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A
All
right,
good
morning,
everyone,
it's
905.,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
natural
resources
to
order
so
welcome
this
morning,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
hosting
us
this
morning.
A
This
is
the
third
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
of
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
natural
resources.
They
couldn't
have
made
that
title
any
longer
if
they
tried.
We
have
a
full
agenda
today
and
a
lot
of
interesting
presentations.
You'll
see
that
the
agenda
has
been
revised
and
we
will
not
be
having
a
work
session
today.
The
work
session
will
be
held
separately
on
august
22nd,
so
because,
unfortunately,
senator
scheible
will
not
be
able
to
be
here
today,
but
we
do
have
with
us
by
assume
senator
donate
as
the
alternate.
A
A
C
D
A
We
were
only
able
to
record
an
audio
for
this
meeting
today,
and
I
want
to
remind
the
subcommittee
members,
the
presenters
and
the
members
of
the
public
to
please
identify
yourselves
for
the
record
every
time
before
you
speak.
This
will
help
our
secretaries
to
have
correct
and
accurate
minutes
during
the
interim
meetings
typically
have
two
opportunities
for
public
comment
once
at
the
beginning,
at
the
meeting
and
once
at
the
end,
to
provide
a
testimony.
A
A
Members
of
the
public
may
also
provide
testimony
in
different
ways
all
listed
on
the
agenda,
either
through
email
or
mail,
so
that
information
is
on
the
agenda
if
you
would
like
to
provide
public
testimony
in
that
fashion.
So
with
that,
our
second
order
of
business
this
morning
is
to
take
public
comment.
A
B
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
thank
you
members
of
the
subcommittee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
scott
carey.
I'm
the
state
lands
planner
with
the
division
of
state
lands.
One
of
my
roles
here
with
the
state
is
that
I
run
the
state
land
use
planning
agency,
we're
proud
to
be
partnering
with
the
nevada
chapter
of
the
american
planning
association
to
host
the
nevada
rural
planning
conference,
which
will
be
held
out
in
elko
august
18th
and
19th.
B
In
general,
I
did
submit
a
public
comment
and
thank
you
for
lcb
staff
for
posting,
that
on
the
meeting
page,
where
there's
more
information
about
the
nevada
role
planning
conference,
which
should
be
held
out
in
elko
august
18th
and
19th.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
allowing
me
to
put
a
quick
plug
in
and
have
a
good
meeting.
E
Good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
christine
saunders
and
I'm
the
policy
director
with
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada,
a
plan.
We
believe
that
everyone
has
the
right
to
live
in
a
clean
and
healthy
environment,
regardless
of
their
race
income.
Immigration
status,
addressing
our
dependence
as
a
nation
and
especially
in
nevada
on
an
extractive
economy,
is
central
to
our
environmental
justice
campaign.
E
E
However,
rushing
through
the
production
of
minerals,
such
as
lithium
and
copper,
will
cause
devastating
and
irreversible
damages
to
frontline
communities
in
rural
and
tribal
areas
of
nevada,
and
while
mining
operators
may
say
that
they
have
strong
relationships
with
tribes
and
other
local
communities.
Recent
examples
of
which
you
will
hear
more
about
on
your
agenda
have
proved
otherwise.
E
Despite
significant
concerns
raised
by
both
communities,
the
mine
project
is
advancing.
Some
of
these
concerns
include
lack
of
transparency
and
permitting
inadequate
consultation
with
tribes
in
the
local
community.
Destruction
of
graves,
as
the
proposed
site,
was
the
location
of
a
massacre
enacted
upon
piot
people,
groundwater
depletion,
impacts
on
wildlife
and
endangered
species
and
the
risk
of
man
camps
to
both
the
environment
and
safety,
and
just
tomorrow
the
state
environmental
commission
will
be
meeting
in
regards
to
the
mind's
water
permit,
disregarding
very
concerning
third-party
analysis
from
community
groups.
E
B
Good
morning,
chair
carlton
and
subcommittee
members,
my
name
is
zoe
houghton,
I'm
with
tom
clark
solutions,
and
I'm
here
representing
the
nevada
outdoor
business
coalition
today,
here
on
behalf
and
supporting
designating
avikame
as
a
national
monument.
The
nevada
outdoor
business
coalition
is
the
voice
of
the
outdoor
industry
in
nevada,
with
the
goal
of
promoting
regulations
and
policies
that
will
contribute
to
building
a
more
robust
outdoor
industry
in
nevada.
B
A
growing
outdoor
economy
reflects
the
diverse
or
sorry
designating
avi
avi
kwame
as
a
national
monument.
Isn't
just
a
public
lands
policy.
It's
an
important
economic
policy.
The
designation
will
create
new
jobs
and
bring
in
revenue
of
the
state
while
preserving
important
land
and
wildlife
habitats.
B
A
growing
outdoor
economy
reflects
the
diverse
values
of
our
community
protection
of
our
public
lands
and
wildlife,
increasing
access
to
natural
spaces
and
improving
public
health
and
a
strong
economy
more
than
four
in
five
nevadans
support,
creating
national
parks,
national
monuments,
national
wildlife,
refuges
and
tribal
protected
areas.
Avi
kwame
national
monument
heeds
nevadan's
call
for
protected
natural
areas
and
serves
as
a
prime
example
of
how
future
investments,
cult
and
future
investments
can
protect
public
lands,
fight
against
the
climate
crisis
and
support
economic
growth.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
A
A
We
can
go
ahead
and
move
forward.
Our
item
number
three
today
is
a
presentation
on
pyramid
lake
and
it's
indigenous
people.
If
I
could
have
miss
noelle
miss
mr
frazier
and
mr
wright,
I
believe,
were
here.
F
A
And
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
use
to
be
here
today
we're
we're
honored
that
we
were
invited
and
we
were
able
to
be
here
today.
So
please
proceed.
B
We
also
have
an
attendance
chairwoman
davis,
who
happened
to
be
here.
She
wasn't
originally
supposed
to
be
here,
so
she
just
let
me
continue
because
I
was
already
prepared.
Thank
you
janet.
B
So
again.
Thank
you
good
morning
for
coming.
I
don't
know
if
a
lot
of
you
know
the
history
of
where
you
are
sitting,
but
you
know
we,
I
don't
think
you
will
find
a
much
older
tribe.
I
mean
all
the
tribes
in
nevada
have
definite
claim
to
all
of
nevada,
but
as
far
as
written
record
is
concerned
and
testing,
you
know
we
have
the
oldest
petroglyphs
in
north
america
right
here
on
this
reservation,
and
we
are
very
proud
of
that.
B
B
I
could
really
sit
up
here
all
day.
We
have,
I
mean
we
are
so
tied
to
this
land.
I
mean
you,
you
guys
know
all
of
the
natives
in
nevada
as
either
washoe
paiute
shoshone
and
a
lot
of
these
terms
don't
really
define
who
we
are
as
a
people.
It's
just
a
generalized
term.
Every
tribe
has
their
own
special
name
that
they
call
themselves,
for
example,
here
cui
te
kara,
basically
fish
eaters,
kuiwi,
fish
eaters,
and
you
can
see
that
from
our
gorgeous
lake
that
many
some
of
you
may
have
driven
this
way.
B
And
with
that
with
the
fish,
you
know
we
have
the
two
main
fish
here-
that
we
really
talk
about.
Mervin
wright
is
our
fisheries
director
and
he'll?
Explain
some
more
of
that.
G
G
Contrary
to
the
the
name
on
the
committee
here
or
the
president,
the
state
lands,
none
of
our
lands
are
public.
It's
all
tribally
owned.
G
So
the
second
slide
here
I
have
is
pivot.
Lake
reservation
is
located
about
35
miles
northeast
of
reno,
take
I-80
east
to
wadsworth
north
on
447
to
the
travel
headquarters
of
nixon
where
we
are
today.
G
G
G
The
the
the
irrigation
and
the
farming
lands
are
the
majority
of
what
the
reservation
consists
of
for
tribal
member
uses.
The
green
is
the
irrigation
fields
on
the
in
the
two
communities
of
wadsworth
and
nixon.
G
G
These
three
images
here
represent
the
the
land
use
plans
and
they
are
primarily
only
in
the
three
communities
of
the
reservation.
The
mainly
of
the
the
land
use
communities
consist
of
agricultural
commercial.
We
have
industrial
municipal
and
we
have
a
couple
of
cemetery
uses.
The
the
majority
of
the
plans
is
the
yellow,
which
is
residential.
G
G
Actually,
this
slide
is
the
only
involvement,
I
guess
with
pyramid
lake
in
two
public
lands.
This
is
primarily
the
the
truckee
meadows
public
land
management
act.
This
is
a
very
preliminary
slide
in
the
for
the
tribal
requests
of
the
washington
county
tribal
lands.
G
G
That
is
what
truman
lake
has
always
asked
for
since
the
inception
of
the
the
washington
county
lands
bill
in
2016.,
we've
never
changed
our
request
for
this
area.
G
We
have
not
been
very
successful
in
in
the
progress
of
the
bill,
but
again
as
it's
it's
making
its
headway
again,
we
are
again
asking
for
the
same
amount
of
acreages
right
there,
which
consists
of
basically
26
000
plus
acres.
G
Primarily
this
is
requested
as
a
these.
Actually,
this
is
all
ancestral
land,
as
you
can
see
in
the
slide
on
the
right.
That's
just
a
development
of
the
different
groups
in
the
northern
paiute
bands.
G
A
G
A
G
My
question
is
the
the
connection
between
the
committee
here
and
and
tribal
lands
that
we
have
here.
What's
the
the
purpose.
A
The
state,
through
their
natural
resources
committee
for
years,
has
has
a
public
lands
committee,
because
we
feel
it's
very
important
for
the
state
to
have,
and
especially
the
different
representatives
who
represent
these
areas
and
the
surrounding
areas
and
those
of
us
even
from
evil.
Las
vegas
understand
what
the
state
is
really
made
up
of
and
what
the
different
components
are.
It's
hard
for
us
to
make
informed
decisions
when
we
don't
understand
the
dynamics
of
the
whole
state.
A
So
the
state
a
long
time
ago
just
decided
that
making
sure
that
we
had
a
good
handle
on
the
public
lands
and
what
was
going
on
on
the
public
lands
to
keep
all
the
members
informed
so
that
when
we
make
decisions
we
don't
cause
something
to
go
wrong.
So
that's
that's
basically
it
and
we
understand
that
tribal
lands
are
separate
from
public
lands,
but
we
think
it's
very
important
for
the
legislature
to
know
and
be
involved
and
if
you're,
having
conversations
my
question
to
you
is
going
to
be
the
ancestral
lands
bill.
A
A
D
So
just
a
couple
of
quick
ones,
as
I
went
through
the
packet
you've
got
in
front
of
us.
You
talk
about
three
water
groundwater
basins
that
are
not
completely
held
on.
Oh
that's,
gonna!
Be
you,
okay,
sorry,
sorry
to
get
ahead
and
then
in
in
reference
to
the
washington
county
land
bill,
of
course,
again
that's
watson
county
submitting
that
bill
to
the
feds,
our
part
in
that
would
probably
be
to
I.e
support
it
or,
as
as
the
legislature.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
sir
you're
welcome.
A
Senator,
that's
that's
why
I
wanted
to
understand
it
in
case
it
would
be
a
letter
from
our
committee
moving
forward.
We
could
have
that
conversation
and,
possibly
you
know,
get
involved
assemblywoman.
Please.
H
H
H
My
concern
is,
I
know
it
might
be
a
heavy
lift
and
your
request
on
those
those
ancestral
lands
in
the
pa
ra.
Is
there
any,
and
I've
only
been
here
since
2019,
so
I
know
this
has
probably
been
an
ongoing
discussion.
Is
there
any
way
to
not
be
connected
to
the
lands
bill,
the
washoe
county?
One?
Is
there
a
way
to
have
this
request
done,
maybe
outside
of
that
so
you're,
not
maybe
tied
to
some
of
the
to
some
of
the
arguments
and
the
baggage
that
has
been
a
part
of
the
the
lands
bill.
G
G
H
Well,
thank
you
for
that
that
clarification,
and
and
perhaps
we
could
have
a
conversation
offline
because
that
to
me
you
know,
if
that's
what
the
tribes
would
like
to
to
do,
I'm
just
curious.
Maybe
why
that
that
approach
can't
be
taken.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
A
D
And
I
will
be
brief,
but
again
along
the
lines
of
assemblywoman
hanson
there.
Clearly
you
can
bring
a
federal
bill.
Congressman
mark
amade
is
bringing
one
that
has
introduced,
one
for
the
duckwater
tribe
and
and
that
expands
it.
It's
6,
000
acres,
just
a
federal
withdrawal
so
clearly
could
happen,
and
I
agree
with
the
assembly
woman.
D
C
C
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
reservation
includes
the
entirety
of
pyramid
lake
and
the
water
is
important
to
the
culture,
the
world-class
fishery
and
recreation
on
for
the
pyramid,
lake
members.
C
C
C
Originally,
the
project
was
planned
for
200
000
acres
to
be
irrigated,
but
there
was
never
more
than
60
000
acres
ever
irrigated.
It
diverts
truckee
river
water
to
the
carson
basin
via
the
derby
dam
and
the
truckee
canal,
which
was
all
completed
in
1905.
C
C
C
Lake
lowering
left
the
access
to
the
truckee
river
non-existent,
so
the
fish
need
a
substantial
spring
flows
for
spawning
and
the
last
spawning
run
for
the
native
species
was
in
the
1930s
and
they
were
excertified
from
pyramid
lake
by
the
1940s.
C
Pyramid
lake
paiute
tribe
had
many
efforts
to
help
recover
the
lake
in
1969,
the
operating
criteria
and
procedures
were
adopted
and
this
restricted
flows
for
the
truckee
canal.
C
In
1970.
The
tribe
v
morton
decided
that
ocap
wasn't
stringent
enough
and
that
the
secretary
must
ensure,
to
the
extent
of
his
power
that
all
water
not
obligated
by
the
court
decree
or
contract,
goes
to
pyramid
lake
and
in
1974
nevada
versus
the
u.s.
The
tribe
was
denied
additional
water
rights,
specifically
for
the
fishery
under
the
federal
truckee
river
decree.
