and
because,
when
you
think
about
coming
to
this
to
nevada
and
you
think
about
and
I'll
use,
las
vegas
as
an
example,
you
come
to
las
vegas
and
you
drive
into
las
vegas
and
and
a
lot
of
our
our
guests
are
coming
into
las
vegas.
A
lot
of
our
guests
come
to
las
vegas
from
california.
If
you
have
the
urban
charging
depot,
I
mean.
C
Excuse
me
the
interstate
corridor
charging
depots,
and
then
you
have
charging
opportunities
in
the
resort
corridors.
C
If
you
could
charge
your
electric
vehicle
at
work,
then
you
don't
necessarily
even
need
to
have
a
charging
station
at
or
near
your
home,
and
so
that's
that's
as
somebody
who
who's
who's
tried
to
live
this
and
and
experiment
with
it
and
see
where
the
shortfalls
are
in
our
state.
I
think
that's
about
the
number
one
way
we
can
help
folks
have
access
to
electric
vehicles,
and
so
what
we
do
is
we
within
that
hundred
million
dollar
investment
it
directs.
C
40
of
that
must
be
invested
in
historically
underserved
communities
to
the
benefit
of
historically
underserved
communities,
and
that
is
to
to
do
two
things.
It's
it's
to
it's
to
really
try
to
address
the
issue
of
the
disproportional
negative
impacts
that
those
communities
have
experienced
from
both
climate
change
and
also
and
more
immediate,
their
health.
C
The
health
problems
associated
with
some
of
the
historically
underserved
communities
and
and
the
pollution
that
we
have
in
our
valleys
and
then
it
also
the
second
thing
that
it
does
is
it
tries
to
make
economic
opportunities
available
and
and
whether
it
be
through
low-cost
charging
or
having
access
to
to
charging
at
their
home
or
place
of
work
to
those
same
communities.
C
Time
and
again,
we
kind
of
see
those
communities
aren't
the
beneficiary
of
the
of
the
new
energy
economy
and
we're
trying
to
to
make
opportunities
exist
for
those
communities
by
or
by
by
directing
40
percent
of
all
funding
to
the
benefit
of
those
communities,
and
then
it
also
directs
20
of
the
investment
must
be
invested
in
the
outdoor
recreation
and
tourism
program,
which
is
again,
I
think
the
most
important
way
that
we
can
help
our
economy
recover
and
we
can
also
benefit
the
employees
and
visitors
and
into
our
resort
corridor.
C
The
second
piece
of
that
this
is
that
long
and
comprehensive
and
holistic
approach
to
planning
around
electrification
and
transportation,
and
then
one
of
the
other
components
of
this
bill
is
energy
efficiency.
Current
law
requires
that
five
percent
of
energy
efficiency,
an
energy
efficiency
plan
expenditures,
be
directed
to
programs
for
low-income
households.
C
What
this
does
is
this
doubles
that
amount
and
it
doubles
it
to
the
benefit
of
low-income
households,
but
also
these
historically
underserved
communities
that
we've
identified
and
defined
in
this
bill-
and
I
just
want
to
you
know-
give
a
shout
out
to
chispa
and
nrdc,
who
really
were
helpful
over
the
last
year
and
coming
up
with
definitions
and
and
applications
for
those
historically
underserved
communities
and
and
energy
efficiency
programs,
with
variable
incentive
levels
will
have
to
offer
higher
and
center
level
incentive
levels
for
low-income
households
again
trying
to
help
nevadans,
economically
and
and
through
the
health
and
and
and
climate
benefits
of
energy
efficiency,
help
the
the
communities
that
are
sometimes
left
behind
in
in
these
types
of
of
projects,
and
then
what
this
does
is
it
it
exp
it.
C
It
really
clarifies
and
expands
rooftop
solar
for
multi-unit
buildings,
specifically
in
in
the
intent,
the
intent
of
this
and
and
is
to
address
multi-family
housing,
specifically
low-income
and
senior
housing
and
I'll
use.
My
grandma
as
an
example
lives
in
a
senior
housing
in
in
north
las
vegas,
and
you
you
have
one
owner
of
a
of
a
large
senior
housing
or
or
low-income
housing
development,
and
it's
all
included
the
energy,
the
water
everything
comes
with
the
rent
and
in
that
particular
application.
C
We
want
to
be
able
to
be
have
solar
on
the
roofs
or
parking
structures
in
my
grandma's
case
of
that
type
of
a
building,
so
that
that
folks,
who
not
only
do
they
not
own
their
own
place,
they
don't
even
have
their
own
power
bill,
but
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
get
the
benefit
of
on-site
renewable
energy
generation
and
also
the
economic
benefits
that
that
come
with.
That
would
be
directly
passed
on
to
those
those
tenants
and
then
one
of
the
other
components
of
this
bill
is
resource
planning
to
reduce
carbon
emissions.
C
We're
all
very
in
this
legislature
very
familiar
with
the
renewable
portfolio
standard,
which
is
a
mandate
that
we
make
a
certain
amount
of
our
electricity
from
a
certain
type
clean
energy.
Well,
I
think
we
are
moving
beyond
that
as
a
as
a
state
and
and
really
as
a
as
a
energy
sector
and
we're
moving
towards
a
zero
carbon
future,
and
how
do
we
get
to
a
zero
carbon
future?
Well,
a
zero
carbon
future
takes
a
long
term
plan
and
we
need
to
start
making
that
plan.
Now.
C
We've
done
amazing
things,
and,
and
this
graph
up
there
will
show
you.
If
you
look
at
the
co2
emissions
reduction,
which
is,
is
the
biggest
contributor
to
carbon
in
the
electricity
sector.
Look
at
those
co2
emission
reductions
all
while
our
population
has
grown.
That
is
a
result
right
there
of
the
rps
policies
put
in
place
as
well
as
and
probably
even
more
importantly,
the
falling
costs
of
renewable
energy.
Renewable
energy
is
now
the
cheapest
energy,
and
so
all
of
those
things
make
sense.
C
But
now
we
have
to
figure
out
how
do
we
get
to
where
we
want
to
go?
We
want
to
get
to
a
zero
carbon
electrical
electricity
world
and
it
takes
a
little
bit
more
planning
than
just
the
rps,
and
so
the
rps
was
a
great
tool
to
get
us
to
where
we're
at,
and
the
next
level
is
to
start
putting
in
plans
on
how
we
get
to
zero
carbon
and
sometimes
that
that
means
transmission.
Sometimes
that
means
storage.
C
Sometimes
that
means
entering
into
a
regional
market,
and
sometimes
that
means
electric
electrification
of
the
transportation
sector.
All
of
those
things
help
us
drive
down
the
cost
of
electricity
and
access
our
zero
carbon
future.
C
And
then
this
is
probably
my
favorite
slide
in
this
entire
deck.
You
take
a
look
at
the
the
increased
use
of
of
renewable
energy
and
the
the
reduction
in
carbon
and
overlaid
with
the
the
average
rate,
and
so
as
as
the
reduction
in
carbon
and
the
the
generation
of
renewable
energy
grows,
the
cost
of
electricity
has
fallen,
and
this
is
this
is
you
know
somebody
who's
been
coming
in
this
building
20
years
preaching
this
and
and
and
had
three
sessions
under
my
belt,
just
really
trying
to
push
this
policy.
C
It
is
good
to
see
that.
Well,
it's
good
to
say
I
told
you
so
because
there
were
so
many
people
that
continue
to
say
to
adopt
these
policies
just
raises
prices
that
this
could
not
be
further
from
the
truth,
and
so
this
slide
right
here
is
probably
my
favorite
slide.
I
think
I
will
blow
it
up
and
hang
it
on
my
wall
and-
and
so
this
is
really
how
these
all
come
together.
C
When
we
talk
about
when
we
look
at
kind
of
the
the
plan
that
that,
based
on
the
laws
that
currently
exist
and
the
requirements
that
we
currently
have
for
our
utilities
in
this
state,
when
we
look
at
what
that
that
carbon
reduction
model
looks
like
not
only
is
it
not
enough
to
get
us
to
the
goals
that
we
have
set
for
ourselves
as
a
state
and
as
a
nation
and
and
and
largely
as
as
a
planet,
it
is,
it
could
be
far
better
and
that's
why
we
need
to
go
from
our
current
kind
of
way
of
look
at
resource
planning
and
renewable
portfolio
standard
and
take
a
more
holistic
approach
at
carbon
reduction
planning
for
the
electricity
sector.
C
And
one
of
the
other
opportunities
we
have
here
in
the
state-
and
I
I
spoke
to
it
earlier-
but
about
lithium,
for
instance-
and
but
there's
storage
comes
in
a
lot
of
different
ways:
storage
comes
and
lithium,
it
comes
in
mechanical
storage,
it
comes
from
pumped
hydro,
it
comes
in,
and
hydrogen
there's
a
lot
of
ways
to
store
energy,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
encouraging
all
of
those
ways
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
we
could
be
again
the
leader
in
energy
storage
here
in
the
state
and
and
one
and
we
want
to
one
of
the
ways
we
want
to
incentivize,
that
is
by
making
changing
our
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
program.
C
To
clarify
that
some
of
these
large
storage
projects
that
are
that
are
coupled
with
or
facilitate
renewable
energy
generation
are
part
of
that
renewable
energy
tax
abatement,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
here
in
the
bill
and
then
the
the
last
economic
development
piece
in
this
bill,
and
this
bill
really
is
an
economic
development
bill.
We
can
reach
our
climate
reduction
goals,
but
we
can
do
it
while
we're
develop
economic.
C
Developing
the
economy
is
reopening
the
economic
development
electric
rate
writer
program,
and
this
is
for
new
load
in
southern
nevada,
and
so
we've
had
this
available
for
years,
and
we
used
it
you're,
probably
most
familiar
with
how
we
used
it
up
here
up
north
and
how
we
wanted
to
make
it
available
down
south
and
then
that
that
statue
just
ran
out,
and
we
have
all
kinds
of
companies
that
want
to
come
to
southern
nevada,
and
that
would
be
electricity,
intensive
companies.
And
what
this
does
is.
C
The
and
the
last
thing
that
we
have
in
this
bill
or
what
I
consider
to
be
regulatory
kind
of
cleanups
and
one
is
the
disposition
of
generation
assets,
and
this
goes.
This
goes
way
back
to
the
the
the
when,
when
sierra
pacific
power,
company
and
nv
energy
and
and
and
then
excuse
me,
nevada
power
came
together
doing
business
as
nv
energy.
This,
the
merger
has
some
language
that
needs
to
be
cleaned
up.
That
would
that
would
clarify
some
issues
and
then,
and
then
the
last
one
is,
if
we're
going
to.
C
And
that
is
the
bill
in
a
nutshell,
and
so
with
that,
I
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
with
the
chairs
indulgence
mr
doug
cannon
from
envy
energy
and
for
a
few
brief
remarks
and
and
and
mr
cannon
you're
willing
to
access
any
of
these
slides
that
bob
could
could
tee
up.
For
you
and
then
after
that
will
be
director
bobsien,
so
I'm
gonna
step
away
and
let
mr
cannon
have
a
seat.
D
Good
afternoon,
chair
harris,
doug
cannon
c-a-n-n-o-n
honored
to
be
here
today,
and
I
appreciate
the
committee
and
the
chair
taking
a
few
minutes
to
visit
about
what
is
an
important
piece
of
legislation
for
nevada.
D
As
I
introduced
myself
before,
I'm
doug
cannon
president
and
ceo
of
nv
energy
and
appreciate
the
invitation
from
senator
brooks
and
others
today
to
testify
on
senate
bill
448..
This
bill
really
does
continue.
The
legacy
that
began
before
as
senator
brooks
talked
about,
in
particular
back
in
2019
a
legacy
where
the
new
energy
economy
started
to
take
root
and
where
we
started
to
really
develop
nevada's
renewable
energy
potential
focus
on
reducing
carbon
and
focused
on
creating
jobs
and
driving
economic
diversification
in
our
state.
D
The
timing
could
not
be
more
succinct
here,
with
the
effects
of
covid19
still
challenging
all
of
our
communities
and
the
opportunity
that
lies
ahead
to
create
jobs
and
further
diversify
our
economy.
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
bringing
this
important
piece
of
legislation
forward.
I
also
want
to
thank
governor
sisselak
and
director
bob
zine
and
all
of
the
stakeholders
who
have
provided
input
on
this
bill
and
for
their
leadership
on
carbon
reduction,
renewable
energy
development
and
job
creation.
D
D
We
can
produce
energy
in
a
lot
of
places
in
nevada,
but
that
doesn't
do
us
any
good
if
we
can't
get
that
energy
from
where
it's
produced
to
where
it's
util
needs
to
be
utilized
and
transmission
becomes
the
backbone
that
is
necessary
to
fully
utilize
that
energy.
Earlier
this
year,
the
public
utilities
commission
of
nevada
did
approve
the
first
segment
of
what
we
call
the
green
link
nevada
transmission
project.
That's
the
map
that
you
see
up
on
the
screen
right
now.
You
can
see
it
consists
of
actually
five
different
segments
of
transmission
lines.
D
The
public
utilities
commission
of
nevada,
approved
construction
design,
full
development
of
what
we
refer
to
as
green
link.
West,
that's
a
line
that
goes
from
las
vegas
up
to
yerrington
up
the
west
side
of
the
state
of
nevada,
the
then.
In
addition,
there
are
two
lines
that
run
from
yerrington
and
one
runs
over
in
to
the
innovation
park
or
or
the
tahoe
reno
industrial
center,
and
then
another
runs
over
into
reno
to
actually
get
that
energy
to
where
the
loads
are
now.
D
In
addition,
greenlink
nevada
also
consists
of
what
we
call
green
link
north,
which
is
a
line
that
runs
from
ely
across
kind
of
the
center
of
the
state
over
to
yarrington
as
well.
That
particular
line
segment
was
not
approved
for
construction
that
was
approved
for
some
preliminary
design
and
preliminary
planning,
but
again
not
construction.
D
It
ultimately
takes
this
whole
suite
of
lines
to
make
the
triangle
that
you
see
up
on
the
the
screen
to
create
the
transmission
network.
That's
really
needed
to
unlock
the
opportunities
that
we
see
in
our
in
our
state
and
in
front
of
us.
What
would
the
com,
the
completion
of
green
link
do
for
our
state?
