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A
Good
afternoon,
the
senate
committee
on
natural
resources
will
now
come
to
order,
welcome
to
those
in
carson
city
online
and
joining
us
by
phone.
Well,
our
secretary,
please
proceed
to
call
the
roll.
A
And
I
am
here,
thank
you.
We
have
a
few
housekeeping
items
before
we
proceed
so
members
and
presenters.
Please
remember
to
mute
your
microphone
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not
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and
now
that
we
are
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the
committee
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Please
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maintain
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distance
and,
as
you
know,
the
legislative
building
has
been
closed
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public,
but
it
is
opening
up
gradually
with
the
necessary
safety
precautions.
A
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now
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in
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There
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A
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A
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note
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A
Please
contact
our
committee
manager
at
the
committee
email
listed
on
the
agenda
today.
The
committee
will
be
doing
one
committee
introduction
for
bdr,
we'll
be
hearing
three
assembly
bills,
av146
ab148
and
av209
and,
of
course,
we'll
be
holding
a
work
session
on
four
bills:
ab-31
av-34,
ab-74
and
ab-75
at
this
time,
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
introduction
of
a
committee
bdr.
So
committee
members,
as
you
know,
pursuant
to
joint
standing
rule
14,
a
majority
of
the
members
of
the
committee,
must
vote
to
introduce
legislation
on
behalf
of
the
committee.
A
As
noted
in
our
committee
rule
6
committee
introductions
may
be
for
accommodation
only
and
it
is
not
to
be
construed
as
approval
of
a
measure.
Joint
standing
rule
14
requires
that
certain
measures
be
introduced
by
a
standing
committee
and
among
those
measures
are
those
requested
by
agencies
and
officers
of
the
executive
branch.
A
A
And
I
am
a
yes
thank.
You
motion
passes
all
right.
Let's
go
ahead
since
we
have
everyone
here
at
the
same
time
or
we're
gonna
go
and
skip
the
bill
hearings
for
now
and
move
straight
to
the
work
session.
I
would
like
to
remind
everyone
that
we
will
not
be
taking
any
testimony
at
the
work
session.
However,
I
may
call
on
someone
as
necessary
to
answer
questions
from
committee
members.
A
C
Revises
provisions
relating
to
the
storage
and
disposal
of
petroleum
products
revises
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
state
sealer
of
consumer
equitability
relating
to
petroleum
products
and
makes
other
technical
and
conforming
changes.
There
was
one
fiscal
note,
but
it
was
from
the
department
of
agriculture
and
showed
zero
impact,
and
there
were
no
amendments
to
be
considered
for
this
measure.
A
Thank
you
so
much
miss
rudy
committee
members.
Do
we
have
any
questions.
A
We
have
a
motion
from
senator
brooks
and
the
second
from
senator
hansen.
Any
discussion
on
the
motion.
Seeing
none
will
the
secretary.
Please
call
the
roll
call
vote.
A
C
Thank
you,
chairman
tonyante.
This
is
jennifer
rudy
committee
policy,
analyst
assembly
bill
34,
revises
various
provisions
governing
the
control
of
pests,
noxious,
weeds
and
pesticides.
Specifically,
the
bill
authorizes
the
director
of
the
state
department
of
agriculture
to
adopt
regulations
that
establish
and
administer
a
program
to
certify
certain
agricultural
products
as
being
free
from
propagative
parts
from
which
noxious
weeds
may
grow
authorizes.
C
The
department
to
provide
certain
notices
by
electronic
mail
exempts
a
business
from
the
requirement
to
obtain
a
license
from
the
department
if
that
business
is
licensed
by
another
state
and
sells
nursery
stocks
only
to
the
public
exclusively
via
the
internet
revises
the
prohibition
against
engaging
in
certain
activities
involving
pest
control
without
a
license
and
revises
provisions
governing
the
certification
of
restricted
use.
Pesticide
application.
C
It
further
defines
the
term
control
as
it
applies
to
obnoxious,
weeds
and
makes
various
other
changes
concerning
certification
and
regulation
of
pesticide
applicators.
There
are
no
amendments
for
this
measure
and
there
was
one
fiscal
note
from
department
of
agriculture.
Again
it
was
zero
impact.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
from
vice
versa.
We
have
a
second
seconded
by
senator,
brooks
and
is
there
any
discussion
on
emotion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Please
say,
nay
motion
carries
thank
you,
committee
members
and
I,
if
it's
okay,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
assign
it
to
advisor
scheible
for
this
floor
statement.
A
Okay
ab-74,
which
revises
provisions
relating
to
pesticides,
miss
rudy.
Please
proceed.
C
Thank
you,
chair
donalte.
This
is
jennifer
rudy
committee
policy,
analyst
assembly
bill
74
requires
that
sellers
of
restricted
use
pesticides
maintain
records
of
the
distribution
of
those
pesticides.
In
addition
to
sales
records.
Also,
the
sales
and
distribution
records
must
be
maintained
in
accordance
with
federal
record
keeping
requirements
for
state
certification
plans.
There
are
no
amendments
for
this
measure.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
from
senator
brooks.
Do
we
have
a
second
and
second
advice?
Vice
versa,
any
discussion
on
the
motion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed
motion
carries
if
it's
okay
I'll
go
ahead
and
assign
this
to
senator,
brooks
for
fleur
statement.
Great,
thank
you
and
last
but
not
least,
we
have
ab-75
which
revises
provisions
relating
to
weights
and
measures.
Miss
rudy.
Please
proceed.
C
Thank
you,
chair
donalte,
jennifer,
rudy
committee
policy,
analyst
assembly,
bill
75
requires
the
state
sealer
of
consumer
equitability
to
adopt
regulations,
establishing
field
reference
standards
to
be
used
in
the
installation,
adjustment,
repair
or
calibration
of
devices
for
weights
and
measures
and
weighing
in
measuring
devices
and
transfer
standards
to
be
used
as
temporary
measurement
references
to
check
the
accuracy
of
commercial
weighing
and
measuring
equipment.
The
bill
also
creates
a
rebuttable
presumption
concerning
the
presence
of
a
field
reference
standard
and
makes
various
technical
changes
concerning
weights
and
measures.
There
are
no
amendments
for
this
measure.
A
Seeing
none,
I
will
go
ahead
and
entertain
a
motion
to
do
pass.
Ab75
we
have
a
motion
from
viceroy's
tribal.
Do
we
have
a
second?
We
have
a
second
from
senator
brooks
any
discussion
on
emotion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
any
opposed
police,
nay,
motion
carries
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
this
force
statement
as
well
great.
So
now
that
we
have
taken
care
of
that
and
moved
pretty
quickly,
we
can
proceed
with
opening
it
up
for
our
bills
today.
A
So
first
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
assembly
bill
209,
which
prohibits
the
removal
or
disabling
of
the
clause
of
a
cat
under
certain
circumstances,
so
welcome
to
assemblywoman
martinez,
who
is
here
to
present
in
person
and
again
for
anyone
in
the
room
today,
just
as
a
reminder
that
only
one
person
is
permitted
at
the
testifiers
table
at
a
time
due
to
social
distancing-
and
I
understand
that
you
have
other
presenters
as
well.
So
I'll
follow
your
guidance
as
to
who
presents
after
you
and
please
proceed
when
you
are
ready.
E
E
With
the
chair's
permission,
I
will
share
with
you
a
powerpoint
presentation
which,
which
all
of
the
committee
members
should
have
and
I'll,
and
it's
also
available
on
nellis.
E
E
To
put
it
into
perspective,
this
is
what
decline
decline,
looks
like
on
a
cat
on
the
left
side
of
what
I
would
on
the
left
side
is
what
it
would
look
like
on
a
human
being.
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
understand
the
implications
and
effects
that
decline
has
on
a
cat.
Again,
it's
not
just
a
simple
procedure.
E
And
that
is
why
I'm
proposing
assembly
bill
209
assembly
bill
209,
would
prohibit
the
declining
of
cats
for
cosmetic,
aesthetic
or
convenient
reasons.
There
would
be
an
exception
if
a
licensed
veterinarian
determines
that
the
procedure
was
necessary
to
address
the
physical
medical
condition
of
cat
of
cats,
such
as
an
existing
or
reoccurring
illness,
infection,
disease
or
etcetera.
E
E
I
talked
about
how
declining
a
cat
can
severely
affect
their
physical,
emotional
and
psychological
well-being.
Opponents
will
argue
that
declining
a
cat
for
cosmetic,
aesthetic
or
convenient
convenience
reasons
are
necessary
to
protect
human
health,
especially
for
immune
immunocompromised
people.
There
is
no
credible
evidence
that
this
is
true.
In
fact,
various
federal
agencies
and
organizations
have
advised
against
decline,
cats
to
protect
human
health.
Some
of
these
organizations,
organizations
and
agencies
include
the
centers
for
disease
control
and
prevention,
the
national
institutes
of
health
and
the
american
association
of
feline
practitioners.
E
This
does
conclude
my
presentation
and
I
would
now
like
to
turn
it
over
to
the
very
dedicated
and
passionate
dr
jennifer
conrad
she's,
the
founder
and
director
of
the
paw
project,
a
national
nonprofit
organization
that
has
done
an
incredible
job
in
educating
the
public
about
the
painful
and
crippling
effects
effects
of
cat
decline.
Dr
conrad,
please.
E
E
We
might
be
having
some
technical
issues,
so
I
guess
I
will
open
ourselves
up
for
some
questions.
I
also
have
jeff
here
with
the
animal
humane
society,
I'm
with
us
as
well.
He
can
help
help
help
us
with
some,
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
as
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
just
reiterate
the
the
the
reason
why
we
we
don't
want
the
cats
to
be
declawed
is
we
know
the
effects
that
it
has
on
them?
It
changes
their
personalities.
