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geinin,
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nicholas
anthony,
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us
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again
because
he
is
a
feverish
working
on
all
of
the
bills
that
we
intend
to
introduce
before
monday,
so
he's
busy
in
drafting.
However,
as
always,
he
is
very
generous
with
his
time
to
answer
our
questions
after
the
meeting.
If
we
have
them.
A
Mr
guyan
and
I
take
very
detailed
notes
on
all
the
questions
that
go
back
to
a
committee
council
for
clarification
and
with
that
I
think
we
are
ready
to
move
to
our
first
and
only
bill
hearing
for
today.
For
those
of
you
who
are
joining
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or
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afar,
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to
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A
Click
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and
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will
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it
over
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our
special
guest,
who
we
are
very,
very
happy
to
have
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us
today.
E
Thank
you,
chair
scheible.
Thank
you
for
number
one
hearing
this
bill
and
this
bill
is
not
without
its
own
level
of
controversy.
So
I
appreciate
at
least
having
the
platform
to
discuss
the
policy
I
want
to
set
the
stage
for
sv
140..
E
E
On
the
assembly
side,
I
chaired
the
subcommittee
in
ways
on
public
safety,
and
it
was
the
first
time
I
had
heard
about
the
wages
and
the
prison
industry
set
up,
and
I
became
deeply
concerned
because
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
work
opportunities
that
were
happening
within
within
ndot
ndoc
within
the
two
years
of
pending
release
that
there
was
at
least
some
form
of,
I
guess-
independence
with
those
wages.
E
But
what
I
knew
to
be
the
truth
was
that
formerly
incarcerated
persons
when
they
were
released,
find
themselves
released
in
poverty,
with
no
job
and
potentially
no
housing,
and
so
when
I
learned
that
on
average,
the
state
is
spending
federal
monies
that
they're
receiving
roughly
about
2.8
million
dollars.
That
is
actually
occurring
in
clark
county
to
help
workers
find
work.
E
So
I
looked
deeper
into
the
issue
and
I
found
out
that
the
issue
the
prison
work
complex
or
the
prison
industry
complex,
has
significant
similarities
to
what
is
considered
convict
leasing,
convict
leasing
is
a
old
old
process.
It
has
its
roots
in
slavery.
It's
a
political
backdrop
of
the
passage
of
the
13th
amendment
and
the
reconstruction
era,
where
the
south
found
another
way
to
capture
its
lost
labor
force
through
incarceration
and
it's
funny
because
in
1871
the
virginia
supreme
court
ruled
that
a
convicted
person
was
a
slave
of
the
state.
E
The
issue
that
I'm
trying
to
unveil
is
that
convict
leasing
became
a
national
and
systemic
adoption,
and
southern
states
started
it,
but
it
spread
across
every
state
and
the
current
practice
that's
in
place
is,
I
believe,
is
compelling
and
I
believe
it
isn't
a
moral
issue
that
we
must
address
on
whether
or
not
a
human
being
because
they
became
incarcerated,
is
therefore
property
and
therefore
allowed
to
be
leased
by
the
prison
and
then
paid
a
range
of
35
cents
to
a
dollar.
E
Fifty,
as
you
will
see
it,
I
posted
a
chart
of
all
of
the
wages
for
the
industry
in
the
exhibits,
and
I
found
it
interesting
because
the
wage
setup
that's
currently
going
on
in
the
prison
system
is
very
similar
to
a
adopted
policy
called
peenage,
which
was
debt,
slavery
or
debt
servitude
where
the
system
was
the
employer
would
compel
the
worker
to
pay
off
the
off
debt
with
work.
E
Now,
how
I
see
the
similarity
is
because,
yes,
they
are
in
prison
because
they
committed
a
crime,
but
the
deductions
that
are
happening
in
the
prison.
Four
wages
range
across
all
spectrums.
We
are
deducting
for
capital
improvement.
We
are
deducting
for
operations,
restoration,
we
are
deducting
for
we
there's
a
it's.
E
It's
called
a
new
construction
fund
and
there
are
a
series
of
things
that
are
being
taken
away
from
this
dollar
or
this
50
cents,
or
this
35
cents,
depending
on
where
you
land,
and
so
I
wanted
to
bring
this
bill
because
I
wanted
to
discuss
it
because
I
want
to
challenge
the
system.
Do
I
believe
this
bill
is
going
to
unravel
a
300
old
system?
E
Probably
not,
but
did
I
want
to
highlight
and
discuss
what
I
feel
is
a
long-standing
issue
that
we
have
adopted,
convict
leasing
and
we
need
to
deal
with
the
issue
of
how
we're
treating
them,
because,
on
the
back
end
we're
paying
for
them
with
dollars
to
find
work
where
the
private
industry
is
paying
them
wages,
while
they're
in
prison,
it's
counterintuitive
for
me,
so
I
want
to
share
a
video
for
just
really
quick
to
help
the
committee
kind
of
understand
what
is
convict
leasing
and
why
I
see
the
similarity
and
why
I
brought
sv140.
E
H
E
E
E
So
if
you
go
through
the
bill,
as
section
1
basically
creates
an
offender
release
fund
and
the
reason
why
I
want
to
create
the
offender
release
fund
is
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
wages
that
are
being
paid
there
are
minus
restitution
for
families
minus
restitution
that
is
paid
for
the
crime
victim
fund.
That
is
not
a
part
of
this
that
the
ex-offender
who
is
released,
who
is
then
working
in
those
last
two
years
or
18
months.
E
Pending
release
actually
has
money
set
aside
in
a
savings
account
that
they
can
use
to
then
live
and
be
independent,
not
to
leave
and
be
on
welfare,
and
then
continue
the
government
paying
for
them
not
to
leave
and
then
go
to
the
workforce
agency
where
there
are
millions
of
dollars
being
expended
to
make
help
them
find
a
job
when
the
goal
of
the
re-entry
system
within
ndoc
should
actually
be
job
placement
not
use
my
body
for
two
years
pay
me
little
to
nothing
deduct
so
much
that
I
barely
have
anything
left
and
then
put
me
out
on
the
street
and
I'm
free
and
then
tell
me
that
I
shall
basically
go
out
get
welfare
and
let
the
government
continue
to
take
care.
E
So
that's
the
purpose
of
the
fund
in
the
rest
of
the
bill,
because
you
can
skip
in
section
two.
It
just
makes
conforming
changes
section
three
through
five,
the
bill
makes
conforming
changes
related
to
the
prisoners,
personal
property
fund,
as
a
result
of
the
creation
of
the
offenders
fund.
Basically,
I
am
creating
a
new
fund
and
then
deleting
the
other
in
section
six
of
the
bill.
E
The
bill
requires
that
the
offender
be
paid
a
living
wage
and
defines
living
wage
as
an
hourly
wage
that
is
equivalent
to
the
state
minimum
wage,
and
here
is
why-
and
I
know
you
know
when
people
hear
this-
I'm
sure
they
balk
at
section
six
because
they're
like
hey
they're
in
prison,
we
have,
they
lost
all
rights
to
independence
and
therefore
shouldn't
get
paid.
Anything
I
want
to.
E
If
you
are
a
part
of
it's
called
the
p
I
ecp
program,
and
when
I
found
out
that
okay,
I
was
like
so
you're
actually
eligible
to
make
more
money,
you're
just
not
paid
that
money,
and
I
try
to
figure
out.
How
is
it
that
a
person
gets
into
the
prison
industry
enhancement
certification
program?
How
do
you
find
your
way
in
there?
Instead
of
digging
around
asking
questions
and
they're
like
it
literally
there?
E
There
is
no
set
criteria
on
how
you
get
in,
but
it
is
a
program
where
you
are
at
least
allowed
to
make
a
higher
wage,
but
within
the
law
there
is
actually
the
a
federal
actually
federal
law
governs
this
provision
of
the
prison
industry
enhancement
certification
program
where
they
can
deduct
80
percent
of
those
wages.
So
you
make
11.47,
they
have
you
working
as
a
inmate
administrative
clerk.
E
You
can
gets
paid
monthly,
but
they
can
deduct
up
to
80
percent,
and
I
said
okay
all
right.
So
if
I
want
to
end
poverty,
if
I
want
to
end
convict
leasing,
I
want
to
end
folks
getting
on
the
street
and
getting
on
welfare.
E
Then
I
really
need
to
have
a
discussion
around
what
is
the
wage
that
they
should
be
paid,
and
that
is
the
provision
of
the
bill
that
I
think,
I
think,
is
the
most
controversial,
because
folks
see
prisoners
as
yes,
they've
lost
their
rights,
but
are
they
human
capital?
E
E
So
that
is
the
impetus
on
that
bill
and-
and
I
want
to
add
one
more
one-
one
more
piece
to
section
six-
and
this
is
this-
is
something
that's
super
interesting.
I
went
digging
through
the
bureau.
I
think
it's
the
bureau
of
justice
statistics,
because
I
was
trying
to
find
out
how
many
wages
have
we
paid.
How
much
have
we
paid
the
total
amount
from
under
the
prison
industry,
enhancement,
certification
program,
and
I
found
out
the
nevada
department
of
corrections.
E
E
472
000
went
to
family
support.
