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A
Welcome
to
the
audience
in
Carson
City
and
those
joining
us
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video
conference
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Las
Vegas
and
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listening
over
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Internet
just
a
couple
housekeeping
items
for
us
today.
Please
remember
to
silence
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wish
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A
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off
each
time
that
you
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done,
speaking
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hired
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our
interactions
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meeting.
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if
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may
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person's
position,
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members
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using
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laptops
to
view
handouts
and
other
documents.
A
Please
do
not
view
this
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention.
Public
comment
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Each
person
will
be
limited
to
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minutes.
In
addition,
the
public
May
submit
written
testimony
to
the
committee
up
to
24
hours
after
the
hearing
as
a
notice
to
our
to
those
viewing
I
have
already
spoken
with
about
presenters.
We
are
going
to
go
out
of
order
today
we're
going
to
begin
with
ab's
174,
then
we'll
move
on
to
ab177,
and
then
we
will
move
on
to
AB
92.
A
C
Good
morning
Madam
chair
members
of
the
assembly
committee
on
government
Affairs,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
bring
ab174
before
you
today,
I'm
carrying
ab174
on
behalf
of
the
Nevada
National
Guard
today,
I'm
accompanied
by
Major
General
under
Berry,
the
adjutant
general
of
the
Nevada
National
Guard.
He
oversees
both
the
Army
and
the
Air
National
Guard
components
for
the
state
of
Nevada.
C
Each
state
territory
in
the
District
of
Columbia
have
an
adjutant
General
in
Nevada.
The
accident
General
is
appointed
by
the
governor
of
the
state.
The
intent
of
ab174
is
to
clarify
the
requirements
to
serve
as
the
adjutant
general
for
Nevada
and
bring
state
law
into
Conformity
with
title
10
of
the
U.S
code
regarding
the
maximum
age,
to
which
an
adjutant
General
may
serve
the
specific
changes
to
current
I'm.
Sorry,
the
specific
changes
to
current
law
being
proposed
by
b174
are
threefold.
One
requires
the
assistant.
C
The
assistant,
adjutant
generals
will
be
selected
for
members
of
the
Nevada
Nevada
National
Guard
and
I'm.
Sorry,
that
should
say
assistant
and
adjutant
Generals
be
selected
from
members
of
the
Nevada
National
Guard
two
raises
the
maximum
age
to
which
a
commissioned
officer
may
serve
from
age
64
to
66..
This
changes
conformed
with
title
10
of
the
U.S
code
and
the
mandatory.
C
Whatever
you
write,
certain
send
the
mandatory
retirement
date
for
a
major
general
from
64
to
66.,
okay
and
then
three
changes
the
eligibility
requirements
for
appointment
to
the
office
of
adjutant
General,
requiring
they
must
have
completed
at
least
six
years
of
service
in
the
Nevada
National
Guard.
As
a
federally
recognized
officer
again
Madam
chair,
thank
you
to
you
and
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
today.
I
urge
you
to
vote
this
out
of
committee
and
send
it
on
to
the
whole
body.
C
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
good
morning
gray
and
general
Berry.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Just
as
an
overview
and
I
know,
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
each
of
you
about
this
a
little
bit,
but
for
the
for
the
committee,
will
you
please
share
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you
assemblyman,
but
also
would
like
to
hear
from
from
the
general?
Why
do
we
need
this
bill?.
C
Madam
chair
through
you
to
supplement
Taylor,
you
know
I'll
turn
that
over
to
to
the
general
I
mean
I
could
wax
eloquently
about
it,
but
he
can
speak
specifically
to
it.
E
Madam
chair
through
to
Assembly
women
Taylor.
One
of
the
reasons
we
have
asked
for
this
change
in
the
law
is.
E
Am
so
sorry,
General,
Major,
General,
Andre
Berry
invited
National
Guard
apologize
for
that?
One
of
the
reasons
we
have
requested
the
change
for
this
is
because,
if
you
look
at
Most
states,
they
require
the
adjunct,
General
to
have
experience
and
to
know
their
state
and
to
know
the
requirements
and
to
know
their
constituents.
One
of
the
difference
between
the
active
component
and
the
and
the
National
Guard
is
because
it's
it's
there.
E
We
are
community-based
organization,
we
don't
take
from
the
active
component
in
terms
of
our
day-to-day
responsibilities,
even
though
we
do
the
some
of
the
same
functions
it
comes
from,
we
have
we
we
talk
about
our
priorities.
Community
is
a
big
priority.
For
us,
Readiness
is
a
priority,
is
a
priority
for
us
all.
Those
components
come
from
our
work
with
the
community.
E
So
when
we
talk
about
the
change
in
terms
of
bringing
the
position
from
within
is
for
somebody
that
knows
the
state
already,
the
majority
of
states
that
you
will
research
will
they
bring
their
adjun
General
from
internal.
It's
not
the
same
being
fully
transparent,
sometimes
for
the
assistant
ads
in
general,
but
it
is
for
the
action
journal
in
most
circumstances
in
terms
of
the
age
requirement.
We
just
want
to
match
the
federal
requirements
in
terms
of
age.
E
C
And
I'm
sure
if
I
could
just
add
a
little
bit
to
that,
would
that
be
all
right
so
that
doesn't
design
for
the
record?
I'm
sorry
assemblyman,
Ken
Gray,
it
doesn't
doesn't
guarantee
somebody
till
age
66.
It
just
allows
them
to
serve
until
age
66,
especially
in
the
case
of
the
accident,
General
and
other
some
other
senior
staff.
Folks
they
do
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
governor,
but
it
also
prevents
the
Governor
from
losing.
C
You
know
a
well-qualified
person
simply
because
they're
they're
now
too
old
I
mean
if
you
can
look
at
General,
Barry
he's
still
young
trim
and
fit
and
ready
to
keep
going.
F
I
was
just
curious
if
this
is
in
line
with
other
states
and
or
is
this,
what
other
states
do
to
be
in
line
with
the
federal
requirement?
Thank
you.
C
Madam,
chair,
I,
think
it'd
be
safe
to
say
that
most
States
match
the
the
title.
10
requirement
some
states
the
way
they
choose
their
ad
students.
General
is
different,
I
mean
some
states
even
have
it
up
for
election,
but
in
Nevada
it's
appointment
by
the
governor
and
the
address.
General
is
a
member
of
the
the
governor's
cabinet.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
to
understand
the
time
requirement.
G
C
Assemblyman
win
so
the
six
year
requirement
is
at
six
years
in
service,
it's
six
years
of
service
within
the
Nevada
National
Guard
and,
as
the
general
pointed
out,
that
time
is
needed
to
understand.
You
know
state-specific
requirements
to
build
those
relationships
with
other
agencies
within
the
state
in
the
communities
within
the
state
and
to
also
have
that
experience
to
meet
the
the
requirements.
You
know
that
go
along
with
that
job,
General
Barry,
you
have
anyone
answer.
Yes,.
E
Berry
Nevada
National
Guard,
the
biggest
requirement
for
why
we
asked
for
six
years
again
is
to
piggyback
off
of
that
is
to
know
your
state
and
one
of
the
differences
between
the
National
Guard
and
the
active
component.
Is
you
have
two
Services
I?
Have
the
Army
National
Guard
I
also
have
the
Air
National
Guard.
Also
the
difference
is
we
are
Statewide
where
most
of
the
components
you're
at
an
installation
are
base.
E
E
So
it
helps
to
have
not
just
the
understanding
and
knowledge,
but
also
the
experience,
so
the
minimum
of
six
years
requirement,
and
it's
pretty
much
in
aligned
with
what
you
will
see
Across
the
Nation,
because
somebody
could
technically
come
from
outside
the
state,
as
maybe
a
major
and
then
they
serve
in
the
Nevada
National
Guard
for
six
years
and
they
reach
the
rank
of
Colonel.
That
makes
them
eligible
also,
so
that's
usually
a
pretty
good
indicator
that
you've
been
in
the
state
long
enough
to
have
an
understanding
of
the
populist
requirements.
Etc.
G
Follow-Up
chair:
would
anybody
be
at
a
disadvantage
if
they
are,
let's
just
say,
meet
other
qualification
and
don't
have
the
years
of
service?
Like
you
say
we
have
a
rock
star
coming
in
and
they
you
know,
got
through
the
ranks
pretty
quickly
and
they
just
wanted.
You
know
they
have
all
the
knowledge,
but
so,
but
that
means
they
just
have
to
wait
the
minute
the
six
years
is
up.
Then
they
are
qualified
to
do
this
is
that
what
I'm
hearing.
E
Some
women
Major
General
Barry,
Andre,
Nevada,
National
Guard.
That's
actually
why
some
states
will
take
an
assistant
position
and
make
it
and
waive
some
of
the
requirements
versus
the
tag
position.
The
action
in
general.
So
that's
why
some
states
do
that
to
make
sure
that
there
is
not
a
disadvantage.
E
So
it
just
depends
on
you
know
the
expectation
or
what
you're
looking
for
in
the
organization
when
I
was
doing
my
research
to
kind
of
find
out,
you
know,
was
there
some
kind
of
leaning
one
way
in
terms
of
more
of
the
assistant
adjunates
were
from
outside
the
state?
The
majority
came
from
inside
the
states
and
the
requirements
of
the
six
years,
but
again
that's
why
some
states
will
do
that
just
to
ensure
that
there
is
not
a
disadvantage,
because
you
do
have
the
chance
or
the
opportunity
to
work
as
the
assistant.
E
A
I
Good
morning
cheer
and
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
I
do
appreciate
the
generals
aspect
of
this
position.
I
My
question
actually
is
I
see
that
we're
amending
section,
two
subsection
one
where
it
states
that
picking
out
or
the
military
staff
of
the
governor
consist
of
agent
General
and
not
more
than
two
assistant
agent
generals
selected
from
the
commission
officers
of
the
Armed
Forces
of
the
United
States,
we're
amending
that
and
making
it
Nevada
National
Guard
specifically
and
in
section
three
you're
also
amending
that
armed
forces
of
the
United
States
to
make
it
Nevada,
National,
Guard
and
or
Air
National
Guard,
and
to
me
it
looks
like
you
are.
I
C
Matter,
chair,
assemblyman
gray,
for
you
to
Solomon
Thomas.
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
know
various
dude.
No,
the
reason
that
is
is
put
a
plain
and
simply,
as
a
general
I,
both
mentioned.
You
know
we
want
experienced
people
in
Nevada
to
be
able
to
lead
the
Nevada
National
Guard.
C
It
would
not
make
sense
if
you
read
this
by
the
letter
of
the
current
law.
Would
you
want
a
Navy
Admiral
coming
in
from
Maryland
to
command
Army
and
Air
Force
troops
that
have
never?
You
know
that
have
no
experience
doing
that.
Nor
do
they
have
any
experience
in
the
National
Guard.
Nor
do
they
have
any
experience.
More
importantly,
with
the
laws
that
govern
the
National,
Guard
I
think
it's
a
pretty
simple
answer
and
that's
why
that
was
narrowed.
C
E
The
chair
to
Assembly
women,
Thomas
Major,
General,
Andre,
Berry
I'll,
start
off
with
this.
Let's
just
use
the
example.
If
you
were
active
component
Navy
officer,
the
National
Guard
has
three
roles:
we
do
the
federal,
we
call
the
war
fight.
We
also
do
the
Homeland.
So
when
you
saw
National
Guard
doing
you
know
from
covet
to
wildfires
to
floods,
to
you
know,
working
in
senior
citizen
homes,
Etc,
that's
a
part
of
the
Guard.
We
also
unique
to
the
guard
is:
what's
called
State
Partnerships,
which
means
the
art
Nevada
National
Guard.
