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A
B
The
finance
committee.
This
would
affect
our
Medicare
Plan
and
I
am
happy
to
report
that
the
impact
would
be
minimal
on
the
state,
Medicare
Plan
less
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
I
believe
that
there
are
Representatives
here
in
the
room
to
to
speak
to
that
and
I
know
that
you
like
to
keep
your
your
hearings
moving
along.
So
I
will
just
stand
open
for
questions
happy
to
talk
more
about
the
policy
or
about
the
fiscal
impact.
A
D
Thank
you.
It's
wonderful
to
be
here.
Thank
you,
chair
down
to
aralu
for
hearing
this
bill,
the
fiscal
notes
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Brooke.
Malath
I've,
been
here
many
many
times
before,
advocating
for
the
Health
and
Welfare
of
the
transgender
population
in
Nevada.
I
have
also
been
for
20
years
a
doing
business
analysis
and
financial
projections
for
health
care
and
I
will
suggest
that
the
small
Financial
note
is
sort
of
a
worst
case
scenario.
D
D
So
we
can
pay
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
budget
or
we
can
pay
a
huge
amount
of
penalty.
That's
what
it
comes
down
to.
We
also
have
precedent
in
this
state,
as
was
heard
in
the
policy
committee,
where
a
an
individual
covered
by
our
own
PIP
plan
filed
a
complaint
because
of
coverage
of
some
of
these
procedures
and
ended
up
having
the
the
PED
plan
covering
all
of
these
procedures
for
everybody,
and
they
had
to
pay
a
penalty
of
45
000.
D
On
top
of
that,
which
is
about
the
same
price
as
what
the
procedure
cost
to
begin
with.
So
do
you
want
to
pay
once
or
do
you
want
to
pay
triple
to
quadruple
covering
you
know,
approving
this
financial
note
means
you
only
have
to
pay
it
once
it's
The
Prudent
and
fiscally
conservative
thing
to
do
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
vote.
A
Thank
you
very
much
alrighty
with
that
any
additional
Carson
City
support,
Las
Vegas
I,
see
none
BPS.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
phone
lines.
F
F
They
have
imposed
a
considerable
financial
burden
on
me
and
cause
significant
stress.
The
process
of
appealing
denials
for
medically
necessary
gender
affirming
surgeries
have
been
both
frustrating
and
emotionally
draining.
I
firmly
believe
that
all
employees,
irrespective
of
their
gender
identity,
should
be
Equitable
access
to
medically
necessary
treatments
and
procedures
that
support
their
health
and
well-being.
I
implore
you,
as
members
of
the
science
Senate
finance
committee,
to
address
these
discriminatory
exclusions
in
the
Clark
County
self-funded
medical
plan.
F
A
G
H
J
T-E-R-E-F-A-L-I-E-B-E-R-M-A-N-N-Hyphen
p,
a
r
r,
a
g,
a
deputy
director
of
battleborn
progress,
and
just
want
to
reiterate
that
gender
affirming
care
is
health
care
and,
as
previous
testimony
has
said,
this
is
a
wise
investment,
especially
for
people
like
the
public
employees.
We've
heard
from
thank
you
very
much.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
you're,
all
working
very
hard.
My
name
is
Janine
Hansen
I'm,
the
State
president
of
Nevada
families
for
freedom.
We
have
concerns
about
this
bill
and
the
fiscal
notes.
It
shows
nearly
five
million
dollars
as
a
cost
to
taxpayers.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
been
changed,
but
it
isn't
changed
online,
so
we're
concerned
about
taxpayers
paying
for
this
kind
of
surgery.
K
We're
also
concerned
about
the
fact
that
this
does
not
include
and
which
is
discriminatory:
a
religious
exemption
for
medical
providers
or
small
businesses
that
may
have
religious
objections
to
providing
treatment
or
insurance
for
gender
dysphoria
treatment
and
sex
change.
Surgery
I've
expressed
this
many
times
over
the
years
in
this
building
that
those
with
religious
convictions
will
be
discriminated
against.
Another
issue,
I
think,
is
that
every
time
we
increase
the
things
that
we're
paying
for
with
taxes
as
an
ongoing
situation,
because
this
is
going
to
be
ongoing.
K
It's
not
going
to
be
for
the
next
two
years
that
we
continue
to
place
fiscal
burdens
on
our
taxpayers
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you're
aware,
but
the
institute
for
policy
innovation
has
stated
that
federal
state,
local
taxes
and
hidden
taxes
are
equal,
a
personal's
annual
consumption
spending
of
56
percent,
that's
more
than
they
spend
on
housing,
food
clothing,
Transportation
education
and
health
care.
So
the
more
we
burden,
the
taxpayers,
the
less
they're
able
to
take
care
of
themselves
with
every
single
thing
that
we
do.
K
Chris
Hyde
the
director
of
RF
said
there
is
a
huge
uncertainty
over
whether
changing
someone's
sex
is
good
or
a
bad
thing,
while
no
great
care
is
taken
to
ensure
the
appropriate
patients
undergo
gender
reassignment.
There
is
great
care.
There
is
still
a
large
number
of
people
who
have
surgery
but
remain
traumatized
often
to
the
point
of
committing
suicide.
This
is
still
to
some
degree,
not
resolved
within
the
medical
community.
This
was
a
review
of
more
than
a
hundred
International
medical
studies
of
post-operative
transsexuals
by
the
University
of
Birmingham.
L
You
thank
you
good
afternoon,
Madam,
chair
and
council
members.
My
name
is
Kathleen
Palmer
p-a-l-m-e-r,
the
medical
industrial
complex,
is
very
excited
about
new
opportunities
to
trans
children
and
adults.
While
hormones
and
surgical
procedures
are
very
lucrative.
Medical
providers
bear
none
of
the
responsibility
or
risk
when
these
treatments
fail
and
leave
lifelong
complications
and
injuries.
The
risk
is
borne
by
the
victims
and
their
families,
for
example,
when
a
14
year
old
has
a
double
mastectomy.
L
What
happens
when
this
teen
grows
to
be
a
woman
and
desires
to
breastfeed
her
child
while
cosmetically
her
breasts
could
be
restored?
Function
has
been
lost
forever.
Jamie
Reed,
a
queer
woman
who
worked
as
a
case
manager
at
the
transgender
Center
at
St,
Louis
Children's
Hospital
shares
her
experience.
L
One
of
the
saddest
cases
of
detransition
eyewitness
was
a
teenage
girl
who
was
put
on
hormones
when
she
was
around
16.
when
she
was
18.
She
had
a
double
mastectomy.
Three
months
later,
she
called
the
surgeon's
office
to
say
she
was
going
back
to
her
birth
name.
She
told
the
nurse
I
want
my
breasts
back.
L
M
M
Instead
of
improving
their
quality
of
life,
it
often
does
horrific
things
to
their
bodies.
I
have
heard
multiple
testimonies
from
young
people
who
have
severe
health
issues,
including
pain
and
non-functioning
urination
sterility
and
iravis
versable
damage
to
their
bodies.
Please
do
not
mandate
this
funding
due
to
the
extreme
nature
of
this
treatment
and
surgery.
Thank
you
would.
N
Good
afternoon
chairwoman
and
committee,
my
name
is
Lynn
Chapman
and
I'm.
The
state
treasurer
of
the
independent
American
party
and
the
IAP
is
concerned
about
taxpayer
money.
Five
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money.
American
hospitals
have
large
Financial
incentives
to
carry
out
gender
reassignment
procedures
in
the
United
States.
The
sex
reassignment
surgery
Market
is
such
set
to
reach
a
market
value
of
more
than
1.5
billion
dollars
by
2026..
Some
operations
cost
up
to
53
700
performing
50
of
these
a
year
brings
in
2.7
million
dollars.
N
A
J
Foreign.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Elita
Benson
executive
director
of
the
Nevada
Republican
party,
testifying
in
opposition
to
SB
163
on
behalf
of
the
Nevada
Republican
Party,
the
2010
Affordable
Care
Act,
roughly
quadrupled
health
insurance
premiums,
primarily
through
elimination
of
medical
underwriting
and
by
forcing
consumers
to
purchase
coverage
they'll,
never
need,
for
example,
the
Affordable
Care
Act
famously
requires
maternity
coverage
even
for
policies
sold
to
men.
Insurance
professionals
saw
firsthand
the
financial
Devastation
caused
by
the
Affordable
Care
Act.
J
Sb
163
continues
this
destructive
path
by
forcing
100
of
consumers
to
pay
for
coverage
that
only
a
small
fraction
of
one
percent
of
them
will
ever
need.
The
fifth
version
of
the
diagnostic
and
statistical
Manual
of
mental
disorders
estimates
that
up
to
.014
percent
of
males
and
.003
percent
of
females
will
be
diagnosed
with
gender
dysphoria,
worse
SB
163
mandates
that
Medicaid
will
cover
surgical
treatment
of
gender
dysphoria.
There
is
no
reason
that
Nevada
taxpayers
should
be
picking
up
the
tab
for
unproven
cosmetic
treatments.
J
However,
the
most
disturbing
feature
of
sb163
is
that
it
enables
the
exploitation
of
miners
by
the
medical
and
education
Industries.
This
bill
allows
children
to
obtain
permanent
surgical
procedures
paid
for
by
our
tax
dollars.
It
does
not
require
any
parental
notification.
The
only
guidance
needed
for
these
children
to
permanently
alter
their
bodies
comes
from
those
who
profit
from
the
procedures.
J
There
is
disagreement
in
the
medical
field
about
the
benefits
and
dangers,
gender
reassignment
as
a
treatment
for
gender
dysphoria.
If
consenting
adults
want
to
opt
for
the
treatments
described
in
163
on
their
own
dime,
that's
their
call,
they
have
the
majority,
they
have
the
maturity
and
ability
to
do
to
properly
consider
the
risks
and
benefits,
but
it
is
unconscionable
that
we
would
encourage
permanent
mutilation
of
children,
particularly
without
parental
notification
and
guidance.
This
bill
allows
children
to
make
permanent
decisions
with
lifelong
consequences.
Please
protect
Healthcare
health
insurance,
consumers,
Nevada
taxpayers
and
vulnerable
children.
P
This
bill
requires
that
insurance
insurers
cover
pharmaceutical
and
surgical
interventions
for
minors
as
a
treatment
for
mental
health
disorder,
and
these
interventions
are
not
safe
or
reversible.
No
matter
what
activists
and
financially
interested
professionals
may
claim.
Dr
Stefan
Levine
is
an
expert.
He
sits
on
the
Cochran
Review
Committee.
That's
currently
evaluating
the
totality
of
the
literature
on
this
issue.