There
were
total
taxes
paid
of
two
million
dollars,
but
yet
the
irs
does
not
consider
inmate
labor
taxable,
nor
are
they
considered
employees
under
the
irs,
but
yet
they
fill
out
an
I-9
in
prison.
The
total
deductions
from
prison
wages
were
12
million,
12
million
12,
roughly
12
million
dollars
over
the
41,
and
the
net
savings
was
96
000..
E
A
Thank
you
so
much
senator
neil.
I
am
sure
that
members
of
our
committee
have
questions
and
I
will
take
them
in
the
order
that
they
raise
their
hands,
starting
with.
I
think
it
was
senator
settlemyre.
G
Thank
you
church.
I
appreciate
it
in
that
respect.
This
bill's,
I
think,
is
actually
a
very
good
bill.
I
knew
an
individual
that
got
put
out
of
business
because
he
used
to
try
to
make
curtains
and
try
to
compete
against
prison
industry
and
he
could
nowhere
think
about
competing
with
the
hourly
wage
that
was
being
paid.
I
had
no
idea
that
it
was
35
cents
to
a
dollar
fifty.
So
that's
pretty
shocking
to
me.
They
should
get
minimum
wage,
but
also
have
no
problem
with
that
money.
It
kind
of
goes
with
the
other
bill.
G
We
heard
earlier
about
making
sure
with
mercy's
law
that
you
know
victims
are
paid
back,
so
I
was
kind
of
curious.
The
first
question
I
had
is:
how
do
you
think
that
could
work
with
that
other
aspect
making
sure
you
know
yeah
give
them
minimum
wage,
but
then,
obviously,
then
that
will
help
the
victims
get
paid
back
quicker.
So
that
was
the
first
question
I
had.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
me
to
go
through
all
of
them,
madam
chair
or
just
one
at
a
time.
D
E
Thank
you
senator
settlemyre.
I
I
think
it
will
help
the
victims.
That
was
one
of
the
exceptions
that
I
had
in
the
bill
and-
and
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear-
I
am
not
trying
to
remove
any
responsibility
for
an
ex-offender
to
a
family
in
which
they
harm,
but
I
think
two
goals
can
be
served:
restitution
and
independence
upon
release
and
that's
the
purpose
of
me
trying
to
get
a
higher
wage
to
be
paid
so
that
they
are
not
a
burden
on
society
when
they
leave.
Why?
E
Why
should
they
be
on
welfare,
when
they
leave
in
a
prison
and
a
private
corporation
is
paying
them
while
they're
there
and
they
don't
leave
in
the
position
that
they
worked
in?
They
don't
leave
as
a
carpenter.
They
don't
leave
as
a
maintenance
person.
They
don't
leave
as
an
upholsterer.
That
is
just
the
work
that
they
do
inside.
They
don't
pick
up
that
job
on
the
outside
and
I
don't
understand
why
they
don't.
G
Appreciate
that
one,
the
next
question
I
had
is
there:
they
choose
to
work
correct,
so
we're
not
forcing
people
to
work.
Currently,
if
someone
decides
to
work,
then
they'd
be
able
to
be
paid
a
higher
wage
or,
as
the
bill
would
discuss
minimum
wage,
but
as
of
right
now,
people
are
not
being
forced
to
work
in
prison.
Correct.
E
Senator
dean
and
neal
for
the
record,
no
they're,
not
they're,
not
being
forced
to
work,
but
I
think
my
connection
to
calling
it
convict
leasing
is
because
they're
in
prison
and
a
private
corporation
is
getting
the
option
to
enter
into
a
contract
with
ndoc.
To
then
use
that
labor.
It
is
not
really.
It's
never
really
been
a
prisoner's
choice
to
say:
oh
I'm,
okay,
with
working
for
all
wire
industries,
that
is
an
ndoc
discussion
and
that
that
is
the
form
of
you
know.
E
G
Thank
you
senator
sotomayor
again.
I
guess
the
last
part
of
the
question
had
asked
and
because
I
have
some
disagreements
with
you
on
section
seven,
I
think
that
you
know
having
them
fund
dna
testing
and
certain
things
like
that
isn't
problematic.
But
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
question
on:
do
you
have
familiarity
with
the
prison
work,
crews,
whether
it
be
on
fire
or
for
other
purposes?
Are
they
also
only
getting
paid
a
buck
50
an
hour
because
I've
seen
organizations
utilize
those
crews
and
they
pay
about
500
bucks?
G
E
E
E
G
I
appreciate
that
does
senator
sullivan,
thank
you
for
the
answers
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
ask
questions
chair.
I
appreciate
the
bill,
not
all
the
sections,
but
I
actually
agree
with
the
concept
of
paying
prisoners
minimum
wage.
Thank
you.
C
Thanks,
sir
sheriff
scheibel,
actually
I
I
agree
too.
I
must
say
it's
an
absolute
pleasure
to
hear
senator
neil.
Your
presentation
was,
I
thought
exceptionally
well
done.
Serving
with
you
on
government
affairs
has
been
a
pleasure.
You,
you
really
do
your
homework
and
and
your
your
analysis
of
all
these
issues
are
frankly
refreshing.
C
I
agree
completely
with
virtually
everything
in
the
bill.
I
will
say
I
have
some
questions
about
the
actual
implementation
I
actually
have
used.
I
guess
you
could
call
it
prison
labor.
I
they
used
to
have
a
restitution
center
and
I
used
to
use
a
lot
of
guys
and
they
were
trying
to
get
them
back
into
the
private
sector
private
world,
and
I
would
hire
them
as
plumbers,
but
I
always
paid
them.
C
There
have
been
some
issues,
though,
at
one
time
they
used
prison,
labor
quite
extensively
for
highway
work
and
things
like
that,
and
actually
it
was
the
trade
unions
that
came
and
said
no
way
we're
not
going
to
compete
with
prison
labor
because
they
were
allowed
to
to
bid
jobs
and
they
were
actually
doing
government
work
that
otherwise
would
have
gone
to
union
union
craftsman.
C
C
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
correct,
because
if
these
guys
are
actually
doing
it
just
to
kind
of
help
the
prisoners
learn,
you
know
get
back
into
some
sort
of
a
skill
set,
but
they
aren't
producing
a
profit
that
would
change
the
dynamic
somewhat
and
last
but
not
least,
you
know
we're
picking
on
the
the
old
confederate
states,
but
here
in
nevada
our
constitution
says
that
there
shall
be
in
this
state
neither
slavery
nor
involuntary
servitude
otherwise
than
in
the
punishment
for
crimes.
C
E
I
senator
dina
neal
for
the
record.
Thank
you
senator
hansen.
I
I
I
want
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
looking!
I
mean
I
appreciate
if,
if,
if
you
guys
understand
where
I'm
coming
from,
but
I
understand
this
is
this-
is
shocking
policy
or
aggressive,
or
that
there
will
be
disagreement
with
it
and
I'm
okay.
With
that
first
question:
you
started
off
talking
about
how
you
paid
a
wage.
E
I
think,
what's
super
important
to
understand
are
the
deductions
that
occur
and
I
probably
should
put
that
powerpoint
slide
up.
But
let
me
just
read
off
what
are
deducted
and
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
get
at
this
issue
so
under
nrs,
209
4841,
and
these
are
deductions
for
an
offender
who
has
been
paroled
so
mind
you
they're,
going
to
be
free,
they
deduct
housing,
transportation,
meals,
medical
and
dental
services.
E
This
is
from
the
offender
who
has
been
paroled
now
add
on
to
deductions
for
any
other
offender
in
nrs,
209
4841,
so
you
could
have
paid
a
great
wage
and
then
they
went
back
and
then
these
items
were
deducted
so
cip,
the
prison
industry,
capital,
improvement,
fund,
room
and
board
victims
of
crime
fund
funds
for
new
construction
and,
what's
in
funds
for
new
construction,
is
a
prison.
Wage
deduction
is
deducted
for
the
construction
of
new
facilities
to
relocate,
expand,
improve
upgrade
or
improve
operations
or
provide
additional
training
or
employment.
E
E
So
so
I'll
go
to
your
next
question
on
the
union
piece
so
currently
in
statute
the
prison
industry,
it's
it's.
I
believe
it's
called
like
an
economic
impact
study.
So
if
you
go
look
at
prison
industry
minutes
anytime,
an
employer
comes
on
board.
They
have
to
do
a
a
prison
impact
study
with
goed.
They
have
to
make
sure
that
the
job
is
not
being
taken
or
the
or
their
active
employers
in
the
space
outside
of
prison.
E
They
have
to
make
sure
that
there
isn't
an
impact
on
union
labor
as
well.
It's
been
a
long-standing
rule
to
do
analysis
to
make
sure
that
the
labor
that
you're
trying
to
use
in
the
prison
does
not
affect
the
job
opportunity
of
a
free
person
outside
of
the
prison,
and
that
is
part
of
the
go
ed
impact
study,
they'll
review.
The
company
they'll
find
out
how
many
companies
are
doing
this
work
and
then
there
will
be
an
approval
through
the
prison
industry
committee.
E
What
was
your
question
after
that?
One.
C
I
don't
know
marcy's
law,
because
you
know
it
does
say
it
says-
to
have
all
monitor
payments,
money
and
property
collected
from
any
person
who
has
been
ordered
to
make
restitution
to
be
first
applied
to
pay
the
amounts
ordered
as
restitution
to
the
victim.
