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A
All
right,
I
will
now
call
this
session
of
the
senator
committee
to
order
we
have
everybody
here
and
I
want
to
thank
the
hardest
working
staff
in
the
building,
the
senate
judiciary
staff
for
making
this
meeting
work.
Despite
our
very
crazy
schedule
this
week
and
with
that
will
the
esteemed
secretary,
please
take
the
rule
vice
chair
canazaro.
She
is
on
her
way
food
market
present
when
she
arrives
senator
orange
hall
here
senator
harris.
She
is
also
on
her
way
feed
marker
present
when
she
arrives.
Senator
sotomayer,
senator
hanson.
A
Here,
thank
you.
All
right
looks
like
we
have
a
full
house
today,
because
the
building
has
reopened
even
more
than
last
week,
and
it
is
very
nice
to
have
so
many
people
here.
Ground
rules,
ground
rules
are
the
same.
As
always,
we
will
do
presentations.
First
members
will
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions.
Then
we
will
do
testimony
from
people
in
person
and
support,
then
via
phone
and
support
in
person,
in
opposition
via
phone
in
opposition
and
person
neutral
via
phone
in
neutral.
A
All
that
testimony
is
limited
to
two
minutes
per
person,
and
that
is
a
maximum.
Not
a
minimum.
Don't
feel
the
need
to
hit
two
minutes.
You
can
say
I
agree
ditto,
I'm
on
the
same
page,
and
we
will
register
that
as
your
your
opinion
as
well
with
that,
I
think
we
are
ready
to
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today.
Ab116
and
I
will
now
open
the.
C
C
This
bill
seeks
to
change
our
current
system
for
minor
traffic
and
other
related
violations
from
being
criminal
and
to
civil
in
nature.
Presenting
with
me
today
on
the
zoom
is
erica
ferris,
one
of
my
wonderful,
diligent
and
just
super
intelligent
and
excited
interns
for
this
session
to
provide
some
background
information
on
assembly
bill
116..
B
B
B
B
Some
even
claim
these
minor
traffic
offenses
are
used
as
a
vehicle
for
deportation
for
undocumented
residents.
The
scenario
is
very
real
and
tragic.
For
so
many
of
our
friends,
neighbors
and
co-workers.
Most
states,
including
all
of
our
neighboring
states,
have
transitioned
to
a
system
that
treats
minor
traffic
infractions
as
civil
offenses
rather
than
criminal.
These
states
have
experienced
not
only
reduced
financial
burden
for
those
receiving
citations,
but
also
reduced
costs
associated
with
criminal
proceedings
and
detention,
as
well
as
decreased
burden
on
court.
B
B
Unfortunately,
we
did
not
have
sufficient
support
to
move
forward
in
2017.
An
interim
study
was
approved
to
examine
the
complexity
of
this
subject.
It
is
our
hope
that
we
have
learned
lessons
from
that
study
and
the
2019
session
to
gain
greater
support
for
ab16
116
during
this
legislative
session.
Thank
you
and
I
will
now
turn
the
bill
presentation
back
to
assemblywoman.
C
Thank
you.
With
your
permission
chair.
I
would
like
to
kind
of
walk
through
generally
some
of
the
sections
of
assembly
bill
116,
as
well
as
the
amendments
that
I
believe
were
posted
to
nellis,
there's
a
mock-up
that
was
on
there
assembly
bill
116,
establishes
civil
penalties
for
certain
traffic
and
related
violations.
C
I
like
to
think
fifth
time's
the
charm
on
this
bill,
but
I
know
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work
that
has
been
brought
forward
in
bringing
this
bill
by
people
before
me.
So
I
feel,
like
they've
done
a
lot
of
trailblazing
that
has
made
it
a
lot
smoother
of
a
transition
this
time
going
through
the
bill.
C
We
were
very
well
aware
of
some
of
the
concerns
that
our
partners,
whether
it's
law
enforcement
prosecutors,
defense,
attorneys
members
of
the
community,
our
court
system,
have
you
know,
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
luckily,
I
feel
like
we
have
conveyed
a
large
group
of
stakeholders
to
make
sure
that
we
put
this
bill
in
the
best
position
for
it,
and
I
believe
what
we
have
here
today
before
you
all
is
the
best
version
of
this
build
that
we've
had
in
a
long
time.
C
I
know
in
meeting
with
clerks
court
clerks
from
around
the
state
when
I
met
with
them
on
several
different
occasions.
I
was
shocked
to
learn
that
I
was
the
first
legislator
that
ever
reached
out
to
them
to
get
their
opinion
on
how
to
implement
like
this
type
of
change
in
our
policy.
So
I
really
truly
appreciate
being
able
to
work
with
those
people
in
the
rural
communities
in
the
court
system.
C
What
I
learned
in
my
work
and
other
forms
of
criminal
justice
reform
is
that
we
need
to
have
policies
that
make
sense
that
are
evidence-based,
that
take
into
consideration
all
stakeholders,
and
hopefully
that's
what
this
bill
represents.
As
I
presented
today,
assembly
bill
116
again
establishes
certain
certain
civil
penalties
for
certain
traffic.
As
you
can
see,
we've
excluded
any
serious
traffic.
They
are
enumerated.
They
include
things
like
dui,
reckless,
driving
hit
and
run.
C
Additionally,
a
violation
of
a
provision
of
an
existing
law
ordinance
would
be
a
civil
infraction,
not
a
misdemeanor.
Unless,
again,
a
criminal
penalty
is
prescribed
for
that.
So
that
would
include
those
more
serious.
I
would
call
them
criminal
charges
and
not
traffic
matters
again.
C
The
main
purposes
of
this
bill
is
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
arresting
and
incarcerating
people
for
committing
minor
traffic
violations,
especially
when
these
individuals
do
not
have
the
resources
to
pay
for
these
tickets
or
fines,
and
I
would
say
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
that
they
have
committed
a
criminal
misdemeanor
when
they've
got
a
speeding
ticket.
I'm
sure
all
the
members
of
this
committee
have
never
received
a
misdemeanor
citation
for
speeding
because
I'm
sure
they
are
all
following
those
traffic
laws
to
a
t.
C
And
yes,
I'm
looking
at
you
senator
hansen,
you
know
so
I
you
know
I.
I
think
this
is
something
that
people
don't
realize.
We
have
people
that
are
coming
in.
They
are
tourists.
I
think
most
people
is
premise.
This
is
premised
on
the
belief
that
most
people
want
to
pay
their
traffic
fines
and
they
don't
realize
whether
or
not
they
are
traffic
infractions
or
they
are
civil
infractions
or
criminal
infractions.
C
But
our
system
is
burdened
by
that
fact.
If
we
start
with
sections
9,
11
and
12,
it
does
make
it
clear
that
civil
infractions
still
count
as
infractions
on
a
person's
driving
record.
One
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
make
clear
is
that
by
decriminalizing
traffic
minor
traffic
that
we
didn't
compromise
public
safety,
we
didn't
you
know,
compromise
those
types
of
aspects,
so
that
makes
that
clear
in
those
sections
sections
23-26
again
explain
the
procedure
of
how
these
cases
would
now
be
processed
through
the
court
section.
C
C
Take
any
of
that,
like
discretion
from
police
officers,
if
they're
pulling
you
over
for
a
speeding
ticket
and
they
pull
you
over
and
you
roll
down
your
window
and
they're
going
to
give
you
a
civil
infraction
and
they
see
a
severed
head
or
they
see
you
know
they
run.
You
know
your
license,
they
feel
like
you
have
criminal
warrants.
They
can
still
arrest
you.
If
you
smell
like
alcohol,
they
can
still
detain
you
if
they're
any
other
indicia
of
like
part
of
their
investigation,
they
can
still
do
their
job.
C
C
Instead
of
prosecuting
a
robbery
charge,
they
are
now
like
putting
on
a
speeding
trial,
and
this
reduces
the
burden
from
that
reasonable
doubt
that
you
get
when
you
are
charged
with
any
criminal
prosecution
down
to
that
preponderance
of
evidence
to
the
point
where
an
officer
no
longer
has
to
come
in
if
they
choose
to,
they
can
submit
an
affidavit
and
that
would
be
sufficient
for
the
judge
to
or
the
master
hearing
master
or
whoever
is
adjudicating
that
civil
infraction
to
use
that
in
consideration
in
determining
whether
or
not
that
standard
has
met.
C
Additionally,
section
30
basically
says
that
if
you
are
faced
with
one
of
these
civil
infractions,
you
have
three
options.
You
can
pay
the
fine
and
be
done
with
it.
You
can
contest
the
citation
or
you
can
acknowledge.
The
infraction
was
committed
but
explain
mitigating
circumstances.
Again.
Sections
31-33
describe
what
that
hearing
might
look
like
in
court
and
section
80
would
require
that
any
existing
warrants
for
failures
to
appear
in
court
would
be
canceled.
It
doesn't
mean
that
the
ticket
would
go
away.
C
C
We
heard
here
in
carson
city-
and
this
is
part
of
what
inspired
me
to
bring
back
this
legislation
for
the
fifth
time
is
in
at
the
end
of
2000,
the
2019
session,
carson
city
kind
of
saw
where
perhaps
we
were
going
as
a
state
to
catch
up
with
the
other.
How
many
is
it
40
states
or
37
states
that
already
have
decriminalized
traffic
and
they
decided
they
were
no
longer
going
to
arrest
individuals
for
these
charges.
They
were
no
longer
going
to
look
at
they
looked
at
this
holistically.
C
They
determined
that
when
a
police
officer
stopped
someone
and
they
had
a
traffic
warrant
for
failing
to
pay
their
speeding
ticket,
it
took
that
officer
off
the
like
off
the
streets.
They
now
had
to
impound
the
car
they
had
to
take.
That
officer
had
to
arrest
the
person.
Take
them
down,
look
them
in.
C
C
They
learned
that
when
they
reported
this
to
a
collection
agency,
they
actually
saw
an
increase.
I
think
it
was
around
8.4
8.5
in
the
amount
of
money
they
were
actually
collecting
for
these
warrant
fees.
So
I-
and
that
was
during
a
pandemic
when
they
already
saw
the
loss
of
tickets.
The
ticket
number
of
tickets
went
down,
so
these
are
all
things
that
I
kind
of
took
into
consideration.
C
If
you
look
at
the
amendment
that
is
in
the
mock-up,
it
is
the
proposed
amendment
3425
to
assembly
bill
116.
The
second
reprint
that
is
on
nellis,
and
hopefully
you
had
the
opportunity
to
see
one
of
these
came
from
naco,
which
has
been
actively
working
with
us,
especially
some
of
our
rural
jurisdictions,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
giving
as
much
flexibility
as
we
can
to
put
that
in
there.
I
think,
there's
still
some
wordsmithing
that
can
be
done.