D
D
Greenlink
nevada
adds
much-needed
transmission
import
capacity
into
northern
nevada,
which
is
necessary
to
accommodate
more
than
1400
megawatts
of
load
that
has
signed
up
to
come
to
nevada
and
needs
that
that
transmission
capacity
in
order
to
meet
their
needs.
That's
that's
exciting
that
1400
megawatts
represents
significant
business
development
in
our
state,
significant
employment
opportunity
in
this
state,
and
those
are
contracts
that
we
have
signed.
Those
are
not
just
theoretical
customers
coming
to
our
state
and
it
allows
these
employers
to
come
to
our
state
and
achieve
these
objectives
in
a
carbon-free
way,
utilizing
nevada's
renewable
resources.
D
These
projects
also
facilitate
nevada's
long-held
vision
to
leverage
the
state's
renewable
energy
resources
to
not
only
meet
the
needs
of
nevadans,
but
to
also
create
opportunities
for
revenue
by
exporting
this
energy
and
creating
jobs
by
exporting
the
energy
to
surrounding
states
through
the
increased
transfer
capability
that
will
be
created
by
greenlink.
In
addition,
as
mentioned
by
senator
brooks,
it
increases
our
ability
to
participate
in
the
energy
imbalance
market,
which
further
brings
benefits
to
nevadans.
I
will
mention
any
benefits
that
are
received
by
nv
energy
participating
in
the
energy
imbalance.
D
Market
go
100
percent
to
our
customers.
Nv
energy
does
not
keep
any
of
those
benefits
as
profit,
and
so
every
dollar
that
we
can
save
by
participating
in
the
energy
and
balance
market
is
another
dollar
that
our
customers
save
off
of
their
energy
rates.
As
pointed
out
by
senator,
brooks
the
green
link.
Nevada
transmission
project
is
about
a
2.5
billion
dollar
investment
in
nevada.
D
D
D
D
The
capital
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
even
a
smaller
number
than
that.
We
expect
this
to
unlock
significant
renewable
energy
opportunities.
Those
lower
customers
cost.
Today,
as
senator
brooks
indicated,
we
also
believe
and
have
seen
that
this
will
unlock
the
opportunity
to
utilize
market
resources
throughout
the
region,
which
will
also
help
reduce
our
customers
rates.
D
Thus,
customers
have
assurance
that
nv
energy
is
being
closely
watched
and
regulated
as
it
develops
these
projects,
greenlink
nevada
will
bring
to
nevada,
lower
cost.
Renewable
energy
resources
will
open
up
new
energy
markets
to
nevada,
to
access,
lower
cost
resources
and
will
allow
nv
energy
to
manage
its
energy
portfolio
in
a
more
cost,
effective
and
reliable
way.
All
benefits
that
reduce
overall
costs
for
our
energy
customers
throughout
this
state.
D
Another
important
section
of
today's
legislation
addresses
the
electrification
of
the
transportation
sector
to
meet
the
climate
objectives
of
nevada
and
specifically
reduce
carbon
in
the
transportation
sector.
The
role
of
the
electric
utility
must
expand
to
accelerate
transportation
electrification.
Today,
tailpipe
emissions
are
the
largest
source
of
carbon
in
nevada
and
nv.
Energy
has
long
supported,
cleaner
transportation
opportunities,
the
transportation,
electrification
economic
recovery
package-
that's
included
in
this
legislation,
authorizes
up
to
a
hundred
million
dollars
of
clean
energy
infrastructure,
investment
in
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
and
other
infrastructure
over
the
next
three
years.
D
D
D
C
And
chair
harris,
if
I
could
have
director
bob
cnn
from
the
governor's
office
of
energy,
go
and
provide
a
few
words
of
testimony.
E
E
Now
that
you've
heard
the
bill
presentation,
I'd
like
to
highlight
particular
areas
of
support
for
the
administration
in
alignment
with
the
nevada
climate
strategy,
as
senator
brooks
mentioned
in
december
of
2019
governor
sysolak
joined,
convening
with
other
governors
to
discuss
the
future
of
the
western
grid,
with
a
focus
on
price
stability
and
reliability
for
customers,
economic
opportunity
and
increased
adoption
of
renewable
energy
all
while
facing
the
pressures
and
impacts
of
a
changing
climate
in
the
west,
that
convening
of
governors
from
states
as
diverse
as
idaho,
colorado,
oregon,
arizona,
wyoming
and
others
has
evolved
into
the
western
interconnection,
regional
electricity
dialogue
or
wired
initiative,
and
consists
of
governors,
energy
advisors
and
utility
representatives,
developing
recommendations
on
number
one
resource
adequacy,
two
transmission
planning,
and
I'm
the
co-chair
of
that
of
that
particular
group
and
number
three
greenhouse
gas,
accounting
and
state
clean
energy
standards.
E
So
the
timing
of
this
legislation
couldn't
be
better,
as
the
state's
current
engagements
in
regional
dialogues
will
provide
plenty
of
inputs
for
further
exploration
by
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force.
Goe
looks
forward
to
supporting
the
task
force
and
has
a
history
of
providing
such
support
to
other
similar
efforts.
E
Expanding
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
program
to
include
storage
is
a
logical
next
step
in
nevada's
long
history
of
policies,
supportive
of
growing
the
clean
energy
economy
for
reference,
goe
approved
its
first
solar
plus
storage,
rita
project
in
january
of
of
this
year,
with
the
identification
of
storage
as
a
critical
technology
for
nevada
to
meet
its
zero
carbon
emission
goals
in
the
power
sector,
goe
expects
to
see
additional
applications
that
will
include
storage.
E
I
next
want
to
turn
to
transportation.
Electrification
senator
brooks
is
certainly
the
most
powerful
advocate
for
the
need
and
the
opportunity
around
transportation
electrification
and
we
look
forward
to
participating
in
the
development
of
the
plans.
E
I
want
to
particularly
highlight
section
39
3c,
which
is
the
public
agency
electric
vehicle
charging
program,
and
that
requires
the
utility
to
collaborate
with
the
departments
of
administration,
conservation
and
natural
resources,
transportation
and
goe
in
developing
the
program.
I'm
pleased
to
support
pleased
to
report
that
these
agencies
are
already
discussing
with
mb
energy,
their
plans
for
this
program
and
and
others.
So
this
collaboration
will
be
enormously
helpful
in
the
ultimate
success
in
the
plan
and
those
investments,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
maximizing
any
additional
infrastructure
support
that
may
came.
E
For
front-line
communities
by
ensuring
not
that
not
less
than
40
percent
of
this
bills
of
the
bill's
te
plan
be
dedicated
to
investments
made
in
or
for
the
benefits
of
historically
underserved
community
communities.
Sb
448
expands
opportunities
to
access
the
ev
market
for
all
nevadans,
and
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
thank
you,
chair
harris
and
members
of
the
committee.
That
concludes
my
remarks.
C
And
chair
harris,
if
I
may,
we
have
director
brown
and
mr
potts
from
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
and
provide
a
few
words
director.
F
Senator
thank
you.
Senator
michael
brown,
I'm
executive
director
of
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
in
the
governor's
state
of
the
state
speech.
He
said
he
would
work
with
senator,
brooks
to
bring
landmark
legislation
to
pass
a
bold
and
urge
the
legislature
to
pass
a
bold
energy
bill
to
solidify
our
competitive
position
in
the
transmission,
storage
and
distribution
of
energy.
F
F
We
were
suffering
from
the
california
energy
crisis,
triggered
by
the
enron,
speculation
and
nevada
legislators
in
a
bipartisan
way.
F
Senator
townsend
and
majority
leader
buckley
came
together
to
fashion
energy
legislation
that
stabilized
our
markets
and
set
the
pathway
for
a
renewable
new
economy,
and-
and
we
can't
have
a
hearing
like
this
without
mentioning
rose,
mckinney
james
and
the
key
role
she
played
in
putting
solar
on
the
agenda
at
that
time,
and
I
was
there-
and
I
remember
at
the
time
we
thought
it
was
going
to
be
wind
and
rose,
was
right
and,
like
I
say
they
came
together
in
that
crisis
and
enacted
this
and
stabilized
us.
F
Today's
wall
street
journal
has
a
very
interesting
article
in
it.
It
says
that
for
the
first
time,
renewable
energy
and
renewable
energy
storage
is
actually
becoming
more
competitive
than
natural
gas.
This
entire
storage
industry,
which
lithium
is
a
base
of,
is
for,
is
coming
together
and
it's
coming
together
here
in
nevada.
This
landmark
legislation
that
senator
brooks
has
brought
448.
I
think
448
will
be
one
of
those
bill
numbers
that
leads
on
lives
on
beyond
legislative
sessions.
F
F
F
American
manufacturing
is
in
a
bit
of
a
reshuffle
they're
looking
at
re
in
the
post-pandemic
period,
they're
looking
at
reshuffling
operations,
reshoring
operations
from
overseas
they're,
looking
at
reshuffling
operations
in
the
united
states
to
sort
out
their
supply
chain
issues
and
e-commerce
issues
that
developed
in
the
pandemic
and
we're
meeting
with
them.
Along
with
our
regional
economic
development
directors.
Nevada
is
an
attractive
prospect
for
them
because
of
our
pacific
time,
zone,
location
and
and
because
of
a
ready
and
hard-working
labor
force.
F
That
wants
are
looking
for
those
kinds
of
jobs,
but
we
also
have
an
advantage
in
energy
and
for
the
first
time
I
can.
We
sat
with
a
manufacturer
from
the
midwest
a
few
weeks
ago
and
they
looked
at
us
and
the
first
question
they
had
for
us.
Was
they
wanted
to
talk
about
renewable
energy?
They
wanted
to
know
how
we
were
producing
it,
how
it
was
transmitted,
what
the
prices
were.
That's
that's
a
game.
F
Changer
we've,
not
we've
not
had
that
before,
and-
and
so
this
is,
this
is
really
an
opportunity
to
help
build
and
diversify
the
nevada
economy.
The
sri
plan,
which
is
an
independent
assessment
done
for
goebb
by
sri
international
on
resiliency
and
recovery
in
nevada,
recommended
that
we
take
every
step.
We
could
to
solidify
our
position
as
a
leader
in
renewable
energy
as
a
leader
in
in
this
sustainable
energy
storage
area.
So
we
would
urge
enactment
of
this
legislation
we're
pleased
to
see
that
the
energy
rider
has
been
provided
for
it.
F
That
will
help
us
incentivize
companies
to
come
to
the
state.
My
my
good
colleague,
bob
potts
will
walk
through
some
of
the
economic
numbers
associated
with
this
legislation,
and
thank
you
for
for
having
me
today.
G
Thank
you,
director
brown
and
thank
you
chair,
harrison
members
of
the
senate
committee
on
girls
and
infrastructure.
It's
really
great
to
be
here
to
with
the
opportunity
to
testify
in
support
of
sb
448
for
the
record.
G
My
name
is
bob
watson,
I'm
the
deputy
director
in
the
north
of
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development,
and
I
would
like
to
first
I'm
going
to
talk
about
a
couple
things
talk
about
the
economic
opportunities
of
the
greenlink
project
and
then
provide
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
the
current
business
development
activities,
outlining
the
importance
of
this
project
to
economic
development
and
diversification
in
our
state.
I
will
keep
my
comments
short,
but
I
just
want
to
re-emphasize
a
couple
of
the
numbers
that
were
brought
out
earlier
in
in
this
meeting.
G
These
a
lot
of
these
were
provided
by
my
fellow
economists
and
our
advisors
over
to
applied
analysis.
I've
worked
with
those
folks
over
gosh
two
three
decades
now,
on
all
sorts
of
economic
impact,
analysis
trust
their
work.
They
do
great
work,
and
I
want
to
talk
about
those
a
little
bit
about
the
economic
impact
of
this
green
link
project
over
the
construction
period
of
the
transmission
infrastructure.
G
During
this
12-year
construction
period,
the
project
is
expected
to
generate
690
million
in
economic
activity
and
support
over
3
700
person-year
jobs.
During
this
construction
period,
those
jobs
are
going
to
pay
over
406
million
and
wages
and
salaries
and
all
of
those
dollars
get
spun
off
back
into
the
economy
again.
G
The
construction
phase,
if
you
just
look
at
the
construction
phase,
that
pencils
out
to
over
a
dollar
44
return
on
investment,
so
every
dollar
that's
invested
in
this
returns
a
dollar
44
on
the
initial
investment
that
nevada
makes
in
this
project.
That
does
not
take
into
account
some
of
the
things
that
mr
cannon
was
talking
about.
G
Things
like
export-based
selling,
energy
energy
imbalance
and
being
able
to
manage
those
those
kind
of
things,
and
it
does
not
include
the
indirect
and
induced
spin-out
effects
that
are
expected
to
add
an
additional
211
million
in
economic
activity
through
the
project's
development
cycle,
we're
not
even
talking
about
export-based
or
energy
imbalance.
That
brings
the
roi
up
to
1.88.
G
Okay,
so
for
every
dollar
invested,
a
dollar
88
comes
back,
but
from
economic
development's
perspective
and
what
we've
seen
with
nevada's
economy,
and
particularly
the
how
hard
southern
nevada
got
hit
during
this
last
pandemic
and
the
economic
downturn
as
a
result
of
this
health
crisis
that
we
went
through,
it's
become
more
and
more
apparent
how
we
need
to
re-tool
and
diversify
our
economy,
get
us
out
of
the
cyclical
cycle
that
we
continue
to
find
ourselves
in.
We
have
a
very
strong
pipeline
and
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
state,
particularly
in
southern
nevada.
G
If
I
look
back
at
our
last
two
go
at
abatement
approval
meetings,
80
to
90
of
the
companies
that
that
approached
us
were
manufacturers.
Manufacturers
are
high
energy
use
operations,
and
these
are
the
folks
that
are
going
to
come
here
and
to
give
us
the
competitive
edge
against
our
competing
states
and
other
regions
in
the
country.
G
This
adds
a
huge
value
to
what
we
can
do,
especially
when
it's
like
director
brown
was
talking
about.
One
of
the
first
questions
that
come
out
of
their
mind
is
out
of
their
mouths.
Is
what
does
nevada's
energy
portfolio
renewable
portfolio?
Look
like
it
matters
to
companies
right,
and
we
have
a
huge
interest
right
now
in
the
manufacturing
sector
in
our
state.
If
I
look
at
our
business
pipeline
activity-
and
I
look
at
active
projects
in
the
state-
we
currently
have
19
active
projects.
14
of
those
are
75.