C
The
queen
recovery
plan
specifically
said
that
the
increase
in
flow
to
pyramid
lake
needs
to
be
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
acre
feet
for
the
fish
to
recover
and
you'll
hear
more
about
this
from
mervin
and
in
1996.
The
water
quality
settlement
agreement
provided
24
million
dollars
for
in-stream
flow
water
rights,
acquisitions
for
pyramid
lake.
C
So
today
we
currently
are
always
monitoring
the
levels
in
pyramid
lake
and
still
are
looking
for
more
water
purchases.
We
monitor,
diversions
and
other
trolla
management
from
the
other
troll
parties.
We
use
upstream
storage
to
maximize
flow
for
pyramid
lake,
especially
during
spawning
season,
and
we
utilize
all
the
tribal
water
efficiently
and
effectively
whoops.
C
So
the
other
part
of
the
water
importance
is
the
quality
of
the
water
and
in
1981
pyramid
lake
adopted,
started
monitoring
the
water
on
the
reservation
in
1989
to
1993.
C
A
complete
liminological
study
was
conducted
by
utc
davis
to
help
support
future
standards
in
1990.
The
tribe
received
treatment
in
the
similar
manner
as
a
state
from
the
epa
over
the
clean
water
act
and
in
2001
the
council
adopted
the
tribe's
water
quality
control
plan
and
in
2008
epa
and
the
tribal
council
approved
the
tribe's
water
quality
standards
and
in
2015
epa,
and
the
council
approved
the
revision
of
those
standards
under
a
triennial
review.
C
C
C
So
impacts
from
the
historic
hydro
modification
of
the
truckee
river,
we
saw
channelization
and
deforestation
of
many
of
the
legacy
cottonwoods,
which
ended
up
increasing
temperatures
upstream
water
diversions
became
more
prevalent,
flooding
and
storm.
Water
runoff
adds
nutrients
to
the
system.
Temperature
and
dissolved
oxygen
are
one
of
the
major.
C
C
So
some
of
the
improvement
projects
that
we
have
currently
in
the
program
are
to
continue
water
monitoring,
riparian
aquatic
and
habitat
and
invasive
species.
C
C
C
Rural
areas
in
the
state
of
nevada
seem
to
especially
ones
with
small
populations
seem
to
be
the
target
for
independent
transfers
to
feed
water
to
cities.
Pyramid
lake
lies
in
three
water
basins
that
do
not
fully
fall
within
the
reservation
boundaries
which
makes
these
water
basins
and
tribal
water
vulnerable.
C
There's
a
lot
of
industrial
and
residential
development.
As
richard
said,
the
washer
county
land
spill
is
could
make
available
development
right
up
to
the
tribal
borders.
There's
a
increase
of
populations
in
urban
sprawl
in
the
cities
there
seems
to
be
some
promotion
of
development
along
the
trucking
corridor
and
up
to
the
reservation
boundary.
C
A
You
very
much
we
appreciate
it
so
without
questions
senator.
D
D
Okay,
I
I'll
pull
those
up
and
I'll
be
just
concerned
about
that
and,
of
course
clearly
we
know
you
know
towards
smoke
creek
and
what's
happened
up
at
the
hualapai
and
some
of
those
groundwater
basins
as
you
get
farther
north
have
been
problematic.
So
thank
you,
ma'am.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
you're.
I
C
I
would
think
they
could.
I
mean
we're
seeing
it
already
with
towards
gurlock
in
those
kind
of
areas,
so
I
would
hope
they
could,
since
they
control
the
groundwater
supposedly.
H
Assemblywoman
hanson
assemblydistrict32.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
It
was
very
informative,
a
couple
of
questions
on
your
invasive
species
that
might
be
along
the
truckee
river
corridor.
You
know
because
the
tribes
are
sovereign
and,
and
you
have
your
own
lands,
do
you
work?
I
know
the
state
department
of
ag
has
some
invasive
species
programs
that
that
they
work
with
communities.
H
C
So,
yes,
our
department
is
completely
grant
funded,
so
we
have
a
pretty
rigorous
noxious.
We
program
that
addresses
the
river
corridor
and
also
the
delta
and
some
of
the
ag
lands,
and
then
we
also
have
an
aquatic
invasive
species
program
that
we're
just
beginning
now
and
we're
on
both
of
them.
We
monitor,
monitor
and
control,
but
along
the
river
corridor,
we're
pretty
much
at
the
you
know.
C
The
upstream
people
are
the
ones
that
pretty
dominate
what
happens
downstream
to
us,
so
we
have
to
keep
a
very.
We
have
to
keep
up
on
it
at
all
times
or
it
just
gets
out
of
hand.
H
H
Okay,
great
and
just
a
shout
out
if,
if
anyone
has
not
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
fisheries
and
be
there
during
the
spawning
one
of
the
highlights
that
I
was
able
to
participate
in
pre-covet
and
and
really
fascinating
and
kind
of
a
way
that
you
guys
have
learned
to
navigate
a
really
difficult
situation
with
the
lowering
of
the
lake
and
and
helping
that
that
take
place.
So
thank
you
for
the
fisheries
work
that
you
do
and
I
know
we'll
be
hearing
about
that
later.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
subcommittee,
my
name
is
marvin
wright
jr,
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
pembroke
lake
fisheries
program.
It
was
good
to
see
you
pete.
It's
been
a
long
time
and
go
back
to
the
90s.
You
know
the
work
that
we
did
together
on
these
water
issues
and
uae,
I'm
currently
serving
as
the
executive
director
for
the
prim
lake
fisheries
program
and
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
describe
the
thousands
and
thousands
of
years
of
our
coexistence
in
the
short
time
we
got
here
this
morning.
J
So
you
are
all
familiar
with
the
what
they
call
the
the
sihu
high
stand,
which
is
the
ancient
lake
lahontan
that
covered
almost
a
third
of
the
state
at
one
point
ten
thousand
fourteen
thousand
years
ago,
and
as
it
evaporated
it,
you
know
it
created
the
isolated
lakes
that
currently
exist,
as
well
as
the
watersheds
throughout
the
state,
and
the
way
we
look
at
this
is
that
one
body
of
water,
one
fish.
J
You
know
with
respect
to
lahontan
cutthroat
trout.
That
has
become
a
an
issue
of
concern
recently
with
issue
of
genetics,
and
you
know
when
we
look
at
genetic,
the
genetic
issue.
J
You
know
there
has
never
really
been
a
move
to
try
to
push
a
pure
race
except
back
in
the
40s.
And
of
course
we
know
what
happened
with
the
holocaust,
and
so
we
look
at
these
motives
to
with
respect
to
what
we're
trying
moving
to
accomplish
with
our
fishery
operation.
J
So
when
we
talk
about
recovery
now,
these
are
recent
recent
actions
that
have
taken
place
with
respect
to
the
kui
recovery
plan,
which
was
enacted
in
1992
by
the
fish
and
wildlife
service,
as
well
as
in
consultation
with
the
tribe
here,
signed
off
by
the
secretary
of
interior
and
the
queen,
were
originally
listed
as
endangered
in
1967
and
then
also
with
the
lahontan
cutthroat
trout.
We
have
a
1995
recovery
plan
that
has
not
yet
been
updated.
J
They
were
originally
listed
as
endangered
in
1970
and
then
reclassified
as
threatened
in
1975,
and
that
reclassification
was
done
for
the
sake
of
having
the
angling.
You
know
so
that
anglers
can
come
out
and
fish
the
ohan
cutter
at
pyramid
lake.
J
J
This
is
basically
what
what
it
looks
like
and,
of
course,
with
the
lahan,
cutthroat,
trout
and
that
top
photo
is
was
a
photo
taken
in
1930
and
when
we
look
at
what
happened
to
the
fishery
here,
not
only
was
it
the
over
diversions
of
water
from
the
truckee
river,
but
it
was
also
the
overfishing
that
occurred
out
here,
and
you
could
see
that
the
the
the
overfishing
and
the
exploitation
that
occurred
you
know
from
the
turn
of
the
century
through
until
1930
around
1940
was
was
done
by
outsiders.
J
I
mean
fish
were
just
trucked
out
of
here,
put
on
railroad
cars
and
hauled
out
of
the
basin,
and-
and
so
this
is
part
of
what
we
look
at
with
respect
to
the
impacts
of
of
development
in
the
area,
and
when
we
talk
about
the
threat
of
you
know
what
we
see
today.
J
You
know
water
quality,
as
it
was
mentioned
earlier
is
is,
is
a
is
an
impact
that
you
know
we
see
with
respect
to
development
and
when
we
look
at
development
and
we
look
at
the
the
tax
laws
of
the
state
as
as
well
as
you
know,
issues
nationwide
development
is
a
critical
component
to
make
it
work,
and
so,
when
we
look
at
the
balance
between
development
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
with
with
the
recovery,
it's
a
steep
challenge
for
both
sides.
J
And
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
take
for
the
national
movement
to
acknowledge
that
role
of
development.
With
respect
to
the
the
function
of
of
how
our
government
has
evolved
to
what
it
is
today,
with
respect
to
the
chaos
with
the
economy,
for
example,
and
you
look
at
the
demands
on
on
our
resources
and
the
prices
of
these
goods
just
going
through
the
roof
without
any
control,
we
we
we
see
that
you
know
as
a
component
of
what
of
what,
where
we
come
from.
J
You
know,
as
I
said,
the
thousands
of
thousands
of
years
of
our
coexistence.
The
lake
currently
is
at
it
the
current
elevation,
but
it
was
lower.
You
know
there
are
evidence
of
below
the
surface
of
the
water
that
so
the
lake
was
a
lot
lower
than
it
was
than
it
is
today.
So
when
we
look
at
what
we
had
to
do
as
a
people
to
manage
the
fishery,
we
certainly
know
that
the
survival
of
our
fishery
was
a
result
of
our
interactions.
J
You
know
way
back
before
the
settlement
of
the
west
and
so
a
part
of
what
we.
What
we
look
at
with
the
river
system,
you
know,
is
what
what's
known
as
a
proper
functioning
condition
and
and
the
proper
functioning
condition
of
a
river
you
know
certainly
includes
you
know
the
riparian
zone,
of
course,
the
stream
corridor.
J
And
then,
when
we
look
at
the
the
meandering
and
the
sinuosity
of
a
river
system,
this
is
critically
important
for
the
habitat.
J
Currently,
right
now,
we've
got
a
problem
with
beaver
in
the
lower
river,
and
so
when
we,
when
we
look
at
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
restoration
of
of
the
trees
and
and
the
shade
in
the
cover
and
the
canopy
of
the
river
we've
got
challenges
even
faced
with
that
effort.
Of
course,
when
we
look
at
what
happened
here
in
the
lower
river,
the
army
corps
of
engineers
came
in
in
1964
and
they
tried
to
address
the
floodplain
concerns
and
they
just
ripped
out
all
the
vegetation
and
just
basically
ruined
the
river.
J
And
today,
when
we
get
into
doing
stream
bank
restoration
guess
who
we
have
to
get
permission
from
the
army
corps
of
engineers
and
the
the
the
responsible
agency
who
ruined
it.
And
now
we
have
to
go
to
them
to
get
permits,
and
then
they
question
what
we
do
and
how
we
do
it.
We
know
what
we're
doing,
but
yet
we
have
to
still
go
through
that
regulatory
process
to
get
permits.
J
So
when
we
look
at,
you
know
everything
that
that
has
to
do
with
with
the
river
system-
and
this
is
something
that
we
look
at
as
as
far
as
the
the
baseline
fundamental
solution
is
to
have
ecological
integrity,
and
so
when
you
look
at
all
of
these
different
components
that
are
listed
above
on
in
this
chart,
all
of
these
things
contribute
to
it,
and
so
you've
got
to
have
a
healthy
system
in
order
to
support
that
ecological
integrity.
J
And
so
when
we
look
at
the
flow
regimes-
and
you
look
at-
and
this
is
all
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
at
the
top
of
this-
this
slide
here
when
you
look
at
flow
regime.
This
is
what
we're
we're
trying
to
achieve
with
respect
to
the
truckee
river
operating
agreement
and
the
management
of
the
truckee
river,
and
all
of
it
contributes
to
water
quality,
to
the
energy
source,
to
the
physical
habitat
and
to
the
biotic
interactions,
and
that
last
one
is
really
important.
J
So
when
we
look
at
the
channel
characteristics
again,
you
look
at
the
slope,
and
so
we
look
at
our
truckee
river
from
painted
rock
all
the
way
to
pyramid
lake
and
we
and
we
look
at
the
slope
and
we
look
at
the
the
the
grade
you
know.
Of
course,
then
we
look
at
the
seneocity
and,
of
course,
the
amount
of
water
that's
flowing
and
and
the
width
the
depth
you
know
and
then,
of
course
our
our
our
spawning
beds
are
critically
important.
J
J
And
one
of
the
more
critical
components
of
what
we
do
is
a
food
web.
You
know
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
the
food
web.
We
need
to
take
pay
attention
to
the
balance
of
the
food
web
in
the
lake
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
produce
through
our
hatchery
operations
is
going
to
complement
the
food
web.
We
don't
want
to
overstock.
J
We
don't
want
to
put
our
food
web
out
of
balance
and
right
now
we're
doing
a
a
study
on
the
tui
chub
to
each
of
our
smaller
fish.
That
is
part
of
this
food
web
and
we
also
have
red
side
shiners
that
are
in
and
not
they're,
not
present,
basically
same
thing
with
the
tahoe
sucker
in
the
lake,
and
we
look
at
the
marble
bluff
fish
facility
as
a
major
reason.
Why?
J
And
so,
when
we
look
at
these
structures
in
in
the
river
corridor,
we
have
to
ask
ourselves,
you
know:
how
can
we
solve
this
problem?
Well,
continue
to
maximize
the
use
of
these
facilities,
and
so
there
are
different
efforts
that
are
being
done
in
in
the
lower
river
to
try
to
improve
the
fish
passage.
You
know
over
some
of
these
structures
and
that's
all
I
have
so
I'll
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much
that
was
very
informative.
So,
with
that
questions
from
the
committee,
no
well,
this
side's
silent
right
now,
ms
hanson.