So
I
just
how?
How
does
your
your
your
idea
fit
into
the
constitutional
marxism.
E
So
I
don't
touch
restitution
restitution
is
excluded
and
would
be
a
continuing
deduction.
C
C
I
hope
I
hope
shortly
we'll
be
having
a
bill
we're
working
on
it
now
on
prison
identification,
because
we
have
the
same
kind
of
an
issue,
my
goal
and
I
think
senator
niels
and
anybody
with
any
common
sense
is
we
don't
want
people
returning
to
the
prison
system
once
they
paid
their
debt
to
society,
and
it
seems
to
me
this
is
a
another
example.
Senator
neil's
bill
is
another
example
of
a
very
common
sense
solution
to
help
prevent
that
that
recycling
problem.
So
I
think
the
idea
is
wonderful.
A
Yes,
thank
you
senator
hansen,
and
I
agree.
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea,
senator
neil
and
we
have
a
couple
more
questions,
we'll
go
next
to
senator
pickard.
G
It
reminds
me
a
lot
of
the
second
step,
but
I
I
had
a
conversation
with
suddenly
when
tyrone
thompson
back
in
17,
when
we
were
hearing
a
bill
on
on
education
efforts
for
prisoners
as
they
were
about
to
be
released
and
how
we
needed
to
go
well
beyond
that,
not
just
in
fact
we
thought
education
should
be
provided
throughout
a
prisoner's
tenure,
because
you
know
education
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
answer
to
them
succeeding
as
they
get
out.
The
other
piece
was
you
know
what?
G
How
do
we
deal
with
the
restitution
piece?
And
you
know
how-
and
I
thought
your
point
on
the
prison
industry
skills.
I
forget
what
the
program
is
called,
but
it
there
didn't
seem
to
be
a
connection
between
the
skills
that
they
gained
while
incarcerated
and
the
efforts
to
get
them
employed
as
they
got
out,
and
so
in
that
discussion
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
particularly
is,
as
this
question
evolved
and
then
marcy's
law
came
up,
it's
been
well.
How
do
we
possibly
recompense?
G
How
do
we
possibly
pay
that
restitution
and
then
that
led
into
the
discussion
about
post-release,
probation
and
parole-
and
you
know
the
technical
violations,
as
you
know,
because
if
they
can't
get
out,
they
don't
have
id,
they
don't
have
a
job
skill,
or
at
least
they've
not
been
placed
and
so
they're
not
paying
their
restitution
and
so
their
return
to
prison
because
they
didn't
pay
the
restitution,
and
yet
they
were
never
given
an
opportunity,
a
real
opportunity
to
do
so.
G
I
think
this
is
another
puzzle
piece
in
that
in
in
the
bigger
puzzle-
and
I
I
like
it-
there
are
just
two
questions
left.
I,
the
other
questions
were
asked.
The
first
one
has
to
do
with
section
six
and
the
definition
of
living
wage.
I'm
wondering
why
we
chose
to
talk
about
living
wage
instead
of
just
requiring
that
it
meet
the
standard
minimum
wage
at
the
time
of
their
employment.
G
E
Senator
dina
neal
for
the
record.
You
know
I
literally
selected
it
not
even
considering
I
did
after
the
fact
that
that
this
could
trigger
the
minimum
wage
trigger,
but
I
wanted
them.
I
I
guess
I
put
I
put
in
living
wage
and
I
asked
lcb
to
put
in
living
wage
because
in
my
mind
I
wanted
them
to
have
enough
money
to
be
independent.
E
Get
there
get
a
birth
certificate,
do
whatever
they
needed
to
do,
and
not
have
to
get
on
welfare,
not
trigger
additional
government
services
to
take
care
of
themselves
upon
release.
I
I
I
and
that's
literally,
why
I
phrased
it
that
way.
When
I
looked
at
it
later,
I
said
you
know
I
probably
could
have
just
went
with
existing
law,
which
is
to
pay
them
the
certified
pay.
That's
currently
statutorily
there,
that's
a
tenth
that
they
get
a
tenth
of
the
actual
wage,
that's
currently
out
there,
which
is
far
greater
than
50
cents.
E
If
you
look
at
the
excel
sheet,
it's
it's
it's
when
I
saw
the
50
cents,
35
cents,
75
cents
and
the
pay
range
that
you
could
be
a
carpenter
three
and
your
pay
range
was
between
35
cents
an
hour
to
a
dollar
fifty.
But
yet
you
had
a
certified
pay
rate
of
eight
dollars
and
fifty
four
cents
I
said:
well,
if
you
keep
subtracting
room
and
board
and
cip
from
a
dollar
fifty
I'm
gonna
have
about
two
pennies.
E
G
All
right:
well,
that's
how
a
lot
of
this
goes
right,
but
to
exactly
to
your
point,
we're
looking
at,
for
example,
that
the
industries
ranch
operations,
I'm
sorry,
the
silver
state
industries
ranch
operations
at
two
dollars
to
three
dollars
and
fifty
cents
which
doesn't
even
meet
the
minimum
wage
standard,
but
I
presume
in
that
is
going
to
be
room
and
board.
I
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
there
wasn't
a
fiscal
note
attached
to
this.
G
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
were
to
raise
everything
to
a
minimum
wage
or
or
something
like
that.
How
would
this-
but
this
is-
I
know
this-
isn't
a
money
committee.
So
I'm
not
going
to
ask
that
question,
but
I'm
going
to
modify
my
second
question
just
to
say
because
you've
answered
it
already
and
it
had
to
do
with
the
restitution
being
allowed
to
be
deducted.
G
Are
we
going
to
cap
that
similar
to
what
we
do
with
garnishing
wages
in
the
in
in
the
civil
realm,
where
you
can
only
garnish
a
certain
amount
that
there's
a
certain
amount,
that's
protected,
or
are
you
contemplating
either,
including
any
of
that,
because
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
bill
or
is
that
going
to
be
left
to
regulation
by
the
department
of
corrections
which
I
think
in
in
light
of
the
recent
events
and
and
revelations
might
be
a
little
problematic,
not
that
I'm
casting
aspersions
on
the
department
of
corrections?
G
But
you
know
the
fact
that
they
would
go
and
deplete
the
the
the
accounts
the
way
they
have
recently.
You
know
call
that
into
question.
How
do
we
deal
with
the
the
question?
How
much
do
they
get
to
deduct.
E
So
senator
dean
enough
for
the
record,
I
think
that's
a
good
question.
I
I
am
very
much
aware
of
the
other
bill
that
has
been
heard
in
this
committee.
I
watched
the
hearing
post,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
discuss
what's
being
brought
up
in
another
bill.
Do
I
think
that
it
should
do?
I
think
there
should
at
least
that
it
should
be
that
what
ndoc
is
out
there
pushing
is
a
little
excessive
and
that
we
need
to
find
a
number
whether
it
be
50
or
or
40
or
whatever
it
is.
E
I
think
that
I
think
that
that
is
a
conversation
for
this
esteemed
senate
judiciary
committee
decided
what
to
do
with
that
other
bill
that
you
guys
had
a
hearing
on
to
be
honest,
and
then
I
was
waiting
to
see
what
happened
and
try
to
weigh
in
after
the
fact.
E
If
this
bill
moved
number
one,
I'm
surprised
that
I'm
even
getting
a
popular
response
to
sb-140.
I
thought
it
would
be.
You
know
hellfire
and
super
hate,
so
I
guess
I'll
wait
for
ndoc
to
come
up
in
a
post
and
that
will
be
wonderful.
G
Well,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
you
know
I
I
I
think
I
I
think
it's
a
good
bill-
I
I
think
that
we
need-
and
I've
said
since
I
first
got
to
the
legislature-
we
need
to
move
away
from
a
pure
punitive
system
to
a
rehabilitative
system,
one
that
gives
these
guys
and
gals
the
opportunity
to
learn
a
skill.
Get
an
education
create
the
foundation
where
once
they
get
out,
they
can
actually
succeed.
I
don't
know
if
it's
even
possible
at
minimum
wage
to
save
money.
G
You
know
if
you're
gonna
take
and
and
I'll
just
use
the
50
as
as
an
example,
but
even
if
you
were
to
get
half
of
minimum
wage
you're
not
going
to
have
enough
to
pay
for
more
than
a
month
or
two
depending
upon
how
long
you're
in
but
at
least
it
will
give
you
something
in
some
control
and
ultimately
incentive
and
that's
what
I
think
is
missing
from
the
system
today.
G
Why
work,
except
to
keep
yourself
busy
under
today's
environment,
but
if
you're
actually
able
to
save
something
and
not
have
it
all
swept,
even
though
I'm
I'm
not
suggesting
that
victims
should
not
be
recompensed,
they
absolutely
should,
but
if
we
don't
give
them
some
real
incentive,
I
I
think
we're
missing
an
opportunity,
and
so
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
the
bill.
I
agree
with
senator
settlemyre.
There
may
be
some
things
that
I
would
if
I
were
to
choose
the
language
to
maybe
tweet,
but
I
I
hope
we
move
this
bill.
A
G
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
senator
neal
for
bringing
the
bill,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
duplicative,
but
I
agree
with
all
the
comments
of
the
prior
speakers.
I
appreciate
your
your
efforts
here.