G
Percent
of
them
are
manufacturers,
five
of
which
are
ev
related
okay.
So
it's
this
very
tight
linkage
to
everything
that
we're
talking
about
here.
16
of
the
19
or
86
percent
of
them
are
in
clark
county.
In
total.
These
projects
are
estimated
to
bring
on
over
12
500
jobs
at
or
above
the
state
average
wage
and
9.7
billion
dollars
in
capital
investment.
Okay,
huge
now
will
all
of
these
projects
happen.
G
No,
but
everything
we
can
do
to
make
them
happen,
makes
all
the
difference
in
the
world
and
and
and
addressing
what
we
want
to
be
like
going
forward
and
diversifying
our
economy.
We
also
track
the
number
of
projects
that
are
currently
on
holds.
We
have
a
lot
of
companies
that
are
still
working
through
their
projects
where
they
want
to
go
they're.
G
G
These
projects
are
estimated
to
bring
on
8
400
jobs
and
an
average
wage
of
over
25
an
hour
and
bring
in
well
over
1.9
billion
in
capital
investment,
and
I
know
that
capex
number
is
low
because,
because
these
are
the
on
hold
projects,
they're
trying
to
figure
this
out
what
they
need
for
real
estate
equipment.
So
that's
a
very
conservative
number
going
there.
So
again,
I
want
to
emphasize
what
director
brown
had
mentioned
a
little
bit
earlier
of
these
19
active
projects
and
in
particular
the
manufacturers.
G
G
C
Thank
you,
chair
harris
for,
for
allowing
us
to
make
this
lengthy
presentation
and
with
that
we
can
open
up
for
questions
and
with
me
today
is
as
bob
johnston
who
I've
worked
with
for
many
many
years
and
who's
been
an
expert
in
this
space
for
for
much
much
longer
than
that,
and
recently
was
able
to
join
me
and,
and
is
the
architect
behind
a
lot
of
the
language.
That's
in
this
bill
and
has
been
working
with
me
for
the
last
six
months
on
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
have
a
few
questions,
but
I'll
save
mine
for
for
last
senator
hammond.
H
Thank
you
chair
now.
I
really
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
few
questions.
I
the
bill's,
pretty
big.
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
until
mr
brown
said.
You
know
that
this
is
bold
and
it
is
bold.
I
lament
that
it's
you
know
we're
14
days
away
from
the
end
of
session.
Where
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
I
really
wanted
to
dig
in
at
the
beginning
and
kind
of
get
into
it.
H
I
know
some
of
it
was
out
of
your
hands,
but
it
you
know,
because
it's
so
large
and
it
is
so
bold
there's
a
lot
of
people
who've
been
calling
me
up
since
the
language
came
out
with
a
lot
of
questions.
Some
of
the
questions
way
out
there,
perhaps
weren't,
really
digging
into
the
real
root
of
what
you're
trying
to
get
at
so
I'll.
Try
and
I'll
ask
if
just
a
couple
questions,
because
I
know
some
other
people
are
going
to
ask
as
well,
but
I
really
want
to
get
to.
H
I
think
the
portion
of
the
bill
that
deals
with
the
puc
and
especially
with
the
the
green
link
in
the
bill.
It
talks
a
bit
a
little
bit
about
going
to
the
puc
and
saying
hey
when,
when
you
have
a
request
and
request,
you
know
check
marks
this
this
this
and
this
you
know
as
long
as
it
hits
those
marks
you
have
to
approve
it.
Can
you
kind
of
go
through
it?
So
people
understand
a
little
bit
more.
Even
even.
H
We
allow
them
to
sort
of
have
that
autonomy
to
deal
with
the
the
subject
matter
that
they're
good
at
I'm
sure
it's
gonna
probably
dovetail
into
the
rate
payers,
and
I
know
you
already
referenced
your
and
you
don't
have
them
numbered,
but
so
I
don't
know
how
to
refer
to
it
other
than
the
fact
that
your
favorite
slide
in
your
deck
they'll
probably
dovetail
back
into
that
and
what
savings
there
is.
I
think
it's
important
to
probably
reiterate
that
to
everybody.
H
C
Thank
you,
senator
hammond,
and,
and
if
chair
through
you
to
senator,
you
can
go
to
our
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
it
it
it's.
I
first
want
to
start
with
saying
that
we
work
very
closely
with
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
with
the
public
utilities
commission,
with
the
electric
utility
and
the
energy,
with
environmental
and
and
economic
and
or
social
and
environmental
justice
groups
and
conservation
groups
and
and
and
folks
in
the
energy
industry
over
over
the
last
year.
C
This
is
a
bill
that
that
that
largely
was
came
into
existence
summer
of
last
year,
and
we
worked
very
closely
with
them,
including
the
public
utilities
commission,
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
were
addressing
the
right
balance
of
policy
initiative
and
rate
payer
protection,
and,
and
so
the
reason
that
that
this
bill
is
maybe
a
little
more
prescriptive
than
than
you.
You
would
generally
see
in
a
piece
of
legislation
on
something
that
that
you're
right
usually
is
a
plan,
that's
proposed,
and
then
it's
debated
and
and
in
front
of
the
public
utilities.
C
If
we
build
these,
these
do
these
things,
but
the
the
regulator,
the
public
utilities
commission
that
is
not
their
job
to
to
they
are
not
in
the
economic
development
business
they
are
not.
They
are
in
the
keep
rates,
low,
keep
the
lights
on
and
make
sure
that
the
the
utility,
when
they
make
an
investment,
does
it
in
the
most
prudent
fashion
possible.
They
aren't,
they
don't
have
it
within
their
ability
to
to
contemplate
what
the
economic
benefit
is
outside
of
just
keeping
the
lights
on,
and
so
this,
so
the
regulator.
C
They
they
don't
have
the
ability
and
their
their
their
charter
to
be
able
to
contemplate
those
things
and
and
analyze
that,
and
so
that's
why
this
is
a
policy
decision
for
the
state
of
nevada
that
we
want
to
do
these
things,
to
lay
the
groundwork
for
things
well
beyond:
just
keeping
the
lights
on
and
and
being
able
to
reliably
provide
electricity
and
that's
what
really
they're
there
to
regulate.
C
And
so
that's
why
this
does
make
those
directions
and
but
at
the
same
time,
gives
the
the
commission
all
of
the
tools
necessary
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
utility
does
these
things
that
we're
directing
them
to
do
they're
doing
it
in
the
absolute
most
cost
effective
manner
possible.
H
Hey
so,
if
I
could
senator
you
know
a
lot
of
it
comes
back
to
sort
of
a
bureaucratic
model.
You
know
we
give
an
agency
a
parameter
to
work
in
we
say
this
is
you
know
this
is
your
box?
They
get
really
good
at
it.
I'm
not
going
to
be
derogatory
towards
bureaucratic
agencies.
I
mean
that's,
you
know
max
weber,
talks
about
it
a
lot.
He
says
that
we
build
inefficiencies
when
we
tell
them.
This
is
exactly
how
to
do
your
job,
and
so
we
give
them
that
the
parameter.
H
But
what
you're
saying
is
this?
This
is
kind
of
one
of
those
instances
where
we,
as
the
legislature
are
directing
a
sort
of
policy
change
and
we
sort
of
have
to
give
them
direction
because
you're
going
to
we're
asking
them
to
work
outside
their
box
and
and
so
that
way
we
can
actually
institute
these
these
new
changes,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is,
and
I
think
you've
said
it
once
and
it's
all
right
to
reiterate
it
it
by
giving
them
the
new
direction.
H
You
believe
that
this
bill
and
the
green
link
and
the
jobs
and
the
the
flow
of
energy
through
our
state
and
the
new
structure
of
our
energy
economy
warrants
that
this
is
not
you're.
Basically
saying
this
is
a
policy
decision
and
it
actually
is
going
to
lower
the
rates.
Eventually,
as
you
described
in
your
favorite,
your
favorite
slide.
Am
I
correct
in
saying
that.
C
Yes,
I
I
think
you've
described
it
perfectly
and
and
that
that
is,
is
the
intent
of
the
bill
and
and
but
it's
not
necessarily
in
in
the
wheelhouse
or
in
the
responsibility,
more
than
anything,
of
the
public
utilities
commission
to
even
contemplate
what
private
investment
in
the
state
would
look
like.
If
we
built
a
transmission
line,
does
it
do
we
need
to
build
it
tomorrow
to
keep
the
lights
on
today?
That
is,
that
is
their
job,
and
and
if
so,
how
can
you
do
it
in
the
lowest
cost
possible?
C
That
is
their
job,
and
this
goes
well
beyond
that,
because
this
lays
out
some
groundwork
for
economic
development
for
our
state.
H
Thank
you.
I
think
that
it's
good
for
the
record
right
now
and
so
I'll.
Ask
one
more
question,
then
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair,
because
I
know
other
people
probably
want
to
ask
on
the
committee.
It
has
been
mentioned
and
I
could
go
a
lot
of
different
directions.
I
have
lot
of
thoughts
here
again
14
days
out
bold,
a
lot
of
stuff
in
here
we
could
go
on
and
on
so
you
talk
about
storage
that
and
that
that
this
is
probably
the
one
part
of
the
bill.
H
That
is
really
not
in
my
wheelhouse.
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
this.
I
just
know
what
I
keep
hearing
and
we
keep
seeing
stories
come
up
about
safety
issues
when
we
talk
about
battery
storage-
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
an
idea
where
we
are
with
battery
storage,
the
the
the
energy
storage
in
batteries.
I
suppose,
where
are
we
with
that?
And
can
you
kind
of
highlight
a
bit
about
the
the
safety
concerns
are
out
there,
and
so
what
are
we
doing?
What?
What?
H
What
are
we
contemplating
to
try
and
mitigate
those
possible
things?
And
perhaps
you
need
to
phone
a
friend
in
in
in
the
industry
to
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
going
on
with
that
storage,
if
you,
you
know
I'll,
just
stop
right
there
and
let
you
answer.
C
Sure
and
so
sections
three
through
eight
of
the
bill
deal
with
all
of
the
aspects
of
storage
and
currently
in
statute.
There
is
definition
for
of
for
energy
storage
and
it's
it's
the
storage
of
energy,
it's
not
necessarily
the
storage
of
electricity
and
it's
and
it's
it's
neutral.
It's
it's
agnostic
to
the
technology,
and
so
we
want
to
without
you
know,
knowing
what
the
future
holds.
C
So
we
stay
agnostic
in
this
bill
and
then
current
statute
to
what
type
of
energy
storage,
because
there's
there's
all
types
right
now,
the
most
common
is
lithium
any
type
of
lithium
battery
and
that
stores
energy
in
a
a
chemical
electrical
way.
And
that's
what
you
know
is
in
your
is
in
this
computer.
It's
it's
watching!
Your
your
phone
in
your
pocket,
it's
it's
what's
in
electric
vehicles,
but
it's
also
very
prevalent
in
large-scale
utility
energy
storage.
C
But
there
are
a
lot
of
other
technologies
as
well
and
whenever
you're,
storing
a
large
amount
of
energy,
that
safety
has
to
be
paramount,
and
and
we've
heard
that
through
a
few
different
bills
in
this
legislative
session,
and
you
want
qualified
people
and
qualified
companies
doing
that
work
and
you
want
to
make
sure
training
is
available
to
them,
and
so
I
I
feel
comfortable
with
it,
with
proper
training
and
the
properly
qualified
individuals
and
qualified
companies
that
we
can
safely
do
this
work.
C
But
this
this
particular
bill
is
is,
like
I
said,
does
not
speak
to
the
technology.
It
just
speaks
to
storage,
as
it
currently
exists
in
statute.
H
Okay,
so
apparently
I
need
to
go
to
others
as
well
and
find
out
where
we
are,
as
far
as
I
might
be
concerned
would
be
safety
as
you're
as
you're
trying
to
use
it
more
and
you're
trying
to
store
more
energy
in
batteries.
I
just
want
to
know
more
about
that,
and
I
could
take
that
offline
and
find
out
from
those
who
who
do
it.
H
That's
fine
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair
and
you
can
make
you
can
comment
on
that
if
you
want,
but
it's
not
really
a
question
I'll
just
do
an
offline
chair.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
agree
I
mean
this
is.
I
Sorry
this
was
a
lot
to
digest,
but
let
me
ask
just
one
kind
of
general
question:
then
I've
got
three
or
four
specific
questions.
You
mentioned
national
security
and
how
our
current
transmission
system
it
is
risky.
I
remember
sitting
through
the
briefings
with
the
admiral
on
this
with
you,
so
we've
been.
I
C
Thank
you
for
the
question,
senator
pickard,
so
if
you
using
that
slide
as
an
example
and
then
I'll
go
to
the
500
kv
bulk
system
slide
right
now,
there
is
one
line
that
connects
northern
nevada
to
southern
nevada,
one
line
and,
and
then
out
of
northern
nevada
and
out
of
the
you
know,
I
think
it's
robinson
summit
substation
outside
of
ely.
C
C
If
you
lose
two
lines,
then
that
load
is
isolated,
but
this
increases
the
redundancy
tremendously
by
just
doing
that,
and-
and
that
is
really
the
redundancy
in
the
lines-
is
what
creates
the
resiliency
in
the
system
and
so
and
if,
if
you
look
at
that
triangle,
you
know
what's
right
in
the
middle
of
that
triangle,
one
of
the
the
biggest
national
security
resources
in
in
the
entire
world,
and
so
increasing
redundancy
in
this
in
this
area
would
be
great.
I
Sure-
and
you
know,
redundancy
is
one
way
to
secure
it.
Of
course,
one
of
the
things
that
the
admiral
discussed
was
the
fact
that,
since
most
of
our
transmission
is
open,
exposed
and
not
visible
from
you
know
anywhere.
That
itself
presents
a
a
problem
anyway,
but
redundancy
is
the
answer
and
I
realize
there's
no
silver
bullet.
I
I
J
Bob
johnston
policy
advisor
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
pickard
current
in
the
2017
session
as
part
of
sb
145,
the
legislature
authorized
nb
energy
to
create
a
demonstration
program
known
as
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
demonstration
program
and
they've.
That
program
is
continuing
on
as
we
speak,
there's
a
there's
a
case
pending
right
now,
before
the
public
utilities,
commission
limited
amount
of
funding,
it's
subject
to
the
overall
290
million.
I
believe
cap
under
new
renewable
programs
under
chapter
701b.
