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A
C
A
A
By
now,
the
legislative
building
remains
closed
to
the
public
and
all
of
the
committee
meetings
will
be
held.
Virtually
committee
members
staff
and
everyone
else
will
be
participating
either
through
zoom
or
by
telephone
for
all
the
committee
members.
If
you
could,
please
silence
your
phones,
but
please
leave
your
cameras
on
so
we
can
maintain
a
quorum
throughout
the
presentation
and
if
you
wish
to
testify
on
today's
any
of
the
budgets
today
make
comments
public
comment.
You
can
do
so
by
logging
into
our
website
and
signing
in
on
nellis.
A
So
in
the
interest
of
time
we
will
move
to
our
first
budget
in
our
presentation,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
director
caferetti
from
dieter
to
our
committee.
You
have
the
floor
and
we're
ready
to
get
started
whenever
you
are.
E
We
are
here
to
present
four
of
our
budget
accounts
today
and
with
me
I
have,
let's
see
I
have
jeff
frishman,
who
is
with
the
a
consultant
with
the
employment
security
division.
I
have
jenny,
castleman,
our
deputy
director
and
chris
sewell,
our
ceo
and
legislative
liaison.
E
I
also
have
david
schmidt,
the
chief
economist
kitty,
dissocio,
our
chief
financial
officer,
troy
jordan,
our
chief
legal
counsel,
nancy
sinclair,
our
esd
deputy
administrator,
carlene
johnson.
Our
excuse
you
what
our
two
deputy
administrators
in
the
employment
security
division,
who
I
just
always
rely
on
and
online.
We
have
marilyn
dermont,
who
runs
our
who
is
the
administrator
for
it.
Division,
and
I
believe
that
is
all
of
the
folks.
We
have
online
to
answer
questions
for
you.
Should
they
come
up.
E
We
are
presenting
four
budgets
today
and
we'll
go
through
those
now
for
the
next
slide.
As
you
all
know,
dieter
is
nevada's
lead,
workforce
development
agency.
Our
mission
is
to
focus
on
empowering
nevadans
in
building
economic
prosperity
in
every
community.
E
With
programs
that
protect
against
discrimination
in
the
workforce,
to
employ
and
train
nevadans
and
to
connect
people
with
disability
to
employment
and
education
supports
on
the
next
page,
you
can
see
our
high
level
organization
chart.
The
budgets
we're
looking
at
today
are
3272,
which
is
the
dieter
administration
budget,
as
well
as
three
budgets
in
the
employment
security
division,
you'll
be
hearing
other
budgets
on
other
days
before
we
get
started
with
this
specific
budget.
We
just
wanted
to
mention.
E
So
we
will
be
happy
to
answer
all
your
questions,
but
just
know
ours
is
definitely
a
work
in
progress
that
continues
so
budget
account.
3272
covers
the
administrative
services
for
all
of
dieter
and
the
administrative
services
division.
These
are
the
teams
that
basically
keep
all
of
the
dieter
programs
up
and
running,
including
our
fiscal
management
team.
Public
outreach,
I.t
support
human
resources,
audit
and
operations
management
on
the
next
slide.
E
When
you
see
these
supports
for
hr
and
fiscal,
that
those
are
cost
allocated
positions,
so
those
will
actually
be
fine-tuned
all
the
way
to
the
very
end
when
we
finalize
our
final
numbers,
we
know
that
you
had
some
questions
about
the
benefits
of
moving
owen
to
dieter
and
since
we're
we're
here-
and
we
have
the
opportunity
and
we'd
just
like
to
to
state
on
the
record
that
the
fiscal
and
hr
systems
for
the
state
are
extremely
complex
and
streamlining
owen
into
dieter
will
provide
significant
benefits
in
terms
of
just
the
operational
efficiencies.
E
We
don't
know
that
you'll
save
a
lot
of
money,
because
it's
the
same
number
of
staff
doing
the
work
and
we
all
will
continue
to
do
our
work.
But
in
terms
of
the
process
for
grants
and
budgets,
invoices
bill,
paying
cost
allocation
and
financial
reporting.
There
will
be
significant
benefits
for
both
owen
and
dieter
and
were
able
to
take
out
the
department
of
administration
as
sort
of
the
in
between
of
the
process.
E
So
that
will
be
a
significant
improvement
for
not
only
our
agencies,
but
also
for
the
nevadans
who
are
relying
on
these
workforce
programs
and,
in
addition,
just
the
expertise.
The
access
to
the
folks
who
know
these
programs
best
and
our
ability
to
streamline
and
put
together
programs
and
responses
will
be
significantly
improved.
So
we
are
definitely
in
support
of
the
move.
E
So
in
budget
3272,
the
govrek
budget
request
has
the
following
three
enhancements.
First
of
all
is
e-240,
which
is
the
funding,
as
I
noted,
to
cover
the
hr
and
fiscal
costs
for
the
owen
staff
being
moved
to
dieter.
E
The
second
one
is
e-241,
which
is
similar.
It's
the
hr
and
fiscal
costs
for
moving
the
nevada,
p20
workforce
reporting
program
to
dieter
and
the
third
one
is
e710,
which
is
equipment,
replacement,
hardware
and
software
per
the
eats
replacement
schedule,
which
is
a
standard
item
that
you'll
see
in
most
budgets
on
the
next
slide.
E
So
that
is
why
you'll
see
this
position
here
and
the
second
one,
e806
reclassifies
a
position
in
the
fiscal
management
staff
to
align
the
positions
with
the
duties
that
it
is
conducting
and
also
you've
heard
this
many
times
make
it
easier
for
us
to
recruit
and
fill
the
position
and
have
a
position
that
has
more
than
one
career
advancement
opportunity.
E
A
C
I've
had
this
conversation
about
owen
for
a
very,
very
long
time
since
2017,
when
it
first
started,
I
always
had
serious
concerns
about
how
it
was
put
together
and
what
its
mission
was
going
to
be
the
original
intent.
If
I
remember
it
correctly,
was
basically,
we
were
taking
some
functions
out
of
dieter
and
putting
them
in
this
separate
owen
account
to
perform
those
functions
at
a
different
level,
so
these
were
originally
dieter
functions
and
now
they're
going
back
and
I'm
happy
to
see
them
going
back,
because
I
think
this
is
where
they
belong.
C
E
I
don't
know
if
linda
is
on
the
alisa
cappareta,
for
the
record,
we're
just
checking
to
see
if
our
other
workforce
person
is
on
the
line.
I
am
okay
linda.
Would
you
like
to
respond
to
assemblywoman
carlton.
B
Sure
lynn,
department,
administrator
of
the
employment
security
division
for
the
record,
moving
the
owen
stuff
into
dieter.
I
think,
will
actually
expedite
the
work
that
they're
doing
right
now.
They
don't
get
the
benefit
of
the
resources
within
dieter
to
make
sure
they
understand
all
of
the
rules
and
regulations
that
go
along
with
the
funding
that
they
receive,
and
so
there
is
a
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
in
trying
to
educate
as
far
as
the
grants.
I
I
think
that
that
again
I
don't
think
that
would
be
a
duplication.
B
There
are
a
lot
of
manpower
stuff
that
I
understand
would
not
be
coming
over
with
this
unit,
and
so
it
would
just
be
the
existing.
I
think
five
staff
and
so
dieter
would
absorb
the
rules
of
some
of
the
manpower
contracted
staff
as
well.
C
So
the
contract
is
jeff
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
if
I
could
follow
up
on
just
a
couple
to
kind
of
wrap
this
whole
thing
up,
so
the
manpower
staff
will
go
away.