H
H
J
Yes,
we
do
the
the
jurisdictional
issue
that
the
tribe
has
a
a
pyramid:
lake
cooperative
cattle's
association-
that
pretty
much
manages
our
grazing
lands
and
they
issue
permits
to
the
users.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
I'm
sure
it's
a
sticky
wicket
all
the
time
for
you
guys
to
have
to
navigate
this,
but
that
struck
me
as
quite
a
kind
of
a
contradiction
that
the
permitting
process
on
on
the
river,
for
you
is,
is
a
different
different
animal
than
the
kind
of
how
you're
able
to
manage
your
your
grazing
land.
So
I'm
sorry
to
hear
that
there's
those
difficulties
for
you
is
there
anything
on
a
on
the
legislative
level
that
we
can
do
in
the
state.
H
J
J
J
Water
quality
is,
is,
is
you
know,
is,
is
you
know
again
another
one
of
those
critical
components
that
we
focus
on
with
respect
to
recovery
and
restoration,
and
so
when
we,
when
we
think
about
the
npdes
permitting
process
that
the
state
is
responsible
for
primarily
for
the
treatment
plant
there
are
sparks,
you
know
we're
always
focusing
on.
You
know
those
load
loads.
You
know
that
the
discharge
limits
that
that,
from
time
to
time,
are
considered
for
amendment
and
and
normally
it's
considered
to
increase
the
discharges
so
we're
concerned
about
that.
J
You
know
we're
primarily
concerned
about
the
nitrogen
and
phosphorus
and
those
con.
You
know
those
contributions
that
degrade.
You
know
the
water
quality
you
know
and
so
that
that
would
be
one
thing
that
that
the
state
can
focus
on,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
would
be
development.
J
You
know,
especially
in
the
in
the
river
corridor,
and
I
think,
whenever
there's
development
and
increases
in
in
effluent,
where,
where
is
that
effluent
going
to
be
discharged,
you
know
I
mean
I
I
I
serve
on
the
northern
nevada,
water
planning,
commission
and,
and
we
we
discuss
a
lot
of
these
issues,
especially
in
the
north
valleys.
J
You
know
up
in
in
in
silver
lake
and
and
stead
in
those
areas,
and
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
development
moving
out
in
spanish
springs,
palomino
valley
and
winnemucca
valley,
and
our
concern
again
is
the
effluent
discharge.
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
the
affluence?
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
the
state
in
this
and
and
a
conservation,
natural
resources
department
and
the
responsibility
there,
we
would
certainly
be
interested
in
wanting
to
to
see
how
we
can
continue
to
protect
water
quality
for
the
truckee
river.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Seeing
no
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
presenting
today.
So
with
that
that
takes
care
of
item
number
three
on
our
agenda.
Today
we
can
go
ahead
and
just
for
the
committee
and
the
public
senator
donate,
and
I
are
communicating
by
phone
if
he
has
a
question
he's
going
to,
let
me
know
and
I'll
make
sure
that
he
zooms
in
and
gets.
A
His
question
asked
so
we'll
go
on
to
item
number
four
presentation
on
renaming
geographic
places
in
nevada.
I
believe
we
have
miss
johnson,
the
executive
secretary
of
the
nevada
state
board
of
geographic
names,
welcome
to
the
committee,
and
please
remember
to
identify
yourself
as
we
move
through
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
No.
K
Problem,
thank
you,
my
for
the
record.
My
name
is
christine
johnson
and
I
am
representing
the
nevada
state
board
on
geographic
names.
Today
there
are
several
people
in
the
room
that
I
recognize
they're,
also
affiliated
with
the
nevada
board
as
well.
So
I'm
just
going
to
present
a
little
bit
of
information
here
on
the
history
of
our
board
and
then
give
some
updates
on
some
state
and
federal
directives
that
are
of
a
timely
interest
right
now
with
regard
to
place
names
on
the
land.
K
So
all
of
my
handouts
for
the
record
are
have
been
submitted
and
are
available
on
photocopy
form
in
the
back
of
the
room.
If
anybody's
interested,
I
just
have
up
here
the
informational
sheet,
the
nevada
state
board
on
geographic
names
was
established
in
1985
by
legislative
mandate,
nrs
statute,
327.100.
K
Established
the
board,
it
is
an
advisory
panel
to
the
u.s
board
on
geographic
names,
which
was
established
in
1890
as
a
way
to
take
management
of
toponyms
out
of
the
hands
of
congress
and
to
make
things
a
little
bit
easier.
If
we
say
that
that
became
easier,
I
don't
know
so
as
of
1890
as
the
country
began
to
expand
and
the
establishment
of
the
west
was
underway.
K
The
u.s
board
started
interacting
with
the
states
beginning
in
the
east
and
as
we
moved
west
and
by
this
time
and
presently
all
50
states
do
have
a
state
board
active
and
operating
each
state
has
its
own
way
of
managing
its
place,
names
and
its
boards.
Not
all
of
them
operate
in
any
way.
Similar.
For
example,
many
of
the
east
coast
states
have
one
person
on
their
board.
Nevada
is
lucky.
We
have
12
agencies
sitting
on
our
board
and
of
those
12
three
are
our
federal
agencies,
the
the
park
service?
K
K
We
meet
three
times
a
year,
which
is
in
present
ways
of
thinking
of
this
kind
of
a
challenge,
because
we
are
up
against
some
state
directives
through
ab-88
that
assemblyman
watts
was
successfully
able
to
pass,
which
is
wonderful
back
last
year
in
2021,
and
that
state
action
necessitates
that
our
board
manage
at
proactively
manage
place
names
in
a
way
that
we
were
never
able
to
before.
K
So
this
is
a
great
kind
of
a
platform
through
state
legislation
to
manage
and
and
proactively
work
to
remedy
some
of
our
offensive
place
names
on
the
land
at
the
same
time
that
that
bill
went
into
effect
back
in
fall
of
2021
the
month
after
that,
in
november,
the
secretary
of
the
interior,
deb
holland
enacted
secretarial
orders,
3404
and
3405,
and
I
will
bring
those
up.
K
That
is
to
establish
a
task
force
separate
and
apart
from
the
us
board
on
geographic
names,
that
was
required
to
locate
all
of
these
names,
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
also
bring
up
the
nevada
list
here.
It
is.
There
are
34
names
in
nevada,
oh
no!
It's
sideways.
Can
we
we'll
not
read
that
sideways
there?
The
list
is
in
the
back.
There
are
34
names
on
the
nevada
landscape
that
will
be
changing
nationwide.
There
are
more
than
650,
like
I
said,
and
this
pertains
only
to
the
native
american
offensive
names.
K
The
task
force
was
challenged
with
how
to
replace
names,
because
you
can't
unname
a
place
according
to
current
directives
on
managing
toponyms
across
the
country.
So
what
we
do
is
to
remove
a
name
you
have
to
have
another
name
to
put
into
the
federal
database
and
and
what
they
did
was
associate.
K
This
kind
of
came
into
a
challenge,
at
least
here
in
nevada,
because
we
were
already
worried
about
how
to
to
deal
with
our
our
offensive
place.
Names
not
just
for
native
americans,
but
any
ethnic
group,
and
that
includes
above
and
beyond
ethnic
or
cultural
offensive
names
or
derogatory
names,
historically
offensive
names.
So
we
were
looking
at
some
of
those
issues
as
well.
K
K
Our
hope
and
goal
was
to
go
and
do
outreach
in
all
of
the
areas
of
the
state
to
be
more
inclusive
and
transparent
and
get
the
the
dialogue
going
with
everybody,
and
that
was
kind
of
taken
away
from
us
and
they're
giving
us
of
the
names
they
did
have
a
60-day
window
that
they
established
where
they
allowed
tribes,
public
comment
and
also
tribal
comment,
and
I
understand
I
do
not
have
and
was
not
given,
but
I
understand,
nine
names
were
submitted
by
tribes
of
the
34
names
that
were
deemed
as
offensive.
K
Nine
names
were
submitted.
Those
names
will
be
given
priority
for
replacement,
but
the
other
25
names
that
remain
on
the
land
are
still
in
our
purview
after
this
is
established
in
in
september.
When
all
the
names
get
changed,
our
board
intends
to
revisit
every
one
of
these
names
and
go
forward
and
ask
our
communities,
and
our
general
process
has
always
been
to
do
outreach
to
the
tribes
and
the
the
county
commissions
with
regard
to.
K
If
somebody
has
a
new
name
proposal
or
somebody
wants
to
change
a
name
or
there's
a
an
inquiry
or
somebody
needs
research
or
something
we
we
do
outreach,
we
involve
people
the
best
that
we
can.
This
board
as
many
boards
are,
is
unfunded
presently,
and
that
has
always
presented
a
challenge
for
the
12
and
now
12
agencies
on
the
board
beginning
in
september.
K
Once
our
board
knows
what
the
new
names
are,
we
will
be
doing
that
outreach
and
working
towards
communication
with
all
groups
concerned
to
determine
whether
the
new
names
established
are
acceptable
or
if
our
people
in
our
state
would
like
to
submit
our
more
meaningful
names,
and
by
that
I
mean
just
replacing
an
offensive
name
with
the
closest
next
name
on.
A
map
is
not
necessarily
meaningful
and
really
not
how
place
names
are
established
in
the
first
place,
and
our
first
effort
with
that,
of
course,
is
is
tribal
communication.
K
So
with
that,
the
other
thing
I
have
here
to
mention
is
3405
also
secretary
order,
and
this
is
what
I
would
call
the
rest
of
the
offensive
names.
This
will
come
after
september
and
this
will
be
associated
with
the
the
any
other
place
names
that
are
deemed
defensive
or
derogatory
with
regard
to
any
other
culture,
group
or
ethnic
group,
and
that
that
will
be
coming
afterwards.
There's
a
presently
a
task
force
being
established
to
manage
those
as
well.
A
And
thank
you
very
much.
It
was
very
interesting
so
putting
my
fiscal
hat
on
which
is
very
hard
to
take
off.
Sometimes
so
you
said
that
this
board
is
not
funded.
So
is
it
because
of
all
the
different
agencies
that
are
involved,
so
it's
sort
of
a
collaboration,
but
it
is
actually
a
state
board
correct.
K
Correct
christine
johnson
for
the
nevada
state
board
on
geographic
names.
Yes,
it
was
established
in
1985
as
an
unfunded
board.
Currently,
our
current
discussion
has
been
such
that
it.
K
It
is
a
challenge
to
figure
out
how
to
associate
those
funds.
I
understand
and
believe
there
is
an
effort
to
find
funding
for
us
to
be
able
to
send
myself
any
of
my
11
colleagues
out
for
one-on-one
communications,
tribal
education
on
on
what's
happening
here
and
to
solicit
participation
and
and
comment
from
from
our
tribes.
I
I
understand
that
that
is
a
possibility
in
the
next
fiscal
year.
But
again
it's
not.
K
We
don't
live
in
a
place
where
one
agency
has
been
able
to
to
manage
those
funds
in
the
past,
so
that
has
been
restrictive.
Unr
has
actually
agreed
recently
to
update
the
website.
K
The
current
website
has
lived
in
this
a
really
sad
little
location
in
the
bureau
of
mines
in
geology,
and
it
does
not
meet
educational
standards
for
to
live
in
a
university
at
all,
so
they
are
working
to
host
and
in
that
way,
that's
gratis
on
their
side
for
for
managing
and
making
it
more
accessible,
ada,
compliant
and
hopefully
interactive.
But
that
is
in
progress
and
based
on
on
availability
and
and
who
has
time
to
to
manage
it
right
now.
A
So
there
is
no
operational
budget
at
all
and
members
serve
without
compensation
right
typically-
and
this
is
it
that's
way
before
my
time,
but
a
lot
of
times-
there'll
be
operational
dollars,
but
no
membership
dollars.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
need
to
take
a
look
at
because
you
have
a
very
heavy
lift
in
front
of
you
for
the
next
couple
of
years,
so
the
state
should
take
on
part
of
that
responsibility
for
that
heavy
lift.
A
Besides
there's
a
couple
places
I'd
like
to
name,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
no,
I'm
just
just
kidding
we'll
we'll,
take
a
look
at
that
and
figure
out
how
we
can
move
forward
with
that.
It
may
not
necessarily
be
out
of
this
committee,
but
we'll
we'll
definitely
have
a
conversation
in
the
future.
That's
great!
Thank
you
all
right.
Other
members
of
the
committee,
mrs
hansen,.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
I
you
might
have
mentioned
it,
but
I
was
looking
through
some
of
the
presentation
and
making
some
notes
so
the
34
names
that
are
on
the
list
in
our
packet.
Those
are
names
that
were
generated
because
of
the
order
because
they
had
the
sq
reference
right.
Is
that
how
the
names
came
about
or
because
we
you,
I
think
you
mentioned
that
nine
of
the
names
the
tribes
would
like
to
see.
Train
changed
nine
of
the
34.
Did
I
understand
that
right?
Okay,
so.
K
Just
so
I'm
clear
on
what
you're
asking
sorry
christine
johnson
for
the
nevada
state
board
on
geographic
names.
The
34
names
that
bore
the
pejorative
sq.
K
So
when
the
research
was
being
done,
they
found
here's
the
34
that
we
know
exist
in
nevada
of
those
when
we
started-
and
it
was
a
very
quick
this
this
this
order
just
happened
in
november
and
by
april
it
was
here-
here's
a
60-day
window.
You
know
you
can
start
asking
for
public
comment
and
again
with
very
little
opportunity
to
disseminate
that
information.
All
of
the
communication
that
was
put
out
for
tribes
was
sent
by
the
federal
government
and
the
task
force
directly
to
tribes
for
comment.
We
state
boards
were
not
part
of
that.
K
We
tried
to
be
proactive
and
get
help
with
getting
the
information
out
and
again
of
the
34
names.
I've
just
been
told
in
in
passing
that
they
they
have
received
as
many
as
nine
replacements
for
the
34..
That
means
25
did
not
receive
suggestions,
but
we
would
like
to
own
responsibility
for
that
moving
forward,
and
let
this
happen
let
those
names
change
as
they
should
by
september,
and
then
our
board
will
own
the
the
in-house
research.
The
way
that
I'm
looking
at
it
to
proactively
solicit
comment
and.
K
Basically,
work
in
a
proactive
way
to
put
nevada's
names
and
our
stamp
on
it,
as
opposed
to
just
a
meaningless
name.
That
was
the
next
closest
name.
H
Chair,
can
I
have
a
follow-up
with
this
being
an
order?
Will
the
tribes
be
able
if
they
say
we're?