It
was
also
an
early
member
of
wpath
and
helped
draft
an
earlier
version
of
their
standards
of
care.
P
He
states
that,
while
children
with
gender
dysphoria
do
report
more
Suicidal,
Thoughts
there's
no
evidence
that
they
act
on
those
feelings
of
a
higher
rate
than
other
children.
He
also
notes
that
without
these
interventions,
the
vast
majority
of
students
or
children's
will
desist,
meaning
their
body
discomfort
will
resolve.
On
the
other
hand,
the
evidence
suggests
that
social
transition
and
affirmative
care
sharply
increase
the
rate
of
persistence.
Almost
all
children
who
are
given
puberty
blockers
will
later
take
hormones
and
have
surgery,
adults
who
identify
as
transgender.
P
Do
you
have
a
very
high
suicide
rate,
but
this
is
not
impacted
by
whether
they
were
able
to
transition
early
describing
these
interventions,
as
life-saving
care
is
completely
erroneous,
does
not
comport
with
reality.
These
are
experimental
treatments
and
all
over
Europe
we're
seeing
Nations
that
previously
allowed
minor
transition
to
change
their
laws
and
prohibit
it
based
on
mounting
evidence,
but
it
is
not
helpful
in
the
long
run.
The
people
who
push
for
this
and
specialize
in
it
are
ideologues.
They
believe
that
gender
is
somehow
unrelated
to
the
physical
body.
P
Okay
simultaneously,
they
state
that
little
children
are
capable
of
knowing
a
true
gender
that
differs
from
their
natal
sex,
with
what
uncertainty
that
we
should
permanently
alter
their
bodies
and
Minds
with
drugs
and
surgeries.
This
is
an
incoherent
position.
It's
not
grounded
biological
reality
or
anything.
We
know
about
child
development.
P
Adults
can
do
what
they
like
with
their
own
bodies.
They
should
pay
for
it
themselves.
Children
are
incapable
of
consenting
to
procedures
of
this
magnitude.
Furthermore,
there
is
no
parental
right
to
medically
abuse
a
child.
It
is
unacceptable
to
force
all
nevadans
who
pay
premiums
into
financing
this,
please
take
a
stand
for
reality
and
vote
no
on
SB
163.
Thank
you.
J
Casey
Rogers
for
the
record.
Here
we
go
again
with
the
under
17.
again
taking
the
rights
away
from
parents
they're
that
make
the
best
decisions
for
their
children.
Your
bill
hit
at
kids,
17
and
under
while
their
brains
are
still
developing,
not
old
enough
to
die
in
war,
buy
alcohol
or
cigarettes,
but
old
enough
to
permanently
maim
themselves
all
the
while
using
psychologists,
psychiatrists
and
Physicians
as
political
pawns
to
this
scheme
to
contribute
to
taking
on
the
way
of
parental
rights.
J
Once
you
let
bills
like
this
pass,
you
start
to
normalize
dysphoric
ideology,
normalizing
many
things
like
pedophilia,
normalizing,
maiming
and
changing
human
beings
altering
them.
The
question
is
why,
and
why
are
children
at
the
Forefront
of
this
agenda,
actually
you're
trying
to
normalize
a
transhuman
trans
humanist
agenda?
Do
you
even
know
what
that
word
means?
J
J
Hi,
my
name
is:
Lisa
parties
spelled
p
as
in
Paul
a
r
t,
as
in
Tom
e
e.
I
vehemently
oppose
this
bill.
Any
medical
professional
who
has
religious
beliefs
should
be
able
to
opt
out
of
these
treatments
and
children
shouldn't
be
exposed
to
these
surgeries
until
they're
old
enough
to
know
if
it's
truly
what
they
want
in
their
of
age.
J
To
make
that
decision,
a
prior
hearing
indicated
that
no
one
under
18
would
have
these
treatments,
but
hormone
blockers
have
to
be
utilized
prior
to
puberty,
and
this
bill
allows
kids
to
have
procedures
without
parental
consent,
so
that
testimony
was
incorrect
and
untruthful.
This
is
a
medical
industrial,
complex
money,
making
machine.
Why,
on
Earth?
Should
taxpayers
pay
for
this
picking
winners
and
losers
for
free
elective
surgeries?
The
treatment
is
never
a
good
idea.
J
We
are
over
taxed
overburdened
and
really,
over
this
whole
push
to
get
people
to
change
their
sex
from
that
which
they
were
born
with
that's
a
personal
choice
and
decision
and
jury
that
we
should
not
have
to
pay
for.
These
are
not
medically
necessary
treatment,
minutes
or
procedures.
These
are
elective
procedures.
The
answer,
on
the
other
hand,
is
not
a
choice,
so
if
you
feel
we
need
to
pay
for
surgeries
how
about
cancer
surgeries
that
cause
many
people
to
go
bankrupt
in
their
lifetimes.
This
is
offensive
and
ridiculous.
J
I
would
like
breast
enhancements.
If
my
insurance
company
doesn't
choose
to
cover
these
because
they're
not
medically
necessary,
then
I
just
have
to
figure
it
out,
but
I
wouldn't
dream
of
asking
other
people
to
pay
for
procedures.
I
choose
to
undergo
and
I,
don't
appreciate
the
pay
it
once
or
pay
it
more
in
penalties
idea
either.
This
is
not
something
taxpayers
should
have
to
pay,
for.
This
is
not
the
lesser
of
those
two
evils
and
I
Echo
all
prior
opposition
testimony.
Thank
you.
Q
J
My
name
is
Susan
profit,
p-r-o-f-f-I-t-t
and
I'm.
The
vice
president
of
the
Nevada
Republican
Club
I
am
really
kind
of
surprised
to
see
this
bill
continuing
when
you
are
not
even
looking
at
the
more
critical
bills
that
we
need
for
education
and
elections.
Here
you
want
to
raise
our
taxes
and
have
us
pay
for
gender,
changing
surgeries
and
and
services
that
are
not
warranted,
and
you
don't
even
want
us
to
know
about
it
when
it's
our
underage
children.
J
This
is
against
the
Constitution
as
a
lot
of
the
bills
that
I
have
seen
come
across
our
desk
from
you
recently
and
I'm
I'm,
shocked
and
I
I
just
want
to
ask
you:
have
you
decided
to
wage
war
against
your
constituents
I'm
serious?
This
is
just
egregious
what
you
all
are
trying
to
do
to
the
families
you're
destroying
the
families.
R
Hello,
everybody,
my
name
is
Leslie
Quinn
and
I'm.
Actually,
here
in
Las,
Vegas
I
was
upstairs
waiting
for
this
I've
been
here
since
this
morning.
So
would
you
prefer
me
to
be
on
the
phone
or
on
the
mic.
J
S
Hi,
my
name
is
Leslie
Quinn
l-e-s-l-I-e,
last
name:
Quinn
q-u-I-n-n
I
oppose
SB
163,
which
mandates
insurance
companies
and
Medicaid
paid
for
by
taxpayers
to
pay
for
gender,
dysphoria
treatments
and
sexual
surgery.
This
bill
does
not
include
a
religious
exemption
for
medical
providers
or
small
businesses
that
may
have
religious
objections
to
providing
treatment
or
insurance
for
gender
dysphoria
treatment
and
surgery.
Many
young
people
later
regret
the
life-changing
decision
to
hormonally
and
surgically
alter
their
bodies,
rendering
them
sterile.
Also
as
taxpayers,
we
object
to
having
to
use
our
tax
dollars
for
this.
S
This
is
more
of
a
sociology
thing,
not
a
biology
thing,
no
matter
what
happens
to
anyone,
we
are
still.
We
still
have
our
same
chromosomal
makeup.
This
is
very
damaging
political
ideology
and
I.
Just
ask
my
legislate
all
legislators
and
my
legislators
in
ad5
and
sd8
to
stand
with
me
in
opposition
to
SB
163..
Thank
you.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
all
right
with
that
closing
comments.
Senator
scheibel.
B
Well,
chair,
dondero,
Loop,
Senate
finance
committee
I
certainly
touched
a
nerve.
It
seems,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
we
have
a
lot
to
do
today,
but
I
do
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
of
pieces
of
misinformation.
I
think
you
heard
during
opposition
testimony
and
point
out
that
this
bill
does
nothing
to
change
the
types
of
care
that
is
available
to
children
and
the
types
of
Parental
notification
and
parental
consent
that
is
necessary
for
a
child
to
receive
any
type
of
Medical
Care
in
the
state
of
Nevada.
B
What
SB
163
is
designed
to
do
is
to
provide
for
Equity
equity
in
two
different
ways.
First
of
all,
it
is
designed
to
ensure
that
no
matter
who
your
insurance
company
is
whether
it's
provided
by
the
state,
whether
it's
provided
by
your
employer,
whether
it's
purchased
on
the
open
market,
whoever
your
insurance
company
is,
they
all
have
the
same
obligations
and
responsibilities
to
cover
medically
necessary
care
for
anybody
on
their
plan.
B
And
the
second
way
the
SB
163
is
divide
is
designed
to
provide
for
Equity
is
to
ensure
that
everybody
on
each
plan
gets
treated
equally
and
that
everybody
gets
the
access
and
coverage
for
whatever
procedures,
therapies,
services
that
are
provided
on.
That
plan
are
provided
to
everybody,
regardless
of
their
gender
identity
orientation
or
expression.
B
B
What
it
says
is
that
if
an
insurance
plan
is
going
to
cover
any
particular
procedure
or
therapy
or
treatment,
they
have
to
provide
that
to
everybody
on
their
plan,
regardless
of
that
person's
gender
or
sexual
orientation
or
identity.
It
doesn't
say
that
any
particular
plan
has
to
cover
any
particular
type
of
treatment
or
procedure.
It
doesn't
say
that
any
particular
provider
has
to
cover
a
particular
therapy
or
treatment
or
procedure.
B
It
also
doesn't
say
that
any
procedure
that
we
have
previously
considered
or
that
the
medical
board
has
determined
to
be
unsafe,
will
suddenly
be
able
to
be
performed
in
the
state
of
Nevada.
B
It
is,
in
fact
the
state
of
Nevada
has
made
the
decision
to
provide
medical
insurance
to
certain
people
who
qualify
in
this
state.
So
it
is
also
incumbent
upon
us,
as
we
go
through
this
legislative
process,
to
ensure
that
the
way
that
we
provide
that
treatment
is
fair
and
Equitable
across
all
of
those
who
we
decide
to
provide
it
to,
and
so
the
people
who
pay
into
the
system
that
provides
publicly
funded
medical
care
taxpayers,
including,
are
transgender
and
gender
non-conforming
and
gender
non-binary
nevadans,
who
also
pay
taxes
here,
have
to
pay
into
that.