C
These
functions
that
deter
was
performing
in
2015
2016
before
owen
was
moved,
are
going
to
go
back
so
we're
putting
kind
of
rearranging
everything
and
putting
it
all
back
where
it
actually
started
from.
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
is
going
to
be.
How
does
this
affect
the
p20
workforce?
C
Reporting
and
council
is?
Is
that
going
to
go
back
in
and
also
one
of
the
biggest
issues
when
owen
was
created?
Was
the
state
apprenticeship,
council
and
those
that
have
been
on
this
committee?
For
a
while
have
heard
me
talk
about
the
apprenticeship
council?
A
lot?
Where
is
the
apprenticeship
council
going
to
end
up?
Is
it
going
to
go
back
under
the
labor
commissioner.
B
Lynn
department
for
the
record
employment
security
division
administrator-
I
am
I
have
my
understanding-
is
that
all
of
owen
is
coming
over
to
dieter,
but
I
don't
know
the
intricate
details
of
that.
The
to
address
your
first
question.
The
p20
workforce
reporting
program,
I
think,
would
benefit
greatly
from
being
in
deter
because
we
have
our
research
and
analysis
group
that
understands
and
and
has
worked
with,
that,
similar
type
of
data
as
the
administrator
and
and
a
lot
of
history
in
my
background
is
in
workforce.
B
I
think
we
could
make
a
lot
better
use
of
that
data.
I
think
there
are
improvements
that
we
could
make
to
the
system
working
with
our
research
and
analysis
group
and
trying
to
get
more
resources
in
the
rest
into
that,
so
that
there
are
better
matches
and
so
that
we
can
do
more
concrete
reporting.
B
As
far
as
the
apprenticeship
council,
I
I
don't
know,
if
that's
going
back
to
the
labor
commissioner,
I
had
not
heard
that
if
it
comes
to
dieter,
I
I
don't
see
any
changes
to
the
council.
I'm
not
sure
I
could
address
any
more
questions
regarding
that,
specifically.
C
And
thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
It
just
seems
as
though
we're
kind
of
putting
things
back
where
they
started,
that
that
would
be
one
of
the
pieces
that
we
would.
It
worked
worked
well
there.
I
think
we
were
in
good
shape.
C
So
that
would
be
a
discussion
point
that
I
guess
we
would
need
to
talk
with
the
folks
who
are
going
to
make
that
final
decision
and
then
my
final
question
manager
is.
When
will
we
see
the
budget
amendment
because
we
know
that
time
is
an
issue.
E
Do
you
want
to
take
that
or
you
want
me?
This
is
alisa
capperetta
with
theater
we
are.
We
have
been
working
with
the
gfo
late
into
the
night
last
night
and
desperately
trying
to
get
it
finalized.
So
we
will
have
it
to
you
absolutely
as
soon
as
we
can,
and
it
just
is
a
matter
of
sharing
a
lot
of
information,
and
that
is
constantly
changing.
But
we
will
get
that
to
you
as
quickly
as
we
can
possibly
can.
C
A
D
D
And
excuse
me:
well,
we
get
the
slides
going
up
for
you
there
you
go
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
D
The
this
outlines
our
vision
mission
and
overview
for
the
employment
security
division.
The
vision
is
creating
success
for
nevada
businesses
and
nevadans.
Our
mission
is:
we
exist
to
empower
a
vibrant
labor
market
in
nevada
by
creating
business
and
worker
connections,
with
high
quality,
demand-driven
services,
overview
of
the
employment
security
division.
We
administer
programs
that
promptly
pay
unemployment,
insurance
benefits,
promote
an
effective
tax
system
and
improve
the
employment
stability
of
those
collecting
unemployment
insurance.
D
The
next
slide,
please,
this
slide
is
a
quick
program
overview
of
our
work
chart
and
primarily
how
we
are
organized
within
the
unemployment
insurance
program.
The
next
slide,
please,
this
slide
is:
has
a
chart.
That's
an
overview
of
our
staffing
levels
in
the
three
budget
accounts
in
which
I
will
present
today.
D
D
D
Federal
rules
require
the
division
to
treat
p,
and
I
that's
typically
what
we
refer
to
this
fund
as
p.
I
penalties
and
interest
as
program
income
funds
and
is
prohibitive
in
the
use
of
the
funds
program.
Income
is
revenue
derived
by
the
work
and
actions
of
the
program
and
should
be
used
by
the
program
for
the
sole
benefit
of
the
program.
D
When
the
p
I
is
used
for
non-administration
purposes,
the
cost
of
the
collection
of
those
funds
must
be
paid
for,
with
funding
other
than
federal
ui
administration
funding.
The
use
of
the
revenue
historically
revenue
in
budget
account.
4771
has
been
used
to
cover
expenditures
for
which
federal
funds
have
been
requested,
but
not
yet
received
costs
to
administer
employment
security
laws
that
may
not
be
charged
against
federal
grants
and
the
capital
improvement
of
agency-owned
buildings
and
grounds
next
slide.
D
Units
contained
within
this
budget
account
are
e-238
which
requests
funding
for
msa
to
to
work
on
uinv,
which
is
our
ui
operating
system
to
provide
updates
and
stabilization
of
that
system
and
e730,
which
requests
capital
improvements
to
agency,
agency-owned
buildings
and
grounds.
A
C
Thank
you
chair,
thank
you
for
the
explanation
and
I
recognize
that
this
has
been
a
complex
situation
for
a
challenging
time
and
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
technology
piece,
so
I
think
we
need
to
dig
in
there,
so
we
know
that
the
rapid
response
strike
force
recommended
a
update
of
the
system.
So
what
actions
are
we
planning
to
take
if
any
towards
that
recommendation.
D
D
They
have
an
it
group
itsy
which
came
in
and
did
a
comprehensive
review
of
our
current
system,
making
recommendations
moving
forward
with
that
system.
E
This
is
elisa
caferetta
to
follow
up
on
that
they
they,
they
recommend
two
sort
of
a
two-pronged
approach.
One
is
immediate
stabilization
and
you
will
see
not
in
this
budget
but
other
budgets
that
the
governor
has
earmarked
some
money
from
from
the
p
I
fund
for
stabilization
sort
of
a
immediate
fixes
in
the
system
to
make
it
process
more
quickly
and
then
the
the
second
recommendation
of
the
study
from
naswa
was
that
we
built
a
new
system,
as
you
know,
in
the
state,
with
state
purchasing
roles
and
rfps.
E
E
E
C
There
isn't
money
in
the
governor's
recommended
budget
for
that
at
this
time,
but,
like
many
things,
we're
waiting
to
see
what
the
federal
package
is
going
to
be
or
what
federal
opportunities
there
might
be
to
cover
that
rather
large
nut,
that's
going
to
be
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
Is
that
accurate.
E
Caprada
for
the
record,
as
I
noted,
there
is
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
the
gov
wreck
budget,
but
the
the
fully
modernized
the
system
is.
We
have
not
identified
a
funding
source
for
that.
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
once
again,
senator
ratty
always
asks
my
favorite
questions.
She
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
likes,
so
I
was
going
to
ask
that
question
so
I'll
follow
up
with
a
second
question
in
regards
to
just
reserves.
How
much
do
you
have
in
reserves
right
now?
How
much
do
you
anticipate
having
by
the
end
of
this
biennium,
and
what
are
you
required
to
keep
in
reserve.
B
Those
amendments
that
are
happening
normally
it's
30
to
60
days,
dieter
itself
does
not
and
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
apologize.
I
don't
know
what
the
nrs
suggests,
but
dieter
is
in
the
process
of
developing
our
own
internal
procedure
and
policy
for
our
fund
reserve
balances,
depending
on
the
account
type.
