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A
A
Here,
thank
you
so
much
we
have
everybody
present,
which
means
it
is
an
ideal
time
to
get
into
our
work
session.
We
have
a
number
of
bills
on
work
session.
Today
we
are
going
to
take
four
of
them
on
a
consent.
Calendar
which
means
it'll
just
be
one
vote
for
the
four
bills.
Those
are
ab32
ab275,
ab291
and
ab350.
So
we'll
start
with
the
consent
calendar,
and
then
we
will
go
to
AB
76
and
the
rest
of
them.
Ap,
5155,
272
and
405
in
numerical
order.
C
Okay,
excuse
me
thanks
chair
pattern
for
the
record,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
we're
starting
off
with
a
consent
calendar.
The
first
bill
is
ab32,
which
is
an
assembly
Judiciary
Committee
bill
on
behalf
of
the
Department
of
sentencing
policy
that
we
heard
on
May
1st
there's
a
lengthy
summary
here
of
the
bill.
Chair
I,
don't
go
through
it
all
unless
you
want
me
to
it.
C
Av-32
generally
revises
Provisions
governing
the
department
of
sentencing
policy,
including
changing
the
requirements
to
serve
as
the
executive
director
and
addressing
confidentiality
of
certain
records
and
requiring
the
collection
and
reporting
of
data
on
the
length
of
imprisonment
and
recidivism
rates
for
persons
whose
probation
suspension
of
sentence
or
parole
supervision
is
revoked
due
to
technical
violations.
It
also
makes
changes
regarding
the
division
of
parole
and
probation
that
are
similar
and
revises
risk
and
needs
assessments
administered
to
certain
probationers
and
Parolees.
C
A
Right
that
was
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
We're
not
remember
we're
doing
the
motion
as
a
consent
calendar,
but
are
there
any
questions
on
this
particular
bill?
Ab32
all
right,
then,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next.
C
One
okay,
thanks
chair,
the
next
bill
is
ab275,
which
is
sponsored
by
some
Newman
Hardy
and
others.
We
heard
it
here
on
May
11th,
maybe
275
prohibits
a
court
or
agency
of
Criminal
Justice
in
this
state
from
charging
any
fee
related
to
the
ceiling
of
a
criminal
record.
If
at
the
time,
the
crime
for
which
the
record
to
be
sealed
was
committed,
the
petitioner
was
being
sex
trafficked
and
the
petitioner
is
required
to
include
a
statement
in
the
petition
certifying
that
at
the
time
the
crime
was
committed.
They
were
being
sex
trafficked.
C
Thanks
the
next
is
assembly
Bill
291,
it's
an
assembly,
Judiciary
Committee
Bill.
We
heard
it
here
on
the
20th
of
April.
It
provides
that
the
state
is
not
required
to
establish
that
all
the
acts
constituting
a
crime
of
swindling
occurred
in
this
state
or
within
a
single
City,
County
or
local
jurisdiction
of
this
state,
and
it
further
provides
that
it's
no
defense
that
a
person
did
not
commit
all
the
acts
constituting
the
crime
within
this
state
or
in
a
single
City,
County
or
local
jurisdiction
of
the
state.
C
Okay,
thanks
in
the
last
bill
on
the
consent,
calendar
is
ab350.
This
regards
forfeiture
of
property.
It's
an
assembly
Judiciary
Committee
bill,
which
we
heard
here
on
the
17th
of
April,
requires
each
law
enforcement
agency
to
include
additional
information
relating
to
seizures
and
forfeitures
in
the
annual
report
submitted
to
the
Office
of
the
Attorney
General,
and
it
additionally
requires
the
Office
of
the
Attorney
General
to
make
the
reports
relating
to
seizures
and
forfeitures
that
are
published
on
this
internet
website
available
in
machine,
readable
format.
A
A
I,
don't
see
any
discussion,
so
all
in
favor,
I
I
any
opposed.
Nay,
it
is
a
unanimous
vote
to
pass
the
four
bills
on
the
consent.
Calendar
I
will
assign
the
floor.
Shipping
for
ab32
to
the
first
volunteer,
nope
Senator
Stone,
it's
yours,
I
will
assign
the
floor
statement
on
ab275
to
Senator.
Krasner
I
will
sign
the
floor
strip
on
ab291
to
Senator
orenshaw
and
the
statement
on
ab350
to
Senator
Hanson,
and
that
takes
us
to
AB
76.
C
Thanks
chair
pat
guy
and
again,
this
is
AB
76.
We
heard
it
here
on
May
8th.
This
is
a
bill
sponsored
by
Speaker
Yeager
ab76
increases
from
fifteen
hundred
dollars
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
the
maximum
amount
of
cost
that
a
court
May
award
to
a
prevailing
party
for
the
reasonable
fees
of
an
expert
witness.
D
And
my
only
concern
was
fifteen
hundred
or
fifteen
thousand
is
a
heck
of
a
big
jump
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
anybody
done
like
an
inflation
calculation
or
anything
like
that,
I
mean
I.
Don't
have
any
problems
with
you
know.
The
law
as
currently
written
allows
the
judge
a
great
deal
of
discretion.
It
sounded
like
anyway,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
really
worth
worrying
about,
but
it
just
seemed
like
a
heck
of
a
big
jump
from
fifteen
hundred
to
fifteen
thousand
in
one
one.
D
Fell
Swoop
I
have
no
idea
when
the
last
time
that
number
was
was
adjusted.
It
was
at
fifteen
hundred
bucks
from
1958
or
something
I
have
no
idea.
So
anybody
got
any
ideas
on
that.
I.
A
Think
there
was
some
testimony
on
this
I
don't
know
if
maybe
legal
could
weigh
in
on
when
the
fifteen
hundred
dollar
was
set.
E
D
To
support
the
bill
I'm
just
more
curious
about
I,
always
hate,
seeing
numbers
jump
that
much
in
in
statute
like
that,
so
anyway,
not
worth
worrying
about.
If
she
could
get
me
that
number
just
out
of
curiosity
and
then
if
I
do
have
concerns,
I
can
change
my
vote
on
the
floor.
I.
A
F
I
do
remember
the
testimony
when
the
speaker
was
giving
the
testimony
and
it
hasn't
been
adjusted
for
years
and
had
they
put
a
CPI
increase
on
it.
It
would
have
been
much
higher
than
the
15
000
was
like
thirty
thousand
dollars,
and
so
he
kind
of
still
cut
it
in
half
because
it
was
such
a
big
jump.
But
that
kind
of
refreshes
my
memory
on
what
he
testified
to.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
that's
helpful,
any
other
questions
on
AB
76
not
seen
any
I
would
accept
a
motion
to
do
pass.
We
have
a
motion
from
Senator
krasner,
a
second
from
Senator
Nguyen.
Any
discussion
on
the
motion
not
seeing
any
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed,
nay,
it's
a
unanimous
motion
to
pass
assembly.
Bill,
76
and
I
will
sign
the
floor
statement
to
the
first
volunteer.
C
Thanks
chair
Patrick
geyne
again
for
the
record,
we're
at
assembly
Bill
51.
Now
this
is
an
assembly
Judiciary
Committee
bill
on
behalf
of
the
Attorney
General
that
we
heard
here
on
April,
20th
and
I'll
go
through
the
whole
thing.
It
revises
the
period
for
man,
the
mandatory
and
discretionary
arrest
of
a
person
suspected
of
committing
a
battery
which
constitutes
domestic
violence.
The
bill
requires
a
peace
officer
to
arrest
a
person's
suspect
suspected
of
such
a
crime.
C
If
the
peace
officer
encounters
the
person
while
responding
to
the
initial
request
for
assistance
relating
to
the
battery
within
24
hours
after
the
alleged
battery
or
if
the
peace
officer
did
not
encounter
the
person
while
responding
to
the
initial
request
within
seven
days
after
the
alleged
battery
the
bill
prohibits
a
court
from
granting
probation
to
or
suspending
the
sentence
of,
a
person
who
is
charged
with
committing
a
battery
which
constitutes
domestic
violence
that
is
punishable
as
a
felony.
There
are
two
amendments
proposed
to
the
bill.
C
The
first
is
from
the
attorney
general
and
is
attached
for
your
review.
It
adds
language
defining
what
constitutes
quote
unquote:
relevant
training
for
a
victim's
Advocate
who
provides
services
to
victims
of
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault
or
human
trafficking.
The
Second
Amendment
is
from
the
District
Attorney's
Association,
which
was
discussed
at
the
hearing
as
a
well.
It
revises
language
concerning
a
peace
officer's
quote,
unquote,
direct
interaction
with
a
person,
who's
alleged
or
suspected
to
have
committed
battery
and
to
arrest
and
end
the
arrest
of
such
a
person.
That's
all
sir.
A
A
G
A
C
Thanks
chair,
the
next
bill
is
assembly,
Bill
55,
which
is
a
assembly
Judiciary
Committee
bill
on
behalf
of
the
state
treasurer.