I
learned
recently
that
badge
number
isn't
always
something
that
is
stable.
C
We
are
open
to
being
inclusive
on
what
that
might
look
like
as
well
inclusive
of
the
badge
number
or
any
other
identifying
number
that
the
peace
officer
issuing
the
citation
might
have.
It
also
includes,
like
other
aspects,
of
establishing
a
dispute
resolution
to
just
give
those
local
jurisdictions
more
flexibility.
C
Additionally,
we
accepted
an
amendment
from
the
clark
county
district
attorney's
office
that
they
had
submitted
to
us
regarding
section
79.2
again,
this
was
a
section
that
was
inadvertently
left
out
that
also
included
again
a
person
may
be
detained
or
encountered
and
their
circumstances
where
they
have
committed
or
committing
a
crime
or
a
civil
infraction.
So
that
gave
the
officer
the
ability
to
stop
someone
for
that
civil
infraction
and
detain
them,
while
they
are
doing
that,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
this
over
to
miss
mosley.
C
D
Y
l-e-I-s-a-m-o-s-e-l-e-y
am
the
state
director
for
the
fines
and
fees
justice
center.
The
fines
and
fuse
justice
center
is
a
national
organization
that
works
to
end
fees
that
are
associated
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
make
fines
more
equitable
and
just
and
proportionate
to
the
offense,
and
we
are
in
support
of
this
bill.
It
is
an
honor
to
sit
beside
assemblywoman
nguyen
and
present
with
you
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
So
with
that.
I
look
forward
to
any
questions
that
the
committee
may
have
for
me.
A
E
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
I
mean
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
as
long
as
I've
been
here.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
or
a
couple
of
thoughts.
G
First,
you
know
the
first
several
years,
eight
or
nine
years
of
my
law
practice,
I'd
handled
tickets
for
free
for
clients
and
others
that
would
come
in
and
it
was
amazing
to
me
how
easy
it
is
to
settle
a
ticket,
and
you
know
for
an
attorney
you
walk
in,
and
this
is
down
in
in
southern
nevada,
whether
it's
henderson
or
or
the
county
or
or
municipal
las
vegas
municipal.
You
walk
in
they
I
mean,
there's
a
long
queue.
Not
all
are
attorneys,
but
you
walk
up
to
the
table.
G
G
So
it's
incredibly
easy
right
now
to
resolve
these
tickets,
and
yet
what
astonished
me
was,
I
would
get
people
calling
and
say:
hey
I
just
found
out:
I've
got
a
bench
warrant
outstanding
and
I've
got
30
tickets.
I
need
to
resolve
okay
and
I'd.
Why
didn't
you
show
up?
This
is
an
easy
system
and
they
usually
had
some
excuse
that
I
may
or
may
not
have
believed,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
these
are
people
who
have
flouted
the
rules.
G
They've
got
a
bunch
of
tickets,
they've
gotten
ticket
after
they
missed
a
a
deadline
and
somehow
I
think
the
bench
warrant
probably
wasn't
yet
issued,
but
they
got
another
ticket.
The
people
that
are
typically
exposed
to
bench
warrants
in
my
experience
were
those
that
probably
deserved
a
little
bit
of
accountability.
But
that's
not
what
this
is
about.
G
I'm
assuming
because
we're
moving
from
a
criminal
to
a
civil
action,
we're
also
moving
from
a
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt
to
a
preponderance
standard.
I
see
a
nod
so
with
that.
Are
we
also
then
reducing
fine?
I
mean
not
in
this
bill,
but
is
the
expectation
then
that
the
the
fines
are
gonna
be
reduced
or
or
how
does
it
work
what's
the
downstream
effect
after
this
bill.
C
Rochelle
nguyen
for
the
record,
thank
you
for
your
question.
You
must
be
incredibly,
you
must
have
incredibly
good
staff
at
your
office,
but
I
will
tell
you
it
has
not
an
easy
solution
for
people
to
resolve
their
tickets.
C
I
can
tell
you
that
by
the
number
of
tickets
that
I
am
asked
to
resolve
for
attorneys
that
don't
know
how
to
figure
out
the
various
systems
in
southern
nevada.
There
are
different
systems
in
place
for
attorney
resolutions,
to
put
it
on
an
attorney
calendar
where
you're
represented
by
council
in
the
city
of
las
vegas,
the
city
of
henderson.
C
C
Yes,
there
are
people
that
flout
the
law
that
are
going
to
just
be
habitual,
like
you
know,
traffic
offenders,
any
one
of
these
prosecutors
that
are
behind
me
that
I
know
that
will
come
up
and
testify
either
in
support,
neutral
or
opposition.
They
will
talk
to
you
about
those
people
as
well,
but
the
vast
majority
of
those
bench
warrants
the
vast
majority
of
those
people
that
are
going
into
are
going
into
warrant,
not
because
they
don't
want
to
pay
is
sometimes
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
pay.
C
So
to
the
first
part
of
your
question,
the
second
part
of
your
question,
baby
steps.
You
know
we
have
to
start
here.
Yes,
I
think,
having
conversations
about
the
amount
of
fines,
the
way
you
pay
fines.
C
The
way
you
do
that
is
another
policy
conversation
that
we
should
have
and
if
I'm
fortunate
enough
be
here
in
2023
and
this
bill
passes
in
this
legislative
session,
I
am
sure
I
will
be
back
here
having
those
same
kind
of
conversations
about
how
we
continue
to
move
forward
and
progress
and
make
our
system
a
fair
situation.
And,
yes,
it
is
a
preponderance
of
the
evidence.
D
Lisa
mosley
I'd
like
to
us
fines
and
fees,
justice
center,
I'd
like
to
if
I
may
cheer
through
you
address
mr
pickard
I'd
like
to
offer
some
insight
on
to
how
people
end
up
with
warrants.
But
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
there's
nothing
in
this
bill
that
would
allow
people
to
break
the
law
with
impunity.
D
The
fines
don't
go
away,
the
fees
don't
go
away.
People
still
have
to
pay
those
fines
and
pay
those
fees.
The
only
thing
that
this
bill
does
is
keep
people
from
being
arrested
for
being
unable
to
pay
those
fines
and
fees.
How
people
end
up
with
warrants.
You're
right,
you
can
walk
into
when
you
get
a
court,
a
citation
with
a
court
date.
D
D
One
thing
is
supposed
to
happen
in
in
2019
session,
ab434
was
passed.
Senator
harris
worked
very
diligently
on
that
bill.
That's
a
post
that
mandated
an
ability
to
pay
assessment
that
all
the
courts
are
supposed
to
use
before
adjudicating
any
traffic
fines.
If
a
person
is
unable
to
pay
right
away,
they
are
offered
the
ability
to
go
on
a
payment
plan
and
they
are
offered
community
service.
That's
what's
supposed
to
happen.
So
that's
the
beginning.
D
If
someone
says
I'd
like
to
get
on
a
payment
plan,
they
are
now
assessed
a
payment
plan
fee,
in
addition
to
the
original
fine
and
the
original
fees
that
come
with,
that
they
now
have
a
payment
plan
fee.
So,
let's
just
say,
you're
the
person
is
paying
their
fees
they're
paying
their
fine
they're
moving
along
then
comes
a
payment
day,
and
let's
say
your
payment
is
due
today,
but
they
don't
get
paid
until
friday.
D
There
is
no
grace
period
in
nevada
if
your
payment,
if
that
person,
doesn't
make
their
payment
today
by
12
midnight,
they
are
in
warren
status,
so
warrants
don't
just
get
issued
because
someone
just
says:
I'm
not
going
to
pay,
they
they
get
issued
because
someone
may
have
missed
a
payment
which
we
see
quite
often.
The
other
thing
is:
if
someone
misses
a
payment,
there
are
some
jurisdictions
that
code
that,
as
a
failure
to
appear
as
well
as
a
failure
to
pay.
D
So
that's
how
someone
ends
up
in
warren
status,
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
in
there,
because
the
system
is
premised
on
the
fact
that
people
that
the
belief
that
people
are
scuff
laws-
and
they
just
don't
want
to
pay.
But
what
we
have
found
with
research
is.
That
is
not
the
case
when
the
barriers
to
paying
fines
and
fees
are
removed.
People
actually
will
pay.
That
is
evidenced
by
the
fact
that
carson
city,
when
they
removed
those
barriers,
saw
an
8.5
increase
in
their
annual
collection
rate.
D
There's
another
point
about
carson
city
that
we
don't
talk
about
much.
Not
only
did
they
see
an
8.5
annual
increase
in
their
collection
rate
of
the
cases
that
were
turned
over
to
collection
agencies,
which
is
what
this
bill
will
allow
jurisdictions
to
do.
They
saw
a
50
increase
in
the
collection
of
cases
that
were
turned
over
to
collections
agency.
G
All
right
and
you
you
touched
on
my
follow-up,
which
was
a
standard
process
because
you're
right,
las
vegas
municipal,
has
a
different
process
from
las
vegas
justice
court
from
the
the
county
process
from
henderson.
Henderson
is
the
one
where
you
fax
it
in
and
that's
good
enough,
but
I
and
it's
been
a
couple
of
years
since
I
did
a
traffic.
G
Well,
maybe
a
year
since
I've
done
a
traffic
ticket,
but
as
I'm
sitting
waiting
for
my
adjudicatory
process
to
finish,
I'm
watching
the
pro
ses
stand
up
and
if
they're
asked
the
question,
can
you
pay
this?
They
say?
No,
would
you
like
a
payment
plan?
They
say
yes,
what
day?
Would
you
like
to
start
your
payments?
What
day
they
ask?
G
But
how
do
we
I'm
trying
to
narrow
the
focus
right
now
on
those
after
this
bill?
Is
enacted
because
I
think
it
will
I'd
ultimately
support
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
I
would
like
to
see
it
go
a
little
further,
but
how
do
we
then
incentivize
payment,
because
the
ability
to
pay
is
somewhat
subjective?
G
That's
usually
the
last
thing
they
want
to
pay,
so
they
run
out
of
money
before
they
pay
it.
How
do
we
incentivize
payment
because
that's
ultimately
the
teeth
to
our
traffic
enforcement?
If
we're
going
to
remove
the
criminal
penalty,
how
do
we
incentivize
payment
and
thus
accountability-
and
I
won't
tell
you
how
many
tickets,
I
probably
have
deserved
myself.
D
Lisa
mosley
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
senator
picker
that
82
over
80
percent
of
warrants
in
clark
county
were
issued
to
people
that
have
a
median
income
of
under
49
000.
D
D
We
take
away
the
fee
to
establish
a
payment
plan
because,
depending
on
what
jurisdiction
you're
in
it
could
range
from
anywhere
from
fifty
dollars
to
a
hundred
dollars.
Now,
perhaps
for
the
majority
of
us
sitting
in
this
room,
fifty
dollars
is
not
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
can
speak
to
you
from
my
very
own
experience
with
this
issue.