Okay,
with
some
of
these,
because
I've
run
into
that?
I
I
represent
seven
counties
from
here
in
washoe,
clear
to
alcohol,
the
northern
counties
and
they're,
sometimes
they're
fine
with
the
name
of
their
high
school.
If
do
they
have
the
ability,
if,
with
this
order
in
place,
that
their
their
wishes
could
be
respected,
and
they
say
you
know
what
some
of
these
names
they're
just
so
historical,
we're?
H
K
Felt
that
it
had
meaning
and
they
wanted
to
retain
it
and
they
are
that
was
not
possible,
so
all
names
will
change,
and
with
that
once
we
are
given
the
list
of
names-
and
I
understand
it
will
be
mid-september.
When
those
names
are
passed
and
agreed
upon
at
the
federal
level,
then
the
states
will
find
out
once
we
have
those
names.
We
will
be
reviewing
them
as
well
and
putting
all
that
information
out
so
that
people
can
comment
on
them.
K
We
have
the
process
by
which
to
suggest
new
names,
whether
it's
at
unnamed
peak
canyon,
butte,
cove,
whatever
we
have
that
process
already
in
place
since
1985..
What
we
do
is
fill
out
a
single
piece
of
paper
and
send
it
up
to
the
feds
and
say
here's
what
we
would
like
to
do,
and
then
they
do
the
research
and
the
outreach
as
well
and
confirm
it
and
vote
yes
or
no,
so
that
same
process
still
exists.
We
haven't
taken
the
vehicle
away
to
manage
that.
K
What
we
have
done
is
kind
of,
because
we
could
not
interact
or
intercede
with
the
secretary
orders.
We
have
no
choice
but
to
wait
for
what
names
are
coming
to
us
and
then
we
will
reach
out
and
same
thing
when
we
do
that
outreach,
their
tribes
could
come
forward
and
say
we
like
the
new
names.
It
could
be
something
as
simple
as
what
was
sq
peak
goes
to
willow
peak,
and
maybe
everyone
likes
that.
But
we
need
to
know
that
we
don't
want
to
take
that
from
a
randomly
generated
list.
H
I
didn't
want
to
preempt
that
and
and
it,
but
it
sounds
like
with
this
order
on
the
federal
level
they're
we're
not
going
to
have
they're
not
going
to
have
that
autonomy,
and
I
have
a
problem
with
that.
So,
even
though
we
passed
ab88,
this
order
kind
of
kind
of
blew
that
up
a
little
bit.
So
thank
you
for
helping
me
to
understand
this
better
thanks.
A
K
We
definitely
have
that
opportunity
to
to
go
down
that
that
path.
One
thing
I
just
want
to
make
clear
is
that
we
we
do
not
have
the
final
say
we
can
submit
it
and
we
can
support
it
and
99
of
the
time
the
federal
board
has
agreed
with
the
states,
but
we
do
not
have
the
the
authority
to
change
names
permanently
on
the
federal
level,
so
any
federal
map.
If
they
chose
not
to
take
our
suggestion,
then
we
would
be
kind
of
back
to
square
one.
But
99
of
the
time.
K
That's
not
been
a
problem,
but
I
believe
that
this
action
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
expected.
So
it
was
just
truly
a
way
to
remove
what
most
of
the
country
views
as
offensive
names
and
in
the
easy
and
and
full
sweeping
motion.
I
I
I
want
to
give
clarification,
though,
because
when
I
see
these
items
discussed
in
the
media,
how
tribe
says
okay
are
not
okay,
I
think
that's
important
to
understand,
because
we
have
elected
leadership
councils
that
can
sign
contracts
or
you
know,
get
basically
legal
documents
and
it
makes
it
difficult
because
you
may
have
tribal
members
or
native
american
groups
that
may
voice
a
different
opinion
regarding
naming
of
something,
so
it
should
be
transparent
the
process.
I
Why
was
that
name
approved
when
another
person
from
that
tribe
didn't
agree
that
that
can
go
to
like
naming
of
areas
of
schools
or
things
like
that?
But
I
don't
see
you
don't
really
do
that.
The
thing
I
really
want
to
bring
up,
though,
was
a
timeline
which
concerns
me
when
we're
meeting
is
the
best
time
to
really
talk
to
most
native
americans,
probably
is
in
the
late
summer
we
have
a
lot
of
cultural
events,
probably
best
to
set
up
tables
and
gather
information.
I
And
I
don't
know
how
we
resolve
that.
But
because
I
think
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
comments
in
the
august
period
in
late
september
period.
But
you
have
a
september
deadline
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
tackle
that
challenge.
K
Well,
as
regarding
the
secretary
order,
the
the
public
comment
and
the
tribal
comment
period
is
is
completed
and
there
is
no.
We
can
collect
the
comments,
of
course,
but
also
the
comments
would
be
focused
on
something
that's
rather
unknown
now,
because
it's
complete
it's
done
and
we're
waiting
for
that
final
list
and
then
we'll
be
moving
forward,
and
I
appreciate
your
feedback
on
the
timeline
that
will
help
us
as
a
board
for
the
next
next
year.
Perhaps
maybe
we
start
working
with
spring
and
summer
setting
up
meetings,
statewide.
I
So
it's
that
is
a
challenge,
especially
if
there's
legislation
written
that
they,
according
with
temple
or
shipple,
it
makes
it
restricted
for
tribes.
They
do
not
have
a
typical
office.
K
And
I
think
that
that
sorry,
christine
johnson,
for
the
state
board
on
geographic
names.
I
do
feel
that
in
that
way,
that's
why
we
may
not
have
seen
the
participation
or
the
feedback
or
the
comments
coming
from
tribes,
because
this
was
a
nationwide
sweeping
notification
to
all
and
I'd
like
to
also
mention.
This
was
only
to
federally
recognize
tribes,
which
is
something
to
consider
as
well,
and
that
again
was
out
not
in
the
state's
purview.
K
It
was
done
at
the
federal
level
and
I
personally
got
phone
calls
from
tribes,
not
just
in
our
state
but
as
far
away
as
as
northern
washington
state
asking
for
help.
How
do
we
get
this
information?
And
how
do
we
know
if
they
got
ours,
naming
suggestions
and
we
weren't
part
of
that
action,
which
was
a
challenge
and
I
think
all
states
are
going
to
be
left
with
a
little
bit
of
of
backlash
of
of
sorts
and
cleanup.
K
A
A
M
Okay,
great
thank
you
well
good
morning,
madam
chair,
my
relatives,
legislators,
friends
and
colleagues.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
this
time.
My
name
is
michonne
eben.
I
manage
the
cultural
resource
program
for
the
reno
sparks
in
and
colony,
I'm
also
the
tribal
historic
preservation
officer
as
well
for
the
renal
sparks
in
the
colony.
I
just
want
to
give
a
little
background
of
myself.
My
father's
people
are
from
primal
lake
tribe.
My
mother's
people
are
from
death
valley,
tim,
bishop,
shoshone
and
today
we're
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
M
What's
going
on
at
pahi,
maha
zachary
pass,
and
I
want
to
introduce
mr
will
falk.
He
is
our
litigation
attorney
he's
representing
the
reno
sparks
any
colony,
so
he
is
going
to
be
presenting
issues
and
all
the
information
in
regards
to
sacraments
lithium
mine
so
I'll
give
it
away
to
will.
Thank
you.
N
N
10
minutes,
okay,
I
will.
I
will
specifically
focus
on
tribal
consultation
issues.
The
the
thacker
pass
lithium
mine
is
would
be
the
the
nation's
and,
I
believe,
the
world's
largest
open
pit
lithium
mine
it's
up
in
in
humboldt
county.
It
is
about
65
miles
northwest
of
winnemucca.
N
N
A
lot
of
people
hear
lithium
mining
and
they
kind
of
shut
their
minds
off
off,
giving
lithium
mining
a
hall
passed
because,
of
course,
everyone
knows
that
lithium
mining
is
going
to
save
us
from
climate
change,
but
a
few
a
few
things,
a
few
environmental
things
to
think
about.
To
maybe
open
your
mind,
there
will
be
over
150
000
tons
of
carbon
dioxide
equivalent
emissions
produced
by
this
mine
annually.
N
That
is
equivalent
to
the
emissions
of
a
small
city.
It
will
involve
burning,
11,
300
gallons
of
diesel
on
site
every
single
day
and
the
mining
process
that
they'll
be
using
involves
sulfuric
acid
to
leech
out
the
lithium
from
from
the
earth
there,
the
they'll
be
getting
their
sulfuric
acid,
primarily
from
oil
refineries,
so
in
in
in
the
logic
of
fighting
climate
change.
We
would
hope
that
green
energies
would
replace
the
fossil
fuel
industry
and
replace
fossil
fuel
infrastructure.
N
Well,
if,
if
the
very
mines
that
are
producing
the
products
that
are
supposed
to
do,
this
are
dependent
upon
the
fossil
fuel
infrastructure.
That
is,
that
is
not
something
that
is
going
to
be
possible.
N
So
I
also
want
to
say
that,
and
I'm
sure
that
that
people
are
aware
of
this,
the
the
project
is
on
fully
on
federal
public
lands
administered
by
the
bureau
of
land
management,
and
so,
whatever
your
position
on
on
lithium
mining
is
you
have
to
understand
that
the
1872
mining
act
makes
it
virtually
guaranteed
that,
if
a
corporation,
like
lithium
nevada
corporation,
the
the
project
sponsor
in
this
case,
if
they,
if
they
are
diligent
about
filling
out
their
their
permit
applications,
the
agencies
are
obligated
to
permit
these
mines.
N
So
it's
when
we're
talking
about
something
like
tribal
consultation,
we're
not
talking
about
even
having
the
legal
capability
of
stopping
the
mine.
So
these
conversations
are
conversations
about
whether
you're
for
or
against
lithium
mining.
These
are
conversations
about
whether
you
are
for
or
against
giving
tribes
their
rights
to
be
consulted
about
these
projects.
N
So
that's
that's
another
point
a
lot
of
times,
especially
non-lawyers
when
they
hear
the
term
consultation
they
they
kind
of
picture.
This
situation.
Where
you
know
you
go
to
consult
with
someone,
you
go
and
ask
their
opinion,
and
you
take
that
opinion
into
account
when
you,
when
you
do
what
you
want
to
do,
but
that
that
is
not
actually
how
consultation
works
under
federal
law.
All
that
federal
law
requires
for
these
kinds
of
projects
is,
is
giving
giving
tribes
an
opportunity
to
voice
their
concerns.
They
don't
have
to
consider
those
concerns.
N
They
are
very
free
to
simply
listen
smile,
nod
their
heads
and
make
everyone
feel
like
they
were
heard
so
that
another
key
part
of
this
is
that
consultation
is
not
consent.
N
So
for
the
for
the
peoples
who
existed
on
these
lands
for
time
immemorial,
who
were
very
directly
pushed
off
their
land
for
mining
interests
and
when
their
sacred
places
will
be
affected,
like
will
happen
at
thacker
pass
all
they
all
the
rights
that
they
have
under
under
federal
law
for
these
projects
is
to
voice
those
concerns,
usually
on
a
deadline
provided
by
the
agency.
N
So
what
is
in
thacker
pass
is
is
very
important.
Here.
Factor
pass
is
sacred
for
a
number
of
reasons,
but
the
two
reasons
all
focus
on
today
is
it's
the
site
of
two
massacres.
One
massacre
is
is
described
in
paiute
oral
history.
It
gives
thacker
past
the
paiute
name,
pahi
maha,
which
means
rotten
moon
pahimahan
got
its
name
after
some
paiute
hunters
were
in
a
over
in
a
valley.
N
N
N
There
was
a
massacre
by
the
first
nevada,
cavalry
so
nevadans
that
were
employed
by
the
federal
government
as
part
of
the
snake
war,
which
happened
in
the
late
1860s.
The
snake
war
was
a
war
primarily
fought
by
the
regions.
Indigenous
people,
not
not
simply
paiute
people,
but
they
were
the
war,
was
was
primarily
started
by
minors,
encroaching
on
native
land
and
native
americans,
defending
their
their
ances
ancestral
lands.
N
So,
on
september,
12
1865,
the
first
nevada
cavalry
snuck
up
on
a
peaceful
paiute
camp
there
in
thacker
pass
and
contemporary
soldiers
reports,
and
contemporary
newspaper
reports
said
that
between
30
and
70
paiute
men,
women
and
children
were
massacred
in
thacker
pass.
The
newspaper
articles
explain
a
running
battle
that
took
place
over
four
or
five
miles
and
in
fact
one
of
the
local
newspapers
published
a
quote
about
how
everyone
knows
that
when,
when
soldiers
ambush
indians,
indians
can
take
quote
an
astonishing
amount
of
lead
before
they
crawl
away
and
die.
N
So
this
was
a
horribly
brutal
massacre
where
federal
soldiers
didn't
even
bother
to
go
and
bury
the
the
people
that
they
murdered
so
the
in
the
thacker
pass
project.
What
we
have
is
is
mining
interests
who
only
have
access
to
to
attacker
pass
because
of
a
brutal
war
and
massacres
like
the
september
12
1865
massacre
coming
in
and
destroying
the
very
evidence
of
that
september.
12
1865
massacre
by
putting
a
mine
on
top
of
of
this
very
sacred
site.
N
My
clients,
with
the
reno
sparks
indian
colony,
have
explained
to
me
that
thacker
pass
is,
is
like
arlington,
national
cemetery
to
them
or
like
the
battlefield
at
gettysburg.
N
I
think
the
public
would
definitely
want
to
have
more
of
a
right
than
just
consultation
if
a
government
proposed
to
put
a
lithium
ion
on
top
of
pickett's
charge
at
gettysburg.
So
how
can
the
state
of
nevada
get
involved
and
have
more
of
an
influence
on
on
a
more
just
consultation
process?
N
Well,
I
think
the
the
most
obvious
example
here
is
by
the
nevada
state
historic
preservation
office
when
they
they,
the
nevada
state
historic
preservation
office,
is
required
to
consult
and
provide
concurring
opinions
with
the
bureau
of
land
management
when,
when
sacred
sites
or
historic
properties
are
affected
by
a
federal
project,
even
if
it
is
completely
on
federal
lands.
N
So
thacker
pass
blm
did
acknowledge
without
a
consulting
with
any
tribes
that
over
a
thousand
cultural
resource
sites
would
be
destroyed
in
thacker,
pass
over
58
historic
properties.
