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A
Okay,
hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
senate
committee
on
health
and
human
services
for
march
23rd,
starting
at
3
34
pm,
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
with
roll
call.
I'd
like
to
note
for
the
record
that
senators
kieker
hardy
harris
and
myself
senator
ratty
are
here
and
please
mark
senator
spearman
present
as
she
arrives,
we're
going
to
hear
four
bills
today,
it's
going
to
be
a
busy
busy
session
for
us
for
those
who
are
following
along
the
order
of
the
bill.
A
Presentations
will
be
ab62,
then
sb,
188,
then
sb,
205
and
then
sb
211
for
anybody
in
the
public,
who's
still
learning
how
to
navigate
the
state
legislature
and
particularly
the
state
legislature.
When
the
building
is
closed,
there
are
many
ways
that
you
can
participate.
These
will
all
be
hearings
and,
at
the
end
of
each
bill,
we'll
take
public
testimony
and
support
opposition
and
neutral
if
you're
interested
in
participating
in
that,
please
make
sure
you
get
online
and
register
there's
a
help
tab
on
the
every
page
of
the
legislative
website.
A
You
can
also
submit
written
comment
and
you
can
also
use
our
opinion
poll,
which
you
can
also
find
at
that
help
tab
with
that.
I
think
we
are
in
good
shape.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
hearing
on
ab62
and
welcomes
our
state
treasurer
zach
connine
to
the
virtual
dice.
B
Thank
you,
chair
ready
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I'm
zach
conan
and
I
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
as
your
nevada
state
treasurer
very
excited
to
be
here
this
afternoon
to
present
assembly
bill
62,
which
helps
to
innovate
and
strengthen
nevada's
able
savings
program
to
ensure
that
nevadans
with
disabilities
have
the
opportunity
to
save
for
a
better
future,
broadly
speaking,
able
accounts
or
tax
event
event,
advantaged
savings
accounts
that
allow
people
with
disabilities
to
earn
and
save
money
without
losing
access
to
vital
benefit
programs
like
medicaid
and
social
security.
B
By
making
these
tax-free
savings
accounts
available
to
individuals
to
cover
qualified
disability
related
expenses
for
things
like
education,
housing
and
transportation.
This
program
aims
to
ease
the
financial
burden
faced
by
people
with
disabilities,
who
are
the
most
underemployed
demographic
group
in
our
state.
In
the
2019
legislative
session,
our
office
worked
with
assemblywoman
cohen
in
the
division
of
aging
and
disability
services
to
pass
ab130
which
moved
the
entire
able
savings
program
into
the
treasurer's
office.
B
The
provisions
of
ab62
would
make
nevada
the
first
state
in
the
country
to
find
innovative
ways
to
incentivize
people
with
disabilities
to
open
these
accounts
and
build
up
account
balances
to
ensure
that
every
nevada
has
the
opportunity
to
save
money
and
earn
a
living,
regardless
of
their
abilities.
I'll
now
pass
it
over
to
eric
menez
our
senior
deputy
treasurer
to
walk
the
committee
through
the
specifics
of
this
bill,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have
as
an
aside.
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
treasurer,
for
the
record,
madam
chair
eric
commanders
with
the
state
treasurer's
office.
I
just
want
to
highlight
how
important
this
program
has
been
since
we
last
came
before
this
committee
two
years
ago,
when
we
started
this
program
and
right
as
we
took
it
over
from
aging
and
disability
services,
there
was
a
under
200
accounts.
Now
we're
we're
closing
in,
I
think
on.
1100
1200
accounts
with
zero
dollars
from
the
general
funds.
C
C
Many
of
you
on
this
committee
know
that
there
are
asset
and
resource
limits
based
on
certain
programs
for
medicaid,
ssi
and
ssdi,
that
prohibit
a
person
from
saving
earning
a
living
and
really
providing
a
pathway
out
of
poverty
for
people
who
have
disabilities
and
when
we're
talking
about
people
who
qualify
for
able
accounts,
we're
primarily
talking
about
people
with
developmental
disabilities,
intellectual
disabilities,
so
long-term
disabilities
that
significantly
hinder
one's
ability
to
to
live
life
and
they
have
other
expenses.
C
So
this
bill
before
you,
it's
a
pretty
simple
bill,
but
I
think
it'll
be
super.
Super
impactful.
C
When
I
talk
to
families
every
single
day
as
we're
setting
up
accounts,
the
biggest
barrier
we
have
to
opening
new
accounts
is
that
the
person
or
individual
or
their
guardian
or
caregiver
doesn't
have
the
initial
funds
to
open
the
account.
So
right
now,
I
believe
it's
50
or
25
to
open
an
account
and
oftentimes
the
person,
because
they're
on
fixed
income
doesn't
have
extra
resources
to
open
that
account.
C
So
simply
this
bill
would
allow
us
to
go
out,
seek
federal
grants,
donations
and
other
sources
of
money
to
establish
a
method
similar
to
what
we
do
for
college
kickstart
to
incentivize
the
opening
of
an
account.
So
essentially,
how
that
would
work
is
we
would
craft
regulations
and
then
the
person
who
would
be
looking
to
open
that
account
could
come
to
our
office,
say
I'd
like
to
open
an
able
account.
We
could
seed
that
account
with
an
initial
contribution,
we're
thinking
anywhere
from
50
to
100.
C
It's
really
just
dependent
on
how
much
we
can
raise
in
federal
funds
or
in
gifts,
grants
and
donations,
and
then
that
person
could
start
saving.
I
think
part
two
of
this
bill,
which
I
think
is
important
and
where
we
want
to
go
with
the
program
as
as
we
continue
to
grow,
it
is,
if
we
can,
you
know,
get
enough
resources
for
the
program
or
maybe
in
a
future
legislative
session.
If
we,
if
the
legislature
determines
that
it
is
worthy
of
a
general
fund
appropriation,
how
can
we
also
encourage
people
to
maximize
their
savings?
C
So
as
we
see
that
account
with
an
initial
contribution,
how
can
we
encourage
someone
to
develop
regular
savings
and
habits
and
then
incentivize
them
through
other
matching
contributions
or
those
sorts
of
things?
So
we
would
be
the
first
state
in
the
country
to
do
something
like
this,
but
I
think
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
with
our
college
kickstart
program,
which
allows
which
gives
fifty
dollars
to
every
kindergartner
in
nevada,
and
I
think,
if
we
replicate
a
similar
model,
we
could
see
a
lot
of
success
here.
C
So
that's
it
for
our
presentation,
madam
chair,
but
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions
from
the
committee.
A
Thank
you,
mr
jimenez,
and
again
my
congratulations
to
you
for
being
able
to
grow
this
program
so
significantly
we're
we're
really
chuffed
at
the
work
you've
been
doing
over
there
all
right
members.
A
E
E
E
F
E
F
Good
afternoon
this
is
bailey
bortlen
b-o-r-t-o-l-I-n,
representing
the
nevada
coalition
of
legal
service
providers.
We
just
wanted
to
echo
our
support
and
appreciate
the
treasure
treasurer's
office
work
on
this
matter,
a
lot
of
the
vulnerable
youth
that
we
work
with
rely
on
these
able
accounts
and
have
been
able
to
utilize
them
more
and
more
in
the
last
few
years.
So
we
continue.
E
E
E
A
B
A
Great
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward
treasurer.
We
appreciate
seeing
you
today
with
that.
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
ab
62
and
check
in
with
senator
spearman
who
has
joined
us
senator
spearman.
Are
you
ready
to
present
sb
188
and
do
you
have
all
the
presenters
that
you
need
yes,
ma'am
fantastic,
then
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
hearing
on
sb
188
and
invite
senator
spearman
to
the
dice
okeydoke.
G
G
G
G
In
addition,
credit
and
debt
are
significant
problems.
Nearly
one
in
three
consumers
with
a
credit
card
debt
borrows
more
than
75
percent
of
his
or
her
total
credit
limit,
and
one
in
four
nevadans
has
an
account
in
collections
and
this
information.
Although
current,
I
don't
believe
this
information
takes
into
account
the
financial
abyss
that
most
of
our
neighbors
are
in
because
of
the
pandemic
class.
Credit
and
debt
issues
can
lead
to
other
harmful
financial
decisions
such
as
relying
too
heavily
on
alternative
or
predatory
financial
products.
G
That
means
that,
despite
having
a
checking
savings
checking
savings
account,
they
rely
on
non-bank,
alternative
financial
services
like
check
cashers
and
payday
lenders
or
pawn
shops
to
make
ends
meet
senate
bill.
188
aims
to
help
low-income
nevadans,
accumulate
assets
and
become
more
financially
literate
and
achieve
specific
financial
goals.
G
G
Enhanced
financial
capabilities
will
enable
ida
participants
to
improve
their
overall
financial
well-being
and
build
a
foundation
and
build
a
foundation
for
continued
economic
growth
and
realize
a
new
level
of
security
back
on
in
difficult
times-
and
madam
sheriff,
I
might
say
this,
this
bill
was
incepted
from
the
idea.
When
I
was
younger.
There
was
a
time
when
we
lived
in
what
they
used
to
call
the
projects,
and
the
one
thing
that
I
remember
is
that
you
couldn't
earn
more
than
a
certain
amount
of
money
or
you
would
lose
your
eligibility.
G
You
couldn't
have
a
car
that
was,
you
know
like
two
years
old.
You
always
had
to
have
a
hooptie,
and
so
you
know
most
of
that
hasn't
changed
now
and
so
the
the
programs,
the
social
service
programs.
Many
of
them
are
not
designed
to
give
people
a
hand
up
they're
really
designed
to
create
generational
poverty,
and
so
this
bill
really
came
out
of
the
desire
to
say
they
need
those
who
are
in
in
public
or
assisted
housing.
They
need
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
save
without
losing
their
eligibility
for
social
services.
G
Then
the
other
thing
I
got
to
thinking
about
children
in
foster
care-
and
I
asked
somebody
I
think
it
was
when
I
was
cheering
hhs
ask
them.
I
said
so.
What
happens
when
when
they
turn
18
and
the
answer
was
they're
out
of
the
system?
Well,
is
it
out
of
the
system
in
30
days?
Is
it
out
of
the
system
in
a
year?
G
What
is
it
they're
out
of
the
system,
and
so
I
cannot
imagine
being
an
18
year
old
that
has
had
a
childhood
that
has
either
been
totally
in
the
foster
care
system,
and
that
means
never
adopted
or
never
taken
in
as
a
foster
child
or
having
spent
four
or
five
different
times
in
different
households.
I
can't
imagine
what
that
feels
like
to
be
18
on
your
own,
and
you
have
nothing.
G
The
program
is
based
on
a
similar
initiative
in
oregon,
although
I
never
knew
about
oregon,
but
once
we
got
started,
I
said
great
minds
must
work
alike.
Sections
15-25
require
the
office
of
the
state
treasurer
to
solicit
grants,
gifts
and
donations
to
carry
out
the
program
and
to
establish
the
program.
If
sufficient
money
is
obtained,
that's
important
because
there
are
other
parts
of
the
this
bill.
G
You'll
see
in
several
sections,
particularly
section
9
you'll,
see
where
it
talks
about
money,
and
I
understand
where
we
are
right
now
in
in
our
financial
situation
here
in
nevada.
So
this
is
all
predicated
upon
having
the
money
to
get
this
done.
But
it
is
my
hope
and
my
belief
that
once
we
set
this
program
up,
there
will
be
other
people
who
will
want
to
help
their
neighbors
section.
G
If
they
are,
if
they're
in
subsidized
housing,
if
they're
in
foster
care,
wherever
they
are,
they
they
have
access
to
the
financial
literacy
classes,
courses
that
will
help
them
not
just
get
out
of
poverty,
but
help
them
save
so
that
they
can
remain
sufficient
wealth
sufficient
for
the
rest
of
their
life,
hopefully
no
more
pandemics.
G
If
the
program
is
established,
section
21
provides
qualif
qualifying
criteria
to
be
an
account
holder.
Specifically,
a
person
must
be
a
resident
of
nevada,
12
years
of
age
or
older,
and
that's
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
got
children
in
the
foster
care
system
young
enough,
so
that
their
ida
program
would
be
able
to
grow
and
at
the
time
they
were
18.
G
Sections
2,
36
and
38
prohibit
medicaid
local
housing
authorities
and
the
nevada
rule
housing
authority
respectively.
From
considering
the
money
deposited
into
their
individual
development
account
to
be
income
when
determining
a
person's
eligibility.
For
the
respective
programs
again,
this
is
really
designed
specifically
to
help
people
who
are
in
government
subsidize
housing
to
to
help
foster
children
when
they
get
18
that
they
all
can
be
financially
stable
when
they
want
to
a
lot
of
times.
G
People
would
like
to
buy
a
house,
but
you
know,
if
you're,
in
a
program
that
says
you
can't
have
more
than
a
thousand
dollars
in
a
bank,
you
know
a
year
well,
most
most
down
payments
are
like
five
thousand
dollars.
So
if
you
can
never
save
that,
you're
always
going
to
be
in
that
housing
situation
and
and
for
for
for
foster
care
children.
You
know
what
this
really
does.
Is
it
says
to
if
they're
in
a
foster
home,
then
the
foster
parents
can
set
it
up,
but
this
is
for
the
foster
child.
G
G
Finally,
section
33
requires
the
state
treasurer
to
ensure
that
instruction
and
training
in
business
opportunities
and
any
benefits
available
to
certain
business
enterprises
are
provided
to
tenants
of
local
housing
authorities,
the
nevada
rule,
housing
authority
and
certain
non-profit
to
help
the
treasurer
accomplish
the
goals
in
senate
bill
188,
section
32
authorizes
the
the
office
of
the
state
treasurer
to
appoint
and
employ
a
deputy
of
financial
literacy
and
security.
And
again
madam
sharon
committee
members,
this
is
provided.
Funds
are
available.
G
G
We're
looking
at
people
who
desire
to
be
other
than
where
they
are
in
the
social
strata
and,
as
I
said
before,
we
have
a
moral
obligation
to
make
sure
that
people
who
want
to
do
this.
People
who
are
in
in
public
or
subsidized
housing,
can
save
to
purchase
a
home
or
perhaps
they
want
to
save
and
start
a
small
business
and
then
employ
somebody
else
and
and
for
foster
for
children
in
foster
care
once
they
age
out
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
for
them
and
that's
what
this
program
does.
G
The
best
thing
we
can
do
for
them
is
to
help
them
save
money
so
that
when
they're
18
and
help
them
understand
how
to
use
money
and
not
how
to
abuse
money,
because
so
so
many
not
used
to
money.
If
they're
not
taught
how
to
do
this,
then
they
might
blow
it.
You
know
when
I
was
when
I
was
a
kid
and
I
got
my
my
allowance.
This
is
long
long
ago
and
far
far
away
right
after
the
dinos,
my
dad
gave
us
like
five
dollars.
G
I
think
it
was
a
week
and
most
of
most
of
my
siblings,
their
allowance
would
be
gone
in
like
three
days,
and
I
guess
I
was
somewhat
of
a
loan
shark
at
that
time,
because
they'd
always
come
to
me,
you
know
patty,
can
you
can
you
buy?
No,
I
sure
can't.