As
a
mother
of
four
young
children
going
through
a
divorce
that
fifty
dollars
went
a
long
way.
Ask
me
how
much
a
gallon
of
milk
costs
for
my
children
ask
me
what
a
loaf
of
bread
costs.
D
These
are.
The
people
that
were
talking
about
there
are
going
to
be
some
folks.
Perhaps
who
just
forget
they
have
a
ticket
or
don't
pay
it,
but
the
research
does
not
show
that
the
research
shows
that
people
simply
do
not
at
the
end
of
the
day,
have
the
ability
to
pay
all
we're
doing
with
this
bill
is
asking
one
that
people
not
be
arrested,
because
that
just
creates
more
harm
for
them
and
creates
more
fees
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay.
C
In
rochelle
one
for
the
record,
it
also
takes
a
huge
financial
burden
off
of
the
system
to
be
able
to
arrest
people
take
away.
You
know,
like
I,
we've
heard
on
average,
it's
72
for
those
of
that
you
that
have
sat
on
this
committee,
listen
to
presentations
by
ndoc,
or
even
you
know,
different
various
detention
centers
or
if
you
sit
on
any
of
the
money
committees,
you've
heard
that
those
average
costs
that
they
are
seeking
to
incarcerate
people
range
anywhere
from
130
a
day
to
196
dollars
a
day.
C
I
think
those
are
the
range
that
I've
heard
from
the
various
agencies
that
actually
are
paying
for
those
costs.
So
I
think
that's
it.
I
I
understand
you're
concerned
about.
I
guess
what
would
be
the
incentive
and
like,
like,
I
said,
I
think,
a
majority
people
don't
realize
that
that
criminal
aspect
is
even
like
there.
I
don't
think
they
realize
that
I
will
tell
you
probably.
C
I
will
be
back
here
having
to
address
this
as
well,
but
right
now
the
idea
of
being
incarcerated
as
being
a
did
like
it
somehow
is
incentivizing
people
to
pay
their
tickets.
Is
I
don't
think
the
evidence
supports
that
that
that
is
the
case?
C
If
anything
sending
someone
to
collections
putting
that
hit
on
their
credit,
you
know
suspending
their
license.
Those
are
all
things
that
are
really
going
to
incentivize
people
to
pay
their
tickets.
In
addition
to
that,
some
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
that
we
incorporated
into
this
bill
were
things
that,
in
practice
the
courts
wanted
they
didn't
want
to
have
to
constantly
send
out
certified
mail
to
people
to
notify
them.
C
This
allows
them
to
take
advantage
of
technology
that
we
know
has
been
successful
in
other
aspects
of
notifying
and
reminding
people
of
their
tickets,
whether
that's
sending
an
email.
So
there's
an
opt-in
like
on
the
ticket
where
you
can
put
your
email
or
receive
text
messages,
because
for
some
people
they
sometimes
will
just
forget
about
the
ticket
and
unknowingly
go
into
warrant,
and
if
they
had
like
a
text,
reminder
with
a
link
to
say,
hey
pay
your
ticket
here
they
might
be
able
to
just
do
that.
C
I
mean
there
are
some
people
that
would
be
able
to
pay
the
ticket
when
they
got
the
ticket
at
the.
Like
you
know,
if
our
officers
were
now
like
collecting
money,
they
could
probably
do
that
as
well,
so
this
gives
them
the
courts,
the
flexibility
as
far
as
making
like
a
uniform
system
across
the
board.
I
understand
the
like
desire
to
do
that.
C
I
know
that
we
have
so
many
differences
in
the
courts
in
the
jurisdiction
that
that
was
something
that
I
really
wanted
to
be
mindful
of
what
they
are
doing
in
clark
county
or
what
they
are
doing
in
the
city
of
henderson
and
what
they
are
doing
in
sparks
and
what
they
are
doing
in
our
rural
communities.
May
vast,
very
you
know,
maybe
a
very
different
situation,
so
I
wanted
to
still
give
those
jurisdictions
the
flexibility
as
part
of
some
of
the
funding.
C
We
changed
some
of
the
funding
to
go
around
so
more
of
it
stayed
locally
with
those
jurisdictions,
so
they
would
be
able
to.
You
know
whether
it's
right
or
wrong
that
we
fund
a
lot
of
our
like
court
system
based
on
these
traffic.
Fines
and
citations
is
a
whole
separate
conversation,
but
I
know
that's
the
reality
of
what
these
courts
and
what
these
your
jurisdictions
are
undergoing
right
now,
so
we
made
all
those
efforts
to
make
sure
we
were
not.
We
were
accommodating
some
of
those
things,
so
I
hope
that
kind
of
answers.
G
Yeah,
no
and
and
you've
addressed
it
somewhat.
I
mean
I'd.
I'd
still
like
to
know
what
the
downstream
effect
is.
I
just
I
think
it's
interesting
we're
considering
a
different
bill
where
you
know
people
get
paid
every
day,
but
we're
going
to
allow
them
a
daily
or
a
transaction
fee
which
we
do
see
on
the
payment
plans,
but
some
of
those
payment
plans
went
down
to
ten
dollars
a
month.
It
was
whatever
you
could
afford.
G
We
just
want
you
to
be
responsible
and,
generally
speaking,
those
that
were
agreeable
and
showed
up
would
agree
to
those.
So
I
kind
of
reject
the
idea
that
that
a
a
small
transaction
fee
is
necessarily
onerous,
given
we're
considering
the
same
thing,
but
I'm
still
my
concern
is
this,
and
I
kind
of
speak
spoke
to
it
already
that
you
know
my
experience,
anecdotal
as
it
is
suggested
that
the
bench
warrant
was
very
effective
to
a
certain
population
that
you
know
they
wanted
to
stay
out
of
jail.
G
Of
course,
I
I've
opposed
the
idea
of
of
pulling
their
their
driver's
license,
suspending
their
driver's
license
or
their
their
vehicle
registration,
because
now
we're
eliminating
the
ability
for
them
to
get
to
work
and
feed
their
families.
G
So,
but
it's
the
more,
we
reduce
the
accountability,
the
less
incentive
there's
going
to
be
ultimately
to
pay
to
that
margin
that
doesn't
want
to
pay
anyway,
but
anyway.
I
I
think,
we've
hit
enough
of
this.
I
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time
we
got
more
to
do
today,
but
thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
response
and
I
do
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
to
you
know,
make
this
easier
for
the
municipalities
and
and
the
justice
courts
to
resolve
these
things
and
and
get
them
through
the
system.
C
And
there
there's
plenty
of
exhibits
on
nelson,
I'm
sure
miss
mosley
could
wax
poetic
for
like
hours
on
the
evidence,
based
in
some
of
the
studies
that
we've
looked
at,
including
here
right
here
in
carson
city.
H
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
want
to
echo
some
of
the
other
colleagues
who
spoke
thank
assemblyman
to
win
ms
mosley
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
too
have
sat
in.
Certainly,
I
think,
along
with
the
senator
hansen
assembly
judiciary
committee,
where
we
came
very
close
to
trying
to
take
this
action
and
somehow
we
just
didn't
happen.
It
seemed
like
there
were
just
too
many
impediments.
It
couldn't
make
it
work.
H
So
I
think
this
will.
You
know,
change
so
many
people's
lives
and
I
just
wonder
under
the
current
system
I've
got
to
imagine
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
you
know
with
transiency
and
folks
having
to
move
around
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
mail
doesn't
get
to
them.
A
lot
of
folks
may
not
realize
that
something
has
gone
to
warrant
till
they
they're
stopped,
and
then
you
know,
aren't
going
to
get
to
work
the
next
day
because
they're
a
guest
at
the
county
jail.
H
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
data
about
that,
but
I've
got
to
imagine
that
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
bad
addresses
in
the
system
that
the
notices
go
out
to
and
and
people
just
really
aren't
getting
good
notice.
So
it's
kind
of
a
comment
more
than
a
question,
but
I
really
appreciate
the
bill.
Thank
you.
A
Other
questions
from
all
right,
then
I
have
a
couple
of
comments
and
and
questions
as
well,
because
I
do
support
this
bill.
I
think
it
is,
as
my
colleague
senator
harris
said,
long
past
time
and
I'll
also.
A
You
know
there
are
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
wanted
to
point
out,
not
that
your
presentation
was
not
thorough,
but
in
my
experience
everybody
knows
I'm
a
prosecutor
my
day
job
and
in
my
experience
a
lot
of
these
cases
or
a
lot
of
these
tickets
are
for
issues
that
are
originally
caused
by
not
having
the
money
to
solve
the
problem.
A
An
out-of-date
registration,
a
broken
tail
light,
a
failure
to
signal
which
is
actually
caused
by
a
broken
blinker,
those
kinds
of
things,
and
so
people
get
stuck
in
this
cycle
and
also
in.
I
can
only
speak
to
my
experience.
A
Often
our
fantastic
public
defenders
in
clark
county
will
stand
in
as
what
we
call
a
friend
of
the
court
so
that
you
know
they
can
have
a
conversation
with
those
people.
But
the
point
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
that
I
have
never
ever
even
once.
In
my
experience
encountered
somebody
who
said
oh
wow,
I
could
have
paid
this.
I
was
just
avoiding
it.
I
knew
there
was
a
warrant
and
I
got
caught
that
has
literally
never
happened.
I've
run
into
people
who
said
I
had
no
idea.
I
had
a
warrant
out.
A
So
I
don't
think
any
parent
or
any
person
should
ever
be
put
in
that
position,
and
so
my
questions
are
really
just
technical
and
more
out
of
curiosity
than
you
know
weighing
on
my
support
for
the
bill.
But
if
somebody
was
in
the
position
of
having
two
or
three
or
four
tickets
and
they
they
knew
about
them
under
the
new
system,
their
civil
penalties
they
want
to
resolve
them.
A
C
C
We
worked
really
closely
with
the
courts
to
try
to
get
to
a
position
where
we
gave
them
flexibility,
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
continue
to
have
prosecutors
still
like
presenting
and
prosecuting
the
cases
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
have
a
court.
A
judge,
a
municipal
court
judge
a
hearing
master
a
traffic
ticket
window
person.
Like
ms
mosley
had
said.
Most
people
are
not
going
before
a
judge.
They
are
going
before
a
traffic
like
a
clerk
at
the
window.
So
there's
still
that
kind
of
flexibility
that
is
still
exists
for
these
jurisdictions.
C
Again,
it
just
turns
it
in
from
a
criminal
citation
to
a
civil
citation.
As
far
as
those
people
that
are
repeat
offenders
again,
one
of
our
big
concerns
was
traffic
safety.
I
don't
think
criminalizing.
It
makes
us
any
less
safe.