My
question
about
the
offender
release
fund.
So
often
we
see
when
someone
is
released
back
into
the
community.
I
They
maybe
don't
have
family
that
is
able
to
help
them
land
on
their
feet
and
able
to
help
them
get
into
an
apartment
or
get
into
a
stable
housing
situation,
help
find
work,
get
drug
treatment,
mental
health
treatment
or
even
get
that
id
or
figure
out
how
to
get
the
birth
certificate.
You
know
from
another
state
a
lot
of
times
that
requires
a
credit
card.
Folks,
just
don't
have
that
kind
of
ability.
I'm
just
wondering.
I
Do
you
see
the
offender
release
fund
if
this
bill
passes
helping
with
those
kind
of
things
you
know
ordering
that
birth
certificate
getting
that
first
apartment?
Getting
you
know,
substance
abuse
treatment?
If
it's
not,
if
there's
no
coverage
for
it,
I
wondered.
If
you
see
that,
and
what
else
do
you
think
that
it
might
might
help
folks
for
who
are
trying
to
who
paid
their
debt
and
are
trying
to
become
productive
members
of
society
again,.
E
E
I
if
they
have
to
do
it,
okay,
but
if
there's
a
way
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
the
hundreds
of
jobs
that
you
guys
see
in
the
excel
exhibit
that
they
could
actually
leave
with
one
of
those
jobs
and
have
belief
that
they're
number
one
going
to
work
and
be
able
to
take
care
of
themselves.
E
B
Thank
you,
chair
schreibel,
and
with
your
indulgence,
I
I
think
I
have
maybe
some
comments.
Maybe
a
couple
of
questions
for
senator
neil.
So
first
I
to
want
to
add
my
list
to
the
name
of
committee
members
who
will
express
appreciation
for
you
bringing
this
bill.
I
think
it's
a
good
bill.
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Obviously,
the
interplay
with
the
other
bill
that
we
heard
regarding
deductions,
I
think,
will
become.
B
I
think,
these
sort
of
work
hand
in
hand
with
one
another
and
appreciate
appreciate
you
kind
of
walking
through
some
of
those
answers
on
those
questions.
I
was
curious
if
you
have
had
a
chance
to
speak
with
the
department
of
corrections
on
this
note.
E
Senator
dean
o'neill
for
the
record,
actually
I
tried
and
it's
not
their
fault
literally
we
had
an
appointment
and
my
dad
went
into
the
hospital
and
then
I
tried
to
schedule
another
one
and
then
the
director
was
not
available
and
then
I
said,
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
I'm.
Just
gonna
have
to
go
forward
with
this
bill
and
let
them
oppose
it
wasn't
out
of
disrespect.
E
It
wasn't
out
of
that.
I
didn't
do
the
proper
circling
for
the
bill,
because
I
knew
that
I
should
go
to
them
first,
once
it
dropped,
because
as
soon
as
division
of
forestry
called
me,
I
was
like
they
were
like.
You
need
to
talk
to
nbc,
and
I
said
I
know
because
they're
going
to
be
like
you're,
I'm
I'm
taking
money.
If
this,
if
you
guys,
if
this
committee
decided
to
move
this,
I'm
taking
money
out
of
prison
industries,
that
is
paying
that
they
are
recycling
to
pay
for
the
building
fund.
J
B
I
asked
that
question
only
because
of
some
notes
that
were
included
in
an
interesting
fiscal
note
from
ndoc,
and
I
know
this
is
not
the
finance
committee,
but
I
thought
they
brought
up
some
interesting
points
with
why
they
don't
believe
that
there
is
a
fiscal
impact
to
this
bill,
which
I
thought
was
just
a
little
odd,
because
I
understand
it
the
same
way
that
you
do
senator,
and
so
I
was
curious
if
they
had
spent
the
time
reaching
out
to
you,
but
hopefully
there
can.
B
They
can
find
some
time
to
reach
out
to
you
and
and
have
a
meeting.
Are
you
aware,
because
it
sounds
like
to
me
that
there
are
employment
contracts
that
are
signed
between
inmates
and
the
department
of
corrections,
for
whatever
this
employment
is
that
that
particular
offender
may
engage
in?
So
are
you
aware
of
that
process
or
what
that
looks
like
at
all.
E
Thank
you,
senator
dean
o'neill.
For
the
record.
I
wasn't
aware
that
there
were
individual
contracts
between
the
employer
and
ndoc.
I
thought
that
ndoc
was
acting
as
the
middle
person.
I
did
know
that
they
were
that
the
prisoner
was
filling
out
an
i9
that
they
that
there
wasn't.
I
think
they
were
getting
ids
and
other
things
so
that
they
could
work
and
apply
because
an
I-9
forum
requires
you
know
the
social
security
card
and
some
other
things
in
order
for
you
to
be
legally
represented
within
that
corporation.
E
B
Government
and
that-
and
that
makes
sense
there
was
reference
to
the
fact
that
ndoc
and
offenders
and
to
enter
into
employment
contracts
and
therefore
ndoc-
and
I
I
know
you're,
not
ndoc
and
hopefully
they'll-
be
able
to
answer
this
at
some
point-
determines
that
they
cannot
be
considered
employees
and
therefore
cannot
be
paid
living,
wage
or
minimum
wage.
B
E
E
E
If
they're,
not
employees,
then
how
why
do
they
have
an
i9
number
two?
Why
was
I
able
to
find
documentation
that
taxes
were
paid
and
how?
How
and
how
this
revenue
increments
that
come
in
how
they're
actually
handled
and
how
ndoc
is
dealing
with
the
tax
implications
of
the
of
the
wages
that
the
prisoner
is
earning?
E
And
what
I
did
find
when
I
went
to
the
irs
was
that
there
are
prison
handouts
for
prison
industry
or
prison,
correctional
facilities
to
walk
them
through
re-entry
programs
and
tax
implications.
And
so
I
was
left
with
a
question
mark
that.
I
hope
that
I
would
number
one
bring
up
that
issue
today
and
that
they
could
help
address
if
they're,
not
employees
and
they
are
quasi.
B
I
think
I
think
you
bring
up
a
good
point,
senator,
which
kind
of
brings
me
to
my
next
question
in
your
bill,
where
we
are
specifically
referencing
within
chapter
chapter
209,
and
that
that
portion
of
living
wage
and
what
that
is
defined.
As
is
it
your
opinion
that
that
language
in
this
bill
and
why
it's
included
is
so
that,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
an
employee
or
not,
if
ndoc
is
mandated
to
pay
them,
this
particular
amount
that
this
language
would
effectively
do.
Just
that.
B
Yes-
and
I
I
appreciate
that
explanation-
there
is
also,
I
guess,
some
interesting
interplay,
and
this
may
be
worth
a
conversation
with
the
department
of
corrections
as
well,
because
they
reference
nrs209
461.
That
talks
specifically
about
the
duties
of
the
director
with
respect
to
employ
it
with
respect
to
employment
and
which
is
interesting
that
that
phrase
kind
of
shows
up
in
that
particular.
B
In
that
particular
statute,
this
bill
doesn't
actually
amend
nrs209461,
that
outlines
the
director's
duties
or
meaning
to
provide
for
job
rehabilitation
and
training
and
then
also
a
litany
of
other
pieces
that
go
along
with
that.
And
it
seems
as
though,
without
some
kind
of
change
in
that
particular
portion
of
the
nrs.
E
E
That's,
because,
if
that's
the
duty,
then
why
why
don't?
They
have
a
job
when
they
leave
in
the
field
that
they've
been
trained
in
that
they
work
in
two.
If
that
is
the
duty,
then
why?
When
they
leave,
are,
is
in
clark
county
through
workforce
connections,
we
are
expending
2.8
million
dollars
through
three
work.
Three
non-profits
to
then
help
those
ex-offenders
get
training,
give
them
soft
skills
to
then
be
independent.
If
this
is
one
of
their
duties
under
ndoc
as
a
director,
I
do
think
it's
possible
to
deal
with
the
third
part
of
that
question.
E
I
do
think
it's
possible
for
them
to
pay
more
than
what
they're
paying,
even
if
they
don't
classify
them.
As
an
employee,
because
of
what
I
brought
up
with
the
prison
industry,
enhancement
certification
program
which,
in
the
excel
sheet,
allows
assert
pay,
what
I'm
not
clear
on
is
how
does
an
individual
get
into
the
prison
industry
enhancement
certification
program
to
make
that
higher
wage,
because
the
reality
is
without
this
bill?
E
If
I
took
that
language
out
of
section
six
and
I
said,
mandate
apply
the
mandate
ndoc
to
apply
the
prison
industry,
enhancement
certification,
pay,
I
would
get
the
higher
wage
and
it
would
already
be
there-
and
I
wouldn't
have
to
reinvent
it
because
it
exists.
B
Yes,
it
absolutely
does
and
again
just
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill,
and
I
think
you
know
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction
and
you've
highlighted
a
lot
of
issues
that
I
think
it's
incumbent
for
us
to
address,
especially
when
we're
looking
at
the
rehabilitative
purposes
and
what
we
prepare
for
folks
for
when
they
do
lead.
A
Thank
you
and
I
see
that
senator
settlemyre
has
raised
his
hand
again.
Do
you
have
another
question
or
comment
that
can
be
done
quickly.
