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From YouTube: 08/27/2020 - Committee to Conduct an Interim Study of the Requirements for Redistricting
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A
All
right
chair,
we
are
ready
when
you
are
very
good.
Thank
you
good
morning
and
welcome
at
this
time.
I
will
call
to
order
this
virtual
meeting
of
the
committee
to
conduct
an
interim
study
of
the
requirements
for
reapportionment
13..
This
is
our
third
meeting
of
the
2019
2020
interim.
Thank
you
to
everyone
who
is
joining
us
online
today
and
we
appreciate
your
participation
in
it.
Even
if
you
can't
see
you
in
person
members,
we
have
grown
accustomed
to
meetings
using
this
new
virtual
format.
A
A
Calling
roll
senator
cansella
I'm
here,
senator
canazzaro.
C
Later
this
morning,
senator
guitar
here
assemblywoman
benitez
thompson,
we'll
be
logging
back
in
shortly.
C
C
As
you
know,
this
study
that
we
are
undertaking
is
meant
to
set
the
stage
for
our
redistricting
efforts
next
year,
so
all
in
attendance
and
those
listening
over
the
internet.
I
thank
you
for
your
interest
and
your
participation
in
this
important
study
before
we
begin,
of
course,
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
review
for
the
benefit
of
the
audience
and
those
wishing
to
speak.
C
Although
we
are
meeting
remotely
many
other
procedures
remain,
the
same
meeting
materials
can
be
accessed
on
the
committee's
webpage.
Anyone
who
would
like
to
receive
electronic
notification
and
access
to
the
committee's
agendas,
minutes
or
final
report
can
sign
up
on
the
nevada
legislature's
website.
C
C
C
775-684-6600,
as
always,
this
meeting
is,
will
be
recorded
and
available
on
the
legislature's
website
and
is
also
available
for
live
and
archived
viewing
on
the
nevada,
legislature's
new
youtube
channel
as
an
overview
while
our
public
commenters
are
being
connected.
I
would
like
to
say
a
few
words
about
our
work.
This
interim,
the
genesis
of
this
interim
study,
is
senate
joint
resolution
number
nine
of
the
2019
legislative
session.
This
interim
study
is
held
every
10
years
in
advance
of
the
redistricting
session
to
help
us
prepare
for
the
redistricting
expense
for
exercise.
C
As
a
result,
the
legislative
commission
gave
this
committee
the
authority
to
meet
beyond
our
june
30th
2020
meeting
deadline
and
to
continue
its
business
into
the
fall.
Today,
we're
going
to
be
hearing
from
the
census
bureau
on
how
they
have
responded
to
the
pandemic
and
what
it
means
for
various
enumeration
deadlines
and
dated
delivery
to
the
states.
And,
of
course
this
is
extremely
interesting
for
us
and
pretty
much
directs
our
ability
to
carry
out
our
duties.
B
B
D
E
D
Speakers
today
are
going
to
be
staying
on
the
line
to
listen
to
the
other
speakers
presentation.
So
that's.
E
That
is
awesome.
Thank
you.
We
will
now
open
if
bps
is
ready.
The
first
period
of
public
comment,
each
speaker
will
be
provided
three
minutes
and
we
also
encourage
members
of
the
public
to
submit
their
written.
E
Telephone
line
so
bps
staff,
please
add
the
first
caller
with
probably
comment
to
the
meeting
and
we'll
begin
as
soon
as
you're
ready.
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
do
have
written
public
comment.
E
That
we've
received
from
forest
darby
so
we'll
make
sure
that
that
gets
placed
on
in
our
minutes
going
forward.
So
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which.
D
C
Since
we're
in
a
virtual
first
of
all,
is
there
any
discussion
and
since
we're
in
a
virtual
meeting,
we
will
take
the
roll
call
vote
and
we
want.
We
urge
you
to
please
say
yes
or
no,
and
so
that
is
very
clear
over
the
virtual
connection
as
to
what
your
vote
is.
So,
mr
stewart,
would
you
call
the
roll
please?
C
C
Yes
and
assemblyman
watts
yes
and
chairwood
house.
Yes,
thank
you
and
it's
approved.
Thank
you.
The
motion
passes
next,
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
four,
which
is
an
update
of
the
united
states,
census,
bureau
activities,
outreach
and
census
response
rates
in
nevada,
with
a
discussion
of
the
impacts
of
the
kobit
19
on
census
operations,
and
we
welcome
guermal
gonzalez,
who
is
the
congressional
partnership
specialist
and
brian
lee
berman,
who
is
the
senior
partnership
specialist
with
the
u.s
census
bureau?
C
C
C
C
Okay,
wait.
Do
we
have
the
first
slide
up?
Yes,
it's
ready,
okay
and
I
apologize
in
advance,
for
I
had
some
some
formatting
challenges
with
my
com
census
bureau
issued
laptop.
So
apologies
for
that,
but
the
first
slide,
I'm
talking
about
addresses
are
operational
timelines,
our
original
timeline
and
our
pandemic
adjusted
timeline
as
you'll
see.
Our
update
leave
was
originally
scheduled
for
march
15
through
april
17th,
in
the
update
leave
operation.
C
This
is
where
our
census
bureau
employees
go
out
to
housing
units
that
didn't
have
a
mail
address
at
their
physical
location
or
the
the
mail
delivery.
Information
for
the
housing
unit
couldn't
be
verified,
and
in
this
operation
a
census
bureau,
employee,
physically,
delivers
a
2020
census
invitation.
A
C
C
Our
service-based
enumeration
was
originally
scheduled
for
march
30th
april
1st
that
got
pushed
out
to
september
22nd
through
the
24th
and
then
our
non-sheltered
outdoor
locations
operation,
which
was
scheduled
for
march
31st
april
1st
that
got
pushed
out
to
september
23rd
through
the
24th
group
quarters,
was
scheduled,
as
you
see
from
april,
2nd
to
june
5th
that
got
pushed
out
to
september
3rd.
B
Of
redistricting
data
was
originally
scheduled
to
be
delivered
on
march
30th
2021
and
that
delivery
schedule
right
now
is
under
review.
B
G
Okay,
this
the
self-response
rate
summary
this:
this
is
for
nationwide
data.
My
colleague.
C
C
C
It's
ready,
our
our
original
workload
in
our
update
leave
operation
was
scheduled
to
cover
possibly
6.8
million
households
and
when,
when
a
pandemic
arrived
post
march
18th
we
had
covered
approximately
736
000
housing
units.
C
Our
update
lee
workload
was
completed
on
august
10th.
The
update
leave
operation.
It
was
broken
down.
C
D
A
Our
group
quarters
operation-
this
is
the
the
special
process
where
census
bureau
works,
hand-in-hand
with
group
quarter,
administrators
to
gather
population
data
for
those
facilities
and
you'll
see
that
the
table
the
group
quarters
table
there
below
shows
our
initial
workload.
A
H
Is
the.
E
It's
ready
so
in
our
service-based
enumeration.
E
C
H
B
E
C
It's
ready,
okay,
there's!
I
apologize
there's
a
lag
time
on
my
screen
with
the
with
the
computer.
So
that's
why
the
lag,
but
in
this
slide.
B
On
august
7th,
the
cdc
joined
us
to
issue
a
joint
statement
that
our
non-response
follow
operations.
This
is.
H
Where
incentives,
employees
physically
go
to
households
and
other
locations
to
conduct
the
interviews
to
receive
data
that
folks
did
not
submit
on
their
own.
And
in
that
statement
the
cdc
felt
that
there
was
minimal
risk
by
census
employees
to
mitigate
the
risk
of
transmission
of
coven,
19.
H
C
H
Questionnaires
next
slide,
please,
with
regard
to
the
apportionment
count,
our
objective
is
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
provide
an
apportionment
account
by
the
statutory
deadline
of
december
31st
2020..
B
E
E
In-Person
contacts
and
this
provides
an
additional
method
to
enumerate
those
hard-to-reach
communities,
we're
also
expanding
the
use
of
our
non-response
follow-up
travel
teams.
This
is
where
we
will
move
our
travel
teams
and
non-response
teams
to
those
areas
where
they're
needed
and
we've
found
that
using
more
experienced
staff
and
moving
those
teams
to
supplement
the
existing
teams
in
hard-to-reach
communities
has
been
helpful
in
increasing
participation
and,
lastly,
we
are
extending
our
mobile
questionnaire
assistance
operation,
we're
deploying
our
trained
staff
to
assist
with
self-response
and
low.
C
Response
areas
and
that's
going
on
that,
will
go
on
through
the
deadline
of
september
30th.
C
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
great,
to
be
with
you
once
again.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
for
having
me.
As
we
all
know,
there
are
three
ways
right
to
respond
to
the
census.
This
year,
it's
easier
than
ever
right
online
at
my2020census.gov.
E
Today,
I'm
going
to
I'm
here
with
you
in
a
limited
capacity,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
two
things:
nevada's,
really:
terrific
progress
with
self-response,
even
during
a
pandemic.
The
numbers
are
great,
as
I'm
going
to
show
you
here
in
a
moment
and
then
how
your
partnership
team,
your
census,
partnership
team,
is
going
to
get
the
most
out
of
the
next
six
weeks
so
that
we
have
the
best
self-response
rate
ever
on
slide.
Two,
mr
stewart,
please
what
we're
looking.
C
Here,
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
picture
of
the
self-response
rates
by
county
here
in
nevada
color-coded.
You
can
see
on
the
bottom,
the
bluer,
the
shade,
the
better
the
self-response
rate
you'll
see
that
nevada's
self-response
rate,
as
of
yesterday,
was
63.7
percent,
so
that
provides
some
context
in
2010
nevada's
self-response
rate
was
61.4
again
61.4
percent
and
you're
thinking
to
yourself
that
60
that's
quite
a
three
and
a
half
percent
higher
than
61.4
percent.
That's
correct!
Nevada's.
A
On
nevada's
growth
and
self-response
rate
responses,
since
2010
is
second
overall
in
the
entire
country
out
of
the
50
states,
so
we
have
done
a
fabulous
job
and
it
is
due
to
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
are
listening
on
the
line.
So
just
thank
you
for
that.
I
want
to
go
into
depth
to
show
you
why
we're
doing
so.
A
Well,
if
you
could,
please
open
slide
three,
really
what
I
want
to
emphasize
initially,
I
will
get
to
my
friends
in
the
north
here
in
a
moment,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
clark
county
here
for
a
second,
because
we've
really
got
something.
We
have
some
really
neat
going
on
down
here
back
in
2010
clark.
E
County's
stock
response
rate
was
60.4
percent.
As
of
yesterday
it
was
64.2
at
clark
county
with
2.2
million
people
has
grown
more
than
six
percent
in
self-responses,
which
is
really
really
great.
It's
hard
to
overemphasize
how
great
that
is,
and,
as
you
can
see
here
on
the
left
and
that
the
rankings
by
city.
B
The
growth
in
clark
county
has
been
powered
by
our
amazing
city.
Each
of
our
cities
in
clark
county
have
gone
above
and
beyond
anything
that
they've
ever
done
in
terms
of
self-response,
and
we
have
terrific
results.
Boulder
city
has
grown
2.1
since
2010
las
vegas
has
grown
3.8
percent.
North
las
vegas
has
grown
a
cool
5.1,
that's
pretty
great
in
mesquite,
and
this
is
going
to
sound
silly.
B
This
is
right,
22.8
growth
since
2010
right,
and
it's
really
some
really
amazing
statistics,
and
at
the
top
of
that
list
there
you
see
my
hometown
henderson
nevada,
very
proud
report
that
73.9
is
exceptional
across
the
entire
country.
I
looked
up
the
list
of
the
top
performing.
B
B
I
We
see
a
lot
of
mr
berman.
Let
me
interrupt
you
for
a
second
we're
behind
on
the
slides,
so
I
think
you're
going
on
to
slide
four
now
and
we're
stuck
on
slide
one.
I
Now
let
me
see,
I've
got
slide
four
up
on
mine,
so
let
me
we
can
pause.
Madam
chair
just
momentarily.
I'm
going.
B
Okay,
it
was
coming
up
full
screen
on
my
side.
I
apologize.
Let
me
try
this
one
more
time,
michael.
This
is
jen
with
broadcast,
I'm
here
to
assist
you
as
well.
Thank.
J
I
I
I'm
sorry
go
back,
go
back
to
the
home
tab.
I
I
I
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
berman.
Is
that
the
2020
census
total
response,
or
is
it
the
map
following
that
20
20
census,
total
self-response.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
know
that
if
I
get
a
little
ahead
of
the
powerpoint
presentation,
please
just
stop
me
and
I'm
happy
to
wait.
I
wanted
to
take
a
step
back
and
I
promised
I
wanted
to
show
some
of
the
great
growth
we've
had
in
some
of
our
northern
counties.
I
mean
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
left
column.
Now
you
see
the
rankings
by
counting
with
the
self-response
rate.
I
want
to
point
out
three
particular
counties
are
doing
terrific.
I
I
hope
you
all
like
double
digit
growth,
ryan
county
has
grown,
11.1
percent
douglas
county
has
grown
11.9
percent
since
2010
and
then
of
course,
everyone's
favorite
story
county
with
the
crazy
growth
29.9
percent
growth.
Is
the
2010
self-response
number
terrific
slide
four
please?
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
the
municipalities
with
fewer
than
25
000
people.
I
They
have
some
great
self-response
rates
here
as
well.
I
also
want
to
point
out
currently:
we've
got
12.9
percent
software
response
rate
growth
in
2010.,
so
we've
got
double
digit
growth,
both
in
our
largest
and
our
largest
communities
and
some
of
our
smallest
communities.
Also,
the
self-response
rate
effort
here
in
nevada
is
spread
wide
and
far.
We're
really
really
pleased
with
the
progress.
I
I
So
they
know
how
easy
it
is
to
self-respond,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
since
we've
instituted-
and
this
is
what
mr
gonzalez
was
referring
to
earlier
as
mobile
questionnaire
assistance-
mqa-
and
that's
that's
our
program
here
in
nevada-
we're
primarily
trying
to
focus
on
the
folks-
we
think
that
have
yet
to
self-respond,
and
we
think
that
these
food
distribution
events
are
a
great
opportunity,
and
I
can
tell
you
someone
who's
interviewed
with
the
data
in
the
last
two
weeks
and
we've
been
emphasizing
these
events
we
have
seen
a
great
an
uptick
just
in
the
last
week,
and
nevada
is
growing
faster
than
any
other
state
in
the
country
right
now.
I
So
we're
very
pleased
about
that
in
terms
of
these
mqa
events,
I'm
very
pleased
to
record
that,
as
of
this
morning,
at
logan
elementary
school,
we
are.
This
is
our
100th
global
questionnaire
event
that
we
have
completed
here
in
nevada
since
july
21st
remember,
we
were
given
the
okay
that
was
safe
to
go
into
the
field
so
on
the
way
forward,
we're
going
to
double
down
we're
going
to
have
at
least
20.
we're
getting.
My
word
on
that.
I
At
least
20
events
each
week
for
the
rest
of
the
way
and
we're
going
to
try
to
get
as
many
stuff
responses
as
we
can
and
before
we
pause
and
we
open
up
for
questions
for
mr
gonzalez-
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
a
few
of
our
partners.
Are
these
amazing
numbers
that
I'm
showing
you
it
didn't
have
to
be
this
way
we
were
40th
in
the
country
in
2010
and
self-response.
I
She
has
been
leading
a
group
of
90
volunteers
for
more
than
a
year
and
coming
up
with
the
most
creative
ways
possible
to
get
self-responses
here
I
said
I
told
this
committee
back
in
march.