E
You
know,
one
of
the
things
is
that
people
will
get
rid
of
their
animals
because
they
no
longer
will
go
to
the
bathroom
in
their
cat
box.
The
reason
they
stop
doing
it
is
because
they're
once
they've
been
declawed,
their
paws
are
now
in
pain,
so
they
will
eventually
end
up
going
to
the
bathroom.
Instead
of
digging
in
the
cat
box,
they
will
step
to
the
side
and
they'll
pee
or
poop
on
your
carpet
or
in
your
home,
and
then
pet
owners
will
no
longer
want
the
pet.
E
F
Thank
you
so
much
assembly,
member
martinez
and
good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
jennifer
conrad,
I'm
a
veterinarian
and
I
run
the
world's
largest
organization
dedicated
to
ending
the
clawing
the
paw
project.
F
I
just
I
wanted
to
assure
you
that
this
bill
is
an
excellent
thing
to
do
for
animals
in
in
nevada.
The
first
thing
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
is
that
declawing
is
a
misnomer
and
that
it's
actually,
when
you
declaw
a
cat,
you're,
actually
cutting
off
the
last
bone
in
a
cat's
toes
it's
it's
the
equivalent
of
taking
this
cigar
cutter
and
cutting
off
the
tips
of
my
fingers
and
in
in
regard
to
whether
or
not
it's
going
to
help
the
cats
in
nevada.
It
will
everywhere
we've
banned
decline.
F
The
cat
doesn't
use
the
box
because
it
hurts
to
dig
in
the
sand
and
then
they've
been
robbed
of
their
primary
defense,
so
now
they
have
to
resort
to
biting
the
the
things
that
that
you
might
hear
from
the
opponents
is
that
you
have
to
be
able
to
declaw
a
cat
to
protect
human
health
and,
as
assembly
member
martinez
said,
the
cdc
and
nih
and
u.s
public
health
service
does
not
agree
with
that
and
in
fact
the
rest
of
the
world
doesn't
allow
declawing
or
most
of
the
rest
of
the
world.
F
So
and
you
don't
hear
about
people
dying
from
cats
scratches
in
in
england
or
in
germany
or
switzerland
or
sweden,
australia,
all
sorts
of
other
countries
where
decline
is
absolutely
not
allowed.
F
You
might
hear
that
there
have
been
all
these
advances
in
veterinary
medicine
like
using
a
laser
to
declaw
or
that
the
pain
meds
are
so
much
better
now
and
that's
true,
but
it's
still
an
amputation,
that's
totally
unnecessary
and
as
a
veterinarian,
I
went
to
school
to
protect
cats
not
to
protect
couches.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
short
presentation,
assemblywoman.
I
think
we're
good
to
proceed
with
questions
yup.
Mr
dixon,
did
you
want
to
mention
anything
before
we
pursue
the
questions
or
yeah?
Please.
A
G
Maine
society
of
the
united
states
am,
I
can
you
hear
me:
okay,
good
I'd
like
to
thank
assembly,
assemblymember
martinez
for
bringing
this
bill
and
dr
conrad
and
the
paw
project
for
their
punching
above
their
weight,
as
it
were
in
getting
this
issue
on
the
agenda
in
many
places
around
the
country
on
behalf
of
our
nevada
supporters
and
all
cats
in
this
state
who,
if
given
the
choice,
would
keep
their
bodies
intact.
G
One
in
five
cats
have
long-term
complications
from
d-claw
surgery,
while
50
have
immediate
post-surgical
complications,
one-third
of
d-clawed
cats
have
some
behavioral
problems
after
declawing.
So
that's
quite
a
few.
The
legality
of
non-therapeutic
d-claws
sends
the
wrong
message
to
pet
owners
that
non-therapeutic
amputations
are
an
acceptable
thing
to
do
to
one's
animals.
G
It
puts
some
veterinarians
as
well
in
the
position
to
either
keep
their
customer,
keep
the
cat
with
the
customer
or
decline
the
procedure.
Veterinarians
have
an
emotionally
difficult
job,
especially
veterinarians,
who
could
care
for
companion
animals,
and
this
is
a
law
that
would
spare
them
from
that
common
dilemma.
G
By
prohibiting
this
practice,
we
send
the
message
that
humane
solutions
are
the
only
way
to
address
these
natural
behaviors
that
happen
to
inconvenience
humans.
Sometimes
those
solutions
include
trimming,
nail
caps,
designated
strat,
scratching
surfaces.
I
brought
one
with
me:
this
was
seven
dollars
at
walmart
and
you
can
see
my
cat
has
gone
to
town
on
it.
She's
left
my
respectable
cloth
furniture
alone.
G
And
there
are
a
host
of
other
solutions
that
one
can
find
on
the
internet.
There
are
many
experts
there,
the
the
scratching
is
usually
a
symptom
of
other
things
going
on.
In
the
cat's
mind,
it's
a
sign
of
frustration,
but
there
are
humane
solutions
and
one
can
even
use
the
funds
that
would
go
toward
an
operation
to
hiring
a
behavior
specialist
if
one
needs
to
to
consult
on
the
issue.
G
Claws
are
part
of
the
cat's
essence,
you
cannot
simply
train
train
their
discomfort,
their
distress
and
their
defensiveness.
Out
of
them
and
I'll
point
you
to
a
coalition
letter
of
animal
welfare
organizations
that
are
in
support
of
this
bill.
They
include
kathmandu
of
carson
city,
heaven
can
wade
animal
society
of
las
vegas,
homeward,
bound
catted
options,
humane
network,
a
pal
envy,
rescue
treasures,
cat
cafe,
spca
of
northern
nevada
and
the
animal
foundation
in
las
vegas.
G
The
animal
foundation
serves
about
two-thirds
of
clark
county
and
in
closing,
if
you
pass
this
bill,
the
people
on
blood
thinners
will
be
fine
and
immuno-compromised
people
will
be
fine.
Veterinarians
will
be
fine.
In
some
cases,
they'll
be
relieved.
G
A
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
dixon.
Before
we
proceed
to
any
questions
from
the
committee
members,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
request
is
I'm
having
actually
difficulty
trying
to
find
where
some
of
the
health
organizations
have
advised
against
declining
of
cats.
I
know
that
the
cdc
is
probably
the
closest
one
that
I've
found,
but
I'm
having
a
tough
time
searching
and
finding
those
documents.
So
if
you
can
send
those
to
us,
that'd
be
really
great
but
be
happy
too
any
questions
from
the
community
members
at
this
time,
senator
brooks
and
then
senator.
D
Hanson,
thank
you
chair
what
I
I'm
not
sure
if
assemblyman
martinez
mentioned
this
when
in
her
presentation,
but
do
you
know
which
states
that
this
have
made
this
medical
procedure
on
a
cat
illegal.
G
Yes,
jeff
dixon
for
the
record,
the
state
of
new
york
just
passed
the
law.
We
would
be
the
second.
D
H
Sure,
thanks
chair
jeff,
great
to
see
you
again,
you
mentioned
in
your
thing
about
euphemisms.
I
couldn't
help
but
laugh
because
you
know
we.
We
use
the
term
neutered
for
cutting
off
a
animal's
testicles
and
we
use
spaying
for
removing
the
ovaries
and
uteruses
of
cats.
You
mentioned
that
we
want
to
maintain
their
natural
behaviors
and
their
very
essence.
H
H
I
keep
them
because
I
have
a
lot
of
mics,
but
you
know
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
how
do
you
ever
kind
of
like
how
do
you
reconcile
the
fact
that
on
one
hand,
we're
we're
cutting
off
all
sorts
of
animal
parts
and
doing
all
sorts
of
things
to
prevent
them
from
reproducing?
Yet
in
this
particular
case,
you
want
to
leave
them
all
natural,
so
they
can
have
their
essence.
G
Sure
jeff
dixon
for
the
record.
So
when
you're
right,
when
we
talk
about
sterilizing
animals,
we
don't
get
too
descriptive
with
it,
but
when
we
sterilize
animals
pet
pet
animals,
they
that
is
for
the
animals
benefit
right,
because
if
they
continue
to
produce
and
produce
you
have
you
contribute
to
animal
homelessness,
and
animal
homelessness
often
leads
to
lots
of
strays
running
around.
They
can
be
in
danger.
They
can
starve,
they
can
be
hit
by
cars.
It
can
be
subject
to
predations.
G
So
yes,
that
that
is
a
we're
talking
about
certain
natural
behaviors
that
we're
taking
from
them,
but
in
in
the
one
case,
it's
good
for
them
as
a
whole
and
in
the
other
sense
it's
bad
for
them.
H
G
A
Thank
you,
senator
hanson,
vicer
scheibel.
C
Thanks,
I'm
not
sure
who
can
best
help
me
out
with
this
question,
but
I'm
looking
at
section
one
subsection,
one
and
kind
of
wondering
if
this
would
apply
to
only
veterinarians
who
perform
this
procedure
or
also
the
pet
owner,
who
directs
them
to
do
that
or
asks
them
to
do
that,
because
I
notice
that
the
wording
says
a
person
shall
not
remove
or
disable
the
clause
but
doesn't
say
anything
about
directing
somebody
else
to
do
it.
A
I
Poor,
thank
you
chagnate
alan
amburn,
for
the
record
so
based
on
the
plain
meaning
of
the
statute,
a
person
could
similarly
include
an
owner
of
the
cat
or
a
licensed
veterinarian.
I
Based
on
the
plain
meaning
of
the
statute,
says,
shall
not
remove
or
disable
the
clause
of
the
cat
it
might,
that
might
narrow
it
to
licensed
veterinary
veterinarian.
Honestly,
it's
a
bit
unclear
based
on
the
language
of
the
statute,
as
it
is
currently
written.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
have
a
follow-up
question
then
I
understand
that
for
this
particular
act
it
there's
a
associated
civil
penalty,
but
would
then.
