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A
Hey
everyone,
I
think
it
is
104..
We
definitely
have
a
quorum.
So
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
and,
madam
secretary,
will
you
please
call
the
rule.
C
D
E
This
is
director
daniels,
d.o.c.
A
Madam
secretary,
did
you
call
director
daniels?
I
can't
remember.
A
Okay,
wonderful!
Well,
that
is
a
quorum,
so
I'm
going
to
get
this
meeting
started.
I'm
going
to
start
with
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
public
comment.
I'm
going
to
remind
all
of
this
all
the
public
testimony
presented
under
this
by
phone
or
written
comment
again,
I
would
encourage
anyone
that
is
on
the
line
waiting
to
be
heard
that
you
can
always
submit
your
comments
in
writing
and
please
don't
feel
compelled
to
read
out
your
entire
statement
if
you
can
just
submit
it
in
writing.
A
I
know
that
all
of
the
members
of
this
commission
will
read
those
items,
but
because
of
time
considerations
we
are
going
to
I'm
going
to
limit
everyone
to
again
to
two
minutes.
Person
may
also
have
comments
again
submitted
in
writing
and
those
that
information
is
listed
on
the
website
and
I
will
ask
broadcast
to
unmute
the
first
caller
on
the
line.
E
E
F
F
My
loved
one
has
been
incarcerated
for
17
years.
Prison
is
not
new
to
him
when
he
finally
was
able
to
call
me
yesterday
after
being
quarantined
for
five
days.
His
words
gave
me
chills
they
terrified
me.
He
told
me
he's
been
down
for
17
years
and
he's
never
been
afraid.
But
right
now
he's
scared.
I've
heard
him
describe
prison
millions
of
times
this
time
he
described
a
movie
scene.
F
Staff
walking
around
in
full
hazmat
suits
people
afraid
to
eat
anything
from
the
kitchen,
because
this
outbreak
started
with
culinary
stuff
and
everyone
is
afraid
of
who
may
or
may
not
have
touched
their
food.
I
thought
the
separation
due
to
incarceration
was
the
worst.
It
could
be
missing.
My
best
friend
and
my
partner,
the
separation
has
been
difficult
and
then
covet
hit
and
we
lost
visitation.
F
I
thought
that
was
as
bad
as
it
could
get
the
ndoc
kept
saying
that
they
had
it
under
control
and
the
numbers
were
relatively
low.
I
think
for
a
little
while
we
were
deceived
into
thinking.
Maybe
they
did
have
another
control
we
were
focused
on
when
visiting,
would
reopen
and
now
we're
looking
at.
Will
he
make
it
out
of
mind
visiting
wasn't
the
end
of
the
separation,
because
the
quarantine
now
makes
that
even
more
now
phone
calls
are
almost
non-existent.
F
We
sit
waiting
for
the
founder
ring,
wondering
if
he's
okay
is
he
sick?
Has
he
been
exposed?
Is
that
our
last
call
the
field
for
everyone
hangs
in
the
air?
My
husband
has
had
serious
medical
issues
and
ndoc
has
known
nothing
to
help
him.
That
was
during
the
best
of
circumstances,
circumstances
at
mdoc.
Do
you
ever
think
about
what
could
happen
under
the
worst
circumstances,
because
that's
where
we
are
now
and
dsc
has
been
silent,
we
need
answers
on
to
how
this
happened
real
ones
and
we
need
them
now.
Please
help
us.
E
D
Okay,
hello,
my
name
is
kell
b
peeler
k-e-l-b-y
last
name
p-e-e-l-e-r
and
I
am
reading
a
letter
from
yanet
whose
partner
is
incarcerated
at
lovelock,
correctional
center
and
so
I'll.
Do
that
quote
hello?
My
name
is
yanet
and
my
partner
is
currently
incarcerated
at
lovelock
correctional
center.
I'm
a
member
of
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
for
the
incarcerated.
D
I
am
terrified
with
what
is
going
on
in
the
nevada
department
of
corrections.
I'm
scared
for
my
loved
one
who
I
have
not
seen
in
over
four
years.
He
was
sentenced
and
sent
to
an
adult
prison
as
a
16
to
17
year
old
and
is
supposed
to
come
home
next
year
and
in
less
than
six
months
to
now,
we
mysteriously
go
from
zero
to
105
positive
cases
overnight.
D
Here's
my
question
last
spring.
When
kovitz
started
to
break
there,
was
a
sentencing
commission
meeting
the
director
was
asked
to
provide
a
list
of
people
who'd
qualify
for
early
release.
He
always
states
that
he
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
make
that
decision,
but
he
does
have
the
authority
to
make
the
list
and
provide
it
to
the
people
who
can
make
the
decision.
D
What
happened?
I
heard
something
about
him
running
a
list
and
there
being
zero
people
that
would
qualify
for
early
release.
But
what
about
a
juvenile
offender
who
has
10
months
to
expiration
and
5
months
to
his
board?
Rapid
or
early
release,
has
worked
to
reduce
overall
prison
population,
but
nevada
somehow
doesn't
have
enough
like
or
doesn't
even
have
one
person
eligible
for
that
and
again,
as
we
keep
saying
who
watches
the
police,
because
something
just
doesn't
make
sense,
we
need
to
keep
everybody
accountable.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
E
G
Jenna
j
e
n
n
a
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
jenna
and
my
husband
is
incarcerated
at
high
desert
state
prison.
I'm
a
member
of
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
for
the
incarcerated-
and
I
am
here
today
to
share
our
story
in
fear
of
the
situation
that
my
husband
is
in
and
the
things
he
has
been
exposed
to
due
to
the
negligence
on
the
part
of
nevada
department
of
corrections
during
this
pandemic.
G
Just
as
the
others
you
have
and
will
hear
from,
the
pandemic
has
made
dealing
with
difficult
situations
unbearable.
We
all
share
the
fear
and
anger
and
frustration
that
has
become
the
reality
since
covet
hit
high
desert
state
prison
has
been
on
rolling
lockdowns
for
months,
extended
lockdowns
and
while
some
of
it
comes
with
the
territory
of
being
incarcerated
in
a
maximum
security
prison,
a
lot
of
it
just
didn't
make
sense.
G
He
was
telling
people
they
were
covered,
lockdowns,
but
no
cases
reported
or
rumors,
but
no
verification.
It
was
as
if
they
used
coven
as
an
opportunity
to
inflict
additional
segregation.
Even
when
there
wasn't
a
reason
for
it.
I
mean
why
do
they
need
to
have
24-hour
lockdowns
for
two
today,
two
to
three
days
to
perform
covet
testing
tests
that
somehow
would
never
provide
results
for
the
people
that
were
tested?
There
was
no
information
given
once
they
were
tested.
G
It
finally
just
became
the
assumption
that
if
it
didn't
get,
you
moved
he
must
be
negative,
but
that
is
a
horrible
way
to
live.
Just
wondering
and
reading
for
my
husband
and
our
family.
That
reading
is
even
heavier
because
he
already
has
pre-existing
medical
conditions
with
both
his
heart
and
his
lungs
and
as
a
high
risk
for
a
bad
outcome.