B
Regardless
of
wherever
that
money
is
being
spent.
And
it
is
simply
not
our
role
as
legislators
to
sit
here
and
pick
and
choose
which
services
will
be
provided
to
which
people
and
which
services
will
not.
And
that's
what
SB
163
says
when
an
insurance
plan,
including
the
insurance
plans
provided
by
the
state,
either
through
State
Employment
or
through
the
Medicaid
Program,
provides
for
a
certain
service
procedure,
treatment
that
they
provided
equitably
for
everybody
of
every
gender
and
every
orientation
and
every
expression
and
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
SB
163
pass.
This
committee.
A
Yes,
Senator
Titus.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
dondero,
Loop
and
members
of
the
Senate
finance
committee.
My
name
is
still
Melanie
scheibel
and
I
am
still.
As
far
as
I
know.
The
state
senator
for
District
9
happy
to
be
in
front
of
you
presenting
SB
416
SB
416
is
the
Senate
Judiciary
Committee
bill
committee's
bill
and
I'm
lucky
to
chair
that
committee,
which
allows
me
to
be
in
front
of
you
today
introducing
it,
but
I
have
a
much
more
qualified
and
competent
people
to
explain
the
bill
to
you.
B
For
example,
it
is
the
families
who
put
the
money
on
their
books,
and
then
it
is
the
person
who
is
incarcerated.
Who
can
then
go
to
the
store
and
buy
Necessities
like
soap
and
shampoo
and
toothpaste,
and
so
over
the
course
of
the
last
four
years.
The
fines
and
feast
Justice
Center
has
partnered,
with
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
and
the
state
of
Nevada
to
identify
some
of
the
places
that
are
the
most.
B
We
understand
that
this
is
a
big
ask
and
we
have
reached
out
to
Partners
in
the
governor's
office
and
at
ndoc
to
try
to
Pare
down
the
requests
and
at
this
late
moment
in
the
legislative
session,
we
remain
open
to
conversations
and
hope
that
this
committee
will
help
us
in
identifying
the
pieces
of
the
bill,
which
are
you
know,
most
practical
to
to
move
forward
with
today
and
those
which
might
be
better
saved
for
another
conversation
in
another
interim
in
another
session.
U
Good
afternoon,
chair,
dondero
Loop
members
of
the
Senate,
the
illustrious
Senate
finance
committee.
I,
am
Lisa
Mosley,
the
Nevada
state
director
for
the
fines
and
fees
Justice
Center-
and
we
are
here
today
in
the
spirit
of
compromise,
to
present
to
you,
sb416
I'm,
simply
going
to
introduce
our
team
and
then
I
am
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Mr
sheepac
to
actually
walk
you
through
the
bill.
U
I'm
joining
us
today
is
our
Deputy
state
director
and
I
like
to
refer
to
him
as
our
resident
expert
on
all
things
incarceration
and
the
impact
that
it
has
on
families
and
Community
Nick,
shepak
I
think
you
all
know
him
well.
We
also
have,
via
Zoom
today,
I'm
very
excited
to
introduce
to
you
all
Lillian
patil
Lillian
is
our
senior
analyst
for
state
and
local
budgets.
U
U
If
we
need
her
today
is
our
Public
Health
special
Miss,
Katie
Brandon
Katie
is
here
to
speak
to
the
impact
that
these
fees
have
on
the
incarcerated
and
their
families
and
two,
if
we
have
time
and
necessary
to
present
some
numbers
for
you
and
so
again,
I
want
to
thank
you
in
advance
for
considering
this
bill
for
considering
our
analysis
and
the
reasons
why
we
believe
that
it
is
imperative
that
these
issues
that
this
bill
is
aims
to
address
be
addressed.
U
I
also
want
to
thank
director
zorinda
and
his
team
at
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections,
for
his
willingness
to
engage
with
us
in
robust
conversations
and
to
how
they
have
open
minds
and
have
been
talking
with
us
consistently.
So
I
want
to
just
thank
his
to
him
and
his
team
and
with
that,
I
am
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
Deputy
state
director,
Nick
shipak
good.
V
Good
afternoon,
chair
down
there
Loop
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
Nick
shepak
and
I.
Am
the
state
deputy
director
of
the
fines
and
fees
Justice
Center,
as
mentioned
this
bill,
is
a
culmination
of
multiple
years
of
research
into
the
cost
of
incarceration,
which
has
shown
us
that,
essentially,
the
state
has,
over
many
decades,
moved
to
a
sort
of
backdoor
tax
to
us
to
fund
essential
government
services
on
a
very
small
group
of
families
of
incarcerated
individuals
who
have
done
nothing
wrong,
except
love.
V
Somebody
who
is
incarcerated
I
will
quickly
walk
you
through
the
areas
of
the
bill
where
you
are
seeing
the
physical
notes
come
from
so
SB
416
looks
to
address
these
costs
by
to
families
through
the
following
measures:
one
it
eliminates
medical
co-pays
which
in
Nevada
we
have
the
highest
medical
co-pays
in
the
country.
Our
research
has
shown
that
this
is
a
major
deterrent
for
people
to
seek
preventative
care,
leading
to
very
high,
very
expensive
and
worse
Health
outcomes
for
those
individuals.
It
eliminates
man
down
fees.
V
These
are
emergency
medical
fees
charged
at
ndoc
that
are
levited
against
individuals
who
commit
self-harm,
attempt
suicide
or
get
hurt
during
recreational
activities.
It
reduces
the
cost
on
commissary
items
by
placing
a
cap
on
markups
Nevada
has
one
of
the
highest
commissary
markups
in
the
country.
The
vast
majority
of
this
money
is
spent
on
commissary
comes
directly
from
families,
the
food
and
other
items
bought.
It
commissary
supplement
what
is
often
described
as
low
quality,
low
portion
and
nearly
inedible
food.
V
Currently
ndoc
is
holding
over
14
million
dollars
in
profits
from
families
in
the
offended
store
fund.
This
Surplus
rules
over
years
year
to
year
I
do
want
to
commend
the
director
in
his
department
for
eliminating
markup
Suite
recently
on
hygiene
items,
though,
we
also
are
looking
to
eliminate
ndoc's
ability
to
charge
room
and
board
to
those
who
have
jobs.
Many
jobs
pay
far
less
than
a
dollar
an
hour
or
as
little
as
ten
dollars
a
month.
V
Currently
only
people
who
have
jobs
or
charge
these
fees
creating
a
deterrent
to
work
and
a
punishment
for
those
who
choose
to
do
so.
And
lastly,
this
spill
deals
with
debt
upon
release
by
eliminating
out
by
eliminating
outstanding
medical
and
institutional
debt
upon
release.
Current
practice
has
led
to
individuals
leaving
incarceration
with
anywhere
from
hundreds
to
in
at
least
one
case
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
debt
upon
release.
These
individuals
are
often
sent
directly
to
collections
and
their
credit
is
ruined,
making
re-entry
into
society
very
difficult
collection
rates.
V
According
to
a
public
records
request
we
received
from
ndoc
are
often
less
than
one
percent
a
year
of
this
money.
We
are
also
asking
that
nobody
leave
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
with
less
than
one
hundred
dollars,
as
it
is
very
difficult
to
re-enter.
However,
we
believe
that
the
other
that
the
cost
saving
measures
in
this
bill
would
eliminate
much
of
the
cost
of
the
state
to
ensuring
that
individuals
had
one
hundred
dollars
and,
as
was
mentioned,
we
understand
this
is
a
very
robust
bill
with
a
significant
fiscal
note.
V
While
we
are
confident
that
this
is
the
direction
that
the
state
needs
to
be
moved,
we
are
happy
to
work
within
the
confines
and
priorities
of
this
committee
to
ensure
some
relief
for
families.
I
will
now
pass
it
over
to
ffg's
budget
and
analyst,
who
will
briefly
explain
her
analysis
of
the
fiscal
and
recommendations.
Thank
you.
A
W
My
name
is
Lillian
patill
and
I
am
the
senior
analyst
of
state
and
local
budgets
at
the
fines
and
fees.
Justice
Center
I'm
happy
to
be
here
with
you
virtually
today
to
Briefly
summarize
the
fiscal
analysis
memo
that
we
have
submitted
in
support
for
this
bill.
We
recognize
that
the
full
implementation
of
this
critical
piece
of
legislation
would
require
annual
state
general
fund
support
to
replace
the
way
that
the
Department
of
Corrections
currently
assesses
fees
on
incarcerated
individuals
and
their
families.
W
So
we
wanted
to
consider
where
that
general
fund
need
might
be
able
to
be
arranged
or
be
minimized
or
offset.
So
we
conducted
a
fiscal
analysis
of
each
component
of
the
existing
fiscal
note
using
publicly
available
data
and
came
up
with
a
revised
estimate
for
the
revenue
loss
that
would
be
associated
with
this
legislation
of
about
4.9
million
dollars
a
year
or
9.7
million
over
the
coming
biennium.
W
Our
estimates
differ
from
the
original
fiscal
note
of
about
6.1
million
per
year,
primarily
in
the
areas
of
commissary,
markups
and
medical
debt.
We
believe
the
cost
of
limiting
commissary
markups
five
percent
may
be
less
expensive
than
originally
estimated,
because
we
factored
in
the
likelihood
that
once
commissary
items
are
no
longer
marked
up,
people
will
purchase
additional
items
at
that
cheaper
price.
Even
if
you
assume
additional
inventory
purchasing
needs,
we
estimate
this
could
result
in
over
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
additional
Revenue.
W
So
after
coming
up
with
a
revised
fiscal
estimate,
I
also
built
a
model
to
demonstrate
how
the
state
could
minimize
the
need
for
general
fund
Appropriations
for
at
least
the
next
five
years.
To
do
this,
we
recommend
that
the
state
use
a
portion
about
5.7
million
of
the
recently
identified
arpa
savings
over
the
next
two
years
to
replace
lost
Revenue
in
the
Department
of
Corrections
budget.
W
This
would
reduce
the
need
for
general
fund
support
for
this
bill,
but
importantly,
it
would
also
help
ensure
that
arpa
funds
are
being
utilized
by
that
December
2026
deadline
and
avoid
any
possibility
of
reversions
of
funds
to
the
treasury.
We
also
recommend,
using
about
1
million
per
year
from
The
Prisoner
store
funds
fund
balance
for
three
fiscal
years
after
that
which
further
offsets
the
amount
of
general
fund
that
would
be
needed
to
then
plug
the
remaining
Revenue
Gap
created
in
this
in
this
bill.