The
bill
revises
provisions
of
the
uniform
unclaimed
property
act,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
changing
the
dates
on
which
certain
on
property
is
presumed,
abandoned,
requiring
the
administrator
of
unclaimed
property
to
create
and
maintain
a
Statewide
publicly
available
searchable
database.
That
includes
the
name
of
the
person
reported
to
be
the
apparent
owner
of
the
property.
C
Its
general
purpose
to
make
the
law
uniform
among
the
states
that
enact
the
ACT.
There
is
an
amendment
from
the
state
treasurer's
office.
That's
attached
for
your
review.
It
revises
from
the
second
renewal
to
the
first
renewal
of
a
time
deposit,
the
time
at
which
such
a
property
is
presumed
abandoned
and
it
provides
for
the
annual
publication
of
a
notice
concerning
abandoned
property
in
a
newspaper
of
General
circulation
in
a
county
whose
population
is
less
than
seven
hundred
thousand
and
it
sets
fourth
criteria
for
the
contents
of
such
a
notice.
That's
all.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
I
spoke
with
treasurer.conine
after
our
meeting
and
I
asked
him
to
change.
He.
He
was
proposing
to
change
the
publication
from
six
times
per
year
to
zero
times
per
year.
I
asked
him
if
he
would
at
least
publish
once
per
year,
in
addition
to
putting
it
on
the
website,
because
of
my
concern
that
some
senior
citizens
might
not
see
it
otherwise,
because
they
don't
because
they
don't
have
access
to
the
internet,
and
he
agreed
and
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
so
I
will
be
voting.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Any
other
discussion
not
seeing
any
all
in
favor,
I
I,
any
opposed,
nay,
all
right,
a
unanimous
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass.
Ab55
I
will
assign
the
floor
statement
to
senator
krasner.
C
Okay,
Pat
down
again
for
the
record.
We
are
now
at
assembly
bill
272..
This
is
sponsored
by
assembly
movement,
Monroe
Moreno.
It
deals
with
mail
theft,
it
creates
the
crime
of
male
theft.
As
a
category
D
Felony,
we
heard
the
bill
on
May.
11Th
I
won't
go
down.
The
bullet
point
list
here
chair
unless
you
want
me
to
it,
sets
out
what
what
constitutes
the
crime
of
male
theft.
C
There
is
an
amendment
that
the
Nevada
District
Attorneys
Association
in
consultation
with
the
sponsor,
have
proposed,
and
it's
here
for
you
review
that
removes
language,
referencing
personal,
identifying
information
and
also
the
word
breaks
in
relation
to
opening
certain
mailboxes
and
that's
all
chair.
Thank
you.
A
A
Any
discussion
on
the
motion
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
I
I
any
imposed?
Nay,
all
right.
The
motion
carries
to
amended
you
pass
ab272
and
I
will
assign
the
floor
statement
to
Senator
Stone.
C
Okay
last
bill
on
the
work
session
today
is
assembly
Bill
405,
which
revises
Provisions
relating
to
court
programs
for
the
treatment
of
mental
illness
or
intellectual
disabilities.
It's
an
assembly
Judiciary
Bill,
we've
heard
it
on
May
5th
the
bill
authorizes
a
justice
court
or
Municipal
Court
to
establish
a
program
for
the
treatment
of
mental
illness
or
intellectual
disabilities
and
to
transfer
original
jurisdiction
of
a
case
involving
an
eligible
defendant
to
the
district
court.
C
If
the
justice
court
or
municipal
court
has
not
established
such
a
program
and
it
further
provides
that
the
District
Court
justice
court
or
Municipal
Court
May
impose
sanctions
against
the
defendant
for
the
violation
but
allow
the
defendant
to
remain
in
the
program.
There
is
an
amendment
submitted
by
judge
wood
who
presented
the
bill.
It's
attached
for
your
review
and
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
members
that
the
amendment
that
was
submitted
by
judge
wood
is
is
inserted
into
an
amendment
that
was
approved
in
the
assembly.
A
Thank
you
so
much
any
questions
on
ab405
I,
don't
see
any
questions,
so
I'd
accept
a
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
from
Senator
Nguyen,
a
second
from
Senator
Don,
Darrow
Loop.
Any
discussion
on
the
motion
not
seen
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
I
I,
any
opposed.
Nay,
all
right
motion
carries
unanimously
to
amended
you
pass
assembly.
Bill,
405
and
I'll
give
the
floor
statement
to
Senator
Nguyen,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
conclusion
of
our
work
session,
which
means
it
is
time
now
for
our
bill
hearings.
A
I
Thank
you,
Senator
Charles,
Terry
Reynolds
director
for
the
Department
of
Business
and
Industry
with
me
at
the
Sawyer
building,
is
Cara
Brown,
our
alj
for
the
consumer
affairs
unit
and
also
our
chief
investigator
Chris
Williams,
who
has
been
with
us
actually
for
this
program
since
the
beginning.
So.
I
Legislation
was
passed,
requiring
registration
of
structured
settlement
companies
and,
at
the
time
we
were
asked
whether
we
would
mind
being
the
entity
to
do
the
registration
for
these
companies.
There's
approximately
22
companies
that
engage
in
structured
settlements
at
the
time
when
this
was
set
up.
We
were
also
working
to
get
the
consumer
affairs
unit
under
permit
authorization
since
2013
it
was
reauthorized
every
two
years,
so
every
legislative
session
we
had
to
go
in
and
get
the
consumer
affairs
as
I,
say
re-upped
to
be
able
to
to
have
it
be
authorized
under
statute.
I
At
that
time
and
after
the
session,
we
were
able
to
get
that
under
a
permanent
section
under
598,
which
is
the
fraud
deceitful
practice
area,
and
at
that
time
we
thought
that
we
could
be
able
to
do
regulations
and
do
fees
for
the
regulation
of
the
structured
settlement
companies
under
the
general
authorization
of
598.
we
consulted
with
the
LCB,
and
they
felt
that
we
should
get
specific
authorization
because
of
the
nature
of
how
the
consumer
affairs
unit
was
set
up.
So
with
that,
that's
how
SB
449
came
under
being
so.
What
does
it?
Do?
I
It
authorized
the
consumer
affairs
unit
to
adopt
regulations
in
consultation
with
the
Director
of
Business
and
Industry
to
carry
out
the
provisions
of
NRS
42.200
to
4
2.400
inclusive.
It
also
authorizes
the
consumer
affairs
unit
to
charge
an
initial
and
renewal
registration
application
of
250
dollars,
a
late
registration
renewal
of
375
upon
failure
to
renew
their
registration
within
60
days
after
the
expiration
and
a
registration
reinstatement
fee
of
500,
which
would
allow
registration
if
they
allow
it
to
relapse.
So
they,
if
they
do
not
register
within
the
late
fee
time
they
let
everything
lapse.
I
Then
it's
500.
It
also
allows
Surety
bonds
or
a
letter
of
credit
instead
of
cash
Bonds
in
the
n449.
In
the
way
it
was
originally
set
up,
it
allowed
cash
bonds.
We
would
much
prefer
and
I
think
the
state
of
the
art
is
that
people
file
letters
of
credit
or
a
surety
bond
instead
of
cash
bonds.
So
that's
basically
what
it
does
for
the
legislation.
Like
I
said
we
had
about
22
companies
that
we
have
registered
in
the
past.
I
We
have
not
accepted
any
any
funds
for
that,
but
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
set
up
a
fee
of
250
to
do
that.
We
did
work
with
staff
in
terms
of
their
time
element
to
be
able
to
work
through
the
registration
of
these
companies.
Basically,
we
will
be
accepting
applications,
renewals,
processing
payment
receipts,
Tracking
Company
profile,
including
bonds
and
contact
information,
if
needed,
investigations
and
enforcement
and
then
issuing
certificates
that
they
are
registered
within
the
state
Nevada.
So
that's,
essentially
what
we
will
do
with
the
legislation.
F
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Can
you
just
compare
and
contrast
for
me
the
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
a
cash
Bond
versus
a
surety
or
a
letter
of
credit
when
it
comes
to
security
and
when
it
comes
to
the
cost
of
the
the
business
to
provide
such
security?
Well,.
I
Cash
bond
is
actual
cash
that
they
have
to
put
up.
Yeah
and
a
letter
of
credit
is
that
they
have
money
available
within
the
bank,
the
bank
issues
usually
or
the
financial
institution
issues
a
letter
of
credit.
There
is
a
cost
to
do
that,
but
it's
not
like
having
to
take
cash
out
and
dedicate
that
cash
you're
able
to
basically
collect
interest
on
that
money.
That's
within
the
bank.
F
So
from
a
state
perspective,
we
really
don't
care,
but
from
a
business
standpoint,
it's
probably
less
expensive
for
them
to
go
for
a
surety
or
a
letter
of
credit
and
I
assume
that,
with
a
letter
of
credit,
if
their
balances
don't
reflect
the
value
of
the
letter
of
credit
that
the
bank
must
notify.