I
thought
we
had
the
best
big
cal
committee
in
the
whole
nation
and
I'm
very
pleased
looking
at
that.
They
made
me
look
pretty
good,
I
mean
for
us
to
be
in
a
complete
shutdown
if
the
still
gets.
I
This
big
growth
in
self-response
is
due
to
all
that
work
that
they
did
to
the
year
prior
here
and
all
the
amazing
organizations
that
they
brought
together
and
and
like,
for
example,
these
food
distribution
events
that
the
reason
we
were
able
to
get.
That
was
because
of
the
connections
we
have
through
the
complete
cal
committee,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
so
many
municipalities.
We've
worked
with,
I
mentioned
some
of
the
cities
and
all
the
great
work
they've
done,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
clark
county
specifically,
the
commissioners
manager
king
for
their
leadership.
I
They
have
gone
above
and
beyond.
They
have
done
everything
we
have
asked
and
we
have
asked
a
whole
lot
of
them
from
training
space
to
allow
we've
trained
more
than
1500
of
their
employees.
The
census
ambassadors
they're
actively
helping
us
in
september
with
the
service-based
enumeration
and
the
count
of
folks
experience
and
homelessness.
They
have
so
to
clark
county.
We
want
to
say
thank
you
again
for
everything
that
you've
done
to
help
us.
I
We
would
not
be
able
to
get
the
accurate
account
that
we
will
get
if
it
wasn't
for
them,
and
I
was
just
I'll
finish
on
this
note.
I've
had
the
privilege
in
the
past
year
I've
met
hundreds
of
public
employees
in
the
county,
and
these
are
some
of
the
finest
most
upstanding
people.
I've
ever
met,
and
it's
true
not
just
in
the
county,
but
in
the
cities
as
well,
and
the
state
employees
as
well
I've
just
I
have.
I
I
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
berman.
We
will
now
open
to
questions
from
committee
members
and,
as
you
have
questions,
please
feel
free
to
direct
them
to
whichever
of
the
two
speakers,
you
would
like
to
address
your
question
so
we'll
open
it
for
questions,
and
I,
let's
see
can't
see
you
all
so
just
hop
in
and
let
me
know
who
you
are
and
if
you
have
a
question,
I'm
sure
this
is
jason
fryerson.
If
I
could
ask
a
quick
question,
please
go
ahead.
I
I
mean
this
might
be
oversimplifying
it,
but
when
we
talk
about
the
response
rate,
how
do
we
know
what
we
don't
know
like?
How
do
we
know
that
we're
not
overlooking
people
who
haven't
been
counted
yet
like
what
is
that
percent
based
on
from
our
starting
point.
I
Thank
you
assemblyman
for
the
for
the
question.
I
have
a
slide
that
might
provide
a
some
helpful
guidance
if
you
could
pull
up
slide.
Five.
Second
I'll,
take
you
about
behind
the
curtain
on
our
strategy.
Here
I
was
talking
about
mobile
questionnaire
systems.
I
What
we're
looking
at
is
a
live
map
of
the
self-response
data
here
in
clark
county,
so
the
the
color
in
brown,
that's
going
to
be
the
las
vegas
strip,
and
then
you
can
see
the
highways
for
the
folks
that
are
in
the
valley
we
and
to
answer
your
questions
too.
We
have
data
based
on
where
folks
live
and
their
response,
so
we
are
going
doing
events
in
the
areas
on
the
map
that
are
in
orange
and
in
tan
right.
I
So
these
are
the
areas,
so
we
have
great
data
this
year
that
we've
best
that
we've
ever
had
so
we're
able
to
know
which
neighborhoods
still
need
work
on
self-response
so
like
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
paradise.
I
You
know
here
in
clark
county,
it's
paradise,
it's
winchester,
sunrise,
manor,
some
work
weed,
there's
some
work
in
downtown
las
vegas,
some
east
las
vegas,
eastern
north
las
vegas
as
well,
I,
and
so,
but
because
we
have
such
good
data,
we're
able
to
target
our
mobile
questionnaire
assistance
events
in
the
neighborhoods
that
needs
the
most,
and
I
can
tell
you
in
the
past
year,
we
were
able
to
do
a
lot
more
field
work.
I
And
is
that
is
that,
like
utility
bills
or
like
just
postal
service,
mailing
addresses
like
how
do
we
know
that
there's
not
more
or
fewer
people
in
any
given
area
that
we
haven't
caught
up
with?
I
Yet
oh
yeah,
if
I
can't
just
add
assemblyman,
this
is
guillermo
gonzalez
65
of
the
addresses
we
obtained
from
the
master
list
that
the
us
post
office
has
the
remaining
35
percent
are
the
ones
that
we
tried
to
capture
through
our
update
leave
operation,
which
was
go
to
go
out
and
verify
addresses
and
locations,
and
does
that
map
that
mr
berman
put
up
is
updated
24
hours
every
24
hours?
So
that's
as
close
to
real
time
as
we
can
get
with
those
areas
that
haven't
responded.
I
He
did.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
assemblywoman,
hard
heart.
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
chair.
This
is
for
mr
berman
as
well.
I
was
just
looking
at
the
slides
on
slide
number
three
and
I
know
you
had
mentioned
that
nevada
was
at
63
response
rate,
so
we
didn't
make
the
top
10,
but
have
we
been
working
with
other
complete
count?
Committees
in
other
states,
specifically
minnesota,
who
has
an
almost
74
response
rate
to
figure
out
what
fleet
count
is
doing
to
generate
such?
I
I
thank
you
assemblywoman
for
the
question
as
much
as
I
I
think
minnesota
is
a
lot
of
folks
like
to
see
the
gold
standard
in
self-response.
I
would
point
out,
though,
not
to
say
anything
against
anyone
else,
but
they
haven't
met
their
2010
rates
yet,
and
then
I
can
tell
you
that
at
least
in
the
like,
we
do
what
we've
collaborate.
We've
done.
A
lot
of
collaboration
throughout
the
west
there's
been
a
lot
of
training
of
ideas
between
nevada,
california,
oregon
washington
coming
up
with
like
well
you'll,
see
washington's
government.
I
They
have
the
highest
growth
of
any
state
in
the
country,
but
so
yes,
we've
been
collaborating
and
then
we
are
collecting
best
practices
and
hopefully,
if
we,
if
nevada
grows
at
the
same
rate,
that
we
grow
and
grew
from
2010
to
2020,
we
will
be
in
the
top
10
by
2030..
So
we
just
did
the
pandemic
slowed
us
down
a
little
bit,
but
we're
right
on
track.
I
And
I
have
just
one
more
follow-up:
if
that's
okay,
madam
chair,
will
we
be
able
to
track
which
I
guess
I
I
sit
on
the
complete
count
committee.
So
I'm
familiar
with
our
you
know
the
subcommittee
groups
that
we
broke
up
into
and
we
know
you
know
which
areas
are
hard
have
harder.
I
You
know
hardest
target,
I'm
response
rate
will
be
able
to
track
where
the
response
rate
came
from
like
if
our
hearts
account
communities
were
still
the
lowest
responding,
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
plan
to
focus
on
that
for
the
next
census.
I
Absolutely
thank
you
for
the
question.
Absolutely
we
will
have
that
data
to
a
track
level,
so
it
attracts
is
about
a
neighborhood
of
4
000
people
and
that's
even
available
right
now
on
the
live
website,
where
you
can
take
your
mouse
and
scroll
over
each
little
neighborhood
and
you
can
see
what
the
response
rate
was
in
the
track
in
2010
and
then
you
can
see
what
it
is
here
in
2020
and
see
if
we're
doing
better
or
worse.
I
Thank
you
very
much
any
further
questions
from
committee
members
for
mr
gonzalez
or
mr
berman.
Madam
chair,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
please
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
general
breakdown.
The
three
smallest
rural
counties,
esmeralda,
eureka
and
lincoln-
are
at
the
very
bottom
any
real
rationale.
Why
they're?
Why
we're
not
getting
response
out
of
those
rural
communities,
because
I
am
concerned
that
will
you
know
extrapolate
on
up
even
into
some
of
the
larger
when
you
get
into
land
or
humble?
If
we're
not
reaching
those
outlying
areas.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
a.
It
is
a
serious
concern
and
we
had
one
way.
I
think
this
committee
could
really
be
a
big
help
is
to
help
because
of
the
pandemic.
We
were
limit.
We
weren't
really
able
to
do
the
field
operations
we
wanted
to
do
in
our
rural
communities
up
until
middle
of
july.
So
if
they're,
what
we
could
be
doing
in
the
next
six
weeks
in
terms
is
reaching
out
to
folks
in
our
rural
communities,
making
sure
that
they
know
if
they
haven't
received
the
census
mailer.
I
I
Madam
chairs,
anyway,
I
don't
know,
would
it
be?
Maybe
we
need
to
put
some
pressure
on
those
local
county
commissions
again,
those
three
jurors,
although
lincoln
county
does
have
a
city,
but
maybe
there's
just
a
general
breakdown.
Maybe
local
government
could
help
us
from
responding
getting
those
people
to
respond.
Just
concerning,
as
I
look
at
those
numbers
when
you're
only
getting
20,
I
know
it's
not
a
lot
of
people,
but
it's
a
piece
of
the
state
and
at
20
reporting.
It's
not
very
good.
I
I
would
agree
with
you
senator
so
yeah.
Let's,
let's
see,
if
there's
some
things
we
can
do
to
reach
out
to
maybe
there,
and
maybe
we
could
even
go
through
mako
to
help
us
with
some
of
those
smaller
rural
counties
to
make
sure
we
can
get
an
increase
in
their
response
rate,
so
yeah,
I'm
sure
we
can
help
out
on
that.
I
I
What
was
nevada's
total
final
response
rate
in
the
2010
census,
so
to
understand
kind
of
where
we're
at
in
relation
to
that.
I
Great
and
what
was
do
you
know
what
the
final
response
rate
was
after
the
the
follow-up
with
the
non-responses.
I
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
that
offhand
right
now.
That's
okay
and
my
other
question
kind
of
related
to
this
is
is
with
the
non-response
follow-up.
So
looking
at
the
the
slides
that
the
guillermo
provided,
you
know
that
period
was
originally
going
to
span
about
two
and
a
half
months.
Now,
it's
you
know
around
a
month
and
a
half,
I'm
just
wondering
and
you've
discussed
some
of
the
the
community-based
the
mobile
outreach
events
that
are
going
on.
I
I
I
The
interviewers
were
based
relative
to
2010.,
so
that's
a
big
help
and
we-
and
we
really
do
appreciate
your
concern,
and
I
do
want
to
say
one
of
the
biggest
ways
this
committee
could
help
understand
this
operation
here
in
the
next
six
weeks
is
with
informing
your
constituents
to
please
respond
when
that
census
taker
comes
to
the
door,
but
that
the
defense
takers
are
out
there
that
these
are
locals,
like
these
are
everyone's
nevadans
hired
to
get
account
of
their
own
local
community
that,
if
they're
going
to
be
wearing
a
mask,
they're
going
to
stay
six
feet
away,
because
the
census
is
only
nine
questions
long
and
it
will
take
less
than
10
minutes.
I
If
you
all
could
help
reinforce
that
message,
please
respond
when
the
census
taker
comes.
That
will
help
us
get.
That
could
really
be
a
big
help
for
the
next
six
weeks.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
just
have
one
last
question
along
that
vein
as
we
do
that
outreach
as
well.
I
You
know
the
administration
has
previously.
You
know
attempted
to
ask
questions
about
citizenship
in
in
the
census
and
has
recently
made
statements
around
trying
to
exclude
certain
non-citizens
from
from
some
of
the
final
counts
in
your
experience.
Has
that
had
an
impact
in
outreach
and
responses
that
you've
gotten
from
some
of
the
members
of
the
community
as
you're
doing
your
follow-up
activities.
I
Oh,
that
is
a
great
and
complicated
question.
Certainly
there
is
an
impact,
but
I
would
say
that
it's
been
mitigated
by
our
terrific
volunteers
right.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
If
I
can
just
add,
if
I
could
just
add
assemblyman,
this
is
guillermo
gonzalez.
This
is
where
our
partnership
with
those
trusted
messengers
in
the
community,
has
been
very
valuable
because
they
are
the
trusted
voices
in
the
community
and
they've
helped
us
assure
the
public
and
members
of
the
community
that
their
information
is
confidential
by
statute.
It
can't
be
shared
with
any
agency
outside
the
census
bureau,
including
law
enforcement.
I
Thank
you
both
for
that.
I
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
your
passion
for
making
sure
that
everyone
gets
counted.
It's
it's
appreciated
to
have
some
of
our
our
folks
on
the
ground,
with
the
census
bureau
working
hard
to
make
sure
that
that
message
gets
out.
I
I
Okay,
see
none.
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
gonzalez
and
mr
berman.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
this
morning
and,
as
you
noticed
from
many
of
our
committee
members
who
had
questions,
we
all
are
very
supportive
of
your
efforts
and
just
let
us
know
what
else
we
can
do,
and
I
will
also
be
chatting
with
senator
greg
cuccia
to
see
what
else
we
can
do
to
assist
with
those
smaller
rural
communities
and
make
sure
that
we
can
get
that
count
up.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
We
see
you,
it
may
take
a
moment.
There
may
be
a
lag
for
the
here.
We'll
wait
for
your
presentation
is
important.
I
I
I
Thank
you.
Well,
I
wanted
to
start
by
thanking
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
and
fellow
committee
members
for
give
me
the
opportunity
to
come
and
speak
to
you
today.
My
plan
is
to
actually
sort
of
walk
you
through
the
2020
census,
redistributing
data
program,
because
I
think
it
will
give
you
a
good
idea
of
the
work
that
michael
and
his
team
has
been
doing
with
the
census
bureau
to
help
prepare
the
data
for
the
2020
census.
I
Redistricting
data
release
coming
next
year,
and
then
it
will
also
probably
address
some
of
the
questions
you
already
have,
but
then
maybe
lay
the
foundation
for
some
additional
questions
that
you
may
want
to
ask.
So
the
the
mission
of
the
census,
redistricting
data
program,
is
spelled
out
in
public
law
94-171.
I
This
was
passed
back
in
1975
when
the
states
sort
of
banded
together,
because
they
realized
that,
with
the
advent
of
one
person,
one
vote
and
with
the
passage
of
the
voting
rights
act,
they
just
didn't
have
the
the
data
that
they
needed
and
that
the
granularity
that
they
needed
to
do
the
work
of
legislative
redistricting.
I
So
what
that
law
did
is
it
spelled
out
a
few
things
that
the
census
bureau
is
required
to
do
one
is
we
have
to
establish
a
program
that
allows
the
states
to
identify
the
geographic
areas
for
which
they
need
census
data
for
conducting
their
work,
and
this
has
been
historically
defined
as
by
the
states
as
census
tabulation
blocks.
Those
are
the
small
species
of
geography
for
which
the
census
bureau
provides
data
and
we
call
them
sometimes
offhand.
I
We
call
them
the
legos
there's
every
other
piece
of
geography
that
we
produce
is
built
from
census
blocks.
Also
voting
districts
have
been
identified
as
being
important
building
blocks
for
legislative
redistricting.
So
we
make
a
offer
an
optional
program
for
states
to
provide
those
and
then,
of
course,
legislative
and
congressional
districts,
because
it's
important
that
we
provide
statistics
on
legislative
districts
and
congressional
districts,
so
that
folks
can
understand
the
community
that
they're
representing.
