►
From YouTube: 3/24/2022 - Committee to Conduct an Interim Study Concerning the Use of the Name, Image, and Likenes
Description
This is the first meeting of the 2021-2022 Interim. Please see agenda for details.
For agenda and additional meeting information: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/Calendar/A/
Videos of archived meetings are made available as a courtesy of the Nevada Legislature.
The videos are part of an ongoing effort to keep the public informed of and involved in the legislative process.
All videos are intended for personal use and are not intended for use in commercial ventures or political campaigns.
Closed Captioning is Auto-Generated and is not an official representation of what is being spoken.
A
All
right
we're
going
to
try
this
again
there
we
go
good
afternoon.
I
call
this
meeting
to
order.
Welcome
to
the
first
meeting
of
the
committee
to
conduct
an
interim
study
concerning
the
use
of
the
name,
image
and
likeness
of
a
student
athlete
thanks
to
everyone
who
is
attending
here
in
person
and
in
carson
city
and
for
those
who
are
joining
us
online.
We
appreciate
your
participation
and
it
is
great
to
be
back
in
person-ish.
A
If
you
will
right,
our
committee
secretary
is
going
to
call
the
road
today,
mrs
aguero,
will
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
D
B
F
A
I
am
here
and
please
mark
any
members
that
present
when
they
arrive
all
right.
We
have
a
quorum,
and
so
we
will
begin
before
we
get
started.
I'd
like
to
go
over
some
housekeeping,
then
we'll
move
into
committee
introductions.
A
First,
please
set
your
electronic
devices
to
silent
for
those
in
person
and
on
zoom.
Please
keep
your
microphones
off
or
mute
yourselves.
Unless
you
are
speaking
when
members
are
present,
please
speak
or
when
I'm
sorry
when
members
are
pres
when
members
and
presenters
speak,
please
turn
on
the
microphone
or
unmute
yourself
and
identify
yourself
for
the
record
first
and
last
night,
last
name
each
time
you
speak
for
members
attending
via
zoom.
Please
keep
your
video
turned
on
during
the
meeting
to
ensure
we
have
a
quorum
for
presenters
and
others
attending
in
person.
A
Please
be
sure
to
sign
in
at
the
table
near
the
entrance
at
each
location.
Even
if
you
do
not
plan
to
testify
we'd
like
to
keep
a
record
of
who's
in
the
room,
meeting
materials
can
be
accessed
on
the
committee's
webpage,
located
on
the
nevada
legislature's
website,
and
anyone
who
would
like
to
receive
electronic
notification
of
and
access
to
the
committee's
agendas
minutes
and
final
report
can
do
so.
By
signing
up
on
the
legislature's
website,
there
will
be
a
public
comment
period
period
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
Finally,
I
expect
courtesy
and
respect
in
our
interactions
with
other
members
and
all
presenters,
even
if
we
do
not
agree
with
that,
let's
get
started
with
our
introductions
of
our
members
and
staff.
I
am
assemblyman
c.h
miller.
I
represent
assembly
district
7
in
the
southern
in
southern
nevada.
My
district
runs
right
along
the
borders
of
las
vegas
and
north
las
vegas,
I'm
serving
in
my
freshman
term,
and
this
is
my
first
time
serving
as
a
chair
within
the
legislative
structure.
A
So
please
you
guys
go
easy
on
me.
I
had
to
find
my
button.
You
think
I
know
where
my
button
was
after
a
whole
session,
but
I
had
to
find
it
again
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
now
have
my
committee
members
to
take
a
minute
to
introduce
themselves
and
describe
their
interest
in
serving
on
the
committee.
I
will
start
with
our
vice
chair.
B
Good
afternoon
I'm
vice
chair
lang.
I
am
the
state
senator
for
district
7,
which
in
in
geographically,
is
on
the
east
side
of
maryland
parkway
across
from
unlv,
and
it
runs
all
the
way
east
out
to
the
wash
I'm
excited
to
be
on
this
committee.
I
think
this
is
something
that's
needed
happen
for
a
long
time.
I'm
a
former
collegiate
athlete
and
pe
teacher
and
let's
get
to
work.
A
Next,
we'll
have
yvonne
neverest
goodson
on
zoom.
B
Yes,
actually,
I'm
here
in
carson
city.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
vice
chair
lang.
My
name
is
yvonne.
Navares
goodson.
I
presently
serve
as
the
deputy
general
counsel
for
the
nevada
system
of
higher
education
in
my
capacity
here
today,
I'm
serving
as
the
chancellor's
designee
on
this
committee,
and
I
really
look
forward
to
the
work
of,
of
course,
both
on
the
legal
side.
B
A
Thank
you
next,
we'll
have
linda
garza.
Was
she
able
to
connect.
A
Yet
we
will
come
back,
let's
go
to
davonte
devonte
lee
in
carson
city.
G
How's
it
going
appreciate
you
guys
for
having
me
here
today,
I'm
currently
the
running
back
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno,
and
I
will
be
serving
as
firsthand
just
on
my
knowledge
of
nli
and
how
it
affects
athletes
and
just
what
we
went
through
the
first
year
and
things
that
we
can
improve
and
things
that
we
like
about.
The
nli.
E
Hello,
my
name
is
caitlin
norris.
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here,
I'm
actually
in
my
freshman
year
at
chucky
meadows,
community
college.
I
play
on
the
women's
soccer
team
there
and
I'm
excited
to
be
on
this
committee,
because,
especially
in
the
junior
college
level
of
collegiate
athletics,
things
like
this
aren't
necessarily
thought
about
that
much
because
it
is
definitely
like
a
lower
level
when
compared
to
other
ncaa
athletics.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
what
we
can
do
about
all
this.
F
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
dexter
irvine,
I'm
the
athletic
director
and
director
of
recreation
at
the
college
of
southern
nevada.
I've
been
there
nine
years
now
we
have
a
vibrant,
10,
10
program,
athletic
program
there
at
the
college
of
southern
nevada.
We
are
excited
about
the
growth.
Certainly,
this
is
a
new
and
a
challenging
area
for
many
of
us
and
the
evolution
of
athletics,
and
so
it
has
a
far-reaching
effects,
obviously
from
high
school
kids,
all
the
way
up
through
the
division
one.
F
So
we're
excited
to
be
part
of
continued
operation
to
help
evaluate
this.
Thank
you.
A
C
I
appreciate
that
thank
you,
chair
that
is,
pronounced
nepo
museno.
I
am
the
deputy
athletics
director
and
chief
operating
officer
for
unlv,
and
I
oversee
the
student
athlete
nil
programming.
C
A
Awesome.
Thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
members
for
participating.
I'm
especially
excited
about
our
student
athletes
being
able
to
be
a
part
of
this
committee
and
give
their
voice
as
we
move
forward.
Next,
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
legislative
council
bureau
staff
who
will
be
assisting
us
throughout
this
study.
A
Our
staff
includes
jen
sturm,
jennifer
rudy
and
alex
drozdov,
who
will
all
be
serving
as
our
committee
policy
policy
analysts.
They
will
be
helping
us
with
background
information
on
and
research
into,
the
issues
that
come
before
the
committee.
With
this
in
mind,
any
research
requests
you
have
must
go
through
the
chair,
astral
killian,
I
hear
congratulations
are
in
are
necessary
for
a
promotion,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
the
exact
promotion
is,
but
I
know
that
there
was
a
promotion.
A
I
just
got
word
in
my
ear,
but
he
will
be
serving
as
our
committee
legal
counsel.
So
it's
good
to
know
that
we've
got
him.
Our
committee
research
policy
assistant
is
maria
aguero.
She
will
prepare
the
meeting
minutes
and
will
assist
us
all
with
a
variety
of
other
tasks
as
they
come
up.
J,
marie
mengoba
with
the
financial
and
analyst
division
of
the
lcb
will
assist
us
with
any
fiscal
matters.
And,
finally,
I
want
to
recognize
our
I.t
broadcast
and
broadca
production
services
staff
who
are
critical
to
making
our
meetings
go
smoothly.
A
A
Our
next
agenda
items
public
comments,
so
public
comment
may
be
provided
in
several
different
ways,
all
of
which
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
You
may
provide
public
comment
by
one
testifying
in
person
here
in
las
vegas
or
in
carson
city,
by
calling
six
six
nine
nine
zero,
zero.
Six
eight
three
three
then
entering
meeting
id
eight
three
five:
two:
zero:
six:
zero:
two:
zero:
six,
zero
and
pressing
pound.
A
Lcb's
broadcast
and
production
services
staff
will
interact
with
those
making
remote
comment,
remote
public
comment
and
providing
testimony
to
facilitate
persis
participation
in
the
meeting
to
give
anyone
calling
in
time
to
get
in
the
queue.
We
will
first
begin
with
any
public
comment
that
is
here
in
las
vegas
or
in
carson
city,
we'll
start
in
las
vegas.
Please
approach
the
table.
If
you
would
like
to
make
or
provide
public
comment
at
this
time,
do
we
have
anyone
here
in
las
vegas
wishing
to
make
public
comment
all
right?
H
Chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
My
name
is
doug
knuth
for
the
record,
I'm
the
director
of
athletics
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno,
in
addition
to
devonte
lee
who
you
met
earlier
today.
I
want
to
offer
my
support
for
this
committee
as
well.
H
You
have
the
subject
matter
expert
in
my
colleague
deputy
ad
at
unlv
eric.
He
is
by
far
the
most
well-versed
person
in
the
state
of
nevada
on
nil
and
everything
else.
We're
doing
I
I
may
play
second
fiddle
to
eric
in
that
role,
but
I
also
do
sit
on
some
national
committees,
which
I
think
I
can
help
this
group
and
this
committee
in
a
lot
of
ways.
I
sit
on
the
ncaa's
division,
1
council,
which
sets
a
lot
of
policy
for
ncaa
division,
1
athletics.
H
I
have
access
to
a
lot
of
folks
through
that
committee
that
can
offer
more
support
to
this
committee.
Provide
more
background
information
speak
to
this
committee.
Whatever
you
need,
I'm
here
at
your
service
to
help,
I
will
be
at
all
the
meetings,
even
though
I'm
not
on
the
committee
I'll,
be
here
to
support
devante,
coach
garza
and
anyone
else.
That's
on
the
committee
I'm
here
for
you,
please
do
not
hesitate
to
call
email
me
text
me
whatever
you
need,
I'm
here
for
you
and
I
just
want
to
state
that
for
the
record.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
and
we
appreciate
your
willingness
to
be
engaged
and
participate
throughout
the
entire
process.
Do
we
have
anyone
else
in
carson
city
all
right,
seeing
none,
we
will
go
to
bps
and
check
for
callers.
Do
we
have
any
callers
that
want
to
make
public
comment.
I
J
Hi
hello,
my
name
is
rob
sein.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity.
I
am
the
co-founder
and
partner
of
nevada-based
nil
marketing
agency,
blueprint
sports,
my
partner,
cisco
and
aguilar,
and
I
formed
the
company
about
two
years
ago,
in
anticipation
of
name
image
and
likeness,
and
with
my
20
plus
years
of
working
in
the
sports
industry,
experience
and
professional
sports
leagues.
I
worked
for
the
pac-12
conference
for
multiple
years.
I
worked
for
img
in
learfield.
J
J
The
collective
is
really
an
idea
where
you
get
multiple
alumni
fans,
donor
supporters
of
the
institution
together
that
want
to
be
able
to
empower
and
bring
together
opportunities
financially
for
these
student
athletes,
both
from
compensation
wise
and
also
from
the
standpoint
of
giving
them
the
ability
to
have
opportunities
in
the
community
to
find
good
places
to
eat.
Things
like
things
like
that.
We
currently
work
with
over
10
university
and
colleges
to
power
their
programs,
including
unlv.
J
We
believe
nil,
provides
parity
for
both
men's
and
women's
sports
and
is
becoming
an
essential
piece
for
the
future
of
college
athletics
when
it's
done
in
a
supportive
and
compliant
manner.