I
That
that
is
correct,
Terry
Reynolds
for
the
record.
Excuse
me
the
director
for
the
Department
of
business
industry.
That
is
correct
and
we
feel
that
it's
much
easier
for
us
to
to
work
with
a
financial
institution
with
either
surety
bond
or
or
a
letter
of
credit
then
have
to
really
account
for
cash
and
making
sure
that
that
cash
Bond
stays
whole
within
the
period
of
time.
So
you
are
correct.
I
A
J
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
Alfredo
Alonso,
the
law
firm
of
Lewis
and
Roca
today,
representing
the
National
Association
of
settlement
purchasers
and
when
this
body
regulated
the
industry
last
session,
I
think
we
were
all
under
the
impression
that
the
division
had
the
authority
to
in
fact
charge
a
fee
for
this
license,
and-
and
so
unfortunately,
we
found
out
that
was
in
question,
so
we're
back
before
you
just
letting
everyone
know
that
we
had
agreed,
then
we
agreed
now
that
that
needs
to
be
fixed
if
possible.
K
A
K
I
Terry
Reynolds
director
for
the
Department
of
business
industry,
just
chair
scheibel,
just
to
thank
you
and
members
of
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
give
testimony
on
this,
and
if
there
are
any
questions
that
come
up,
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
them
subsequently.
Thank
you.
A
A
Any
discussion
on
the
motion,
all
right,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
all
right.
It
is
a
unanimous
vote
of
those
Senators
present,
which
includes
everybody,
except
for
Senator.
Wynne
and
I
will
take
the
floor
statement,
and
that
brings
us
to
our
next
bill.
Hearing
on
ab-452
I
will
now
open
up
the
hearing
on
ab-452
and
invite
the
presenters
up
to
the
front
to
go
ahead
and
begin
whenever
you
are
ready.
L
L
L
Down
to
this,
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
there
was
in
statute
a
guaranteed
ability
for
visitation
in
prisons,
and
we
wanted
notice
if
those
visitations
were
not
going
to
be
held,
and
we
also
were
interested
in
maybe
establishing
an
ombuds
person
who
would
be
able
to
be
sort
of
a
pressure
reliever
or
a
fixer
of
of
some
sort
for
issues
that
may
come
up
with
respect
to
inmates.
So
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Ms,
Hawking
and
director
zorenda
for
further
discussion
on
the
amendment
and
the
ongoing
work.
Thank
you.
M
And
I
just
want
to
thank
the
chair,
and
all
of
you
for
hearing
this
bill
and
directors
are
under
really
that
we
have
put
in
an
enormous
amount
of
work
in
coming
to
a
middle
ground
and
something
that
I
think
is
acceptable
and
will
work
for
all
parties
involved.
M
M
I
guess
I
started
to
realize
this,
even
as
I
was
starting
to
talk
to
legislators
and
I
thought
things
that
were
like
common
knowledge
for
us
or
common
experience,
we're
foreign
to
many
of
you,
and
so
those
experiences
are
often
hidden
and
really
what
we've
been
calling
for
all
along
is
communication
and
transparency
and
really
understanding
and
oversight.
M
We
have
begun
to
make
strides
in
that
with
the
current
Administration,
but
unfortunately,
prisons
are
really
a
space
that
are
hidden
from
public
eye
unless
you
end
up
being
touched
by
incarceration,
which
I
hope
none
of
you
are,
then
the
imprisonment
of
your
loved
one
or
yourself
is
something
that's
really
difficult
to
to
comprehend
all
of
the
pieces
that
happen
to
it.
Over
the
past
couple
of
years,
we
have
started
to
do
a
lot
of
like
research
and
studying
into
really
what
are
those
principles
behind
what
make
good
oversight.
M
There
are
a
few
best
practices
through
research
and
people
who
really
are
experts
in
this,
and
one
of
the
key
ones
is
that
when
you
start
to
look
at
oversight
that
it's
independent
from
Department
of
Corrections,
both
in
Staffing
and
funding,
that
the
oversight
really
focuses
on
two
main
areas,
either
investigation
and
or
monitoring
of
prison
conditions?
And
then
the
third
thing
is
access
access
to
prisons,
access
to
people
that
are
impacted
records
and
data
and
I.
Think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
finding
ways
that
this
works
in
Nevada.
M
There
are
states
that
are
starting
to
implement
oversight
bills,
but
each
one
is
really
dependent
on
what
is
is
good
in
that
state
and
what
works
in
that
state,
and
so
that
was
what
I
feel
like.
We
tried
to
do
here,
so
I'm
going
to
just
kind
of
go
through
the
the
bill,
I
think
of
it
in
two
sections,
the
first
section
on
visitation,
so
the
first
part
really
was
just
to
codify
the
administrative
regulation
for
visitation
regarding
in-person
visitation.
M
M
As
visitation
came
back
after
covid,
the
severe
Staffing
shortages
has
created
a
monstrosity
as
far
as
visitation
and
cancellations,
and
it
was
much
much
worse
prior
to
directors,
arenda
being
there
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
visits
that
were
getting
canceled
before
have
now
gotten
better
as
far
as
cancellations,
but
we
also
wanted
some
protection
around
cancellations
and
cancellation
notifications,
people
shouldn't
fly
across
country
or
fly
from
another
country
or
even
drive
from
Vegas,
and
find
a
sign
on
the
door
that
says
your
visit
was
canceled,
and
so
this
would
do
a
couple
of
things
if
the
notification
that
it
would
require
notification
on
a
public
space
so
either
on
the
website,
which
right
now
doesn't
happen
or
through,
like
a
push
text.
M
Notification
like
what
happens
with
I,
keep
saying
snow
days
and
then
I
forget
Nevada.
We
don't
have
zillions
of
snow
days,
but
that
those
push
notification
notifications
would
go
to
anyone
who
is
registered
for
that
service.
It
would
also
require
if
the
notice
was
72
hours
or
longer
than
the
death
one.
Somebody,
a
deputy
director
would
have
to
approve
that,
so
that
people
knew
it
wasn't.
M
Just
a
random
like
a
visiting
officer
canceled
visit
today
and
if
it
was
under
72
hours,
then
the
director
would
just
have
to
approve
it
in
order
to
make
sure
that
that
Administration
was
in
support
of
that.
In
addition,
the
department
would
re
provide
a
quarterly
report
to
include
the
number
of
cancellations
per
facility
and
the
reasons
for
the
cancellations
to
the
board
of
prison
Commissioners.
So
there's
a
reporting
aspect
also,
the
second
part
of
the
bill,
the
other
half
of
it,
is
really
about
the
creation
of
an
ombudsman
office.
M
M
The
director
would
be
and
I'm
not
sure
if
your
copy
says
the
it
might
say
the
AG's
office.
That's
because
that's
what
was
currently
in
statute,
but
we
have
since
amended
that
to
the
director
the
director
of
ndoc
would
establish
an
office
of
the
Ombudsman.
It
would
be
independent
and
impartial
from
Department
of
Corrections,
and
it
would
assist
in
strengthen
strengthening
procedures
and
practices
that
really
lessen
the
possibility
of
actions
occurring
within
the
department
that
may
adversely
impact
the
health,
safety,
welfare
and
Rehabilitation
of
offenders.
M
The
next
statement
on
it
says
that
the
director
would
make
the
funds
available
to
support
the
office
of
the
Ombudsman.
We
are
still
working
on
that.
We
actually
had
a
plan
that
is
I'm
going
to.
Let
you
talk
about
that
when
it
comes
up
that
has
shifted
a
little
bit
on
that
one.
M
M
So
if
it
is
food
issues,
if
it
is
Correctional
abuse,
if
it
depending
on
what
it
is
that
they
would
be
able
to
see
those
patterns
and
then
make
recommendations
to
the
state
about
how
to
address
those
I
got
ahead
of
myself,
they
would
also
be
so
there
would
be
an
RFP
and
then
the
Ombudsman
once
that
bid
is
accepted,
would
also
provide
training
or
refer
training
for
officers
and
people
who
are
in
the
manage
the
grievance
responses
to
make
sure
that
they're
meeting
all
of
those
requirements
and
then,
lastly,
that
accesses
they
would
be
able
to
provide
a
report
back
on
grievances,
whether
they
were
accepted
or
denied.
M
Were
they
meeting
timelines
and
various
other
things,
and
they
would
have
the
access
to
internal
grievance
audits.
N
Hello
James
Miranda
for
the
record
Department
of
Correction
director,
so
we
have
gone
gone
over
this
and
over
this
quite
a
few
times.
Just
so
everybody
know,
I
did
meet
with
our
Deputy
attorney
general,
that
represents
Corrections
and
he
concurred
what
I
saw
in
Connecticut
Connecticut
had
the
Ombudsman.
When
I
was
there
separate
agency?
It's
not
a
state
agency.
It
was
just
an
RFP
of
any
law
firm
that
was
willing
and
interested
in
taking
the
contract.