I
So
the
program
requires
me
to
work
with
the
states
to
establish
the
criteria
for
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
Geographic
exchange
identify
what
needs
to
go
into
those
tabulations,
but
one
of
the
most
important
parts
of
it
is
that
we're
required
to
conduct
that
program
in
a
non-partisan
manner,
and
we
do
so
by
reaching
out
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
program.
So
this
was
back.
In
2015
we
sent
a
letter
to
the
governor.
I
And
so
that's
how
we
ended
up
with
michael
as
our
our
official
liaison
to
the
program
and
we've
worked
with
them
throughout
the
decade
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them.
I
Well,
after
the
delivery
of
the
data
and
you'll
see
why,
as
I
as
I
go
through
the
presentation,
then
the
final
duty
of
my
office
is
to
make
sure
that
we
get
that
data
to
the
officials
with
responsibility
for
legislative
apportionment
or
districting
in
each
state,
which
we
identify
as
both
the
legislative
leadership
of
both
parties
in
both
chambers,
but
also
any
redistricting
commissions.
That
may
exist
if
they
have
members
already
established.
I
And
of
course
the
governor
is
also
a
required
recipient,
and
we
have
to
do
that
by
no
year
no
later
than
one
year
from
census
day,
which
would
be
april
1st
to
2021
according
to
the
current
statute,
and
so
what
we
did
for
the
2020
census
is
very
similar
to
what
we
did
in
2010.
We
set
up
a
multi-phase
program.
I
We
had
the
block
boundary
suggestion
project
the
voting
district
project,
that's
the
the
geographic
portion
of
the
program.
We
have
the
data
delivery,
that's
the
part
where
we've
got
coming
up
and
then,
of
course,
getting
those
legislative
and
congressional
districts
into
the
census
universe.
So
we
can
provide
you
with
valuable
statistics
and
information
about
those
districts
and
then,
finally,
the
the
evaluation
of
the
program
I'll
go
through
each
of
these
in
just
a
little
more
detail.
I
I
The
census
bureau
creates
the
those
legos
those
blocks
with
a
very
specific
idea
in
mind,
and
then
we
create
them
in
order
to
help
us
with
enumeration,
but
political
geography
sometimes
has
different
a
different
need.
So
the
example
I
like
to
use
is
that
for
the
census
bureau,
a
street
center
line
is
a
great
block
boundary.
B
E
I
But
we've
expanded
the
program
to
allow
for
other
geographic
adjustments
that
might
be
important.
We
allowed
them
the
liaisons
to
provide
updates
to
area
landmarks.
These
were
state
parks.
They
could
also
delineate
prison
areas,
anything
that
was
of
interest
to
the
state.
The.
E
I
To,
and
so
we
did,
that,
every
time
we
we
send
out
the
new
data
we
provided,
this
is
what
the
blocks
would
look
like
if
the
blocks
were
made
today,
so
they
had
that
as
as
sort
of
part
of
the
base
to
to
evaluate,
and
then
something
that's
been
asked
for
since
the
beginning
of
the
program,
but
because
it's
handled
under
a
legal
authority
with
another
program,
the
boundary
annexation
survey
is
updates
to
legal
boundaries.
This
is
your
incorporated
places
your
county
boundaries,
your
state
boundaries.
E
That,
then,
the
boundary
annexation
survey
would
investigate
with
the
legal.
G
Precincts
rewards:
this
is
sort
of
our
umbrella
term.
For
this,
knowing
that
these
are
variable,
we
did
actually
an
initial
delineation,
and
then
we
did
two
rounds
of
verification,
one
of
which
just
ended
this
year.
We
finished
processing
those
this
summer
into
the
the
geographic
database
that
the
census
bureau
is
going
to
use
to
produce
data.
G
I
They
can
also
not
only
provide
those
precincts
and
mortgage
boundaries,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
we
give
you
data
for
those
areas,
but
they
could
add
new
features
that
were
needed
or
correct,
misaligned
features
they
could
update
those
area
landmarks,
as
I
mentioned,
and
also
continue
to
suggest,
updates
legal
boundaries
and
now
here's
where
we
get
to
the
part
that
people
are
probably
most
interested
in,
because
this
is
the
part
that's
coming
up.
E
E
We
posted
these
to
the
web,
and
we
also
delivered
these
to
the
the
legislative
leadership
in
february
and
march
of
2019,
and
these
are
a
demonstration
data
set.
So
you
can
see
what
we
you
can
expect
to
get
when
the
2020
census
starts
delivering
its
data.
Now,
this
data
is
only
for
providence,
rhode,
island,
because
that's
where
the
2018
end-to-end
test
was
conducted,
but
it
does
have.
I
The
the
structure
and
the
fields
and
the
types
of
information
that
you
can
expect
it
to
receive
so
for
the
official
delivery
it
was
mentioned
in
guillermo's,
talk
that
we
had
an
original
plan
and
that
we're
actually
working
on
a
new
plan
at
the
moment
for
the
official
delivery
of
both
the
geographic.
B
Our
original
plan,
we
were
going
to
try
to
have
the
geography
out
between
november
20th
and
february
1st,
and
then
the
registering
data
would
be
february
18th
to
march
31st
of
2021,
with
the
changes
that
we're
running
into
due
to
covid
and
then
also
trying
to
get
our
apportionment
delivery
back
onto
our
statutory
requirement.
I
We
are
still
working
to
to
sort
out
how
we're
going
to
put
this
schedule
together
to
be
able
to
meet
the
statutory
deadline
for
getting
that
redistricting
data
to
the
states
no
later
than
april
1st
of
2021..
We
think
we
can
do
it.
We
just
haven't
linked
all
the
partnership
together.
B
Yet,
to
show
that
we
can
do
it,
and
so
that's
why
I
just
have
the
little
asterisks
and
we're
still
a
little
phrasing
things
a
little
bit
as
to
to
be
determined.
But
our
goal
and
our
charge
has
been
to
develop
a
schedule
that
will
get
us
there
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
working
through
that.
We
wanted
to
get
the
apportionment
schedule
to
be
solid
before
we
could
move
on
to
the
registering
schedule
which
we
have
now
begun
to
do.
B
So
what
will
be
in
those
products?
The
the
primary
one
that
folks
who
redistrict
at
the
state
level
will
be
interested
in
are
the
shapefiles.
That's
the
geographic
boundary
files
for
geographic
information
systems.
This
is
the
the
primary
mapping
files
that
the
census
bureau
produces.
We
do
also
produce
maps.
These
are
pdf
maps.
K
These
are
large
scale
maps.
It
can
be
printed
on
plotters.
We
have
multiple
kinds:
we
have
a
county
block
map
which
shows
counties
with
every
block
within
the
county.
We
have
a
state
legislative
with
voting
district
map
which
shows
sort
of
the
relationship
between
voting
districts
in
the
state
legislative
district.
We
have
a
tract
map.
You
heard
that
being
mentioned
as
a
important
piece
of
geography
when
they
were
talking
about
the
response
rates.
K
B
K
Makes
up
my
city,
you
have
a
listing
of
all
those
blocks
available
to
you.
This
can
be
helpful
if
you're
working
with
the
data
and
you're
trying
to
work
with
it
outside
of
the
geographic
information
system,
you're
just
interested
in
looking
at
things
from
a
tabular
standpoint
and
then
we're
going
to
have
something
called
block
to
block
relationship
files.
This
is
a
crosswalk
between
the
2010
blocks
and
the
2020
blocks.
K
Each
decade
we
essentially
throw
out
the
previous
decades
blocks
and
we
regenerate
new
ones
because
of
the
enormous
amount
of
change,
both
positionally
and
accuracy
from
our
database,
but
also
growth
in
localities
across
the
country.
So
we
create
new
blocks,
but
we
do
create
this
file
so
that,
if
you
need
to
crosswalk
data
for
one
reason
or
another,
you
can
link
the
2010
to
the
2020
blocks
with
those
relationships.
K
K
This
is
occupancy
status,
which
means
vacant
or
occupied,
so
it's
a
count
of
housing
units
and
then
with
their
designation
of
whether
they
were
considered
occupied
or
vacant
at
the
time
of
enumeration,
and
so
all
of
those
tables
are
what
we
put
in
the
2010
product
that
that
you
may
have
used
last
decade.
K
We
do
have
a
new
table
of
the
second.
It's
a
group
quarters
population
by
group
quarters
type.
This
is
just
for
total
population,
but
identifies
the
number
of
people
in
the
group
quarters
by
the
group
quarter:
type
for
correctional
institutions
for
adults,
nursing
homes,
military
housing,
college
or
student
university
housing.
K
These
made
what
we
call
major
group
quarters
types.
This
is,
as
I
mentioned,
only
for
total
population.
There's.
No
demographic
breakdown,
but
all
of
these
tables,
including
the
group
quarters
table,
will
be
available
at
the
individual
census
block
level,
so
it'll
be
available
at
the
finest
geographic
level
possible.
K
The
group
quarters
table
was
added
this
decade
because
there
are
several
states
like
nevada,
but
but
there
are
many
others
that
actually
move
populations
from
group
quarters
to
a
previous
address
or
an
alternate
address
before
they
create
the
data
from
which
they're
going
to
conduct
their
redistricting.
I
believe
it's
nine
states
now
do
this
for
prisoners.
K
The
other
table
universe
would
be
for
the
total
population
18
years
and
over,
so
that
just
shows
you
that
the
people
reflected
in
this
table
are
based
on
this
universe
and
then
it
goes
through
and
it
has
whatever
respondents
have
indicated
as
their
race.
So
if
they
indicated
just
one
race,
they
ended
up
in
the
population
of
one
race
and
then
they
have
the
race
category
in
which
they
picked.
K
If
they
chose
two
rare
races,
they
end
up
in
the
population
of
two
races
and
then
they
have,
whichever
combination
of
those
races
they
picked,
and
we
iterate
this
all
the
way
through
until
we
get
to
someone
who
has
decided
to
choose
all
six
possible
race
categories,
so
that-
and
that
gives
you
63
total
possible
entries
in
the
table.
K
So
then
we
have
something
very
similar
for
the
hispanic
or
latino
and
not
hispanic
or
latino
by
race
tables
and
the
one
for
the
voting
age
population
again.
This
is
the
total
population
and
the
total
population
18
and
over
the
difference
here
is:
if
someone
declared
their
ethnicity
as
being
hispanic
or
latino,
they
get
counted
in
the
very
top
record
there.
Where
it
says
hispanic
or
latino,
and
then
all
those
people
who
chose
not
hispanic
or
latino
are
iterated
by
race
all
the
way
through
those
six
or
more
races.
K
And
then
for
the
final
two
tables,
as
I
mentioned,
they're
much
simpler,
you
have
the
occupancy
status.
This
is
just
a
total
count
of
housing
units
and
then
a
breakdown
of
which
ones
are
occupied
which
were
vacant,
and
then
the
group
quarters
population,
which
is
just
the
total
population
that
lives
in
group
quarters,
and
then
it's
broken
into
these
different
types
of
group
quarters
for
folks
to
work
with
now
how's
this
data
going
to
be
delivered.
K
We
have
a
very
sort
of
official
delivery
process
to
ensure
that
we're
meeting
our
legal
requirement
to
deliver
the
data
to
the
official
recipients
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
official
recipients
are
defined
in
the
law
as
the
governor
and
then
those
with
the
initial
responsibility
for
legislative,
redistricting
and
apportionment
which
we've
interpreted
over
time
to
mean
the
legislative
leadership
in
each
chamber
and
any
registered
commissions
that
have
been
established
and
have
commissioners
named
we'll
be
doing
two
methods
of
delivery
for
this
official
for
the
official
recipients.
The
first
is
we'll
be
overnighting
physical
media.
K
This
is
going
to
be
a
case
that
has
a
dvd
and
a
flash
drive
in
it.
They'll
both
have
the
exact
same
data
on
them.
We're
only
reason
we're,
including
both
is
because
I
know
that
at
the
census
bureau,
as
we've
upgraded
our
equipment,
our
dvd
drives
have
begun
to
disappear.
So
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
access
to
dvd
drives.
So
we're
we're,
including
both
types
but
it'll,
contain
the
same
information.
It
will
also
have
software
on
there
that
runs.
That
does
not
need
to
be
installed.
K
So,
even
if
you
have
a
security
restrictions
on
your
work,
laptop
you'll
still
be
able
to
run
this.
It
runs
in
just
in
random
memory,
and
you
can
use
this
software
to
ex
review
and
then
extract
some
of
the
data
from
the
disk
to
make
it
easier
to
use
so
we'll
mail
that
overnight,
we'll
also
be
signing
for
the
official
recipients
up
in
advance
for
what
we
call
embargoed
access
to
our
data.census.gov.
K
If
you're
a
census
data
user,
you
would
know
that
we
used
to
have
a
tool
called
american
factfinder.
That's
been
replaced
by
the
data.census.gov
platform,
and
so
we
will
allow
people
to
sign
up
for
this
embargo
to
access
and
the
morning
that
these
physical
media
are
supposed
to
be
showing
up
in
in
the
mailboxes
of
the
official
recipients,
will
turn
on
the
switch
and
allow
them
to
also
access
this
embargoed
version
of
data.census.com.
K
This
will
require
them
to
pre-register,
so
we're
going
to
work
with
them
in
the
lead
up
to
that
release
to
make
sure
that
they
have
that
access.
If
they
should
choose
to
want
it,
then
we're
going
to
also
confirm
that
it's
been
received.
We
can
see
when
people
have
logged
into
that
web
tool,
so
we'll
make
a
phone
call,
make
sure
that
they've
been
able
to
access
the
data.
K
If,
when
the
mail
hits
the
mail
room-
and
we
see
that
the
tracking
number
tells
us
it's
been
delivered,
we'll
be
doing
a
phone
call
to
make
sure
that
that
package
has
been
received
just
so,
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
that
obligation
then
24
hours
later,
we'll
flip
the
switch
again,
and
this
data
will
all
be
released
to
the
public
it'll
go
out
on
the
data.census.gov
platform.
This
gives
the
full
data
explorer
functionality.
K
We
have
set
that
definition
as
being
all
blocks
within
state
for
all
the
tables
in
the
pl
file.
So
all
of
the
information,
all
those
tables
I
talked
about
for
all
the
blocks
and
even
the
largest
state
can
be
downloaded
all
at
once.
Using
this
tool,
we
will
also
have
a
text
version
of
the
files
that
we
call
for
expert
users
they're
the
summary
file
structure.
K
These
are
require
people
to
sort
of
do
some
processing
and
put
them
into
a
database
and
do
some
linking.
So
that's
why
we
say
it's
for
expert
users,
but
it
provides
the
full
breadth
of
the
product.
It
has
every
piece
of
geography,
it's
all
in
there,
so
that's
also
going
to
be
available,
and
those
were
the
only
thing
that
I
mentioned
here
is
that
their
pipes
limited
this
decade
to
try
to
make
them
a
little
easier
to
use.
There
used
to
be
a
combination
of
a
fixed
wave.
K
I'm
not
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
you
know
we
we
will
be
reaching
back
out
through
the
liaison
to
collect
the
118th
congressional
districts
and
the
2022
state
legislative
districts,
because
we're
going
to
want
to
get
those
into
our
our
database.
We
will
create
new
products
from
those
so
that
people
can
understand
the
profiles
of
the
districts
that
they
represent
and
will
continue
through
the
american
community
survey
to
provide
updated
statistics
each
year
for
those
geographies
and
then.
K
Finally,
we
will
do
a
review
and
evaluation
to
make
to
see
how
the
program
was
conducted,
where
we
thought
we
had
successes
but
really
to
get
the
state's
point
of
view,
and
also
to
identify
things
that
have
changed
the
legal
landscape
or
in
the
way
that
redistricting
is
conducted
to
make
sure
we
capture
all
that
as
we
go
ahead
and
start
formulating
the
plan
for
the
2030
census,
the
the
work
never
stops
it
just
changes
which
phase
we're
in
so
I
want
to
talk
about
a
couple
other
products
that
are
associated
with
the
registration
data
and
the
voting
rights
office
that
I
manage.