If
he
were
ever
to
contract
kobed.
Yet
nboc
has
been
reckless.
G
The
o
think
it
is
a
joke
and
take
no
precautions
outside
of
their
job
to
ensure
that
they
are
not
getting
exposed
and
passing
the
virus.
Inside
over
halloween
weekend,
there
was
a
baseball
game
in
vegas,
with
two
full
teams
of
correction
officers
playing
each
other.
That
was
exactly
13
days
ago.
Since
then,
how
many
people
have
they
potentially
infected
with
their
reckless
behavior?
He
has
been
exposed
to
coveted
by
staff
multiple
times.
G
E
H
Hello,
my
name
is
nicole
and
I
see
ole
a
member
of
return,
strong,
I'm
calling
today
to
express
my
concern
over
the
covet
crisis
within
ndoc.
We
are
all
aware
of
the
coveted
outbreak
at
warm
springs,
while
my
husband
is
incarcerated
with
the
ndoc
system.
He
is
not
my
only
concern
considering
the
rise
in
staff
positivity
in
nevada's,
climbing
rate
of
transmission,
coupled
with
a
closed
system
such
as
the
prison,
the
current
situation
being
portrayed
seems
implausible.
H
In
fact,
I
would
suspect
that
the
issue
at
hand
is
much
larger
than
is
being
said
by
ndoc.
Warm
springs
may
just
be.
The
tip
of
the
iceberg
has
anyone's
present
present,
seeing
the
effects
of
covid
firsthand
I'll
paint
you
a
picture,
I'm
a
prison
wife
and
an
icu
nurse
working
code.
But
I
see
you
since
this
started
in
these
eight
months.
I've
seen
more
death,
and
I
want
to
mention-
and
I
have
seen
even
more-
suffer
fates
worse
than
death.
H
The
scariest
I've
seen
is
how
fast
this
virus
can
kill
previously,
seemingly
healthy
individuals
of
all
ages,
even
20
years
old,
requiring
some
level
of
hospital
care,
but
not
in
the
icu.
Until
it
happens,
southern
respiratory
failure,
severe
hypoxia
and
even
while
in
the
hospital
death
some
who
do
not
die
left
with
a
multitude
of
other
life-altering
complications
such
as
strokes,
amputations,
etc.
H
This
has
happened
to
many
with
little
to
no
medical
history
in
a
city
hospital,
imagine
being
behind
bars
with
non-treated
or
under-treated
medical
conditions
that
make
you
at
higher
risk
of
covert
complications
and
death.
Do
you
not
feel
well,
so
you
put
in
a
kite?
Will
they
see
you
soon?
You
don't
know
you
feel
worse,
you've,
but
nothing.
You
ask
again,
but
your
request
goes
unanswered
and
now
you're
having
problems
breathing,
but
you
can't
down
9-1-1.
You
rely
on
others,
but
will
they?
And
if
someone
does
emergency
services
or
not
close,
will
you
be
okay?
H
Would
it
surprise
you
that
some
of
those
at
warm
springs
are
still
waiting
for
their
kites
to
be
answered
or
be
seen
by
medical,
even
after
almost
a
week
of
quarantine?
If
not
longer,
is
it
very
possible
that
the
hypothetical
situation
I've
just
described
could
become
a
reality
for
some
not
just
at
warm
springs
but
anywhere
within
these
institutions?
And
honestly,
it's
not
a
matter
of
if,
but
when
director
daniels
has
failed
to
keeping
our
loved
ones
safe.
Do
not
allow
this
to
continue
to
go
on
any
further
accountability.
Communication
and
transparency
are
needed.
E
I
I
My
last
call
from
my
loved
one
before
quarantine
was
thursday
evening.
The
last
thing
he
said
to
me
was
I'll
call
you
later
tonight
that
call
never
came
friday.
We
woke
up
to
the
news
that
93
inmates
and
seven
ten,
seven
staff
members
tested
positive
for
covid,
the
feeling
of
helplessness,
fear
and
anger
became
overwhelming,
leading
up
to
thursday.
I
Massive
bed
moves
were
being
done
within
the
prison
up
until
the
week
of
october
26th
and
you
guys
were
being
we're
still
being
brought
into
facility
upwards
of
60
guys
in
one
week,
indox
practices
or
catastrophe
waiting
to
happen.
For
months
for
months,
they
have
said
it
was
under
control
and
that
they
were
only
trying
to
protect
them.
Let
me
ask
you:
how
would
you
feel
if
you,
how
would
you
feel
not
knowing
if
your
loved
one
had
coveted
or
not
or
what
their
health
status
was?
I
How
do
you
think
you
at
hand
would
be
able
to
handle
the
stress
of
waiting
for
that
phone
call
to
ring
my
phone
call
finally
came
tuesday
afternoon,
five
days
after
being
quarantined,
he
had
10
minutes
to
shower,
make
food
and
call
home.
He
started
the
phone
call
off
with
I'm
pretty
sure
I
have
it.
I'm
still
waiting
on
my
test
results.
I
He
told
me
he
had
been
sick
for
sick
and
had
the
covis
symptoms
and
had
been
waiting
for
three
days
for
medicals
to
respond
to
his
request
for
simple
ibuprofen,
so
they
are
quarantined,
but
no
one
is
checking
on
them
for
symptoms
or
providing
treatment
or
care
lockdown
thursday
night
they
locked
down
thursday
night,
and
that
was
it.
He
said
he
feels
like
he
was
put
into
his
cell
to
die.
He
he
said
it
is
a
mess
in
there
and
no
one
knows
what's
going
on
and
it's
just
just
a
feeling
of
panic.
I
E
J
J
We
a
bunch
of
us
testified
back.
Then
we
were
asking
for
mitigating
action
to
be
taken
to
prevent
what's
happening
right
now
in
ndoc
and
it
was
voted
and
it
was
passed
that
we
were
supposed
to
give
recommendations
to
the
governor
which
never
happened
and
then
a
follow-up
meeting
we
were
asked,
or
it
was
decided
that
we
were
supposed
to
find
specific
incarcerated
people
that
could
be
eligible
for
release
amid
the
the
pandemic.
J
So
I'm
just
asking
if
this
body-
and
I
realize
this
is
the
ach-
it's
not
the
same
commission,
but
a
lot
of
the
same
people
are
on
this
commission
that
are
on
the
sentencing
commission.
So
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
follow
back
up
with
those
recommendations
and
take
a
look
at
the
population
and
figure
out
what
people
can
get
out
amidst
this
outbreak.
That's
happening
right
now
and
hopefully
save
some
lives
in
the
process.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
E
E
H
Thank
you.
My
name
is
michelle
feldman
and
I
am
with
the
innocence
project
at
f-e-l-d-m-a-n.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify.
H
H
It
was
taken
up
by
the
innocence
working
group
and
the
nevada
district
attorney's
association
in
response
passed
a
requirement
for
all
16
offices
to
adopt
policies
on
the
use
of
jailhouse
informants,
but
we
still
don't
know
which
agencies
have
adopted
policies
and
what
they
contain.