W
Using
our
model
and
the
revised
fiscal
estimate,
we
show
that
if
these
two
recommended
Revenue
sources
are
used
over
the
next
five
years,
the
state
would
only
need
to
appropriate
about
2
million
of
general
fund
per
year
for
the
upcoming
two
years
and
then
gradually
increase
that
support
to
about
3.8
million
in
fiscal
year
26
and
about
4.9
million
in
fiscal
year
29
and
Beyond.
Of
course,
we
know
if
the
bill
is
modified.
W
That
estimate
changes,
but
we
do
believe
general
fund
can
still
be
minimized
in
any
situation
by
the
Strategic
use
of
arpa
funds
and
Department
of
Corrections
store
fund
balance.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
advocate
for
this
legislation
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
about
this
fiscal
analysis.
A
Thank
you
very
much
additional
presenters,
Senator
schreibel.
Okay,
all
right
questions
from
the
committee
Senator
Nguyen.
X
X
Some
of
these
costs
would
immediately
be
eliminated
because
you
would
be
able
to
give
someone
an
Advil,
as
opposed
to
you
know.
Having
some
sort
of
surgical
procedure
is.
That
is
that
my
understanding.
V
X
X
X
The
chair
is
going
to
smack
me
over
here,
but
hit
that
button.
Yeah,
sorry
for
people
that
have
to
bleep
that
on
YouTube
and
then
as
far
as
the
discharge
of
debt
is
that
the
average
debt
per
year,
as
that
were
that
number
that
71
000
comes
from.
V
Nick
sheback
for
the
record.
We
can
have
the
Department
of
Corrections
correctives
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
would
be
the
collected
amount
of
debt,
not
the
assessed
amount.
There
is
well
over
a
million
dollars
of
or
10
million
dollars
of,
current
outstanding
debt.
They
are
collecting
about
that
71
000..
Thank.
X
Z
So
I
want
it
because
I
just
want
to
say
this
too,
because
you
know
I
had
a
well
a
bill
that
was
similar
in
terms
of
convict
Leasing
and
charges
and
Etc.
But
wasn't
this
in
the
governor's,
the
prior
Governor's
audit
around
the
discharge
of
debt
and
making
sure
that
once
you
release
a
prisoner,
the
debt
is
not
following
them:
Post
Release
and
then
basically
you're
collecting
from
a
person
who
was
incarcerated
and
is
then
in
poverty.
V
Z
Okay
and
then
the
other
part
on
the
word
saying
that
the
hundred
dollars
for
releasing
the
offenders,
what
was
the
prior
amount
that
they
were,
you
would
be
released
and
they
would
give
them
and
say:
you're
free,
here's,
the
money
and
go
find
you
know,
I,
guess
a
shack,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
even
available
how
much
Nick.
V
She
back
for
the
record.
The
current
minimal
amount
is
25
and
if
you
remember
the
story
of
demarlo
berry,
that
was
what
he
was
released
with.
Z
V
Z
Z
So
just
I'm
just
saying
25
I,
don't
know
where
it
got.
You
I!
Guess
it
got
you
down
the
road,
so
I
just
want
I
guess
we
have
to
ask
more
questions
to
ndoc
yeah.
A
Thank
you
very
much
additional
questions.
Senator
Titus.
T
Thank
you.
Man,
chair
along
the
same
line,
section
9
number
four
again
addressing.
If
an
offender
does
not
have
more
than
100
in
his
account,
then
it
should
be
that
we
should
bring
that
balance
up
to
the
offender
to
give
him
a
hundred
dollars
and
I'm
just
wondering
so,
while
they're
incarcerated,
they
can
spend
down
the
money
and
use
the
money
always
knowing
that
they're
going
to
have
that
infusion
of
the
hundred
dollars.
That
time
of
release.
V
Nick
she
pack
for
the
record
the
current
deduction
schemes
so
anytime
an
individual
makes
money
or
gets
money
put
on
their
books
from
their
family.
A
portion
of
that
money
is
taken
in
place
into
a
savings
account
that
savings
account
currently
has
a
cap
on
it.
However,
with
if
you
have
oh
outstanding
medical
debt
to
the
department,
they
will
take
from
that
savings.
Currently,
what's
the
cap,
the
cap
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
the
cap
is
Nick
sheback
for
the
record,
followed.
T
Madam
chair
in
the
same
section
then
number
I
think
JK
L
and
it
talks
about
discharging
if
there's
any
debt
owed
by
the
offender
at
the
time
of
discharge.
T
Unless
the
the
money
is
owed
by
the
Affinity
Department
of
all
the
subparagraphs,
then
it's
all
supposed
to
be
just
it's
just
supposed
to
be
ignored
and
and
not
they
don't
have
any
debt.
So
do
they
know
that
so
they
can
continue
to
accrue
debt,
knowing
that
they're
not
going
to
be
responsible
for
that
debt
at
the
time
of
release,
so
how
much
debt
are
they
allowed
to
occur,
accrue
over
a
period
of
time,
knowing
that
it's
all
just
going
to
be
forgiven,
When
You,
released.
V
Nick
shepak
for
the
record,
the
vast
majority
of
debt
that
anyone
is
released
from
ndoc
with
is
medical
debt
from
necessary
medical
procedures.
So,
from
our
perspective,
individuals
are
not
likely
going
to
break
more
ankles
because
they're
not
going
to
have
to
pay
for
it
upon
release,
which
is
we
had
one
individual
who
had
a
ten
thousand
dollar
medical
bill
upon
released
from
a
basketball
injury.
V
T
Then
thank
you
along
the
same
line,
the
medical
debt,
because
medical
debt
is
one
of
the
the
horrific
things
that's
happening
in
our
nation
for
all
folks,
not
just
prisoners,
but
the
amount
of
medical
debt
that
people
are
accruing
over
a
period
of
time
now
is
pretty
phenomenal.
T
V
She
pack
for
the
record
and
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I
I
agree
with
your
concerns
and
it's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
certain
deduction
scheme
where,
while
they
are
incarcerated,
a
certain
amount
of
every
dollar
that
is
placed
on
their
books,
whether
it's
from
family
or
from
a
job,
will
be
taken
and
put
towards
that
debt
upon
release.
They
have,
and
it's
it's
either
60
or
90
days
to
fully
pay
off
that
debt.
V
If
they
do
not
pay
off
that
full
outstanding
balance,
they
are
then
set
to
a
collection
agency
that
is
contracted
with
the
Nevada
Department
of
Collections
and
they
are
on
the
hook
for
that
whole
amount
to
that.
So
I
have
not
heard
of
any
individual
who
has
been
put
on
any
sort
of
payment
plan
or
walked
through
financial
options
for
any
outstanding
debt,
upon
release
from
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections.
T
And
finally,
just
just
as
a
comment
in
healthcare,
we
use
the
term
hand
off
and
certainly
I,
wouldn't
discharge
somebody
from
the
emergency
room
put
them
out
in
the
wheelchair,
on
the
sidewalk,
without
knowing
that
they
have
some
place
to
go
and
I
I
do
appreciate
the
what
I
see
as
an
intent
of
this
bill
is
that
as
you
discharge
folks
from
incarceration,
they
have
to
be
at
least
given
some
direction
to
go,
and
not
just
here
here.
You
know:
here's
your
bag
of
stuff
and
goodbye.
T
U
This
is
not
a
senator
Titus
elective
debt,
where
someone
just
says
I
want
to
have
a
procedure
I'm
going
to
go
in
and
do
this
and
charge
it
to
my
account.
That's
not
what's
happening
this
debt
that
people
are
coming
out
of
in
of
prison
with
is
debt
that
just
for
going
and
saying
I
have
a
sore
throat
or
something
like
that.
Those
things
cost
the
average
co-payment
in
Nevada
is
eight
dollars
per
visit
across
the
state.
I
believe
the
average
pay
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
Mr.
U
She
back
is
too
dollars
to
four
dollars
here
in
Nevada,
it's
eight
dollars,
so
anytime
an
inmate
decides
or
needs
to
see
a
doctor.
They
are
charged
eight
dollars
and
Mr
sheep
act
mentioned
earlier.
What
someone
who
has
a
job
in
the
Department
of
Corrections
makes
it's
less
than
a
dollar
it's
less
than
ten
dollars
a
month.
So
if
they
need
to
see
a
doctor
and
they're
making
less
than
ten
dollars
a
month,
that's
eight
dollars.
U
AA
Thank
you
chair,
so
Senator
Neal
mentioned
the
the
audits
that
were
performed
on
ndoc
and,
if
I
remember
correctly,
there
was
also
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
in
in
that
audit
about
the
commissary
prices.
Is
that
right,
Nick
sheback
for.
AA
Correct
and
are:
are
you
all
aware
of
efforts
being
taken
to
address
that
part
of
the
audit
as
well
Nick.
V
Sheback
for
the
record,
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
has
eliminated
all
markups
on
hygiene
items,
which
very
clearly
shows
some
effort
to
work
towards
that.
We
have
heard
that
there
is
work
on
addressing
the
overall
cost
and
we've
also
seen
support
from
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
to
run
those
policies
through
the
233b
process.
I
do
not
know
where
they
are
in
the
full
process,
though,.
AA
Just
one
more
Madam
chair,
if
that's
okay,
thank
you.
Are
you
all
aware
of
how
many
states
fund
their
Department
of
Corrections
off
of
the
backs
of
incarcerated,
Families
versus
out
of
the
general
fund.
AA
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I
would
I
would
just
weigh
in
with
a
little
bit
of
a
comment
and
a
question
I.
A
My
understanding
of
prison
has
always
been
that
we
send
somebody
to
prison
to
pay
their
debt
to
society,
but
we
also
send
them
there
to
rehabilitate
them
right.
We
don't
want
them
to
come
out
as
they
went
in,
for
whatever
they
did.
I
mean.
There's
lots
of
reasons.
People
go
to
prison
and
I'm,
not
an
attorney
but
I'm
sure
Senator
scheibel
could
give
us.
A
You
know
25
reasons
right
off
the
top
of
her
head,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
I
I
believe
when
we're
trying
to
rehabilitate
someone
we're
trying
to
also
teach
them
something
because
they
may
go
in
the
vast
majority
of
them
as
very
young
people.
So
when
and
there's
nobody
sitting
here
on
this
dice,
that
cannot
say
I,
don't
think
that
when
they
were
18
or
19
or
20
or
21,
they
were
very
different
than
when
they
are
right
now,
and
that
includes
money,
social
graces,
whatever
it
may
be.
A
So
with
that
being
said,
I
feel
like
that
I
I
have
to
say
when
I
heard
that
if
you
didn't
work,
you
didn't
pay
I
in
judiciary,
I
was
shocked,
I,
don't
know
how
that
piece
of
information
ever
escaped
me
because
I've
been
on
Judiciary
sessions
and
sessions,
but
I
I
felt
like
we
were
rewarding
them
for
not
doing
that
and
by
by
saying
that
I
mean
that
we're
not
teaching
them
some
Rehabilitation
skills,
if
you
will
so
what
we
want
people
to
learn
is
to
be
responsible
pay
for
what
they
need
and
be
a
responsible
citizen
in
prison
out
of
prison
wherever
they
are.