K
One
is
the
citizen
voting
age
population
by
race
and
ethnicity.
This
is
an
annual
tabulation
that
we've
created
from
the
american
community
survey
five-year
estimates.
We
started
this
in
2011
at
the
request
of
the
department
of
justice
and
then
they
requested
it
in
2012,
and
then
they
requested
it
in
2013.
So
we
just
asked
them
say
if
you
want
this
every
year,
just
let
us
know,
and
they
did
so.
My
office
took
it
on
as
a
an
annual
publication,
and
so
we
put
out
the
special
tabulation
each
year.
K
We've
done
this
for
the
last
decade
and
usually
release
it
in
the
first
week
of
february.
The
idea
is
that
this
provides
the
data,
that's
necessary
for
doing
section,
2
analysis
under
the
voting
rights
act,
and
so
this
is
sort
of
the
the
way
the
content
of
that
file
looks
for
the
2020
census.
K
We
are
using
administrative
records
to
create
this
file,
we're
going
to
use
the
2020
census
frame
so
that
we'll
have
the
the
advantage
of
using
the
full
enumeration
of
the
united
states
and
we'll
be
able
to
create
this
file
and
release
it
along
the
same
timeline
as
the
registering
data.
So
when
we
get
those
schedules
ironed
out
as
to
when
we're
gonna
get
the
redistricting
data
out,
this
should
fall
in
line
with
those
schedules.
K
The
main
difference
for
between
the
one
that's
from
the
american
community
survey
and
the
one
that
we're
doing
from
administrative
records.
There's
two
and
they're
highlighted
here
in
in
bold
with
the
asterisks
one
is:
we
are
using
the
version
of
our
our
race
coding.
That
includes
some
other
race
alone.
The
american
community
survey
does
not
use
that
that
category,
but
the
decennial
census
does
so.
K
We
are
including
that
in
the
data
that
we
release
so
that
it's
more
compatible
and
folks
can
work
with
that,
to
make
it
a
little
easier
and
then
because
we're
doing
this
from
the
full
enumeration,
we
can
actually
create
this
at
the
block
level.
We
don't
have
to
to
keep
it
at
the
block
group
level
like
we
do
at
the
american
community
survey
and
then.
K
Finally,
I
wanted
to
to
mention
to
you
something
that
we're
doing,
because
I
know
that
nevada's
a
state,
that's
interested
in
the
the
prisoner
reallocation
for
prior
to
conducting
redistricting
and
the
census
bureau
did
analysis
and
study
of
our
residence
rule
criterion
situations
leading
up
to
the
2020
census.
K
But
after
all
that
work,
the
census
determined
that
the
the
concept
of
usual
residences
established
in
the
census
act
of
1790
really
indicates
that
we
should
be
counting
prisoners
at
the
correctional
facility.
But
we
do
recognize
that
there
are
many
states
now.
I
think,
nine
that
have
created
a
statutory
requirement
to
count
the
the
prisoners
at
a
pre
pre-incarceration
address,
and
so
we
are
trying
to
offer
a
tool
tools
to
assist
states.
One
of
them
you
already
saw
that
was
adding
the
group
quarters
table
to
the
registration
data.
K
B
Landing
page
about
redistricting
and
our
geocoding
service
with
how
to
use
it,
my
office
will
work
work
with
you
to
help
you
or
help
whoever
you
have
working
on
this
project
work
with
it.
If
they
choose
to
work
with
it,.
F
It
uses
a
public
geocoding
service
that
we
have
out
now.
So,
if
folks
want
to
practice
with
it,
they
can
go
to
our
geography,
division
website
of
sub
website
of
the
census.gov
and
work
with
that,
and
the
external
version
does
have
a
10
000
address
limit
for
people
using
it
from
the
public
side.
That's
a
performance
issue!
F
F
They
can
submit
that
through
a
secure
web
incoming
module
that
we
have
at
census.
So
it
comes
to
us
securely.
We
will
run
it
against
the
same
external
geocoder
that
you
would
have
run
it
if
you're
on
the
outside,
but
we'll
run
it
on
the
server
side.
So
you
don't
have
those
limitations
you're
not
doing
something
over
an
ip
call
and
return,
then,
when
that
list
is
done
running
we'll
send
this
back
through
our
secure
email
transfer
service,
and
this
is
address
agnostic.
F
So
if
you
find
the
need
to
move
military
or
students
or
prisoners,
it
can
be
used
for
any
of
those.
F
We
are
going
to
have
some
requirements
around
it
that
we
have
to
do
to
keep
this
out
of
what
we
call
our
title.
13
arena,
so
the
the
submitted
addresses
have
to
be
pre-formatted
by
the
person
submitting
them
to
the
census
bureau.
We
will
have
very
specific
instructions
on
how
that
will
be
done
and
then,
when
we
return
the
file,
it'll,
add
x,
y
coordinates
and
the
associated
geography.
So
it'll
tell
you
what
county
track
block
those
addresses
are
in.
F
F
F
It
doesn't
change
the
official
accounts
that
the
census
bureau
provides.
It
does
not
link
to
our
person
records,
so
we
don't
match
those
addresses
to
individual
people
in
our
records.
We
just
match
the
address
to
the
geographic
location
if
possible,
and
we
can't
use
it
against
an
internal
geocoding
system.
We
have
to
use
the
one
that's
available
to
the
public
so
when
we
submit
it
on
the
server
side,
we'll
be
submitting
it
to
that
same
version,
but
it
does
help
you
because
it
will
allow
you
to
verify
or
identify
the
location
of
the
gqueues.
F
You
can
geocode
the
gqueues
make
sure
that
we
have
them
in
the
right
blocks
or
or
find
them.
If
we
didn't,
we
can
use
the
the
gq
address
list
and
then
your
defined
unique
identifiers
so
that
you
can
create
your
own
tabulation
adjustment
tables,
and
then
you
can
also
by
having
that
unique
identifier.
If
you
have
information
like
race,
ethnicity
or
itch
data,
that
is
important
for
your
adjustments,
you'll
be
able
to
use
this
most
of
the
states.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
whitehorn,
and
we'll
go
to
our
first
question
on
assemblywoman
howdy.
Thank
you.
So
much
chair
just
a
quick
question
because
you
were
covering
how
we
were
countering
counting
an
incarcerated
person.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
heard
you
correct.
F
Could
you
cover
that
again
how
incarcerated
persons
are
going
to
be
counted
for
the
apportionment
the
census
bureau
uses
the
concept
of
usual
residence,
which
and
in
our
review
of
our
residence
criterion
situations
determined
that
prisoners
should
be
counted
at
the
prison
in
which
they're
located?
F
So
my
question
is:
that's
in
complete
contrast
to
assembly
build
450
that
we
passed
in
the
2019
legislative
session.
How?
How
is
that
going
to
work
because
assembly
bill
450
requires
them
to
be
counted
at
their
last
knowing
place
of
residence
right?
So
that's
a
state
statute
and
so
that'll
be
the
responsibility
of
the
state
to
institute
whatever
data
adjustments
that
they
need.
That
was
the
description
of
the
geocoding
service
is
one
tool
that
they
could
use
to
help
them
with
that
work.
F
But
what
the
state
will
have
to
take
those
their
prison
records
and
make
the
choices
about?
How
do
we
reassign
these
people
and
identify
which
geography
to
which
they
should
be
assigned
and
then
create
a
new
base
layer
of
data?
Because
we
that's
looked
at
as
a
is
a
state
statute
requirement,
as
opposed
to
the
ones
that
the
census
bureau
has
to
operate
under.
F
B
G
Just
that
a
starting
point
that
we
would
then
modify
based
on
our
our
state
statutory
structure
that
that's
a
a
very
good
way
of
putting
it
that's.
This
is
not
something
that's
completely
new
in
2010
new
york
and
maryland.
Both
went
through
this
exercise.
G
Delaware
was
supposed
to,
and
then
they
passed
subsequent
legislation
to
delay
that
until
the
2020
census,
but
maryland
actually
did
that
work
and
they
created
a
new
base
layer
of
data
from
which
localities
and
the
state
were
supposed
to
use
to
do
their
redistricting,
and
they
did
actually
have
to
go
to
court
and
they
went
to
the
supreme
court
and
the
supreme
court
said
that
the
work
that
they
had
done
was
appropriate.
G
Yes,
madam
chair,
I
thank
you,
mr
white.
I
I
just
had
a
question
again.
I
I
mentioned
this
during
the
previous
presentation,
so
the
white
house
issued
a
memorandum
in
july
on
excluding
undocumented
immigrants
from.
F
The
apportionment
base-
and
I
didn't
see
any
reference
to
that
in
your
presentation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
and
clarify
that.
Currently
there
are
no
plans
for
the
census
bureau
to
do
that
in
its
data
delivery.
Is
that
correct?
G
H
The
end
of
march,
it
may
be
a
little
earlier
than
that,
but
we
should
definitely
have
it
by
the
end
of
march
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
other
questions.
H
I
don't
see
or
hear
anyone
jumping
in
so
thank
you,
mr
whitehorn.
We
really
appreciate
your
presentation
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
in
touch
as
we
move
through
this
process
over
the
next
months.
F
And
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
number
six,
and
this
is
considerations
for
legislators
on
discussion
of
reapportionment
and
redistricting
effects
on
local
election
administration,
and
we
have
two
speakers,
joe
gloria,
who
is
the
clark
county,
registrar
of
voters
and
deanna
specula
from
the
washoe
county
registrar
of
voters,
and
I
believe,
miss
specula
is
starting
first,
followed
by
mr
gloria
and
when
you're
ready.
Please
begin.
F
All
right,
I
think
you
can
hear
me,
I'm
I
think
my
videos
are
also
started
so
yeah.
Thank
you,
chairman
chairwoman,
woodhouse,
and
thank
you
for
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
speak
and
kind
of
give
a
county
or
local
election
official
perspective.
K
On
the
redistricting
process
and
how
it
impacts
how
we
administer
elections,
I
do
have
a
powerpoint
that
I'm
going
to
share.
If
you
give
me
a
moment
to
get
that
up
absolutely
absolutely.
We
wait
till
you
get
it
up
and
then
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
K
All
right,
so
my
intention
today
from
what
I
want
to
present
and
kind
of
go
over
with
those
involved
with
the
redistricting
process
and
drawing
those
district
lines,
is
kind
of
a
perspective
from
again
our
our
you
know
the
local
election
official
perspective-
and
I
I
provide
you,
know
some
visuals
to
kind
of.
Hopefully
people
understand
from
the
visuals
what
we
are
looking
at
and
what
we
have
to
do
when
we
receive
all
that
information
back
when
all
the
lines
are
redrawn.
H
Not
the
largest
as
far
as
area
wise
goes,
but
we
are
the
second
largest
as
far
as
population
goes
in
the
state
of
nevada.
This
is
some
basic
information.
We
have
slightly
more
registered
voters
than
what
appears
on
this
infographic
at
the
moment,
and
I
expect
you
know
as
we're
going
into.
B
We're
looking
at
you
know
going
over
the
300
000
registered
voters.
Mark
I
I
would
say,
if
not
by
the
end
of
this
year,
by
the
end
of
you
know
just
going
into
to
2021
the
number
of
districts
that
we
that
we
have
to
be
wary
of.
When
we're
doing.
B
When
we're
setting
up
election
districts,
we
have
71
in
washoe
county
so
for
for
my
office
and
what
washa
county
does
we
administer
elections
for
all
of
washoe
county
in
both
cities,
the
city
of
reno
and
the
city
of
sparks
the
main
district
lines
that
we
are
managing
during
a
redistricting
process
as
the
50
that
I
have
outlined,
and
we
do
have
other
districts
that
do
impact
our
county.
B
However,
most
of
you
know,
those
are
all
ones
that
are
either
multi-county
or
statewide
in
washoe
county
is
wholly
contained
within
those
districts.
So
when
those
lines
change,
usually
they
do
not
impact
us.
However,
you
know
with
growth
and
everything
you
know
it's
up
to.
You
know
they
could
potentially
impact
washoe
county
in
the
future
here.
So
this
is,
I
just
did
a
quick
infographic,
a
quick
screenshot
of
what
I
look
at
when
I'm
doing
district
and
and
precinct
work
in
our
county.
B
I've
been
doing
this
precinct
and
district
work
since
throughout
the
office,
even
though
I'm
now
the
registrar,
I
still
have
kept
this.
As
my
as
part
of
one
of
my
duties,
I
will
be,
of
course,
training
somebody
to
do
this
for
2021,
but
I
will
be
assisting
in
in
being
hands-on
with
this
process.
B
B
This
is
what
that
same.
District
looks
like
and
how
our
precincts
are
formed
through
those
all
those
lines
that
you
saw.
We
have
to
nest
our
precincts
within
the
boundaries
of
those
district
lines
again,
another
overlay
of
our
precincts
within
those
district
lines.
It's
a
little
bit
closer
shot
here,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
how
for
every
colored
line
that
you
see
on
the
the
the
map
on
the
left
side,
we
have
to
create
a
precinct
to
fit
within
that
that
boundary.
B
Some
of
the
things
that
make
it
hard
for
us
to
do
those
precincting
lines
and
and
district
lines
when
we're
working
with
them
is,
is,
as
you
can
see
here.
This
is
an
assembly
district
line
that
runs
basically
straight
through
houses
and
through
neighborhoods.
B
That
is
hard
for
us
to
to
work
with,
and
it's
it's
I
mean
we
can
do
the
work,
the
houses
that
are
split.
We
have
to
find
out
exactly
what
percentage
of
the
house
is
actually
in
a
certain
district
and
but
then
we
have
to
split
those
street
ranges
accordingly.
B
B
We
also
have
the
so
the
top
one's
kind
of
the
housing.
The
other
one
is,
of
course,
the
the
district
line
that
runs
straight
through
a
a
mobile
home
park
out
in
verdi.
B
Again,
that's
really
hard
to
determine
which
ones
end
up
in
the
city
and
which
one
this
is
a
city
boundary
by
the
way
which
ones
ended
up
in
the
city
and
which
ones
do
not
again
their
neighbors
on
the
other
side
and
a
lot
of
these
people
do
talk
and
they
know
each
other,
don't
understand
why
they're
you
know
somebody
gets
to
vote
on
a
city
of
reno
ward,
where
the
others
don't.
B
These
are
concerns
that
we
have
when
we're
when
we're
looking
at
how
we're
splitting
up
and
and
dealing
with
those
streets
as
they
go
through
district
lines,
so
challenges
that
are
that
we
have
at
a
local
level
limited
resources
and
technology
is,
of
course,
always
up
there
at
the
top
of
some
of
our
constraints
that
we
have.
B
We
do
not
have
an
integrated
system
with
our
gis
department,
so
when
they,
when
we
get
those
boundary
lines
and
where
we're
drawing
them,
I'm
moving
my
precinct
lines
and
my
district.
You
know
lines
to
match
the
the
redistricting
lines
that
are
given
to
us
when
we
receive
them
and
it's
a
manual
process
for
us
either
consolidating
or
creating
precincts
moving
and
splitting
street
ranges
for
so
people
are
in
the
correct
precincts
in
the
correct
districts
and
then
moving
those
voters
over
into
those
new
districts.
B
That's
a
manual
process
on
our
end.
It's
it's
very
time
consuming
and
it's
you
know
we're
basically
relying
on
human
eyes
and
us
telling
the
you
know
the
our
system.