Otherwise,
we
wouldn't
be
one
of
11,
how
many
states
13
states
that
have
not
decriminalized
traffic.
So
I
would
say
that
our
neighboring
states
that
have
decriminalized
all
you
know
the
other,
the
other.
C
C
You
know
within
the
like
court
system,.
A
So,
for
example,
they
might
do
what
the
city
of
las
vegas
I
heard
from
a
friend
does
because
this
friend
got
a
parking
ticket
and
when
this
friend
called
the
office
they
were
like
yeah.
We
can't
do
anything
over
the
phone,
but
if
you
come
down
to
the
window,
you
can
talk
to
a
clerk
and
then
that
friend
went
down
and
talked
to
the
clerk
and
they
were
like
yeah.
You
waited
too
long.
We're
not
gonna.
Give
you
a
break.
A
C
Went
for
the
record,
that's
actually
a
very
good
example
in
the
city
of
las
vegas,
because
their
parking
tickets
are
actually
civil
infractions
and
they
go
through
a
different
court
system.
Through
this
they
don't
go
through
a
court
system,
but
they
do
have
those
due
process
protections
and
they
are
done
through
the
city
of
las
vegas
and
not
within
the
city
of
las
vegas
municipal
court.
C
So
you
know
they've
done
this
in
other
areas
when
it
comes
to
traffic
tickets,
but
when
it
comes
to
you
know
a
speeding
ticket,
it
goes
into
that
criminal
world,
and
just
so
you
know
a
speeding
ticket.
You
know
one
to
ten
over
is
the
same
as
like
a
battery
domestic
violence.
First
offense
it
is
the
same
as
a
dui.
It
is
the
same
as
an
assault
or
a
battery,
or
you
know
a
petty
larceny.
So
all
of
those
things
carry
with
them
the
same
penalty
of
up
to
six
months
in
custody.
C
You
can
look
at
some
of
the
jurisdictions
in
clark
county
in
particular,
and
if
you
go
on
to
their
jail
like
you
know,
the
public
record,
it
will
say,
serve
or
pay.
So
we
know
exactly
how
many
people
are
serving
are
paying,
and
I
know
that
we
don't
have
a
debtor's
prison,
but
it
sure
does
appear
like
it
when
you
have
a
server
pay
like
listed
on
the
website.
So
you
know,
hopefully
this
bill
will
curb
that
ability
and
save
our
taxpayers
a
ton
of
money
and
perhaps
even
bring
in
money.
C
D
Lisa
mosley,
we
have
mentioned
speeding
tickets
as
an
example.
Quite
a
bit,
however,
in
clark
county
of
the
88
080,
I'm
sorry,
88
percent
of
warrants
that
were
issued.
58
of
those
warrants
were
for
administrative
issues.
They
had
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
driving.
They
were
issued
to
people
for
having
expired,
having
an
expired
registration,
not
having
proof
of
insurance
in
the
car
not
having
their
driver's
license
on
them.
Those
are
the
things
that
people
are
getting
tickets
for
that
are
going
into
warrant.
D
A
Thank
you.
I
I
think
that
is
very
informative
and
very
helpful
for
all
of
us
to
understand
the
scope
of
what
we're
talking
about
that
there
are,
you
know,
there's
a
large
group
of
people
who
are
getting
caught
in
this
net
because
they
are
struggling
financially
to
begin
with,
there's
another
smaller
group
who
are
stuck
in
this
net
because
they
got
one
speeding
ticket
and
then
there's
the
the
rest
of
the
net,
which
are
people
who
are
in
the
you
know
fortunate
position
to
be
able
to
pay
a
speeding
ticket
and
move
on.
A
I
understand
that
some
of
my
colleagues
have
some
questions.
I
just
have
one
more
question,
which
is
about
like
the
record.
Keeping
so
would
these
cita
or
like
would
these
existing
citations?
Existing
tickets
still
show
up
in
a
law
enforcement
database
or
just
in
the
courts
database?
A
C
Win
for
the
record,
like
I
had
said
during
my
presentation
like
the
like
a
lot
of
some
people,
know
some
people
in
this
committee
might
know.
If
you
get
a
traffic
ticket,
there's
like
points
that
are
appointed
to
the
dmv,
I'm
sure
senator
pickard
knows
part
of
the
reason
people
want
attorneys
like
us
to
come
in
and
handle
tickets.
Is
they
want
they're
like
I
don't
want
to
do
the
traffic
school?
I
don't
want
to
get
the
points.
C
I
don't
want
the
points
on
my
insurance
and
that's,
like
you
know
the
concern
for
people
under
this
bill
we're
still
able
to
maintain
that
point
system.
So
if
you
get
so
many
points,
the
dmv
can
still
suspend
your
driver's
license.
So,
despite
the
fact
that
this
is
now
a
civil
infraction,
you
can
still
lose
your
license
because
you're
a
terrible
driver,
you
know
police
officers
can
still
pull
you
over
because
you're
a
terrible
driver
and
you're
speeding
and
you're,
like
you
know,
causing
like
a
safety
issue.
C
They
can
even
still
pull
you
over
if
you
have
a
broken
taillight,
which
is
arguably
a
safety
issue,
concern
no
matter
what
the
reason
is
behind.
You
know
that
you
know
it
drives
me
crazy
when
people
don't
use
their
turn
signal,
you
know,
and
you
should
be
pulled
over
and
cited
civilly
for
failing
to
use
your
turn
signal
when
it
creates
a
safety
issue.
So
all
those
things
are
still
in
place,
and
so
there
is
still
that
protection
there
for
our
public
safety.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
the
question
that
arose
on
the
scent
senator
settlemyre.
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it,
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
some
of
the
other
areas,
but
I
know
up
in
reno
and
so
forth
and
down
in
vegas.
You
know
you
guys
have
meter
readers,
you
know
people
that
are
basically
reading
the
meters
and
things
that
nature
and
they're
always
limited
to
just
being
able
to
find
citational
type
offenses.
C
Rochelle
went
for
the
record,
I
don't
believe
so.
I
think
we
still
are
maintaining
them
as
like
civil
infractions,
so
I
don't
think
you
can
have
a
meter
reader
that
pulls
someone
over
for
speeding.
For
example,
that's
not
the
intent
of
this
bill.
The
intent
is
to
allow
you
know
our
peace
officers
to
be
able
to
still
you
know,
protect
the
public
safety
when
it
is
necessary
to
pull
people
over
for
traffic
violations
and
still
allow
them
to
be
able
to
complete
any
investigation
if
there
is
deemed
necessary
based
on
that
stop.
G
I
appreciate
that,
but
in
that
respect
I
wouldn't
mind
finding
out
just
out
of
curiosity.
If
we're
you
know,
media
readers
are
always
limited
to
just
giving
citations.
If
we're
going
to
make
everything
a
citation.
Doesn't
that
then,
by
definition,
allow
them
to
write
things
if
they
observe
them
and
want
to
go
ahead
and
give
that
person.
C
And
rochelle
went
for
the
record,
I
will
look
at
it,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
the
definition
is
of
who
can
in.
I
guess
impose
these
civil
infractions
and
again,
if
there's
someone
out
there
another
lifeline,
they
might
be
able
to
point
to
that
section.
I'm
sure
it
would
be.
I
see
mr
callaway
behind
me,
so
he
might
know
what
section
that's
in
and
that's
the
benefit
of
having
the
reflective
plexiglass.
As
I
see
who's
behind
me,
and
so
I
can
call
on
them
and
be
like.
C
I
know
who
has
the
answer
to
this
potentially
so
I
I
would
ask
anyone
out
there,
but
I
will
follow
up
with
you
senator
settlemyre.
If
I
can
find
that
section
before
the
end
of
this
presentation.
A
Now
that
we
are
in
person-
and
I
don't
have
a
cue
in
front
of
you-
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
many
people
I
have
so
I
will
try
to
get
through
everybody,
but
I'll
give
you
a
warning
if
it's,
if
it
looks
like
we're,
not
gonna,
be
able
to
do
that
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
So
we
will
start
with
people
in
person
to
give
support
testimony
on
ab116.
H
Hello
and
thank
you
chair-
this
is
nick
chipak
policy
and
program
associate
with
the
aclu.
We
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
bringing
forth
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
Once
again.
We
think
this
is
the
year
we
can
get
it
done.
The
criminalizations
of
traffic
tickets
is
a
major
issue
in
this
state,
an
issue
that
we
can
fix
this
session.
It's
a
racial
justice
issue
with
two-thirds
of
las
vegas
traffic
warrants
going
to
people
of
color.
H
It's
an
economic
justice
issue
with
those
who
are
the
least
have
the
least
amount
of
money
being
the
most
likely
to
be
issued
these
types
of
warrants.
It's
a
criminal
justice
issue
as
early
contact
with
the
criminal
justice
system
in
time
spent
in
jail,
is
a
major
indicator
of
future
contact
with
the
criminal
justice
system.
It's
a
public
safety
issue,
as
our
hard-working
law
enforcement
officers
are
spending
time
issuing
and
arresting
people
on
bench
warrants
for
very
minor
traffic
violations.
H
Their
children
are
removed,
even
if
they
get
them
back,
which
most
will
that's
a
very
traumatic
experience,
especially
for
a
young
child.
This
issue
has
a
wide
impact.
It
impacts
nevadans
across
the
board.
We
urge
you
to
pass
this
bill
in
its
current
form.
It
is
way
past
time,
as
we've
heard,
multiple
people
say-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
B
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
christine
saunders
and
I'm
the
policy
director
at
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
in
nevada
here
in
support
of
assembly
bill
116.
for
many
people
in
nevada.
The
first
step
into
the
criminal
justice
system
is
a
traffic
stop
and
because
nevada's
traffic
tickets
are
currently
criminal
violations,
something
is
seemingly
harmless.
The
broken
taillight
or
unpaid
parking
tickets
could
lead
to
arrest
incarceration
or,
as
you've
already
heard
this
session,
the
suspension
of
your
license.
B
B
On
their
next
credit
card
statement,
the
rest
would
resort
to
borrowing
debt
or
rating
their
retirement
savings
and
1
in
5,
say
they
would
be
entirely
unable
to
come
up
with
the
money
by
making
minor
traffic
violations
civil
infractions,
we
remove
the
overly
harsh
punitive
measures
and
prevent
the
physical,
emotional
and
economic
harm
that
being
incarcerated
can
have,
such
as
losing
employment
and
housing.
Instability.
B
H
Thank
you,
chair
scheible
members
of
the
assembly.
Excuse
me
senate
judiciary
committee.
My
name
is
jon
jones
here
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
district,
attorneys
association
and
we
are
in
support
of,
and
I
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
bringing
this
bill
and
working
with
us,
starting
in
the
interim
on
this
issue.