I
know
you
got
money
nope.
I
sure
can't-
and
I
say,
okay
I'll,
give
you
50
cents,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
pay
me
75
back
and
sometimes
they
were
desperate
enough
so
that
that
would
help
will
happen.
G
What
this
program
is
designed
to
do
is
to
teach
people
how
to
become
financially
independent,
it's
not
a
hand
out,
but
it's
a
hand
up
so
many
times.
I
hear
people
say
well,
you
ought
to
you
got
to
lift
yourself
up
by
your
bootstraps
and
I
say
some
people
don't
even
have
boots.
Some
people
only
have
chucks
some
people,
you
know,
barely
have
socks.
G
And
so
this
is
an
opportunity
for
them
to
do
just
that,
and
I
believe
that
we
have
representatives
from
the
treasurer's
office
and
department
of
health
and
human
services
available
for
more
information
and
for
questioning
and
so
treasurer
conan.
B
Thank
you
senator
thank
you,
chair,
ready
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
Again,
I'm
zach
conan
and
I
still
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
as
your
nevada
state
treasurer
as
senator
spearman
alluded
to
in
her
testimony.
Individual
development
accounts
or
idas
are
matched
savings
accounts
that
allow
residents
with
lower
income
to
save
for
the
fine
goals
without
losing
access
to
essential
programs
like
medicaid
and
low-income
housing
services
throughout
the
country.
B
Ida's
have
helped
to
increase
the
financial
literacy
and
management
skills
for
people
in
disadvantaged
communities,
while
also
helping
to
build
pathways
out
of
poverty.
We
know
that
looking
at
ida
programs
around
the
country,
participants
in
ida
programs
are
35
percent,
more
likely
to
own
a
home
twice
as
likely
to
attend
an
institution
of
higher
learning
and
84
percent,
more
likely
to
start
a
business
in
the
treasurer's
office.
As
you
just
heard,
we
currently
manage
the
nevada
able
savings
program
which
allows
people
who
are
differently
able
to
save
money
without
losing
access
to
much
needed
benefits.
B
Sb
188
would
further
that
work.
The
work
that
we're
already
doing
to
help
marginalized
group
gain
gains
access
to
financial
vehicles.
They
need
to
advance
their
economic
mobility
in
a
state
of
the
state
address
governor
sysolak
emphasized
the
importance
that
increasing
nevada's
share
of
federal
grant
funding
will
play
in
our
economic
recovery.
By
directing
our
office
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
department
of
health
and
human
services,
we
can
identify
sources
of
grant
funding
necessary
to
ensure
that
nevada's
lower
income
residents
have
the
tools
they
need
to
be
a
major
part
of
our
economic
recovery.
B
In
addition
to
bringing
more
federal
dollars
back
home
to
nevada,
we
can
also
work
to
stand
up
a
vital
savings
option,
tenants
of
low-income
housing,
medicaid
recipients
and
foster
youth
across
nevada
need.
I
want
to
thank
senator
spearman
for
bringing
this
legislation
and
I'd
also
like
to
pass
it
off
to
our
senior
deputy
eric
jimenez,
who
can
go
over
some
of
the
more
technical
details.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
mr
treasurer.
Madam
chair
eric
jimenez
for
the
record.
Again,
I
think
my
friend
from
senate
district
one
did
a
pretty
good
walk
through
of
the
bill.
Just
for
the
committee's
edification,
there
are
42
states
who
have
an
ida
program
in
some
shape
or
form.
Typically
how
these
programs
work
is
that
a
state
entity,
a
board
or
commission
or
an
agency
will
work
with
a
network
of
non-profits
which
are
defined
as
fiduciaries
under
the
bill
to
administer
market
and
do
outreach
for
these
programs.
C
Contributions
that
are
that
are
set
up
by
an
individual
who
signs
up
for
an
ida
are
then
matched
to
a
certain
dollar
amount,
because
the
idea
here
is
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
help
an
individual
save
for
a
defined
goal
like
education
or
housing,
or
buying
a
new
car
to
help
them
get
to
work,
but
making
those
dollars
go
further.
So
if
we
just
allow
the
the
money
from
the
contributor
itself,
those
dollars
don't
go
as
far.
Obviously
the
state
has
oversight
over
those
accounts.
C
Just
like
our
office
would
do
with
any
other
program
that
we
have
and
then
those
non-profit
fiduciaries
help
to
provide
financial
literacy
services
to
the
individuals
who
need
it.
I
do
think
one
element
of
the
bill
that
wasn't
really
talked
about
as
much
in
senator
spearman's.
Testimony
is
section
six.
I
think
pre-pandemic
and
post-pandemic.
C
Low-Income
individuals
have
struggled
especially
with
the
effects
of
coven
19,
and
I
think
the
state
needs
to
develop
some
sort
of
body
or
framework
to
make
sure
that
we
can
help
individuals.
You
know
meet
them
where
they
are
and
help
them
develop
strategies
and
the
have
the
tools
necessary
to
achieve
financial
independence.
I
think
all
of
us
can
agree.
You
know,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
help.
C
Someone
save
and
get
out
of
poverty
is
really
really
important,
and
I
think
the
the
commission
that
the
senator
is
is
bringing
up
here
is
a
really
good
effort
and
I
think
we've
been
working
on
bills.
You
know
for
racial
justice
and
economic
mobility
and
I
think,
interact
agency
collaboration
is
going
to
be
necessary
to
do
that.
So
we're
really
really
excited
about
the
opportunity
for
this.
I
would
note
that
a
number
of
states
use
different
vehicles
to
fund
idas.
C
So
when
we
talk
about
what
money
might
be
out
there
about,
10
states
use
general
funds
for
their
ida
programs
about
15
states
use
tanf
funds
to
help
support
their
ida
programs.
Five
states
use
their
cdbg
funds
and
two
states
use
housing,
trust
funds.
So
I
know
that
senator
ratty's
had
some
conversations
on.
How
can
we
expand
our
affordable
housing,
trust
and
those
sorts
of
programs?
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
federal
vehicles
that
we
can
help
to
get
this
program
off
the
ground.
C
But
with
that
you
know,
I
think
we're
happy
to
answer
any
technical
questions.
If
the
committee
has
them.
A
Thank
you
senator
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
to
the
treasurer
and
you
again,
chief
or
deputy
jiminez,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
today.
Madam.
G
Chair
for
your
help,
I
had
two
more
people
to
speak
to
them.
I
have
someone
is
here
from
department
of
health
and
human
services,
and
I
also
have
former
commissioner
lawrence
weekley
from
clark
county
on.
So
if
we
could
get
them
and
then
ask
ask
the
questions,
so
we
have
a
total
picture.
A
Is
that
correct
looks
like
it
might
be,
beth
handler
this
is
beth
handler
deputy
director
department
of
health
and
human
services,
and
actually
we
have
catherine
ruth
who
is
the
deputy
administrator
at
the
division
of
child
and
family
services.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
regarding
this
bill,
but
catherine
is
on,
thank
you.
Third
time's
the
charge
charm,
ms
roose.
A
Catherine
is
for
the
record,
I'm
just
here
to
answer
questions
if
anyone
has
any
questions
around
the
foster
care
portion
of
the
bill
all
right,
so,
mrs,
why
don't
we
keep
you
on
hold
and
we'll
go
to
commissioner
weekly.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
madame
beshear,
first
of
all,
let
me
preference
my
testimony
or
my
support
for
sb
188
by
saying
this.
First
of
all,
senator
raddy
I've
been
a
long
time
fan
of
us
for
a
long
time,
and
I
appreciate
just
your
leadership
and
all
your
great
work
that
you've
done
here
in
the
great
state
of
havana.
H
Secondly,
I'd
like
to
begin
by
thanking
my
dear
friend
senator
spearman,
so
very
much
for
bringing
this
forward
anytime.
You
start
talking
about
anything
dealing
with
foster
care,
and
you
know
young
people
in
the
system
and
especially
those
who
are
aging
out
it's
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
senator
bradley
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
a
native
nevadan.
H
I
was
one
that
was
born
into
the
system
here
on
senator
raddy
as
an
infant
as
a
newborn
I'm
at
two
days
old.
I
was
turned
over
to
the
foster
care
system
as
of
today
because
of
the
great
state
of
nevada
and
the
village
concept.
There
were
people
in
this
state.
There
were
social
workers
who
cared
for
me,
senator
ratty,
when
I
didn't
have
a
family
to
call
my
own.
H
Let
me
tell
you
something:
it
actually
put
me
in
counseling
I'll
disclose
that
for
the
record,
because
I
didn't
have
a
first
name
and
it
devastated
me
as
a
grown
adult
man
as
a
county
commissioner,
I
cried
like
a
baby
realizing
that
I
came
into
the
world
with
no
identity,
and
so
I
say
all
that
to
you
and
the
committee
today
to
say
when
you
think
of
these
young
people
who
have
gone
through
this
traumatic
system
who
didn't
ask
to
come
into
this
world,
but
yet
many
of
them
have
been
tossed
from
household
a
household,
many
of
them
whom
have
not
been
able
to
receive
that
parental
love.
H
My
story
today
is
not
dramatic,
where
I'm
talking
to
you
senator
raddy
and
members
of
the
committee
that
I
was
traumatized
or
I
was
abused
or
anything.
I
had
two
loving
parents
who
could
not
afford
to
have
their
own
child.
They
didn't
have
the
ability
to
have
their
own
child,
and
so
they
adopted
and
that's
where
my
life
became
whole.
H
Unfortunately,
senator
raddy,
my
parents
divorced
when
I
was
seven
years
old,
my
mother,
she
ended
up
and
she
ended
up
having
to
go
to
government
assistance
because
of
the
abuse
that
she
endured.
But
lo
and
behold
she
loves
me
so
much
that
she
didn't
put
me
back
into
the
system.
I
didn't
find
out
that
I
was
adopted
until
I
was
almost
a
teenager,
and
so
I
say
all
that
to
say
this.
I
am
currently
in
a
doctoral
program
where
I'm
writing.
H
We
call
the
real
world
what
another
feather
in
the
camp
for
the
state
of
nevada-
and
I
just
ask
each
of
you
on
this
committee
to
please
consider
this.
This
bill,
sb
188
speaks
volumes
to
who
we
are
as
nevadans
that
we
do
care.
I
am
an
original
and
native
combatant.
I
was
a
doc.
I
was
born
in
in
southern
nevada,
but
I
lived
in
northern
nevada,
and
so
you
know
I
I
served
on
naco,
where
I
got
a
chance
to
make
a
lot
of
friends
in
rural
nevada.
H
H
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
weekly,
for
spending
your
time
with
us
here
today
and
I'll
just
say.
Thank
you
for
sharing
about
your
counseling.
We
work
very
hard
in
this
committee
to
destigmatize
mental
health
and
mental
health
treatment,
so
that's
an
important
lift
for
us
and
also
that
that's
one
thing
that
we
share
in
common.
I
too
was
adopted
when
I
was
five
days
old
and
I
have
my
birth
certificate
from
washoe
county.
A
That
just
says
that
I
was
born
in
a
house
in
washoe
county,
but
I
was
one
of
the
lucky
ones
to
win
the
lottery
and
have
a
set
of
adoptive
parents
who
have
just
been
phenomenal
in
my
life,
but
I
know
that
not
all
children
are
as
lucky
as
I
was,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
spending
some
of
your
afternoon
with
us
to
lift
up
this
issue.
Thank
you.
H
A
You
bet
so
with
that.
I
know
the
committee
still
has
questions
about,
I'm
sure
not
the
spirit
of
the
bill,
but
more
the
details
of
the
bill
and
it
looks
like
senator
hardy
has
his
hand
up
first,
so
senator
hardy.
Please
go
ahead.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
you're,
absolutely
right!
It's
the
details
that
I'm
curious
about.
I
mean
this
sounds
wonderful
and
it's
obviously
been
done
someplace
else,
so
it
must
work.
So
my
I'm
just
going
to
list
my
questions.
I
The
setting
up
supervisory
entity
is
that
in
the
state
purview
and
so
do
we
create
a
new
entity
to
do
that.
The
three
thousand
dollars
that's:
is
it
ever
taxed
when
it's
taken
out
and
who
is
the
donor,
and
if
the
donor
is
incentivized
to
donate
to
this,
do
they
get
a
tax
write-off
of
some
kind.
A
G
Let
me
let
me
just
answer
for
the
donors
and
whether
or
not
they
get
incentivized
last
session.
When
we
had
the
bill,
we
had
a
one-to-one
or
three
to
one
match
from
the
general
budget
from
the
general
fund.
G
This
time
we
took
it
out
and
as
money
is
available
and-
and
I
would
say
in
terms
of
being
incentivized,
there's
probably
not
a
time
that
I
have
watched
tv
after
nine
o'clock
that
I
didn't
see-
saint
jude's
children's
hospital
somebody
asking
for
money
so
that
animals
have
been
abused.
I
mean
they're
they're
out
there
and
people,
people
who
see
the
worth
of
this
can
and
probably
will,
especially
in
light
of
what
happened
in
the
pandemic,
the
other
technical
things
in
terms
of
setting
it
up.
G
I
think
that's
in
the,
I
think,
that's
in
the
treasures
will
house.
A
And
then
the
taxability
question,
I
don't
believe
these
funds
are
tax
deferred
to
begin
with,
so
I
don't
know
why
they
would
be
taxable
on
the
way
out,
but
treasurer
conan.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well.
C
Thanks
senator
eric
committed
for
the
record,
I
believe
that
is
the
case.
Senator
there
are
some
federal
statutes
governing
idas,
but
I'm
happy
to
double
check
for
the
committee
and
get
that
answer
confirmed.
I
Sure
so,
as
I
understand
it,
then
the
treasurer
is
going
to
do
this.
The
three
thousand
dollars
is
probably
never
taxed
by
the
people
who
have
been
the
recipients
of
it.
The
donors
could
be
anybody
that
wants
to
do
something
good
in
the
world
and
but
not
the
general
fund.
From
what
I
understand,
because
that
was
taken
out
from
before
and
then
so.
I
The
match
portion,
which
would
be
five
to
one
in
the
bill,
is
matched
by
these
donations.
I
Where
money
is
available
through
gifts,
gifts,
grants
and
donations,
and
then,
when
the
person
moves
out
of
the
housing
tenant,
because
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
this,
they
have
to
be
a
resident
at
least
12
years
or
older,
and
a
tenant
of
a
housing
project
or
persons
of
low
income.
If
they
move
out
of
that,
do
they
are?
Do
they
no
longer
have
the
opportunity
to
have
the
matched
funds
go
into
it?.
G
Someone
is
in
subsidized
housing
and
they
live
in
a
low
wealth
community.
They
would
like
to
purchase
a
home,
but
they
don't
have
the
money
and
they
really
don't
know
in
many
cases
how
to
save
to
get
the
money,
and
even
if
they
did
know,
then
it's
it's
going
to
be
counted
against
their
eligibility
either
for
medicaid
or
for
housing
or
whatever,
and
so
saving
this
program.
G
The
eligibility
is
for
people
who
are
in
that
situation
once
they
get
the
money
that
they
need
to
put
down
payment
on
a
home
or
to
start
a
business
once
they
get
get
that
going
they're
not
in
the
program
anymore.