So
we're
looking
for
legislation
that
would
establish
a
consistent
statewide
practice
about
the
tracking
of
jailhouse
informants
and
requiring
disclosure
of
specific
evidence
on
these
witnesses.
H
Connecticut,
maryland
and
oklahoma
have
all
established.
Statewide
tracking
systems
for
prosecutors
and
a
number
of
states,
including
connecticut
florida
illinois,
maryland
nebraska,
oklahoma
and
texas,
have
laws
that
specify
exactly
which
types
of
evidence,
such
as
the
deals
and
criminal
histories
of
jailhouse
informants,
must
be
disclosed
to
the
defense,
and
the
second
issue
that
is
critical
to
preventing
wrongful
convictions
is
transparency
around
police
disciplinary
records.
H
E
J
J
I've
provided
this
commission
with
the
recent
stories
of
the
outbreak
of
covet
19
at
the
warm
springs
correctional
center
93
inmates
have
tested
positive
and
it
is
unknown
how
many
were
appealing
their
conviction
or
how
many
other
inmates
within
the
ndlc
will
get
it.
During
the
june
11th
meeting
chairwind
had
mentioned
about
diving
into
some
of
the
issues
brought
to
the
commission.
I've
provided
this
commission
or
recommendation
of
factual
innocence
posthumously.
J
I've
provided
this
commission
with
information
from
mr
ray
krohn,
who
had
been
wrongfully
convicted
and
sentenced
to
death
only
to
be
exonerated
years
later.
Mr
crone
has
asked
you
to
allow
the
families
of
those
who
have
passed
away
the
opportunity
to
exonerate
their
names
after
death.
I
would
like
to
touch
on
the
story
of
a
woman
I
am
familiar
with.
She
has
always
maintained
her
innocence
for
murder.
She
claims
she
did
not
commit
and
how
the
judicial
system
had
failed
her.
She
states,
when
the
nevada
supreme
court
affirmed
my
conviction.
J
I
had
to
file
a
writ
in
federal
court
of
appeal.
The
attorney
for
the
state
had
to
file
multiple
extensions
with
the
court
due
to
ada
kirk
vittle's
refusal
or
reluctance
to
hand
over
my
case
documents
to
the
nevada
attorney
general's
office.
Meanwhile,
the
person
who
was
doing
my
paperwork
was
no
longer
available
to
help
me.
I
informed
the
court,
and
this
is
and
asked
him
to
the
court
to
appoint
me
counsel.
J
The
court
denied
me
stating
that
my
writ
was
so
well
done
that
I
did
not
need
counsel
when
finally,
the
state
answered
my
appeal
writ,
I
no
longer
had
my
paperwork
because
the
person
had
made
me
mail
out
all
of
my
paperwork
as
it
was
a
fire
hazard
in
my
cell
in
the
prison.
The
paperwork
went
to
my
husband
and
he
passed
away
of
heart
attack.
Ultimately,
the
federal
court
dismissed
my
appeal
with
prejudice
and
allowed
me
to
bring
it
back
to
court.
J
I
didn't
know
how
to
do
it,
so
it
I
I
I
couldn't
do
it.
I
let
it
go
over
the
it's
been
over
25
years,
since
she
was
arrested
for
a
crime,
she
did
not
commit
her.
Children
were
taken
away
from
her,
they
were
put
into
foster
care
and
separated.
They
are
now
adults
and
have
reached
out
to
tv
shows
in
hopes
that
they
will
bring
light
to
their
mother's
case.
J
Her
children
were
present
in
the
home
at
the
time,
the
crime,
and
they
know
that
their
mother
is
innocent
she's
in
her
60s
and
is
not
in
good
health.
She,
too,
wants
to
exonerate
her
name
and
her
children
and
her
grandchildren
know
that
she
is
not
a
murderer.
She
realizes
any
chance
to
exonerate
her
exonerate.
Her
name
will
probably
not
come
while
she
is
alive,
but
she
would
like
to
have
her
children
clear
her
name
even
after
that.
Yes,
thank.
E
E
K
I
am
standing
with
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
for
the
incarcerated
to
shine
a
light
on
what's
been
happening
behind
the
walls
at
ndoc
regarding
their
handling
of
covin.
There
are
laws
that
protect
incarcerated
people
from
unregulated,
solitary
confinement
and
lockdown,
because,
historically
in
this
country,
those
means
of
control
have
inflicted
serious
trauma
on
the
recipients
under
disciplinary
circumstances.
In
solitary
confinement,
a
person
is
required
to
have
one
hour
of
yard
time
for
every
24
hours.
K
When
a
facility
is
locked
down
for
security
reasons,
they
are
allowed
out
an
hour
every
72
hours
and
even
those
circumstances
have
been
proven
to
cause
serious
trauma
and
mental
health
issues
when
there
is
not
a
pandemic.
In
addition
to
the
lockdown,
inconsistent,
lockdowns
and
quarantines
are
affecting
their
mental
health
24
hours
a
day
in
their
cell
at
times
not
coming
out
for
days
no
visits
with
loved
ones
for
eight
months,
and
now
the
lack
of
ability
to
have
phone
calls
could
have
prolonged
repercussions
on
their
mental
health.
K
This
is
equivocal
to
solitary
confinement,
even
at
greater
length
than
those
allowed
for
disciplinary
segregation
under
covid
we're
going
to
implement
the
word
quarantine
for
what's
happening
at
warm
springs
and
during
transfers
and
court
appearances
when
ndoc
attributes
covet
as
a
reason.
They
then
quarantine
individuals
and
allow
them
out
for
10
minutes
to
maximum
15
minutes
per
every
random
period.
Sometimes
it
is
10
minutes
per
day,
but
warm
springs
just
had
people
go
for
five
days
without
being
out
of
their
cell.
The
question
that
we
have
is:
is
this
policy
humane?
K
Is
it
legal
and
is
it
appropriate?
We
say
no
to
all
three
first,
they
could
maintain
social
distancing,
give
ppe
and
allow
more
than
two
people
out
at
the
same
time
and
maintain
the
same
level
of
isolation
that
they
currently
do
depending
on
the
space
they
could
let
eight
to
ten
people
out
for
normal
tier
time.
Every
day
I
don't
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
ndoc
is
not
even
making
sense
with
their
policies
and
because
they
are
not
accountable
to
anyone.
They
are
allowed
to
cry
covet
and
no
one
questions
them
well.
K
E
L
My
name
is
pam
pappas
p-a-m-p-a-p-p-a-s
and
my
son
is
incarcerated
in
the
state
of
nevada,
I'm
here
with
return,
strong
families
regarding
questions
that
we
have
regarding
the
inconsistencies
surrounding
covet
and
the
department's
illogical
policies
that
do
little
to
keep
anyone
safe.
According
to
ndoc's
policies
for
covid,
they
state
that
anyone
entering
a
secured
facility
must
wear
a
mask.
This
is
not
con
consistently
happening,
nor
is
it
enforced.