A
But
a
couple
things
struck
me
when
we
heard
this,
and
while
this
isn't
a
policy
committee,
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
was
that
also
was
that
women
offenders
in
prison
paid
for
personal
products
differently.
Also,
those
are
not
things
that
any,
but
he
has
a
choice
over.
A
So
it's
not
like
going
to
get
more
yogurt
right,
so
I
I
was
very
surprised
about
that.
So
I
just
think.
We
need
to
put
this
into
perspective
that
we're
trying
to
rehabilitate
people,
teach
them
responsibility.
And
yes,
maybe
it
isn't
our
job
to
teach
responsibility,
but
when
you
have
once
again
an
18,
19
or
20
or
21
year
old
in
there.
A
It
is
our
responsibility,
because
if
we
don't
teach
it
and
we
don't
give
them
some
parameters
and
some
things
to
learn,
then
just
like
their
GED-
that
they
may
not
come
out
with
we're
sending
them
back
out
into
the
world
to
do
exactly
the
same
things
that
we
hope
they
don't
do
again.
So
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
question
in
there
I.
A
It's
just
some
observations.
As
we
went
through
this,
so
Senator
scheibel
you
can.
You
have
helped
me
out
before.
If
you
want
to
weigh
in
please
go
ahead.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
dondero,
Loop
and
I
think
that
you
are
absolutely
correct
and
that,
especially
with
your
perspective
on
the
purpose
of
sending
people
to
the
Department
of
Corrections
and
sending
them
to
prison,
the
purpose
is
that
they,
you
know
they
serve
their
time
there
and
also
that
they
are
rehabilitated,
and
we
want
to
set
them
up
for
Success
when
they
leave
the
department
of
corrections.
B
I
also
think
that
we
really
can't
compare
the
experience
of
living
working,
having
an
income
and
spending
that
money
and
receiving
Medical
Care
in
prison
to
anywhere
else
in
society,
because
people
are
restricted
to
that
Department
of
Corrections
environment
and
they
don't
have
choices.
They
don't
have
choices
in
their
medical
providers.
They
don't
have
choices
in
the
jobs
that
they
have.
They
don't
have
choices
and
where
they
bank,
they
don't
have
choices
and
how
they
spend
their
time.
B
They
don't
have
choices
in
who
they
spend
their
time
with
and
what
kinds
of
educational
opportunities
they
can
seek.
Certainly,
we
are
doing
better
to
provide
more
choices
and
to
provide
opportunities,
but
there
is
no
substitute
for
freedom,
and
so
it
really,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
fair
to
stack
on
top
of
the
punishment.
B
The
punishment
is
supposed
to
be
being
removed
from
society
being
taken
away
from
your
loved
ones,
being
isolated
for
a
given
period
of
time,
and
then,
when
we
add
additional
burdens
on
top
of
that,
coming
out
of
this
situation,
that
they
did
not
choose
for
themselves
with
debt
with
without
the
skills
to
be
able
to
return
to
to
work
and
be
a
contributing
part
of
their
families
and
their
communities
that
that's,
above
and
beyond
what
the
purpose
of
prison
is,
and
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
prison
remain.
B
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
and
I
think
that
at
a
very
minimum
we
need
to
think
about.
You
know
co-pays
and
room
and
board
or
whatever
they're,
paying
in
perspective
with
their
with
their
pay
I.
Certainly
if
I
was
making
a
thousand
dollars
a
month,
I
can't
go
rent
a
thirteen
hundred
dollar
a
month.
A
Apartment
right,
I
mean
I,
know
that,
but
if
I'm
in
a
situation
where
I
have
to
pay
room
and
board,
if
I
make
ten
dollars
and
I
have
to
pay
room
and
board
as
eight
that's
different
right,
so
I
think
those
are
certainly
good.
Questions,
I
think
they're,
good
learning
situations,
I
mean
they're
learning
how
to
do
things,
but
I
hope
that
we
could.
A
You
know
you
can
have
some
more
discussion
on
this
bill
and
that
we
don't
have
very
many
days
left,
but
perhaps
we
can
come
to
some
balance
there
and
we
can
figure
it
out.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill
to
us
and
we
will
go
to
those
in
support
of
a
Senate
Bill
416
here
in
Carson
City
in
Las
Vegas
and
on
the
phone
lines.
Anybody
on
the
phone
lines
for
four
sixteen.
J
Hello,
my
name
is
Nicole
Williams
I'm,
calling
today
in
Firm
support
of
SB
416
unless
you've
experienced
being
incarcerated
or
have
had
a
family
member
or
friend,
that's
incarcerated,
I,
truly,
don't
think
you'll
ever
know
how
much
of
a
financial
burden
the
course
of
the
cost
of
incarceration
is
when
my
husband
was
sentenced.
I
thought
that
50
to
100
a
month
added
to
our
already
tight
budget
would
be
sufficient
in
helping
him
get
essential
items.
J
He
would
need
and
to
add
some
time
so
he
could
call
his
children
and
I
along
with
his
elderly,
mother
and
other
family
members.
Basically,
his
support
system
I
was
so
wrong.
Food
prices
are
outrageous.
15-Minute
phone
calls
go
by
so
fast
and
there
is
a
fee
to
add
money
to
your
account.
We
are
unable
to
visit,
because
I
cannot
afford
to
drive
800
miles
round
trip,
rent
a
room
and
also
have
money
for
the
vending
machines
in
the
visiting
room,
which
are
also
super
expensive.
J
Quarterly
food
and
clothing
packages
have
a
spending
limit
and
the
prices
are
Sky
High,
pretty
much
everything
in
prison
has
a
cost
or
fee
involved
and
I
mean
Everything.
Medical
co-pays
room
and
board
fees,
families
have
to
pay
body
retrieval
fees
if
their
loved
ones
passes
away
in
prison.
The
list
goes
on
and
on.
Please
vote
Yes
to
pass
legislation
so
that
Nevada
can
fund
its
prisons
through
the
general
budget.
Like
many
of
our
neighboring
states,
do
families
should
not
have
to
pay
any
portion
of
their
loved
ones
incarceration.
Thank
you.
C
L
C
Have
a
son
incarcerated
by
the
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
we
no
longer
live
in
Nevada,
so
visiting
is
a
difficult
situation.
We
live
in
Indiana
from
1800
miles
away
from
our
sun.
We
are
both
in
our
mid
70s
and
relied
mainly
on
our
social
security
benefits
to
survive.
My
husband
still
has
to
work
as
an
Uber
driver
just
to
make
ends
meet.
We
also
use
some
of
that
income
to
send
to
Core
Links,
so
we
can
send
emails
to
our
son
and
then
we
have
to
pay
money
to
secure
it.
C
So
we're
able
to
talk
to
him
on
the
phone
that
money
often
runs
out
before
we
can
afford
to
send
more.
We
don't
have
any
money
to
send
him
clothing
or
food
packages.
We
like
we
like
so
many
others,
we're
under
the
false
impression
that
the
state
would
Supply
what
he
needed
while
he
was
in
their
so-called
care.
C
We
have
since
learned
that
if
he
doesn't
have
money
to
buy
extra
food
in
the
commissary
or
spend
on
additional
clothing
items,
then
he
could
go
hungry
most
of
the
time
and
be
wearing
out
his
shoes
and
clothing
well
before
they
are
provided
more.
Neither
incarcerated
persons
nor
their
family
should
have
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
keeping
them
in
prison.
Please
take
this
burden
off
the
backs
of
innocent
families,
most
of
whom
are
already
struggling
to
survive
themselves
because
they
have
lost
the.
AB
J
J
J
Kids
should
be
doing
at
the
age,
whether
it's
going
to
the
movies
taking
them
to
the
beach,
seeing
seeing
Disneyland
or
riding
on
a
roller
coaster
at
Magic,
Mountain
I
make
sure
he
continues
to
have
strong
relationship
and
open
communication
with
his
children
and
through
and
through
this
time,
which
cost
me
400
a
month
to
keep
money
on
the
phone.
This
is
very
important
for
all
parties.
J
Also
every
three
months
I
spend
150
on
food
packages
which
is
needed
due
to
not
getting
enough
or
decent
tasting
state
food
and
inconsistent
commissary
spending,
then
for
him
to
maintain
in
between
these
packages
and
to
cover
any
medical,
co-pays
or
man
down
fees,
he
may
have
I
send
him
four
hundred
dollars
a
month.
Now
that
I'm,
the
only
provider
I
work,
two
jobs
just
to
maintain
all
of
that.
J
On
top
of
my
rent,
twelve
hundred
dollars,
my
car
payment
six
hundred
dollars-
and
there
are
utilities,
food,
gas
and
personal
items,
I
can't
afford
to
get
sick
or
we'd
all
be
homeless,
no
matter.
If
the
state
pays
for
it
or
the
families,
the
state
still
pays
for
it,
but
the
impact
is
felt
by
the
family.
I
strongly
support,
SB
416.
J
First
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time.
My
name
is
Crystal
boy
and
my
fiance
is
currently
incarcerated.
In
ndoc,
when
my
fiance
describes
the
amount
of
food,
they
are
served,
it's
less
than
a
child's
meal,
a
small
ice
cream,
scoop
of
eggs,
one
slice
of
toast
and
a
tablespoon
of
peanut
butter
for
breakfast
I,
currently
sent
him
300
a
month
to
order
food
and
hygiene
and
a
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
the
phone
of
the
350
goes
towards
hygiene
and
the
rest
on
fee.
The
cost
of
commentary
is
so
high.
J
It's
a
struggle
to
ensure
he's
getting
enough
nutrition
when
he
was
on
store
restriction.
He
lost
almost
20
pounds.
A
Ramen
soup,
which
is
30
cents
in
a
regular
store,
is
sold
for
one
dollar
at
their
store
and
one
pack
of
tuna
that
is
a
dollar
fifty
at
Walmart,
is
4.95
on
the
store
list.
I
Am,
The,
Sole
Provider
for
our
household
I
have
three
children
and
it's
a
struggle
every
month
to
make
sure
bills
are
paid.
Plus
have
additional
money
to
send
to
him
not
only
for
store,
but
for
his
medical.
J
A
few
months
ago,
they
took
eighty
dollars
from
his
account
for
a
medical
co-pays,
which
we
weren't
expecting
so
for
those
two
weeks
he
wasn't
able
to
get
any
commentary.