G
Yes,
ma'am,
I
was
curious.
I
was
looking
up
and
some
areas
have
what
are
called
gate
fees.
You
know
when
someone
gets
out
of
prison
they'll
give
them.
You
know
like
a
hundred
dollars
or
something
that
nature
and
I'm
trying
to
find
out.
If
she
might
happen
to
know,
if
nevada
does
that,
because,
frankly
to
me
you
know,
if
you
pay,
you
should
just
tell
people
hey,
you
need
to
work,
and
that
way
you
get
money.
And
if
you
don't,
we
don't
even
give
people
gate
fees
anymore.
G
E
The
only
thing
that
I'm
aware
of
is
that
there
is
an
existing
fund
that
they
get
money
from
out
of
that
fund
once
they're
paroled
and
those
deductions
that
I
listed,
you
know
housing,
transportation,
medical
dental
are
then
subtracted
from
whatever
that
is
so
and
then
and
then
whatever's
left
that's
what
they
walk
away
with,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
that
money
comprises
it
could
be
money
that
family
put
on
your
books
or
it
could
be
wages
that
you
potentially
earned
within
the
program
I've.
I
don't
know
about
a
specific
gate
fee.
E
I've
seen
it
in
movies,
but
I
think
ndoc
would
have
to
say
that
I
I
just
know
that
there
is
a
deduction
and
there's
a
pocket
of
there's
an
account
and
it
it
may
be.
I
don't
know
what
the
range
of
dollars
are,
that
offenders
have.
Sometimes
it
could
be
nothing.
Sometimes
it
could
be,
maybe
200
bucks
or
or
a
little
bit
more
can.
Can
I
put
up
a
slide
really
quick
that
I
think
will
be
super
helpful
to
try
to
help
understand.
E
Just
just
one
final
piece,
because
I
think
I
I
failed
to
put
this
in
context
the
the
wage.
Can
I
do
that
really
quick
cherished.
I.
E
E
I
don't
think
yeah,
let
me
so
if
you
look
at
this
slide,
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up,
because
what
I
was
hoping
to
that
I
would
get
maybe
an
answer
to
or
a
conversation
about
is
this.
I
pulled
this
exactly
from
the
minutes
from
the
prison
industry
in
2016
there
were
405
dollars
roughly
that
were
deducted
and
there
were
482
offenders
who
worked
2017.
You
see
an
increase
450
thousand
dollars
deducted.
There
were
465
offenders
who
worked
2018.
E
It's
based
on
the
lower
amount,
because
when
I
deducted
what
that
was
for
the
year,
it
averaged
about
two
dollars
and
56
cents
an
hour,
and
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
when
senator
settlemeyer
asked
that
question
about
gate
fees,
I'm
super
hoping
that
you
know
some
of
these
deductions
that
I'm
seeking
to
remove
can
allow
them
to
not
not
some
free
money
given
from
the
state.
A
Yes
and
thank
you
senator
neil,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
A
Not
seeing
any,
we
will
move
now
to
testimony
in
support.
As
a
reminder,
each
speaker
will
be
given
two
minutes
and
I
will
ask
bps
to
go
ahead
and
open
the
lines
up
for
a
support.
Testimony
on
sb
140
now.
D
D
K
Hello
and
thank
you
chair,
schaible
and
committee
members-
this
is
nick
chipak
and
I
c-k-s-h-e-p-a-c-k
policy
and
program
associated
with
the
aclu
of
nevada.
I
want
to
start
by
saying
this
hearing
has
filled
my
heart.
I
thought
I
was
coming
in
to
defend
this
spell,
but
to
borrow
the
words
of
my
millennial,
brothers
and
sisters
on
this
issue.
K
Y'all
woke
prisoners
are
excluded
from
the
legal
protections
enjoyed
by
all
workers,
they're
not
allowed
to
unionize
they're
not
covered
by
minimum
wage
laws
and
the
limited
wages
they
do
earn
can
be
seized
by
the
prison
they
if
they
are
injured
or
killed
on
the
job.
They're
not
covered
by
workers,
compensation
and
their
ability
to
recover
damages
in
courts
is
severely
limited.
All
of
these
factors
combined
to
make
prisons
a
uniquely
vulnerable
workforce.
K
We
also
encourage
people
to
plan
for
their
future,
including
saving
money
money
for
their
future
needs.
Many
prisoners
leave
prison
penniless.
They
often
struggle
to
find
employment
facing
furious
discrimination
in
the
job
market.
Finding
housing
in
is
a
similar
challenge.
More
than
a
few
former
prisoners
become
homeless
overwhelmed
by
these
challenges,
many
return
to
jail
or
prison.
Before
long,
why
not
pay
prisoners
a
real
wage,
so
they
can
save
for
their
futures
and
build
a
nest
egg
for
their
eventual
release.
The
benefits
in
successful
reentry,
lower
recidivism
and
reduced
human
suffering
would
be
enormous.
K
K
The
1800s
passed
a
resolution
calling
for
the
repeal
of
the
13th
amendment's
exclusionary
clause,
the
association
decried,
the
historical,
the
historical
applicability
of
slavery
and
involuntary
servitude
as
acceptable
punishments
for
those
convicted
of
crimes.
If
the
people
who
run
our
prisons
think
it's
time
to
give
christmas
raid,
perhaps
it's
an
idea
whose
time
has
come
and
from
the
line
of
questioning
it
seems
that
it
may
be
that
time.
Thank
you.
So
much.
D
D
F
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
amanda
candelaria,
last
name
c-a-n-d-e-l-a-r-I-a,
and
I'm
here
today
in
support
of
sb
140,
not
only
for
prison
industries,
but
for
all
the
incarcerated
that
are
working.
My
fiance
is
incarcerated
at
nncc
and
has
been
working
within
the
prison
for
almost
15
years
now
doing
jobs
such
as
barbering
cleaning
bathrooms
and
acting
as
a
translator.
He
gets
paid
2.50
per
month
for
this
after
inmate
deductions
are
taken
out.
F
He
is
subjecting
himself
to
various
people
amongst
this
pandemic
and
with
these
wages
cannot
even
afford
to
get
medicine
if
he
gets
sick
with
covet
again,
I
understand
that
the
wages
paid
in
the
prison
might
need
to
be
considerably
lower
than
what
we
get
paid
out
here,
and
I
understand
the
state
wants
to
save
money
who
doesn't.
What
I
do
not
understand
is
why
our
loved
ones
are
being
paid
slave
wages
for
the
work
they
do.
F
D
D
I
Thank
you
caleb
green
c-a-l-e-b-g-r-e
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee.
My
name
is
caleb
green,
representing
the
las
vegas
chapter
of
the
national
bar
association,
also
known
as
the
lvmba
testifying
in
support
of
senate
bill
140..
I
I
want
to
echo
the
points
of
our
representatives
from
the
from
the
aclu
and
state
that
I'm
also
very
heartened
to
hear
the
bipartisan
support
for
this
bill.
I
I'm
going
to
share
a
few
points
that
the
lvmba
supports
this
bill.
First
foremost,
it's
well
established
that
african-americans
are
subject
to
higher
levels
of
criminalization
and
harsher
collateral
consequences
in
comparison
with
with
other
groups,
the
remnants
of
conduct
leasing
exacerbates
these
disproportionate
effects
of
our
criminal
justice
system.
I
As
senator
neal
provided
in
her
presentation,
convict
leasing
has
significant
ties
to
slavery
and
alternatives
dating
back
to
the
civil
war
area,
and
that
alone
is
sufficient
to
supporting
this
bill.
But,
additionally,
sb
140
also
exists
to
relieve
existing
barriers
to
prisonal
reentry,
as
well
as
reducing
recidivism
rates.
Under
current
nevada
law,
prisoners
earn
very
small
wages
in
working
for
private
companies,
ranging
from
35
cents
to
1.50
an
hour.
I
The
lvnba
believes
sb
140
brings
attention
to
the
gross
post-slavery
practice
of
convict
leasing,
while
removing
barriers
to
re-entry
for
those
who
have
paid
their
debt
to
society.
Further.
The
proposed
legislation
will
provide
the
appropriate
level
of
empathy,
as
well
as
a
living
wage
for
soon-to-be-released
prisoners,
with
the
means
and
resources
to
prepare
for
re-entry
into
society
and
reduce
recidivism
rates
as
well
as
such,
the
lbnba
urges
our
elected
officials
of
the
nevada
senate
judiciary
committee
to
support
sb
140..
Thank
you.
D
L
I
just
want
to
testify
on
this
bill
because
I
once
was
an
inmate
and
I
actually
fought
in
fires
and
did
ndf
work
and
it
was
very
hard
work.
I've
risked
my
life
for
a
dollar
hour.
You
don't
really
do
it
for
the
money,
because
the
money
is
literally
you're
working
for
noodles
top
ramen
noodles.
Just
to
be
honest
with
you,
that's
the
only
thing
you're
going
to
be
able
to
afford
with
those
type
of
wages
and
maybe
a
bar
or
soap.
L
So
you
don't
do
it
for
the
money
you
do
it
to.
You
know
have
someone
to
be
for
your
mind
to
be,
and
those
are
that's
just
only
fire
pay
and
we
do
a
lot
of
with
mdf.
