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A
Good
morning,
everybody
I
will
call
this
meeting
of
the
senate
judiciary
senate
the
interim
joint
judiciary
committee
to
order,
I
think,
we're
going
to
start
in
a
subcommittee
today
because
we
don't
have
enough
members
here
right
at
9
10
to
make
a
quorum.
But
I
don't
want
to
keep
our
presenters
waiting
and
I
know
that
our
members
who
are
running
late
or
have
other
obligations
will
catch
up
when
they
come
in
or
after
today's
meeting
they
will
go
back
and
watch
whatever
presentations
they
miss.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
take
the
role.
A
So
we
know
who's
here
and
then,
when
we
have
a
quorum
I'll,
just
take
a
brief
pause
in
our
proceedings
to
go
ahead
and
end
the
subcommittee
meeting
and
start
the
committee
meeting
and
take
roll
again.
So
if
our
esteemed
secretary
would
please
take
the
role.
D
A
All
right
we
met,
we
met
quorum
with
the
addition
of
our
surprise
online
participant,
assemblywoman
marzola.
Thank
you
for
helping
us
meet
quorum
today,
so
we
are
gonna,
go
ahead
and
start
off
the
committee
meeting.
There
may
be
other
members
joining
us
later
and
I
would
ask
the
secretary
just
to
mark
them
present
as
they
arrive
with.
That
being
said,
we
are
going
to
move
into
our
first
agenda
item
after
just
a
brief
little
bit
of
housekeeping.
A
You
guys
are
probably
getting
sick
of
hearing
me
say
this,
but
our
meetings
are
long.
We
will
try
to
take
a
break
towards
the
middle
for
lunch.
I'll
try
to
get.
Let
you
guys
know
when
that's
going
to
be
in
advance.
A
If
any
of
the
presenters
have
time
constraints
need
to
go
before
lunch
after
lunch,
please
let
me
know
we
will
try
to
accommodate
that
speaking
of
presentations,
if
you're
a
presenter
today
and
your
presentation
has
not
already
been
provided
to
the
committee
staff,
I'm
looking
at
you
dps,
post
and
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
associations,
you
need
to
get
those
to
our
staff
asap
because
we've
not
received
them
or
maybe
you
don't
have
powerpoints
and
that's
fine
too.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
everybody's
able
to
view
them
and
see
them
if
you
are
planning
to
present
anything
with
that,
we
will
move
into
our
public
comment
and
I'll
start
with
anybody
here
in
las
vegas
wishing
to
make
public
comment
in
person.
You'll
have
two
minutes
per
person.
A
I
don't
see
anybody.
Oh
I
do
see
somebody
coming
up
to
the
table.
If
you're
new
to
our
party,
you
might
not
know
that
you
have
to
hit
the
microphone
button
in
front
of
you
so
that
the
mic
will
turn
on
and
your
comments
will
be
recorded,
just
state
your
name
when
you
begin
and
then
turn
off
the
mic.
When
you're
finished.
E
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
john
etzel
executive
director
for
boys,
town
nevada
here
in
las
vegas,
a
non-profit
that
does
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
the
wraparound
services
side,
and
so
testimony
today
is
in
regards
to
these
summary
evictions
and
the
impact
that
that
we're,
seeing
as
a
provider
who
is
working
with
families
who
have
already
experiencing
some
some
challenges.
E
Folks
that
are
coming
to
us
with
either
some
child
abuse
or
neglect
some
potential
djj
involvement,
and
what
we've
seen
so
far
in
in
2022
is
a
higher
number
of
what
we
consider
closing
cases
and
some
of
those
closing
cases
are
coming
from
families
who
have
experienced
summary
evictions
given
seven
days
notice,
and
there
are
not
nearly
enough
available
options
for
housing
types
here
in
las
vegas
right
now,
and
these
families
are
then
already
with
some
challenges
with
boys
town
working
to
support
them
to
get
back
on
their
feet
being
served
with
these
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
having
to
make
decisions
of.
E
E
You
know
these
families
up
and
right
now,
there's
simply
just
not
enough
of
those
opportunities
for
these
families
and
they're
being
forced
to
to
be
in
situations
that
we
don't
want
these
families
to
be
in
and
oftentimes
end
up,
leaving
the
city
because
they're
they're,
looking
elsewhere,
where
they've
got
additional
options
for
better
housing,
so
boyce
sound
wants
to
be
on
the
record
for
supporting
a
moratorium
or
a
pause
on
summary
evictions
in
total
because
of
the
negative
impact
that
it's
having
on
our
most
vulnerable
populations.
A
F
F
Hi,
my
name
is
james
bean,
I'm
retired,
on
social
security.
My
brother
and
I
moved
here
from
los
angeles
three
years
ago
and
at
the
time
we
moved
you
could
not
find
a
single
apartment
in
los
angeles,
for
less
than
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
Rents
have
risen
significantly
since
then.
F
See
in
los
angeles,
you
have
massive
tent
cities
and
working
people
living
in
their
cars
because
they
can't
afford
an
apartment.
Inaction
has
led
to
a
housing
crisis
there.
F
When
we
moved
to
las
vegas,
we
were
able
to
afford
a
two-bedroom
two-bath
apartment
for
about
900
a
month.
This
was
affordable
on
our
combined
social
security
incomes.
My
brother
was
even
able
to
buy
a
car,
then
the
pandemic
hit,
and
about
the
same
time
I
had
some
health
setbacks
not
related
to
covid.
F
When
the
moratorium
ended,
rent
prices
started
going
through
the
roof
after
two
years
of
paying
our
rent
on
time
never
late.
They
hit
us
with
a
lease
renewal
that
included
a
60
increase.
If
we
had
opted
month
to
month,
our
rent
would
have
doubled.
F
F
F
I
mean
if
this
is
what
you
want.
Look
at
los
angeles,
there's,
sprawling
tent
cities.
There's
people
living
in
their
cars
rising
crime
as
working
people
have
no
place
to
go.
Nothing
must
do
all
of
this
to
protect
the
rights
of
landlords.
A
F
My
name
is
angel
ascano,
I'm
here
representing
somos
voltantes
somos
potantis
is
a
latino-led
latino-focused
organization
aimed
at
engaging
and
empowering
latinos
to
bring
prosperity
and
hope
you
know
in
our
communities.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
on
the
summary
evictions.
F
F
It's
important
to
know
to
note
that
undocumented
immigrants
face
considerably
higher
risks
due
to
language
barriers,
research
barriers
and
the
potential
threat
of
deportation
from
coercive
landlords
who
put
profit
over
the
lives
of
latino
and
immigrant
families
across
the
valley.
It
is
fact
that
40
percent
of
nevadans
are
renters
and
of
those
40
percent.
Two-Thirds
are
people
of
color.
Ending
summary
evictions
will
give
black
and
brown
families
a
chance
to
contact
community
resources,
translate
their
notices
and
a
fighting
chance
to
maintain
some
semblance
of
security.
F
Just
please
consider
you
know
my
comments
and
any
other
testimonies
when
making.
A
A
H
My
name
is
heather
matthews
and
I
moved
to
carson
city
from
reno.
A
few
years
ago
I
bought
an
rv
so
that
I
would
have
more
choice
in
my
housing
I
moved
into
camp
in
town
in
carson
city
and
from
the
beginning
I
had
my
rv
rammed
into
my
rv,
was
broken
into
multiple
times
and
there's
been
two
times
where
somebody
deliberately
has
run
their
diesel
truck
for
up
to
45
minutes
at
a
time
causing
my
allergic
condition,
a
lot
of
distress.
H
I
asked
the
owner
ivan
lapierre
to
do
something
about
it.
He
didn't
handle
it
adequately
as
he
didn't
all
these
other
times.
I
believe
it
has
to
do
with
a
lawsuit
that
I
had
going
with
california
state
university,
involving
the
publishing
of
a
book
that
they
were
interfering
with.
It
went
all
the
way
to
the
united
states
supreme
court
and
hasn't
seen
the
inside
of
a
courtroom,
because
I
can't
afford
a
lawyer,
which
I
don't
think
is
just
due
process.
H
H
I
don't
think
this
is
fair
to
just
give
a
senior
citizen
a
no-cause
eviction
and
put
them
out
necessarily
into
the
street
or
have
trouble
finding
affordable
housing.
I
think
that
nevada
should
put
forth
just
cause
that
you
have
to
give
a
reason
and
a
bona
fide
reason,
especially
for
seniors,
to
try
to
evict
somebody,
because
it's
a
lot
harder
for
seniors
to
find
affordable
housing
and
especially
to
find
another
rv
park
to
move
into.
H
I
had
two
situations
already
in
reno,
where
funny
things
started
happening
and
I
believe
they're
taking
bribes
at
camp
in
town
from
california
state
university,
and
there
has
not
been
investigation,
even
though
I've
written
to
all
kinds
of
officials
about
this,
including
governor
sislek
and
the
nevada
supreme
court,
of
which
I
didn't
get
an
attorney
either
to
represent
this.
Oh,
I
just
hope
that
there
can
be,
as
I
mentioned,
just
cause
and
a
moratorium
on
no-cause
evictions.
H
I
I
have
developed
a
program
called
the
emergency
eviction
prevention
program
in
northern
nevada,
and
that
has
successfully
provided
services
to
hundreds
of
tenants
and
landlords
regarding
evictions
and
crisis
relocations.
On
behalf
of
the
reno
housing
authority,
we
are
a
unique
program
that
utilizes
many
techniques
and
do
not
hold
any
funding
source
of
our
own
and
our
motto
is
to
obtain,
retain
or
sustain
permanent
housing.
I
Unlike
any
other
eviction
program
out
there,
we
do
not
just
pay
someone's,
rent
or
guide
them
to
legal
consultation
going
into
our
second
year
with
rha.
We
have
a
really
seen
the
impact
and
an
eviction
can
have
on
an
individual
and
a
family.
So
let
me
share
a
story
with
you
regarding
a
very,
very
real
eviction
for
privacy
reasons,
we'll
just
call
her.
I
Sarah
eepan
was
alert
alerted
to
a
lockout
by
a
compassionate
officer
who
knew
that
sarah
needed
resources
other
than
jail
when
she
was
refused
for
she
refused
to
leave
her
apartment,
which
led
to
trespassing
in
her
arrest.
She
was
able
to
live
independently,
but
with
a
but
was
incapable
of
understanding
her
tenancy
rights,
let
alone
due
process.
Sarah
became
catatonic
in
our
jail
and
started
to
exhibit
extreme
distress.
I
She
would
not
engage
staff
and
would
not
eat
and
seeing
this
rapid
decline,
the
sheriff's
department
transported
sarah
to
the
hospital
for
immediate
care,
and
let
me
tell
you
that
the
body
follows
the
mind
and
sarah
has
never
recovered
after
being
hospitalized
and
she's
no
longer
with
us.
I
am
not
here
to
fight
against
evictions
or
say
that
they
are
unnecessary
because
they
are
and
we
cannot
change
the
business
of
contracted
housing,
but
you
all
hold
the
power
to
change
the
way
that
it
is
done.
I
I
am
proud
to
say
that
there
is
a
solution,
and
this
is
in
the
form
of
what
we
call
an
eviction
evaluator
when
a
landlord
files,
a
notice.
It
is
at
that
moment
that
a
trigger
will
be
available.
Excuse
me,
when
a
landlord
files
a
notice.
It
is
at
that
moment
that
it
will
trigger
an
evaluator
and
that
evaluator
will
be
notified
and
within
48
hours,
that
tenant
will
be
contacted
and
an
assessment
will
be
conducted
to
evaluate
the
situation
surrounding
the
reason
for
the
eviction.
I
This
will
work
simultaneously
to
the
already
existing
procedures
as
to
avoid
disruption
to
the
flow
of
due
process.
This
can
lead
to
mediation,
resources
or
crisis
relocation
all
which
give
stronger
tenant
rights
and
options
for
eviction
diversion
an
evaluator
can
evade
homelessness
and
save
taxpayers
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
each
year.
Statistics
show
that
keeping
a
family
in
their
home
saves
taxpayers
approximately
seventy
thousand
dollars
per
year
in
shelter
cost.
Therefore,
eviction
prevention
and
changing
the
process
with
a
complimentary
step
is
a
solution.
I
think
that
democrats
and
republicans
can
all
agree
on.
I
I
In
addition
to
the
social
impacts,
evictions
lead
to
increased
government
spending
affecting
capital
budgets,
causing
reduced
expenditures
on
other
important
programs
with
data
and
feedback
from
many
of
our
partners.
We
believe
that
adopting
proactive
interventions
to
avoid
addictions
is
more
psychologically
beneficial
and
cost
effective,
and
so
I
leave
you
today
with
a
seed
that
I'm
willing
to
help
any
of
you
grow
and
welcome
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
and
thank
you
and
have
a
good
day.
A
D
J
Good
morning,
chair
schaible
and
members
of
the
committee
tonya
brown
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent
on
behalf
of
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent.
We
are
submitting
our
solicitation
of
recommendations
to
this
committee.
We
ask
that
you,
please
accept
our
recommendations
for
your
consideration.
J
I
previously
provided,
I
believe,
in
march,
on
recommendations,
and
I
have
already
resubmitted
them
again.
There
are
four
recommendations.
One
is
a
petition
for
factual
innocence
posthumously.
This
will
give
the
families
the
opportunity
to
continue
forward
where
their
loved
ones
have
left
off
due
to
their
untimely
death.
J
I
mean
sorry,
four
would
be
compensation
for
those
loved
ones
and
the
families
they've
left
behind.
Thank
you
and
have
a
wonderful
day.
F
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
hello.
Committee
members.
My
name
is
nathan
noble.
I
am
a
student
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno,
I'm
a
senator
for
the
cultural
liberal
arts
and
for
the
past
months
of
november
and
october
of
2021,
I
lived
without
a
home,
I'm
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
the
experience
of
not
having
a
place
to
live,
because
I
lived
precariously
on
the
goodwill
of
my
connections
and
some
nights.
I
just
did
not
know
where
to
go.
Everything
became
more
difficult.
K
My
physical
and
mental
health
took
sharp
decline
and,
quite
frankly,
I
am
far
from
the
only
one
who
has
had
this
experience.
I
was
lucky
that
for
me
it
was
temporary
for
others.
This
reality
is
permanent
once
they
are
evicted
right
now.
The
university's
on
campus
housing
prices
are
up
almost
27
over
the
past
decade
and
off-campus.
Rent
prices
are
an
all-time
high.
K
This
has
happened
is
the
same
people
who
constantly
talk
about
education
and
students
stand
idly
by
while
we
are
denied
the
most
basic
resources
that
we
need
to
learn.
This
is
why
this
is
a
student
issue
too.
It's
no
wonder
that
so
many
of
us
have
to
choose
between
paying
tuition
and
paying
for
a
roof
over
our
heads,
some
of
us
couchsurf,
some
of
us
live
in
our
cars.
Some
of
us
don't
have
those
options
or
anywhere
else
to
go.
K
K
There
have
been
many
solutions
that
have
and
will
be
mentioned,
but
are
any
of
them
free.
No,
of
course
not.
Nothing
is
free,
but
instead
of
thinking
about
cost
as
a
burden,
I
implore
you
to
think
of
it
as
an
investment
in
students
like
me,
in
the
future
of
nevada,
because
if
you
do
nothing,
this
problem
cannot
go
away.
K
You
can't
make
unhoused
people
disappear,
policing
cannot
solve
homelessness,
only
affordable
housing
does
so
today.
I
ask
you
to
please
do
something
about
the
eviction
crisis.
That's
happening,
because
this
is
a
crisis
not
of
the
homeless,
but
of
the
system.
That
is
failing
them
by
imploring
you
now
for
the
strength
of
our
state
and
the
lives
of
the
people
that
you
are
elected
to
serve.
Please
address
this
crisis
now.
Thank
you.
I
yield
the
floor.
L
L
Right,
thank
you
again.
A
marina
city
council
member
covering
the
area
generally
moana
to
mount
rose
highway,
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
three
quick
examples
of
the
issues
we
are
facing.
As
council
members,
one
is
an
example
of
a
very
nice
well-established
apartment,
complex
established
in
the
70s
a
90
year
old
woman
reached
out
to
me.
She
was
facing
a
thousand
dollar
increase,
which
is
a
hundred
percent
increase.
L
I
reached
out
to
the
nevada
apartment
association,
susan
vasquez,
who
was
able
to
help
me
speak
to
the
portfolio
manager
and
I
was
able
to
negotiate.
Instead
of
a
thousand
dollar
increase
a
350
increase.
I
think
what
this
says
is
that
there
is
room
to
move
within
this
price
increases,
but
she
could
not
afford
it.
Obviously
she
had
no
additional
350
or
a
thousand
dollars.
Second
example:
I
am
working
with
a
group
of
residents
who
are
seniors
had
been
seniors
met
with
me
called
me.
L
A
year
ago
I
put
together
a
meeting
with
nevada
legal
services,
washoe
legal
services,
reno
housing
authority
and
reno
staff.
We
looked
at
all
of
the
options.
They
were
very
worried
that
they
would
be
evicted
with
the
new
owner
a
year
went
by
and
slowly
evictions
began
to
come
currently
they're
sitting
in
a
situation
where
many
of
them
are
receiving
eviction
notices
so
that
the
new
owner
can
rehab,
although
in
some
cases
the
apartments
have
already
been
rehabbed
and
they
are
then
looking
at
the
need
to
re-qualify
with
a
seventy
percent
increase.
L
An
example
is
eleven
hundred
dollars
today,
going
to
seventeen
hundred
and
sixty
dollars,
a
six
hundred
and
seventy
dollar
increase
for
these
seniors
bottom
line.
Many
of
them
cannot
do
it
and
they
are
moving
out.
Finally,
I
want
to
give
you
the
example
of
an
affordable
brand.
New
three-year-old
senior
housing
project
folks
moved
in
they
established
the
rents
some
qualified
for
section
eight,
however,
to
you
know,
right
now,
they're
receiving
rent
increases
that
range
from
a
hundred
to
two
hundred
dollars.
L
I
was
surprised
to
find
out
that
subsidized
housing
can
have
rent
increases
based
on
the
amount
that
hud
says.
The
ami
has
changed.
Reno
has
increasing
pay
so
that
the
average
income
is
rising,
and
so
that
gets
translated
to
these
seniors,
and
so
finally,
I
have
some
recommendations.
L
One
of
my
recommendations
would
be
that
people
that
are
in
subsidized
housing,
which
is
money
both
from
the
federal
government
and
the
state
through
the
home
funds.
Perhaps
we
should
be
looking
at
longer
leases
so
that
rent
increases,
if
if
they
are
justified,
would
come
at
a
later
term,
not
within
one
year
of
moving
in
and
secondly,
perhaps
there
should
be
limits
on
those
rent
increases.
L
These
folks
have
been
getting
small
increases
each
year
and
now
they're,
looking
at
average
rent
increase
of
about
150
dollars,
which
many
of
them
have
already
had
to
turn
in
their
notice.
They
cannot
handle
that.
So
I
am
counting
on
you
legislature.
I
know
you're
in
the
same
elected
position.
I
am.
L
There
are
no
easy
answers,
but
I
am
telling
you
that
it
starts
right
here
on
the
ground
floor
right
at
your
cities,
right
at
your
counties
where
we
are
being
asked
to
help
individuals,
and
I
really
think
that
we
need
a
answer
at
the
state
level.
Some
process
improvements,
so
thank
you
for
hearing.
I
work
a
lot
with
farrah
downey,
who
you
heard
earlier
she's
a
phenomenal
advocate
for
seniors,
but
again
she
is
one
person.
I
am
one
person.
We
cannot
do
this
one
by
one.
L
D
in
2017,
the
nevada
supreme
court
conducted
a
civil
legal
needs
study
and
the
data
compiled
did
not
even
include
housing.
As
a
top
five
issue
for
older
adults,
the
report
outlined
that
the
access
to
justice
barrier
in
nevada
continues
to
remain
high,
with
76
of
the
needs
going
unmet
as
low-income
nevadans
and
older
adults
fight
to
protect
their
families
and
their
homes
without
legal
help.
D
Now
in
2022,
housing
continues
to
be
our
largest
service
type
across
the
state,
with
upwards
of
30
000
evictions
filed
last
year
from
july
2002
to
march
of
this
year.
Our
nevada
2-1-1
program,
which
connects
people
to
services
across
the
state
had
over
75
000.
Contacts
for
housing
and
shelter
needs
older
adults
and
persons
with
disabilities
are
disproportionately
impacted
by
evictions
and
represent
the
fastest
growing
segment
of
the
homeless
population,
with
nearly
half
of
all
older
homeless
people
becoming
homeless.
D
For
the
first
time
after
age
50.,
the
latest
data
from
nevada's
2021
elders
count,
which
is
a
partnership
between
the
university
of
nevada,
reno,
school
of
medicine.
The
state
of
nevada,
aging,
disability
services,
division
and
the
office
of
data
analytics
indicates
that
in
northern
nevada,
almost
16
of
children
live
with
their
grandparents
and
in
southern
nevada.
That
number
rises
to
75.
D
D
Our
programs
have
had
many
families
affected
by
housing,
instability
and
eviction
that
are
moving
from
motel
to
motel
or
couch
surfing,
and
it
has
negatively
impacted
the
continuity
and
efficacy
of
the
services
for
these
children
for
seniors
and
persons
with
disabilities.
Housing
and
security
can
have
a
devastating
effect
from
which
they
may
never
recover.
They
face
loss
of
access
to
necessary
medication.
Access
to
health
care
access
to
important
documentation,
and
they
are
also
at
higher
risk
of
being
hospitalized
and
subsequently
institutionalized.
D
D
F
F
F
Thanks
to
the
support
of
making
work
nevada,
I
was
able
to
file
an
answer
and
because
of
ab46
I
was
able
to
stay
my
eviction
with
my
spending
checks
application,
but
not
every
person
was
so
lucky
to
get
the
support.
I
know
what
to
do
without
making
work
nevada.
I
would
not
have
been
able
to
navigate
this
process.
F
F
D
Hello
caller
with
the
last
digits,
672
you're
unmuted,
and
they
begin.
Thank
you,
hello.
Community
members.
I
am
a
social
worker
in
las
vegas
that
assists
both
seniors
and
disabled
individuals,
who
are
either
receiving
in-home
services
to
remain
independently
within
their
homes,
or
they
may
be
in
the
process
of
discharging
from
a
long-term
care
setting.