E
A
E
This
particular
budget
account
is
not
one
we
would
have
a
reserve
in
per
se.
Traditionally
we
and
what
other
states
generally
do
with
this
fund
is
use
it
as
a
loan.
So
we
would
take
money
out
of
the
pni
to
pay
for
ramping
up,
for
example,
to
respond
to
an
emergency
and
then
pay
it
back
with
funds
that
come
in
later.
So
the
this
specific
budget
item
is
operates
a
little
bit
differently
than
some
of
the
others.
Yeah.
B
A
kitty
disassociated
for
the
for
the
record
chief
financial
officer
for
dinner.
I
apologize
in
this
particular
account.
B
C
B
Yes,
thank
you,
and,
and
so
going
into
this
biennium,
you
you're
thinking
that
we
are
at
the
beginning
of
this
biennium
reserve
of
19.
B
B
Ma'am,
okay
and
and
so
going
into
this
biennium
it's
19
million,
and
then
I
have
some
notes
here
that
we're
projecting
another
9.5
million
increase
and
to
17.6
million
in
fy
2023.
So
would
that
be
additional?
On
top
of
the
19
million
that
we
have
today
that
we
would
be
projecting
another
17
million?
On
top
of
that
that
we
would
end
up
with
by
the
end
of
23..
F
Record,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
our
rna
specialist
dave
schmidt
to
answer
that
question
he's
actually
the
one
responsible
for
those
projections,
dave
schmidt
for
the
record
chief
economist
for
dieter,
not
having
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
I
think
what
we
would
expect
to
see
is
probably
about
9.5
million
total
over
the
biennium.
I
think
our
penalties
and
interest
has
been
running
about
four
and
a
half
to
five
million
dollars
in
revenue
each
year
and
without
major
expenses,
except
for
the
sorts
of
enhancements
that
are
in
this
budget.
B
And
thanks
for
the
explanation
of
how
these
reserve
funds
are
used
internally
in
in
ways
that
may
be
different
than
other
accounts,
I
I
appreciate
that
and
certainly
can
understand
the
burden
that
you
all
have
faced
in
regards
to
the
use
and
needs
of
those
funds,
but
any
clarity
in
that
process
and
any
more
information
that
you
could
provide
to
the
committee,
I
think,
would
be
helpful.
A
Thank
you
for
the
questions.
We
have
a
question
from
assemblyman
roberts.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
actually
some
of
it
was
asked
by
senator
raddy
regarding
the
upgrade
in
the
computer
system
and
it
seems
pretty
expensive.
But
while.
B
It's
three
times
as
much
almost
or
twice
as
much
and
just
curious
as
to
I
see
the
you
know
the
high
cost,
and
is
that
really
going
to
make
huge
improvements
to
the
security
of
the
system,
access
to
the
system
and
fix
some
of
the
the
issues
that
we
certainly
saw
during
this
last
year?
And
I
see
it's
it's
pretty
expensive
also
to
maintain
it
three
to
five
million
a
year.
B
So
so
I
hope
I
hope
it
hits
all
the
bells
and
whistles.
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
just
quickly.
C
Dr
marilyn
delmont
I.t
administrator
for
dieter
for
the
record.
Yes,
the
botanized
system
will
be
a
cloud-based
system,
so
it
will
have
all
the
bells
and
whistles
of
modernization
not
only
for
internal
staff
to
use,
but
also
for
claimants,
and
anyone
that
has
to
interact
with
that
system
faster
processing,
faster
delivery
of
computing
services,
as
well
as
a
lower
cost
in
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
that
system
and
and
and
easier
and
faster
scalability.
C
In
the
event
that
we
have
to
rapidly
scale
up
you
know
or
or
down.
We
would
have
that
flexibility
to
do
that.
B
C
Okay,
so
the
with
the
rfp
process
after
the
rfp
which,
as
director
caprara
mentioned
earlier,
that
could
take
quite
a
while.
So
we
anticipate
that
would
take
anywhere
from
nine
months
to
a
year
to
actually
get
that
rfp
and
get
something
awarded
from
the
date
of
that
award.
I
should
take
anywhere
from
three
to
four
years
to
realize
a
new
system.
C
At
the
same
time
as
we're
you
know,
going
through
the
rfp
process
and
implementing
a
new
system.
We
still
will
have
the
original
system,
some
care
and
feeding
for
that,
and
we
have
to
have
that
stabilized
as
well.
But
yes
we're
talking
about
at
least
about
three
and
a
half
to
four
years
out
before
we
actually
see
a
new
system
from
the
time
of
the
an
award.
E
And
madam
chair,
if
I
might
follow
up
alisa
capra
that
with
jeter
to
follow
on
to
what
dr
delmont
said,
one
of
the
reasons
we're
looking
at
a
cloud-based
system
is
that
then
you,
you
have
much
more
ability
to
adapt
and
change
your
programming
right
now
we're
we're
working
on
a
system
with
with
what
is
has
been
described
as
vintage
code,
which
is
not
a
virtue
in
a
computer
system.
E
So
every
time
we
which
we
add
a
new
program
when
we
do
computer
programming,
it's
it's
very
frustrating.
We
understand
for
claimants,
but
we
have
to
put
that
coding
into
sort
of
the
existing
book
of
coding
and
then
usually
we
find
out
that
something
happened
that
wasn't
exactly
what
we
wanted.
So
we
have
to
fine-tune
it.
The
ability
in
a
cloud-based
system
is
that
you
can
test
without
sort
of
interrupting
your
regular
coding
and
right
now.
E
Every
time
we
add
new
programming
it,
it
actually
slows
down
the
processing
of
the
existing
system
and
a
cloud
system
would
not
have
that
challenge.
We.
We
certainly
don't
know
what
the
future
of
computing
looks
like,
but
I
believe
that
moving
to
a
cloud-based
modernized
system
would
allow
us
to
continue
to
adapt
the
system
over
time
and
not
have
to
sort
of
replace
the
system
every
10
years,
which
is
sort
of
what
the
traditional
model
of
computer
programming
has
been.
E
C
Raddy,
thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
interested
actually
in
the
funding
source,
the
penalties
and
interest.
I
know
just
having
heard
from
constituents
that
we've
we
had
some
folks
who
were
overpaid.
C
I
think
that
there
was
a
lot
of
confusion
early
on
who
qualified
for
what,
and
I
know
that
the
very
good
decision
that
was
made
on
the
part
of
your
team
was
to
let's
just
get
some
people
paid,
but
then
I
think
it
also
then
resulted
in
some
folks
who
were
paid,
who
maybe
didn't
qualify
for
those
benefits,
and
then
we
had
to
go
back
to
them
and
say:
okay,
now
you
have
to
give
those
back.
C
I
guess
I
didn't
realize
until
just
this
hearing
that
they
would
have
to
pay
interest
on
that
if
they
were
not
able
to
pay
that
back
and
assuming
that
you
know
folks,
don't
have
employment
and
are
having
some
financial
challenges.
That
might
be
a
problem.
C
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
summarize,
since
I
get
this
question,
were
we
able
to
do
some
things
to
take
care
of
folks
who,
by
no
fault
of
their
own,
just
because
it
was
a
little
confusing
in
the
beginning,
perhaps
more
than
a
little
confusing
in
the
beginning,
with
all
the
new
programs?
And
we.
B
A
C
Decisions
to
err
on
the
side
of
getting
people
money
that
we
don't
don't
have
too
many
folks
out
there
who
are
saddled
with
interest-
and
I
know
that
that's
a
funding
source
that
we
now
use
now
that
I
understand
this
budget,
but
just
wondering
how
we're
able
to
take
care
of
people
who
not
by
fraud
but
by
confusion,
ended
up
with
benefits.