N
It
does
reduce
litigation
cases
in
the
future
and
it
does
help
everything
to
be
more
transparent
about
the
agency,
especially
if
we're
an
agency
that's
supposed
to
be
transparent
and
not
hiding
anything.
The
the
cases
that
go
to
court
are
usually
cases
the
weight.
The
way
grievances
work
and
the
way
the
agreements
with
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
is
is
the
if
the
offender
has
to
go
through
a
process
of
grievances.
The
informal
step
one
step,
two
step
three
step:
three
ending
at
the
director.
N
If
those
steps
have
happened,
it
gives
the
inmate
and
the
M8
still
doesn't
get
resolution.
It
gives
the
offender
the
ability
to
file
litigation
in
court
that
what
the
Ombudsman
will
do
is
we'll
play
almost
like
the
the
mediator
for
the
court,
the
Arbiter
for
the
cases,
so
that
person
can
act
or
a
group
can
actually
help
prevent
these
cases
from
actually
going
further
by
being
the
outside
entity.
That
could
actually
determine
whether
or
not
the
the
Grievances
were
warranted,
whether
or
not
everything
was
done
properly.
N
The
other
piece
that
helps
us
in
litigation
with
Ombudsman
is
is
the
training
aspects,
training
and
monitoring
of
the
books
the
Ombudsman
should
and
which
it
did
in
Connecticut
had
access
to
case
notes.
So
any
time
that's
somebody
meets
a
caseworker
like
what
happens
here,
meets
with
an
offender,
and
they
have
a
problem
trying
to
resolve
a
issue
or
a
complaint.
N
The
caseworker
has
to
put
a
case
note
in
the
notice
notice,
is
available
for
tracking
and
also
for
the
next
step
level
grievance
to
go
back
to
see
what
was
actually
done
at
that
level
was,
it
was
it
already
sent.
Was
it
answered?
Was
the
time
frame
met
which
would
be
an
important
piece
for
the
Ombudsman
as
well
to
have
access
if
this
went
through
to
have
access
to
notice,
so
they
can
actually
monitor
also
the
time
frames
and
due
processes,
especially
when
you
have
due
process
related
to
discipline.
N
We
do
have
a
significant
number
of
court
cases
that
are
litigated
against
the
department
based
upon
due
process
failures
based
on
discipline
there
has
to.
There
is
a
specific
due
process
for
handling
of
discipline.
The
notice
of
the
charges,
the
time
frame
for
when
a
charge
can
be
heard.
The
sanctions
there's
a
there's,
actually
a
due
process
for
that.
N
If
it's
not
followed,
there
goes
for
litigation
again,
but
that
can
also
be
something
that
the
Ombudsman
should
be
able
to
Monitor
and
focus
on
so
that
their
everything
is
following
the
steps
and
a
lot
of
it
is,
is
done
by
accident.
But
when
you
have
an
ombudsman
following
it,
it
actually
can
put
things
back
in
Focus
or
changed
the
direction
of
what
happened
grievance
or
discipline
or
the
appeal
so
that
it
does
not
get
to
a
court
a
litigation.
N
Unfortunately,
it's
hard
to
determine
cost
savings
on
non-litigated
cases,
because
we
don't
know
about
them
and
we
will
never
know
about
them.
We
just
could
go
back
in
time
to
say
what
was
actually
litigated
and
did
it
reduce
those
numbers
over
the
next
few
years
that
it
was
a
few
years
earlier,
but
I
know
it's
significant
I
know
the
states
that
have
done
this
do
show
reduction
in
litigated
cases.
Right
now
we
have
662
cases
in
litigation
against
the
department.
Currently
today
those
can
be
reduced
dramatically.
N
If
we
do
something
different
and
doing
something
different
is
to
me
is
the
piece
of
the
Ombudsman
to
help
out
with
making
sure
that
things
are
done
properly,
even
if
they
were
missed
the
other
piece
of
this
bill
when
you're
talking
about
visits,
unfortunately,
I'd
say
almost
all.
If
not
all
visits
are
canceled
at
the
last
minute.
It's
a
99
due
because
of
Staffing
when
we
have
staff
that
don't
show
up
for
work
or
someone's
calling
out.
N
We
can't
get
people
in
on
overtime
because
there
is
no
more
staff,
there's
a
process
that
the
facilities
do
with
what
they
cancel
or
move
around
or
reduce
on
Staffing,
so
that
we
we
can
actually
run
the
operation
safely.
Unfortunately,
visits
is
one
of
those
that
probably
gets
shut
down
first
or
close
to
first,
so
it
happens
literally
at
the
first
of
the
shift.
N
But
we
should
have
a
process
to
notify
the
public,
because
there
are
chances
of
the
afternoon
visits.
Saving
someone
a
trip
from
Las
Vegas
to
Indian
Springs
could
help
or
even
Phoenix
up
to
Las
Vegas.
We
still
can
do
that
and
should
do
that
notice
to
the
public
and
it's
not
just
cancellations
of
visits.
It
should
be
cancellation
of
any
operations
and
things
should
be
notified
on
on
our
website
or
a
process.
So
people
understand
why
or
what
happened
in
for
the
day's
events.
N
The
last
piece
that
I
I
can
I
can
go
over
about
the
Ombudsman
as
well.
The
ombudsman's
office
have
the
problem.
I
could
see
that
that
has
already
happened
in
2011
legislation.
N
The
legislation
was
put
enacted,
the
Attorney
General's
office
to
have
the
ability
to
scope
for
an
ombudsman's
office
related
to
under
the
Attorney
General
to
oversight
of
Corrections.
Unfortunately,
it
was
never
never
funded,
never
happened,
but
it
is
already
currently
in
statute
that
there's
an
ombudsman
available
or
scope
that
can
go
under
the
Attorney
General's
office.
N
Currently,
however,
it
still
takes
the
Avenue
that
there's
a
state
agency
overseeing
another
state
agency
which,
to
me
I,
think
the
purpose
of
this
one
would
be
to
have
a
separate,
complete
entity,
a
private
firm,
whatever
it
is,
that
can
actually
have
a
or
have
somewhat
of
an
oversight,
and
it's
not
a
legal
oversight.
It's
just
an
oversight
to
be
able
to
show
in
discrepancies,
inconsistencies
or
patterns
patterns
of
things
that
probably
shouldn't
happen.
That
could
be
more
effective
for
better
corrections.
But
that's
all
I
got
on
this,
but
I
think
it
is.
N
It
is
purposeful
and
I
do
believe
it
would
help
in
our
litigated
cases.
The
only
part
of
this
I
would
have
to
look
at
is
how
we're
going
to
get
it
funded,
but
I
know
we
turn
in
a
lot
of
money
under
category
one
funding,
which
is
our
vacancies
and
our
our
staffing,
and
that's
that's
enough
to
at
least
get
this
so
that
we
could
refocus
or
put
the
money
into
an
IFC
contingency
to
be
able
to
pay
for
this,
at
least
for
the
first
contract
year
or
two
years
or
whatever.
N
F
Thank
you
beneficiary.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
director
zarenda.
We
we've
talked
about
Staffing
levels
and
I
think
we've
both
kind
of
come
to
the
conclusion
that
we
don't
pay
our
prison
guards
enough
money
and,
as
a
result,
we
have
like
400
vacancies,
1500
slots,
1100
vacancies,
and
you
mentioned
that
99
of
these
cancellations
are
going
to
happen
at
the
last
minute.
F
I,
don't
see
how
an
ombudsman
is
going
to
mitigate
that
issue,
and
you
know
here
we
are
spelling
out
in
statute
the
visitation
rules
that
I
would
assume
that,
when
this
becomes
law
that
you're
going
to
educate
your
troops,
if
you
will
on
visitation
rules
and
people
are
going
to
hopefully
follow
those
rules
and
so
I'm
concerned.
At
a
time
when
we
don't
have
enough
money
for
Corrections
for
hiring
more
prison
guards.
We're
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
an
ombudsman
which
may
make
your
job
a
little
bit
easier.
F
But
we
put
you
in
this
position
for
a
reason.
We
trust
that
you're
going
to
bring
the
Department
of
Corrections
into
the
New
Millennium
if
you
will
and
make
sure
that
our
officers
are
safe,
making
sure
the
prisoners
are
appropriately
taken
care
of.
Don't
you
think
that
might
be
more
appropriate
to
pass
this
bill
without
the
Ombudsman
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
fix
these
problems
and
then
in
2025.
F
If
you
come
back
to
us
and
say
that
this
expenditure
of
the
Ombudsman,
which
I'm
is
probably
going
to
be
in
the
six
figures
or
more,
is
proven
to
be
needed,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
your
opinion
on
on
that.
N
So
James
running
for
the
record,
actually
I
was
thinking
the
opposite.
When
you
talk
about
visiting
policies
and
procedures,
there's
already
a
policy
and
procedure
oversight,
which
is
the
board
of
Prisons
commission,
which
is
built
into
the
Nevada
statute
already
in
in
the
Constitution
Nevada
constitution,
and
there's
also
possible
with
bills
that
are
being
passed
today,
that
the
visitation
is
actually
going
to
fall
under
233
B
process
of
public
hearing.