That's
the
whole
purpose
of
the
financial
literacy
to
help
them
get
to
a
place
where
they
can
live
their
dream,
while
at
the
same
time
understanding
how
to
use
money
and
not
letting
money
use
them.
G
So
this
is
this
something
that
is
interminable.
This
is
something
to
to
help
people
lift
people
out
of
the
situations
that
they're
in.
I
often
like
to
say
my
situation
doesn't
mean
this
is
my
destination,
and
so
we
want.
We
want
to
help
change
the
situation
so
that
the
destination
will
be
better.
I
I
I
appreciate
that
clarification.
I
guess
I'm
asking
a
little
more
granular
if
the
child
is
12
years
old
and
then
moves
out
of
the
quote
tenant
or
housing
project
when
the
child
is
15
or
16
or
17,
can
they
keep
this
thing
until
they
need
the
money
to
come
out
for
one
of
the
many
things
that
it's
allowed
or
are
they
no
longer
eligible
to
get
the
matching
funds
into
the
program
that's
been
designed
for
them
specifically.
C
Senator
if
it's
okay,
if
I
take
this
one
senator
hardy,
I
think
there's
a
couple
facets
of
your
question.
I
want
to
go
back
to
one
one.
You
had
mentioned
the
the
board
governance
or
entity
to
manage
that.
I
think
traditionally
in
programs
like
this,
when
we
talk
about
savings
programs
or
retirement
savings,
and
things
like
that,
a
lot
of
those
details
are
hammered
out
through
regulations
that
are
promulgated
through
the
board.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
flexibility
there
in
terms
of
the
funding
available,
just
to
clarify
for
the
record.
C
The
intention
right
now
is
no
general
fund
dollars
going
to
fund
that.
However,
it
could
be
from
private
philanthropy,
it
could
be
through
federal
dollars,
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
point.
This
is
why
the
program
is
interesting,
that
it's
so
flexible
for
recipients
of
medicaid,
low-income
housing
and
foster
youth
is
that
we
might
find
a
bucket
of
federal
funding
that
could
be
used
for
one
of
those
populations,
but
not
others.
C
So
if
we
find
funding
that
might
be
eligible
for
specifically
tenants
of
low-income
housing,
we
could
partner
with
a
non-profit,
that's
offering
services
to
those
tenants
and
make
sure
that
we
could
right-size
the
program
to
meet
those
needs.
And
then
finally,
your
last
question:
if
you
will
just
indulge
me,
I
kind
of
forgot.
A
It's
the
continuing
eligibility
question
eric.
So
it's
I'm
sorry,
mr
hyman
jimenez
it's
you
know
they
were
living
in
housing
now,
they're,
not
living
in
housing
or
they
were
on
medicaid,
but
now
they're,
not
on
medicaid.
So
do
they
come
in
and
out
of
eligibility
to
participate
or
once
they're
once
they're
sort
of
anchored
in
that
they
can
continue
to
participate.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
ready.
I
really
appreciate
that,
so
I
think
the
intention
senator
is
how
do
we
help
someone
save
and
then
get
out
of
poverty
to
where
they
wouldn't
need
those
funds?
I
think
in
the
circumstance
you're
describing-
and
this
might
be
a
need
for
some
regulatory
clarification
here-
is
that
all
the
money
that
was
saved
and
matched
while
the
person
was
eligible
for
the
program
would
stay
and
follow
that
person.
C
However,
I'm
not
sure
if
a
person
no
longer
was
receiving
medicaid
or
was
no
longer
in
subsidized
housing
or
low-income
housing
that
the
match
could
still
occur
after
that
point,
if
that
makes
sense,.
I
B
And
and
chair,
if
I
could
jump
in
real
briefly,
there
senator
hardy,
there's
some
comparable
examples
in
some
of
our
529
plans,
which
have
matches
based
on
income.
B
That
match
goes
away
if
the
person
or
family
goes
over
an
income
line
for
a
time,
but
the
underlying
521
asset
doesn't
and
if
the
family
say,
went
out
of
eligibility
and
then
back
into
eligibility.
They
would
again
qualify
for
the
match.
J
Hey,
madam
chair,
so
just
for
a
couple
points
of
clarification,
section
20,
but
charges
specifically
the
state
treasurer
to
solicit
money
or
to
fund
the
matching
payments
by
fiduciary
organ
institutions.
J
But
when
you
flip
to
the
section
25
on
page
13
really
says
it's,
this.
The
fiduciary
organization
has
the
sole
authority
and
responsibility
for
the
administration
of
the
idas
and
the
responsibility
of
financial
of
the
fiduciary
organizations
extends
to
all
aspects
of
the
program,
including
without
limitation,
soliciting
matching
funds.
J
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
who
does
what?
Because
I
mean
it
looks
like
the
entire
program
in
section.
25
is
totally
turned
over
to
the
fiduciary
organization.
So
I
don't
even
know
what
the
role
of
the
treasurer
is
at
that.
G
So
let
me
start
and
the
treasurer's
office
can
finish
the
first
part
of
that
sentence.
I
believe,
let
me
go
back
to
it
says,
subject
to
any
regulations
adopted
by
the
state
treasurer,
and
so
your
question
is
a
good
one
and
it's
one
that
I'm
sure
will
be
considered
when
they're
in
the
regulation
writing
part
of
of
this
program.
So
it's
not
that
it
turns
over.
But
it's
subject
to
any
regulations
adopted
by
the
state
treasurer.
C
Yeah
and
air
committed
for
the
record
senator,
I
think
traditionally
how
these
programs
work
in
other
states
is
that
the
the
nonprofit
fiduciary
does
a
lot
of
the
leg
work,
however,
point
on
on
asset
oversight
and
management.
So
if
that's
something
you'd
like
to
see,
I
think
in
that
what
is
it
section
25?
C
J
So
I
appreciate
that
so
the
funds
are
deposited
into
the
bank
accounts
right.
They
specifically
go
to
a
financial
institution
that
correct
correct,
so
the.
C
So
in
the
state
of
oregon
air
committees
for
the
record,
many
of
our
community
nonprofits
that
that
do
a
variety
of
services
could
could
service
that.
I
think
it's
difficult
right
now,
because
we're
not
authorized
to
do
that
as
a
state.
So
we
don't
have
non-profits
that
are
that
are
currently
doing
this
work,
but
traditionally,
in
other
states,
you'll
see
if
there
is
a
non-profit
that
specifically
provides
services
to
you
know
newly
made
citizens.
G
Basic
criteria,
if
I
may,
the
basic
criteria
is
the
the
non-profit
status
is
in
accordance
with
irs
regulations,
501
c
3,
and
so
it's
not
somebody
that
says
I'm
a
non-profit,
but
they
have
to
be
an
actual
non-profit
under
the
50501
c3
general
revenue
code.
J
Right-
and
I
guess
my
question
is
you
know
in
their
responsibilities,
it's
really
ensuring
compliance
with
all
of
this
as
well.
I
know
nonprofits
have
a
hard
time
going
out
and
raising
money
now.
So
what
type
of
what
type
of
process
does
there
have
to
be
to
ensure
that
they
have
matching
funds?
So
say
they
sign
somebody
up
for
an
account,
but
then
they
can't
raise
the
money
to
provide
the
match.
What's
their
responsibility
at
depth,.
C
So
eric
commend
us
for
the
record.
I
would
caveat
there
is
a
section
of
the
bill
that
requires.
I
believe
it
is
the
treasurer
to
determine
in
in
consultation
with
the
board,
who
qualifies
to
be
a
fiduciary
organization
when
we're
talking
about
matching
funds,
their
at
least
is
contemplated
under
this
bill.
They
are
limited
to
the
availability
of
funding
brought
in
through
federal
funding
or
grant
funding.
So
I
think
the
answer
to
your
question
senator
would
be.
C
We
would
have
to
do
an
analysis
of
how
much
fun
funding
we
anticipated,
bringing
in
and
then
scale
the
program
appropriately
to
make
sure
that
you
wouldn't
run
out
of
matching
funds
for
if
someone
wanted
to
participate
in
the
program.
J
Right,
but
I
guess
my
point
is
that
it's
not
the
treasurer's
responsibility
and
the
bill
to
raise
the
matching
funds.
It's
the
fiduciary's
responsibility
to
raise
the
matching
funds,
so
they
create
10
accounts
and
then
can
only
fund
five
of
them
based
on
the
money
they
raise.
Hey.
Who?
Who
who's
held
accountable
at
that
point
and
and
which
of
the
10
accounts,
gets
shorted.
A
So
so,
mr
spearman,
if
I,
if
I
may,
just
I'm
looking
at
section
20
of
the
bill
and
if
it
it
reads
that
it
is
the
office
of
the
excuse,
me
state,
treasurer's,
job
to
solicit
and
apply
for
gifts,
grants
or
donations
and
then
to
the
extent
that
sufficient
money
is
obtained,
establish
the
program.
A
J
Yeah
the
way
I
read
it,
madam
share,
is
that
if
you
look
to
section
25,
it
gives
that
power,
and
it
says
sole
authority
to
the
fiduciary
organizations,
the
administration,
the
administration
of
the
accounts
and
the
responsibility
of
the
fiduciary
fiduciary
organization
extends
to
all
aspects
of
the
program,
including
without
limitation,
on
paragraph
b,
soliciting
matching.
A
Yep,
the
sub
b,
yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
I
think
what
we're
struggling
with
is
the
mechanics
of
how
this
would
work
and
understanding
senator
spearman.
That
regulatory
process
will
bring
clarity.
It
can't
contradict
what's
actually
in
the
bill,
and
so,
mr
jimenez,
is
that
something
that
you
think
you
can
address
today
or
something
you'd
like
to
come
back
to
us
with
a
structure
that
you
make
that
that
you
could
articulate
that
flow
for
us
yeah.
C
And
real,
quick
air
coming
for
the
record,
senator,
I
think
in
the
point
you
had
brought
up
to
senator
ever
in
section
20.
I
think
that
would
be
the
intent
of
the
bill.
I
do
agree
with
the
senator
from
reno
and
carson
city
that
there
is
some
conflicting
language
in
there.
So
I
think
what
would
make
sense
is.
Maybe
we
come
back
and
work
on
an
amendment
to
kind
of
clarify
that
language
and
rules
and
responsibilities
there.
C
Correct
because
I
think
if
it
were
the
inverse
or
the
reverse,
I
think
that
we,
you
know
you
could
run
into
a
situation
that
was
described
that
where
you
might
have
created
too
much
accounts
and
you
couldn't
fund
a
potential
match,
but
I
also
would
caveat
the
match
is
not
set,
so
it
can
vary
from
a
dollar
to
five
dollars.
So
it's
not
guaranteed
that
every
account
that
would
be
created
would
get
a
five
dollar
match.
A
J
Yeah,
I
know
I
appreciate
the
clarity,
but
I
think
to
your
final
point.
Mr
mata
is
the
the
the
match
is
set
based
on
a
predetermined
agreement
between
the
account
holder
and
the
fiduciary
right,
so
the
fiduciary
doesn't
get
to
vary
how
much
they
deposit
month
to
month.
If
I
mean
it's
a
fixed
amount
right.
C
G
And
if
I
could
I'm
sorry
if
I
just
say
this,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
regulatory
process
and
all
other
processes
associated
with
this
will
be
done
with
the
treasurer's
oversight,
and
so
part
of
the
clarity
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
with
with
an
amendment
is
to
make
sure
that
we
identify
what
those
are
and
how
it
relates
to
the
each
section
of
the
bill.
That
seems
a
little
fuzzy,
but
but
it's
not
the
fiduciary
doesn't
doesn't
jump
up
and
start
it.
It's
it's
with.
G
J
Yeah
I'll
try
to
wrap
it
up
on
the
on
the
list
of
items
that
the
account
can
be
created
for
does
it
have
to
be
specific
going
in
or
is
it
a
general
account
that
can
be
used
for
any
of
these
purposes?.
C
So
air
command
is
for
the
record
the
bill
specifically
states
that
it
could
be
used
for
post-secondary
education,
job
training,
buying
a
home,
renting
a
home
starting
a
business
in
various
other
things.
Traditionally,
how
this
is
done,
I've
seen
it
done
both
ways.
I
think
this
is
something
for
the
the
board
to
weigh
in
on.
One
way
is
similar
to
how
we
would
operate
an
able
account
that
as
long
as
it
it
meets
any
of
the
qualified
expenses,
it
could
be
used
for
that.
C
I've
also
seen
in
other
states
that
the
person
has
to
set
a
defined
goal
going
in
where,
like
I'm,
saving
for
a
house
or
I'm
saving
a
for
a
car
and
then
that's
what
it
could
be
used
for.
I
don't
think
that
the
language
is
drafted
makes
a
decision
either
way
there
senator,
but
I've
seen
it
done
both
ways.
J
Yeah
the
way
I
had
read
it,
it
sounded
like
in
the
initial
agreement
with
the
fiduciary
I
mean
it
had
to
be
set
up
for
a
specific
purpose
that
included
one
of
these
account
one
of
these
purposes,
so
I
think
at
least
a
statement
of
intent
over
what
you're
what
you're
planning
would
be
beneficial
because
I
look
at
something
like
paragraph
m
on
page
11,
it
says
the
payment
of
medical
expenses.
J
Sometimes
medical
expenses
are
not
anticipated
right,
so
I
think
just
clarity
over
that,
because
I
think
the
way
senator
spearman
described
it
is
that
you
would.
He
is
part
of
the
program
you
know,
get
the
financial
literacy
education
things
like
that
sort
of
accomplish
the
goal
of
what
you
came
in
for
and
then
exit
the
program.
If
it's
more
of
a
rolling
account,
then
that
serves
a
different
kind
of
I'm,
I'm
sorry,
man,
I'm
sure
I
took
so
much
time.
A
That's
okay.
I
think
it's
worth
the
time
and
energy.
Okay,
senator
harris
just
checking
in
with
you
before
we
go
back
to
anybody
else
on
for
a
second
bite.
Okay,
so
I
do
have
just
a
quick
question
and
then
I'll
come
back
to
you
senator
hardy,
I'm
interested
in
your
experience
with
these
in
other
states.
A
The
you
know
the
ideal
is
that,
of
course,
these
accounts
would
not
affect
any
existing
benefits
that
somebody
might
be
receiving,
but
I
know
for
so
many
of
our
benefits.
There
is
an
asset
test,
and
so
I'm
just
curious
has
you
know:
do
we
know
that
these
don't
impinge
on
any
benefits
that
somebody
might
have
so,
for
example,
if
they're
in
affordable
housing,
which
can
be
such
a
critical
linchpin
for
their
long-term
success,
that
the
establishment
of
one
of
these
accounts
doesn't
put
them
at
risk
for
losing
that,
and
is
it?
G
Is
so
thank
you,
chair
ready,
so
let
me
let
me
address
it
because
we
talked
about
this
the
last
time
as
well,
and
I
was
looking
for
it
in
the
bill,
but
it
talks
about
these
entities
that
provide
the
services
shall
not
count
that
against
their
eligibility
and
there's
also
a
place
in
the
in
the
bill
that
says,
subject
to
federal
regulations.