Perhaps
they
didn't
qualify
for.
E
Thank
you.
This
is
the
lisa
capretta
for
the
record.
Just
to
start
off,
I
would
say
we
don't
really
count
on
overpayments
and
and
interest
from
overpayments
as
a
funding
source
for
the
program.
E
It
just
is
part
of
the
whole
process
and
one
of
the
things
I'd
say
is
despite
the
fact
that
claims
and
benefits
have
increased
beyond
anything,
we
would
ever
imagine
you'll
see
in
our
projections
we're
not
projecting
a
huge
spike
in
overpayment
and
interest
coming
into
the
the
penalties
in
interest
trust
fund,
because
that
we're
not
banking
on
that,
and
that
is
not
the
approach.
E
So
what
I
would
say
is
that,
until
until
the
continued
assistance
act
passed
at
the
end
of
december,
we
were
not
able
to
even
waive
overpayments
in
the
pool
program
or
in
the
lost
wages
program.
So
that
was
something
newly
that
was
passed.
One
of
the
many
new
programs
that
was
passed
with
the
continued
assistance
act.
E
E
So
there's
an
existing
process
for
overpayments
in
regular
ui
and
we
are
setting
up
and
we're
actually
working
right
now
to
sort
of
streamline
and
make
the
overpayment
request
for
the
request
for
an
overpayment
waiver
in
pua
and
lost
wages
easier
as
well,
because
we
think
that
there
were
people
who
were
paid
through
no
fault
of
their
own,
and
it
is
not
our
intention
to
penalize
those
folks
at
all.
So
so
that
process
is
coming
online.
E
F
Clarify
that
the
primary
source
of
revenue
for
this
is
not
any
penalties
or
interest
on
claimants.
Those
do
come
into
this
fund,
but
by
far
the
largest
sources
of
the
revenue
here
deal
with
late
reports
and
late
payments
by
employers
and
the
interest
that's
assessed
if
an
employer
is
delinquent
in
filing
their
quarterly
unemployment
contribution
reports
and
delinquent
in
paying
the
contributions
on
those
reports,
the
interest
that's
assessed
for
those.
A
F
By
far
the
lion's
share
of
all
the
revenue,
in
this
account
and
by
comparison,
any
interest
on
claim
and
overpayments
is,
is
really
quite
small.
C
Thank
you
bless
you
miss
caffarotto,
so
I
so
I'm
just
following
up
on
that,
because
I
believe
this
is
a
very
important
conversation.
So,
legally,
prior
to
december,
you
were
required
to
charge
interest
to
somebody
who
had
been
overpaid
and
was
paying
it
back.
But
now
you
have
the
authority
to
not
do
that
and
you've
always
had
a
waiver
that
people
could
apply
for.
C
But
if
you
have
to
actually
assess
the
interest,
tell
them
that
they
owe
the
interest
and
then
they
have
to
apply
for
the
waiver
to
be
able
to
have
that
interest
waived.
And
I
understand
it's
not
the
major
funding
source
and
we
definitely
do
not
want
to
leave
the
impression
in
this
hearing
that
if
this
is
your
major
funding
source,
but
for
those
folks
who
do
get
overpaid
they're
going
to
get
a
notice
that
says
you
were
overpaid,
you
need
to
pay
it
back
and
if
you
can't
pay
it
back
apply
for
this
waiver.
C
D
Jeff
freshman
for
the
record,
the
overpayment
forgiveness
or
waiver
for
the
regular
ui
program
has
always
been
an
effect
when
a
claimant
receives
a
notice
for
overpayment.
F
D
Are
given
a
phone
number
for
our
benefit
payment
control
unit
to
and
they're,
given
an
opportunity
number
one
to
set
up
a
payment
plan?
If
that
is
an
alternative
for
them
and
number
two.
If
they
can
demonstrate
that
the
payment
of
the
repayment
of
the
overpayment
would
cause
a
financial
hardship,
they
are
able
to
request
a
waiver
from
the
entire
amount,
so
that
has
always
been
available
to
anybody
who
received
an
overpayment
in
the
ui
program
until
january.
D
The
pua
program
did
not
allow
us
to
waive
overpayments.
This
is
new
that
just
took
effect
in
january.
Certainly
we're
working
through
the
processes
in
order
to
set
up
the
process
in
which
to
request
waivers
for
the
lwa.
The
law
lost
wages
program
along
with
the
pua
program,
so
that
is
something
that
is
a
process
that's
being
developed.
Now
it's
new
one
of
the
things
that
was
a
requirement,
and
then
the
guidance
from
the
federal
government
from
the
dol
was
that
we
can't
blanket
forgive
these.
E
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
just
add
some
additional
detail,
because
we
we
started
talking
about
the
waiver
specifically,
but
in
terms
of
the
notice
to
constituents
and
we
we
we
do
ultimately
want
to
go
back
and
rewrite
a
lot
of
our
notices,
which
are
not
very
claimant-friendly
to
be
sure.
But
they
are
the
existing
approved
notices
and
it
actually
requires
computer
programming
to
change
them.
E
So
it's
a
little
bit
slower,
but
the
first
thing
that
they
get
when
they
get
a
notice
of
an
overpayment
is
included
in
the
notice
of
overpayment
is
instructions
about
how
to
appeal
that
decision.
So
the
first,
the
first
step
a
claimant
can
take
is
to
say
we
think
that
this
decision
was
made
in
error.
E
And
so
we
are
I'm
appealing
the
decision
that
there
is
an
overpayment
in
the
first
place.
That's
the
first
step
and
what
we
are
working
on
right
now
is
adding
because
you
you
get
that
appeal
information
and
you
get
information
about
how
to
set
up
a
payment
plan.
We
want
to
add
a
third
form
to
that
which,
which
also
is
the
waiver
option.
If
you,
if
you
acknowledge
that
you
possibly
were
overpaid,
then
there's
the
third
step,
which
is
is.
B
E
It
but
you
before
any
of
that
you
can
say
I
don't
think
I
was
overpaid
in
any
case
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
mention
that
is,
we
know
and
we've
discussed
in
previous
meetings.
People
are
getting
10.99
for
benefits
that
they
purportedly
received,
but
they
never
applied
for
unemployment,
and
this
is
a
1099
showing
a
fraudulent
somebody
fraudulently
applied
in
our
name
and
received
benefits.
E
So
we're
we're
also
looking
at
this
is
a
whole
new
category.
If
you
never
applied
for
benefits,
somebody
fraudulently
got
them
and
got
some
payment,
and-
and
you
may,
in
addition
to
that,
1099
also
get
an
overpayment,
so
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
department
of
labor
to
see
if
there's
a
an
another
category
which
has
never
existed
to
this
point,
which
is
you
know,
you
shouldn't,
have
to
appeal
or
ask
for
a
waiver
this.
E
This
is
a
completely
invalid,
overpayment
and
claim,
because
you
never
applied
for
these
benefits
that
so,
as
usual,
it's
even
more
complicated
than
it
historically
has
been,
but
but
you
may
get
questions
from
constituents
and
what
we
are
suggesting
folks
do
is
fill
out
the
form
with
the
on
the
dieter
website
that
that
they
know
this
is
fraudulent.
E
B
Madam
chair,
yes
yeah,
I
did
have
my
hand
raised.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
know
if
you
were
looking
at
the
hand
raised
or
not,
but
I
had
to
have
a
question.
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Sorry,
I'll
get
on
that
group
chat
again.
So
the
question
I
had
it
and
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
senator
raddy's
question
the
biggest
complaint
I
get
from
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
are
dealing
with
the
overpayment
is
the
fact
that
they
may
not
have.