C
Is
the
intention
for
this
to
be
able
to
be
used
in
a
criminal
case
as
well
as
the
intention
for
it
not
to,
or
is
it
the
intention
to
leave
it
up
to
the
discretion
of
police
officers
and
prosecutors
to
determine
whether
or
not
engaging
in
this?
What
would
now
be
considered?
Illegal
activity
is
also
cruel
or
neglectful.
J
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman
members
of
this
committee,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
william
horn
with
strategies
360
representing
the
paw
project.
To
answer
senator
schneible's
question.
This
bill
is
drafted
to
to
address
the
civil
penalties,
only
not
criminal,
and
arguably
that
this
could
go
toward
a
veterinarian's
license
in
when
they
when
they
break
this.
J
The
fine
should
be
such
that
it
does
not
allow
for
veterinary
to
to
make
that
cost
benefit
analysis
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
anyway
in
charge
and
I'll
just
pay
the
fines
out,
so
it
staggered
it
increases
with
each
each
time
that
does
it,
but
there's
no
intent
in
this
bill
to
calls
for
criminal
prosecution
of
veterinarians
in
and
lgb
legal.
Can
you
know
correct
me
if
I'm,
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
that's
how
I.
C
Read
I
I
would
appreciate
legal
wayne
in
here,
and
maybe
if
I
can
just
be
a
little
bit
more
specific,
I'm
looking
at
the
definition
of
torture
and
cruelty,
which
is
omission
or
neglect
whereby
unjustifiable
physical
pain
is
caused.
And
so
it
seems
to
me
with
this
bill,
we're
saying
that
declining
a
cat
causes
pain
and
that
pain
is
no
longer
legally
justifiable.
C
I
Thank
you,
chair
did
not
say
alan
ambron
for
the
record,
so
based
on
the
language
that
is
currently
written
in
section
one,
so
that
sets
forth
the
civil
penalties
that
would
apply
in
the
situation.
As
stated,
it
sets
forth
those
fine
amounts
in
subsection
two
in
subsection,
three,
that's
where
we
start
getting
into
the
licensed
veterinarians,
and
it
essentially
provides
in
massive
section
three
subsection
three
of
section
one
talks
about
how
a
licensed
veterinarian,
who
violates
the
provisions
of
section
one
they're,
subject
to
disciplinary
action
pursuant
to
chapter
638.
I
Those
discipline
actions
could
include
the
refusal
to
issue
a
license.
Relocation
of
a
license,
the
suspension
of
the
license
impositions
of
the
fine
public,
reprimands
things
along
that
lines
when
it
comes
to
the
possibility
of
a
criminal
penalty
coming
into
play
with
this,
I'm
currently
unaware
of
any
criminal
penalties
that
would
come
into
play
for
this.
Looking
at
section,
2
and
section
3
of
the
bill,
those
are
the
ones
that
are
showing
where
this
language
would
be
placed
in
existing
statutes
would
be
placed
in
that
subhead
in
chapter
574
dealing
with
cruelty
to
animals.
I
C
Thank
you
yes,
and
I
just
think
that
it's
important
to
have
a
clear
legislative
history
on
this
topic,
because
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
bill,
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
doing
what
we
can
to
prevent
this
kind
of
harm
to
animals,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
moving
forward
that
the
point
of
this
bill
is,
first
of
all,
to
apply
to
veterinarians,
not
pet
owners
who
take
their
cat
to
a
veterinarian
for
this
cruel,
awful
procedure
and,
second
of
all,
that
it's
intended
to
be
civil
penalties,
not
criminal
penalties.
A
Thank
you
so
much
advisor
tribal
and
mr
horn
since
you're
already
up
here.
Just
a
quick
clarification.
This
bill
does
not
limit
the
scope
of
practice
that
a
veterinarian
would
need
to
in
cases
where
perhaps
it
needs
to
be
called
a
cat
to
save
the
paw
or
whatever.
The
case
is
that
this
does
not
limit
that.
If
that
situation
does
arise,
correct.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
That's
correct
this.
This
is
only
limiting.
This
hope
that
it's
basically
a
directive
that
veterinarians
are
not
to
do
the
declaw
procedure
unless
it's
for
the
health
and
welfare
of
the
cat
not
for
static
purposes
or
you
know,
owner
brings
the
cat
in
and
says
scratching
up
my
furniture.
I
need
to
get
it
declawed,
that's
not
a
justifiable
reason
to
declaw,
but
you
know
tumors
injuries,
etc.
J
That
veterinarian
is
well
within
their
their
practice.
Scope
to
to
do
this
procedure.
H
So
quick
question
on
that
who,
who
determines
that?
I
mean
if
I
take
my
cat
to
a
a
vet,
and
I
ask
him
to
remove
the
claws
and
you
ask
for
a
reason-
and
I
say
well
because
whatever
I
make
up
something
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
what's
actually
going
on
and
somehow
the
law
enforcement
people
find
out
later,
can
that
veterinarian
be
held
accountable
because
he
followed
the
dictation
of
his
client
without
really
doing
an
investigation
on
tumors
or
whatever
the
actual
legitimate
things
would
be.
If
this
bill
passes.
J
Thank
you
senator
hansen.
I
I
believe
that
it's
incumbent
upon
the
licensed
veterinarian
to
do
their
their
profession,
their
due
diligence
and
when
for
any
procedure
that
an
owner
of
a
pet,
an
animal
they
bring
into.
So
I
would
hope
that
a
veterinarian
is
not
going
to
take
my
word
or
diagnosis
of
my
cat
as
in
place
of
their
own
and
make
a
new
determination.
So
if
I
give
them
some
false
reason
on
why
I
need
the
cat
be
clawed,
I
think
it's
still
incumbent
upon
a
licensed
veterinarian
to
ins.
J
You
know
look
at
my
cat
check
it
out
and
see
if
those
my
subjective,
complaints
of
the
cat
are
accurate
and
that
veterinarian,
if
they're
you
know
honest
and
and
don't
doing
their
practice
as
they're
supposed
to
will
say.
Well,
mr
horn,
I
don't
see
these
problems
with
her
cat,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
her.
J
I
can't
do
this
procedure
unless
I
find
something
objectively
that
warrants
this
procedure,
and
I
thought
you
know,
and
we
would
hope
that
not
just
with
veterinarians
but
other
health
care
providers
et
cetera
or
people
who
are
doing
services.
You
want
that
expert.
To
be
honest
and
and
do
the
job
within
the
scope
that
they
are
licensed
to
do.
H
Well,
I
guess
the
question
would
be
then
assume
you
know.
We
see
this
in
medical
practices
all
the
time
where
people
will
abuse
that
type
of
type
of
discretion
who
who
enforces
it
in
this
case,
if
a
veterinarian,
you
know
cuts
off
my
cat's
claws
and
in
somebody
else's
opinion,
my
cats,
didn't
it
wasn't
legitimately
done.
Who
under
this
loft
passes,
is?
Is
this
the
something
that
the
local
sheriff
enforces
or
the
veterinarian's
board,
or
what
I'm?
I'm
not
sure
who
the
enforcement
mechanism
is.
J
Well,
currently,
in
in
our
statutes
and
regulations,
you
know
board
licensing
boards
are
the
ones
who
who
oversee
conduct
of
their
licensees,
and
so
is
there
a
mechanism
to
where
you
know
somebody
can
report
this.
This
practice
yeah
anybody
can
report
any
veterinarian
or
any
licensee
for
operating
outside
the
scope
of
their
license,
and
then
that
board
is
tasked
with
the
investigation
and
checking
to
see
if
whether
those
complaints
are
warranted
and
they
can
operate
from
there.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
horn.
Let's
go
ahead
and
seeing
that
we
are
good
to
go
of
chair
books,
I
mean
senator
brooks.
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
have
one
more
question,
so
it
just
kind
of
a
simple,
a
quick
search
shows
that
this
measure,
this
exact
measure,
has
failed
in
california,
florida,
new,
hampshire,
new
jersey,
massachusetts,
michigan
and
that's
just
the
first
ones.
I
think
in
the
last
two
years,
like
so
what
it
seems
as
if
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
get
these
passed
even
in
states
that
pass
all
kinds
of
stuff.
So
what
why
is
this?
This
movement
having
such
a
hard
time
getting
traction?
J
For
senator
brooks,
I
could
only
speculate,
maybe
others
have
a
a
better
reason
on
why.
But
I
would
point
to
the
successes,
not
just
you
know,
in
new
york,
but
also
some
municipalities
in
in
the
country
that
have
moved
in
this
direction
and
I
believe
a
number
of
providences
in
in
our
neighbor.
Canada
have
also
done
it,
so
it's
not
so
much
as
who
hasn't
done
it,
but
it's
that
there's
this
effort
and
it
has
been
succeeding
in
other
places
to
to
get
this
practice
abolished
and,
while
nevada,
you
know
my
time.
J
J
A
Good,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
Let's
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
testimony
as
a
reminder
we'll
be
limiting
all
testifiers
to
two
minutes.
Each
and
testifiers
are
encouraged
to
summarize
their
positions
and
submit
more
comprehensive
testimony
in
writing,
and
I
say
that
clearly
to
all
those
that
are
on
the
phone
lines.
So
please
please,
please
limit
your
testimony
to
two
minutes
each.
Otherwise
I
will
cut
you
off
and
it's
okay,
it's
okay
to
say
ditto
after
the
next
person.
A
So
before
we
proceed
to
the
phone
lines,
is
there
anyone
wishing
to
support
testimony
for
ab209
here
in
person
in
the
room.
A
B
K
My
name
is
jill
j-I-l-l
dobbs
d
is
in
dog
o
b
is
in
boy
b,
is
in
boy
s's
and
sam.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
spca
of
northern
nevada.