I
would
like
to
share
the
experiences
of
some
of
my
clients,
as
it
relates
to
summary
evictions.
D
D
K
Over
the
last
year,
they
only
rose
raised
the
rent,
approximately
a
hundred
dollars
since.
F
F
F
Have
more
power
so
and
of
course
that
involves
changing
the
constitution
but
give
them
more
powers
where
they
have
more
control
over
the
cities
and
counties.
So
we
can
move
forward
and
do
something
not
only
for
the
seniors
but
the
residents
in
general.
This
is
a
problem
again
you're,
either
chasing.
J
J
The
application
process
and
rental
and
utility
assistance
programs
are
very
lengthy
and
unsuccessful
in
vegas,
it's
very
hard
to
to
get
the
assistance
that
you
need
in
a
timely
manner
and
a
lot
of
times.
I
would
go
to
certain
places
and
I
would
leave
in
tears
and
I
was
able
to
overcome
many
obstacles
and
maintain
my
finances,
but
I've
had
such
horrific
experiences,
so
I
was
given
an
eviction
notice
in
two
days
I
had
to
leave.
I
had
never
experienced
anything
like
that.
J
I
didn't,
I
wasn't
even
off
to
go
to
court
and
I
was
forced
to
move
to
a
much
cheaper
in
a
much
less
solid
place
and
every
month
I
feel
fear
of
not
being
able
to
pay
my
rent,
because
it's
a
slum,
lord
housing
complex
and
I
fear
of
not
being
able
to
pay
my
rent
every
month
that
I
would
be
unhoused.
I
work
with
a
lot
of
different
organizations
that
fight
for
rights.
K
J
D
L
L
I
recently
lost
my
housing
earlier
this
season
to
family
from
california
who
purchased
our
home
so
that
they
could
turn
it
into
an
airbnb,
so
they
didn't
have
to
pay
to
vacation
when
they
come
to
visit.
I
live
in
this
community.
I
work
for
a
non-profit
farm
as
a
farmer,
and
I
cannot
afford
to
live
in
this
town.
L
We
do
not
have
the
appropriate
services
to
address
homelessness
now
and
we
absolutely
cannot
afford
to
increase
population
by
unnecessary
means
such
as
these
eviction
processes.
I
encourage
you
to
work
with
local
policy
makers
and
local
elected
officials,
as
well
as
the
community
who's
experiencing
these
kinds
of
traumas
to
come
up
with
legislative
policy
that
can
support
everyone
in
our
community.
We
deserve
to
have
access
to
housing.
It
is
a
basic
human
right
for.
J
Good
morning
emory
grant
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent.
I
am
requesting
to
support
our
recommendations
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent,
particularly
our
petition
for
factual
innocence
posthumously.
We
understand
wrongful
convictions
happen
with
the
recent
cases,
such
as
demarlo,
barry,
kathy
woods
and
kirsten
lubato.
When
an
innocent
person
dies
in
prison,
the
heartache
and
pain
does
not
end
for
the
families.
J
The
stigma
they
live
with
due
to
the
wrongful
conviction
continues.
If
demarlo
berry
had
died
in
prison,
would
we
have
said
so?
What
the
only
of
those
that
have
passed
away
in
prison
while
maintaining
their
innocence
should
have
the
opportunity
to
clear
their
name?
Currently,
the
law
has
no
path
forward
for
these
families.
I
have
witnessed
the
repercussions
living
family
members
have
endured
due
to
fighting
for
changes
and
not
backing
down
from
the
truth
with
public.
The
public
records
request.
J
J
Now,
I'd
like
to
come
in
as
a
private
citizen,
emory
grant
sister
thomas
purdy
murdered
by
reno
police
and
marshall
county
sheriff's
office
october
8
2015
during
a
mental
health
crisis
in
2021
31
community
members
died
during
interactions
with
police
in
nevada
467.
Since
the
year
2000
parafatalencounters.org
memorial
day
just
passed.
We
know
that
many
of
our
houseless
community
members
are
veterans
suffering
from
untreated
mental
illness.
In
the
state
of
nevada.
I've
identified
15
community
members
who
proudly
and
bravely
served
our
country.
J
They
could
survive
war,
but
they
could
not
survive
police
in
nevada,
david
lee,
efrain
serrano
eric
scott,
francis
spivey,
james
pease,
don
humbleton,
kenneth
stafford,
lloyd,
nopeck,
rex
wilson,
robert
mckinney
ron
o'neil
joseph
jr
stanley,
gibson
pabeniko,
tomperto,
tommy,
lee
guest
and
owen
earl
barton.
Thank
you.
J
Hello,
my
name
is
kimberly.
Ireland,
I
work
as
a
dispatcher
on
a
las
vegas
strip
and
have
been
a
culinary
union
member
for
12
years
back
in
march
of
2020
with
covet
19
pandemic
hit.
It
was
really
tough
time
for
my
family
and
I
I
didn't,
have
a
lot
of
money
saved
up,
so
I
burned
right
through
my
savings
quickly
during
the
pandemic,
I
was
trying
to
work
as
much
as
possible,
so
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of
employment
and
I
fell
behind
on
rent.
J
Since
2007
I've
lived
with
my
family,
I'm
single
mom,
head
of
my
household
while
I
haven't
been
physically
evicted
and
still
occupying
my
residence,
I'm
possibly
facing
a
30-day
notice
from
my
landlord
to
vacate
since
2020.
To
present
my
landlord
has
filed
twice
to
evict
my
family,
and
I
twice.
The
chaps
program
has
helped
us
pay
back
rent
most
recently,
as
a
couple
weeks
ago,
chap
sent
my
landlord
some
money,
but
the
landlord
doesn't
like
she's
willing
to
work
with
me
anymore.
J
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
funds
that
chaps
came
through
with,
but
I've
exhausted
chaps
funds.
Now
earlier
this
year
I
got
coveted,
and
since
I
haven't
been
feeling
well
enough
and
not
able
to
work,
I've
fallen
behind
on
my
may
and
june
rent.
I
worry
that
once
my
landlord
gets
the
top
check,
she
will
evict
me.
It's
just
been
a
constant
back
and
forth
with
my
landlord.
She
has
served
me
with
a
no
cause,
eviction
notice
and
if
that
process
this
been
goes
through,
it's
going
to
put
us
in
a
bind.
J
I
soon
hope
to
feel
better
enough
to
go
back
to
work,
but
even
with
steady
income,
it's
been
really
hard
to
find
an
affordable
place
to
live.
Rent
is
ridiculous
and
my
family-
and
I
are
really
stressed
currently
we
pay
2500
a
month,
and
I
worry
that
the
landlord
will
increase
the
rent.
J
J
J
I
live
in
the
city
of
las
vegas
and
all
around
me,
there
are
new
housing
limits
going
up
at
really
rapid
rates.
This
seems
like
a
great
idea,
but
the
problem
comes
in
when
investors
come
in
and
buy
these
homes
for
cash,
often
pricing
out
everyday
families
that
are
looking
to
purchase
a
home
for
their
family.
This
creates
a
rental
market,
but
not
only
are
these
investors
purchasing
new
single-family
homes,
they
are
purchasing
apartment
complexes
and
also
condominium
complexes.
J
These
apartments,
these
homes
are
overseen
by
landlords
that
are
corporations,
not
your
everyday
landlord
oftentimes.
The
cost
of
maintaining
these
properties
is
passed
on
the
tenant.
The
corporations
take
no
responsibility
for
maintaining
these
homes
and
because
I
don't
believe
the
nevada
statute
dictates
an
order
in
which
rental
payments
must
be
applied.
J
If
a
tenant
has
any
late
fees
or
outstanding
fees,
landlords
can
take
any
money
paid
for
rent
and
apply
those
monies
to
fees.
First,
leaving
tenants
with
the
balance
of
rent
that
the
land
award
can
now
begin
eviction
proceedings
for
if
that
rent
is
not
paid,
this
creates
a
greater
possibility
that
we
will
see
evictions
increased
in
our
future.
J
I
think
our
later
in
an
effort
to
solve
this
eviction
problem
must
look
at
limiting
the
number
of
properties
that
investors
can
purchase
here
in
nevada.
We
must
investigate
this
issue
of
real
estate,
investment
trusts
and
new
home
purchases
and
existing
homes,
condominiums
and
apartments
being
placed
in
these
real
estate.
Investment
trusts.
This
ultimate
line,
this
ultimately
lines
the
pockets
of
investors
and
pushes
everyday
families
and
people
who
are
lucky
looking
to
just
have
a
roof
over
their
head
every
day
out
of
the
market.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
You
guys
have
a
great
day.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
I'll,
remind
everybody
that
we
have
another
public
comment
period
coming
up
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
if
you
came
in
late
and
still
want
to
make
public
comment
that
tunity,
I
believe
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
may
6th
meeting,
and
I
also
understand
that
the
minutes
did
not
reflect
that.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second
I'll?
Second,
okay,
all
right.
We
have
a
second
from
assemblymember
marzola,
all
those
in
favor
signify.
By
saying
I,
I
any
opposed
all
right.
The
motion
passes
unanimously.
We
have
accepted
the
minutes
from
the
may
6th
meeting
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
I
do
want
to
mention
a
couple
of
things
before
I
forget
number
one
is
that
our
invitation
to
submit
recommendations
and
proposals
is
still
available.
It
is
an
exhibit
to
our
previous
meeting.
A
It
is
the
fancy
way
of
telling
you
all
that
if
you
have
items
that
you'd
like
to
be
considered
for
a
bill
draft
request,
we
have
to
get
those
as
soon
as
possible.
We
will
be
reviewing
all
of
our
bill
draft
requests
in
august
and
voting
formally
to
request
certain
bill
drafts,
and
so
please
make
sure
that
you
follow
the
directions
on
that
document
to
submit
your
proposals
in
you
know
as
as
complete
a
form
as
possible,
but
we
understand
that
we're
writing
proposals
not
bills
here.
A
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
everybody
was
aware
of
that,
and
then
the
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
the
mostly
to
the
committee,
but
also
for
those
of
you
who
are
listening
in,
is
that
we
may
be
receiving
a
study
from
the
legislative
commission
who
is
meeting
this
afternoon
after
us.
A
Sorry
about
crisis
call
centers,
which
is
like
a
centralized
way
for
us
to.
You
know,
look
at
dispatching
first
responders
to
different
kinds
of
emergencies,
be
they
criminal
in
nature,
mental
health
and
nature.
Things
like
that,
and
so
that
study
needs
to
be
assigned
to
a
committee,
we're
anticipating
that
will
be
assigned
to
us.
That
will
give
us
just
the
july
meeting
to
review
that
study.
A
And
then
our
august
meeting,
like
I
just
said,
will
be
the
bill
drafts
and
then
we
are
finished
because
then
we
get
started
on
the
82nd
session
meetings,
so
I
might
have
some
more
information
on
that
at
the
end
of
this
meeting.
If
it,
you
know,
comes
back
to
my
brain,
but
I
just
want
to
make
everybody
aware
and
with
that.
A
So
sorry,
and
so
just
to
clarify
with
that
study,
assuming
it
does
get
referred
to
us,
we'll
be
having
the
the
stakeholders
come
to
the
july
meeting
to
discuss
crisis
call
centers.
So
you
can
expect
to
see
those
on
the
agenda
and
if
you
are
somebody
who
is
a
first
responder
law
enforcement
or
an
interested
legislator,
please
reach
out
to
us.
Let
us
know
and
we'll
be
sure
to
include
you
in
that
conversation
and
with
that.
A
O
A
Great
then
we
will
sorry
we
can't
see
the
carson
city
meeting
down
here
in
las
vegas
right
now,
it's
not
on
our
screen
bps.
If
we
could.
A
A
O
And
no
problem
good
morning
sheriff
allen's
much
better
looking
than
I
am
anyway,
but
so
I
appreciate
that
good
morning,
chair
and
committee
members,
thank
you
for
having
me
today
again
for
the
record,
I'm
mike
sherlock,
the
executive
director
of
the
commission
on
peace,
officer,
standards
and
training.
O
I
know
many
of
you
know
who
we
are,
but
I
really
can't
pass
up
the
opportunity
to
remind
everyone
what
we
do,
what
our
mission
is
and
just
try
to
help
those
who
are
somewhat
confused
and
sometimes
think
post
as
a
magazine
or
a
mail
room
or
something
along
those
lines.
So
the
post
commission
is
comprised
of.
As
of
this
last
legislative
session,
11
members,
nine
are
very
specific
peace
officer
representatives.
O
They
represent
the
dif
different
disciplines
under
post
jurisdiction
in
nevada,
so
each
category
of
peace
officers
is
a
peace
officer
is
represented
on
the
commission.
In
addition,
both
large
metropolitan
police
agencies
must
be
represented
on
the
commission,
as
well
as
our
rural
law
enforcement
agencies.
O
Our
mission
and
statutory
mandates
are
to
develop
the
minimum
standards
for
appointment,
certification,
training
and
continuing
education
requirements
for
peace
officers
in
nevada.
We
strive
to
increase
the
professionalism
in
policing
in
nevada
to
ensure
the
public
safety
and
security
of
all
nevada
citizens.
O
The
very
purpose
of
the
experts
on
the
commission
is
to
develop
regulations
to
accomplish
those
specific
goals.
I
would
encourage
you,
the
members
of
this
committee,
as
you
look
at
bdrs,
or
they
are
developed
to
please
utilize,
our
expertise
in
policing
and
our
regulatory
purpose
expertise
when
you're
looking
at
these
bdrs,
we
are
here
for
you,
I
will
say
I
worked
on
many
bills
with
speaker,
fryerson
now
assistant
attorney
general
fryerson,
with
this
last
session,
actually
over
the
last
two
sessions.
Really.
O
O
You
have
to
understand
that
for
every
change
in
a
criminal
statute
definition
the
severity
of
a
crime,
the
punishment
of
that
crime
has
a
domino
effect
on
our
operation.
Our
statewide
basic
trait
training
curriculum
must
be
updated
and
changed.
Advanced
training
curriculum
must
be
updated.
Performance
objectives
are
changed,
so
if
you
think
of
the,
for
instance,
the
crime
bill
from
the
previous
section
ab236
this
bill
reduced
the
penalty
or
severity
of
nearly
every
crime.
It
made
changes
to
long-standing
definitions
of
crime.
O
O
O
Once
the
legislature
passes
a
bill
and
the
governor
signs
that
bill
into
law,
our
work
begins
where
we
are
mandated
to
update
our
regulations.
We
begin
the
rulemaking
process
and
look
at
everything
from
the
legal
aspect
of
that
change
to
where
it
would
fit
in
our
chapter
of
the
regulations
of
the
nac.
O
Rulemaking
then
requires
a
workshop
to
develop
language,
even
though
the
legislature
may
have
already
mandated
the
language,
and
we
have
no
distract
discretion.
We
still
are
required,
of
course,
to
have
a
workshop
once
that
is
done
and
the
com,
the
commission
then
votes
to
continue
the
rulemaking
and
again,
even
though
they
may
not
have
discretion
on
that,
we
still
have
to
go
through
the
process.
O
O
Once
that
is
done,
we're
then
required
to
have
a
public
hearing
and
public
comment
hearing
for
us
commoners.
That
means
we
have
to
give
a
30-day
notice
for
public
comment
hearings
once
that
is
done.
The
com,
the
commission,
again
for
the
purpose
of
these
bills,
votes
to
adopt
the
regulation
again,
even
though
the
legislation
may
have
taken
away
any
discretion,
we
still
have
to
go
through
the
process
once
it
is
adopted.
The
language
goes
back
to
lcb
for
publication
from
our
perspective
and
really
just
from
a
reality
base.
O
Our
job
is
done
at
that
point.
The
regulation
is
adopted
and
it
is
enforced
by
post,
where
we
see
confusion
or
even
take
complaints
or
are
blamed
for
inaction
is
due
to
the
fact
that
you
can't
pull
up
our
new
regulations
in
in
the
nac,
and
it's
assumed
that
somehow
the
commission
didn't
move
forward
with
the
legislative
man
mandate.
Even
though
we
had
understand,
we
have
no
control
over.
What's
going
on
with
lcb
the
coveted
issues
and
workload
has
been
excessive
for
lcb
and
our
language,
getting
back
to
us
is
often
delayed.
O
We
have
seen
our
regulations
not
getting
back
to
us
for
up
to
a
year
before
we
can
get.
The
final
public
comment
hearing
done
but
understand
that,
once
the
commission
has
adopted
those
regulations,
they
are
on
our
website
and
for
all
intents
purposes
we
enforce
those
regulations,
whether
they're
published
or
not.
O
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
session.
The
legislature
passed
some
250
bills
that
touched
on
policing
in
some
way.
We
continue
to
review
bills
in
the
language
and
intent
to
ensure
our
operations
complies
with
the
legislative
intent
quickly.
I
want
to
want
to
talk
about
the
bills
I
was
asked
about
in
my
invite
today
and
then
I'll
do
a
quick
overview
of
some
of
the
other
issues.
O
As
what
often
happens
to
us
is
you
know
the
belief
that
we
do
or
don't
do
certain
things
don't
often
match
up
with
reality.
O
The
previous
sessions
ab478
required
training
and
dealing
with
those
with
behavioral
health
issues
that
is
essentially
in
training
and
crisis
intervention.
So
we
were
already
doing
that.
I
did
work
with
speaker
fryerson
on
this
bill
and
he
felt
that
it
should
be
clear
that
this
training
includes
crisis
intervention,
and
so
the
bill
was
passed
with
that
language.
O
This
requirement
went
into
effect
january
january
1
of
this
year.
We
actually
completed
the
workshop
and
continued
the
rulemaking
back
in
november
of
last
year.
I
believe
we
have
now
finally
or
have
recently
received
the
language
back
from
lcb
and
we've
scheduled
the
final
public
comment
hearing
and
a
couple
of
weeks,
and
at
that
time
our
regulation
will
actually
reflect
what
what
the
statute
already
requires.
O
I,
in
on
that
subject,
I
will
add
that
post
is
rolling
out
some
training.
We
will
deliver
across
the
state
with
our
newest
grant
acquisition.
We
have
purchased
a
state
of
the
art
virtual
reality
system.
We
are
currently
finishing
up
on
curriculum
to
include
decision
making
communication,
de-escalation
and
crisis
intervention.
O
O
O
This
obviously
was
already
part
of
the
pre-employment
investigation
and
truth
verification
process
required
by
post
today
in
the
hiring
and
recruitment
activity
of
peace
officers.
That
said,
this
bill
requires
that
that
be
explicitly
stated,
and,
of
course
it
is
now
in
the
statute
again.
O
O
I
would
submit
that
the
mention
of
visit
along
with
the
ability
to
complete
their
duties
is
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
us.
The
courts
are
pretty
clear
that
an
employer
cannot
arbitrarily
mandate
every
officer
under
their
employee
to
visit
a
mental
health
professional
to
determine
their
ability
to
perform.
O
This
would
be
construed
as
a
fitness
for
duty
issue
and
and
from
the
from
a
court
standpoint
from
our
research
that
requires
a
specific
trigger
or
event
to
mandate
that.
So
that
said,
we're
all
on
the
same
page
when
it
comes
to
our
concern
for
individual
officers,
well-being.
O
I
just
returned
from
a
conference
of
police
regulatory
leaders
across
the
country.
I
found
that
no
state
has
that
specific
language,
mostly
due
to
the
reasons
I
just
mentioned.
O
A
couple
of
states
do
have
behavior
wellness,
statutes
and
regulations,
but
it
appears
they
get
around
the
court
issues
and
the
fitness
for
duty
issues
by
some
language
changes.
Specifically
the
statute
state
in
those
two
states
that
an
annual
officer
wellness
check-in
has
to
occur.
They
do
not
mention
fitness
for
duty,
minimum
standards
of
fitness
or
specifically
a
visit,
but
it's
simply
a
check-in.
O
O
Clearly,
not
a
standard
as
to
what
wellness
means
for
an
individual.
Obviously,
that
would
be
subjective
and
and
truly
impossible
for
us
to
do
or
for
anyone
for
that
matter
in
our
area.
So
I
won't
get
into
it
further
on
that,
but
I
can
answer
questions
if
needed.
At
the
end
of
my
presentation.
We
do
expect
the
workshop
to
be
completed
and
the
rulemaking
will
be
continued
and
go
to
lcb
for
langle
a
final
language
sometime
by
next
month.
O
O
In
regard
to
other
bills,
we
believe
that
we're
up
to
speed
on
those
changes
and
have
made
conforming
changes
to
our
curriculum
to
our
performance
objectives
and
to
our
operations.
O
This
includes
everything
from
changes
in
the
definition
of
the
use
of
deadly
force
to
juvenile
rights
issues.
So
I'd
like
to.
I
know
this
is
not
a
fiscal
committee,
but
let
me
just
briefly
talk
about
how
we
are
affected
by
the
bills
that
become
law
post,
and
I
know
I
harp
on
this
a
lot,
but
post
is
nearly
100
funded
by
court
assessment
fees.
O
Frankly,
when
I
look
at
how
other
state
regulatory
policing,
regulatory
and
training
entities
are
are
funded,
nevada
is
way
behind
both
in
what
we
receive
and
how
we're
funded.
You
have
to
understand
that
things
like
megan
law
intent,
is
great
but
hurts
our
budget
we're
very
concerned
about
ab162
that
makes
traffic
violations
civil
in
nature.
O
O
O
We
have
been
in
trouble
for
some
time,
but
over
the
covet
shutdown
we
lost
a
considerable
considerable
amount
of
fun
funding
and
that
has
not
yet
recovered,
not
even
close
in
terms
of
our
fiscal
budget.
We
have
no
access
to
general
fund,
yet
we
have
a
duty
and
a
mandate
to
ensure
nevada.
Policing
is
the
best
that
we
carry
out
the
mandates
that
you,
the
legislature
pass
and
that
agencies
have
the
regulatory
backing
to
recruit,
hire,
train
and
certify
the
best
officers
that
requires
funding
ours.
O
Our
state
deserves
this
and,
frankly,
we
need
to
address
our
funding
so
I'll
I'll
leave
that
there.
So
with
that,
I
will
yield
back
and
can
answer
any
questions.
The
committee
may
have.
A
All
right,
normally,
I
save
my
comments
and
questions
for
the
end
and
I
probably
will
have
a
few
at
the
end,
but
I
just
want
to
cover
a
couple
of
quick
things
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
the
members
of
the
committee
and
first
I
just
want
to
ask
whether
post
was
included
or
invited
to
participate
in
the
conversations
about
this
legislation,
as
it
was
being
discussed
during
the
the
most
recent
legislative
session.
O
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question
mike
sherlock
for
the
record
we
are
generally.
We
are.
We
attempt
to
track
those
bills
that
we
know
will
have
an
impact
on
policing
in
nevada,
we're
not
always
successful
with
that,
I
would
say
that
each
of
these
bills,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
did
work
with
speaker
fryerson
on
some
of
these
really
all
of
them.
We
did
make
fiscal
notes
on
those
where
it
was
appropriate
and
spoke
to
sponsors
quite
often
on
on
the
bills.
A
Okay-
and
it
sounds
like
you
still
were-
not
pleased
with
the
outcome
of
pretty
much
any
of
these
bills,.
O
Well
mike,
thank
you
for
the
question
mike
sherlock,
for
the
record.
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
proper
characterization,
some
of
them
were
redundant,
and
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
we're
we're
a
small
agency.
We
get
a
lot
done
with
few
people
and
redundancy
is,
is
sometimes
unnecessary
work.
But
that
being
said,
I
understand
it
working
with
speaker
fryerson
on,
for
instance,
with
crisis
intervention.
O
We
as
a
profession
understand
that
that
responding
to
behavioral
health
issue
calls
for
service
is
crisis
intervention,
but
we
also
understand
the
legislative
legislation's
intent
to
make
that
clear
in
the
bill
in
the
statutes,
and
so
we
understand
that,
but
so
no,
I
I
don't
know
that
that's
a
fair
representation.
O
You
know
nobody
wants
extra
work
and
maybe
that's
what
I'm
I'm
putting
across
in
terms
of
336.
We
had
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
I
made
suggestions
on
what
we
believed
could
help
with
that
language.
O
I
think
there
were
some
attempts
to
to
fix
that
language,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
got
where
we
need
to
be,
and
we
worry
about
litigation.
O
Again,
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
I
yeah-
I
don't
think
so.
I
I
think
that
you
know
outside
of
fiscal
issues
when
we're
talking
about
operational
issues.
O
As
you
know,
it
was
a
very
busy
session
for
policing
bills,
so
we
were
spending
more
time
dealing
with
the
bdrs
that
were
already
proposed,
rather
than
you
know
going
the
other
way
the
the
just
the
number
of
bills
were
was
overwhelming.
A
A
You
know
you
mentioned
the
legislative
council
bureau
a
couple
of
times
and
your
experience
in
working
with
them
and
we've
all
worked
with
the
legislative
council
bureau,
and
I
think
that
the
I
can
speak
for
the
whole
committee
in
saying
that
we
have
the
utmost
respect
for
the
members
of
lcb
and
all
the
legislative
staff
who
work
tirelessly
with
us
to
help
turn
our
ideas
into
good,
workable
pieces
of
legislation,
and
I
have
never
been
at
their
mercy,
but
I
have
always
been
at
their.
You
know.
A
I've
had
the
utmost
gratefulness
towards
them
and
that
most
appreciation
for
them
and
if
you
or
anybody
else
ever
feels
like
you're
at
the
mercy
of
lcb
or
has
any
kind
of
problem.
I
would
encourage
you
to
come
and
talk
to
me
personally.
Let
me
know
if
you
know
there's
something
we
can
do
to
help
or
if
there's
ever
an
issue.
I've
I've
never
seen
one
in
my
career
at
the
legislature.
A
They
are
the
utmost
professionals,
they
are
the
smartest
and
the
brightest
bunch
that
we
have
in
the
building,
and
that
includes
the
legislators,
and
so,
if
anybody
does
not
have
that
experience,
I
would
you
know
I
want
to
hear
about
that
immediately,
so
that
we
can
address
it,
and
with
that
I
will
ask
our
members
if
they
have
any
questions.
G
O
Thank
you
senator
mike
sherlock,
for
the
record.
I
I
don't.
O
I
don't
think
that
is
I
mean
clearly,
I'm
not
qualified
to
assess
the
you
know
mental
health
of
an
officer
that,
but
that's
not
what
I
I'm
getting
at
it's
more
about
a
legal
issue
of
of
what's
called
in
our
profession,
a
fitness
for
duty,
exam
and
there's
very
specific
issues
related
to
a
fitness
for
duty
visit
and,
and
that's
the
only
thing,
I'm
I'm
saying
it
and
it
may
be
running
into
when
we
talk
about
creating
a
standard
for
what
is
mentally
competent.
O
You
know
a
check
box
system
like
we
would
with
physical
fitness
from
what
from
our
research
on
this
issue,
and
so
it's
not
about
whether
or
not
we
could
determine
if
they're
fit
it's
it's
the
legal
issue
of
forcing
an
employee
to
go
to
an
exam.
G
No,
it
does
I
I
mean
I
understand
what
you're
getting
at
night.
I
guess
it's
not
really
you
all
who
are
forcing
them.
It's
it's
the
legislature,
who's
forcing
them
to
get
that
check
and
I'd
like
to
think-
and
you
know
we
can
have
plenty
more
conversations
about
this,
but
I'd
like
to
think
that
there's
some
way
to
ensure
that
our
officers
who
were
dealing
with
you
know-
I
mean
things
that
we
as
regular
civilians,
can't
think
about
on
a
regular
basis.
G
G
You
know
I'm
an
attorney,
I'm
licensed
by
the
bar,
I'm
sure.
If,
at
some
point,
my
mental
fitness
was
not
equipped
to
then
serve
a
client,
the
bar
has
some
mechanism
to
determine
that
and
and
probably
suspend
my
practice,
and
so
I
would
imagine,
there's
got
to
be
some
way
that
post
can
put
some
mechanism
in
place
to
ensure
that
officers
are
mentally
fit
and
if
they
are
not,
you
know
that
that
they're
taken
off
the
streets,
given
the
gravity
of
the
you
know,
situations
that
they
deal
with.
G
So
I
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
have
discussions
on
that
and
chair.
I
just
have
one
more
question:
if
I
could
one
thing,
I
think
we
you
you
touched
on
very
lightly,
but
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
could
give
us
a
little
bit
more
about,
and
that
is
officer
training
on
on
use
of
force.
G
G
O
Thank
you
senator
for
the
question
again
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
so
you
know
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
do
just
you
know
from
a
from
a
specific
standpoint.
Our
goal
is
to
find
that
area
where
the
need
for
use
of
force
is
reduced,
right,
that
that
officers
are
able
to
control
a
situation
without
the
use
of
force,
and
so
I
I
speak
about
this.
O
Quite
often,
I'm
very
passionate
about
it,
but
one
of
the
most
important
tools
and
training
mechanisms
is
to
train
officers
and
the
ability
to
make
decisions
under
stress,
and
so
we
strive
hard
in
the
basic
training
programs
to
create
a
an
environment
where
we
are
measuring
their
ability
to
make
legal,
ethical
and
moral
decisions
under
extreme
stress
and
and
as
you
can
imagine,
we
get
blow
back
on
that
that
we
shouldn't
be
putting
our
trainees
under
stress
and
and
the
research
is
clear.
Frankly
I
want
in
my
neighborhood.
O
I
want
an
officer
that
I
know
that
can
make
good
decisions,
despite
the
stress,
and
so
we
work
hard
part
of
that,
specifically
with
with
use
of
force,
it's
interwoven
throughout
basic
training.
From
you
know,
communication
techniques
to
scenario-based
training
for
calls
for
service
response.
You
know
our
community
based
training
programs.
O
O
De-Escalation
all
into
that
program,
we'll
be
taking
that
acro
across
the
state,
but
but
frankly,
it
is
interwoven
in
nearly
everything,
every
training
program
that
we
operate
again.
I
think
we
would
ask
that
you
always
take
input
from
the
experts.
We
know,
for
example,
that
the
number
one
indicator
or
a
deterrent
to
the
need
for
use
of
force
is
command
presence.
O
If
your
community
is
confident
in
that
officer
in
your
in
your
police
department
and
respects
that
police
department,
you
have
fewer
uses
of
force
period,
so
we
try
to
integrate
all
of
these
things
into
every
training
program.
Every
you
know,
training
that
we
put
on
across
the
state,
but
I
will
caution
you
that
post
is
mandated
with
establishing
the
minimum
standards
and
we
encourage
agencies,
of
course,
to
go
beyond
the
minimum,
but
we
want
a
a
threshold
that
we
cannot
fall
behind
in
terms
of
recruiting,
hiring
certifying
and
training
our
officers.
G
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
think
you
know
I
I'm
hoping
I'm
not
alone
here,
but
I
think
there
might
be
some
folks
who
think
that
some
of
the
things
I'm
asking
about
should
be
the
minimum
of
the
officers
that
we're
putting
out
on
our
streets
and
if
you
could
just
speak
to
the
second
part
of
my
question,
what
is
it
that
post
is
doing
to
ensure
that
officers
are
not
more
afraid
of
me
than
they
are
of
say?
Senator
scheible.
O
Again,
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
I
I
I
think
you
know
again
from
post
standard
in
terms
of
you
know
our
efforts
to
weed
out
the
bad
apples.
I
think
we
do
a
pretty
good
job
of
that.
We
participate
in
the
national
decertification
index.
G
Hold
on
I'm
gonna
hold
on
I'm
gonna.
Stop
I'm
gonna.
Stop
you
right
there,
I'm
not
I'm
not
talking
about
bad
apples.
You
don't
need
to
be
a
bad
apple.
To
be
more
afraid
of
me,
inherently
than
of
someone
who
doesn't
look
like
me,
that's
it's
not
the
question.
I'm
asking
I'm
not
looking
for
you
to
answer
about.
You
know
getting
rid
of
suspected
members
of
white
supremacist
groups.
G
So
I
I
I
think
I've
got
the
answer
to
my
question
and
it's
probably
that
you're
not
doing
as
much
as
I
would
like,
but
I
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
at
this
moment
to
to
to
take
that
disparity
very
seriously,
because
we
have
to
do
everything
we
can
to
get
that
out
of
officers
during
training,
and
it's
about
acknowledging
that
bias
that
we
all
have
not
good,
not
bad.
It's
just
there.
G
It
is,
and
unless
we
are
intentional
about
it,
trying
to
address
it,
it
is
only
going
to
to
continue
on
so
you
know,
I'm
sure
this
is
a
much
longer
conversation
than
we
can
have
here
at
the
dyess,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
everything
that
you're
doing
and
you
being
here
and
and
speaking
with
the
committee,
but
I'm
going
to
implore
you
to
to
make
this
a
priority
for
the
training
of
the
officers
we're
putting
out
on
the
streets
in
the
state
of
nevada.
On
behalf
of
all
all
nevadans.
Thank.
A
N
Thank
you,
director,
sherlock.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
While
I
agree
with
you
that
we
should
do
better
or
we
should
adequately
fund
our
government
agencies
and
appropriately
and
not
off
the
fees
of
traffic
tickets,
you
know,
I
noticed
that
you
weren't
at
the
table
any
of
those
tables
and
those
hundreds
of
meetings
that
we
had
and
probably
over
the
last
10
years
regarding
assembly
bill
116
that
you
had
mentioned.
N
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
because
it
will
show
you
that
what
the
research
and
the
evidence
actually
shows
is
that
we
will
actually
collect
more
money
in
fees
in
that.
But
I
would
welcome
you
to
the
table
anytime.
We
do
talk
about
revenue
to
adequately
fund
our
courts
as
well
as
post
and
other
agencies
in
our
state.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
look
at
that
as
a
follow-up
question.
N
One
of
the
things
that
I
would
ask
you
about
is
the
implementation
of
the
new
members
to
post
and
if
you
can
give
a
more
specific
update
on
how
that
is
coming
along.
O
Again
this
is
this:
bill,
wasn't
specifically
mandating
post
staff
to
to
really
do
anything.
So
I'm
trying
to
think
specifically
what
the
wording
was.
As
I
recall,
the
community
members
must
be.
One
is
appointed
by
the
speaker,
one
by
the
president
of
the
senate,
and
one
is
well,
I
think,
once
from
the
north
one
from
the
south
and
with
the
emphasis
on
a
person
of
color
experienced
and
community
based
organizations
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
we
we
are
not
consulted
on
that.
O
In
any
way,
I
will
say
that
we
do
have
once
been
already
been
appointed,
miss
tiffany
young,
a
great
addition
to
the
commission.
O
O
N
N
Can
you
tell
me
where
your
you
had
indicated
were
just
references
to
your
legal
research
like
who
who's
doing
that
legal
research?
For
you,
that's
telling
you
that
implementing
this
legislative
mandate,
that's
in
statute
is
not
lawful.
O
Thank
you
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
so
let
me
be
clear:
it's
the
concern
is
with
the
language
and
so
a
whole
variety
of
we
have
not
sought
a
official
ag
opinion
on
this.
At
this
point,
we're
only
looking
at
the
regulation
and
by
the
way
we
believe
that
we
will
be
able
to
craft
a
regulation
that
meets
the
intent
of
the
legislation.
O
O
Some
of
it
is
from
just
informal
conversations
with
our
legal
counsel,
but
also
my
meetings
with
on
the
national
scene,
at
what
other
states
have
do
are
doing
and
what
they've
done
and,
as
I
said,
that
these
states
have
crafted
it
as
a
annual
check-in
rather
than
a
visit
and
have
not
created
some
baseline
standard
for
what
passes
and
what
doesn't,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
saying
we
in
terms
of
the
bill.
We
believe
we
will
craft
a
regulation
that
will
comply
and
meet
the
intent,
and
frankly,
we
want
to.
O
We
have
looked
at
some
very
promising
programs
that
are
out
there
that
are
extremely
effective
and
extremely
inexpensive.
That
would
meet
some
of
the
language
that
we've
come
up
for
this
regulation.
So
please
don't
misunderstand:
we.
We
are
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
overstep
or
cause
issues
in
the
employee,
employer
relationship
or
get
into
any
areas
that
deal
with
employment
law.
P
Thank
you,
chair
person,
schaible,
and
thank
you,
mr
sherlock,
for
for
being
here,
and
I
my
question,
I
think,
is
kind
of
a
follow-up
to
what
assemblywoman
wynn
was
asking
earlier.
P
So
in
your
discussion,
you
said
that
you
all
have
yearly
training
and
de-escalation
and
I'm
curious,
and
then
you
said
that
someone
was
concerned
about
the
amount
of
stress
that
you
put
your
folks
under
when
they
are
in
the
academy,
and
I
think
that
you
are
are
implying
that
you
use
that
to
to
determine
whether
or
not
someone
has
the
emotional
and
mental
capability
to
work
under
the
rest
to
do
the
job.
P
So,
conversely,
wouldn't
that
be
part
of
a
yearly
examination
to
determine
whether
or
not
your
current
officers
are
able
to
function
yearly
under
the
same
type
of
duress
and
why
wouldn't
that
be
part
of
your
yearly
evaluation,
because
that
could
also
show
you
whether
or
not
someone
was
of
a
mental
state
to
be
able
to
continue
in
this
stressful
work.
Can
you
speak
to
that.
O
O
But
yes,
I
I
it
is
so
if
you
look
at
ab478
from
the
prior
session
and
and
frankly,
our
mandated
training
even
before
that
requires
certain
things.
One
of
those
is,
for
instance,
firearms
training,
use
of
force,
training,
those
kind
of
things.
So
when
we
talk
about
the
mandate
that
officers
be
updated
annually
on
de-escalation,
that
often
includes,
or
is
a
reality-based
training
session.
That
includes
de-escalation.
O
In
fact,
that
is
what
we're
doing
with
the
some
of
our
newest
virtual
reality.
Training
equipment
naturally
puts
them
under
stress
in
a
whole
variety
of
issue,
issues
and
forces
them
to
make
a
decision
under
that
stress.
So
the
short
answer
is
that
is
occurring.
That
is
part
of
the
mandate,
just
simply
in
the
topics
that
are
required
by
the
way
includes
training
and
implicit
bias.
As
I
know,
senator
harris
mentioned
a
moment
ago
and
again
those
things
look
at
decision
making
and
for
us
in
particular,
is
our
decision.
P
If
you
have
an
officer
who
is
not
functioning
well
in
de-escalation
and
not
functioning
well
in
implicit
bias,
there
therein
lies
a
mental
situation
and
whether
you
have
a
basic
standard
check
box
or
not
delineated
in
your
rules.
I
think
that
in
it
implies
to
those
who
are
being
tested
that
there's
an
issue
that
exists.
P
P
I
have
friends
who
are
military
people,
and
I
worked
for
the
army
for
a
significant
amount
of
time,
and
I
know
that
those
folks
were
tested
yearly
on
their
fitness,
both
physically
arms
and
mental,
and
I
think
that
there's
got
to
be
some
type
of
system
available
for
you
to
look
at
to
put
these
things
in
place
that
don't
impinge
upon
people's
right
to
work,
because
I
am
a
union
person.
So
I
believe
in
that,
but
even
as
a
administrative
person,
my
job
had
particular
requirements.
P
P
That
ensures
that
the
folks
who
are
supposed
to
be
doing
these
jobs
are
able
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
keeps
our
community
safe
and
I'm
just
kind
of
a
little
bit
surprised.
P
I
I
don't
think
I've
met
you
before,
but
a
little
bit
surprised
that
we're
having
this
conversation
and-
and
I
I
wish
that
we
were
just
a
little
bit
further
along
here,
but
you
know
we
want
to
support
you
all
and
using
to
tell
us
what
it
is
that
you
need,
and
then
you
come
back
to
us
with
information,
that's
based
in
fact,
and
and
legal
research
and
and
not
necessarily
some
casual
conversations,
because
if
there's
some
law
out
there,
that
is,
is
prohibiting
you.
P
O
Mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
if
I
may
a
couple
things-
please
don't
misunderstand
this
bill
is
effective
january
of
2023..
We
are
simply
stating
that
we
are
being
careful
with
the
language
it
will
be
implemented.
There's
no
issue
there
at
all
in
terms
of
the
implementation,
it's
more
about
the
language
that
will
be
used
to
do
that.
O
Let
me
also
mention
that,
for
instance,
in
our
basic
academy,
we
lose
more
or
have
more
failures
in
the
reality-based
performance-based
areas
of
the
academy
than
we
do
say
for
academic
reasons.
Now,
as
I
hope
you
understand,
I
can't
say
that
these
people
are
removed
due
to
mental
health
issues,
but
they're
removed
because
they've
failed
the
decision
making
required
under
a
stress
program
and
and
and
that's
the
reason
that
they're
removed.
So
again,
I
if
I
gave
the
wrong
impression
we're
not
dragging
our
feet
on
336.
O
It
doesn't
go
into
effect
till
next
year.
We
just
want
to
be
transparent,
that
we
are
looking
at
the
best
language
that
fits
the
needs
of
the
entire
state
and
and
we
will
get
it
done.
We
are
looking
at
some
very
good
programs
that
again
deal
with
behavioral
health
and
we
want
to
get
those
available
to
the
agencies
as
well.
So
I'm
sorry
if
it
came
across
that
way,
but
there's
there's
no
dragging
the
feet,
we're
we're
well
within
the
requirements
now.
A
All
right,
I
think
we
still
might
have
some
questions
from.
Look:
let's
go
to
carson
city
first.
Is
there
anybody
in
carson
city
with
any
questions.
A
Q
Thank
you
chair,
there's
only
one
of
us
up
there.
So
that's
me.
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
you,
director,
sherlock
and
the
first
one
is.
You
may
not
be
able
to
answer.
Don't
most
agencies
now
have
peer-to-peer
within
their
groups,
peer-to-peer,
counseling
and
recognition
to
deal
with
officers
or
even
civilian
staff
that
may
be
suffering
through
trauma
that
has
affected
their
job
performance,
not
just
mentally,
but
overall.
O
O
I
know
washoe
county
has
a
very
prolific
program
dealing
with
behavioral
health,
so
they're
they're
definitely
out
there
and-
and
I
would
say
a
majority
and
our
concern,
though,
is
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
that
opportunity.
Q
And,
as
I
recall,
supervisors
in
their
evaluation
annual
evaluations
of
their
subordinates,
look
at
some
of
the
performance
measurements,
and
one
of
those
is
how
they
are
dealing
with
stressful
situations,
how
they
are
dealing
interactions
with
any
person
whether
they're,
black
brown,
red,
green,
yellow.
I
don't
care,
but
it's
all
taken
into
consideration
in
the
supervisions
and
they're
trained
as
that
as
supervisors.
To
look
at
that
for
their
personnels.
Would
that
be
a
reasonable
statement.
O
Q
So
some
of
this
is
un
to
me
would
be
unnecessary
without
a
regular
trading
event,
as
you
would
say,
to
mandate
every
officer
to
come
in
to
do
this.
But
let
me
ask
you
so
if
you
do
go
to
mental
health
in
your
annual
evaluation
and
you're
taken
off
the
street,
where
do
you
end
up
going
to
what
is,
besides
for
law
enforcement?
Q
O
Mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
I
there's
some
very
specific
rules
on
that
and-
and
I'm
also
an
attorney
just
out
of
full
disclosure,
but
I'm
not
here
to
give
legal
advice
and
I'm
not
a
very
good
attorney,
but
the
you
know
I
wouldn't
get
into
that.
But
typically
my
experience
working
in
policing
is
where
you
have
someone
that
lacks
the
skills
that
are
necessary
at
the
moment.
You
know
we
would
put
them
in
non-citizen
contact
positions
working
in
the
communication
center
or
records
they're.
O
Q
I
appreciate
that
also,
when
you
talk
de-escalation,
isn't
it
really
use
of
force
is
based
upon
compliance?
You
use
such
force
as
necessary
to
gain
compliance
from
the
individual.
If
they
don't
comply,
you
have
to
go
to
the
next
level,
so
it's
really
driven
by
the
individual,
not
by
the
officer.
Would
that
be
a
fair
statement.
Q
If
I
wanted
to
come
over
and
visit
and
see
some
of
this,
what
did
you
call
it
training
that
you're,
given
I'm
invited
at
any
time
matter
of
fact,
I
remember
once
I
don't
know
if
you're
still
using
the
fat
system,
it
was
mobile
enough
that
it
was
brought
here
to
the
legislature,
as
I
recall,
and
several
of
the
legislators
were
invited.
All
of
them
actually
were
invited
to
come
and
participate
in
that
simulation
training
to
understand
some
of
the
a
the
training,
but
also
the
stress
that
officers
face
during
various
situations.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
Mike
sherlock.
For
the
record,
we
encourage
you,
please.
We
have
what's
called
milo,
it's
similar
to
fats
that
you're
talking
about
next
generation.
We
have
two
of
those
permanently
set
up
at
our
campus
in
carson.
I
would
encourage
you
to
get
a
hold
of
me
anytime
come
over
and
let
us
run
you
through
use
of
force
scenarios.
O
A
lot
of
these
scenarios
are
designed
to
they're
not
designed
for
force
or
designed,
not
to
use
force
and
and
also,
as
you
said,
put
put
some
stress
decision
making
measurements
in
it.
In
addition
to
the
virtual
reality
system
that
we
have.
So
we
would
welcome
anyone
that
from
the
legislative
body
that
would
like
to
come.
Do
that
and
we
find
it
very
eye-opening
for
those
that
have
not
worked
in
policing
when
they
do
that.
So
we
encourage
it.
Q
They
indicated
to
me
that
you
were
suffering
a
budget
shortfall
of
close
to
a
million
dollars
due
to
various
the
covid
when
people
weren't,
traveling,
et
cetera,
citations
were
down,
and
you
were
promised
or
indicated
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
coming
in
the
american
recovery
program
and
haven't
received
that
a
million
dollar
shortfall.
I
don't
know
what
your
overall
budget
is,
but
a
million
no
matter
what
it
is
to
me
would
be
a
significant
impact
to
your
delivery
of
training.
O
We
post
operates
much
like
your
checkbook,
so
we
go
through
the
normal
budgetary
process
and
we
are
authorized
a
specific
amount,
2.7
million,
something
like
that,
give
or
take,
but
we
run
our
budget
as,
unlike
a
general
fund
agency,
that
money
comes
in
july,
one
right,
whatever
the
budget
approved
is
with
us.
O
O
This
fiscal
year
we
projected
that
our
court
assessments
were
down
about-
I,
I
believe,
was
890
000,
something
like
that.
We
originally
applied
for
arpa
money
for
that
amount
for
various
reasons
that
was
not
approved,
but
I
think
we
ended
up
with
240
000
290
000,
something
like
that
and
with
our
incoming
court
assessments
and
that
infusion.
Q
Thank
you
and
last
but
not
least
you
only
as
you
said,
you
provide
minimum
standards,
you
don't
do
the
training
for
all
agencies,
las
vegas,
metro,
highway,
patrol
department
of
public
safety
have
their
own
academies
in
training,
correct.
Q
A
Absolutely-
and
it
is
some
member
marzola's
term
but
first
I
just
want
to
ask
a
couple
follow-up
questions
about
the
training
facility
in
carson
city,
and
I
think
that
you
suggested
that
it's
a
simulation
or
a
virtual
reality
type
training.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
that
program
is
and
how
it
works?.
O
Sure,
mike
sherlock,
for
the
record,
so
we
have
a
couple
systems.
We
have
what's
called
milo,
it's
it's
basically
an
interactive
system
that
projects
scenarios
on
a
large
screen
and
it
allows
the
the
training
officer
to
manipulate
what
the
officer
is
seeing
on
the
screen.
Based
on
the
officer's
reaction.
It's
we
think
it's
a
good
tool.
We
have
two
rooms
set
up
at
our
carson
city
campus,
where
we
use
that
system
for
communication
scenarios,
use
of
force
scenarios,
community
relations,
all
all
kinds
of
scenarios
we've
just
purchased,
purchased
a.
A
So
that's
I
want
to
ask
you
about
the
milo
system,
so
there
are
multiple
scenarios
that
you
can
run.
Somebody
through
is
that
correct.
A
O
N
J
O
O
Good
sure
might
show
up
for
the
record,
so
one
of
the
issues
is
mistake
of
fact:
shootings
right
where
the
officer
perceives
an
object
in
a
suspect's
hand
and
perceives
it
to
be
a
firearm
when,
in
fact
it's
not
we
based
on
that
officer's
reaction,
we
can
run
a
scenario
where
it
is
a
firearm
or
it
isn't
a
firearm
and
try
to
work
on
those
mistake
of
fact,
type
use
of
force.
Incidents
when
they're
contacting
that
person
in
the
field.
A
O
I
might
show
like
for
the
record:
I
want
to
be
careful
about
that
for
training
purposes.
We
do
yes.
O
Mike's
right
for
the
record,
let
me
let
me
be
clear:
in
a
basic
training
environment
if
they
are
unable
to
successfully
make
proper
decisions,
they
will
be
removed
from
the
academy.
So
from
that
standpoint
absolutely
do
we
keep
record
and
they
must
successfully.
O
No,
my
sherlock
for
the
record,
so
it
depends
on
what
point
we
are
in
the
academy
whether
or
not
they
should
have
and
and
look
from
a
constitutional
standpoint.
We
have
to
be
clear.
You
know.
O
O
O
A
Who,
I
think,
are
all
good
lawyers
actually
and
what
what
I'm
asking
you
is
in
that
scenario,
where
you're
training,
people
for
use
of
force
or
mistaken
fact
shootings?
Are
you
accounting
for
the
implicit
racial
bias
of
the
trainee
officer.
O
A
Take
the
shot
five
times,
not
take
the
shot
the
other
five
times,
and
that
would
be
a
50
accuracy
rate
and
you're
telling
me
that,
whether
the
five
times
they
took
the
shot
and
the
five
times
they
didn't
were
random
or
whether
the
five
times
it
took
the
shot.
It
was
a
person
of
color
and
the
five
times
they
didn't.
The
person
was
white.
You
wouldn't
have
any
idea
which
which
of
the
two
scenarios
happened.
O
A
I
do,
but
it
still
sounds
like
you're
saying
that
it's
not
mathematical,
it's
based
on
the
training
officer
standing
there
and
watching
me
and
saying:
oh,
I
I
think
you
tend
to
take
the
shot
when
you're
looking
at
somebody
who's
a
person
of
color.
Not
I
took
I,
I
tallied
it
up
and
you
took
the
shot
three
out
of
five
times
when
the
person
was
a
person
of
color
and
zero
out
of
five
times
when
the
person
was
white.
O
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
more
from
my
understanding,
because
I'm
not
really
familiar
with
this
space.
We
talked
about
the
fitness
for
duty
exam.
Can
you
tell
me
how
often
that
happens.
O
D
O
Yes,
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
what
I'm
getting
at
is
we're
attempting
not
to
make
our
our
concern
was
that
the
regulation
that
we
put
forward
could
be
construed
as
a
mandated
fitness
for
duty
exam,
and
so
I'm
simply
saying
that
we
are
working
on
language
to
ensure
that
it's
not
construed
that
way,
but
rather
a
behavioral
health
check-in
for
the
officer.
O
Mike
sherlock,
for
the
record
so
to
be
certified
in
nevada,
you
must
pass
a
physical
readiness
test.
Yes,.
O
No
mike
sherlock
for
the
record
thanks
for
the
question,
because
this
comes
up
quite
often,
and
we
are
hoping
to
to
kind
of
clarify
that
area
of
our
regulations,
but
currently
nevada
post
is
certifying
at
the
moment.
You
receive
your
basic
certificate.
O
D
Okay,
do
you
have
any
annual
tests
for
the
officers.
O
So,
thank
you
mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
so
we
have
annual
certificate,
maintenance,
maintenance,
training
requirements
and
perishable
skills
proficiency
requirements
that
must
occur
every
year.
These
are
things
like
training
in
implicit
bias,
de-escalation
and
then
again
and
all
the
perishable
skills,
less
lethal
weapons,
firearms
arrest,
control
techniques
must
be
demonstrated
annually.
D
O
Mike
sherlock
for
the
record,
no
ab36
requires
an
annual
behavior
wellness
visit
and
that
goes
into
effect.
January
of
2023.
D
So
do
you
know
how
you
and
I'm
sorry
again,
I'm
not
familiar
with
this
space,
so
this
is
where
the
questions
are
coming
from,
and
so
how
did
you
guys
keep
track
of
the
officer's
mental
health?
If
anything
was
happening
was
not
happening?
I
don't
think
there
needs
to
be
a
triggering
event
for
there
to
be
a
mental
health
issue
right.
These
officers
go
and
they're
working
on
the
streets
on
a
daily
basis.
O
Yeah
mike
sherlock,
for
the
record
look,
I
would
agree
with
you.
I
I'm
I'm
specifically
talking
to
the
fitness
for
duty
issue,
but
we
we
would
agree
with
you.
We
we
think,
that's
a
a
good
thing.
O
You
get
into
a
whole
a
different
area
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
establishing
a
standard
for
what
means
you
know
what
the
standard
is
for
excess,
acceptable,
behavior
health
limits
that
that's
a
different
issue
and
obviously
something
that
we
haven't
gone
into-
that
that's
a
different
issue
than
when
you're
talking
about
a
job
task
analysis
for
physical
requirements.
O
Right
we
would.
You
know
we
did
a
full
study
on
what
those
physical
requirements
are
and
that's
a
different
issue.
D
D
Okay
and
for
the
initial
certification
that
the
officers
have
to
go
through
is
mental
health
included.
In
that
initial.
O
A
Oh
all
right
go
ahead.
Vice
chairwin.
N
I
will
be
really
quick
just
to
make
it
clear,
so
you,
as
as
post,
make
a
distinction
between
mental
health
and
physical
health.
You
don't
just
see
that
as
health
care.
N
Okay
and
then,
secondly,
you
had
indicated
that
there
is
that
initial
through
289.
I
think
you
said
point
one
sec
about
the.
I
guess
a
psychological
like
assessment,
and
that
is
that
done
through
the
agencies,
or
is
that
done
through
post.
O
Mike
shock
for
the
record,
so
it
is
a
requirement.
289
110
requires
specific
things,
and
it
is
a
requirement
we
are
tasked
with
ensuring
that
those
mandates
are
complied
with
with
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
state.
So
we
don't
actually
do
the
test,
but
we
audit
agencies
to
ensure
that
they're
doing
things-
and
I
will
add
that
the
psychological
exam
includes
a
requirement
that
that
they
inquire
into
any
implicit
bias
on
the
part
of
that
prospective
officer.
O
It
also
includes
a
requirement
that
they
do
a
truth:
verification
exam
which
polygraph
or
cvsa,
and
do
a
personal
history
investigation
on
on
that
individual.
That's
perspectively
going
to
be
hired.
N
O
Mike
shark,
for
the
record
again,
we
look
at
what
is
currently
happening
across
the
state,
and
so
I
would
not
characterize
it
as
a
minimal,
because
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
again
I
used
washoe
county
before
they
have
a
very
extensive
program
dealing
with
behavioral
health
and
behavioral
health
visits
on
the
part
of
their
officers.
We're
looking
for
that.
O
Regulation
that
allows
some
flexibility
that
agencies
can
continue
using
what
works
for
them
right
now,
but
also
sort
of
helps
the
other
agencies
that
don't
have
a
robust
program
to
out
to
go
out
and
get
that
we
again.
I've
looked
at
some
very
good
programs
out
there
that
were
at
minimal
costs,
that
agencies
will
be
able
to
utilize
in
terms
of
behavioral
health
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
we're
pretty
excited
about
it.
O
I
think
again,
I
think
it's
much
more
than
minimal,
because
agencies
are
already
doing
it
and
those
that
don't
have
a
full
system,
and
I
think
most
do
but
that
don't
have
a
full
program
in
place.
This
will
be
the
catalyst
for
them
to
move
into
that.
A
All
right,
thank
you
again
for
your
presentation
and
to
the
members
of
our
committee
for
engaging
in
such
an
important
conversation.
A
R
R
R
It's
only
one
of
three
combined
sheriffs
and
chiefs
associations
in
the
united
states,
but
it's
different
than
the
other
two
associations
in
that
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs.
We
also
include
members
of
the
sheriffs,
the
police
departments,
state
and
nevada
agencies,
tribal
police,
school
police
and
that
names
a
few,
but
not
all
of
them,
and
so
as
such,
when
I
was
asked
to
provide
an
update
on
implementation
of
the
four
bills
from
the
81st
session.
R
So
I
can
speak
in
generality.
R
Generalities
of
the
agencies
that
responded
and
as
such
there
was
most
of
the
agencies
that
I
spoke
with,
had
compliance
with
the
passage
of
the
bills
prior
to
the
passage
with
so
there's
little
or
no
impact,
but
I
will
go
into
each
bill
and
describe
them
separately
if
you
search
so
choose
senate
bill
50
from
the
81st
session
generally
talks
about
the
no
knock
arrests
and
all
of
the
agencies
that
I
had
discussions
with
had
passed
laws
prior
to
the
session.
So
there
was
no
impact
on
the
agencies,
but
they
did.
R
R
Ab-186,
as
in
the
above
three
bills.
It
was
two
bills
I
apologize.
It
was
reported
to
me
that
agencies
do
not
have
policy
requirements
for
certain
number
of
traffic
citations
or
certain
number
of
arrests
over
any
period,
otherwise
known
as
the
quotas.
This
bill
was
reported
to
me
as
no
impact
from
agencies
that
responded.
However,
I
will
say
that
sheriff
allen
does
have
some
comments
that
he
would
like
to
put
on
the
record
senate
bill.
2
212
is
a
very
lengthy
bill
and
it
consists
of
many
facets.
R
However,
in
regards
to
agencies
reporting
to
the
central
repository,
which
was
which
is
section
3.3,
subsection,
1
and
speaking
with
erica
souza
she's,
the
division
manager
for
dps
records,
communication
and
compliance
her
office
has
not
obtained
the
funding
necessary
in
order
for
them
to
implement,
implement
the
use
of
force
data
collection,
as
required
under
this
section,
they're
planning
to
go
to
the
august
ifc
for
funding
so
that
they
can
begin
work
on
this
project.
Erica
is
present
today
via
the
phone
system.
A
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
with
the
priorities
and
then
we'll
do
all
the
questions
at
the
end?
Okay,.
R
Thank
you
for
the
for
the
record
pamela
del
porto
executive
director
for
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs,
one
of
the
first
priorities,
and
that
came
to
my
attention
from
a
discussion
with
senator
harris
and
assemblyman
o'neill
is
the
long-term
care
and
treatment
for
continuity
to
stabilize
the
mentally
ill
to
reduce
the
number
of
mentally
ill
incarcerated
within
detention
and
correction
statewide.
R
A
second
priority
is
effective
legislative
action
to
assist
in
the
reduction
of
the
number
of
catalytic
converter
thefts
that
is
occurring.
Statewide.
I've
done
some
research.
I
am
not
an
expert
at
all
on
catalytic
theft,
but
in
in
my
research
recent
research
there's
a
number
of
states
that
have
that
have
implemented
laws
that
would
limit
who
can
legally
buy
or
sell
catalytic
converters
and
how
you
know
the
processes
and
how
they
do
that
and
what
documentation
is
necessary.
R
The
other
area
that
came
to
me
was
that
to
increase
some
penalties
for
persons
that
are
in
possession
of
these
catalytic
converters
in
multiple,
you
know
more
than
three
or
four
without
a
license
to
buy
or
sell,
and
the
third
one
is.
Third,
priority
would
be
to
work
with
legislators
to
lower
the
threshold
for
trafficking
and
sales
amounts
of
fentanyl
and
include
higher
penalties
due
to
the
increased
number
of
overdoses
and
or
deaths
in
nevada
communities.
R
R
There
are
a
thousand
milligrams
in
one
gram,
so
I
I
and
to
for
me
I'm
a
baker
I'm
like
well,
what
is
a
gram
of
fentanyl
and
a
gram
is
about
the
equal
of
a
quarter
teaspoon
of
sugar,
and
so
you
divide
that
into
a
thousand
a
thousand
milligrams
and
it's
like
an
incredible
amount
of
possible
overdoses
or
and
or
deaths.
So
that's
what
that's
the
three
large
or
three
priorities
for
law
enforcement
that
I
that
have
been
reported
to
me.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
All
right
sheriff
allen
did
you
also
want
to
weigh
in
on
the
sheriffs
and
chiefs
implementation
of
last
session's
bills.
M
Yes,
I
would
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
I
do
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
speak
in
front
of
you.
Sometimes
us,
out
in
rural
nevada
feel
that
there's
only
one
county
that
you
guys
only
see
one
county
in
this
state
and
sometimes
two
there's
actually
17.,
and
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
share
a
little
bit
about
humboldt
county,
we're
located
in
northern
nevada
when
amok
is
our
county
seat,
we're
encompassed
by
10
000
square
miles
with
our
population
of
about
17
000..
M
My
agency,
the
humboldt
county
sheriff's
office,
is
about
65
total
staff
with
about
35
sworn.
So
I
want
to
be
able
to
put
that
in
perspective,
but
my
law
enforcement
career
has
has
is
ranges
40
years
matter
of
fact,
director
sherlock,
who
just
spoke.
He
and
I
went
to
the
same
academy
back
in
1984.,
so
I've
seen
a
lot
of
changes
throughout
my
career.
I've.
M
G
So,
let's
get
away
from
from
this
idea
that
every
person
who
who
who
has
a
use
of
force
against
them
from
an
officer
deserves
it.
That
just
is
not
true.
That's
been
demonstrated
time
and
time
again
and
I
I
just
can't
hear
any
longer
that
if
people
just
comply
then
use
of
force
will
go
away.
We
know
that's
not
true.
We
have
seen
folks
of
color
who
have
died
while
calling
the
officer,
sir.
G
M
Thank
you
senator
harris,
and
with
that
I
did
have
an
example
that
that
I
did
want
to
raise
that
I
encountered
through
my
career
one
day,
traveling
back
on
interstate
80
outside
of
lovelock
nevada,
probably
about
I
guess
I
would
guess
it
was
about
seven
eight
miles,
which
is
very
desolate.
M
There
was
an
individual
on
the
freeway
and
trying
to
stop
traffic.
You
could
tell
that
this
individual
was
in
a
mental
health
crisis,
or
at
least
I
did.
I
was
going
the
opposite
direction,
because
I'm
a
law
enforcement
officer,
I
felt
it
was
my
duty
to
turn
around
to
ensure
the
safety
of
that
individual,
as
well
as
as
the
the
motorist
passing
by
I,
I
stopped
my
vehicle
I
put
on
my
bulletproof
vest
because
I
didn't
wear
one
at
the
time,
I'm
in
a
plane,
close
assignment,
and
I
turn
my
vehicle
around.
M
M
So
so
you
have
one
uniform
person
there
and
you
have
one
person
who's
in
plain
clothes
there,
the
the
individual
on
the
freeway
immediately
took
a
dislike
to
the
person
in
uniform
and
and
we
were
both
using
what
I
would
call
de-escalation
techniques
and
he
took
immediate
liking
to
me
because
I
didn't
have
that
command
presence
or
or
the
uniform
to
intimidate.
But
but
we
come
across
all
these.
M
These
type
of
situations
and
no
certain
situation
is,
is
the
right
choice
all
the
time
so,
but
I
I
think
that
that
sometimes
the
uniform
alone
is
enough
to
set
a
person
off
so
so
I
do
appreciate
your
your
comments,
senator
harris
and
you
have
more
experiences
and
experiences
about
this
than
than
what
I've
seen,
and
I
do
agree
that
training
in
that
area,
for
example,
us
in
winnemucca,
I
would
think,
would
go
a
long
way
or
in
a
humble
county,
but
I
did
want
to
touch
on
that.
M
So
we
were
asked
to
go
over
the
certain
bills
that
the
executive
director
stated,
and
you
know,
senate
bill.
50
no
knock
warrants,
as
she
said,
no
impact.
You
know,
through
40
years
and
being
in
law
enforcement.
I've
only
seen
this
used
twice
in
my
career.
M
You
know
other
areas
are
different,
but
we
use
the
guidelines
set
forth
by
by
the
wh.
What's
in
the
in
the
law,
so
I
do
have
some
some
things
on
senate
bill,
212
impacting
use
of
force,
which
is
section
3.7
number
one
in
carrying
out
his
or
her
duties.
M
M
I
would
like
to
ask
you
guys
a
question
on
clarifying
the
legislative
intent
of
this,
so
it's
in
my
question
would
be
and
I'm
familiar
with
case
law
that
states
law
enforcement
does
not
have
duty
to
protect
an
individual
against
himself,
so
our
peace
officers
to
stand
down
if
the
threat
is
only
against
himself
or
herself.
M
A
It's
a
little
unorthodox
for
the
committee
to
take
questions
from
the
presenters
during
their
presentations,
but
I
am
open
to
new
ways
of
facilitating
discussions
and
we
have
a
volunteer
here
to
answer
your
questions
and
so
I
will
hand
it
over
to
assemblymember
summers:
armstrong.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
there
is
a
significant
video
record
of
the
discussions
on
this
bill
that
were
before
both
the
assembly
and
as
well
as
before
the
senate,
judiciary
committees.
I
spoke
at
both
of
those
I
brought
witnesses
and
the
imminent
danger
specifically
relates
to
an
incident
that
happened
here
in
nevada,
where
someone
was
shot
in
the
back
running
away
from
the
police,
and
so
the
imminent
danger
had
to
do
with
whether
or
not
that
person
posed
a
a
significant
threat
immediately
at
that
moment
to
a
police
officer.
P
A
And
we
have
a
volunteer
to
supplement
senator
harris.
G
G
I
believe
the
intent
there
is
not
to
necessarily
completely
stand
down,
but,
as
we
just
mentioned,
this
is
about
the
use
of
deadly
force,
and
so
an
officer,
I
hope
we
all
can
agree,
should
not
kill
someone
who
only
poses
a
threat
to
themselves
as
opposed
to
the
officer
or
a
third
party.
Anything
short
of
deadly
force
is
not
prohibited
by
this
law
and
I'm
sure
you're
aware
there's
a
wide
range
of
of
force
between
nothing
and
deadly
force.
All
of
that
would
be
appropriate
under
the
law.
M
Thank
you.
I
do
appreciate
those
clarifications
and
I'll
change
up
my
information
and
not
not
answer
or
ask
any
questions,
but
through
here
you'll
see
that
there
are
some
questions
here.
Can
I
have
the
floor
still,
madam
chair.
M
You,
okay,
so,
furthermore,
on
senate
bill,
212
impacting
use
of
forces,
the
peace
officer,
and
so
this
is
section
four
number
c.
The
peace
officer
informs
a
member
of
the
medical
staff
that
a
restraint
chair
will
be
used.
M
A
member
of
the
medical
staff
conducts
a
medical
evaluation
of
the
person
immediately
before
and
immediately
after
the
person
is
placed
in
a
restraint
chair.
This
is
one
of
my
comments
that
I
made
earlier,
so
you
have
an
agency
like
humboldt
county
and
I
know
we're
not
the
only
ones,
but
we
don't
have
24
7
medical
staff
on
on
hand.
M
We
were
just
fortunate
enough
through
the
covid
money,
the
carers
at
or
the
other
one
to
be
able
to
hire
a
nurse
that
in
there
four
days,
four
days
a
week
at
10
hours
a
day
per
shift.
M
So
you
know
so
this
really
limits
our
ability
to
protect
the
individual
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
once
again.
40
years
on
the
first
arrest
that
I
was
ever
involved
in
the
the
arrestee
becomes
violent,
and
you
know
at
that
time
the
standard
was
a
straitjacket.
He
was
extremely
violent.
He
he
had
it
be
put
in
a
straitjacket
and
also
we
had
to
put
place
a
helmet
on
his
head
because
he
was
banging
his
head
against
the
cell
door.
M
We
still
see
this
type
of
behavior
where
people
are
banging
their
head
against
the
cell
door
or
the
putting
their
fists
through
some
glass
on
the
cell
doors,
so
is
what
we
do
are,
and
we
haven't
used
our
restraint
chair
for
some
time,
but
but
the
restraint
chair
is
a
good
tool
that
we
can
use,
but
under
these,
under
this
law,
it's
almost
like.
We
can't
use
it
because
we
have
to
have
a
medical
staff
on
hand.
M
The
other
thing
that
came
up
is
is
I'm
confused
on
how
the
medical
staff
does
conduct
an
evaluation
if
the
person
is
combative
like
I
just
described,
because
he
is
out
of
control,
it's
it's
very
difficult
to
conduct
a
medical
evaluation
on
somebody
who
doesn't
want
to
have
that.
But
I
want
to
further
the
restraint
chair
is
a
good
tool
to
assist
jail
staff
in
limiting
injuries
to
both
jail
staff
and
the
person
being
booked
or
detained
in
a
jail
on
the
quotas.
In
citations
into
her
arrest.
M
So
we
do
not
have
a
quota
at
our
agency,
but
is
what
we
are
experiencing
is
pushback
from
our
employees
to
go
out
and
do
their
job,
and
I
do
feel
that
you
know
it
comes
down
to
the
definition
on
quotas
and
citations,
because
that's
how
we
not
just
just
traffic
stops
or
citations
their
activity
level.
We
evaluate
people
in
and
that's
that's
how.
M
M
M
According
to
the
cdc-
and
you
know,
one
thing
is
a
few
years
ago
under
gov
governor
sandoval,
he
had
a
opioid
summit
down
in
las
vegas
and
during
that
summit
it
was
placing
a
lot
of
the
onus
on
doctors
over
prescribing,
opioids
and
also
the
pharmaceutical
companies.
M
But
now
we're
still
not
seeing
a
slowdown
and,
as
I
said
once
again,
I've
been
in
this
for
for
about
40
years,
and
I
have,
I
personally
believe
a
tough
on
crime
approach,
in
my
opinion,
will
help
reduce
the
overdose
rates,
drug
experimentation,
use,
drug
use,
drug
sales
and
drug
trafficking
on
another
thing
that
that
came
up
is
mentally
ill
in
jail.
We
don't
incarcerate
due
to
someone
being
mentally
ill.
We
incarcerate,
because
someone
has
probable,
cause
to
believe
that
a
certain
person
committed
a
certain
crime
turns
out
a
lot
of
time.
M
M
So
we
have
some
unique
challenges
on
our
own
out
in
the
rural
areas,
but
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
are
taking
place:
one
we
are
moving
to
telehealth
type
services
in
our
jail
and
the
state
is
now
pushing.
They
were
received,
a
grant
for
basically
a
telehealth
type
program
for
our
patrol
deputies,
who
are
out
in
the
field.
M
One
program
that
comes
up
a
lot
is
the
stepping
up
program.
A
few
years
ago,
I've
probably
been
about
three
years
ago.
I,
the
national
sheriff's
association,
flew
me
back
to
washington
dc
to
discuss
this
problem
specifically.
As
a
result,
more
grant
funds
were
supposed
to
be
released
to
help
treat
mentally
ill
in
in
the
jail
or
to
help
people
stay
out
of
jail,
but
one
of
the
programs
that
came
up
is
stepping
up
the
stepping
up
program.
M
However,
if
you
look
at
this
program
is
what
it
is,
is
the
sheriffs
are
supposed
to
refuse
to
take
anybody.
Who's,
incarcerated
or
who's
been
placed
under
arrest
into
their
jail
is
the
way
I
see
it,
but
in
nevada
we
have
a
law
that
that
sheriffs
can't
refuse
a
booking
from
from
anyone.
So
with
that
that
that
program
doesn't
fit
for
at
least
humboldt
county,
and
I
can
only
speak
on
behalf
of
humboldt
county
and
in
there
also,
it
wants
some
resources
and
we
don't
have
the
clinicians
in
humboldt
county.
M
The
psychologist
the
psychiatrist
stuff
like
that.
So
we
are
hoping
that
the
program
that
the
state
health
department
is
pushing
out
for
rural
areas
might
have
an
impact
for
us.
So
with
that
once
again,
I
appreciate
your
guys's
time
on
there
and
I'd
open
up
to
any
questions
that
you
guys
would
have.
A
All
right
so
at
this
point
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
questions
for
for
both
of
our
speakers
on
this
topic.
Do
we
have
questions
up
here
in
las
vegas?
Okay,
go
ahead!
Vice
chairwin.
N
A
Q
Q
Q
Sheriff
allen,
I'm
going
to
phrase
this
as
a
question:
it's
difficult
when
you
go
to
work
when
you
were
in
patrol
in
uniform
or
in
your
investigative
experiences,
did
you
go
to
work
to
serve
your
community,
no
matter
what
the
color
and
their
social
racial
financial
aspects
were.
You
were.
Is
that
fair
to
say
you
were
there
to
serve
them
and
that
your
officers,
you
instilled
that
in
your
officers,.
A
A
Everybody
who
sits
on
this
interim
joint
committee
also,
I
think
everybody
also
sat
on
the
judicial
judiciary
committee
in
their
respective
houses
before
we
got
to
the
interim
and
both
of
those
committees
heard
numerous
presentations
from
all
kinds
of
community
organizations,
law
enforcement
organizations,
members
of
the
public,
other
elected
officials,
about
implicit
bias
in
policing,
and
I
think
that
you
know
as
the
chair
of
this
committee,
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
I
have
taken
all
of
that
information
into
account
under
consideration
and
find
that
the
evidence
is
overwhelming,
that
there
is
implicit
bias
in
policing
and
so
any
conversations
that
we
have
going
forward
about
use
of
force
about
improving
community
relations
about
de-escalation
are
starting
from
a
standpoint
of
acknowledging
recognizing
and
understanding
that
implicit
bias
happens
to
everybody.
A
Everybody
has
them.
Police
officers
are
not
exempt,
and
so
again,
when
we
have
these
conversations,
we're
starting
from
you
know
that
that
is
our
square.
One
is
understanding
that
these
biases
exist
and
that
they
have
extremely
detrimental
and
even
fatal
impacts
on
communities
of
color
and
on
people
with
other
kinds
of
you
know:
statuses,
minority
statuses,
and
so
we
we
start
from
there.
A
So
I
wanted
to
want
to
make
that
clear
for
any
of
the
presenters
today
next
month
or
going
into
the
next
session
that
these
committees
have
considered
the
the
data,
the
evidence
and
numerous
presentations
and
legal
research
to
come
to
these
conclusions
and
that
that
is
our
baseline.
And
with
that
we
will.
Thank
our
agenda
item
number
five
presenters
and
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
six,
which
is
a
presentation
from
the
department
of
public
safety.
S
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
apologize,
it
took
me
a
few
minutes
to
figure
out
how
to
turn
on
my
camera
and
my
my
microphone
this
morning.
I'm
amy
davey
with
the
nevada
office
of
traffic
safety
and
the
department
of
public
safety,
and
there
are
several
members
of
the
department
of
public
safety
here
this
morning
to
provide
some
information.
I
see
deputy
director,
sherry
briggman
on
the
line
deputy
director.
Did
you
want
to
introduce
this
topic
line.
D
I
don't
think
anybody
better
than
you
could
do
it
amy,
but
I
do
know
that
we
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
where
we
are
with
the
brazos
project
and
the
citations
and
the
concerns
we
have
with
not
being
able
to
meet
the
deadlines
to
do
some
final
decisions
on
the
citations
and
so
amy
will
bring
you
up
to
date.
On
some
of
that
information,
we
also
have
erica
here
with
rccd
who
will
bring
you
up
on
the
knox.
D
I
think
they
have
a
little
bit
more
positive
information
on
getting
through
that
we're
all
online.
I
believe,
and
then
we
all
have
our
support
teams
available
to
help
with
the
technical
questions
should
you
have
any
of
those
as
well,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
it
to
administrator
amy
davey
from
the
office
of
traffic
safety
to
fill
you
in
sure.
Thank
you.
S
S
I
know
that
you've
had
many
stakeholders
come
and
speak
to
the
committee,
the
judiciary
and
law
enforcement
to
talk
about
how
changes
are
being
made
in
the
process
and
the
dps
as
part
of
that
process.
The
two
specific
areas
that
we
are
part
of
that
process
is,
as
deputy
director
said,
one
with
the
nevada
offense
codes
or
what
we
call
the
knock.
The
department
of
public
safety
is
sort
of
the
guardian.
S
If
you
will
of
implementation
for
knots
and
the
erika
souza
and
her
team
are
going
to
speak
about
how
that's
going
from
the
rccd
division
for
my
division,
we
are
the
caretakers
or
the
managers
of
the
statewide
data
system
that
we
call
it's.
Actually.
The
name
has
changed.
S
With
me
today
I
have
two
specialists
on
this
project:
my
traffic
records
program
manager,
kevin
tice
and
from
our
from
our
data
system,
vendor
tyler
technologies.
We
have
the
project
manager
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
in
the
process
of
implementation
to
change
the
citations
in
this
statewide
system.
So
if
I
could,
I
will
have
mr
nieberline
and
mr
price
both
turn
on
their
cameras
and
and
speak.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
kevin
tice,
I'm
the
traffic
records
manager
for
the
office
of
traffic
safety
and,
as
amy
mentioned,
I
oversee
the
contract
with
tyler
technologies,
which
is
the
tool
that
we
have
for
law
enforcement
and
the
ports
for
all
e-citations
and
he
crashes,
and
the
implementation
of
ab116
kind
of
presented
some
challenges
that
we
anticipated
and
carl,
and
I
you
know,
worked
early
on
to
try
to
identify
some
stakeholders
that
we
thought
could
help
us
get
those
questions
answered.
E
E
E
L
K
K
We
have
several
different
identified
areas
where
we
have
to
create
extensive
development
changes
in
order
to
implement
a
civil
traffic
citation
system
in
the
state
of
nevada.
One
of
the
hurdles
that
we
encounter
is
the
updating
of
the
nevada,
sense
codes
or
knocks
that
nugenox
were
just
published
recently.
I
believe
it
was
yesterday
so
now
what
will
happen
is
each
law
enforcement
agency
will
have
to
receive
an
extract
of
their
offenses
list,
which
is
the
list
of
offenses
that
reside
on
their
electronic
ticketing
devices?
K
K
We
have
not,
as
of
today,
received
instructions
from
a
single
court
as
to
what
they
would
like
to
have
a
violator
receive
on
a
printed
copy
of
the
citation
to
provide
instructions
on
how
to
resolve
that
citation.
In
the
instance
of
a
civil
traffic
citation,
we
will
need
to
have
instructions
from
every
single
court
in
order
to
accomplish
that
to
be
able
to
issue
those
civil
citations.
K
The
state
of
nevada
is
connected
in
a
very
elaborate
system
of
interfaces
between
electronic
systems.
All
of
those
interfaces
will
have
to
be
updated
to
accommodate
a
new
record
type
of
civil
traffic
citation
flowing
through
them.
The
tyler
tech
technology
sides
of
those
interfaces
we
have
confidence,
will
be
updated
and
would
be
ready
to
go
easily
in
time
for
the
deadline.
K
K
There
is
no
court
in
the
state
that
can
manage
that
avalanches
paper.
Currently
that
I
am
aware
of,
we
will
also
have
significant
development
work
to
do
on
the
back
end
of
the
system,
updating
databases
and
data
types
in
order
to
handle
civil
citation
and
also
the
all
of
the
reporting
engines
that
are
used
to
aggregate
the
data
and
report
executive
level,
queries
so
that
you
know
what's
happening
with
citations
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
K
Finally,
on
june
1st
tyler
technologies
sent
the
state
of
nevada
notice
that
we
have
not
received
any
of
the
information
that
we
needed
to
have
by
june
1st
in
order
to
guarantee
completion
of
this
project
by
december
31st
of
this
year.
In
this
prop
project
from
a
project
management
standpoint
is
currently
in
jeopardy
because
of
the
lack
of
information
being
provided,
that's
necessary
to
update
the
system.
S
So
our
intent
is
not
to
come
today
with
a
laundry
list
of
problems.
Our
intent
is
to
more
kind
of
open
up
the
dialogue
about
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
and
trying
to
connect
to
all
of
the
the
various
stakeholders
and
and
we've
been
meeting
regularly
with
with
courts
with
law
enforcement,
and
everybody
has
a
piece
you
know
their
piece
of
it.
S
They
they've
got
disparate
systems
and
disparate
processes
and
and
practices
and
everybody's
got
a
piece
that
they're
working
on
and
we're
working
with
the
whole,
and
I
I
wanted
to.
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
come
and
give
an
update
on
on
where
we're
at
with
that
particular
implementation.
S
D
Good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
erica
suzuyamas
and
I'm
the
division
administrator
for
the
nevada
department
of
public
safety
records,
communications
and
compliance
division.
I
have
with
me
on
the
line
today.
Kendra
jones
kendra
is
a
program
officer
that
oversees
the
nevada,
offense
code,
otherwise
known
as
the
knock
program.
D
So
my
division
has
two
small
pieces
of
involvement
in
this
large
statewide
effort
to
implement,
implement
ab116
I'll,
provide
a
brief
update
on
the
status
of
the
requirement
of
the
repository
which
is
administered
by
my
division,
to
remove
from
its
databases,
all
records
of
bench
warrants
issued
for
a
person
who
failed
to
appear
in
court
in
response
to
a
citation
for
an
offense
which
ab116
established
as
a
civil
penalty.
D
I'll
then
hand
it
over
to
kendra
to
provide
an
update
on
the
status
of
the
noc
program's
efforts
to
duplicate
the
current
criminal
traffic
knocks
to
create
civil
knocks
so
the
records,
communications
and
compliance
division.
We
meet
regularly
to
determine
and
establish
our
procedures
and
discuss
the
purging
of
the
warrants.
From
the
statewide
system,
we've
sent
a
statewide
notification
out
to
all
of
our
criminal
justice
partners
advising
agencies
that
our
office
can
assist
with
purging
their
warrants
out
of
the
state
system.
D
If
the
agency
desires
our
office
office
to
perform
a
batch
purge
on
their
behalf,
they
must
submit
a
separate
ticket
request
to
eats
and
provide
the
list
of
warrants
previously
generated
in
the
report.
Provided
my
office
will
vet
the
request
prior
to
the
purge
and
authorize
enterprise
I.t
services
to
perform
the
purge.
We
do
require
that
the
requests
come
from
the
issuing
court
and
not
the
servicing
agency.
D
D
D
D
D
Unit
and
we
duplicated
3186
knox
and
that
was
based
off
of
the
criminal
knocks
that
were
previously
held.
That
now
have
dual
severity,
and
these
are
going
to
be
differentiated
in
each
handheld
device
by
the
verbiage
of
just
having
civil
in
front
of
each
of
the
descriptors,
and
the
reporting
that's
going
to
go
through
on
the
state
side
will
be
separated
by
different
codes
for
criminal
and
civil.
So
all
of
the
reporting
will
be
separate
and
we
have
finished.
B
D
D
I
think
we
need
some
help
with
getting
the
courts
all
on
one
page
and
given
the
different
districts.
It's
it's
difficult
for
you
know
herding
cats,
so
I'll
leave
it
to
you
to
ask
for
questions
or
give
us
direction,
we're
happy
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
help.
N
Thank
you
and
I'm
just
incredibly
impressed.
I
know
you
guys
have
been
working
tirelessly
tirelessly
on
getting
those
knock
codes.
So
congratulations
on
being
able
to
do
that,
and
I'm
just
really
happy
about
that
as
far
as
working
with
the
courts.
I
know
that
this
is
predominantly
falls
on
the
courts
of
limited
jurisdiction
and
it's
my
understanding
that
they
had
put
together
kind
of
a
lead
on
that.
Have
you
been
able
to
meet
with
the
lead
of
that,
or
are
you
trying
to
reach
out
to
all
of
the
individual.
E
This
is
kevin
tys
for
the
record.
We
we
have
met
with
judge
sarah
gosa
and
and
judge
zimmerman
they've
kind
of
coordinated
some
efforts
on
on
that
front
and
we've
participated
to
the
degree
that
we
shared
some
of
tyler
technology's
concerns
that
might
create
delays
and
tried
to
get
them
to
help
us
get
some
of
these
questions
answered,
and
they
have
definitely
participated
in
that
regard.
N
E
Well,
to
some
degree,
that's
true,
but
there
are
other
questions.
I
think
that
maybe
that
group
can't
answer,
for
instance,
whether
or
not-
and
we
may
make
this
decision
ourselves-
I
guess,
but
the
decision
to
put
criminal
violations
on
the
same
citation
as
a
civil
violation
would
create
lots
of
explanation
for
the
violator
that
that
might
be
confusing.
E
So
our
recommendation
is
that
they
be
separate,
but
that
question
has
remains
to
be
answered
by
all
of
the
jurisdictions
and
whether
or
not
a
warning
can
be
placed
on
the
same
citation
as
a
civil
infraction
or
a
criminal
will
also
create
a
lot
of
confusion.
So,
unfortunately,
their
our
recommendation
is
that
they
be
separated.
But,
as
carl
mentioned
in
his
presentation,
really
the
individual
courts
haven't
weighed
in
on
these
topics.
N
Do
you
know
if
you've
had
any
conversations
with
the
administrative
office
of
courts
and
mr
mccormick's
office
to
find
out
whether
or
not
they've
been
successful,
and
if
there
would
be
one
court
system
for
traffic
tickets
as
opposed
to
separate
systems
that
potentially
don't
interact
together
in
this
way?
Have
you
had
those
conversations
with
him
recently.
E
N
And
then
I
have
another
question
you
had
indicated.
Obviously
it
sounds
like
you
guys
would
prefer
if
the
courts
made
decisions
on
which
ftas
were
being
purged
prior
to
january,
1st
2023.
So
that
is
something
that
these
courts
can
do
in
preparation
to
make
the
transition
easier.
Is
that
correct?
Is
it
my
correct
understanding.
N
N
N
N
Thank
you
and
thank
you
all
for
your
work
and
if
I
can
be
helpful
in
facilitating
any
of
the
conversations
between
the
stakeholders,
please
reach
out.
P
Thank
you,
chair,
I'd
like
to
direct
this
question
to
the
gentleman
who
is
the
project
manager
at
the
software
company.
You
made
a
statement
that
the
project
is
in
jeopardy.
Could
you
please
sort
of
give
us
a
little
bit
more?
Is
it
in
jeopardy
because
it
can't
work?
Is
it
in
jeopardy
because
I
think
your
tyler
technologies
is
frustrated?
P
Is
it
in
jeopardy
because
you're
not
being
paid
or
or
what's
the
jeopardy?
Is
it
just
the
deadline
or
the
entire
project.
K
Carl
neighborline
here
for
the
record,
the
answered
your
questions,
the
all
of
the
things
that
you
just
mentioned.
The
only
reason
why
this
project
is
in
jeopardy
is
because
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
to
adjust
the
existing
development
and
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
to
do
the
new
development
in
order
to
incorporate
simple
traffic
citations
into
the
nevada
citation
system,
there's
no
problem
with
contractually
payment,
wise
restoration-wise
or
anything
there.
The
problem
is
just
a
matter
of
time.
K
We
have
a
january
1st
deadline
and
it
takes
a
considerable
amount
of
effort.
Development
lift
to
make
all
of
these
things
happen
and
to
get
all
these
pieces
in
place.
Additionally,
everything
that
is
done
has
to
be
tested
and
vetted
all
the
way
from
the
backend
servers
to
the
end
user,
each
law
enforcement
officer
here
in
nevada
and
because
of
that
and
what
we
know
about
how
long
those
processes
take,
because
we've
done
this
in
other
places,
both
nationally
and
also
here
in
nevada.
With
the
last
sessions
sb
236
updates.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
What
would
be
your
suggestion
about
what
we
should
do
as
a
state
to
make
future
processes
better,
because
we
know
that
our
criminal
justice
system
and
our
laws
change,
because
we
learn
more,
we
know
more.
We
we
are
always
trying
to
improve
ourselves.
S
Amy
davey
with
the
office
of
traffic
safety.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
two
things
have
come
to
the
forefront
on
this
project.
One
is,
there
was
no
clear
project
manager
for
for
for
this
project
and
I'm
not
speaking
just
about
the
department
of
public
safety.
We
can
manage
our
business
and
our
divisions,
but
there
was
no
project
manager
for
a
project
of
this
magnitude
or
a
designated.
S
You
know
one
designated
agency
if
you
will
to
coordinate
this
project.
Secondly,
I
think
you
know
timelines
are
always
best
guess
and
and
in
dealing
with
something
you
know
as
large
and
as
multifaceted
as
many
people,
and
then
you
throw
in
the
technology
component.
That
does
require
testing
and
and
development,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
the
timeline
may
have
been
while
it
was
a
long
time
in
planning.
I
know
that
this
the
civil
citation
discussion
has
gone
on
for
multiple
legislative
sessions.
M
P
So
if
this
has
been
a
a
multi-session
discussion,
were
these
concerns
brought
up
during
the
last,
because
I'm
I'm
brand
new,
so
this
is
new
to
me.
From
this
perspective,
were
these
concerns
brought
up
during
the
session?
I
don't
remember
it
being,
or
anyone
asking
us
during
our
hearings
to
ensure
that
we
worked,
that
we
appointed
somebody
as
a
project
manager
to
help
this
process
along.
S
That's
a
great
question:
this
is
amy
davey.
I'm
not
aware
that
the
dps
gave
any
testimony
on
this,
and
I
I
think
you
know
we
watch
and
we
wonder
about
how
things
sometimes
are
going
to.
You
know
come
together
and
we
have
been
extremely
appreciative
of
the
community
of
law
enforcement
and
court
systems
that
have
come
together
and
judge.
Sarah
goes
and
dead
zimmerman,
taking
the
lead
on
this,
but
no
to
to
your
question,
I
don't
know
that
we
came
and
gave
specific
testimony
on
our
piece
of
the
implementation.
P
Thank
you
so
in
my
previous
life,
I'm
lucky
enough
to
have
retired
this
year.
I
thank
the
lord.
I
we
we
did
a
project
like
this
and.
P
I
I
believe
that
the
people
inside
the
organizations
are
the
experts
to
help
us
implement
and
I
would
hope
in
future,
since
this
is
already
a
train
down
the
road
not
going
to
cry
over
spilled
milk,
as
my
grandmother
would
say,
but
number
one.
We
don't
want
to
lose
a
consultant
in
the
middle
of
a
project
and
then
have
to
start
at
square
one
number,
one
but
number
two.
P
P
Somebody
to
help
us
make
this
work
for
for
for
the
for
the
citizens
of
this
state,
because
it
doesn't
help
us
if
we
have
laws
that
we're
trying
to
implement-
and
we've
got
three
long
sheets
of
paper
that
we're
giving
people
that
don't
make
any
sense
to
anybody.
P
So
you
know
I'm
a
freshman,
I
hope
to
be
a
sophomore,
but
I
believe
that
the
the
elder
states
people
on
this
panel
are
accessible
and
they
would
listen
and
hear,
and
if
nothing
else
you
ask
me,
I'm
the
brat
and
I'm
gonna
speak
up
and
say
hey.
You
know
I
heard
this:
they
need
help
on
this.
Can
we
get
this?
We
have
to
be
able
to
hear
from
you
so
that
we
know
what
to
do
and
make
these
things
work,
because
our
constituents
are
depending
on
it
to
be
implemented.
S
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
just
want
to
correct
something
as
well.
We
did
reach
out
with
information
about
the
implementation
from
the
perspective
of
the
amount
of
time
that,
at
the
time
we
thought
it
would
take,
and
we
did
put
a
fiscal
note
on
the
bill
which
was
funded.
So
we
did
have
some
anticipation
of
of
being
here
in
the
process.
S
A
Q
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
try
to
make
this
quick,
and
it's
for
anybody
that
wants
to
chime
in
did
each
you
said
you
didn't,
have
a
project
manager
on
this
program
on
this
implementation
did
eats,
or
did
you
look
toward
them
for
assistance.
S
Is
amy
davey
from
the
office
of
traffic
safety,
there's
no
project
management,
media
necessarily
from
the
programming
side
or
the
I.t
side?
These
are
decisions
that
are
not
made
by
programmers
or
even
by
us
about
how
citations
should
be
reflected
or
how
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
dialogue
about
how
to
get
knock
codes
so
that
they
were
ready
to
run
these
dual
systems.
S
Those
were
all
decisions
that
that
that
we
that
were
not
involving
the
programming,
and
so
each
has
not
been
really
a
factor
in
this
we're
working
directly
with
the
with
the
system
consultant.
S
I'm
I'm
sorry,
mrs
andy,
for
the
record.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
explaining
myself
very
well.
It's
the
decisions
behind
how
the
system
needs
to
be
programmed
to
reflect
the
statute.
Statutory
changes.
There
are
nuances
to
those
decisions
that
really
come
out
of
the
legal
community
themselves,
the
courts
and
the
in
the
law
enforcement
agencies,
we're
just
the
guardians
of
the
system
and
we're
just
waiting
for
the
you
know
the
cookbook
that
says
go
make
this
meal
and
and
some
of
the
ingredients
are
missing.
S
We're
we're
able
to
you
know
as
soon
as
we
get
those
ingredients
we're
able
to
make
that
meal.
But
I
I
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
not
expressing
it
right.
D
So,
while
the
conversations
are
happening
and
a
lot
of
conversations,
good
conversations
are
happening
and
maybe
why
we
should
go
in
this
direction
or
why
the
citations
should
look
like
this
are
happening.
Who
is
to
make
those
decisions
and
in
some
cases
we
can
make
them?
You
know
we
can
arbitrarily
make
them,
but
is,
is
that
up
to
us?
We
can
do
that,
and
those
are
the
questions
we're
here
today
to
discuss.
Is
that
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
a
lot
of
what
we
can
do,
but
is.
Q
That
helps
me
considerably.
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
guess
I'm
disappointed
that
we
passed
legislation
and
prior
discussions
where
you're
coming
in
not
just
you
but
other
agencies
are
coming
in
and
asking
for
what
does
this
mean
so?
But
but
I
appreciate
it,
hopefully
we
can
get
it
addressed
for
you
and.
D
Thank
you,
yes,
and,
and
just
to
add
one
little
thing.
This
meeting
we
asked
to
be
put
on
the
schedule
for
today
only
to
give
you
this
update.
We
are
ready
and
willing
and
capable
to
meet
the
deadline.
D
From
our
point
of
view,
and
as
I
said,
we
can
make
this
decision,
we
can
make
it
with
the
intent
from
our
point
of
view,
but
again
we
know
that
the
legislators
intent
was
more
for
the
state,
not
just
from
our
point
of
view,
and
we
didn't
want
to
force
our
point
of
view
once
again
on
everybody
else.
So
there
you
have
it.
Thank
you.
A
I
just
have
a
brief
follow-up,
because
I'm
not
understanding
what
the
decision
is.
That
needs
to
be
made
that
that
you're,
saying
you're
not
sure
you're
the
right
person
to
make.
S
Well,
kevin
or
carl:
do
you
want
to
just
maybe
talk
about
a
few
of
the
items
that
are
that
are
outstanding,
that
we're
sort
of
waiting,
we're
sort
of
wondering
about
in
terms
of
making
those
decisions
on
our
own.
K
This
is
carl
niever
line
for
the
record
tyler
technologies,
some
of
the
important
pieces
of
information
that
are
missing
the
question
that
we
need
to
have
answered
a
chairperson
is,
for
instance,
what
information
do
you
want
to
present
to
a
violator
on
their
copy
of
the
citation
so
that
they
can
take
care
of
the
matter
with
the
court?
We
need
to
have
that
information.
It
takes
time
to
program
that
into
the
system
and
it's
unique
for
every
single
court.
K
There
is
no
unified
traffic
citation
in
the
state
of
nevada,
like
we
have
with
other
clients
around
the
country,
so
each
citation
is
custom
software
made
at
the
direction
of
the
agency
who
requested
it
and
the
courts
that
it
writes
into
without
having
the
information
like
such
as
that,
and
that's
one
example
of
one
of
the
questions
that
needs
to
be
answered,
we're
dead
in
the
water
and
we
can't
do
anything
other
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
or
questions
about
criminal
violations.
So.
A
Let's,
let's
go:
okay,
let's
go
one
by
one!
So
when
you're
talking
about
putting
the
information
on
the
ticket
that
I
understand
would
be
unique
to
each
courthouse,
you
know
what
time
their
arraignments
are,
whether
they
do
arraignments
or
pre-trial
conferences
who
made
the
decision
previously
like
on
the
current
tickets.
How
did
that
information
get
there.
L
K
Word
file
that
had
the
exact
verbiage
that
they
wanted
to
appear
on
the
citations
that
were
written
into
their
courts
as
the
system
was
implemented
over
those
several
years
and
all
the
courts
were
brought
online,
those
that
information
was
collected
from
each
of
them
and
added
into
the
system.
So,
once
again,
we
will
have
to
collect
that
information
from
each
of
them,
because
the
information
is
different
from
each
of
them.
They
all
have
different
websites
or,
like
you
said,
different
arrangement
dates
now
with
civil
citations.
K
K
I've
asked
the
state
for
that
information.
You
would
have
to
talk
to
the
the
my
counterparts
of
the
state
to
find
out
how
they
disseminated
that
request.
E
I
mentioned
it
to
judge
sarah
delsa
and
judge
zimmerman
when
they
began
their
meetings
on
the
topic
of
ab116,
and
I
asked
them
for
help
on
getting.
I
shared
the
this
list
of
questions
with
them
in
march
and
asked
for
their
assistance
in
communicating
with
all
of
the
courts
kind
of
as
a
liaison.
A
A
Okay:
let's
do
that?
What
is
the
next
question,
mr.
A
K
I'm
happy
to
not
be
on
your
list.
The
next
question
that
we'll
need
to
answer
is
what
season
fines
apply
to
civil
traffic
citations.
We
have
set
bail
schedules
that
we
receive
from
multiple
courts,
because
every
court
in
nevada
has
a
different
bail
schedule
and
different
plane
for
each
particular
charge.
So
we
need
to
know
what
the
what
the
fine
is
going
to
be
for
each
civil
charge,
the
administrative
assessments,
the
other
assessments
that
go
on
with
those
things.
We
also
need
to
find
out
how
they
want
to
handle
the
situation
with
speeding.
K
Several
courts
in
nevada
calculate
those
we
calculate
their
fines
on
the
device,
because
speeding
is
charged
at
a
certain
amount
per
mile
per
hour
over
the
speed
limit.
We
need
to
know
if
that's
continuing
and
if
that
is
continuing,
you
know
what
is
the
charge
going
to
be
for
a
mile
an
hour
over
the
speed
limit
that
information
all
has
to
be
presented
to
us
so
that
we
can
update
the
systems
appropriately.
K
I
think
the
next
question
we
can
probably
take
a
healthy
guess
at,
but
we
need
to
know
what's
in
reporting
systems,
there's
ad
hoc
reporting
capability
and
there's
also
system
generated
reporting
capability.
We
need
to
know
what
reports
are
going
to
be
requested
of
this,
so
that
we
can
provide
adequate
mapping
into
ad
hoc
reporting
systems,
the
information
from
each
nevada
citation
so
that
when
the
administrators
of
the
system
or
the
users
or
consumers
of
that
data
request
it
that
it
is
accurate
and
complete.
A
A
Okay,
the
peanut
gallery
has
suggested
that
perhaps
dps
has
a
list
of
data
points
that
we
need
to
collect
from
each
citation.
D
So
yes,
we
we
know
that
there
are
laws
that
specify
what
data
points
we
have
to
collect
for
a
number
of
them,
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
which
ones
they
are,
but
that
doesn't
mean
there
aren't
others
that
you
would
like
or
how
they
are
grouped.
Okay,.
A
So
could
dps
provide
to
tyler
technologies
a
list
of
the
data
points
that
they
are
currently
tasked
with
monitoring
and
collecting?
Okay.
Yes,
so
let's
do
that
and
start
there.
I
was
excited
about
going
through
this
ad
nauseam,
but
there
are
actually
more
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
than
I
even
realized.
So
I'm
going
to
ask.
A
A
And
so
that's
why
any
frustration
is
not
with
the
the
people
on
this
call
it's
with
bureaucracy,
and
so
since
I
guess
I'm
responsible
for
it
now,
I
am
going
to
do
my
best
to
you
know:
aid
in
getting
the
information
from
point
a
to
point
b,
where
it
needs
to
be
so
that
we
can
implement
ab116
and
stop
holding
people
criminally
accountable
for
parking
in
the
wrong
place,
and
so
with
all
that
being
said,
anybody
who
wants
to
weigh
in
on
the
the
questions
that
need
to
be
answered.
A
A
Q
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
don't
know
what
the
level
of
discussions
are
between
or
level
of
discussions
is
between
dps
and
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts,
but
I
believe
aoc
and
I
I
hope
they
don't
get
mad
at
me
for
saying
this.
I
think
they
might
have
some
money
that
dps
could
work
with
them
on
specifically
for
this
issue
of
trying
to
get
a
singular
ticket
throughout
the
state
of
nevada.
N
Dollars
I
I
also
have
been
getting
some
frantic
text
messages
from
some
of
the
courts.
It
sounds
like
they
do
have
a
meeting
coming
up
next
wednesday,
so
hopefully
there
will
be
some
clarification.
N
Obviously
we
would
have
all
wanted
that
before
the
deadline
of
june
1st,
so
you
would
be
able
to
quickly
implement
some
of
these
things,
but
hopefully
they
will
review
some
of
the
presentations
and
questions
that
came
up
today
and
with
the
assistance
of
all
of
the
people
on
this
committee,
I'm
sure
we
will
be
able
to
help
facilitate,
which
sounds
like
just
a
communication
issue.
So,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
guys
all
bringing
it
to
our
attention.
N
A
Agreed,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
to
present
and
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
out
agenda
item
number
six
because
we
have
a
whole
another
half
of
our
meeting
to
get
through
before
the
legislative
commission
needs
to
use
this
room
at
3
pm.
A
So
we're
going
to
take
a
very
short
break.
We're
going
to
take
15
minutes
to
grab
a
snack
grab.
Some
water
use,
the
restroom
and
the
members
we're
going
to
come
back
at
1
pm
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
the
indulgence
of
our
presenters
as
the
members
eat
at
the
dice
during
your
presentations.
It
is
not,
I
hope
you
don't
take
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect.
A
All
right,
we
are
going
to
call
this
committee
back
to
order.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
sticking
with
us
through.
Our
very
excuse
me
very
short,
lunch
break.
We
are
on
to
the
second
part
of
our
meeting
where
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
summary
evictions,
and
then
we
will
have
one
more
public
comment
before
the
end
of
our
meeting.
I
am
going
to
turn
the
proverbial
gavel
over
to
assemblywoman
summers:
armstrong
for
the
next
portion
of
this
meeting,
so
take
it
away.
P
Thank
you
so
much
cheers
shivel
and
thank
you
everyone
for
sticking
in
here
with
us
today.
I
am
assemblywoman
chandra
summers,
armstrong,
I'm
super
nervous,
but
we're
going
to
get
this
done
so
welcome
back
and
we
thank
you.
Those
here
that
are
in
present
in
las
vegas,
by
phone
and
also
in
northern
nevada,
we're
going
to
start
this
portion
of
the
meeting
with
the
nevada
realtors
and
would
like
to
invite
rocky,
finnish
and
tina
afric.
F
Chair
scheible,
assemblywoman
summers,
armstrong
for
the
record.
My
name
is
rocky
finnseth,
I'm
with
carrera
nevada.
Joining
me
at
the
table
today
is
miss
tina.
Afric.
Miss
africa
is
a
property
manager
here
in
southern
nevada,
and
I
believe
up
north
is
miss
tiffany
banks
she's
the
chief
legal
counsel
for
the
nevada
realtors,
as
well
as
jenny
reese.
My
colleague
at
career
nevada,
miss
afric,
is
going
to
take
the
committee
through
the
realtor's
presentation
today
and
with
your
indulgence
I'll
turn
it
over
to
miss
afric.
T
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me,
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
go
through
a
short
timeline
of
what
the
eviction
process
is
right
now
for
us,
as
property
managers.
Sometimes
I
think
there
might
be
a
misconception
that
we're
in
a
hurry
to
get
people
out
of
properties
which
is
really
not
the
case.
So,
for
instance,
this
month
we
start
collecting
rents
on
the
first
of
the
month.
T
We
give
all
of
our
tenants
until
the
fifth
of
the
month
to
pay
without
a
late
penalty
and
without
any
action
taken
against
them
on
the
sixth
of
the
month.
I
start
calling
all
of
my
past
due
tenants
and
asking
them.
When
can
we
expect
your
rent?
So
we
do
work
with
all
of
our
tenants,
if
at
all
possible,
so
we'll
ask
them
when
we
can
expect
their
rent,
we'll
let
them
know
if
you
can
get
rent
in
today.
We
can
waive
your
late
fee.
T
If
you
don't
get
rent
in
today,
then
we
may
have
to
start
the
seven
day
pay
or
quit
process
most
of
the
time.
The
tenants
will
get
back
to
us
and
say
I'm
going
to
pay
this
friday.
Whatever
the
case
is,
we
will
then
go
to
our
landlords
and
make
sure
it's
okay
with
our
landlords,
because,
ultimately,
our
landlords
are
our
clients.
Our
tenants
are
our
customers,
so
we
have
to
do
what
our
landlords
instruct
so
long
as
it's
legal
and
ethical.
T
So
from
that
point,
if
we,
if
we
get
the
rent,
obviously
we're
done,
we
usually
waive
most
late
fees
if
we
can
and
we
want
to
work
with
the
tenant.
The
most
important
key
here
is
communication.
If
our
tenant
just
ghosts
us-
and
we
don't
hear
from
them,
they
don't
respond
to
any
of
our
requests.
Then
at
that
point
we
are
forced
to
post
a
seven-day
payer
quit
the
eviction
process
does
take
some
time.
So,
from
the
time
we
post
a
seven-day
payer,
quit.
Of
course
it's
it's
seven
judicial
days.
T
We
all
know
that
the
courts
are
closed
on
fridays.
So
we're
really
talking
about
an
extra
two
weeks
for
the
tenant
to
then
come
in
and
bring
in
their
payment.
One
of
the
previous
presenters
had
called
in
and
said
that
the
money
is
applied
to
late
payments.
First,
that's
not
the
case.
Oh
that
change
in
the
legislative
session
I
think,
was
in
the
last
session.
All
rents
have
to
be
paid.
We
cannot
evict
anyone
based
on
late
fees
any
longer
so
that
if
they
never
pay
their
late
fees,
there's
no
steps
we
can
take.
T
We
just
have
to
wait
until
the
move
out,
at
which
point
we
will
likely
take
the
late
fees
from
the
deposit
and
pay
the
owner
with
that.
So
from
the
time
that
we
post
the
payer
quit.
Of
course
you
know
the
tenant
has
the
chance
to
answer
with
the
new
chat
program.
That's
in
place.
We
are
not
evicting
anyone
from
2020
to
today
we
have
literally
evicted
one
tenant,
one
tenant
and
I
manage
about
400
properties.
So
evictions
are
not
running
rampant,
at
least
among
property
managers.
We
have
no
desire
to
evict
anyone.
T
We
don't
want
to
contribute
to
the
homelessness
population.
We
want
to
work
with
our
tenants,
it's
costly
to
move
a
tenant
out.
We
then
have
to
turn
around
and
use
the
deposit
towards
the
past
due
rent
and
then,
of
course,
the
owner
will
then
of
course,
have
the
fees
to
still
clean
the
property
up,
because,
typically,
when
you
evict
someone,
you
do
not
get
the
property
back
in
the
best
of
shape.
It's
not
move-in
ready.
T
So
we're
really
talking
about
from
the
time
that
they
that
we
post
the
seven
day
pair
quit.
They
then
can
answer
the
payer
quit
and
at
that
point
it
it's
as
soon
as
they
answer
it.
We
then
go
into
the
mediation
program,
so
we're
talking
about
another
month
at
that
point
to
even
get
into
the
mediation
program.
So
now
you
take
one
late
payment.
That
was
that
we
post
this
seven
day
on
and
it's
taking
about
another
month
and
a
half
to
even
get
into
court.
T
If
we
get
into
court
and
then
at
that
point
of
course
they
can
apply
for
chat
funds.
We
are
a
big
advocate
of
chat
funds.
We
really
try
to
help
people,
even
if
we
can
see
they're
just
starting
to
struggle
and
are
just
starting
to
pay
late
every
month.
We
will
then
go
and
ask
them:
hey.
Listen.
Chat
might
be
a
good
program
for
you.
Even
if
you
don't
have
a
job
loss.
Maybe
you
have
reduced
hours,
it's
a
good
idea
to
at
least
get
a
cushion
of
one
or
two
months.
T
If
you
can
so
we
do
work
with
chap
quite
a
bit
and
we
do
encourage
our
tenants,
even
if
they
aren't
aren't
behind
on
rent,
but
we
can
notice
that
they're
starting
to
fall
behind.
We
will
then
give
them
the
information
to
apply
for
chap.
I,
of
course,
cannot
talk
for
every
property
manager,
but
I
do
know
a
lot
of
property
managers,
I'm
very
involved
in
our
association,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
do
not
know
any
property
managers
that
are
trying
to
evict
tenants
and
one
tenants
out
on
the
street.
T
We
are
always
there
to
try
to
provide
resources
and
information
to
help
them.
Unfortunately,
sometimes
we
do
get
to
a
point
where
we
must
evict
a
tenant.
Most
of
our
owners
are
mom
and
pop
owners.
I
hate
that
term,
but
you
know
what
I
mean:
it's
usually
a
single
owner
and
they
can't
pay
rent.
We
you
know,
the
chat
program
has
some
some
issues,
of
course,
but
when
an
owner
doesn't
get
rent
for
months
on
end,
these
are
not
corporations.
T
We'll
also
go
to
the
point
of
firing:
bad
landlords
if
I
have
a
landlord
that
is
not
cooperative
and
doesn't
take
advice
and
and
help
the
tenant
or
if
we
have
a
landlord
that
is
trying
to
raise
rent
by
500
at
a
time
we
fire
them.
I
I
won't
work
with
people
like
that.
I
know
a
lot
of
property
managers
won't.
I
also
think
it's
important
not
to
mix
in
self-managed
properties
with
professionally
managed
properties,
self-managed
properties.
P
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
presentation.
We
really
appreciate
you
all
being
here
and
for
sticking
around
to
share
this
information
with
us.
Does
anyone
here
in
las
vegas
have
any
questions
cher,
schreibel.
A
So
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
you
wanted
to
make
a
distinction
between
self-managed
properties
and
properties
that
utilize
a
property
management
company,
because
the
first
thing
that
pops
in
my
head
is,
I
would
think
that
people
who
employ
a
management
company
are
either
bigger
or
have
more
valuable
properties.
I
mean
they
have
to
pay
a
property
management
company.
So
is
your
group
of
properties
already,
you
know
on
the
more
expensive
end
of
properties.
T
Tina
afric
for
the
record.
No,
absolutely
not.
The
vast
majority
of
our
properties
are
single
owner
properties,
people
that
have
moved
out
of
state.
We
have
military,
we
have
retirees,
I
do
have
a
handful
of
owners
from
outside
the
country
that
own,
maybe
10
or
15
properties,
so
it
is,
rents
are
pretty
high
here.
So
most
people
can
hire
a
property
manager
you're,
not
talking
a
lot
of
money
for
a
property
manager.
So
I
have
properties.
I
have
four
plexes.
I
have
you
know
properties
as
low
as
eight
hundred
dollars
a
month.
T
No,
I
have
a
wide
array
of
properties,
but
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
single
owner
properties.
The
reason
I
want
the
distinction
between
owners
and
property
managers,
because,
as
property
managers,
we
understand
the
law.
We
know
what
our
legal
obligations
are
to
our
tenants.
We
know
what
our
legal
obligations
are
to
our
owners.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
individual
owners
do
not.
I've
had
to
help
my
nephew
who's
low
income,
and
you
know
I
went
into
the
property,
and
this
was
what
was
the
window
plexiglas,
so
I
turned
them
in.
T
G
Thank
you
so
much
chair
armstrong.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
help
us
with
the
disparity
between
what
we're
hearing
from
you
and
what
we
hear
from
others
about
issues
with
eviction.
G
You
know
I
I
can't
put
all
tenants
on
you
right
or
all
owners
on
you,
and
I
I
don't
just
you
know,
I'm
not
challenging
your
assertions
that
for
the
properties
that
you
manage,
there's
only
been
one,
but
how
do
we
square
right?
What
I'm
hearing
from
you
and
about
how
they
don't
really
want
to
kick
people
out
and
with
this
very
large
problem,
we're
hearing
from
tenants
that
they're
being
kicked
out
in
very
large
numbers
and
are
having
these
issues?
T
Africa,
for
the
record,
I
guess
I
would
say
I
haven't
heard
what
you're
hearing.
So
I
can't
truly
answer
that
I
do
know
there
are
issues
of
people
being
kicked
out.
Listen
when
we
evict
someone
we
evict
based
on
payment
of
rent,
and
so
I
guess
my
question
would
be
is
at
what
point
do
we
evict
someone
and
if
someone
isn't
able
to
pay
the
rent,
then
what
we're
going
to
do
is
try
our
best
to
see
if
there's
something
we
can
do.
T
I
have
tenants
call
me
every
single
month
with
my
car
broke
down
or
whatever
and
we
work
with
them.
We
don't,
I
guess,
there's
two
sides
of
every
story.
Maybe
I
don't
know
that
you're
gonna
hear
the
tenant
side
and
I
may
have
a
tenant
that
I've
had
to
evict
and
their
story
may
sound
vastly
different
than
my
story,
because
I
think
that
your
position
in
in
the
in
the
process
it
impacts.
How
you
view
the
process.
F
Senator
harris
rocky
finceth
for
the
record,
if
I
may
miss
afric,
really
reflects
the
the
bulk
of
our
property
managers.
These
are
the
stories
that
we
hear
so
as
as
we
walk,
you
know
as
we
walked
into
the
2021
session
and
we
were
having
these
debates
and
discussions.
We
saw
the
same
disconnect
that
you're
seeing
here
right.
So
I
would.
I
would
suggest
that
there
are
certainly
corporate
landlords
that
are
in
the
space.
N
Thank
you.
You
had
indicated
that
at
least
as
a
part
of
your
practice,
you
try
to
locate
or
determine
people
that
are
potentially
struggling
before
it
gets
to
that
point.
How
do
you
do
that.
T
Through
their
ledger,
so,
for
instance,
I
have
two
tenants.
I
had
to
post
pair
quits
on
this
month,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
the
yellow.
This
is
how
many
times
they've
been
late
before
I
finally
posted
a
pair
quit.
So
this
tenant
has
been
late
10
times
in
the
last
year,
considerably
late,
two
weeks,
late,
we've
never
taken
the
steps
to
a
victim.
I've
spoken
to
him
worked
it
out.
We
finally
had
to
post
a
pair
quit
because
he
wasn't
responding.
T
I
will
approach
somebody
like
this
and
explain
to
them
that
there
is
a
chat
program
that
if
because,
if
you're
paying
late
every
month,
you're
usually
struggling,
many
of
our
tenants
will
come
to
us
and
tell
us
they're
struggling
and
they
don't
know,
there's
assistance.
So
I'm
a
big
advocate
of
the
chat
program.
I
think
it's
a
great
program.
T
While
the
money
exists,
it's
a
short-term
solution,
obviously
to
a
potentially
long-term
problem,
but
it's
there
and
so
having
the
assistance
available
is
a
win-win,
because
now
the
tenant
is
going
to
get
their
rent
paid
and
the
owner
is
going
to
get
their
money
to
pay
their
bills.
Keep
in
mind
that
when
a
tenant
is
non-rent
paying,
the
owner
still
has
all
the
same
responsibility
as
if
the
tenant
was
rent
paying.
T
You
know
if
the
air
conditioner
goes
out,
they're
still
responsible
to
repair
that
the
water
heater
all
these
things
and
everything,
as
we
all
know,
is
getting
more
expensive
not
only
for
the
tenant
but
also
for
the
landlord.
So
I
I
just
I
would
say
that
you
know
we're
always.
I
can't
speak
for
everyone,
but
we
me
and
my
company
we're
always
going
to
do
our
best
to
try
to
come
to
a
solution
that
that
keeps
somebody
from
being
homeless.
Look
we're
people
too
driving
down
the
street
coming
here
and
seeing
all
the
homeless
it.
T
It
kills
me.
I
can't
I
can't
stand
seeing
it.
It
hurts
me
that
people
are
without
housing.
If
I
could
fix
it,
I
would
but
I
also
know
coming
from
the
other
side
of
things
and
seeing
the
landlords
they
are
also
struggling.
Many
many
landlords
are
struggling
when
they
can't
get
their
rent
and
when
there's
no
end
in
sight
of
when
they
can
evict
this
person
you're,
you
could
be,
it
could
be
costing
somebody
their
retirement.
T
You
know
many
people
buy
a
house
as
a
retirement
investment
and
if
they
can't
they
can't
go
four
five,
six
seven
months
without
rent
I
mean
during
the
the
pandemic.
I
had
somebody
go
15
months
without
paying
rent,
I
mean
that's
at
3
000
a
month.
It's
a
huge
amount
of
money,
and
you
know
so
all
I'm
saying
is:
we
have
to
weigh
the
balance
between
the
tenant
and
the
owner
and
who
has
what
responsibility
in
the
process.
N
My
next
question:
oh
I've
lost
it.
It'll
come
back!
Oh
mr
princess
finn,
seth
you
had
indicated
that
you
know
there
might
be
some
disparity
about
what
we're
seeing
at
different
presentations,
whether
it's
from
the
courts
directly
or
it's
from
people
in
the
community
that
are
struggling
and
being
evicted
unfairly
or
quickly.
N
You
had
indicated
that
perhaps
there's
a
difference
between
some
of
these.
I
guess
I
I'm
using
it
too
mom
and
pop
type,
like
landlords
and
these
corporate,
have
you
seen
any
distinctions
made
in
laws
in
other
states
that
make
a
distinction
between
those
two
types
of
landlords.
F
Assemblywoman
rocky
finceth,
for
the
record
were
were
in
the
process
of
exploring
that
right.
Now,
like
like
the
interim
committee
right,
our
our
legislative
committee
is
exploring
sort
of
various
options
from
other
from
other
states.
I
think
we're
working
with
legislators
that
have
reached
out
to
us
for
sort
of
solutions
on
on
our
end.
So
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
right
now,
but
I
suspect
that
we
will
have
an
answer
for
you.
Moving
forward.
N
Thank
you
and
I'm
sure
all
the
committee
members
would
be
interested
to
see
what
kind
of
distinctions
might
be
made
nationally
or
even
in
other
localities
about
you
know
the
difference
between
like
a
venture,
capitalist
and
like
a
corporate.
You
know,
mass
ownership
of
properties.
P
Thank
you
assemblywoman.
When,
before
we
move
up
north,
I
have
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
When
you
say
properties,
are
you
referring
to
single-family
homes?
Are
you
referring
to
apartment
complexes.
P
Four
plexes:
okay;
wonderful
in
addition
to
the
basic
rent.
Are
there
other
administrative
fees
that
the
that
the
renter
is
responsible
for.
T
The
only
thing
that
we
charge
our
tenants
for
is
rent
and
in
some
cases,
depending
on
the
locality
and
the
property
type
for
trash
and
sewer.
So
if
they
live
in
las
vegas
and
it's
a
single
family,
we
charge
them
forty
dollars
a
month,
which
is
the
exact
cost
that
well
about
the
cost
of
the
trash
and
sewer
combined
on
a
monthly
basis,
because
we
don't
put
that
in
the
tenant's
name,
because
if
they
go
delinquent,
it
can
lean
the
home
other
than
that.
If
there's
a
five
percent
late
fee.
T
If
we
do
a
lease
renewal,
it's
always
at
the
owner's
expense,
the
tenant
doesn't
pay
anything
and
one.
I
do
want
to
correct
one
thing.
I
said:
if
we
have
to
post
a
pay
or
quit
notice,
there's
a
75
fee,
because
we
have
to
pay
a
process
server
now,
since
the
law
change
to
post
that
notice,
so
we
can't
waive
that
fee.
We
have
to
charge
it
since
we
have
to
pay
it.
T
They
are
considered
utility
income
correct.
So
when
we
bring
in
our
system
we
have
rent
and
then
we
have
utility
income
and
they
get
reported
out
differently.
On
the
tax
statement
to
the
owner.
P
T
T
As
long
as
you
use
a
checking
account
or
they
have
the
option
of
going
to
7-eleven
or
cvs
and
paying
with
a
3.99
fee
which
is
not
paid
to
us.
It
is
through
the
service
that
provides
the
the
payment.
P
Okay:
okay,
wonderful!
Thank
you!
So
much
for
answering
those
at
this
time,
we'll
go
up
north.
If
any!
Oh,
I
see
senator
harris.
G
I
know
a
lot
of
homes
you
can
buy
kind
of
a
home
warranty
and
then
they'll
charge
you
let's
say
like
a
75
dollar
fee
as
a
service
fee.
So
let's
say
I'm
a
tenant
and
my
ac
breaks
down
on
a
day
like
today,
under
the
law,
landlords
are
required
to
maintain
things
like
air
conditioning,
especially
here
for,
for
obvious
reasons,
are
our
landlords,
any
of
the
ones
that
you
represent,
pushing
that
75
dollar
fee
to
repair,
essential
services
onto
the
tenants.
T
We
do
not.
I
know
there
are
some
that
do
that
the
laws
our
contract,
our
state-approved
contract,
that
we
use
says
that
any
repair
under
x
amount
can
any
minor
repair
and
miners
capitalize
in
bolt-based
under
100
or
whatever
we
always
put
it
as
a
hundred
is
paid
by
the
tenant.
That
does
not
mean
that
the
first
hundred
dollars
of
the
repair
is
the
tenant's
responsibility,
and
I
explain
that
to
all
my
owners.
If
an
air
conditioner
goes
out,
that
is
not
the
tenant's
expense
unless
the
tenant
caused
it.
T
Let's
say
the
tenant,
never
changed
the
filters
and
we
send
reminders
out
and
the
unit
froze
up
because
of
their
negligence.
Then
yes,
they're
going
to
be
charged
a
service
fee
because
they
didn't
do
their
part
to
keep
the
air
conditioner
running.
That's
very
rare,
it
doesn't
happen
often,
but
sometimes
it
does
happen
if
a
garbage
disposal
gets
clogged
because
of
what
the
tenant
put
down
we're
going
to
troubleshoot
with
them
and
show
them
how
to
how
to
fix
the
issue.
T
T
I
we
don't
do
it.
We
we
take
the
com,
the
part
of
the
contract
that
says
minor
repairs,
so
a
for
instance
of
what
a
minor
repair
would
be.
The
garbage
disposal
is
clogged.
The
the
the
flapper
in
the
toilet
needs
to
be
replaced.
It
doesn't
require
a
plumber.
It's
a
two
dollar
part.
You
can
get
a
ace
hardware,
you
stick
it
in
there,
you
repair
it
so
we'll
always
try
to
troubleshoot,
I
would
say
in
in
the
10
years
I've
been
doing
management,
maybe
10
times.
T
T
Well,
since
I
don't
do
it,
I
can't
tell
you
how
other
property
managers
do
it.
I
just
don't
charge
any
repair
under
any
repair.
That's
over
a
hundred
dollars,
that's
not
minor!
I
don't!
I
just
don't
charge
it
to
my
tenant.
So
are
there
some
that
that
that
don't,
first
of
all,
you
don't
want
a
home
warranty
in
the
summer
with
air
conditioners,
you'll
be
a
week
without
an
air
conditioner,
but
we
I
I
just
don't.
T
I
can't
tell
you
what
other
ones
do
if
it's
an
air
conditioner
we're
paying
for
it
period,
even
if
it's
under
a
hundred
dollars,
even
if
it's
under
a
hundred
dollars,
because
it's
a
it's
an
essential
item.
So
now
I
don't
know
that
the
law
says
you
have
to
do
that,
but
we
do
that
because
it's
an
essential
service
if,
if
a
front
door
lock
breaks
we're
gonna
pay
for
that,
because
it's
an
essential
item.
So
there
are
just
certain
things
that
we
do,
but
I
can't
tell
you
100
for
sure.
T
N
I
just
thought
of
more
questions.
I'm
sorry,
thank
you
chair.
I
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
opportunity
to
review
or
participate
or
listen
to
the
presentations.
Last
month
by
the
las
vegas
justice
court,
they
had
proposed
a
program
that
they
would
like
to
implement
kind
of
like
an
eviction
court
like
an
early
intervention
court,
do
you
have
any
opinions
about
that
court
and
how
that
might
work
and
how
you
might
be
able
to
work
with
them?
Assemblywoman.
F
Rocky
finseth
for
the
record,
if
I
could,
with
your
indulgence
I'll
turn
it
over
to
miss
reece
and
or
miss
banks,
who've
been
working
directly
with
the
courts
on
that
program.
T
C
C
N
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that,
especially
in
light
of
the
fact
I
know
we
are
talking
about
how
beneficial
the
chap
program
has
been,
for
you
know,
nevadans,
and
you
know
I
have
concerns
the
real
fact
that
those
funds
might
run
out
and
run
out
sooner
rather
than
later.
P
P
Q
Q
Oh
neil,
sorry,
whatever
just
don't
call
me
late
for
dinner,
could
you
on
that
chaps
program?
That's
only
available,
then
in
clark,
county,
correct.
T
F
Assemblyman
o'neill
the
chaps
program.
I
it's
being
used
very
extensively
down
in
down
here
in
southern
southern
nevada.
That
said,
I'm
happy
to
get
back
to
you
on
whether
that
is
a
that
is
a
state
whether
that's
a
statewide
application
or
or
not.
N
Q
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
and
I
guess
maybe
mr
fincef,
you
may
be
possibly
the
best
person
to
answer
a
couple
of
these
other.
Just
small
questions.
Hopefully
do
you
know,
is
it
fair
to
say
that
on
the
evictions
that
being
a
landlord
is
becoming
so
difficult,
complicated,
we're
actually
forcing
mom
and
pops
out
and
selling
off
to
large
they
have
to
sell
their
businesses,
these
rental
properties
to
large
corporations?
Q
F
Pops
assemblyman
o'neal
rocky
finceth
for
the
record.
I
I
I
can
only
offer
you
antidotal,
I
think
miss
afric
can
give
you
real,
live
examples
of
what
she's
she's
seeing
in
the
marketplace
down
here.
T
Tina
africa
for
the
record:
no
we're
not
seeing
an
exodus
of
landlords,
not
yet
the
when
the
late
payments
were
capped
at
five
percent.
We
didn't
really
see
much
pushback.
You
may
have
seen
a
few
landlords
say
well,
I
want
rent
sooner,
but
not
with
us.
We
all
of
ours
are.
If
you
use
us
for
property
managers,
we
give
five
days
to
pay
rent.
So
no
we're
not
we're
not
starting
to
see
an
exodus
that
we
did
see
a
huge
increase.
T
I
believe,
of
corporations
coming
in,
because
you
know
they
bought
up
our
market
for
the
most
part
right
now
and
so
that
what
we
notice
in
this
market,
though,
is
that
also
happened
in
2008
and
honestly,
when
we
had
more
large
corporations
owning
properties,
we
actually
saw
rents
go
down
slightly
because
they
were
all
competing
with
each
other.
At
that
point,
they
were
selling
rents
on
a
secondary
market
kind
of
like
they
were
selling
the
mortgages.
They
were
doing
that.
T
I
can't
remember
what
year
it
was,
but
we
did
see
rents
go
down
slightly
one
time
when
hedge
funds
were
buying
so
right
now
we're
not
we're
not
seeing
an
access
to
mom
and
pop
unless
they
want
to
capitalize
on
all
their
equity
and
and
also
keep
in
mind
that
when
you're
hearing
from
all
these
tenants,
I
I
would
venture
to
say
that
a
portion
of
those
tenants
are
being
kicked
out
necessarily
because
people
are
trying
to
sell
their
houses
and
so,
which
is
a
that's,
also
a
difficult
process
to
get
a
tenant
to
even
move
on
a
30-day
notice.
T
Right
now.
So
we
do
walk
a
fine
line,
because
if
we
go
too
far,
one
way
or
the
other,
you
will
still.
You
will
start
to
see
sellers
lee
exit
the
market,
which
is
going
to
reduce
the
the
available
inventory
for
rent.
Q
I
appreciate
that,
because
up
north
here,
particularly
I'll
just
talk
in
my
district
carson
city,
mainly
I've
had
several
mom
and
pops
in
my
neighbor.
Tell
me
how
they've
got
to
get
out
of
the
business.
They'll
complain
to
me
that
we're
just
making
it
so
onerous
to
be
a
landlord.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
isn't
the
case
that
it
may
just
be
a
localized
issue.
Q
One
last
question:
if
I
may,
the
landlord
the
owner
of
the
property
the
tenant
is
unable
to
pay
refuses
to
pay
whatever
it
may
be.
What's
their
recourse
to,
can
they
go
to
another
program
and
get
that
money
directly
or
they
have
to
keep
working
with
the
land
with
the
tenant,
so
they
can
pay
their
bills.
T
Tina
africa
for
the
record,
there
was
a
small
amount
of
money,
I'm
not
sure
where
it's
at
right
now,
because
most
of
these
landlords
did
not
apply
because
the
I
believe
the
rules
were
pretty
strict.
None
of
my
landlords
applied
most
of
them
during
the
pandemic,
were
able
to
put
their
mortgages
on
hold
so,
for
instance,
the
tenant.
I
told
you
didn't
pay
for
15
months.
We
were
fortunate
enough
to
where
the
landlord
was
able
to
put
that
mortgage
on
hold.
T
T
For
probably,
you
know
the
fallout
for
that
for
some
time
in
the
housing
market,
nobody
knew
that
this
housing
market
was
going
to
do
what
it
did
and
it
didn't
just
do
it
on
resale
it
did
it
on
rents,
and
so
again
we
walk
a
fine
line,
because
if
we
place
the
tenant
in
2020
at
the
rental
rates,
then
and
rents
have
gone
up.
We've
all
seen
the
news
25
percent
year
over
year
I
explained
to
my
owners,
you
placed
a
tenant,
they
could
afford
a
thousand
dollars
a
month.
T
You
did
not
place
a
tenant,
they
can
afford
12.50
a
month,
their
their
paid
did
not
go
up
25
just
because
the
rents
went
up
now.
With
that
said,
if
we
have
a
vacant
home,
then
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
maximize
the
amount
of
profit
to
our
owner.
That's
our
job,
and
so,
if
I
have
a
vacant
condo
that
I
can
get
1500
for
where
I
was
getting
12,
then
that's
what
I'm
going
to
do.
T
Just
on
a
little
side
note,
one
thing
that
we
are
starting
to
see
happen
in
the
market
is
tenants
that
are
at
lower
rents
and
we're
keeping
it
the
lower
rents.
We've
caught
three
tenants
in
just
the
last
month,
subleasing
out
the
property
at
a
higher
rent,
so
they're
moving
out
moving
in
with
someone
else
getting
another
property
taking
our
property
and
and
raising
it
to.
T
Let's
say
you
know,
1800
from
1200
and
they're
pocketing
that
money,
and
we
have
no
idea
what's
going
on,
so
we
are
starting
to
see
that
pattern
form
a
little
bit.
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
a
big
issue
or
not,
but
that
is
another
issue
that
landlords
are
having
to
deal
with
the
one
eviction
we
had
that
I
told
you
was
that
situation
we
didn't
evict
our
original
tenant.
We
had
to
evict
the
person
that
she
put
into
the
property
who
never
paid
any
rent.
P
Wonderful
I've
been
told
that
assemblywoman
marzola
does
not
have
any
questions,
and
so
I
think
we'll
move
on,
but
I
do
have
one
question.
You
said
that
you
have
two
questions
you
had
said.
You
have
three
tenants
that
you
had
to
evict
for
illegally
subletting
out
of
how
many
units
that
you
all
rent.
T
T
I
worked
with
the
person
that
they
placed
it.
It
was
a
very
unfortunate
situation.
What
happened
to
the
tenant,
and
we
were-
I
worked
with
the
tenant
to
get
their
money
back
from
the
prior
tenant
who
took
about
six
thousand
dollars
from
them,
so
we
were
able
to
get
that
money
back
and
we
placed
the
new
tenant
even
without
running
credit
or
anything.
I
just
said
at
this
point
you're
in
we're
not
going
to
kick
you
out
we're
going
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
start
paying
the
rent.
I
manage
about
400
properties.
T
It's
just
something:
that's
new
we've
just
not
experienced
it
in
the
past.
That's
why
I
say
I'm
not
saying
it's
going
to
be
a
big
problem,
I'm
just
saying
that
for
when
you
never
experienced
it
in
the
past
and
you're
starting
to
experience
it,
it
could
just
be
the
signs
of
a
possible
problem
and
also
with
those
400
numbers.
T
Remember
I've
only
evicted,
one
tenant
since
2020
one,
that's
pretty
incredible,
considering
how
many
people
went
large
amounts,
and
I
will
also
say
that
we
had
several
tenants
move
out
owing
seven
or
eight
thousand
dollars,
so
a
lot
of
owners
did
get
stuck
when
there
was
the
moratorium,
which
I
agreed
with
moratorium.
I'm
not
saying
it
was
a
bad
thing.
I'm
just
saying
that
when
that
moratorium
went
into
place,
there
was
very
little
protection
for
landlords
when
tenants
up
and
moved
with
these
huge
balances.
P
Understood
are
you
alls?
Are
you
you
said
that
your
your
land,
your
own
clients,
will
raise
the
rent?
Do
they
do
that
on
a
yearly
basis
at
the
at
the
beginning
or
the
at
the
end
of
an
existing
lease
agreement?.
T
So
what
I
do
is
90
days
in
advance
of
the
expiration
of
the
lease.
I
will
contact
my
owner,
I'll,
pull
the
comps
and
tell
them.
You
know
your
tenant's
been
a
great
tenant
they've
paid
on
time.
Do
you
want
to
renew
their
lease?
That's
my
first
question.
Second
question
is:
if
you
do
do
you
want
to
raise
the
rent
hear
what
the
comps
are?
Here's,
what
I
suggest
we've
it's
been
a
night.
It's
been
terrible.
T
T
I
mean
I,
I
won't
do
it.
I
won't.
I
won't
raise
someone's
rent
that
much
I'll
I'll
quit
and
let
the
owner
do
it
themselves,
but
most
of
our
owners
will
agree
to
let's
say
200,
you
know,
but
they
are
they're
going
up
and
you
know
I
don't
really
know
the
right
answer.
To
be
honest
with
you,
it
is
a
very
tough
position
for
us
to
be
on.
P
I'm
really
moved
by
your
commitment
to
be
honorable
and
to
have
standards,
but
I
think
we've
been
hearing
for
months
now,
some
pretty
horrific
stories
and
the
numbers
that
we're
hearing
about
evictions
and
about
people
receiving
these
notices
and
what
the
court
is
telling
us
is,
is
just
not
sinking.
So
it
appears
that
your
situation
just
may
be.
You
know
the
the
good
guys,
but
we
have
so
many
other
situations
where
we
are
hearing
all
the
time.
P
P
P
T
I
have
to
tell
you
I
I
completely
agree
with
you
on
seniors.
Is
it
is
it's
a
real
issue
when
I
have
any
client
that
wants
to
buy
in
a
age,
restricted
area?
It's
exactly
what
I
tell
them.
Look,
you
know
you
just
don't
have
the
flexibility
to
raise
rents
on
seniors.
I
have
one
senior
that's
been
with
me
many
many
years
and
I'm
fond
of
her.
I
like
her,
I
don't
and
and
every
you
know,
I'm
able
to
keep
my
owner
down
to
25.
T
30
rent
increases
just
to
kind
of
keep
up,
but
I
would
push
back
a
little
bit
with
your
statement
in
the
way
that
I
don't
think
I'm
the
exception.
I
think
that
the
bad
landlords
you're
hearing
from
are
the
exception,
and
I
think
that
there's
always
two
sides
to
a
story.
If
you
talk
to
one
of
my
tenants,
I've
evicted,
I'm
the
worst
person
in
the
world,
I
didn't
work
with
them.
I
didn't
do
anything
for
them.
T
I
mean
just
anything
you
can
imagine,
I'm
the
victim.
We
had
one
guy
take
three
months
of
chap
eight
thousand
dollars
unveiled.
He
never
paid
the
owner
of
the
chat
funds,
and
so
but
I'm
I'm
the
bad
guy,
and
I
so
I
think
it's
it's
very
important
when
you
hear
from
constituents
to
understand
that,
I'm
not
saying
you
don't
understand
but
to
to
know
that
there's
another
side
of
that
story
that
they
may
be
100
correct.
T
You
may
just
have
a
terrible
person,
that's
evicting
them,
but
more
than
likely
this
person's
been
trying
to
get
rent
for
months
and
at
some
point,
if
you
can't
get
rent
you
work,
landlords
are
not
charities,
they
they
can't
let
people
live
in
their
houses
for
free
for
months
on
end
and
still
have
all
the
legal
obligations
that
an
owner
has.
So
where
is
that
fine
line?
Is
it
helping
seniors
with
a
get
money
somehow
to
help
pay
their
rent?
I
mean,
I
don't
know.
F
We
could
have
rolled
out
thousands
of
pro
property
managers
today
with
very
similar
stories
in
in
total
managing
thousands
of
doors
in
this
valley,
but
we
didn't,
but
we
can.
If,
if
that's
what
the
committee
committee
desires,
we
were
focused
on
the
interest
of
time
and
on
the
interest
of
the
the
topic
at
hand,
but
I
assure
you,
miss.
Miss
africa
is
not
the
exception.
P
G
We
almost
got
our
time
almost
so
close,
so
close
out
of
all
of
the
owners
that
you
represent,
have
any
of
them
had
to
fork
lose
their
home
because
of
failure
to
rent
of
their
tenants
in
the
course
of
the
last
two
years.
T
Many
of
them
sold
after
the
pandemic
was
over,
but
even
that
presented
its
own
unique
challenges,
because
we
can't
even
on
a
30-day
notice
to
terminate
at
the
end
of
a
month-to-month
lease
it's
taking
months,
there's
no
more
there's,
no
more
simple,
you
know-
or
I
wouldn't
even
say
simple,
but
there's
no
more
terminating
a
lease,
a
month-to-month
lease.
It's
very
difficult.
Q
F
Assemblyman
o'neill
I'll
defer
to
miss
miss
banks,
tiffany
banks
for
the
record.
So
sorry,
there's
kickback.
F
F
Or
they
weren't
responding
to
requests,
then
the
landlord
then
had
the
responsibility
to
they.
The
landlord
couldn't
just
apply
and
get
the
funds.
They
had
to
be
sure
that
the
tenant
went
through
all
of
these
steps,
and
that
was
setting
the
landlord
back
a
substantial
amount
of
time,
because
a
tenant
was
just
not
responding,
but
the
landlord
still
had
to
wait
for
that
process
of
them
to
try
to
get
approved
through
chaps,
and
then
the
landlord
could
apply
themselves.
P
Thank
you.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
chaps
money
goes
to
the
landlord
unless
the
landlord
refuses
those
dollars.
Can
you
please
do
you
mind
if
I
ask
somebody
can
clarify
that
for
me,
please.
T
T
You
cannot
take
any
notice
against
the
tenant
for
60
days,
so
what
we
are
experiencing
is
the
same
tenants
are
applying
for
chap
over
and
over
again.
So
let's
say
the
landlord
went
three
months
without
rent.
They
finally
get
the
chaps
funds
in
the
next
month.
They
don't
get
rent.
The
process
starts
all
over
again.
If
the
landlord
does
not
participate,
the
money
goes
directly
to
the
tenant,
which
is
the
one
I
had
just
mentioned,
about
the
taking
the
the
seven
thousand
or
eight
thousand
dollars
and
leaving
the
land.
T
The
tenant
is
obligated
to
pay
it
to
the
owner,
but
they
usually
don't
they'll.
I
shouldn't
say
usually
in
my
experience,
it
has
not
worked
out.
The
tenant
will
take
the
money
and
then
leave
and
use
the
money
for
a
new
house
or
whatever
they're
going
to
do
so.
The
only
time
the
owner
doesn't
is,
for
instance,
the
reason
my
owner
didn't
is
they
were
trying
to
sell
the
house,
and
so
we
had
noticed
on
a
30-day
notice
at
the
beginning
of
december,
he
stopped
paying
rent
applied
for
chaps,
got
the
money
in
february
left.
P
B
C
Thank
you
mackenzie
good
afternoon.
Everyone
is
there
a
powerpoint
that
I
have
or
no.
A
C
While
she
works
on
that,
I
just
want
to
mention
the
nevada
state
department
association
represents
67
percent
of
all
multi-family
property
owners
and
managers
in
the
state
of
nevada.
We
ensure
that
best
practices
are
practiced
on
our
member
properties,
as
well
as
ensuring
that
we
provide
them
with
proper
education
and
guidance
when
needed.
Legal
counsel,
as
well
and
obviously
advocate
on
behalf
of
our
industry,.
C
There
we
go
so
today
we're
going
to
present
to
you
a
housing
stability
program,
and
the
pandemic
has
clearly
demonstrated
that
housing
stability
is
in
the
interest
of
nevadans
residents,
property
managers
and
owners
alike.
A
strong
model
for
improving
both
resident
stability
and
rent
collections
is
well
worth
further
consideration.
C
The
next
slide
will
show
barriers
to
housing
and
what
we
there's
three
in
particular
that
come
to
mind.
Landlords
and
tenants
alike,
have
limited
knowledge
of
available
resources
and
how
or
where
to
access
these
resources.
The
second
barrier
is
that
legal
aid,
their
resources,
are
limited
in
their
reach
to
residents.
They
can
only
do
so
much
they've
done
a
phenomenal
job,
but
again
can
only
do
so
much
and
the
third
barrier
is
residents.
C
I
do
want
to
mention
that
we
have
been
working
with
chief
judge
sarah
ghosa
as
part
of
her
eviction
diversion
program,
and
these
are
some
of
the
creative
solutions
that
have
been
put
forward.
A
simplified
eviction
notice.
One
thing
that
we
certainly
experienced
during
the
pandemic
was
when
it
turned
into
a
one
page
notice,
turned
into
an
eight-page
notice.
It
didn't
necessarily
encourage
any
more
communication
between
the
landlord
and
the
tenant,
so
that
is
proposed
solution.
Number
one
proposed
solution.
C
C
It's
a
systemized
and
accountable
resident
edu.
Sorry,
it
focuses
on
systematized
and
accountable
resident
education
at
move-in
and
at
least
renewal
or
recertification.
If
it
is
a
tax
credit
program,
they
go
through
a
recertification
process
versus
just
a
lease
renewal
process
and
proactive
communication.
So
each
household
is
informed
and
engaged
in
their
rights
responsibilities
and
resources
available,
regardless
of
circumstances
throughout
their
tenancy.
B
Warren
k
just
jumping
in
here
assemblywoman
when
you
had
asked
a
question
of
the
other
presenters.
You
know,
how
do
we
proactively
engage
with
tenants
if
we
foresee
there's
an
issue
so
just
teasing
out
one
of
the
concepts
that
susie
just
touched
on
the
concept
of
a
waiver?
One
of
the
biggest
barriers
for
landlords
is
the
confidentiality
piece.
So,
even
if
I
knew
you
know
ms
black,
what
was
a
veteran,
I
knew
her
veteran's
status.
She's
suddenly
fallen
behind.
B
I
couldn't
give
ms
black's
information
to
a
veteran
nonprofit
or
social
services
without
her
permission,
so
through
the
onboarding
process.
When
that
relationship
starts
between
landlord
and
resident,
we
can
educate
them
to
say
we
have
this
waiver,
should
you
sign
it
you're,
giving
us
permission
and
the
ability
to
connect
you
with
the
resources
that
most
fit
your
need,
because
one
of
the
the
biggest
struggles
is
getting
into
contact
with
that
resident.
B
You
know,
maybe
they
don't
have
access
to
an
email.
Maybe
their
cell
phone
has
changed
and
social
services
has
shared
a
statistic
with
us
that
was
pretty
striking
that
it.
It
takes
six
attempts
before
they're
able
to
get
through
to
that
tenant
to
get
the
information
they
need
to,
hopefully
get
them
linked
in
with
the
programs
to
avoid
the
eviction
altogether
or
on
the
back
end
after
the
eviction
has
already
occurred
and
they're
trying
to
find
rapid
rehousing
for
that
person.
B
P
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
information
and
for
your
presentation.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
then
I'd
like
to
go
to
the
folks
on
the
dice.
P
Would
you
all
also
be
interested
in
one,
the
diversion
court,
which
was
mentioned
earlier,
but
also
adopting
some
of
the
other
rules
that
that
are
in
that
that
program,
which
is
like
a
14-day
notice
period,
the
landlord
files,
the
complaint
with
the
court
and
the
tenant
has
time
to
answer.
B
B
Now
we
had
a
we
had
a
meeting
yesterday,
we've
got
another
one
next
week,
we're
hoping
to
launch
that
as
soon
as
later
this
month,
it's
my
understanding
and
I
think
it
gives
us
a
great
opportunity
to
run
with
some
of
these
concepts
and
a
piloted
model
before
we
understand
what
makes
sense
to
adopt
an
nrs.
But
I
would
say
we
are
engaged
we
are
at
the
table
and
depending
on
what
that
policy
would
look
like
you
know,
we
we
want
to
help
improve
the
relationship.
B
I'd
also,
just
you
know
another
broad
concept
that
we've
discovered
is
some
of
the
legalese
and
the
language
barriers.
I
mean
you
know
I'm
an
attorney,
but
like
gosh,
I
need
10
more
degrees.
You
know
to
navigate
some
some
of
these
notices
and
and
concepts,
and
so
one
of
the
suggestions
we've
made
through
this
eviction
diversion
program
is
finding
a
way
to
use
plain
language.
So
at
the
very
start
of
that
landlord-resident
relationship,
we
can
explain
it
to
our
residents.
In
plain
terms,
you
know
unlawful
detainer.
B
Well,
what
does
that
mean
right,
so
really
really
making
it
simple
and
less
adversarial
from
from
the
very
start
of
that
relationship?
So
if
and
when
we
hope,
not
our
tenants
find
themselves
in
an
inability
to
pay
the
door
is
open
for
them
to
come.
Talk
to
us
and
we've
done
our
job
at
the
front.
End
of
that
relationship
and
explaining
it
in
in
real
life
terms.
P
Thank
you
and
I've.
I
heard
that
suggestion
about
having
a
waiver
at
the
beginning
of
the
relationship
and
having
some
more
clear
instructions.
When
judge
zaragoza
was
here
and
and
we'll
get
back
to
that,
I
do
have
a
question
you
did
mention
in
your
presentation,
recertification
and
and
looking
at
people's
income,
and
but
that
mostly
applies,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
to
people
who
are
on
subsidized
housing.
P
P
Where
do
we
go
with
that?
How
do
we
deal
with
recertifying
people
who
are
not
on
subsidized
housing
people
who
are
working
regular
jobs
in
in
the
fields
that
have
built
this
community
and
this
state,
which
is
gaming
and
entertainment?
P
B
This
problem
specifically
looking
to
those
that
are
in
the
you
know,
litec
property
or
section
8
holders
are
fixed
income
seniors
all
all
these
are
being
tackled
by
this
nevada
housing
coalition,
and
there
is
a
northern
and
southern
nevada
meeting
later
this
month,
where
we
expect
more
ideas
and
policies
are
emerging
because
it
is
a
problem.
I
just
don't
know
that
where
ms
vazquez
and
I
sit
today
that
we
would
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
P
Well,
thank
you
for
that
honesty,
but
I
think
that
we
can't
have
a
full
conversation.
If
we
don't
talk
about
how
rents
are
increasing
and
if
we
have
a
person
who's,
making
25
000
a
year
at
a
hotel
as
they're,
you
know,
a
solid
citizen
with
a
kid
or
two
and
and
all
we're
talking
about
is
the
process
of
how
to
evict
them.
P
We
haven't
talked
about
the
process
of
how
to
re-house
them
and
where
will
they
go
if,
if
rates
everywhere
are
out
of
control,
so
you
know
I'll
get
off
my
soapbox
on
that.
I'll.
Just
add
this.
You
know
I'm
in
assembly
district
six
we've
had
the
highest
rate
of
employment
in
this
state
for
the
entire
23
years
I've
lived
there.
P
P
B
Mackenzie
warren
k,
thank
you
assemblywoman,
I
will
say
susie
and
I
spent
an
afternoon
at
clark,
county
social
services
meeting
with
an
amazing,
impressive
group
of
mostly
women
that
are
fielding.
These
calls
from
folks
that
are
staring
at
that
eviction
notice
and
we
want
it.
We
wanted
to
hear
directly
from
the
boots
on
the
ground.
What
are
the
hurdles?
What
are
the
barriers,
we're
meeting
with
various
policy
makers
looking
at
everything
from
child
care?
B
What's
keeping
folks
from
getting
back
to
work?
The
underemployment
issue
is
huge,
so
we're
attacking
this
from
you
know
a
community
standpoint
in
in
no
way
are
we,
you
know
making
light
of
of
the
crisis,
and
that's
why
you
know
our
presentation
today
really
focused
on
that
preventative
right.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
prevent
the
eviction
from
even
occurring
by
connecting
them
with
the
wrap
around
services
that
are
available
to
stop
it
dead
in
its
tracks
and
whether
that's
you
know
revising
the
way
the
notice
works
or
implementing
some
education?
B
B
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
but
in
the
interest
of
time
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
one
of
them,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
waivers,
and
can
you
just
explain
really
briefly?
Is
the
waiver
purely
like
a
waving
a
privacy
right
to
allow
the
landlord
or
the
property
manager
to
communicate
with
outside
agents
on
behalf
of
the
tenant?
Is
that
what
it
is.
A
C
Susie
vasquez
for
the
record
throughout
the
pandemic
and
actually
interacting
with
the
chat
program.
It
is
challenging
for
us
to
be
able
to
assist
our
residents
throughout
the
process.
So
we
would
like,
with
the
waiver,
the
opportunity
to
release
enough
information
for
any
service
to
be
able
to
initiate
the
process
with
a
resident,
so
it's
really
just
being
more
proactive
and
ensuring
that
the
tenant
does
have
access
to
those
resources
or
at
least
getting
the
ball
rolling.
So
what.
C
No,
the
chat
program
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
share
with
us
whether
or
not
they
had
applied,
for
instance,
or
what
their
status
of
their
application
was,
which
we
still
wouldn't
be
able
to
capture
with
the
waiver.
It
literally
it's
a
mechanism
that
we
found
was
needed
when
talking
to
chat
program
as
we
move
forward.
It's
just
a
barrier
that
is
there
for
the
landlord
to
be
able
to
refer
or
initiate
the
process.
B
B
So,
depending
on
what
would
be
included,
it
may
run
afoul
of
confidentiality,
which
is
why
we
needed
the
waiver.
However,
there's
been
this
idea
of
a
hotline
that
could
be
set
up
specifically
for
the
use
of,
I
think,
both
landlords
and
tenants.
But
through
our
experience
we
would
maybe
assume
that
landlords
would
be
the
one
on
that
on
that
hotline
and
then
we
would
not
have
the
need
for
the
form.
N
As
a
part
of
the
apartments
association,
do
you
have
any
kind
of
coordinated
like?
I
guess
I
don't
want
to
call
it
tracking,
but
like
logging
of
tenants
that
have
been
at
different
properties.
C
N
C
N
B
And
mackenzie
warren
k,
each
property
takes
a
different
approach,
so
some
may
choose
to
look
at
evictions.
Others
have
different
pressure
points,
but
I
would
note
assembly
bill
141,
sealed
evictions
during
the
covet
emergency,
so
those
evictions
are
not
available
to
those
landlords.
Should
they
opt
to
do
that.
Eviction.
Screening.
N
Do
these
individual
to
your
knowledge,
do
any
of
these
individual,
like
companies,
have
their
own
internal
process
for
maintaining
those
that
did
not
pay
during
the
eviction
process
that
may
not
have
are
during
the
covid
pandemic.
That
maybe
you
know
it
was
sealed
as
a
part
of
like
a
a
court
record,
but
they
have
those
internally
that
they
use.
C
Susie
vasquez
for
the
record,
the
screening
company
is
utilized
to
have
a
third
party
facilitate
the
access
to
the
credit
screening.
Any
eviction
screening
criminal
screening.
C
They
also
are
typically
tasked
with
verifying
income
and
a
number
of
items
that
a
landlord
can
request
from
the
screening
company,
and
then
the
screening
company
then
provides
a
score
for
that
individual
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
would
qualify
for
the
apartment.
N
And
I'm
sorry,
I
just
may
not
know
the
process,
so
if
you
can
help
clarify
it,
so
it
might
be
a
pretty
obvious
question,
but
when,
if
someone
pre-sealing
or
without
ceiling,
if
they
have
like
an
eviction,
it
goes
on.
What
kind
of
record
does
that
go
on
like?
How
do
you
search
that
record
public
record
okay,
and
then
is
that
separate
from
like
a
a
ding?
That
would
happen
on
their
credit
score
for
not
paying
rent
suzy.
C
N
P
Anyone
else
on
the
dice
here
all
right,
I
believe
I
s,
we
saw
assemblyman
o'neal's
hand,
sir.
Please
go
ahead.
Q
Thank
you,
chair,
miss
warren
k.
I
appreciate
your
concern
on
my
dinners.
I
haven't
had
a
home-cooked
meal
this
week.
So
thank
you
for
thinking
of
me
for
a
moment,
but
one
quick
question:
do
you
have
any
numbers
on
the
actual
number
of
evictions
or
lockouts
by
constables
that
have
occurred
over
the
last
say
this
year
compared
to
last
year
or
any
comparison
you
have
any
of
those
numbers.
The
actual
evictions
are
those
lockouts
thanks.
B
To
some
thanks
to
some
mckenzie
warren
k,
the
las
vegas
justice
court,
I
know,
keeps
those
records.
I
wouldn't
say:
there's
one
centralized
place
to
get
those
numbers,
but
the
courts
have
been
able
to
provide
those.
P
Thank
you
so
much
assemblyman
o'neil
we're
actually
trying
to
pull
that
data.
I
believe
it
was
provided
last
month
when
by
judge
sergosa
and
we're
going
to
see
if
we
can
find
it
to
refer
to
it
a
little
bit
later.
P
I
do
have
one
other
question.
Let
me
pull
it
up
really.
Really
quick
in
your
slides,
you
speak
about.
You
suggest
having
the
fee
schedule
in
housing.
Stability
notice
that
they
know
your
tenants
know
what
it
is.
Do
you
also
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
these
fees
conspicuously
posted
when
advertising
for
your
units?
Do
you
think
that
that
changes
would
change?
B
I
think
the
fee
discussion
is,
you
know
something
we're
always
willing
to
have,
I
think,
probably
for
today
you
know
we
really
came
here
to
speak
about
summary
eviction
and
our
participation
in
the
eviction
diversion
and
also
our
close
work
with
clark
county.
One
positive
thing
to
report
that
did
come
out
of
yesterday's
meeting
was
the
the
stark
reality
of
chap
coming
to
an
end
and
a
renewed
focus
on
a
fixed
income
chat
program.
P
Thank
you
all
right.
Do
you
have
anything
else
to
add
thanks
for
your
time?
Thank
you
for
your
time.
We
appreciate
you
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
ask
dr
tiffany
tyler,
garner,
miss
annette
dawson,
deshawn
jackson
and
miss
aaron
patterson
of
children's
advocacy
alliance
to
step
forward
and
bring
a
presentation
to
us.
Thank
you.