So
there
is
going
to
be
oversight
of
that.
So
I
was
thinking
more
the
opposite.
N
F
G
Thank
you
very
much
Karen.
Thank
you.
Miss
Hawking
and
assemblywoman
director
I'm,
just
wondering
if
this
passes
and
we
have
an
ombudsman,
and
maybe
some
problems
are
able
to
be
solved
before
it
gets
to
the
point
of
litigation.
Do
you
think
that
there
might
be
I
guess
some
savings
for
the
department
and
in
terms
of
not
having
to
end
up
in
the
state
court
or
federal
court
on
some
of
these
issues?
If
the
Ombudsman
can
try
to
maybe
cut
through
the
red
tape,
and
you
solve
some
of
the
issues
that
come
up.
N
James
around
here
for
the
record
I
know
it
will,
but
it's
hard
to
prove
because
you're
not
going
to
see
cases
come
up
the
thing
what
you
can
prove
is
is
that
it'll
be
quicker
resolutions.
When
you're
talking
about
court
cases,
they
could
be
two
three
four
six
years,
even
late
down
the
road
which
builds
up
tensions
with
the
offenders
when
they
really
have
issues
that
they
believe
should
have
been
resolved.
That
aren't.
N
That's
where
you
can
have
an
ombudsman
can
actually
help
resolve
issues
or
at
least
explain
and
make
the
offender
feel
like
they
got
us.
Someone
outside
the
agency
to
listen
to
them
and
give
a
regular
layman
term
definition
of
why
the
Grievances
didn't
go
through,
rather
than
waiting
for
a
court
case
which
could
take
two
two
to
six
years
before
it
gets
there
with
the
tension
and
all
that.
A
O
-B-R-O-W-N-I-N-G
I
have
an
incarcerated
loved
one
and
I
also
am
a
core
volunteer
with
return
strong,
as
I
was
thinking
about
what
to
write.
I
was
thinking
about
our
letters
and
how
how
many
come
in
the
topics
that
are
covered
and
how
little
we
can
actually
do
to
resolve
the
problems
that
are
shared
with
us.
Then
I
started
thinking
about
how
instrumental
an
ombudsman
would
be
if
they
had
access
to
notice
the
note
system
and
could
run
a
report
and
look
at
the
patterns
of
problems
across
the
facilities.
O
O
P
Good
afternoon,
thank
you,
chair
schroivo,
and
the
committee
for
the
hearing
of
a
beef
452.,
which
is
such
an
important
bill.
My
name
is
Melissa
doona
m-e-l-I-s-s-a-d-u-n-a
and
my
son
is
incarcerated
at
High
Desert
State,
Prison
I
want
to
start
by
explaining
this.
My
son
isn't
in
a
hard
hardened
Criminal.
He
was
addicted
to
drugs
and
stole
if
this
happened.
What
happened
to
him
inside
High
Desert
prison
was
horrific.
Horrific
our
ability
to
get
help
had
been
almost
as
bad
as
the
situation.
P
P
P
P
They
represent
ndoc
to
Inspector,
General,
they're,
impartial
they're,
the
investigators
also
for
ngoc
wardens.
They
don't
answer
it's
horrible,
and
this
is
the
way
it's
designed
to
work.
We
need
to
oversight,
we
need
a
neutral
party.
We
need
to
be
impartial
and
advise
a
path
to
the
resolution,
Beyond
waiting
years
for
lawsuits
to
happen.
This
is
why
I
support
a
b
452.
Q
I
have
been
formally
incarcerated
at
Florence
McClure
women's
correctional
facility
and
I
have
also
been
staffed
with
return
strong
I'm
here
today,
to
give
you
a
little
personal
insight
as
to
why
this
bill
is
important,
I'd
like
to
say
that
there
is,
and
continues
to
be,
a
large
number
of
offenders
whose
frustration
and
anxiety
stay
on
the
rise
because
of
the
lack
of
resources
available
in
seeking
relief
and
resolutions
to
complaints
about
conditions
of
confinement
and
other
violations.
Q
Since
working
with
return,
strong
I
have
read
countless
letters
from
the
incarcerated
of
pure
desperation
and
despair.
These
complaints
range
from
the
lack
of
food,
outrageous
pricing
and
store
items,
visitation,
abuse
and
assaults.
Most
of
these
complaints
have
been
exhausted
using
the
grievance
process
and
remain
unresolved
with
the
initial
complaint
still
being
problematic
and
Progressive.
Q
Now
there
is
a
chain
of
command
that
must
be
followed
when
seeking
relief
from
resolution,
or
even
sometimes
it's
just
a
a
question
of
explanation
that
we're
looking
for
the
chain
of
command
would
depend
on
the
nature
of
question
or
complaint
and
most
can
be
resolved
on
the
lower
level
through
the
caseworker,
but
they
aren't.
Instead,
there
is
no
response
or
unprofessional
comments
like
that's,
not
in
my
pay
grade
or
job
description,
and
this
is
what
fuels
the
fire
and
results
in
costly,
litigations,
mental
breakdown,
suicides,
hostility,
aggression
and
even
hunger
strikes.
Q
Q
Q
It
got
so
bad
that
I
would
refuse
to
come
out
of
my
room
while
he
was
working
in
fear
of
what
next
I
reached
out
to
mental
health.
Who
told
me
there
was
nothing
that
could
be
done,
because
there
was
no
suicidal
or
homicidal
thoughts.
It
shouldn't
have
to
take
a
person
to
be
thinking,
suicidal
or
homicidal
when
reporting
an
officer's
Behavior
and
the
effects
that
it's
having
on
them.
Me
I
also
expressed
the
triggering
of
past
trauma,
and
there
was
nothing
that
could
be
done.
Q
Q
Eventually,
my
family
called
shift
command
with
concern.
I
was
called
to
shift
command
and
questioned
about
the
problem
and
told
them
I
didn't
feel
safe.
They
continued
to
defend
him.
The
harassment
went
on
for
about
three
months
and
I
was,
if
transferred
to
count
outside
of
the
facility
having
complaints
and
concerns
circulated
internally
is
not
working.
Having
an
ombudsman
is
greatly
needed.
I
feel
that,
with
an
ombudsman,
there
will
be
actual
and
factual
resolutions
to
the
complaints
and
concerns
that
go
unnoticed.
Q
R
Yes,
I
am
John
Luke
I
am
a
formerly
incarcerated
prisoner
from
High
Desert
State
Prison
I
am
talking
in
support
of
this
Ombudsman
and
outside
objective.
Witness
with
the
golden
key
Authority,
also
known
as
a
budsman,
would
be
a
wise
expense.
Someone
who
physically
can
go
in
and
observe
the
workings
and,
directly
and
passively
through
the
cast
camera
system.
R
This
person
would
be
able
to
observe
up
to
two
weeks
into
the
past.
Through
his
method,
this
outside
person
would
be
able
to
see
the
living
conditions
and
question.
Why
are
things
the
way
they
are,
for
example,
when
on
the
weekends,
when
it
is
apparently
not
enough
staff
to
for
normal
operations,
nobody
is
allowed
out
of
their
cells,
but
there's
enough
staff
to
allow
24
inmates
in
every
unit
out
of
their
cells,
but
just
nobody
else.
R
If
there
is
enough
staff
for
that
number
in
the
morning
and
night,
why
can't
anybody
else
come
out
all
day
long?
The
CEOs
are
paid
to
watch
inmates
correct.
They
are
also.
They
also
could
observe
firsthand
the
cleanliness
of
tears
and
eating
areas
and
showers
and
water
temperature
and
AC.
Nobody
bothers
to
check
these
things,
also,
medical
facilities,
the
cleanliness
in
that
area
is
abysmal,
as
well
as
the
operations
of
the
extra
secure
yards
that
have
been
erected
and
shrank
the
normal
size
of
the
Yards,
but
are
never
used
anymore.
R
The
camera
system,
without
no
real
interact,
or
they
can
also
use
the
camera
system
to
passively
observe
anybody,
would
lead
to
a
lot
of
accountability
and
how
the
interactions
are
taking
place
and
whether
or
not
with
all
of
inmates
or
just
certain
special
inmates,
at
the
expense
of
all
others.
To
have
someone
to
see
the
internal
logs
and
emails
and
actually
see
if
the
orders
and
directives
are
followed
in
conducted
could
yield
some
clarity
about.
R
What's
going
on
behind
closed
doors
and
Arden
budsman
could
then
report
directly
to
outside
agencies
about
what
exactly
was
found
through
their
observations.
This
would
allow
a
lot
of
accountability
to
staff
members
of
the
facility
of
how
professional
they
are
performing
their
duties.
Are
they
being
fair,
firm
and
equal
to
all
inmates,
or
just
some?
R
Why
has
the
grievance
process
been
as
laid
out
and
the
AR
has
become
so
complex?