We've
had
several
conversations
about
this
bill
between
assemblywoman
wynn,
myself,
the
public
defenders
and
I
think,
we've
got
a
piece
of
legislation
before
you
that
will
truly
work
to
the
benefit
of
all
in
this
state.
H
In
the
discussions
that
the
legislature
has
had
over
the
last
few
years
about
criminal
justice
reform,
it
appears
that
we
have
ignored
the
most
obvious
candidate
for
reclassification,
that
being
our
traffic
system,
we
are
talking
about
low
level,
minor
traffic
offenses
like
speeding,
crossing
a
white
line
and
having
your
tail
light
out
as
it's
already
been
testified.
It
surprises
a
lot
of
people
to
learn
that
they're
committing
a
misdemeanor
offense
when
they
commit
one
of
these
infractions.
H
Now
there
are
several
traffic
offenses
dui,
reckless,
driving
hit
and
run
that
should
remain
criminal
and
they
do
in
ab116,
but
the
large
bulk
of
these
current
misdemeanor
crimes
can
be
reduced
to
civil
infractions,
with
little
to
no
impact
on
public
safety,
and
with
that
chair
schaible,
we
are
in
support
of
ab116.
Thank
you.
I
Hello,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
maria
teresa
lieberman
barraga
for
the
record,
and
I'm
here
representing
battleborn
progress
and
mostly
myself,
I
am
one
before
I
was
lucky
enough
to
have
a
good
job.
I
I
experienced
what
presenters
and
the
chair
talked
about.
I
got
to
see
my
mom.
A
couple
of
times
have
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
a
traffic
ticket
for
something
very
simple
and
the
reason
why
was
very
difficult
was
because
one
she
was
a
housekeeper
that
worked
two
housekeeping
jobs,
not
just
one
two
and
her
days
off
were
always
scattered,
and
sometimes
she
wouldn't
even
get
a
weekday
off
to
actually
be
able
to
deal
with
it
other
times.
I
It's
an
expensive
process,
each
form
for
citizenship
applications
can
cost
anywhere
from
90
to
500
to
600
dollars
each
and
I
had
to
have
conversations
as
a
preteen
and
as
a
teenager
with
my
mom,
because
she
was
a
single
mom
about
how
do
we
budget
so
that
we
can
make
sure
she's
she
gets
her
ticket
dealt
with
and
doesn't
get
criminalized
for
it,
and
how
do
we
also
become?
You
know,
citizens
and
stay
on
track
for
that,
because
that
has
its
own
deadlines
and
that
has
its
own
process.
J
J
I
wish
senator
picker
that
my
clients
found
that
it
was
as
easy
as
how
you've
explained
it,
and
I
can
just
say
that
from
being
here
during
this
legislative
session,
I've
had
several
members
of
this
body,
ask
me
or
staff
being
like.
I
got
a
traffic
ticket.
What
do
I
do?
How
do
I
resolve
this?
Where
do
I
go?
You
know,
and
so
unfortunately,
it's
not
as
easy
as
we'd
like
to
hope
and,
as
we
heard
from
even
just
attorneys,
it's
frustrating
process
for
attorneys
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
this
process.
J
So
we
do
believe
that
this
will
be
very
important
to
ensure
that
people
don't
have
to
make
that
choice
of.
Are
they
going
to
pay
their
traffic
ticket
or
feed
their
families?
For
that
week,
the
data
shows
that
the
effect
of
having
this
be
a
criminal
penalty
is
ineffective
and
rather
just
has
a
crippling
effect
on
our
community
members,
which
keeps
them
from
engaging
from
the
court.
Our
current
structure
creates
a
vic
vicious
cycle
of
crushing
debt
and
prolonged
involvement
with
the
legal
system,
and
I
urge
your
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
K
K
I
won't
add
too
much
more,
but
on
a
personal
level,
I
know
what
it
means
to
get
a
traffic
ticket
and
just
have
that
snowball
into
something
that
becomes
something
you
can't
seem
to
know
how
to
take
care
of,
and
so,
if
we
could
get
this
taken
care
of
so
other
folks,
don't
have
to
experience
that,
especially
those
who
are
living
paycheck
paycheck.
That
would
be
absolutely
great
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
A
A
L
L
M
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
amy
coo
a-m-y-k-o-o
and
I'm
the
deputy
political
director
of
one
api
in
nevada.
I
first
want
to
thank
assemblywoman,
rochelle
lynn,
for
presenting
av-116,
which
will
help
protect
nevada's
immigrant
communities
under
existing
law.
Nevada
treats
minor
traffic
violations
as
criminal
charges.
If
someone
gets
a
ticket
for
a
broken
taillight,
for
example,
they
have
to
pay
the
fines
or
a
judge
can
issue
a
warrant
for
their
arrest.
M
However,
we
know
that
many
who
are
impacted
by
the
fees
for
traffic
violations
are
from
the
poorest
zip
codes
in
nevada
and
the
payment
plan
for
traffic
sciences.
Proportionately
impacts,
communities
of
color
decriminalizing
minor
traffic
violations
will
ensure
that
we
protect
our
communities
and
make
nevada
safer
for
everyone.
Thank
you.
L
N
N
L
O
Hello,
my
name
is
jigada
chambers,
j-a-g-a-d-a
last
name
chamber
c-h-a-m-b-e-r-s,
I'm
89113
nevada
resident,
I'm
just
calling,
obviously
in
support
of
ab16
116..
I
think
it's
pivotal
in
the
decriminalization
of
being
poor.
That's
what
it
really
is
rooted
in
folks,
whether
you
feel
they're
choosing
to
evade
and
elude
police
for
previous,
like
fines
or
old
oftentimes.
It
really
just
boils
down
to
the
fiscal
status
of
a
person.
I
would
petition
this
brilliant
body
to
like
what
does
accountability
and
responsibility.
O
How
can
that
come
from
the
cage?
I
think
that's
one
thing
that
we
have
to
hopefully
elevate
our
our
thinking
to
to
understand
that
the
cage
is
not
going
to
relay
any
bit
of
responsibility
to
a
person
on
all
it
does
is
impact
families
and
cause
more
trauma.
So
if
we
were
to
get
accountability
for
folks
who
haven't
paid
or
make
sure
they
are
not
running
from
their
responsibility,
how
could
this
body
think
of
a
way
to
do
that
without
a
cage?
I
think
that's
the
next
step.
O
If
that
is
a
lengthy
measure
again,
I
want
to
salute
assembly
mom
and
win
for
bringing
the
legislative
forward
as
as
well
as
the
honorable
chair
for
your
joint
sponsorship.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
L
N
N
We
deeply
appreciate
the
hard
work
of
miss
mosley
and
assemblywoman
rochelle
nguyen
in
bringing
this
important
piece
of
legislation
to
the
forefront.
This
is
a
racial
justice
and
an
economic
justice
issue,
and
it
will
go
a
long
way
and
make
making
sure
that
the
community
members
that
we
work
alongside
and
organize
don't
ever
have
to
have
an
entry
point
into
the
criminal
justice
system.
We
urge
bipartisan
support
for
this
piece
of
legislation
and
appreciate
your
time.
L
E
E
Our
current
system,
which
allows
people
to
be
criminalized,
arrested
in
jail
because
they
cannot
pay
a
bill,
makes
our
state
unforgiving
to
people
whose
real
offense
is
simply
having
less
money
to
create
a
crime
to
authorize
a
person's
arrest.
Their
jailing
should
be
an
exceptional
choice
by
a
legislature.
E
E
E
I
am
not
sure
that
when
we
are
talking
about
taking
away
a
person's
liberty,
that
the
question
should
ever
be
about
monetary
cost,
but
if
we
must
criminalization
takes
away
a
parent
and
a
breadwinner,
it
turns
an
independent
family
into
one
that
is
helpless,
it's
dependent
on
the
state
and
on
other
people.
That
is
a
cost.
E
L
B
B
Many
folks
in
the
latino,
and
immigrant
community
are
often
put
at
great
risk
due
to
minor
traffic
tickets.
This
can
lead
to
them
losing
their
jobs,
their
homes,
and
we
have
even
seen
cases
that
lead
to
deportation
proceedings
in
the
past
year.
We
have
helped
folks
that
are
eligible
permanent
residents
and
have
become
afraid
to
complete
their
citizenship
applications
due
to
minor
traffic
tickets,
because
they
will
have
to
pay
them
off
on
top
of
their
725
dollar
fee.
B
L
M
Hello,
my
name
is
erica
minneberry,
that's
e-r-I-k-a-m-I-n-a-b-e-r-r-y
and
I
am
support
of
ab-116.
I
would
actually
be
testifying
in
person,
but
my
license
is
currently
suspended
for
a
speeding
ticket.
I
got
on
march
16
2020
the
day
before
the
entire
state
closed
down
the
courts
were
closed.
At
the
time
my
hearing
was
scheduled.
I
am
poor.
I
know
nicole
cannizzaro
has
claimed
to
grow
up
in
a
low-income
household,
so
she
should
understand
more
than
anyone
that
we
don't
have
extra
money
to
pay
fines.
We
don't
have
access
to
credit.
M
We
have
to
choose
between
keeping
our
life
on
or
our
children
fed
or
to
pay
a
fine.
I
know
all
the
parents
on
this
committee
would
always
ensure
the
well-being
of
their
children
first,
just
as
cannazar's
mom
did
with
her.
Meanwhile,
my
entire
life
has
been
completely
hindered
because
I
went
five
miles
over
the
speed
limit.
Much
as
many
of
you
did
on
your
way
to
work
this
morning,
like
many
other
poor
people,
I
don't
have
consistent
internet
access.
I
don't
have
a
computer
like
many
poor
people.
M
I've
moved
several
times
in
the
last
year
due
to
the
housing
crisis,
which
is
another
issue
that
has
not
been
addressed,
and
I
just
don't
understand
how
melanie
scheible
can
brag
about
feeding
volunteering
to
feed
the
poor
on
her
website,
while
at
the
same
time
criminalizing
being
poor.
I
don't
know
if
the
members
of
this
committee
are
too
scared
of
their
corporate
overlords
for
when
they
are
not
in
this
session.
M
But
while
we
are
in
session
you're
supposed
to
be
working
for
us,
and
none
of
you
have
done
anything
for
the
people
that
are
struggling
the
most
in
the
in
this
state
and
for
the
democrats
in
the
committee
you're
expecting
our
votes
in
18
months.
The
only
reason
why
we've
been
keeping
nevada
blue
is
because
we
have
been
voting
for
the
letter
of
two
evils,
hoping
that
you
would
do
something
for
us.
L
N
When
you
don't
have
it,
you
don't
have
it
when
you're
poor,
when
you're
broke,
taking
care
of
bills
and
debt
becomes
exponentially
harder
to
do,
and
personally
I'm
paying
rent
and
putting
gas
in
the
car.
Before
anything
else,
though,
I've
never
had
a
traffic
ticket
in
the
state
of
nevada.