The
cost
of
his
incarceration
is
so
high,
and
it's
falling
on
to
us.
Families
who
are
struggling
I
want
to
support
him
through
his
journey
of
Rehabilitation,
so
he
can
be
successful
when
he
is
released,
but
I
need
help.
Also,
when
my
fiance
is
released,
he
will
face
the
challenges
of
starting
a
new
successful
life.
J
The
thought
of
leaving
with
thousands
of
dollars
of
medical
debts
before
even
obtaining
a
job
is
very
discouraging.
I
would
add
him
to
my
insurance,
but
because
he's
incarcerated
they
would
not
use
their
insurance.
I
want
my
fiance
to
eat
and
focus
on
his
Rehabilitation,
so
I'm
willing
to
do
anything
to
help
him,
but
we
need
help
again.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
am
in
support
of
SB
460..
J
T-E-R-E-S-A-L-I-E-D-E-R-M-A-N-N-Hyphen
p-a-r-r-a-g-a
deputy
director
of
battleborn
progress,
and
it
has
been
heartbreaking
to
hear
the
stories
before
me,
I'm,
not
someone
that
that
has
someone
in
the
system,
but
I
am
someone
that,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
has
seen
increased
costs
in
my
medical
services,
but,
as
the
sponsor
mentioned,
I
have
the
freedom
to
be
able
to
seek
out
care
somewhere
else
or
to
work
with
my
insurance
or
work
with
my
doctor
or
heck
even
ask
for
a
raise
at
work
so
that
I
can
have
more
money
coming
in
the
people.
J
I
I
Not
only
does
our
daughter
miss
out
on
the
time
away
from
her
father,
but
now
she
is
missing
out
on
time
away
from
me,
since
I
have
to
work
twice
as
hard
to
cover
the
cost,
it's
time
for
Nevada
to
start
figuring
out
how
to
pay
for
the
costs
associated
with
incarceration
with
their
General
budget.
We
already
have
enough
on
our
place
by
being
the
Sole
Provider
for
our
children.
It
should
not
fall
on
us
to
pay
for
any
portion
of
our
loved
ones
incarceration.
Please
vote
Yes
for
SB
416.
Thank
you.
H
And
I
am
here
in
support
of
sc416
because,
as
somebody
that
has
grown
up
seen,
various
family
members
and
or
community
members
being
in
prison
aren't
have
lost
count
of
how
many
times
I've
had
to
fundraise
for
General
things
of
clothing
or
food
baskets
or
just
in
general.
Trying
to
make
put
money
on
somebody's
books.
Put
somebody
money
on
their
phones.
H
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
this
and
it's
just
I
Echo
everything
that
everybody
else
has
said
and
I
appreciate
the
sponsors
of
this
Bill.
Thank.
J
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Jody
Hawking
j-o-d-I-h-o-c-k-I-n-g
I'm,
the
founder
and
executive
director
of
return
strong,
who,
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
what
we
do,
we
work
with
people
who
are
incarcerated
and
their
family
members,
and
so
we're
very
deeply
connected
to
this
work
and
the
things
that
that
happened.
I
also
am
part
of
an
impacted
family.
My
loved
one
is
also
incarcerated.
J
We
are
here
in
support
of
sc416
over
the
past.
Few
years
has
actually
been
a
journey
for
us
and
starting
to
understand
how
prisons
are
funded
and
why
families
of
the
incarcerated
are
paying
for
their
loved
ones
incarceration.
Initially,
we
used
to
think
this.
Huge
difference
was
because
we
were
getting
robbed
by
ndoc.
J
Nevada's
prison
system
is
in
dire
need
of
funding.
We
lack
programming,
we
lack
jobs,
which
is
why
people
are
not
working
and
constantly
don't
pay.
It
took
my
husband
four
years
of
waiting
to
be
able
to
get
a
job
to
put
food
in
a
microwave
and
he
doesn't
get
paid
for
it.
He
just
doesn't
lose
any
more
days.
So,
making
assumptions
about
those
pieces
are
tricky
because
there's
a
lot
more
to
it.
The
system,
the
way
that
it
is
built,
is
not
sustainable.
J
J
We
understand
it's
complicated,
there's
the
tip
of
the
iceberg,
fight,
which
is
what
this
miraculously
would
cause
so
much
relief
and
and
provide
for
there's
the
root
of
the
problem,
which
I
think
is
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
you're
asking
are
deeper
answers
than
what
we're
here:
states
that
fund
their
prisons
through
General
budget
Appropriations
have
lower
recidivism
rate
and
better
outcomes
for
both
the
people
who
are
incarcerated
after
release
and
their
families.
J
O
I'm
calling
in
support
of
SC
2016.
I
have
loved
doing
some
concentrated
within
MDOC
and
I,
see
the
pressure
at
first
on
families
I'm
in
support
of
this
bill
and
laid
back
from
the
United
to
figure
out
how
to
pay
for
the
cost
associated
with
incarceration
with
their
General
budget.
There
shouldn't
Fallen
families
to
pay
for
any
person
that
they
loved
from
business
incarceration.
Please
vote
Yes
on
sc416.
Thank
you.
J
J
I
believe
the
previous
caller
had
mentioned
that
they
weren't
quite
sure
how
they
got
into
such
a
situation
like
this,
but
I
believe
that
some
of
you
on
this
committee
do
know
that
there's
corruption
in
our
prisons
and
there
was
a
prison
Warden
that
was
fired
last
year
or
the
year
before,
and
I
would
suggest
that,
in
addition
to
passing
this
bill,
that
you
go
back
and
investigate
that
gentleman
and
and
have
him
reimburse
some
of
these
people
who
were
gouged
for
years
and
also
find
out
who
he
was
paying
off
to
get
away
with
it.
J
A
You
very
much
next
caller,
please.
Q
B-Y-R-U-S-H-O-H-A-A-T-Y
I
will
ditto
the
previous
callers.
Thank
you
so
much
and
also
I
heard
some
people
try
to
call
into
the
last
testimony,
but
they
weren't
able
to
get
in.
So
please
fix
that
if
you
can.
A
J
J
Hello,
my
name
is
Chris
Covello
I've
been
sitting
here
on
hold
I've,
pressed
all
the
correct
star
numbers.
It
did
not
give
me
an
opportunity
to
say
that
I
am
in
favor
of
sb416
I,
don't
know
if
there
is
a
phone
issue
again
or
not,
but
I
would
like
to
briefly
tell
you
that
I
did
have
a
son
who
was
incarcerated
with
an
ndoc.
J
Is
he
I
am
on
a
fixed
income
as
well
as
my
husband,
my
son
knew
that
it
was
a
very.
It
was
a
hard
struggle
for
us
to
help
put
money
on
the
books
every
month
to
give
him
much
needed
food.
He
did
take
a
job.
He
finally
got
a
job.
I
should
say
at
the
camp
with
the
India
ndf
and
I
want
to
say
that
after
working
a
month
trying
to
earn
enough
money
to
help
us
help
him
get
food,
he
ended
up
with
thirty
dollars
after
a
month.
J
This
is
after
the
fees,
the
room
and
board
that
type
of
thing.
So
thirty
dollars
isn't
much
a
month,
but
at
least
he
tried
to
get
that
money
because
it
was
such
a
pressure
for
us
to
try
to
keep
feeding
him
plus
pay
our
own
bills
plus
be
on
a
fixed
income.
I
am
in
full
support
of
416.
I.
Am
so
sorry
that
it
wouldn't?
Let
me
in
sooner
but
I
have
been
sitting
here
on
the
line.
I
promise
you
that
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Z
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
we'll.
A
T
Madam
chair,
we
were
discussing
the
calorie
content
of
the
meals
served
in
prison.
Sorry.
A
Okay
I
understand
that,
because
sometimes
the
calorie
content,
it
probably
isn't
enough.
A
Z
You,
madam
chair
Senator,
Dina
Neal,
here
to
present
SB,
240
and
I,
have
next
to
me:
Darian
Harris
from
Capital
Advantage,
so
SB
240
new
markets.
Job
act
has
been
in
the
legislature
since
2013.
Z
we
reauthorized
it
in
2019.
It
has
had
200
million
of
tax
credits
that
are
pledged
against
the
insurance
premium
tax.
With
the
2019
allocation,
we've
been
able
to
leverage
73
million
in
federal,
New
Market
tax
credits
in
order
to
do
projects
within
the
state
of
Nevada
I
just
want
to
give
some
quick
highlights
of
what
we've
been
able
to
do
with
the
2019
new
markets.
Z
Job
acts
that
we
passed
in
2019
and
why
we're
doing
the
re-auth
early
in
SB
240,
so
we've
been
able
to
do
Elko
Community
Center,
where
11
cdes
invested
roughly
32
million
for
a
30
000
square
foot
medical
facility
in
Elko.
We
have
been
able
to
do
a
Las
Vegas
plumber
and
pipefitter
Local
Union
apprenticeship,
where
we
put
in
two
million
dollars
investment
of
new
markets
and
then
an
additional
156
000
in
new
markets
in
order
for
them
to
run
a
training
center.
Z
Since
we've
done
the
2019
version,
the
bill
in
front
of
you
basically
drops
it.
It
is
a
re-off,
but
instead
of
200
million
it's
170
million,
and
then
it
wouldn't
kick
in
until
July,
1st
of
2026,
which,
which
is
really
FY
2027,
and
so
the
bill.
The
difference
in
this
bill-
and
you
see
in
the
fiscal
note
that
BNI
talks
about
is
that
it
creates
now
an
impact,
qualified
Community,
Development
entity.
Z
So,
on
top
of
what
we
were
already
doing,
which
were
qualified
investments
in
low-income
census
tracts,
it
now
creates
a
impact
quality,
Community
Development
entity,
which
then
creates
a
smaller
pool,
where
we
will
then
be
allowed
to
focus
on
smaller
businesses,
because
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
that
has
popped
up
since
2013
is
that
new
markets,
although
it
helps
a
business
that
is
attempting
to
do
anything
over
500k
and
over,
we
typically
haven't
been
able
to
do
a
smaller
investment
into
smaller
businesses
that
may
be
less
than
500k,
and
so
the
new
markets,
SB
240,
is
attempting
to
create
the
second
program,
with
the
authorization
of
using
the
existing
credits
that
we've
approved
in
2019.
Z
AC
Z
Z
Y
AC
A
Okay,
yeah,
you
haven't
sworn
yet
so
you're
a
jump
ahead
here
all
right
with
that
being
said,
any
questions
on
this
I
feel
like
I
need
some
clarification,
senator
so
I'm,
not
even
sure
what
question
exactly
to
ask.
Okay
just
go.
Give
me
some
more
info.