Even
the
most
Savvy
inmate
has
hard
time,
navigating
such
basic
issues
and
bringing
up
just
simple
problems
question
why
this
is
and
observe
how
up-to-date
these
regulations
are
and
whether
the
equipment
works
and
is
being
used
correctly
in
the
long
Library
last
time
I
was
up
there.
The
regulations
were
so
far
out
of
date,
they're
not
even
relevant
anymore
and
there's
nothing
even
being
followed.
R
That's
on
paper
investigating
broad
claims
of
misconduct
and
abandonment
of
Duties
by
said,
Ombudsman
may
be
exposed
internal
Communications
and
cover-ups
or
lack
of
any
Communications.
R
Every
ounce
of
Food
Matters
that
goes
on
those
trades
are
necessary,
making
sure
that
all
inmates
involved
are
dressed
for
food
service
or
are
dressed
for
food
service
and
dishing
appropriate
portions.
They
also
would
be
able
to
verify
the
amounts
of
food
being
sent
from
the
kitchen.
They
would
also
be
able
to
verify
the
Staffing
and
where
they
are
posted.
Far
too
often
the
guards
are
posted
in
places
out
of
the
way.
So
they
don't
have
to
do
anything.
R
For
example,
when
visiting
is
not
run,
there
are
up
to
four
guards
just
hanging
out
up
there
all
day,
long
or
during
lockdowns.
During
the
week
one
can
see
guards
just
standing
in
medical
law,
library
and
Chapel.
Just
standing
and
Ombudsman
would
have
the
ability
to
randomly
interview
inmates
about
problems
within
the
facility
and
yield
valuable
insights
problems
with
staff
that
go
unnoticed
or
completely
unchecked.
R
Night
shift
supervisors
that
don't
or
won't
do
their
rounds
as
well
as
retaliatory
events
that
cos
do
do
indirectly
seek
revenge
on
inmates
using
other
inmates
as
leverage
as
the
price
of
their
privilege,
extorting
and
them
to
get
info
or
contraband
observation
needs
to
be
assessed
about
whom
gets
appointed
to
these
inmates
advisory
con
committees.
More
often
not
all
Porters
who
get
all
the
perennial
fits,
no
matter.
What
are
the
ones
that
get
appointed
to
these
positions,
so
it
doesn't
matter
to
them
if
they're
given
or
denied
any
privileges
because
they
get
them
anyway.
R
S
S-O-N-Y-A-W-I-L-L-I-Ams
many
of
you
have
heard
me
testify
about
pieces
of
my
family's
story.
My
daughter's
father
was
diagnosed
with
multiple
cancers
while
he
was
incarcerated
at
High,
Desert
State
Prison
I
want
to
share
some
piece
of
the
story
that
you
might
not
know
and
I
wish.
At
the
time
we
had
some
type
of
protection,
because
when
it
was
us
versus
the
machine
of
ndoc,
we
never
won
over
the
past
two
years.
I
have
given
public
comments
on
multiple
issues,
both
from
my
own
experience
from
within
Doc
and
as
a
core
volunteer.
S
With
return,
strong
I
help
read
and
process
letters
we
receive,
which
could
have
been
addressed,
maybe
even
resolved.
If
we
had
a
neutral
party
to
review
and
make
recommendations
for
resolution,
most
issues
cannot
be
told
in
two
minutes
or
less
ab-452
could
have
helped
me
resolve
the
situation
that
occurred
in
the
summer
of
2021.
When
I
took
my
then
six-year-old
daughter,
Jace
Lynn,
to
visit
her
terminally
ill
father.
At
the
time
the
visiting
rule
stated
that
if
the
children
were,
if
children
were
uncontrollable,
a
visit
could
be
canceled.
S
We
had
a
special
visit
with
Eric,
who
was
wheelchair
bound
because
he
was
so
weak
and
then
Shackled
at
hands
and
feet
to
the
wheelchair.
Jason
had
not
seen
her
father
in
two
years
due
to
covid.
Anyone
who
knows
Jason
will
tell
you
that
she's,
the
most
loving,
affectionate,
sweet
nature
child
in
the
world
as
I
was
signing
us
in.
She
went
and
hugged
her
dad
and
was
immediately
physically
pulled
off
of
him
and
they
ended
our
visit
at
the
time.
Jason
was
like
35
pounds.
S
S
That
is
the
last
memory.
Jason
has
have
seen
her
father.
If
there
was
a
neutral
third
party,
we
could
have
filed
a
complaint
and
there
is
a
possibility
that
Jace
would
have
seen
her
father
again.
There
would
have
been
an
opportunity
for
resolution,
but
right
now,
ndoc
holds
all
the
power
right
or
wrong
whether
we
get
the
truth
or
a
fabrication
of
the
story.
They
own.
The
narrative.
S
We
understand
that
this
won't
fix
everything,
but
it
will
create
a
process
that
provides
at
least
enough
protection
that
families
and
children
are
no
not
victims
with
no
recourse
wow.
What
happened
to
us?
It
was
horrible.
What
was
worse
was
never
having
a
voice.
I
am
supportive.
I
am
in
support
of
ab
452
with
the
Amendments.
We
desperately
need.
This
I
never
want
another
child
to
deal
with
the
trauma
that
Jason
has
had
to
endure
at
the
hands
of
ndoc.
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Chris
Covello
k-o-v-e-l-l-o
I
am
here
regarding
AB
452
and
the
Amendments.
My
son
was
previously
incarcerated
at
ndoc.
He
is
home
now
and
doing
very
well.
Thankfully,
although
I
have
no
idea
what
happens
to
people
without
a
family
to
help
them,
but
that's
a
story
for
another
day,
but
I've
done
a
lot
of
help
for
my
son
today,
I'm
here
in
support
of
ab-452
and
the
Amendments
I'm
going
to
share
two
things:
both
are
about
food
or
lack
of
food.
That
I
really
believe
an
ombudsman
could
really
help
in
this
situation.
T
When
my
son
was
in
prison,
he
went
to
work
one
of
the
ndfr
camps.
You
have
to
understand
that
the
camps
are
far
from
everything
and
he
was
a
peach.
While
he
was
there,
he
was
training
and
working
for
ndf.
While
they
are
there
they're
supposed
to
get
additional
calories
due
to
their
nutritional
needs.
I.
Remember
him
calling
one
night
and
US
speaking
on
the
phone
and
I
asked
him
as
I
did
almost
every
time.
T
So
then,
a
few
days
later
there
was
an
incident
at
the
camp
where
people
got
write-ups
and
they
were
accused
of
stealing
food
because
they
went
and
they
got
seconds
but
apparently
no
matter
what
if
food
is
left
over
it's
thrown
out,
rather
than
give
hungry
people
food
that
it's
been
paid
for
and
it's
sitting
there
I
I
was
infuriated.
When
I
found
a
thought,
then
I
found
out
that
it
isn't
just
at
Camp.
The
same
thing
happens
everywhere.
Every
facility
and
I'm
also
an
advocate
with
return
strong.
T
We
have
letters
from
individuals
about
food
being
thrown
away
and
people
being
hungry,
so
I
was
very
desperate.
I
was
desperate
to
find
out.
What
could
we
do
about
it?
So
I
needed
somebody
to
listen
to
me
to
help
us.
I
went
to
ndf
and
I
spoke
to
them
to
find
out
what's
going
on
and
then
because
I'm,
a
seasoned
ticket
holder
with
the
Las
Vegas,
Aces
and
I
knew
that
governor
sisilak
was
was
at
many
of
the
games.
T
I
went
with
signs
and
letters
from
different
people
who
had
family
that
was
incarcerated
at
ndoc
and
I
would
try
to
get
close
to
him
and
he
had
his
Entourage
with
him.
I
almost
got
myself
arrested
at
one
of
those
games.
I
know
it
was
crazy,
but
I
was
desperate
because
no
one
at
ndoc
cared
at
all
so
every
week
with
return
strong,
we
get
letters
talking
about
how
hungry
they
are.
T
T
T
U
Good
afternoon
Tanya,
Brown,
t-o-n-j-a-b-r-o-w
and
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent
we
want
to
Echo
the
previous
comments
made.
We
do
support
this
bill,
the
the
bill,
and
we
support
the
amendment
with
the
exception
of
C.
The
office
of
the
ombuds
Ombudsman
may
not
review
any
grievances
relating
to
offenders
underlying
criminal
conviction
and
the
reason
I
say
this
is
because
back
going
back
to
2007
during
the
advisory
Commission
on
the
administration
of
justice,
several
members
Advocates
myself
and
a
few
others
Flo
Jones
Teresa
Werner,
Michelle,
Ravel,
Pat
Hines
and
some
others.
U
We
worked
on
getting
an
oversight,
an
oversight,
independent
oversight
committee
over
ndoc,
ultimately
in
2011,
Senate
Bill
201
passed,
but
that
became
the
Ombudsman
bill
under
the
control
of
the
Attorney
General's
office,
and
it
wasn't
funded
that
happened
in
2011
and
guess
what
else?