We
did
a
lot
of
highway
work
and
that's
literally,
I
believe,
was
like
a
dollar
for
the
whole
day.
So
you
know
that
was
their
gay
pay
and
we
did
highway
work.
We
did
city
work,
we
did
lumber
work.
L
We
did
a
lot
of
hard
labor,
where
I
had
to
use
a
chainsaw,
I'm
using
a
chainsaw
in
the
community,
but
when
I
get
out,
I
can't
work
for
ndf
or
I
can't
be
a
wildlife
fire.
So
the
the
pay
raise
is
man,
it's
the
people
that
go
out
and
do
that
they're
really
just
trying
to
either
give
back
or
find
a
peace
of
mind.
The
money
is
literally,
their
people
are
risking
their
lives
and
fighting
these
fires
for
top
ramen
noodle
and
a
bar
soap.
L
L
So
I
thank
you
dina
neal,
for
sponsoring
this
bill
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
testify.
D
M
M
Of
course
we
heard
a
few
doubts
here
and
there
and
some
questions,
and
so
I
guess
that's
why
a
lot
of
us
are
still
speaking
on
it,
because
we
are
so
passionate
about
supporting
this
bill.
I'm
sure
that
you
all
have
seen
just
like
dina
said
she's,
tired
of
seeing
a
lot
of
this
fall
back
fall
people
fall
into
poverty
after
they
leave
and
with
the
community.
M
And
that
is
why
we're
so
passionate,
because
we
know
that
it's
going
to
continue
falling
back
on
our
families,
which
is
going
to
continue
making
it
harder
for
minority
families
and
poor
families,
because
those
are
the
people
that
these
laws
are
preying
on
in
the
first
place
and
those
that
you
know
may
not
support.
This
will
be
able
to
see
where
your
allegiances
lie,
because
this
is
a
highly
destructive
and
unjust
system
of
capitalism
and
that
that's
pretty
much.
What's
funding
the
little
leadership
that
we
see.
M
Some
of
the
republicans
and
some
of
the
people
that
aren't
voting
with
the
community,
admiring
even
in
the
country
student,
the
people
that
are
being
funded
by
this
capitalist
system,
so
once
we
know
that
you
have
our
support
and
that
you're
supporting
us
we'll
know
that
you
know
people
are
coming
out
of
what
has
been
so
much
of
the
status
quo
and
those
that
don't
we
understand
that
the
anti-blackness
is
still
going
to
show
in
the
system
and
in
the
senate
and
that's
what
we
want
to
go
this
senate.
We
want
this
to
go.
M
D
D
J
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
catherine
greco,
c-a-t-h-e-r-I-n-e
g-r-e-c-o
and
I'm
here
today
in
support
of
sb
140..
My
daughter
worked
at
gene
conservation
camp
on
fire
crew
for
12
months
made
20
a
month
in
june
of
2019.
They
moved
her
to
casa
grande
transitional
housing
to
work
as
a
porter
on
property
where
she
worked
for
17
months
during
cove
at
19
she
was
paid
absolutely
nothing,
not
one
penny
casagrande
has
a
rigorous
cleaning
schedule
due
to
covet
19
pandemic.
Almost
four
years
in
ndoc
she's
made
240
dollars.
J
She
also
paid
for
and
completed
her
associate's
degree
at
csn.
During
that
time
she
has
nothing
to
show
or
to
help
her
buy
anything
for
herself.
She
depends
100
percent
on
her
family
and
at
a
transitional
housing
center.
They
provide
absolutely
nothing.
Family
buys
everything
all
bedding,
laundry
supplies,
hygiene,
medicine,
dish,
soap,
towels
summer
and
winter
clothes
all
school
supplies
all
cost
of
college,
school
tuition
and
books.
Food
boxes
as
well
went
aloud.
She
got
coveted
in
january
of
2021
at
casa
grande.
J
I
had
to
send
vitamins
with
zinc
vitamin
d3
benadryl
more
expenses
for
us
to
endure
because
of
no
pay
for
her
while
they
worked
our
daughter's
skin
and
walk
while
they
worked
our
daughter
to
skin
and
bones
with
no
regard
to
her
health,
she
ended
up
weighing
barely
92
pounds
when
they
were
all
done
with
her
at
casa
grande
she's
foot.
One
definitely
would
have
been
nice
for
our
daughter
to
have
gotten
paid
for
the
work
she
did
and
have
been
doing
the
whole
time
through
this
pandemic.
Anything,
quite
frankly,
would
have
been
appreciated.
J
She
will
get
zero
pay,
no
accolade,
not
even
a
pat
on
the
back.
She
will
get
nothing
for
the
work
she
gave
to
these
two
facilities
when
they
used
her
all
up.
I
withdrew
her
from
unlv.
She
was
on
the
dean's
list
and
she
was
sent
back
to
florence
mcclure.
Now
she
doesn't
get
the
opportunity
to
work
at
all
or
finish
her
bachelor's
degree
in
communications
at
her
family's
expense.
J
So
anything
she
could
have
made
over
the
last
29
months
and
saved
is
not
happening
due
to
the
fact
that
she
was
used
for
her
slave
labor.
This
is
how
pasta
grande
rehabilitates,
now
casa
grande,
has
a
new
porter
from
gene
to
do
the
cleaning
for
absolutely
nothing
slave
labor.
They
call
it
a
privilege.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
F
First,
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
bill
to
the
to
the
committee
and
it's
great
to
hear
all
the
support.
It's
also
very
sobering.
To
hear
from
the
last
speaker
and
from
mr
jackson.
F
My
nephew
was
incarcerated
in
nevada
for
most
of
his
adult
life
and
he
had
a
lot
of
ambition,
so
he
was
always
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
so
he
could
get
the
opportunity
to
work,
and
the
last
time
I
saw
him
was
incarcerated
was
a
year
ago
at
humboldt
and
he
was
very
proud
to
be
there
and
I
got
to
meet
with
him
in
the
dining
room
and
we
were
so
excited
because
we
knew
he'd
be
getting
out
soon
and
he
wanted
to.
He
didn't
want
to
go
on
probation
or
parole.
F
He
wanted
to
finish
his
sentence
or
to
go
home
to
florida
where
his
kids
are.
He
racked
up
80
000
in
child
support
because
he
wasn't
making
any
money
the
whole
time
he
was
in
prison.
So
he
could
never
send
money
home,
but
he
was
excited
about
getting
a
job
and
having
his
wages
garnered.
So
he
could
start
paying
back
child
support,
but
when
kobach
came,
the
work
program
stopped
a
long
story
short.
F
He
ended
up
being
in
there
months,
transfer
to
lovelock
and
with
medical
issues,
and
when
he
was
finally
released
months
after
he
was
supposed
to
be
released.
He
came
out
with
advanced
hepatitis
c.
Basically,
four
weeks
after
his
release,
he
passed
away
we're
waiting
for
autopsy.
F
D
K
I
am
here
to
testify
in
support
of
sb
140..
I
fully
believe
that,
having
that
baseline
for
inmates
to
have
once
they
finish
their
time
would
help
them.
You
know
self-sustain
and
support
themselves
and
be
able
to
find
housing.
You
know
food
transportation,
whatever
means
that
would
be
oftentimes
when
prisoners
finish
doing
their
time.
K
They
don't
have
you
know
the
support
or
their
family
or
friends
after
doing
their
time,
and
I
think
that
if
we
really
want
to
reintegrate
experts
back
into
the
community
having
that
baseline
and
giving
them
those
living,
wages
would
definitely
help,
and
so
I
hope
that
you
know
you
are
successful
in
the
passing
of
this
bill.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
D
It
is
shameful
that
prisons
have
exploited
the
labor
of
incarcerated
people
to
lower
their
bottom
line.
Sb40
would
take
a
step
towards
allowing
these
people
to
earn
what
they
ought
to
be
paid
if
they
are
working
while
they
serve
their
time.
Thank
you
senator
neil,
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
We
ask
the
committee
to
please
support
this
bill's
passage.
Thank
you.
D
I
Hi,
my
name
is
eric
garcia
e
r,
I
c
g,
a
r
c,
I
a
hi,
my
name.
I
was
an
inmate
for
ndoc
and
I
was
also
given
the
opportunity
to
go
to
camp
and
be
a
part
of
ndf,
the
nevada
department
of
forestry,
where
I
made
1.25
per
day
to
clean
highways
and
do
stuff
like
fencing
and
clean
communities
and
help
out
in
the
community
and
in
areas
that
were
surrounding
the
camp
during
during
fire
season,
though,
we're
all
able
to
go.
I
Do
fight
fires
like
if
you're,
if
your
crew
is
chosen
to
go
fight,
a
fire
if
california
is
declared
a
state
of
emergency,
we're
able
to
go
fight,
fires
and
where
we,
where
we
make
a
dollar
an
hour
when
we
leave
the
fence
and
then
when
we
combine
the
and
then
it
ends
when
we
come
back.
Unfortunately,
that
dollar
is
taxed
for
room
and
board,
it's
also
taxed
for
federal
taxes
and
restitution.
I
G
I
Little
bit
of
these,
these
bales
around,
I
think
we'd
have
a
little
bit
more
of
a
chance
to
have
a
fight
in
battle
in
order
to
get
you
know,
go
home
and
and
not
have
to
feel
like.