They
may
have
actual
benefits
in
ui,
but
they
got
paid
in
pua,
and
so
you
know
if
we
had
something
like
accident
forgiveness,
where
you
were
able.
F
B
Are
you
looking
to
try
and
combine
all
the
systems
together?
The
pua
ui
sticking
talked,
you
know
back
and
forth
to
each
other
and
then
there's
also
dua
out
there
somewhere
as
well.
You
know
maybe
going
forward
can't
we
have
those
systems
talking
to
each
other.
B
F
D
Other
krishnan
for
the
record,
you
are
absolutely
correct
that
currently
our
pua
system
is
separate
and,
as
a
stand-up
alone
was
spit
up
alone
and
does
not
interact
with
our
uimv
system
there.
We
have
been
looking
at
ways
that
we
could
possibly
have
the
systems
talk
to
each
other.
Of
course
that's
going
to
take
a
tremendous
amount
of
programming
and
that's
all
comes
down
to
money
and
time.
B
Asked
this
question:
how
much
are
you
talking
about
needing
in
order
to
update
our
system?
Is
it.
D
A
D
Budget
jeff
freshman
for
the
record
budget
account
4772
is
the
unemployment
insurance
program,
the
account
overview.
The
division
collects
state
unemployment,
taxes
from
employers
and
deposits
collections
in
the
unemployment
insurance
trust
fund.
These
funds
can
only
be
used
to
pay
unemployment
benefits
to
eligible
claimants,
with
nevada
wages.
D
D
This
area
includes
employer
registration
field,
audit
compliance
collections,
annual
tax
rates
calculations,
billing
records
maintenance
and
processing
over
80
000
employer
tax
reports
and
payments
received
each
quarter.
The
ui
benefits
section
administers
benefits
and
temporary
wage
replacement
to
eligible
nevadans
financed
through
employer
payroll
taxes.
D
Budget
account
4772
our
enhance
next
slide.
Please
thank
you.
Chris
budget
accounts
4772
our
enhancement
unit.
E710
is
equipment
replacement.
This
is
primarily
for
aged
and
outdated
computers,
the
regular
computer
replacement
schedule
and
e
800.
This
request
provides
funding
for
anticipated
enhancement
unit
expenditures
based
on
details
on
the
year
cost
allocation
schedule,
in
conjunction
with
budget
account
4772.
D
I
would
also
like
to
present
a
description
of
our
budget
amendment,
which
is
we're
working
with
the
governor's
finance
office.
The
amendment
is
focused
on
staffing
costs.
Only.
D
D
E-225
is
a
continuation
of
92
intermittent
ftes.
These
this
staff
includes
in
in
the
call
center
support-
and
this
includes
primarily
claims
taking
and
adjudication
activities.
D
D
E-222
is
the
continuation
of
two
intermittent
fte
in
the
benefit
accuracy
measurement
unit.
This
unit
is
primarily
concerned
with
it's
a
quality
control
type
of
unit.
D
E-229
is
a
continuation
of
eight
intermittent
fte
and
appeal
support.
This
is
in
support
of
the
ui
appeals
tribunal
and,
finally,
a
continuation
of
10
intermittent
fte
and
and
I'm
sorry
in
enhancement,
unit
230,
and
this
is
the
unemployment
insurance
support,
services
uiss
and
they
are
engaged
in
policy,
development
and
federal
compliance
with
that.
I
would
welcome
any
questions.
A
C
D
D
In
the
pua,
let
me
find
this
here.
D
F
D
To
that
we
have
pending
id
issues
suspected
fraud
in
ui,
52
797
and
in
pua
253
8335,
pending
id
verification.
B
C
C
D
I
think
we've
met
jeff
freshman
for
the
record.
We've
made
significant
progress
on
the
progress
along.
The
way
has
been,
of
course,
with
the
help
of
a
former
assemblywoman's
buckley's
task
force.
D
We
were
able
to
resolve
about
95
of
that
initial
wave
that
came
at
us
that
initial
wave
dave-
if
you
can
help
me
out
here,
do
you
remember
the
numbers
on
that?
That's
a
wave.
F
Well,
we'll
double
check
the
numbers
to
make
sure
we
get
something
accurate,
but
I
I
believe
at
our
peak
we
were
over
90
pending
issues
and
maybe
as
high
as
130
000.
That's
why
I
want
to
kind
of
check
those
numbers.
D
Jeff
frichman
for
the
record,
so
that
would
say
that
we
have
resolved
to
it's
two
thirds
smaller
33
of
the
that.
If
that
answers
your
question
assembly,
woman.
C
C
You
always
had
want
to
look
back
and
just
kind
of
have
a
perspective
of
where
you
really
need
to
be
so
in
you,
the
conversation
that
we
were
discussing
as
far
as
the
positions
that
you
want
to
bring
on,
and
there
was
a
budget
amendment
towards
that.
So
I
guess
some
of
the
numbers
that
I
have
on
who
you're
thinking
about
bringing
in
aren't
quite
as
accurate.
C
Were
given
and
then
the
2019
session,
even
before
all
this
happened,
you
weren't
able
to
fill
those.
So
I
guess
I
want
to
talk
about
how
what
efforts
do
you
have
as
far
as
as
far
as
filling
some
of
these
positions
and
you
glanced
upon
how
you
were
going
to
rearrange
them
a
little
bit
as
far
as
intermittent
christians
believe
and
extending
it?
C
So
what
is
the
process
to
bring
on
the
folks
that
you
really
need,
knowing
that
the
folks
from
welfare
are
no
longer
there,
and
we
thank
them
again
for
loaning
us
those
those
200
folks,
but
we
also
need
to
understand
how
do
we
get
through
this
next
year?
And
how
do
we
fill
these
positions?.
D
Jeff
frishman
for
the
record.
Currently
assemblywoman,
we
have
permanent
positions,
filled
186
permanent
positions
filled
out
of
the
roughly
200
positions
that
we
have
budgeted
for
current
and
today's
current
budget.
So
we
pretty
much
have
those
filled
in
the
intermittents
which
are
primarily
the
positions
that
I
discussed
in
the
enhancement
unit.
D
We
have
filled
right
now,
100,
roughly
119,
of
course
that
will
fluctuate
day
to
day-to-day,
but
the
last
number
I
had
was
about
120,
so
out
of
that
155
that
are
in
the
enhancement
units,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
120.
Those
are
currently
filled.
D
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
faced
over
the
last
few
months
in
hiring
folks
is
there
was
a
tremendous
effort
put
in
to
have
to
train.
For
instance,
you
refer
to
the
200
folks
in
welfare,
who
we
very
generously
offered
up
their
staff
to
assist
us.
That
was
a
major
undertaking
to
train
and
mentor
the
200
staff
all
at
once,
so
that
sort
of
slowed
down
our
ability
to
hire
this
group
of
people
to
come
in
earlier,
because
our
efforts
in
training
etc
worked
on
those
dwss
workers.
D
C
Yes,
it
does,
and
I
would
imagine
that,
because
they
were
eligibility
workers
that
the
amount
of
training
they
would
have
needed
was
a
little
was
significant
if
we
had
brought
somebody
in
right
off
the
street.
I
know
it's
a
lot
to
learn,
so
they
had
the
basic
knowledge
of
kind
of
how
the
state
thinks
and
how
the
state
works.
So
it
was,
I
imagine
it
was
easier
to
get
them
up
to
speed
than
someone
totally
knew.