L
L
L
L
Isn't
it
a
coincidence
that
nine
days
later
warm
springs
has
so
many
cases
of
covid
and
also
seven
staff
cases
which,
incidentally,
as
of
tuesday
november
10th,
the
staff
cases
still
were
not
reflected
on
the
state's
doh
tracker
correction
officers,
regardless
of
their
personal
beliefs,
have
an
obligation
to
follow
safety
protocol
inside
and
outside
the
prisons
staff
in
bed,
moves
from
jail
and
other
facilities
are
the
only
two
means
of
exposure.
L
L
Do
we
need
to
define
the
word
emergency,
and
has
anyone
verified
that
the
bed
moves
made
were
actually
for
a
true
emergency?
Ndoc
has
a
bad
practice
of
hiding
everything
under
the
guidance
of
security.
Under
the
guise
of
security,
we
want
accountability.
Nevada
is
light
years
behind
other
states.
In
the
way
we
treat
our
inmates
and
the
scrutiny
given
to
dos
ndoc.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
M
My
name
is
chrissy,
my
husband
is
incarcerated
at
warm
springs,
correctional
center,
and
here
is
an
impacted
family
with
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
to
help
shine
a
light
on
concerns
that
we
have
with
ndoc
and
their
handling
of
cova
during
the
pandemic,
as
well
as
to
bring
some
light
to
questions
and
concerns,
we
have
our
for
our
loved
ones.
I
understand
that
this
may
not
be
the
biggest
issue
to
all
of
you,
but
for
us
finding
a
way
to
communicate
with
our
loved
one
is
what
helps
us
hold
it
all
together
outside.
M
We
are
already
dealing
with
the
stress
of
life
without
our
husband,
son
or
girlfriend
or
wife.
When
they
go
away,
we
do
not
get
time
with
them.
We
also
do
time
with
them.
It
might
be
hard
to
understand,
but
our
lives
take
on
a
different
rhythm.
When
they
are
gone,
then
the
pandemic
hit
and
outside
we
had
to
learn
to
deal
with
the
new
normal,
which
is
stressful
and
comes
with
its
own
struggles.
M
But
director
daniels
keeps
saying
that
ndoc
has
it
under
control
and
how
nevada
had
such
low
numbers
and
at
warm
springs
for
the
most
part.
We
didn't
see
much
evidence
of
a
threat
until
last
week,
and
now
we
are
once
again
trying
to
adjust,
but
it
is
even
worse
now
communication
through
email.
We
can
email
them
and
they
can
go
to
a
kiosk
and
read
our
emails.
It's
one
of
the
fastest
ways
for
us
to
get
information
to
them.
M
Now,
since
the
outbreak,
they
are
not
allowed
to
touch
the
kiosk,
which
is
also
how
they
access
all
their
financial
information
order,
store
and
handle
information.
Overall
phone
calls
are
gone
during
quarantine;
technically,
they
can
call,
but
when
they
are
quarantined,
ndoc
is
only
letting
them
out
of
their
cell
two
people
at
a
time,
one
cell,
at
a
time
for
10
minutes
every
three
days
when
they
are
out.
That
is
when
they
have
to
use
the
microwave,
prepare
food,
take
a
shower
and
hopefully
get
to
call
home.
M
They
give
us
two
free
30-minute
calls
a
week,
so
people
can
only
use
a
few
minutes
of
them,
so
they
are
wasted.
So
far
they
have
been
told
they
will
not
be
able
to
order
store
during
currency
quarantine.
So
now
they
are
locked
in
their
cell
24
hours
a
day
and
can't
order.
Food
trays
are
delivered
for
breakfast,
it's
a
scoop
of
oatmeal
some
potatoes
and
then
a
sack
lunch
with
a
sandwich
for
lunch
and
a
tray
for
dinner.
My
husband.
A
E
B
B
Sorry
about
that
hello,
my
name
is
jody
hawking.
First.
K
And
foremost,
my
life
partner
and
best
friend
is
incarcerated
at
southern
desert
corrections
center.
I'm
also
the
founder
of
return,
strong
families
united
for
justice,
I'm
here
with
other
family
members,
to
express
our
concern
and
fear
and
outrage
at
how
ndoc
has
been
handling
this
pandemic
with
a
shroud
of
secrecy.
K
K
K
Many
states
have
inmate
councils
on
the
inside
and
family
councils
on
the
outside,
as
well
as
an
ombudsman
to
help
navigate
those
systems.
Yet
director
daniels
will
not
even
entertain
one
conversation
with
us.
Nevada
has
a
director
and
administration
that
has
repeatedly
acted
questionably
and
needs
oversight,
as
we
continue
to
call
for
accountability,
communication
and
transparency
from
ndoc.
We
need
the
support
of
those
in
the
justice
committee
community.
K
We
want
to
to
help
initiate
that
process.
We'd
like
to
invite
director
daniels
the
wardens
and
the
medical
director
to
a
town
hall
that
we're
going
to
be
holding
with
families
on
tuesday
december
8th
at
5pm
pacific
time.
You
all
are
welcome
to
attend.
Also
we're
hoping
for
a
place
where
we
can
ask
our
questions,
get
answers
and
be
able
to
move
forward
in
a
way
that
we
have
some
assurance
that
our
loved
ones
are
going
to
survive
their
incarceration,
because
most
of
them
do
not
have
death.
E
O
Hello,
my
name
is
cindy.
I
am
a
member
of
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice.
My
fiance
is
housed
at
lovelock
correctional
center.
Up
until
this
past
week,
all
units
were
intermingled.
Ndoc
was
pretty
much
business
as
usual
and
did
little
to
protect
our
loved
ones
from
possible
exposure
by
staff
members.
They
didn't
require
incarcerated
people
to
wear
pp,
to
wear
ppe
and
they
were
not
given
new
masks
regularly.
We
have
been
told
that
there
are
frequent
shortages
of
hand
sanitizer
and
eventually
there
was
no
hand
sanitizer,
because
staff
said
people
were
abusing
it.
O
It
seems
like
staff
could
potentially
do
something
about
consequences
for
people
misusing
hand
sanitizer,
but
what
do
they
do
once
our
loved
one
dies?
We
have
had
questions
regarding
inconsistent
policies
that
didn't
make
sense.
Since
the
padam
pandemic
broke
last
week,
lovelock
began
bed
moves
to
house
people
who
work
together
into
units
together,
assumedly
to
limit
exposure
to
people
thinking
to
people
that
they
do
not
regularly
interact
with
and
limit
the
possibility
of
exposure.
That
would
have
been
a
smart
policy.
Eight
months
ago,
before
covet
began
to
spread
through
our
facilities.
O
Ndoc
failed
to
be
proactive
and
protect
incarcerated
people,
our
husbands
and
wives,
and
brothers,
and
sisters
and
daughters
and
sons,
our
loved
ones,
our
families,
while
they
were
in
the
care
and
custody
of
the
state.
Also
staff
is
not
doing
their
part
in
protecting
incarcerated
people
by
wearing
required,
ppe
and
taking
their
responsibility
seriously.