I
am
speaking
today
in
support
of
all
the
prior
speakers
in
support
of
this
bill,
as
well
as
the
69
letters
of
support
submitted
to
the
previous
senate
committee
in
support.
K
Vet
associations
are
either
completely
opposed
to
this
procedure,
or
they
strongly
recommend
against
it.
Scratching,
as
we've
already
heard,
is
a
necessary
and
natural
cat
behavior
plenty
of
appropriate
ways
to
address
it,
as
explained
by
jeff
dixon
d-claude
cats
are
often
relinquished
into
our
shelters
because
of
long-term
negative
physical
and
psychological
effects,
including
arthritis,
chronic
lifelong
pain
refusal
to
use
the
litter
boxes,
but
they
can't
live
as
outdoor
cats
because
they
don't
have
claws
to
defend
themselves
and
climb
things
to
get
away
from
predators.
K
Please
read
all
the
support
letters
detailing
the
chronic
pain
and
problems.
We
currently
have
a
cat,
as
we
have
dozens
of
them,
relinquished
to
us
every
single
year
because
of
the
long-term
effects
of
being
the
clod.
It's
really
hard
to
get
cats
who
won't
use
their
litter
boxes,
adopted
into
loving
homes,
and
we
have
even
had
ones
where
the
decline
is
botched
or
so
severe
that
it
causes
horrible
pain
and
suffering.
We
had
a
cat
gracie
last
year.
K
K
B
B
K
S-R-A-N-B-E-S-C-A-S-U-L-C-I-N-I-T-I
and
I
am
providing
testimony
as
executive
director
at
heaven-
can
wait
animal
society,
a
las
vegas-based
nonprofit
that
serves
animals
and
their
families,
and
I'm
speaking
in
enthusiastic
support
of
ab209
for
the
past
20
years.
Kevin
can
wait,
has
worked
towards
ending
euthanasia
in
the
las
vegas
area
through
providing
life-saving
spay
and
neuter
services,
as
well
as
high
impact
adoption
and
foster
programming.
And
since
our
founding
we've
served
over
150
000
animals
here
in
las
vegas,
we
perform
dozens
of
surgeries
every
day
and
it's
not
something
we
take
likely
or
lightly.
K
There
is
risk
associated
with
each
and
every
surgical
procedure
and
we
carefully
evaluate
each
patient
to
ensure
that
the
benefits
of
the
surgery
outweigh
these
risks.
We
know,
for
example,
that
the
benefits
associated
with
a
spay
or
neuter
surgery
have
a
dramatic
positive
impact
on
the
quality
of
life
for
the
individual
animals
that
we
serve
as
well
as
for
the
future
generations
of
animals
that
are
born
here
in
las
vegas.
K
With
that
in
mind,
we
view
decline
in
most
circumstances
as
an
unnecessary
painful
procedure,
with
the
potential
for
chronic
medical
issues
and
behavioral
problems
for
cats
who
receive
this
surgery.
We
believe
there
are
a
few
situations
in
which
the
risks
of
the
surgical
procedure
outweigh
the
benefits.
We
never
recommend
declawing
as
a
possible
solution
to
any
of
our
clients
when
they
come
to
us
with
questions
for
addressing
a
cat's,
behavioral
issues
with
many
negative
unintended
consequences
possible
from
decline
that
have
already
been
outlined
in
this
hearing.
K
B
K
I
have
fostered
dozens
of
kittens
for
shelters
such
as
the
nfcca
lead,
animal
shelter
and
hearts
alive
rescue,
I'm
just
here
to
say
that
cats
absolutely
need
their
claws,
as
stated
with
the
other
presenters.
This
is
not
a
necessary
surgery
and
it
does
include,
or
does
lead
to
complications
in
the
long
run.
I
heard
one
senator
say
that
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
and
I
believe
that
that
is
such
backwards.
K
That
is
such
a
backwards
way
of
thinking
and
I'm
sure
that
this
is
having
a
hard
time
getting
traction
in
other
states,
because
the
vets
are
lobbying
our
politicians
and
getting
in
their
pockets.
So
no,
we
will
never
get
there
if
we
aren't
caring
for
the
greater
good
and
thinking
of
what's
best
in
the
long
run.
For
these.
K
B
L
B-A-R-B-A-R-A-H-O-D-G-E-S
a
veterinarian
working
exclusively
with
companion,
cat
and
dog
patients
for
the
past
20
years
today
I
represent
the
humane
society
veterinary
medical
association
with
9
000
members
nationwide,
including
100
members
in
nevada.
We
strongly
support
ab209,
which
would
end
non-therapeutic
toe
amputation,
surgeries
on
cats,
contrary
to
widely
held
belief,
decline
is
not
simply.
Removal
of
a
cat's
nails
decline
involves
amputating
the
last
bone
of
each
of
a
cat's
toes.
It
is
an
unnecessary
surgery
generally
performed
to
address
convenience
issues
such
as
scratching
household
furniture.
L
It
offers
no
medical
benefit
to
our
family
cat
patients
and
it
may
have
a
lasting
negative
impact
on
their
health
and
welfare,
exposing
them
to
risks
of
anesthesia
infection
and
blood
loss,
as
well
as
chronic
pain,
nerve
damage
and
lameness.
Many
veterinarians
already
refused
to
declaw
on
ethical
grounds,
citing
it
as
an
inhumane
invasive
surgery.
L
In
fact,
declining
of
cats
is
not
fully
condoned
by
any
veterinary
medical
association.
Decline
has
already
been
prohibited
in
dozens
of
countries
worldwide,
as
well
as
by
11
u.s
cities,
including
just
this
march
austin
texas.
The
first
bill
to
prohibit
convenience
decline.
Statewide
was
signed
in
new
york
in
2019
by
enacting
ab209
nevada
would
become
the
second
state
in
the
nation
to
prohibit
this
inhumane
procedure,
and
we
urge
your
humane
leadership
in
supporting
this
bill.
Thank
you.
A
A
B
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee
members.
My
name
is
rebecca
goff
r-e-b-e
season
cat
season,
cat,
a
cheese
and
girl,
oh
f,
is
in
frankfort
and
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
ab209
on
behalf
of
the
nevada,
humane
society,
our
state's
only
open
admission
and
no
kill
shelter.
I
am
the
clinic
manager
there
and
have
worked
in
veterinary
medicine
for
over
a
decade
and
have
seen
this
in
her
humane
procedure
for
too
long
declining
these
caps
with
long-term
post-surgical
and
physical
and
mental
trauma,
as
well
as
behavior
issues
such
as
biting
and
inappropriate
elimination.
L
L
He
was
surrendered
to
us
due
to
behavior
issues,
and
while
in
our
care
we
discovered
the
bone
fragments
as
well
as
his
nails,
growing
back
through
his
skin
of
his
z-clad
paws.
I
can't
imagine
how
painful
that
would
be
to
live
like
that,
and
now
he
faces
another
complicated
and
expensive
surgery
to
correct
this
error
and
rehabilitate
him,
so
he
can
have
a
chance
at
a
comfortable
life.
L
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
bps.
Next,
we
will
go
ahead
and
hear
testimony
in
opposition.
Do
we
have
anyone
in
the
room
seeing
none,
let's
go
ahead.
Bps.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
provide
testimony
in
opposition
to
ab209.
A
Thank
you
so
much
pps
and
last
but
not
least,
is
there
anyone
in
this
room
willing
to
testify
in
neutral
on
this
bill,
seeing
none
bps?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
provide
testimony
in
neutral
on
ab209.
A
Thank
you
so
much
bps
assemblywoman
martinez.
Do
you
have
any
closing
remarks.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
donate,
senator,
brooks.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
information
now
that
I
can
give
it
to
you.
There
have
been
more
counties
in
the
united
states
that
have
also
banned
the
decline.
I
will
get
you
that
information.
I
didn't
bring
it
with
me,
but
we
do
have
it
so
new
york
has
been
the
most
progressive
that
has
done
this,
we're
hoping
to
be
the
second.
When
I
started
doing
this
on
this
journey
of
the
cat
bill.
E
Many
people
told
me:
you
know
what
susie
don't
do
it.
The
lobby
corner
you're
never
going
to
get
anywhere,
but
I
knew
that,
speaking
to
everybody,
educating
everybody,
I
knew
that
the
assembly
and
the
senate
were
sensible
people.
We
passed
it
in
the
in
the
assembly,
we're
now
hoping
to
pass
it
in
the
senate.
We've
educated
people
and
they
realize
that
this
is
not
a
good
policy.
E
Back
in
the
day
we
used
to
have
the
chickens
in
little
boxes.
Now
we
want
them
to
be
free
range.
People
are
willing
to
spend
six
dollars
for
a
dozen
of
eggs,
because
we
know
that
you
know
it's
better
for
the
animals.
So
now
we
also
when
we,
when
we
know
better,
we
do
better
so
yeah
in
california.
My
understanding
is,
they
haven't
been
able
to
pass
because
their
lobby
corps
is
so
strong.
E
It's
not
going
to
pass,
but
I
know
that
that's
that's
not
the
case
here,
but
so
anyways.
I
just
wanted
to
conclude.
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
present.
Another
thing
is
that
I
know
sometimes
we
become
partisan
in
this
building.
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
really
quick
letter
that
I
got
from
somebody
it's
one
of
my
I'm
going
to
put
this
in
my
office,
but
this
is
from
a
nevadan.
Her
name
is
lev
schneiderman.
E
She
says
to
me
as
a
conservative
republican.
I
very
rarely
com
compliment
democratic
representatives.
She
says
your
ab209,
which
bans
the
declining
of
cats
deserves
a
big
thank
you
from
all
same
cat
lovers.
My
two
feline
family
members,
frankie
and
johnny,
also
extend
their
gratitude.