We
believe
that
those
are
two
very
important
pieces
that
we
pride
ourselves
on,
bringing
to
all
the
equations
when
we
work
with
student
athletes.
J
Nil
goes
way
beyond
those
student
athletes
that
may
play
football
or
basketball.
It
extends
to
all
sports,
because
every
student
athlete
has
a
marketplace
and
there
is
somebody
who's
excited
to
work
with
them.
These
athletes
put
in
countless
hours
and
years
of
hard
work
to
become
college
athletes
any
level
of
any
sport.
There
is
somebody
else
that
wants
to
be
in
their
shoes
that
wants
to
learn
from
them.
That
wants
to
understand
so
again.
We
could.
J
We
believe
that,
while
there
are
commercial
opportunities
that
are
exceeding
for
some
student
athletes
of
certain
sports
or
success
or
notoriety,
youth
sports
coaching,
for
example,
permitted
allows
every
inspiring
college
athlete
to
interact
with
somebody
who
has
that
same
goal.
We
believe
this
is
a
really
good
opportunity
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
support
not
only
university
of
nevada,
reno
and
unlv,
but
other
institutions
and
athletic
departments
across
the
country.
Thank
you.
A
A
Okay,
perfect
now
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
three,
which
is
a
discussion
on
the
exegesis
of
ab254
and
the
student
athlete
perspective
together
with
speaker,
fryerson
karina,
armstrong
and
sebastian
ross
gave
testimony
on
ab-254
during
the
2021
session
about
their
experiences
as
student
athletes.
A
We
will
do
that
and
then
we
will
move
into
our
committee's
duties
and
responsibilities,
but
to
set
the
tone
I
would
like
to
have
them
go
first.
So,
let's,
mr
armstrong,
if
you
would
like
to
begin.
E
Good
afternoon
karina
armstrong
for
the
record
first,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
sebastian,
and
I
to
present
today,
as
I
stated
before,
my
name
is
karina
armstrong
and
I'm
a
recent
graduate
from
boyd's
school
of
law,
which
is
still
really
crazy.
I
just
graduated
in
december
so
sebastian
and
I
first
started
this
journey
with
just
a
competition
at
our
school
and
as
the
athletes
and
born
and
raised
in
nevada.
This
bill
and
new
law
was
like
was
really
important
to
both
of
us
a
little
background
on
myself.
E
I
was
a
collegiate
athlete
in
track
and
field
at
boise
state
university,
which
is
part
of
the
mountain
west
conference,
which
is
what
unr
and
unlv
are
a
part
of
my
fifth
year
I
transferred
to
the
university
of
miami
florida
and
was
in
the
acc
for
track
and
field
being.
A
collegiate
athlete
gave
me
the
first
hand,
knowledge
and
experience
at
what
limitations
student
athletes
had
when
it
came
to
earning
money
for
their
name,
image
and
likeness.
E
I
think
it's
really
important
to
look
at
that.
Many
people
continue
to
look
at
laws
passed
for
nil,
as
ones
that
only
benefit
the
so-called
big
sports,
such
as
football
or
men's
basketball.
Even
women's
basketball,
however,
nil
was
and
is
important
to
me
because
it
benefits
and
helps
the
so-called
smaller
sports,
such
as
gymnastics
track
and
field
swim
and
dive.
E
Yes,
nil
does
allow
some
athletes
to
make
significant
money
and
with
endorsement
sponsors,
sponsorships,
etc,
but
it
also
opens
the
door
to
gain.
It
also
opens
the
door
to
allow
athletes
who
may
peak
in
college
and
not
have
the
chance
to
go
further
in
the
professional
aspect
of
their
in
their
sport
to
gain
money
in
other
parts
of
their
collegiate
career.
E
So
recently
the
byu
football
team
built
bar
has
allowed
a
thousand
has
sponsored
a
thousand
dollars
to
all
football
players
and
also
provided
a
full
ride
and
full
tuition
scholarship
to
all
walk-on
players.
E
Olivia
dune
at
lsu
gymnastics.
She
has
a
large
nil
contract
with
an
activewear
company.
An
iu
cheerleader
has
a
t-shirt
deal
after
getting
a
basketball
down
in
march
madness.
The
video
kind
of
went
viral
masai
russell,
which
is
a
kentucky
track
and
field
athlete
use,
has
a
lot
of
sponsored
social
media
posts,
and
I
also
want
to
shine
light
on
some
of
the
good
that
has
come
from
nio
dylan
gibbons
at
florida
state
he's
a
football
player.
E
He
also
created
a
non-profit
called
big
man,
big
heart,
to
help
other
athletes
use
their
nil
for
social
good
lexi
sun.
The
university
of
nebraska
volleyball
player
has
a
deal
with
volleyball,
volleyball
apparel
company
and
proceeds
going
to
a
non-profit
sports
psychology
organization
quorum,
the
university
of
michigan
running
back.
He
used
his
nil
earnings
to
donate
over
a
hundred
thanksgiving
dinners
to
his
local
area
where
he
was
born
and
kenny
pickett.
The
pittsburgh
qb
used
his
nil
earnings
to
sell
t-shirts
and
give
proceeds
to
a
boys
and
girls
club.
E
So,
although
it
cannot
be
said
that
all
student
athletes
are
giving
back
with
their
nil
earnings,
the
sky
is
definitely
the
limit,
and
the
above
examples
show
that
I
just
wanted
to
shine
light
on
a
recent
article
that
I
saw
from
the
arizona
states
associate
athletic
director
marcus
williams.
He
stated
that
of
the
26
sports
at
asu.
E
A
Thank
you,
miss
armstrong.
We
really
appreciate
your
engagement.
We
appreciate
you
still
doing
the
work
even
after
you've
graduated
and
thank
you
for
bringing
those
those
those
examples
to
light
for
this
particular
meeting.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
Now,
mr
ross,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
mr
ross,
I
understand
that
you
actually
have
class,
and
so
my
apologies,
do
you
have
time
to
stick
around
or
do
you
want
to?
You
want
to
come
back
and
speak
good.
Okay,
tell
me
who
I
need
to
call.
K
K
They
and
other
college
athletes
are
the
reason
karina
and
I
worked
with
assembly
speaker,
jason
fryerson,
in
bringing
forth
ab254
during
the
81st
session.
Karina
and
I's
mission
was
to
expand
equity
for
a
demographic
in
nevadans
participating
in
a
larger
system.
That's
perpetuated
in
equity
for
generations.
K
From
a
fiscal
perspective,
the
inequities
exercised
within
college
athletics
have
adversely
impacted
black
college
athletes
and
athletes
at
a
conspicuously
disproportionate
rate.
Although
we
want
all
students
to
have
an
opportunity
to
benefit
from
an
endorsement
model
functioning
like
a
free
market
system,
I
think
it's
important
to
consider
particular
issues
concerning
black
athletes,
as
well
as
female
athletes.
K
The
historical
lack
of
inequity
suggests
that
schools
need
to
continuously
apply
ingenuity
when
marketing
women's
athletics.
I
want
to
share
a
quote
from
a
washington
post
article
written
by
candace
bucker,
who
states
quote
now
that
the
free
market
has
been
unleashed.
It
would
be
great
if
companies
recognize
female
athletes
for
their
accomplishments,
not
just
their
physical
assets.
K
K
In
closing,
I'd
like
to
express
my
gratitude
for
allowing
karina
and
I
to
participate.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
if
you
have
any
questions
I
can
stick
around,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
tell
my
professor.
So
I'm
open
to
any
questions.
A
All
right
committee
members
do
we
have
any
questions
for
mr
ross.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Can
we
let
him
get
to
his
class,
we're
good
we're
good
in
carson
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
ross.
You
did
a
great
job
today.
Go
be
great.
A
All
right,
I
just
want
to
thank
both
ms
armstrong
and
mr
ross
for
their
time
today
and
for
being
able
to
hop
on
and
just
kind
of
set
the
tone
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
why
we
are
exploring
this
topic
and
how
important
it
is.
Next,
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
four
and
we
will,
which
is
a
presentation
by
our
legislative
council
bureau
staff
on
the
committee's
duties
and
responsibilities.
E
E
B
Thank
you,
ms
drazdoff
jenn
sturm
committee
policy.
Analyst
for
the
record.
As
many
of
you
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
acronyms
in
education,
especially
particularly
with
regard
to
athletics,
so
we've
also
included
on
page
three
of
the
committee
brief
a
list
of
frequently
used
acronyms
that
you
might
see
on
this
committee.
B
There
are
several
legislative
council
bureau
staff
working
on
this
committee
and
chair
miller
mentioned
all
of
us
who
are
helping
support
the
work
of
the
committee,
including
research,
legal,
fiscal
and
broadcast
and
production
staff
and
again
as
nonpartisan
lcb
staff.
We
do
not
advocate
for
or
against
any
proposal.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
on
any
issue
related
to
matters
before
the
committee,
please
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
as
a
reminder,
questions
must
be
directed
through
the
chair.
We've
also
provided
our
contact
information
on
page
four
of
the
exhibit,
and
with
that
mr
chair,
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
A
Are
we
good
any
questions
in
carson?
No
all
right!
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
for
your
time,
all
right
now
they
are
correct.
There
are
a
lot
of
acronyms,
and
so
this
this
is
very
helpful,
particularly
for
people
like
myself,
who
are
not
well
versed
in
all
of
the
college
sports
and
just
different
athletic
acronyms
that
are
out
there.
So
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
all
all
right.
A
Moving
right
along
we're
going
to
agenda
item
5.,
we
will
now
have
mr
andrew
smalley
of
ncsl
here
to
present
on
what
we're
seeing
nationally
with
nil
issues.
Mr
smalley,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
in
person
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
begin
whenever
you're
ready.
D
Right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
to
the
committee
andrew
smalley,
from
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures
for
the
record.
I
work
at
our
denver
office
on
our
post-secondary
education
team,
so
we've
been
covering
all
national
legislation
around
name,
image
and
likeness
over
the
past
couple
years
now.
So
I'm
excited
to
be
with
you
all
today,
just
to
give
kind
of
a
brief
introduction
to
ncsl
we're
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures
the
membership
organization
for
the
nation's
legislators
and
legislative
staff.
D
We
promote
policy
innovation,
create
opportunities
for
lawmakers
to
come
together
and
talk
about
the
issues
facing
their
states,
and
we
do
also
provide
a
strong,
cohesive
voice
for
legislators
at
the
federal
level.
So
we
provide
services,
including
policy
research,
communication
meetings
and,
of
course,
our
state
voice
in
dc.
So
you
we
host
a
lot
of
meetings.
You
might
be
familiar
with
our
legislative
summit
this
year.
It's
going
to
be
in
denver.
D
So
moving
into
the
student
athlete
compensation
conversation,
what
we've
heard
from
our
members
over
the
past
several
years
is
really
just
a
growing
interest
in
the
concerns
about
the
amount
of
money
and
revenues
that
are
in
collegiate
athletics
over
the
past
two
decades.
The
large
increases
in
college
athletic
revenue
have
definitely
raised
concerns
from
members
across
the
country
and
states
and
prompted
the
conversations
about
whether
or
not
athletes
should
be
compensated
or
receive
some
of
that
compensation
from
those
revenues.
D
Schools
with
major
football
programs
are
really
driving
the
core
increases
in
those
revenues
from
a
state
legislator
perspective
there's
been
a
lot
of
concern
about
how
these
revenues
are
being
spent,
where
these
revenues
are
going
and
what
portions
go
into
scholarships.
D
What
portions
are
going
to
facilities
and
stadiums
and
what
portions
are
going
to
coaches
salaries
and
then
there's
also
been
precedent
for
allowing
college
athletes
to
earn
compensation,
of
course,
allowing
them
to
earn
compensation
for
competing
in
the
olympics
or
playing
a
professional
sport
while
in
school
or
receiving
gifts
for
tournaments
and
bowl
games.
But
really
this
was
an
issue
that
really
emerged
two
years
ago
or
now,
almost
three
years
ago,
with
california's
fair
play,
pay
to
play
law
which
was
introduced
and
really
debated
in
the
summer
of
2019.
D
It
was
introduced
by
senator
nancy
skinner
and
senator
stephen
bradford.
It
passed
both
chambers
in
california,
unanimously,
despite
opposition
from
the
california
state
university
system
and
private
higher
education
institutions
like
usc
stanford
and
the
ncaa,
so
it
was
signed
into
law
in
september,
2019
originally
set
to
take
effect
in
2023,
and
then
that
was
really
the
start
of
us.
Following
this
as
sort
of
a
major
issue
across
the
country
with
our
members,
real
quick,
just
kind
of
going
over,
some
of
the
key
provisions
of
the
california
fair
play
to
play
act
really.
D
But
things
like
a
lot
scholarships
and
financial
aid
do
not
count
as
compensation
allowing
student
athletes
to
obtain
agents
and
creating
a
working
group
to
evaluate
compensation
models
was
also
part
of
the
original
california
bill.
So
after
the
california
law
was
enacted,
we
saw
a
pretty
swift
movement
across
the
country
on
this
issue.
D
Some
of
that
was
disrupted
by
the
early
pandemic
outbreak
in
early
2020
and
the
disruption
that
legislators
experienced,
but
really
over
the
past
two
sessions
we've
seen
bills
introduced
in
40
states
and
28
states,
take
have
enacted
measures
either
through
executive
order
or
past
legislation.
So
one
of
the
states
that
passed
exec
legislation,
the
executive
order
just
recently
signed
into
law-
that's
kentucky,
but
we
really
saw
a
flurry
of
activity
around
this
last
summer.
D
In
the
lead
up
to
the
july
1
2021
deadline,
several
states
moved
the
effective
date
of
their
legislation
to
that
july.
1St
deadline
earlier
than
california's,
which
had
been
2023
you
also
from
the
map
on
the
slide.
You
also
noticed
that
some
states
are
colored
for
repealing
their
nil
laws,
which
is
a
trend
that
has
emerged
in
the
past
few
months
and
we'll
we'll
cover
that
a
bit
when
we
get
into
some
of
the
provisions.
D
But
I
want
to
start
with
what
the
most
common
elements
are,
that
we
followed
around
the
enacted
bills
in
around
the
country.
So
we
really
saw
that
there's
about
seven
main
provisions
that
most
all
state
legislation
that's
been
enacted
across
the
country
contains
and
the
some
of
them
are
in
all
state
legislation.
Some
are
only
in
a
few
states,
but
they're
definitely
trends
that
have
emerged.
The
first
is
what
we
would
just
kind
of
call
the
enabling
provision.
D
The
second
straightforward
element
that
is
present
in
all
state
legislation
is
that
nil
compensation
cannot
impact
financial
aid
or
scholarships
in
terms
of
eligibility
or
amount,
and
then
the
third
provision
that
is
in
most
state
legislation
is
specific
references
to
allow
students
to
obtain
legal
representation
in
the
form
of
athletic
agents.
All.
But
two
states
have
this
in
their
enacted.
D
Nil
statutes,
then
there's
a
few
provisions
that
most
states
have,
but
not
all
and
that's
the
first
is
exemptions
or
institutional
limitations.
So
these
are
allowing
institutions
to
limit
ways
at
student.
Athletes
can
earn
an
io
compensation.
Some
have
some
statutes
have
very
specific
carve-outs.
That
say
we
don't
want
students
to
earn
compensation
from
promoting
products
like
firearms
or
gambling
or
adult
entertainment,
controlled
substances.
Things
like
that
others
just
leave
it
up
to
the
institution
to
stop
the
compensate
nil
compensation
activities
from
anything
that
doesn't
align
with
their
institutional
values.
D
D
I
should
also
note
that
these
are
the
provisions,
mainly
from
enacted
bills.
We've
also
followed
several
dozen
bills
around
the
country
that
really
propose
totally
different
strategies
related
to
not
just
name
image
and
likeness,
but
also
student
athlete
compensation.
More
broadly,
there's
proposals
all
across
the
country
there's
one
in
south
carolina
that
would
create
a
student
athlete
trust
fund
that
would
provide
stipends
to
students
after
they
graduate
there's
bills,
including
in
new
york,
that
would
define
students
as
employees
and
give
them
collective
bargaining
rights.
D
D
So
several
states
have
considered
repealing
the
statutes
that
they
passed
in
the
last
session
because
they're
concerned
about
that.
Their
statutes
are
too
restrictive,
more
restrictive
than
the
ncaa's
interim
guidance
on
this,
and
they
don't
want
to
be
at
a
recruiting
disadvantage
or
to
limit
the
athletes
ability
to
earn
compensation.
D
D
South
carolina
has
joined
them
so
in
considering
repeal
this
kind
of
extends
to
a
broader
conversation,
among
that
we've
heard
about
from
our
members
of
making
sure
that
these
statutes
are
allowing
student
athletes
to
be
competitive,
and
they
don't
want
to
be
at
a
recruiting
disadvantage
and
there's
groups
like
the
national
college
players
association
that
have
tried
to
go
through
and
review
state
statutes
and
look
at
how
competitive
each
state's
approach
is
and
score
them
and
rate
them,
and
I'm
happy
to
pass
along
that
link
for
reference.
D
Nevada,
scored,
a
71
percent
in
their
report
recently
and
higher
score
is
a
more
athlete
friendly
approach.
I
think
the
top
score
was
new
mexico
with
a
90
and
the
least
athlete
friendly
was
mississippi
with
the
43.,
so
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
variation
in
terms
of
how
athlete
friendly
some
of
these
statutes
can
be
across
the
country.
D
We
also
know
there's
some
early
data
emerging
about
what
athletes
are
earning
from
these
transactions
and
confirmed
some
of
the
larger
trends
that
we've
followed.
You
know
early
in
the
presentation
football
men's
football
is
the
top
sport
for
nil
by
a
wide
margin
and
men's
sports
in
general
are
receiving
the
majority
of
nil
dollars.
D
Just
a
brief
federal
update.
Over
the
past
two
years,
there
have
been
several
bipartisan
federal
proposals
related
to
student
athlete
compensation.
Two
of
these
are
really
far
beyond
the
scope
of
just
name,
image
and
likeness.
The
first
is
the
college
athletes
bill
of
rights.
That's
senator
booker's
bill,
which
is
very
broad
in
that
it
would
address
everything
from
student
athlete
compensation
to
revenue
sharing
to
health
care,
medical
expense
coverage
scholarships.
D
The
second
is
the
college
athlete
right
to
organize
legislation
which
would
amend
the
national
labor
relations
act
to
give
student
athletes
the
status
as
employees
and
collective
bargaining
rights.
There
are
about
five
other
notable,
but
less
broad
bills.
That
would
address
just
name.
It
aim
image
and
likeness
compensation.
D
Our
broad
sense
here
is
that
this
is
an
area
of
bipartisan
interest
on
the
hill.
There's
been
a
lot
of
interest
from
staff
and
committee
meetings
on
this,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
federal
priorities
at
the
moment
and
it
is
an
election
year.
So
we
would
not
anticipate
it
being
especially
likely,
but
we
wouldn't
consider
it
unlikely
either.
D
If
you
had
more
questions
about
the
federal
side
of
this,
because
he's
definitely
been
very
engaged,
with
the
conversations
that
we've
been
having
with
the
folks
on
the
hill
about
this,
so
that's
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
name,
image
and
likeness
issues
that
we've
been
following
at
ncsl
I'll
put
one
last
plug
for
our
legislative
summit
in
denver
this
summer.
We're
going
to
have
legislators
and
staff
from
across
the
country.
D
We
have
a
lot
of
resources
related
to.
We
track,
basically,
all
legislation
that
impacts
higher
education
institutions
across
the
country.
We
do
a
lot
of
work
on
student
loan
debt
and,
of
course,
we've
done
work
on
student
athlete
compensation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
those
resources
and
flag
that
we're
definitely
open
to
questions
from
anyone,
particularly
legislators
and
legislative
staff.
So
with
that
I'll
conclude
my
remarks
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
anyone
has.
A
A
I
want
to
remind
everyone
to
state
your
first
and
last
name
for
the
record
each
time
that
you
speak,
and
I
just
have
one
quick
question:
the
the
ranking
of
states
is
athlete
friendly
versus
not
what
was
that.
D
A
Okay
and
that's
good
for
me
for
now
thank
you
next,
we
will
take
it
over
to
vice
chair
senator
lane
for
her
question.
B
Hi
senator
lang
for
the
record,
thanks
for
being
here
today,
I
have
a
question
about
recruiting
because
recruiting
is
so
important
to
the
programs
and
their
fundraising
efforts
in
your
research.
Have
you
found
that
there's
a
difference
between
the
kinds
of
legislation
or
practices
that
are
put
into
practice
at
a
state
has
affected
recruiting,
either
in
a
negative
or
a
positive
way?.
D
Excuse
me
that
that
is
really
an
urgent
problem.
It
was
repealed
very
quickly
in
their
session
this
year
and
I
think,
that's
generally
a
concern
that
they've
expressed
about
feeling
that
if
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
remain
relevant,
that
puts
their
institutions
at
a
disadvantage.
So
I
don't
know
about
any
specific
data
around
it.
If
that's
something
you'd
like
us
to
look
into,
we
definitely
can
for
you
and
see
if
there's
any
sort
of
hard
data
out
there
around
that.
B
B
It's
kind
of
the
smile
around
the
bottom
of
the
united
states
with
a
few
places,
and
so
it
kind
of
is
happening
there.
But
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
tier
1
and
c2a
schools
and
the
kinds
of
recruiting
that
they
do
it's
so
highly
competitive,
and
I
just
I
just
think
that
information
would
be
helpful
as
we
consider
what
we
want
to
do
here
in
nevada.
Sure.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Thank
you
for
the
answer
and
yes
for
staff.
We
can,
let's
follow
up
with
mr
smalley
here
and
grabbing
that
research
that
senator
lang
has
requested.
Okay.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
dexter,
irvin
again,
thank
you
for
being
here
as
well.
I
noticed
that
in
the
california
bill
there
was
a
specific
session
there
on
the
study
for
community
colleges.
They
have
a
large
community
college
system
there,
obviously,
and
in
the
njcaa,
which
we
are
part
of
it.
It's
a
little
bit
of
apples
and
oranges.
It
seems
like
here
in
in
nevada.
F
D
Right
this
is
andrew
smalley
again
for
the
record.
I
think
your
concerns
about
the
impact
of
this
on
community
colleges
is
definitely
something
that
we've
followed
throughout
the
legislative
tracking
of
this.
That
is
something
that
gets
brought
up
consistently
in
regards
to
the
california
provision.
I
actually
don't
know
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
because
what
happened
in
california
is
they
actually
passed
subsequent
legislation
to
move
their
date
up
the
effective
date
of
their
legislation
up
so
and
part
of
that
they
may
have
changed
the
structure
of
that
committee.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
you're
good,
mr
irving.
All
right,
perfect
we're
gonna
move
over
to
mr
eric
I'll.
Just
call
you,
mr
eric.
C
That
is
perfectly
fine.
Thank
you,
chair
for
the
record,
mr
eric
nepomeseno,
mr
smalley.
Thank
you
for
this
information.
I
certainly
appreciate
this
concise
synopsis.
I
think
you
did
a
really
good
job
of
making
this
easy
to
digest
for
myself
and
and
I'm
a
practitioner
of
this
stuff.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
trends
that
you
have
found
within
the
particular
bills.
Have
you
seen
anything
that
outlines
potential
sanctions
or
penalties
for
non-compliance
of
the
actual
state
legislations.
D
Andrew
smalley,
again
for
the
record,
are
you
referring
specifically
to
penalties
for
student
athletes
or
for
the
institutions
themselves?
All
of
those
all
above
them?
I
believe
there
are
so,
and
I
can
definitely
share
with
the
committee.
C
A
G
Martin
looks
like
devonte
lee
for
the
record.
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
is
some
of
the
problems
that
the
lower
level
divisions
face
because
I'm
in
division
one.
So
I
don't
really
have
insight
on
the
problems
that
y'all
talking
about
and
the
things
that's
being
left.
G
D
F
F
The
scholarships
that
we
have
are
very
limited.
Most
of
us
and
so
there's
a
there's.
A
myriad
of
things
in
there,
but
I
I
really
do
appreciate
the
question,
because
I
think
there
is
a
a
great
divide
there
and
there's
some
things
that
we
can
do
well
together.
There's
other
things
that
we
have
to
maybe
say
there
might
need
to
be
a
separate.
F
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
think
it
was.
It
was
a
good
question
from
mr
lee
because
it
provided
a
lot
of
insight
for
all
of
us
to
understand
the
differences
and
some
of
those
challenges.
I
know
I
needed
to
know
more
about
them,
so
thank
you.
A
Do
we
have
any
other
questions
from
any
other
committee
members?
Okay,
I
just
have
one
last
question
and
it
may
require
you
know
to
get
back
with
us,
but
I'm
curious
to
know.
We
talked
about
you
mentioned
social
media,
and
he
mentioned
you
know
some
of
the
things
with
preston.
Just
I'm
curious
how
a
a
an
athlete's
social
media
following
prior
to
maybe
an
nil
deal
offer
plays
into
the
picture
versus
those
who
are
not
getting
the
same
offers.
A
Is
it
you
know,
based
on
the
standing
that
they
have
already
sometimes
or
is
it
things
that
are
happening?
You
know
in
the
game?
That's
that's
really
driving
these
nil
deals.
Is
it
performance
based
how
you
know
so,
if
there's
some
additional
insight
that
you
all
can
provide
for
that,
you
know
moving
forward.
I'd
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
D
A
L
M
A
E
G
Devonte
lee
again,
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
insight
on
what
on
basically
on
your
question,
I
feel
like
social
media
does
have
a
great
impact
on
it,
especially
because
of
the
following,
and
most
people
who
give
you
nl
deals.
They
want
you
to
have
a
following
to
bring
something
to
the
table,
and
it
is
also
about
what
you
do
on
the
court
on
the
field
on
the
soccer
field
everywhere.
G
I
would
say
just
take
part
of
that,
because
most
people,
most
people,
that
I've
dealt
with
in
the
past
weren't
nli
deals.
They
always
want
either
the
star
player
or
some
some
want
the
whole
group.
So
it
really
just
depends
on
social
media
presence,
like
you
said,
and
also
what
you
do
to
perform
on
the
field
to
get
you
that
certain
deal.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
adding
that
too
to
the
discussion.
I
think
that
brings
some
good
actually
in
the
mix
insight
into
what's
actually
happening
out
there.
So
thank
you,
mr
lee,
and
thank
you
again,
mr
smalley.
We
look
forward
to
whatever
additional
research
you
can
provide
to
us
from
that
perspective.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
agendum
item
six,
which
is
a
discussion
on
recent
nil
policies
and
related
oversight
and
compliance.
We've
got
scott
bierby
and
don
booth.
Please
forgive
me
if
I
mispronounce
your
names
and
dave
schnees
of
the
nc2a
and
jeff
white
and
keele
huber
of
the
njc2a
presenting
thank
you
all
for
being
available
to
present,
and
I
understand
that
our
presenters
are
joining
us
from
all
around
the
country.
So
we
very
much
appreciate
you
all
being
available
to
join
us.
A
I
Well
good
afternoon,
and
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
the
record-
my
name
is
dawn
booth,
I'm
the
director
of
the
ncaa's
office
of
government
relations
here
in
dc,
like
many
of
the
committee
members
and
panelists,
I
am
a
former
student
athlete
myself
and
a
beneficiary
of
college
sports,
so
I
am
especially
appreciative
of
the
invitation
to
speak
with
you
all
today
and
also
to
see
representation
from
our
nevada
member
schools
on
the
committee.
So
so
thank
you.
I
I
I
am
joined
by
two
of
my
colleagues
from
our
headquarters
in
indianapolis,
scott
burby
and
dave
schneezy.
So
before
I
I
share
my
screen
and
then
and
get
started
with
the
presentation.
I'm
gonna
invite
scott
and
dave
to
turn
on
their
cameras
and
introduce
themselves
before
we
get
started.
L
N
I
Well,
thanks
dave
and
scott,
I'm
gonna
pause
here
for
a
moment
to
share
my
my
screen
and
then
then
we'll
dive
right
in
one
moment.
I
Everyone
able
to
see
our
screen,
okay,
okay,
then
then
I
will
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Well
again,
I
want
to
thank
chair
miller
vice
chair
lang
and
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
all
today
for
the
presentation
you
know
I
thought
I
would
start
by
providing
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
ncaa,
both
as
an
organization
and
also
a
member
association.
I
Our
membership
adopts
and
develops
rules
through
a
representative
system,
not
not
unlike
many
state
legislatures.
So,
unlike
I
think,
other
support
organizations
or
professional
leagues.
Our
headquarters
staff,
like
dave,
scott
or
I
or
even
our
president,
don't
have
the
authority
to
make
policies
or
rules.
I
We
have
a
membership
that
governs
each
of
our
three
divisions
and
and
they
set
association
or
divisional
policy,
and
and
we
have
an
extremely
diverse
membership.
We
have
1100
schools
or
so
across
the
country
with
vastly
different
resources
and
geographies
and
enrollments
that
serve
about
half
a
million
student
athletes
each
year
and
our
schools,
like,
like
those
represented
today,
provide
an
extraordinary
amount
of
scholarship.
Funding
to
student
athletes
is
about
three
and
a
half
billion
each
year
in
athletic
scholarships.
I
There
is
sometimes
confusion
about
the
association's
financial
structure,
so
I
do
think
it's
worth
taking
an
opportunity
to
note
that
the
primary
source
of
our
revenue
generated
for
the
ncaa
is
is
through
tv
and
marketing
rights
for
the
division,
one
men's
basketball
championship.
The
overwhelming
majority
of
this
is
redistributed
back
to
support
our
membership
and
importantly,
the
association
doesn't
receive
any
revenue
from
the
fbs
college,
football
playoffs
or
bowl
games.
Those
revenues
are
primarily
distributed
to
fps
conferences,
so
you
know,
I
think,
before
dave
talks
a
little
bit
more
specifically
about
nil.
I
I
I
do
think
it's
worth
sharing
that
nil
is
you
know
one
of
the
many
legislative
reforms
that
our
membership
has
undertaken
over
the
last
several
years.
Today's
ncaa
looks
pretty
significantly
different
than
it
did
even
even
five
years
ago.
Student
athletes
can
of
course,
now
benefit
from
their
nil.
They
can
hold
employment,
they
have
scholarship
protections
and
transfer
flexibility
so
that
the
membership
certainly
continues
to
kind
of
shift
and
evolve
their
policy
priorities.
I
So
so
I'm
going
to
pause
there
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
dave
to
talk
through
kind
of
the
policy
timeline.
On
this
specific
issue
of
nil.
N
Thanks
don
again
for
the
record
dave
schneezy
with
the
national
office,
I'm
going
to
take
you
quickly
through
the
timeline,
but
I
want
to
spend
most
of
my
time.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
hope
you
don't
mind
on
the
policy
itself,
because
I
think
that's
where
your
interest
may
be,
as
you
can
see
from
the
slide
here.
We
started
work
on
this
in
2019,
with
the
board
of
governors
working
group
and
the
board
of
governors
is
made
up
of
all
three
divisions
so
to
a
few
questions
earlier
about
size
of
institution
level,
of
competition,
etc.
N
When
we
talk
about
nil,
starting
off
with
the
board
of
governors,
we're
talking
about
this
on
an
association-wide
level,
so
division,
one
division,
two
and
division,
three,
the
board
of
governors
when
it
charged
each
division
with
coming
up
with
its
own
nil
policy.
They
came
back
together
and
came
up
with
the
interim
policy,
but
before
we
did
that
at
least
in
division
one,
we
established
a
working
group
in
the
winter
of
2020,
as
you
can
see,
and
that
working
group
was
comprised
of
athletic
directors.
N
Presidents,
practitioners,
student
athletes,
all
the
people
who
are
really
intricately
involved
with
nio.
They
were
at
the
table,
making
sure
the
policy
recommendations
made
the
most
sense
from
a
student-athlete
perspective
and
also
protected
college
sports
as
best
it
could,
once
the
interim
policy
was
adopted
in
july
of
2021
that
really
kicked
off
all
of
the
opportunities
that
we
heard
from
the
previous
presenters.
That's
when
student
athletes
could
begin
to
take
advantage
of
nil.
It's
important
to
note
that
july
2021
was
an
important
date,
because
a
lot
of
the
state
laws
went
into
effect
then.
N
And
so
there's
a
lot
of
words
on
this
page
I'll,
acknowledge
that.
But
let
me
just
say
a
few
things
that
I
think
are
important
to
highlight:
number
one:
we're
talking
about
all
of
the
ncaa
rules
that
related
to
nio
previously
being
suspended,
so
student
athletes
in
all
states
can
take
advantage
of
these
opportunities.
That's
the
main
thing,
that's
the
main
takeaway!
N
I
want
you
to
have
with
the
middle
section
of
all
of
those
words
in
addition
to
that,
as
many
states
did,
the
ncaa
interim
policy
now
allows
for
student
athletes
to
hire
professional
service
providers
like
agents
to
help
with
nil
opportunities,
and
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
now,
two
more
important
important
points
number
one.
The
ncaa
will
continue
or
is
continuing
its
normal
enforcement
action
as
it
relates
to
malfeasance.
N
So
all
of
the
rules
and
the
rest
of
our
you
know
bylaws
those
remain
in
effect.
The
only
bylaws
that
are
suspended
are
the
nil
bylaws.
That
means,
if
there's
any
other,
bylaw
that's
implicated
here.
Those
will
be
enforced
by
our
enforcement
staff
and
because
this
is
a
membership
organization,
like
don
said,
the
schools
themselves
enforcing
against
their
peers
and
then
finally,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
ncaa
does
not
interpret
state
law.
N
N
N
We
still
have
a
bylaw
that
says
you
cannot
have
pay
for
play
and
what
that
means
in
the
context
of
nil,
and
this
is
very
narrow
and
very
specific,
but
what
it
means-
and
I
can
best
share
an
example.
I
think
to
illustrate
this.
It
means
that
you
can't
pay
a
student
athlete
based
on
the
number
of
free
throws
that
she
makes
you
can't
pay
a
student
athlete
based
on
the
number
of
touchdown
passes
he
throws
or
the
number
of
home
runs.
She
hits
that's
the
pay
for
play,
that's
not
permissible.
Under
this
interim
policy.
N
N
Now,
there's
a
bunch
of
other
rules
that
are
related
to
nil,
for
example,
our
employment
rules,
those
are
still
in
play
and
they
say
things
like
the
work
actually
has
to
be
performed.
So
you
can't
pay
a
student
athlete
to
do
something
and
if
she
doesn't
do
it
you're
still
paying
her.
That
would
not
be
permissible
same
thing
for
a
quid
pro
quo.
There
has
to
be
quid
pro
quo,
so
the
student
athlete
has
to
perform
a
service
for
the
payment
from
the
nil
provider.
N
We
also
have
rules
that
surround
whether
boosters
can
be
involved
in
the
nil
opportunities
at
its
foundation.
Boosters
can
be
involved
so
just
because
you're,
a
booster
of
nevada
reno,
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
be
involved
in
an
nil
activity,
but
what
you
can't
do
is
engage
with
the
prospect
and
promise
an
nil
agreement
if
you
attend
nevada
reno,
that
would
be
impermissible
contact
by
a
booster
and
then
finally,
we
have
financial
aid
requirements
that
are
still
in
play.
I
think
it
was.
N
I
think
it
was
karina
that
said
earlier,
she
mentioned
the
byu
case
and
that's
a
good
example
that
we
are
not
going
to
get
involved
in
activities
that
are
consistent
with
state
law
as
long
as
they
don't
obviously
violate
our
rules.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
that
when
we
answer
questions
from
our
schools,
we're
doing
it
with
the
full
set
of
understanding
of
the
facts
before
we
make
those
decisions
next
slide
there
we
go
okay,
so
you
heard
from
I
think
it
was
sebastian.
N
He
talked
about
open
doors,
providing
information
or
that's
where
he
got
a
lot
of
his
information.
This
information
is
from
open
doors
and
influencer,
which
is
another
vendor
in
this
space,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
information
is
a
bit
stale,
so
the
numbers
you
see
on
the
screen
are
not
the
important
thing.
As
you
can
see,
these
are
the
first
90
days
of
the
policy
and
now
we're
eight
to
nine
months
into
the
policy.
So
the
numbers
themselves
are
not
important,
but
the
trends
are
so.
N
The
trends
are
things
that
we're
focusing
on,
or
at
least
paying
attention
to,
for
example,
what
are
the
opportunities
for
men
compared
to
the
opportunities
for
women
who's
earning
this
money?
Is
it
a
small
segment
of
student
athletes?
Is
everybody
involved
as
you'll
hear
from
scott?
In
just
a
minute
we
have
found
that
student
athletes
in
all
sports
are
benefiting
from
this
men:
women,
wrestlers,
volleyball
participants.
N
In
fact,
within
the
first
three
months,
volleyball
was
the
number
two
sport.
Women's
volleyball
was
a
number
two
sport
in
total
dollars
earned.
So
it's
changed
a
little
bit
because
of
some
high
dollar
nil
agreements
in
women's
basketball,
for
example,
and
in
men's
basketball,
but
we're
seeing
fluctuations.
N
L
You
did
hear
some
very
good
testimony
earlier,
and
so
I'm
trying
not
to
be
repetitive.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
there's
a
lot
of
good
happening
around
name
image
and
likeness
student
athletes
are
benefiting
and
they're
doing
it
in
a
variety
of
ways.
The
intent
of
the
policy
was
and
is
for,
the
regular
student
and
the
student
athlete
to
benefit
in
in
similar
ways
and
so
the
tremendous
opportunities
of
social
media,
digital
platforms,
the
ability
for
small
business
incubators.
L
Many
of
this
is
fueled
by
higher
ed
across
the
spectrum
from
community
college
to
graduate
school,
and
so
it's
the
idea
of
nil
being
allowed
was,
was
really
to
put
the
student
athlete
even
with
the
regular
student
body,
and
that
would
be
not
only
highlighting
athletics.
L
But,
but
also
other
talents
and
and
other
interests
that
can
merge
and
create
some
very
interesting,
hybrid
opportunities
as
influencers
and
as
as
as
entrepreneurs.
L
It's
an
opportunity
to,
and
the
state
statute
covers,
the
idea
of
education
being
very,
very
important
for
the
student
athlete
and
for
the
student
generally
to
learn
financial
skills
and
to
have
resources
available
to
the
students
so
that
their
businesses
can
flourish,
and
it
is
to
harness
not
only
those
on
campus
but
those
who
might
be
in
their
social
community
but
very
importantly,
for
those
financial
skills
and
reliance
on
others
where,
where
they
don't
have
that
skill
themselves,
so
that
good
decisions
are
being
made
and
that
real
benefits
are
occurring
so
don.
L
If
you
could
advance
again,
you
heard
many
very
good
comments.
Let
me
just
offer
at
least
some
perspectives
at
the
student-athlete
level,
the
institution
level
and
at
the
national
level,
around
the
present
state
of
name,
image
and
likeness,
and
what
we
think
the
future
state
might
be
for
the
student
athlete
going
back
to
that
educational
component
and
the
need
to
surround
oneself
with
professional
service
providers
to
help
them
help
make
decisions.
L
What
we're
going
to
see
in
this
year,
where
the
tax
year
for
2021
has
ended?
We
saw
some
significant
nil
activity,
the
tax
burden,
our
students
prepared
for
the
fact
that
the
revenue
earned
by
and
large
came
as
contracts
came
as
revenue
that
was
not
taxed
on
the
front
end
of
the
transaction,
and
that
is
reportable
income,
and
so
there
are
concerns
around
whether
there
will
be
surprise
and
the
inability
for
students
to
meet
their
tax
burdens.
L
L
They
already
are
achieving
their
athletics
based
aid
and
that
may
have
an
impact
on
other
aid
available
to
them,
but
for
other
students.
The
fact
that
that
this
income
is
being
earned
may
well
have
impact
on
their
financial
aid
being
provided
by
the
school
based
on
need
the
eligibility
for
pell
grants
and
again
it.
I
think
schools
are
doing
a
very
good
job,
trying
to
educate
their
students
about
these.
These
issues-
and
you
have
subject
matter
experts
on
your
panel
and
and
in
the
room
who
can
speak
to
this?
L
Better
than
I
can
in
terms
of
the
efforts
being
made,
I've
mentioned
the
need
for
quality
advisors
and
and
how
students
may
go
about
selecting
those
advisors
and
the
role
of
that
institutions
can
appropriately
play
in
in
directing
people
directing
students
to
people
who
are
looking
out
for
their
interests.
L
And
then
the
final
issue
that's
been
raised,
including
by
our
student
athlete
advisory
committee
at
the
national
level,
the
ncaa
has
a
variety
of
student
athlete
input
coming
in
through
these
student
athlete
advisory
committees
and
they
have
seats
at
the
table
for
our
committee
discussions
around
policy
and
and
they've
raised
the
stress
mental
health
challenges
around
nil,
the
feeling
that
one
may
not
be
keeping
up
with
their
teammates
on
nil
opportunities,
eager
self-worth
issues,
the
stresses
of
time.
L
L
It
is
an
interest
in
learning
more
about
what
stresses
are
occurring
because
of
nil
understanding
that
there
again
are
very
many
good
things
happening
at
the
institution
level.
These
are
issues
that
I
know
also
could
be
addressed
by
those
in
the
room
and
and
on
your
panel.
But
the
fact
is
that
the
the
placement
of
the
institution
by
state
law
create
ethical
and
contractual
and
perhaps
other
legal
risks
there.
When
we
speak
of
disclosure
around
student
athlete
transactions,
it's
managing,
who
has
that
relevant
information,
and
how
is
that
being
protected?
L
And
what
is
the
appropriate
amount
of
assistance
being
given
there,
understanding
that
there's
reliance
on
what
the
institution
says
or
what
a
coach
may
say
that
just
need
to
be
worked
through
from
a
legal
counsel
perspective
and
from
a
compliance
perspective.
L
There
are
going
to
be
inevitable
contract
disputes
and
that
will
be
very
important
for
students
again
to
have
appropriate
representation,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
campuses
are
tracking
on
those
issues.
There
may
be
arguments
that
contracts
were
one-sided,
that
they
were
unfair,
that
they
were
onerous
and
perhaps
even
unlawful,
and
so
inevitably
the
contract
disputes
will
arise.
L
The
use
of
marx
is
university,
trademarks
and
slogans
and
mascots
there's
a
quality
control,
licensing
issue
that
that
also
needs
to
be
batted
by
campuses
and
and
visibility
given
to
students
about
what
those
limitations
are,
and
it
has
been
mentioned,
but
I'll
say
one
more
time:
the
impact
of
gender
equity
and
of
minority
representation
in
nil
activities
to
the
extent
a
school
gets
involved
in
creating
opportunities
or
in
facilitating
opportunities.
Are
there
gender
title
ix
consequences
to
that
as
an
example?
L
Finally,
again,
it
was
spoken
to
the
lack
of
uniformity
across
the
50
states
remains
a
concern
at
the
national
level.
You've
you've
heard
about
repeal
efforts,
you've
heard
about
amendments
you've
heard
about
inconsistency
which
creates
great
confusion.
Again,
our
national
sac
student
athlete
advisory
committee
members
spoke
to
that
confusion
and
expressed
concern
around
the
lack
of
uniformity.
Even
with
an
interim
policy
laid
over.
L
It
still
leaves
an
awful
lot
of
variance
and
many
of
the
state
statutes
don't
deal
with
the
pre-enrollment
recruiting
space
of
which
there
were
questions
earlier
and,
and
that
also
creates
ambiguity
and
and
where
there
is
ambiguity
there,
there
perhaps
is
legal
risk.
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
along
with
my
colleagues
at
this
time.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
you
all
so
much
for
that
very
good
and
informative
presentation.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
the
committee
members.
C
For
the
record,
eric
depamceno
dave
scott
dawn.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
that
information.
I'm
curious
as
a
compliance
officer
at
my
university
with
respect
to
the
ncaa.
Do
they
currently
have
an
active
nil
committee
that
is
going
through
what
potentially
could
be
a
recommended
model
for
us
on
campus
practitioners
to
have
some
sort
of
guidelines
with
respect
to
the
execution
and
expectations
of
nil
on
campus.
N
I'll
take
that
eric
again
for
the
record
dave
schneezy
with
the
national
office.
That's
a
really
good
question!
So
the
division,
one
council
just
appointed
a
working
group
to
study
nil
issues,
soar
eight
to
nine
months
into
this.
As
I
said,
the
working
group
is
going
to
look
at
a
variety
of
things,
looking
at
all
the
positives
that
are
going
on
some
of
the
challenges
that
scott
mentioned
and
then
also
possibly
they're
going
to
talk
about
best
practices,
so
how
that
plays
out.
N
C
I
have
a
couple
more
follow-up
questions.
Thanks.
Can
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
nil
in
respect
to?
I
know
that
it's
new
right
now
right,
so
everyone
is
focused,
hyper
focused
on
what
it
can
do
also
and
how
it
can
impact
athletics.
C
L
Yeah,
I
can
perhaps
address
this
scott
beer
veg
for
the
ncaa,
so
the
environment
for
the
ncaa
to
regulate
at
a
national
level
has
been
limited
and,
and
that
has
been
through
court
actions.
L
So
while
there
are
many
in
the
membership
who,
I
think,
would
love
for
national
rules
to
be
put
in
place,
those
are
our
going
to
be
restrained
from
it
from
happening
and
that
thus,
you
have
the
need
for
local
decision
making
until
there
is
a
federal
solution
through
congress
that
would
allow
for
national
regulation
or
some
willingness
by
congress
to
let
the
ncaa
create
some
of
those
rules,
because
the
the
rules
cannot
restrain
the
the
economic
opportunities
for
name,
image
and
likeness,
and
nor
should
we.
L
There
are
many
good
things
happening,
so
it
does
require
an
examination
of
campus
policies
that
speak
to
some
of
the
concerns
raised
that
not
only
involve
ncaa
rules
violations,
but
just
does
it
create
institutional
exposure.
Does
it
create
legal
exposure
and
and
how
a
school
feels
about
that?
L
That
being
said,
it
is
the
intent
through
the
committee
that
dave
mentioned
to
provide
guidance
where
we
can
around
those
current
rules,
so
it
is
around
the
behavior
of
boosters
and
and
whether
or
not
those
are
rep,
those
individuals
are
representing
the
institution
in
some
way.
That
would
be
inappropriate.
L
So
so
I'm
not
optimistic
you're
going
to
see
the
type
of
of
national
rule
making
that
our
schools
are
used
to,
at
least
until
there's
some
resolution
of
this
at
a
federal
level.
C
Thank
you-
and
I
don't
disagree
with
that,
but,
as
you
can
only
imagine,
we're
all
over
the
place
because
of
our
state
laws
or
lack
thereof,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
in
our
state
laws
that
are
silent
on
the
actual
day-to-day
operations
of
this.
The
last
question
I
had
in
scott
you
touched
on
this:
the
liability
that
is
presented
to
the
institutions
based
on
their
engagement
with
name
image
and
likeness
transactional
deals.
C
C
Should
they
identify
this
to
the
student
athlete
and
then
the
student
athlete
doesn't
follow
through
or
if
they
neglect
to
identify
that
responsibility
to
the
student
athlete.
So
I
mean
we're
we're
now
having
as
a
compliance
practitioner
debate
with
our
legal
counsel
in
terms
of
what
we
can
and
can't
do,
and
that's
that
actually
has
not.
It
hasn't
been
the
case
up
until
now.
They've
always
been
very
supportive
and
advocates
of
rural
following,
but
now
they're
they're
pulling
out
a
liability
card,
and
I
don't
know
how
much
you
have
all
heard
on
this.
L
No
absolutely
we're
hearing
that
as
well.
There
is.
A
L
Sorry,
scott
barbie
from
the
ncaa
national
office
for
the
record.
Yes,
so
there
is
a
national
association
of
college
lawyers.
You
have
a
panelist
who's
part
of
that
and
the
issue
of
name,
image
and
likeness
is,
is
being
debated
and
discussed
among
the
legal
community,
the
higher
ed
legal
community
and
not
specific
to
the
ncaa,
but
but
across
all
higher
ed,
which
nacuo
has
membership.
For
I
think
a
rule
of
thumb
I
share
with
those
is:
how
are
you,
how
are
your
policies
related
to
the
regular
student
body?
L
Are
you
following
those
policies?
Do
you
provide
advice
to
the
regular
student
body,
and
so,
if,
if
you're
not,
then
it
seems
to
me
reasonable
to
ask
the
question:
what
is
it
about
student
athletes
that
would
cause
you
to
intervene?
More
and
and
those
are
judgment
and
reputation,
questions
that
institutions
have
to
make.
L
But
you
know
by
and
large
it
you're
gonna
be
judged
by
the
the
interaction
with
your
regular
student
body,
relative
to
your
student
athlete
body
and
and
and
to
document
where
you're
providing
advice
where
you're
providing
reliance
by
the
students,
even
in
including
recommending
professional
advisors
and
the
implications
of
that.
So
it's
there
are
steps
you
can
take
and
I
know
are
being
taken.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
is
a
reputational
and
legal
risk
question
that
schools
are
going
to
have
to
answer.
F
Dexter
irvin.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
answering
some
of
these
questions
relative
to.
Maybe
jeff
will
touch
on
these
in
a
little
while,
but
one
of
the
questions
we
have
is
is
in
transfer
students,
of
course,
that
may
have
already
engaged
in
activities
and
they
might
have
had
a
deal
at
a
four-year
school.
F
They
transferred
to
a
two-year
school
four
two
four
transfer,
the
2-4
transfer,
all
those
transfers
and
how
those
affect
their
eligibility
and
how
we
regulate
those-
and
the
other
question
I
have
is
it
is
new,
but
do
we
know
how
much
time
student
athletes
are
really
spending
on
this?
F
At
this
point,
during
a
day
a
week,
the
the
rumors
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
hear
are
very
concerning
about
how
much
time
student
athletes
are
spending
outside
the
classroom
outside
their
practice
time,
which
is
controlled
right
on
their
on
their
agreements
with
other
providers.
Here.
Thank
you.
N
N
We
do
know-
or
we
have
heard,
that
it
is
taking
quite
a
bit
of
time,
especially
for
the
sweat
equity
kind
of
activities,
whether
it's
running
a
camp
or
providing
lessons
those
kinds
of
things
that
really
require
big
time
commitment.
As
you
probably
know
a
lot
of
the
social
media
activities,
they
do
require
a
lot
of
time
to
make
it
really
worthwhile.
N
So
we're
paying
attention
to
that.
Our
student
athlete
advisory
committees
are
paying
attention
to
that.
But
without
a
consistent
data
push
we
don't
we
don't
have
that.
F
And
then
on
the
transfers
is
there?
Is
there
a
policy
relative
to
transfer
students
and
how
their
their
deals
are?
Potential
deals
and
that
transition
from
a
two-year
school
to
a
four-year
school
or
from
two
four
back
to
two
I
mean
obviously,
there's
all
sorts
of
transfer
scenarios,
but
there's
a
pretty
open
landscape
right
now
to
to
young
people
moving
institutions
and
so
how,
whether
it's
at
the
ncaa
level
or
at
the
junior
college
level.
L
I
can
start
scott
derby
for
the
ncaa
national
office.
L
The
the
the
issue
of
transfer
and
inducement
to
transfer
is
one
of
the
areas
that
the
committee
that
dave
mentioned
will
take
a
look
at,
but
but
the
policy
right
now
again
would
address
things
like
improper
inducement
to
have
a
student
move
to
another
campus,
improper,
meaning
that
it
is
entirely
based
on
an
nil
transaction,
and
it
does
raise
some
of
those
contractual
dispute
questions
I
I
mentioned,
which
is
what
happens
to
the
nil
opportunities
that
the
student
had
at
the
prior
school
or
or
in
in
the
prior
city
or
community?
L
Does
that
mean
that
the
students
in
breach
of
that
contract
does
the
contract
terminate
and
and
what
are
the
representations
being
made
that
are
tied
to
attendance
at
a
particular
school
or
on
a
particular
team
versus
an
nil
that
might
be
a
digital
social
media
type
transaction?
So
I
I
do
think
there
are
going
to
be
contractual
issues
raised
that
a
student
may
not
be
focusing
on
when
they're
considering
transfer,
particularly
if
it's
primarily
based
on.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
will
now
go
to
carson
city
to
miss
neveress
goodson
and
her
questions
will
be
followed
by
miss
norris
norris
and
then
mr
lee,
never
as
good
cinco
ahead.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
the
record,
yvonne
navares
goodson.
I
was
curious.
Actually,
some
of
the
the
data
in
the
report
here
indicates
that
individuals
are
required
to
report
their
nil
activities,
as
required
under
state
law,
and
our
state
law
indicates
that
student
athletes
are
required
to
report
these
activities
to
the
institutions.
Is
there
any
institutional
mandate
up
to
the
ncaa
to
report
this
data
or
how
is
the
ncaa
tracking
that
data.
N
E
For
the
record
caitlyn
norris,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
some
questions
on
the
mental
health
and
kind
of
gender
equity
side
of
the
nil
brand
deals.
And
things
like
that.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
are
any
like
regulations
currently
in
place
in
other
states
that
are
experiencing
these
new
nil
policies
to
deal
with,
like
the
high
volume
of
brand
deals
that
might
be
coming
at
athletes
coming
right
out.
The
gate
with
like
certain
policies
and
just
making
sure
that
things
could
kind
of
be
equal
on
both
the
men's
and
women's
sides.
I
I
can
certainly
take
the
first
stab
at
that.
This
is
don
booth
for
the
record
from
the
ncaa.
I
I
I'm
not
sure-
and
maybe
your
previous
panelist
andrew
smalley
might
be
well
positioned
to
answer
this
too.
I'm
not
sure
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
legislation
or
laws
that
address
the
gender
equity
side
of
it
in
nil.
I
So
I'm
not
sure
I
could
speak
to
that.
I'm
not
sure
scott
or
david
got
anything
to
add,
but
not
that
I
have
seen.
L
The
the
issue
of
mental
health
is,
is
one
that
I
think
has
been
most
addressed
at
the
campus
at
the
campus
levels
and
again
that
has
been
a
voice
through
the
student-athlete
advisory
committees
that
the
ncaa
has,
and
it's
really
managed,
not
by
a
national
rule,
but
rather
by
encouragement
to
seek
whatever
advice
and
counsel
that
a
student
needs
in
order
to
address
nil
opportunities,
nil
contracts,
and
so
those
resources
may
take
a
variety
of
forms,
but
it
it
hasn't
been
the
case
again.
L
If
you
look
at
the
student
body,
the
regular
student
body,
there
are
no
restrictions
or
rules
around
how
much
time
they
can
devote
to
nil,
and
it
raises
a
question
why
student
athletes
would
be
any
different,
such
that
a
national
association
would
regulate
it.
A
team
might
regulate
a
school,
might
regulate
it,
an
athletic
department
might
regulate
it,
that's
their
relationship
with
their
students,
but
but
the
general
equation
is
how
does
the
student
regular
student,
the
non-athlete
student,
engage
in
this
space
and
how
can
the
student
athlete
do
so?
Similarly,.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Any
further
questions
miss
norris.
E
No,
that
is
all
I
had
to
ask.
Thank
you
for
your
responses.
G
Yes,
devonta
lee,
I
wanted
to.
I
answered
the
question
about
the
time
spent
on
nli.
That
was
asked.
We
have.
I
I
feel
like
we
have
to
understand
that.
Sometimes
we
get
lost
in
the
fact
that
we
get
our
tuition
and
our
our
school
paid
for
it.
That
people
forget
that
we're
actually
human.
You
know
we
actually
like
regular
people
too.
G
You
really
don't
have
that
much
money
left
so
with
these
nli
deals,
they're
really
offering
you
an
outlet
to
where
you
don't
have
to
take
so
much
time
away
and
really
go
in
and
have
a
job
and
really
lose
focus
of
lose
focus
of
your
sport
to
provide
for
yourself,
because
I
feel
like
that
they
don't
ask
most
most
people
most
nli
deals.
They
don't
ask
too
much
from
you.
G
They
don't
ask
you
to
do
too
much
or
waste
too
much
time,
they're
really
based
on
on
on
you,
your
time
they
really
are
trying
to
look
out
for
you
in
my
in
my
opinion.
So
when
I,
when
I
just
think
about
the
time
they're
spent
on
it's
really
not
too
much
time
to
spend
on
it,
I
would
just
say
that
they
are.
G
They
are
basically
giving
us
help
because
everyone
says
like
they
get
their
tuition
paid
for
they
get
this
paid
for
it
all
this
and
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
get
paid
one
time
a
month,
one
time
a
month
and
that's
all
with
just
fifteen
hundred
dollars.
If
you
have
a
forty
hour
week,
then
you're
not
getting
nothing
but
nine
dollars
an
hour.
G
That's
basically
minimum
wage,
and
so
you're
really
trying
to
really
trying
to
stay
on
task
stay
to
be
the
best
athletes
you
can
be,
but
you
have
athletes
like
most
of
my
teammates
have
second
jobs
after
we
do
all
this
work
after
they
get
done
with
classes.
They
end
at
six
o'clock,
they're
going
to
a
restaurant,
try
to
bust
some
tables.
So
this
is
really
helping,
I
would
say,
will
really
help
to
just
so
we
can
focus
on
our
our
sport
and
and
everything
that
we
need
to
do
so.
A
Thank
you,
mr
lee,
for
that
insight.
I
would
also
it
makes
me
think
of
something
that
mr
eric
mentioned
in
that
we
don't
track
other
forms
of
employment,
and
with
that
being
the
case,
we
don't
track
student
athletes
who
have
second
jobs
and
what
those
second
jobs
are.
How
much
time
it
consumes.
Is
that
correct?
Mr.
A
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
adding
that
that
context
to
it.
Mr
lee,
I
want
to
thank
the
to
the
nc2a
members
for
joining
us.
I
do
have
one
quick
question
before
we
move
on,
and
this
is
just
to
that
national
conversation.
A
I
know
mr
smalley
mentioned
that
you
know
it's.
It
seems
a
bit
dormant
now
with
all
that's
going
on,
but
I
can
imagine
that
you
all
are
have
your
ear
to
the
ground,
knowing
what's
real,
what
the
rumblings
are
as
soon
as
they
start.
So
I'm
curious
to
know
if
you
agree
with
with
mr
smalley's
information
on
the
national
the
federal
perspective
as
to
moving
any
of
this
legislation
forward.
Is
it
kind
of
dead
right
now?
Is
it?
Is
it
moving
along?
What
does
that
look
like
from
your
perspective.
I
I
You
know
last,
I
think,
some
of
the
challenges
amongst
federal
legislators.
I
think
there
is
vast
agreement
that
a
federal
solution
is
not
only
necessary
but
important
for
student
athletes,
but
what
that
vehicle
looked
like,
I
think,
still
still
there's
some
discussions
about
about
what
that
could
look
like.
A
C
You
I
apologize
last
question
promise
for
the
record
eric
de
paceno.
I
wanted
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
the
concept
of
fair
market
value.
As
we
talk
about
employment
deals,
one
of
the
trends
within
the
ncaa
is,
you
know,
we're
establishing
a
fair
market
value.
I
recently
saw
a
deal
for
eight
million
dollars
tied
to
nil.
C
L
From
the
office
offer
some
thoughts,
so
the
the
issue
of
fair
market
value
is
one
that,
by
its
economic
restriction
and
the
idea
of
something
being
too
valued,
those
are
real
concerns
to
set
at
a
national
level
or
and
and
to
be
very
careful
to
track
in
an
organized
way
at
an
at
a
national
level.
So
the
association
is
not
collecting
financial
information.
L
There
are
groups
in
this
in
the
business
like
open
doors
and
others
that
are
receiving
some
of
that
information,
and
they
may
well
be
trying
to
establish
for
anyone
who
might
be
a
client
of
theirs.
What
fair
market
value
is,
but
we
know
that
the
concept
of
fair
market
value,
particularly
in
this
day
and
age,
is
very,
very
challenging.
L
L
L
What
the
concern
is
from
campuses,
of
course,
is
when
that
market
value
is,
is
tied
to
that
athletics
performance,
and
that's
where
that
examination
of
the
current
rules
and
whether
or
not
those
rules
are
being
violated.
So,
in
my
mind,
the
responsibility
of
a
campus
one
is:
does
your
state
law
deal
with
fair
market
value?
L
So
in
summary,
fair
market
value
is
almost
impossible
right
now
to
to
define,
even
if,
even
if
the
national
association
could
and
was
empowered
to
do
so-
and
it
really
does
fall
for
better
for
worse
on
the
campus
to
through
that
disclosure
to
to
understand
what
that.
What
what's
behind
that
transaction,
as
best
excuse
me
as
best
they
can.
A
All
right,
thank
you
is
that
good,
perfect!
All
right!
Thank
you
all
so
very
much
for
your
time
and
for
answering
all
of
our
questions
and
the
information
that
you
all
provided
hope
that
we
can
reach
out
to
you
in
the
future.
If
we
need
to-
and
at
this
time
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
presentation,
with
the
njcaa.
A
Perfect,
so
you
all
can
get
started
whenever
you're
ready.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
jeff
white,
vice
president
of
legal
human
resources
and
information
technology
with
the
national
junior
college,
athletic
association
for
the
record.
Along
with
me
today,
I
have
keele
huber,
I'm
going
to
briefly
turn
it
over
to
keel
to
introduce
himself.
O
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
kiel
huber,
I'm
currently
a
third
year
law
student
at
belmont
university
college
of
law
in
nashville
tennessee.
I've
had
the
privilege
this
semester
of
serving
as
a
legal
extern
for
the
njcaa
through
our
school's
field
placement
program.
My
experience
with
the
nj
stepway
actually
dates
back
to
my
childhood.
O
However,
my
dad
was
involved
with
the
organization
as
a
junior
college,
athletic
director
in
moline
illinois
as
a
region
director
of
nj
stovela
region
4,
which
covers
about
24
schools
in
northern
illinois
in
southern
wisconsin,
and
he
was
also
heavily
involved
with
the
organization
on
a
national
level.
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
nil
policies
throughout
law
school
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here.
Thank
you
committee
for
having
us.
M
Jeff
white
for
the
record,
just
a
couple
comments.
M
I'd
like
to
make
before
switching
over
to
the
powerpoint
presentation
in
light
of
the
information,
that's
already
been
shared,
we'll
probably
move
pretty
quickly
through
our
deck,
but
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
at
least
acknowledge
that
I've
been
champing
at
the
bit
here,
looking
to
jump
in
on
some
of
the
conversation
with
all
of
the
the
questions
that
have
come
up
and-
and
I
will
I
do
want
to
add-
that
I
have
had
the
the
pleasure
and
opportunity
to
work
with
a
variety
of
work
groups
across
the
united
states
doing
exactly
what
this
group
has
set
out
to
do,
and
I
have
asked
some
of
the
same
fundamental
questions.
M
Why
is
the
state
legislator
making
that
a
requirement
for
member
institutions
that
requirement
doesn't
exist
for
non-athletes?
Why
does
it
exist
for
athletes?
And
I'm
not
here
to
suggest
that
I
have
the
answer
for
that.
I
certainly
have
my
opinions
on
that,
but
it
is
the
state
legislators
that
have
created
these
complexities
and
that
those
complexities
just
aren't
in
place
for
the
the
music
major
that
plays
the
trumpet
and
that
signs
a
music
a
recording
deal
and
has
gigs
on
the
side.
They're
not
getting.
Those
approved.
There's
no
oversight
of
that.
M
There's
no
disclosure
necessary
because
the
state
legislator
hasn't
said.
We
need
to
know
what
kind
of
other
work
that
you're
doing.
M
So
with
that,
I
will,
as
I
said,
jump
into
our
powerpoint
presentation
here
and
again,
we'll
probably
move
through
it
a
bit
more
quickly
in
light
of
the
fact
that
much
of
it
has
has
already
been
addressed
so
bear
with
me
for
a
second,
as
I
get
that
going.
M
Okay,
I
presume
everyone
can
see
my
screen.
M
So
here
you
can
see
the
nj
surveillance
mission
statement,
the
nj
civil,
a
has
a
long
history
of
of
equity
and
inclusion.
M
Many
people
aren't
familiar
with
the
national
junior
college,
athletic
association,
and
so
mr
huber's
going
to
spend
some
time
talking
a
bit
more
about
our
history.
But
suffice
it
to
say
we
we
are
pretty
old,
we're
pretty
large
and
we
offer
a
really
diverse
and
robust
student
body.
M
We
are
going
to
walk
through
our
nil
policies
and
discuss
the
implications
of
name
image,
likeness
and
really,
as
mr
irvin
mentioned
earlier,
for
us
we're
in
a
unique
position
in
that
we
have
many
transfer
students,
and
so
it's
it's
critically
important
that
we
understand
that
the
decisions
that
we
make
impact
students
as
they
transfer
on
to
their
four-year
schools.
O
Thank
you,
jeff.
The
nj
subway
was
founded
in
1938.
It
is
currently
the
second
largest
governing
body
for
collegiate
athletics,
the
largest
for
junior
college
athletics.
There
are
over
500
member
schools
across
the
vast
majority
of
the
continental
united
states,
and
it
is
organized
somewhat
uniquely
in
that
there
are
24
regions
primarily
designed
to
encourage
regional
comp,
a
competition
as
opposed
to
maybe
some
of
the
ncaa
division,
one
schools
which
may
do
a
little
more
traveling
until
you
get
to
the
national
championship
stage.
Our
schools
will
mostly
compete
within
their
region.
O
We
also
sanction
a
wide
variety
of
sports
from
the
more
traditional
football
basketball
softball
baseball
to
some
sports.
You
may
not
think
about
men's
and
women's
bowling
and
also
more
recently,
esports,
which
I
know
jeff,
was
also
very
heavily
involved
with,
and
it's
definitely
something
that's
going
to
be
pretty
prominent
in
the
future
going
forward.
There
are
also
a
lot
of
notable
nj
stubble
alumni
and
one
that
I've
listed
here.
O
Bryce
harper
is
very
relevant
to
the
state
of
nevada
born
and
raised
in
las
vegas,
and
also
an
alum
of
the
college
of
southern
nevada.
I
believe
it
was,
and
that's
someone
who
certainly
if
he
had
been
in
junior
college,
coming
up
these
days
as
someone
who
could
have
capitalized
on
name
image
and
likeness,
I'm
pretty
certain
for
a
good
chunk
of
change.
I'm
considering
he
was
on
sports,
illustrated
all
the
way
back
when
he
was
in
high
school.
O
That's
a
bit
of
a
unique
situation
for
a
junior
college
athlete
as
some
of
the
other
prominent
professionals,
jimmy
butler
tyreek
hill
are
named.
You
probably
wouldn't
have
heard
about
in
high
school
and
were
somewhat
late
bloomers,
but
there
is
the
occasional
athlete
like
bryce
harper,
who
goes
the
junior
college
route
after
having
a
very
successful
amateur
career
in
high
school,
the
nj
stubbley
seeks
to
foster
a
national
program
of
athletic
participation,
equitable
opportunities
for
member
colleges
and
athletes.
As
jeff
stated
in
the
mission
statement,.
M
Jeff
white
for
the
record,
I
just
want
to
mention
that
some
specific
numbers,
the
njcaa,
has
520
member
colleges
across
the
united
states
and
about
65
000
student
athletes
and
a
little
over
a
third
of
those
student
athletes
are
first
generation
college
students.
So
I
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
highlight
that.
O
Go
ahead,
okay
and
then
getting
into
the
history
of
yeah
keel
huber
for
the
record.
The
the
nj
stable
is
nil.
History.
A
new
bylaw
was
passed
in
june
of
2021
right
around
the
same
time
as
the
ncaa
that
will
promote
and
provide
nil
opportunities
for
student
athletes
at
the
junior
college
level.
This
policy
change
was
prompted
by
the
changing
landscape
of
collegiate
athletics,
with
the
intersection
of
student
athletes,
rights
and
athletic
participation
prompted,
as
has
been
discussed
previously
in
the
with
the
changing
state
laws.
M
Jeff
white
for
the
record
here
is
just
a
listing
of
our
actual
bylaw,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
mean
it's,
it's
pretty
straightforward.
What
I
really
wanted
to
highlight
is
the
last
bullet
receiving
compensation
in
accordance
with
state
law,
from
our
perspective,
rather
than
further
muddying
the
waters
in
creating
any
additional
requirements
or
obligations
on
behalf
of
the
institutions,
and
it
sounds
like
similar
to
the
approach
that
the
ncaa
has
taken.
M
We
haven't
placed
any
additional
requirements
in
terms
of
reporting
or
tracking
or
anything
of
the
sort,
as
it
relates
to
our
members.
We
have
we've
found,
as
it
mentioned,
that
the
states
seem
to
be
doing
a
good
enough
job
of
creating.
M
What
some
would,
I
think
suggest,
is
an
unnecessary
level
of
overview
or
oversight
that
is
for-
and
I
think
mr
irvin
mentioned
this
earlier.
M
One
significant
difference
between
the
two-year
space
and
the
four-year
space
is
that
oftentimes
four-year
schools
have
a
compliance
department
and
compliance
professionals,
whose
only
responsibilities
is
adherence
with
national
governing
body
bylaws.
That
is
not
the
case
and
at
most
to
your
institutions,
there
are
certainly
some
that
offer
that,
but,
generally
speaking,
it
falls
on
the
shoulders
of
existing
staff,
and
so
for
you
know.
M
From
our
perspective,
we
really
wanted
to
be
mindful
of
the
burden,
any
additional
burden
that
we
would
be
placing
on
our
on
our
members
and
of
the
faculty
and
staff
that
work
directly
with
the
student
athletes
and
again
I
just
think
about
the
question.
M
They
came
up
regarding
fair
market
value
and
reviewing
and
approving
contracts-
and
you
know
arguably
you're
you're
you're,
probably
at
some
of
these
institutions,
placing
individuals
in
a
position
to
do
that
kind
of
work
that
you
know
may
have
never
really
received
adequate
training
or
oversight,
or
don't
have
that
kind
of
experience
to
do
that
kind
of
work.
M
And
so
when
those
requirements
are
put
into
place,
it
really
can
be
unduly
burdensome
on
a
lot
of
our
members
and
so
again
that
that's
something
that
we
were
very
mindful
of,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
despite
adherence
to
state
laws,
employees,
schools,
school
representatives
cannot
make
direct
payments
to
student
athletes
and
direct
payments
from
the
institution.
M
I
guess,
as
an
extension
in
exchange
for
athletic
performance
are
also
prohibited,
and
so
again
I
think
the
the
the
best
summary
that
I
can
provide
of
the
approach
that
the
nj
that
the
njcaa
took
was
to
really
defer
to
to
the
states.
And
obviously
it's
been
said
multiple
times
at
this
point.
It
would
be
cleanest
and
easiest
for
everyone
if
the
fed
would
step
in
and
develop
or
and
create
a
national
standard.
M
But
until
that
happens
rather
than
again
continuing
to
to
muddy
the
waters,
we
essentially
deferred
to
eats
in
each
institution
to
do
what
was
necessary
to
comply
with
state
laws
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
huber.
O
Kill
huber
for
the
record
now
we're
going
to
go
into
the
part
of
our
presentation
on
future
policy
considerations
for
nil
policies.
The
first
thing
that
we
need
to
consider
as
an
organization
is
policy
changes
made
by
other
collegiate
athletic
governing
bodies,
the
ncaa
and
the
naia.
Specifically,
this
is
uniquely
important
for
our
organization,
given
that
a
lot
of
njaa
athletes
do
transfer
and
we
are
a
two-year
organization.
They
can
continue
to
play
their
extra
two
years.
O
I
was
a
junior
college
athlete
I
stopped
after
two
years,
but
several
of
my
teammates
continued
to
go
on
and
play
at
four-year
schools,
but
we
have
to
have
standards
that
are
at
least
consider
that
are
somewhat
consistent
and
at
least
not
contradictory,
with
those
other
four-year
collegiate
other
governing
bodies,
and
another
issue
is
policy
changes
made
by
legislative
bodies,
as
has
been
heavily
discussed
over
the
last
couple
of
hours,
both
at
the
state
and
federal
level.
O
If
the
fed
does
choose
to
involve
itself
in
this
area
eventually
and
with
the
state
laws
that
are
currently
in
place
and
will
continue
to
be
passed
and
then
also
just
changes
in
societal
standards.
This
is
something
I
came
across
heavily
in
my
nio
research
when
I
wrote
my
paper
on
it
last
year.
Is
that
a
lot
of
these
state
laws
include
exemptions
for
certain
areas
where
endorsements
are
not
encouraged
or
are
not
necessarily
permitted,
albeit
alcohol
or
tobacco.
O
Sorts
of
thing
things
that
these
colleges
or
governing
bodies
may
not
want
to
be
associated
with
so
as
far
as
societal
standards
goes.
That
is
another
thing
to
potentially
consider.
O
And
then
the
implications
of
nil
changes
on
student
athletes
at
the
nj
aaa
level.
The
first
nil
deal
for
a
junior
college.
Athlete
was
dominic
brown
of
mississippi
community
college
he's
a
freshman
point
guard
and
it
was
signed
shortly
after
the
new
bylaw
went
into
place.
Several
other
nj
subway
athletes
have
fallen
in
brown's
footsteps
and
signed
nil
deals
and
all,
although
you
won't
see
for
the
most
part,
nj
stubby
athletes
may
be
signing
the
mega
deals
that
you'll
see
from
an
out
university
of
alabama
football
player.
O
Speaking
from
experience,
growing
up
around
junior
college
athletics,
a
lot
of
these
small
towns
really
rally
around
these
teams,
and
I
can
tell
you
specifically
remembering
from
visiting
basketball
games,
there's
one
one
school
in
freeport
illinois.
Highland
community
college
has
a
very
successful
nj
subway
division,
one
basketball
program
and
that
gym
was
packed
every
time
I
went
in
there.
I'm
sure
that
there
are
local
businesses
that
are
just
waiting
to
offer
these
athletes
opportunities
and
also
in
community
college.
Football
in
kansas
is
huge.
M
You
know
it's
probably
the
understatement
of
the
year
to
say
that
the
landscape
is
changing
in
the
world
of
collegiate
athletics
and
so
monitoring
compliance
with
amateurism
rules
certainly
is
part
of
our
ongoing
responsibilities
as
a
national
governing
body.
M
Again,
mr
irvin
mentioned
this
earlier.
The
the
concept,
the
idea
of
classifying
students,
student
athletes
as
employees
would
be
the
death
now
for
collegiate
athletics
at
a
number
of
schools,
and
it
wouldn't
just
be
two-year
schools.
The
cost
of
insurance
and
everything
associated
with
with
employment
would
really
have
a
negative
impact.
M
Though
I
have
read
and
heard
that
there's
consideration,
if
that
were
to
come
to
pass,
that
there
would
be
a
specific
carve
out
because,
as
has
been
mentioned
multiple
times,
the
real
focus
of
this
nil
really
is
the
power
five
and
it's
just
it's.
You
know
football
men's
and
women's
basketball,
vigilance
and
staying
updated
on
state
laws.
M
The
again
the
one
of
the
benefits
of
our
bylaw
is
that
we
have
given
deference
to
the
states
and
obviously
to
the
members
more
specifically
to
do
what
is
necessary
to
adhere
with
state
laws.
For
us,
quite
honestly,
and
as
keel
had
mentioned
earlier,
it's
really
more
about
keeping
tabs
and
keeping
track
of
what
the
ncaa
and
the
naia
are
doing
to
ensure
that
we
are
not
inadvertently
jeopardizing
the
the
eligibility
of
any
of
our
our
student
athletes.
M
So
what
I
would
say-
and
I
know
mr
irvin
had
asked
this
question
earlier-
regarding
the
impact
on
transfer
students.
Interestingly,
a
lot
of
the
institutional
policies
and
some
of
the
the
state
laws
that
I've
seen
actually
say
that
the
nid
and
the
nil
deal
automatically
expires
when
the
student
athlete
leaves
the
school
which
is
interesting
to
me.
I
have
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
trying
to
identify
other
contracts
where
a
non-party
to
the
contract,
not
even
a
third-party
beneficiary,
approves
the
contract.
M
Why
would
that
be
prohibited
or
precluded?
So
that
concludes
our
presentation
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
has.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Very
much
for
your
presentation.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
members
I'm
going
to
start
here
in
the
room.
If
you
have
a
question
just
let
me
know
all
right
go
ahead.
Mr
irvin.
F
Dexter
irvin
for
the
record
jeff.
Thank
you
guys,
kyle!
Thank
you
for
coming
on
and
representing
junior
college
athletics
because
it
is
critical.
You
know
we
we're
out
here
in
the
west,
we're
in
region
18,
which
I
happen
to
be
the
men's
director
of
that
goes
all
the
way
from
the
canadian
border
oklahoma
washington
down
into
southern
nevada.
F
It
is
a
geographically
huge
area,
but
with
pockets
of
interest
from
small
schools,
snow
college,
college
of
southern
idaho
that
have
tremendous
followings
again,
not
you're,
not
putting
25
000
people
in
an
arena,
but
you're
putting
5
000
people
in
a
place
that
has
a
lot
of
interest
and
so
on.
Those
student
athletes
are
transferring
and
so
they're
coming
to
idaho
state
and
unlv
and
unr
and
different
places
around
the
country,
and
we've
had
a
number
of
inquiries
at
the
college
of
southern
nevada.
F
But
we
have
not
yet
developed
our
policy
because
of
the
fluctuation
in
what
that
means
in
a
transfer
scenario,
we
just
weren't
sure
of
that.
Yet
so
that's
a
lot
of
verbiage
to
basically
say
to
you
that
we
need
more
guidance
relative
to
that
transfer
and
what
that
means
to
our
student
athletes
as
they
move
along.
M
M
So
obviously,
if
it's
an
interstate
or
interstate
transfer
that
you
know
you
should
be
okay,
but
obviously
it
could
get
hairy
theoretically
if
they
were
to
transfer
out
of
state,
but
again
those
that
I
have
seen
many
policies
and
laws
that
I've
seen
have
said
that
the
deal
expires
upon
graduation
or
unenrollment.
M
If
you
will-
and
so
I
would
venture
to
guess,
I
I
it
would
be
difficult
for
me
to
imagine
a
scenario
where
an
institution
would
look
at
a
previous
contract
as
though
it
may
have
negatively
affected
an
individual's
eligibility.
A
All
right,
thank
you
any
other
questions
here
in
the
room.
What
about
in
carson
we're
good,
miss
norris,
I
believe,
has
a
question
in
carson.
E
For
the
record
caitlin
norris,
I
had
a
question
kind
of
concerning
international
students,
because
I've
come
to
the
understanding
in
my
current
junior
college
career
that
there
is
a
high
presence
of
international
students,
especially
in
my
division
in
colleges
such
as
salt
lake,
community
college
and
snow
college.
These
are
colleges
where
a
lot
of
international
students
go
to
play
and
they
take
the
junior
college
route
to
kind
of
move
on
to
a
four
year,
hopefully
to
continue
their
athletic
careers.
E
M
Jeff
white
for
the
record.
Theoretically,
because
schools
are
not
supposed
to
play
a
role
in
securing
name
image
and
likeness
opportunities,
they
should
be
exactly
the
same.
They
should
have
the
same
opportunities
to
connect
with
with
any
business
or
organization
that
is
interested
in
working
with
a
student
athlete,
so
certainly
from
the
national
governing
body's
perspective,
and
I
would
imagine,
from
an
institutional
perspective
that
they
are
not
treated
any
differently.
F
C
Have
deferred
to
our
oiss
team
because
they
are
the
experts
in
that
field.
My
understanding
is
that
there
are
some
other
institutions
that
are
looking
at
these
nil
deals
and
defining
them
as
passive
income.
Again,
I'm
not
sure
what
those
implications
are
and
if
that's
permissible,
but
that
international
cohort
is
actually
one
that
we
are
all
trying
to
identify
what
the
rules
are
for
them.
So
I
don't.
Although
they
have
opportunities,
I'm
not
sure
they
can
take
advantage
of
them
as
easily
as
domestic
students.
A
E
For
the
record,
caitlyn
norris
yeah,
that
does
answer
my
question,
because
I
had
come
to
the
understanding
that
a
lot
of
these
students
were
on
educational
visas.
And
so
I
was
just
wondering
how
this
additional
income
that
would
come
from
nil
deals
would
kind
of
affect
that
situation
that
these
international
student
athletes
were
under.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Okay.
So
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
in
nj
ins,
I'm
going
to
say
this
wrong
ncjaa.
A
Nope
all
right
well,
thank
you,
mr
white
and
mr
hubert,
for
your
time
today
for
the
presentation.
We
really
appreciate
it.
Hopefully
our
our
staff
can
reach
out
to
you
for
further
information
if
we
need
it.
Thank
you
all
all
right,
moving
right
along
here
we're
going
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
7,
which
is
public
comment,
so
we're
going
to
open
up
for
our
second
round
of
public
comment.
If
you
are
listening
online
and
would
like
to
provide
public
comment,
please
call
669-900-6833.
A
Zero,
six,
zero
and
press
pound
to
all
to
allow
time
for
people
to
call
in
under
public
comment
we're
going
to
begin
with
public
comment
right
here
in
las
vegas
and
then
in
carson
city.
So
if
you
are
in
the
room
and
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
right
here
in
las
vegas,
you
could
do
so
at
this
time.
By
approaching
the
desk
looks
like
we
don't
have
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
make
comment
in
las
vegas?
What
about
carson
city?
A
From
my
view,
it
looks
pretty
empty
there
as
well
all
right,
so
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
phone
lines.
Bps.
Do
we
have
anyone
waiting
online
for
public
comment.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
for
that
bps.
A
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
agenda
item
eight,
it's
time
for
us
to
go
home,
so
I
wanna
thank
you
to
all
the
members
and
staff
and
everyone
who
testified
before
the
committee
today,
I'm
an
archived
version
of
today's
meeting
will
be
available
online
and,
finally,
I
would
like
to
know
the
committee
mem
to
the
committee
members
that,
after
today's
discussions,
if
issues
pop
up
on
your
radar
from
what
we've
learned
today,
that
you
think
would
be
interesting
for
this
committee
to
put
in
consideration
over
our
review.