Staff
are
the
only
way
that
covet
enters
the
facilities
and
their
obligation
to
be
responsible
should
expand
to
the
hours
they
are
off
duty,
since
it
directly
impacts
the
safety
of
the
population
they
supervise
repeatedly.
O
We
hear
stories
of
cos
joking
about
masks
and
ppe
and
social
distancing.
Before
this
outbreak.
We
still
had
regular
reports
of
staff
at
various
facilities,
not
wearing
masks.
We
called
to
report
it
and
we're
told
inmates
could
report
it
to
the
warden.
How
is
this
their
responsibility
to
report
and
enforce
that
and
then
what?
After
they
report,
then
they
get
retaliated
against.
We
have
been
cut
off
from
our
from
contact
with
our
loved
ones.
O
O
E
E
D
E
D
D
D
The
question
about
n95
use
of
the
curious
one
in
order
for
n95s
to
be
effective,
they
must
be
fit
tested,
as
they
are
not
one
size
fits
all.
There
are
many
different
styles
shapes
and
sizes,
and
one
must
be
fitted
and
tested
using
validation
methods
or
they're
rendered
ineffective,
even
so
much
as
losing
or
gaining
some
weight,
dental
work
etc
could
require
you
to
be
retested
as.
P
D
D
This
issue,
coupled
with
lack
of
enforcement
of
their
own
mass
policy,
could
be
the
reason
why
nboc
has
such
a
large
issue
with
the
cova
cases.
At
this
time
it
certainly
seems
possible
and
usc
is
considered.
It
is
continuously
not
following
their
own
policies
and
procedures,
not
to
mention
those
determined
by
to
be
affected
by
the
cbc
and
world
health
organizations.
D
E
N
Ann
marie
grant,
I
have
provided
you
I.
I
asked
this
commission
to
consider,
including
into
the
work
session
the
factual
innocence
posthumously
recommendation
that
has
been
presented
to
you
by
advocate
tanya
brown
and
the
letter
from
exoneree
ray
krohn,
who
was
wrongfully
convicted
based
on
nevada,
senator
ray
rosson's
testimony
as
an
expert
in
bite
marks.
I
have
provided
you
with
a
case
in
which
the
courts
can
sometimes
get
the
facts
of
the
case
simply
wrong.
The
documents
I
have
submitted
for
the
public
record
is
the
testimony
of
sparks
police
officer,
stephen
asher.
N
I
am
only
pointing
out
one
area
in
this
case,
but
there
are
others
as
well.
Stephen
asher
testified
on
page
two
of
the
documents
I
gave
you
he
was
laying
down
in
the
bushes
on
page
three
marked
page
38
of
the
document
he
testified.
I
asked
him
what
he
was
doing
laying
down
in
the
area
and
he
stated
to
me
that
he
needed
a
place
to
lay
down
to
sleep
and
that
he'd
come
there
on
a
prior
occasion
on
cross-examination
officer.
N
Asher's
testimony
does
not
reflect
his
previous
testimony
under
direct
examination
question
to
asher
walking
toward
flaky
jake.
Isn't
it
effective
when
you
go
out
over
to
the
area
of
the
bush,
that
the
reason
mr
blank
is
laying
down
is
because
there's
shotguns
pointed
in
his
face
answer
at
the
time
I
arrived
there
were
no
shotguns
being
pointed
at
him.
There
was
a
handgun
in
question,
oh
okay,
and
so
he
wasn't
just
napping
there
in
the
bushes
answer.
No,
he
was
laying
there
with
a
cigarette
burning
question.
N
N
It
says,
in
conjunction
with
the
other
circumstantial
evidence
tending
the
show.
At
the
time
the
defendant
was
apprehended
lurking
in
the
bushes
and
he
fit
the
general
description
of
the
perpetrator
on
page
10.
11
of
the
documents
are
closing
arguments.
The
district
attorney
just
told
you
in
his
closing
argument.
My
client
was
found
lying
in
some
bushes.
N
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
he
had
been
walking
to
this
restaurant
and
the
police
officer
spotted
him
and
took
him
down
now.
Words
can
be
very
dangerous,
don't
you
love
the
word
lurking
he
was
lurking.
Was
there
any
testimony
of
that?
Did
they
bring
the
sub
shop
guy
in
to
say
yeah?
I
saw
him
and
he
was
lurking
around
on
page
11
of
the
document
starts
asher's.
Testimony
again,
defense
counsel
was
right.
The
word
lurking
can
be
very
dangerous
when
one
does
not
read
the
entire
record
and
only
makes
an
inaccurate
mention
of
it.
N
I'm
not
here
to
try
this
case.
I'm
not
asking
you
to
I'm
here
to
point
out
when
the
courts
get
it
wrong.
The
only
person
who
suffers
is
an
innocent
person.
Even
in
death.
Justice
should
not
stop
at
one's
death
being
wrongfully
convicted
is
a
tragedy,
but
dying
in
prison.
Innocent
is
the
ultimate
miscarriage
of
justice.
Amending
the
factual
innocence
bill
to
include
posthumously
would
be
the
remedy.
I
urge
you
to
support.
Thank
you.
E
F
G
F
M-O-N-I-C-A,
I
have
a
loved
one
incarcerated
at
warm
springs
correctional
center,
I'm
also
a
member
of
return,
return,
strong
families,
united
for
justice
of
incarcerated.
I've
never
done
anything
like
this
before,
but
the
fear
for
my
loved
one's
life
has
forced
me
to
do
something.
So
here
I
am
pregnant
is
hard
under
normal
circumstances,
but
after
15
years
you
adjust
to
certain
aspects
of
it:
chow
halls,
no
privacy.
F
Far
to
your
time,
and
if
you
aren't
careful,
prison
will
begin
to
wear
you
down,
but
there
are
things
that
make
it
easier,
the
connection
with
loved
ones
being
able
to
hear
the
voice
of
someone
outside
the
gate.
That
loves
you
and
cares
about
you,
visits
and
being
able
to
sit
across
and
hold
the
hand
of
someone
that
loves
you
and
look
in
their
eyes
and
know
that
they
care
about
you,
even
if
reality
day
in
and
day
out,
that
no
one
cares
for
you.
F
If
you
live
or
you
die,
you
were
just
a
number
or
a
street
name
to
everyone,
except
your
loved
ones.
That
has
been
the
hardest
part
of
this
pandemic,
the
loss
of
contact
with
our
loved
ones.
As
much
as
they
need
us,
we
rely
on
them.
We
are
families,
no
more,
no
less
than
families
where
everyone
is
free.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
no
one
seems
to
recognize
is
how
deeply
this
impacts.
F
The
mental
and
physical
health
of
all
of
us
dealing
with
the
pandemic
when
you
are
free,
is
challenging,
but
dealing
with
the
pandemic.
When
you
are
free
struggling
and
your
loved
one
is
locked
up
in
the
facility
with
an
active
covet
outbreak,
we
went
from
zero
to
105
cases
overnight,
with
no
notice
we
lost
contact
with
our
loved
ones.
I
haven't
heard
from
mine
in
six
days.