I
have
to
come
back
to
jail
for
trying
to
commit
a
crime
just
so
I
can
have
some
money
in
my
pocket.
You
know
so,
hopefully
that
you
know
this
is
something
that
is
successful,
and
I
wish
it
the
best
of
luck.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
have.
I
D
J
Transform
e4
evolve
and
for
noble
eye
for
innocent,
as
for
safety,
age
for
heal,
a
for
acknowledge
and
freedom
for
freedom,
all
let
the
people
sort
them
out
has
a
priority.
Since
it
was
raised
the
section
of
the
nevada
state
constitution
that
still
exists
to
allow
slave
labor
when
in
prison
needs
to
be
removed
to
eliminate
slave
labor.
We
know
this
type
of
language
was
introduced
specifically
to
systematically
harm
blacks
and
has
done
so.
We
cannot
shift
lane
to
alabama
or
any
other
state.
J
J
Further
any
company
allowing
a
profit
to
their
bottom
line
based
on
prison
slave
labor
should
be
exposed
and
demand
also
made
to
them
to
withdraw
their
business
or
pay.
The
livable
wage,
but
truth
be
told.
I
think,
based
on
the
conversation
today
what's
revealed,
is
that
many
entities
within
the
state
and
state
organization
and
even
the
federal
government
are
financially
benefiting.
J
We
say:
follow
the
money
stock
saints
stationed
slave
labor,
if,
indeed,
these
facilities
are
named
as
correctional,
they
should
provide
an
opportunity
for
repair
or
correction
while
being
held
to
the
inmates,
and
this
should
include
wages,
including
or
equal
to
the
state's
minimum
required
for
all
people
for
any
and
all
labor.
Further.
J
Providing
economic
educational
options
for
re-entry,
including
employment,
finance
and
suitable
housing,
has
been
shown
to
decrease
the
chances
of
reoffending,
eliminate
the
business
of
property,
eliminate
the
business
of
so-called
crime
and
break
the
cycle
of
black
and
brown
people
in
masses
from
being
targeted
by
the
state
because
of
desperate
survival
methods
and
the
conditions
designed
by
the
state.
We
urge
legislators
to
make
the
correction
to
eliminate
slave
labor
and
to
assist
in
successful
re-entry
and
to
support
sb
140..
Thank
you.
D
D
F
F
F
He
has
held
his
job
down
for
the
last
three
years,
but
has
never
received
pay
for
this.
In
fact,
the
only
jobs
within
the
facility
that
receives
any
type
of
pay
are
those
in
the
kitchen.
It
is
rumored
that
everybody
has
received
less
than
80
dollars
a
month,
but
is
cut
more
by
having
to
pay
room
board
and
other
fuse
pertaining
to
be
incarcerated,
hold
on.
It
is
important
to
see
them
as
humans
as
someone
trying
to
better
their
lives
and
not
to
return
into
the
system.
F
Currently,
there
is
no
reward
for
them
to
work
towards
nothing
to
motivate
them.
To
get
up
go
to
work,
earn
a
wage,
give
them
a
little
bit
of
normalcy
and
extras
that
families
can't
what
what
happens
to
those
incarcerated
that
has
no
family
to
go
home
to
no
one
to
help
when
released,
and
they
have
no
money
saved
from
working.
They
will
most
likely
end
up
back
in
the
system.
F
What,
if
those
same
individuals
were
able
to
hold
down
a
job
while
serving
their
time
save
money
been
released,
have
something
to
help
get
back
on
their
feet.
They
then
have
the
knowledge
and
the
discipline
they
need
to
have
a
stable
life.
Once
again,
I
wanted
to
have
a
lower
chance
of
having
them
return,
something
in
doc
stresses
they
aim
for
again,
I
do
support
sb140.
Thank
you.
D
D
F
Hello,
my
name
is
jody
hawking
j-o-d-I-h-o-c-k-I-n-g.
First
I'd
just
like
to
really
thank
senator
neil
for
being
proactive
and
bringing
this
type
of
legislation
to
the
table.
I
think
it
was
desperately
needed.
F
I
would
like
to
tell
the
story
of
what
happened
with
us
when,
when
my
loved
one
came
home
from
prison
in
2018,
this
somewhat
answers
senator
senator
meyer's
question
well,
they're
incarcerated,
ten
percent
of
money-
that's
sent
to
them
is
put
into
a
savings
account
that
the
maximum
of
that
used
to
be
four
hundred
dollars.
They've
now
increased
it
to
five
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
during
the
pandemic.
F
F
We
continue
to
take
and
take
and
take
from
them,
while
they're
trying
to
rehabilitate
and
get
ready
to
come
to
the
streets,
and
what
happens
is
it
turns
into
a
revolving
door?
They
come
out.
They
have
nothing
and
are
expected
to
be
able
to
rebuild
their
life
if
you've
lost
everything
today.
How
would
you
do
that?
F
It
was
interesting
to
me
on
january,
15th,
department
of
corrections
posted
a
post
on
their
facebook
page
about
silver
state
industries
and
how
inmates
had
made
sandstone
markers
that
are
skilled,
craftsmanship,
they're,
phenomenal
pieces
of
craftsmanship
that
were
used
in
carson
city
to
now
mark
the
trails
there.
So
they
have
historical
markers
and
they
said
it
like.
It
was
a
proud
thing.
F
D
D
M
M
M
M
D
F
Hello,
my
name
is
nicole
tate
and
I
see
o-l-e
last
ate
a
registered
voter
of
senate
district.
Eight,
I'm
calling
in
support
of
sb
160..
Some
incarcerated
persons
are
fortunate
enough
to
have
the
ability
to
obtain
a
job
while
incarcerated.
Some
may
think
that
hey
this
is
great,
but
now
they
can
they
provide.
They
can
now
provide
for
their
own
food
and
hygiene
needs,
but
can
they
they
can't
why,
because
they
only
make
slave
way
to
the
best
and
if
they
are
even
paid
as
many
are
not
even
paid.
F
Let
me
share
with
you
a
few
prices
of
commonly
used
products.
The
cheapest
stick
of
deodorant
to
be
able
to
be
obtained
is
two
dollars
and
twenty
cents,
the
average
shampoo
price,
is
four
dollars.
One
pair
of
socks
is
a
dollar.
Eighty
three
in
a
pack
of
men's
underwear
is
approximately
fifteen
dollars
and
a
doctor's
appointment
for
just
a
regular
doctor's
appointment
is
eight
dollars.
It
has
been
said
that
one's
wage
could
be
35
cents
an
hour.
F
Utilizing
that
amount
one
would
have
to
work
just
eight
hours
to
pay
for
one
stick
of
deodorant
in
23
hours,
for
one
doctor's
appointment
now,
that
is
before.
Deductions
are
taken
from
those
wages,
deductions
that
are
currently
up
to
83
percent
of
every
dollar
made
or
sent
in
with
regards
to
marshy's
law
deduction,
and
while
that
remains
up
to
being
debatable
up
for
debate,
excuse
me
being
paid
minimum
wage
would
be,
would
net
more
money
for
victims?
F
D
D
I
Good
afternoon
ken
evans
for
the
record
k-e-n-e-v-a-n-f
last
name
for
the
record,
I'm
a
30-plus
year
resident
of
las
vegas
and
nevada,
and
I'm
here
today
to
support
senate
bill
140..
I
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
senator
neal
for
bringing
this
legislation
forward
for
two
primary
reasons:
number
one.
I
believe
that
everyone,
despite
their
offense,
is
due
a
second
chance
at
coming
back
into
society
as
a
productive
citizen
number
two.
I
D
A
F
Begin,
my
name
is
ashley
ash
jelly
white
w-h-I-t-e,
I'm
here
in
support
of
this
bill.
I
do
believe
it
would
be
very
productive.
My
fiance
is
currently
incarcerated
in
southern
desert,
he's
currently
working
as
a
porter.
He
does
not
get
paid,
but
he
is
working
that
job
which
he
says
is
very
degrading
because
he
has
to
get
up
and
scrub
toilets
every
day
for
free.
He
does
not
get
paid
for
it
if
he
would
get
paid.
It
would
help
a
lot
because
I
actually
am
out
here.
He
has
no
family
to
support
him.
F
F
D
M
Hello,
my
name
is
leslie
turner,
l-e-s-l-I-e
t-u-r-n-e-r
and
first
I
just
want
to
thank
the
committee
and
also
thank
senator
dean
o'neill
for
just
connecting
the
path
to
the
current.
I
think
this
is
really
important
that
we
know
we
didn't
just
arrive
at
this
place
in
society,
where
it's
widely
accepted
that
incarcerated
people
should
work
for
less
than
minimum
wage
in
this
country
it's
been
a
journey
and
it
is
connected
to
the
past.
M
It
is
connected
to
slavery,
it
is
connected
to
black
codes
and
jim
crow
laws,
and
I
think
that,
having
that
context
and
really
getting
that,
you
know
taking
that,
taking
the
time
to
learn
and
really
digging
those
leads,
I
think,
is
really
important
in
terms
of
eradicating
systemic
racism.
This
is
really
about
humanity.
Incarcerated
individuals
are
still
human
beings.
Therefore
they
should
be
paid
for
their
labor.
M
Otherwise
it
is
slave.