I
have
been
arrested
on
a
misdemeanor
bench
warrant
and
thankfully
I
was
able
to
bail
out
after
12
hours,
but
the
time
in
ccdc
did
not
help
me
and
I'm
glad
it
didn't
cause
any
more
collateral.
L
P
P
I
wanted
to
highlight
and
echo
some
of
the
stories
we've
heard
this
morning
by
talking
about
two
of
my
clients
who
I
met
at
a
warrant
clearing
clinic
back
in
2018
at
the
doolittle
community
center.
The
first
woman
was
a
mother
who
was
in
her
late
20s
and
had
gotten
a
600
ticket
that
she,
when
she
was
18
years
old,
that
she
had
never
paid
because
she
was
afraid
to
pay
it
as
she
entered
the
building
that
morning
with
her
children
in
tow.
P
They
asked
her
if
mommy
would
be
arrested
and
taken
to
jail
that
morning,
so
it
just
showed
how
the
ticket
was
more
than
just
an
unpaid
debt.
It
was
a
source
of
fear
for
the
whole
family
and
when
the
ticket
and
the
warrant
were
cleared,
the
mother
just
burst
into
tears
because
the
cloud
had
been
lifted
in
her
life.
P
Another
client
was
a
grandmother
who
had
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
in
fines
and
fees.
Just
from
a
couple
of
tickets
that
had
spiraled-
and
she
had
already
gone
to
joe
once
and
could
not
go
again
because
she
had
to
care
for
her
disabled
grandson
so
that
her
daughter
could
go
to
work
and
she
couldn't
afford
the
50
payment
plan,
which
is
the
only
option
that
had
been
given
to
her
by
the
court.
P
So
we
eventually
helped
her
negotiate
a
path
forward
where
she
could
spend
her
money
on
actually
reinstating
her
driver's
license
and
eventually
she
put
the
whole
saga
behind
her,
but
had
taken
more
than
five
years
without
counsel.
These
people
are
really
kind
of
helpless
in
front
of
the
court
and
they
don't
have
all
the
options
that
are
available
to
people
with
counsel.
P
Our
clients
fall
into
a
cycle
of
debt
with
one
or
two
tickets,
and
then
they
can't
recover
and
it
takes
them
years
so
we're
strongly
in
favor
of
decriminalizing
traffic
offenses.
It
would
lift
a
burden,
a
burden
of
that's
psychological,
that's
financial!
That's
generational!
P
On
these
communities
who
are
hardest
hit,
and
it's
also
fair,
just
efficient
and
humane,
and
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
I
thank
you
for
the
broad
support
that
I've
heard
and
or
hope
that
this
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
L
M
I
would
first
like
to
thank
lisa,
mosley
and
assemblywoman
wynn
for
helping
to
present
this
bill
again
today,
I'd
like
to
address
somebody
miss
pickard,
who
asked
the
same
question
that
he
asked
me
the
first
time
that
we
presented
this
bill.
M
I
had
about
four
or
five
different
traffic
tickets
throughout
the
last
five
years
and
I
was
never
able
to
see
a
judge.
M
Even
when
I
asked
I
was
told
at
the
window
that
I
couldn't,
I
was
afraid
to
go
to
the
window,
because
I
was
told
that
if
I
went
to
the
window
I
would
be
arrested
if
I
didn't
pay
off
the
entire
fine.
I
also
heard
somebody
say
that
there's
a
minimum
like
ten
dollars
a
month
for
a
payment,
and
I've
never
heard
of
that.
So
if
anybody
is
the
plug
on
this
call,
please
hit
me
up
because
ten
dollars
a
month
would
be
very
helpful
to
pay
off
these
traffic
tickets.
M
In
december
I
was
able
to
pay
off
all
of
my
traffic
tickets
thanks
to
vegas
freedom
fund,
and
even
though
I
paid
them
a
week
later,
I
was
stopped
by
a
police
officer
who
just
scanned
my
place.
I
did
absolutely
nothing
all
he
did
was
scan
my
place
and
he
said
that
they
were
suspended
and
he
took
my
plate
the
next
day
the
dmv
fixed
it
because
they
saw
that
it
was
a
mistake
on
their
part
where
there
was
no
communication.
M
I
think
it's
extremely.
It's
extremely
absurd
that
the
courts
will
talk.
The
court
and
the
dmv
will
talk
to
each
other
when
somebody
is
automatically
put
into
warrant,
but
they
won't
talk
to
each
other
when
they
paid
off
a
fine,
and
so
I
ended
up
not
only
having
to
pay
another
traffic
ticket
for
driving
without
a
driver's
license,
but
also
have
to
go
in
again
and
go
through
the
entire
process
of
having
to
get
my
my
driver's
license
and
my
drive
not
my
license.
M
My
license
plate
and
I'm
still
in
the
process
of
getting
my
driver's
license,
and
this
has
been
five
years
now
in
the
running.
I
have
gone.
M
And
I'm
finishing,
I'm
finishing
yep
I've
gone
to
warren
cashion
clinics.
I've
gone
through
the
window,
I've
gone
to
lawyers,
I've
gone
to
nonprofits.
I've
tried
to
do
it
myself.
It
is
almost
next
to
impossible
to
pay
off
traffic
tickets.
Thank
you.
L
L
F
Hi,
my
name
is
hanisha
freedom,
p
for
transform
e
for
energy
and
for
noble
I
for
impeccable
s
for
strength,
h
for
honest,
a
for
abundance,
freedom
for
free
of
all,
let
the
people
sort
them
out.
I'm
a
grassroot
organizers
in
the
las
vegas
community
and
founder
of
organize
the
state
out
coalition
after
30
years
of
driving.
I
feel
that
I'm
a
professional
driver
and
a
lot
of
people
on
our
roads
are.
We
should
be
able
to
travel
in
safe,
sunlight
conditions.
F
You
know
a
few
miles
over
the
speed
limit
without
being
targeted,
profiled
and
harassed
by
local
police,
which
is
absolutely
what
happens
in
black
and
brown
communities
constantly
and
then
further.
We
get
entrapped
in
financial
hardship
being
poor
people,
and
in
this
you
know
financial
raping
really
of
our
community,
so
we
need
to
stop
making
poverty
a
crime,
as
others
have
testified
on
this
call.
F
We're
scared
literally
scared
to
walk
into
these
courtrooms
to
address
even
some
of
these
fines
at
times
when
they
get
out
of
hand.
When
we
know,
there's
been
extra
fees-
and
we
know
there's
been
a
warrant
issued
we're
fearful
and
scared
when
we
get
pulled
over
during
these
traffic
stops.
Stop
for
you
know
non-violent,
non-community
safety
issue
violations
that
we're
actually
scared,
and
it's
disgusting
that
this
has
become
the
face
of
you-
know
so-called
justice
and
liberty
within
the
state
within
the
city
and
across
this
country.
F
The
police
should
absolutely
stop
pursuing
minor
traffic
tickets
and
minor
traffic
contractions
and
pool
all
together.
We
also
supported
decriminalizing,
of
course,
with
this
bill
decriminalizing
traffic.
In
regard
to
this
bill,
I've
entered
you
know
the
court
cash
machine
before
also
known
as
traffic
court,
and
the
concern
is
not
safety.
The
concern
is
money
within
an
hour.
100
plus
people
are
rapidly
pushed
through
a
pre-process
for
it's
usually
drop
down
charge
and
it's
negotiated
to
a
dollar
amount.
So
it's
just
a
change
to
change
the
team.
F
L
M
From
january
to
september
of
2018,
there
were
138
instances
in
henderson
and
in
las
vegas
jail
where
ice
holds
were
put
on
someone
whose
most
serious
charges
were
traffic
violations.
Some
of
them
had
broken
bicycle
lights,
while
others
were
charged
with
jaywalking.
Your
support
for
ab116
would
ensure
that
families
are
not
torn
apart
because
of
a
traffic
violation,
and
that
we
also
stop
take
a
step
towards
ending
the
criminalization
of
poverty.
We
urge
you
to
support
ab116.
L
F
L
L
L
E
Hi,
yes,
my
name
is
matthew:
wilkie,
m-a-t-t,
h-e-w
w-I-l-k-I-e.
I
live
in
assembly
district
40..
I
do
want
to
echo
all
the
callers
before
me.
We
need
to
stop
prosecuting
and
persecuting
being
poor.
You
cannot
get
blood
from
iraq.
I
do
want
to
thank
erica
and
for
her
testimony,
and
I
do
also
want
to
add
that
when
you
start
a
committee
meeting
hours
and
hours
late,
it
kind
of
prohibits
people
who
work
during
the
week
to
jump
on
and
and
make
testimony.
E
L
L
B
Hi,
my
name
is
emily
driscoll
e-m-I-l-y,
the
r-I-s-c-o-l-l
constituent
of
chris,
brooks
I'm
only
in
support
of
8116.
B
And
I
am
a
rising
third
year
law
student
at
boyd
and
my
short
experience
in
the
legal
profession
has
been
pretty
world
chattering
and
that
it
put
me
in
proximity
to
put
me
in
a
better
understanding
to
be
to
understand
how
how
we
treat
people
in
this
state-
and
it
is
so
wrong
that
someone
would
have
to
spend
jail,
spend
time
in
jail
because
they
can't
pay
the
traffic
ticket.
B
And
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
pass
ab1
8116,
it
would
really
show
our
humanity
and
empathy
for
poor
people
beyond.
You
know
the
burden
that
it
places
on
our
courts
and
on
our
taxpayers
to
house
people
in
in
jail
for
minor
interactions
that
realistically
hurt
no
one.
L
N
A-U-S-T-I-N-I-I-I
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee,
senator
candace,
all
my
wife
and
boys
were
actually
in
one
of
your
campaign.
Pictures
dallas
harris,
senator
hellers
harris
my
friend
and
just
so
y'all
know
I
really
am
bipartisan.
It's
got
him
and
my
friend
as
well.
N
I
want
to
talk
to
you
not
about,
and
I
represent,
faith
in
action
nevada,
and
I
want
to
talk
to
you
not
about
folks
that
got
organized
because
we
already
had
one
of
our
other
colleagues
ben
chalinnar
to
talk
about
our
organizational
stance.
But
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
my
personal
stake
in
the
ground
here
right
before
I
went
to
college
that
summer
before
I
got
a
silly
traffic
ticket
and
because
I
was
in
school
simply
forgot
to
take
care
of
it
fast
forward
about
seven
or
eight
years
down
the
road.
N
My
wife
was
driving,
we
were
pulled
over
and
the
officer
took
me
out
of
the
car,
even
though
he
had
told
my
wife,
everything
was
fine.
Another
officer
came
and
asked
me
for
my
driver's
license.
I
said
I'm
not
driving.
Why
do
you
need
my
license?