How
do
I
know
if
he's
the
one
of
105
that
have
tested
positive?
Is
he
sick?
Is
he
in
a
child
with
someone
who
is
sick?
F
My
loved
one
goes
up
to
parole
in
four
years
and
that
might
seem
like
of
one
kind
to
the
favorable,
but
it's
nothing
to
us
unless
he
doesn't
make
it
for
reward
alive.
It's
horrific,
where
is
the
accountability
who
holds
ndoc
and
the
state
accountable
for
our
loved
ones,
lives
for
those
physical
and
mental
health?
Two
please
help
us
get
answers
and
find
solutions,
because
obviously
nwc
can't
be
trusted
to
do.
E
E
J
Hello,
my
name
is
teresa
yancey
t-h-e-r-e-s-a,
last
name
ben
c-y-a-n-c-y.
My
loved
one
is
incarcerated
at
southern
desert
correctional
facility.
He
has
been
incarcerated
for
the
past
38
years
and
has
underlying
medical
illnesses
such
as
heart
disease,
not
to
mention
he
is
elderly
and
almost
60
years
old.
The
facility
has
been
on
lockdown
for
months
now,
and
I've
always
looked
forward
to
hearing
from
him
on
a
daily
basis,
but
the
phone
calls
are
few
and
far
between
due
to
the
lockdown.
This
pandemic
is
taking
its
toll
on
me
and
incarcerated
and
families
very
harshly.
J
The
ndoc
has
not
been
able
to
properly
manage
the
facility
during
this
pandemic.
My
significant
other
is
terrified
of
contracting
the
coronavirus
and
feels
that
the
staff
is
not
being
properly
quarantined,
tested
or
retested
prior
to
coming
to
work.
At
this
point,
he's
terrified
of
contracting
this
potentially
deadly
virus
and
wants
the
deal
ndoc
to
perform
more
strenuous
testing
of
staff,
because
this
is
the
way
the
virus
is
entering
the
facility.
The
staff
is
not
properly
wearing
their
mask.
J
Please
consider
how
you
would
feel
if
it
were
your
family
member
who
was
terrified
of
living
in
such
a
cramped
space
with
no
true
ability
to
social
distance
from
others.
We
ask
that
the
ndoc
implement
new
policies
and
procedures
to
protect
the
nevada
inmates,
and
we
also
after
you,
consider
compassionate
releases
for
inmates
who
are
elderly
with
underlying
illnesses,
because
they
are
more
susceptible
to
covet
19
and
their
outcomes
could
potentially
be
deadly.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
E
Q
I
wish
to
address
ndoc
failures
at
attempting
attending
to
the
people
and
the
responsibility
during
this
pandemic.
My
husband
also
has
serious
health
issues
and
has
a
high
risk
for
complications
from
covert.
I
recently
attended
a
meeting
with
director
daniels
stated
that
inmates
were
getting
transported
for
medical
visits
and
receiving
all
medical
care.
I
almost
fall
off
my
chair
at
the
blatant
lie.
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
Yeah,
wonderful,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
everyone's
patience.
I
know
that
there
are
very
limited
opportunities
for
people
to
provide
their
public
comment,
and
so
I
know
that
this
is
one
of
those.
So
I
appreciate
everyone
taking
the
time
and
listening
to
those
comments,
I'm
going
to
move
to
agenda
item
number
four:
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
meeting
on
september,
30th
2020-
I
am
assuming
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
those
minutes
from
the
last
minute
meeting
and
I
would
entertain
a
motion
for
approval
at
this
time.
A
Since
we
are
operating
in
this
virtual
meeting
space,
I'm
going
to
ask
everyone
to
record
their
vote
with
either
a
yes
or
no.
Madam
secretary,
will
you
please
take
a
roll
vault
vote?
Call
roll
call
vote.
C
P
B
B
A
Yes
and
that
motion
passes
and
thank
you
guys
all
so
much
for
taking
an
opportunity
to
read
those
before
this
meeting,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
five.
The
report
of
the
subcommittee
on
criminal
justice
information
sharing
this
was
held.
The
meeting
was
held
on
october
19th
and
prepared
its
final
report
to
give
to
the
full
commission.
I
appreciate
chair
mckay,
proceeding
with
this
so
quickly
after
forming
this
committee
last
meeting,
so
I
will
turn
this
over
to
her
to
present
that
resort.
F
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
fellow
members
of
the
commission,
I
am
mindy
mckay,
chair
of
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice's
subcommittee
on
criminal
justice.
Information
sharing.
You
all,
should
have
a
copy
of
the
subcommittee's
report,
which
I
will
present
in
part
beginning
on
page
four,
the
subcommittee
held
one
meeting
on
october
19
2020.
A
How
about
you
remove
move
directly
to
the
recommendations?
I
know
that
you
had
filed
that
report.
Hopefully
everyone's
had
the
opportunity
to
review
that
you
bet.
R
Now
the
recommendations
to
draft
a
letter
draft
a
letter
to
the
governor
and
the
legislature
urging
support
for
the
necessity
of
the
delegation
of
an
estimated
total
of
approximately
40
million
dollars
from
the
state
general
fund
over
the
next
two
biennium
to
be
used
for
the
insidious
modernization
effort
appendix
b.
Discusses
that
further.
R
The
recommendations
to
include
a
policy
statement
include
a
policy
statement
in
the
final
report
of
the
advisory
commission,
supporting
the
facilitation
of
integrated
relationships
for
criminal
justice
information
sharing
between
ncgis
and
criminal
justice
agencies.
In
order
to
promote
the
sharing
and
collection
collection
of
statistical
data
for
research
related
to
recidivism
of
persons
enrolled
or
previously
enrolled
in
specialty
court
programs.
R
Supporting
the
state's
use
of
12
new
disposition
codes
in
order
to
better
reflect
the
final
outcome
of
criminal
arrest
charges
within
our
criminal
history
system,
you
can
refer
to
appendix
c
for
more
information
regarding
the
disposition
codes.
Thank
you
to
the
members,
the
presenters
and
lcb
staff
for
participating
in
our
subcommittee
meeting.
That
concludes
the
subcommittee's
final
report.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
Does
anyone
on
this
committee
have
any
questions
for
chair
mckay
regarding
the
documents
that
were
uploaded
as
well
as
any
of
her
presentation
here
today
are
the
recommendations
that
are
in
the
work
session
document.
A
Okay,
without
any
questions,
thank
you,
chair
mckay.
I
appreciate
you
guys
taking
the
time
and
putting
all
that
in
especially
under
such
short
notice.
It
was
greatly
appreciated.
So
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
six.
It's
our
work
session,
discussion
and
possible
action
for
recommendations
relating
to
that.
I'm
just
going
to
start
by
saying
that
a
lot
of
the
work
session
documents
at
this
time,
the
recommendations
that's
listed
in
that
work
session
document,
starting
with
number
five
number
six
number:
seven
number
11
and
number
13..