C
So
I
I
appreciate
you
recognizing
that
fact-
and
I
know
other
members
have
questions
madam
chair,
if,
if
they
don't
get
to
all
of
mine,
I'll,
come
back
but
I'll
be
happy
to
yield
to
other
members
and
not
monopolize
the
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
question:
can
I
circle
black
back
please
to
assemblywoman
carlton's
wow
moment
and
those
figures
I
I'd
like
to
clarify
what
they
were
and
here's
where
I'm
going.
I
want
to
know
what
you're
doing
with
this.
So
first,
would
you
can
you
repeat
those
numbers
on
the
suspected
false
claims
for
the
pua
other
ones.
D
Jeff
freshman
for
the
record,
yes
I'll,
be
happy
to
repeat
those
for
the
issue
that
where
identity
is
holding
up
the
claim
in
the
u
regular
ui,
we
have
52
797.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
As
a
physician,
I
have
terrible
handwriting,
and
sometimes
I
can't
read
my
own
handwriting
and
I'm
amazed
at
that
253
000
figures.
So
I
want
to
confirm
that
I'm
asking
this
question
because
I
was
one
of
the
folks
that
had
my
identity,
somebody
filed
in
my
name
follow
a
false
claim,
and
I
know
that
I
many
actually
medical
providers
did.
B
It
was
an
interesting
feel
that
a
lot
of
folks,
my
friends
and
our
whole
hospital
had
file
people
that
were
listed
as
unemployed,
and
none
of
us
ever
were.
I
haven't
had
any
real
follow-up
on
that,
and
I'm
just
wondering
are
those:
are
you
still
having
that
same
significant
amount
of
folks
that
come
in
that
you
have
identified
having
a
hard
time
identifying
them,
and
and
how
are
you
reading
through
that
that
amount
of
false
claims
and
holding
what
percent
of
those
people
do
you
think
are
legitimate?
B
I
mean
I
need
some
numbers
here.
Is
it
still
rising
those
false
claims,
and
where
are
you
at
shipping
that
away?
That's
my
first
question.
The
second
one
is:
have
you
notified
any
of
those
folks
that
get
a
letter
saying
hey,
you
know
we.
I
never
heard
from
you
as
my
employer,
that
notified
me
that
that
I
had
that
false
claim
filed.
Do
you
send
anybody
in
from
any
information
that
hey
there,
your
claim
looks
you've
a
file,
but
it
looks
like
you
have
a
you
know:
did
you
really
file
type
of
thing?
D
D
What
we
have
found
is
that,
for
instance,
right
after
the
beginning
of
january,
right
after
the
what's
the
new
one,
called
the
continued
assistance
and
continue
the
system
back,
there's
so
many
acronyms
I'm
getting
confused
with
them
myself.
But
when
that
came
in,
we
saw
a
large
spike
in
the
number
of
claims
that
were
filed.
I'm
talking
in
the
neighborhood
of
a
hundred
thousand
in
a
week
of
those
a
large
portion
of
them
were,
we
believe
fraudulent
claims
and
those
that
hundred
thousand
is
contained
in
this
250.
D
D
A
large
number
it
is,
but
they
they
come
at
us
in
waves
and
with
the
biggest
wave,
of
course,
being
right
after
that
us,
the
care
of
the
caa
was
approved
in
january
as
far
as
notification.
D
D
D
We
don't
have
that
information
in
our
database
in
order
to
have
the
ability
to
send
you
a
letter
and
say:
hey
you've
been
compromised.
We
wish
we
did,
but
we
don't
so.
I
would
hope
that
your
employer
would
tell
you
hey.
We've
got
this
false
claim
against
you,
dr
titus,
but
we
have.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
to
notify
you
directly.
B
Follow
up,
madam
chair,
so
thank
you
for
that
that
that
makes
perfectly
good
sense.
It's
still
frustrating,
but
thank
you
for
that.
For
that
clarification
on
addresses
and
again
it
does
make
sense.
So,
along
that
same
line
of
questioning,
then
at
some
point
there
was
a
task
force
that
we
were
going
to
that
was
established
because
it
becomes
a
federal
investigation
and-
and
all
of
that
are
we
going
to
have
an
update
on
where
any
of
that
is.
Is
that
something
that.
B
B
I
don't
want
to
focus
on
just
the
bad
claims,
because,
unfortunately,
then
it
delays
that's
getting
the
people
who
are
really
legitimately
needing
of
these
funds,
their
monies,
because
we're
so
tied
up.
So
I
know
that
there's
absolutely
way
too
many
folks
out
there
who
haven't
gotten
their
claims
and
their
legitimate
claims,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
resolve
some
of
these
false
claims.
So
can
you
tell
me
the
status
of
that?
Is
that
still
ongoing
investigations?
B
D
Jeff
freshman
for
the
record
we
are
in
con,
I
don't
say
constant.
We
are
in,
I
understand
from
the
folks
on
the
ground.
Almost
daily
contact
with
the
attorney
general's
office
they've
been
very
helpful
in
working
with
us
to
try
to
resolve
some
of
this.
Let
me
explain
from
some
experience
here
and
some
frustration
is.
D
When
we're
working
with
some
of
these
law
enforcement
agencies
and
they
conduct
investigations
once
we
make
the
reports
to
them
and
they
are
not
necessarily-
and
I
understand
why
I'm
not
created
this-
is
not
a
criticism,
but
they
don't
share
that
information.
Their
investigations
are
very
confidential,
so
we
often
don't
hear
sometimes
for
years
on
back
from
some
of
these
investigations
and
and
there's
a
reason
for
it,
it's
frustrating,
of
course,
because
we
want
the
information
now,
just
like
you
do,
but
it
doesn't
come
back
to
us
that
quickly.
D
So,
yes,
we,
you
know,
we've
been
very
vigilant
in
reporting
this
and
I
think,
as
I've
spoken
before,
and
you
may
have
heard
that
a
lot
of
this
is
international
crime.
A
lot
of
this
is
coming
from.
D
You
know,
other
continents,
trust
me
and
other
parts
of
the
country,
so
it's
really
out
of
the
jurisdiction
of
our
attorneys,
general
and
and
our
local
law
enforcement.
So
we
have
the
fbi,
the
secret
service.
All
of
these
other
agencies
are
involved,
but
we
are
not
getting
the
feedback.
I
think
the
children
you're
asking
for.
I
hope
that's.
E
Helpful
and
madam
chair,
if
I
might
add
just
a
couple
of
items
for
your
information,
the
this
is
not.
This
is
alisa
cafretta.
This
is
not
sort
of
within
the
purview
of
this
particular
budget.
The
u.s
attorney's
office
asked
for
and
received
a
grant
to
hire
staff
specifically
to
prosecute
unemployment
fraud.
So
that's
from
the
federal
budget-
and
we
know
the
governor
has
signed
on
to
a
letter
from
all
of
the
governors.
E
The
national
governors
association
has
appealed
to
the
federal
government
and
the
department
of
labor
in
particular,
what
we're
seeing
you
know.
The
week
we
saw
a
hundred
thousand
pua
cases,
applications
spike,
then
the
next
week
a
different
state,
we'll
see
it.
E
This
is
a
targeted,
concerted
effort
by
cyber
criminals,
and
so
we
truly
need
the
federal
government
to
really
step
in
and
assist
with
these
investigations
because
laura
what
what
we
believe
is
happening
is,
if
you're
filing
a
fraudulent
application
with
us
one
week,
you're
filing
it
in
another
state
in
another,
and
so
I
don't
think
you
will
see
very
much
reflected
in
our
budget
because
truly
it
needs
to
be
a
federal
effort.
E
So
we
certainly
have
had
a
lot
of
support
from
the
federal
delegation
in
this
area
and
hope
it
continues
to
increase
the
investments
that
they're
making.
D
B
And
thank
you
guys
for
all
you're
doing.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
question
and
director
for
the
clarification.