J
I
believe
it
is,
and
so
the
the
section
nine
and
ten
really
have
to
do
with
the
phase
out
of
the
of
the
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
demonstration
program
as
transportation
electrification
planning
becomes
part
of
the
resource
planning
at
the
utility.
So
it's
it's
not,
and
and
if
you
look
at
the
effective
dates
for
section
9
and
10
their
time,
so
that
that
program
will
phase
out
as
the
other
one
ramps
up.
I
Right-
and
I
appreciate
that-
that's
that
was
my
assumption,
because
we're
well
past
the
point
of
that.
I
was
here
when
we
established
that
I'm
just
wondering
it
just
the
disconnect
seemed
to
be
we're,
maintaining
the
requirement
for
the
commission
to
adopt
the
regulations,
but
then
we're
we're
only
eliminating
the
guidance
and
that
didn't
make
sense
to
me,
but
if
that's
probably,
if
that's
kept
merely
to
manage
the
phase
out,
that
makes
sense.
But
I
was
just
guessing
is
that
why
we're
keeping
that
in
place
bob.
J
Johnson
for
the
record,
yeah,
yes,
you're,
correct,
senator
pickard.
The
thought
is
is
that
first,
it
removes
the
legal
obligation
for
nv
energy
to
include
that
demonstration
program
and
its
annual
plans
filing
and
then
second,
it
eliminates
the
whole
that
whole
provision
of
nrs701b
after
the
program.
After
all,
the
funding
under
that
program
has
has
expired.
I
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
Next,
I
have
a
question
on
section
21.,
let's
see
it
looks
like
it's.
The.
I
I
Provisions
we've
got
a
70,
30
split,
70
percent
of
the
costs
of
high
high
voltage
transmission
infrastructure
projects
are
going
to
the
urban
areas,
30
percent
to
the
less
populated.
I
Explain
the
70
30
split.
Basically,
what
I
wanted
to
get
at
is:
is
this
an
arbitrary
division?
I
was
thinking.
70
percent
went
to
the
urban
areas,
30
percent
went
to
the
rural
areas.
Maybe
I've
got
that
backwards,
but
I'm
wondering
anytime,
I
see
round
numbers.
It
looks
like
an
arbitrary
designation,
but
I'm
wondering
what
went
behind
that.
C
Senator
pickard
that
it's
70
percent
south
and
30
north,
and
it's
so
some
and
it's
a
mix
of
urban
and
and
rural
in
both
the
southern
and
the
northern
territory.
The
way
that
that
that
sierra
pacific
power,
company
and
nevada
power
company
under
nv
energy
are
viewed
in
in
the
statutes
are
separately
and
and
some
some
things
are
allocated
separately.
C
Some
things
are
allocated
across
the
same
where
seventy
percent
of
the
load
is
in
the
south
and
thirty
percent
of
the
load
is
in
the
north
and
therefore
a
bulk
transmission
system
that
serves
well.
It
serves
the
entire
state
to
the
benefit
of
all
nevadans
it
it
really
is,
is
distributing
energy,
and
so
an
allocation
based
upon
energy
usage
is
has
been
used
in
the
past.
For
these
types
of
investments,.
I
Sure,
and,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
is
that
the
rural
areas
generally
don't
get
enough
money
to
do
what
we
can
do
down
south
kind
of
thing
and
it
it
feeds
this,
this
sense
of
north-south
divide
and
and
what
I,
what
I
was
getting
at
was
you
know?
Why
are
we
picking
these
numbers?
It
sounds
like
it's
a
load
issue
and
if
seventy
percent
of
the
load
is
is
down
south,
then
that
may
be.
I
You
know
geographical
coincidence,
but
I
was
just
trying
to
get
into
the
the.
Why
are
we
picking
those
numbers?
So
it's
just
based
on
load.
C
I
I
we're
creating
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force.
We've
got
a
number
of
representatives
being
appointed
by
different
groups.
I
noticed
down
in
14
and
15.
The
majority
gets
to
put
a
couple
people
on,
but
the
minority
do
not.
Is
there
a
reason
why
we're
concentrating
legislative
input
in
the
majority
and
not
having
any
minority
representation.
C
I
mean
that's,
obviously,
not
intentional,
but
I
it
you
know
we
try
to
limit
it,
some
sort
of
representation
on
the
task
force
to
be
as
broad
as
possible.
I've
already
gotten
some
criticism
from
probably
some
people
sitting
behind
me
that
it's
too
big
and
and
and
so
we
you
try
to
get
as
much
representation
as
broad
of
representation
as
possible
without
loading
up
too
many
from
any
one
sector.
So
you
know
two
legislators
is
some
might
say
two
too
many,
but
so
just
trying
to
limit
it
to
two
legislators.
C
The
kind
of
most
efficient
way
to
do
that-
and
we
even
see
this
in
the
ledge
commission
and
things
like
that.
It's
just
have
the
majority
leader
and
the
speaker
make
the
appointment
by
no
means
am
I
adverse
to
to
having
a
minority
party
pick
as
well
and-
and
it
just
makes
the
the
task
force-
that
much
larger,
but
in
in
a
situation
like
this
it.
I
don't
see
that
it's
it's
partisan.
You
would
want
to
pick
the
legislator,
both
from
the
assembly
and
the
senate.
C
That's
going
to
really
do
the
work
and
and
and
have
an
interest
and
and
maybe
even
bring
some
expertise.
I
Right,
I
appreciate
that
I
just
you
know,
particularly
since
majorities
changed
policies,
change
and
I
think
of
this
in
the
the
crucible
of
debate,
even
harry
reid
recently
said,
we
need
a
strong
two-party
system,
because
it's
in
that
crucible
that
we
actually
vet
things,
and
this
avoids
that
I
just
wonder.
Maybe
we
could
have
a
you
know
the
the
core
group,
the
the
minority
leaders
in
both
houses,
select
two
people,
one
from
each
party.
I
I
don't
really
care
how
we
do
it,
I'm
just
looking
at
you
know.
C
And
and
I,
as
someone
who
sits
on
this
committee
with
with
my
my
colleagues
here
that
are
I'm
talking
to
today-
I've
heard
that
argument
made
and
I
I
don't
disagree,
and
so
it's
just
you
know,
trying
to
keep
it
to
a
manageable
number.
C
I've
already
gotten
some
some
feedback
of
all
kinds
of
sectors
that
should
be
on
on
this
task
force,
and
then
the
task
force
at
the
end
of
the
day
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
public
utilities
commission
and
makes
a
recommendation
to
us,
the
legislature
that
we
may
or
may
not
choose
to
do
anything
with,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
keep
it
as
efficient
as
possible.
But
I
am
not
against
having
a
minority
party
or
you
know
in
each
house,
make
recommendations
by
any
means.
I
All
right
well-
and
I
agree
16
people
on
a
committee-
make
it
very
difficult
to
make
a
decision,
but
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
My
last
question,
madam
chair,
has
to
do
with
section
44,
I'm
on
page
37
and
we're
providing
incentives
to
low-income
households,
residential
cut
customers,
I'll
get
it
out
and
public
schools.
Why
not
all
education,
public,
private,
k-12.
I
C
Well,
I
mean
I
ultimately,
I
would
love
to
see
it
everywhere,
and
this
is
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term
pilot
program
on
the
initial
investment
and
and
the
state.
The
taxpayers
of
the
state
of
nevada
are
responsible
for
the
education
of
or
excuse
me,
the
transportation
and
public
schools.
They
aren't
responsible
for
the
the
cost
of
transportation
outside
of
that
public
school
sector.
C
I
Sure-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
I
guess
I
when
I
was
reading
this-
I
didn't
view
this
strictly
as
a
tax
payer
savings.
This
was
more
of
a
consumer
savings
pilot,
and
so
I
was
just
curious
to
know
what
the
thinking
was.
Why
we're
limiting
it
to
the
public
k-12
schools
instead
of
the
privates
and
and
she
and
and
the
rest
of
the
facilities
that
might
actually
benefit
from
it,
but.
C
I
understand
there's
nothing
even
within
this
program
to
keep
it
out
of
those
organizations.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
directing
very
specifically
and
intentionally
towards
the
public
schools,
because
they
have
a
very
centralized
and-
and
very
you
know,
sophisticated
transportation
network
where
you
could
really
get
a
lot
of
bang
for
your
buck.
Now
none
of
this
works.
None
of
this
works
to
drive
down
rates
for
ratepayers
or
to
reduce
carbon
unless
it
gets
utilized
and
very
well
utilized.
C
E
E
But
let
me
read
you
just
a
couple
of
things
and
I'll
make
sure
that
the
committee
manager
gets
these
links.
This
is
from
the
center
for
naval
analysis,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
big
on
national
security
and
what
all
that
means
says
it's
it's.
The
article
is
advanced
energy
and
national
security.
E
We
anticipate
the
growing
demand
for
electricity
will
be
met
in
increasingly
with
distributed
advanced
energy
systems,
wind
solar,
geothermal,
hydro,
hydrogen
and
other
energy
sources,
because
many
of
these
systems
can
be
distributed,
they
can
meet
the
energy
needs
of
a
population,
so
they're
looking
at
the
dod,
is
looking
at
at
hydrogen
they're,
also
to
include
nellis
they're,
also
looking
at
hydrogen
as
an
alternate
alternative
fuel
cell
and
at
hickam
air
force
base.
Pearl
harbor
hickam
air
force
base.
E
They've
been
experimenting
with
this
since
2006
and
now
have
several
other
buses
that
transport
the
pilots
from
you
know
onto
the
tarmac
and
off
with
hydrogen.
There
are.
There
are
four
ways
that
they're
saying
that.
Excuse
me,
the
military
can
use
hydrogen.
Please
don't
hear
this
as
downing
electric,
I'm
not
doing
that.
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
broad
and
what
our
thinking
is.
E
Unmanned
aerial
vehicles,
drones
they're,
using
that
undersea
vehicles
they're
using
it
there
using
it
in
light
duty
trucks
and
also
some
heavy
duty
trucks
with
the
army,
and
I
think
the
one
that
intrigued
me.
The
most
was
the
wearable
power
systems
that
they're
developing
for
people
when
you
go
into
combat
the
lithium
battery
is
a
little
bit
hot,
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
heavy,
and
so
what
they're
looking
at
is
they're
looking
at
experimenting
with
with
hydrogen
as
to
how
that
would
do
so.
E
I
guess
my
my
question
would
be:
is
there
any
room
for
for
the
exploration
of
other
sources
of
energy,
and
I'm
just
thinking
about
that
from
a
standpoint
of
making
sure
that
we're
making
sure
that
we're
we're
exploiting
all
of
our
resources,
geothermal
hydrogen
fuel
cells?
You
know
that
sort
of
thing.
So
so
that's
my
question.
C
Absolutely
center
experiment
and-
and
there
is
room
for
it-
you
even
have
a
bill
that
does
it
so,
and
I
plan
on
voting
for
that
as
well
and
and
and
so
we're
this
is.
This-
is
about
the
here
and
then
now
we
have,
electric
vehicles
are
coming.
C
I
can
go
out
and
buy
hundreds
if
you
look
at
all
the
manufacturers
and
variants,
there's
hundreds
of
electric
vehicles
available
right
now.
I
can
go
in
my
garage
and
I
can
plug
it
in.
I
cannot
buy
a
hydrogen
vehicle
and
there
isn't
a
hydrogen
station
in
the
state
of
nevada,
so
we're
trying
to
deal
with
the
here
and
the
now
and
wow.
We
encourage
the
the
the
next
the
future.
The
what's
gonna
happen
with
you
know
specifically
around
clean,
clean
gas
and
and
hydrogen's
roll
and
clean
gas.
C
But
this
this
is
about
what's
happening,
moving
electricity
and
and-
and
this
is
about
storage-
hydrogen
is
energy
storage
is,
is
it
takes
energy
to
make
the
hydrogen
hydrogen
stores
the
energy?
And
then
you
can
turn
that
energy
hydrogen
into
some
sort
of
power,
whether
it
be
electricity
or
or
some
sort
of
motion,
and
so
this
hydrogen,
I'm
sure,
will
have
a
piece
we'll
we'll
fit
into
this
in
the
future.
C
Hydrogen
is
not
a
thing
that
really
currently
exists
in
the
state
of
nevada
right
now,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
take
full
advantage
of
what's
here
what's
now
and
what
can
put
people
to
work
immediately
and
what
can
show
the
benefits
to
our
community
immediately
all
while
it
integrates
future
developments
and
things
such
as
hydrogen,
and
so
I
think
that
they
they
work
together.
Well,
it
may
not
address
it.
This
is
addressing
a
very
specific
thing
and
that's
that's
the
electrification
of
transportation
and
transmission.
C
I
I
see
hydrogen
doesn't
compete
with
this.
It
complements
it.
H
Great
okay,
well
speaking
of
the
electric
avenue
le
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
that.
I
did
you
know
I've
read
articles
talking
about
you
know.
Perhaps
we're
gonna
see
eight
percent
electric
electric
vehicles
on
the
highway
by
2030,
maybe
more
than
that,
there's
they're
all
over
the
place.
H
That's
a
that's
a
pretty
significant
investment,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
enough.
What
what
can
you
tell
me
the
state
of
privatization
or
private
investment
in
in
these
charging
stations
that
I'd
really
like
to
know
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
that
intersection?
Because
it's
you
know
government,
sometimes
they
kind
of
push
for
certain
things
that
to
happen.
We
help
to
spur
innovation.
H
C
And
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
it's
it's
it's
about
leveraging
right,
it's
about
leveraging
public
funds,
ratepayer
funds
and
and
and
otherwise
private
funds
and
and
what
this
bill
is
is
is
directing
is
the
investment
and
infrastructure
electrical
infrastructure,
and
so
you
know
and
I've.
I've
worked
on
the
development
of
a
couple
of
you
know:
charging
infrastructure
projects
in
my
career
and
the
charger,
and
the
charging
piece
of
it
is
the
absolute
lowest
cost
piece
of
it.
C
It's
the
electrical
infrastructure
to
get
it
there
and
and
to
to
provide
the
electricity
to
the
charging
the
charging
station.
And
so,
if
you
have
an
investment-
and
this
is
just
you're
right-
it
is
not
enough.
C
They
got
together
and
split
the
cost
on
the
electrical
infrastructure
to
get
to
that
it
by
itself
either
one
of
them
would
have
to
pay
the
entire
cost
and
it's
the
same
cost.