What
we
believe
are
the
right
street
ranges
and
the
right
addresses
to
go
into
a
certain
district
by
precinct,
and
you
know
we
do
it
meticulously,
but
it
is
time
consuming
and
you
know
it's.
There
are
potentials
for
human
error
when
it
comes
to
moving
those
voters
into
those
new
districts.
B
For
for
us
precinct
boundaries
they
have
to
follow
visible
ground
features
or
extensions
of
those
visible
ground
features.
So
we
don't
use
census
blocks
for
when
we're
creating
precincts.
We
have
to
use
those
visible
ground
features,
so
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
within
the
the
constraints
of
the
district
boundaries.
B
The
the
precincts
must
be
composed
of
contiguous
territory
and
for
washoe
county.
We
don't
have
any
precinct
splits,
so
they
must
be
wholly
contained
within
district
lines,
and
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
to
be
wary
of
is
that
our
maximum
amount
of
voters
per
precinct
is
3
000.
B
So,
even
though
there's
some
areas
where
we
could
have
larger
precincts,
we
can't
we're
capped
at
that
three
thousand,
so
we
may
have
to
split
it
up
into
two
and
three
precincts
when
really
all
we
really
need
is
one
the
concern
about
polling
locations
and
people
being
assigned
polling
locations
based
on
their
their
precinct
and
their
their
and
those
boundaries.
That
is
we.
B
We
use,
vote
centers
much
like
clark
county,
so
we
don't
have
that
constraint
anymore,
so
we
could
actually
expand
our
precinct
boundaries
over
the
3000
cap
and
it
wouldn't
impact
how
many
people
are
assigned
to
a
polling
location
anymore.
We
don't
assign
precincts
to
polling
locations
anymore.
We
use
the
vote
center
model,
so
that
restriction
would
be
helpful.
B
Of
course,
that's
a
legislative
change
that
we'd
have
to
seek,
but
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
helpful
for
us
when
we're
doing
redistricting
that
you
know
if
we
weren't
capped
by
that
three
thousand,
we
could
actually
allow
a
precinct
to
grow.
B
Naturally,
especially
with
you
know,
it
just
allow
that
to
grow
and
not
have
to
worry
about
whether
or
not
we're
exceeding
a
a
cap
or
assigning
too
many
voters
to
one
polling
location
again
that
that
that
that
restriction
at
this
point
in
time
is,
is
not
really
necessary.
B
Some
of
the
things,
as
you
saw
from
some
I
might
go
back
just
to
see
some
of
these
maps.
We
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
why
a
precinct
is
so
small.
Why
do
I
have
precincts
that
do
not
have
any
voters?
Why
are
some
precincts
shaped?
They
wait
the
way
they
are
and
it's
it's.
The
answer
is
always
just
it's
by
the
the
district
lines
that
were
confined
so
like
if
you
just
in
this
example.
B
If
you
look
at
7550
on
the
screen
on
the
right
map,
that
is
a
a
small
just
island.
We
call
them
island
precincts
because
it's
just
one
sometimes
one
address,
maybe
two.
We
had
to
create
that,
though,
for
some
reason
that
the
district
lines
in
this
case
it's
a
city,
the
city
boundary,
does
not
extend
to
that
one
or
two
parcels
that
are
there
in
another
other
areas
we
have
designated,
we
have
to
precinct
every
single
inch
of
of
land
in
our
in
our
in
our
county.
B
So
there
are
a
lot
of
areas,
especially
to
the
north
of
washington
washoe
county
in
the
north
area.
We
just
don't,
there's
no
voters
there,
it's
just
land,
but
we
still
have
to
follow
fire
district
lines.
You
have
to
follow.
You
know
any
of
those
other
township
boundaries,
those
those
types
of
boundaries.
We
have
to
create
unique
precincts,
sometimes
first
for
nobody
nobody's
living
in
there
and
don't
see
any
growth
going
in
there,
but
we
still
have
to
create
those
different
precincts.
B
So
that's
where
we've
come
to
why
we
have
557
now
precincts
as
opposed
to
only
having
maybe
three
or
four
hundred.
So
with
that
I
mean
I
in
support
of
nesting
districts,
especially
assembly
districts,
in
the
senate,
districts
that
helps
eliminate
more
district
lines.
There's
sometimes
it's
a
a
difference
between
one
street,
whether
or
not
the
I
have
to
create
a
separate
precinct
based
on
an
assembly
in
the
senate
district
line.
B
It
could
be,
you
know,
a
couple
parcels
the
way
those
are
drawn
so
that
that
would
be
helpful.
I
think
at
a
local
level,
if
nesting
of
the
assembly
districts
into
the
senate
district
lines
or
if
there
was
some
kind
of
cooperation
when
drawing
those
lines,
would
be
helpful
for
us
maintaining
our
precinct
and
boundary
boundary
lines
and
the
voters
within
them.
B
Carrying
this
over
to
mr
gloria
for
his
input.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
go
to
mr
glorious
for
hit
gloria
for
his
presentation,
and
then
committee
members
will
have
questions
for
the
two
of
you.
So
thank
you,
mr
gloria
go
ahead.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chairwoman.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
and
share
some
information
with
you.
Deanna's
done
an
excellent
job
of
outlining
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
share.
So
I'll
keep
my
comments
short
and
give
you
some
information
generally
related
to
clark
county,
obviously
we're
the
largest
county
in
the
state
of
nevada.
B
By
the
time
we
reach
the
election
in
november
in
clark
county.
Obviously,
we
support
and
administer
the
elections
for
the
entire
county
to
include
the
cities
of
mesquite
north
las
vegas,
las
vegas,
henderson
and
boulder
city,
and
we
have
well
over
150
district
lines
that
we
have
to
manage
during
the
redistricting
process.
B
L
Within
a
precinct,
I
agree
with
deanna
as
far
as
the
the
maximum
number
of
voters
per
precinct.
It
is
currently
capped
at
3
000,
however,
in
in
clark
county
as
well,
we
utilize
the
vote,
centers
and
so
increasing.
That
number
could
possibly
help
us.
I
don't
know
how
that
would
affect
the
rural
counties.
However,
it
would
definitely
help
us
in
decreasing
the
number
of
precincts
that
are
required
to
define
as
a
result
of
redistricting.
L
Just
a
few
things
that
I
want
to
mention
as
well.
It's
very
important
that
we
have
coordination
from
the
state
level
to
our
local
gis,
we'll
be
working
and
working
in
collaboration
with
our
central
I.t
they'll,
be
providing
some
staff
and
some
guidance
to
us
to
help
us
in
the
election
department.
Once
we
get
into
the
redistricting
process
and
the
timeline,
it's
very
comforting
to
hear
that
the
census
district
looks
like
they
will
be
delivering
data
to
you
on
time,
according
to
what
their
timelines
described
in
their
presentation.
L
But
we're
anticipating
that
it's
going
to
take
a
minimum
of
eight
weeks
in
clark
county
to
go
through
the
redistricting
process,
we're
hoping
that
we
can
begin
that
work
sometime
in
october,
completing
in
november,
so
that
in
the
month
of
december,
we'll
be
fully
concentrated
on
making
all
of
the
changes
in
our
election
management
system
in
time
for
judicial
candidate
filing
which
starts
on
january.
L
The
timelines
here
are
also
critical
so
that
we
can
get
those
mailers
out
to
the
voters
in
january,
which
gives
us
enough
time
before
we
hit
the
90-day
period,
when
we
can't
make
changes
in
the
voter
registration
database
based
on
people
who
are
no
longer
in
clark
county
or
have
moved
and
not
notified
us.
So
all
of
that
timeline
information
is
very
important
to
our
process
in
preparing
for
the
2022
election,
and
with
that,
as
again,
I
compliment
deanna.
She
gave
a
ton
of
good
information.
L
L
I
wanted
to
ask
actually
of
of
of
both
of
our
presenters
with
respect
to
that
3
000
cap
to
just
we
don't
have
to
go
through
it
in
detail
today,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
follow
up
with
with
with
me
or
with
us
about
looking
at
any
changes
that
might
need
to
be
made
respecting
that
cap
to
make
it
a
more
practical
exercise
for
you
all.
L
As
far
as
precincts
go-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
we
obviously
need
to
make
sure
that
we
include
the
rurals,
we
don't
want
any
unintended
consequences,
but,
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
we
can
make
that
adjustment.
We
we
we
remain
ready
to
do
that.
Mr
glory
and
my
other
question
really.
L
My
question
was
with
respect
to
the
prison
inmate
population,
and,
if
you
were
listening
to
that
part
of
the
presentation
earlier,
is
that
an
adjustment
that
you
think
would
take
a
significant
amount
of
time
or
energy
to
count
folks
from
the
the
counties,
their
home
counties,
as
opposed
to
where
they're
incarcerated.
L
We're
definitely
going
to
have
to
have
some
coordination
with
our
gis
so
that
we
can
make
those
data
changes
in
the
system.
I
don't
know
at
this
point.
I
don't
have
information
related
to
how
challenging
that
will
be,
but
I'm
sure
it's
something
that
we
can
accomplish.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
can
understand
and
get
good
information
as
to
who
is
actually
incarcerated,
and
we
need
to
take
into
account
to
recognize
the
address
that
they
last
lived
at
to
properly
make
the
counts
in
these
precincts.
L
L
Deanna
makes
a
good
suggestion,
sir
there,
mr
speaker,
so
we
will
definitely
talk
about
it.
I
know
we'll
we'll
get
together
as
clerks
eventually,
when
this
election
is
over
and
that'll
be
something
we
talk
about.
L
Very
good,
thank
you.
Any
other
questions
from
committee.
B
B
M
Didn't
pull
up
the
statute,
but
just
wondering
now
that
is
just
a
that's
a
statutory
cap
of
3
000.
That
would
be
enlarging.
So
I
don't
I'm
struggling
to
see
what
impact
that
would
have
and
see
some
of
the
smaller
rural
counties.
B
M
No
sir,
I
I
believe
that
you're
accurate
in
in
disgrace.
It's
just
a
cap
of
three
thousand
voters
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
had
to
approach
that
three
thousand.
They
could
definitely
make
the
cap
smaller
in
those
rural
counties,
so
I
guess
I'd
have
to
think
about
it
a
little
further,
I'm
not
completely
aware
of
how
that
would
affect
the
rules.
M
M
It
would
really
just
be
an
advantage
to
the
larger
county
so
that
we
could
eliminate
the
need
to
create
additional
precincts
where
it's
not
necessary
due
to
the
density
of
the
growth
that
we
have
in
washoe
and
clark
county,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
necessarily
or
be
required
to
put
their
precincts
at
that
larger
maximum
number.
So
I
don't
know
that
it
would
have
an
impact,
but
I
would
definitely
put
that
to
to
them
to
answer
that
question.
M
They
may
think
of
something
that
I'm
not
thinking
of
unless,
unless
you
can
think
of
something
deanna,
I
can't
I
agree
with
you.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
the
number
of
precincts
that
those
smaller
rural
counties
administer.
M
I
think,
just
from
the
the
distribution
of
the
the
number
of
districts
that
they're
dealing
with
is
typically,
you
know
smaller,
so
I
don't
know
how
it
would
affect
them.
I
don't
see
a
downside
of
allowing
the
cap
to
grow
again,
as,
as
joe
just
mentioned,
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
have
to
consolidate
or
that
they
would,
they
would
be
required
to
make
use
of
larger
precincts.
M
M
So
again,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
would
impact
them,
but
then
just
being
allowed
to
let
our
precincts
naturally
grow
as
population
growth
grows
would
be
helpful
for
clark,
county
and
my
county,
and
I
don't
think
it
would
have
negative
impact
for
the
rural
counties,
but
I
I
would
like
to
hear
their
their
their
opinion
on
that
before
making
a
statement
for
them.
M
M
What
was
required
as
far
as
again,
whether
it
be
commissioner
district
trust
school
board
trustees
that
typically
shapes
it
more
in
the
rural
counties
than
than
true
population,
and-
and
I
don't
see
a
downside
in
say
that
three
going
to
five
or
whatever
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
M
I
don't
see
so
at
this
point,
what
we're
going
to
do.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
both
to
mr
gloria
and
to
ms
specula
for
your
presentations
this
morning
and
we'll
be
in
touch
with
you
on
some
of
the
things
that
you
might
need
to
have
as
well
as
getting
in
touch
with
some
of
the
rural
individuals
who
have
cons
concerns,
especially
about
the
3000
cap.
M
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
now,
we're
not
going
to
take
a
lunch
break,
so
I'm
going
to
take
a
10
minute
break
now
and
then
we'll
proceed
with
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
So,
according
to
my
phone,
it's
11
28.
So
we
will
be
back
at
11
38..
M
M
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone
back,
it
is
now
11
40
and
we
will
continue
on
with
our
agenda.
M
So
let
me
see,
I
think
we
have
most
everyone
back
now.
L
Number
seven-
and
this
is
an
overview
of
reapportionment
and
redistricting
activities
and
related
programs
monitored
by
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures,
and
we
welcome
wendy
underhill,
who
is
the
director
of
elections
and
redistricting
and
ben
williams,
who
is
the
policy
specialist
of
elections
and
redistricting?
Both
of
them
are
at
ncsl
and
they
are
joining
us
from
colorado,
so
welcome
to
both
of
you
and
please
begin
when
you're
ready.
L
Well.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
It
is
an
absolute
delight
to
be
here
with
you
ben
and
I
do
work
on
redistricting
and
elections.
He
primarily
on
the
redistricting
side
of
things,
and
he
will
do
most
of
the
presentation
today.
I
did
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
points
before
we
turn
it
over
to
him.
One
is
that
in
case
you
don't
know,
ncsl
is
the
nation's
bipartisan
organization,
supporting
the
work
of
legislators
and
legislative
staff
throughout
the
nation,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
that
staff
part
two.
L
L
Our
structure
is
bipartisan,
but
the
work
that
we
do
is
nonpartisan
and
that
work
involves
a
variety
of
different
things,
but
our
favorite
part
of
the
work
is
when
we
can
work
with
legislators
and
legislative
staff
directly
like
we
get
the
opportunity
to
do
today.
So
we
learned
a
lot
from
the
earlier
presentations,
particularly
the
local
perspective,
on
what
they
need
to
do
after
redistricting
and
before
those
candidate
filing
deadlines.
L
So
we
always
benefit
from
that,
but
the
bread
and
butter
kind
of
function
that
we
do
is
to
respond
to
information
requests
that
come
from
legislators
or
legislative
staff,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
when
we
do
get
those
kinds
of
requests
we
do
handle
them
confidentially,
so
we're
happy
to
support
anyone
and
whatever
their
questions
might
be,
let's
see
before
we
turn
it
over.
I
did
want
to
make
a
few
comments
about
the
census.
L
We
were
fortunate
to
hear
what
went
on
before
and
I
can
tell
you
that
we
get
to
work
with
mr
whitehorn
from
the
census
on
a
fairly
regular
basis.
He
presents
at
most
of
our
meetings
and
he
also
speaks
on
behalf
of
redistricters
in
the
census
bureau.
So
we
really
appreciate
that
that,
while
there's
competing
interests
on
how
census
data
should
be
used,
he
always
speaks
up
and
says
our
needs
are
statutorily
identified
and
we
appreciate
that.
L
In
fact
this
is
my
census
pin
and
he
provided
that
to
me
at
the
previous
meeting
when
we
were
together.