G
So
if,
if
the
federal
government
says
you
can't
have
more
than
two
thousand
dollars
in
this
account,
obviously
we
can't
go
go
over
and
above
that,
but
the
bar
and
someone
asked
you
know:
why
is
it
so
low?
Why
is
it
just
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
what
we
did?
We
took
into
consideration
what
what
the
regulations
are
right
now
at
the
federal
level
and
then
try
to
say:
okay,
let's
not
go
above
that,
and
so
it's
a
three
thousand
dollar
limit.
G
G
It
doesn't
cause
them
to
lose
benefits
according
to
the
federal
government-
and
I
know
there's
some
things
in
the
housing
authority
and
some
things
in
the
nevada
rural
housing
authority
that
that
we
need
to
check
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
go
above
what
their
eligibility
is,
but
that
that's
it
we.
G
This
is
the
vision,
but
we
also
know
we
have
to
walk
in
lockstep
with
the
federal
government
government,
and
I
would
just
say
that
since
last
year
I
have
been
on
a
crusade
talking
to
our
federal
delegation
trying
to
help-
I
don't
want
to
say,
help
them
understand,
but
but
trying
to
explain
to
them
that
you
know
the
way
the
the
way
the
federal
system
exists
right
now.
It
is
not
designed
to
help
people
move
out
of
poverty.
G
It
is
not,
and
so
as
long
as
people
can't
have
a
bank
account
or
can't
have
a
bank
account
that's
more
than
this
or
can't
have
a
car.
That
is,
you
know
less
than
so
many
years
old.
As
long
as
those
those
rubrics
exist,
you're
going
to
always
have
people,
you
know
generation
after
generation
in
poverty,
because
they
can't
save
money,
they
can't
say
money
and
even
if
they
could
save
money
they're,
you
know
in
many
cases
they
don't
know
where
to
go
to
get
the
financial
literacy
that
they
needed.
G
So
I
am
sensitive
to
the
federal
government
regulations
and
every
will
be
done
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
get
close
to
that
line.
We
we
would
never
want
them
to
lose
their
eligibility
for
anything,
and
I
think,
have
somebody
on
from
medicaid
and
there's
a
there's,
a
means
test
two
for
that,
but
we're
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
away
from
whatever
the
limit
is
because
we
we
wouldn't
want
someone
trying
that
we're
trying
to
help
be
penalized
for
getting
that
help.
A
Hi,
this
is
beth
handler
deputy
director
dhhs,
and
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
in
our
agency
analysis
our
division
of
welfare
and
supported.
Excuse
me,
supportive
services
that
does
medicaid
eligibility
found
no
impact,
so
we
would
be
good
to
go
with
the
language
as
written.
Okay,
great.
Thank
you
all
right,
senator
hardy
looks
like
you
have
another
question.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
the
on
page
11,
where
it
talks
about
saving
of
money
for
retirement,
put
a
whole
new
light
on
this.
For
me
who
who
gets
chosen
for
how
much
money
goes
into
these
individual
accounts
is
that
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
comes
in
and
everybody
gets
equal
or
is
it
directed.
A
Treasurer
no
you're
you're,
we
heard
your
question
and
I
think
treasurer
treasurer
conan
looks
like
he's,
leaning
in.
I
Okay,
so
so
what
I
was
looking
at
is:
is
it
equitable
to
everybody
or
is
it
can
it
be?
Can
the
donor,
for
instance,
direct
their
funds,
to
quote
just
foster
children
or
to
single
parents
of
children,
or
can
an
individual,
for
instance,
in
the
spirit
of
getting
a
savings,
account
direct
money
to
their
own
account
and
put
in
a
dollar
and
get
four
back
from
the
overall
donation?
B
Sorry,
senator
spearman
so
treasurer
conan
for
the
record
senator
hardy.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I
think
you
kind
of
hit
on
it
at
the
end,
which
is
it
depends
right
and
so,
depending
on
the
source
of
those
funds.
It
might
go
specifically
to
a
group,
for
instance,
if
we
were
to
get
a
grant
on
to
help
support
the
well-being
of
individuals
in
the
foster
care
system
right.
It
might
be
specifically
for
that
segment
of
ida
accounts.
B
If
we
got
a
community
reinvestment
act
grant
from
a
bank,
it
might
go
towards
a
specific
group.
If
an
individual
wanted
to
put
in
funds,
it
might
go
towards
a
specific
group,
and
I
think
the
treasurer's
office,
like
we
do
with
anyone
else
who
wants
to
fund
a
program.
Things
like
the
governor,
gwynn
memorial
scholarship,
would
work
with
the
grantee
or
the
grantor.
Excuse
me
to
say
what
is
the
thing
you're
trying
to
create?
I
B
Is
treasure
conan
for
the
record?
I
think
the
source
of
the
money
really
helps
to
determine
where
it's
going
to
go
right.
So
you
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
money's
coming
in,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
gifts
or
grants,
as
opposed
to
say,
general
fund
dollars
right
where
we'd
want
to
make
sure
that
it
was
incredibly
equitable
when
we're
talking
about
gifts
and
grants
that
that
grantor,
the
person
giving
the
gift
organization
giving
the
gift
should
be
able
to
have
an
opinion
on
where
those
funds
go.
I
Okay,
so
so
that
could
be
a
tax
write-off
for
the
grand
tour,
then,
is
what
you're
describing.
B
B
I
A
True
senator
hardy,
this
is
the
chair
again
and
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
clarity
here,
because
we've
been
at
this
hearing
for
a
little
bit,
but
that
is
the
foundational
concept.
So
every
matching
dollar
is
a
match
to
a
gift
that
the
owner
of
the
account
the
individual
puts
in.
So
they
don't
get
any
matching
unless
they
have
made
a
donation.
A
All
right
scene,
none
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
open
up
public
testimony.
So
if
you
are
here
to
testify
in
support
of
sp
188
we're
getting
ready
to
move
to
test
testimony
and
support
dps,
if
you
could
just
open
up
the
lines.
E
E
F
Senator
spearman
mentioned
in
her
remarks
the
importance
of
of
having
just
a
few
hundred
dollars
in
your
bank
account
which
can
make
all
the
difference
in
the
world
when
the
unexpected
happens
like
getting
a
flat
tire
on
the
way
to
work.
You
can't
fix
your
tire.
You
might
not
be
able
to
get
to
work,
which
means
that
you
could
lose
your
job
and
find
yourself
in
a
position
where
you're
unable
to
support
your
family.
F
I'd
also
like
to
thank
former
commissioner
weekly
for
his
remarks.
I
I
really
appreciate
his
story
and
how
he's
used
his
experiences
to
give
back
to
young
people
who
need
help.
It's
something.
I've
been
fortunate
enough
to
witness
him
do
firsthand
on
a
number
of
occasions
and
and
I'll
just
conclude
by
saying
that
the
nevada
bankers
association
is
grateful
for
the
the
chance
to
testify
in
support
of
senate
bill
188
and
to
your
points,
chair,
ratty
and
a
number
of
other
folks
on
the
committee.
F
If
it's
helpful,
we
would
be
more
than
happy
to
participate
in
any
any
conversations
over
the
next
couple
of
months
to
work
through
the
mechanics
of
how
this
bill
would
work
to
ensure
that
it
passes
this
session.
Thanks
again
for
the
opportunity
to
testify.
E
F
Good
afternoon
bailey
bordelin,
representing
the
nevada
coalition
of
legal
service
providers,
washington,
legal
services
and
legal
aid
center
in
southern
nevada.
We
provide
attorneys
to
children
in
foster
care
for
the
cases
that
they
are
involved
in
so
from
that
aspect,
and
as
advocates
for
those
children,
we
support
this
bill
and
we
look
forward
to
also
working
with
the
senator
and
the
stakeholders,
as
we
find
the
best
way
path.
The
best
path
forward
for
this
thank.
E
E
E
E
G
First
of
all,
thank
you,
chair,
ready
and
members
of
the
committee
for
listening
and
considering
what
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
monumental
step
forward
in
helping
both
of
these
groups.
Those
who
are
in
public
or
subsidized
housing,
as
well
as
giving
children
who
are
in
the
foster
care
system,
hope
that
when
they
age
out,
they
don't
age
out
penniless.
So
thank
you
for
for
listening
and
I
will
end
on
this.
G
A
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
ratty,
for
the
record
senator
mo
dennis
representing
senate
district
2
in
clark
county
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
senate
bill
205,
which
addresses
an
oversight
that
occurred
when
emergency
regulations
were
adopted
last
year
by
the
division
of
industrial
relations
of
the
department
of
business
and
industry.
K
The
issue
is
relatively
simple:
in
adopting
regulations
related
to
boilers,
the
division
attempted
certain
gas
fire
exempted
certain
gas-fired
residential
and
commercial
tank
water
heaters,
but
unintentionally
failed
to
exempt
similar
tankless
water
heaters.
The
result
is
that
tankless
water
heaters
are
now
subject
to
significantly
more
onerous
regulations
than
similar
tank
heaters
and
that
are
more
stringent
than
necessary
to
ensure
public
safety.
The
goal
of
this
bill
is
to
seek
parity
in
statutory
regulation
of
tank
and
tankless
water
heaters,
so
that
this
type
of
regulatory
error
is
not
repeated
in
the
future.
K
K
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
warren
hardy,
who
is
representing
renai
america
corporation
and
james
york,
senior
director
of
regulatory
and
product
performance
for
renye
america
corporation.
To
discuss
the
issue
in
more
detail
and
walk
through
the
technicalities
of
the
bill
and
the
amendment.
A
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
warren
hardy,
representing
renai
america
corporation.
I
have
with
me
today.
James
york,
who
is
senator
dennis
said,
is
the
director
of
regulatory
and
product
enforcement,
our
performance
for
renai.
I
want
to
thank
senator
dennis
for
be
willing
being
willing
to
help
us
with
this
legislation
to
correct
this
oversight,
and
although
I'm
representing
renai
and
renai,
has
sort
of
taken
the
initiative
to
put
to
move
forward
on
this,
this
is
something
that
we've
spoken
to
our
competitors.
L
Just
spoken
to
the
construction
industry
spoken
to
others
that
are
impacted
by
this
statute
or
this
regulatory
oversight
and
have
broad
support.
So
I
don't
want
the
committee
to
think
this
is
a
renai
bill.
It's
an
industry
bill
that
that
rennai
had
the
ability
to
sort
of
lead
out
on,
as
senator
dennis
mentioned.
The
amendment
that
should
be
on
nellis
would,
in
our
mind,
replace
the
bill
as
a
whole.
So
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
that
amendment
as
the
bill
and
that's
that's
really
what
I
would
speak
to
and
again.
L
Madam
chair
again,
as
senator
dennis
said,
we're
really
looking
to
do
one
thing
and
one
thing
only
and
in
a
moment
I'll
speak
to
some
complications
that
have
arisen
relative
to
expanding
this
concept
further.
But
but
all
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
proposing
this
amendment
is
to
do
exactly
what
senator
dennis
indicated
and
that
is
to
create
a
level
of
parity.
L
L
I
was
not
engaged
with
rinnai
at
the
time,
but
for
whatever
reason
it
came
forward,
it
created
a
disparity
in
attempting
to
exempt
out
a
small,
commercial
and
residential
water
heaters
that
meet
a
very
specific
three-pronged
test,
which
all
addressed
in
a
moment.
So
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
fix
that
correction.
We
decided
to
go
forward
in
legislation
instead
of
as
a
regulatory
change
for
two
reasons.
The
first
one
was
the
legislative
session
was
right
around
the
corner.
L
As
you
know,
tankless
water
heaters
take
up
a
lot
less
space,
it's
easier
to
provide
the
redundancy
that
so
many
people
are
looking
for
by
by
installing
these
they're,
safe
and
so
they're
becoming
very
prominent
in
the
industry,
and
so
we
thought
it
was
best
just
to
have
these
two
types
of
products
brought
on
par
in
the
statute,
so
that
going
forward
if
a
regulation
is
promulgated,
we
don't
have
this
mistake
again.
L
So
if
it
pleases
a
chair,
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
walk
through
the
amendment
really
quickly
and
then
I'll
I'll
go
back
a
little
bit
to
the
issue.
As
senator
dennis
said,
we
we
we
attempted
to
address
the
concerns
of
dir.
I
think
we
did,
except
in
one
in
one
respect
which
I'll
speak
to
momentarily.
L
So
if
you
look
at
the
presentation,
the
amendment
that
we
have
presented
it
it,
if
you
go
to
page
so
it
the
the
first
section,
one
speaks
to
the
exemption.
That
does
not
the
regulate.
L
Well,
I'm
sorry,
let
me
back
up
just
a
little
bit
and
and
tell
you
about
the
regulations
so
after
the
the
explosion
that
occurred
at
unr
with
a
boiler,
the
dir
appropriately,
in
my
opinion,
promulgated
regulations
to
increase
safety
requirements
and
standards
on
those
large
boilers,
and
in
doing
so
they
recognized
the
need
to
exempt
small
water
heaters
and
did
that
in
the
regulation.
But,
as
senator
dennis
said,
they
did
not
distinguish
or
did
not
just
by
the
way
it
was
drafted.
L
It
did
not
extend
that
exemption
to
tanked
water
heaters
so
bringing
this
amendment
forward.
So
it
speaks
to
the
amendment
and
then
the
language
on
the
last
page
of
the
amendment
where
it
it
defines
water
heater
is
language
that
we
took
at
the
request
of
dri
to
say
a
water
heater
means
an
appliance
designated
primarily
to
supply
hot
water
for
domestic
or
commercial
purposes
that
is
equipped
with
automatic
controls,
limiting
water
temperature,
and
so
the
language
they
requested
was
the
control
the
individually
controlled
unit.
L
If
you
then
go
go
down,
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair,
I
got
I
got
ahead
of
myself,
so
if
you
go
back
to
section
one
of
the
amendment,
it
speaks
to
the
three-prong
approach
that
I
talked
about
to
to
be
eligible
for
the
exemption.
L
It
must
not
exceed
any
of
the
following
limitations:
it
cannot
have
input
output,
an
input
of
heat,
more
than
a
199
000
british
thermal
units
or
under
2
or
200
000.
British
thermal
units
temperature
cannot
exceed
210
degrees,
fahrenheit
or
the
water
capacity
have
a
water
capacity
of
more
than
120
gallons,
that
that
is
the
language
that
mirrors
the
regulation.
L
But
we
added
the
amendment
in
the
language
in
this
amendment
to
to
change.
We
change
the
definition
of
water
heater
to
address
the
concern
of
dri
dir
that
they're
individually
monitor
controlled
units,
one
of
the
other
issues
that
came
up-
and
this
is
where
it
got
a
little
bit
complicated.
We
weren't
able
to
completely
satisfy
dir
and
I'll
I'll,
speak
to
it
now,
since
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
speak
to
it.
L
One
of
the
things
that
dir
would
like
to
do,
based
on
our
conversations,
is
regulate
the
in-series
installation
of
water
heaters
the
and
when,
when
I
say
the
n
series,
let
me
give
you
an
example
of
what
what
we
might
contemplate
and
the
reason
that
in
series
installations
are
becoming
popular
is
because
they're
they
save
energy
they're,
far
more
efficient.