So
the
cats
don't
care
whether
we're
democrat
or
republican.
They
just
want
to
keep
their
paws
so
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
privilege
of
your
time
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
present
assembly
bill.
209
and
I
urge
your
support,
thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
martinez.
It's
always
great
to
welcome
you
here
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
ab209
for
now
and
the
committee
will
not
be
taking
any
action
on
this
bill
today,
but
I
may
bring
it
back
for
a
future
work
session.
So
thank
you
again
to
all
the
presenters
for
your
testimonies
and
participation.
A
A
M
Thank
you,
chair
donate,
and
the
senate
committee
on
natural
resources
for
the
record.
I'm
sarah
peters,
representing
assembly,
district
24
in
washoe
county.
It
is
my
pleasure
to
present
assembly
bill
146,
which
revises
provisions
related
to
water
pollution,
especially
water
pollution
relating
resulting
from
diffuse
sources.
M
As
you
know,
nevada
is
the
most
arid
state
in
the
nation.
As
such,
water
is
our
state's
most
precious
resource
and
protecting
its
quality
is
of
profound
importance.
We
all
depend
on
water
from
everything
everything
from
drinking
water
to
irrigation,
for
agriculture,
economic
development
and
recreational
use.
It
is
of
utmost
importance
to
protect
our
water
and
one
of
the
biggest
threats
to
our
water.
What
excuse
me
to
our
limited
water
resources
is
pollution
when
we
think
about
water
pollution.
M
Often
the
images
come
to
mind
of
like
large
pipes
that
are
exploding,
green,
gunk
dumping
waste
into
our
rivers.
That's
called
point
source
pollution,
however.
The
leading
cause
of
water
quality
impairments
in
nevada
is
not
from
these
single
source
pollutants,
but
rather
from
pollutants
called
diffuse
sources
or
from
diffuse
sources.
M
These
are
also
known
as
non-point
source
pollution.
This
type
of
water
pollution
is
generally
caused
by
runoff,
precipitation,
drainage
or
atmospheric
deposition.
Often,
snow
melt
or
rainfall
carries
various
pollutants
like
chemicals,
bacteria,
fertilizer
and
sediments,
through
the
ground
to
our
groundwater
and
into
our
lakes
and
rivers.
M
M
The
bill
requires
the
state
environmental
commission
to
adopt
regulations
for
controlling
the
infiltration
of
contaminants
into
underground
water,
resulting
from
contaminated
fluids
or
soil
if
the
underground
water
supply
or
supply.
Sorry,
if
the
underground
water
supplies
or
may
be
reasonably
expected
to
supply
a
public
water
system
assembly,
bill
146
requires
the
commission
environmental
commission
to
publish
notice
of
a
hearing
on
a
regulation
that
provides
a
stand
standard
of
water
quality
or
waste
discharge.
M
The
bill
codifies
the
practice
of
informing
and
consulting
with
native
american
tribes
during
regulatory
and
permitting
considerations
concerning
water
pollution.
Finally,
ab146
sets
forth
a
legislative
declaration
that
the
people
of
nevada
have
a
right
to
clean
water,
and
that
is
the
policy
of
this
state
to
mitigate
the
degradation
of
waters
in
nevada.
M
M
Additionally,
there
were
concerns
regarding
the
input
of
local
municipalities
in
the
regulatory
development
process,
so
we
included
an
additional
and
specific
public
hearing
for
the
environmental
commission
to
assess
a
three.
The
three
specific
concerns
excuse
me
of
economic
and
technological
feasibility
of
meeting
the
proposed
regulatory
standards
and
the
cost
of
implementation
of
those
on
the
local
governments.
M
Changes
in
section
6
propose
to
add
a
subsection
to
give
discretionary
authority
for
the
director
to
provide
recommendations
on
the
adoption
of
regulations
to
the
environmental
commission.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
av146
I
and
am
available
for
questions
as
they
come.
A
All
good,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation
and
just
for
the
committee
members
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
you
all
that
we
do
have
miss
jennifer
carr
from
the
division
of
environmental
protection
in
the
state
department
of
conservation,
natural
resources
available.
Also
for
questions.
If
you'd
like
to
ask
anything
from
them-
and
I
believe
there
are
a
couple
amendments
besides
the
one
that's
presented
that
are
uploaded
on
ellis,
but
for
now
we
can
ask
any
questions
to
the
assemblywoman
while
she's
here
so
committee
members.
A
Any
questions
at
this
time
looks
like
senator,
brooks.
A
So
if
you
go
on
nellis
on
ab146
and
you
look
at
the
exhibits
under
senate
and
natural
resources,
tuesday
may
4th
2021.
A
There
are
four
documents
that
are
uploaded
as
exhibits
under
the
senate,
so
it's
there's
one
that
says:
email
amendment
removed
fiscal
impact.
Next
one
says
conceptual
amendment
urban
consortium
which
we'll
hear
about
probably
later
on
in
this
hearing.
I.
A
D
But
assemblyman
peters,
you
were
just
walking
through
the
conceptual
amendment
that
you're
proposing
it
doesn't
do
the
things
that
you
said
it
was
doing,
or
at
least
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
thing.
And
so
it's
a
one-page
amendment
right
yeah.
D
M
Yes,
so
point
two
on
here
says
it
revises
section:
seven
of
subsection,
sorry,
section
four
sub
seven
and
excuse
me
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record
to
add
the
following
definitions,
and
this
was
recommended
by
legal
right
now
we
have
marginalized
communities
defined
in
the
text
of
the
first
reprint.
M
D
A
Thank
you
so
much
senator
brooks
vice
versa.
C
Thank
you
that
brought
up
a
follow-up
question.
Is
it
marginalized
communities
or
underserved
communities.
M
Thank
you
for
that
correction.
It
is
underserved
communities.
In
our
initial
version
we
used
marginalized
communities
and
found
a
better
definition
defined
in
a
different
piece
of
legislation
that
was
presented
this
session,
and
we
adopted
those
language
because
they
were
more
specific
and
easier
to
follow
and
and
to
hold
accountable
for
regulations.
Okay,
thank
you.
N
Thank
you.
It
probably
would
have
been
a
better
question
from
senator
brooks,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
get
my
hands
around
this
whole
thing
all
right.
When
we,
when
you
talk
about
the
director
in
your
amendment,
are
you
talking
about
the
director
from
dcnr.
N
Okay-
and
I
guess
I'm
struggling
with
what
kind
of
recommendations
he
would
be
able
to
submit
to
the
commission
where
truly
the
the
commission
is
a
regulator.
Can
you
enlighten
me
there
exactly
where
we're
headed.
M
So
in
the
and
sorry
assemblywoman
peters
for
the
record
in
the
original
draft,
we
authorized
the
director
to
take
actions
related
to
the
mitigation
of
and
control
of
diffuse
source
or
water
contaminated
water
input
to
water
basins.
M
We
had
significant
concerns
about
the
discretion
from
that's
one
person,
so
the
objective
was
to
allow
for
that
discretion
to
occur
because
sometimes,
when
you're
on
the
ground
and
in
the
division,
you
are
seeing
activities
that
cause
concern
about
your
like
your
ability
to
control
certain
contaminants
or
certain
actions
that
are
resulting
in
degradation
to
to
waters,
and
this
was
to
enhance
kind
of
that
narrative
and
discussion
pathway
from
the
director's
office
to
the
environmental
commission
to
offer
suggestions
and
recommendations
for
on-the-ground
activities
that
would
help
control
those
pollutants.
N
And
just
to
follow
up,
if
I
may,
then,
mr
chair
it
and
I'm
still
again
trying
to
wrap
my
hands
head
around
the
bill,
as
I
read
it,
but
anyway,
you
know.
Clearly
we
know
that
when
we
talk
about
impacts
from
residential
individual
systems,
I
mean
septic,
okay,
the
bottom
line-
I
don't
you
know
I'd
like
to
talk
plainly,
all
right,
septic
system.
We
know
that's
occurring
across
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
areas
in
this
state.
N
N
So
I
we're
going
to
have
the
state
environmental
commission
is
going
to
walk
through
this
and
then
they're
going
to
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
adopt
some
regulations
and
truly,
if
we've
got
high
nitrates,
then
we're
going
to
have
the
health
commission,
the
state
board
of
health
adopt
some
more
regulations.
N
So
I
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
solution
is.
We're
going
to
put
a
commission
in
place
we're
going
to
adopt
some
regulations,
but
the
solution.
How
are
we
going
to
deal
with
these?
You
know
septic
systems.
M
Thank
you
senator
for
the
question.
Sorry,
I
was
really
close
to
that
mike
assemblywoman
peters
for
their
for
the
record.
So,
yes,
there
are
two
kind
of
pathways
right.
The
obvious
pathway
for
pollutants
into
our
water
systems
is
septic
or
sewage
waste
that
gets
into
our
our
water
basins
and
there's
an
engineer
process
that
goes
into
designing
those
right
with
the
that
includes
modeling
and
identifying
whether
there
will
be
impacts
to
water
quality
in
those
basins.
That's
a
different,
a
different
regulatory
process
than
what
we're
proposing
here.
M
This
has
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
do
with
septic
systems.
It
is
kind
of
a
broader
picture
of
the
potential
contaminants
that
can
result
in
degradation
to
our
groundwaters
right
now.
The
dcnr
through
ndp,
regulates
injection
fluids
into
groundwaters,
but
they
don't
regulate
infiltration
through
wastewater
basins
or
other
areas
that
that's
as
contiguous.
M
In
looking
at
the
contaminants
directly
from
those
infiltration
waters
into
our
groundwater
supply,
there
are
anti-degradation
rules
that
are
in
place
that
the
state
uses
to
monitor
and
ensure
that
the
the
basins
are
not
that
our
groundwater
basins
are
not
seeing
a
degradation
water
quality.