And
so,
if
you
can
build
that
infrastructure
and
and
direct
that
infrastructure
here,
you
can
see
all
kinds
of
different
investment.
That's
why
we
made
it
very
clear
in
here
third
party
ownership,
it
can
be
included.
C
Rebates
can
be
included
so
that
we
are
using
a
hundred
million
dollar
investment
to
hopefully
leverage
that
into
several
hundred
million
dollars
of
investment
and
in
business
models.
We
haven't
yet
even
imagined
and
so
you're
absolutely
right
and
that's
why
we
made
sure
that
we
we
lit.
We
didn't
limit
the
ownership
or
or
the
placement
of
any
of
these
charging
stations
in
the
bill,
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
leverage
100
million
dollars
into
much
more
money
than
that.
Hopefully,.
H
Thank
you
senator
brooks,
and
you
gave
me
one
example
is
there,
and
I
know
that
I
may
have
spoken
with
mr
bobsien
about
this
as
well
in
the
past,
and
I
think
he
may
have
mentioned
something
like
that.
I
didn't
know
if
he
wanted
to
get
on
the
record
or
not,
and
I
know
mr
ponce
has
mentioned
a
lot
of
numbers.
He's
he's
overwhelmed
me
with
numbers.
H
Actually
in
this
presentation
I
have
to
go
back
and
re-listen
to
what
he
gave
me
and
or
all
of
us
here,
but
if
any
one
of
those
want
to
talk
about
that,
because
I
think
you
gave
us
one
example
and
I'm
glad
that
we're
seeing
that
investment,
or
at
least
the
cooperation
between
public
and
private
and
it
is
about
leveraging
the
money,
but
if
they
want
to
chime
in
that'd,
be
great
as
well.
E
C
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
Senator
david
boxing
for
the
record
and
and
senator
hammond
you're
you're
correct,
and
this
is
a
good
line
of
inquiry,
and
I
definitely
think
that
senator
brook's
example
of
the
leverage,
funding,
opportunity
or
situation
that
happened
at
baby
was
a
perfect
example.
E
It's
true
there's
a
lot
of
this
is
having
to
run
the
wire
make
sure
the
power's
there
so
that
the
ultimate
you
know,
charging
piece
at
the
very
end
is
is
is
is
able
to
be
deployed,
but
you
know
certainly
you're
familiar
with
I.
I
know
you
prefer
the
term
electric
avenue
the
nevada
electric
highway.
E
We
have
that
in
partnership
with
both
mv
energy,
as
well
as
a
number
of
the
rural
electric
coops
across
the
state,
and
so
we've
had
different
models
for
the
different
territories
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
host
sites,
and
so
we
have
you
know
private
companies,
businesses
that
see
the
advantage
of
hosting
the
the
infrastructure
as
another
way
to
sort
of
expand
their
their
market.
E
People
like
to
plug
in
they
have
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
there
they
can
come
in,
they
can
shop,
and
so
I
think,
with
what's
contemplated
in
this
plan,
really
is
a
way
to
kind
of
level
up
the
investment,
and
my
hope
is
that
it
will
do
nothing
but
encourage
even
greater
private
invests
in
and
entrepreneurship
and
and
activity
in
this
space
to
to
really
help
build
out
the
ev
charging
infrastructure
that
we
we
we
do
need
heading
into
the
future.
F
Michael
brown,
governor's
office
economic
development,
starting
in
the
fall
of
last
year.
We
also
started
to
see
just
a
series
of
announcements
by
the
major
manufacturers
of
automobiles
toyota,
bmw,
volkswagen,
across
the
board
of
a
real
serious
commitment
to
electronic
to
electric
vehicles,
and
I
think,
if
you
envision
tesla,
you
know,
as
as
the
one
kind
of
opening
the
market
up
and
now
you're,
seeing
all
the
other
car
companies
come
into
it.
F
I
think
there
will
come
a
point
mid-decade
where,
where
suddenly
you're
gonna
reach
a
tipping
point
with
respect
to
electric
vehicles,
given
the
size
of
investment-
and
I
I'd
be
glad
to
furnish
for
the
record
a
couple
of
industry
articles
on
that
and
with
respect
to
the
earlier
question
in
the
wall
street
journal
story,
I
referenced
in
my
statement-
talked
about
the
industrial
storage
batteries
that
allow
for
industrial
storage
of
renewable
energy
and
I'll
I'll
submit
all
of
that
for
the
record
and
send
it
to
the
members.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
director,
bossie
and,
mr
speaking
of
battery
storage.
I
guess
the
one
question
that
keeps
coming
to
mind
is
you
know
I
was
talking
about
the
safety
of
it.
I'd
really
like
to
get
sort
of
an
idea
of
where
we're
at
with
the
safety
of
the
battery
storage,
but
in
order,
let's
say
a
facility
goes
down
a
a
a
something
goes
down.
Somebody
you
know
is
not
able
to
deliver
the
energy
that
we
need.
It
goes
down.
H
Do
we
have
the
capabilities
at
this
present
moment
for
for
batteries
to
be
able
to
replace
a
a
facility
that
goes
down,
for
example,
and
they're
not
able
to
deliver
the
the
energy
that
we
need
at
certain
times
is
that
is
that
there
now
are
we
there
with
battery
storage.
F
J
J
What
we've
seen
in
the
last
three
years
is
nb.
Energy
has
come
to
the
public
utilities,
commission
and
requested
requested
approval
of
what
are
becoming
increasingly
commonly
called
hybrid
projects,
utility
scale,
renewable
solar
projects
coupled
with
battery
storage,
and
so
as
those
projects
come
online
over
the
next
three
years.
J
If
they
stay
on
on
schedule
by
2024
nv
energy
will
have
control
in
its
system
of
1028
megawatts
of
essentially
four
hour
battery
storage
and
so
and
really
the
economic
driver
for
signing
those
agreements
and
going
forward
with
those
projects
was
really
to
shift
solar
production
from
midday
in
effect,
store
solar
production
in
the
you
know
mid
morning,
midday
when
demand
is
not
as
high
and
have
it
have
that
energy
stored
so
that
you
have
that
that
say
you
had
100
megawatt
solar
facility.
It
could
produce
100
megawatts.
J
You
could
get
100
megawatts
of
capacity
out
of
that
unit
in
the
peak
hours
from
four
to
nine
in
the
evening,
but
it
does
provide
storage
to
the
extent
it's
not
our
it's
fully
charged.
It
does
provide
tremendous
flexibility
to
the
system
operator
if
you
have
storage,
but
the
the
rationale
for
going
forward.
This
project
is
really
to
meet
summer
peak
loads.
H
That
does
help,
and,
mr
johnson,
if,
for
example,
for
example,
if
one
of
those
solar
plants
went
down
and
offline
for
you
know
a
long
time,
an
extended
period,
maybe
more
than
was
anticipated.
How
much
could
we
anticipate
the
batteries,
then
taking
the
place
of
the
the
down
solar
plant?
Four.
J
Hours
six
hours,
eight
hours,
yes,
bob
johnson-
for
the
record.
No,
the
battery
better
energy
storage
systems
are
really
short-term
storage
they're
to
really
save
renewable
energy
to
match
your
system
load,
so
you
can
move
it
around
within
a
24-hour
time
period,
maybe,
but
no
you're,
only
talking
at
maximum
discharge
you're
talking
four
hours
of
most
of
it
that
that's
in
the
pipeline.
J
Right
now,
and
at
least
the
economics
are
such
right
now
that
that
not
many
people
are
envisioning
battery
storage
being
a
solution
for
storing
storing
energy
for
days
or
months,
or
you
know,
for
long-term
storage
that
really
gets
to
what
senator
spearman
was
referring
to,
where
you're
talking
about
what's
been
termed
green
hydrogen,
where
you're
using
renewable
energy
solar
wind
to
make
hydrogen
by
electrolysis,
and
then
hydrogen
can
be
stored
for
for
a
long
period
of
time,
just
like
natural
gas
or
oil.
C
So
so,
if
I
may
add
to
that,
the
technology
exists,
the
the
it's
capable
of
doing
all
those
things.
It's
just
not
cost
effective
and
that's
not.
So
that's
not
how
we're
utilizing
at
this
point
in
time,
and
so
it's
really
just
to
shift
the
load.
So
just
a
few
hours
usually
but
like
it
exists,
it
just
depends
on
you
know
the
application.
C
For
instance,
I
have
25
kilowatt
hours
in
my
garage
in
a
better
energy
storage
system
that
will
run
my
house
if
there
were
to
be
a
blackout-
and
you
know
that
doesn't
happen
in
my
neighborhood.
But
if
that
were
to
happen,
I
could
run
my
house
with
the
solar
indefinitely
and
so
it
it
exists.
I
paid
dearly
for
it
and
so
what
what
it
really
is
just
about
the
economics.
H
And
then
the
last
thing
and
then
I'll
turn
it
back
over.
I
don't
think
I'll
have
any
more
after
this.
I
just
wanted
to
make
this
statement.
You
know
go
along
with
what
senator
pickard
said
in
in
section
31
when
you're
creating
it
and
that
task
force,
and
I've
said
this
before
and
other
things,
and
it's
not
just
about
the.
H
I
don't
think
it's
limited
to
just
the
debate
or
the
you
know,
exchange
of
ideas,
sometimes
for
both
marty's,
it's
kind
of
nice
to
have
somebody
there
who
can
report
back
to
the
larger
body,
the
the
caucus,
if
you
will
what's
going
on
this,
is,
as
director
brown
said,
a
very
bold
plan.
That
is
it's.
H
It's
very
large
we're
changing
sort
of
the
direction
of
our
energy
policy
here
in
the
state
of
nevada
or
adding
to
and
in
a
major
way
in
that,
in
addition,
in
a
major
way
and
it'd
be
kind
of
nice
to
make
sure
that
we
are
collaborating
with
you
know
with
the
the
majority
party
or
vice
versa,
wherever
it
goes
in
the
future,
but
making
sure
that
there's
there's
you
know
somebody
there,
who's
who's
can
report
back.
C
I,
I
think,
that's
a
great
idea-
and
you
know,
as
somebody
who's
worked
with
you
on
interim
committees
and
and
partisan
politics,
doesn't
really
factor
into
a
lot
of
that
or
who's
worked
with
senator
pickard
on
back
in
the
assembly,
even
on
some
of
this
language,
as
we
put
it
together,
I
think
that
that
it's
more
about
expertise
and
participation
than
it
has
anything
to
do
with
politics
or
party.
So
I
agree
100
and
that's
an
addition
that
I
think
we
would
like
to
make.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
question
about
transmission,
only
customers
and
how
this
project
might
affect
them,
given
that
they
may
not
see
any
benefits
on
downward
rates
because
they
don't,
you
know,
pay
for
electricity
rates.
Could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
impact
we
might
see
on
the
existing
transmission?
Only
customers.
C
Oh
absolutely,
and
thank
you
for
that
question
and-
and-
and
mr
johnson
here
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
when
I'm
wrong
and
transmission,
only
customers
do
pay
rates
and
they
they
pay
transmission
rates
and
transmission.
Customer
only
customers
will
pay
portions
of
the
investment
and
transmission
customer.
Only
customers
will
get
the
benefit
of
the
investment
transmission
customers
only
by
that
very
name
access
the
transmission
system
and
and
to
make
the
transmission
system
more
robust
and
have
more
access
to
more
markets.
C
Those
transmission
only
customers
will
have
that
same
exact
access
to
other
markets
as
a
result
of
the
transmission.
We
even
have
some
language
in
here
that
says
that
and
I'll
try
to
locate
it,
but
it's
it
directs
that
the
access
will
be
made
to
transmission
only
customers
so
that
they
can
get
the
benefits
of
the
transmission
investment
that
they
are
going
to
help
pay
for
and
for
that
they
should
get
the
benefit.
C
I
might
even
argue
that
their
benefit
would
be
even
greater
than
the
average
ratepayer
because
of
the
fact
that
they
will
be
able
to
access
directly
renewable
energy
projects
and
and
other
markets,
possibly,
and
so
in
section
on
page
29
and
section
I'm
trying
to
this
is
a
big
bill,
but
it's
on
page
29,
and
that
is
let
me
go
back
to
which
section
that
is.
I
think
it
is
section
41
but
39.
C
Thank
you,
and
it
does
provide
guidance
that
that
access
should
be
made
to,
although
that
is
covered
under
their
their
transmission
only
tariff
that
is
in
place
in
the
state
right
now.
C
We
just
wanted
to
make
it
crystal
clear
when,
when
when
access
was
was
petitioned
for
that
they
had
access
to
those
that
transmission
line
and
there's
lo,
there's
customers
right
now
in
this
state
that
are
buying
renewable
energy
in
one
part
of
our
state
and
are
located
in
another
part
of
our
state
and
would
do
even
more
if
there
was
less
construct
constraints
on
the
transmission
system,
and
so
by
creating
this
that
very
customer
that
I'm
mentioning,
that
is
a
transmission.
Only
customer
will
have
more
access
to
renewable
energy
at
a
lower
price.
A
Okay,
my
next
question
has
to
do
with
the
risk
of
the
investment,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
the
way
this
is
set
up
right
now,
if
benefits
don't
materialize,
which
I
think
is
a
very
small
small
chance
rate
payers,
it
seems,
would
be
taking
the
entire
burden
of
this.
Being
a
great
thing
is:
is
there
anything
that
protects
for
that?
I
guess
worst
case
scenario
right
I
mean
I
I
at
times
you
mentioned
like
tesla
and
some
county
in
the
north
wanting
to
do
charging
stations.
A
They
came
together
right,
but
that's
a
50
50
kind
of
split.
What
is
the-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
mr
cannon
since
he's
here,
but
what
is
the?
What
is
the
utility
willing
to
put
forward
to
kind
of
assure
that
rate
payers
won't
end
up
holding
the
bag?
If
things
don't
work
out.
C
A
It's
the
latter,
so
we
build
all
these
infrastruc
infrastructure
for
charging
stations
and
we
don't
actually
get
enough
evs
to
increase
the
demand
or
we
build
out
the
transmission,
and
it
doesn't
actually
lead
to
the
the
benefits
that
we
are
anticipating
right
and
therefore
the
prices
don't
actually
end
up
going
down.
Although
they
should.
I
follow
your
logic.
I
don't
disagree.