B
So
in
terms
of
the
census
and
redistricting,
what
I
thought
I
could
do
is
talk
about
what
other
states
are
thinking
and
because
these
things
might
or
might
not
be
appropriate
for
nevada
as
well,
and
the
first
thing
I've
been
hearing
is
that
states
want
certainty
on
when
the
data
will
be
delivered,
and
today
we
learned
that
it's
very
likely
with
an
asterisk,
but
very
likely
that
we'll
have
that
data
by
april
1st.
Now,
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
the
difference.
G
The
second
concern
I
hear
from
states
is
about
the
quality
of
the
data
that
will
be
provided
and
there's
always
some
question.
There's
no
such
thing
as
a
perfect
sense.
This
never
has
been
a
couple
of
things
that
are
on
people's
minds
this
year
are
whether
the
hard
to
count
populations
will
be
adequately.
L
Counted
and
that's
in
particular
in
regard
to
the
reduced
amount
of
non-response
follow-up
time
in
the
field,
but
there's
another
thing:
that's
a
little
more
arcane
and
that's
called
differential
privacy.
This
is
a
statistical
method
for
ensuring
that
everyone
who
responds
to
the
census
really
does
have
their
data
kept
secure
and
that
nothing
can
be
re-identified
after
the
fact
and
that's
a
laudable
and
appropriate
goal.
But
it's
a
little
bit
been
framed
up
as
if
there's
a
conflict
between
david
privacy
and
accuracy,
and
we
could
go
into
that
in
some
more
depth.
L
But
you
can
picture
that
if
you
would
let
all
information
about
every
person
out
you'd
have
complete
accuracy,
but
no
privacy,
and
if
you
just
said
nevada's
got
you
know
approximately
so
many
people,
then
that's
not
very
helpful
data.
The
legislative
leaders
in
colorado
and
utah
have
written
to
the
bureau
expressing
their
concerns
about
differential
privacy
and
ncsl
has
done
so
also
on
behalf
of
the
states
in
general,
happy
to
talk
about
this
further.
L
At
any
point,
I
think
at
this
point
the
bureau
is
doing
what
it
can
to
make
sure
that
the
effects
of
this
new
process
are
minimized.
L
But
it
does
lead
us
into
my
third
point,
which
is
that
I
think
it's
likely
we'll
have
more
litigation
on
the
census
in
this
decade
than
we
have
in
previous
decades
and
there's
always
been
some
litigation.
I
think
the
there
are
myriad
kinds
of
cases
already
in
the
works
on
a
variety
of
different
things,
and
I
imagine
that
there
will
be
additional
ones
on
data
privacy.
L
Excuse
me
on
data
accuracy,
and
that
will
mean
more
uncertainty
about
when
you've
got
the
data
that
you
can
go
forward
and
those
questions
about
the
timeline
will
just
get
all
the
more
intense
and
then
my
last
point.
I
think
you
don't
really
need
to
hear,
because
I
got
to
listen
to
you
all
talk
about
how
you're
doing
the
get
out
the
count.
Effort
in
nevada.
Just
reiterate
that
september
30th
is
the
last
day.
L
Support
as
well
as
as
community
support
behind
this,
that's
what
I
have
on
the
census.
If
it's
all
right
with
you
we'll
turn
it
right
over
to
ben,
to
talk
to
you
about
redistricting
and
then
we'll
take
the
questions
or
if
anyone
has
questions
now,
of
course,
I'm
happy
to
take
them
now
on
the
census,
stuff.
B
Yes,
we
can
okay,
wonderful,
thank
you.
So,
as
lindy
mentioned,
I'm
just
going
to
be
talking
briefly
about
redistributing
today.
My
understanding
is
that,
in
previous
meetings
of
this
committee,
you've
gotten
a
background
on
redistricting
before
so
I
apologize.
N
Additionally,
we've
had
federal
laws
on
race
and
redistricting
that
are
critically
important
to
comply
with
and
sometimes
are
in
conflict
with
one
another.
Those
mainly
include
the
voting
rights
act
and
the
racial
gerrymandering
doctrine
found
in
the
equal
protection
clause
of
the
14th
amendment,
and
then
I
think
it's
also
interesting
for
ncsl.
N
N
So
going
on
that
redistricting
models,
there
are
endless
options,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
emphasize
that
if
you
as
legislators
or
anyone
else
who
may
be
watching,
is
thinking
about
making
changes
to
redistricting
policy,
it's
important
to
look
at
a
state's
laws
as
a
whole
system
that
functions
as
one
not
to
focus
on
any
individual
parts.
It's
in
some
ways.
N
It's
analogous
to
a
car
if
you
change
the
tires
or
if
you
put
a
different
fuel
in
the
tank,
it
runs
slightly
differently,
even
if,
overall,
when
you
look
at
it
at
face
value,
it
looks
relatively
similar.
Every
change
makes
some
difference.
N
Too
far,
so
the
issues
that
ncsl
tracks
in
redistricting
are
primarily
the
map-making
authority
criteria,
the
rules
regarding
public
access
and
public
input
into
redistricting,
prisoner
reallocation,
which
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
prison,
gerrymandering,
major
litigation
and
the
outcomes
of
past
cycles.
All
of
these,
in
turn,
so
in
terms
of
map-making
authority
who
draws
the
lines.
This
is
probably
what
gets
the
most
attention
in
redistricting
nowadays,
and
this
is
commonly
a
distinction
between
commissioned
states
and
legislature
states
and
what
does
that
mean
exactly?
N
Well
typically,
as
I
have
on
the
screen
here,
it
means
the
states
that
have
the
primary
authority
to
redistrict.
So
when
2021
comes
around,
who
will
get
the
first
crack
at
drawing
so
and
the
vast
majority
of
states
as
you'll,
see
from
the
screen?
The
legislature
has
that
responsibility
in
36
states.
The
legislature
draws
the
state
legislative
plans
and
in
41
states
the
legislature's
draw
the
congressional
plans
and
then
in
the
commission
states
it's
14
and
9
respectively.
N
Now,
that's
just
primary
authority.
There
are
states
that
have
commissions
that
serve
as
a
backup
role
in
the
event
that
the
legislature
fails
to
draw
the
lines.
Some
examples
of
that
would
be
indiana
and
texas
have
backup
commissions,
and
then
some
states
have
advisory
commissions
which
don't
have
a
primary
or
a
backup
role,
but
merely
serve
to
advise
the
legislature
on
how
the
lines
are
drawn.
Those
are
particularly
prevalent
in
the
northeast
and
new
england.
N
They
do
exist
somewhat
in
other
states.
Utah
will
be
using
an
advisory
commission
for
the
first
time
in
2020,
one,
for
example,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
even
though,
in
terms
of
primary
plans,
only
36
states,
only
36
states
have
the
legislature
drawing
them
and
in
41
states
it's
for
congressional
plans.
N
These
are
the
rules
with
which
final
maps
must
comply,
so
in
nevada,
the
criteria
that
are
used
are
compactness,
which
is
a
measure
of
how
tight
a
district
is
that
can
be
spatial
or
population.
Although
typically
it's
used
as
a
spatial
measure
contiguity,
which
just
means
that
there
are
no
parts
of
the
district
that
are
wholly
isolated
from
other
parts.
It
is
possible,
in
theory,
to
walk
through
the
entire
district
and
then
preservation
of
political
subdivisions
that
could
mean
cities
and
towns.
N
Sometimes
in
state
laws
it
means
county
borders
are
meant
to
be
kept
whole.
It
can
also
mean
in
some
cases,
that
if
you
have
roads
there
that
they're
kept
together
the
preservations
of
the
cores
of
prior
districts.
That
means,
if
you
have
a
redistricting
plan,
you
don't
start
a
new
in
the
upcoming
the
new
cycle.
You
start
with
the
pre-existing
map
and
you
make
tweaks
from
there.
N
The
logic
behind
that
is
typically
contigue,
our
continuity
of
representation
and
then
the
last
thing
that
is
used
in
nevada
is
avoiding
pairing
incumbents,
which
is
a
criterion.
That
typically
means
that
you
cannot
use
redistricting
as
an
opportunity
to
put
two
incumbents
in
the
same
district
as
one
another
or,
if
it's
not
possible
to
do
so,
you
do
it
as
minimally
as
you
can,
and
then
there
are
some
emerging
criteria
that
have
been
adopted
in
some
other
states.
N
They
typically
relate
to
the
regulation
of
partisanship
and
redistricting,
so
some
states
have
prohibitions
on
favoring
or
disfavoring
incumbents
candidates
or
parties.
The
wording
varies,
but
in
general
that's
the
catch-all
way
to
describe
it.
A
few
states
prohibit
the
use
of
partisan
data.
This
actually
comes
in
detention
somewhat
with
the
voting
rights
act.
So
sometimes
this
is
directly
stated
in
statute,
except
where
necessary,
to
comply
with
the
voting
rights
act.
A
few
states
require
that
districts
be
competitive,
competitive
can
have
multiple
definitions.
N
Just
to
give
you
a
general
idea.
They
they
both
relate
to
the
idea
of
regulating
the
percentage
of
seats
that
a
party
will
win
based
on
its
statewide
vote
share.
Now
they
function
differently,
but
that's
a
general
example,
and
I
can
go
into
that
further
questions.
If
you're
interested.
N
Another
area
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
tracking
is
public
access
and
input,
so
who
else
has
a
say
in
the
redistricting
process
other
than
the
legislators
who
are
doing
it
or
the
commissioners
who
are
drawing
the
lines?
And
so
one
common
example
is
public
map
submissions?
Is
there
a
way
for
the
public
to
submit
a
map
to
a
state
legislative
portal?
Is
it
just
a
definition
of
what
that
submitter
considers
to
be
his
or
her
community
of
interest,
or
is
it
a
statewide
map?
N
Have
they
taken
the
time
to
draw
every
single
district
in
the
entire
state,
whether
for
a
state
house,
state
senate
or
the
u.s
house,
public
comment
and
testimony?
This
would
typically
mean
that
if
the
legislature
proposed
a
plan,
it
would
be
put
on
a
website
somewhere
or
would
be
taken
by
a
legislative
committee.
L
N
Of
the
public
can
comment
on
those
plans,
so
there
could
be
a
lot
of
comments.
As
you
can
see,
the
third
one
is
public
hearings
and
access
that
can
be
as.
E
N
And
driving
around
the
state
to
have
multiple
hearings
in
multiple
places
to
solicit
feedback
and
individual
regions.
The
fourth
thing
that
we
track
generally
is
notice.
Sometimes
what
I
wouldn't
say
sometimes,
but
the
default
generally
is
that
there
is
no
requirement
for
extra
notice
for
a
redistricting
plan
that
you
only
have
to
provide
as
much
notice
before
a
committee
vote
on
a
redistricting
plan
as
is
required
for
all
other
bills.
Some
states
require
extra
notice
for
redistricting
plans.
N
So
if
a
legislative
committee
were
to
vote
on
marking
up
a
plan
and
sending
it
to
the
floor,
they
would
have
to
provide
two
weeks
notice,
for
example
of
that
hearing
date,
so
that
people
could
come
in
time
and
testify
or
prepare
comments
of
their
own
and
then
the
last
one
is
citizen,
initiated
review.
This
is
slightly
different
than
the
others
generally.
N
Typically,
the
state
supreme
court
for
the
justices
or
judges
to
review
that
plan
for
its
compliance
with
state
laws,
and
that
is
fairly
common
throughout
the
us
and,
as
you
can
see
on
this
right,
this
is
a
point
that
I
really
wanted
to
highlight.
For
you,
we
have
a
screenshot
from
a
website
called
open
precincts.
N
This
is
part
of
a
network
of
open
source
web
tools
that
have
been
created
since
the
2010
redistricting
cycle
that
have
enabled
anyone
with
a
web
connection
to
be
able
to
draw
their
own
legally
compliant
plan
and
submit
it
to
legislators
if
they
want-
and
I
bring
this
up
to
you,
because
whether
or
not
any
state,
nevada
or
any
other
has
created
a
state
system
for
soliciting
public
comment.
N
Tools
like
this
exist
now
and
you
as
legislators,
who
will
be
undergoing
redistricting
next
year,
are
almost
certain
to
receive
public
comment
created
in
tools
like
this.
So
it's
just
something
that
you
should
be
aware
of,
and
you
might
want
to
speak
with
council
or
speak
with
members
of
your
legislative
staff
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
streamline
the
receipt,
because
these
files
tend
to
be
quite
large
and
it
could
be
advantageous
to
you
too,
to
have
some
system
in
place
when
it
inevitably
does
come.
N
So
you,
mr
whitehorn,
touched
on
this
earlier,
and
this
is
something
that
has
been
done
in
the
state
of
nevada.
So
I'm
not
going
to
spend
much
time
on
this
slide.
But
some
one
thing
that
we
do
track
is
the
growing
number
of
states
that
will
be
reallocating
prisoners
from
county
jails
and
penitentiaries.
To
their
last
note,
address
prior
to
incarceration
nevada
is
one
of
nine
states
that
currently
does
this.
N
N
That
goes
all
the
way
back
to
the
1960s
and
the
warren
court
cases
that
established
redistricting
as
a
justiciable
issue
at
the
u.s
supreme
court,
and
it
goes
all
the
way
through
to
the
partisan
gerrymandering
cases
at
the
u.s
supreme
court
that
were
decided
in
the
past
few
years,
and
we
have
a
web
page
on
that
on
our
website,
which
I'd
be
happy
to
direct
you
to
later.
That
has
all
of
the
case
summaries
for
all
of
these
cases.
N
The
second
thing
we
do
is
we
track
significant
challenges
to
maps
that
are
drawn
by
state
legislators
and
commissions
and
by
significant
I
mean
cases
that
reach
trial
or
are
settled,
and
that's
typically
because
there's
a
lot
of
litigation
around
redistricting.
N
Some
of
it
is
well-founded
and
merited,
and
it
makes
it
through
because
it
has
been
properly
drafted.
N
Not
all
of
it
is
sometimes
someone
brings
a
claim
that
has
no
basis
or
if
the
law
isn't
applicable
in
a
particular
circumstance,
we're
not
going
to
spend
the
time
capturing
that
we
try
to
keep
it
clean
for
our
members
so
that
they
only
see
the
cases
that
are
really
getting
to
the
core
issues
behind
a
map's
creation
and
then
the
third
thing
that
we
do
is
we
compare
the
success
of
commission
drawn
and
legislatively
drawn
maps
and
courts,
and
by
success
I
mean
the
ability
of
those
maps
to
survive
legal
challenges
throughout
the
past
few
decades.
N
We've
tracked
this
issue
and
in
general,
what
we
find
is
that
commission
maps
and
legislative
maps
survive
at
roughly
the
same
rate
that
I
mean
sometimes
in
one
decade
of
commission
commission
draw
maps
might
do
slightly
better
in
some
decades.
Legislative
maps
might
do
slightly
better,
but
on
the
whole,
if
you
average
it
out,
it's
roughly.
Even
one
important
caveat
I
will
make
to
that-
is
that
ncsl
does
not
differentiate
between
the
different
types
of
commissions
and
not
all
commissions
are
the
same
as
the
commission.
N
That's
used
in
your
neighbor,
california,
and
so
we
don't
have
a
comparison
between
the
commissions
that
are
similar
to
california
versus
legislative
maps
or
commissions
states
like
california,
and
commissioned
states
that
are
not
similar
to
california.
This
is
a
much
broader
overview.
N
So
the
key
takeaways
that
I
would
think
that
would
be
useful
for
you
to
have-
and
that
is
first
legislatures
still
predominate
in
terms
of
drawing
maps
but
commissions
are
gaining
ground.
The
number
of
commission
states
has
gone
up
this
decade.
It's
gone
up
in
every
previous
decade
and
I
would
expect
it
to
go
up
again.