L
So
the
example
I
like
to
use
is
some
people
go
to
the
gym.
Madam
chair,
I
don't,
but
some
people
go
to
the
gym
and,
and
what
will
happen
in
a
gym
is
they
will
set
up
a
series
of
say
five
or
six
in-series
water
heaters?
And
then,
when
the
demand
is
very
low
in
the
morning,
they
may
run
one
of
those
tankless
water
heaters
when
the
demand
increases,
because
more
people
are
using
the
facilities,
then
they'll
increase
incrementally
until
they're
at
full,
full
capacity.
L
That's
why
these
are
popular
for
those
applications.
When
you
use
a
tanked
water,
heater,
you're,
basically
functioning
at
maximum
capacity,
all
the
time,
which
means
the
gas
is
being
used
to
heat
the
to
heat,
the
the
water
in
anticipation
of
advanced
or
full
capacity.
Another
example
of
where
these
might
be
in
unis
or
in
parallel
or
in
series
is
a
restaurant
that
is,
has
requirements
encode
to
have
hot
water
available
at
all
times.
L
If
their
water
heater
goes
down,
they're,
basically
out
of
business,
so
they
will
set
up
a
water
heater
or
a
tankless
heater
or
a
water
tank
in
parallel
or
in
in
in
series
and
from
my
understanding.
In
most
cases,
if
it's
a
water,
a
tanked
water,
heater
gas-fired
tank
water
here,
they're
set
up
in
parallel
to
provide
that
redundancy,
the
dir
from
what
we
understand
would
like
to
regulate
the
installation
of
n-series
water
heaters.
L
L
When
we
did
speak
to
the
to
the
to
the
dir,
they
indicated
us
that
they
were
not
sure
they
had.
They
had
the
authority
to
promulgate
a
regulation
on
on
in
series
installations.
In
fact,
one
of
the
senators
on
your
committee
asked
me
if
anything
in
our
bill
would
would
foreclose
on
their
ability
to
adopt
a
regulation.
L
In
reality,
the
language
that
we
are
proposing,
madam
chair,
would
do
exactly
the
opposite,
and
it
would
direct
the
division
for
the
division
of
industrial
relations
to
promulgate
a
regulation
on
this
point,
so
we
have
no
objection
to
that.
I
would
indicate
that
one
of
the
things
they
told
us
was
well.
It
may
take
a
year
to
probably
get
that
regulator.
What
about
safety
in
the
interim?
L
Part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
that
all
of
these
things,
all
of
these
in-series
installations,
are
accounted
for
in
local
safety
regulations
and
zoning
in
in
the
in
the
regulations
of
the
local
level.
All
of
the
products
we're
talking
about
here
are
constructed
and
designed
contemplating
in
series
installations.
It's
common.
It's
done
all
over
the
country
and,
as
I
indicated,
only
one
state
chooses
to
regulate
them
or
govern
or
oversee
them
at
the
state
level,
and
that's
the
state
of
massachusetts.
If
nevada
wants
to
become
the
second
state,
that
does
that.
L
L
So
I
I
hope
I
didn't
create
too
much
confusion
with
my
testimony
if
it
pleases
a
chair,
I'd
like
to
ask
mr
york,
if
there's
anything
I
missed
or
anything
he'd
like
to
clarify,
I'm
obviously
not
a
subject
matter
expert
on
this,
but
I
think
I've
got
a
pretty
good
grip
on
it.
So
if
it
pleases
a
chair,
I'd
like
to
ask
mr
york,
if
he
has
anything
to
add
to
that,
please.
M
Yes,
ma'am
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
bill
and
we
appreciate
the
committee
taking
time
you
know.
Mr
you
know,
mr
hardy
did
a
very
good
job
of
addressing
in
series
or
parallel
installations,
which
you
know
the
department
has
concern
of
and
and
like
say,
our
bill
addresses
that
and
actually
request
them
to
initiate
a
rule
making
process.
M
The
reason
we
think
it
should
be
a
rule-making
process
is
there
are
lots
of
nuances
and
things
that
have
to
be
addressed
as
we
work
through
that
you
know
which
could
be,
you
know,
is
it
permitting
based
on
system?
Is
it
permitting
based
on
individual
units
if
we
say
that
more
than
one
unit
installed
that
exceeds
one
of
the
three
hurdles
on
a
building
site
becomes
regulated?
M
Does
that
mean
apartment
buildings
that
have
individual
water
heaters
serving
individual
units
are
now
regulated,
because
you
know
currently
they're
not
there's
a
lot
of
ambiguity
that
that
will
need
to
be
hammered
out
as
we
work
through
the
regulatory
process
and
many
in
many
items
that
we
have
probably
not
even
considered.
That
will
come
from
industry,
which
is
the
reason
that
we've
requested
that.
L
And
so
man
I'm
chair
with
that,
I
mean
I
I
would
like
to
really
if
we
can
get
the
focus
back
to
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
and
that
is
simply
to
bring
tankless
water
heaters
on
par
with
taint
heaters
for
purposes
of
the
statutes
and
regulations
as
they
currently
exist,
and
thank
you
for
the
time.
Madam
chair
be
happy.
A
A
I'm
not
seeing
any
questions
all
right
so
again,
just
to
to
lay
it
out.
The
bill
itself
is
in
response
to
the
emergency
regulation,
and
I
think
it's
just
appropriate
for
me
at
least
to
take
a
pause
here
and
just
say
how
grateful
we
are
given
the
devastating
event
that
happened
on
the
university
of
nevada
campus
and
the
scale
of
that
explosion.
A
The
fact
that
we
did
not
have
significant
injuries
or
casualties,
though
there
were
some
people
who
were
impacted,
and
I
don't
want
to
take
that
away
but
is
as
close
as
I've
seen
in
my
life
to
a
miracle
and
so
just
really
really
happy
that
that
turned
out
the
way
that
it
did
and
grateful
to
those
who
jumped
in
and
did
do
some
emergency
regulations
so
that
we
are
not
hopefully
in
a
position
that
something
to
that
scale
happens
again.
A
With
that
said,
intent
of
the
bill
is
just
to
make
a
correction
for
an
exception
and
a
piece
of
that
exception
that
was
left
step
left
out,
which
is
tankless
water
heaters.
Everything
else
is
a
request
from
the
department
of
regulations.
Is
that
correct
department
not.
A
I
just
made
up
the
department,
but
the
department
of
let's
see.
L
Yeah
and
madam
chair,
let
me
just
in
the
interest
of
of
being
as
as
complex
complete
as
I
can
so
part
of
the
language.
So
the
dir
accepted
the
language
and
the
definition
we
had,
except
they
wanted
to
add
the
word
single,
so
you're
exempt
if
you're
a
tankless
water
heater.
If
you,
if
you
install
a
single
tankless
water
heater,
well,
that
that
still
puts
us
at
a
significant
disadvantage
and
really
doesn't
do
anything
to
fix
our
problem.
L
So
that's
the
section
of
the
language.
So
there
was
an
attempt
to
kind
of
prevent
the
serial
installation
of
these
tankless
water
heaters
in
this
legislation,
and,
if
that,
if
that
were
to
occur,
the
way
that
the
law
currently
exists,
there
would
not
be
the
same
exemptions
or
prohibition
against
in-series
installations
of
taint
heaters
that
there
is
for
tankless.
Now
that
said,
nobody
knows
if
or
or
how
many
tank
tanked
water
heaters
are
restored
are
installed
in
series.
L
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
on
that,
and-
and
maybe
I
modeled
it
by
trying
to
be
clear,
but
so
inadvertently
in
the
language
of
dir
submitted
for
this
to
try
to
get
us
the
exemption
we
were
looking
for
and
they
worked
in
good
faith
to
do
that.
L
It
inadvertently
still
limits
us
significantly
if
it
limits
our
ability
to
install
these
in
series,
which
is
a
common
practice
in
the
industry
and
is
a
growing
practice
in
the
industry
and
is
allowed
by
code
is
allowed
by
manufacturer,
and
I
would
echo
your
comments
that
we
100
support
the
work
they
did
on
the
additional
boiler.
That
was
an
important
thing
and
a
very
scary
thing
for
the
state
of
nevada
when
that
occurred.
L
A
E
E
E
K
What
was
important
to
understand
is
that
we
never
contemplated
tankless
hot
water
heaters
when
we
were
working
with
the
department
of
industrial
relations,
and
so
this
was
frankly
an
oversight
on
our
part.
That
being
said,
we're
very
supportive
of
this
bill,
as
with
with
the
amendment
and
if
additional
regulations
are
required,
we'd
be
happy
to
work
with
the
department
of
industrial
relations
to
adopt
appropriate
regulations
to
do
so,
but
this
truly
frees
up
the
boiler
inspectors
to
inspect
boilers
instead
of
these
small
hot
water
heaters.
E
K
K-R-A-H-E-N-B-U-H-L,
I
am
speaking
in
support
of
sb
205
and
in
support
of
the
amendment
by
mr
hardy.
I
am
the
executive
director
for
the
plumbing
heating
cooling
contractors
of
nevada.
We
have
over
100
members
across
the
state
representing
many
german
plumbers
apprentices
and
hvac
hvac
technicians,
I'm
also
retired,
30-year
employee
of
clark
county
building
department.
Where
much
of
that
time
I
was
the
lead
plumbing
mechanical
person
and
I'm
also
a
licensed
journeyman
and
master
plumber.
I've
been
involved
in
code
writing
for
30
years,
both
locally
and
nationally.
K
I
also
serve
on
iatmo's
product
certification
and
standards
committee,
which
certifies
plumbing
mechanical
products.
I'm
one
of
nine
people
in
the
us
to
be
on
that
committee
and
the
only
person
in
nevada.
All
of
that
brings
us
to
senate
bill
205.
The
uniform
plumbing
code,
which
is
adopted
across
the
state
of
nevada.
K
Section
1001
clearly
defines
what
is
a
water
heater
and
what
is
the
boiler,
the
threshold
of
not
exceeding
120
gallons,
not
exceeding
200,
000,
btus,
etc,
gives
manufacturers,
designers,
contractors
and
code
requirements
for
designing,
permitting
and
installation
and
inspections,
local
jurisdictions
require
permits
and
inspections
for
water
heaters.
Boilers
are
required
to
be
permitted
in
inspections
by
the
state.
Sb
205
would
clarify,
as
amended,
would
clarify
issues
regarding
water
heaters
and
boiler
installations
permitting
and
inspections.
K
E
E
E
A
N
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
victoria
carrion,
I'm
the
administrator
at
the
division
of
industrial
relations
and
our
agency
is
neutral
on
this
bill
and
we
appreciate
working
with
senator
dennis
and
mr
hardy
in
advance
of
the
hearing
and
being
open
to
our
comments
on
the
bill.
So
the
mechanical
compliance
section
within
the
division
of
industrial
relations
regulates
the
safety
of
boilers
and,
as
you
have
stated,
normally
we
don't
really
think
about
boilers.
N
So
in
nevada
there
is
numerous
installations
where
you
can
have
five
of
these
tankless
water
heaters,
linked
together
to
replace
a
1
million
btu
individual
boiler,
and
that
can
be
a
very
good
thing.
It
can
be
more
energy
efficient,
it
can
be
less
expensive.
So
so
that
can
be
a
very
positive
thing.
However,
we
think
they
should
still
be
permitted,
and
the
reason
that
that
should
occur
is
there's
things
that
we
need
to
look
at,
such
as
emergency
gas,
shutdown,
switches,
emergency
exits,
fire
rating
of
the
room,
room
ventilation.
N
When
you
have
that
much
gas
in
a
room,
we
feel
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
reviewed,
and
so
currently
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear.
We
do
regulate
these
installations
that
are
in
a
series,
so
the
bill
allows
for
regulations
to
be
created
for
water
heaters
installed
in
a
series.
However,
there
would
be
a
gap
in
time
when
these
installations
would
not
be
regulated
and
it's
important
to
note.
N
They
currently
are
regulated
and
then
there
would
be
a
time
when
they
are
not,
and
so
that's
our
concern,
we're
definitely
open
to
working
further
on
the
language
with
the
sponsor
and
we
also
have
our
head
of
mechanical
compliance.
Section
brennan
patterson
is
also
available
on
the
line
in
case
there
are
any
technical
questions.
Thank
you.
E
L
E
A
Thank
you,
bps,
okay,
so
members
of
the
committee,
since
the
sponsor
of
the
bill,
brought
up
the
concerns
from
department
of
industrial
relations
and
the
presentation
and
knowing
that
time
is
tight.
I'd
like
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
ask
department
of
industrial
relations,
any
questions
that
you
might
have
about
the
concerns
that
they
have
so
that
we
can
get
that
on
the
record.
Knowing
that
deadlines
are
looming,
I
think
it's
probably
just
best
to
get
some
of
those
questions
answered
so
is
there
do?
A
Not
seeing
any
so
miss
carrion,
I
guess
my
question
is
so
you
stated
that
currently
you
have
regulations
that
apply
to
multiple
inline
tankless
water
heaters.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair
victoria,
carrion,
for
the
record,
so
there's
nothing
that
currently
states
that
multiple
installations
are
regulated.
Just
by
virtue
of
all
of
these
water
heaters
being
regulated,
the
various
types
of
installations
are
all
currently
regulated,
and
so
this
regulation,
or
this
this
new
statute,
would
exempt
certain
ones
and
would
create
a
new
exemption
for
all
of
those
that
are
regulated
in
the
series.
Hope
that
helps.
A
N
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
victoria,
goddard
for
the
record.
So,
yes,
it
would
exempt
the
ones
that
are
tanked.
However,
we
are
not
aware
in
nevada
of
any
multiple
series,
tanked
water
heaters
that
are
installed,
because
usually
it
would
be
much
more
efficient
to
install
just
a
larger
boiler.
So
it's
really
the
inline
installation
is
really
an
issue
for
the
tankless
water
heaters.
A
A
Okay,
so
the
thing
that
I'm
not
going
to
do
is
put
our
legal
counsel
on
the
spot,
because
I
have
a
feeling
that
this
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
looking
into
from
mr
robbins,
but
it
seems
like
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
here
from
the
representatives
of
the
bill
saying
that
they
currently
are
not
regulated
and
are
only
regulated
in
one
state
in
massachusetts
and
the
division.
That's
saying
no,
they
currently
are
regulated.
A
So
I
think
that
what
we're
going
to
need
is
some
clarity
to
understand
what
is
and
isn't
currently
regulated
and
how
this
amendment
would
affect
that.
So
that's
my
pledge
is
that
working
with
our
legal
counsel,
with
a
little
bit
of
time,
we'll
we'll
get
what
the
committee
staff's
perspective
is
on
this
issue
and
get
back
to
everybody
before
the
work
session
is
held
with,
that
doesn't
look
like
any
of
the
other
members.
K
Thank
you.
I
I
want
to
give
some
close
remark.
I
believe
that
senator
hardy
had
or
mr
senator
hardy
had
had
a
clarification
and
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
give
my
closing
comment.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
senator
dennis.
So
a
couple
of
things
I
want
to
point
out.