Labor,
passing
sb
140
will
be
a
really
profound
step
towards
undoing
the
laws
that
have
contributed
to
systemic
racism,
and
it
opens
up
a
discussion
on
how
systemic
racism
impacts.
Everyone,
including
people
who
are
not
black
or
not,
people
of
color.
It
also
impacts
government
and
it
just
it-
there's
a
ripple
effect
throughout
communities
and
throughout
society.
Imagine
getting
released
from
prison
with
no
money,
yet
you're
barred
from
getting
an
apartment.
You
have
difficulty
getting
certain
jobs
up
until
2019.
M
You
couldn't
even
vote
yet
you
expect
people
to
get
out
and-
and
you
know,
be
productive
members
of
society.
It
can't
happen
if
you're,
if
you're,
not
given
the
tools
to
be
able
to
do
that,
laws
that
represent
systemic
racism
contribute
to
the
deterioration
of
communities
by
setting
up
people
coming
out
of
prison
to
fail.
M
D
L
My
name
is
jared
retta
spelt,
y-a-r-e-d,
r-e-t-t-a
and
yeah,
I'm
in
support
of
senate
bill
140.,
I'm
a
formerly
incarcerated,
prisoner
constitutional
slave
and
that's
exactly
what
it
is,
and
it's
very
inspiring
to
hear
that
everybody
is
pro
this
deal.
I
just
was
released
from
prison
13.
You
know
14
days
ago.
Excuse
me
and
I
understand
how
how
degrading
how
the
the
labor
that
is
available
to
us
and
so
many
different
inmates
won't
be
able
to
provide
for
themselves.
L
What
is
the
point
of
us?
I've
heard
these
conversations.
I've
been
a
part
of
them
as
well,
but
what
is
the
point
of
me
being
able
to
get
a
job
and
do
all
of
this
slave
work,
where
you're
at
concert
conservation
camps
and
doing
landscaping
and
remodeling
the
whole
entire
facility
by
your
own
hands
and
getting
paid?
L
Absolutely
nothing
sometimes
you'll
be
doing
fire
camps
and
you're
doing
fi
firefighting,
work,
nevada,
department
of
forestry
work
and
only
getting
a
dollar
an
hour,
while
the
rest
of
the
actual
and
ndf
is
actually
getting
almost
six
figures
in
the
whole
season,
and
so
to
me
I
I'm
so
pro
this
bill
and
I
really
appreciate
senator
neal
rest
in
peace
to
her
father.
L
He
was
a
great
senator
as
well,
and
I
really
support
this
bill
and
I
think
that
for
us
to
be
able
to
reduce
recidivism,
we
need
to
be
able
be
able
to
condition
our
our
nevadans
in
prison
to
be
able
to
earn
a
minimum
wage
and
handle
their
money
and
gain
financial
literacy
while
we're
in
there,
because
if
we're
not
we're
not
even
being
able
to
reform
our
mind
because
then
all
we're
doing
is
conforming
into
all
of
the
negativity,
that's
surrounded
in
our
environment.
L
I've
worked
in
the
kitchen
and
I've
worked
40
hour
weeks.
10
hour
shifts
only
three
days
off
and
if
I
don't
in
on
my
two
days
three
days
off,
if
I
don't,
if
I
don't
come
into
work,
I
get
fired.
I
get
level
reduced
so
then
I
go
back
to
level
three.
I
get
less
tear
time
which
now
I'm
back
to
23
and
one
and
I'm
only
getting
paid
a
dollar
a
day
and
it's
just
it's
just
ridiculous.
L
It's
extremely
oppressive
and
I
think
that
nevada
needs
to
be
able
to
take
the
radical
step
in
passing
this
bill,
and
on
top
of
that
I
was
a
part
of
prison
education
with
csn
through
ms
devine
and
right
now,
I'm
in
csn
and
I'm
a
student
government
leader,
I'm
the
sen
senator
for
the
henderson
campus
for
college
of
southern
nevada.
So
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
share
my
story
and
I'm
in
support
of
this
bill.
D
D
J
Yes,
my
name
is
asa
clark,
that's
a-s-h-a,
clark,
c-l-a-r-k.
First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
committee
and
senator
neil
for
introducing
this
bill
and
allowing
me
a
chance
to
speak
on
this
bill.
J
I
am
in
support
of
this
bill
because
I
am
a
formerly
incarcerated
individual
and
I
have
been
in
those
shoes
and
behind
that
wall
and
had
to
work
and
endure
hard
labor
and
to
me
you
know
this
is
just
slavery
by
another
name,
and
I
feel
that
you
know
it's
unfair
because
you
never
know
what
chances
in
life
what
the
road
may
take,
and
I
feel
that
you
know
in
passing
this
deal
that
everyone
you
know
on
the
committee
on
the
board
need
to
just
take
a
self
reflect
and
just
think
about
it.
J
J
I
used
to
work
in
prison
and
also
in
the
jails
out
here
in
las
vegas
and
have
to
work
in
the
laundry
room
and
doing
really
hard
labor
like
working
in
a
warehouse
sweating
and
for
eight
hours
a
day
non-stop
standing
on
my
feet
using
you
know
my
feet
and
I
I
believe
I
have
arthritis
now
because
of
working
in
prison
because
of
these
turn
under
these
traditions-
and
it's
just
you
know,
put
yourself
in
someone
else's
shoes
and
it
just
think
if
it
was
you
having
to
work
and
do
all
that
hard
labor
or
you
know,
if
you
got
caught
up,
you
just
have
to
clean
up
behind
someone
else
in
a
facility
and
just
getting
paid
nothing,
no
wages.
J
You
know
how
would
you
feel-
and
I
am
in
very
much
support
of
this
bill,
and
I
just
accept
the
committee
and
everyone
take
into
consideration
of
the
bill
and
just
think
you
know,
because
no
no
one
wants
to
work
for
free.
No
one
wants
to
do
any
type
of
labor,
especially
hard
labor
for
free.
You
know
and
just
think
about
put
yourself
in
the
next
question.
If
it
was
you,
what
would
you
do?
Thank
you
very
much
for
my
time
and
opportunity
and
you
all
have
a
wonderful
day.
D
F
R-A-S-M-U-S-S-E-N,
I'm
speaking
to
you
today
on
behalf
of
nevada
attorneys,
for
criminal
justice
and
on
behalf
of
my
law
firm
good
afternoon
members
of
the
committee,
and
thank
you
to
senator
neil
for
for
putting
this
bill
forward.
I
wanted
to
offer
my
support
for
a
couple
different
reasons.
One
is
that
I
think
that
people
don't
often
realize
how
much
of
a
burden
it
places
to
families
of
incarcerated
individuals
to
have
someone
who's
in
custody,
and
that
burden
is
not
only
the
fact
that
they
don't
have
them
at
home,
except
that
it
they.
F
F
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
in
other
contexts
and
on
other
bills
and
in
other
commissions,
in
the
last
six
months,
about
money,
that's
being
taken
out
of
inmate
accounts
and
how
much
money
and
what
is
too
much-
and
you
know
those
conversations
revolve
around.
What's
the
appropriate
amount
to
take
from
an
inmate
account
to
satisfy
restitutions
or
victims
of
a
crime,
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
marsy's
law
that
was
recently
enacted.
F
But
if
you
give
people
actual
wages
where
they're
not
receiving
any
wages
or
where
they're
receiving
very
low
wages,
that
becomes
a
different
conversation,
it
becomes
a
conversation
that
is
really
about
making
people
whole.
So
it's
not
just
about
making
the
inmates
self-sufficient
and
able
to
support
themselves
so
that
their
families
don't
have
to
send
them
money.
F
But
it's
also
about
making
the
victims
potentially
of
their
crime
where
there
are
restitution
orders
whole
and
it
is
about
giving
people
a
means
to
support
themselves
when
they
come
out,
means
to
have
some
funds
and
some
money
necessary
to
do
that.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
bill.
I
encourage
you
all
to
support
it
and
to
vote
for
it,
and
thanks
for
hearing
me
out
this
afternoon,.
A
A
Thank
you
for
your
help,
mr
kyle.
We
will
now
move
to
testimony
in
the
neutral
position
on
sb-140.
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
in
that
case,
we
have
concluded
all
the
testimony
on
sb
140..
I
will
hand
it
back
over
to
the
sponsor.
If
you
have
any
final
comments
or
remarks.
E
Thank
you,
chair
scheible.
This
is
senator
dean.
O'neill,
for
the
record.
Only
thing
I
can
say
is,
I
think,
god
is,
has
jokes
but
I'll.
Take
this
I'll.
Take
whatever
happened
today.
Thank
you
to
the
committee
for
hearing
this
bill,
giving
it
a
hearing.
E
A
Well,
thank
you
for
a
thorough
presentation
for
answering
all
of
our
questions
and
for
joining
us
today.
We,
we
really
do
appreciate
it,
and
with
that
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
sb
140..
That
takes
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
today,
which
is
public
comment.
Anybody
wishing
to
give
public
comment
we'll
have
two
minutes
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
you
at
broadcast.
Now.
D
D
D
A
All
right,
thank
you
again,
mr
kyle,
for
all
of
your
help,
seeing
as
there
is
nobody
here
to
give
public
comment
that
will
conclude
our
meeting
for
today,
we
are
meeting
again
tomorrow
on
thursday
at
1pm
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.