He
said
I
don't
know
who
you
are
after
he
interrogated
me
eventually
found
out.
I
had
a
warrant
which
I
told
him
when
he
asked
put
me
in
the
back
of
his
car
and
then
as
he
drove
away,
he
called
his
girlfriend
to
say-
and
I
quote:
hey
babe.
N
There
are
so
many
other
things
that
could
have
been
done
with
my
tax
dollars
as
someone
excitedly
reported
to
their
girlfriend
about
arresting
someone
over
an
old
traffic
ticket,
because
I
was
too
broke
to
pay
it
fast
forward.
A
few
years
down
the
road
and
I'll
talk
to
you
about
the
fact
that
I
sent
a
group
text
message
to
my
family
with
tears
in
my
eyes,
because
I
had
reached
a
point
in
my
professional
career,
where
I
could
pay
off
all
of
the
traffic
tickets
that
I
had
occurred
over
the
years.
N
This
is
a
racial
justice
issue.
We
know
that
people
of
color
are
more
likely
to
be
pulled
over
by
the
police
and
as
much
as
we
need
to
decriminalize.
We
also
need
to
have
a
firm
conversation
about
the
monies
that
have
been
extorted
from
communities
of
color
because
of
these
actions.
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
pray
that
you
all
have
a
heart
to
support
this
deal.
A
L
E
Somehow
I
got
skipped
on
the
last
bill,
so
I'm
going
to
use
this
time
to
say
that
I'm
in
support
of
that
bill.
For
many
reasons,
traffic
tickets
do
not
belong
in
criminal
courts.
For
example,
if
we
were
to
have
been
as
late
as
y'all
were
for
this
meeting,
we
would
get
a
warrant
over
a
petty
traffic
infraction
so
that,
first
of
all,
another
reason
is
what
happened
to
me
as
somebody
personally
impacted
by
how
broken
this
system
is.
I
got
a
speeding
ticket
for
going
five
over
the
speed
limit.
E
E
Traffic
citations
do
not
belong
in
criminal
court.
People
are
suffering
every
day
and
it's
costing
even
more
money
than
just
the
fines
you're
trying
to
extort
out
of
people.
So
if
I
also
believe
that
if
the
money
stays
out
of
the
criminal
court,
then
maybe
it'll
deter
road
pirates
from
trying
to
extort
further
funds
from
the
community.
Thank
you.
L
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
so
again
we
have
heard
everybody
who
wanted
to
speak
in
opposition,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
neutral
testimony
on
ab116.
Anybody
in
the
I
see
a
couple
people
in
the
room
to
give
neutral
testimony.
We'll
start
with
you.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
chuck
callaway
for
the
record
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
We
are
neutral
on
the
bill,
we're
not
opposed
to
traffic
infractions
being
civil
in
nature.
We
understand
that,
especially
after
ab
236
last
session,
that
the
idea
that
someone
could
steal
twelve
hundred
dollars
worth
of
property-
and
that
would
be
the
same
offense
as
rolling
through
a
stop
sign-
does
bring
to
light
the
the
the
question
of
whether
or
not
these
should
be
civil
versus
criminal.
Q
Our
concern
with
the
original
bill
lied
in
the
fact
that
we
want
to
ensure
that
officers
in
the
field
operate
the
same
that
we
have
the
ability
to
conduct
traffic
stops
that
we
have
the
ability
to
impact
bad
driving
this
year
today,
we've
had
50
fatalities
on
our
roadway
compared
to
39
at
the
same
time
last
year,
and
it
is
important
to
be
able
to
curve
behavior
on
our
road
to
ensure
that
our
roads
are
safe
for
everyone.
Q
If
the
court
chooses
to
treat
these
offenses
as
civil
we're,
not
in
opposition
to
that,
the
way
the
bill
has
been
drafted
since
coming
out
of
the
assembly
provides
us
a
much
higher
level
of
comfort
with
the
language.
We
appreciate
assemblywoman
wynn
working
with
us
on
that.
I
looked
into
briefly
the
question
that
was
raised
about
enforcement
and
nrs
289
outlines
the
categories
of
officers
and
what
their
duties
are
for
category
1
category
two
and
category
three
and
nrs484a
outlines
the
issuance
of
citations.
Q
This
bill
actually
amends
nrs484a
and
then,
in
talking
with
assemblywoman
wynn
prior
to
testifying,
we
had
discussed
how
local
ordnance,
we
believe,
give
the
meter
readers,
the
ability
or
civilians,
in
some
cases,
the
ability
to
issue
a
parking
citation
such
as
a
parking
in
a
handicapped
zone,
and
so
I
believe
that
local
ordnance
would
be
able
to
to
provide
that
that
ability
for
parking,
citations
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
M
As
proposed
to
me
amended
the
amendments
that
we
see
make
the
bill
better
for
us
and
actually
help
reduce
our
fiscal
note
as
well.
We
also
do
support
the
public
policy
of
making
most
traffic
violations
a
civil
infraction.
The
county,
however,
will
lose
some
revenue
from
canceling.
The
outstanding
bench
warrants
issued
for
a
traffic
citation
before
january,
1st
2023.
M
That
said,
we
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
working
with
us
these
past
few
months,
listening
to
our
concerns
addressing
them
and
keeping
the
conversation
going
on
this
important
issue.
We
appreciate
your
effort
to
some
of
the
newer
stakeholder
groups
and
getting
us
to
this
point.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
afternoon,.
K
Good
afternoon
cherish
eibald
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
dagny,
stapleton
executive,
director
of
naco,
the
nevada
association
of
counties.
We
are
neutral
on
the
bill.
We
want
to
thank
the
assembly
woman
for
working
with
us.
We
were
previously
opposed,
but
not
based
on
the
policy
changes
in
this
bill,
but
only
based
on
the
fiscal
impact.
With
the
amendments,
the
fiscal
impact
has
been
significantly
reduced.
K
There
are
some
outstanding
fiscal
impacts,
but
again
we
are
now
neutral
on
the
bill.
We
want
to
thank
the
assembly
woman
for
accepting
our
amendments
and
we
know
how
hard
she
worked
and
how
many
stakeholders
she
worked
with,
including
us,
and
we
wanted
to
express
our
appreciation
for
that.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
warren
hardy
today
representing
the
urban
consortium,
which
is
made
up
of
the
cities
of
las
vegas,
henderson,
reno
and
sparks.
We
are
too
as
well
neutral
on
the
bill.
I
would
just
associate
myself
with
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
my
colleagues
from
local
government
and
appreciate
express
our
appreciation
for
for
her
the
time
she
spent
talking
with
us.
You
know,
anytime,
we
do
policies
like
this.
R
We
drop
a
pebble
in
a
in
a
policy
pond
that
ripples
out
and
one
of
those
ripples
is
the
need
to
implement
the
policies
that
this
legislature
passes
and
we've
had
several
of
those.
This
session.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee-
and
we
just
asked
the
committee
to
be
mindful,
as
we
move
forward
to
not
pass
this
policy
and
then
forget
about
the
implementation
and
the
expense
that's
associated
with
it.
R
We've
been
very
careful
at
the
er
as
members
of
the
irving
consortium
to
make
sure
that
our
fiscal
note
is
not
overblown
but
is
given
with
the
with
the
best
most
accurate
information
we
have
available,
and
this,
along
with
every
other
bills,
are
going
to
have
implementation
expenses.
R
We
we
don't
have
any
objection
to
the
policies
that's
being
presented
here,
but
ask
this
legislature
to
to
look
at
this
as
we
go
forward
as
we
as
we
implement
these
policies
at
the
local
level,
and
I
know
we're
continuing
to
work
with
the
sponsor
on
a
conceptual
amendment,
to
allow
us
to
collect
the
current
outstanding
amounts
that
mr
ortiz
spoke
to,
and
we
would
certainly
appreciate
that.
But
as
it
stands
today
we're
in
neutral
and
appreciate
very
much
the
sponsors
willingness
and
the
countless.
P
L
L
E
I
did
point
out
that,
where
the
amendment
refers
to
badge
number
of
the
peace
officer
that
sometimes
that's
not
as
accurate
as
a
personnel
number,
because
badges
sometimes
change
for
various
reasons,
promotion
promotions
and
such
so
any
accommodation
there
for
an
identifying
number
or
whatever
would
work
out.
It's
the
pleasure
of
the
committee,
I
guess
so
we're
neutral
on
the
bill.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
L
S
S
As
the
court
administrator,
I'm
duty
bound
to
report
the
following.
There
will
be
costs
to
implement
due
to
reconfiguration
of
existing
case
management
systems,
and
it
will
take
time
to
accomplish
this
as
well.
Municipal
courts
typically
do
little
to
no
civil
processes,
so
the
courts
will
have
to
design
and
implement
entirely
new
procedures
and
processes.
S
These
operations
will
be
at
higher
volumes
and
will
evolve
substantially
more
than
parking
ticket
collections.
We
like
the
arizona
model
and
the
ability
to
suspend
a
driver's
license
is
critical
to
that
model
and
to
us.
I
know
this
bill
allows
for
the
suspension
of
driver's
licenses,
but
there
are
other
stand-alone
bills
still
active.
That
will
prohibit
the
courts
from
suspending
driver's
licenses.
S
We
hope
that
the
legislature
appreciates
how
the
overall
legislative
picture
is
impacting
the
various
court
systems.
We
too
would
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
wen
for
working
with
the
courts
so
effortlessly
on
on
this
legislation,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
all
of
her
efforts
and
hearing
us
and
implementing
some
of
our
recommended
changes.
S
A
C
If
I
could
also
I'm
sorry
roshawn
for
the
record,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
There
were
a
couple
of
things
that
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
kind
of
came
in
kind
of
last
minute
that
I
would
like
to
incorporate
in
any
potential
work
session
document
as
a
part
of
some
additional
amendments
that
came
forward
pursuant
to
nrs
484
b
.467.
C
This
was
unintentionally
left
out
of
the
civil
infraction.
This
is
parking
in
a
handicap
zone,
so
I
would
like
to
propose
an
additional
amendment
that
also
makes
that
a
civil.
Infraction
again,
I
would
concur
with
what
we
had
contacted
legal
counsel
from
mr
anthony
with
regards
to
senator
settlemyre's
question
about
that,
and
what
mr
callaway
had
represented
is
correct.
C
C
C
C
We
will
work
on
language
to
amend
that
if
the
mailing
address
is
different
from
the
residence
address,
both
addresses
must
be
listed
and
we
will
work
on
the
wording
of
that.
I
know
that
that
was
something
that
they
brought
to
our
attention
and
we
are
amenable
to
that
amendment
as
well.
I
would
just
point
out:
I
know
that
there
were
a
lot
of
people
that
talked
about
the
misdemeanors.