N
N
There
are
several
redistricting
initiatives
on
the
ballot
this
fall,
so
that
number
may
change
slightly
once
we
calculate
the
overall
decade
of
the
2010s,
but
in
general
80
of
the
time
they
pass
and
legislatures
can
take
affirmative
steps
to
shore
up
public
confidence
during
the
redistricting
process.
This
is
there
are
lots
of
ways
we
can
do
that
I'd
be
happy
to
discuss
that
in
the
q.
A
but
some
examples
are
some
states
set
up
advisory
commissions
to
help
solicit
public
input
and
to
give
the
legislature
recommendations.
N
Some
states
create
portals
that
allow
the
public
to
submit
maps,
and
then
the
legislative
committee
responsible
for
redistricting
goes
around
the
state
and
solicits
public
input.
There
are
lots
of
steps
that
legislators
can
take,
but
this
is
a
topic.
That's
brought
up
to
us
frequently,
and
so
we
thought
it
would
be
important
to
include
it
in
our
takeaways
and
with
that,
madam
chair,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
over
to
wendy.
Underhill
is
going
to
offer
some
final
thoughts.
N
Thank
you
ben,
and
I
know
that
ben
is
stands
ready
to
answer
any
questions.
People
might
have
either
now
or
later,
but
I
thought
I
would
do
the
public
service
announcement
part
of
our
presentation
and
tell
you
about
the
resources
that
ncsl
can
offer
to
you,
and
the
first
is
redistricting
law
2020.
My
copy
is
already
quite
beaten
up.
This
is
available
free
to
legislators
or
legislative
staff,
and
I
think
michael
stewart
may
have
some
of
those
available
for
you.
N
It
was
up
to
date
as
a
a
year
ago,
and
it
was
things
have
changed
since
then,
but
not
very
much
so
grab
one
of
those
michael
also,
I
believe,
provided
some
pdfs
on
our
resources.
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
then
I
want
to
say
that
we
were
planning
on
having
a
three-day
meeting
in
las
vegas
in
may
to
do
nothing
but
redistricting
for
people
from
throughout
the
nation,
and
you
know
what
happened
to
that
plan.
So
we
were
not
able
to
enjoy
your
fabulous
state.
N
So
I'm
disappointed
about
that
and
of
course
we
haven't
been
able
to
reschedule
it
either.
Instead,
what
we
did
was
put
together
a
series
of
12
webinars
that
sort
of
took
all
the
content
that
was
going
to
be
at
that
meeting
and
packaged
it
into
digestible
one
hour
chunks,
so
it
12
hours
sounds
enormous.
If
you
do
it
one
hour
at
a
time,
it's
not
quite
so
bad.
So
that's
one
option
for
you.
We
are
also
planning
another
kind
of
an
online
event.
N
We
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like
yet
for
january.
So
if
any
of
you
have
particular
things
you'd
like
us
to
focus
on
during
that
by
all
means,
let
us
know
what
would
be
good
content
for
that,
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
offer
is
that
we
have
piloted
in
one
state
which
was
new
york,
a
state
specific
training,
and
we
did
this
on
line
two.
N
It
was
about
five
hours
of
content
and
we
had
experts
from
around
the
nation
which
we
recorded
talking
about
some
of
the
key
points,
such
as
public
input,
a
little
bit
more
in
depth.
That's
been
mentioned.
The
federal
and
the
state
criteria
also
mentioned
something
we
didn't
talk
about
today
is
whether
your
maps
will
be
scrutinized
by
outside
people
using
statistical
and
sampling
methodologies,
and
what
does
that
mean?
N
So
if
you
find,
as
you
go
about
preparing
that
would
be
useful
to
go
in
more
depth,
we
can
provide
not
just
the
expertise
that
ben
and
I
have,
but
we
can
draw
on
experts
from
around
the
nation
with
that,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
think
we
are
done
and
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
might
have
for
us
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
open
to
questions
from
committee
members.
N
N
Okay,
speaker
fryerson,
do
you
have
a
question
sure
sure?
Thank
you,
madam
chair
referencing,
back
that
that
eighty
percent
of
the
time,
if
there's
a
measure
on
the
ballot,
creating
a
commission
it
passes,
also
appreciating
that
there
are
things
that
can
be
done
to
tell
the
story
of
transparency
and
inclusion
that
might
mitigate.
N
That
was
the
20
where
it
didn't
pass
states
that
took
some
of
those
precautionary
measures
to
reinstill
confidence
in
the
public
that
their
process
worked,
and
I'm
going
to
take
that,
if
that's
all
right
with
you
and
then
you
can
follow
up.
If
need
be,
and
thank
you
for
that
question.
One
of
those
states
was
south
dakota
and
the
legislature
put
a
lot
of
effort
into,
and
it
was
a
citizens
initiative.
So
there's
more
than
one
way
to
get
on
the
ballot,
and
it
was
a
citizens
initiative.
N
So
the
legislature
and
others
put
effort
into
indicating
that
they
could
do
an
equally
good
job,
that
they
represented
every
nook
and
cranny
of
the
state
and
that
they
had
the
expertise
to
be
able
to
do
this.
And
it
was
that
was,
I
want
to
say,
2016
and
that
one
went
down.
B
That
I
can
think
of
was
in
ohio
and
ohio.
It
tried
a
couple
of
times
with
some
various
measures
and
in
the
end
there
was
going
to
be
a
citizens
initiative.
H
And
one
for
legislative
redistricting,
each
one
in
a
different
year
on
the
ballot
this
decade,
and
so
the
legislature
kind
of
recognized
that
a
citizens
initiative
was
right
there
at
the
door
and
they
decided
to
redo
it
and
the
way.
One
of
those
has
a
commission
that
or
it
has
a
system
where
the
legislature
does
the
redistricting
first
and
if
they
can
get
a
majority.
N
Of
the
minority
party
or
a
significant
part
of
the
minority
party
just
voted
up
as
well
as
the
majority
party.
Then
it
goes
into
effect.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
then
it
goes
to
a
commission
and
if
the
commission
can't
produce
something
with
a
substantial
support
from
the
minority
party
on
the
commission,.
L
L
Information
about
that-
and
I
realize
I
didn't
really
answer
your
question
about
whether
states
with
better
public
input,
are
able
to
avoid
a
commission,
and
I
don't
think
I
have
information
to
support
that
one
way
or
another.
I
think
public
input
is
sort
of
a
coming
thing.
There's
a
few
states
utah
being
one
that
did
the
map
submissions
in
a
fairly
substantial
way
in
2010
and
I'm
guessing
we're
going
to
see
more
states
going
that
way.
So
I
can't
really
address
exactly
what
you've
asked.
L
Questions,
I
don't
see
anyone
or
hear
anyone,
so
I
want
to
extend
our
appreciation
to
miss
underhill
and
mr
williams
for
the
your
presentations
this
morning
and
I
am
sure
we
will
be
in
touch
with
you
as
we
go
through
this
process
so
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
joining.
H
B
G
A
pleasure
to
present
to
this
committee,
my
name
is
haley
parole,
I'm
the
gis
analyst
and
redistricting
gis
specialist
with
the
research
division
of
the
legislative
council
bureau.
So
today,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
2020
population
estimates
that
the
research
division
has
access
to
and
some
accompanying
maps
and
tables
that
were
created
using
these
estimates
and
have
since
been
made
available
on
the
redistricting
website
or
nevada.
N
Meeting
materials
under
this
agenda
item
titled
overview
of
updated
demographic
estimates
for
2020,
which
includes
information
about
the
2020
estimate
data,
and
I
am
going
to
pull
that
up
now
and
share
my
screen.
So
everyone
can
follow
along
and
then
I'll
transition
later
to
the
redistricting
website
to
show
the
maps
and
tables
so
in
preparation
for
the
2021
redistricting
cycle.
J
J
These
include
maps
of
race
and
hispanic
origin
concentration
in
nevada,
as
well
as
maps
of
predominant
race
and
ethnicity
by
census,
block
group
in
nevada.
So
a
little
bit
about
the
data.
Esri
is
a
geographic
information
system
or
gis
software
company.
It's
the
creator
of
the
gs
software
I
use
in
my
day-to-day
work
and
they
produce.
B
So
we
chose
to
use
esri's
2020,
updated
demographics
estimates
as
a
data
source
to
create
preparatory
maps
and
tables.
For
a
few
reasons,
the
first,
the
estimates
are
available
at
the
census
block
group
level,
which
is
necessary
to
be
able
to
aggregate
the
data
up
to
the
legislative
district
level.
So
the
nevada
state
demographer's.
D
The
estimates
also
use
the
same
race
and
ethnicity
classifications
as
the
u.s
census
bureau,
which
will
allow
for
comparison
between
esri
data
and
the
u.s
census
bureau
data
set
such
as
the
2020
census
or
any
american
community
survey
estimates
and
finally,
esri's
updated
demographics.
Estimates
have
been
used
by
lcd
staff
before
in
2009
to
create
preparatory
maps
and
tables
for
the
2011
redistricting
cycle.
D
D
D
D
However,
they
have
slightly
different
projections
from
the
2018
estimate
maps,
so
the
population
deviation
maps
show
which
legislative
districts
are
projected
to
geographically
expand
or
shrink
during
redistricting.
So
to
find
the
population
deviation
for
each
district.
First,
we
must
find
the
estimated
ideal
population.
D
The
ideal
population
is
the
total
state
population
divided
by
the
number
of
districts.
Since,
ideally,
each
district
will
have
the
same
number
of
people
so
for
the
nevada
state
senate
districts,
the
ideal
population
is
the
state
population
total
divided
by
21
and
for
the
assembly
districts.
The
ideal
population
is
the
state
total
divided
by
42..
D
Really
this
is
broadcast
if
you
can
share
the
application
and
choose
the
just
the
browser
that
you're
using.
I
think
we
might
have
better
results.
D
D
I
already
have
this
pre-loaded,
and
so
the
interactive
maps
provide
a
bit
more
information
from
the
pdf
maps
when
clicking
on
districts
within
the
map.
The
pop-ups
not
only
show
the
percent
population
deviation,
but
also
the
actual
population
deviation
in
the
table
below.
D
D
So
we
only
mapped
the
population
of
one
race
alone.
We
did
not
map
the
population
that
self
identifies
as
two
or
more
races
and
then
hispanic
or
latino,
as
was
discussed
earlier
by
the
u.s
bureau,
that
is
considered
an
ethnicity,
not
a
race,
and
so
people
of
any
race
can
identify
as
hispanic
or
latino.
D
J
J
So
for
this
map,
I'm
looking
at
the
american,
indian
or
alaska
native
alone
population
and
these
tables
will
sum
by
assembly,
district
and
senate
district,
the
number
and
percent
of
total
for
native
american,
indian
or
alaska
native
population
in
each
district.
J
So
each
of
the
race
and
ethnicity
categories
are
listed
in
the
side
panel
on
the
left
and
clicking
on
one
will
open
the
map
for
that
respective
race
or
ethnicity.
In
the
case
of
hispanic
or
latino
similar
to
the
interactive
population
deviation
maps,
the
interactive
race
and
hispanic
origin
maps
do
provide
more
detail
than
the
pdf
versions.
If
you
are
to
click
on
a
specific
census
block,
it
will
tell
you
exactly
the
estimated
number
of
people
who
self-identify
as
that
race
or
ethnicity.
G
J
J
Nevada,
each
race
or
ethnicity
is
symbolized
by
a
different
color,
so
this
is
the
map
of
races
in
nevada.
It
does
not
include
hispanic
or
latino.
That
is
a
separate
map,
and
the
strength
of
the
predominance
for
the
majority
race
is
symbolized
by
transparency.
B
B
D
Tables
which
still
exist
below
the
2020
tables,
these
tables
provide
all
the
district
population,
race
and
ethnicity,
population
information
that
were
included
in
the
maps.
I
just
show
they're
kind
of
a
one,
stop
shop
for
all
the
data
in
tabular
format,
and
so
the
first
page
includes
the
estimated
2020
population
total
for
each
district,
as
well
as
the
percent
and
actual
population
deviation,
and
the
second
page
houses,
information
about
race
and
ethnicity
for
each
district,
and
these
tables
are
available
for
each
of
the
four
district
types
that
the
legislature
is
responsible
for
redistricting.
J
B
Legislators
and
the
public
to
help
aid
in
the
formation
of
redistricting
plans,
and
at
that
point
we
will
have
more
detailed
maps
on
congressional
and
board
of
regents
districts
right
now.
Our
products
are
mainly
focused
on
the
state
assembly,
at
least
on
the
map
side.
They
have
focused
on
the
state
assembly
and
state
senate
district
levels
and
finally,
if
there
are
any
other
map
or
table
products
that
you
think
would
be
helpful
to
have
using
the
2020
demographic
estimates
or
even
the
2018
acs
estimates.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
yes,
we
will
go
to
questions
so
committee
members.
Any
questions
for
miss
parole,
madam
chair,
yes,
is
that
senator
glacier?
Oh
senator
gore
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
it
clear
in
my
mind.
Now
we've
got
the
estimates
in
place,
but,
and
we're
also
talking
about
the
numbers
could
and
should
be
projected
right
now
to
be
available
april
1st,
but
I
was
under
the
impression
the
final
numbers
wouldn't
be
available
in
until
into
july
of
21..
B
Haley
paul
for
the
record.
Thanks
for
the
question,
I
think
that
would
be
a
better
question
for
the
census
bureau
on
when
their
official
statistics
will
be
available.
We
only
have
control
over
when
we
are
receiving
these
so-called
estimates.
Thank
you.
I
was
just
hoping
you
had
a
better
feel
for
it
than
I
did.
Thank
you.
B
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
I
might
be
able
to
help
out
on
the
question.
The
census
bureau
for
a
long-standing
number
of
years
has
been
required
to
provide
the
redistricting
data
by
march
31st
of
the
year
after
the
census,
which
would
be
march
31st
2021..
B
The
reason
there's
confusion
is
that
the
bureau
had
requested
of
congress
the
a
delay
in
having
to
turn
in
that
information
and
with
the
july
31st
deadline
instead
of
the
april.
One
congress
never
acted
on
that,
and
at
this
point
the
census
bureau
doesn't
appear
to
continue
to
want
that
delay.
B
So
that
brings
us
back
to
where
we
were
with
the
original
statutory
deadline
on
march
31st,
or
maybe
it's
april
1st
now
so
it
had
to
do
with
the
delay,
was
based
on
covet
that
the
census
bureau
couldn't
get
out
in
the
field
and
do
its
work
early
on.
So
now
it's
doing
its
work
in
a
kind
of
condensed
format,
because
it's
chosen
to
not
look
for
that
extra
delay.
B
B
B
Thank
you,
speaker,
ferguson,
do
you
have
a
question
sure?
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
a
practical
sense,
I'm
just
curious
line
wise
are
we
looking
at,
and
this
might
be
a
question
from
michael?
Maybe
I
don't
know
I'm
looking
at
possibly
doing
a
mock-up
during
next
session
recognizing
that
we
would
have
to
tweak
it
once
we
get
final
numbers
whenever
that
is
presumably
sometime
early
fall
to
to
then
subsequently
finalize
them
or
I
mean,
is
that
how
we
are
do?
B
Does
it
look
like
we
would
have
enough
data
to
do
a
mock-up
so
that
we're
that
much
more
prepared
once
we
get
to
september
or
whenever
the
final
deadline
is
or
date
for
census
down.
B
Thank
you
speaker
for
ourselves
for
the
record.
I
think
yes,
these
estimates
of
the
2020
esri
estimates
that
we
recently
downloaded
as
well
as
any
american
community
survey
estimates.