I
just
think.
I
thought
it
was
very
important
that
we
get
that
on
record
and
so
folks
understand
what
a
huge
burden
you
are
trying
to
solve
and-
and
I
appreciate
all
you're
doing
so.
Thank
you
manager
thank.
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
it's
actually
a
perfect
segue
to
the
the
question
that
I
wanted
to
get
at,
which
was,
and
I
echo
the
sentiments
I,
the
sheer
volume
that
you
have
had
to
address
and
the
impact
that
that's
had
on
our
state
is
just.
It
is
truly
still
mind-boggling,
no
matter
how
many
times
we
hear
it
in
this
committee
and
elsewhere,
and
I
wonder,
has
anyone
estimated
the
cost
to
our
state
for
having
to
just
address
all
of
this?
B
I
mean
there's
obviously
hard
to
fathom
addition
to
the
hours
that
your
staff
and
those
employees
have
had
to
put
into
addressing
and
following
up
and
reporting
and
so
forth.
But
do
we
have
any
kind
of
ballpark
estimate
as
to
what
this
has
cost
our
state.
D
Yeah
freshman,
for
the
record
real
technically
here,
is
that
this
is
all
federal
dollars
that
we
are
funded
with
so
technically
to
the
state.
It's.
D
I
don't
know
that
how
big
that
impact
is,
but
that
aside,
we
have
had
to
more
than
double
our
staff
in
the
area
of
ui
integrity.
Our
bpcr
benefit
payment
control
unit.
So
you
know
we
have
certainly
had
to
step
up
efforts
as
far
as
dollars
out
the
door.
That's
undetermined
at
this
point,
but.
D
I
don't
know
that
we've
really
put
dollars
on
it.
There
dave
schmidt
might
be
able
to
address
a
piece
of
this
as
he's
responsible
for
what
we
call
our
rjm
our
resource
justification
model,
which
we
track
our
time
coding
to
the
and
get
our
funding
from
dol.
Based
on
that
time
coding
and
the
rjm
dave.
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
and
saw
the
types
of
hours
that
might
have
been
coded
towards
integrity.
If
you
have
that
information.
F
David
schmidt,
to
the
record
in
general,
I
wouldn't
characterize
this
as
a
surge
cost,
but
just
sort
of
a
baseline
cost.
I
think
we
have
about
20
ftes,
typically,
that
are
in
the
fraud
support
unit
and
would
be
the
sort
of
people
who
are
typically
dealing
with
this
another
way
of
trying
to
address
the
question
would
be
of
the
the
51
000
or
so
questionable
identity
claims
in
the
ui
program.
B
F
Some
very
high
level
numbers
the
average
person
has
received
about
13
700
in
a
benefit
year
and
that
would
put
a
ceiling
of
about
700
million
dollars
potentially
to
the
ui
trust
fund.
Maybe
60
of
that
number.
I
was
actually
from
the
fpuc
program,
which
was
federal
money,
and
so
you
have
to
knock
off
a
little
bit
more
than
half,
but
something
in
the
the
300
million
dollar
number
at
the
the
highest
end.
F
E
And
so,
madam
chair,
if
I
might
sort
of
bring
it
home
with
the
non-numbers
cost
to
nevadans
the
last
time
we
presented
to
you,
we
were
talking
about
the
magnitude
of
fraud
being
we
had
had
over
1.5
million
initial
applications
and
we
have
about
1.5
million
people
in
the
workforce.
E
As
of
today,
we
have
had
1.9
million
initial
applications.
So
just
since
the
last
time
we
saw
you,
we've
had
almost
half
a
million
new
initial
applications,
probably
95
of
which
we
believe
to
be
fraudulent
and
the
the
cost
in
above
and
beyond
the
actual
dollars
of
running
the
program
is
as
we
we
explained.
E
We
thought
we
would
see
this
abating
by
now,
and
it
truly
is
not,
and-
and
we
we
hear
every
day
from
legitimate
claimants
who
need
our
help,
and
so
to
me,
that
is
the
true
cost
to
nevada-
is
that
these
criminal
rings
have
delayed
these
benefits
for
for
people
who
are
desperately
in
need,
and
it's
so
far
we
haven't
been
able
to
assemble
enough
staff
time
and
money
to
catch
up,
but
that
is
that
is
our
goal.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that,
and,
and
particularly
when
we're
making
decisions
around
technical
technological
system
enhancements
that
could
help
with
the
efficiency
of
processing
and
identifying
those
eligible
individuals,
as
well
as
with
these
intermittent
staffing
enhancements,
that's
very
helpful
context
or
the
backdrop
of
the
impact
this
has
on
just
having
to
filter
through
all
those
initial
claims.
So
thank
you
for
that
appreciate
the
time
chair.
It's
an
important
topic.
A
Thank
you
for
the
questions.
Those
numbers
are
staggering.
I
believe
we
have
questions
that
will
wrap
this
up
from
some
from
senator
don
darrell
luke.
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
so
I'm
almost
speechless
at
some
of
this
information,
and
I
cannot
thank
you
enough
to
all
of
you
and
all
of
the
staff
that
has
taken
on
this
workload.
B
D
D
D
So
we've
tried
to
take
a
very
organized,
a
methodical
approach,
using
this
additional
staffing
to
focus
on
the
specific
areas
where
we're
seeing
log
jams
backlogs,
etc.
D
We
understand
that
these
positions
will
be
fading
away
as
the
economy
improves
and
we
are
keeping
our
fingers
crossed
that
that's
going
to
help
us
in
the
coming
biennium
to
address
that
we
won't
have
the
flood
and
tidal
waves
of
claims
hitting
us
and
that
that
will
slow
down
on
the
front
end
so
that
that's
you
know,
essentially
what
we're
hoping
for
is.
We've
learned
from
some
of
our
mistakes,
many
of
our
mistakes
and
we're
taking
a
more
methodical
approach,
along
with
anticipating
an
improvement
in
the
economy
and
less
crimes
coming
in
the
dorch.
B
Thank
you,
I'm
I'm
sure
it's
like
hurting
cats
and
as
a
follow-up
to
that,
madam
chair,
if
you
don't
mind,
can
you
just
give
us
sort
of
an
update
on
the
strike
forces
recommendations.
D
D
B
You
don't
have
to
apologize
to
me.
I
appreciate
that.
Perhaps
that
is
something
that
I
don't
know
at
some
point.
Maybe
we
can
get
sort
of
a
cliff
notes
how
those.
C
Things
have
gone
and
in
right
you
know
in
an
email
so
that
we
don't
take
the
time
right
now.
B
Once
again,
all
that
you
have
done
and
totally
understand
the
magnitude
of
what
you
have
undertaken
and
thank
you,
director,
kaffarata.
Thank
you.
D
Jeff
christopher
for
the
record,
just
to
summarize
here
we
have
down
25
recommendations
that
were
made,
so
you
know
again,
I
could
read
through
them
all
do
a
specific
one.
I
don't
think
you
want
me
to
do
that,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
we
are
addressing
or
reacting
to
the
recommendations
that
were
made
from
assemblywomen's
buckley's
task
force
and
they
were
very
good
recommendations
and
we're
moving
forward
following
those
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
no
doubt
that
speaker,
buckley's
recommendations
were
very
well
taken.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
one
real
quick
thing.
I
think
it's
always
good
to
talk
about
and
get
on
the
record
where
we
actually
are
when
it
comes
to
the
trust
fund.
I
know
folks
were
disturbed
when
they
heard
that
the
trust
fund
was
out
not
realizing
that
we
automatically
do
get
loans
from
the
federal
government.
C
I
believe
right
now
we're
probably
around
170
million
dollars
worth
of
loans.
I
think
I'm
not
sure
how
high,
if
there's
any
idea,
how
high
that
loan
will
actually
go,
but
I'm
really
curious.
I
know
they're
interest-free
right
now
and
I
think
it's
still
like
the
middle
of
this
march
this
month.
Is
there
any
indication
that
that
is
going
to
be
extended,
that
they
will
that
it
will
stay
interest-free
further
on
with
any
of
the
proposals
that
are
being
discussed.
F
A
F
At
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we're
likely
to
see
that
we
will
borrow
less
money
than
we
did
in
the
last
recession,
because
we
had
so
much
more
money
coming
into
this.
This
drawdown
somewhere
in
the
250
that
might
be
a
little
bit
low.
Maybe
up
to
400
million
in
borrowing,
I
think,
would
be
a
pretty
reasonable
guess
by
the
time
we
get
to
may
may
is.
F
When
we
see
we
will
see
a
couple
hundred
million
dollars
in
revenue
coming
in
as
far
as
the
interest-free
loan
provisions,
that
is
through
mid-march,
there
is
provision
in
the
proposed
stimulus
bill
in
congress
with
regard
to
the
the
ui
program
to
extend
that
until
the
end
of
august.
C
F
David
schmidt,
again
for
the
record,
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly,
I
believe
you're
thinking
about
the
above,
based
funding
that
we
receive
that
above-based
funding
will
continue
to
come
in
on
a
quarterly
basis.
As
long
as
our
workload
remains
high,
the
the
ui
system
is
funded
with
a
base
grant.
That's
typically
on.
B
F
Order
of
20
to
25
million
a
year,
and
then
we
get
additional
above
base
funding
based
on
our
workload.
Our
current
projections,
for
that
is
that
we
will
be
continuing
to
receive
significant
above
based
funding
through
the
the
full
biennium.
A
D
Jeff
frishman
for
the
record
budget
account
4773
is
the
employment
security
division,
esd
administration
an
account
overview.
The
purpose
of
the
budget
4773
is
to
centralize
and
organize
division
staff
who
support
the
entire
division
budget.
Account
4773
includes
the
esd
administrator
and
the
administrative
assistant,
three
reporting
to
the
administrator
management
and
my
glasses
are
fogging
up
here.
D
The
funding
for
the
budget
account
is
through
cost
allocation
from
all
supported
programs
via
transfer
from
the
unemployment
insurance
program,
workforce
development
and
commission
on
post-secondary
education
budget
accounts,
the
mass
section
of
the
management
and
administrative
support
services
unit.
The
purpose
of
the
mass
unit
is
to
act
as
a
centralized
office
to
provide
quality,
timely
and
reliable
analysis,
as
well
as
general,
fiscal
and
program
support
to
all
esd
programs.
A
A
D
Maintains
up-to-date
program
and
administrative
knowledge
to
effectively
centralize
administrative
services
and
act
as
a
liaison
between
program,
financial
management,
idp
or
I.t
and
other
stakeholders
also
included
in
this
budget
account
is
our
legal
section.
This
section
provides
legal
support
to
the
administrator
of
the
employment
security
division
and
its
programs.
D
D
D
C
Thank
you,
chair
focus
specifically
on
the
deputy
assistant
attorney
deputy
staff
attorney
position.
Would
you
anticipate
that
that
would
reduce
some
other
costs
in
contracting.
D
F
Troy,
jordan,
senior
senior
legal
counsel,
the
employment
security
division
for
the
record.
That's
exactly
my
thought
on
that
position.
Right
now
I
have
two
contractors
they're
working
almost
full
time
right
now.
F
One
of
those
is
a
retiree
that
used
to
have
my
position
that
has
graciously
agreed
to
come
back
on
contract,
but
I
I
don't
feel
that
we
will
ensure.
I
don't
feel
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
sustain
the
current
model
with
the
amount
of
time
we're
taking
away
from
him
as
a
retiree
or
the
second
contractor
who
is
currently
running
his
own
private
practice.
F
The
hope
was
to
get
this
position
in
there
to
get
through
and
also
to
expand
the
role
with
some
things
that
we've
been
asked
to
do
during
this
pandemic.
That
have
become
clear
that
legal
needs
to
be
involved
in,
but
we're
billing
them
out
right
now.
I
can't.
F
If
it's
75
an
hour
or
100
an
hour
but
they're,
actually
getting
paid
more
hourly
than
me
as
the
employee
and.
B
F
Position,
the
salary
was
tied
directly
to
a
deputy
attorney
general's
salary
with
the
same
steps,
and
my
salary
is
tied
specifically
to
a
senior
deputy
attorney
general.
So
we
thought
that
was
the
most
likely,
but
I
believe
over
time
it
will
save
costs
that,
for
no
other
reason
to
be
somewhat
facetious
is
this
person
will
be
unclassified,
so
we
won't
have
to
pay
their
overtime
and
we're
literally
paying
the
contractors
right
now
for
every
hour.
C
F
I
actually
think
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
have
it
earlier,
but
also
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear
for
the
record,
because
I
knew
this
question
was
going
to
come
up.
Is
the
workload
for
the
legal
division
has
unfortunately
just
begun?
We
have
been
working
cases
back
from
the
recession
as
late
as
2015-2016,
and
one
of
the
things
that
happens.
Many
times
is
that
we
have
collections
matters.
F
We
would
be
dealing
with
bankruptcy
matters
we
would
be
dealing
with,
and
we
also
expect
there
may
be
a
few
tax
issues
coming
down
the
road
with
businesses
over
this
time
period
that
the
legal
division
would
normally
handle
that
will
increase,
and,
unfortunately,
our
legal
system
isn't
as
quick
as
people
would
like.
Sometimes
they
come
out
for
years,
but
I'd
also
want
to
make
clear
for
the
record
that
not
only
will
we
have
that
caseload
coming
in
and
yes,
I
agree
it
will
be
actually
decreasing
over
time.
F
We
will
also
have
to
handle
the
normal
caseload
in
addition
to
that.
That
comes
up
every
year
and
to
give
you
a
couple
of
numbers
of
the
scope
of
what
I'm
facing
currently
and
I
believe
that
we
submitted
these
numbers.
We
had
under
100
cases
in
17
and
18.
and
I
believe,
under
just
over
119.
F
F
There
were
only
100
000
denials
total,
which
I
know
that
that
number
is
is
under
what
our
actual
denials
are.
That
would
leave
us
with
2
000
petitions
for
judicial
review
in
and
of
itself,
and
the
most
the
legal
division
here
theater
has
ever
handled
was
during
the
great
recession
was
300
in
one
year.
C
E
F
We
don't
quite
make
that
2000,
there's
also
going
to
be
all
the
tangential
things
of
collecting
overpayments
fighting
bankruptcy,
discharges
on
fraudulent
debts
and
other
other
collection
matters
and
things
that
we've
added
to
the
legal
division.
C
F
F
A
I
am
not
seeing
any
other
questions
for
you
so
director.
I
would
like
to
thank
you
and
your
staff
for
joining
us
here
to
go
through
these
budgets
today,
and
I
will
wish
you
all
a
wonderful
day
for
committee
members.
This
brings
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment
as
a
reminder
to
those
that
are
joining
us.
Virtually.
A
A
A
Well,
thank
you
see
that
there
are
no
individuals
in
our
public
comment.
That
will
conclude
today's
meeting
I'd
like
to
thank
our
presenters,
the
committee
broadcast
staff
and
the
members
of
the
public
who
were
able
to
join
us
virtually
today.
This
meeting
is
adjourned,
and
I
wish
you
all
a
very
productive
day.