But
that's
not
what
we're.
Looking
at
getting
at
here,
this
is
more
of
a
direct
control
of
those
contaminants
into
the
groundwater.
M
As
you
can
see,
I'm
sorry.
I
wanted
to
point
this
out
to
you
senator
section
four
sub
d,
I'm
sorry
section
four
sub
two
adds
language
that
says
the
regulations
adopted
to
the
to
the
by
the
commission
must
address
without
limitations,
sewage
treatment,
effluent
and
disposal,
so,
yes,
that
would
be
in
actually.
I
would
like
to
ask
because
I
think
that
the
that
ndp
has
talked
to
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
about
this
kind
of
nexus
with
public
health
and
this
piece.
M
So
I
don't
know
if,
if
miss
carr
would
be
available
and
want
to
discuss
what
they,
how
they
kind
of
foresee
this
piece
working
out.
O
Good
afternoon
jennifer
carr
for
the
record
and
the
deputy
administrator,
the
thank
you
senator
bocaccio
for
your
questions
regarding
septic
systems.
M
Senator
I'm
sorry.
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
disassembly
woman
peter's
for
the
record
that
this
was
a
section
that
we
proposed
to
change
so
pulling
this
piece.
Sub
d
out
from
under
the
commission
shall
adopt
and
replacing
it
with
another
subsection,
two
that
the
commission
may
adopt.
So
this
isn't.
This
doesn't
require
the
commission
to
adopt
these
regulations.
It
allows
them
to
adopt
these
regulations
in
the
in
the
future.
N
A
A
I
don't
see
none,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
going
to
the
phone
line,
so
bps
is
there.
Anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
provide
support
for
ab4146.
B
B
P
For
the
record,
this
is
paul
selberg,
p-a-u-l,
s's
and
sam
e-l-b-ism
boy
erg
as
the
dry
state
in
the
nation
nevadans
place
a
high
value
on
our
water
resources.
The
state
has
a
responsibility
to
protect
the
quality
of
the
vatican's
water,
to
ensure
that
all
the
vatins
have
clean
water
to
drink
now
and
in
the
future.
According
to
the
nevada
division
of
environmental
protection,
non-point
source
pollution
is
the
leading
cause
of
water
quality
impairments
in
nevada.
Yet
the
state
currently
does
not
have
all
the
tools
it
needs
to
address
this
source
of
pollution.
P
This
would
help
ensure
that
water
quality
benefits
and
improvements
are
shared
by
all
nevadans
and
that
no
community
is
unfairly
subjected
to
higher
pollution
levels
or
lower
water
quality
people
and
communities
across
nevada
benefit
from
having
clean
water
to
drink
surface
water
accounts
for
about
60
percent
of
the
state's
water
supply.
Reducing
pollution
from
non-point
sources
would
improve
water
quality
across
the
state
resulting
in
cleaning,
cleaner
drinking
water,
lower
water
treatment
costs
and
safer
water
for
outdoor
recreation
activities.
P
B
A
B
B
P
Good
afternoon,
chair
donate
as
the
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
david
cherry,
spelled
b-a-b-I-d
c-h-e-r-r-y
and
I'm
government
affairs
manager
for
the
city
of
henderson.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
on
ab146,
and
I
want
to
thank
both
the
bill's
sponsor
and
chair
donate
for
taking
time
to
meet
with
me.
P
That
includes
city
governments
like
henderson,
to
ensure
that
the
municipal
perspective
is
considered
when
regulatory
actions
are
taken
that
create
new
compliance
standards
or
that
could
affect
the
rates
of
consumers
in
our
community
or
the
reliability
of
the
services
we
provide.
We
are
hopeful
that
the
bill
sponsor
may
still
be
willing
to
incorporate
this
requirement
into
a
b
force
146,
as
we
requested
prior
to
today's
hearing,
in
the
form
of
an
amendment
proposed
by
the
urban
consortium,
of
which
we
are
a
member.
I
still
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
this
testimony
with
you
today.
B
K
K
R-A-N-D-Y-R-O-B-I-S-O-N
we
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
today,
I'm
appearing
in
the
opposition
position
consistent
with
the
committee
rules.
I
think
we
very
much
appreciate
the
work
that
the
sponsor
has
allowed
us
to
to
work
on
with
her.
K
B
D
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
jake
tibbetts,
I'm
the
natural
resources
manager
for
eureka
county
and
it's
nice
to
be
here
in
person
today.
I
will
note
that
eureka
county
we
did
register
in
opposition,
but
we've
moved
to
neutral,
based
on
the
conceptual
amendment
that
was
presented
today.
D
Q
Q
briefly,
would
just
like
to
thank
senator
I'm
sorry,
assemblyman
peters,
for
working
so
closely
with
stakeholders
on
in
the
other
house.
We
did
have
issues
initially
upon
first
first
draft,
but
want
to
thank
her
again
for
working
with
stakeholders
to
bring
us
to
the
neutral
position
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
the
community
have.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
sir.
Anyone
else
all
right,
bps,
let's
go
ahead
and
please
proceed
to
anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
testify
in
neutral
on
ab146.
B
B
L
L
Oftentimes
local
governments
are
faced
with
implementation
of
certain
regulations
and
at
the
statutory
level,
it's
unclear
what
these
regulations
may
end
up
being
and
what
those
costs
could
be.
We
appreciate
the
sponsor,
including
that
these
factors
must
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
when
considering
these
regulations
at
the
appropriate
time
to
republic
hearing
process.
We
also
appreciate
the
changes
in
sections
four
and
six
that
allow,
rather
than
require
the
adoption
of
these
regulations
to
allow
the
state
to
bring
forward
those
regulations
that
are
needed
when
appropriate
and
have
an
opportunity
to
identify
where
gaps
exist.
L
We'd
support
the
concept
of
creating
a
technical
advisory
committee
with
municipality
involvement
as
well,
in
addition
to
our
appreciation
for
assemblywoman
peters
in
this
process,
we'd
like
to
thank
the
nevada
division
of
environmental
protection
for
meeting
with
us,
shedding
light
on
their
regulatory
process
and
inviting
us
into
that
process.
We
are
supportive
of
and
committed
to
water
quality
improvement
efforts
and
look
forward
to
working
with
assemblywoman,
peters
and
ndep
on
these
ongoing
and
critically
important
efforts
in
our
community.
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
provide.
B
L
Yes,
thank
you.
This
is
nina
laxalt
n-e-e-n-a-l-a-x-a-l-t
today,
on
behalf
of
nevada,
cattlemen's
association,
central
nevada,
regional
water
authority
and
humboldt
river
basin,
water
authority,
and
first
thing
I'd
like
to
say
is
the
common
theme
in
all
the
testimonies
heard
today
is
how
hard
the
sponsor
worked
to
to
reach
out
to
all
the
stakeholders
and
all
the
people
that
were
impacted,
and
we
would
like
to
really
extend
our
appreciation
to
her
for
that.
We
all
were
originally
opposed
to
this
bill
and
because
of
her
hard
work,
we
are
now
neutral.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
P
For
the
record,
my
name
is
doug
buffleman
d-o-u-g
b-u-s-s-e-l-m-a-n,
I'm
the
executive
vice
president
of
nevada
farm
bureau.
We
are
testifying
today
in
neutral
on
av-146.
We
also
testified
in
neutral
and
the
assembly
committee
after
working
extensively
with
assemblywoman
feeders,
to
address
our
specific
concerns
from
the
original
bill.
We
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
peters
for
her
willingness,
then,
as
well
as
for
the
additional
points
that
she
is
bringing
forward
now
to
improve
the
language.
Resolving
other
points
of
contention.
P
Nevada
farm
bureau
has
strong
policy
in
favor
of
dealing
with
diffuse
or,
in
our
terms,
non-point
source
impairments
of
water
quality,
with
voluntary
incentive-based,
best
management
practices.
We
believe
these
priorities
have
been
incorporated
into
where
we
are
today.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
share
our.
B
P
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
dave.
Dazlich
d-a-z-l-I-c-h,
director
of
government
affairs
for
the
vegas
chamber,
I'd
like
to
echo.
Some
of
the
comments
of
those
going
before
me
in
neutral
would
certainly
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
all
the
stakeholder
engagement
to
date
and
we're
happy
to
move
to
neutral
on
this
bill.
Thank
you.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
vps.
I
think
we
have
ms
carr
from
ndep.
Do
you
want
to
do
a
testimony
in
neutral,
or
are
you
good.
O
Thank
you
so
good
afternoon,
again,
jennifer
carr
for
the
record.
I
am
the
deputy
administrator,
as
I
said
earlier,
for
the
nevada
division
of
environmental
protection
and
we
are
testifying
in
neutral
on
av-146
as
introduced
av-146
directed
changes
to
several
event.
Eps
water
quality
programs,
ndep
identified
concerns
with
the
original
bill,
and
we
appreciated
the
assemblywoman's
work
to
resolve
many
of
those
items.
O
I
would
further
state
that
resolution
of
certain
items
in
the
original
bill
also
permitted
us
to
remove
our
original
fiscal
note,
as
we
believe
in
av-146,
and
its
first
reprint
can
be
implemented
with
existing
ndep
resources.
O
Nep
has
an
existing
law
head
protection
program.
That's
required
under
our
federal
delegation
of
the
safe
drinking
water
act
and
is
funded
by
the
us
epa.
This
program
has
developed
over
time
to
encompass
community
water
resource
protection
at
the
watershed
and
county
scale,
and
addresses
many
types
of
potential
contaminant
sources.
O
Systems
are
regulated
by
mdp
and
residential
subject.
Systems
are
regulated
by
the
department
of
human
health
under
nrs
444.
As
I
noted,
any
work
related
to
specifically
septic
systems
will
be
a
collaborative
effort
across
departments,
as
well
as
the
environmental
commission
and
the
state
board
of
health.