That
would
be
eligible
for
inclusion
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places
would
be
destroyed
and
through
emails
that
we
now
have
from
the
production
of
the
administrative
record
in
our
lawsuit
against
the
bureau
of
land
management.
N
We
have
learned
that
the
sole
extent
of
blm's
consultation
efforts
in
connection
with
the
world's
biggest
open
pit
lithium
mine
was
sending
a
series
of
three
letters
to
three
tribes
that
they
originally
identified
as
needing
to
be
consulted
about
fact
or
pass
for
for
possibly
having
cultural
connections
to
thacker
pass.
N
Those
three
tribes
were
fort
mcdermott
summit
lake
and
the
winnemucca
indian
colony,
as
as,
as
the
facts
would
have
it.
None
of
those
tribes
responded.
Blm,
never
tried
to
pick
up
a
phone
and
call
there's
no
documented
phone
calls
or
blm
called
a
tribal
office.
N
There's
no
documented
emails
sent
to
to
tribal
council
employees
or
tribal
government
about
about
this
project
and,
of
course,
this
whole
permitting
process
was
happening
during
covet
19
when,
as
as
state
and
federal
agencies
knew,
most
tribal
offices
were
shut
down
and
and
many
tribal
employees
were
working
from
home
where
they
would
not
be
coming
into
their
office
to
check
their
their
mail
very
often
regardless
blm
policy
and,
in
fact,
the
federal
law,
which
is
codified
in
in
a
2014
state
protocol.
N
And
yet
the
nevada
state,
historic
preservation
office
concurred
with
with
blm
statements
about
consultation
and
and
did
not
request
that
blm
substantiate
any
claims
that
it
had
begun.
Tribal
consultation
in
this
for
this
project,
of
course,
inevitably
after
the
the
record
of
decision
was
issued
in
january
of
2021
after
being
fast-tracked
under
a
trump
era,
a
secretarial
order
that
forced
federal
agencies
to
complete
the
nepa
environmental
impact
statement
process
in
under
a
year
after
that
record
of
decision
was
issued.
N
The
bureau
of
land
management
received
letters
from
six
tribes,
including
the
three
tribes
that
blm
said
it
consulted
with
all
saying
that
you
have
been
representing
now
that
we
see
these
documents
you've
been
representing,
that
you've
been
consulting
with
us
for
the
last
three
years.
That
has
not
been
the
case.
Please
explain
to
us
why
you
are.
You
are
representing
this
to
the
public,
so
I
guess
to
kind
of
conclude.
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
very
helpful
and
that's
actually
achievable
through
through
this
through
the
state
agencies.
N
I
don't
think
it's
it's
accurate
to
assume
that
the
state
of
nevada
has
no
influence
over
the
tribal
consultation
projects
for
projects
exclusively
on
public
land.
That
2014
state
protocol
agreement
under
the
national
historic
preservation
office
gives
the
nevada
state
historic
preservation
officer
lots
of
power
to
request
things
like
the
bureau
of
land
management,
slow
down
point
out
to
the
bureau
of
land
management
that
sending
a
letter
and
receiving
no
response
is
not
an
adequate
effort
to
initiate
tribal
consultation
and
to
generally
help
the
their
federal
counterparts.
N
N
And
then
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
important
that
that
agencies
are
directed
through
legislation,
not
through
policy,
because
agencies
are
very
well
coached.
Whenever
they're
challenged
on
their
decisions
where
their
the
policies
and
the
procedures
that
they're
often
required
to
follow
or
refer
to
in
actual
legislation,
they
they
use
the
argument
that
those
policies
are
merely
advisory
so
that,
when
they're
challenged,
no
one
can
invoke
those
policies
in
in
courts
to
actually
hold
them
to
those
policies.
So
it
takes
legislation
directly.
N
You
know
to
to
to
give
tribes
the
the
right
to
to
challenge
the
procedures
and
gives
them
specific
language
to
say.
Oh
no,
you
actually
were
supposed
to
do
this.
It
was.
It
was
included
in
the
law.
It's
not
just
in
your
policy.
You,
you
actually
legally,
are
obligated
to
follow
these
procedures.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
The
legislature
typically
does
not
get
involved
in
things
that
are
currently
being
litigated,
but
we
always
want
to
be
informed
and
know
what's
going
on,
but
we're
very
careful
not
to
insert
ourselves
or
make
changes
that
would
give
undue
advantage
to
one
side
to
one
litigant
versus
another.
A
So
we
do
appreciate
the
information,
but
this
subcommittee
and
any
committee
of
the
legislature
is
always
very
wary
when
there's
ongoing
litigation
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
questions
from
the
committee
members
knowing
full
well
that
this
record
will
not
reflect
any
opinion
of
the
legislature
to
be
used
moving
forward.
So
yes,
mr
fox.
N
Yes,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that,
if
that's
going
to
be
the
legislature's
policy,
there's
there's
backer
passes
is
the
farthest
in
development,
but
there's
five
other
mines
that
are
in
development
within
the
mcdermott
caldera
or
just
outside
of
and
those
those
mines
are
being
fast-tracked
now.
Pres,
president
biden
revoked
the
trump
era
secretarial
order
that
fast-tracked
things
like
lithium
mining,
but
then,
a
year
later
he
turned
around
and
is
is
invoking
the
defense
act
that
allows
him
to
do
the
exact
same
thing.
N
My
point
is
that
these
mines
are
going
to
be
up
and
and
running
while
there's
going
to
be
kind
of
constant
litigation
for
the
next
few
years
against
these
mines.
So
if
the
state
legislature
is
is
going
to
use
that
kind
of
you
know
just
blanket
refusal
to
to
legislate
on
these
things,
then
all
those
mines
are
going
to
be
in
before
any
sort
of
law
could
could
help
the
tribes.
A
So,
mr
falk,
maybe
I
didn't
make
myself
perfectly
clear
because
you're
talking
about
current
litigation,
that's
going
on
asking
us
to
propose
legislation
that
would
give
undue
advantage
is
one
thing
having
a
public
policy
discussion
moving
forward
on
how
changes
can
be
made
so
that
nevadans
have
a
clearer
and
better
voice.
As
these
things
move
forward
would
be
different.
As
those
things
materialize.
A
That's
a
that's
a
statement
that
we
typically
make
when
folks
come
to
us
to
share
information.
Nothing
against
your
your
client,
your
issue.
We
just
have
to
make
sure
that
the
record
is
correct
when
there's
there's
ongoing
litigation,
we
want
to
know
about
the
problems
and
we
want
to
address
them
in
the
future,
but
we
also
have
to
make
sure
that
the
record's
correct
on
how
we
move
forward.
So
it's
not
that
the
legislature
does
not
want
to
take
action.
I
For
the
record
clifford
van
waal
center
tribal
council
nevada,
mr
faulk,
you
bring
up
an
extra
interesting
point,
which
is
the
shippo
office
and
probably
other
state
offices
that
are
involved
in
the
review
of
nepa
documents
like
an
environmental
impact
statement,
and
so
I
just
went
because
ab264,
which
was
the
2019
bill
that
mandated
each
division,
division,
department
of
state
nevada,
consults
with
tribes
and
perhaps
policy-wise
there
could
be
language
in
there
that
addresses
that
the
state
agencies
that
are
reviewing
the
nepa
documents
engage
the
tribes
during
the
review
process
before
a
record
of
decisions
made.
I
I
I
think
that
could
be
beneficial.
Do
you
think
so?.
N
Definitely
it
it.
It
could
definitely
signal
two
to
federal
agencies
that
you
know
there
need.
There
needs
to
be
a
better
effort
here.
So
yes,
policy,
I
I
you're
you're.
Definitely
right
policy
would
be
helpful.
H
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
mr
falk.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions.
I
represent
this
area
and
I
was
curious.
H
H
So,
are
you
aware,
have
you
had
conversations
with
the
fort
mcdermott
tribal
representative.
H
And
about
their
ongoing
communication
with
lithium,
nevada
and
and
the
efforts
of
outreach
there
that
that
tribe
is
within
50
miles,
reno
sparks
indian
colony
and
and
and
some
of
the
others
are,
you
know
couple
hundred
miles
away.
It's
my
understanding
that
at
least
maybe
around
50
of
the
mcdermott
tribe
members
of
the
350
tribe
plan
to
have
jobs
there,
and
it's
been
my
impression
that
the
support,
or
I
should
say
the
opposition
is
not
as
as
maybe
what
you're
indicating
from
the
reno
sparks
indian
colony.
N
Yeah
and-
and
just
you
know,
to
clarify
talking
about
cultural
resources,
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind.
The
first
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
tribal
the
tribal
governments
in
this
system
of
tribal
governments
were
established
by
the
federal
government
after
after
tribes
were,
you
know,
endured
several
decades
of
genocide.
N
So
someone
like
miss
evan
that
the
tribal
historic
preservation
officer
at
reno
sparks
she
likely
had
ancestors
that
that
moved
through
thacker
pass,
and
you
know
her
ancestors
bones
that
are
that
are
probably
there
from
that
massacre.
You
know
they
they
should
have.
N
This
is
kind
of
a
common
tactic
that
lithium,
nevada
and
blm
has
done
is
prop
up
prop
up
fort
mcdermott,
as
as
the
tribal
voice
in
in
in
the
region
for
this
project,
and
that,
unfortunately,
is
not
what
the
law
requires
and
just
doesn't
really
reflect
the
the
actual
value
of
tribal
resources
and
cultural
resources.
M
And
if,
if
I
could
add
this
is
miss
shawnee
been
reno's
roxanne
colony
for
the
record
ms
hansen,
I
would
like
to
say
that
yes
will
is
saying
that
in
traditional
society
our
people
were
bans
and
in
fact,
between
1864
to
1868
was
the
massacres
that
occurred
on
paiute
people
and
shoshone
people,
because
our
ancestors
were
fighting
against
the
intruders
coming
in
and
desecrating
the
land
and
the
resources.
M
Then
in
1872
was
the
mining
became
the
federal
mining
law
and
when
that
was
all
happening,
there
was
no
fort
mcdermott
tribal
council.
There
there
was
no
renal
sparks
in
the
colony.
There
was
no
summit
lake.
There
was
no
pyramid.
Lake
paiute
tribe,
they
weren't
governments,
yet
as
they
are
today,
and
what
will
is
describing
is
is
that,
yes,
our
ancestors
were
bands
that
were
traveling
all
around
this
area,
so
just
because
one
tribe
is
50
miles
away.
That
is
all
a
colonization
aspect.
M
At
looking
at
projects
in
in
these
areas,
we
were
all
individualized
after
the
1872
mining
law
came
into
came
into
play,
because
then
we
were
all
taken
away:
put
prisoners
of
war,
continued
to
be
massacred,
put
away
and
put
away
at
these
fourths,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
want
to
make
that
clear
that
there
was
no
tribal
governments
when
this
was
taking
place
in
in
the
18
in
the
late
1800s.
Also
the
renal
sparks
in
the
colony
we
represent
members
and
descendants
of
paiute,
washoe
and
shoshone
people
today.
M
Currently
we
have
tribal
members
that
have
a
direct
relations
to
factor
pass
and
also
to
fort
mcdermott
area.
We
also
have
employees,
residents
and
members,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
make
that
clear
that
having
this
mindset
of
the
closest
tribe
is
should
be
dealing
with
that.
That
is
that's
I
I
just
think.
That's
not
it's!
It's
not
a
way
for
us
to
be
that's
why
I
introduced
myself
this
morning
and
said
hello
good
morning,
my
relatives,
because
our
relatives
were
all
related.
M
We
didn't
have
boundaries,
fences
lines
we
we
were
all
related,
we're
all
one
and
because
of
the
massacres
and
the
1872
mining
law,
and
of
all
these
federal
laws
over
a
thousand
laws
made
for
tribal
people
were
all
now
individualized
set
off
into
these
different
areas,
and
we
tell
each
other.
Oh
that's
fort
mcdermott's
problem.
Oh
that's
duck
valley's
problem,
that's
reno
sparks
in
the
colonies
problems.
M
When
I'm
talking
to
my
relatives,
we
need
to
all
be
one
and
be
together
on
this,
because
you
know
electric
vehicles
are
not
going
to
save
our
we
to
save
this
world,
and
also
too
is
you.
I
was
just
listening
to
my
relative
mervin
wright
talk
about
the
water
as
we're
going
to
listen
to
the
next
agenda
items
they're
all
important
areas
that
we
all
need
to
be
working
together
on.
I
A
I
Clifford
memorial
yeah,
I
feel
like
I
do-
need
to
say
this,
so
I'm
employed
by
the
tribal
council
of
nevada,
which
is
a
consortium
of
now
28,
federally
recognized
tribes
in
nevada,
and
my
people
are
the
one,
a
dikka
of
newa
western
shoshone
from
ruby
valley,
nevada,
and
I
cannot
speak
for
another
tribe.
I
But
I
do
want
to
clarify
for
the
record
that
the
state
and
myself
as
the
tribal
representative
on
the
subcommittee
did
reach
out
to
the
fort
mcdermott
tribe.
However,
they
had
a
conflicting
meeting
and
the
entire
staff
that
would
have
been
at
this
meeting
was
unable
to
attend
because
of
the
leading
media
winnemucca.
So
I
do
want
to
point
that
out
for
the
record.
A
And
they're,
more
than
welcome
to
submit
any
written
testimony
that
they'd
like
to
add
to
the
record
for
today.
So
with
that,
I
believe
it's
been.
This
has
been
thoroughly
discussed
and
any
policy
changes
moving
forward
can
be
brought
to
any
legislature
and
they'd
be
have
a
time
to
have
those
conversations
about
it
as
we
move
forward.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
item
number
five
and
move
on
to
item
number
six,
which
is
a
presentation
on
the
swamp,
cedars
national
monument.
A
A
Oh,
we
have
had
no
one
sign
in
yet
for
item
number
six,
so
I
tell
you
what
we'll
do
rather
than
wait
if
they
heard
this
and
they're
getting
ready
to
sign
in
go
ahead,
and
please
sign
in
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
next
agenda
item
but
then
return
to
item
number
six.
If
they
have
an
opportunity
to
sign
in,
I
know
sometimes
there's
technical
difficulties
so
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
to
item
number
seven,
which
is
a
presentation
on
the
avikwama
national
monument.
E
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
having
me
today
for
the
record.
My
name
is
taylor:
patterson,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
native
voters,
alliance,
nevada,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
bishop
paiute
tribe,
and
I
know
on
there
it
said
fort
mojave
representative,
but
I
work
in
coordination
with
fort
mojave,
so
sorry
to
disappoint
for
all
of
you.
E
So
I
went
ahead
and
provided
a
presentation
that
I
think
they
said
that
y'all
have
copies
of
on
just
a
physical
piece
of
paper,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
run
through
the
presentation,
as
I
normally
would
so
to
begin,
the
honor,
avi,
kwame,
designation
or
effort
is
an
effort
to
designate
public
lands
within
clark
county
as
a
national
monument.
E
The
effort
is
supported
and
led
by
tribal
nations,
particularly
the
fort
mojave
indian
tribe
has
been
working
on
this
initiative
for
a
couple
of
decades
now
long
before
my
time,
but
they
have
been
at
this
for
quite
a
while.
The
effort
is
also
supported
by
the
local
clark
county
communities
and
a
bunch
of
environmentalists
and
environmental
groups.
E
So
within
that
presentation
we
have
a
map
of
the
proposed
monument
area,
so
it
is
kind
of
hard
to
see
because
we
have
a
lot
of
designations
and
little
things
kind
of
cut
out
in
the
map,
but
the
primary
monument
would
be
that
blue
sort
of
middle
part.
E
You
see
searchlight
there
in
the
center,
which
would
be
one
of
the
closest
communities,
but
the
closest
neighbors
would
be
the
fort
mojave
indian
reservation,
searchlight,
like
I
mentioned,
laughlin
to
the
very
south
and
then
boulder
city
to
the
north
as
well.
So
generally,
when
I
describe
the
area,
I
tell
folks
that
it's
in
between
boulder
city
and
laughlin
is
kind
of
the
easiest
way
to
describe
it
on
this
map,
but,
as
mentioned
it's
home
to
a
lot
of
different
resources,
cultural,
natural,
ecological.
E
But
what
you
can
kind
of
see
with
this
insane
looking
map
is
just
the
vast
amount
of
designations
that
already
exist
in
the
area.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
protections
on
the
california
side
and
a
lot
of
protections
on
the
arizona
side,
with
this
kind
of
area
of
critical
environmental
concern
in
nevada,
overlaid
with
some
wilderness
areas
and
other
designations
as
well,
but
it
created
a
sort
of
donut
hole
in
the
center.
E
I
wish
assemblyman
jager
was
here
to
hear
that
one,
because
he
would
really
like
that,
but
it
created
a
donut
hole
in
the
center
for
a
lack
of
protection
in
this
very
sacred
area,
and
so
this
boundary
I'm
actually
really
proud
of,
because
the
laughlin
city
council
had
commented
that
it
was
one
of
the
best
processes
they
have
ever
had
working
with
a
coalition
just
because
the
feedback
that
we
have
taken
from
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders
and
have
really
incorporated
into
this
boundary
and-
and
it's
tough.
E
I
I
asked
one
of
our
representatives
from
fort
mohave
gosh.
How
often
are
you
guys
working
in
coordination
with
the
city
of
laughlin
and
they
kind
of
chuckled
and
said?
Never,
so
it
really
is
a
coalition
that
is
just
so
diverse
in
all
of
its
stakeholders
and
somehow
we
managed
to
come
up
with
a
boundary
that
fit
everybody's
needs
and
still
allowed
the
communities
surrounding
it
to
grow,
but
also
protected
the
natural
resources
and
cultural
resources
within
the
national
monument
area.
E
E
I
think
we
may
have
been
bumped
up
a
little
bit
because
there
was
some
wildfires
in
california,
so
I
would
like
an
official
recount
because
I
think
we
have
probably
been
bumped
up
a
little
bit
on
the
list,
but
this
is
just
a
small
glimpse
of
the
the
wonders
that
exist
within
the
national
monument
area.
And
previously
the
fort
mohave
indian
tribe
had
work
to
designate
spirit
mountain
itself
within
the
national
historic
places
registry,
and
so
this
is
just
a
little
bit.
E
How
like
national
monuments
get
created,
but
I
think,
as
state
legislature,
the
state
legislature,
you
guys
kind
of
know
that
hopefully
anyways
so
all
of
the
different
things
within
the
area
that
it
would
preserve
the
of
course,
native
american
cultural
sites,
where
the
avi
kwame
national
monument
area
is
sacred
to
over
a
dozen
human-speaking
tribes
for
the
fort
mojave,
indian
tribe
and
the
other
human-speaking
tribes.
E
The
spirit
mountain
area
is
sacred
to
them,
because
it
is
the
point
of
their
creation
story.
It
is
where
all
of
the
life
began
for
their
tribe
and
and
where
all
of
these
tribes
came
out
and
began
life,
and
it
is
also
a
very
important
part
of
their
life
cycle,
because
all
life
will
return
to
that
area
as
well.
And
so
this
has
been
a
place.
E
I've
been
kind
of
entitling
it
as
a
cultural
corridor,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
tribes
in
the
very,
very
southern
part
of
our
state
and
in
california,
and
arizona
as
well
moving
through
this
area,
and
so
we
also
had
a
lot
of
southern
paiute
tribes,
the
new
people
that
were
in
this
area
as
well,
because
it
is
a
part
of
the
traditional
salt
song
trail
and
so
much
like
the
human
creation
stories.
The
salt
song
trail
holds
a
lot
of
the
life
cycle
of
the
southern
paiute
people.
E
That
area
of
critical
environmental
concern
is,
of
course,
like
home
to
a
lot
of
migratory
corridors
as
well.
That
would
be
kind
of
looped
into
that
national
monument
status,
but
luckily
there
still
would
be
recreation
in
the
area.
We
prided
ourselves
on
really
trying
to
engage
the
ohv
community
and
really
be
inclusive
to
all
of
the
different
stakeholders
and
just
trying
to
work
with
as
many
people
as
we
can,
and
I
think
that's
really.
E
The
mark
of
a
good
coalition
is
the
diversity
of
its
members,
and
so
I
feel,
like
we've,
been
very
successful
in
that
regard.
It
is
also
home
to
walking
box
ranch,
which
I
find
to
be
very
fascinating.
It
was
the
home
to
old
movie
star,
clara
and
rex
bell.
It
was
their
kind
of
little
holiday
getaway,
and
so
that
is
a
preserved
building.
They
have
the
friends
of
walking
box
ranch
that
hold
events
out
there,
and
you
can
also
still
visit
as
well.
E
We
also
have
the
historic
mojave
trail
and
road
out
there
as
well.
That's
been
utilized
since
I
believe
the
1860s.
So
we
have
such
a
long,
long,
history
of
just
people
in
this
area,
both
indigenous
and
otherwise,
and
the
avi
kwame
national
monument
would
be
able
to
preserve
this.
E
And
so
currently,
we've
had
marker
bill
legislation
introduced
by
congresswoman,
dina,
titus
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
big
the
beginning,
but
also
the
the
towards
the
end
of
this
process
of
designating
a
national
monument
and
we've
really
been
engaging
with
the
department
of
the
interior
and
a
lot
of
folks
on
this
to
try
to
move
this
project
forward.
So
I'll
go
ahead
and
end
the
presentation
there
keep
it
short
and
open
up
for
questions.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
we
see
a
long
list
of
supporters
in
your
presentation
also.
So
that's
that's
always
a
a
positive
sign.
I
had
not
realized
until
I
looked
at
this
map
how
large
it
it
actually
was.
I
had
it
pictured
differently
in
my
mind,
so
with
that
open
it
up
for
questions,
senator
goku,
chia.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
question
is
hum,
you
know
this
is
a
big
area
and
we
know
there
are
private
holdings
in
there.
Do
you
have
a
percentage
of
how
much
of
this
is
actually
privately
held?.
E
Thank
you,
taylor,
patterson,
for
the
record.
I
do
not
have
the
numbers
off
of
the
top
of
my
head.
I
can
go
ahead
and
submit
that
to
the
committee
via
email,
if
that's
appropriate,
because
it
is
a
450
000
acres.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I
have
all
my
ducks
in
a
row
before
I
give
you
a
number.
A
And
that
would
be
fine
any
we.
We
always
appreciate
somebody
saying:
let
me
check
on
that
to
make
sure
I
give
you
accurate
data,
so
we
do
appreciate
that
any
other
questions
senator
oh.
A
No
ms
hanson
none
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
I
had
forgotten
that
the
ranch
was
actually
out
there
within
this.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Seeing
no
other
questions
we'll
go
ahead
and
close.
This
item
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
back
to
item
six
to
see
if
either
of
our
presenters
are
available
on
zoom
right
now,
do
we
have
a
mr
steele
or
miss
spillsberry
on
zoom.
A
I
don't
believe
so
we'll
have
to
do
some
follow-up
on
that
to
make
sure
that
they
have
their
opportunity
all
right.
So,
with
that
item
number
eight
is
discussion
of
indigenous
participation
with
public
lands
issues.
We
had
a
tribal
chair,
mr
thomas
scheduled,
but
I
he
was
not
sure
if
he
was
going
to
be
able
to
attend.
Is
mr
thomas
available.
A
L
L
L
L
So
for
me
we
roamed
these
lands
free
for
all
our
lives,
not
worrying
about
what
was
out
there
or
danger.
We
hunted
freely
deer
rabbits
duck.
Our
wetlands
were
flush.
We
had
community
rabbit
drives,
not
only
as
the
mr
wright
and
michonne
said,
but
as
relatives
we
had
huge
community
rabbit
drives
out.
In
those
whole,
our
whole
ancestral
lands
where
we
included
a
lot
of
our
relatives
from
this
area,
walker,
river,
reno
sparks
and
when
the
rabbit
drivers
were
over.
L
So
good
morning,
my
precious
native
relatives
and
dignified
guests,
my
name,
is
kathy
williams,
tooney,
I'm
the
chairwoman
of
the
fellow
shoshone
tribe,
it's
a
great
honor
to
be
here
today
with
you
and
to
present
our
native
stand
on
the
most
critical
issue
confronting
our
tribal
nations.
Today,
the
protection
of
our
native
ancestral
sites,
in
which
we
will
call
our
nimanua
homelands.
L
We
were
known
as
the
toy
takata,
the
thule
eaters
we
were
created
in
the
marshlands
on
the
on
the
baselands
of
the
ancestral
lands
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
today,
we're
going
to
share
just
a
little
bit
of
the
big
picture
of
how
important
we
as
toytecata
thrive,
to
protect
our
ancestral
homelands,
not
only
for
us
but
for
our
entire
numenous
nation.
L
L
So
this
is
our
story:
the
paiute
and
shoshone
people,
the
numa
and
noe,
as
we
call
ourselves
lived
here
and
thrived
across
western
great
basin
since
time
immemorial
immemorial,
safeguarding
our
lands
waters
and
our
wildlife.
L
L
L
O
O
O
L
So
here
is
only
one
site:
one
of
the
sites
that
we're
seeking
to
protect
fox
peak
is
also
known
as
jobs
peak.
This
is
right
here,
and
this
is
a
picture
that
I
took
with
my
own
little
phone
one
day,
driving
down
agency
road,
and
I
looked
aside
and
that's
what
I
saw
and
that's
one
of
the
areas
where
there's
not
there's
houses
on
each
side.
There's
a
road
there's
power,
poles,
and
this
one
little
spot
is
where
you
can
get
that
perfect.
L
L
L
L
Grimes
point
is
also
one
of
our
other
archaeological
sites
that
we're
seeking
to
protect
and
for
me,
as
a
licensed
teacher
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
arizona,
that's
that's
very,
very
important
to
me,
because
an
abundance
of
the
carb
rock
art
called
petroglyphs
cover
the
basal
boulders
at
grimes
point.
If
you,
if
you
visit,
we
ask
you
to
please
treat
the
sacred
site
respectfully
and
refrain
from
touching
or
damaging
the
petroglyphs
in
any
way.
L
So,
every
year
I
would
do
a
pres,
a
project
with
my
kids
and
we
get
as
close
as
we
could
to
a
hide.
We
would
use
the
old
brown
cardboard
bags
and
we
paint
them
and
we
make
our
own
stories
based
on
our
trip
up
there
and
the
kids
every
year
that
we've
gone
their
stories
are
so
different,
but
they're
so
similar.
O
Layla
shepard,
so
one
of
the
other
areas
that
we're
seeking
to
protect
is
our
wetlands,
so
the
pneuma
nui
conservation
area
is
rich
in
wildlife,
providing
a
refuge
for
multiple
important
species.
The
wetlands
of
the
valley
each
year
play
host
to
migrating
birds.
The
alpine
uplands
provide
a
habitat
for
bighorn,
sheep
and
other
big
games.
L
And
this
is
chairwoman:
this
is
chairwoman
tooney
on
our
reservation.
We
have
a
wildlife
refuge
area
that
is,
is
nationally
designated
and
we
keep
very
good
care
of
it,
because
we,
we
are
one
of
the
flyways
for
the
migration.
O
Another
thing
that
we're
seeking
to
protect
with
this
conservation
area
is
the
pony
express
stations,
just
east
of
fallon
lay
the
sand
springs,
pony
express
station
and
the
cold
springs
pony
express
station.
Two
of
the
186
stops
along
the
pony
express
mail
delivery
route
from
missouri
to
california.
L
This
is
chairwoman,
tony,
so
tribal
co-management
is
very
important
to
us.
It
is
something
that
has
not
always
been
done,
but
as
a
tribal
government,
we
want
to
be
a
team
player
to
this.
We
want
to
be
a
decision
maker.
We
want
to
also
be
a
cordial
partner
in
how
to
manage
our
lands,
so
the
fallon
shoshone
tribe
is
requesting
a
co-management
arrangement
with
other
local
tribes,
bureau
of
land
management
and
other
federal
partners
to
support
the
management
and
care
of
numanua.
L
There
are
a
number
of
policy
tools
that
could
protect
nimanua.
We
are
working
with
county
state
and
federal
partners
on
a
path
for
legislative
protections
like
a
national
conservation
area
or
a
tribal
cultural
area.
We
also
support
president
biden
using
tools
available,
including
national
monument
designation
for
new
manual,
to
safeguard
this
important
landscape.
L
Refusing
or
refusing
any
consultation
we
want
to
be
a
part
of
it
in
keeping
with
the
biden,
harris
administration's
goals
and
the
trust
responsibilities
of
the
u.s
government.
We
envision
co-stewardship,
involving
a
commission
of
regional
tribes
that
informs
management
of
a
new
manual.
L
L
L
This
proposal
will
help
accomplish
president
biden's
initiatives
to
conserve
30
percent
of
u.s
lands
by
2030.
recognizing
our
history
on
these
lands
helps
preserve
and
honor
an
important
part
of
our
regions
and
nations.
History,
recognition
and
protection
of
these
lands
will
benefit
all
people
of
nevada,
and
I
think
the
co-stewardship
is
very
important
because
in
order
to
maintain
and
protect
these
lands,
it
will
allow
for
the
device,
diversity
of
people
and
interests
to
go
out
and
utilize
a
new
manual
site,
but
in
conjunction
with
a
co-stewardship
plan,
so
we
can
protect
it.
L
I
For
the
record,
clifford
van
well
center
tribal
council
of
nevada,
it's
a
question:
the
cottonwood
canyon,
nickel,
mine,
it's
a
love
like
mine,
treasure
rock
my
mind.
I'm
wondering
the
proximity
in
this
area,
you're
talking
about
by
the
stillwater
range.
I
I
A
L
A
D
A
D
Chair
and
I've,
just
with
your
slide
there
of
sam
mountain
again,
I'm
all
about
protection,
and
you
know
as
well
as
I
do.
You
know
memorial
day
labor
day,
there's
there's
20
000
people
on
that
mountain,
and
so
I
mean
how
are
we
going
to
address
that.
L
H
Thank
you,
chair
assemblywomanhansondistrict32,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
being
here
today.
I
I
didn't
pull
it
up,
but
I
know
during
the
last
legislative
sessions
we've
been
dealing
with
the
expansion
of
the
the
navy
wanting
some
more
space
where's
this
interplay
with
what
you're
asking
for,
does
it
bump
up
against
it?
Have
you
been
working
with
them.
L
Different
areas
within
here,
so
this
is
probably
where
the
nas
expansion
happens.
We
have
the
different
bombing
areas.
We
also
have
in
the
legislature
where
there
there's
a
lot
of
wilderness
protection,
and
this
year
our
team
has
been
working
closely
with
the
like.
We
said:
the
interior
department,
the
nas,
the
military,
the
congressional
people
to
try
to
come
up
with
a.
L
L
L
We
understand
that,
but
we
also
understand
the
importance
of
our
ancestral
lands
and
the
protection
of
our
burial
sites
and
our
our
artifacts
and
our
archives
that
still
remain
out
there
on
all
those
vast
millions
of
acres
and
as
native
when
we
come
across,
something
we
always
say
our
little
prayer
and
we
leave
it
there,
that's
exactly
what
they
were
saying
earlier
about
arlington
national
monument
we
feel
like
we
are
that
we
have
all
our
burial
sites,
all
above
those
lands,
and
so
with
the
with
the
ndia.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
It's,
I
think.
That's
that's
just
a
very,
very
important
part.
That's
the
co-stewardship.
The
shared
responsibility
for
the
land,
I
think,
is
a
a
very
important
point.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
us.
We
do
appreciate
it,
so
we're
not
seeing
any
other
questions.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
Thank
you
and
I
believe
we
can
go
back
to
item
number.
Eight
I
believe
we
have
tribal
chair
thomas,
is
on
the
phone.
Is
that
correct.
A
Good
morning
good
morning,
thank
you.
Please
introduce
yourself
and
proceed.
P
All
right,
my
name
is
brian
thomas,
I'm,
the
chairman
of
the
shichon
payu
tribe,
and
I
don't
know
who
all
I'm
speaking
to.
However,
respectfully
I
will.
P
Acknowledge
you
folks-
and
I
am
here
in
winnemucca,
nevada,
on
a
dialogue
meeting
with
the
nevada
gold
and
that's
where
I'm
at
and
what
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
be
repetitive
as
to,
as
I
was
told
before,
but
we've
been
doing,
our
tribes
is
located
on
the
duck
valley,
indian
reservation,
idaho
and
nevada
about
399
000
acres,
and
we
do
consultation
with
both
idaho
and
nevada,
blm,
forest
service,
fish
and
wildlife
and
all
these
different
government
agencies-
and
you
know
these
are
serious
issues
because
we
are
constantly
consulting.
P
I
mean
it's
just
sometimes
it's
all
day
with
nevada,
blm
or
idaho,
blm,
mainly
idaho,
because
of
transmission
lines
coming
into
and
out
of
idaho
and
then
coming
into
nevada
over
to
a
project
from
western
idaho
going
into
over
to
the
ely
blm
conservation,
blm
area
and
our
consultations
are
really
in
depth.
And
you
know
we
we
do
have
a
voice
with
them
and
we
always
like
to
stay
more
in
the
permitting
process
and
the
ability
to
agree
or
not
agree
to
projects
that
run
through
federal
lands
across
nevada.
P
P
You
know
our
treaties
were
consistently
broken
and
the
federal
government
doesn't
hold
up
to
responsibilities,
it
has
for
tribes
and
it
going
back.
That
goes
back
to
the
cultural
resources
out
there.
That's
already
been
described
earlier,
and
I
want
to
be
repetitive
about
on
that,
but
you
know
we
are
having
to
not
fight
but
work
but
to
negotiate
with
it
at
the
federal
level.
P
Many
tribes
across
idaho
and
nevada
are
really
remote
like
we
are
100
miles,
north
and
south
of
the
nearest
town,
which
is
elk,
nevada
and
mountain
home,
idaho
and
many
times
we
travel
to
these
different
locations
with
consultation
of
the
blm
or
the
forest
service,
and
we
share
the
trips
back
and
forth
with
them,
and
it's
just
you
know
like,
for
example.
Today
it's
a
really
high
cost
and
I
would
have
been
right
there
in
nixon,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
fuel
prices.
P
There's
no
way
is
I
going
to
go
drive
there,
but
I'm
glad
to
get
this
opportunity
to
be
heard
over
the
phone
and
we
do
have
some
concerns
regarding
the
a
lot
of
concerns
regarding
the
resources
that
is
to
be
discussed
in
a
government-to-government
consultation,
especially
going
back
into
the
cultural
resources
and
and
then
some
of
the
plans
like
7.1.1
the
cultural
resource
specialist,
and
this
is
for
a
transmission
line
from
boardman
oregon
over
into
western
idaho.
The
hemingway
transmission
line.
P
P
Our
concern
on
the
on
the
reservation
is
that
states
have
worked
to
these
issues
because
they
charge
taxes
and
fees
that
help
maintain
infrastructure
for
its
citizens
and
we're
here
today
to
ask
you
to
consider
directing
a
portion
of
taxes
and
fees
collected
from
related
issues
in
public
lands
and
nevada
tribes,
including
mine
proceeds,
and
the
reason
why
I
come
to
that
is
because
I
want
to
use
an
example.
We
are
owahi
nevada.
We
have
hawaii
high
school
hawaii,
combined
schools
on
the
reservation
in
elko
county
and
it's
the
only
school
on
a
reservation.
P
That's
managed
by
a
county
school
district,
and
when
we
look
at
the
numbers
that
are
given
out
in
elko
county
for
each
student,
we
were
more
likely
for
what
amount
of
money
that
was
spent
there.
It's
about
six
thousand
dollars
per
student
for
the
oahe
combined
schools,
and
then
you
go
over
to
wells.
P
P
That
that
is
the
tribe's
concern
is
that
we
need
more
money
from
the
federal
government,
the
state
to
manage
our
schools
to
make
a
better
school
for
our
students
a
place
for
them
to
learn,
and
you
know
I
wish
I
was
there
in
person.
However,
I
couldn't
make
it,
and
but
there
is
a
lot
to
discuss
regarding
the
native
american,
great
protection,
repatriation
act,
that
plan
of
action
and
also
the
the
inadvertent
discovery
remains
on
federal
lands.
A
And
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
assemblywoman
carlton.
I
chair
this
particular
subcommittee.
So
thank
you
for
participating
by
phone
and
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
the
price
of
gas.
I
think
that's
kind
of
just
we.
We
know
where
that
is
so.
We
we're
glad
you're
able
to
participate.
So
if,
if
you
could
maybe
expand
on
the
repatriation
act,
this
committee
really
doesn't
have
jurisdiction
over
the
dollars
and
getting
it
to
schools.
Things
like
that
it'll
be
part
of
the
record.
A
P
P
You
know
there's
so
much
ground
disturbance
out
there
that
you're
you're,
looking
at
possibly
on
the
transmission
lines,
as
maybe
a
quantity
24
by
you,
know,
15
to
20
feet
deep
for
these
huge
transmission
lines
and
and
if
there's
any
kind
of
a
inadvertent
discovery,
everything
has
to
cease
and
desist.
So
and
that's
where
we
need
our
cultural
monitors.
So
we
could
have
an
honest
report
as
to
what's
been
found
out
there
to
protect
the
resources
that
were
left
behind
by
our
ancestors.
A
H
Thank
you
chair,
and
did
I
get
it
right?
It's
chair
thompson
is
that
whom
I'm
speaking
with
thomas
I'm
sorry
bro
yeah
brian
thomas.
Thank
you
chair,
thomas,
thank
you
for
your
your
comments.
I
did
and
yes
we're
public
lands.
We
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
the
educational
issue,
but
I
I
did
want
to
note
that
I
do
serve
on
the
on
the
education
committee
during
the
sessions
and
in
the
interim,
and
I
did
take
note
of
your
comments
about
the
per-pupil
funding
there
at
the
oahe
school
and
that
is
in
my
district.
H
H
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
you
and
I'm
also
in
contact
with
dr
jensen,
the
superintendent
of
schools
in
humboldt
county.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
I
heard
your
comments
and
your
concerns.
I
share
them.
Those
are
not
numbers
that
I've
I've
been
familiar
with,
so
I
will,
even
though
this
is
public
lands.
I
appreciate
you
addressing
that.
So
I
could
get
wind
of
it
and
I
wanted
to
assure
you
that
I'll
make
sure
that
we
we
reach
out
in
some
capacity
to
have
future
dialogue
about
that.
H
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
mr
thomas
brian,
the
transmission
line
you're
talking
about
that's,
got
to
be
crossing
through
idaho.
Then
I'm
not
aware
one
coming
down
through
owahi,
although
when
we
get
a
little
farther
east,
we
do
have
that
swift
line
coming
down.
Is
that
is
that
right
or
is
that
southwest
intertidal
going
to
come
through
along
through
their
the
reservation.
P
You
know
into
oahu
county
the
county
itself
over
in
eastern
I
mean
western
idaho,
so
that's
probably
about
30
miles
of
transmission
line
and
the
trans
there's.
P
Another
transmission
line
coming
out
of
magic
valley,
that'll
be
going
to
to
ely,
which
will
be
going
across
federal
lands
from
in
through
idaho
and
then
also
into
nevada,
and
we
have
been
consulting
with
a
twin
falls
blm
and
we
need
to
meet
with
the
ely
blm,
as
you
know
as
well,
because
that
is
our
ancestral,
that
you
know
the
shishon
ancestral,
land
and
other
tribes
also.
D
A
And
seeing
no
other
questions
from
the
committee
at
this
time
that
takes
care
of
that
particular
item.
We
have
two
items
left
and
we're
going
to
reach
out
on
item
number
six
to
see
if
we
can
find
the
folks
just
to
see
if
there's
any
miscommunication,
so
we're
going
to
take
a
break.
There
is
a
lunch
in
the
room
next
to
us
for
the
committee
members
and
staff,
can
everybody
grab
a
quick
sandwich
and
let's
be
back
in
here
in
about
20
minutes,
that's
possible
so
that
we
can
keep
moving?
A
But
this
will
give
staff
time
to
reach
out
to
that
other
group
to
see
if
they
can
still
participate
today,
so
we'll
give
them
a
call
to
see
if
we
can
get
them
involved
again.
So
with
that
we
will
be
in
recess
until
about
1205
reality,
probably
12
10..
So
we'll
see
you
all
back
here
then
we're
in
recess.
A
A
If
they
are
available
on
zoom
right
now,
we'd
be
happy
to
hear
your
presentation,
but
I
believe
they
might
be
in
one
of
the
other
meetings
here
in
the
state
today
and
that
might
be
the
difficulty
so
we'll
open
it
up
again,
just
in
case
they're
available
no
one's
responding,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
just
leave
item
six
sit
for
now.
We
will
not
be
going
back
to
it
again.
We've
tried
a
couple
of
times
that
takes
us
to
item
number
10
presentation
on
the
cooperative
extension
programs
of
the
university
of
nevada
reno.
A
Q
Q
So
I
want
to
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
the
members
of
the
interim
committee
on
public
lands
for
this
opportunity
to
present
to
you.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
pyramid:
lake
paiute
tribe,
for
hosting
this
meeting
on
their
lands.
The
university
of
nevada
reno
brought
a
large
team
with
us
today.
I
want
to
do
a
couple
quick
introductions.
We
have
with
us
daphne
hooper
who's,
the
director
of
indigenous
relations
for
the
university
and
also
professor
stacy
m
who's,
one
of
our
extension
educators.
Q
So
I'm
going
to
share
a
bit
today
about
the
college
of
agricultural
agriculture,
biotechnology
and
natural
resources,
or,
as
I
will
say,
cabner
from
now
on,
because
it's
much
easier
for
me
to
say
through
the
presentation,
cabinet's
coil
scale
is
quite
vast
from
molecules
to
landscapes.
Individuals
to
ecosystems,
agriculture,
to
wildlife
and
everything
in
between
cabinet
is
home
to
over
1400
undergraduate
and
graduate
students
and
over
730
statewide
faculty
and
staff.
Q
We're
proud
to
do
this
work
through
our
over
20
extension
campuses
and
10
experiment
station
facilities,
statewide
from
a
university
perspective
extension
is
our
premier
outreach
arm
into
our
communities
through
a
unique
federal
state.
County
partnership
extension
presents
research-based
knowledge
to
address
critical
community
needs
from
horticulture
to
business
development,
community
vitality,
to
youth
development.