There
was
something
else
that
happened
in
2011
that
the
ndoc
hid
from
many
years,
and
that
was
notice.
The
Nevada
offender
tracking
information
system,
when
it
was
installed
in
June
of
2007
it
flipped
and
it
put
false
felony
charges
in
inmates
files.
U
Inmates
are
still
having
false
felony
charges
in
their
files
and
we're
discussing
we're
talking,
murder,
sexual
assault,
burglary
crimes
they
never
committed
or
the
crimes
that
they
have
committed
had
doubled,
unbeknownst
to
the
Pearl
board
into
the
pardon
Sport.
And
so
this
we
have
submitted
our
Amendment
and
we
would
like
to
substitute
our
Amendment
for
section
c
have
that
removed
and
ours
placed
in
which
would
show.
U
The
ombudsman's
position
will
include
looking
at
the
offender's
offenders,
Nevada
offender
tracking
system
notice
filed
to
review
any
discrepancies
in
which
the
offender
claims
are
inaccurate
and
that
no
disciplinary
action
should
exist.
The
effect
the
Ombudsman
will
review
the
file
and
determine
if
the
disciplinary
action
had
been
properly
grieved
and
then
litigated
in
court.
The
and
the
offender
had
won
the
litigation
and
the
disciplinary
action
must
be
removed.
The
Ombudsman
must
inform
the
Nevada
Board
of
parole,
Commissioners
and
the
offender
of
the
removal
of
the
disciplinary
action
from
the
offender's
notice
file.
U
The
Ombudsman
must
inform
the
Nevada
Board
of
Pardons,
commissioner
and
the
offender,
the
removal
of
the
disciplinary
action
from
the
offender's
notice
file.
The
ombudsman's
position
will
include
investigating
any
allegation
of
an
offender
for
has
false
felony
charges
contained
within
their
Nevada
offender
tracking
system
notice.
That
file
that
may
have
been
a
result
of
a
2007
computer
glitch.
The
ombudsman's
position
is
to
review
the
notice
file
when
the
offender
claims
that
the
file
contains
inaccurate
information
that
pertains
to
his
or
her
sentencing
structure,
in
which
it
appears
another
felony
crime
had
been
added.
U
The
Ombudsman
must
review
The
District
Court
filed
to
confirm
that
if
this
allegation
of
a
crime
actually
occurred,
if
it
has
not,
the
notice
file
must
reflect
the
removal
of
the
false
felony
charge.
The
Ombudsman
must
also
review
the
district
court
file
and
compare
the
new
allegation
of
a
felony
crime
to
a
past
conviction
in
which
the
offender
had
been
incarcerated,
for
either
or
and
either
expired,
his
or
her
sentence
or
was
paroled.
U
If
the
Ombudsman
finds
that
a
newly
new
felony
charged
in
the
notice
file
is
not
a
new
crime,
but
an
old
prior
conviction
must
be
removed
from
the
notice
file.
The
Ombudsman
must
notify
the
Nevada
Board
of
parole,
Commissioners
and
the
offender
of
the
removal
of
the
false
felony
charge
and
the
notice
file
and
the
Ombudsman
must
notify
the
Nevada
Board
of
Pardons,
commissioner,
and
the
offender
of
the
removal
of
the
false
felony
charges
and
I
will
tell
you
that
something
recently
happened
last
week
based
on
a
false
felony
charge.
U
Going
back
after
this
had
happened.
Some
many
many
years
ago,
I
was
contacted
by
several
inmates,
one
particular
he
was
claiming
that
he
had
a
false
sexual
assault
charge
in
other
things
in
his
file,
and
he
had
heard
about
the
computer,
glitch
and
I
told
him
I
said
well,
you
know
file
your
Grievances
and
dues.
You
may
have
to
take
it
to
court
and
anyways
he.
Ultimately,
he
wound
up
going
to
a
parole,
Hearing
in
2013
and
2016.
U
and
unbeknownst
to
him
all
these
false
charges
were
submitted
to
the
parole
board
and
he
was
denied
he
filed
a
rate
of
mandamus
in
the
eighth
Judicial
District
Court
and
then
last
week
the
Supreme
Court
rendered
a
came
out
with
an
order
on
that
and
I
think
I
may
have
Miss
Anne-Marie
Grant
on
the
phone,
who
will
be
calling
in
and
she'll
touch
on
that.
U
U
Tanya
Brown
for
the
record,
I
am
not
alleging;
they
are
false,
felony
charges,
I
am
stating
a
fact,
and
the
fact
is.
It
was
during
the
2011
death
sworn
deposition
of
the
assistant
director
don
helling.
When
we
had,
we
obtained
the
offender.
U
The
Offender
Information
summer
contained
some
false
charges
in
there
and
it
made
it
appear
as
though
the
inmate
had
he
had
been
in
for
many
many
years
and
that
he
had
got
a
new
charge
because
it
was
a
2007
charge
on
it,
and
so
we
asked
the
director
about
that
charge
and
what
he
stated
and
I
did.
Let
director
zorinda
read
the
deposition
on
that
part
a
few
moments
ago.
What
he
stated
was
that
when
notice
was
installed,
it
flipped
and
somehow
it
caused
errors
that
put
false
charges
in
their
files.
U
That's
how
we
found
out
about
it,
and
this
was
in
2011,
and
this
happened
in
2007..
Now,
people
and
I
know
that
the
in
the
inmate
that
I
am
referring
to,
where
that
there
was
a
false
burglary
charge
in
that
file.
That
information
was
then
submitted
to
the
parole
board
and
he
had
been
denied
that
false
information
was
also
submitted
to
the
pardons
board
and
then
again
the
story
started
to
break
and
then
other
inmates
who
were
in
prison
and
had
sexual
assault
charges
in
their
files
and
they
weren't
in
prison
for
sexual
assault.
U
The
one
I
just
recently
spoke
about
came
out
last
week.
He
like
I,
said
he
contacted
me
many
years
ago
and
he
had
additional
sexual
assault
charges
in
his
files.
It
was
a
huge,
huge
thing
back
in
the
day
and
assemblyman
Al
Kramer
has
come
to
me
during
his
last
term
because
he
was
getting
information
from
inmates
out
of
Ely
about
false
charges,
and
he
had
no
idea
about
this
computer
glitch.
U
He
knew
that
I
did,
but
there's
it's
still
happening
and
again
the
Supreme
Court
just
kind
of
rendered
his
decision
last
year,
I
mean
last
week.
I
think
it
was
the
11th
of
May
and
it
dealt
with
the
2016
parole
Hearing,
in
which
there
was
some
false
information
in
there
and
they
really
there's
not
much.
They
can
do
the
Supreme
Court
because
they
can't.
You
know
you
can't
go
back
and
get
a
get
the
parole
hearing.
He
lost
all
those
years
he
could
have
been.
He
was
a
low
risk.
U
They
made
him
a
high
risk,
he
could
have
gotten
out,
and
this
is
what
could
be
happening
and
what
else
is
happening
that
that
has
come
up
with
this
information
from
other
inmates.
That
I
am
aware
of
is
that
the
inmates,
the
ndoc
staff,
will
remove
that
false
felony
charge?
Okay
and
then
what
happens
is
it'll,
go
to
the
parole
board
and
sometimes
it'll
be
removed,
go
and
then
it'll
reappear
and
it'll
go
to
the
parole
board
after
the
casework
had
already
removed
it.
U
These
were
some
of
the
issues,
so
this
is
why
the
way
I
have
this.
It
puts
the
parole
board
and
the
pardons
board
on
notice
that
there
is
an
issue
they
and
I
will
tell
you.
There
was
hearings
held
on
this
back
in
2011.,
ndoc
staff
were
fired
and
they
said
that
they
did
not
know
how
to
fix
it.
Well,
as
far
as
I
know,
it
still
exists
because
they
have
not
been
able
to
fix.
It.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
A
U
You
gave
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Can
I
say
that
it
is
a
public
record.
The
assembly
I
believe
the
aca-j.
Has
it
the
Nevada
Board
of
prison.
Commissioners
has
it,
but
yes
and
I
will
provide
you
with
Don
Helen's
deposition
that
I'd
shown,
and
it
clearly
shows
that.
V
I
am
here
to
talk
about
Spanish-speaking
only
people
and
their
inability
to
access
anything
in
their
own
language,
visitation
policy,
dress,
code
and
dress
code
requests
are
all
in
English.
The
signs
on
the
doors
are
in
English,
the
kites
to
request,
Medical
Care
are
in
English
and
there
is
nowhere
to
go
to
get
help.
Visitation
applications
are
in
English
only
if
there
is
an
ombudsman,
those
issues,
they
could
review
that
across
the
state
and
see
how
badly
people
are
impacted
and
there
is
nowhere
to
go.
V
W
Thank
you
chair
and
committee
members.
My
name
is
Nick
shepak
s-h-e-p-a-c-k
I
am
the
state
deputy
director
of
the
fines
and
fees
Justice
Center.