O
However,
the
idea
of
what
constitutes
a
disproportionate
impact
is
still
elusive
and
ep
seeks
more
specificity
on
such
terms
to
set
clear
expectations
and
resource
needs
for
program
implantation
thanks
for
your
time,
and
as
always,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
you
may
have
about
ndp's
water
quality
programs.
Thank
you.
M
Please
thank
you,
chair
assemblywoman
peters,
for
their
record.
I
never
thought
I'd
carry
around
a
briefcase
as
much
as
I
do
in
this
building.
I
would
just
like
to
extend
a
thanks
to
the
stakeholders,
bringing
together
all
of
the
folks
who
are
involved
in
non-point
source
management
and
groundwater
infiltration
and
treatment
of
water
in
this
state
during
a
pandemic
was
quite
the
feat
and
we
managed
to
do
it.
M
It
took
us
two
house
houses
and
nearly
two
house
passages
to
get
there,
but
I
feel
pretty
confident
that
we're
on
the
same
page
about
the
requirements
and
understanding
of
the
bill
and
the
purpose
of
this
bill,
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
this
bill
is
not
intended
to
change
the
way
we
do
things
directly
today.
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
substantive
management
practice
of
water
standards
as
they
occur
in
in
our
modern
times.
However,
we
are
a
water
limited
state.
M
A
Thank
you
much.
Thank
you.
So
much
assemblywoman
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
ab146
and
again.
The
committee
will
not
be
taking
any
action
today,
but
it
may
bring
it
back
for
a
future
work
session.
Let's
go
ahead
and
continue
with
our
last
item
or
last
bill.
We
have
assembly
bill
148,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
the
hearing
on
ab148.
A
This
measure
revises
provisions
governing
mining
assuming
william
peters.
Please
proceed.
M
Thank
you,
donate
and
members
of
the
subcommittee
on
natural
resources
or
on
the
senate
committee
on
natural
resources
for
the
record,
I'm
sarah
peters
representing
assembly
district
24
in
washoe
county.
It's
my
pleasure
to
present
assembly
bill
148
today,
which
revises
pro
provisions
governing
permits
to
engage
in
exploration
projects
and
mining
operations.
M
This
is
known
as
the
bad
actor
law.
The
united
states
economy
highly
depends
on
minerals
for
producing
everything
from
house
housing
materials
to
electric
vehicles.
Nevada
is
the
top
mineral
producing
state
in
the
united
states,
and
nevada
in
nevada
mining
contributed
11.2
billion
dollars
to
nevada's
economy
in
2019..
M
M
Lastly,
the
bill
further
prohibits
the
issuance
of
a
permit
if
the
applicant
is
not
in
good
standing
with
an
agency
of
another
state
or
a
federal
federal
agency
in
relation
to
an
exploration
project
or
mining
operation.
Good
standing
here
may
sound
like
a
vague
term.
However,
it
is
has
important
implications
in
the
case
of
an
exploration
or
mining
project.
There
can
be
a
variety
of
permits
and
regulatory
agencies
that
require
compliance.
M
These
areas
can
be
in
water
use
and
management,
air
pollution,
wildlife
protection
through
industrial
pond
permits
and
a
variety
of
others
depending
on
the
operation.
Each
of
these
permits
have
obligations
and
are
essentially
contracts
for
the
operator
in
a
certain
manner
or
for
operating
in
a
certain
manner.
M
A
violation
of
the
permit
terms
would
mean
to
be
outside
of
good
standing.
However,
I
have
not
come
across
a
modern
regulatory
agency
who
doesn't
work
with
the
permittee
on
work
plans
to
attain
compliance
when
violations
have
occurred.
I
will
use
jerk
canyon
as
an
example.
Jarrett
canyon
is
a
processing
facility
in
nevada
that
has
been
cited
out
of
compliance
for
its
air
quality
permits.
M
I
believe
the
demonstration
or
sorry
the
determination
of
in
good
standing
should
be
developed
through
the
regulatory
development
process
that
requires
public
hearings
and
requires
consideration
of
impacts
to
small
businesses,
among
other
things,
our
environmental
protection
division
has
the
expertise
and
know-how
to
define
the
terms
of
what
in
good
standing
means
in
relation
to
a
variety
of
permits
related
to
the
industry.
Although
I
know
some
stakes,
stakeholders
would
like
definitive
language
in
the
statute,
potentially
defining
timelines
and
narrowing
the
definition.
M
N
N
M
Thank
you
senator
for
the
question,
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record.
We
we
went
over
this
in
the
first
re,
the
first
revisions
to
the
bill
and
determined
that
an
affidavit
process
was
the
most
comprehensive
way
of
doing
this.
Without
putting
the
artist
on
the
state
of
nevada
to
research
and
review
every
person
who
is
involved
in
a
company,
it
can
be
up
to
the
company
to
sign
an
affidavit
saying
whether
or
not
they
or
their.
You
know.
M
The
people
who
are
involved
in
their
company
have
have
met
the
the
good
standing
terms
on
or
violated
the
good
standing
terms
on
any
of
their
permits
across
the
country,
and
we
expect
this
to
be
in
good
faith
right
without
malice
or
without.
I
don't
know
the
legal
terms
of
it
necessarily,
but
without
willfully
leaving
things
out
right
and
if
those,
if
they
do
end
up
leaving
those
things
out,
I
believe
there
are
provisions
in
the
bill
that
they
can.
The
permit
can
be
revoked.
A
H
Thanks
chair
bad
actors
in
nevada,
when
was
the
last
time
we
had
a
case
like
this,
where
a
company
abandoned
a
mine
and
declared
bankruptcy
or
whatever
and
walked
away,
and
it
wasn't
bonded
and
protected.
M
Thank
you
senator
for
the
question,
assemblywoman
peters,
for
the
record,
so
this
is
not
a
consistent
issue
that
we
see
today.
However,
in
neighboring
states
we
have
seen
cases
taken
up
in.
I
was
researching
today
as
recently
as
2018,
where
they
they
had
a
company,
come
in
with
a
player
who
had
been
a
bad
actor
in
a
devastating
reclamation
issue,
at
the
cost
of
like
70
million
dollars
to
the
state.
M
Now
we
have
in
the
state
of
nevada
a
robust
policy
around
the
reclamation
bonding
right,
so
we
don't
come
across
this
issue
as
frequently
as
we
would.
If
we
did
not
have
that.
However,
the
reciprocity
piece
allows
us
to
ensure
that
we
are
protecting
our
resources
from
people
who
are
known
to
abuse
them
in
other
states.
H
M
It
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
our
reclamation,
bonding
mechanisms
were
not
covering
the
cost
of
reclamation
for
the
sites
that
were
being
abandoned,
and
that
has
resulted
in
an
increased
robustness
of
that
program,
and
I
think
that
this
piece
of
legislation
adds
a
protective
layer
to
that,
ensuring
that
we
are
doing
our
due
diligence
right
as
a
state
not
requiring
not
relying
on
banks
or
bonding
reviews
to
tell
us
whether
or
not
a
company
is
a
a
good
actor
and
should
be
allowed
to
participate
in
the
natural
resource
use
of
our
state.
M
H
I
got
it
I
just
I'm
concerned
it
might
be
a
duplication
of
efforts
that
are
already
in
place
now,
like
you
said
there
haven't
been
any
cases
in
quite
a
while.
The
bonding
program
that
currently
exists
was
upgraded,
not
all
that
long
ago.
So
the
idea
that
we
could
have
bad
actors
showing
up
under
current
policy
seems
really
remote
to
me
but
appreciate
your
efforts.
Thank
you.
N
M
Absolutely
and
this
kind
of
follows
the
standards
that
have
been
set
in
montana,
for
what
the
expectations
are
of
meeting
the
reclamation
obligation
after
a
default
and
and
that
is
to
ensure
that
that
default
has
been
paid
off
right,
that
the
reclamation
isn't
remaining
a
remaining
financial
obligation
to
the
state
that
they
left
it
in
and
that
they
showed
that
the
the
issues
that
had
occurred
resulting
in
the
default
have
been
remedied.
So
that
they're
not
bringing
the
same
issues
to
the
state
of
nevada.
N
That
brings
to
mind
and
it's
a
possibility,
then,
if
they
had
a
site
in
another
state,
and
you
were
aware
that
we
were
aware
of
then
you
would
could
in
fact
fail
to
issue
them
a
permit
in
this
state.
Maybe
they
did
have
a
good
property
until
they
cured
for
in
an
adjacent
state.
So
maybe
there's
a
benefit
to
that
for
some
of
these
other
states
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
any
other
questions.
I
think
we're
good
for
now.
Let's
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
testimony
at
this
time,
we'll
go
first
to
as
a
reminder
again,
I
will
be
limiting
to
all
testifiers
in
two
minutes
each.
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
in
the
room
to
testify
and
support.
So
let's
go
ahead
to
the
phone
lines.
Bps.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
provide
support
testimony
for
av148.
B
B
L
These
mines,
polluted
surrounding
waterways,
with
cyanide,
arsenic
and
other
contaminants
prompting
water
treatment
measures
that
may
be
needed
permanently.
Mining
contamination
has
long-term
impacts
to
the
health
of
nevadans,
particularly
women's
reproductive
health.
We
cannot
hold
mining
bad
actors
accountable.
It
is
public
funding
that
is
required
to
clean
them
up.
This
is
a
common
sense
policy
which
will
only
impact
bad
actors
who
disregard
their
legal
obligations,
and
we
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
B
R
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-C-A-B-R-E-R-A
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
here
in
support
of
ab-148
mining
operations,
have
significant
and
long-lasting
impacts
to
our
land,
water
and
environment.