A
I
think
further
discussion
and
review
and
discussions
about
that
need
to
take
place,
and
then
that
would
leave
us
with
the
remaining
items
on
the
work
session
document,
and
I
guess
I
could
do
this
a
couple
of
ways
depending
on
this
committee
and
how
much
discussion
you
wanna.
I
know
some
of
them
are
pretty
broad
kind
of
you
know
standards
on
there.
A
So
if
you
don't
have
an
independent
recollection
of
what
they
are
referring
to,
I
can
if
people
want
to
bring
certain
ones
up
for
discussion,
we
can
do
that
or
if
we
are
so
inclined,
I
can
put
it
on
and
we
can
vote
in
on
it
as
like.
A
slate
of
recommendations.
A
C
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
ask
the
chair,
if
you
intended
to
include
or
consider
adding
to
the
work
session
document
the
two
recommendations
that
were
made
by
the
nevada
sentencing
commission.
They
are
unanimous
recommendations,
they
are
technical
corrections
and
they
are
set
forth
in
executive
director.
Gonzalez's
public
comment
to
this
agenda.
C
A
C
C
These
are
principally
cleanup
areas
that
were
identified
by
the
sentencing
commission.
The
second
item
relates
to
nrs
176.014,
provides
specific
qualifications
for
members
appointed
to
the
nevada,
local
justice
reinvestment
coordinating
council.
This
would
assist
governing
bodies
of
each
county
in
making
their
appointments
to
the
reinvestment
council.
So
it
would
be
an
amendment
to
the
statute
to
set
out
qualifications
for
those
members
to
be
appointed.
C
A
I
can
tell
you
justice
hardesty,
they
weren't
noticed
as
a
part
of
our
work
session
document.
On
this
thing
it
doesn't
mean
that
other
individual
legislators,
I
know
that
there
are
several
that
have
been
observing
both
the
sentencing
commission
and
its
recommendations,
as
well
as
the
acha,
and
I'm
doing
that.
As
you
know,
the
acaga
doesn't
have
any
bill.
Draft
requests,
just
we're
making
recommendations,
and
hopefully,
legislators
that
are
on
this
commission,
as
well
as
those
that
are
watching
it
and
on
various
committees
within
the
senate
and
the
assembly
will
take
that
up.
A
I
don't
think
that
it
is
something
that
we
can
include
right
now,
just
because
of
that
notice
requirements,
but
I
think
that
there
is
a
record
in
there,
and
I
know
that
there
are
other
legislators
that
are
including
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
had
mentioned
in
some
bills
that
will
be
forthcoming
in
the
81st
session.
A
So
I
hope
that
kind
of
answers.
Your
question.
A
Do
we
have
any
other
comments
or
discussion?
I
can
have
lcv
staff
briefly,
explain
the
recommendations
if
people
have
any
questions
or
have
forgotten
what
they
were
in
reference
to.
B
Panama
chair,
this
is
mark
jackson
based
on
the
removals
of
those
five
at
least
13.
B
S
Madam
chair,
this
is
senator
picker,
just
a
quick
question
on
two
and
three,
I'm
generally
resistant
to
removing
authority
from
the
courts
to
make
determinations
that
they
think
are
appropriate
based
on
the
facts
of
the
case.
So
as
we
look
at
removing
authority
of
the
courts
to
determine
levels
of
supervision
for
probationers
and
and
parolees,
and
then
in
three
to
remove
the
division's
ability
to
make
recommendations,
can
you
just
remind
me
why
these
are
you
know?
What's
the
purpose.
A
I
can
start
with
number
three,
I
think:
that's
the
easiest.
Previously
we
have
removed
probation
will
prepare
something
called
a
pre-sentence
investigation
report
prior
to
sentencing
and
we
actually
moved
removed
them,
making
recommendations
to
the
courts,
and
so
there
were
some
other
areas
where
they
were
still
making
recommendations
because
it
was
still
in
there.
But
that
was
inconsistent
with
what
we
had
already
passed,
so
they
shouldn't
be
making
any
recommendations
anyway.
It
is
completely
in
the
discretion
of
the
sentencing
judge
to
be
able
to
sentence
people
appropriately.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
nick
anthony
for
the
record
yes,
you're,
correct
in
the
statute
requires
the
division
to
use
a
tool,
and
this
process
was
requested
by
the
division
to
simply
remove
because
it
conflicts
allowing
the
courts
and
others
input
into
the
process.
So
they
asked
for
consistency
and
kind
of
a
cleanup
on
both
two
and
three
to
remove
any
conflicts
there
in
statute.
S
Yes,
and
as
soon
as
he
started
talking
about,
I
did
remember
actually
when
you
mentioned
it.
I
did
remember
that
three
was
a
cleanup,
but
I
don't
remember
any
discussion
about
removing
the
authority
of
the
courts
to
determine
levels
of
supervision
for
probationers
and
parolees,
particularly
if
a
judge
were
to
feel
that
that's
that
a
deviation
from
some
standard
may
be
necessary
under
the
circumstances
that
just
makes
me
nervous.
S
C
A
A
C
Madam
chair,
my
understanding
is
that
statute
already
requires
the
division
of
parole
and
probation
to
engage
in
a
risk
and
needs
assessment.
A
I
think
a
way
to
fix
this
to
alleviate
any
concerns
that
justice,
hardesty
and
senator
pickard
might
have,
or
any
other
of
the
members
of
the
commission
is
to.
Maybe
you
know
just
clarify
that
that
is
the
intent
of
that
recommendation
is
to
clarify
any
inconsistencies
between
those
two
statutes
that
they
have
already
been
authorized
to
do.
I.
N
A
S
Yes,
I
suspect,
madam
chair,
that,
given,
if
that's
what
we're
saying
then
number
two
needs
to
be
rewritten,
because
I
I
understand
risk
assessments
and-
and
you
know
the
discussions
there
that's
been
going
on
for
some
time.
S
But
the
way
this
is
written,
it
sounds
like
we're
removing
from
the
sentencing,
judge
the
ability
to
do
what
he
thinks
is
necessary
under
the
circumstances-
and
I
I
just
can't
support
that-
I
suspect
and
and
justice
hardesty
will,
I'm
sure,
defer
on
this
question.
But
I
think
that
were
that
to
be
appealed
that
someone's
sentencing,
including
the
supervision
levels
being
set
by
a
a
mechanical
standard,
as
opposed
to
the
facts
of
the
case,
probably
would
raise
some
eyebrows.
S
So
I
just
I
I
if,
if
we
want
to
rewrite
that
great
otherwise,
I
would
just
suggest
we
pull
that
and
then
we
can
take
care
of
that
in
the
next
session
independently.
If
we
choose
to.
P
Madam
chair,
this
is
christo
rico
at
the
parole
board.
P
Yes,
so
I've
had
some
conversations
with
the
division.
I
know
they
don't
have
anybody
present
here
today,
but
for
my
recollection
on
this,
it's
having
to
do
with.