We
are
here
in
support
of
this
this
piece
of
legislation
today,
for
far
too
long
in
the
state
of
Nevada,
we
have
either
fixed
problems
in
the
Park
Nevada
Department
of
Corrections
through
litigation
or
every
other
year
coming
to
this
body
and
bringing
you
a
Litany
of
bills
to
try
to
address
these
these
issues.
We
believe,
as
we've
seen
in
many
other
states,
that
non-budgemen
can
address
many
of
these
issues.
W
W
It
will
directly
impact
the
work
of
our
organization
that
looks
at
some
of
these
Financial
issues,
as
those
issues
can
be
driven
directly
to
the
Ombudsman,
as
well
as
many
of
the
other
issues
that
we've
brought
before
you
this
session
and
in
previous
sessions.
For
those
reasons
we
are
in
strong
support
of
this
bill
and,
lastly,
I'll
say
we
need
to
be
a
yes
and
State.
W
Are
we
paying
our
public
employees
enough
in
our
correctional
officers?
Clearly
not.
We
have
a
staffing
problem,
but
just
because
we
have
one
issue
doesn't
mean
we
need
to
maintain
the
other
issues.
We
should
Implement
best
practices
and
we
should
also
ensure
that
we
are
providing
the
best
pay
and
resources
in
order
to
Sapphire
prisons,
so
that
we
can
also
eliminate
issues
on
that
area.
We
are
here
in
support
of
all
of
those
things.
Thank
you.
X
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Nicole
Williams
w-I-l-l-I-a-m-s
I
have
a
loved
one.
Who's
in
prison
and
I
am
also
the
male
coordinator
for
return.
Strong
I
see
touch
screen
every
single
letter
we
received
first
I
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
because
it
is
so
urgent
for
all
of
us
who
are
impacted
by
incarceration
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
the
protections
ab452
will
provide
for
visitation.
My
husband
has
incarcerated
down
south
and
I
live
in
Northern
Nevada
with
our
three-year-old.
X
You
know
what
I
want
you
to
know.
Is
she
loves
her
daddy,
no
matter
where
he
is,
she
loves
him
and
she
needs
him.
The
time
we
spend
in
the
visiting
room
lets
her
bond
with
him.
Lets
him
learn
and
remember
how
to
interact
with
her.
They
create
memories
that
are
the
foundation
for
the
relationship.
Now
in
20
years
from
now.
Unfortunately,
we
aren't
able
to
make
that
trip
often,
but
we
do
make
it.
X
I've
always
wished
that
we
had
video
visits,
and
hopefully
those
will
come
with
tablets,
but
I
would
hate
to
see
any
family
lose.
The
ability
to
look
in
their
loved
one's
eyes
touch
hug,
hear,
laugh
and
just
be
in
each
other's
presence,
because,
just
like
you
love
your
families,
we
love
ours,
one
of
the
most
powerful
things
this
bill
does
is
protect
our
ability
to
have
in-person
visitation,
even
as
tablets
and
video
visits
and
Technology
become
a
method
to
add
to
our
interaction
with
our
loved
ones.
X
It
should
never
replace
the
ability
to
be
in
each
other's
presence.
My
husband
will
be
home
soon
and
I
pray
that
he
will
stay
home,
and
we
won't
be
in
this
situation
again,
but
I'm
here
today
to
make
sure
that
all
families
in
Nevada
always
have
the
legally
protected
ability
to
sit
with
their
loved
ones.
Like
my
daughter
and
I
do
now,
I
am
support.
I
am
in
support
of
ab
452
with
the
amendment.
Thank
you.
A
K
Y
Y
We
believe
when
we
talk
when
we
consider
family
preservation
and
connections,
it's
important
that
you
have
that
time
and
families
have
that
time
to
spend
with
their
loved
ones
that
are
behind
bars,
rather
that
be
via
a
tablet
or
in
person
it
protects
those,
and
so
we
definitely
send
a
supportive
family
preservation
and
family
connections.
Thank
you.
Z
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Amber
Falco,
a-m-b-e-r-f-a-l-g-o-u-t
and
I
am
the
Northern
Nevada
manager
with
battleborn
progress.
We
are
in
strong
support
of
assembly,
Bill
452
as
written,
but
really
we
want
to
highlight
the
addition
of
state
of
estate
Corrections
Ombudsman,
to
provide
oversight.
Having
oversight
from
someone
outside
the
department
to
investigate
grievances
complain
for
any
other
issue
is
desperately
needed
session
after
session.
Z
We
hear
about
what
incarcerated
folks
and
their
families
deal
with,
and
a
system
that
is
not
set
up
to
deal
with
those
issues
adding
an
outside
source
that
will
help
advocate
for
inmates
and
their
concerns
as
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
This
Ombudsman
would
bring
much
needed
relief
and
transparency.
Please
support
assembly,
Bill
452,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
E
B-E-T-T-Y-G-U-E-S-S
and
I
have
a
loved
one
incarcerated
at
ndoc
I'm
here
in
support
of
ab-452.
Today,
I
would
just
reiterate
everything
that
everyone
else
has
already
said
regarding
especially
the
grievance
process
and
the
need
for
an
ombudsman
to
oversee
that.
My
loved
one
has
experienced
all
of
the
things
that
you've
already
heard
regarding
food
and
lack
of
quality
and
lack
of
quantity
is
experienced
problems
with
the
grievance
process
regarding
Medical
Care,
and
so
many
other
things
that
you
have
already
heard
about
today.
E
Also
on
visitation,
I,
don't
live
in
Nevada
anymore,
I'm,
17
1800
miles
away
in
Indiana.
My
son
has
been
there
for
13
years
now
and
has
had
one
visit,
which
was
from
me
last
month,
and
that
was
only
due
to
the
benevolence
and
kindness
of
return.
Strong
members,
I
am
a
core
volunteer
with
return
strong
in
the
chaplain
for
that
organization
and
I
strongly
support
ab452
and
I.
Thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
today
and
I
urge
you
to
pass
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
AA
Anne-Marie
Grant
advocate
for
the
inmates
in
the
Anderson
a-n-n-e-m-a-r-I-e.
We
are
in
support
of
the
bill
and
we
support
returns
Amendment.
However,
we
would
like
the
Abundant
section
to
include
our
conceptual
Amendment,
because
inmates
are
still
be
being
affected
by
the
computer
Butch
that
Miss
Brown
spoke
of
and
I'd
just
like
to
Echo
her
other
statements
and
reference
Nevada
Supreme
Court
case
number
84892,
where
it
actually
mentions
the
computer
glitch
and
the
false
felony
charges.
Thank
you.
E
A
AB
Hello
legislative
team,
my
name
is
Leslie
Quinn
and
I'm,
calling
in
neutral
on
ab452
I
believe
having
the
Ombudsman
connection
would
definitely
help
in
the
processing
of
the
inmates
issues
and
or
incorrect
inmate
charges.
In
fact,
my
husband
who
works
for
ndoc
is
willing
to
be
a
liaison
between
ndoc
and
the
office.
If
ndoc
will
approve
him.
However,
I
am
in
opposition
to
the
recommended.
AB
Visitation
is
written
specifically
in
regards
to
a
72-hour
notice
being
given
to
cancellation
of
visits
if
the
facility
has
to
shut
down
in
an
emergency
also
in
regards
to
Hospital
visitation,
as
this
will
create
a
safety
and
security
breach
for
not
only
the
correctional
officers
but
other
inmates,
visitors
and
the
public
in
general.
So
again,
my
name
is
Elsie
Quinn
I'm
in
neutral
on
AB
452.
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
testimony.
A
A
Alright,
then
I
will
close
the
here
on
ab-452.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
an
engaging
day
with
lots
of
testimony
and
for
answering
all
of
our
questions.
We
have
one
item
left
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment.
Anybody
wishing
to
give
public
comment
in
person
is
invited
up
to
the
front
now,
but
I
don't
see
anybody
so
we'll
go
to
the
phones
for
public
comment.
Each
person
will
have
two
minutes
to
give
their
public
comment.
K
AB
Yes,
my
name
is
Leslie
Quinn
and
my
public
comment
is
I.
I
am
so
grateful
that
you
have
so
many
people
that
are
want
to
support
people
just
in
general
and
their
freedom
and
I'm.
Just
my
hope
is
that
the
same
concern
would
be
given
to
staff
that
work
for
any
of
public,
whether
it's
police
officers,
correctional
officers,
hospitals,
nurses,
please
also
consider
them
and
just
having
that
respect
for
them
as
well
and
I
think
the
legislators
that
they
are
doing
that.
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
it.
A
All
right-
and
that
brings
us
to
the
conclusion
of
our
meeting-
we
are
meeting
again
tomorrow-
we're
still
working
on
the
schedule
to
see
if
we
might
be
able
to
get
started
a
little
bit
earlier
around
noon
or
12
30.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
so
stay
tuned,
but
we
will
be
meeting
tomorrow
either
way
for
both
Bill
hearings
and
work
session.
And
until
then
we
are
adjourned.