C
We
heard
testimony
in
2019
when
this
bill
was
heard,
then
from
a
string
of
medical
students
and
people
trying
to
go
into
the
medical
profession
and
I'm
sure
that
the
lawyers
on
this
committee
that
applied
for
the
bar
exam
knew
that
they
also
had
to
list
on
their
applications
all
criminal
misdemeanors
that
they
had
and
that
did
include
traffic
tickets.
I
will
say
I
had
to
put
one
on
myself
so
to
put
that
on
there,
and
I
know
that
that
has
also
been
an
impediment.
C
It
was
something
that,
in
the
2019
session,
we
heard
quite
a
bit
of
testimony
from
those
individuals
we're
always
trying
to
get
professionals
in
here,
medical
professionals
in
particular,
and
this
would
also
eliminate
that
further
hump
that
is
causing
people
not
to
get
occupational
licensing,
not
you
know,
get
into
past,
like
life
bar
licenses
and
just
is
another
hurdle
that
people
would
have
to
overcome
and
implementing
116
would
be
a
step
in
a
right
direction
for
our
policy.
C
Oh,
in
addition
to
the
amendment
I
did
get
a
text
message
from
senator
hammond
that
he
would
like
to
be
amended
on
as
a
sponsor,
and
since
I
am
also
making
those
other
amendments,
if
there
are
other
individuals
that
would
like
to
be,
I
see
senator
harrison,
senator
ornshall
that
would
like,
and
I
see
senator
pickard.
That
would
also
like
to
be
added
as
co-sponsors
and
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
if
there's
any
others
please
let
me
know.
Thank
you.
D
Lisa
mosley-
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
assemblywoman
nguyen
for
working
with
the
fines
and
fees
justice
center
so
closely
as
well
as
other
folks
and
bringing
this
legislation
back
again
and
I
believe
to
finally
get
it
passed.
I
want
to
thank
you,
mayor,
chair
shibal
and
members
of
this
committee
for
listening
to
all
of
us
and
taking
into
consideration
the
testimony
that
we've
offered
here
and
I
want
to
shout
out
scott
hammons
senator
hamm
is
my
senator,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you.
D
D
A
Thank
you
so
much
both
of
you
for
your
presentation
and
to
our
other
presenter,
whose
name
I've
forgotten,
miss
ferris.
Thank
you
and
everybody
who
came
in
to
testify
and
join
this
conversation.
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
ab116.
A
T
T
I
have
been
working
with
assemblywoman
bilbray
axelrod,
primarily
on
this
bill,
but
she
is
not
able
to
join
us,
so
I
will
just
run
through
it
quickly
if
that's
okay,
this
is
a
bill
coming
from
our
domestic
violence,
attorneys
that
I
represent
and
work
with,
and
these
are
two
fairly
well
vetted
concepts
in
the
domestic
violence,
legal
community
that
have
not
raised
any
opposition
or
concerns
thus
far,
and
so
to
give
you
a
very
quick
lay
of
the
land
section.
T
One
add
some
venue
to
where
a
victim
of
domestic
violence
may
apply
for
a
protection
order.
Our
statutes
were
silent
on
it
before
so.
This
will
bring
some
statewide
consistency
and
what
we
see
oftentimes
is
someone
will
have
a
situation
where
the
abuse
may
have
occurred
out
of
state
and
they
are
sheltering
in
las
vegas,
for
example,
and
the
court
may
believe
that
it
needs
to
have
occurred
here,
but
it's
kind
of
a
moving
target,
depending
on
which
judge
you
get
or
which
court
or
which
community
you're
applying
in
so
this
will
close
the
loop.
T
I
did
on
nellis
attach
a
chart
that
showed
that
31
states
had
this
venue
as
of
2009,
which
is
very
outdated,
so
I
can
assume
there
may
be
more
sense,
but
this
is
a
fairly
standard
practice
to
apply
in
this
area
and
then
the
other
piece
is
adding
that
if
the
applicant
reasonably
believes
disclosing
her
his
or
her
address
and
contact
information
in
the
application
would
jeopardize
his
or
her
safety.
This
is
codifying
our
confidentiality
standards
for
our
tpo
process.
T
So
there
is
a
statewide
form
for
a
domestic
violence
protection
order
and
that
form
does
allow
for
this
language,
but
we
felt
it
was
a
better
practice
to
have
statutory
authority
for
that
practice,
because
sometimes,
when
the
bench
changes
or
when
things
change,
we
rehash
the
conversation
of.
Is
there
a
perfect
way
to
do
this
and
we
end
back
up
on
this
practice.
So
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
G
Hey
madam
chair,
and
and
thank
you
for
addressing
this,
I
agree
having
handled
handled
a
number
of
I
mean.
Probably
30
percent
of
my
practices
is
dealing
with
victims,
not
all
victims,
but
sometimes
the
adverse
party,
and
it's
always
within
the
context
of
a
custody
case,
or
at
least
a
divorce
case.
But
it's
regarding
the
custody
issues
that
I'm
most
concerned
when
I'm
looking
at
section
1
sub
2,
where
we're
allowing
someone
to
file
where
they
have
fled
to.
G
I
certainly
see
the
benefit
for
that
right,
but
the
inconvenient
truth,
to
borrow
a
phrase,
is
that
there's
a
good
proportion,
though
small,
that
is,
that
they
use
tpos
or
allegations
of
domestic
violence
in
order
to
gain
an
advantage
in
the
custody
case,
and
I
just
just
finished
right
before
session-
a
trial
where,
in
this
case,
dad
had
gone
to
missouri
and
filed
a
tpo
action
there,
and
it
resulted
in
depriving
mom
of
who
I
represented,
of
contact
with
the
child
for
nine
months,
only
to
find
out
that
it
never
happened.
G
In
fact,
there
was
evidence
showing
that
it
he
wasn't
even
in
the
state
at
the
time
he
alleged
the
the
violence
had
occurred,
so
I'm
really
concerned
and
because
it
was
in
a
state
other
than
where
she
resided
it
made
it
extremely
expensive
and
difficult
for
her
to
defend.
G
How
do
we,
and
because
the
this
is
silent
as
to
what
the
standards
are
for
the
court
to
consider
when
allowing
a
applicant
to
file
in
a
jurisdiction
other
than
the
jurisdiction
in
which
it
occurred,
and
given
the
due
process
concerns
that
we
have
being
able
to
confront
the
evidence
and
the
witnesses
and
that
sort
of
thing?
G
How
do
we
square
this
with
the
the
adverse
parties
due
process
rights,
and
how
do
we
avoid
this
being
used
as
a
mechanism,
particularly
in
in
custody
cases
where
it
will
provide
a
significant
litigation
advantage
to
the
applicant?
T
Billy
bortolin
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question
I
think
also
practicing
in
this
area.
It's
a
it's
a
hard
one,
where
there's
no
perfect
answers,
because
it's
often
he
said
she
said
because
the
law
is
currently
silent.
On
this
I
will
say
it
is
my
good
faith,
belief
that
most
courts
are
already
allowing
this
in
nevada,
but
there
is
not
statewide
uniformity
on
the
issue,
so
it's
you're
kind
of
gambling
if
it's
worthwhile
to
pursue
because
the
law
is
silent
on
it.
T
So
I
believe
that
there
is
value
in
adding
this
and
that
that
value
outweighs
the
risk,
because
if
the
person
didn't
have
the
evidence,
the
court
doesn't
have
to
grant
the
tpo.
The
court
still
has
to
look
at
it
in
any
other
situation.
And
importantly,
it's
not
the
custody
case.
It's
this
situation,
but
especially
this
year,
we've
seen
dmv
delays
right.
G
So
there
are
certainly
courts
that
will
handle
this
differently,
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
do
also
appreciate
that
this
is
permissive
language
and
they
will
still,
they
will
still
have
the
ability
to
decline,
to
issue
the
protective
order
if
they
don't
think
that
there's
sufficient
evidence.
But
this
is,
I
mean,
it's
satisfaction
of
the
court.
G
Once
we
leave
the
legislative
building
and
we
go
back
to
the
judges-
and
I'm
sure
you
hear
this
too-
the
judges
will
ask:
why
didn't
you
give
us
guidance
now?
It's
you
know
up
in
the
air.
Now
we
leave
it
for
the
courts
to
decide,
but
I
think
you
put
on
the
record
really
what
I
was
aiming
at,
which
is
it's
permissive.
G
The
court
still
has
to
look
at
the
evidence.
They
still
have
to
go
through
the
analysis
and
then
decide.
So
I
think
I'm
satisfied.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
on
the
record
what
the
intent
is
and
that
the
courts
do
still
need
to
look
at
the
evidence,
make
sure
that
they're
sufficient
evidence,
and
particularly
within
the
custody
issues
that
the
court
will
also
be
looking
at
things
like
what
are
the
motivations
that
the
applicant
may
have
outside
of
actual
protection
order.
Those
are
all
important
things
to
consider.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
don't
see
any
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation,
we'll
move
on
to
testimony
and
support
of
ab404.
I
see
somebody
here
in
the
room
to
give
testimony
and
you
may
go.
I
First,
thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
tess
opperman
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby,
we
are
in
full
support
of
ab404,
which
helps
give
clarity
and
nrs
for
where
a
person
is
able
to
apply
for
a
temporary
protective
order.
This
is
critical
for
victim
survivors
of
domestic
violence,
who
may
have
fled
their
abuser
for
safety
and
may
be
staying
at
an
address
outside
of
the
county
or
state
in
which
they
reside.
I
A
L
L
F
F
Excuse
me,
safety
concerns
addressed
in
this
bill
and
we're
so
grateful
for
assembly,
women,
billbray,
axelrod
and
bailey
for
bringing
this
important
bill
forward.
F
Victim
survivors
seek
safety
and
refuge
in
a
new
county
or
a
new
state,
and
this
important
piece
of
legislation
would
make
sure
that
all
victim
survivors
can
seek
safety
anywhere
in
nevada,
regardless
of
where
their
abuse
took
place.
Again,
I
want
to
reiterate
that
this
bill
will
create
a
long,
overdue
and
necessary
changes
to
protect
victim
survivors,
and
we
encourage
your
support
with
ab404.
A
L
A
L
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much.
That
concludes
the
testimony.
Unless
the
sponsor
has
anything
further
to
say.
That
concludes
the
hearing.
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
ab404.
We
will
not
be
work
sessioning
these
bills
today,
as
we
have
another
meeting
coming
up
tomorrow,
which
you
will
notice,
the
agenda
has
been
posted.
A
It
will
not
necessarily
begin
at
pm,
but
upon
adjournment
of
the
floor,
so
I
appreciate
everybody's
staff
and
everybody
keeping
in
touch
to
make
sure
that
we
all
get
here
at
the
same
time
whenever
that
time
is,
and
with
that
for
today
we
are
adjourned.
Oh
no,
we're
not!
We
have
to
make
public
comment.