P
If,
if
the
parole
board
or
the
courts,
let's
say
indicate
that
they
wanted
someone
supervised
at
an
intensive
level
or
enhanced
level
of
supervision,
when
the
risk
assessment
actually
conducted
then
raised
by
the
division,
actually
might
come
back
as
they
are
a
low
risk
or
a
moderate
risk,
and
so
you're
over
super
could
possibly
the
court
or
the
parole
board
could
order
somebody
to
quite
possibly
over
supervise
an
individual,
which
the
empirical
data
shows
that
that's
not
the
best
thing
for
successful
supervision.
P
So
I
think
this
all
came
about
just
so
that
we
make
sure
the
division
could
determine
what
the
appropriate
supervision
level
is
for
the
use
of
the
in
raz
versus
having
someone
else
tell
them
something
when
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
meet
or
doesn't
match
up
to
the
same
thing.
So
we
wouldn't
want
to
supervise
someone
more
severely
when
they
didn't
require
it.
P
Well,
at
the
pro
board,
we
don't
supervise
anybody,
but
I
know
that
they
are
when
they
do
that
in
raz.
They
are
supervising
them
according
according
to
the
supervision
level,
unless,
for
instance,
the
parole
board
just
use
us
for
an
example
said
we
wanted
someone
to
be
sue,
be
supervised
at
a
higher
level,
but
then,
once
again,
we
might
be
not
doing
a
disservice
by
us
ordering
a
higher
level
when
they
really
should
only
be
supervised
at
a
lower
level,
or
vice
versa.
T
I
don't
see
in
the
statute
anywhere,
and
so
I
and
I'm
also
having
trouble
with
the
idea
that
district
court
judges
were
using
those
terms
ever
or
maybe
they,
maybe
I'm
I'm
trying
to
envision
when
this
ever
occurred.
I
understand
what
they're
trying
to
say
is
they
have
to
do
this
risk
assessment
and
they're
going
to
under
the
statute
now
and
then
they're
going
to
supervise,
based
on
the
risk
assessment
or
a
needs
analysis
or
whatever,
but.
B
T
Seems
like
what
they're
saying
is
that
that
may
be
contradict
whatever
a
district
court
judge
is
ordering
them
to
do.
I'm
trying
to
find
the
statute
where
it
gives
it
even
gives
authority
to
the
district
court
judge
to
use
those
certain
terms
and
if
those
certain
terms
have
any
meaning
in
the
first
place,
and
I
was
kind
of
initially
thinking
this
might
be
just
kind
of
an
old
statute
that
needed
to
be
cleaned
up.
As
I
say
here
right
now,
I
can't
even
really
match
up
where
the
disconnect
is
because
I
don't.
T
I
don't
remember
in
my
experience
just
report
judges
using
words
that
are
in
that
recommendation,
tying
them
to
a
particular
statute
and
then
having
this
conflict.
Does
that
are
you
and
I,
on
the
same
page
as
that,
because
I
can't
I
can't
quite
make
heads
or
tells
out
of
that
sometimes
a
probation
officer
on
a
revocation
might
come
in
and
say
well
judge
we're
going
to
reinstate
him,
but
we
want
this,
this
level
of
supervision
as
part
of
the
conditions,
but
maybe
that's
what
we're
talking
about,
but
I've
just
never
seen.
A
Postures
that
would
result
in
this
particular
conflict.
The
only
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
some
of
the
specialty
courts.
A
Put
them
on
low
level
monitoring
when
they
first
started
mental
health,
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
always
been
my
impression
that
they
work
pretty
closely
with
the
supervising
agency
to
agree.
B
A
G
A
Any
kind
of
inconsistency
between
statute
and
like
thing,
and
that
obviously
is
not
necessarily
what
this
does
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
pulling
as
well.
I
think,
obviously
it
needs
further
discussion
and
I
would
encourage
pearl
and
probation
if
this
is
something
that
they
are
really
concerned
about.
Reach.
B
A
B
Madam
chairman
jackson,
I
I
agree
with
that.
The
the
issue
is
actually
under
subsection.
B
So
you
can
see
it.
There
will
be
a
potential
for
conflicts
in
that,
so
it
does
highlight
the
issue
that
was
raised
by
the
senator,
and
I
think
it
is
a
good
thing
to
pull
that
one.
So
I
support
the
the
remaining
12.
S
And
madam
chair,
I
appreciate
that
I
didn't
mean
to
throw
a
wrench
in
the
works,
but
I
appreciate
you
pulling
that
I
have
a
district
court
judge
who's
expecting
me
to
log
into
a
hearing
in
four
minutes.
So
I'll
just
put
on
the
record
that
I
will.
I
am
in
favor
of
the
balance
after
removing
two
and
the
others
that
you
mentioned.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
No
problem
do
we
have
any
other
further
discussion
about
the
remaining
listed
items
in
the
recommendations.
Madam
chair,
this
is
mindy.
R
R
That
means
that
when
it's
retainable
we're
able
to
place
it
on
the
person's
record
of
criminal
history,
if
it's
not
retainable,
then
it
will
not
be
placed
on
that
record
of
criminal
history
and
therefore
anyone
requesting
that
person's
record
will
never
see
that.
So
the
purpose
of
us
asking
for
that
to
be
added
to
the
definition
is
so
that
we
can
retain
it
on
an
actual
record
of
criminal
history.
So
I
hope
that
clears
up
any
confusion.
A
It's
my
understanding
from
reading
over
your
report
that
this
is
just
one
of
those
ones
that,
for
some
reason,
was
never
incorporated
like
duis
and
other
types
of
misdemeanors
are.
But
this
one
isn't
isn't
that
correct.
T
A
Do
I
hear
a
motion
to
accept
those
are
a
motion
to
what
am
I
going
to
call
this
a
motion
to
vote
on
these
recommendations,
I'll
move
to
adopt
the
recommendations
as
a
slate,
as
stated.
R
A
And
because
we're
on
this
virtual
meeting
space,
I
would
ask
the
madam
secretary
to
take
a
roll
call
vote
for
each
or
this
glade.
P
E
A
At
time.
A
Patience,
you
know
we
that
leads
us
into
our
last
public
comment.
I
think
we're
going
to
take
a
two-minute
break,
though,
to
allow
people
to
call
in
during
that
time
period.
So,
if
I
can
ask
everyone
to,
please
remain
like
I
said,
I
think
this
is
such
an
important
part
of
our
like
process
of
openness
and.
A
A
Okay,
we'll
start
public
comment
at
this
time,
I'll
remind
everyone
that
public
comment
is
limited
to
two
minutes.
I
am
timing,
everyone
at
an
abundance
of
appreciation
for
our
time,
as
well
as
fairness
and
again,
I
would
encourage
anyone
to
submit
anything
that
they
have
in
writing.
Should
it
be
longer
than
two
minutes
or
they
want
to
supplement
their
written
test
or
their
oral
testimony
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
broadcasting.
B
B
B
B
Madam
chair,
those
were
the
only
two
participants,
we
had
participants,
we
had
and
they
are
not
one
left
and
one
is
not
in
meeting.
A
Okay,
well
thank
everyone
for
attending
this
last
and
final
meeting
prior
to
the
start
of
the
81st
legislative
session,
and
at
this
time
I
would
adjourn
the
meeting.
Thank
you.