I
know
the
2019
ones
are
coming
out
in
december.
I
think
they
could
both
help
us
create
some
some
mock-up
redistricting
plans
to
at
least
provide
some
insight.
B
I
don't
know
about
using
those.
They
could
definitely
be
a
good
starting
point.
I
would
say
yeah,
madam
chair,
this
is
asher
gillian.
The
committee
council,
okay,
mr
killian,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
expand.
I
Upon
that,
I
think
we're
kind
of
somewhere
in
between
the
vision,
I'd
laid
out
at
our
last
meeting.
For
what.
B
Happens
if
the
data
is
delayed
and
our
original
vision
for
what
happens
if
the
data
comes
on
time,
based
on
the
census,
bureau's
presentation
to
us
today,
it
sounds
like
the
statutory
requirement
to
have
it
to
us
by
april.
1St
is
still
in
effect,
but
they're
not
sure
whether
they'll
be
able
to
meet
that
or
not
and
are
still
planning
to
do
additional
work
to
figure
out
what
their
timeline
is
going
to
be.
B
And
so
I
think
that
the
most
prudent
course
for
the
legislature
to
plan
on
at
the
moment
is
kind
of
what
was
described
during
our
last
meeting,
where
we
take
whatever
data
we
have
during
session,
generate
whatever
plans
we
can
generate
and
whether
that
results
in
bdrs
or
not,
is
maybe
a
lesser
concern,
because
what
the
committees
are
going
to
need
to
consider
is
what
the
plans
look
like,
and
once
we
have
final
data
to
turn
that
into
bdr
form.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
additional
questions
a
lot
still
yet
to
do.
B
Okay,
we
will
then
move
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
an
overview
and
discussion
of
previous
joint
standing
rules
regarding
reapportionment
and
redistricting,
and
we
will
hear
from
our
own
michael
stewart
research
director
and
also
from
the
legal
division,
asher
killian,
our
senior
principal
deputy
legislative
council
and
samuel
quast,
who
is
a
deputy
legislative
council.
So
gentlemen,
we
will
let
you
begin
when
you're
ready.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record.
This
is
michael
stewart,
research
director
and
I've
just
attempted
to
share
my
screen.
I
hope
you
can
see
a
word
document
in
front
of
you,
and
this
is
also
in
the
exhibits
as
well
just
showing
the
joint
standing
rules
from
the
most
recent
redistricting
session,
which
was
2011.
B
also
in
the
exhibit
list,
are
rules
from
2001,
which
was
the
previous
redistricting
session,
but
we
also
had
a
sort
of
partial
set
of
rules,
kind
of
compressed
set
of
rules
that
were
on
the
books
from
2015
and
2017
and
2019..
I
included
those
also
in
the
exhibit
list,
but
for
the
purposes
of
sort
of
laying
out
what
is
typically
found
in
rules
of
the
legislature
for
a
redistricting
session,
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
what
we
had
in
2011..
B
The
joint
standing
rules
typically
have
a
component
concerning
equal
equality
of
representation.
This
is
broken
out
by
congressional
districts.
Legislative
districts,
you'll
see
from
2011
there's
a
reference
to
the
state
board
of
education
in
2011.
There
was
a
bill
to
make
the
state
board
of
education,
sort
of
hybrid
elected
and
appointed
board
and
those
board.
Those
districts
are
now
coterminous
with
congressional
districts,
so
the
legislature
is
no
longer
required
or
needed
to
compile
districts
for
state
board
of
ed,
as
they
will
be
the
same
districts
at
congressional
districts.
B
However,
we
still
do,
as
you
know,
draw
lines
for
the
board
of
regents
and
so
that
equality
of
representation
language
would
be
remaining
for
the
board
of
regents,
and
you
will
recall
we
heard
from
them
at
our
last
meeting.
B
The
rules
also
typically
highlight
the
population
database
and
it's
basically,
we
set
forth
in
the
rules
that
the
population
and
the
defined
subunits
thereof,
as
determined
by
the
sense.
This
must
be
the
exclusive
database
for
redistricting
by
the
nevada
legislature
and
then
as
validated
by
the
lcb
staff
and
to
make
that
part
of
our
database,
and
that
is
a
sort
of
a
gis,
more
technical
function.
B
We
also
have
a
rule
concerning
the
procedures
for
registration
committees
and
those
exemptions.
This
rule
basically
lays
out
a
couple
things
one.
It
sets
forth
that
a
legislator
or
member
of
the
public
may
present
to
the
redistricting
committees
any
plans
or
proposals
relating
to
redistricting,
including
proposals
for
specific
districts
or
or
for
the
full.
You
know
slave
districts
as
well,
and
this
is
an
important
consideration
that
actually,
mr
killian
just
pointed
a
just
touched
on
this
rule,
essentially
allows
the
legislature
to
look
at
any
number
of
plans,
without
specifically
having
a
bdr.
B
So,
for
example,
if
you
were
here
in
2011,
you
recall
that
the
committees
on
legislative
operations
and
also
in
the
committee,
the
whole
actually
heard
several
plans,
and
they
were
map
sets
and
data
sets.
That
could
then
be
later
if
the
legislature
chose
turned
into
a
bill
draft
request,
and
so
that
then
flows
into
on
the
next
part
of
the
rule
that
basically
says
that
draft
requests.
B
That
in
no
means
means
that
other
plans
could
not
be
considered,
and
in
fact,
in
previous
sessions
they
have
been
so
we
have
also
in
the
rule.
It
sets
for
some
of
the
limitations
on
the
bdrs
and
says
that
those
bdrs
can
be
combined
into
one
bdr
or,
of
course,
you
can
have
separate
bill
draft
requests
for
each
plan
separate
congressional,
separate
legislative,
separate
board
of
regents,
which
has
been
sort
of
the
practice
in
the
past
two
redistricting
cycles.
B
So,
of
course,
we've
heard
a
lot
about
this,
but
in
compliance
with
the
voting
rights
act
is
extremely
important.
B
B
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
public
participation.
The
last
two
redistricting
cycles.
We've
had
specific
rules
concerning
public
participation.
B
The
rule
basically
specifies
that
the
public
shall
seek
shall
be
encouraged
to
participate
in
all
aspects
of
reapportionment
and
redistricting,
and
the
redistricting
committee
shall
encourage
the
widest
range
of
public
input
into
the
deliberations
of
those
activities.
B
Of
course,
notices
must
be
transmitted
to
the
public,
and
interested
parties
would
be
encouraged
to
appear
before
the
redistricting
committees
to
provide
their
input
and
then
reasonable,
reasonable
opportunities
which
must
be
provided.
B
We
had
a
rule
that
was
added
because
of
our
advancing
technology
in
2021
concerning
the
video
conferencing
capabilities
and
we've
kept
it.
We
kept
in
those
rules.
The
requirement
in
2011
to
hold
at
least
one
hearing
in
the
southern
part
of
the
state
and
one
hearing
in
the
northern
excuse
me
in
the
rural
part
portion
of
the
state
during
the
session
to
allow
the
public
to
participate
in
various
parts
of
nevada
and
then
finally,
the
register.
B
B
We
had
public
workstations,
which
this
committee
approved
the
purchase
and
of
those
workstations
at
our
last
meeting,
and
the
legislative
commission
by
the
way
did
approve
those
and
then,
as
haley,
showed
too
this.
This
upcoming
redistricting
cycle
we've
really
beefed
up
and
enhanced
our
registering
website.
So
it's
very,
very
robust
now
and
that
that
can
be
a
platform
and
a
tool
for
the
public
to
use
as
well
for
redistricting
information
during
the
session.
B
Then
I
would
note
that
you
know
there's
nothing
to
prevent,
and
certainly
mr
killian
and
mr
kwaskin
comments
further,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anything
to
prevent
you
from
adding
to
these
rules.
B
If
you
wish
that
might
include
methodologies
for
map
submissions,
given
that
our
new
technology-
and
I
know
many
of
you-
appreciate
or
seem
to
be
fans
of
the
nesting
process
that
we
have
now,
and
that
might
be
something
that
you
may
wish
to
include
in
the
rules
as
well,
and
so
certainly
something
to
consider
when
this
committee
goes
to
into
its
work
session
in
at
our
next
meeting
and
then
finally,
I
would
note
that
you
know,
historically,
while
this
committee
has
recommended
a
set
of
rules
at
its
final
work
session,
and
they
are
generally
followed
and
approved
at
the
next
legislative
session.
B
It
is
ultimately
up
to
the
2021
legislature
to
approve
those
rules,
and
so
this
committee
would
be
in
a
position
to
just
make
recommendations
for
how
those
rules
might
look
at
the
next
session.
That's
kind
of
a
quick
rundown
of
what
the
rules
were
in
2011..
B
I
think
I'll,
probably
at
this
point,
just
want
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
killian
and
mr
quas
to
see
if
they
have
any
further
additions.
We
did.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
were
on
the
agenda
as
well.
If
there's
any
questions
or
if
they
have
further
additions
from
a
legal
perspective,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
them.
Madam
chair,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
from
mr
killian
and
mr
quast.
B
Whatever
you
have
to
share,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
think
one
of
the
the
most
important
things
I
wanted
to
emphasize
that
kind
of
came
at
the
end
of
michael's
presentation.
B
There
was
if,
if
the
only
redistricting
cycle
you're
familiar
with
is
the
one
that
happened
in
2011,
then
you
may
have
noticed
that
when
that
went
to
the
courts,
the
courts
developed
their
own
set
of
rules
for
what
redistricting
principles
to
apply
and
that's
kind
of
what
was
referenced
in
ncsl's
presentation
on
what
rules
apply
here
in
nevada
that
wouldn't
ordinarily
be
the
case.
B
If
the
nesting
of
districts
is
important
to
the
legislature
and
it's
one
of
the
factors
that
the
legislature
wants
to
consider
in
drawing
these
maps,
it
would
probably
be
a
good
idea
to
include
that
in
the
rules,
even
though
it
hasn't
been
included
in
the
rules
in
the
past,
so
that
when
the
maps
are
potentially
challenged
in
the
future
and
we're
having
to
mount
a
defense
of
the
maps,
we
could
refer
back
to
that
and
and
use
that
to
undergird
the
defensibility
of
the
maps.
B
Historically,
it's
been
a
that
there's
been
a
very
high
overhead
for
the
legal
division
to
actually
prepare
a
bdr
from
a
set
of
maps
and,
as
we
had
talked
about
in
previous
meetings,
where
we're
attempting
to
use
technological
advances
to
make
that
a
much
quicker
process
in
the
legal
division
this
time
around.
But
that's
the
reason
for
the
limitation
on
bdr
requests
versus
presentations
of
maps
is
just
that.
You
could
very
quickly
overload
your
legal
division
in
the
past
with
bdr
requests
and
presentations
of
maps
and
plans
is
much
quicker
and
easier.
B
B
B
The
part
where
you
were
indicating
that
we
haven't
ever
incorporated
something
into
the
rules
before
and
might
want
to
consider
it
could
you
could
you
go
over
that
again
sure
thing,
mr
speaker,
this
is
asher
killian
committee
council
in
the
past,
the
legislature
had
legislature
had
not
incorporated
the
concept
of
nesting
tricks
into
the
rules.
B
That
was
a
creation
of
the
court
during
the
the
court
drawing
process
in
2011,
and
if
that's
a
thing
that
the
legislature
wants
to,
retain
and
wants
to
be
a
point
of
emphasis
in
the
2020
redistricting
cycle,
as
was
kind
of
emphasized
by
the
local
governments
earlier
today,
then
that's
something
that
we
should
include
in
the
rule
so
that
we
can
then
fall
back
on
that
and
use
that
to
defend
the
plans
in
the
future.
If
they're
challenged
that
that's
one
of
the
redistricting
principles
that
the
legislature
specifically.
B
B
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
in
the
joint
rules
when
we
come
to
the
point
of
working
on
them,
but
if,
if
the
pandemic
continues
and
we're
still
under
the
the
virtual
situation
that
we
are
presently
would-
and
I
guess
maybe
it's
just
something
to
think
of
at
this
point-
I
do
would-
should
we
put
something
under
the
rule
regarding
public
participation
on
how
we
can
reach
out
to
our
communities
who
have
interested
in
this
in
order
for
them
to
to
participate,
be
a
part
of
it
when
it
might
be
difficult
or
impossible
for
them
to
come
to
a
meeting
and
give
their
input
on
some
maps
that
have
been
prepared.
B
I'm
sure
this
is
michael
stewart.
This
might
sort
of
tie
into
the
broader
question
of
what
the
legislature
might
even
look
like
in
the
2021
session.
In
terms
of
how
we
engage
the
public
and
engage
our
witnesses
engage
our
speakers
and
that
sort
of
thing
across
the
board.
For
the
legislature.
B
I
think
that's
still
a
little
bit
of
an
unknown,
but
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
if
there
is
a
situation
where
you
know
we're
still
utilizing
some
virtual
technology
for
our
proceedings,
that
that
would
you
know
most
likely,
it
would
certainly
apply
to
you,
know
our
proceedings
by
the
redistricting
committees
as
well.
B
So
I
don't
know
if
mr
killian
has
something
to
add,
but
that's
just
sort
of
my
my
take
on
probably
what
would
happen
if
we
end
up
moving
forward
in
the
pandemic,
sort
of
mode
that
we're
in
right
now
and
madam
chair.
B
The
only
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
you
probably
recall,
in
the
most
recent
special
session,
the
legislature
passed
ab2,
which
kind
of
revised
the
rules
to
allow
for
remote
meetings
during
the
interim,
and
there
was
also
a
first
pass
of
the
revision
of
the
rules
of
both
the
assembly
and
the
senate
to
incorporate
similar
provisions
and
those
rules
to
allow
for
remote
participation
during
these
special
sessions.
B
My
guess
is,
if
we're
in
a
similar
situation,
when
the
2021
regular
session
rolls
around,
whatever
version
of
those
mechanics
is
included
in
the
rules
generally,
we
could
also
duplicate
for
the
rules,
specifically
regarding
redistricting,
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much
committee
members.
Any
other
questions
on
this.
This
agenda
item.
B
B
And
our
next
agenda
item
is
number
10,
and
this
is
a
discussion
of
future
meeting
dates,
potential
agenda
topics
and
work
session
items.
So
at
this
point,
unless
there's
anything
that
the
community
members
want
to
add
regarding
agenda
items
or
work
session
items,
we
will
be
having
a
fourth
meeting,
and
at
this
point
we
are
looking
at
that
meeting
occurring
in
mid-october,
probably
around
october,
19th,
20th
or
21st
and
staff
will
be
getting
in
touch
with
you.
B
B
B
Okay.
I
don't
see
anything
so
agenda.
Item
number
11
is
public
comment.
This
is
our
final
period
of
public
comment
for
today.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
three
minutes
or
two
to
three
minutes,
to
give
our
bps
staff
a
few
minutes
to
give
members
on
the
of
the
public
a
chance
to
call
in
and
again
for
anyone
listening.
That
number
is.
B
669-900-6833
and
then
use
the
reference
number
id
number
of
five
922-6515,
four
three
nine
followed
by
the
pound
sign.
So
let's
take
three
minutes
and
we'll
let
bps
open
up
the
public
comment
line
and
I'll.
Ask
the
members
not
to
go
far,
and
we
will
do
public
comment
in
just
a
few
minutes,
so
it
is
12
54.
B
B
Okay,
let's
see
if
we
have
anyone
in
the
public
comment
queue
for
public
comment
for
this
committee,
so
bps
do
we
have
anyone
for
public
comment?
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
members
do
you
have
any
further
comments
before
we
adjourn
this
meeting.