A
I
just,
I
think
part
of
the
reason
why
this
is
so
difficult
through
the
existing
process
is
because
some
of
the
benefits
are
a
bit
likely
but
unknown
right,
and
so
I
I
want
to
know
that
there
is
something
that
the
utility
is
willing
to
say
to
the
ratepayers.
This
is
worth
ye,
taking
the
entire
burden,
as
opposed
to
sharing
it
or
as
us
as
shareholders,
because
we're
so
convinced
the
investment
is
worth
it,
making
it
on
our
own.
C
Well,
I
I
think
that,
if,
if
he's
willing,
I
would
turn
that
over
mr
cannon
to
I
do
not
want
to
speak
for
what
the
utility
is
willing
to
do.
But
let
me
let
me
step
aside.
D
Chair
harris
doug
cannon
for
the
record,
the
way
I'd
answer
that
question
and
I
do
appreciate
the
question-
is:
there's
a
couple
of
components
to
that
answer:
first,
the
utility.
This
is
a
great
example
of
that
private
part.
A
private
public
partnership,
there's
a
need
that
exists
in
nevada.
Today,
the
transmission
system
in
northern
nevada
is
fully
constrained.
D
There
are
no
additional
imports
that
can
come
into
northern
nevada
and
unless
we
build
infrastructure
like
this,
our
ability
to
support
economic
development
down
the
road,
a
customer,
a
transmission
only
customer's
ability
to
access
the
market
is
all
limited,
so
the
need
for
this
infrastructure
exists
today.
In
addition,
the
reliability
concerns
that
senator
pickard
raised
earlier.
You
can
see
that
northern
and
southern
nevada,
if
we
put
the
map
so
can
I
ask
you
bob
to
put
that
map
back
up.
You
can
see
northern
and
southern
nevada
right
now.
D
D
D
D
Our
our
shareholders
are
our
shareholders.
We
don't
get
recovery
on
that
money
until
that
asset
actually
goes
into
service,
and
then,
when
that
asset
goes
into
service,
the
public
utilities
commission,
through
a
contested
proceeding
where
parties
get
to
intervene,
every
party
gets
to
question
every
cost
we
put
into
that
project.
The
public
utilities
commission
will
then
set
how
much
of
that
investment
we
actually
get
to
recover
and
we'll
actually
set
the
rate
at
which
we
get
to
earn
on
that
asset,
and
so
it
will
be
we're
going
to
bring
2.5
billion
dollars
to
the
table.
D
Today.
We're
gonna
put
thousands
of
people
to
work
today
and
nevadans.
Won't
be
asked
to
pay
for
this
investment
until
at
least
five
or
six
years
down
the
road
when
we
enter
into
and
receive
all
the
benefits
of
that
immediate
economic
investment.
Today,
and
so
I
guess
in
my
perspective
that
this
is
a
public
private
partnership
and
we
are
coming
to
the
table.
It's
not
a
risk-free
proposition.
D
We
don't
know
ultimately
what
the
public
utilities
commission
will
approve
we're
going
to
manage
the
project
prudently,
we're
going
to
be
reasonable
in
our
expenditures,
but
ultimately,
a
lot
of
other
parties
will
intervene
in
that
proceeding.
There'll
be
a
lot
of
arguments
over
what
costs
were
reasonable
and
prudent,
and
we
may
not
come
out
of
that.
Proceeding
with
a
hundred
percent
cost
recovery
and
we'd
model,
one
return
rate
in
our
return
on
investment
in
that
proceeding.
D
A
A
Some
of
them,
it
seems
it
seems
to
me
what
you
just
described,
is
the
existing
process,
not
the
new
process,
by
which,
once
you
submit
an
application
as
long
as
it's
procedurally
as
long
as
it's
not
procedurally
deficient,
that
application
is
going
to
be
approved
and
and
inevitably
then
those
costs
are
likely
going
to
be
passed
on
to
ratepayers,
as
as
it
should
in
in
many
circumstances,
but
without
that
same
contested
case
that
we
have
existing
today,
am
I
misunderstanding
that
part
of
the.
D
Bill
cannon
chair
harris
to
answer
your
questions,
the
legislation
and
I'll
I'll.
Certainly
let
senator
brooks
and-
and
mr
johnson
answer
the
question
as
well,
but
from
our
perspective
the
legislation
does
require
us
to
submit
a
plan.
That
plan
is
a
contested
proceeding.
D
Other
parties
have
the
opportunity
to
intervene
to
provide
feedback,
and
there
are
certain
findings
in
that
legislation
in
this
legislation
that
the
commission
would
have
to
make
in
order
to
then
tell
or
approve
the
plan
that
we
submit,
and
so
I,
while
that
plan,
is
more
prescriptive,
as
described
by
senator
brooks
already.
It
is
not
a
foregone
conclusion,
but
that's
one
piece
of
the
legislation.
What
this
legislation
doesn't
change
and
doesn't
put
any
guarantee
for
us
is
the
recovery
on
that
investment.
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
additional
questions
before
we
go
to
testimony.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
sandra
brooks
if
it's
okay
with
you
we'll
move
on
to
testimony
just
a
heads
up
we
are
going
to.
Unfortunately,
everyone
have
to
limit
testimony
for
the
first
time
here
in
in
growth
and
infrastructure.
A
My
plan
is
to
limit
it
to
20
minutes
in
every
position.
I
will
do
10
minutes
in
person
and
10
minutes
on
the
phone.
Whatever
we
don't
use
in
person,
I
will
give
to
folks
on
the
phone.
So
if
there's
only
one
minute
of
opposition
here,
I
will
allow
nine-
I
guess
19
minutes
of
opposition
on
the
phone,
but
20
minutes
total
and
I'll
start
with
an
even
split,
and
I
will
also
have
to
ask
folks
to
keep
their
comments
to
two
minutes.
A
So
we
can
get
as
many
voices
heard
as
possible
all
right
with
that.
We
will
open
up
testimony
in
support
of
senate
bill
448
here
in
person
and
if
we
could
just
do
one
person
at
a
time,
that'd
be
great.
Thank
you.
So
much
go
ahead.
J
Here
with
this
bill,
because
he's
been
doing
this,
his
whole
life-
and
you
know
we
just
want
to
testify
in
support.
K
Of
this
bill,
this
bill
will
create
thousands
of
jobs
and
not
lousy
jobs,
I'm
talking
about
jobs,
good
paying
jobs
with
benefits,
health
care
and
retirement,
and
so
it's
a
great
economic
opportunity
for
the
state
of
nevada,
both
from
all
the
benefits
we'll
receive
from
building
out
the
infrastructure,
but
job
creation
as
well.
Thank
you.
J
We
also
believe
this
is
a
great
bill
in
terms
of
job
creation.
For
instance,
the
average
wage
on
the
building.
The
transmission
in
this
case
is
going
to
be,
and
six
thousand
dollars
a
year,
which
is
which
is
an
amazing
wage
in
terms
of
this
region.
So
we
would
strongly
support
that
and,
in
addition,
there's
49.3
million
dollars
in
sales
tax
generated
by
this
pro
that
transmission
project,
which
is
going
to
go
back
to
the
counties
and
the
state
government.
So
this
is
going
to
be
an
economic
boon
for
nevada
and
we
strongly
support
it.
J
Good
evening
sharon
committee
members,
michael
hiller,
be
with
chem
for
kroll
on
behalf
of
google
here
today
in
support
of
sb
448,
in
particular
the
provisions
surrounding
a
regional
transmission
organization,
and
we
want
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
bringing
the
bill
forward.
Google
is
proud
to
call
nevada
home
with
a
total
committed
investment
of
1.8
billion
dollars
across
two
data
center
campuses,
the
first
of
which
in
henderson
reached
full
operations.
J
In
february,
governor
sysolak
state
of
the
state
sent
a
clear
message
about
nevada's
commitment
and
we
thank
him
for
his
leadership
and
work
with
the
legislature
on
this
issue.
Nevada's
commitment
to
clean
energy
future
is
important
to
google
and
will
help
the
company
meet
its
goal
of
24
7
carbon
free
energy
by
2030..
J
That
will
begin
with
our
data
centers
here
in
nevada
and
elsewhere.
Nevada's
participation
in
a
regional
transmission
organization
is
a
critical
tool
for
achieving
the
state's
clean
energy
goals
and
we
are
pleased
to
see
support
from
senator
brooks
and
the
governor
for
this
important
issue.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
state
of
nevada
to
help
our
state
be
at
the
forefront
of
the
clean
energy
economy
and
bringing
new
technologies
to
the
market.
Thank.
A
J
J
Once
again,
ed
garcia
for
the
record
here
to
support
senate
bill
448,
specifically
the
sections
dealing
with
energy
storage
projects,
connell
edison,
develops
and
owns
and
operates
utility
scale,
renewable
energy
projects
as
one
of
the
largest
solar
owners
and
operators
in
north
america.
I
had
some
some
more
remarks,
but
in
the
interest
of
time,
some
of
the
comments
made
by
the
director
of
the
governor's
office
of
energy
when
he
referred
to
those
companies
looking
for
opportunities
here
to
build
large-scale
storage.
J
One
of
the
biggest
barriers
to
development
of
these
types
of
projects
is
uncertainty,
and
this
bill
goes
a
long
way
towards
alleviating
a
lot
of
that
uncertainty
and
my
client
consolidated
at
us,
and
looks
forward
to
developing
for
more
storage
projects
along
with
more
renewable
projects
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Thank.
E
E
E
The
provision
of
sections
45
to
47,
which
extend
the
edr
to
2024,
is
a
key
component
in
the
company's
consideration
in
making
southern
nevada
a
manufacturing
hub.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
local
and
state
officials
as
we
continue
to
develop
plans,
and
we
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
this
important
legislation.
Thank
you
all.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record
susan
fisher
with
mcdonald,
carano
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
couple
of
clients
here
today.
The
first
one
is
ablegrid
energy
solutions,
ablegrid
supports
sb
448
and
in
particular
we
appreciate
the
provisions
of
sections
three
through
eight
relating
to
energy
storage.
B
Ablegrid
develops
and
builds
low-cost
energy
storage
assets
that
provide
reliable
and
emissions-free
capacity
to
manage
physical
and
financial
volatility
of
the
energy
markets.
We
appreciate
all
the
bill
sponsors
time
that
he
spent
with
us
and
with
the
the
partners
at
ibew.
We
had
a
lot
of
time
with
them
and
while
we'd
like
to
see
this
expanded
to
stand
alone,
energy
storage-
we
understand
this
is
a
big
step.
B
This
is
much
bigger
than
a
baby
step
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
sponsor
over
the
interim
on
this
important
policy
and
as
the
industry
gets
developed
further.
In
addition,
I'm
representing
today
ovation
development
corporation
and
you
will
hear
later
when
you
get
to
the
phones
from
alan
malaski,
who
is
the
founder
and
ceo
of
ovation,
and
this
is
speaking
to
the
the
rooftop
solar
piece
which
I
we
call
tenant
solar,
and
this
is
not
something
that
has
been
put
together
by
senator
brooks
in
a
vacuum.
B
We've
been
talking
with
him
about
this
for
over
four
years,
we
actually
had
legislation
last
session,
but
it
wasn't
quite
gelled
yet
and
we're
hoping
that
this
session
is
the
one
for
it
to
be
jailed.
This
will
help
flatten
out
energy
costs,
for
both
the
landlords
and
for
the
tenants.
It
would
be
a
big
system
going
into
one
big
meter
rather
than
individually
metered
for
the
tenants,
and
we
really
look
forward
to
working
on
this
going
forward.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
chair
harris
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
christy
cabrera
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
here
in
support
of
sb
448
as
home
to
some
of
the
fastest
warming
cities
in
the
united
states.
Nevada
is
already
feeling
the
impacts
of
climate
change.
We've
made
strides
to
become
a
cleaner
and
greener
state,
but
we
are
still
not
on
track
to
meet
our
climate
goals
and
there
is
still
plenty
of
work
to
be
done.
L
Sb
448
will
allow
our
state
to
continue
to
invest
in
a
clean
energy
economy,
make
strides
in
achieving
our
carbon
reduction
goals
and
put
more
nevadans
to
work
in
the
fast-growing
green
energy
economy.
This
bill
also
prioritizes
historically
underserved
communities.
Currently,
nv
energy
is
required
to
spend
at
least
five
percent
of
its
energy
efficiency
program
on
programs
directed
to
low-income
customers.
L
Sb
448
would
double
the
investment
to
10
percent.
Aligning
our
state
with
the
national
average
targeted
energy
efficiency
measures
would
lessen
the
strain
for
families
paying
high
energy
bills
and
prevent
them
from
facing
the
difficult
decision
between
paying
bills
and
putting
food
on
the
table.
Sb
448
will
lead
to
jobs
and
cost
savings
to
power.
Nevadan's
economic
recovery,
with
a
focus
on
underserved
communities,
who've
been
hit
the
hardest
by
climate
change
and
the
economic
downturn.
L
L
L
This
bill
contains
many
good
provisions,
but
I
wanted
to
speak
to
just
a
few
of
the
highlights
that
we
are
glad
to
see
in
this
build
448
expands
energy
efficiency
programs
to
reduce
the
cost
of
energy,
particularly
for
low-income
families,
while
reducing
pollution,
along
with
it
in
las
vegas
and
in
reno,
two
of
the
nation's
fastest
warming
cities.
Conserving
energy
with
greater
efficiency
is
in
is
imperative
to
keep
costs
and
energy
usage
manual
manageable.
In
our
hot
summers.
L
Sb
448
also
invests
in
building
electric
vehicles
charging
stations
around
the
state.
This
will
not
only
incentivize
individuals,
businesses
and
local
governments
to
to
transition
to
electric
vehicles,
but
also
create
thousands
of
good
paying
jobs
in
the
transportation
sector.
It
would
make
nevada
among
the
nation's
leaders
for
electro
electrifying
transportation
and
cutting
harmful
vehicle
emissions.
L
This
investment
includes
40
percent
of
this
ev
charging
infrastructure
in
historically
underserved
communities,
including
communities
of
color.
These
communities
face
greater
risk
of
asthma,
which
I
am
currently
dealing
with,
and
other
respiratory
diseases
due
to
air
pollution,
as
was
confirmed
in
recent
data
from
the
american
lung
association's
air
report.
L
We
we
appreciate
the
senator
for
hearing
the
voices
of
the
communities
who've
spoken
out
about
this
issue
for
years
and
taking
steps
to
address
it.
This
bill
will
help
nevada,
reach
the
governor's
emission
reduction
goals
to
fight
climate
change
and
create
thousands
of
jobs
here
in
the
state.