A
Z
I
will
let
Mr
Harris
jump
in
in
a
minute,
but
so
okay,
let
me
back
this
up,
because
we
have
had
extreme
conversations
in
this
building
on
tax
credits
and
trust.
Me
I've
thought
a
million
times
about
killing.
This
particular
Bill,
however,
because.
Y
Z
Work
and
I
know
that
ROI
ROI-
that's
actually
happened
from
the
new
markets.
Job
act,
the
way
this
bill
is
written.
It
is
an
early
reauthorization
of
the
2019
credits
and
allows
BNI
to
start
looking
at
the
new
Investments
or
having
conversation
with
cdes
about
new
investments
in
23..
However,
there
is
a
three-year
window
where
zero
credits
can
be
drawn
down
and
then
the
way
new
markets
has
been
structured.
It
typically
is
structured
over
a
seven
year
period.
Z
This
one
has
a
five-year
window,
so
we
have
a
staggered
drop
down
where
it
goes
zero
and
then
it
goes
fifteen
fifteen
fifteen
well,
and
so
it
doesn't
all
hit
it
once
it
starts
in
26,
which
is
fiscal
year
27
and
then
I
believe
it's
roughly
24
million
that
comes
off
for
Investments
every
year
for
five
years
with
this
bill,
because
I'm
dropping
the
number
from
200
million
to
170.,
so
the
prior
authorization.
When
we
passed
the
bill
in
2013,
it
had
200
million
when
we
passed
it
in
2019,
it
had
200
million.
Z
A
AC
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Darian
Harris
with
Advantage
Capital.
We
are
one
of
the
original
Community
Development
entities
to
participate
in
the
Nevada
new
markets,
jobs
act
when
it
was
enacted
in
2012,
and
we
have
continued
to
participate
through
its
renewal
in
2019.
AC
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Any
questions.
A
All
right,
well
Mr
thurley,
if
you'd
like
to
jump
in
there
and
put
a
sentence
or
two
out
there,
we're
all
for
it.
I
think
I
think
we've
lost
some
of
our
capacity.
AD
Here,
thank
you,
madam
chair
Wayne,
thoroughly
for
the
record,
LCB
fiscal
analysis,
division,
so
slight
correction,
I
think
to
what
Senator
Neil
stated.
So
it
was
170
million
dollars
in
investment,
not
tax
credits.
AC
Darian
Harris
for
the
record.
Yes,
that's
correct:
okay,.
AC
The
hundred
and
Darian
Harris
for
the
record,
the
170
million
dollars,
is
the
total
investment
Authority
granted
to
the
Community
Development
entities.
The
the
tax
credit
amount
for
that
I
believe
amounts
to
about
98.6
million
dollars
in
tax
credits.
T
All
right
so
I
just
need
some
clarification
on
that
now,
so
all
right,
so
the
it
was
170
million
dollars
where
you
were
able
to
invest
from
2019
to
now
170
million
dollars,
investment
from
the
98
million
dollar
tax
credits
correct.
So
it's
not
a
10,
because
I
saw
in
some
notes
that
it
was
like
a
ten
to
one.
That's
not
two!
That's
more
like
two
to
one
for
every
dollar.
You
get
two
dollars:
investment,
I.
AC
Believe
the
ten
to
one
that
your
Darian
Harris
for
the
record
I
believe
the
ten
to
one
that
you're,
referring
to
Senator
came
from
bni's
report.
Saying
that
the
total
economic
output
from
the
program
has
resulted
into
a
ten
to
one
return
to
the.
T
A
AE
Chair
members
of
committee
Nick
facilities
here
for
the
record
on
behalf
of
Advantage
Capital
Partners
I,
will
keep
my
testimony
brief,
but
there's
a
couple
numbers
from
the
BNI
look
back
study
that
I
think
is
very
pertinent
and
I
would
encourage
the
members
of
this
committee
to
take
a
look
through
the
report
that
b
and
I
put
out
because
I
know
this
is
a
very
complicated
program.
It's
something
that
had
been
established
in
2013.
I
can
say
confidently
for
any
member
who
was
elected
to
this
body
and
was
present
2013.
AE
You
voted
for
this
already
and
it
was
successful.
It
was
a
good
program.
That's
why
we
brought
it
back
for
19
and
we
were
able
to
have
another
successful
Venture
through
this
legislature
in
terms
of
continuing
the
impacts
that
is
having
businesses
in
Las
Vegas
North,
Las,
Vegas,
Pahrump,
Silver,
Spring
Sparks
Reno
Elko.
So
this
is
truly
a
Statewide
kind
of
impact
to
Senator
Titus,
yes,
that
ten
to
one
dollar
at
10
to
1
Roi
number
is
something
that
was
drawn
from
the
report.
AE
That
BNI
did
on
the
look
back
study,
and
that
is
total
economic
impact,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
crystal
clear.
The
average
salary
which
you'll
also
see
in
the
report
is
about
25
an
hour.
So
it's
not
it's
good.
Paying
jobs
as
well
as
a
good
kind
of
I,
would
say
our
argue,
investment
for
the
state
and,
lastly,
I
also
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
57
of
the
employees
at
these
businesses
are
women
or
people
of
color,
and
so
it's
not
I
I.
AE
Think
it's
it's
meeting
its
true
intent,
which,
when
we
brought
this
by
through
in
2013,
it
was
to
specifically
Target
areas
that
based
off
the
sense
of
track
were
economically
disadvantaged
and
in
the
entire
intent
of
this
program,
is
to
focus
in
on
that
and
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
this
program
has
been
pretty
successful
and
it's
it's
probably
worth
continuing
and
with
that
I
would
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
AF
A
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
with
that,
do
you
have
any
closing
comments.
Senator,
Neil,
all
right
with
that
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
Senate,
Bill
240
and
before
I
open
the
Senate
Bill
246
hearing
I
just
wanted
to
let
all
of
you
know
and
I
apologize
if
this
has
impacted
your
day,
but
we
are
going
to
roll
Senate,
Bill,
278,
279
and
307
to
tomorrow
morning,
and
there
are
some
other
meetings
that
are
coming
up
and
we're
going
to
run
into
some
scheduling
problems.
A
Z
Senator
Neal
for
the
record
for
SB
246.,
so
this
bill,
really
it
comes
from
section
four,
where
it
has
an
appropriation
in
the
back
of
the
bill
related
to
the
general
fund
and
I
have
to
give
a
brief
history
on
this.
So
Snick
the
Southern
Las
Vegas,
the
Southern
Nevada
community
board,
has
been
around
since
pretty
much
the
sun
since
2007..
Z
However,
in
2015,
when
I
chaired
it,
we
were
able
to
get
approved
by
the
department
of
U.S
Department
of
Commerce
under
the
Eda
for
an
economic
development
plan,
pretty
much
nothing
happened.
I
was
able
to
raise
maybe
like
five
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
got
our
economic
development
plan.
Reapproved
I
no
longer
chair
it
in
2022.,
so
the
Eda
and
the
Commerce
we've
always
had
an
economic
development
plan
related
to
the
West
Las
Vegas
and
North
Las
Vegas.
In
order
to
remedy
blight.
Z
That's
in
the
area
there
has
been
an
economic
development
plan
that
has
been
approved
by
the
U.S
Department
of
Commerce,
as
of
May
12
2022,
chair
McCurdy,
who
is
currently
on
the
County
Commission
asks
for
this
appropriation
so
that
the
southern
Enterprise
community
board
could
then
try
to
do
some
small
grants
and
carrying
out
the
Improvement
and
an
improvement
project
in
these
blighted
areas
that
have
been
pretty
much
in
existence
for
over
50
years,
and
so
because
there
still
has
work
to
be
done.
That's
what's
pretty
much
in
this
bill.
Z
The
fiscal
notes
from
city
of
Las
Vegas
is
coming
from
the
workforce,
components
that
are
in
the
bill,
but
they're
already
doing
work
for
us.
What
I?
Z
What
I
have
in
this
bill
is
that
you
cannot
that
in
your
creation
of
a
Workforce
program,
that
you
cannot
give
a
preference
over
one
minority
group
over
another,
you
have
to
give
equal
play
and
Target
and
Share
work
opportunities
related
to
Economic
Development,
and
the
same
thing
applies
to
the
city
of
North
Las
Vegas,
who
has
the
second
fiscal
note,
but,
as
you
know,
for
local
government,
we
don't
necessarily
take
into
consideration.
There
are
fiscal
notes.
We
take
into
consideration
the
impact
on
the
general
fund.
Z
Southern
Nevada
Enterprise
community
board,
so
there's
been
an
account
set
up,
I
guess
over
the
past
15
years,
where
it
is
run
by
the
city
of
Las
Vegas.
The
money
is
deposited
into
an
account
that
the
city
of
Las
Vegas
has
in
in
their
budget,
and
it
is
a
line
item
associated
with
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Questions
I'll
give
the
committee
just
a
second
to
read
a
little
bit.
AB
Z
So
in
section
four,
it
only
relates
to
the
Southern
Nevada
Enterprise
community
board
that
currently
has
a
comprehensive
development
strategy,
which
is
a
seds
that
has
been
approved
by
the
U.S
Department
of
Commerce,
as
of
May
12
2022,
and
so
it's
key
that
it
only
applies.
It
only
applies
to
section
four.
It
would
not
apply
to
any
of
the
previous
sections.
AB
A
Senator
Neil:
did
you
tell
me
or
tell
us
that
that
we
have
done
this
before
so.
Z
We
have
had
this
particular
law
on
the
as
a
special
act
under
Clinton
we've
had
this
in
law,
the
Southern
Nevada
Enterprise
community
board.
We
have
had
that
has
been
in
statute
we've.
Never
given
any
money
to
it.
I
think
in
2013
I
think
I
might
have
had
a
bill
that
asked
for
like
350
000
when
I
was
like
a
second
term
assembly
person
and
it
died,
I
mean
okay,
but
I
there
has
I
have
I.
I
have
never
brought
a
bill
in
order
to
ask
for
an
appropriation.
Z
Z
So
the
first
time
was
in
2015
when
I
chaired
that
committee
and
then
we
went
forward
and
got
another
review
by
the
U.S
Department
of
Commerce
to
review
Our
Community
Development
a
comprehensive
development
strategy,
and
then
they
approved
it
in
22,
and
then
we
were
told
to
establish
goals
and
priorities
for
what
we
wanted
to
accomplish
and
then
the
Eda
then
reviewed
those
goals.
A
A
L
AG
Chair
dondera
Lupa
members
of
the
Senate
finance
committee,
my
name
is
Nora
Benavides
Governor
affirms
manager
for
city
of
North
Las
Vegas
here
today
in
opposition
to
SB
246.
I.