First
of
all,
we
we
were
trying
to
be
very
respectful
of
the
committee's
time,
so
we
didn't
line
up
a
bunch
of
folks
to
give
verbal
testimony,
but
if
you'll
refer,
if
you're,
if
you
draw
your
attention
to
nellis
you'll,
see
there's
numerous
numerous
letters
in
support
of
this
legislation
with
regard
to
the
timing
of
the
regulation
again,
I
I
want
to
make
it
really
clear.
L
I
don't
want
to
leave
the
committee
with
the
impression
that
there's
no
regulation
here
the
issue
here
is
whether
the
state
injects
itself
into
this.
These
installations,
100
percent
across
the
board,
are
subject
to
local
building
codes,
which
are
very
stringent
and
specific
in
terms
of
these
installations.
So
it's
not
like
we're
out
putting
these
everywhere
and
and
without
any
oversight
or
regulation.
L
The
question
is:
does
this
rise
to
the
level
of
the
state
of
nevada
requiring
an
additional
regulatory
burden
on
those
who
install
these
an
additional
expense
on
the
customers
who
want
them
to
want
to
install
them?
And
that's
where
only
massachusetts
in
the
united
states
has
made
the
decision
that
it
rises
to
extra
to
extra
regulation
beyond,
what's
done
in
the
local
code,
so
these
are
a
hundred
percent
covered
and
I
should
indicate
allowed
and
permitted
by
the
local
local
building
codes.
L
They
are
also
the
manufacturers
construct
and
design
these
these
and
the
tank
teeters
for
installation
in
in
series.
L
L
A
Mr
hardy,
can
I
just
interrupt
you
there?
Yes
ma'am,
so,
where
they're
covered
by
local
building
codes?
Is
that
part
of
the
international
building
codes
that
the
jurisdictions
are
operating
or
adopting
each
year.
L
It
thank
you.
So
that's
right.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
because
I
think
it
got
a
little
bit
confusing
in
terms
of
what
level
of
oversight
we're
looking
for
here
and
every
state
in
the
union
except
massachusetts
believes
that
the
local
building
code
is
sufficient
to
cover
these
massachusetts.
In
fact,
I
can
get
you
the
details
on
that,
but
manufacture
they
did
it
not
for
safety
reasons,
but
for
other
reasons,
and
then,
with
regard
to
in
series,
the
dir
has
told
us
before
that
they're
unaware
of
any
in-series
installations
of
tanked
water
heaters.
L
I
I
don't
have
no
reason
to
doubt
them.
I
would
only
say
that
the
manufacturer
provides
specifications
and
and
installations
on
instructions
on
how
to
do
it,
so
they're
designed
for
it
and
I'm
sure
it
incur
occurs
somewhere,
because
the
issue
of
redundancy
is
extremely
important
to
a
lot
of
businesses
like
like
restaurants
and
hotel
motels,
and
things
that
they
can't
afford
to
have
a
water
heater
go
out
and
not
have
a
backup.
A
Thank
you,
mr
hardy
and
mr
hardy.
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
little
homework
assignment,
I'm
looking
at
the
public
testimony,
I'm
not
seeing
that
any
is
from
local
government,
but
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
have
a
couple
of
the
building
departments
or
development
departments
from
local
government
chime
in
to
get
their
perspective
of
whether
or
not
they're
comfortable
that
their
building
codes
are
addressing
the
issue
that
you're
trying
to
address.
A
So
if
you
could
get
that
rounded
up
and
get
that
information
back
to
me,
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful.
Also.
Thank
you
for
not
lining
up
a
bunch
of
folks
to
testify
in
person
and
and
using
the
written
comment
for
this
bill
and,
frankly,
and
for
all
bills.
We
hear
today
asking
that
the
secretary's
put
the
written
comment
into
the
record.
A
But
all
right
so
with
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
205
and
move
on
to
senate
bill
211
senator
harris.
Do
you
have
the
presenters
that
you
need
in
the
virtual
room.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Let
me
check
to
make
sure
they
were
they've
been
able
to
hang
on
and
it
looks
like
I
do
have
one
who
is
still
with
us,
so
that'll
be
just
fine,
I'm
ready
to
go
when
you
are
okay,.
D
D
This
bill
is,
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
fairly
simple
on
its
face,
but
huge
in
its
impact
per
hiv.gov.
One
of
the
elements
of
the
affordable
care
act
is
prevention
services.
This
aspect
of
the
aca
for
hiv
prevention
includes
hiv
testing
for
everyone,
ages,
15
to
65
and
for
people
of
other
ages
at
increased
risk
without
additional
cost.
Sharing
such
as
co-pays
and
deductibles
cdc
recommended
in
2006
that
all
people
ages
13-64
be
tested
for
hiv,
at
least
once
in
health
care
settings.
However,
the
uptake
of
that
recommendation
has
not
been
optimal.
D
D
For
the
exact
same
reason,
I
think
if
we've
learned
anything
from
covid
it
is
you
need
to
know
your
status,
knowing
your
status
helps
with
the
spread,
especially
for
these
types
of
communicable
diseases,
and
so
as
we
as
we
endeavor
to
end
the
pandemic
through
initiatives
like
ending
the
pandemic,
which
is
being
promoted
to
end
the
hiv
pandemic
in
the
united
states,
as
we
know
it
by
2030,
you
know
the
key
strategies
are
to
diagnose,
treat,
prevent
and
respond.
D
Additionally,
this
legislation
is
not
unique
to
nevada.
We
took
the
basis
of
new
york
on
this
bill
and
there
are
other
plenty
of
other
states
who
are
also
taking
similar
steps
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
invite
cheryl
radeloff,
who
is
the
public
health
co-chair
of
the
southern
nevada,
hiv
prevention
and
planning
group,
to
give
a
couple
of
words
if
she'd
like,
I
don't
see
her
camera
on
quite
yet,
I
hope
she's
still
paying
attention,
but
if
not
I'll
open
myself
up
for
questions
chair
ready.
Oh
there
we
go
here.
O
O
I'm
sorry
I'm
having
some
trouble
with
my
colleague,
I
was
going
to
co-present
with
my
colleague,
jennifer
howe,
who
is
the
sexual
health
program
coordinator
with
russia
department
and
unfortunately
hold
on.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
try
again
try
to
share
my
screen.
If
not,
I
can,
I
think,
hopefully,
you
all
should
have
copies
of
our
powerpoint,
and
I
can
talk
about
same
points.
Would
that
be
satisfactory.
A
Miss
rattleoffs
the
we
were
actually
able
to
see
your
screen.
It
wasn't
the
full
screen
version,
but
actually
we
could
see
the
slide
that
you
were
on
and
at
least
on
my
computer
can't
read
the
others.
So
I
I
think
what
you
were
doing
worked
just
fine.
If
you
want
to
I'll
try
that
again,.
I
O
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
okay,
perfect
now
we're
even
full
screen
go
for
it.
Oh
well,
so
exciting
we're
having
a
good
night
tonight.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
patience.
So
again
I
wanted
to
thank
senator
harris
for
the
amazing
introduction
and
I
wanted
to
say
that
many
of
the
points
that
you've
made,
especially
the
affordable
care
act
and
covering
aesthetic
testing
the
first
ending
by
the
epidemic,
will
often
hear
the
term.
O
Ehg
is
something
that
this
legislation
would
support,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
your
willingness
and
staying
with
us
to
allow
us
to
offer
some
information
on
senate
bill
211..
O
So
just
some
points
to
consider
when
we
look
at
this
legislation.
Unfortunately,
I'd
say
that
nevada
has
insist.
They
had
some
of
the
hype
of
hiv
and
stis
in
the
united
states,
annual
increases
and
also
presentation,
you'll
hear
that
from
stds
and
s
guys
interchangeably,
please
detect
some
more.
A
O
A
Radelef,
I'm
going
to
interrupt
you
other
committee
members.
Are
you
also
having
a
hard
time
hearing
her.
A
O
Okay,
let
me
see
if
I
can
put
on
my
headphones.
O
O
Thank
you
and
I'll
try
to
slow
down
too.
I
have
kind
of
a
quick
cadence
with
my
presentations
style,
so
I'm
sorry
to
committee
for
that
actually.
O
Sounds
good!
Thank
you
so
much
cheer,
ratty
and
again.
I
hopefully
just
find
me
if
you
can
hear
me
so
just
to
begin
with
nevada
has
consistently
had
some
of
the
highest
hiv
stis
in
united
states
annual
increases
and
just
for
just
a
little
bit
for
their
patients.
O
They
used
more
on
public
health
rhetoric
and
then
stds
are
more
I'd,
say:
code
majority
of
hiv
cases
in
nevada
are
often
diagnosed
in
inpatient
or
outpatient
hospitals
and
private
physician
offices,
and
also
we
see
similarities
for
that
for
stds
and
you'll
see
a
slide
later,
but
impatient,
especially
for
aids.
A
A
So
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
take
a
one
minute
recess
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
try
calling
in
on
a
phone
line
muting
your
your
zoom
call
where
you
could
still
do
the
presentation,
but
maybe
maybe,
if
we
had
you
on
the
phone
that
your
audio
would
be
coming
through
better.
O
A
character
is
there
a
way
that
we
might
be
able
to
like
go
out
at
this.
Put
the
phone
line
in
the
chat.
A
F
A
Is
rolling
and
you
call
the
meeting
to
order
when
you're
ready
great
and
thank
you
bps
for
everything
that
you've
done
to
get
us
back
on
track
so
again,
gioretti
I'm
going
to
call
back
to
order
the
meaning
of
the
senate,
health
and
human
services
committee.
We
are,
are
back
live
and
it
looks
like
we
have.
Our
technical
difficulties
worked
out.
So
I'd
like
to
turn
it
back
over
to
miss
rateloff
to
continue
the
presentation
you
might
start
from
the
top.
I
don't
think
we
we
got
most
of
it.
P
P
I
appreciate
your
your
non-verbals,
so
I
just
wanted
to
start
that.
There's
some
points
to
consider
with
this
legislation
that
senator
harris
did
an
amazing
job.
P
Giving
an
overview
is
that
nevada
does
have
consistently
some
of
the
highest
rates
of
hiv
and
stis
in
the
united
states,
and
we've
also
seen
annual
increases
and
just
for
a
point
of
clarity
that
often
you'll
see
stds
and
stis
used
interchangeably.
My
understanding
is
that
stis
typically
is
seen
more
than
public
health.
P
By
their
medical
providers,
but
unfortunately
I'd
say
that
many
providers,
you
know,
offer
testing
based
on
a
subjective,
not
a
routine
approach
which
may
be
like,
let's
say
signs
or
symptoms,
it
could
be
for
some
providers.
They
may
lack
supportive
policies
for
offering
routine
hiv
and
sti
testing
within
their
practices.
P
There
may
be
a
lack
of
awareness
of
clients
or
patients,
hiv
or
sti
risk.
They
may
not
offer
testing
due
to
stigma
and
then
also
assumptions
about
patients
lives
and
that
we
do
see
that
there
has
been
some
research
that
only
about
a
third
of
providers
nationally
ask
about
sexual
history
or
risk,
and
that
often
refer
patients
to
local
health
districts
or
even
I'd
say
in
especially
our
rural
areas,
their
community
health
nurse
and
just
on
a
side
note,
I
just
completed
a
training.
P
Last
week,
it's
a
it's
a
process
called
academic
detailing,
where
we
use
kind
of
the
techniques
that
many
pharmaceutical
reps
do
and
public
health
goes
and
talks
to
providers,
and
that
I'd
say
a
very
common
issue
throughout
the
united
states.
Is
that
you
know
again
working
with
providers
and
to
give
providers
support
on
how
to
do
sexual
histories
so
for
the
next
screen?
P
Also,
we
want
to
really
think
about
access
to
routine
confidential
and
convenient
hiv
testing,
as
mentioned
is
one
of
the
pillars
in
the
united
states,
not
only
within
the
clark
county,
ending
the
hiv
epidemic
kind
of
the
form
and,
if
you're
interested
in
this
document,
it
can
be
found
in
endhive
nevada.org
and
I
believe
we
have
some
of
those
resources.
That's
part
of
the
nevada
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health,
it's
on
the
website,
and
that
this
also
supports
a
nevada's
fast
track
initiative.
P
There
is
also
potential
revenue
potential
with
the
center
for
red
care
and
medicaid
services
and
their
electronic
health
record
meaningful
use
incentive
program,
as
mentioned
by
senator
harris,
we
have
seen
similar
legislation
that
was
passed
in
2010
in
new
york
state.
The
focus
was
on
hiv
testing
and
that
the
research
did
show
that
evaluated
this.
This
policy
that
there
was
an
increase
in
the
volume
of
hiv
testing.
P
So
this
is
just
a
little
bit
some
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
hearing
the
terms,
conte
continue
of
care
and
sorry,
sometimes
I'm
in
the
public
health
world.
So
much
that
I
just
assume
everybody
knows
what
I'm
talking
about
with
the
continuum
of
care,
but
maybe
everybody
doesn't-
and
this
is
a
little
different,
because
it's
really
kind
of
this
notion
about
continuum
of
hiv
care
not
just
for
treatment,
but
also
for
prevention,
and
also
you'll,
hear
a
lot
with
the
continuum
of
care.
P
You're
going
to
hear
this
and
you'll
see
a
slide
later,
which
talks
about
like
90
90
90.,
so
the
goal
is
going
to
be
for
everybody,
like
90
of
folks,
to
know
their
status,
90
of
those
folks
who
are
diagnosed
with
hiv
to
get
into
care
and
then
ideally
90
percent,
to
become
priorly
suppressed,
which
means
if
they
have
hiv
their
levels
of
hiv
can
get
to
a
point
which
is
known
as
undetectable,
which
means
it's
in
such
low
amounts
that
there's
a
whole
campaign
too.
Called?
U
equals?
U
or
undetectable
means
untransmittable.
P
So
it's
extremely
powerful
with
this,
and
that
we're
seeing
this
too,
that
you
know
when
people
have
such
low
viral
loads,
they
will
not
transmit
the
virus
and
that's
also
going
to
drop
what
we
known
as
the
community
viral
load.
But
the
same
thing,
too,
is
let's
say
for
testing:
let's
say
if
somebody
tests
negative
or
non-reactive,
we
want
to
link
them
in
with
prevention
services,
and
so
I
think,
there's
been
some
discussion
and
some
other
bills
about
things
such
as
prep,
which
is
pre-exposure
prophylaxis.
So
it's
much
like
it's
medication.
P
A
A
P
Thank
you
so
a
little
bit
too,
with
ending
the
hiv
epidemic
in
the
united
states,
and
I
think
and
again
I
want
to
thank
my
colleague,
jennifer
howe.
For
this.
I
think
she
did
an
amazing
job,
but
I
think
it's
pretty
powerful
when
we
see
that
when
we
look
at
hiv
transmissions-
and
I
know
this
is
2016-
that
for
those
folks
who
didn't
know
they
had
hiv
and
so
that
might
be
15
of
the
folks
that
that
accounted
for
about
38
of
new
transmission
and
so
I'll.
P
Let
you
just
look
at
the
slide
on
this,
but,
as
you
can
see,
with
51
of
those
folks
who
knew
again,
their
status
they've
been
taking
their
medication
that
accounted
for
zero
percent
of
new
transmissions
and
as
senator
harris
was
mentioning,
the
key
tenants
of
the
ending
the
hiv
epidemic
are
diagnosed
hiv
as
early
as
possible.