We
thank
senator,
brooks
for
bringing
forward
sb,
448
and
once
again
being
a
leader
on
climate
action
in
nevada.
We
urge
your
support.
A
Okay,
I
hope
that
actually
concludes
everyone
in
person.
If
so,
we
did
that
perfectly
we'll
now
go
ahead
and
turn
to
10
minutes
of
testimony
on
the
phone
bps.
A
Could
you
pull
the
line,
see
if
there's
anyone
who'd
like
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
448,
and
we
will
keep
it
on
a
strict
two
minute
purse
per
speaker?
Thank
you.
K
K
K
K
M
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you.
My
name
is
nate
bluein,
that's
b-l-o-u-I-n
and
I
work
as
the
policy
manager
for
the
interwest
energy
alliance.
Interwest
is
the
regional
trade
association
representing
large-scale
solar,
wind
and
storage
companies,
developing
the
renewable
resources
that
nevada
will
need
to
meet
the
state's
climate
and
energy
policy
goals.
Interwest
supports
sb,
448
and
thanks
to
sponsor
for
bringing
forward
this
landmark
legislation
that
will
strengthen
nevada's
position
as
one
of
the
nation's
leaders
in
the
new
energy
economy.
M
M
Second,
sb
448
supports
regional
energy
transmission.
By
requiring
a
plan
for
construction
of
new
high
voltage,
transmission
lines
will
facilitate
joining
an
rto.
This
section
is
crucial
to
building
projects
that
are
already
in
the
planning
phase
and
will
bring
new
jobs
to
nevada,
while
opening
up
new
areas
to
solar,
wind
and
geothermal
development.
M
While
we
support
other
aspects
of
this
bill,
including
the
expansion
of
the
renewable
energy
tax
abatement
to
energy
storage
projects,
the
two
pieces
I
focused
on
today
are
among
the
most
important
steps
that
nevada
can
take
to
meeting
the
state's
climate
and
energy
goals.
They
positioned
nevada,
to
be
a
national
leader
in
renewable
energy
development
and
will
bolster
the
state's
economy
with
new
jobs
and
revenues.
Please
support
sb
448
thank.
M
K
M
M
C-A-R-O-L-Y-N-T-U-R-N-E-R
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
rural
electric
association,
henry
and
his
utility
members
are
here
today
in
support
of
senate
bill.
448
we'd,
like
to
thank
senator,
brooks
for
bringing
forward
this
legislation
and
for
his
leadership
in
the
space
nra
represents
the
collective
interest
of
10
consumer-owned
utilities
throughout
the
state
of
nevada,
which
are
democratically
governed
and
operated
on
a
not-for-profit
basis.
Each
utility
is
motivated,
first
and
foremost,
to
provide
safe,
reliable
and
affordable
electric
service
to
the
communities
it
serves.
M
Local
governance
has
resulted
in
the
deployment
of
innovative
solutions
by
consumer
and
utilities
such
as
community
solar
programs,
early
adoption
of
low
carbon
energy
resources
and
the
expansion
of
easy
charging
infrastructure
in
partnership
with
the
governor's
office
of
energy,
nra
members
acquire
and
deliver
electricity
independently.
However,
the
majority
of
our
members
receive
transmission
services
from
the
investor
and
utilities,
and
we
appreciate
chair
harris
asking
about
some
of
those
costs.
M
Nra
members
therefore
have
a
vested
interest
in
ensuring
that
there
is
sufficient
capacity
in
the
state's
transmission
system
to
support
the
economic
development
goals
and
vitality
of
all
nevada
communities.
Both
rural
and
urban,
as
demand
on
the
energy
system
has
grown
in
our
state
congestion
has
occurred
within
the
confines
of
existing
infrastructure.
It's
critical
that
future
projects
address
these
constraints
and
prioritize
the
needs
of
native
load
within
our
state
borders,
in
addition
to
investment
in
physical
infrastructure.
M
The
legislation
before
you
today
contemplates
the
formation
of
an
organized
energy
market
in
the
west
over
the
next
decade.
Nra
takes
no
position
on
any
particular
market
construct.
At
this
time,
however,
we
would
like
to
offer
our
strong
support
for
the
establishment
of
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force,
as
envisioned
in
section
31
of
the
bill.
M
Nra
would
like
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
including
a
representative
of
the
consumer-owned
utility
industry
in
the
makeup
of
the
task
force
in
recognition
of
the
unique
perspective
we
offer,
our
association
looks
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
work
collaboratively
with
other
stakeholders
to
ensure
that
participation
in
organized
market
is
achieved
with
the
best
interests
of
all
negatives
and
minds.
Thank
you,
chair
harris
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
my
remarks.
A
K
Absolutely
thank
you
chair.
Will
the
caller
make
the
last
yes
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
710,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can.
M
M
M
I
would
like
to
reiterate
that
the
provisions
of
section
36
apply
to
master
mediator
properties
only
so
as
there
is
simply
a
flat
amount
rolled
into
the
rent,
as
opposed
to
individually
metered
units,
where
the
tenants
sign
up
with
the
local
utilities
and
receive
individual
utility
bills
which
goes
up
and
down
with
the
season.
I
wish
to
thank
senator
brooks
for
including
this
provision
on
sb
448,
and
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
participate.
K
Will
the
next
caller
the
last
three
digits
of
five
five
zero?
Please
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
may
begin
chair
paris,
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
ann
silver
a-n-n-s-I-l-v-e-r
and
I'm
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
the
reno
sparks
chamber
of
commerce
in
support
of
senate
bill
448,
we
believe,
through
passage
of
this
bill,
nevada
will
establish
a
foundation
for
meeting
its
climate
goals,
help
businesses
reduce
their
carbon
footprint
and
develop
a
sustainable,
robust
and
clean
energy
economy.
K
In
order
to
accommodate
our
increasing
share
of
renewable
energy,
we
must
have
an
updated
transmission
network
building
out
this
network
quickly
and
efficiently
provide
a
boost
to
statewide
commerce.
We
also
support
the
bill's
proposal
to
kick-start
the
investment
in
infrastructure
needed
to
support
clean
electric
vehicles,
buses,
bikes
and
other
modes
of
transportation
by
building
out
a
network
of
charging
stations,
nevada
can
help
more
businesses
and
consumers
make
a
thoughtful
transition
to
electric
cars.
K
Deliberate
and
strategic
placement
of
this
infrastructure
could
help
businesses
as
they
entertain,
feed
and
attract
ev
tourists
who
have
time
for
their
vehicles
to
recharge.
Our
chamber
also
supports
elements
of
this
bill
that
will
align
energy
planning
processes
with
our
state
climate,
strategic
state,
climate
strategy
goal
of
reaching
carbon
free
resources.
K
K
M
Chair
harris
vice
chair,
brooks
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
dylan
sullivan,
spelled
s-u-l-l-I-b-a-n,
I'm
a
senior
scientist
at
the
natural
resources,
defense
council,
an
environmental
group
with
25
000
members
and
activists
in
in
the
state
of
nevada
here
today
to
testify,
in
support
of
senate
bill
448
to
combat
the
air
pollution
that
makes
communities
more
vulnerable
to
coven
19
and
meet
the
state's
goals
for
reductions
of
emissions
of
greenhouse
gases.
M
Nevada
needs
to
quickly
transition
its
transportation
sector
to
zero
emission
vehicles
powered
by
renewable
electricity.
This
is
going
to
require
an
active
partnership
between
the
electric
industry,
labor
and
independent
firms
to
deploy
charging
infrastructure
for
all
types
of
electric
vehicles,
light
medium
and
heavy
duty.
Sb
448
would
jump
start
that
effort
and
require
that
no
less
than
40
percent
of
these
investments
be
made
in
the
historically
underserved
communities
that
have
been
hit
hardest
by
by
the
pandemic
and
are
hit
hardest
by
air
pollution
in
the
state.
M
M
The
legislature
should
take
these
estimates
into
account
because
they
comport
with
what's
already
been
documented
in
the
real
world.
According
to
synapse
energy
economics,
ev
drivers
in
the
two
utility
service
territories
in
the
us,
with
the
most
electric
vehicles,
have
already
contributed
over
806
million
dollars.
A
B
B
The
reason
we're
here
in
technical
opposition-
I
am
cautiously
optimistic-
is
mostly
because
of
the
timeline
we
find
ourselves
in
with
14
days
left
before
signy
die
very
complex
issues,
a
lengthy
bill
and
very
subtle
language
and
we're
concerned
about
unintended
consequences
that
could
be
harmful
to
customers.
We
are
absolutely
supportive
of
transmission,
renewable
energy
and
ev
infrastructure
investments.
B
Nevada's
resort
association
is
a
world-class
leader
in
sustainability,
environmental
protection
and
clean
energy
development.
We
do
not
oppose
the
green
link
transmission
projects
or
the
timeline
that
the
senator
is
proposing
that
they
be
constructed
on
by
2028,
even
though
the
commission
determined
that
construction
of
greenlink
north
would
put
too
much
risk
on
utility
customers.
B
At
this
time
we
have
proposed
clarifying
changes
that
would
not
affect
the
completion
of
these
projects
or
their
timeline
by
2028,
but
would
ensure
that
the
commission
retains
authority
and
regulatory
discretion
to
protect
customers
from
increased
rates
and
making
projects
more
expensive
than
they
need
to
be.
The
utility
talks
about
customer
refunds
in
2020
the
utility
over
earned
during
the
covet
shutdown,
approximately
100
million
dollars
just
for
nevada
power
company.
We
calculate
that,
based
on
their
filings,
which
provides
that
62
million
is
the
customer
share
of
that
50
percent.
B
They
don't
voluntarily
give
those
refunds
back.
Those
refunds
were
fought
for
by
the
bureau
of
consumer
protection
and
by
members
of
the
nra,
who
are
there
representing
all
customers,
including
their
employees,
and
thanks
to
the
commission's
jurisdiction
over
those
issues
to
ensure
that
they
don't
over
collect.
They
are
continuing
to
over
earn,
and
so
the
commission
needs
the
tools
to
keep
an
eye
on
that.
We're
not
saying
that
they
shouldn't
earn
their
return
on
investment
they
should,
but
through
the
irp
process
they
do
get
that
to
cover
her
costs.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
we're
just
concerned
about
eva
infrastructure
and
ensuring
that
any
rate
set
for
the
energy
that's
sent
to
those
units
is
set
in
a
not
in
a
90-day
time
period,
but
in
a
reasonable
proceeding
where
the
pucn
has
the
time
to
make
the
right
decisions.
We
appreciate
the
time
we
appreciate
the
work
and
we
are
hopeful
that
we
can
continue
to
work
with
the
sponsor
to
resolve
the
concerns
and
get
out
of
the
opposition
lane.
Thank
you.
A
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
phone
lines
and
we
have
18
minutes
left
in
opposition
on
the
phone,
and
so
we
should
be
able
to
take
about
nine
callers
if
we
have
them
bps.
If
you
could
pull
the
line,
please.
K
K
K
M
Thank
you,
chair
harris.
My
name
is
patrick
donnelly,
d-o-n-n-e-l-l-y,
I'm
nevada
state
director
at
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
We
are
strong
proponents
of
the
renewable
energy
transition
and
the
complete
decarbonization
of
our
economy,
and
there
are
many
measures
in
this
bill
that
we
do
support,
but
we
must
oppose
sb
448
as
written.
This
bill
takes
a
shoot.
First,
ask
questions
later
approach
with
regard
to
the
deployment
of
transmission
lines
and
large-scale
renewable
energy
production,
sb
448
completely
forgoes
any
level
of
comprehensive
planning
or
environmental
review.
M
Just
since
the
introduction
of
greenlink
west
at
the
puc,
a
dozen
or
more
solar
energy
projects
have
been
proposed
along
its
potential
alignment
and
while
that
may
sound
like
a
good
thing
to
most
people,
there
has
been
done
with
no
planning
at
all
for
where
these
projects
will
go.
In
some
cases,
they
are
cited
in
disastrously,
bad
places
for
wildlife
in
the
environment
or
right
on
the
doorstep
of
national
parks.
M
Nd
energy
is
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
their
decades
of
polluting
our
climate
has
put
us
on
the
brink
of
climate
disaster
and
now
we're
going
to
let
them
be
in
the
driver's
seat.
While
we
try
to
clean
up
their
mess
and
avoid
climate
catastrophe
again,
we
appreciate
some
of
the
elements
of
this
bill,
but
sp
448
will
result
in
significant
harm
to
our
public
lands
and
wildlife,
and
we
must
oppose
we
support
renewable
energy,
but
not
like
this.
M
K
K
My
name
is
kevin
emmerich,
it's
spelled
e-m-m-e-r-I-c-h
and
I'm
representing
a
co-founder
of
a
group
called
basin
and
range
watch,
we're
a
non-profit
organization
that
looks
after
the
deserts
of
nevada
and
california
and
ranges.
We
are
greatly
opposed
to
senate
bill
448.
It
was
just
introduced
on
thursday
and
we
hardly
had
any
time
to
review
this
bill.
It's
designed
to
create
the
big
transmission
center
in
nevada,
but
I
don't
hear
anybody
talking
about
environmental
impacts
or
impacts
communities.
K
I
have
been
told,
for
example,
the
green
west
link
west
project,
which
will
be
over
300
miles
long
and
20
percent
on
private
land
will
actually
require
eminent
domain
for
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
miraloma
area.
We
should
be
talking
about
that.
Do
those
people
even
know
about
this
environmentally
greenlink
west
will
go
near
walker.
Lake
it'll
be
impossible
to
hide
it
in
the
view
and
that's
a
bald
eagle,
wintering
area
and
birds
do
crash
in
the
power
line.
K
That's
a
known
fact
that
happens
all
the
time
we
know
of
an
area
where
this
greenlink
power
line
will
be
built.
That's
in
prong
horn,
breeding
habitats,
near
scotty's,
junction
nevada
power
lines
and
design
like
green
link
with
supporting
guy
wires,
have
been
known
to
decapitate
lard
the
game
like
wild
horses
and
pronghorns
we're
going
to
see
applications
for
solar
next
to
death
valley
national
park
in
areas
where
there
are
the
last
stronghold
of
western
joshua
trees.
M
K
Also
want
to
say
that
transmission
causes
wildfires
and
droughts
and
the
increased
heat
that
we're
seeing
because
of
climate
change.