Do
want
to
note
the
city's
fiscal
note
has
not
changed
as
a
bill
will
require
additional
staff
and
costs
for
Bill
inserts
and
I
also
want
to
note
that
while
we
were
neutral
previously,
when
sb246
went
on
the
policy
committee
that
has
changed
to
the
due
to
the
floor.
AG
Amendment
Amendment
486
that
at
oversight
Powers
the
city
of
North,
Las,
Vegas
city
Charter
committee,
which
is
meant
to
be
an
advisory
committee,
not
an
oversight
committee
Amendment
486
is
also
problematic
because
also
target
support.
Additional
portions
of
the
state
of
North
Las
Vegas
charter
only
unrelated
to
the
Workforce
Development
requirements
in
the
original
bill.
We
understand
what
Senator
Neil
is
trying
to
do
with
the
Workforce
Development
aspect
of
the
bill.
We
are
concerned
with
the
other
components
as
built
such
in
our
city
Charter
and
what
they
commit
for
the
city.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much
see
no
more
opposition
in
Carson
City,
seeing
none
in
Las
Vegas
we'll
go
to
the
phone
lines.
Opposition!
Please.
J
I
would
like
to
ditto
the
previous
speakers
regarding
406
and
I'd,
also
like
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
that
there
were
several
of
us
waiting
to
speak
to
oppose
SB
240,
and
you
said
there
wasn't
anybody
on
the
phone
lines.
Yet
we
were
waiting
to
speak
and
I'm
just
going
to
tell
you
the
reason
why
I
opposed
both
of
these
bills
is
because
it
carves
out
a
special
group
of
people
and
that
set
of
people
depending
on
their
sexual
preference.
A
A
Q
A
Z
Z
So,
as
you
recall
and
I
think
we
all
do
that
there
was
a
bill
that
moved
SB
184
that
basically
tried
to
give
allow
the
charter
committees
to
Charter
committee
to
function
within
the
city
of
North,
Las
Vegas,
and
the
argument
that
was
made
in
several
committees
in
the
policy
committee
on
assembly,
government,
Affairs,
Senate,
government,
Affairs
and
also
in
the
governor's
response,
was
that
they
wanted
all
of
the
process
to
amend
the
charter
to
go
through
the
charter
Committee
in
regards
to
the
expansion
of
the
city
council,
and
so
this
basically
allows
the
charter
committee
to
bring
up
issues
within
the
city
of
North,
Las,
Vegas
and
and
basically
creates
a
protection,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
testimony
that
came
up
in
both
of
those
hearings
of
the
charter
committee.
Z
Members
saying
that
they
weren't
allowed
to
meet,
and
so
basically
what
the
bill
does
is
guard
that
Charter
committee
and
allows
them
to
meet
without
being
I
guess
prevented
from
meeting.
And
so
it
it
also
basically
directs
the
clerk
to
also
you
know,
post
and
not
violate
the
law
and
some
other
issues.
But
that
was
what
was
added
to
the
bill
and
so
I
the
bill
was
only
trying
to
accomplish
that.
Z
Edition,
which
was
done
on
the
floor,
was
to
accomplish
the
allowing
the
charter
committee
to
function
because
basically,
SB
84
died
in
the
other
house,
and
this
amendment
was
done
well
before
it
would
died
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
charter
committee,
that
was
there,
could
bring
issues
forward
since
that
was
passed
into
law
in
2019.
I
believe
it
was
2019.
A
S
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Leslie
Quinn
Elias
last
name
is
Quinn.
I
have
sat
in
live
legislative
hearings,
watched
various
committee,
work
sessions,
floor
sessions,
read
and
listened
to
multiple
bills
and
resolutions.
This
82nd
legislative
session
bills
and
resolutions
bent
on
the
intentional
destruction
of
the
traditional
family
unit
and
adding
heavy
mental
loads
to
our
children.
I
am
disgusted
of
the
legislative
push
to
erase
Humanity
emasculate
men,
erase
women,
dismember
children
in
or
out
of
the
womb,
obliterate,
the
bond
of
the
family
and
erase
our
U.S
constitutional
freedoms
unless
it
suits
your
agenda.
S
All
of
this
is
being
done
on
the
altar
of
inclusivity
and
economic
social
governance.
Our
children
do
not
belong
to
the
government
or
any
special
interest
groups
advocating
infringement
on
the
parent-child
relationship
legislators.
Your
elected
officials
voted
by
your
District
constituents,
respect
all
parents
rights
to
protect
and
be
the
Authority
for
their
children.
Do
not
just
select
not
just
a
select
faction
or
sect.
Children
do
not
and
will
never
belong
to
the
government.
This
is
not
a
political
party
thing.
It's
a.
They
are
not
your
children
thing.
Respectfully.
S
I
asked
Nevada
and
parents,
and
parents
everywhere:
when
did
you
surrender
your
children
to
the
government?
You
are
the
rightful
Authority
for
your
children.
Do
not
allow
the
government
or
any
special
interest
group
to
take
away
your
god-given
constitutional
parental
rights
or
put
your
children
In
Harm's
Way,
our
children
depend
on
us
as
parents
to
serve
and
protect
them.
They
are
our
future
to
the
billions
of
loving
parents.
All
over
this
planet,
I
say
stand
up
for
all
children
make
your
actions,
not
just
your
words,
Clearly,
say
to
anyone
or
anything
attempting
to
harm
children.
Q
Hello,
everyone
c-y-r-u-s-h-o-j-j-a-t-y,
despite
some
issues,
I
really
did
enjoy
the
session.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
everything
and
I
have
to
also
point
out.
I
did
enjoy
the
Town
Hall
last
Saturday
with
Reuben
de
Silva,
commissioner
sickerbloom
Claire
Thomas
Venicia
Constantine
had
a
great
productive
time.
Q
You
know
it
makes
me
think
that
a
lot
of
people
who
have
concerns
about
this
state,
hardly
any
of
them,
showed
up
my
goodness,
but
one
thing
I
wanted
to
touch
on
was
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
who
are
wishing
to
go
to
an
annual
session
I,
do
support
that
kind
of
idea.
Unless,
if
we
cap
the
number
of
bills
to
you
can
just
do
three
to
four
hundred
every
session,
I
really
would
appreciate.
Q
If
we
can,
you
know
put
a
floor
so
that
way
we
have
more
time
to
look
at
the
bills,
because
there's
a
lot
of
even
good
bills
that
get
passed,
that
I
actually
miss
and
don't
really
address
my
opinions
about.
What's
going
on
so
you
know:
I
I
think
that
I
don't
like
this
Mission
Impossible
style
or
you
know,
trying
to
shove
all
the
builds
down
limited
time
limited
testimony.
Q
I
really
don't
see
how
this
is
working
well,
so
we
can
consider
alternatives
and
please
pass
on
the
comments
to
Senator
Spearman
who
talked
about
this.
A
J
Hello
good
evening,
my
name
is
Lorena
Cardenas,
that's
l-o-r-e-n-a-c-a-r-d-e-n-a-s
to
all
the
legislators,
both
on
the
right
and
the
left
side
of
the
aisle
right
here
right
now
you
have
the
opportunity
to
take
control
of
a
situation
that
has
gotten
out
of
hand
and
but
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that
you're
witnessing
a
very
destructive
social
contagion
that
is
affecting
our
youth
and
by.
C
J
And
claimed
that
SD
163
wasn't
giving
transsexuals
state
funded
or
government
taxpayer-funded
surgeries,
it
was
just
make
it
was
Equity.
There's
that
word
again
and
making
them
just
have
health
care
as
accessible
to
anyone
else,
but
that's
a
lie
because
they
can
actually
use
our
tax,
paying
health
insurance
that
they
use
to
get
these
surgeries
done
and
I
mean
these
surgeries
lead
to
a
lifelong
state
of
needing
medication.
J
And
if
you
go
on
Instagram
and
Facebook,
and
you
look
up
on
my
children's
Advocate
you'll
see
testimonies
of
teenagers
regretting
this
and
there's
also
another
website
called
transitionjustice.org,
where
you'll
see
that
it's
not
a
lie.
People
that
get
these
surgeries
and
they
mutilate
their
bodies
can
no
longer
ever
reverse
the
damage.
That's
been
done
to
their
body
and
their
suffering,
and
you
have
a
real
chance
of
stopping
and
slowing
this
down,
because
the
way
States
progressing,
it's
leaving
a
trail
of
mutilated
children
in
its
wake.
H
J
Very
intimidating
he
was
towering
over
me
and
I
went
into
the
restroom
and
I
had
the
phone
on
me
nearby,
hoping
and
crossing
my
fingers
that
I
don't
come
across.
Obviously
someone
that
is
mentally
Disturbed
and
you're
suffering
from
gender
dysphoria,
but
that
wouldn't
want
to
turn
on
me.
So
how
are
we
as
parents
supposed
to
think
that
it's
safe
to
send
in
our
daughters
to
a
public
restroom
I,
will
never
again
send
my
daughter
to
a
public,
restroom,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
to
this:
where
are
all
the
feminists?
J
How
have
you
stayed
quiet
through
something
like
this
you've
been
so
proud
of?
Being
the
first
female
LED
legislature
in
the
country,
but
you're
allowing
something
like
this
to
happen
to
women?
This
is
the
definition
of
hypocrisy.
Please
take
this
into
account
tap
into
your
conscience
into
your
moral
confused.
Do
not
betray
women
with
the
bills
that.
J
J
I
am
looking
at
these
bills,
and
you
are
often
shoving
these
through
to
the
senate
for
a
vote
when
over
85
percent
of
your
constituents
and
in
some
cases,
95
and
more,
are
asking
you
and
begging
you
not
to
including
the
lady
who
just
called
in
I
would
also
like
you
to.
Please
show
Governor
Lombardo
some
respect
by
approving
his
AB
400
and
bringing
his
parental
choice
for
education
to
Nevada,
so
that
we
can
improve
our
school
systems
so
that
we
can
attract
good
doctors
and
improve
our
medical
infrastructure.
J
I
would
also
like
you
to
pay
attention
to
your
constituents
when
they
beg
you
to
pass
Governor
Lombardo's
voter
ID
bill,
which
has
yet
to
be
brought
to
the
floor
for
a
vote.
So
please
show
him
some
respect
and
respect
your
constituents.
I
would
really
appreciate
that
and
I'm
sure
they
would
too,
and
thank
you
for
your
service
I
do
appreciate
those
of
you
that
are
fighting
for
us
tooth
and
nail.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
committee
we
will
meet
at
8
A.M.
Tomorrow
morning
we
will
have
five
bills
and
maybe
another
on
the
agenda,
but
we
will
see
you
at
8am
and
then
we
will
recess
and
have
another
session
in
the
afternoon.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.