E
Every
state
territorial
district
has
a
state
partnership.
Ours
is
with
Tonga
Fiji
and
this
one
Tonga
Fiji
and
we
just
picked
up
one
Samoa,
and
so
that's
just
unique
to
the
National
Guard.
The
acting
components
do
not
do
that,
so
you
ask
someone
to
come
in
from
outside,
that's
from
maybe
from
a
different
service,
maybe
from
a
different
state
and
has
no
National
Guard
experience
immediately,
because
I
said
on
the
governor's
cabinet.
E
So
now
you're
a
part
of
the
cabinet
now
you're
part
of
the
community,
and
you
have
the
federal
Mission
and
you
have
to
take
on
your
state.
Partnerships
and
you
have
to
do
the
Homeland
just
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
every
emergency
that
we've
had
I
know
the
state
I
know:
law
enforcement,
I
know
fire
departments.
I
know
public
works,
I've
worked
in
communities,
I
know
nonprofits,
so
I
hit
the
ground
running.
I,
don't
have
to
go,
ask
questions.
I,
don't
have
to
go,
have
a
learning
curve.
E
I
already
understand
the
community
I've
been
in
all
17
counties,
I
understand
the
rules
versus
the
urban.
So
that's
what
you
bring
to
the
table
when
you
have
worked
in
the
organization
already
I've
been
to
Tonga,
probably
four
times
I've
been
to
Fiji
I
made
some
more
yet
and
so
so
I
already
understand
the
Partnerships.
The
other
thing
is
I
understand
the
National
Guard
Bureau.
If
you
work
in
the
active
component,
you
don't
work
with
the
Guard
Bureau.
You
work
through
the
Pentagon
Department
of
Defense,
and
so
that's
the
difference.
E
So
I
already
have
the
relationships.
I've
worked
back
in
DOD
for
seven
years,
so
coming
into
the
job.
I
already
could
hit
the
ground
running.
If
you
look
at
some
of
our
ask
I
understand
where
the
our
deficits
are
in
the
states,
I
understand
what
we're
missing
as
an
organization,
so
I
can
come
to
the
body
or
I
can
go
to
the
federal
side
and
and
put
in
place
those
strategies
and
goals
that
we're
missing.
I
know
every
single
one
of
my
codels
I
have
worked
with
them.
E
I've
spent
time
with
them,
so
I
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
about
the
advantage,
but
that's
also
I'll
go
back
to
this
again.
That's
why
some
states
will
make
the
assistant
where
they
will
open
it
up,
Across
the
Nation,
because
they
sometimes
want
to
go
after
some
of
that
experience
they
may
be
missing
or
look
for
exposure
or
expertise.
They
may
not
have
so
that's
why
sometimes
that's
the
win
behind
it,
but
from
the
adjunct
position
you
hit
the
ground
running.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
supplement,
gray
again
for
the
record
and
and
also
I,
think.
Another
key
point
is,
and
the
general
mentioned
this
earlier,
there's
two
prong
Mission,
there's
federal
and
state
I
have
deployed
several
times
on
behalf
of
National
Guard
I
was
I'm
an
active
duty,
retired
guy,
but
I
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
the
whole
thing,
but
I've
got
a
lot
of
experience.
C
There's
a
mindset
difference
so
take.
For
instance,
when
we
went
to
Hurricane
Katrina,
we
were
there
on
the
ground
running.
It
was
part
of
our
homeland
Mission.
We
knew
the
people
we
were
there.
You
know
assisting.
We
were
there
to
assist,
provide
medical
care,
provide.
You
know,
Law
and
Order
things
that
you
know
are
different
from
the
active
duty
mindset.
The
active
duty
mindset
is
there.
Is
there
are
friendly
forces
and
there's
opposition
forces
when
the
82nd
Airborne
was
trying
to
control
the
crowds
at
at
the
Superdome?
C
It
was
an
US
versus
them
mentality.
When
we
finally
got
those
guys,
you
know
on
board,
it
was
like
no
we're
all
in
this
together.
These
are
citizens
and
residents
of
this
community.
They
are
not
the
enemy
we're
here
to
help
them.
We
also
saw
the
same
thing
in
the
LA
riots
when
the
Marines
were
brought
in.
It
was
an
enemy,
not
the
community,
we're
not
there
to
assist
we're
there
to.
You
know,
combat
the
enemy,
so
there
is
definitely
a
mindset
that
is
different
between
the
National
Guard
and
active
component
forces.
J
My
question
is:
has
this
been
a
problem?
Have
we
had
governors
in
this
state
appointing
incompetent
generals
and
are
we?
Is
this
an
attempt
to
tie
the
hands
of
our
Governors
shouldn't
our
Governors
have
the
freedom
to
appoint,
who
they
believe
is
the
appropriate
person?
Why
are
we
adding
a
layer
onto
this
procedure?
We
elect
the
governor
shouldn't,
we
trust
them.
Can
you
explain
why.
E
E
So
if,
if
I
believe,
if
there
was
an
issue
or
a
challenge,
first
of
all,
I
wouldn't
be
here
if
he
did
not
agree
to
it
and
second
of
all,
but
it
I
don't
believe
it
ties
the
hands
and
up
until
the
last
session
this
it
had
been
a
Nevada
Guardsmen
that
would
be
appointed
to
the
tag
or
the
assistant
tag
for
the
state
of
Nevada.
So
up
until
the
last
session,
when
this
was
changed,
it
had
been.
E
This
law
was
in
place
as
we
are
requesting
to
go
back
to
with
some
modifications.
So
again,
if
I
thought
it
would
tie
in
a
hand,
I
don't
think
I
would
be
able
to
come
here
and
honestly
say
that
the
governor
is
okay
with
us
going
forward.
Thank
you.
A
And
you
referenced
that
there
was
the
world
change.
Can
you
get
us
the
bill
number
for
that
changed
that
and
if
you
can't
at
this
time,
if
you
could
get
back
to
the
committee
with
that,
thank
you,
assembly,
woman,
Taylor.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
General,
your
referenced
this
earlier,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
we
got
into
the
detail
of
this
this
across
the
country.
You
said
that
you
found
that
is
this.
This
is
the
practice
across
the
country.
Have
you
have
you
found
it
to
be
best
practice?
E
Through
the
chair
to
assemblywoman
Taylor,
Major,
General,
Andre,
Berry
and
National
Guard
have
not,
in
my
research
and
I
and
I've
also
had
conversations,
and
just
so
you
know
this
back
up
for
a
second.
You
have
What's
called
the
National
Guard
Association
United
States,
which
represents
the
officers
in
the
illicit
Association
of
the
United
States,
which
represents
the
enlisted
and
both
have
supported
this
and
both
know
and
have
talked
to
and
understand
through
their
counterparts
that
there
have
not
been
challenges
in
terms
of
this
being.
E
The
way
we're
recommended
to
go
is
not
the
common
practice
so,
which
is
why
I
both
support
it
and
from
and
I
have
another
53.
Just
like
me,
Across
the
Nation
right
now,
there's
only
two
I
believe
two,
maybe
three
that
go
through
an
election
process.
The
majority
have
the
same
process
that
we're
talking
about
pretty
much
the
majority
of
them.
What
I
say:
majority,
probably
over
90,
come
from
within
the
state.
Sometimes
they
will
leave
the
state
and
go
work
up
at
National,
Guard
Bureau
and
come
back
to
the
state.
E
So
this
is
very
much
the
common
practice
that
you
will
see
across
the
country
in
terms
of
what
we're
requesting
and
and
I
and
I
I
will
keep
reiterating.
Some
states
will
allow
an
assistant
to
have
the
flexibility
from
other
services
and
outside
of
not
being
a
member
of
that
State's
militia
to
be
selected,
but
up
until
now,
I
have
not
found,
or
this
has
been
a
problem
or
a
challenge
across
the
country.
May.
D
D
You
talked
about
from
the
community
standpoint,
and
one
of
the
things
I
I
would
like
to
say
is
because
I
I
know
of
this
here
is
the
role
that
that
your
leadership
played
during
the
covet
crisis,
when,
when
supplies
couldn't
get
out
across
the
state
to
various
areas,
the
rules
and
so
on,
the
National
Guard
stepped
in
and
I
see
that
as
one
of
the
advantages
of
getting
people
that
know
the
state
that
know
the
community
that
know
that
know
how
to
get
things
done
and
out,
and
you
set
up
those
little
those
temporary
places
for
people
to
go
if
we
needed
them
and
so
on
and
I
think
that's
an
advantage
of
having
someone
that
knows
our
state.
D
E
Can
I
respond
to
that
so
to
share
a
choice
of
a
woman,
Taylor
Andre
Berry
again
from
Nevada
National
Guard?
That
is
a
great
example
of
when
there
was
a
deficit
in
some
of
the
PPE
that
we
used
the
former
chairman
of
the
MGM
to
go
and
find
additional
supplies
just
because
of
Prior
working
with
and
relationships.
We
also
work
with
our
convention
authorities,
especially
specifically
down
south,
when
we
needed
some
assistance
based
off
of
relationships
that
we
had
known
previously.
E
So
one
of
the
advantages
you
have
when
you
have
somebody
who's
very
familiar
with
their
state,
is
usually
a
phone
call
based
off
of
a
prior
relationship
or
prior
interaction.
So
it
just
makes
things
so
much
easier
and,
as
I
said
before,
a
big
part
of
the
role
of
your
National
Guard
is
when
you're
in
a
state
status
or
state
active
duty
status.
Your
Governor
is
your:
is
your
commander-in-chief
and
directs
your
your
duties
and
responsibilities?
E
It
can
activate
you
and
knowing
and
having
and
the
connections
the
relationships,
and
the
collaborations
just
makes
your
job's
so
much
easier
versus
having
to
go
from
a
startup
or
happening
to
develop.
Some
of
those
and
we
work
very
hard,
extremely
hard
and
making
sure
we
maintain
those
not
just
when
we
have
emergencies
but
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
also
We'll
add
one
more
thing
to.
E
In
the
last
session,
we
put
the
Department
of
Emergency
Management
under
the
Nevada
military
department,
and
that
is
a
very
heavily
community-based
organization
and
I
work
with
the
chief
of
the
Department
of
Emergency
Management
on
a
regular
basis
and
again,
that's
a
community
organization.
So
from
this
position
it
just
makes
it
easier.
When
you
know
your
community,
you
have
the
relationships
and
you're
able
to
have
a
four
sense
of
urgency
about
getting
things
done,
just
based
off
of
your
understanding
of
the
state
that
you
live
in.
Thank
you.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
assemblyman
gray
and
General
Barry
for
this
presentation.
I
just
want
to
put
I'll
say
one
thing
for
the
record.
I
know
this
is
a
conversation
that
it's
not
just
our
National
Guard
has
been
that
are
having
this
conversation.
Is
it
happening
across
the
country?
Very
recently,
here
I
participated
at
a
civil
Affairs
military
conference
at
at
West
Point,
and
this
is
something
that
was
brought
up
specifically.
K
This
is
now
a
a
conference
was
hosted
by
Yale
by
Hamilton
University
New
York
State
Connecticut,
and
there
was
this
point
that
was
made,
and
this
was
one
of
the
themes
of
the
conference
was
that
you
know
our
commanders
have
to
be
knowing
the
landscape,
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
National
Guard
and
knowing
the
those
Intimate
Relationships
that
are
extremely
necessary
and
effectively
carrying
out
leadership
duties
within
the
state.
K
So
again,
having
that
that
actual
knowledge
of
the
state
is
is
pivotal
and
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
both
for
bringing
this
bill
again.
This
is
not
just
something
that
is
taking
place
here
in
Nevada.
This
is
a
conversation
that
is
hap
that
is
being
held
across
the
country
and
I
think
they
just
make
for
a
more
streamlined
approach
in
effectively
carrying
out
the
duties
of
the
the
National
Guard,
the
and
the
Air
National
Guard
here
in
Nevada.
Thank
you
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
to
clarify
for
the
record
I
believe
it
was
ab485
in
the
2021
legislative
session
that
made
those
those
changes
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
have
a
conversation,
because
I
think
that
there's
still
some
unease
on
why
we're
like.
Obviously
we
changed
it
in
2021.
So
why
are
we
changing
it
back?
What
like
I
I
want
to
know
the
history
for
that
and
I.
Don't
think
that
you've
been
able
to
provide
that
for
us
today.
A
So
it
looks
like
there's
needs
to
continue
to
be
a
conversation
about
what
that
looks
like
and
I
hope
that
we
can
have
that
before
the
bill
before
we
have
a
work
session.
So
at
this
time
I
will
go
ahead
and
close
any
additional
questions.
I
think
we
are
able
to
go
ahead
and
move
on
so
I'll
invite
individuals
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
ab174.
L
Madam,
chair
and
committee
members
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Andrew
Lee
pilbit
I
am
the
chairman
of
the
United
veterans,
legislative
Council,
in
the
state
of
Nevada,
and
have
been
since
2019.
We
represent
the
approximately
279
000
veterans
in
the
state
of
Nevada
and
when
you
count
their
family,
immediate
families,
that's
500,
000,
Plus
nevadans
that
are
either
veterans,
active
military
or
a
family
direct
family
of
a
veteran.
We
are
in
full
support
of
this
bill.
L
However,
we
wish
the
age
was
raised
instead
of
just
the
federal
level
to
68..
That's
when
we
tell
we're
starting
soon
to
tell
our
younger
people
that,
by
the
way,
I'm
the
older
guy
in
the
room.
Just
so
you
know,
MacArthur.
L
Our
younger
people
are
that's
going
to
be
the
retirement
age
pretty
soon,
but
I
am
a
commissioned.
Infantry
officer
from
Vietnam
combat
officer
I
have
a
younger
brother
that
passed
away
a
year
ago,
who
was
a
retired
National
Guard
Army,
General
and
I
have
been
the
leader
of
the
United
States
of
a
worldwide
company.
So
a
lot
of
executive
experience
and
I
can
tell
you.
The
job
of
the
adjutant
general
in
any
guard
is
an
amazingly
difficult
job.
L
We're
asking
a
branch
of
service
to
manage
lead
and
Inspire
different
branches
of
the
military,
with
different
Customs
different
behaviors,
different
training
programs
different
assets,
and
it
takes
a
while
to
develop
that
skill,
so
pushing
them
out
before
they're
done
and
they
can
still
service
is
a
difficult
thing.
When
we
get
a
new
tag,
it
takes
anywhere
from
a
year
to
two
years
for
them
to
become
effective.
Just
because
it's
such
a
unique
responsibility
and
we
support
this
bill.
We
wish
it
was
68
years
by
the
way,
instead
of
66..
Thank
you.
A
A
C
Thank
you
again,
Madam,
chair
and
committee
members
just
urge
you
to
support
this
bill
and
move
it
out.
It
would
be
good
for
the
state
be
good
for
the
residents
and
it'd
be
good
for
our
National
Guard
and
our
overall
Readiness.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
get
a
hold
of
me.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
at
this
time,
I'll
invite
the
bill
sponsor
to
reach
out
to
the
committee.
Members
myself
and
assemblyman
Thomas
will
be
taking
a
lead
on
this
bill
so
that
we
can
continue
to
have
a
conversation
of
what,
if
there
needs
to
be
any
amendments
made
to
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
A
N
I
did
have
a
voice
this
morning
when
I
started
for
the
record
I'm
Bert
Gerr
representing
Assembly
District
33.,
which
includes
most
of
Elko
most
of
white
pine
or
no
all
of
white
pine,
most
of
Eureka
all
of
Lincoln
part
of
Nye.
So
a
lot
of
counties
anyway.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
an
assembly.
Bill
177,
which
revises
Provisions
governing
parcel
data,
sets.
N
N
There
are
205
operators
within
Nevada,
ranging
from
utility
companies
to
Water
and
Sewer
districts
to
General
Improvement
districts.
Every
County
city
and
town
in
Nevada
is
also
an
operator
in
Nevada.
Both
residents
and
operators
are
required
to
call
811
at
least
two
working
days
before
digging
in
the
ground.
N
That
call
goes
to
the
Underground
Service
Alert
of
Northern
California
Nevada,
commonly
known
as
USA
North
811
USA
North
then
notifies
its
members
of
the
location.
The
exhibition
excavation
excuse
me
and
The
Operators
will
then
locate
the
area
of
their
facilities
and
mark
them
with
items
such
as
Flags
paint
and
Stakes.
N
The
color
of
the
markers
indicate
what
type
of
infrastructure
is
below.
For
example,
electric
is
red,
water's
blue
natural
gas
is
yellow.
This
proactive
marketing
process
is
designed,
marking
not
marketing.
Marking
process
is
designed
to
avoid
excavation
damaging
underground
infrastructure.
With
that
background,
I'll
walk
you
through
ab177.
N
Section
1
of
ab177
authorizes
the
demographer
to
provide
the
data
set
to
an
association
of
operators
which
in
Nevada
is
USA
North.
That
change
is
made
in
a
number
of
places
throughout
NRS
for
consistency
in
paragraph
9,
cross-references
and
Association
of
operators.
With
its
page
three
definition
NRS.
It
specifically
mentions
the
underground
service
Alliance
in
Northern,
California
and
Nevada,
or
success
organizations
by
organizing
the
state
demographer
to
provide
the
parcel
data
set
or
set
data.
N
U.S
Nevada
will
have
the
most
accurate
parcel
descriptions
available
to
Aid
its
members
in
locating
underground
facilities
prior
to
excavation
the
state's
parcel
data
set
is
more
accurate
than
commercially
available
personal
data.
To
give
you
an
idea
of
the
importance
of
parcel
data
accuracy,
Nevada's
205
operators,
collectively
processed
more
than
193
line,
locate
requests
last
year
with
more
than
131
000
of
those
in
Clark
County.
That
is
a
lot
of
digging
and
at
this
point,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Wingate.
If
he's
available.
O
J-A-M-E-S-W-I-N-G-A-T-E
I'm
the
executive
director
at
Underground,
Service
Alert
of
Northern
California
Nevada,
commonly
known
as
USA
North
811.
That's
a
mouthful,
we're
talking
about
underground
utilities.
Today,
assemblymanger
correctly
described
what's
happening,
but
let
me
see
if
I
can
put
it
in
layman's
terms,
not
because
you
need
layman's
terms,
but
because
the
this
specific
section
of
the
law
has
a
lot
of
jargon
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
understand
what
we're
talking
about
today.
O
O
All
of
this
is
happening
because
of
underground
utility
lines
that
crisscross
the
state
and
provide
these
essential
services
that
allow
our
economy
to
thrive,
government
to
function,
businesses
to
prosper
and
even
in
our
own
individual
homes,
correct,
so
the
biggest
risk
to
underground
utility
lines
not
doing
their
job
is
surprisingly
not
from
lack
of
Maintenance
or
terrorist
activities,
but
it's
actually
from
people
who
are
digging
and
damaging
them
accidentally.
So
the
the
phone
number
811
was
set
aside
by
the
Federal
Communications
Commission
back
in
2005..
O
This
is
actually
started
on
the
1970s,
with
utility
operators
getting
together,
saying:
hey.
We
were
damaging
each
other's
lines.
How
can
we
Co-op,
coordinate
and
prevent
this?
So
in
the
1970s,
the
the
law
was
changed
to
well
in
the
it
started
as
a
voluntary
process,
but
then
in
the
70s
or
in
the
80s
it
became
mandatory
and
I'm
going
to
just
share
my
screen.
Now
sorry
I'm
having
a
hard
time
talking
and
driving
at
the
same
time
here,
but
let
me
put
this
up
and
and
it'll
make
more
sense
here.
O
O
Logo
811:
this
is
where
an
association
of
operators
and
operators
is
the
technical
term
or
the
legal
term
for
utility
owners,
most
people
think
utilities
and
they
think
Southwest
Gas
NB
energy,
CenturyLink
ATT
things
like
that.
But
really
there
are
actually
a
huge
number
of
public
sector
agencies
that
are
part
of
that,
including
cities,
counties
and
water
districts.
O
So
we
have
205
of
these
utility
operators
in
in
nor
in
Nevada,
and
they
all
cooperate
together
to
run
a
call
center
and
they
actually
run
that
in
cooperation
with
the
utility
operators
from
Northern
California-
and
this
is
just
a
way
to
save
money
by
having
the
cost
of
save
the
startup
costs
of
a
building
phone
system
database
call
center
staff
Etc
very.
A
Common
I
apologize
I'm
just
going
to
interject
for
a
second,
because
I
I
have
a
couple
committee
members
that
reach
out
to
me.
You
all
have
a
copy
of
this
handout
too.
So,
if
you're
having
trouble
reading
this,
which
I
know
I,
would
there
is
a
handout
available
on
Nellis.
Thank
you.
Please
proceed.
O
Okay,
sorry
about
that.
Yes,
okay,
let's
see
where
was
I
going
utility
operators
cooperate
together.
The
goal
is
you
don't
want
someone
digging
to
have
to
guess
what
utility
lines
are
in
the
area
if
you're
a
homeowner
working
in
your
own
yard,
you
probably
have
an
idea
of
what
utility
lines
are
there,
because
you
know
who
you
pay
your
monthly
utility
bills
to,
but
if
you're
a
contractor
and
someone
hires
you
to
turn
a
vacant
field
into
a
new
subdivision,
that's
not
your
neighborhood!
How
do
you
know
what
utilities
are
there?
O
After
all,
there
are
205
different
utility
companies,
slash
agencies
throughout
the
state
right,
so
811.
We
act
like
dispatch
very
similar
to
9-1-1.
If
you
call
9-1-1
and
say
help
they're
going
to
determine
based
on
your
location,
who
is
the
has
jurisdiction
to
provide
police
fire
and
medical
services
at
your
location?
We
do
the
same
thing
for
utilities.
Someone
calls
us
and
tells
us
where
they
want
to
dig.
O
We
gather
information
about
the
project,
use
our
fancy
map
system
to
determine
which
utility
operators
are
going
to
be
affected
by
the
digging
and
tell
them
about
the
digging
project.
So
they
can
send
people
to
the
field
to
use
the
colored
paint
and
flags
to
protect
those
underground
utilities,
so
they
won't
get
damaged
when
the
excavator
digs
does
the
system
work
perfectly?
No,
there's
lots
that
we
could
talk
about,
but
specifically
today,
this
bill
is
to
help
us
at
the
call
center
do
our
job
better
in
dispatching
and
so
on.
O
This
flyer,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
all
the
text
right
now,
but
if
you
could
take
a
look
at
the
two
images,
this
is
Google
Maps
yesterday
for
an
area
in
Northwestern,
Las
Vegas.
This
is
Highway
95
and
157.,
and
here
is
what
it
looks
like
on
the
Clark
County
GIS
Department's
maps
online
map
viewer,
which
is
open
to
the
public
and
free
you
can
zoom
in
and
see
all
the
individual
lots
that
you
see
are
missing
here.
Well,
where
is
digging
happening,
obviously,
where
new
construction
is
happening
right?
O
So
this
is
what
we
struggle
to
keep
up
with
that.
The
call
center
is
the
new
growth
that's
happening,
and
each
County
does
their
own
thing
as
far
as
their
own
mapping
system
and
how
they
store
databases-
and
it's
a
hassle
for
us
to
round
that
up
from
to
round
up
that
data
from
17
counties
individually.
Plus
I
have
to
do
it
for
California
too,
which
is
another
49
counties
that
I
cover
in
California
so
long
story
short.
The
state
is
already
aggregating
parcel
data
which
is
parcel
again.
That's
the
technical
term
for
property
right.
O
A
Thank
you,
some
women.
Does
that
conclude
the
presentation.
N
N
This
bill
adds
one
more
organization
that
was
receiving
these
notifications
and
you'll
notice
that
there's
no
fiscal
impact
on
this
bill
when
we
put
it
in
realizing
that
this
is
a
policy
committee,
there
is
no
fiscal
impact
to
this
bill.
The
Operators
end
up
paying
8-1-1
and
that
sorry
I
missed
all
that.
O
Yes,
thank
you.
James
Wingate,
again,
I
just
realized
that
I
forgot
to
mention
the
critical
question
that
you're
going
to
ask
who's
paying
for
all
this.
Ultimately,
the
utility
rate
payers
pay
for
it,
because
the
utility
operators,
which
are
again
public
sector
agencies
and
private
sector
companies,
cooperate
together
to
run
the
call
center
pay
for
the
call
center.
We
have
a
roughly
a
10
million
dollar
budget
to
cover
the
northern
two-thirds
of
California
and
the
entire
state
of
Nevada.
The
utility
operators
pay
for
that.
O
So
ultimately,
that
goes
back
to
the
utility
rate
payers,
which
makes
sense
because
they're
the
ones
who
are
investing
and
using
the
utility
infrastructure.
So
they
want
to
protect
it
very
similar
to
roads.
Right
you
have
the
people
that
are
driving
on
roads,
pay
for
the
roads
through
gas
tax
and
so
on,
so
very
similar
that
way,
with
utilities.
A
J
Very
good
assemblyman
ger
I
got
one
question
in
section:
9
subsection
a
it
talks
about
Association
for
operators,
and
it
gives
a
definition
and
it
refers
that
that
is
defined
in
NRS
455.084,
but
it
goes
on
to
name
specifically
this
organization
Underground
Service
Alert
of
Northern
California
in
Nevada.
O
It's
a
great
question:
we
could
leave
that
part
out
it.
It
makes
it
clear
that
it's
us
we're
talking
about
because,
well
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
anticipate
any
lack
of
cooperation
from
the
state
demographer
or
the
Department
of
Taxation.
We've
talked
with
them
about
that
before
so
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
unclear,
but
for
the
record
we
prefer
to
have
our
name
listed
specifically
because
there
is
no
other
Association
of
operators
in
Nevada
they're
in
Most
states
only
have
one.
There
are
a
few
states
that
have
multiple
California
has
two.
O
If
you
saw
on
that
flyer
at
the
bottom,
Southern
California
does
its
own
thing.
New
York
City
does
its
own
thing.
Chicago
does
its
own
thing,
but
many
other
areas
combine
into
one,
and
so
just
by
having
our
name
specifically
linked
on
there,
then
there
won't
be
any
technical
barriers
to
sharing
that
data
and
US
citing
confidentiality
agreements
and
in
fact,
I
do
want
to
clarify
one
thing
in
in
there
when
assemblyman
girl
was
describing
a
parcel
data
set
I
want
you
to
know
that
some
of
the
data
in
there
we
will.
O
We
have
no
intention
of
using
because
it
is
not
relevant
to
our
work,
specifically
how
the
property
is
valued
and
who
owns
it.
We
care
where
it
is
and
how
big
it
is,
what
it
what's
its
address,
what
what's
the
geometry
of
the
parcel?
What's
the
parcel
number,
that's
all
we
care
about.
We
don't
care
how
it's
zoned,
how
it's?
O
Who
who
owns
it
when
it
was
last
sold
how
much
it's
worth
on
the
market
and
those
factors
are
important
for
the
counties
of
course,
because
that's
assessment,
which
goes
to
taxes
to
fund
all
of
this
that
we're
talking
about
here
as
far
as
state
government,
but
for
our
purposes
we
will
not
be
using
that
data
and
that
those
are
the
attributes
of
the
day
data
that
are
often
considered
sensitive
by
the
counties
where
they
sell
that
to
Realtors
and
and
things
like
that,
as
a
revenue
stream
to
offset
some
other
costs.
O
A
Thank
you
and
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
that
question
to
legal
as
well,
so
that
we
can
get
the
information
from
legal
mind.
Understanding
us
that
there
are
a
couple
other
places
in
statute
where
we
have
put
something
similar,
the
and
where
we
put
like
it's
or
its
successor,
because
they're
the
The
Entity.
That
is
fulfilling
that
role
now.
But
I
do
want
to
get
that
from
legal.
A
So
we'll
get
that
from
legal
and
then
we'll
send
it
out
to
members
of
the
committee,
including
obviously
our
bill
presenter
members.
Any
additional
questions.
A
P
P
Presenting
an
amendment
to
assembly
Bill
177
on
behalf
of
Nico,
whose
members
represent
all
17
of
Nevada's
counties.
This
amendment
has
been
shared
with
the
sponsor
and
is
friendly.
It
makes
an
addition
to
Subs
to
section
1
subsection
8,
to
clarify
that
employees
and
agents
of
associations
of
operators
cannot
disseminate
partial
data
set
information.
The
intent
is
to
control
the
unlawful
dissemination
and
publication
of
this
information.
We
believe
that
this
Edition
strengthens
the
confidential
confidentiality
of
the
data
set.
Thank
you.
Q
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
good
morning
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Stacy
Woodbury
s-t-a-c-y-w-o-o-d-b-u-r-y,
a
manager
of
public
affairs
for
Southwest
Gas
Corporation.
We
appreciate
the
oh
sorry,
Southwest
Gas
is
an
operator
under
Nevada's
call
before
you
dig
law
and
a
member
of
USA
North.
We
appreciate
the
important
service
provided
by
USA
North
last
year,
Southwest
Gas
processed
153
292
line
locate,
requests
in
Nevada
with
82
percent
of
those
being
in
Clark
County.
Q
Accurate
parcel
data
is
critical
to
the
line
locate
process
to
protect
Nevada's,
critical
underground
utility
infrastructure.
Southwest
Gas
strongly
supports
the
electronic
provision
of
parcel
data
sets
from
the
Nevada
state
demographer
to
USA
North
for
this
purpose,
and
we
also
support
the
bill
friendly,
Amendment,
sorry
provided
by
Naco.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
appear
in
support
of
ab177,
and
we
hope
you
will
support
passage
of
this
measure.
Q
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Dan,
musgrav
with
strategies
360
today
here
on
behalf
of
Google
Fiber
Google
is
coming
to
Nevada,
and
we've
identified
the
fact
that
we
hope
to
be
a
big
participant
in
laying
fiber
into
especially
for
Southern
Nevada,
but
it's
very
important
to
Google
that
accurate
and
timely
locates.
They
are
critical
to
Broad
brand
infrastructure
and
Google.
Google
Fiber
supports
the
transparency
of
this
bill.
R
That
locates
process
believes
that
the
timely
dissemination
of
this
data
is
important
to
that
work
and
because
protecting
Nevada's
infrastructure
and
our
underground
utilities
is
absolutely
Paramount
and
that's
what
Google
likes
to
do
when
it
comes
to
a
to
a
jurisdiction,
a
municipality,
and
we
support
this
bill
wholeheartedly,
including
the
amendment.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
testify.
S
D-A-N-E-S-H-F-O-R-O-U-Z
here
on
behalf
of
NV
Energy
government
relations
manager,
just
to
Echo
what
some
of
my
colleagues
here
have
already
said:
Envy
energy
is
in
support
of
ab
177.
It
promotes
the
safety
of
our
employees,
the
community
and
also
aligns
with
our
damage
prevention
strategy.
So
just
wanted
to
say
those
brief
comments.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
A
T
A
T
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Three
to
the
assembly.
I
didn't
identify
any
fiscal
impact
on
the
state
demographer's
office.
This
would
just
be
another
transmission
of
the
data.
That's
already
received.
A
N
A
A
I
think
the
word
of
the
day
is
blast,
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
how
that's
incorporated
into
this
presentation
about
plastic
or
County
councils.
A
W
My
name
is
Gregory
Koenig
representing
District
38
I
have
five
counties
all
of
Churchill,
most
of
lion,
all
of
mineral
all
of
Esmeralda,
and
a
big
chunk
of
Nye
I'm
pleased
to
come
before
you
this
morning
and
present
assembly.
Bill
92,
which
authorizes
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
to
create
the
office
of
County
Council
prior
to
being
elected,
serve
in
the
Nevada
assembly.
W
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
not
the
first
time
this
proposal
has
been
brought
forward,
but
in
a
slightly
different
itinerations,
the
assembly
committee
on
government
Affairs
introduced
ab539
during
the
2019
session.
The
bill
was
introduced
very
late
to
be
exact.
It
was
introduced
on
the
108th
day
of
120
day
session
on
May
23
2019.
It
was
presented
by
Yolanda
king,
then
County
Manager
of
Clark
County.
W
The
bill
died
in
the
assembly
again
in
2021,
then
assembly
woman,
Rachelle
Nguyen,
requested
ab147
and
introduced
the
bill
on
February
18
2021,
allowing
sufficient
time
for
it
to
be
heard
and
processed
by
both
houses.
The
bill
passed
the
assembly.
It
died
in
the
senate
committee
of
government
affairs,
so
we're
hoping
the
third
time
is
a
charm.
W
V
Thank
you,
Rochelle
Nguyen
for
the
record
representing
Senate
District,
3.,
I'm,
hoping
that
third
time
is
the
charm.
It's
a
unique
cast
of
characters
that
have
sponsored
and
supported
this
bill
in
previous
sessions.
V
As
my
colleague
in
the
assembly
mentioned
before
this
was
first
brought
in
assembly
Bill
539.
It
was
a
leadership
Bill
granted
to
this
committee
by
then
speaker,
Jason,
fryerson,
I.
Think
what
is
important
to
note
about
that
particular
bill
in
the
introduction
by
that
particular
member
is
the
fact
that
at
the
time
that
member
actually
worked
for
one
of
the
divisions
that
came
into
question
and
that
would
potentially
have
enabling
language
for
Clark
County
to
be
able
to
undo
some
of
those
conflicts
if
they
chose
to
do
so.
V
I
also
brought
this
bill
and
obviously
we're
in
a
unique
position,
because
we
have
a
former
County
Commissioner,
and
there
are
several
that
are
also
serving
in
this
body
that
have
a
unique
perspective
on
this
as
well.
I
want
to
point
out
that
this
bill
is
just
enabling
language.
There's
nothing
mandating
any
County
Commission
to
create
a
separate,
independent,
Council,
County
Council
like
Department.
V
If
Clark
County
chooses
not
to,
they
do
not
have
to
if
Washoe
County
chooses
not
to
they
do
not
have
to
so,
there
are
several
things
that
are
in
there
I'm
going
to
highlight
some
of
the
things
and
I
would
encourage
this
committee
if
they
haven't
already
done
so,
to
read
the
minutes
or
watch
the
hearings
from
the
2019
assembly
hearing
on
539,
as
well
as
the
2021
legislative
hearing
or
minutes
from
assembly.
Bill
147.
If
you
have
any
further
follow-up
questions
and
I,
know
that
there
will
be
an
opportunity.
V
An
ample
opportunity
for
the
opposition
to
this
bill
to
also
come
and
testify
in
opposition
and
I
would
encourage
the
questions
for
those
organizations.
I'm
going
to
highlight
some
of
the
opening
remarks
that
Yolanda
king,
the
county
manager
of
Clark
County
at
the
time
had
indicated
in
support
of
assembly,
Bill,
539
and
I
think
those
are
still
worthy
of
like
reporting
and
getting
on
the
record
on
this
hearing.
V
For
some
background,
I'll
give
you
some
information
on
the
County
Council
and
how
it
works
in
Clark,
County
and
I'm,
giving
you
an
example
of
Clark
County,
because
that
is
the
county
that
I
am
most
familiar
with.
So
I
wanted
to
do
that.
But
this
is
a
similar
like
procedure
that
is
takes
place
in
counties
around
the
state.
V
V
The
office
of
the
district
attorney
is
also
for
the
Department
Council
for
the
Clark
County
and
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
the
district
attorney
through
County
Council,
which
you'll
hear
us,
use
the
term
County
Council,
but
they
are,
in
fact
civil
district
attorneys
and
it's
a
civil
district
attorney's
office,
which
is
a
branch
of
that
elected
District
Attorney's
office.
They
are
the
legal
advisor
for
the
board
of
County
Commissioners,
the
county
manager
and
all
County
departments,
and
is
also
responsible
for
defending
them
in
all
civil
actions
against
the
county.
V
V
In
addition,
I
think
you
would
see
there
are
some
Provisions
that
are
also
included
in
this
bill
where
County
Council
is
currently
required
to
attend
school
board
meetings.
If
there's
a
private
attorney
employed
by
the
school
district
in
attendance,
Clark,
County,
Council
or
County
Council
under
the
directive
of
the
District
Attorney's
office
would
also
should
not
have
to
attend
those
meetings
as
well.
So
this
would
get
into
some
of
that.
Just
for
some
for
those
of
you
I
know.
V
There
are
several
of
you
that
have
now
heard
this
going
on
your
third
time,
and
there
are
some
people
that
are
new
to
this.
We
again
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
this
is
enabling
language
this
doesn't
mandate.
Anyone
to
do
this.
There
are
lots
of
counties
that
are
perfectly
happy
with
the
arrangement.
They
are
smaller
counties
when
a
conflict
arises,
they
are
able
to
work
that
out
internally,
but
this
is
a
situation
where
this
gives
larger
counties
and
larger
jurisdictions.
The
ability
to
create
this
independent
Council.
V
A
Really
is
a
win-win
situation
here
in
the
hardest
working
committee
in
the
assembly
I'm
at
this
time
members
any
questions
Thomas.
I
Thank
you,
assembly,
woman,
Torres,
cheer
tours
and
state
senator
when
an
assemblyman,
Clinic
I
really
do
appreciate
you.
Bringing
this
bill
back
I
think
that
it
is
necessary.
This
is
the
after
all,
21st
century
we
have
to
have
changes
and
I
just
had
that
comment
to
share.
Thank
you.
U
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
actually
have
two
questions.
If
I
may
so
the
first
one
is,
you
imply
that
this
is
primarily
focused
on
the
Clark.
County
is
the
way
you
phrased
it.
Why
didn't
you
put
a
population
cap
into
the
statute?
Second
question
is
the
district
attorneys?
Are
elected
officials
representing
citizens
of
the
county
and
are
the
attorney
for
the
county
by
having
the
council's
or
the
county
commissions
hire
their
own
attorney?
W
Cinnamon
koning
for
the
record
all
attempt
to
answer
that
first
and
then
Senator
Nguyen
can
clean
up
my
mistakes
here,
but
so
I
I
think
she
was
talking
about
Clark
County,
because
that's
what
she
was
most
familiar
with
I'm
coming
from
Churchill
County,
which
is
a
small
County
and
sat
on
a
board
of
County,
Commissioners
and
I,
can
see
the
need
in
the
rurals
just
as
much
as
it
is
in
Clark,
County
I,
don't
think
it's
something
that
is
only
in
of
interest
from
Clark
and
Washoe.
I
think
there's
other
counties.
W
One
thing
that
that's
telling
a
little
bit
scary
is
that
I
had
numerous
people
in
some
positions.
Tell
me
that
they
would
support
that,
but
they're
not
willing
to
come
out
in
public
and
support
it
because
they're
concerned
of
reprisals
from
the
District
Attorney's
office,
and
that
right
there
I
think,
is
telling
the
district
attorney
is
elected
by
the
people,
but
the
County
Commission
is
also
elected
by
the
people.
So
why
should
you
have
one
elected
body
controlling
a
second
elected
body,
I
think
there's
a
issue
with
checks
and
balances.
W
The
the
check
is
if
the
county
breaks
the
law,
the
district
attorney
is
able
to
prosecute
them.
That's
the
check
the
check
isn't
that
the
counties
have
to
be
every
legal
opinion
that
they
have
or
any
decision
or
any
advice
has
to
come
from
the
district
attorney.
That's
not
a
check.
The
check
isn't
defense.
The
check
is
Prosecuting
so
by
saying
that
that
the
district
attorney
isn't
is
underrepresented,
if
they're
not
representing
the
County,
Commission
I
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case.
D
Thank
you,
madam
cheer,
and
thanks
to
both
of
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
This
is
probably
as
much
of
a
statement
as
it
is
a
question.
In
my
experience.
Coming
from
the
school
board,
I
actually
lived
through
both
of
these.
We
we
have
Council
for
the
for
the
school
board
that
has
a
for
the
school
district
that
has
a
dotted
line
to
the
board.
D
Additionally,
we've
had
opportunities
when
we've
had
we've
had
times
when
we've
brought
an
outside
legal
counsel
to
sit
as
board
Council
along
the
way
and
I
and
I
would
just
say,
I
found
I
found
the
need
for
that.
I
thought
I
thought
that
sir
well,
the
the
need
it's
at
some
point.
It
was
because
they
were,
they
were
so
busy
within
the
district's
legal
office.
D
They
need
another
Point.
With
that
there
was.
We
had
so
much
going
on
on
the
board
that
specific
attention
to
the
board
was
necessary
and,
and
additionally
I
mean
there
are
times
when
so
much
goes
on
that
that
that
person
and
legal
counsel
has
to
sometimes
wear
two
hats.
I
mean
you
prosecute.
D
If
there's
something
wrong
that
happens
and
and
but
then
you
also
defend
in
the
same
way,
and
that
could
certainly
you
know,
lead
to
a
conflict
so
I
like
the
fact
that
this
is
permissive,
you
know
it
doesn't
mean
it
has
to
happen,
but
I
would
say,
having
lived
in
each
and
both
worked
well
when
they
needed
to
I
can
certainly
see
the
need
for
this.
So
I
I
would
say
thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward.
W
For
the
record,
I
want
to
add
a
comment
to
your
comment.
So
I
served
on
the
school
board
for
12
years
and
we
had
our
own
legal
counsel
that
we
hired
and
having
watched
these
previous
sessions
and
the
letters
against
I'm
receiving
and
the
people
I've
talked
to
one
of
their
biggest
concerns.
They
have.
Is
they
come
and
they
say
well,
if
you
high,
if
the
county
would
hire
their
own
legal
representation,
they
are
only
going
to
tell
you
what
you
want
to
hear
so
that
they'll
keep
their
job.
I
mean
I,
know.
W
W
But
as
a
member
of
the
school
board
for
12
years,
I
found
that
our
legal
counsel
definitely
argued
with
this
and
didn't
tell
us
what
we
wanted
to
hear,
because
I
think
the
best
way
to
lose
your
job
is
to
give
bad
advice,
even
if
that's
what
the
board
wants
and
the
attorney
gives
them
poor
advice.
Knowing
is
poor
advice
because,
but
that's
what
they
want
to
hear
they're
not
going
to
keep
their
job
very
long.
W
V
We
have
ethical
Rochelle
win
for
the
record.
We
also
have
ethical
duties
as
lawyers
and
that's
kind
of
my
perspective
is
coming
I,
see
the
District
Attorney's
office
I
see
the
potential
office
of
County
Council
as
like
individual
law
practices.
It
is
the
largest
Law,
Firm
I.
Think
the
Clark
County
District
Attorney's
office
is
one
of
the
largest
law
firms
in
the
state.
If
not,
the
largest
law
firm
in
the
state
employs
many
different
attorneys
that
are
Prosecuting
laws
and
I.
V
V
I
I
saw
all
those
letters
I
heard
that
testimony
I've
watched
it
again
and
I'm
from
2019
as
well
as
2021
and
I'm.
Sure
we'll
hear
some
of
that
again
today
in
2023,
is
that
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
will
influence
the
County
Council
and
they
will
feel
compelled
not
to
give
legal
advice
that
is
prudent
and
lawful
because
they
are
afraid
of
their
jobs.
But
I
don't
understand
how
that
argument
flies
in
the
face
of
the
fact
that
they
are
currently
employed
deployed
by
another
elected
official
that
the
same
thing
could
be
said.
V
It
is
a
unique
experience.
I
will
just
point
out
too
that
what
is
unique
is
what
we
have
in
the
state
of
Nevada.
V
We
are
you
know
at
the
time
all
of
our
surrounding
states-
Colorado,
Washington,
California
Oregon,
have
this
model
of
a
County
Council,
so
we
are
actually
unique
in
the
fact
that
we
do
not
have
this
and
that
we
have
this
kind
of
inherent
conflict
between
two
elected
officials
and
two
groups
of
elected
officials,
so
I
think
having
this
enabling
language
again,
permissive
language
that
doesn't
mandate
anything
if
it
is
too
expensive
or
people
are
happy
with
their
current
setup.
Counties
do
not
have
to
do
this,
but
it
does
give
people
the
opportunity.
V
D
I
make
sure
yes,
I
didn't
find
that
to
be
the
case
when
we
had
outside
counsel
on
the
board,
and
we
did
it
on
two
different
occasions
for
a
year
or
so,
each
time
when,
when
I
was
on
there,
we
I
had
plenty
of
times
as
the
president,
when
I
disagreed
with
the
legal
advice
life
that
we
that
we
receive
from
outside
Council
or
internal
Council,
quite
frankly,
but
their
job
is
to
give
us
the
best
advice
that
they
can,
and
that
is
the
best
way
to
lose.
D
X
Sorry
I
didn't
realize
what
was
next.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
for
the
record
we
have
heard
you
say
many
times
that
this
is
permissive
language
and
in
layman's
terms,
that
means
that
if
the
county
is
happy
with
the
representation
of
the
District
Attorney's
office,
they
are
free
to
keep
them
if
they
are
not
happy
with
the
representation
of
the
County
District
Attorney's
Office
they're
free
to
fire
them
and
hire
their
own
attorneys.
Is
that
correct.
W
X
By
that
I
mean
they're
no
longer
going
to
use
them
for
their
own
Council.
Obviously
they
would
not
have
any
effect
on
the
district
attorney
themselves
or
their
office.
W
Assemblyman
Koenig,
sorry
about
that
Madam
chair,
you
know
and
I
think
you
know,
the
big
talk
is:
is
checks
and
balances
I
think
by
produced
by
by
going
to
this
model
it
it's
actually
a
check
for
the
the
majority
of
the
council.
Counties
are
going
to
keep
the
DA's
as
their
representation,
but
this
is
will
be
there
so
that,
if
the
count,
if
the
district
attorneys
aren't
meeting
the
needs
or
or
what
the
county
is
feeling
is,
is
appropriate,
they
do
have
an
option.
So
this
is
another
check.
They're
they're,
talking
about
checks
and
balances.
W
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
always
a
blast
to
have
Senator
win
in
the
room,
because
you
know
it's
always
a
win-win
situation
when
we're
both
the
room
right.
So
oh
I
got
left
this
time.
It
was
the
last
two
times
was
tough
crowd.
So
my
question
is
in
terms
of
discounted
Council
peace.
Are
we
able
to
expand
the
need
of
the
county
in
terms
of
supporting
other
elected
boards
within
the
counties
who
may
need
their
own
Council?
That
is
currently
being
provided
for
by
the
district
attorney?
G
W
Senator
or
I
was
going
to
say,
turn
it
to
Senator
to
win,
but
she
told
me
to
handle
this
one,
so
I
got
it
assemblyman
Koenig
for
the
record.
Yes,
I
mean
that
is
one
of
the
duties
of
the
the
legal
representation
for
the
counties
they
attend.
W
I
I
was
on
the
library
board
that
the
council
attended
the
library
board
meetings
they
attend.
You
know
all
of
those
Advisory
board
meetings,
so
the
the
DA's
office
is
doing
that
now.
The
County
Council
when
created,
would
be
doing
that
also,
so
it
would
be
advising
not
only
the
county
but
all
of
all
of
their
advisory
boards.
A
So
for
the
record,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
when
we
heard
this
bill
in
March
of
2021,
I
also
said
that
it
was
a
double
win,
but
it
feels
almost
like
a
triple
win.
Now,
a
simply
woman
dread.
Y
Thank
you
you're
just
blasting.
It
today
aren't
we,
but
my
question
is:
can
you
give
an
example
of
a
conflict
that
may
that
the
district
attorney
has
to
represent
somebody
on
the
Civil
side,
as
well
as
for
to
fight
for
a
child,
for
example
in
in
that
manner
where
it
can
be
conflicting.
V
Although
I
think
Washoe
County
is
under
the
same
thing,
there
isn't
a
statutory
provision,
but
there
is
a
memorandum
of
understanding
between
Clark
County
representing
the
District
Attorney's
office
currently
represents
the
agency
as
well
the
Child
Welfare
agency,
but
they
also
are
in
the
process
of
Prosecuting
individuals
as
well
for,
like
cases
of
child
abuse
and
neglect
and
again
for
most
people
when
they
think
of
a
district
attorney's
office,
they
think
of
Prosecuting
crimes
and
in
the
current
model
we
have
a
situation
where
you
know
we
have
essentially
kind
of
like
three
little
three
different
like
responsibilities
within
the
District
Attorney's
office.
V
We
have
their
Civil
Division,
which
we
are
talking
about,
creating
like
a
division
of
County
Council,
that's
independent
from
the
District
Attorney's
Office,
advising
those
separate
elected
agencies,
agents
and
agencies,
I,
guess,
and
then
we
have
the
Criminal
Division.
That
does
prosecution,
which
is
what
I
think
most
people
typically
think
of
when
they
think
of
a
district
attorney's
office.
But
then
we
all
also
have
this
Juvenile,
Division
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
Miss
Duffy
will
be
here
to
present
or
answer
any
questions.
But
she.
A
V
V
One
of
the
things
in
reviewing
some
of
the
the
previous
minutes
is
from
Miss
Duffy
herself,
and
she
can
probably
elaborate
on
this.
She
indicated
that
this
is
not
a
typical
model
and
that,
while
yes,
there
could
be
a
situation
where,
in
one
court
and
one
like
place
or
one
Court,
they
are
advocating
on
behalf
of
an
agency
for
reunification
of
children
in
a
different
court,
with
the
same
law
firm
and
the
same
lawyers,
they
are
potentially
arguing
for
like
a
no
contact
order.
V
You
know
competing
and
conflicting,
like
things
and-
and
we
had
talked
about
whether
or
not
in
statute
there
was
enough
protections
to
like
create
that
screen
or
create
that
wall
or
create
like
a
conflict
check,
system
and
I
think
what
was
telling
was.
It
was
you'd
be
surprised
how
little
communication
there
is
between
those
but
I.
V
Don't
think
that
gives
that
should
give
our
state
the
confidence
that,
just
because
an
office
is
big
and
are
in
located
in
different
locations,
that
they
are
officially
screened
off,
and
that
is
the
statutory
protection
that
we
need
to
create
that
Independence,
because
I
wonder
if
they
had
a
more
streamlined
position
where
they
were
able
to
communicate
more
efficiently
and
like
they
have
common
systems
within
their
like
even
their
office.
V
So
I
think
that
is
where
you
potentially
see
that
in
that
Family,
Division
and
I
know
that
assemblyman
could
talk
about
some
of
those
conflicts
that
examples
of
those
conflicts
that
take
place
within
the
County
Civil
Civil
Division
and
the
County
Council
on.
Why
that's
needed
so
I'll
turn
that
over
to
him.
If
he
has
examples,
there.
W
I
I
think
at
this
point,
I
want
to
send
them
in
Koenig
for
the
record
I
think
this
point
I
want
to
hold
off
on
that
I
believe
there
might
be
a
few,
a
testimony
or
two
that
highlights
some
of
these
conflicts.
If
that
conflict
doesn't
come
out,
I'll
I'll
tell
it
briefly
in
my
closing
comments.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
again
for
your
presentation
this
morning
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
quick
clarification.
So
I
know
this
is
probably
addressed
in
sections
five
and
six.
So
one
a
county
that
does
want
to
go
ahead
and
allow
for
this
office
within
their
jurisdiction.
They
can
create
an
office.
I
just
want
to
be
one
individual
correct.
K
They
can
have
Deputy,
County,
Council,
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
then
number
two
will
this
office
be
directly
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
County
Commissioners,
or
will
there
be
a
subset
of
administrative
sort
of
oversight,
maybe
a
county
manager
so
on
and
so
forth?
Thank
you.
W
Yeah
they
can
hire
assemblyman
Koenig
for
the
record.
They
can
hire
as
many
as
they
need.
The
smaller
counties
will
probably
have
you
know
one
and
you
couldn't
expect
one
person
to
handle
Clark
County,
so
they
they
would
have
a
you
know
as
many
deputies
or
whatever
they
need
to
to
get
the
job
done.
W
I
had
the
answer
to
the
second
question,
but
I
forgot
what
it
was.
If
my
my
Fitbit
now
thinks
I'm
only
heavily
exercising
and
not
in
not
in
deep,
not
really
for
a
heart
attack.
But
if
you
could
remind
me
of
your
second
question,
assemblyman
to
Silva.
K
Maybe
Madam
chair
so
who
would
the
the
County
Council
be
who
to
answer
to?
Would
it
be
the
County
Commissioners
themselves
or
the
county
manager,
or
was
this
what's
the
the
polity
there.
W
Ultimately,
the
County
Commissioners
I'm
sure
they
would
delegate
probably
to
the
county
manager
to
handle
some
day-to-day
things,
but
ultimately
they
would
be
responsible
to
the
County
Commission
and
that's
one
of
the
small
little
changes
in
the
bill
from
when
senator
win
proposed.
It
is
in
her
version
the
county
manager
actually
appointed
the
legal,
the
city
council
and,
in
my
version
the
County
Commissioners
would
will
be
appointing
the
the
legal
counsel,
so
it
will
come
directly
to
them.
V
Senator
Rochelle
win
for
the
record
and
I
think
that
change
is
why
this
bill
will
be
successful.
This
third
time
around,
we
are
blasting
into
the
future,
I
think.
Ultimately,
it
should
fall
under
the
those
elected
officials
under
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
that
were
elected
in
their
own
right
to
have
their
choice
over
the
independent
Council
that
they
choose
to
hire.
A
A
I
do
have
just
one
quick
clarification
and
so
in
preparation
for
this
hearing,
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
look
over
the
minutes
from
both
2019
and
2021,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
noted
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
in
NRS
chapters
266
the
cities
currently
have
the
authority
to
create
the
city
attorney's
office
and
I
believe
that
some
of
our
cities
are
currently
doing
this.
So
this
would
just
make
counties
kind
of
up
to
par
with
what
the
cities
are
doing.
Is
that
correct.
V
V
From
my
experience,
I
think
they
are
all
like
appointed
by
the
city
council.
So
the
city
councils
are
appointing
the
city
attorneys
in
the
various
jurisdictions
within
Clark
County,
so
they
are
not
elected,
and
this
would
put
us
in
line
with
that
similar.
That's
similar,
like
you
know,
I,
guess,
policy
and
system.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
to
clarify
that
would
be
only
if
the
county
decided
to
do
that
right,
because
this
is.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
permissive
language.
It
doesn't
require
the
counties
do
that,
so
that
can
be
another
conversation
that
can
be
had
at
the
county
level
on
whether
it
makes
sense
for
individual
counties.
Correct.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
did
have
just
one
the
current
division,
civil
division
in
the
DA's
office
with
those
employees
of
the
DA's
office.
Could
the
County
Commissioners
use
them
as
their
civil
attorneys.
V
Rochelle
win
for
the
record
that
would
be
up
to
them
currently
like
at
least
in
Clark
County.
Even
the
Civil
Division
of
DA's
is
housed
within
the
Clark
County
like
building,
and
so
it
would
make
sense
that
they
would
want
to
do
that
if
they
chose
to
do
that.
That
would
be
completely
up
to
the
elected
Board
of
County
Commissioners
and
how
they
chose
to
like
fund
hire
fire
create
new,
like
positions,
but
it
is
set
up
where
it
could
be
a
seamless
transfer.
W
Cinnamon
coding
for
the
record
I
would
think
the
counties
would
welcome
the
people
who
are
serving
those
positions.
At
this
point
they
would
I
think
they
would
have
to
resigned
their
position
with
the
district
attorney,
so
they
wouldn't
be
called
District
Attorneys
anymore,
but
those
individuals
would
be
welcome
and
and
I
would
hope
that
those
would
be
the
people
that
would
end
up,
applying
and
being
hired
as
the
County
Council.
Z
Z
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Pete
Olson
I'm
here,
testifying
in
favor
of
ab-92
I've
spent
the
last
12
years
as
a
member
of
The
Churchill
County
Commission.
Last
eight
is
chair
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
a
couple
of
instances
where
we've
had
some
conflictions
in
matters
where
we
were
trying
to
conduct
business
as
County
Commission.
Z
Z
Z
So
we
hired
our
own
attorneys
and
stood
up
our
own
Public,
Defender's
Office
and
at
the
direction
of
the
Indigent
defense
commission,
we
were
told
we
could
not
use
our
civil
DA's
in
order
to
advise
us
in
the
process
of
standing
up
that
office
also
and
there's
times
when
the
D.A
is
there
in
a
for
budgetary
matters,
and
they
would
be
put
in
the
uncomfortable
position
of
having
to
advise
us
as
to
whether
something
is
good
or
not
good
for
them
in
particular,
or
that
we
should
or
should
not
provide
something
to
that
office
based
on
their
recommendations.
Z
Z
Corrupted
by
the
opportunity
to
hire
our
own
Council,
all
these
other
agencies
and
and
from
the
school
board
all
the
way
up
to
the
gov
and
cities
up
to
the
governor
would
also
be
corrupted,
and
that
just
doesn't
make
sense.
That's
not
true!
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
Thank
you
at
this
time.
I'll
invite
the
opposition
to
come
up
and
I
will
let
the
committee
know
that
I
have
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
Mr
Jones
yesterday
and
I
will
be
allowing
for
the
opposition
to
have
10
to
15
minutes
to
kind
of
give
their
remarks
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
we
get
to
adequately
and
fairly
hear
the
opposition
to
this
piece
of
legislation
and
whenever
you
all,
are
ready.
AA
Thank
you,
chair
Torres
members
of
the
assembly
government
Affairs
committee.
My
name
is
John
Jones
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Nevada
District
Attorneys
Association,
and
for
those
of
you
who
do
not
know
is.
This
is
my
first
time
in
here
this
session.
The
Nevada
District
Attorney's
Association
is
comprised
of
the
17
elected
district
attorneys
in
Nevada.
AA
With
that
in
mind,
it
is
important
to
Fashion
a
representation
model
that
best
leads
to
that
outcome.
Making
a
public
attorney,
providing
legal
advice
to
a
governmental
agency,
answerable
to
a
separately
elected
official,
provides
a
measure
of
Independence
to
that
attorney,
better,
ensuring
a
legally
and
ethically
sound
opinion
or
advice.
This
objectivity,
this
Independence
free
from
the
threat
of
reprisal,
ensures
that
that
advice
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
county
and
its
citizens.
AA
AA
The
question
you
need
to
answer
as
a
policy
is
what
is
the
best
model
of
representation
for
the
citizens
of
this
state,
the
citizens
of
that
County
and
we
submit
to
you
it's
the
current
model
with
that
chair
tours
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Sanford.
AA
AB
You
Mr
chair,
Joe
Sanford
for
the
record
Jos
e-p,
h
s,
a
n
f,
o
r
d.
The
D.A
represents
all
elected
officials,
including
the
County
Commission,
and
our
job
isn't
to
tell
them
what
to
do
it's
to
help
them
to
do
their
jobs
in
the
most
legally
sound
ethical
manner.
Possible
personal
opinion
is
not
something
to
be
considered,
for
example,
even
though
I'm
testifying
in
opposition
to
this
bill
today,
if
it
was
to
pass
and
our
County
Commission
asked
for
it
to
be
drafted
and
adopted,
I
would
still
draft
that
ordinance
at
their
request.
AB
Commissioner
Olsen
had
mentioned
that
there
was
some
conflicts
between
the
District
Attorney's
office
and,
for
example,
the
public
defender's
office.
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
there
is
no
conflict
between
the
District
Attorney's
office
and
the
County
Commission
as
it
relates
to
this.
AB
AB
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
there
was
some
strong
arming
of
the
counties
and
how
the
Public
Defense
stuff
was
set
up
with
requests
that
they
not
speak
with
their
Council
I.
Think
that's
pretty
clearly
an
error
and
should
never
have
happened.
The
District
Attorney's
office
is
there
to
provide
advice
to
help,
make
sure
that
it's
done
the
right
way.
AB
AC
Good
morning,
chair
committee
members,
my
name
is
Nathan
Edwards
I'm,
the
assistant
district
attorney
in
Washoe
County,
Civil
Division,
is
under
my
umbrella.
There
I've
been
in
that
position
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
Now
product
of
the
Washoe
County
School
District.
Here
I
I
heard
a
lot
of
comments
made
about
the
proposed
Bill
and
why
it
would
be
an
improvement.
For
example,
I
heard
some
of
them
in
Koenig
make
the
statement
that
why
should
one
elected
body
be
able
to
control
the
County
Commissioners,
the
other
elected
bodies,
but
in
in
washa
County?
AC
Just
for
example,
there
are
12
elected
officials
in
Washoe
County,
and
this
bill
would
turn
the
decision
of
who
the
legal
representative
would
be
over
to
five
of
those
elected
officials.
The
other
seven
would
not
get
to
have
a
say
in
who
it
was
that
represented
them,
whereas
now
it's
the
voters
that
make
that
call
and
I
think
that's
a
nice
place
to
err
on
the
side
of
in
our
system.
AC
When
I
took
this
position
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
I
immediately
instituted
something
called
a
conflicts
panel
within
our
office.
We
take
it
very
seriously.
We
conduct
very
gritty
analyzes
of
whether
a
conflict
exists.
We
have
done
a
number
of
those
analysis
along
the
way
and
I
can
tell
you
that
one
one
thing
in
my
experience
is
that
when
you
conflict
off
a
case,
clients
get
angry
with
you.
They
get
very
angry
with
you,
I
think
between
a
County
Council
and
an
a
separately
elected
District,
Attorney's
Office.
AC
The
DA's
office
is
in
a
better
position
to
give
that
objective
analysis,
because,
though
they
will
get
angry.
If
we
do
decide
to
conflict
off
a
case,
and
we
have
done
that-
and
this
has
happened-
we
are
protected
from
backlash
or
retaliation
for
political
reasons
or
those
types
of
things,
and
that
has
worked
very
well
and
within
our
office.
AC
I
I
think
that
the
assurances
that
you
were
hearing
a
bit
earlier
about
County
Council,
that's
appointed
by
and
answerable
to
the
County
Commission,
would
not
be
subject
to
influence
in
their
advice
and
the
way
they
handle
their
legal
representation
simply
because
they
have
an
abstract
duty
of
of
Candor
and
loyalty
and
those
types
of
things
that's
aspirational,
but
I
think
in
reality.
That's
not
what
you're
going
to
see.
AC
So,
on
the
one
hand,
you
have
assurances
that
they'll
remain
independent
and
on
the
other,
this
law
would
allow
them
to
get
rid
of
the
DA's
office.
If
they're
not
happy
with
them.
Doesn't
that
make
the
exact
opposite
point:
I
think
it
does,
and
the
pressure
will
be
there
once
this
law
is
in
place,
though
it
is
styled
as
permissive
DA's
at
that
point
will
be
looking
over
their
shoulder
in
terms
of
the
way
they
they
give
their
advice,
or
at
least
that
pressure
will
be
there.
AC
There
was
some
discussion
about
conflicts
between,
for
example,
the
the
criminal
prosecutors
and
the
Civil
Division
attorneys
in
CPS
matters
in
most
of
the
jurisdictions
of
the
state.
The
state
is
the
agency
that
provides
the
CPS
function.
Dcfs
provides
that
so
that
is
separate
from
the
the
District
Attorney's
Office
in
any
event,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
if
you
migrate
the
the
representation
to
a
County,
Council,
Office
you're
still
going
to
have
those
same
types
of
of
conflicting
scenarios
as
it
were
you're
going
to
have.
AC
The
current
conflict
system
allows
for
the
official
attorney
under
chapter
41
to
conflict
off
a
case
if
they
need
to
and
to
provide
outside
counsel
and
assist
the
client
in
obtaining
outside
counsel
if
they
want
it.
We've
done
that
multiple
times
in
my
tenure.
In
my
position
at
the
Washoe,
County
District
Attorney's
office
and
we've
had,
for
the
most
part,
success
in
doing
that,
apart
from
the
initial
sort
of
reaction
to
our
decision
to
conflict
off
that
I
referenced
earlier.
AC
So,
for
example,
in
the
middle
of
the
term
of
an
already
elected
district
attorney,
where
the
voters
chose
that
person
to
be
the
representative
of
the
county
commissions,
it
would
allow
that
County
Commission
to
step
in
basically
undo
that
election
take
that
portion
of
the
DA's
office
away
and
invest
it
into
into
a
county
council's
office.
So
it's
a
two-fold
distance
disenfranchisement
Factor
when
you
think
of
it.
In
those
terms,
those
are
I
have
other
points,
but
I
know
we're
short
on
time,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over.
AD
Thank
you
chair
and
members.
I
am
Bridget
Duffy
I'm,
the
assistant
district
attorney
in
Clark
County
over
the
juvenile
division
and
I,
see
I,
have
about
three
minutes
and
30
seconds
so
I'm
also
going
to
say
the
please
miss
Deputy.
Okay,
it's
just
very
this.
For
those
who
don't
know
me
and
I
know
many
of
you
from
interim
committees
and
and
through
the
sessions
but
I've
dedicated
23
years
of
my
entire
career
in
the
state
of
Nevada
to
child
welfare
agency
issues
in
various
roles.
AD
You
could
read
my
bio
if
you
want,
but
in
20
12
I
was
appointed
by
now
a
D.A
Steve
Wolfson
to
the
position
of
overseeing
the
entire
juvenile
division
in
Clark
County.
That
came
with
a
very
big
responsibility,
because
in
2012
when
Steve
put
me
in
the
position,
he
said
that
the
community,
once
my
juvenile
division
to
represent
the
Child
Welfare
agency
in
all
matters
under
NRS
432b.
AD
So
at
that
time,
I
had
to
take
the
prosecutors
that
I
had
in
my
division
and
convince
them
that
it
was
a
good
thing
to
do
so.
This
bill
is
very
personal
to
me,
because
I
led
a
group
of
people
who
went
to
law
school
and
were
hired
by
a
district
attorney's
office
as
prosecutors
to
become
agency
attorneys
and
to
still
prosecute
those
cases
of
abuse
and
neglect
in
Family
Court
to
protect
children.
AD
AD
So
without
2012
and
me
coming
to
my
division
and
saying
we're
going
to
enter
into
this
agreement
to
represent
the
Child
Welfare
agency
I,
wouldn't
you
were
not
going
to
hear
from
the
opposition
from
one
part
of
my
attorneys.
They
wouldn't
be
faced
with
having
to
leave
a
union
and
and
take
on
a
whole
different
role
within
the
county,
and
some
of
them
have
been
attorneys
in
the
division
for
many
many
years.
AD
So,
having
said
that,
I
want
to
discuss
the
conflicts
that
were
mentioned
and
I
thank
Senator
Nguyen
for
her
kind
words
as
to
my
leadership
and
representation
of
children
in
our
community.
AD
Both
the
Criminal
Division
and
the
juvenile
division
have
child
protection
in
mind.
I,
don't
think
that's
a
difference.
Criminal
is
very
punitive
child
welfare.
We
are
under
state
and
federal
guidelines
timelines
to
meet
for
federal
funding,
to
work
toward
reunification
of
children
with
families.
If
safe
my
prosecutors
handle
child
sexual
abuse,
they
handle
child
physical
abuse.
They
handle
cases
where
a
child
has
been
killed
and
there
are
surviving
siblings.
It's
not
just
your
basic
drug
cases,
so
they
are
all
very
trained
prosecutors.
AD
There
are
also
two
DA's
in
the
Civil
Division
that
handle
Personnel
matters
for
the
child,
welfare
agencies
and
lawsuits.
So
if
a
family
sues
the
agency
for
abuse
in
foster
care,
that
is
not
what
my
agency
does
my
division
prosecutes
petitions,
so
we
have
the
safety
model.
Furthermore,
current
Statute
in
nrs-432b
permits
communication
encourages
communication
between
the
Child
Welfare
agency
and
law
enforcement
and
District
Attorney's,
Office,
investigating
and
Prosecuting
cases
of
abuse
and
neglect.
It
is
encouraged
that
we
communicate
so
that
we
have
the
safety
and
protection
of
children
in
mind.
AD
Furthermore,
all
of
our
cases
are
overseen
by
courts.
So
in
my
case,
we
have
a
juvenile
court
who
oversees
whether
or
not
it
is
safe
for
a
child
to
go
home.
Everybody
has
lawyers,
the
child
has
a
lawyer.
The
parents
have
a
lawyer.
The
agency
has
a
lawyer.
The
court
determines
whether
or
not
there
will
be
contact
or
no
contact
in
a
criminal
case.
There
is
a
whole
separate
judge
that
will
decide
whether
or
not
there's
contact
or
no
contact.
AD
The
statute
permits
us
to
share
all
the
Child
Welfare
information
with
the
parent
or
their
attorney,
and
if
it's
not
a
parent,
if
it's
a
boyfriend
or
some
other
person
in
the
home,
they
are
also
permitted
to
get
that
information.
So
everybody
gets
the
same
information
everybody's
entitled
to
the
same
information,
how
they
use
it
in
their
cases,
is
up
to
them.
AD
So
just
to
sum
up
and
I
think
I've
made
it
almost
I
have
68
staff,
so
31
attorneys
and
the
rest
are
staff
in
the
juvenile
division.