K
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
just
a
reminder
for
folks
who
are
listening.
If
you
did
not
have
a
chance
to
put
your
position
on
the
record,
please
remember
that
you
can
always
submit
written
comments
to
the
committee.
We
will
post
it
on
nellis
and
the
members
read
it.
At
least,
I
know
some
of
them
do.
A
Okay.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
room
who'd
like
to
testify
in
the
neutral
position.
J
Senator
harris
members
of
committee,
peter
kruger
krueger,
given
the
lateness
of
the
hour
and
my
full
comments
are
on
on
nellis.
I
I
think
it
is
simply
to
say
that
we
in
the
I'm
representing
the
petroleum
marketers
convenience
store
industry
here
in
nevada,
and
we
think
we
are
considered
surrogates
for
the
consumer.
J
If
this
committee
and
senator
brooks
and
the
bill
helps
ensure
that
there
is
a
competitive
and
market
dynamic
governing
refueling,
including
alternatives
like
electricity,
you
will
make
the
transition
more
affordable
and
effective
to
the
public.
We
are
eager
to
work
with
the
bill's
sponsor
and
help
ensuring
that
ev
charging
stations
are
available
to
all
nevadans.
Currently,
three
of
our
members
have
made
private
investments
in
evs
charging
one
rather
large
one,
and
we
we
want
to
continue
that.
Thank
you.
A
K
K
M
While
we
appreciate
the
intent
to
limit
brown
outs
in
urban
areas
across
the
west,
dedicated
funding
for
historically
underserved
communities
and
living
wage
jobs,
we
believe
that
our
transition
to
a
renewable
energy
economy
must
be
just
and
put
people
and
planet
first.
This
transition
must
ensure
distributed
generation
and
provide
for
communities
to
own
their
power.
Not
just
have
access
to
renewable
energy.
M
M
This
bill
would
pave
the
way
for
western
shoshone
and
paiute
lands
across
western
nevada
to
become
a
massive
sacrifice
zone
through
high
voltage
transmission,
structured
to
support
large-scale,
centralized
energy
generation,
and
so
it
is
essential
that
we
include
these
communities
in
the
decision-making
process,
crucial
to
our
transition
to
renewable
energy.
We
need
a
distributed
energy
grid,
which
facilitates
numerous
small
scale.
Generators
cited
on
rooftops
and
pre-destroy
destroyed
areas
such
as
abandoned
mine
lands,
and
we
need
to
allow
communities
to
own
their
power.
M
This
is
essential
to
limiting
sacrifice
zones
and
ensuring
nevadans,
not
not
just
corporations
benefit
from
this
transition.
While
this
bill
mentions
distributed
energies,
the
directive
to
focus
on
high
voltage
transmission
and
large
scale
generation
limits
the
feasibility
of
a
truly
distributed
generation
system.
A
just
transition
to
renew
to
a
renewable
energy
economy
must
shift
us
from
an
extractive
economy
to
a
regenerative
economy
and
address
historic
inequities.
We
urge
you
to
take
these
concerns
into
consideration.
M
K
M
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
this
is
andrew
mckay,
a
and
d
r
e
w
m
a
c
capital
k,
a
y,
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada
franchise,
auto
dealers
association,
where
the
trade
association
represents
new
automobile
heavy
truck
dealerships
across
nevada.
Obviously,
we
are
by
no
means
experts
in
energy
policy.
M
While
our
automobile
manufacturer
manufacturer
partners
have
committed
to
spending
nearly
a
quarter
trillion
dollars
to
develop
and
bring
to
market
new
electric
vehicle
models,
including
18
this
year
and
34
next
year,
and
over
100
different
models
by
2025,
a
robust
charging
infrastructure
will
have
a
positive
impact
on
consumers.
Consideration
of
purchasing
a
newer,
new
and
or
used
electric
vehicle
and
sb
448
will
be
essential
in
making
this
happen.
M
We
our
dealer
members,
have
invested
millions
of
dollars
and
will
invest
millions
more
in
tooling
and
employee
training
related
to
electric
vehicles,
we're
extremely
excited
to
help
bring
more
evs,
both
new
and
used
to
our
customers
and
to
the
market
as
a
whole
and
again
we'd
like
to
thank
senator,
brooks
for
bringing
this
bill
forward,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
him
and
other
interested
parties
in
advancing
the
electrification
of
our
transportation
sector.
You
guys
have
a
nice
evening.
You've
worked
a
long
night.
Thank
you.
K
M
Hi
good
evening,
my
name
is
seth
diaz
good
evening,
chair
harris
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
chargepoint
and
the
resident
of
las
vegas,
I'm
testifying
before
you
in
a
neutral
position
of
sb448
chargepoint
is
a
leading
provider
of
ev
charging
stations
and
network
services
in
north
america
and
the
globe.
Chargepoint's
network
includes
more
than
650
charging
spots
in
nevada.
In
addition
charge
points,
drivers
have
access
to
hundreds
of
additional
charging
ports
in
nevada
through
roaming
agreements,
chargepoint
thanks,
senator
brooks
and
the
bill's
co-authors
and
sponsors
for
considering
transportation
of
electrification.
M
In
this
bill.
We
are
currently
neutral
on
this
bill
seeking
modifications
at
the
moment.
From
chargepoint's
perspective,
we
support
the
efforts
to
accelerate
transportation
electrification.
While
this
bill
recognizes
the
importance
of
a
diversity
and
ownership
of
charging
stations,
we
feel
that
the
bill
could
benefit
by
clarifying
the
mechanisms
to
achieve
this
diversity.
In
ownership,
section
49
retains
the
ev
charging
infrastructure
to
be
developed
between
2022
and
2024.
M
We
request
the
provisions
be
added
to
support
increased
consumer
choice,
competition
and
innovation
in
electric
vehicle
charging
and
private
capital
investment.
This
language
is
already
contained
in
section
14.
It
should
also
be
in
section
49
to
ensure
a
competitive
market
for
eevee
charging
services
is
present
with
these
minor
changes.
We
believe
this
will
allow
electric
vehicle
charging
markets
to
develop
in
a
competitive
matter
attracting
private
capital
which
lower
the
cost
and
the
risk
the
ratepayer.
M
K
K
N
N
The
nature
conservancy
supports
the
new
energy
economy
and
events
and
investments
in
clean
energy,
which
are
necessary
for
addressing
the
urgent
threat
of
climate
change.
We
believe
that
any
scenario
for
energy
build
out
in
nevada
should
include
strategic
implementation
that
allows
for
our
economy
to
thrive
while
balancing
impacts
on
our
ecosystems.
N
This
can
be
done
with
smart
from
the
start
planning.
The
nevada
climate
strategy,
published
in
december
2020
highlighted
the
need
for
smart
from
the
start,
renewable
energy
planning
and
the
complex
challenges
for
nevada
section.
A
smart
from
the
start.
Energy
plan
identifies
and
prioritizes
lower
impact
areas
where
renewable
energy
generation,
storage
and
transmission
can
be
deployed,
while
minimizing
impacts
to
natural
lands,
cultural
resources,
recreation
and
other
conservation
values.
N
Such
a
process
generates
value
for
all
parties
by
harnessing
knowledge
from
diverse
stakeholders.
Synthesizing
this
knowledge
improves
planning,
permitting
coordination
and
implementation
decisions
and
increases
the
odds
that
renewable
projects
will
minimize
costs.
Maximize,
maximize
economic
benefits
and
prevent
avoidable
mistakes
want
to
alert
the
committee
to
our
written
testimony.
It
describes
the
benefits
of
a
smart
from
the
start
approach
to
energy
planning
and
offers
recommendations
for
next
steps.
We
can
take
to
ensure
that
we
deploy
energy
resources
in
a
way
that
minimizes
adverse
impacts
for
both
people
and
nature.
Thank
you
for
consideration
of
our
comments.
A
And
bps
before
we
take
the
next
caller,
I'm
going
to
have
to
put
a
pause
on
this
hearing
and
invite
vice
chair
brooks
back
up
to
do
the
work
session
very
quickly,
so
that
members
who
have
pressing
issues
can
depart
if
they
absolutely
need
to.
A
All
right
so
I'm
gonna
recess
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
448
and
open
up
sorry
miss
school.
I
didn't
give
you
much
of
a
warning
and
open
up
the
work
session
on
senate
bill,
424
442.,
so
close,
miss
school.
If
you
could
just
run
us
through
that
very
quickly,
please.
B
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Not
so
much
questions
just
a
comment,
while
I'm
certainly
in
agreement
that
we
don't
want
to
make
it
so
that
every
building
we
build
now
now
that
we're
adopting
the
new
iecc,
it
sounds
like
statewide,
although
that's
a
local,
designation
or
a
local
decision.
I
What
I
would
I
just
can't
get
comfortable
with
is
we're
eliminating
what
has
been
a
very
successful
program
to
develop
energy
efficient
buildings,
we're
eliminating
the
incentive
without
putting
a
new
one
in
its
place.
I'm
really
concerned
that
this
is
going
to
stall
it,
so
I'm
going
to
vote
no
because
I'm
not
comfortable
with
it.
Although
I
support
the
the
the
idea,
I
may
change
on
the
floor,
but
I'll
be
a
note
tonight.
A
Any
further
discussion
or
questions
on
the
bill
senator
brooks.
A
A
Okay
at
this
time,
I
will
accept
a
motion
to
amend
the
due
pass.
A
K
M
M
We
feel
it
is
premature
for
the
legislature
to
weigh
in
on
the
policy
prior
to
the
justices
ruling
on
the
issue.
We're
also
concerned
with
the
precedent
it
sets
for
the
legislature
to
adopt
policies
that
are
subject
of
active
appeals
being
considered
by
the
nevada
supreme
court.
It's
our
hope
that
the
legislature
legislature
will
wait
and
determine
what
the
supreme
court
concludes
prior
to
taking
action
on
this
particular
issue,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
That
concludes
my.
K
M
Hello,
I'm
not
a
committee.
This
is
john
hatter
h-a-d-d-e-r.
I
am
the
director
of
great
basin
resource
watch.
We
are
testifying
as
neutral.
M
The
general
public
has
had
very
little
time
to
consider
the
contents
of
this
bill
before
this
hearing,
so
sbe
448
needed
more,
encompassing
inclusive
process,
especially
when
the
contents
of
the
bill
will
affect
frontline
extraction
communities.
We
are
in
a
precarious
position
of
needing
to
take
prompt
and
swift
action
to
try
to
restore
the
climate
balance.
M
Largely
these
actions
focus
on
reducing
the
fusion
of
greenhouse
gases,
mostly
from
the
burning
of
fossil
fuels.
Electrical
generation
and
transportation
represent
roughly
25
and
27
percent,
respectively
of
greenhouse
gas
contributions
in
the
united
states.
Therefore,
shifting
these
sectors
aggressively
away
from
fossil
fuels,
which
is
inherent
in
sb-448,
and
a
move
to
renewable
energy
and
electrification
transportation.
A
transition
using
new
technology
materials
is
at
hand.
M
What
is
being
envisioned
is
a
massive
increase
in
mining
for
these
new
materials,
so
the
expansion
of
existing
mines
and
development
of
many
new
mines
goes
hand
in
hand
with
aggressive
renewable
energy
gold
and
electrical
vehicle
deployment.
In
the
absence
of
other
policies
to
reduce
demand
and
reuse
materials,
large-scale
mining
is
very
destructive
to
natural
ecosystems
and
often
disrupted
to
host
this
composting
community
metals
mining
is
one
of
the
world's
dirtiest
industries
responsible
for
10
of
global
change
impacts
according
to
united
nations
environmental
program,
great
basin
resource
watch
does
support
transitioning
from
fossil
fuel
vehicles.
M
However,
the
deployment
needs
to
be
done
judiciously.
Electric
vehicles,
like
other
technologies,
are
going
to
require
increased
demand
for
many
materials
like
lithium,
cobalt,
nickel,
rare
ears
and
so
on.
Currently,
there
is
no
plan
to
address
the
inequity
of
front
line
communities
that
will
shoulder
the
effects
of
mining
for
these
materials
factor
path
is
a
good
example
of
pressure
on
front
front-line
communities.
Those
communities
are
asking:
what
is
the
sacrifice
that
the
quote-unquote.
M
Up
please
great
base
and
resource.
Yes,
thank
you.
Great
base
and
resource
watch
is
calling
for
a
just
transition
from
both
environmental
justice
and
climate
justice
perspectives.
It
would
seem
better
to
aggressively
develop
our
public
transit,
otherwise
minimize
vehicle
miles
traveled,
particularly
passenger
vehicles,
in
decreased
demand
for
materials
and
extraction.
This
way
we
will
decrease
greenhouse
gases.
K
M
Good
evening,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
chelsea
hand
c-h-e-l-s-e-y
h-a-n-d,
I'm
the
outreach
and
program
coordinator
for
great
basin
resource
watch
and
while
our
transition
is
neutral,
we
see
a
lot
of
shortcomings
of
sb
448.
First
of
all,
the
lack
of
emphasis
on
public
transit
and
other
vote
impact
modes
of
transit.
There
is
no
mention
of
investment
to
decrease
vehicle
miles
travel.
There
should
be
an
emphasis
on
how
to
get
people
away
from
single
car
occupancy.
M
M
M
According
to
a
recent
report
sponsored
by
earthworks,
third,
the
lack
of
emphasis
on
distributed
generation
distributed
generation
is
more
in
the
public
interest
interest
by
using
already
disturbed
land.
It's
more
energy
efficient,
since
the
electricity
is
used
close
to
the
demand
minimizing
transmission
losses.
M
M
K
K
A
All
right,
thank
you,
I'll
bring
it
back
here
into
the
room.
Senator
brooks
if
you'd
like
to
make
any
closing
comments
before
we
close
out
this
hearing.
C
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
the
committee
members
for
giving
this
such
a
thorough
and
comprehensive
hearing,
and
and
and
I
urge
your
support.
A
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
448
and
I'll.
Kick
it
back
over
to
you
broadcast
to
see
if
there's
anyone
who'd
like
to
submit
any
public
comment.
K
K
A
All
right,
we
will
most
likely
have
a
committee
meeting
on
may
19th
at
3
30
pm.
Let's
all
plan
to
be
here
if,
for
some
reason
floor
has
to
run
long,
we
may
cancel
or
have
to
adjust
our
time.
So
please
be
patient
with
us
as
we
attempt
to
process
bills
for
the
rest
of
the
session
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned.