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A
Good
morning,
everyone
happy
spring
and
for
sportsman
happy
first
day
to
look
at
big
game
applications.
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
of
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
natural
resources
to
order
before
we
get
started
a
few
housekeeping
notes.
A
Since
time
immemorial,
for
members
that
are
joining
us,
virtually,
please
be
sure
to
keep
your
video
on
so
that
we
know
we
have
a
quorum
and
please
be
sure,
to
meet
your
microphone
when
you're,
not
speaking
in
order
to
minimize
background
noise,
and
I
would
just
like
to
note
that
today
we
have
assemblywoman
bilberry
axelrod
joining
us
in
in
place
for
assemblywoman
peters.
So
with
that,
can
we
please
call
the
roll.
C
B
E
F
B
E
A
Cheer
watts
here,
thank
you.
We
have
a
quorum,
please
mark
senator
schaible
present
when
she
arrives.
She
is
gonna,
be
running
a
little
bit
late
today
before
we
get
into
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
A
870-5012-2791
and
then
press
pound
our
broadcast
and
production
services
staff
will
indicate
to
you
when
it's
your
turn
to
speak.
We
ask
the
public
comment
made
in
person
or
by
phone,
be
kept
to
three
minutes
so
that
everyone
interested
in
speaking
can
be
accommodated
and
to
ensure
we
get
through
the
agenda
in
a
timely
fashion.
Speakers
are
urged
to
avoid
repetition
of
comments
made
by
others.
A
So
with
that,
we'll
start
with
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
today,
which
is
public
comment.
Please
remember
when
providing
public
comment
to
clearly
state
and
spell
your
name
and
limit
your
remarks
to
three
minutes,
we'll
start
with
in
person.
Do
we
have
anyone
wishing
to
provide
public
comment
either
here
in
las
vegas
or
in
carson
city.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
senator
appreciate
that,
with
that
we'll
now
take
any
public
comment
by
phone
staff
in
our
broadcast
production
services.
Can
we
see
if
we
have
anybody
wishing
to
provide
public
comment
by
phone.
H
Meeting
chairman
watts
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
am
kyle
roerink
executive
director
of
the
great
basin
water
network.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
today
and
thank
you
for
focusing
on
this
important
subject
matter.
H
I
don't
need
to
tell
you
that
we
are
experiencing
the
worst
drought
in
1200
years
or
nor
do
I
need
to
remind
you
that
our
cities
are
among
the
fastest
growing
places
in
the
arid
west,
when
I
am
out
in
the
field
with
farmers,
tribal
members,
conservationists
and
others.
There's
one
consistent
thing,
I
hear
things
aren't
what
they
once
were.
H
H
I
have
some
general
comments
focusing
on
two
areas:
the
state
of
nevada
and
its
management
of
our
256
ground
water
basins
and
secondly,
the
water
management
and
urban
areas,
as
it
relates
to
the
state.
The
water
focused
efforts
in
this
body
during
the
last
five
or
ten
years
have
been
acrimonious
at
times.
That's
because
the
efforts
to
revise
water
law
have
not
always
been
done
in
good
faith.
H
However,
when
we
focus
on
community-based
efforts
like
the
useless
turf
bill
last
session,
we
set
a
national
and
global
example.
I
believe
there
is
hope-
and
I
think
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
for
the
state
is
to
ensure
that
the
division
of
water
resources
has
the
financial
means
to
do
the
job
that
is
already
outlined
in
the
statutes
and
regulations.
H
B
H
Relates
to
our
urban
areas,
what
is
the
margin
of
error?
What
are
the
limitations
paper?
Water
does
not
make
wet
water.
Look
at
the
colorado
river,
humboldt,
river
walker,
river,
carson,
river
and
truckee
river.
To
some
extent,
the
signs
of
change
are
everywhere.
You
can
show
reports
and
make
promises
about
the
future,
but
mother
nature
is
the
only
one
who
holds
the
answers.
H
Do
not
be
fooled
into
believing
that
the
all
growth
is
is
good.
Growth
model
won't
come
without
cost
in
the
environment,
ratepayers
and
taxpayers
in
the
future.
Again,
the
decisions
we
all
make
for
the
nevada
of
today
will
have
ripple
effects
for
the
nevada
of
tomorrow.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all.
A
A
A
A
B
G
J
K
B
K
A
Yes,
thank
you
with
that.
The
motion
passes
next
on
our
agenda.
We
have
a
presentation
on
water
issues
in
southern
nevada,
we'll
be
getting
a
presentation
from
the
southern
nevada
water
authority.
Welcome
mr
antsminger
and
ms
pellegrino
glad
to
have
you
here.
You
can
go
ahead
and
proceed
whenever
you're
ready
by
introducing
yourself
for
the
record.
L
Thank
you,
chair
watts,
john
enzinger,
general
manager
of
the
southern
nevada
water
authority,
for
the
record
with
me
today
is
snwa's
deputy
general
manager
for
resources.
Colby
pellegrino,
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
launch
right
into
our
presentation,
but
please
any
member
of
the
committee
that
has
questions
along
the
way.
I'm
happy
to
to
answer
as
we
go.
I
think
most
members
of
the
committee
are
familiar
with
where
southern
nevada
gets
the
the
bulk
of
our
water.
L
How
we
use
water
in
southern
nevada
is
is
very
important,
because
we
only
actually
deplete
water
from
the
colorado
river
system
when
we
use
water
outdoors
for
for
lawns
pools
water
features,
there
are
thousands
of
septic
systems
in
the
valley
that
consumptively
use
water
and
then
evaporative
cooling
together.
Those
three
uses
comprise
the
the
known
universe
of
what
we
can
do
in
conservation
in
order
to
lower
our
overall
water
demands,
because
indoor
use
simply
doesn't
matter
for
our
overall
water
resource
picture
flows
on
the
colorado
river.
L
This
shows
the
21st
century
to
to
date,
and
you
can
see
it's
it's
not
a
pretty
picture.
We
do
have
five
years
out
of
22
over
average,
but
2002
was
the
driest
year
in
recorded
history.
2012
and
2013
were
the
driest
back
to
back
years
in
recorded
history
right
up
until
2020
and
2021,
which
have
now
supplanted
12
and
13
as
the
driest
back-to-back
years
in
recorded
history,
and
if
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words.
L
These
three
pictures
are
probably
worth
several
thousand
words,
because
that
you
know
really
shows
where
we've
come
to
in
the
in
the
21st
century.
Going
from
you
know
almost
completely
full
when
lake
mead
is
completely
full.
The
surface
sits
at
1220
feet
above
sea
level.
Today,
at
34
percent,
full
we're
at
about
10
64.
L
L
These
are
the
probabilities
produced
by
the
u.s
bureau
of
reclamation,
and
you
see
that
the
minimum
probable
is
actually
the
10th
percent
hydrology.
So,
while
that's
very
bad
and
shows
the
possibility
of
going
below
10
25
as
early
as
next
year,
that's
not
a
worst
case
scenario.
You
still
have
you
know
nine
percent
chance
that
that
it
will
be
even
worse
than
that.
L
All
of
that
led
the
federal
government
to
declare
the
first
ever
water
shortage
on
the
colorado
river.
They
did
that
in
august
that
garnered
an
enormous
amount
of
national
and
international
press,
but
I
do
think
we
should
briefly
explain
shortage,
because
shortage
is
a
legal
term.
When
people
hear
shortage,
they
think
we're
out
of
water.
Today,
there's
going
to
be
water
rationing,
you
know
today,
but
legally,
what
it
means
is
your
legal
entitlement
to
colorado
river
is
reduced,
not
the
amount
of
water
you're.
L
L
Last
year
we
used
242.,
so
a
shortage
for
southern
nevada
means
we
have
less
extra
water
this
year,
which
doesn't
mean
it
should
be
taken
lightly,
but
it's
also
not
a
crisis
for
us
in
the
way
it
might
be
for
some
other
water
users,
the
the
second
side
of
the
problem.
The
first
side
of
the
problem
is
our
90
percent
of
our
water
supply
is
coming
from
an
imperiled
source.
L
The
second
part
of
our
challenge
is:
there's
a
lot
of
people
moving
to
southern
nevada.
This
shows
new
accounts
over
the
last
I
think
25th
2016
through
2021.
This
is
just
for
the
service
territory
of
the
las
vegas
valley,
water
district.
So
this
is
for
city,
las,
vegas
and
unincorporated
clark
county.
It
doesn't
include
north
las
vegas
and
henderson,
so
you
see
just
for
the
las
vegas
valley,
water
district.
We
had
over
9
300
new
connections
in
2021,
well
above
the
the
recent
past
and
in
excess
of
anything
we've
seen
since
before
the
recession.
L
The
other
half
of
this,
though,
is
that
henderson
and
north
las
vegas
combined
also
had
over
9
000
connections.
So
we
had
over
18
thousand
new
connections
in
the
las
vegas
valley,
just
in
2021.
L
L
If
you
add
up
the
the
compact,
the
treaty
with
mexico
system
losses,
there's
17.5
million
acre
feet
in
legal
rights
to
the
colorado
river,
and
before
this
year
we
were
using
12.9
as
our
worst
case
scenario.
Given
what
we've
seen
hydrologically
over
the
last
two
years,
we
decided
that
wasn't
bad
enough
to
assume.
For
a
worst
case
scenario,
we
talked
to
a
number
of
leading
climate
scientists
in
the
basin
and
settled
on
using
an
11
million
acre
foot
hydrology.
L
those
flat
parts
in
the
graph
that
you
see
beginning
in
the
early
2040s
and
then
for
quite
a
stretch
in
the
20
40s
and
2050s.
That's
deadpool!
That's
the
only
reason
the
lake
stays
at
900
is
because
the
bureau
of
reclamation
cannot
physically
release
water
downstream
to
california,
arizona
and
the
country
of
mexico.
L
L
Our
economy
is
growing
very,
very
quickly,
which
isn't
necessarily
a
problem,
but
for
a
water
planter
accommodating
that
growth
is,
is
a
challenge,
and
then
we
have,
what's
to
date,
has
been,
in
my
opinion,
the
most
successful
urban
water
conservation
program
in
the
world.
But
you
see
our
gpcd
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
has
really
stagnated.
So
we
we
haven't
continued
on
the
trajectory
we
need
to
stay
on
in
order
to
accommodate
everything
that's
going
on
and
then
on
the
right
side.
L
So
the
the
good
news
is,
despite
our
population
increasing
by
over
850
000
new
residents
since
2002,
we
have
reduced
our
overall
consumption
of
colorado,
river
water
by
26
percent.
That's
fantastic!
I
I'm
unaware
of
any
community
anywhere.
That
can,
you
know,
show
those
types
of
numbers,
but
the
bad
news
is
we've
done
the
easy
stuff,
and
we
essentially
need
to
do
this
again
over
the
next
15
to
20
years
in
order
to
accommodate
the
economic
diversification
that
the
community
wants
to
have.
L
L
Which
I
I
think
is
the
first
of
its
kind
that
I'm
aware
of
anywhere
in
the
world
of
a
community,
taking
the
step
of
saying
we
don't
have
the
luxury
to
invest
our
precious
water
resources
and
non-functional
turf
turf
that
only
gets
walked
on
when
somebody
mows
it.
So
the
that
bill
was
passed
signed
by
the
governor.
L
However,
getting
the
bad
stuff
out
is
one
step.
Stopping
the
bleeding
is
another
step,
so
we're
now
taking
the
step
at
the
local
level
to
prohibit
installation
of
new
turf
anywhere,
except
in
schools
and
parks
and
cemeteries,
evaporative
cooling.
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
some
of
you
have
heard
some
about
this.
The
the
business
community
is,
I
think,
legitimately,
concerned
with
some
of
the
costs
that
would
be
associated
with
construction
and
operation.
L
A
L
So
we
are
working
with
the
business
community.
None
of
this
is
final,
yet
we're
trying
very
hard
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
will
work
for
the
development
community
as
well
as
for
our
water
resources.
We
have
local
funding
that
helps
offset
the
conversion
of
existing
systems,
so
I
I
believe
we're
going
to
get
there.
L
So
I
think
I'm
down
to
my
last
two
slides
and
and
basically
what
this
shows
is
this
again
directly
from
our
resource
plan
and
this
quantifies
every
conservation
action
that
we
can
think
of.
It
translates
that
into
savings
in
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
It
shows
us
going
from
112
up
to
that
123
because
of
climate
change
and
system
aging
and
then
from
123
stepping
us
down
to
86
gallons
per
capita
per
day
if
we
can
implement
every
one
of
these
hard
things,
but
for
every
hard
thing
we
don't
want
to
do.
L
So
again,
last
slide
here.
This
is
directly
from
our
resource
plan
and
what
this
shows
the
dark
blue
is
our
permanent
colorado
river
supplies.
The
light
blue
is
25
000
acre
feet
from
our
partnership
with
the
metropolitan
water
district
of
southern
california.
L
The
green
is
our
temporary
bank
supplies
and
when
the
brown
creeps
in
that's
where
we
would
need
new
supplies
that
aren't
currently
within
our
our
resource
plan,
so
you
see
in
the
first
two
if
we
hit
that
86
gallons
per
capita
per
day
by
2035
in
our
lower
growth
scenario,
we
don't
need
any
new
supplies.
We
don't
even
tap
into
our
temporary
supplies
in
our
upper
demand
scenario,
where
we
inflate
even
over
the
population
currently
projected
by
cbr.
L
You
see
us
beginning
to
tap
into
our
temporary
supplies
in
the
mid-2040s
or
so,
but
we
don't
need
new
supplies
well
into
the
late
2060s,
but
if
we
can
only
get
to
98
or
92
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
you
see
us
accessing
our
bank
supplies
this
decade
and
needing
new
water
supplies.
Much
sooner
so
again,
everything
we're
trying
to
accomplish
for
water
management
in
southern
nevada
is
really
driven
by
demand
management
and
conservation.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
with
that,
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions
we'll
begin
with
assemblywoman
carlton.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
have
a
couple
if
I
may
and
then
we'll
kind
of
go
from
there.
So
you
were
talking
about
18
000
new
connections
in
21..
So
what
was
that
overall
impact?
And
where
are
we
going
to
have
to
draw
the
line
on
new
connections.
L
We
so
we
added
you,
know:
18
000,
new
connections
and
we
used
14
000
acre
feet
less
or
our
usage
in
2020
was
256
000
acre
feet.
We
drove
that
down
to
242
in
2021
and
so
we're
still
showing,
at
least
on
a
in
a
one-year
snapshot.
You're
seeing
us
continue
to
be
able
to
accommodate
this
economic
diversification
while
at
the
same
time
use
less
water,
but
we're
kind
of
on
that
razor's
edge
where
we
have
to
keep
making
those
gains
every
year
in
order
to
be
able
to
accommodate
it.
J
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
guess
that's
the
point
I
mean
you
can
only
conserve
to
a
certain
level
and
then
it
would
be
irresponsible
to
build
something
and
not
be
able
to
hook
it
up
so
and
we've
had
this
conversations
since
the
ring
around
the
valley
conversation
back
in
the
mid
90s.
So
going
back
to
the
septics.
That's
something
honestly!
I
had
never
really
thought
about.
So
what
is
that
impact
and
how
many
of
them
are
there
and
what
does
it
take
to
convert
it?
J
L
Yeah
so,
and
just
to
put
that
into
context,
we,
we
estimate
that
a
a
new
home
in
2022
that
is
hooked
into
the
potable
water
system,
but
is
on
a
septic
system
versus
a
new
home.
That's
hooked
into
the
sanitary
sewer,
the
one
on
the
septic
uses
about
six
and
a
half
times
more
water
than
the
one
that's
hooked
into
the
sanitary
sewer.
L
So
our
our
estimate,
colby,
may
have
a
more
precise
number,
but
we
think
there's
at
least
15
000
existing
homes
and
businesses,
but
mostly
homes
that
are
hooked
into
the
potable
water
system
and
are
on
a
septic.
And
so
do
you
have
an
idea
how
much
water
we
would
save
if
those
could
all
be
converted?
L
Okay?
Well,
it's
it's
over
10
000
acre
feet.
You
know
it's
you
know.
Probably
I
think
our
estimate
was
about
12
000
acre
feet
so
and
to
put
that
into
context,
you
know
our
partnership
with
metropolitan
we're
going
to
get
between
25
and
30.
000
acre
feet
out
of
that
at
a
cost
of
at
least
750
million
dollars.
So
you
do
that
math,
yeah,
12,
000,
acre
feet
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot,
but
it's
worth
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
to
our
community.
So
in
terms
of
what
it
takes,
it's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
thing.
L
There
are
neighborhoods
in
the
valley
where
there's
literally
sewer
in
the
street
and
dozens
of
homes
are
30
40
feet
away
from
the
sewer
and
they're
still
on
septic.
So
there's
some
low-hanging
fruit
where
you
can
go
in
and
probably
get
some
of
those
conversions
with
a
relatively
decent.
You
know
bang
for
your
buck,
but
then
there's
others
where
you
know
homes
are
1700
feet
away
from
the
sewer
and
there's
all
you
know.
L
You
know
custom
two,
three
home
lots
and
it
would
be
probably
cost
prohibitive
to
to
go
after
those,
but
as
with
the
turf,
the
first
front
in
the
battle
for
us
is
stop
the
bleeding.
So
the
las
vegas
valley
water
district
has
taken
the
step
of
saying
we
will
not
hook
anyone
into
our
retail
water
delivery
system
unless
they
also
hook
into
the
sanitary
sewer
and
there's
been
a
very
vocal
minority.
J
And
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
remember
these
exact
same
conversations
that
we
had
about
domestic
wells
years
ago,
trying
to
deal
with
with
the
well
issue
and
and
moving
forward
from
there.
I
guess
my
final
question
is
well,
it's
not,
but
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
other
members
of
the
committee.
So
we've
talked
a
lot
about.
You
know
the
use
and
the
levels.
The
thing
that
concerns
me
and
the
thing
that
I
started
with
the
water
authority
on
back
in
1997
98
was
the
quality
of
the
water.
J
L
L
We
both
chlorinate
and
ozonate,
the
the
water
we're
going
to
continue
to
be
able
to
meet
all
the
requirements
of
the
safe
drinking
water
act
that
that's
not
going
to
be
going
to
come
into
question,
but
operational
challenges
are
going
to
be
temperature
because,
as
the
lake
falls
that
that
top
30
feet
of
the
lake
is
far
warmer
than
the
rest
of
it,
we
saw
this
before
we
brought
our
third
intake
online.
We
started
seeing
the
more
because
we
chlorinate
we
have
disinfection
byproducts
that
as
the
water
gets
warmer
the
formation
of
trihalomethanes
accelerates.
L
So
we
had
to
install
aeration
systems
on
all
of
our
retail
reservoirs.
If
you
roll
the
water
over,
it
prolongs
the
formation
of
those
trihalomethanes.
So
the
temperature
will
be
something
that
we
have
to
deal
with
and
turbidity
the
amounts
of
solids
per
per
liter
of
water
you're,
essentially
going
from
a
nice
cold
deep
lake
operating
a
water
system
like
the
city
of
chicago
to
going
to
a
warm
tepid
river
with
a
water
treatment
like
st
louis
right,
so
that
water
can
be
treated
but
we're
plumbed
to
do
it.
M
F
I
do
appreciate
maggie
bringing
them
questions
up,
because
I
I
had
one
of
them
same
thing,
but
I
do
like
to
know
I
I
don't
know
much
about
swimming
pools.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
them
in
elko,
eureka
or
ely,
or
winter
monkey
or
rural
nevada.
Don't
have
a
lot
of
swimming
pools
floating
around?
How
often
do
they
change
them?
You
know,
did
they
have
to
change
them
once
a
year,
the
water,
or
did
they?
They
do
it
just
by
chemicals.
L
So
in
in
terms
of
changing
the
the
water,
I
believe
it's
recommended-
you
know
every
year
at
least
every
two
years
you
want
to
empty
your
pool
and
acid
wash
it
and
you
know,
start
with
fresh
water
because
it
does
harden
over
time.
There
is
a
existing
law
that
requires
the
emptying
of
the
pool
to
go
into
the
sanitary
sewer.
L
You
can't
just
run
a
you
know
a
hose
out
into
the
street
and
let
it
go
down
the
gutter
so
that
that
water,
when
the
pool
is
emptied,
is
recaptured,
treated,
put
back
into
lake
mead,
we
can
take
it
back
out.
The
loss
from
pools
is
the
same.
You
know,
essentially,
as
the
loss
from
turf.
It's
the
the
evaporation
we
do.
Incentivize
pool
covers
and
one
step
that
we
are
proposing.
L
It
hasn't
been
put
into
code
yet,
but
we
would
like
to
see
it
put
into
all
the
local
codes
this
year
is
to
limit
new
pool
size
construction
to
more
no
more
than
600
square
feet.
It
that's
one
of
the
things.
That's
on
that
step
down
chart
that
that
we
showed
you
guys,
it's
not
a
huge
water
savings,
but
we
have
seen
some
pretty,
in
my
frank
opinion,
offensive
construction
in
some
of
the
luxury
home
markets,
where
we've
seen
the
installation
of
four
and
five
thousand
square
foot
water
features
at
private
homes.
L
F
Thank
you,
and-
and
if,
if
I
can
do
a
follow-up,
miss
chair
go
ahead
session
before
last,
we
actually
had
a
bill
into.
F
I
can't
remember
the
bill
or
if
it
was
what
they
were
doing
at
lake
mead,
to
drop
that
level
of
the
conduits
and
drawing
more
out
of
the
bottom
versus
where
it
was
at
mid
level.
So
did
they
ever
finish
that
they
they
run
that
pipeline
down
through
there?
F
They
were
working
on
it
for
a
long
time,
they
showed
quite
a
bit
of
digging
down
to
there
how
they
were
lowering
that
the
conduits
that
were
going
back
into
the
city
where
they
were
pumping
out
of
it
was
lower
because
of
the
water
temperatures
did
that
ever
get
finished.
A
Thank
you
for
that
question,
someone
nelson.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
to
remind
everyone
to
please
state
their
name
for
the
record
before
proceeding,
and
I
believe
you're
talking
about
the
the
third
intake.
So
if
you
could
just
give
a
brief
update
on
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
our
our
intakes
and
pumps.
L
Sure
so
yeah
we,
we
finished
the
third
intake
and
it's
been
operational
and
we've
been
pulling
100
of
our
water
from
it
since
2015
again,
because
we
wanted
to
access
that
that
colder
water
from
deeper
in
the
lake,
but
then
in
early
2020.
We
also
brought
online
the
local
lake
level
pumping
station.
So
in
combination.
The
third
intake
and
the
low
lake
level
pumping
station
are
right
at
1.5
billion
dollars
in
local
capital
investments.
L
L
The
deadpool
that
I
showed
you
guys
is
right
about
elevation,
900,
so
under
any
hydrologic
condition,
we're
pretty
much
guaranteed
to
have
40
feet
of
water
over
our
intakes
and
that's
at
an
elevation
where
you
saw
you
know,
places
like
phoenix
and
los
angeles
and
sonora
and
baja
can
no
longer
access
water
from
the
colorado
river.
So,
as
concerning
as
everything
I
showed,
you
is
our
physical
ability
to
pump
water
is
not
in
question,
which
is
a
real
benefit,
obviously,
for
our
community.
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
it
just
shows
the
importance
of
some
of
these
investments
in
resilient
infrastructure.
You
know
things
have
taken
a
turn
for
the
worse
on
the
colorado
river
system
relatively
quickly,
and
it's
good
that
we
are
not
scrambling
to
to
make
sure
that
our
infrastructure
can
adapt
to
those
those
changes.
So
with
that
we'll
take
questions
from
assemblywoman
bilbray
axelrod.
K
Thank
you
chairwatts,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
just
a
historical
fact.
I
I
served
on
natural
research.
Actually
it
was
called
nat
ram
at
the
time
last
session
and
was
served
as
vice
chair.
So
this
is,
I
love
this
subject.
I
love
talking
about
the
subject
and
I'm
glad
you're
here.
So
thank
you.
I
also
want
to
say
I
remember
I
was
a
child
in
1983
when
lake
mead
was
actually
overflowing
and
the
spillways
were
going
over
and
we
watched
the
carp
going
over
the
side.
K
So
it's
just
so
crazy
to
think
in
that
amount
of
time.
I
don't
feel
that
old,
but
it
to
go
from
there
to
here.
I
had
a
question.
I
know
that
we
have
the
300
000
acre
feet
and,
and
we
get
kind
of
the
first
rate,
what
how
are
you
working
with
california
and
arizona?
K
L
I'm
sorry,
john
spinger,
for
the
record.
There
are
certainly
communities
that
are
beginning
to
to
follow
our
lead.
The
the
colorado
legislature
just
passed
a
bill
not
as
aggressive
as
rab
356,
but
in
in
you
know,
you
know
their
legislative
record.
You
know
definitely
citing
to
our
example
and
copying.
You
know
our
stuff
going
forward.
So
there
are
communities
beginning
to
view
turf
very
much
like
we
view
it.
It's
not
a
one-size-fits-all
thing.
L
I'd
say
in
california,
the
metropolitan
water
district
of
southern
california,
which
has
19
million
customers
from
santa
barbara
to
san
diego
they're,
doing
some
pretty
amazing
things:
they're
investing
heavily
in
conservation,
they're
our
partner
on
the
regional
recycling
program.
That's
going
to
take
all
of
the
wastewater,
that's
currently
being
discharged
into
the
pacific
ocean,
treat
it
inject
it
into
their
aquifers
in
southern
california
and
generate
up
to
130
000,
acre
feet
of
new
water
supply
that
we're
investing
in
so
they'll
leave
a
portion
of
their
water
in
lake
mead.
L
For
for
our
use,
but
there
are,
you
know,
irrigation
districts
in
california
that
are
doing
a
whole
lot.
They
have
the
senior
rights
on
the
river
and
thus
far
seem
to
feel
relatively
bulletproof
and
haven't
taken
a
lot
of
steps
arizona's
taking
huge
hits
because
they
in
1968,
in
order
to
get
congressional
funding
for
the
central
arizona
project,
they
agreed
to
take
california's
share
of
shortages,
so
they're
they're,
taking
hundreds
of
thousands
of
acre
feet
in
in
shortages,
and,
unlike
us,
that
doesn't
mean
they
have
less
extra
water.
L
That
means
they
actually
have
to
cut
existing
uses
and
you're.
Seeing
a
lot
of
agriculture
in
pinal
county.
You
know
not
getting
colorado
river
water
now
and
switching
back
over
to
to
groundwater.
So
it's
not
a
one
size
fits
all.
Albuquerque
is
doing
tremendous
things
in
conservation
denver.
I
I
mentioned
southern
california
las
vegas,
but
there's
big
parts
of
the
basin
that
are
still
acting
like
they
don't
have
a
problem.
K
Thank
you
for
that
and
that
actually
california
obviously
is
a
great
big
state
with
a
a
lot
of
different
of
politics.
I
guess
I
would
say
kind
of
like
ours.
K
I
I
did
want
to
just
say
one
thing
and
I
I
think
my
colleague
assemblyman
carlton,
for
bringing
up
the
septic
tanks.
I
know
not
far
out
of
my
district
is
section
10
and
section
11,
which
is
roughly
you
know
jones
to
buffalo
d'ida
sahara,
they're
all
on
septic
all
over
those
homes
and
I'm
sure
that
the
water
comes
right
up
basically
to
their
house,
but
then
they're
on
septic.
So
yeah,
I'm
very
intrigued
on
on
that
issue
and
look
forward
to
having
further
conversations.
L
Absolutely-
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
you
know
quite
gotten
all
of
our
thinking
through,
but
that
may
well
be
something
we
want
to
discuss.
You
know
during
the
next
session
I
would
say
specific
to
section
10,
commissioner
jones
just
talked
to
me
last
week
and
we're
getting
a
pdf
from
him
because
I
don't
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
but
I
think
they're
doing
some
rehabilitation
of
some
of
the
water
lines.
L
A
Thank
you,
members.
Any
other
questions,
mr.
C
Chair
senator,
thank
you,
mr
chair
senator
gregory,
for
the
record,
mr
ensigner
john.
Can
you
tell
me
what
the
average
water
bill
is
in
that
you
service
there
in
clark,
county.
L
The
the
median
because
we
we
generally
take
out
the
highest
10
percent
on
the
lowest
10
percent
and
use
the
median
of
the
middle
80
percent
and
that
bill
today
is
right
about
55,
which
puts
us
at
the
right
at
the
50th
percentile
for
water
bills.
In
the
63
city,
western
index.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
I'm
just
curious.
We
always
hear
about
that
a
little
bit
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
weigh
that
out
again.
I
know
some
rural
areas,
but
again
we
don't
have
the
conservation
and
as
well
as
the
retreat
return
flow
credits
that
you
guys
do
you're
doing
a
great
job
with
it.
Thank
you.
G
Chair,
it's
a
something.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
had
a
question
as
well
on
septic
tanks.
I
was
surprised
to
hear
that
septics
used
six
times
more
water
and
was
just
curious.
G
Does
the
process
for
septic
tanks
for
approval
in
new
construction
if
they're
doing
that
much
does
that
approval
come
through
the
county
or
I'm
assuming
some
have
been
grandfathered
in
in
certain
locations?
I'm
just
curious
how
we're
monitoring,
whether
those
are
being
installed
in
newer
construction
or
is
that
kind
of
behind
us.
L
So,
unfortunately,
it's
not
about
behind
us
it's
driven,
at
least
in
clark
county.
It's
driven
through
the
southern
nevada
health
district
they're,
the
ones
that
can
can
permit
septics.
You
know
and
grant
a
waiver
from
even
the
existing
conditions,
because
you're
supposed
to
be
a
certain
distance
from
sewer
in
order
to
get
one
but
because
of
the
cost.
L
Historically,
the
waivers
have
been
granted
pretty
pretty
regularly.
So
we've
kind
of
we've
addressed
the
issue
for
70
percent
of
the
retail,
because
the
las
vegas
valley
water
district
has
now
put
into
our
service
rules
that
we
won't
connect
to
the
the
potable
water
system
unless
you
hook
into
to
the
sewer,
but
for
the
other
30
percent
of
retail
in
henderson
and
north
las
vegas,
there
are
septics
hooking
into
colorado
river
water.
Today.
G
So
is
the
health
department
in
on
these
discus?
Are
they
being
made
aware
of
the
demand
that
that
the
water
usage
is
higher
in
that
regard?
Are
they
in
the
conversation
at
all,
as
we
address
some
of
these
concerns
and
then,
if
I
could
I'll
just
piggyback
with
one
other
question
and
aren't
there
more,
I
I
know
there's
some
new
technology
with
leech
fields
for
septic
tanks.
G
Are
we
seeing
any
better
conservation
with
those
septic
tank
users
do
know
that
using
too
much
water
in
their
homes
impacts
negatively
their
their
systems,
and
so
I
would
think,
there's
almost
an
kind
of
a
built-in
motivation
to
conserve
water
in
your
home,
because
it's
a
it's
a
drain.
It's
a
large
demand
on
the
leech
field,
so
the
two
questions
then
are:
are
there
better
technologies
for
septic
tanks,
I
would
say,
maybe
for
leech
fields
the
sand,
the
sand
mounds
is
the
first
question
the
second
one
being?
Are
we
no?
L
Well,
I
I
think
your
first
one
was:
how
involved
is
the
health
district
at
this
juncture
and
they're
they're
very
involved,
for
fortunately
maryland
serves
as
the
chair
of
the
water
authority
and
she's
also
on
the
health
district
board,
so
she's
been
very
instrumental
in
helping
us
get
their
attention.
We
made
a
presentation
to
their
entire
board
three
or
four
weeks
ago
and
then
really
drove
home
the
the
water
quantity
aspect
of
this.
So
we
we
just
we're
working
hard
with
them.
L
L
I
I'll
look
at
colby.
If
she,
if
she
knows
anything
about
it,
I
I
don't
we
we
approach
this
from
you
know
everything
that
you
know
hits
a
drain
in
every
other
home
in
business,
gets
treated
and
put
back
into
lake
mead
for
septics.
It's
it's
lost,
so
we're
kind
of
a
single-issue
voter,
except
that
I
would
also
raise
a
water
quality
concern.
L
You
know
in
areas
of
the
valley,
with
a
lot
of
septic
systems,
we've
also
seen
a
pretty
sharp
increase
in
nitrates
in
the
groundwater
table,
to
the
point
where
we've
actually
stopped
producing
water
for
our
customers
from
a
couple
of
our
big
production
wells
in
in
the
center
of
the
valley.
So
it's
both
water,
quantity
and
water
quality,
that's
being
affected
by
allowing
these
systems
to
be
installed.
B
B
G
Thank
you
so
much
appreciate
the
input
and
if
I
could,
a
crazy
little
random
plug,
visited
the
sewer
treatment
plant
up
here
in
the
reno
sparks
area
and
was
absolutely
amazed
at
the
processes
and
the
the
lengths
that
technology
and
the
systems
go
to
to
help
us
maximize
and
and
and
get
our
water
clean,
and
so
I
just
want
to
give
them
and
and
same
in
your
districts
a
little
bit
of
a
shout
out
that
it's
one
of
those
unsung
heroes.
G
A
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
and
yes,
our
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
keeps
the
wetlands
wet
down
here
in
southern
nevada.
So
one
thing
I
I
just
wanted
to
also
kind
of
clarify
on
on
this
issue
is,
and
I
think
assemblywoman
hanson
was
getting
to
this-
is
that
there
there
can
be
some
significant
regional
differences
and
particularly
because
of
southern
nevada's
location
next
to
lake
mead
and
its
return
flow
credit
system.
A
This
makes
septic
tank
usage
a
particular
issue
for
our
water
resources
that
may
not
apply
in
other
areas
of
the
state.
Is
that
correct.
L
A
C
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
nsinger.
Have
you
get?
Has
there
been
any
thought
given
to
the
fact
that
it
just
piques
my
interest?
Listen
to
the
conversation
here
so
clearly,
if
you've
got
a
connection
that
is
going
to
a
septic
system,
have
you
given
any
thought
to
maybe
a
tiered
rate
structure,
because
they
consumptively
use
more
water,
and
it
looks
to
me
like
that,
would
in
fact
incentivize
them
to
okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
hook
up
the
sewer.
C
If
it's
going
to
cost
you
twice
as
much
to
get
your
water
if
in
fact,
you're
using
a
septic
versus
a
hookup,
even
if
you're
a
developer,
you
know
the
long-term
plans.
Has
there
been
any
thought
on
that?
You
know
a
rate
structure
where
the
consumptive
use
actually
increased
the
amount
of
the
cost
of
water
at
55
dollars
yeah?
Why
worry
about
it?
But
you
know
if
it
was
costing
you
300,
because
you
were
going
to
a
septic
any
thoughts.
L
Yeah,
I
think
you've
been
reading
our
mail
because
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
exactly
about
that
over
the
last.
You
know
just
three
four
weeks
and
you
know
obviously
my
board
hasn't.
You
know,
taken
any
action
yet,
but
just
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
kicked
around
are
you
know
we
have
a
tiered
system
or
a
tiered
rate
structure,
so
you
could
just
charge
anyone
who's
on
a
septic
at
the
fourth
tier
and
don't
give
them
the
first
three
tiers.
L
You
could
have
some
sort
of
assessment
on
top
of
the
existing
tier
structure.
Just
to
do
that
because
we're
really
you
know
the
philosophically
we
take
the
position.
We
we
rent
people,
water
right,
you
get
to
use
it,
but
you
have
to
give
it
back
to
us
so
that
we
can
treat
it
and
and
and
rent
it
to
somebody
else.
We
don't
sell
people,
water
and
people
that
are
on
septics.
L
Are
you
know,
100
consumptive
uses
so
having
some
sort
of
structure
not
just
to
generate
the
revenue,
but
then
to
have
that
revenue,
hopefully
to
be
converting
people
off
of
and
providing
some
sort
of
incentive.
Very
much
like
the
groundwater
management
program,
where,
if
your
well
fails,
you
know
we
have
monies
to
help.
You
get
hooked
into
the
the
potable
water
system.
So
yes
generate
more
revenue
from
the
septic
owners,
but
use
that
to
get
them
hooked
into
into
the
sanitary
sewer.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
it
comes
back
around
to
if
we
do
want
to
get
these
folks
off
of
septic,
and
there
is
a
large
cost
to
it.
We've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
be
able
to
address
that
cost.
Are
there
dollars
available
now
or
is
there?
Have
you
been
watching
some
of
the
other
monies
that
are
coming
into
the
state?
J
You
mentioned
the
domestic
well
issue
that
we've
had
in
the
past
and
how
we
converted.
Folks,
that's
the
first
part
of
the
question.
The
second
part
of
the
question
is
you
mentioned
that
henderson
and
north
las
vegas
don't
seem
to
be
taking
this
quite
as
seriously
as
other
folks
but
they're
all
within
they're,
all
drawing
from
the
same
lake.
So
how
do
we
dress
entities
that
don't
want
to
actually
you're
saying
you
won't
hook
them
up,
but
you're
also
telling
me
that
those
two
entities
aren't
really
doing
much
about
it.
L
We
have
a
package
of
things
that
need
to
be
put
into
code,
and
that
includes
you
know
the
the
ban
on
installation
of
turf
anywhere
except
schools
and
parks
that
includes
the
the
600
square
foot
limitation
on
new
swimming
pools.
That
includes
something
on
evaporative
cooling,
at
least
for
the
water
district.
It's
going
to
have
stuff
to
do
with
rates
for
high
volume
customers.
A
Well,
I
think
members
hit
most
of
my
questions
as
well,
one
of
which
was
kind
of
talking
about
this,
the
financial
issue
and
how
we,
you
know,
work
out
both
rates
and
you
know
to
bring
in
revenue
and
invest
in
some
of
these
additional
conservation
initiatives.
So
it
sounds
like
there's
already
thinking
around
that.
I
think
one
of
the
other
questions
I
had
was
the
role
for
state
policy
makers
and
I
think
towards
some
of
them
in
carleton's
question.
A
You
know
there
are
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
and
collaboration
happening
with
local
governments,
and
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
that
to
happen.
Of
course,
there
are
roles
for
the
state
to
play,
and
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
also
conversations
happening
with
with
the
different
stakeholders
in
the
community,
but
state
policy
can
come
in
where
needed,
to
set
kind
of
some
uniform
policies
even
on
a
county
by
county
basis,
and
so
I
think
that's
you
know
something
that
we'll.
A
We
look
forward
to
continuing
to
have
a
conversation
about
and
explore
areas
where,
where
state
policy
may
need
to
to
come
into
place,
are
there
any
other
policy
issues
that
you
want
to
make
us
aware
of
at
the
state
level.
L
Before
I
answer
that
I
do,
I
think
I
was
remiss
in
not
answering
the
first
part
of
assemblywoman
carlson's
questions
and
you
brought
up
the
cost
so
we're
having
discussions
at
the
water
district
level
about
what
sort
of
district
you
know.
Revenues
can
be
brought
to
bear.
L
I
know
jim
gibson
and
marilyn
kirkpatrick
we're
having
that
same
conversation
with
clark
county
reclamation
district
last
week,
so
we're
going
to
need
to
address
this
both
from
the
water
side
and
the
wastewater
side,
and
the
third
piece
of
this
may
well
be-
and
I
haven't
seen
the
summary
yet,
but
I
know
my
staff
was
working
on
summarizing
the
epa
guidance
for
distributing
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
funding
into
the
state
revolving
fund.
L
Historically,
snwa
las
vegas
valley,
water
district
haven't
accessed
very
much
out
of
the
state
revolving
fund,
except
as
it
relates
to
you,
know,
laughlin,
and
you
know
kyle
canyon,
some
of
our
outlying
rural
systems
that
we
actually
operate.
We've
used
srf
funding
to
for
for
some
of
those,
this
may
be
a
spot
where,
as
a
state
policy
issue,
we
really
want
to
take
a
look
at
letting
snwa
and
or
lvvwd
access.
L
I
think
we'll
know
a
lot
more
before
we
get
into
session.
You
know
see
how
this
winter
plays
out,
see
where
the
colorado
is
in
terms
of
operations.
You've,
given
us
tremendous
support
with
ab356
we'll
have
a
year
under
our
belt
of
implementing
that
and
we'll
be
able
to,
you
know
see
if
we
need
any.
You
know
tweaks
to
to
that,
but
by
and
large
I
think,
you've
really
given
us
the
tools
we
need
for
the
time
being,.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
antoninger.
I
appreciate
that
I'd
just
like
to
note
for
the
committees
and
public
awareness
that
we
will
be
having
a
subcommittee
on
public
lands
meeting
in
boulder
city.
I
believe
in
may,
where
we'll
also
be
discussing
water
related
issues,
and
I've
asked
the
water
authority
to
to
discuss
some
of
the
a
lot
larger
colorado
river
basin
issues.
A
I
think
that
I
think
also
got
brought
up
on
this
as
well,
so
look
forward
to
getting
a
little
bit
larger
perspective
on
that
at
that
time,
kind
of
the
the
status
of
negotiations
and
and
a
larger
base
and
wide
perspective
and
figure
out
how
we
as
a
legislature
can
you
know,
provide
perspective
from
from
the
state
of
nevada
on
on
where
the
the
basin
should
be
going.
A
So
with
that,
I
think
that
that
covers
everything
that
we
have
for
today
again,
I
thank
you
for
the
presentation
look
forward
to
continued
discussion
on.
You
know
how
we
continue
to
advance
conservation
and
and
protect
the
water
supply
for
southern
nevada.
So
thank
you
both.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
all
right
with
that.
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
presentation,
which
will
be
on
water
issues
in
the
truckee
meadows
and
northern
nevada,
so
we'll
have
the
truckee
meadows
water
authority
presenting
well,
I
think,
we've
got.
N
N
It
was
created
in
2001
by
the
cities
of
reno
and
sparks
in
washoe
county,
the
water
utility
prior
to
that
was
owned
by
a
sierra
pacific
power
company,
and
so
when
sierra
pacific
now
nv
energy
offered
to
sell
or
notify
the
community
that
it
was
going
to
sell
its
water
utility,
the
community
stepped
up
and
created
tumwa
to
manage
those
assets.
So
we're
governed
by
a
seven
member
board
of
elected
officials
from
reno
sparks
in
washoe,
county
and
you'll,
see
in
that
first
or
second
slide.
N
One
of
the
significant
mergers
we've
had
in
the
last
few
years
was
merging
with
washoe.
A
County,
I
I
apologize
for
interrupting
you,
sir,
but
we
don't
have
the
up
now.
We've
got
it,
I
think
up
on
our
on
our
screen,
so
we
can
see
the
slides
now.
Sorry,
please
proceed.
Okay,.
N
This
next
slide
is
just
an
overview
of
tumwas
service
area,
so
we
have
two
main
truckee
river
surface
water
treatment
plants.
The
choc
bluff
treatment
plant
is
our
newest
and
provides
water
throughout
the
year.
The
glendale
treatment
plant
is
in
the
center
of
the
valley,
it's
an
older
plant
and
we
use
that
plant
to
provide
water
during
summer
peaking,
and
so
it's
shut
down
in
the
winter
months,
and
then
you
can
also
see
what's
unique
to
tumwas
system.
We
have
three
operating
run
of
river
hydroelectric
facilities.
N
N
N
N
This
next
slide
shows
the
sources
of
our
water
supply,
so
obviously
the
truckee
river.
We
have
two
municipal,
two
water
rights
that
were
decreed
to
the
municipality
when
the
truckee
river
decree
was
entered
in
was
entered,
that's
our
so-called
40
cfs
right
and
our
hunter
creek
right.
So
those
two
water
rights
on
the
truckee
river
were
very
senior
priority
water
rights
and
we
used
those
up
until
the
1960s
to
create
a
water
supply
and
then
in
the
1960s,
when
new
growth
was
happening,
developers
started
to
convert
decreed
agricultural
rights
to
municipal
supply.
N
We
also
have
two
what
we
call
privately
owned:
storage
reservoirs
and
independence
in
donner
lake,
that's
27,
000
acre
feet
and
then
with
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
little
bit
later.
We
can
store
much
more
in
the
federally
operated
reservoirs,
lake,
tahoe,
boca,
prosser
and
stampede,
and
then
we
also
have
our
groundwater
supply
and
within
the
truckee
meadows
we
have
a
bit
of
a
unique
operating
order
with
the
state
engineer
and
not
in
in
non-drought
years.
Like
I
said,
we
don't
rely
on
groundwater
that
heavily
we
store
it.
N
N
This
next
slide
just
shows
a
pie
chart
it
kind
of
hits
on
how
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
was
allowed
to
come
to
fruition,
because
you'll
see
that
in
normal
years,
tunnel
uses
about
three
percent
net
from
the
truckee
river.
So
a
very
small
portion
and
a
large
majority
of
the
truckee
river
water
in
a
non-drought
year
goes
to
the
pyramid:
lake
paiute
tribe,
that's
the
plpt
on
the
graph
and
then
tcid
is
the
irrigator
turkey,
carson,
irrigation
district,
the
fernley
and
fallon
farmers.
N
They
also
take
that
water
in
a
normal
year
and
then
in
a
dry
year,
tom
was
allowed
to
take
a
little
more.
The
pyramid,
lake
pyou
tribe,
takes
less,
and
so
that
was
really
what
allowed
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
to
to
be
compromised,
because
between
tumwa
and
again
troa
is
involves
the
united
states,
the
state
of
california
state
of
nevada
pyramid,
lake
paige,
tribe
and
tumwa,
but
between
tamwa
and
the
tribe.
N
At
one
point,
during
negotiations,
both
parties
discovered
that
voltron
needs
water
in
a
drought,
and
so
we
need
to
rely
on
upstream
storage
to
be
able
to
meet
the
demands
of
our
customers
and
then
in
a
non-drought.
We
don't
need
all
of
the
water
that
we
were
entitled
to
under
the
decree.
So
we
can
let
that
go,
and
so
that's
where
troa
really
was
a
pretty
good
compromise
between
the
lower
lower
users
and
the
upstream
users.
N
N
So
under
troa
you
know
the
water
year
starts
in
october.
That's
when
all
the
troll
parties
start
to
establish
credit,
water
and
upstream
reservoirs
and
then,
as
the
water
year
proceeds.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
good
water
year.
All
of
that
water
that
tunnel
has
stored
turns
over
to
what's
called
fish
credit
water.
N
Obviously
we
update
that
every
five
years
and
there
are
certain
challenges
we're
going
to
have
to
face,
but
right
now
our
water
resource
plan
shows
that
we
can
meet
those
demands
for
the
next
20
years,
just
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
I
mean
we
are.
The
truckee
river
system
is
different
than
than
most
systems.
Obviously
every
system
is
unique
and
it's
different
than
the
colorado
river
system.
N
You
know
we
are
not
in
the
middle
of
a
20-year
drought.
We
had
our
highest
water
year
on
record
in
2017
and
then
also
another
above
average
year
in
2019,
and
so
it's
really
this
ebb
and
flow
for
us
of
drought
years
non-drought
years,
but
with
our
upstream
storage
reservoirs-
and
I
can't
emphasize
enough,
but
with
the
benefit
of
troa,
it
really
gives
us
the
ability
to
meet
our
customers.
Water
demands.
N
N
That
goes
back
all
the
treated
wastewater
going
back
to
lake
mead,
but
in
the
truckee
river
system,
that
water
goes
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plants
and
is
discharged
back
into
the
truckee
river
to
meet
the
downstream
water
right
holders
who
are
in
priority,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
big
differences
with
the
truckee
river
and
other
rivers,
and
just
just
to
go
in
this
next
slide
talks
about
florist
and
rates
those
are
under
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement.
That
was
the
required
rates
of
flow
at
the
california
nevada
state
line.
N
So
in
the
summer
months
it's
500
cubic
feet
per
second,
and
then
in
the
winter
it
goes
down
to
400..
That's
made
up
of
natural
flow
water
coming
out
of
lake
tahoe
and
boca,
and
then
we
also
have
I've
already
touched
upon
our
into
our
privately
owned
stored
water
in
donner
and
independence
lake,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
miss
morris.
Well,
actually,
sorry,
two
more
slides
jump
the
gun.
So
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
these
two
graphs.
N
This
is
in
2015,
which
was
our
lowest
water
year
on
record
and
we
have
over
a
hundred
years
of
water
records.
It
just
shows
you
that
florist
and
rates
ran
out
in
about
june
of
that
year
and
we
had
to
start
relying
more
heavily
on
ground
water
pumping,
also
our
stored
water
out
of
donner
and
independence,
and
then
our
troa
storage
reservoirs,
boca,
stampede
and
prosser.
N
So
that's
what
it
looks
like
in
a
dry
in
a
abnormally
dry
year,
and
then
you
can
see
once
we
get
into
the
winter
months.
We
can
start
relying
just
on
our
surface
water
again
with
a
little
bit
of
ground
water
pumping
to
meet
our
water
supply
and
then
in
2020
this
was
more
of
a
normal
year.
You
can
see
we
rely
heavily
on
truckee
river
diversions
throughout
the
year
we
peak
in
the
summer
with
our
groundwater
wells
and
then,
as
you
go
back
into
the
winter
months,
we
reduce
our
demands.
N
O
Thank
you,
stephanie
morris
water
resources
manager
for
the
record.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
exciting
things
that
we're
doing
and
how
we're
planning
for
the
future.
So
we
do
a
water
resources
plan.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide
thanks?
We
do
a
water
resources
plan
for
20
years
and
it's
very
informative.
This
last
one
that
we
did
in
2020
goes
through
2040.,
it's
much
more
user
friendly.
If
you
have
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
I
encourage
you
to
do
so.
O
I
want
to
focus
a
little
bit
on
climate
change
in
particular,
because
that's
what
we
were
using
and
more
and
looking
at
it
even
beyond
20
years,
to
see
how
we
may
plan
for
the
future
and,
as
you
all
know,
models
are
always
wrong,
but
also
very
informative
and
so
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
modeling
and
how
we
are
using
that
monoling
to
sort
of
plan
for
the
future
and
what
it
looks
like
in
our
water
resources
plan.
O
O
The
three
that
we
used
was
one
looking
at
a
historical
drought
scenario
where
we
took
some
of
the
worst
droughts
on
record
and
made
an
ensemble.
Then
we
looked
at
in
a
moderate
emission
scenario
and
that
was
we
used
actually
eight
global
circulation
models
and
we
fed
each
of
them
in
and
I'll
talk
about
the
results.
And
then
we
also
did
the
same
thing
for
a
higher
emission
scenario.
O
O
So
the
overview
essentially
showed
us
that,
in
the
historical
drought
situation
we
didn't
have
any
storages
or
any
shortages.
Sorry,
we
had
a
lot
of
storage
and
we
had
upstream
storage,
never
dropped
below
40
000
acre
feet.
This,
I
think,
really
highlights
the
importance
of
what
mr
zimmerman
was
talking
about
about.
How
critical
troa
is
for
us
to
have
those
drought
supplies
upstream?
O
Looking
at
the
moderate
scenario,
we
showed
10
years
out
of
the
640,
so
you
have
to
take
8
times
the
80
year
to
get
that
that
there
was
a
shortage
of
about
1.5
percent
and
the
first
shortage
occurred
in
2083
at
a
demand
level
of
about
120
000
acre
feet
and
in
the
most
more
extreme
scenario
we
had
25
out
of
the
640-year
simulation,
showed
a
shortage,
and
that
was
about
3.9
percent
and
the
first
shortages
occurred
in
2069
at
a
demand
level
of
about
113
000..
O
I
do
want
to
say
that,
because
we
did
run
each
of
these
gcps
or
global
circulation
models
through
some
of
them
showed
that
we
didn't
have
any
shortages
and
others
did,
and
I
think
it
just
highlights
that
as
climate
change
data
becomes
updated,
we
will
continue
to
update
our
models
and
we'll
continue
to
have
hopefully
more
accurate
information.
O
So
essentially
our
climate
change
analysis.
That
was
a
really
a
stress.
Stress
case
showed
that
we
do
even
though
there's
extreme
variability
in
snowpack
and
upstream
reservoir
storage
and
runoff
that
we're
able
to
meet
our
demands.
We
have
good
drought,
reservoir
reserves
and
we're
optimizing.
Our
allocations,
for
you
know,
efficiently
using
our
water
rights
and
as
a
portfolio
including
groundwater
and
surface
water
and
integratively
managing
those.
But
that's
not
enough.
O
We
need
to
do
more,
so
I
want
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
things
that
we
have
done
and
what
some
studies
that
we're
looking
at
to
further
prepare
for
these
types
of
changes
in
our
system.
So
I'll
start
with
the
projects
on
the
right,
I'm
not
going
to
hit
all
of
them,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
advanced
water
metering
infrastructure.
We
are
going
through
and
systematically
replacing
our
meters.
These
smart
meters
help
us
with
conservation.
O
They
help.
Customers
know
on
a
real-time
basis.
What
they're,
using
it
helps
identify
leaks
instead
of
wow.
My
water
bill
went
up
three
months
in
a
row.
Something
weird
must
be
happening.
This
will
allow
them
sort
of
real-time
information
to
call
us
and
have
have
our
technicians
come
out
and
do
an
audit
of
the
system
and
identify
what
potential
issues
are
occurring.
O
It
really
creates
some
difficulty
as
a
region
in
managing
effluent,
and
so
the
one
water
nevada
team,
which
includes
a
number
of
folks-
and
I
won't
even
start
to
say
them,
because
I
might
miss
somebody
but
are
looking
at
what
are
the
best
ways
that
we
can
manage
our
effluent
and
how
trucking
metals
water
authority
comes
into
play,
is
helping
manage
the
water
resources
to
help
meet
return
flow
requirements
and
the
a
plus
pilot
project
has
been
completed.
O
I'm
happy
and
proud
to
say
that
the
first
project
coming
from
that
a
plus
treatment
plant,
which
is
treating
for
potable
use
to
be
recharged
into
the
groundwater
and
then
later
extracted
potentially
for
use,
is
the
american
flat
project
and
we
we
have
finished
and
been
approved
by
the
bureau
of
reclamation
for
our
feasibility
study
and
that
project
is
moving
forward.
Both
the
city
of
reno
and
tumwa
have
partnered
in
a
cost
share
agreement,
and
we
have
obtained
some
federal
funding
for
that
project
and
are
seeking
more
it's
roughly
103
million
dollar
project.
O
It
would
create
2,
000
acre
feet
of
water,
that's
drought,
proof,
and
it
would
help
in
the
sort
of
lemon
valley
area,
with
the
with
the
discharges
into
swan
lake,
to
reduce
those
and
to
put
them
to
to
put
them
to
use
initially
and
then
to
test
and
get
the
permit
for
a
plus
in
direct
portable
reuse.
So
it's
very
exciting
and
I'm
happy
to
be
working
on
that
project
on
planning
and
studies
I'll
just
hit
on
three
there's
so
many
things
that
are
exciting.
O
O
So
we
are
partnering
with
the
bureau
of
reclamation
and
others
to
sort
of
study
how
we
can
real
time
manage
reservoirs
in
a
way,
that's
a
little
bit
more
predictive
so
that
we
don't
release
a
whole
bunch
of
water,
and
then
we
don't
actually
get
the
storm
that
was
supposed
to
come
in
to
fill
it
so
that
we
don't
lose
that
important
storage.
So
that's
a
really
exciting
project
and
I'm
hoping
that
will
lead
to
more
efficient
water
management
in
the
future.
O
Marlette
lake
is
something
that
tom
was
interested
in
looking
at
right
now,
the
state
is
running
that
system
and
there
are
potential
opportunities
to
use
water
when
others
who
are
interested
in
using
marlette
water
and
have
rights
to
it,
aren't
using
it.
So
tom
was
interested
in
partnering
with
those
entities
and
the
state
to
use
marlette
water
when
it
other
people
aren't
needing
it
and
help
us
meet
some
of
these
return
flow
management,
potentially
to
put
it
into
the
ground,
water
for
storage
and
other
ways
to
put
that
water
to
full
beneficial
use.
O
And
then,
finally,
I
want
to
talk
about
something
that
I
think
is
all
near
to
us.
Given
the
recent
changes
and
what
we've
seen
in
fire,
behavior
and
and
fuels
reduction
and
watershed
protection.
So
we
are
a
little
bit
unique,
given
that
our
upstream
reservoirs
are
largely
located
on
land
that
we
do
not
own.
That's
largely
owned
by
the
united
states
forest
service
and
they
are
in
heavily
forested
areas
and
they
could
have.
O
That's
right
above
stampede
reservoir
and
help
close
a
funding
gap
on
approximately
four
million
dollar
project
that
would
meet,
treat
2,
900
acres
of
forest
and
help
protect
our
water
supply.
So
a
lot
of
exciting
things
and
again,
just
because
things
look
good
in
our
our
planning
doesn't
mean
that
there
isn't
more,
that
we
are
doing.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
J
And-
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
not
quite
as
familiar
with
this
this
one
as
I
am
southern
nevada,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things,
so
you
were
talking
about
the
whole
system
that
you
have
as
far
as
storage
goes.
N
From
the
surface
water
side
that's
correct:
every
year
the
troll
parties
are
exchanging
or
establishing
credit
water
in
those
upstream
storage
reservoirs
it
might
be
in
lake
tahoe
or
in
the
truckee
basin.
You
have
stampede
boca,
prosser
donner
and
independence
lakes
and
then,
as
far
as
our
groundwater
resources,
we
use
those
conjunctively
as
necessary
to
meet
the
demands
of
our
customers,
as
usually
in
the
summer
time
for
peaking
purposes.
N
That's
a
good
point
assembly,
woman
carlton
so
under
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
that
established
the
percentage
of
rights
between
california
and
nevada,
so
nevada
got
90
of
the
water
storage
from
the
groundwater
basins
and
then
california
had
10
percent.
J
A
A
Thank
you,
members,
additional
questions.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
zimmerman
and
miss
morris
for
being
here.
I
maybe
it's
our
because
we
have
a
plumbing
business
that
I
just
find
is
so
fascinating,
but
and
I
I
gave
a
hint
because
we
went
to
a
sewer
treatment
plant
and
I
truly
was
fascinated
a
couple
of
things
you
maybe
if
we
could.
G
I
remember
the
first
time
I
learned
about
troa
and
it
was
when
I
was
first
elected
in
2018
and
I
was
at
a
a
round
table
at
pyramid
lake,
with
the
pyramid,
paiute
drive
and
other
stakeholders,
and
my
district
is
at
the
bottom,
a
lot
of
the
water
basins.
In
fact,
it's
cost
me
a
lot
of
sleepless
nights.
G
I
have,
I
have
pyramid,
I
have
persian
county,
so
the
bottom
of
the
humboldt
and
I
used
to
have
walker
until
redistricting,
so
certainly
water
issues
have
been
a
huge
concern
for
my
constituency
that
I've
been
so
impressed
to
see
how
things
are
being
handled,
and
so
maybe
for
the
edification
of
myself
to
remind
me
and
others.
G
N
Sure
I'll
do
my
best,
so
troa
started
the
trolling
negotiations
started
more
than
30
years
ago.
Harry
reid
got
the
parties
together
and
forced
them
to
start
negotiating,
and
so
it
took
30
years
early
on.
They
did
the
what
was
called
the
preliminary
settlement
agreement,
which
established
some
of
the
initial
parameters
for
operating
the
river.
While
the
parties
were
negotiating
and
then
in
2008
troa
was
signed
by
all
the
tribal
parties.
G
When,
when
was
the
last
time
that
when
we
looked
at
the
the
normal
year
and
versus
a
dry
year,
when
was
the
last
time
that
pyramid
got
more
of
the
majority
when
it
was
a
normal
year?
What
was
the
last
time
they
got
more
of
the
flow.
N
G
O
Thank
you
steph
morris
for
the
record.
The
103
million
is
the
cost
of
that
project
on
american
flat
and
that
project
is
upgrades
to
the
treatment
facility
plus
an
ape
a
plus,
so
a
further
refined
treatment,
and
so
it
would
then
redo
reduce
the
amount
of
effluent.
That's
treated
effluent.
That's
discharged
into
swan
lake.
O
O
I
think,
in
january
and
december
of
last
year
for
the
cost
to
move
forward
with
that
project,
and
so
the
engineering
for
that
project
has
started
and
the
contract
has
been
awarded
and
so
that
there
are
other
things
that
we
are
doing
and
other
additional
dollars.
That
would
go
towards
the
sort
of
regional
treated
effluent.
But
this
is
sort
of
like
a
building
block,
so
to
speak
of
how
we
may
be
able
to
use
that
and
other
areas
and
maybe
recharge
larger
areas
for
growth,
ground
or
basin,
with
the
treated
potable
indirect
use.
C
Chair,
if
I
may
send
you
a
drink
to
you,
please
go
ahead.
Sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
I've
just
got
one
quick
question.
Now
the
80
000
acre
feet
of
ag
water
rights
that
were
converted.
Okay
was
there
any?
I
call
it
a
haircut,
but
was
there
any
reduction
in
in
those
numbers
when
they
were
converted
from
ag
to
m?
I
clearly
there
would
be
a
change
in
in
the
consumptive
use.
You
know
with
agriculture.
Typically,
it's
used
spread
goes
in
the
ground
or
trans
evaporation.
N
Good
question
senator
grocochie
for
the
record
john
zimmerman,
so
the
way
it
works
with
with
tumwa
is
if
a
project
is
going
to
be
sewered
to
the
truckee
meadows
wastewater
reclamation
facility,
which
then
discharges
treated
effluent
to
the
truckee
river.
There
is
no
consumptive
use
reduction
because
that
return
flow
goes
through
the
sewer
plant
instead
of
through
irrigated
agriculture.
C
A
All
right,
I
do
have
a
question
and
really
it's
just
putting
a
little
bit
of
a
finer
point
on
something
that
you
already
brought
up
in
your
presentation.
A
So
you
know,
of
course,
we
we
are
hearing
about
kind
of
the
different
operating
and
hydrolog
hydrological
conditions
in
different
areas,
and
so
you
know
we
just
heard
a
lot
down
here,
for
example
about
turf
removal
programs-
and
you
know
you
so
you
discuss
that
you're
looking
long
range
at
your
water
supply,
and
could
you
just
you
know
kind
of
elaborate
on
if
you
did
turf
conversions
in
the
truckee
meadows
service
territory,
essentially
that
conserved
water
would
not
be
able
to
expand
your
supply
for
your
customers,
but
it
would
go
to
flows
down
down
river.
N
So
the
way
it
works
within
tumla
system
is
when
a
developer
comes
into
our
service
territory
and
wants
water
service.
They
have
to
dedicate
water
rights
to
meet
their
demand
and
we
won't
serve
them
unless
they
give
us
those
water
rights
to
meet
that
demand,
and
I
think,
from
a
turf
removal
perspective.
We
also
have
to
look
back
at
customers
on
our
system.
We've
been
metered
since
the
early
80s,
with
each
passing
drought
that
drought
messaging
has
an
effect
on
our
customers.
Water
use.
So
over
time
our
customers
slowly
reduce
their
water
use.
N
We've
had
kind
of
toilet
retrofit
programs
and,
I
think,
also
you're,
seeing
developers
coming
into
the
area
and
because
they
have
to
dedicate
water
rights
and
that's
expensive.
They
want
to
reduce
their
water
use
too,
so
they're,
building
residential
developments
that
use
less
water
they're
having
hoas
control
front
lawns,
so
that
you
know
you
have
one
landscape
company
that
controls
the
irrigation
of
that
front
lawn
and
can
reduce
the
water
usage
in
that
manner
and
in
fact,
we've
we've
reduced
our
dedication
requirement
because
we're
seeing
that
reduction
in
water
demand
for
new
development.
O
Steph
morris
for
the
record,
if
I
could
just
add
on
since
2000,
doesn't
mean
we're
not
conserving.
We
actually
were
conserving
the
preliminary
settlement
agreement
before
troa
had
a
number
of
conservation
measurements
in
it,
so
we've
been
conserving
very
early
on
and
since
the
2000s
we've,
our
population
has
grown
by
30
and
our
water
use
has
reduced
by
30.
So
we
are
doing
conservation.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that.
I'm
glad
that
you
clarified
that
for
the
record,
because
it's
not
my
intention
to
make
it
sound
like
there's
not
conservation
going
on,
but
I
think
to
help
educate
our
members
and
the
public
that
the
conservation
initiatives
can
look
different
in
places
and
particularly
from
the
perspective
of
you
as
a
water
provider
to
the
community.
Some
of
the
the
incentives
change
based
on
the
system,
and
so
it's
not
to
say
that
even
you
know,
turf
reduction
is
not
a
valuable
thing.
A
You
discussed
how
some
of
the
new
development
is
is
adapting
to
that.
But
essentially
you
know
it
provides
more
of
a
downstream
benefit
than
it
does
to
the
the
long-term
supply
for
for
your
customer
base.
So
I
just
thought
it
was
it'd,
be
helpful
to
to
get
some
clarification
on
that
on
the
record
and
appreciate
all
the
conservation
initiatives
that
that
tunnel
has
been
undertaking
members
additional
questions
for
our
panel.
A
All
right
seeing
none.
I
think
that
concludes
our
question.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
you
both
for
your
presentation
today
and
I
think
it
was
very
helpful
for
us
to
to
get
a
perspective
on
the
the
two
major
water
distribution
systems
in
our
state
and
appreciate
your
time
today.
A
Thank
you,
mr
zimmerman
and
miss
morris
for
your
time
with
that.
We'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
will
be
a
presentation
on
water
issues
in
the
state
in
in
the
remainder
of
the
state.
So
I
believe
we
have
the
division
of
water
resources
will
be
joining
us
to
provide
that
presentation.
A
M
As
we
see
it,
a
lot
of
the
conservation
tools
that
the
municipalities
have
been
able
to
implement,
which
are
all
really
excellent,
we've
been
hearing
about
this
morning,
are
not
necessarily
available
to
a
lot
of
the
state,
a
lot
of
the
water
users
and
and
that's
an
important
perspective
it
that
that,
as
I
as
I
see
it,
going
forward,
the
current
drought
really
is
such
a
highlight.
M
It
really
brings
forward
the
complexities
and
the
constraints
that
are
faced
by
water
users
statewide
and
in
generally,
in
in
managing
at
this
very
limited
water
supply,
with
increasing
demands.
M
We
are
the
driest
state
in
the
nation.
This
is
we've
heard
this
before,
but
it's
worth
repeating
and
one
of
the
most
fast
fastest
growing
states
in
the
nation.
All
these
big
themes
that
we
talk
about
for
moving
forward
in
a
smart
way
rely
on
dependable
water
resources,
whether
it's
economic
issues,
environmental
protection,
public
health
and
safety,
effective
and
realistic
water
management
is,
is
essential,
and
none
of
these
things
happen
without
water,
security.
M
Now
this
is
this
is
one
way
of
demonstrating
where
we
stand
now
and
what
it
points
out
is
that
we're
already
barely
water
limited
across
most
of
the
state,
the
the
darker
colors
here
and
the
hatching-
represents
a
deficit
in
the
long
term
ability
to
meet
all
commitments.
M
Some
areas
have
much
more
acute
water
issues.
Some
areas,
of
course,
have
really
effective
water
management
plans
in
place,
but
it's
helpful
as
a
visual
geographically
there's
also
a
real
range
or
a
variety
of
reasons,
of
of
how
we
got
here,
and
it
goes
back
decades.
It's
nothing
new.
The
systems
have
resilience,
so
there
always
hasn't.
There
hasn't
always
been
a
great
urgency
to
address
it,
but
the
longer
we
wait,
the
more
difficult
and
the
more
expensive
it
gets,
particularly
with
increasing
demands
and
more
intense
drought
or
water
stress.
M
Our
agency
is
responsible
for
implementing
sound
policy
in
accordance
with
the
with
the
water
law
and
the
best
available
science,
but
more
immediately
our
focus.
The
focus
of
our
agency
is
on
meeting
the
day-to-day
needs
of
serving
the
public
of
meeting
statutory
deadlines
and
in
keeping
up
with
with
the
workload
that's
right
in
front
of
us
for
water
rights.
M
So
this
demonstrates
some
of
the
examples
of
the
complex
water
management
issues
that
we're
facing
today
and
will
continue
to
get
worse
if
we
don't
get
ahead
of
it,
hydrologic
connectivity
between
surface
water
and
groundwater,
I'm
going
to
explain
each
one
of
these
because
I
know
they're
it
it's
hard
to
grasp
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about
here
generally.
What
I'm
talking
about
are
where
wells
are
pumping
in
the
vicinity
of
a
river
is
so
over
time.
M
So
addressing
this
issue
is
generally
what
we
refer
to
when
with
conjunctive
management
and
that's
there's.
A
distinction
between
that
and
conjunctive
use
that
mr
zimmerman
was
talking
about.
But
conjunctive
management
is
where
we're
talking
about
these
issues
of
groundwater
and
surface
water
that
are
connected.
M
M
M
Now
all
these
issues
can
be,
and
generally
are,
very
site
specific,
which,
which
additionally
makes
it
hard
to
be
responsive
and
address
this,
especially
when
we're
really
focused
on
meeting
our
day-to-day
duties.
M
The
common
theme
among
the
complex
issues
is
that
there's
not
enough
not
enough
water
to
meet
all
needs
in
the
long
term
it
it's.
It's
often
recognized
that
nevada,
water
law
is
really
really
good
and
it
has
a
lot
of
history
behind
it
and
has
worked
well
for
us
for
so
many
decades,
and
that
is
absolutely
true
for
the
appropriation
and
re
reallocation
of
water
law
or
of
of
water
rights.
M
However,
there
are
really
there's
limited
statutory
tools
to
to
address
water
shortage,
and
I
made
the
note
here
that
the
use
of
the
term
water
shortage,
as
I'm
saying
it,
has
a
different
sense
than
the
specific
definition
that
mr
enzinger
gave
in
in
working
within
a
municipal
system.
I'm
just
talking
about
long-term,
not
having
enough.
M
It's
also
worth
mentioning
again
that
that
municipalities
have
have
great
options
and
have
done
so
to
really
implement
conservation
measures
that
are
effective
within
within
their
system,
and
this
is
something
that,
as
a
as
a
as
the
sole
provider
with
a
customer
base,
there's
there.
It
just
just
enables
a
lot
more
flexibility
and
in
how
that
can
be
implemented,
and
that's
just
not
available
in
in
in
every
area
where
each
user
has
their
own
water
right
it.
It
sets
it
up
for
a
different
set
of
options
or
limitations
in
being
responsive.
M
So
three
things
here:
the
first
administrative
cancellation
forfeiture
and
abandonment
of
water
rights,
and
really
this
is
related
to
the
the
issue
of
extensions
of
time
and
approving
or
not
approving
those-
and
this
is
a
very
important.
These
are
all
very
important
tools
for
reducing
commitments
where
water
is
not
being
used.
M
M
M
Depending
on
this
on
the
circuit
on
the
setting,
it's
often
discussed,
it's
been,
it's
been
proposed
and
held
up
in
court,
but
it's
never
been
implemented
on
a
large
scale
at
a
basin
scale
or
a
larger
system,
and
that's
similar
to
other
western
states.
There's
a
few
cases
where,
where
this
has
been
carried
out,
but
it's
it's
not
typically
a
management
tool
and
then
last
a
designation
of
critical
management
areas
in
2011.
M
This
was
added
into
state
law,
giving
giving
or
allowing
a
community
to
develop
a
groundwater
management
plan
as
a
way
of
getting
back
into
balance
and
there's
one
groundwater
basin
in
the
state
diamond
valley,
near
eureka,
where
this
has
been
implemented
and
it's
it's
currently.
It's
been
appealed
and
we're
currently
awaiting
ruling
on
the
supreme
court.
M
Regulations
can
be
part
of
this,
and
an
example
of
that
would
be
ab62
from
2019
that
addressed
extensions
of
time,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
exploring
and
talking
about
with
with
stakeholder
groups.
But
that
also
has
to
be
done
very
carefully.
M
M
Secondly,
reinforcing
nevada,
water
law.
Changing
law,
of
course,
is
very
contentious
and
difficult
and
time
consuming,
but
there's
there's
opportunities.
I,
as
I
see
it
to
to
clarify
the
legislative
intent,
for
instance,
if
we,
if
we
want
to
be
really
strict
about
non-use
and
and
cutting
back
based
on
based
on
this
sort
of
strict
interpretation
of
prior
appropriation.
That
needs
to
be
more
clarified,
I
would
say
in
in
the
in
the
law
and
on
the
other
hand,
if
we're
more
open
to
practical
alternatives,
that
too
could
be
clarified
or
reinforced
in
in
all
cases.
M
M
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
I'm
sure
we
have
quite
a
few
questions,
I'll
open
it
up
to
other
members.
First.
G
G
M
Thank
you
for
the
question,
adam
sullivan,
for
the
record.
Absolutely
we
have.
We
are
making
this
a
priority
with
the
you
know
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
it
really
helps
us
give
opportunities
to
have
public
meetings
and
the
issues
and
the
solutions
and
the
concepts
are
really
local
and
site-specific.
So
it's
important
to
have
that
sort
of
public
engagement.
M
We've
we've
held
recent
meetings
in
in
lovelock
in
winnemucca
and
elko
to
talk
about
issues
on
the
humboldt
river.
We
have
a
meeting
coming
up
next
week
in
overton
to
talk
about
the
muddy
river.
We
have
two
meetings
in
smith,
mason
and
smith
and
mason
valley
in
april
to
talk
about
issues
with
the
walker
river.
M
We're
we
are
have
a
continual
engagement
with
the
community
in
eureka
to
discuss
the
groundwater
management
plan.
So,
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
we
are
prioritizing
that
it's
especially
important
now
with
the
drought
and
that
and
the
sort
of
acute
water
shortage
issues.
G
Thank
you
and
yes,
I
I
do
understand
that
you've
been
constrained
with
the
pandemic.
I
know
that
you're
recently,
you
know
new
to
this
position.
So
I'm
glad
you
could
get
on
the
record
that
you're
going
to
make
these
efforts
and
I'm
sure
it
will
be
well
received
that
personal
one-on-one
or
your
office
being
involved
in
these
communities.
I
think,
will
be
a
real
boon
for
people
to
have
a
voice
and
and
hopefully
provide
you
with
some
really
good
information.
G
M
M
It's
it's
a
concept
that
was
only
introduced
into
or
recognized,
I
would
say
in
the
law
just
recently
historically
there's
a
different
set
of
rules
for
administering
surface
water
sources
from
groundwater
sources,
and
it's
been
a
challenge
to
recognize
the
hydrologic
realities
within
those
those
constraints
that
are
built
into
what
everyone's
relied
on
for
generations
in
some
cases.
So
as
far
as
examples,
the
the
it
becomes
most
acute
in
river
systems
that
are
are
losing
and
you
have
the
most
senior
rights
at
the
downstream
end.
M
So
you
have
the
surface
water
right
at
the
most
senior
surface
water
right
at
the
downstream
end
of
the
system
and
there's
there's
a
number
of
challenges
with
just
practically
and
climatically
and.
M
G
Thank
you
chair
for
the
indulgence
and
thank
you
and,
and
to
that
point
no
real
examples.
Yet,
yes,
this
is
still
new.
That's
what
makes
it
hard
and
hard
for
people
to
understand
in
these
communities
when
they
don't
have
something
concrete
that
they
can.
Actually,
if
they're
going
to
be
the
guinea
pigs,
there's
some
there's
some
understandable
concern
over
it.
G
So
I
think,
having
test
programs
that
sort
of
thing
that
we
can
offer
up,
whether
it
was
with
the
sage
grouse
and
doing
some
studies
and
doing
some
things
that
we
could
get
some
data
from
having
some
of
that
kind
of
information,
I
think,
will
help
all
of
us
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
this
might
be
a
possible
solution
to
a
very
difficult
problem.
Thank
you.
F
You
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
but
I
I
do
have
some.
I
hear
a
lot
of
concerns
out
of
the
humboldt
river,
of
course
and
say:
you've
got
ranchers,
that's
got
water
rights
on
on
downstream
and
groundwater,
so
they
for
years
have
been
using
irrigation
now
all
of
a
sudden
they're
going
to
go
to
pivots
and
they
go
to
groundwater
or
go
to
wells.
F
F
F
M
F
Water
rights
going
to
be
challenged.
Do
you
think
I
mean
that's
what
it
looks
like
to
me
that
these
people
are
gonna,
have
to
challenge
some
of
these,
these
new
laws
coming
on
the
books
or
lose
a
lot
of
their
water
rights?
F
I
think
that
I
don't
know
the
people,
the
upstream
or
the
ones
that
are
having
the
problems,
the
oil,
some
of
these
down,
that
way
that
going
to
be
more
of
a
challenge
and
a
cost
expense.
This
is
going
to
go
back
on
you.
M
It
it
is
a
challenge
it
it.
It
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
on
our
office
to
work
with
the
with
the
limited
staff
and
limited
tools
to
to
not
create
more
problems,
or
than
than
we
already
have
and
work
towards
solutions
and
not
make
really
draconian
decisions
that
cause
more
harm
than
they
serve
to
specifically
address
the
problem
and
make
that
make
the
water
go
as
far
as
we
can
and
not
honor
the
prior
appropriation
system,
but
also
allow
as
much
beneficial
use
under
existing
water
rights.
Groundwater
rights,
as
we
can.
C
Do
you
want
to
stay
up
north?
Mr
chair?
I've
got
a
question
sure.
Thank
you.
Go
ahead.
Senator
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
just
I
need
to
clarify.
Now
you
said
diamond
valley
was
the
only
critical
management
area
I
thought.
161
per
rump
was
also
a
critical
managing
area,
even
though
it's
over
appropriated
but
not
over
pumped.
Am
I
wrong
in
that.
M
C
All
right,
thank
you.
I
I
I
guess
I
thought
it
was
a
cma,
then
I'll
follow
up.
If
I
may,
mr
chair,
I
and
I
agree
wholeheartedly
with
the
update
in
the
science.
We
have
to
know
what
water
is
available
and
have
an
accurate
compute
computation
of
what
we've
got
in
the
bank
and-
and
I
you
know
to
this
committee
and
to
all
my
colleagues-
we
need
to
fund
this,
and
if
we
don't
come
up
with
the
science
it
says
hey.
C
This
is
what's
available,
we'll
never
know
whether
we're
over-appropriated
under-appropriated
over-pumped,
and
we
talk
about
changing
water
law.
Let's
find
out
what
we've
got
in
the
bank
first,
so
I
really
appreciate
your
presentation,
miss
fairbanks,
mr
sullivan.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
those
remarks
and
also
understanding
that
this
is
natural
resources
currently
and
not
interim
finance
committee,
but
but
do
appreciate
having
some
of
those
issues
raised,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
division
for
limiting
those
to
the
half
of
the
last
slide,
because
I
do
know
that
resources
are
are
a
significant
issue
across
state
agencies.
E
Thank
you
senator.
B
M
M
It's
something
as
as
I
see
it,
it
has
some
significant
consequences.
So
it's
not
something
that
I
would
be
inclined
to
go
forward
with.
Without
the
community
support,
it
has
to
be
a
single
groundwater
basin
and
it
has
to
be
in
an
area
where
pumping
consistently
exceeds
the
estimated
perennial
yield
each
year.
So
it's
not
just
necessarily
being
over
appropriated,
but
it's
over
pumped.
M
So
those
are,
those
are
the
basic
rules.
I
think
you
know.
As
far
as
the
the
consequence
well
I'll
add
to
this.
What
happens
in
a
critical
management
area
is
that
the
local
community
is
then
responsible
for
developing
a
groundwater
management
plan
for
the
long
term,
and
the
state
engineer
needs
to
approve
that
plan
and
if
that's
not
done
within
a
period
of
10
years,
then
the
then
the
state
is
must
curtail
by
priority.
M
So
the
consequences
are
pretty
are
severe
and
right
now,
like
I
said,
we're
we're
awaiting
the
supreme
court's
ruling
on
on
diamond
valley
going
forward
and
depending
on
what
comes
out
of
that.
I
think
that
will
be
a
good
building
block
to
see
how
this
can
be
used
effectively
in
other
parts
of
the
state.
B
M
You
understood
that
correctly
parum
has
a
groundwater
management
plan,
but
it
wasn't
created
in
response
to
being
designated
a
critical
management
area.
Just
like
las
vegas
basin
has
a
groundwater
management
plan,
there's
lots
of
good
reasons
and
ways
to
develop
a
groundwater
management
plan,
but
a
cma
would
require
that
a
community
needs
to
develop
that.
M
However,
okay,
thank
you,
the
state.
You
know
we
do
work
with
other
communities
with
pahrump,
with
our
municipalities
to
to
help
make
a
groundwater
management
plan
effective.
B
A
I
do
have
several
so
I
think
I'll
jump
in
with
a
few
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
see
if
it's
inspired
some
for
others.
I
guess
one
thing
just
to
briefly
revisit
conjunctive
management
issues
and
again
I
think
you
know,
I
think
the
presentations
are
helpful.
Sometimes
I
like
to
zoom
out
a
little
bit
just
to
kind
of
put
a
finer
point
on
the
issue,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
with
many
of
these
issues,
but
particularly
with
conjunctive
management.
A
It's
something
that
you
know,
especially
as
science
has
evolved.
It
clearly
supports,
and
you
know
we
understand
that,
for
example,
when
there's
irrigation,
that
some
of
that
water
goes
down
and
recharges,
and
so
similarly-
and
I
think
it's
become
clear-
that
when
you
have
groundwater
and
surface
water
close
to
each
other,
that
there's
interactions
between
those
two
and
that
a
water
law
system
that
treats
them
as
completely
separate
leads
to
some
some
double
counting.
A
Unfortunately,
addressing
that
means
that
there's
going
to
be
some
some
winners
and
losers.
I
think
so
I
was
just
wondering.
Is
that
kind
of
an
accurate
summation
of
of
some
of
the
issues
is
that
we've
essentially
kind
of
as
the
science
has
evolved?
It's
created
a
situation
where
you
know
adjusting
our
rights
and
our
water
rights
and
our
law
to
that.
It
essentially
creates
conflicts.
M
Yes,
I
think
that's
a
fair,
characterization
and,
and
so
now
we're
in
a
situation
where
we
need
to
figure
out.
What's
the
smartest
way
to
move
forward,
that
honors
the
prior
appropriation
system,
but
also
protects
as
existing
users
as
much
as
we
can
within
a
realistic
knowledge
or
understanding
of
what
the
water
budget
is.
A
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
revisit
something
that
you
said
on
the
issue
of
curtailment,
and
you
discussed
that.
Obviously
it
is,
it
can
be
draconian,
but
it
is
essentially
the
the
hammer
that
we
have
underwater
law
as
it
stands
currently
to
protect
against
over
appropriation
over
pumping.
A
In
particular,
you
mentioned
that
there
are
potentially
some
areas
where
there's
kind
of
a
lack
of
clarity,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
one
refresh
kind
of
the
committee
on
whether
curtailment
prior
by
priority
has
occurred
in
nevada
and
what
some
of
the
issues
are
that
you
see
on
its
potential
application
to
bring
a
basin
into
balance.
M
We
manage
groundwater
rights
on
a
basin
scale,
so
oftentimes
when
we're
looking
at
concentrated
shortage,
it's
within
it
might
be
within
one
particular
area
and
to
strictly
curtail
by
priority.
You
might
be
curtailing
those
who
who
wouldn't,
if
you
curtailed
in
a
certain
area,
it
wouldn't
affect
anybody
else
over
a
really
long
period
of
time.
So
you
have
to
be
realistic
about
what
the
implications
are,
those
for
the
local
community
affected.
M
So
although
it
can
be
a
tool
in
how
we
deal
with
this,
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
unintended
consequences
of
using
of
using
that
as
a
strict
and
the
sole
basis
for
decision
making
that
get
out.
Your
thank.
A
You
for
that,
no,
I
I
think
it
does
provide
some
additional
clarity
on
some
of
the
complications
and
details.
I
know
that
there
was
legislation
within
the
last
couple
of
sessions
addressing
kind
of
that
health,
safety
and
minimum
use
when
it
came
to
domestic
wells,
and
I
think
that
is
a
a
broader
issue
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
the
the
most
basic
water
needs
of
of
people
are
met
in
some
of
these
dire
circumstances,
and
I
I
will,
I
think,
come
back
around
to
domestic
well
issues.
A
F
C
C
And
so
I
guess
again
and
that's
why
I
continue
to
plead
my
case.
You
know
yeah
and
then,
if
you
happen
to
be
and-
and
I
always
challenge
this
say
on
the
humboldt
river
system
in
which
we've
got
all
these
basins,
of
which
a
number
of
them
do
have:
groundwater
rights
and
service
water
rights
and
supplemental
rights
and
yet
technically
they're
in
the
same
basin,
they
are
being
recharged
by
that
river
system.
Would
you
agree
to
that.
C
A
A
What
are
some
of
the
policy
options
that
could
be
used
to
deal
with
over
appropriation
and
and
particularly
over
pumping
in
the.
M
I
would
say
from
a
policy
standpoint
going
back
to
creating
incentives
for
water
conservation
that
can
be
implemented.
M
And
I
draw
the
distinction
here
between
what
what
our
municipalities
can
do
within
a
system
where
they're
the
sole
water
right
holder
and
they
have
a
customer
base.
That's
a
really
good
system
for
being
able
to
implement
conservation
and
incentivize
it,
but
where
we
have
a
a
large
area
where
everybody
holds
their
own
water
right,
what
and
it
sort
of
prior
appropriations
or
if
we
use
it
or
lose
a
type
of
a
of
a
basis.
M
And
then
you
know
a
second
on
a
second
matter
is:
is
this
question
of
critical
management
areas
and
groundwater
management
plans?
That's
another
avenue
for
local
communities
to
develop
effective
plans,
and
I
think,
there's
some
room
there
policy
wise
to
add
some
some
guidance
and
some
certainty
about
what
can
or
cannot
be
done
and
still
be
within.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
mr
sullivan.
Let's,
let's
move
over
to
funding,
and
I
appreciate
there
was
some
distinction
in
some
of
the
things
that
you
addressed
and
it's
obviously
a
recurring
concern
among
members
of
the
legislature
in
terms
of
some
of
the
one-time
funding
and
so
there's
a
discussion
of
some
of
the
modernization
and
some
of
the
scientific
updates
that
would
be
one-time
kind
of
expenditures
versus
some
of
the
ongoing
staffing
needs
that
you
discussed,
which
require
sustainable,
ongoing
funding.
A
You
also
discussed
incentives
for
conservation.
I
think
there's
a
policy
aspect
to
that
which
you
know.
I
look
forward
to
us.
I
think,
having
a
more
robust
conversation
about
moving
forward,
including
on
our
our
may
public
lands
meeting
with
some
of
the
other
and
some
of
the
other
public
lands
meetings
where
we
get
different
stakeholders
to
provide
some
of
their
perspectives
on
what
some
of
those
policy
incentives
could
look
like,
but
there's
also
financial
incentives
needed
to
undertake
many
of
these
conservation
initiatives,
which
again
comes
back
to
the
issue
of
funding.
A
So
could
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
are
some
of
the
funding
options
through
kind
of
fees,
assessments
and
other
things
within
your
agency,
and
if
there
are
any
kind
of
options,
barriers
that
you
see
in
terms
of
being
able
to
bring
in
some
revenue
kind
of
at
your
agency
level,
to
support
some
of
the
the
the
staffing
that
you
have
in
addition
to,
of
course,
general
funding?
E
Thank
you.
Assemblyman
wants
michelin
fairbank
for
the
record
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
this
question
with
respect
to
the
funding
issues
that
we
have.
Our
agency
is
supported
through
a
various
different
funding
mechanisms.
Mechanisms
were
predim,
predominantly
funded
through
general
funds,
and
that's
not
revenue
based
or
it's
not
fee-based.
E
We
do
collect
fees,
but
all
of
our
fees
are
set
in
statute
about
four
sessions
ago.
There
was
a
proposal
where
they
tried
to
go
ahead
and
structure
our
agency
to
be
proportionally
fee
based
based
upon
our
fee
revenue.
However,
our
fee
revenue
generally
only
brings
in
about
three
million
dollars
per
year
and
which
is
about
one
third
of
our
actual
operating
revenue
or
operating
budget,
so
that
was
not
a
feasible
fee
structure
in
revenue
source
for
the
agency,
so
that
was
ultimately
reversed.
E
The
other
portion
of
revenue
that
supports
the
work
of
the
agencies
through
our
basin
revenue
accounts
and
those
basin
revenue
accounts
are
assessments
in
designated
basins
where
we
have
assigned
an
assessment.
Those
assessments
are
based
upon
per
water
right
or
in
based
upon
basins.
Where
we
have
municipal
use
is
the
predominant
manner
of
use.
Then
we
do
an
ad
form
assessment,
so
las
vegas
basin,
the
truckee
meadows.
Those
are
ad
florum
assessments
where
our
rural
areas
are
where
the
irrigation
is.
The
predominant
manner
of
use
are
done
on
a
water
right
basis.
E
When
we
talk
about
the
constraints
and
the
needs
and
other
funding
mechanisms,
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
face
is
85
percent
of
our
budget
pays
for
our
people,
so
when
we
have
to
do
budget
cuts
and
those
different
types
of
things,
there's
very
limited
areas
for
us
to
make
those
cuts
and
it
impacts
the
type
and
manner
of
services
that
we
have
certainly
with
the
availability
of
arpa
funding.
We're
looking
at
that
is
to
try
to
do
some
of
the
budget
patching.
E
E
State
engineer
sullivan,
you
mentioned
the
water
resource
initiative
and
that's
to
update
our
basin
budgets.
That
would
be
an
appropriate
and
responsible
use
of
arpa
funding
to
help
fund
that
on
an
upfront
basis,
and
that
would
support
that
work
over
the
next
five
years,
plus
the
modernization
and
digitization
initiative
that
has
been
spoken
of.
There
is
an
ongoing
cost
component
to
that,
but
it's
also
an
essential
cost
component.
E
Every
single
file
is
a
paper
file
and
while
it's
good
to
have
paper
and
some
of
our
historic
records,
or
certainly
have
you
know,
you
know
some
sentimental
value
and
historical
value
as
a
state.
It's
not
it's
not
a
benefit
to
the
public
to
have
everything
in
paper.
E
If
a
water
right
user
in
gabs
or
in
caliente,
wants
to
review
their
permit
file,
they
either
have
to
contact
our
office,
and
we
have
to
make
a
photocopy
of
that
and
mail
it
to
them
or
send
it
via
electronic
delivery,
which
takes
staff
time
and
resources
or,
alternatively,
they
have
to
drive
to
carson
city
to
physically
view
that
file.
That
is
not
a
public
service
and
that's
not
efficient
expenditure
of
state
funding.
So
modernizing
our
systems.
E
E
In
terms
of
other
funding,
the
bottom
line
is
as
an
agency.
We
are
responsible
for
administering
and
managing
all
of
nevada's
water
resources,
except
for
the
colorado
river,
and
if
the
state
wants
to
go
ahead
and
continue
to
prosper
in
economic
development
and
public
health
and
social
justice
and
all
these
other
priorities
of
a
state,
you
can't
do
that
without
water
and,
if
you
don't
prioritize
funding
the
agency,
that
is
responsible
to
support
that
then
you're
short,
you're
short
shifting
the
entire
state
for
how
we're
going
to
proceed
on
a
forward
moving
basis.
K
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
believe
this
would
be
for
the
state
engineer.
Mr
sullivan,
I
was
just
wondering,
are
residents
in
las
vegas
valley
are?
Are
they
still
allowed
to
drill
domestic
wells?
Do
we
still
allow
that.
M
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I
depending
on
where
this
goes.
I
mean
officially
to
help
me
answer
this
question,
but
the
answer
is
yes.
If
you,
what
we're
doing
now
in
in
in
following
up
on
the
discussion
that
you
heard
from
from
mr
enzminger,
if
you
have
a
water,
what
we're
telling
people,
if
you
have
a
water
right,
you
can
drill
a
domestic
well
and
use
that
water
right
to
support
that,
but
we're.
A
K
K
I
I'm
surprised
by
then
answer.
I
I
honestly
thought
it
was
going
to
be.
No,
so
it
does
it.
Is
it
just
sort
of
a
blanket?
If
you
have
water
rights,
you
can
do
it.
Does
it
matter
proximity
to
line
water
line,
I
mean,
is
it
just
this
blanket?
If
you
have
the
water
rights,
you
can
do
it
or
is
there
some
sort
of.
E
Assemblywoman
axelrod
bilbray
axelrod
michelin
fairbank
for
the
record
to
follow
up
on
your
your
follow-up
question.
The
reason
it's
not
a
blanket
now
is
because
there
are
certain
circumstances
and
locations
where
drilling
a
domestic.
Well
is
the
only
viable
option
to
go
ahead
and
support
the
construction
of
residential
dwelling,
there's
other
constraints,
so
we
do
look
at
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
E
Clark
county
has:
it
has
implemented
certain
lot
size
restrictions,
so
a
lot
size
has
to
be
one
acre
for
most
of
the
area.
Some
areas
of
the
basin
require
at
least
a
minimum
lot
size
of
five
acres
for
the
drilling
of
a
domestic.
Well,
we
also
look
at
proximity
to
city
water,
but
we
also
look
at
whether
or
not
there
is
availability
or
practical
reality
of
obtaining
service,
so
by
allowing
a
domestic.
Well
that
is
utilizing
an
existing
water
right
to
drill
a
domestic.
E
A
All
right,
I
know
that
we're
going
through
a
lot.
I
have
a
couple
more
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about,
as
well
would
be
to
revisit
would
be
forfeiture
which
you
discussed
earlier
on
in
your
presentation,
and
you
discuss
kind
of
some
of
the
potential
challenges
that
exist
there.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
discuss
that
a
little
bit
more,
what's
been
happening
in
that
area.
Yeah.
Have
there
been
any
successes
around
that?
A
M
Generally
speaking,
those
decisions
are
commonly
appealed
and-
and
it's
so
it's
there's
a
matter
of
working
with
the
district
court
to
understand
what
goes
into
that
and
what
the
implications
of
either
of
approving
that
or
or
overturning
that
could
be,
and
I
think,
there's
a
recognition
that
it's
a
difficult
thing
to
do.
There's
it's
but
it's,
but
it
has.
M
It's
it's
not
something
that
we
are
really
built
as
an
agency
to
be
able
to
handle
effectively
on
a
large
scale.
It's
a
case-by-case
one
by
one
sort
of
operation
and
again
we
have,
I
said,
six
thousand
extensions
of
time
per
year,
but
but
maybe
let's
just
say,
one
thousand
of
those
are
extensions
of
time
to
prevent
forfeiture
and
those
are
individuals
where
we've
sent
them.
We've
sent
the
owner
notice
that
water
hasn't
been
used
for
at
least
four
years
or
more
and
they're.
M
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
the
the
last
thing
that
I
want
to
do
is
circle
back
around
on
domestic
wells
and
I'm
sure
this
is
going
to
be
sending
out
alarm
bells
across
the
state.
A
But
could
you
speak
to
a
little
bit
too?
I
know
there's
been
significant
issues
with
domestic
wells
in
pahrump.
Could
you
speak
to
kind
of
the
the
most
recent
developments
in
in
pahrump
around
domestic
well
issues,
and
could
you
just
refresh
kind
of
the
committee
on
how
the
interests
in
domestic
wells
are
separate
from
water
rights
and
how
those
kind
of
interact-
and
I
I
think,
probably
in
discussing
the
parent
issue
you
you'll-
get
to
that,
but
if
you
could
just
speak
to
that
briefly,.
E
Thank
you.
Assemblyman
wants
I'll,
go
ahead
and
take
this
question.
Michelin
fairbank
for
the
record,
so
with
respect
to
domestic
wells.
So
since
the
the
state
engineer
issued
order,
1293-a,
which
prohibited
drilling
of
a
new
domestic
well
in
the
in
the
prompt
basin,
without
the
relinquishment
of
two
acre
feet
of
a
water
rate,
and
the
significance
of
that
is
that
under
nevada
water
law,
a
domestic
well
is
exempt
from
having
the
requirement
to
have
a
water
right.
E
So
it's
it's
exempt
from
the
requirements
to
obtain
two
acre
feet
of
water
to
serve
that
domestic.
Well,
what
that
also
means
is
that
that
domestic
well
is
not
subject
to
the
other
perfection
requirements
under
the
statute.
That
is
equipping
the
well
the
works
of
diversion
and
then
proving
a
beneficial
use
and
certificating
the
right.
E
There
is
that
requirement
that
a
two-acre
foot,
water
right
be
relinquished
and
what
the
effect
of
that
is
is
it
helps
to
offset
the
additional
draw
of
those
new
domestic
wells
within
that
basin,
as
well
as
taking
additional
water
rights
off
the
books.
So
it's
one
small
step
in
towards
in
an
effort
to
go
ahead
and
bring
some
balance
to
that
particular
basin.
E
Other
issues
that
arise
are
you
know
where
we
have.
You
know
kind
of
referring
back
to
assemblywoman
bilbray
axelrod's
question
with
regards
to
drilling
domestic
wells
in
municipal
areas
like
the
las
vegas
basin.
That
does
create
additional
challenges,
particularly
if
you
start
moving
forward
and
you
have
the
water
supplies
expanded
in
those
particular
areas,
and
you
have
existing
domestic
wells
and
say
you
didn't:
have
a
municipal
water
supply
within
a
reasonable
proximity
of
that
parcel.
At
the
time
the
well
was
drilled,
but
several
years
down
the
road.
Now
you
have
a
municipal
water
supply.
E
What
is
responsible
resource
management
for
that
particular
location?
Is
it
to
have
both
the
municipal
water
supply
in
the
service
territory
with
domestic
wells,
or
are
there
other
resource
management
decisions
that
are
appropriate
for
that
particular
location
and
those
are
really
localized
issues
that
are
specific
to
the
particular
basins
and
communities,
but
we
certainly
enjoy
being
engaged
in
those
questions
and
those
processes
to
try
to
find
appropriate
resource
management
in
those
locations,
as
well
as,
what's
appropriate
for
statewide
policy
management.
A
I
do
believe
personally
that,
because
of
the
the
different
status
of
domestic
wells,
that
it
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
remaining
elements
to
deal
with
within
our
water
law,
because
they
do
not
require
a
water
right
and
so
in
a
full,
fully
appropriated
basin
domestic
wells
can
can
continue
to
be
drilled
and
utilized,
even
in
an
area,
that's
not
only
over
appropriate
but
even
over
pumped,
and
I
think
that
that
there
should
be
some
additional
discussion
around
a
statewide
policy
to
address
that
to
account
for
domestic
wells
within
these
basins,
while
also
understanding
some
of
the
the
regional
differences
and
the
actual
impacts
that
that
they
can
have,
because,
while
in
in
many
basins,
two
acre
feet
alone
may
not
be
much
again.
A
We've
seen
the
the
concentrated
issues
and
if
we're
already,
you
know,
if
we,
under
our
current
system,
we
do
things
by
basin
and
a
basin
is
already
fully
appropriated
and
particularly,
if
it's
already
being
over
pumped.
It
seems
that
to
go
back
to
language
used
by
the
southern
nevada
water
authority.
The
first
step
that
we
want
to
do
is
is
stop
the
bleeding
and
prevent
the
problem
from
getting
worse
so
that
it
does
not
become
more
costly
and
more
conflict
riddled
when
we,
when
we
work
to
unwind
it
moving
forward.
C
If
I
could
there's
one
thing,
I'd
like
to
clarify,
make
sure
it's
clear
and
get
on
the
record
sure
go
ahead.
Senator
thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
sullivan
and
miss
fairbanks.
I
just
want
to
get
this
on
the
record.
Now.
You
are
required
by
law
to
notify
a
water
right
holder
prior
to
forfeiture
that
that
ride
is
subject
to
forfeiture
and
they
have
a
year
to
cure.
It.
M
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
think
that
concludes
our
questions.
Thank
you
again
to
both
of
you
for
your
presentation
on
on
these
issues
and
answering
all
the
questions.
We
appreciate
it
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
today,
which
will
be
a
presentation
on
emergency
preparedness
and
climate
issues.
A
D
Good
morning,
chair
and
committee
members
dave
ferguson,
nevada's
emergency
management,
homeland
security
chief.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
about
the
emergency
response,
hazard
mitigation
resilience
and
probably
the
effects
of
climate
change
that
we're
seeing
on
the
increase
of
disasters,
whether
it
ebbs
and
flows,
and
that's
what
I
like
about
the
the
term
climate
change
is
climate
gets
better
climate
gets
worse.
D
We
just
have
to
figure
out
how
we
fix
those
issues,
moving
forward
to
pare
down
the
number
of
disasters
peer
down,
the
cost
of
disasters,
emergency
management's
in
kind
of
an
odd
world,
we're
not
in
charge
of
anything
until
the
disaster
strikes,
and
then
everyone
looks
at
us
to
lean
forward
and
do
the
work,
and
so
we
do
a
lot
of
casks.
We
do
consequence
management
for
the
cascading
impacts
of
these
different
emergencies.
D
So
I'd
like
to
walk
you
through
a
little
bit
about
how
we
do
emergency
management
and
talk
about
some
of
the
disasters
we've
seen
in
the
last
couple
years
and
we
can
discuss
how
that
is
being
affected
by
climate,
how
that's
being
affected
by
the
environment?
How
that's
been
affected
by
the
growth
of
our
state
and
items
that
we
probably
need
to
take
into
account
and
we've
had
great
discussion
today
about
the
the
water
and
the
drought
issues
and
we've
had?
D
I
saw
last
meet
you
guys
heard
from
forester,
casey
and
hearing
about
the
wildland
issues
and
and
all
that
rolls
up
together
to
we're
not
looking.
This
is
a
water
issue,
we're
not
looking
at
as
a
land
management
issue
for
wildland
fire
emergency
management
looks.
It
is
all
hazard.
We
want
to
bring
all
the
friends
to
the
party
to
have
that
conversation
about
how
we
fix
things
moving
forward.
That's
what
we're
good
at
and
the
division
is
a
proud
part
of
the
office
of
military
july
1st
of
2021.
D
We
did
move
from
the
department
of
public
safety
over
the
office
of
military.
Still,
a
lot
of
people
still
think
we're
over
to
dps,
but
it
is
a
very
proud
of
all
of
us
to
be
able
to
work
for
general
barry,
probably
the
best
boss,
I've
ever
had
in
my
life,
so
we
are
nevada's,
essential,
coordinating
disaster,
coordinating
partner,
you'll,
see
on
the
slide.
It's
our
typical
vision,
mission,
values
and
goals
that
all
state
agencies
have,
but
you
notice
through
ours,
ours
isn't
about
doing
stuff.
Ours
is
about
bringing
people
together
and
having
conversations.
D
Our
goals
are
getting
people
together
in
effective
teams
to
handle
those
issues
because
we're
not
the
subject
matter
experts,
but
we're
the
people
who
have
to
know
those
subject
matter
experts
and
bring
them
to
the
table,
whether
it's
a
state
water
engineer,
whether
it's
the
state
flood
plain
manager,
whether
it's
a
the
climate
scientist,
whoever
those
folks
are
whether
it's
state
forester.
Those
are
people
that
we
convene
together
to
have
these
discussions
about
what's
going
on
and
how
we
move
forward
better
and
then
how
do
we
respond
to
that
disaster?
The
best.
D
The
process
that
emergency
management
uses
it
looks
really
pretty
in
the
slide.
It's
a
great
circle
and
it
looks
like
it
feeds
one
another
to
the
other
to
the
other
in
real
life.
It's
not
this
pretty,
but
what
we
do
is
we
prevent
disasters
from
occurring
and
some
are
disasters.
We
can
prevent
some
of
the
disasters
we
can't
prevent,
but
the
ones
we
can.
We
start
taking
those
pieces
to
see.
How
do
we
reduce
that
impact
to
that
disaster?
How
do
we
prevent
that
disaster
from
occurring?
D
D
Some
of
these
recoveries
are
very
long
term
we're
still
working
on
the
2017
floods.
Those
are
still
open,
disaster,
recovery
methods
or
open
disaster
recovery,
and
we
recently
received
a
grant
from
the
federal
emergency
management
agency
and
the
tune
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
buy
those
homes
around
spawn
lake.
So
we
reduce
that
impact
again
in
the
future
and
that's
kind
of
a
mix
between
that
mitigation
and
recovery
piece.
How
we
do
things
moving
forward.
D
We
always
try
to
look
at
emergencies
being
locally
executed,
state
directed
state
supported
or
state,
guided
state
directed
and
federally
supported.
We
want
the
locals
to
be
able
to
solve
the
problem
themselves.
The
more
we
get
the
locals
to
be
able
to
solve
the
problems
themselves,
the
less
we
have
to
be
involved
with
the
process
when
it
exceeds
their
capabilities.
That's
when
we
lean
in
to
help.
But,
as
you
know,
the
state
doesn't
have
a
tremendous
number
of
resources
and
we
really
saw
that
through
covid.
D
We
had
the
nevada
national
guard
to
be
able
to
supply
those
resources.
We
don't
have
additional
resources,
they're
just
sitting
around
to
apply
and
so
a
lot
of
the
times.
What
we
do
is
state
directed
state
guided
to
find
them
the
resources
either
from
non-profit
agencies,
from
other
local
municipalities
that
aren't
affected
or
from
other
states
that
can
assist
us
and
then,
after
that
part,
we
go
to
the
feds
for
assistance,
and
I
love
telling
our
story
and
pictures
down
the
bottom
there.
D
This
is
the
part
of
the
nevada
emergency
operations
center
and
through
the
cova
disaster
we've
had
fema
embedded
in
our
operations.
Center
we've
had
a
cdc
foundation
has
provided
us
three
employees
that
are
embedded
in
our
emergency
operations
center,
and
then
we
have
the
nevada
national
guard
there,
and
it
is
really
a
community
partnership.
That's
making
all
this
work
together
and
that's
what
emergency
management
excels
at.
D
So
our
main
hazards
in
nevada
earthquake
anything
that
protect
and
prevent
we're,
really
not
able
to
do
that.
Much
in
that
earthquake
realm
people
talk
about
earthquake
weather,
but
yeah.
We
can't
change
the
weather
that
well,
but
if
you
look
at
our
other
hazards,
a
wildland
fire
flooding
severe
storm,
extreme
heat,
drought
and
pandemic,
those
are
all
areas
that
we
can
work
on:
preventing
protecting
mitigating
responding
recovery
from
and
bringing
together
all
those
parties
and
the
upper
pitcher.
Here
this
is
the
tamarack
fire
that
burned
from
california
into
nevada.
D
We
lost
a
number
of
homes
in
nevada
as
a
result
of
it
and
had
the
largest
evacuation
nevada's
population
in
our
history
and
then
as
a
result
of
those
fires.
Here's
some
debris
flow
that
we
saw
post
fire
and
that's
what
we're
looking
at
with
the
mitigation
activities
is.
How
do
we
keep
that
fire
from
becoming
this
mudslide
event
that
closes
the
road
in
the
future?
How
do
we
buy
down
those
risks
that
way
we
have
better
opportunities
to
reduce
the
future
impacts
of
that
disaster.
D
When
you
look
at
2021,
2020
was
kind
of
a
2021
was
the
oh.
My
gosh
year
2020
had
a
big
disaster
at
covid,
but
we
only
had
a
couple
of
other
smaller
disasters.
We
had
an
earthquake
that
dammed
highway
95
that
indot
had
to
declare
disaster
in
order
to
repair.
We
had
a
wildland
fire
in
the
city
of
reno
that
burned
a
few
homes
october
november-ish
and
remember
that
time
frame
october
novemberish,
because
that's
not
normal
fire
season.
D
D
We
are
heavily
involved
with
evacuations
of
residents
into
california
and
nevada
and
that
coordination
piece
should
that
occur.
Tamarack
fire
burned
in
california,
burned
into
nevada,
creating
some
burn
scars
that
you
saw
from.
I
believe,
casey
talked
about
last
meeting.
Some
of
the
the
reseeding
efforts
were
taken
to
try
to
receive
that
effort.
So
that
way
we
don't
have
flooding
and
debris
flow
in
those
areas:
cal
door
fire.
D
Then
we
see
highway,
50,
snow
closure.
That
was
just
a
little
thing.
You
know
christmas.
We
had
a
nice
white
christmas
in
northern
nevada
and
that
nice
white
christmas
closed
all
of
our
roads
in
and
out
to
california
trapping
all
those
californians
who
come
over
for
tourism
season
for
the
holidays
and
we're
not
unable
to
return.
D
Caltrans
was
able
to
open
highway
50.
All
those
people
jumped
on
highway
50
to
try
to
get
out,
but
caltrans
was
also
checking
for
chains
and
was
having
to
use
snow
control,
so
it
was
very
slow
going.
People
were
trapped
in
lake
tahoe
and
eight
hours
in
traffic.
We
had
to
declare
an
emergency
because
that
night,
another
foot
of
snow
was
going
to
fall
on
them,
along
with
the
cold
weather
and
those
people
were
not
prepared
for
those
conditions.
D
So
I
had
to
declare
a
state
of
emergency
evacuate,
shelter,
those
folks
back
in
october,
northern
nevada
saw
three
inches
of
rain
within
a
24-hour
period.
We
thought
between
at
three
inches
of
rain
in
october
and
then
the
large
snow
event
very
christmas.
The
drought's
over
stephanie
from
the
state
climatologist
bunny,
bishop,
the
state,
floodplain
manager
and
I
were
were
jewless
that
oh,
my
gosh
we're
out
of
the
drought.
This
is
great,
but
we
know
drought's
in
with
floods,
so
we
got
to
start
thinking
about
that.
D
Yet
then
we
saw
all
the
weather
get
turned
off
and
even
though
we've
had
two
significant
weather
events,
we're
still
in
a
pretty
significant
drought
for
the
entire
state
down
the
south.
You
weren't
forgotten
any
of
these
disasters.
Nye
county
had
some
sydney,
infinite,
flash
flooding
that
washed
out
some
state
highways
and
washed
out
part
of
the
town
of
prump
moapa
washed
out
some
state
highways
in
part
of
moapa
all
for
the
monsoon
season
that
we
see
in
the
south.
D
D
I
fought
better
fire
in
november
and
december
and
january
than
during
the
summer
and
a
lot
of
those
fires
we
fought
during
those
months
are
in
our
urban
interface
areas,
where
we're
not
only
losing
homes,
but
then
in
washoe
county
and
to
those
instances
we've
lost
people
as
well
increase
in
severity.
Those
two
fires,
caldor
and
dixie-
burning
over
the
sierra
crest.
D
The
drought
just
continues
to
seem
to
get
worse,
significant
weather
events,
hotter
temperatures,
the
rain,
downpour
events,
three
inches
of
rain
in
northern
nevada
and
24
hours
when
we
only
get
seven
inches
a
year,
significant
event
for
us
and
in
those
snow
events
increase
in
costs.
I
had
to
throw
pandemic
up
there,
but
we
can't
really
use
the
pandemic
as
a
as
a
look
for
the
increase
in
cost.
D
But
when
you
look
at
the
government
accounting
office,
they're,
actually
looking
at
disasters
are
costing
us
more
because
they're
becoming
bigger
and
better,
and
so
we
have
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
turn
down
the
impact
of
these
disasters
over
time
and
the
increase
in
those
exposed?
If
you
look
at
the
state
nevada
in
our
population
in
the
last
few
years
of
where
we
were
and
where
we
are
today,
we're
getting
more
people
coming
to
our
state?
D
D
And
we
do
that
through
our
mitigation
process.
Nevada
is
one
of
16
states
nationally.
That
has
an
enhanced
mitigation
plan.
That
means
that
we
get
better
funding
from
the
federal
government
after
disaster
every
year.
This
federal
government
provides
us
funding
that
our
division
uses.
We
have
a
hazard
mitigation
grant
program
and
then
a
new
program
called
the
building
resistant,
resilient
communities
and
infrastructure
bric.
D
D
We
also
have
hazard
mitigation
funds
from
post
fire
management
assistance
grants.
So
whenever
we
have
a
wildland
fire
that
affects
predominantly
the
urban
interface
area,
we
don't
have
to
declare
disaster.
We
can
ask
for
what's
called
an
fmag,
and
the
regional
administrator
can
approve
that,
rather
than
having
to
go
through
the
process
of
a
local
government.
D
The
division's
role
is
to
coordinate
we
plan
and
collaborate.
We
fund
we
support
and
we're
really
looking
at
those
cascading
impacts
and
dealing
with
that
consequence
management
and
some
of
those
things
moving
forward
that
we're
doing
that
haven't
been
done
before
is
a
state
heat
plan.
We
know
that
temperatures
are
rising.
We
know
that
people
are
becoming
more
exposed
to
higher
temperatures.
D
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
be
able
to
find
out
ways
we
can
buy
down
those
risks
and
we
can
use
hazard
mitigation
to
do
that.
We
can
design
a
heat
plan.
We
can
find
ways
to
reduce
the
impact
of
that
to
our
population
and
one
of
the
ways
we're
doing
that
is
we're
finding
a
study
for
the
city
of
las
vegas
for
a
microgrid
that
would
be
attached
to
cooling
centers.
D
So
that
way,
when
we
do
have
a
high
heat
environment,
the
city
can
find
places
where
they
can
turn
on
cooling
centers
for
people
to
go
to,
but
looking
at.
How
does
that
happen
now?
If,
if
because
it
is
so
hot,
we
lose
power?
Is
that
now
tied
to
a
solar
system?
Is
it
tied
to
something
else
to
make
it
better
we're
working
with
the
university
medical
center
in
las
vegas
on
a
scoping
project
to
give
them
a
solar
panel?
D
That
would
be
able
to
power
the
facility
and
they
can
sell
energy
back
on
good
days,
but
then
also
have
storage
that
way
they
don't
rely
upon
generators
to
fund
their
site
or
to
run
their
site
during
those
crappy
days
when
we
don't
have
power,
because
we
do
have
energy
issues,
and
we
see
that
also
up
here
in
the
north,
when
we
start
looking
at
turning
off
power
on
high
with
risk
while
end
days,
we
and
nv
energy
will
turn
off
power
on
high-risk
power
days
up
in
lake
tahoe
basin
they'll.
D
Do
it
along
the
genoa
foothills?
They
do
it
at
mount
charleston
and
I
believe
they
have
a
location.
Also
in
eastern
nevada
that
they
do
that
as
well
when
the
conditions
hit
right,
and
so
how
do
we
make
sure
that
the
populations
that
are
in
those
areas
have
got
power
when
the
power
company
turns
their
power
off?
How
do
we
make
sure
we
have
fuel
lines
still
coming
over
to
nevada
from
california
when
those
issues
occur
and
the
pumping
stations
get
turned
off?
Those
are
all
that
mitigation
process
that
we
look
at.
D
So
with
that,
I
got
two
last
slides
and
I
wouldn't
be
your
emergency
manager.
If
I
didn't
ask
you,
do
you
and
your
family
have
a
plan
in
the
kit
to
survive
for
72
hours?
Can
you
survive
right
now?
If
we
had
that
no
notice
earthquake,
do
you
have
your
disaster
kit
with
you?
Does
your
family
know
how
to
contact
you?
Do
you
have
all
those
links
in
place
in
order
to
stay
ready?
D
While
they're
up
here
managing
this
incident,
we
had
to
bring
them
up
because
we
were
out
of
firefighters
in
the
north,
but
we
couldn't
send
clark
county
fire
to
the
fire
itself
because
they
didn't
have
wildland
fire
training,
but
they
were
able
to
cover
that
fire
station
with
their
firefighters,
with
the
paramedics,
their
battalion
chiefs,
in
order
to
allow
the
local
responders
to
then
go
to
the
wildland
fire,
so
a
great
avenue
of
cooperation
through
our
state
to
how
do
we
make
tomorrow
better
than
today?
Thank
you.
A
F
Go
ahead.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
got
two
questions
just
a
few
minutes
ago.
I
just
got
a
text
that
said
that
president
biden
just
issued
a
warning
of
of
cyber
warfare
against
the
united
states
and,
and
that
has
come
over
the
phone.
What
are
we
doing
to
prepare
for
that?
I
mean
because
you're
talking
gas
stations,
you're
talking
hospitals,
you're
talking
all
this
stuff.
That
could
happen.
D
So
that
is
the
state
police,
the
indot,
all
those
different
components
thereof,
and
we
talked
through
what
would
happen
if
we
had
these
different
cyber
issues.
We
gave
a
non-classified
brief
on
the
issue
and
did
that
and
then
the
following
week,
we've
actually
met
with
our
local
government
partners
and
our
major
utilities
to
have
a
discussion
about
this
could
happen.
This
is
what
we
know.
D
How
do
we
do
it
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
resilient
through
this
process
and
we're
also
looking
at
what
policy
issues
we
need
to
change
moving
forward,
especially
with
cyber,
because
cyber
is
the
odd
disaster,
and
this
was
hard
for
a
lot
of
people
to
understand.
Is
that
with
an
earthquake
and
cyber
the
end
effects
for
us
and
emergency
manager?
Exactly
the
same,
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
shelter
how
to
evacuate
how
to
defeat
how
to
communicate.
D
D
That
cyber
has
that,
oh
my
gosh,
this
is
really
scary,
really
really
really
scary
type
stuff
and
trying
to
the
end
result
is
the
same
to
what
we
do
every
day
and
that's
what
we
need
to
focus
on,
and
I
know
our
cyber
staff
of
ocdc
sean
ron
meyer
with
the
department
of
public
safety
and
then
bob
denhart
with
eats
they're
working
they're
working
their
fingers
to
bone,
trying
to
make
sure
that
all
the
cyber
folks
are
all
together
and
having
those
discussions.
Those
meetings.
F
Well,
thank
you
and
the
other
question.
I
had
you
you
kind
of
answered.
Some
of
it
seemed
like
we're
having
a
lot
of
increases
more
in
small
earthquakes
across
nevada
and
I've
seen
earthquakes
where
we've
never
had
them
in
rural
nevada
and,
and
there
seem
to
be
more
frequent
all
the
time
it
are
you
guys
seeing
the
same
thing
throughout
the
state.
D
Then
or
similarman
dave
foger
sent
the
record
absolutely
we're.
Seeing
and
that's
the
the
point
of
this
presentation
seems
like
more
things
are
occurring
more
frequently
and
we're
becoming
more
aware
of
them,
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
because
social
media
is
making
us
more
aware
of
the
earthquake
risk,
but
it
seems
as
if
we
are
having
more
of
those
smaller
quakes
on
a
more
routine
basis.
You
know,
we've
had
a
6.0
here
in
northern
nevada.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
fogerson.
It's
been
very
insightful,
two
questions,
one
about
fire
and
then
the
other
one
about
good
old
swan
lake.
What
do
you
do?
You
have
the
data?
I'm
not
expecting
you
to
probably
have
this
say
right
at
your
fingertips,
but
do
we
have
a
general
idea
what
percentage
of
fires
I
know
the
fires?
Last
year
it
was
a
horrible
year.
G
We
dodged
a
bullet
in
the
sense
that
they
weren't
necessarily
in
nevada,
but
certainly
we
suffered
the
consequences
of
those
in
our
quality
of
life
and
and
just
the
the
emotional
toll
it
took
on
a
lot
of
communities.
Do
we
know
what
percentage
of
fires
are
human
caused
on
the
ground
versus
storm?
Lightning,
wind?
That
sort
of
thing.
D
Same
woman
dave
holberson
for
the
record.
I
don't
have
that
information
with
me,
but
I
know
that
our
the
geographic
coordination
center
does
track.
That
and
casey
casey
is
a
state
forester
who
can
get
that
data?
D
For
us
there
is
probably
a
disappropriate
number
of
human
cost
fires
than
naturally
caused
fires,
but
we
do
have
some
kind
of
phenomenon
around
the
northern
nevada
area,
where
we
have
more
contacts
from
lightning
that
actually
make
it
to
the
ground
that
do
cause
an
increase
in
lightning
starts
in
probably
most
areas
outside
the
country
or
outside
the
northern
nevada
area.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
if
you,
if
you
could
get
that
information
to
our
committee,
that'd
be
great,
I
do
think
maybe
director
casey
touched
on
it
in
our
last
hearing,
but
I
didn't
make
any
note.
The
second
question
was:
when
you
mentioned
swan
lake,
I
knew
there
had
been
a
process
to
perhaps
buy
those
homeowners
out
who,
with
the
homes
that
were
affected.
G
D
Assuming
when
dave
fullerson
for
the
record,
I
absolutely
understand-
and
I'm
looking
to
see
because
I
got
the
notes
from
that
this
morning,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
have
that
level
of
detail.
I
know
it
so
it
was
a
600
000
grant
from
the
federal
emergency
management
agency
in
order
to
buy
out
homes.
But
I'd
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
how
many
we
actually
bought,
how
many
were
offered
in
those
other
details.
G
A
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
will
note
that,
in
the
backup
materials
for
casey's
presentation
to
our
committee
at
our
february
meeting,
there
is
a
slide.
I
believe
it's
slide.
A
7
that
has
a
breakdown
of
total
starts
for
wildfires
and
how
many
of
those
are
human
caused,
as
well
as
acres
burned,
and
how
many
of
those
are
human
caused
and
there's
generally
been
usually
lightning
starts
where
the
vast
majority
of
starts
that
is
actually
been
shifting
in
recent
years,
and
often
some
of
the
the
acres
burned
for
on
an
ongoing
basis
have
tended
to
be
human
cause,
so
the
human
ignitions
tend
to
lead
to
more
acres
burned.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
for
all
members
additional
questions
from
the
committee.
A
A
I
I
think
it's
also
you
know
important
to
not
only
understand
that
extreme
heat
can,
you
know,
be
dangerous
to
people,
but
thinking
of
it
at
a
disaster
scale
and
and
understanding
the
the
increased
demands
that
that
puts
on
our
electric
infrastructure
and
making
sure
that
we
have
some
plans
in
place
to
deal
with
it.
I
know
that
we've
had
some
some
scenarios
when
we've
been
asked
to
cut
back
our
energy
use
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
blackouts,
which
could
be
extremely
detrimental
to
folks.
A
So
thinking
about
some
of
those
grid,
resiliency
pieces,
I
think,
is
really
important
to
that
conversation.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
note
that
as
well,
and
thank
you
for
your
for
your
time
and
presentation
to
our
committee
today.
A
A
We
have
members
of
the
partners
for
a
sustainable
nevada
initiative
joining
us
in
carson
city,
which
includes
folks
from
our
division
of
environmental
protection,
as
well
as
some
of
the
stakeholders
involved
in
that
group.
B
Good
afternoon,
chair
watts
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I
am
jeffrey
kinder
deputy
administrator
with
the
nevada
division
of
environmental
protection,
presenting
today
on
waste
management
and
sustainability.
Efforts
in
nevada
within
ndep
is
our
bureau
of
sustainable
materials
management
and
joining
me
today
is
darren
winkelmann
bureau,
chief
and
kayla
alm
sustainability
coordinator.
B
The
bureau
has
several
roles
as
it
relates
to
materials
management.
First,
the
bureau
is
responsible
for
ensuring
safe
management
of
hazardous
waste
by
regulating
its
handling
transportation,
treatment,
storage
and
disposal.
The
bureau
implements
the
provisions
of
the
federal
resource
conservation,
recovery
act
or
rikra.
B
Second,
the
bureau
ensures
the
safe
collection
and
disposal
of
solid
waste
and
third,
but
no
less
important.
The
bureau
encourages
businesses,
institutions
and
individuals
to
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
generated,
participate
in
recycling
programs
and
conserve
natural
resources.
Additionally,
our
team
prepares
the
recycling
and
waste
report
each
biennium
ahead
of
the
legislative
session.
B
B
Thank
you.
Jeff
chairman
watts,
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
darren
winkelmann,
with
the
bureau
of
sustainable
materials
management.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
a
few
minutes
to
talk
to
you
about
the
partners
for
sustainable
nevada.
Several
years
ago,
we
as
an
organization
recognized
an
opportunity
to
redefine
our
philosophy
regarding
waste
in
nevada,
and
our
agency
agency
began
a
shift
from
end-of-life
waste
management
to
an
entire
life
cycle
approach,
also
known
as
sustainable
materials
management.
B
During
this
transition
into
our
strategic
planning
process,
we
received
a
tremendous
amount
of
feedback
regarding
the
lack
of
communication
cohesiveness
relating
to
sustainability
in
nevada.
One
solution
to
overcome
the
patchwork
was
to
create
a
stakeholder
group
where
like-minded
passionate
people
could
discuss
sustainability
challenges
but,
more
importantly,
a
group
that
could
affect
change
within
the
state.
So
we
began
the
process
of
creating
the
partners
for
sustainable
nevada
and
cable
kayla
will
provide
a
little
more
detail
in
a
moment.
B
B
I
I
Several
surveys
were
sent
to
interested
stakeholders
about
the
parameters
of
sustainability
that
they
view
as
important
to
support
and
collaborate
without
within
nevada.
Disturbing
results
were
then
compiled
into
six
working
groups
each
led
by
a
chair
and
co-chair.
The
first
phase
of
the
stakeholder
group
was
to
discuss
in
deeper
detail
the
status
of
their
working
group
topics
and
what
needs
to
happen
to
further
their
objectives.
I
The
work
is
currently
being
compiled
into
a
document
called
the
menu
of
options
that
will
be
published
on
march
31st.
This
document
will
outline
various
ideas
or
options
that
all
sectors
and
industries
can
consider
to
further
their
sustainability
efforts.
The
second
phase
we
will
be
prioritizing
and
implementing
programs
for
the
remainder
of
2022
and
onward.
I
I
I
The
six
working
groups
outlined
on
the
side
are
run
by
a
chair
and
co-chair
who
volunteered
to
be
in
their
position.
After
the
august
kickoff
meeting
represented
are
non-profits
private
businesses
and
governmental
representatives,
which
provide
a
broad
representation
of
opinions
in
each
working
group.
The
education
outreach
group
is
going
to
unite
the
sustainability
sustainability
message
to
audiences.
Around
the
topics
discussed
in
other
working
groups,
the
organics
management
group
will
discuss
and
streamline
the
different
organic
collections,
such
as
yard
and
food
waste
and
promoting
beneficial
end
use
of
this
material.
I
I
This
will
ensure
that
the
mission
statement
of
this
partnership
group
is
met
to
change
the
way
nevada
thinks
about
sustainability,
while
providing
a
united
message
once
the
menu
of
options
is
published
on
march
31st,
the
chairs
and
co-chairs
are
convening
to
prioritize.
What
programs
outlined
in
this
document
need
to
happen
first
and
start
creating
the
baseline
projects
to
elevate
their
focus
areas
once
baseline
projects
are
decided
upon,
project-based
groups
will
be
created
to
coordinate
efforts.
I
We
are
very
grateful
to
have
several
organizations
throughout
nevada
who
have
stepped
up
and
participated
in
ensuring
the
success
on
sustainability
in
nevada,
by
participating
in
the
partners
for
a
sustainable
nevada.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
our
presentation
on
the
great
work
being
accomplished
by
all
the
organizations
statewide
to
unite
the
voice
of
sustainability.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
We
appreciate
it.
One
thing
I
want
to
do
before
I
open
it
up
to
questions
to
see.
I
know
that
we
had
had
some
conversations
with
tina
mudd,
who,
I
believe,
is
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
policy
and
funding
group,
and
so,
if
tina
is,
is
available
and
would
like
to
speak
at
all.
I
wanted
to
provide
her
the
opportunity
to
come
up
and
do
so.
I
I
I
think
the
really
the
benefit
of
this
group
is
that
it's
a
diverse
group
as
kayla
mentioned
business,
industry,
nonprofits
municipalities,
as
well
as
folks
representing
initiatives
in
their
communities,
and
I
think
the
benefit
of
that
is
we're
looking
at
what's
being
done
right
now
and
building
on
what
is
being
done
and
doing
better
before
we
introduce
a
bunch
of
new
things
and
then
on
top
of
that,
we're
also
looking
at
how
we
can
do
things
efficiently
and
make
sure
we
don't
have
unintended
consequences
with
the
things
that
we
propose.
I
So
we
are
looking
to
some
of
our
neighboring
states
and
counties
and
partners
to
see
what's
been
done
well,
and
I
think
staff
has
brought
us
a
bunch
of
ideas
from
other
areas
for
ways
that
we
can
progress
in
a
really
meaningful
way.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
doing
what
they're
doing
for
sustainable
nevada
and
also
including
such
a
diverse.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
and
you
know
I
appreciate
the
the
time
that
you
and
others
have
have
given
to
this
effort.
I
think
it's
important
we've
seen
waste
management
issues,
of
course
come
before
the
legislature
at
various
points
in
time
and
without
saying
anything
about
whether
some
of
those
efforts
are
positive
or
negative.
I
think
often
they've
been
brought
forward
by
kind
of
one
stakeholder
and
then
there's
usually
a
response
to
that.
A
So
I
think
it's
it's
really
helpful
to
to
get
this
broader
conversation
going
among
all
the
different
stakeholders
in
kind
of
waste
management
and
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
comes
out
of
the
process.
A
We
also
appreciate
you
being
flexible
and
presenting
to
this
committee
now
I
understand
that
it's
a
little
bit
early
because
you're
you're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
that
kind
of
menu
of
options
to
be
considered,
and
so
we
look
forward
to
seeing
that
when
it
comes
out
but
really
appreciate
you
briefing
the
committee
on
what's
been
happening
so
far
as
as
well
as
where
things
are
kind
of
looking
in
the
process
moving
forward.
So
with
that,
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
to
members
for
any
questions
that
they
have.
K
Thank
you
for
indulging
me.
I
was
just
curious
about
recycling.
I
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
anecdotal
talk,
at
least
among
my
peers,
that
there's
really
not
a
market
for
purchasing
things
that
are
recycled
and
therefore
a
lot
of
things
that
we
intend
to
be
recycled
or
not
being
recycled,
and
I
I
also
think
that
there's
sort
of
a
we
don't
really
inform
our
consumers
on
what's
recyclable
and
what's
not
in
a
meaningful
way.
K
I
For
the
record,
this
is
kayla
alm,
and
that
is
exactly
excuse
me
why
the
stakeholder
group
really
came
together.
There's
a
lot
of
questions
from
you
know
multiple
people
throughout
the
public,
and
this
is
something
that
the
recycling
working
group
is
going
to
be
working
on
then
eventually
pushing
out
through
the
education
and
outreach
group
to
ensure
that
there
is
a
uniform
and
united
message
going
out
to
all
stakeholders.
K
Just
the
the
first
part
about
is
there
a
market
right
now
for
currently
to
buy?
I
know.
In
the
past
china
had
been
one
of
the
largest
purchasers
of
recycled
material
and
I've
I've.
I
have
heard
that
that's
all,
but
not
happening
anymore,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
address
that
thanks.
I
Absolutely
and
so
recycling
is
dealt
within
most
of
the
private
sector,
so
you
have
the
republic's
waste
managements
and
other
waste
focused
companies
throughout
the
state,
and
this
it's
constantly
shifting
really
we've
been
trying
to
gather
some
more
information
about
where
the
material
is
moving.
So
that
way,
we
can
bring
those
areas
back
to
these
different
working
groups
to
see
how
we
can
better
help
and
suit
nevada's
recycling
infrastructure.
A
You
very
much
senator
scheibel.
B
Thank
you,
chair
watson.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
presentation.
I
am
optimistic
about
this
group.
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
we
are.
You
know,
honing
in
on
some
of
these
really
important
issues
that
nevada
has
struggled
to
address
for
you
know
decades
at
this
point,
including
recycling,
one
of
my
personal
favorites
and
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
one
is
that
I
understand
that
the
menu
of
options
has
not
been
published
yet,
but
it
is
going
to
be
published,
and
so
you
guys
are
sitting
here
with
us
on
march
21st.
B
Can
you
give
us
a
preview
what
some
of
the
projects,
what
some
of
the
options
are,
so
that
we
can
get
a
sense
of
the
scope
that
this
working
group
is
talking
about?
Is
it
going
to
be
we're
going
to
install
signs
that
say,
throw
away
you
know
or
recycle
your
aluminum
cans,
or
are
we
going
to
be
building
a
facility
that
is
able
to
process
aluminum
cans
into
new
aluminum
cans
or
new
products,
and
actually
recycle
those.
I
I
I
Where
are
we
standing
today,
because
we
don't
want
to
again
jump
forward
like
tina
mentioned
earlier,
we
don't
want
any
unintended
consequences,
so
we
need
to
see
where
is
sustainability
within
these
six
different
working
groups
standing
today,
I
think
one
of
the
most
notable
and
exciting
projects
coming
out
is
really
within
our
organics
management
group
they've
been
discussing
a
lot
with
the
the
food
waste
and
yard
waste.
How
are
we
going
to
collect
process
and
transport,
then
that
material
and
then
eventually
utilize
that
end
material?
I
I
We
have
tina
here
with
our
policy
and
funding
team,
and
so
yes,
that
funding
is
a
very
big
portion
of
this
stakeholder
group
and
we
need
to
identify
what
are
some
funding
sources
and
I
think,
even
more
importantly,
where
is
funding
needed
in
order
to
acquire
funding?
We
need
to
see
what
projects
out
there
need
support
moving
forward.
I
Absolutely
great
question:
so
sustainability
is
all-encompassing.
Recycling
is
a
single
part
of
sustainability,
and
so
we're
still
going
to
be
keeping
a
lot
of
the
same
material
on
the
from
the
nevada
recycles
website,
but
we're
going
to
be
amplifying
and
bringing
in
more
topics
to
this
website.
So,
instead
of
just
recycling,
we
can
now
be
discussing
the
organics
management
we
can
be
discussing.
You
know,
like
you
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
funding.
How
are
we
funding
all
of
these
different
projects,
there's
resource
reduction
and
how
we
can
reduce
our
waste
generation?
B
I'll
I'll
move
on
I'll
move
on
from
that
question,
then
my
the
last
question
I
want
to
cover
today
is
about
the
long-term
planning.
I
guess-
and
you
mentioned,
that
the
groups
will
be
coming
back
in
september
for
a
status
update
and
it
sounds
like
in
the
future
for
status
update.
So
what
is
the
mechanism
to
get
these
projects
from
start
to
finish,
as
opposed
to
start
to
inception,
to
never
completed.
I
Again,
a
very
wonderful
question,
one
that
we
have
been
discussing
thinking
about
bringing
in
our
chair
and
co-chairs.
So
you
know
bringing
together
the
stakeholder
group.
We
were
noticing
a
lot
of
those
projects
would
just
like
you
said
they
would
start
up
having
this
wonderful
idea
and
then
just
this
never
really
complete
the
project,
and
so
I
think,
really
by
bringing
in
these
chairs
and
co-chairs
and
stakeholders
at
all
industry
levels,
the
private
nonprofit
municipal
municipality
and
government
levels.
I
This
will
bring
in
all
the
stakeholders
that
are
involved
and
have
a
a
passion
for
these
different
projects
to
ensure
that
we're
going
to
be
meeting
and
completing
the
the
project
proposals
from
beginning
to
end.
So
that
is
something
as
the
stakeholder
group
moves
forward
with
we
are
having,
like
I
said,
the
chair
and
co-chairs
and
other
project
leads
who
are
going
to
be
managing
and
ensuring
that
the
communication
collaboration
continues
throughout
the
process.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
I'd
like
to
just
follow
up
on
that
briefly.
Could
you-
and
I
know
this
is
looking
pretty
far
into
the
future
on
the
process,
and
I
guess
I'll
just
ask
it
a
very
high
level.
Do
you
see
this
as
a
process
that
is
going
to
be
kind
of
an
ongoing
thing
to
some
extent
where
the
this
stakeholder
group
is
going
to
continue
to
have
meetings
on
some
sort
of
regular
basis?
It's
this.
A
You
know,
even
though
there's
kind
of
this
immediate
planning
process,
and
then
I
think
you
discussed
even
how
some
of
that
is
envisioned
moving
forward
into
implementation
kind
of
through
the
end
of
this
year.
Could
you
is
this
something
that
you
plan
on?
You
know
continuing
to
convene
and
gather
feedback
from
on
a
on
a
ongoing
basis
for
the
foreseeable
future.
I
Absolutely
the
status
of
the
the
stakeholder
group
now
we
hope,
to
expand
and
continue
on
really
for
the
for
the
duration
of
nevada
and,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
other
very
successful
stakeholder
groups
that
are
managing
other
portions
of
the
nation
that
are
showing
great
success
and,
in
doing
so,
they've
been
starting
at
these.
These
smaller
kind
of
grass
level
routes
where
we
are
today,
eventually,
you
know
us
as
ndep
if
we
would
like
the
stakeholder
group
to
become
self-sufficient.
I
You
know,
as
darren
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
here
to
provide
that
foundation
to
really
bring
everyone
together,
create
this
stakeholder
group
and
then
in
the
future,
when
the
stakeholder
group
is
ready
and
has
the
buy-in
and
commitment
from
chair
and
co-chairs
and
other
partners.
This
can
now
be
a
a
stand-alone
stakeholder
group.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
yeah.
I
I
just
again
really
appreciate
that
really
appreciate
the
approach
that
looks
at
these
issues
comprehensively.
You
know,
in
terms
of
even
just
expanding
from
recycling,
to
recycle,
reduce
reuse,
so
really
taking
a
comprehensive
look
at
the
waste
stream
as
well
as
organics
composting.
A
You
know
food
waste
reduction,
which
is
separate
from
other
types
of
waste
reduction
and
and
and
really
kind
of
taking
a
a
comprehensive
look
at
at
the
issue.
So
do
we
have
any
members
in
carson
city
who
have
questions
for
our
speakers.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here
enjoyed
the
presentation.
I
really
like
the
idea
of
those
working
groups,
kind
of
a
public
private.
You
know
mix
that's
very
important.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
completely
answer
this,
but
to
follow
up
on
the
recycle
question
selling
off
recycles
recyclables
that
my
colleague
in
the
south
southast
that
there's
not
as
much
of
a
market
anymore,
is
and-
and
I
think
you
mentioned-
that
it's
the
private,
the
private
side-
that's
selling
these
off
offshore.
G
I
That's
a
very
wonderful
question
and
I
think
something
that
tina's
been
touching
on
with
the
policy
side
is:
how
can
we
start
looking
at
what
current
policies
are
in
place
and
creating
barriers
for
sustainability
at
this?
At
this
point,
I
don't
know
right
now,
if
we
have
any
actual
barriers
to
bring
in
those
different
facilities
for
recycling
within
nevada
and
the
nation,
we
do
have
several
facilities
who
are
able
to
process
material
both
in
nevada
and
the
rest
of
the
country.
I
But
I
do
not
believe
that
there
are
at
any
point,
any
any
policy
barriers
we're
trying
to
focus
within
the
policy
and
funding
group
on
incentivizing
these
different
industries
who
can
come
in
and
start
keeping
this
material
in
nevada.
I
think
that's
something
we
can
reduce
the
transportation
of
material,
create
in-state
jobs
for
nevadans.
G
Oh
good
good,
I
appreciate
that
and
then
just
my
final
thing
on
on,
we
talk
about
the
organics
like
we're
talking
about
composting.
I
I
assume-
and
I'm
still
just
learning
about
this,
but
I
do
know
there
was
a
fire
in
spanish
springs
a
few
months
ago
and
that
it
was
really
an
issue
of
air
quality,
and
all
of
that
is
there
a
higher
incidence
of
of
that
sort
of
fire,
and
it's
just
a
smoldering.
It's
a
very,
I
guess
difficult
to
mitigate
it
when
it's
happening
so
are
there
pretty
strict?
G
I
I
think,
as
far
as
preventing
these
fires
is
you
have
these
different
permanent
requirements
from
the
state
and
the
local
health
districts
and
within
that
they
have
to
the
facilities,
have
to
test
for
temperature
at
various
degrees
or
I'm
sorry
intervals,
and
that
should
be
a
lot
of
the
prevention
side.
However,
there
are
you
know
different
pockets
of
materials.
Some
materials
can
generate
different
gases
that
can
get
hotter,
so
it
really
does
lead
to
just
maintenance
on
the
facility
side.
But
it's
a
it's
pretty
rare
for
these
different
fires
to
happen.
A
Thank
you
other
questions
from
our
members
up
north,
although
I
will
just
say
yes,
I
think
it's.
It's
always
interesting
hearing
about
some
of
these
issues,
especially
as
they
approach
larger
scales
again
and
there's
nuances
to
all
of
those,
but
I
have
done
small-scale
at-home
composting
and
I
it's
never
a
combusted,
but
it
is,
I
think,
really
interesting
to
see
the
the
in
the
winter
kind
of
the
steam
coming
off
of
a
compost,
especially
as
you
turn
it,
because
those
microbes
are
at
work.
A
All
right
hearing,
none
at
the
moment,
I
did
want
to
ask
about
a
couple
of
things,
one
just
to
put
a
finer
point
on.
I
know
there
were
some
questions
around
financing
and
policy
and
there's
a
financing
and
policy
work
group,
that's
going
to
kind
of,
I
think,
bring
some
ideas,
whether
it's
in
legislation
or
regulation
or
or
other
avenues,
but
when
it
comes
to
financing
some
of
these,
I
guess
I'm
just
looking
for
some
clarification
that
there
could
be
a
range
of
options
and
opportunities.
A
B
Chairman,
thank
you.
This
is
darren
winkelmann
for
the
record.
You
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
and
that
was
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
ideas
of
creating.
This
partnership
was
to
bring
together
both
private
and
public,
so
we
could
start
to
really
address
some
of
those
issues
or
how
are
we
going
to
fund
some
of
these
larger
projects
that
are
coming
down?
How
do
we
get
maybe
an
anaerobic
digester
in
the
state
waste
energy
facilities
in
the
state?
Some
of
those
topics
that
may
or
may
not
be
good.
B
I'm
not
saying
we
want
either
one
of
those,
but
just
those
discussions
around.
How
do
we
begin
to
look
at
that
and
we
had
to
have
that
private
partnership
to
do
that,
and
I
think
that's
where
this
group
is
moving
forward
very
very
quickly
and
we'll
become
hopefully
with
some
of
those
recommendations
either
through
the
next
session
or
or
in
some
interval
of
that,
so
we're
headed
that
direction
when
it's
where
we
hope
we
can
go.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
my
last
question,
which
I
I
also
you
know
I'm
familiar
with,
because
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
in
on
a
couple
of
the
meetings
of
the
partners.
A
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
solid
waste
management
plan
that
the
division
has
and
the
process
of
updating
it
and
to
what
extent
some
of
these
broader
sustainability
principles
may
be
incorporated
into
that
solid
waste
management
plan,
which
I
think
is
a
little
bit
narrower,
or
at
least
traditionally
has
been.
B
For
the
record
darren
winkelmann
thanks
for
that
question
as
well,
we
are
in
that
process.
That
plan
is
due
every
five
years
and
this
year
september
of
22.
I
believe
so.
We
have
opened
up
that
plan
to
begin
to
look
at
solid
waste
to
get
in
nevada,
and
we,
when
we
opened
up
the
plan,
we
said,
let's
take
a
look.
We
we
believe
in
all
honesty
that
the
plan
is
pretty
weak
and
it
talks
really
it's
a
narrow
focus
plan
of
just
solid
waste
in
nevada.
B
We
wanted
to
open
that
up
in
sustainability
and
really
begin
to
look
at,
like
we
said
earlier
on
kind
of
this
holistic
approach
of
waste
management
within
this
state.
So
we
are
kind
of
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
term
knee
deep
in
that
process,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
working
on
the
on
the
group
to
to
bring
that
plan
forward.
B
We
don't
have
a
deadline
right
now
of
when
that's
going
to
be,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
year,
is
what
we're
shooting
for,
but
that's
just
kind
of
our
goal
and
yeah.
It's
exciting
time,
because
we've
have
a
great
opportunity
to
really
to
look
at
the
plan
and
kind
of
look
again
holistically
for
the
state.
A
A
I
think
this
is
another
opportunity
to
get
the
word
out
about
it
to
the
community
for
anybody
who
would
like
to
participate,
who
isn't
already,
and
you
know,
to
help
shape
some
of
the
policies
and
initiatives
that
are
going
to
be
affecting
kind
of
our
waste
management
strategy
in
the
state.
A
So
we
really
look
forward
to
seeing
the
menu
of
options
that
comes
forth
as
well
as
some
of
the
initiatives
that
are
undertaken
by
by
the
partners
moving
forward
and
look
to
yeah
evaluating
any
options
that
relate
to
the
legislature
in
you
know,
addressing
supporting
some
of
these
things
or
even
just
looking
again
at
how
how
our
state
addresses
them
from
a
fundamental
planning
perspective
to
make
sure
it's
a
little
bit
more
holistic.
So
members
any
last
questions.
B
They,
we
have
six
chairs
and
six
co-chairs
that
are
running
these
meetings,
making
it
work
trying
to
bring
all
the
issues
forward,
trying
to
corral
a
lot
of
different
people,
and
so
they
really
deserve
the
credit
and
the
people
that
have
come
as
stakeholder
members
deserve
all
the
credit
we're
just
here
to
make
sure
it
works
and
it
moves
forward
with
them
and
and
provide
that
support.
So
again,
thank
those
guys
for
really
truly
making
it
work.
A
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that,
and
yes,
we
definitely
appreciate
all
those
who
have
been
involved
in
this
process,
but
I
do
want
to
to
recognize
the
division
as
well
for
for
bringing
this
together
again,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
benefit
from
undertaking
this
process
and
getting
such
a
diverse
group
of
people
together
to
talk
about
these
issues
at
such
a
kind
of
broad
and
interconnected
level,
so
glad
that
we're
able
to
get
that
information
out
again
encourage
anyone
who's
interested
in
reaching
out
to
the
division
to
join
the
partners
if
they
have
not
already,
and
thank
you
again
for
your
presentation
to
the
committee
today,
we
very
much
appreciate
it
so
with
that
we
have
arrived
at
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
for
today,
which
is
our
second
period
for
public
comment
again
for
those
wishing
to
call
in
and
provide
public
comment,
please
dial,
669-900-6833.
A
A
One
of
the
benefits
of
having
all
the
plexiglass
put
in
in
the
legislature
is,
I
can
also
see
when
people
are
approaching.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
patrick
donnelly.
I'm
great
basin
director
with
the
center
for
biological
diversity,
we're
in
the
worst
drought
and
recorded
history
in
the
southwest.
So
when
the
state's
top
water
official
comes
to
you
and
says
we
are
badly
under
resourced
that
should
qualify
as
an
emergency
state
engineers.
Pay
rates
are
not
comparable
with
private
industry
and
during
the
current
employment
upheaval
they
have
lost
substantial
staff.
You
can
see
this
playing
out
in
their
operations.
B
For
instance,
new
water
right
applications
aren't
being
scanned
and
uploaded
to
the
dwr
website
in
a
timely
fashion.
You
may
know
your
neighbor
just
applied
for
a
whole
bunch
of
water,
but
you
can't
see
the
application
to
know
whether
or
how
to
protest.
It
state
engineer's
office
has
always
been
under
resources,
be
under-resourced,
but
there's
concern
that
it
could
be
verging
on
dysfunction.
Currently,
while
this
committee
is
not
a
money
committee,
member
should
take
urgent
action
to
ensure
the
state
engineer
has
the
resources
he
needs
at
this
time
of
urgent
need.
B
We
also
desperately
need
the
one-time
allocation
for
basin
budgets.
We
are
using
perennial
yield
numbers
from
a
different
time
in
water
science
and
a
different
climate.
Epic
data
presented
in
the
lower
white
river
flow
system
proceedings
show
that
in
some
aquifers
in
the
mojave
desert
it
turns
out
there's
functionally
zero
recharge,
except
in
the
most
exceptionally
wet
years.
We're
using
a
hydrologic
bottle
of
water
out.
That's
based
on
science
derived
in
wet
places
turns
out
most
of
the
groundwater.
People
pump
in
nevada
fell
as
precipitation
decades
centuries
or
millennia
ago.
B
Reflective
of
a
different
climate
regime.
Mr
sullivan,
was
talking
about
over
allocated.
We
don't
even
know
which
basins
are
over
allocated,
it's
probably
most
of
them.
We
need
to
fund
that
science,
but
the
state
engineer
also
needs
to
make
the
tough
choices
we
heard.
Mr
sullivan
say
we
try
not
to
be
in
the
business
of
taking
anything
away,
but
how
could
that
be
in
a
state
with
widespread
over
allocation
of
groundwater
resources?
How
can
we
possibly
balance
the
books
if
the
state
engine
take
anything
away?
B
We
heard
curtailment
by
priority
described
as
draconian,
but
why
should
it
be?
If
someone
at
the
end
of
the
line
is
pumping
water?
That
just
isn't
there
they
should
lose
that
water
right.
The
answer
isn't
to
mess
around
with
the
law
to
allow
gimmicks
like
water
markets
if
the
pumps
need
to
be
shut
down,
shut
them
down.
B
B
A
Thank
you
chair.
The
line
is
open
and
working,
but
there
are
no
other
callers
wishing
to
offer
public
comment
at
this
time
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
members
for
your
time
and
attention.
We
got
a
nice
four
hour
meeting
in
which
is
exactly
kind
of
what
I
was
aiming
for.
So
folks,
can
we
powered
through
and
folks,
can
go
and
get
lunch
and
get
about
their
day.
A
Last
thing
that
I
wanted
to
remind
everyone
of
our
next
meeting
as
the
full
committee
joint
standing
committee
will
be
on
thursday
june
16th,
and
that
is
planned
to
be
a
joint
meeting
with
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
health
and
human
services
to
look
at
some
of
the
health
impacts
related
to
climate
and
environmental
issues,
so
a
special
joint
joint
meeting.
A
So
with
that
again,
I
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
Thank
everyone
who
was
able
to
come
and
participate
in
person,
it's
good
to
have
you
back
to
full
hybrid
meetings
and
we're
glad
to
welcome
participation
in
any
form
and
with
that
this
meeting
is
adjourned.