It
is
crucial
that
mining
companies
fully
reclaim
the
land
and
environmental
damages
they
have
caused
after
operations
have
ceased.
If
they
don't,
they
should
be
prevented
from
damaging
our
environment.
Further
ap
148
will
protect
nevada's
environment
and
taxpayers
from
future
degradation
and
expensive
reclamation
by
holding
bad
actors
accountable.
We
urge
the
committee
support.
Thank
you
for
your.
B
B
B
R
Thank
you
so
much
hi,
I'm
chelsea
hand,
I'm
the
outreach
and
program
coordinator
for
great
basin
resource
watch,
testifying
in
support
of
ab148
gbrw,
is
a
reno-based
non-profit,
public
interest
organization,
who's,
monitored
mining
and
extracted
industries,
primarily
in
nevada.
Since
1995.
R
R
Ab148
complements
our
existing
regulations
to
decrease
the
number
of
mines
that
will
be
poorly
run
by
identifying
what
are
called
bad
actors.
Gbrw
supports
that
a
company
needs
to
be
in
good
standing
in
both
reclamation
and
other
mining
regulations
in
order
to
cite
a
new
mining
operation
or
permit
the
expansion
of
an
existing
operation.
R
Further,
we
strongly
support
the
amended
language
that
the
company
must
be
in
good
standing
with
all
agencies
of
other
states
and
federal
agencies
in
relation
to
exploration
projects
outside
of
the
state.
Keeping
bad
actors
from
operating
lines
in
nevada
with
ab148
would
provide
a
highly
useful
mechanism
for
helping
to
ensure
that
mining
projects
are
as
accountable
as
possible
to
the
lands
and
ecosystems
they
are
extracting
from
in
our
state.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
bps.
Let's
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
opposition.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
zoom
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition.
Q
Good
afternoon,
chairman
donate
and
members
of
the
senate
committee
on
natural
resources,
my
name
is
tyree
gray,
t-y-r-e
g-r-a-y
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
nevada
mining
association
representing
400
members
that
make
up
nevada's,
modern
mining
supply
chain.
Nevada's
mining
industry
believes
that
there
is
value
in
making
it
known
that
the
world
to
the
world
that
nevada
has
closed
the
bad
actors.
In
fact,
nevada
has
spent
the
better
part
of
the
last
five
decades
developing
the
world's
leading
regulatory
structure
to
protect
against
just
that,
and
right
here
actually
have
a
a
document
that
chart.
Q
Yet
as
assemblywoman
peter
stated
on
march
17th
before
the
assembly
natural
resources
committee,
we
don't
want
good
actors
to
be
punished
for
bad
actors
and
if
we
can
help
it-
and
it
is
the
opinion
that
of
nevada
mining
industry-
that
we
can
help
it.
By
doing
what
mr
lobato
asks
for
from
ndep,
which
is
to
provide
specific
definitions
of
who
is
liable
under
the
statute
and
what
violations
rise
to
disqualification.
Q
Colorado
and
montana
are
the
two.
Only
other
states
that
have
taken
up
legislation
similar
to
ab148
these
states
limited
the
applicability
of
their
legislation
only
to
reclamation
and
specified
that
the
triggering
events
are
either
one
revocation
or
suspension
of
a
permit
or
two
for
a
feature
of
a
reclamation
bond.
We
believe
that
ab148
should
be
similarly
limited
in
order
to
actually
get
at
those
potential.
Q
Bad
actors,
though,
not
in
the
record
today,
out
of
respect
for
the
conversations
that
we've
had
with
assemblywoman
peters,
we
have
shared
with
her
an
amendment
that
meets
those
aims
advanced
by
the
sponsors
number
one
to
protect
nevada
from
bad
actors
and
number
two
to
protect
good
actors
from
liability.
Nevada's
mining
industry
is
committed
to
working
with
the
sponsors
and
hope
to
have
the
opportunity
to
amend
this
bill
so
that
we
can
all
stand
together
and
send
a
clear
message
around
the
world.
Nevada
supports
responsible
mining,
but
will
not
tolerate
bad
actors.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Mr
great
any
questions
from
the
committee
members
we're
good
to
proceed
all
right.
Bps!
Is
there
anyone
else
wishing
to
provide
testimony
and
opposition
to
this
bill.
B
P
P
While
mining
is
a
key
industry
in
nevada,
making
regulation
specifically
well-promulgated
regulation
extremely
necessary,
we
absolutely
do
not
want
to
be
hurting
the
good
actors.
While
we
are
keeping
the
bad
actors
out
of
nevada,
we
would
also
agree
with
recommended
definitions
from
ndep,
and
while
we
are
in
opposition
at
this
time,
we
would
hope
to
see
further
amendments
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
sponsor.
Thank
you.
B
A
Thank
you
so
much
bps.
Is
there
anyone
on
zoom
wishing
to
provide
testimony
in
neutral
on
this
bill?
I
think
we
have
mr
lovato.
If
you
want
to
please
proceed.
S
Several
of
our
implementation
concerns
were
resolved
by
the
amendments
reflected
in
reprint
one
dated
april
16..
However,
ndep
still
has
some
remaining
concerns
related
to
a
lack
of
what
we
view
as
critical
definitions
in
the
proposed
bill.
So
it's
very
important
to
make
sure
we
have
specifically
defined
who
would
be
subject
to
the
prohibition
on
issuance
of
a
permit
in
both
section
1,
subsection,
5
and
section
2,
subsection
5
of
the
first
reprint.
S
Those
would
prohibit
ndep
from
issuing
a
reclamation
permit
to
a
company
with
a
person
that
has
a
controlling
interest
unquote,
and
that
phrase
also
incorporates
other
entities,
including
quote
principal
officer,
partner,
director
or
trustee
of
a
corporation
or
business
entity.
Unquote,
however,
the
bill
language
does
not
further
define
any
of
those
terms
or
reference.
Other
sections
of
the
nrs
that
specifically
define
those
terms
ndp
is
concerned
that,
without
more
precisely
defining
those
terms
that
ndp
and
others
be
unable
to
determine
whether
all
of
these
persons
will
be
appropriately
and
consistently
identified.
S
Finally,
as
assembly,
one
of
noted
ndp
will
be
able
to
rely
on
affidavits
rather
than
performing
background
searches.
Thus,
we
have
not
identified
a
fiscal
impact.
We
are
available
to
continue
discussions
to
clarify
bill
language
to
address
our
concerns
and
I'm
able
to
answer
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
sir,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
question
from
senator
gokuchi.
N
S
Thank
you,
senator
chia,
gregor
for
the
record,
so
we
often
get
asked
the
question:
do
you
ever
deny
permits?
I
mean
people
want
to
know
if
we
actually
say
no
generally,
what
happens
is
if
someone's
applying
and
their
application
is
incomplete
or
we
keep
asking
them
questions
and
they're
unable
to
resolve
them.
Eventually
they
they
withdraw
their
application
or
don't
complete
it,
and
then
you
know
so
we
never
actually
formally
denied
their
permit,
but
effectively
their
application
was
denied.
So
you
know,
amongst
you,
know
all
the
folks
who
come
in
our
door.
S
You
know
we
have.
You
know
dozens,
if
not
hundreds
over
the
years.
You
know
it
may
have
discouraged
some
from
applying,
but
I
can't
really
give
you
a
number
if
that
makes
sense.
N
Yeah,
I
appreciate
that
and
of
course
clearly,
over
the
last
10
years,
there
have
been
some
projects
and
I
go
to
ray
gold
and
trying
to
remember
ignore
erickson's
operation
out
there
in
central
nevada.
You
know
that
actually
have
cost
the
state
some
money
or
at
least
went
back
to
the
reclamation
bonds.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
there
have
been
some
some
bad
actors
or
some
some
mining
projects
that
did
fail.
So.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
M
Please,
thank
you
assemblywomanpeters
for
the
record.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
sitting
through
all
of
this
with
me
tonight.
I
know
I
was
maybe
a
little
ambitious
and
taking
on
mining
and
water
in
the
same
session,
but
I
feel
like
it's
been
a
good
effort
and
folks
have
come
in
from
the
woodwork,
really
stakeholders
who
wouldn't
necessarily
show
up
at
this
venue
to
talk
about
these
important
issues
for
the
state
of
nevada.
In
this
particular
case,
I
just
want
to
respond
a
little
bit
to
the
nevada
mining
association's
comments
we
have
been
working
together.
M
They
provided
me
with
an
amendment
on
on
saturday
that
I'm
working
through
with
legal
there
are
some
pieces
of
that
that
I
am
amicable
to
that.
Would
resolve
ndep's
concerns
regarding
those
the
definitions
of
who
would
be
subject
to
the
revocation
or
denial
of
a
permit,
so
that
is
a
pending
a
pending
amendment
that
you,
I
hope
to
get
to
you
in
the
near
future.
M
So
with
that,
I
would
also
just
really
quickly
like
to
extend
my
broadest
appreciation
for
our
staff,
for
helping
me
get
through
the
legalese
and
the
definitions
within
these.
These
two
bills,
but
primarily
this
bill-
I
could
not
have
done
it
without
them.
They
are
amazing,
and
I
just
wanted
to
extend
that
that,
thanks
to
them.
A
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
and
I
think
we're
good
for
now
to
go
ahead
and
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
this
bill
and
again
we'll
not.
We
won't
be
taking
any
actions
today,
but
we
may
bring
it
back
for
your
future
work
session.
So
thank
you
so
much.
That's
only
going
peters
for
joining
us
today
and
always
appreciate
you.
So
thank
you.
A
Let's
go
ahead
and
before
we
close
out,
go
to
public
comment,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
call
for
a
public
comment,
and
please
remember
to
limit
your
remarks
to
two
minutes.
Each
is
there
anyone
in
on
the
lines
that
would
like
to
provide
public
comment
at
this
time.