So
diagnose
treat
hiv
as
quickly
as
possible,
protect
and
then
I'm
sorry
on
this
and
then
also
respond
and
again
the
same.
I
think
we
can
say
these
pillars
can
also
be
applied
to
stis
as
well.
P
So,
a
little
bit
in
case
you're
wondering
about
hiv
in
nevada,
hiv,
at
least
with
nevada.
We
do
have
some
of
the
highest
rates
or
19.8
percent
of
the
new
infections
in
the
western
united
states.
The
centers
for
disease
control
estimates
that
only
about
41.7
percent
of
nevada's
population
has
never
been
tested
for
hiv.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
be
really
concerned
about
and
of
those
living
with
hiv.
Only
about
80
percent
have
been
diagnosed
so
again
when
you
think
about
that
number.
P
Those
are
folks
who
are
living
with
hiv,
but
they
don't
know
their
status
and
nationally,
we
see
about
one
out
of
seven
folks,
basically
are
unaware
of
their
hiv
status,
but
in
nevada.
P
Three
again,
the
majority
are
in
clark
county
and
just
on
a
side.
Note
too,
because
I
know
there's
some
legislation
which
I
think
is
really
powerful
when
we're
talking
about
getting
information
about
folks
who
are
in
terms
of
like
sexual
orientation
and
gender
identity.
Is
that
part
of
the
collection?
It's
not
reflected
on
the
slide,
but
we
do
collect
information
on
people's
basically
assign
sex
at
birth
in
their
current
gender
identity,
so
that
information
is
captured
as
part
of
this
when
we
do.
P
Basically,
our
disease
investigators
are
getting
information
about
our
clients,
so
this
is
just
a
little
bit
kind
of
going
into
that
care
continuum
which
is
mentioned
so
again,
the
folks
who
are
diagnosed.
This
is
2019
with
hiv,
the
100
percent
who
are
diagnosed.
P
You
can
see
that
about
almost
I'd,
say:
72
percent
are
linked
to
care,
which,
I
think
is
you
know
again
it's
it's
good
and
I
know
within
our
ryan
white
programs
it's
slightly
higher,
but
I
know
this
is
our
goal,
as
we
heard
is
90
90
90,
and
that
almost
29
of
people
who
are
living
with
hiv
are
retained
in
care,
and
so
the
other
part
on
that
too,
is
that
I'm
sorry
as
I'm
going
through
my
notes
is
that
about
almost
26
of
folks,
who
are
people
who
are
living
with
hiv
are
virally
suppressed.
P
So
this
just.
I
won't
go
too
much
into
information
on
this,
but
this
does
give
information
about
in
terms
of
where
people
were
diagnosed
with
hiv,
and
you
can
see
the
numbers,
as
we
were
talking
about
with
private
physicians,
office
and
inpatient
facilities
as
well
as
outpatient
and
that's
for
hiv
and
then
for
folks
who
are
diagnosed
with
either
aids
or
stage
three.
P
I
think
it's
really
important
that
note
in
terms
of
inpatient,
if
you
think
about
that
those
are
people
who
were
diagnosed,
who
were
in
the
hospital
and
by
the
time
people
are
in
the
hospital
and
given
a
diagnosis
of
let's
say,
not
just
a
hiv
but
they've
been
diagnosed
with
stage.
Three,
these
folks
could
be
really
sick
and
again,
I
think
what
we
need
to
think
about
this.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
hopefully
people
if
they
can
test
before
this
point
right-
and
you
know
again,
we
can
have
routine
testing
that
as
soon
as
someone
is
diagnosed
with
hiv,
we
can
ideally
get
them
into
care
and
get
them
virally
suppressed.
So
we
can
keep
them
healthy,
and
so
this
is
just
something
that
just
recently
came
out
from
the
centers
for
disease
control
and,
as
you
can
see,
I
mean
I
think
it's
pretty
powerful
to
think
about
that
about
16
billion
dollars.
P
We're
looking
at
you
know
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
stis
is
from
direct
medical
cost
and
that
1.1
billion
are
associated
directly
with
chlamydia,
gonorrhea
and
syphilis,
and
just
some
things
to
think
about
that
again.
These
are
direct
medical
costs,
but
they're
not
always
taking
into
account
to
account
some
of
the
indirect
cost.
So
we're
talking
things
such
as
infertility
and
that
can
be
associated
with,
let's
say
gunnery
and
chlamydia
or
pelvic
inflammatory
disease,
cervical
cancer,
ectopic
pregnancies
and
then,
of
course,
heart
and
blood
vessel
damage.
P
So,
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
about
the
kind
of
what
we're
seeing
about
the
state
of
stis
in
nevada
for
2019
the
totals
and
all
this
information
too,
if
anyone's
interested,
our
department
of
behavioral
and
public
health
hold
on
the
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health,
they're
called
fast
facts
and
they're,
really
great
documents,
so
I'd
say
check
them
out
and
every
year
they
come
out.
So
our
most
recent
statistics,
you
can
see
quite
a
few
cases
of
chlamydia
we
are
currently
and
this
was
for
2018.
P
P
We
were
27
21
in
2017
34
in
2018
and
2019,
as
mentioned
we're
at
41..
So
those
rates
that
we're
going
up,
I
mean
exponentially,
are
a
major
concern
to
us,
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
congenital
syphilis,
unfortunately
we're
not
alone
we're
seeing
an
increase
of
congenital
syphilis
across
the
united
states
as
well,
and
so
this
just
kind
of
if
you
ever
get
a
chance.
P
You
can
check
out
this
map
and,
as
you
can
see
generally
highly
highlighted
in
terms
of
kind
of
where
our
ranks
are
for
primary
and
secondary
syphilis
and
as
well
as
for
congenital
syphilis.
We're
number
two
and
we're
between
texas
and
louisiana,
and
you
can
again
usually
the
lion's
share
of
cases.
For
at
least
my
understanding
of
congenital
syphilis
is
for
clark
county
as
well
as
washout.
P
So
what
are
some
things
that
we're
hoping
that
this
legislation
will
be
able
to
do?
I
think
it's
hopefully
going
to
help
help
us
open
testing
access
to
people
with
a
primary
care
medical
home.
Again,
I
think
what
we
have
seen,
especially-
and
as
mentioned,
I
think
I
want
to
say
senator
harris
just
mentioned
about
this.
I
think
we've
seen
with
kovid
that
from
the
beginning
of
the
coveted
pandemic,
you
know
in
march
of
2020.
P
Until
now,
the
number
of
places
that
people
can
access
testing
has
just
increased
exponentially
and
I'm
speaking
as
someone
just
on
a
side
note,
I
was
trained
as
a
disease
investigator.
So
many
of
us,
how
could
I
say
we?
We
shifted
our
roles
to
address
the
pandemic,
so
I
worked
cases
with
covid
and
again
just
to
see
the
changes
that
have
occurred
really
within
a
year.
It's
pretty
incredible
also
to
offer
testing
as
a
standard
of
care.
P
Where
many
people
who
are
you
know
are
already
receiving
care,
so
that's
not
only
emergency
departments
but
places
like
urgent,
cares
and
also
again
people's
primary
providers.
I
think
it's
also.
I
I
shouldn't
say:
I
think
I
hope
that
the
hope
is
that
it's
going
to
reduce
stigma
by
creating
a
standard
of
testing
for
hiv
and
stis.
P
Also,
it's
important.
This
thought
about
being
able
to
collaborate
with
public
health,
community
and
practitioners
to
identify
cases
for
public
health
intervention
to
also
decrease
case
numbers
over
time
and
again.
I
think
this
is
really
important
too.
Just
something
to
be
aware
of
is
that
for
many
sexually
transmitted
infections,
they
are
silent.
P
So
I
know
one
study
that
I
was
looking
at
from
the
cdc
I
want
to
say
2015
or
16,
but
estimates
varied,
but
between
only
about
10
of
men
and
5
to
30
percent
or
30
percent
of
women
with
lab
confirmed
chlamydia
developed
any
signs
or
symptoms.
So,
what's
that
saying
to
me,
is
about
90
of
men
and
any
about
70
of
females
didn't
have
any
signs
or
symptoms,
so
they
might
not
have
been
tested
because
they
didn't.
They
wouldn't
have
presented
that
to
their
providers,
they
might
not
have
known.
P
We
also
want
to
increase
the
number
of
people
who
know
their
disease
status,
so
proper
referrals
and
care
plans
could
be
made.
We
want
to
have
opportunities
for
provider
reimbursements
of
cost.
Also.
We
want
to
find
infections
sooner
to
really
reduce.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
impact
of
those
infections
on
folks
and
also
to
stop
transmission,
because
really
that's
the
goal
of
public
health
is
to
stop
the
spread
of
you
know
communicable
diseases.
P
I
should
say
the
goal
of
public
health.
I
think
about
my
department,
I'm
with
the
office
of
epidemiology
and
disease
surveillance.
So
that's
kind
of
our.
I
would
say
that's
one
of
our
main
initiatives
and
also
promote
not
only
ending
the
hiv
epidemic
initiatives,
but
also
fast
track
initiatives,
and
I
believe,
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
the
committee
and
chair
ratty.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
present
and
being
very
patient
with
my
technology
problems
early
on.
A
You
bet
all
right,
senator
harris
is
that
the
end
of
the
presentation
are
we
ready
for.
G
We
know
that
in
the
in
the
70s
and
80s,
one
of
the
things
that
allowed
hiv
and
then
aids
to
blossom
so
fast
was
the
fact
that
it
was
not
considered.
It
was
considered
a
disease
that
only
some
people
got
and
if
you
weren't
that
type
type
of
person
you
didn't
have
to
worry
about
getting
it.
So
here's
the
question
for
the
stis,
the
stds,
what
why
is
it?
Why
is
it
rising
so
fast
and
is?
Is
it
a
consequence
of
of
some
people
thinking?
G
D
It
does
vice
chair
spearman.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
If
I
can
chair
ready,
I
will
defer
to
miss
radel
off
on.
I
believe
she
has
a
bit
more
expertise
in
what
might
be
causing
the
upticks
in
cases
that
than
I
would
if
she
could
unmute.
That
would
be
great.
P
Thank
you
senator
harris.
Well,
I
think
my
understanding
what
I'm
hearing
from
senator
spearman
as
I
think
early
in
the
hiv
pandemic,
I
think
you're
exactly
right.
I
think
the
assumption
was
that
you
know
hiv.
We
sought
predominantly
among
certain
communities,
and
I'd
say
that
you
know
I
think
what's
been.
Changing
too,
is
that
we
are
seeing
it
among
some
of
the
same
communities
that
were
with
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
but
also,
I
think
it's
not
just
sexual
transmission.
P
I
think
something
also
that
we're
aware
within
our
communities
and
while
we're
also,
I
know,
there's
some
other
initiatives.
I
I
don't
think
we
can
really
forget
about.
You
know
like
the
spread
of
hiv
through
blood
blood
contact,
and
that
can
be
through
people
who
use
injectable
drugs,
so
that
can
be
another
method
and
we
are
seeing
that
it
can
be
other
blood
contact
as
well.
P
But
I
would
say
in
terms
of
with
this
notion
too,
is
that
again
I
think
the
only
way-
and
I
will
say
this-
that
people
you
know
we
often
look
at
categories
of
how
people
may
be
exposed
to
hiv,
but
the
only
way
that
people
really
know
in
terms
of
you
know
in
terms
when
we
look
at
categories
you
have
to
you
have
to
test,
you
have
to
know
your
status
and
I
think
for
many
people,
our
rates
for
let's
say
mother
to
child
transmission
of
hiv
are
extremely
low.
P
But
you
know
again,
there
are
many
people.
If
they
again,
I
would
say
unless
you
test,
you
wouldn't
know
your
status,
and
I
don't
know
if
I
answered
your
question.
Senator
spearman,
but.
P
G
I
think
you
did
the
the
next
question
would
be:
do
you
have
a
handle
on
the
age
groups,
the
youngest.
A
P
I'm
sorry
senator
ready,
so
this
is
cheryl
radloff
for
the
record.
I
think
if
you
were
asking
in
terms
of
the
age
groups
that
we're
seeing
with
both
hiv
and
stis,
it's
my
understanding,
typically,
that
our
highest
rates
that
we
see
with
hiv,
I
know
we're
doing
a
lot
of
we're
addressing
efforts
towards
youth
and
young
adults
so
13
to
24..
P
P
P
We
still
see
some
pretty
high
rates
and
and
I'd
say
that
we
see
I
I
want
to
say
you
know
less
amounts,
probably
the
50
and
over,
but
we
are
still
seeing
you
know
in
terms
of
not
only
people
who
are
newly
diagnosed
but
newly
infected.
You
know
people
living
with
hiv
and
then
on
the
side.
P
The
age
groups
tend
to
be
a
little
older
when
we're
looking
at
people
who've
been
living
with
hiv
and
that's
because
if
you
think
about
it,
those
numbers
when
we
saw
the
state
of
nevada
that
had,
I
think
it
was
over
11
000.
I
could
be
wrong
on
this,
but
those
could
be
people
who
were
diagnosed
back
in
the
early
days
of
the
hiv
pandemic.
P
G
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
sort
of
the
logistics
of
the
bill,
so
the
the
the
requirement
is
that
the
testing
be
offered
and,
if
feasible,
done
in
an
emergency
or
primary
setting
right
so
a
or
so
a
is
a
reason.
J
Urgent
care
is
not
included,
but
emergency
is
and
then
b
help
me
understand
the
the
various
tests
that
may
be
necessary
to
sort
of
run
the
gamut
of
what
we're
trying
to
test
for
and
what
the
sort
of
feedback
loop
time
is
for
those
testings,
as
I
assume
they're
blood
tests,
but
maybe.
D
I'll
I'll
start
and
then
I'll
ask
miss
rateloff
to
maybe
supplement
so
it's
my
understanding
that
their
primary
care
providers
are
covered,
and
there
are
many
people
who
use
urgent
cares
as
as
primary
care
providers,
and
so
the
the
physicians
in
those
facilities
would
be
covered
under
the
bill
and
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
take
a
look
at
a
possible
amendment.
D
If
I
feel
if
we
feel
that
that's
needed
now
when
it
comes
to
asking
for
the
testing,
you
are
correct,
they
need
to
just
ask
and
then,
if
they
can
do
it
in-house,
do
it
if
they
offer
it
they're
great,
if
not
assist
in
facilitating
that
testing
and
and
often
I
know
many
of
the
members
here
go
to
the
doctor
regularly.
Often
it's
a
a
form
for
you
to
go
off
to
you,
know,
labcorp
or
quest
or
whatever
the
testing
facility.
Your
insurance
covers
the
way
I
envision.
D
This
working
is
not
particularly
to
cover
any
sexually
transmitted
diseases,
but
more
the
general
panel
of
tests
that
are
done
for
stis.
It's
not
meant
to
create
any
additional
testing
for
things
that
we
don't
already
do.
If
you
were
to
go
into
ask
your
doctor
right
now,
hey
I'd
like
to
get
a
test
on
for
for
stds.