We
work
really
hard
to
be
trained
and
experts
in
juvenile
law,
in
juvenile
brain
development
and
in
trauma
impacts
on
children's
development.
AD
If
this
bill
passes
and
the
County
Commission
determines
to
create
the
office
of
County
Council,
one
I
don't
know
where
my
job
is
because
I
oversee
an
entire
division,
delinquency
and
child
welfare
and
I've
done
a
lot
for
our
community
to
make
sure
that
we
are
thoughtful
in
every
decision
we
make
for
children.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
us
the
extra
time
chair.
A
Thank
you
and
let
the
record
reflect
that
the
opposition
did
have
17
minutes
to
present
to
present
their
case.
I
do
know
that
a
couple
members
have
questions,
but
I
will
remind
the
committee
that
we
also
have
floor.
So
I
would
like
to
open
it
up
for
questions,
though,
because
I
think
that's
how
we
make
sure
that
we
have
a
good
bill
hearing
so
members
any
additional
questions.
A
A
Miss
Duffy
I'm,
just
asking
like
you,
could
get
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
what
currently
the
interaction
is
between
the
city,
attorney's
office,
I
I
apologize
between
the
County's
office
when
you're
looking
at
like
civil
cases,
so,
for
example,
when
we're
looking
at
the
family
reunification
and
then
what
happens
when
we're
also
Prosecuting
for
child
neglect
cases
and
because
both
of
those
cases,
my
understanding,
would
be
under
the
District
Attorney's
office.
I
want
to
know
how
the
agency
is
interacting
with
one
another
Thank.
AD
You
Bridget
Duffy
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
that
question
chair.
Currently,
the
process
in
place
is
whether
it
be
from
the
Criminal
Division
of
the
District
Attorney's
office
or
a
a
public
defender
representing
a
parent
in
a
criminal
case.
They
would
do
a
records
request,
which
is
a
form,
a
formal
request
that
gets
siphoned
through
a
computer
system.
It
comes
out.
AD
One
of
my
staff
members
makes
sure
that
it
fits
statute
that
we
are
permitted
to
provide
them
with
information
on
what
is
going
on
with
the
case
and
if
it
does,
they
redact
any
information
that
they
would
not
be
entitled
to
by
Statute.
That
statute
I'm
referring
to
is
NRS,
432b
290,
and
then
they
would
provide
that
packet
of
information
over
to
the
Criminal
Division.
AD
There
are
also
Co
just
in
in
full
transparency
during
an
investigation
of
say,
a
child
death
or
a
child
sexual
abuse
case.
We
do
have
a
joint
meetings
with
law
enforcement
because
there
may
not
you
not
to
get
too
far
down
so
criminals,
Beyond
A,
Reasonable,
Doubt,
child
protection
cases
are
preponderance
of
the
evidence.
AD
So
criminal
may
never
even
open
a
case,
but
in
order
to
just
get
all
the
information
at
once,
we
meet
together
as
a
multi-disciplinary
team
with
law
enforcement
to
see
what
the
evidence
is
and
determine
whether
or
not
we
need
to
protect
the
children
and
provide
services
for
the
family
or
whether
or
not.
There
is
also
possibly
enough
to
move
forward
with
a
Criminal
Case
oftentimes.
My
division
is
the
only
division
taking
that
case
forward
because
of
evidentiary
issues,
but
offering
services
to
families.
A
Thank
you
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
so
could
you
clarify,
like
in
the
private
sector,
would
attorneys
be
able
to
have
both
criminal
and
civil
cases
where
they're,
representing
different
parties
would
that
be
allowed
in
the
private
sector?.
AD
A
AA
Jon
Jones
on
behalf
of
the
Nevada
District
Attorney's
Association.
If
look
we're
governed
by
the
rules
of
professional
conduct
and
Rule
1.7
of
Nevada's
rules
of
professional
conduct
says
a
conflict
occurs
if
representation
of
one
client
will
be
directly
adverse
to
that
of
another
client,
and
so
what
we're
hearing
here
a
lot
is
the
use
of
the
word
conflict
thrown
around,
but
conflict
in
Nevada
has
a
specific
statutory
meaning.
AA
AA
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
being
here
and
a
special
shout
out
to
Washoe
gotta,
get
that
in
just
just
a
question.
There
you've
you've
raised
quite
a
few
issues
and
challenges
that
could
arise
from
a
bill
like
this
being
passed
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear.
My
understanding
is
that
really
the
main
objective
is
to
allow
remember
my
context
of
school
board
context
right
as
you
know,
but
they
may
not.
D
AA
Jon
Jones
on
behalf
of
the
Nevada
District
Attorney's,
Association,
that
this
bill
is
actually
broader
than
that.
When
you
look
at
section
five
I
believe
it
is,
there's
a
whole
host
of
other
things
that
the
board
is
allowed
to
add
into
the
job
of
the
County
Council,
including
representing
the
agency,
any
civil
matter,
matters
related
to
the
abuse
or
neglect
of
a
child
pursuant
to
432
B.
AA
So
they
could
include
that
as
part
of
their
office
of
County
Council,
and
what
Miss
Duffy
is
indicating
her
juvenile
division,
which
works
closely
with
the
432b
proceedings,
would
remain
in
the
DA's
office.
But
the
Child
Welfare
agency
attorneys
would
go
off
to
the
County
Council,
thus
causing
a
split
in
the
agency.
She's
worked
so
hard
to
pull
together,
I.
A
A
taking
down
here
in
Carson
City?
Is
there
anyone
in
Las
Vegas
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
to
ab-92
when
you're
ready,
and
there
is
room
for
up
to
three
people
at
the
table,
so
feel
free
to
just?
Have
them
come
up
everybody?
That's
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
and
every
person
can
speak
on
their
own
time.
AF
Thank
you,
chairman
Torres.
My
name
is
Amity
Latham
I
am
a
member
of
the
Clark
County
Prosecutors
Association
and
my
job
is
I'm,
a
chief
Deputy
district
attorney
in
the
juvenile
division
in
the
Clark
County
District
Attorney's
office
on
behalf
of
the
Clark
County
Prosecutors
Association
I
am
here
in
opposition
to
AB
92..
AF
Jones
opposition
to
the
bill,
I
have
been
employed
by
the
Clark
County
District
Attorney's
office
for
18
years,
as
of
March
28th
and
I
have
been
a
chief
Deputy
for
13
of
those
years
and
for
over
17
and
a
half
of
those
years,
I've
been
assigned
to
the
Juvenile
Division
I
was
I,
am
assigned
to
miss
Duffy's
division,
but
I
have
worked
for
other
leaders
in
that
Division
and
I
have
the
unique
of
experience
of
having
done
both
delinquency
cases
and
also
child
welfare
cases.
I'm
currently
assigned
as
a
child.
AF
Okay,
that
I
in
conclusion,
in
2020,
during
a
global
pandemic,
we
continue
to
work
under
extreme
stress
in
a
stressful
position
working
on
child
welfare
cases,
we're
members
of
the
Clark
County
Prosecutors
Association,
and
by
putting
us
in
the
Clark
County
by
putting
us
in
the
office
of
County
Council,
we
would
be
excluded
from
membership
in
this
Association.
It
is
not
just
a
collective
bargaining
unit.
It's
a
group
of
individuals.
A
Who
have
died
and
ma'am
I
I
will
ask
that
if
you
give
our
any
written
remarks
to
the
committee
staff
in
southern
Nevada
and
then
we'll
make
sure
that
we
get
it
submitted
to
all
committee
members.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
else
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
to
ab-92
in
Las
Vegas.
W
Thank
you,
chair,
Torres
is
assuming
Koenig
for
the
record.
I
know
that
we're
in
a
time
crunch,
I'll
keep
this
short
I'm.
Just
the
eye
doctor
from
Churchill
County
Senator
Nguyen
is
the
high-powered
attorney
from
Clark
County.
She
had
some
responses
to
the
questions
or
the
concerns
about
from
the
Child
Welfare,
and
she
would
be
happy
to
answer
those.
W
If
you
need
questions
answered
there,
it
was
Technical
and
I
didn't
quite
understand
it.
So
she
she'd
be
the
one
to
ask
on
that.
Just
in
closing,
I
want
to
say,
assembly,
Bill
92
authorizes
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
to
create,
by
ordinance
the
office
of
County
Council,
to
perform
many
of
the
non-criminal
duties
assigned
to
the
district
attorney.
W
I
want
to
end
with
a
couple
other
comments,
so
they
kept
bringing
up
who's
in
you
know,
as
far
as
the
County
Council,
whose
interests
are
they
serving
and
I,
want
to
bring
up
the
example
of
Mr
Joe
Sanford
I
I,
like
him
I,
think
we're
friends
I
think
we
get
along
well,
but
he
is
the
district
deploy
from
the
district
attorney
assigned
to
represent
the
county.
Yet
he's
here
testifying
in
favor
of
the
District
Attorney's
office,
so
whose
interest
is
he
serving?
W
W
Someone
who
has
your
back
doesn't
have
the
district
attorneys
back.
They
say
that
the
County
Council
will
be
influenced
by
the
board.
Well
right
now,
the
County
Council
is
influenced
by
the
D.A.
So
you
there's
a
conflict
there,
there's
more
conflicts
that
I
could
go
into,
but
I
know
we
need
to
be
on
the
floor,
so
I
would
End
by
hearing
this
time.
Thank
you
all
for
listening
to
this
long
hearing.
A
A
That
definitely
was
a
blast.
I
will
now
go
ahead
and
invite
anyone
wishing
to
testify
in
public
comment.
Every
person
has
two
minutes
to
provide
testimony.
Public
comment
may
be
submitted
in
writing
to
the
committee
after
24
hours
after
the
hearing
at
this
time.
Is
there
anyone
in
person
wishing
to
give
public
comment
here
in
Las
Vegas
or
in
Carson
City.
A
I
do
not
see
anyone
BPS
is
there
anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
give
public
comment.
L
AG
I
would
just
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
public
records
law
and
how
the
police
in
Washoe
County
try
to
skirt
around
that.
So
when
the
police
kill
a
Community
member,
they
recently
released
body
cam
footage
within
two
weeks.
However,
they
blur
out
the
officers
faces
and
their
Badges
and
their
names,
but
they
leave
the
body
cam
serial
number.
AG
So
as
a
public
wreck,
someone
who
does
public
records
requests,
often
I
put
in
a
public
records
request
for
the
hacks
on
body,
cam
evidence
Trail
log
for
two
of
the
serial
numbers
that
I
saw
on
a
deadly
fourth,
video
and
I
was
provided
the
documents
that
had
the
name
of
the
officer
on
them
and
then,
when
Sparks
police
caught
on
it
seems
to
what
I
was
trying
to
obtain
through
the
public
records
request.
The
next
request,
I
put
in
for
the
same
exact
document
for
a
different
serial
number.
AG
They
then
blacked
out
the
officer's
name
on
it
and
cited
I.
Think
the
case
is
Dawn
Reed
of
Nevada,
which
is
they
used
to
do
all
kinds
of
blanket
exceptions
and
it's
clear
if
they
released
it.
The
first
time
that
exception
didn't
apply
and
they're
just
trying
to
stifle
transparency,
and
they
should
be
accountable
and
transparent
with
the
community.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
remarks
from
the
committee
members
all
right,
just
a
reminder
to
the
committee
tomorrow
we
will
hear
presentations
from
the
city
of
Henderson,
as
well
as
the
city
of
North,
Las
Vegas
and
we'll
have
a
hearing
from
one
of
our
committee
members
ab180,
which
revises
the
bargaining
units
of
certain
state
employees
who
are
peace
officers
at
this
time.
The
meeting
is
adjourned.