D
These
are
kind
of
well
established
practices,
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
they're
offering
them
to
everyone
as
a
regular
course
of
practice,
and
at
this
time
I'll
ask
miss
rattle
off
if
she
can
to
come
off
mute
and
maybe
give
some
more
supplement
and
then
discuss.
If
she
knows
what
the
traditional
turnaround
time
is
for
this
type
of.
P
Testing
this
is
cheryl
radloff
for
the
record,
so
I
think
in
regards
to
the
test.
Maybe
I'll
start
with
that
question.
Typically,
when
you
asked,
I
believe,
I'm
sorry,
the
senator
who
asked
the
question
the
types
of
tests
blood
tests
typically
are
associated
with
testing
for
hiv
and
syphilis.
P
P
Syphilis,
as
I
mentioned,
is
a
blood
test
for
gonorrhea
and
chlamydia.
Typically
again,
we
are
now
advocating
it's
known
as
three
site
testing,
so
I
will
try
not
to
go
into
my
usual
disease
investigator
kind
of
lingo
on
this
too
much,
but
basically
we
want
to
basically
those
tests.
You
can't
get
the
information
through
a
blood
test,
so
it
has
to
be
site
specific,
so
you
think
about
like
covet.
It's
like
it
can
either
be
like
the
I
know,
like
one
test
is
by
blood.
P
The
other
is
like,
through
the
nose
like
the
nasal
pharyngeal,
so
for
gunnery
and
chlamydia
those
testing
you
want
to.
How
could
I
say
you
want
to
perform
the
test
in
the
place
that
people
might
have
been
exposed?
P
I
don't
know
how
much
detail
you'd
like
me
to
go
into,
but
I'm
okay
not
going
into
the
detail,
but
I'm
fine
doing
that
as
well
and
so
mine,
okay,
thank
you.
This
is
cheryl
radloff
for
the
record.
So
what
I
heard
it
sounds
like
we're
all
good
on
that
and
I'm
trying
to
think
the
other
questions.
P
Hopefully
I
can
answer
on
this.
I
I
would
assume,
too,
that
urgent
cares
are
also
under
this
legislation
because,
as
mentioned
by
senator
harris
that
many
people
do
use
urgent
cares
as
their
primary
providers
and
what
was
the
other
question?
I'm
sorry.
J
I
think
it
was
thank
you
I
appreciate
it.
I
think
there
was.
I
had
questions
about.
I
guess,
is
there
a
standard
panel
when
it
says
stds
are
we
spent?
Are
we?
Is
that
specific
for
or
which
diseases
are
going
to
be
tested
for.
P
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
that
question.
This
is
sheryl
radloff
again
for
the
record,
so
the
typical
tests
that
are
performed
usually
with
an
sti
or
an
std
panel
would
be
hiv
syphilis,
gunnery
and
chlamydia.
P
This
is
sheryl
radloff
for
the
record
again,
so
it
could
be
a
physical
inspection,
but
again
the
blood
draw
would
be
for
hiv
and
syphilis
and
depending
it
could
be
a
blood
draw
through,
let's
say
the
arm
or
another
place
and
again
the
rapid
test
usually
is
a
finger.
Stick.
The
home
test
for
hiv
is
actually
it's
known
as
an
oral
mucosa.
So
it's
a
cheek
squad
and
that
can
take
about
20
minutes,
but
then
the
gonorrhea
and
the
chlamydia
could
either
be
I'm
just
going
to
go
here.
P
It
can
be
a
urine
sample
or
it
can
be
site
specific
where
people
might
have
been
exposed.
So
that
would
be
part
of
that
dialogue
with
the
provider.
To
actually
do
part
of
the
sexual
history
is
to
get
an
idea
of
where
they
might
have
been
exposed
to
the
proper
tests
could
be
done
and
just
to
follow
up.
So
let's
say:
if
somebody
does,
you
know
if
you
were
just
to
get
a
urine
sample
and
let's
say
people
were
engaging
in
activities
that
could
put
them
risk
that
wouldn't
involve
that
sample.
D
And
senator
kikifer,
if
I,
if
I
just
made
very
quickly,
I
think,
miss
rattle
off
hit
on
the
that
I
find
very
important.
This
is
meant
to
be
a
discussion
between
the
patient
and
their
doctor,
and
so
what
tests
are
appropriate
to
run,
and
when
is
something
that
that
I
am
not
going
to
prescribe
from
the
state
level.
J
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
agree,
and
I
guess
what
my
concern
might
be-
is
that
in
an
er
setting
right,
it's
not
necessarily
that
the
patient
and
their
doctor
and
that
type
of
conversation
may
be
difficult.
I
don't
know,
and
then
I
guess.
Finally,
the
question
is:
what
about
billing
for
these
services?
Are
these
covered
under
aca
preventative
care
coverage?
So
there
there's
no
charge
to
patients
for
these
services,
or
are
these
generally
billed
out
to
patients
if
they're,
uninsured
or
underinsured.
D
So
I'll
I'll
start
and
mrs
radel
off
may
know
a
little
bit
more,
it's
my
intention
that
these
will
be
billed
in
the
same
way
that
they
are
currently
billed,
and
so
I
imagine
for
some
folks
if
they
have
the
aca
they're
covered
under
preventative
services,
I
imagine
for
others
they
have
their
insurance
provider
cover
the
test
with
you
know,
maybe
there's
a
copay
or
not.
This
bill
would
not
affect
how
those
are
are,
are
billed
through
your
insurance
or
or
through
your
provider
or
any
other
mechanism.
A
A
Then
it's
wonderful
to
put
it
into
the
law,
but
I
guess
what's
your
what's
your
ideal
vision
for
the
rollout
plan
so
that
doctors
and
frankly
other
medical
professionals-
and
I
I
think
to
senator
key
kepler's
question
about
you-
know
who
do
folks
have
a
medical
relationship
with,
and
so
this
does
include
physician
physician
assistant,
advanced
practice
registered
nurse
midwife.
A
So
it
sounds
like
if
they
have
a
relationship
with
and
they
may
not
have
a
relationship
at
all
I
mean
the
relationship
may
be
that
visit
in
the
emergency
room
or
that
visit
in
a
federally
qualified
healthcare
center
or
that
visit
with
their
primary
doctor
that
they've
known
forever.
A
But
I
guess
my
question
is:
how
do
we
get
the
word
out
to
providers
that
this
is
something
that
they're
supposed
to
do?
Are
we
able
to
provide,
through
the
public
health
systems,
some
education
or
some
information?
Are
we
hoping
that
the
medical
association
is
going
to
help
out
with
this?
Who
are
your
partners
to
get
out
the
word?
So
this
is
not
just
words
on
paper
but
actually
makes
a
difference.
D
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Chair
ready,
I
think
you're,
hitting
on
an
important
point.
As
as
you
see,
I've
got
the
departments
of
of
health
for
both
washoe
and
southern
nevada
kind
of
working
with
me
on
this.
I
imagine
that
they
would
be
a
conduit
at
one
conduit
to
get
the
information
out.
It's
also
my
understanding
that,
generally,
this
is
good
medical
practice
to
be
asking
for
for
these
tests,
and
so
I'm
hoping
it
won't
be
too
much
of
a
lift
to
get
the
word
out.
E
E
K
Hello,
this
is
andre
wade,
a
n
d,
r
e
w
a
d.
Thank
you,
chair,
ready
vice
chair
spearman
and
members
of
the
committee
and
senator
spearman
for
bringing
forth
this
bill.
My
name
is
andre
wade,
state
director
for
service
data
quality
and
by
fyi,
chair
of
the
governor's
task
force
on
hiv,
modernization
and
just
want
to
call
in
in
support
of
sb
211.
K
I
was
just
in
a
meeting
with
someone
from
the
office
of
infectious
disease
and
hiv
aids
policy
for
the
united
states,
and
we
talked
about
ending
the
hiv
epidemic
plan
statewide
and
at
the
local
level,
where
a
huge
piece
of
ending
the
epidemic
is
finding
out
one
status
and
that's
through
testing,
so
this
would
greatly
increase
people's
knowledge
of
their
status
and,
as
dr
rydolf
mentioned
earlier,
those
who
are
unknown
that
don't
know
their
status
tend
to
be
the
ones
that
transmit
hiv
annoyingly
so
again,
knowing
someone's
status
is
very
helpful
and
also
when
we
normalize
testing
and
healthcare
environments
throughout
the
system
it
destigmatizes
hiv.
K
N
K
So
if
healthcare
providers
are
to
have
after
patients
who
they
want
to
be
tested
or
not
for
hiv
and
the
tis,
I
think
it'll
do
a
world
of
difference
for
us
in
nevada,
where
the
rates
are
extremely
extremely
high.
That
means
my
testimony.
Thank
you
very.
E
K
E
F
F
F
E
F
F
So
I'm
calling
on
behalf
of
the
southern
nevada
asian
pacific
islander
career
society,
also
known
as
I'm
also
a
concerned
registered
nurse.
I
wanted
to
express
support
of
sb201
because
it
establishes
requirements
for
testing
for
hiv
and
other
stds.
F
Just
wanting
to
reiterate
what
mr
adelock
was
saying,
with
the
incidences
of
stds
and
hiv
nevada
right,
fifth
and
new
heavy
diagnosis,
eighth
front
of
a
new
aids
diagnosis,
first
for
primary
and
secondary
syphilis
and
eleventh
and
hiv
diet,
thus
just
making
it
a
public
health
issue.
Current
medical
practices
require
a
patient
to
initiate
the
conversation
regarding
their
desire
to
obtain
an
hiv
and
std
rather
than
the
provider
initiating
the
conversation
and
making
it
easier
to
get
a
test
with
this
bill
requiring
providers
to
ask
patients
if
they
would
like
to
be
tested.
F
This
would
allow
for
greater
identification,
removes
the
barrier
to
testing,
improve
treatment
outcomes
and
reduce
stigma
surrounding
the
issue.
Hiv
and
std
disproportionately
affect
the
api
community
and
the
lgbtq
plus
community,
so
I
think
sb201
could
start
moving
about
in
a
better
direction
and
the
hiv
epidemic.
That
is
the
end
of
my
testimony.
A
E
E
K
Joseph
heck
heck
redrock
government
relations
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
osteopathic
medical
association,
while
we
would
encourage
all
primary
care
providers
to
be
better
disciplined
in
bringing
up
this
conversation
with
their
patients,
we
have
significant
concerns
with
the
bill
as
drafted,
which
are
laid
out
in
a
letter
that
is
part
of
the
exhibits
in
nellis,
but
to
discuss
some
of
the
points
that
were
brought
up
during
the
presentation.
K
While
most
of
the
presentation
revolves
around
testing
for
hiv,
the
bill
is
much
more
encompassing
to
include
stds,
of
which
there
are
more
than
20,
with
no
requirement
for
there
to
be
any
clinical
correlation
to
the
tests
that
are
being
ordered.
So
it
begs
the
question
which
tests
should
be
ordered
if
there
is
just
a
blanket
requirement.
K
The
issue
regarding
cost
has
been
already
addressed,
while
the
affordable
care
act
does
provide
for
services
to
require
services
to
be
covered,
as
recommended
by
the
united
states
preventive
services
task
force.
It
should
be
noted,
for
instance,
that
this
only
is
true
for
recommended
a
and
b
recommendations.
K
So
for
men
there
is
no
recommendation
for
gonorrhea
or
chlamydia.
So,
therefore,
that
would
be
an
out
of
pocket
expense
for
syphilis.
K
It's
a
recommendation
a
only
in
certain
categories
of
individuals
that
have
other
high-risk
criteria,
so
it
can't
just
be
a
blanket
test
and
then
be
covered
in
addition
having
these
done
in
the
emergency
department,
significantly
increased
costs.
As
we
all
know,
the
emergency
department
is
the
most
expensive
place
to
receive
care
and
would
have
no
direct
connection
to
the
potential
presenting
complaint
of
the
patient
right.
16
year
old
from
a
high
school
football
game
comes
in
with
a
sprained
ankle
he's
going
to
get
an
x-ray.
K
If
that's
the
time
where
you
want
to
start
bringing
up
a
conversation
about
testing
for
stds.
So
while
we
applaud
the
efforts
to
increase
diagnosis
prevention
and
treatment,
there
are
significant
logistical
concerns
with
the
bill
as
drafted.
That
concludes
my
testimony.
Thank
you.
E
E
A
O
O
We
have
spoken
with
senator
harris
and
we
are
working
with
the
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health
and
other
partners
to
mitigate
some
of
those
costs.
We
do
feel
that
this
is
good
policy
and
is
in
line
with
promotional
efforts
that
the
division
did
in
conjunction
with
the
division
of
public
and
behavioral
health,
to
promote
std
testing
through
its
fee-for-service
and
managed
care
programs.
Thank.
A
All
right
not
seeing
anyone
I'm
to
close
the
public
testimony
and
take
it
back
to
the
sponsor
to
see.
If
you
have
any
closing
comments
on
sb
211.
D
Thank
you
so
much
chair
ratty.
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things
as
we
head
out
of
this
hearing.
This
is
not
a
test,
for
this
is
not
a
a
bill
that
requires
mandatory
testing.
D
The
only
thing
this
bill
requires
is
that
you
ask
what
tests
are
performed
will
be
a
conversation
between
the
doctor
and
the
patient,
as
it
should
be.
So
I
just
I
wanted
to
make
it
very
very
clear
that
there
is
no
requirement
that
someone
be
tested
for
every
std
under
the
planet.
Simply
that
the
doctor
asks.
Would
you
like
a
test
for
stds
and
hiv,
and
I
think
we've
seen
what
the
numbers
were
in
this
radiolog's
presentation
and
simply
by
by
by
requiring
doctors
to
ask
for
these
testings.
D
We
can
make
a
huge,
huge
dent
in
those
numbers.
Thank
you,
chair,
ready.
A
Thank
you
all
right
with
that.
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
sb
211,
and
that
is
the
last
item
for
our
agenda
today,
miss
kamasi,
I'm
assuming
we
don't
have
any
bill
introductions
or
anything
else.
We
need
to
take
care
of
today,
not
that
I'm
aware
of
okay,
great
so
with
that,
then
the
last
part
of
our
agenda
today
will
be
public
comment.
This
is
the
time
where
members
of
the
public
can
comment
on
anything.
E
E
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
once
again,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
team
at
broadcast
services
here
at
the
legislature.
Who's
been
working
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
do
these
virtual
meetings.
I'd
like
to
thank
our
staff
at
the
legislative
council
bureau
as
well
also
been
busy
the
last
few
weeks
and
are
going
to
continue
to
get
busier
as
we
approach
deadline
days
and
thank
you
to
all
the
members
of
the
committee
for
your
time
and
attention
today.
A
We
do
have
a
number
of
bills
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
heard
and
I'm
aware
of
several
more
committee
bills
that
will
likely
end
up
our
way
so
just
keep
your
tuesday
and
thursday
evenings
open,
because
I
think
we
will
probably
be
going
into
the
evening
in
our
in
order
to
get
our
bills
across
the
finish
line
by
the
at
least
the
bills
that
deserve
to
get
across
the
finish
line
by
the
deadline
on
april
9th.
A
So
with
that,
consider
yourselves
warned
and
appreciate
everybody's
time
and
attention,
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.