Q
Q
Q
Q
River
reservations,
extension
provides
programming
and
education
opportunities
for
youth
and
adults
on
the
reservation
and
connects
the
tribes
to
opportunities
both
federally
and
at
the
state
level.
Earlier
this
summer
extension
hosted
our
first
college
prep
camp
for
american,
indian
and
alaska
native
students
at
our
very
own
state
4-h
camp
in
lake
tahoe.
Q
The
camp
was
a
success
with
over
19
students
attending
from
across
the
state
and
beyond.
This
fall
fall
cabinet
will
host
the
university's
first
house
for
native
american
students
in
reno
right
off
valley
road.
We
anticipate
being
able
to
house
approximately
seven
students
at
this
house
that
will
provide
them
an
opportunity
to
connect
with
each
other
and
ease
the
burden
a
bit
from
increasing
rental
prices
in
the
reno
area.
P
Q
How
about
if
we
switch
places
okay
to
make
this
work?
I
would
like
to
now
welcome
my
colleague
and
a
rising
star
in
his
field,
dr
alejandro
andre
rodriguez,
to
share
more
with
you
on
a
research
project
that
could
have
monumental
impact
on
our
water
usage,
both
in
nevada
and
the
western
united
states.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
R
Thank
you
provost
thompson,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
members
of
the
of
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
of
sharing
with
you
my
research
today.
So
I
will
talk
to
you
today
about
a
research
project
where
we
are
assessing
the
effects
of
deficit
irrigation
on
alfalfa
grown
in
nevada.
R
R
If
we
want
to
get
any
significant
production
from
the
from
the
crops
that
we
produce
here
because
of
the
very
little
rainfall
that
we
receive
and
the
area
conditions
in
the
state,
we
are
forced
to
use
irrigation.
There
is
no
other
way
now.
Alfalfa
is
the
most
important
crop
in
this
state
in
terms
of
the
economic
production
that
we,
the
economic
benefit,
that
we
receive
from
the
crop,
but
also
because
it
occupies
about
40
percent
of
the
land
that
is
irrigated
in
the
state.
R
R
In
this
project,
we
are
evaluating
the
response
of
two
alfalfa
varieties
to
deficit.
Irrigation
deficit.
Irrigation,
like
the
name,
implies
easy
practice
of
producing
a
crop
without
meeting
its
full
water
demands
that
the
crop
will
have
in
order
to
achieve
an
optimum
development
and
a
maximum
yield.
R
Now
the
reason
why
we
are
interested
in
studying
deficit
irrigation
is
because
our
farmers
and
ranchers
are
being
forced
to
reduce
the
amount
of
water
that
they
use
for
irrigation.
So
by
studying
deficit
irrigation,
we
can
provide
some
answers
to
them
to
questions
as,
for
example,
if
I
am
forced
to
reduce
my
my
irrigations
in
30.
R
R
The
second
variety
is
marketed
as
being
highly
productive,
but
in
order
to
maintain
a
high
production,
it
also
requires
a
substantial
amount
of
water.
So
we
subjected
these
two
alfalfa
varieties
to
three
irrigation
treatments.
The
first
is
called
full
irrigation.
We
are
basically
providing
all
the
water
that
the
two
varieties
require
in
order
to
achieve
an
optimum
development
and
maximum
yield.
R
R
The
questions
that
we
want
to
answer
with
this
research
are
mainly
two
one:
is
the
dructer
falfa
variety,
a
better
choice
than
the
highly
productive
variety,
underwater,
limiting
conditions
and
two?
Is
there
a
significant
loss
of
yield
caused
by
the
milled
and
the
moderate
deficit
irrigation
treatments?
And
here
is
a
picture
of
our
of
our
plots.
We
established
this
in
in
the
fall
of
2020.
R
Hpa
stands
for
a
highly
productive
ndt
for
drug
tolerant,
and
there
is
a
significant
difference
between
these
fully
irrigated
plots
and
the
plots
that
receive
the
moderate
deficit
irrigation
treatment
of
60.
So
you
can
see
there
the
effect
of
the
water
stress
and
how
that
is
affecting
the
development
of
the
crop.
But
please
note
that
you
don't
see
that
significant
difference
between
the
plots
that
receive
the
mild
deficient
irrigation
treatment.
So
the
idea
behind
deficient
irrigation
is
okay.
R
First,
regarding
to
the
question
of
whether
the
drug,
tolerant
variety
was
a
better
option,
we
found
no
significant
effect
of
the
alfalfa
variety
on
yield.
What
this
means
is
that
basically,
the
drug,
tolerant
variety
and
the
highly
productive
variety
they
both
obtain
about
the
same
yield
under
the
full
irrigation
treatment
they
also
obtain
about
the
same
yield
under
the
mild
deficit
irrigation
and
about
the
same
yield
under
the
moderate
deficit
irrigation,
which
is
a
little
surprising.
R
We
were
expecting
laser
interference
to
start
seeing
some
differences,
but
one
thing
that
I
should
mention
is
that
this
is
only
one
year
of
data.
We
are
looking
at
the
extended
effects
of
deficit
irrigation,
so
we
are
going
to
continue
this
during
during
this
year
and
then
the
following
year
to
have
a
more
conclusive
answer
to
this
question
and
here
another
one
thing
that
we
found-
and
that
was
very
interesting-
is
the
fact
that
the
highly
productive
variety
did
consume
water,
much
faster
than
the
drug,
tolerant
variety.
R
R
But
basically
they
they
show
how
both
varieties
consume
the
water
during
the
growing
season.
So
the
blue
line
represents
the
highly
productive
variety
and
the
red
line.
The
drought,
tolerant
variety.
A
zero
here
means
that
the
soil
is
full
with
water
and
a
one
means
that
the
soil
that
all
the
water
in
the
soil
has
been
depleted.
So
you
can
see
that
the
highly
productive
variety
very
frequently
depleted,
almost
all
the
water
in
the
soil,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
was
very
interesting.
One
result.
R
Another
preliminary
answer
that
we
obtain
is
that
there
is
indeed
a
reduction
in
the
yield
and
this
reduction
show
showed
a
linear
pattern.
That
means
that,
by
reducing
the
irrigation
amount
in
20,
we
had
a
reduction
in
yield
of
about
20
percent
by
reducing
the
irrigation
amount
in
about
40
percent
that
also
reduce
the
yield
in
about
40
percent.
R
This
is
consistent
with
previous
studies
evaluating
deficit
irrigation
in
other
states
and
regions,
but
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
point
out
is
that
the
full
irrigation
plots
were
the
only
ones
where
there
was
a
significant
difference
in
the
yield
with
respect
to
the
to
the
mild
the
moderate
deficit
irrigated
plots
now
in
regards
to
how
is
this
important
to
to
nevada?
R
Well,
the
from
the
results
that
we
obtained
from
this
study.
We
can
provide
recommendations
to
farmers
and
ranchers
in
nevada
that
are
producing
alfalfa,
underwater
limited
conditions,
but
we
the
recommendations
that
we
provide
can
be
also
useful
for
farmers
and
ranchers
in
other
western
states
that
share
water
resources
with
nevada.
So
by
providing
some
answers
to
them,
we
are
also
indirectly
helping
nevada
to
conserve
water.
R
These
methodologies
that
we
are
following
can
be
also
applied
to
other
crops.
It's
not
just
something
that
can
be
applied
to
to
alfalfa
and,
finally,
the
data
that
we
are
collecting.
We
are
using
it
to
develop
chrome
models.
Acro
models
are
computer
programs
where
we
we
enter
information
about
the
crop
information
about
its
environment,
about
its
management,
and
then
we
start
to
run
with
these
computer
programs
on
different
scenarios
to
evaluate
how,
for
example,
an
an
increase
in
the
air
temperature,
which
is
one
of
the
expected
effects
of
climate
change.
R
We
can
estimate
how
that
is
going
to
affect
of
alfalfa
production
in
nevada.
So
that's
one
of
the
of
the
potential
results
of
these
outcomes
of
these
results
that
we're
obtaining
and
before
I
before
we
take
questions.
I
would
like
to
share
with
you
very
briefly
why
I
became
interested
in
irrigation.
R
He
is
no
longer,
but
he
had
a
farm
and
most
of
the
production
was
rain-fed,
so
he
was
always
waiting
for
the
water
for
the
rainfall
to
come
and
that
many
times
it
didn't
happen
and
as
a
child.
I
was
looking
at
his
concerns.
So
at
a
very
young
age
I
became
aware
of
the
importance
of
irrigation,
so
I
went
and
studied
irrigation
engineering
and
by
the
time
I
graduated,
my
father
no
longer
had
the
farm,
but
I
couldn't
make
a
difference
there.
R
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
We
do
appreciate
it.
It's
interesting.
This
is
kind
of
an
off
the
wall
question,
but
if
they
prepared
you
for
testifying
in
front
of
me,
they've
probably
told
you
that
in
one
of
the
meetings
somewhere,
one
of
the
tours
that
I
was
on,
I
was
told
that
grapes
actually
take
less
water
than
alfalfa
does
to
grow.
A
R
Thank
you
for
the
question,
madam
chair,
that
is
correct
in
in
general.
Alfalfa
actually
has
this
reputation
for
being
a
highly
a
crop
that
consumes
a
lot
of
water
in
comparison
with
other
crops,
but
one
thing
that
alfalfa
has-
and
I
must
say
in
in
its
defense-
is
that
you
get
in
in
nevada.
You
get
four
codes,
so
you
can
get
four
different,
let's
say
incomes
out
of
that
which,
in
in
the
case
of
race,
I'm
I'm.
R
R
You
lose
some
production,
but
you
don't
like
the
crop.
Just
goes
door
manages
like
it
goes
to
sleep
and
then
the
next
growing
season,
when
you
start
to
have
water
available
again,
you
start
irrigating
and
it
it
regrows.
So
that's
one
thing
that
makes
it
very
a
very
interesting
option.
I
will
say
for
situations
when
you
are
required
to
you:
don't
have
any
more
water
available,
let's
say
at
some
point
during
your
growing
season.
A
A
We're
not
going
to
go
there,
it's
a
public
meeting,
so
I'm
sure
senator
gokuchi
did
you
have
any
questions.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
assemblywoman,
hanson,
district
32
for
the
record.
Thank
you
both
for
being
here
and
and
your
story
is
inspiring
thank
you
for
coming
here
and
and
and
sharing
this
this
research
with
us.
Actually,
if
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
inappropriate,
could
we
have
your
students
wave
their
hands,
so
we
could
see
who
they
are?
H
I'm
I'm
very
intrigued
by
this.
Of
course,
we
we
live
and
represent
a
state,
that's
so
arid
and
water
is
always
at
the
top
of
our
concerns
and
having
a
lot
of
ag
in
my
my
district.
So
my
question
is:
when
you
talk
about
drought,
tolerant
or
highly
productive
varieties,
do
we
know
on
the
end,
result
how?
How
is
that
on
the
market?
Is
it
in
nevada,
we're
very
proud
that
we
have
some
of
the
best
alfalfa
hey?
H
You
know
it
goes
to
texas,
it
goes
to
great
horse
farms,
and-
and-
and
so
we
know
that
our
our
our
alfalfa
product
is
a
is
a
very
valuable
product.
Is
it
affecting
the
quality
in
any
regard?
Do
we
have
any
feedback
from
the
buyers
how
how
it
compares
or
is
it
the
exact
same
variety,
just
different
watering
techniques.
R
But
again
this
is.
This
is
just
the
first
year
of
results.
We
expect
to
see
the
extended
effect
also
of
on
of
deficit
irrigation,
and
we
are
actually
conducting
a
very
similar
study
in
fallon
to
have
also
some
results
under
different
soil
conditions,
also
under
a
different
irrigation
system,
and
then
we
are
starting
a
new
experiment
as
well,
where
we
are
also
using
a
drug,
tolerant
variety
and
a
highly
positive
variety,
but
different
types
of
varieties.
R
These
are
actually
commercially
available
varieties,
but
we
selected
them
because
we
expected
to
see
that
difference
that
I
showed
in
terms
of
how
the
highly
productive
consumed
water
just
much
faster.
It
was
just
very
hard
to
keep
up
with
the
water
demands
that
it
had.
H
Great
thank
you
and
we'll
look
forward
to
some
of
those
results
on
on
the
quality.
One
last
question:
for
you
is:
how
long
has
this
project?
How
how
long
have
you
been
doing
the
research-
I
think
you
might
have
mentioned
it,
but
just
refresh
my
memory.
R
A
H
Dr
johnson
or
thompson
the
question.
Sorry,
I
actually
had
a
question
for
you,
dr
thompson,
in
the
great
work
that
the
the
college
of
ag
does
at
the
university
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation.
I
think
maybe
next
on
some
of
the
species
of
plants
that
we
worry
about
being
endangered
in
nevada,
does.
Does
the
ag
department
study
any
of
the
plant
communities
and
involved
in
in
maybe
giving
any
information
on
designation
of
endangered
species
in
nevada.
Q
Thank
you
for
for
your
question
so
for
the
record
jeff
thompson,
the
university
of
nevada
reno,
so
across
cabiner
and
other
units
in
our
university
we
have
many
experts
on
arid
lands
and
species
of
in
the
arid
lands
along
the
great
basin.
It's
one
of
our
focus
areas.
Q
Q
Genetics
associated
with
with
species,
so
we
do
provide
science
to
for
making
decisions,
but
we're
not
directly
involved
in
decision
making.
Q
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
patrick
donnelly,
I'm
great
basin
director
with
the
center
for
biological
diversity,
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
off
of
my
powerpoint
today,
which
you
should
have
in
your
packet,
so
I'll
be
referring
to
slides.
I
couldn't
be
there
in
person
today
due
to
a
health
issue,
but
I'm
grateful
for
the
virtual
option.
F
So
today
I
want
to
talk
about
endangered
species
issues
in
nevada
and
some
legislative
fixes
that
could
contribute
to
improved
and
streamlined
management
of
imperiled
species
in
nevada.
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
of
the
background
side
slides
pretty
quickly,
because
I
want
to
focus
my
time
on
the
legislative
proposals,
but
in
some
biodiversity,
so
the
complete
assemblage
of
plants
and
animals,
fungi
and
microbes
that
make
up
the
variety
of
life
on
earth.
That
is
what
gives
us
clean
air
to
breathe
and
clean
water
to
drink.
F
It's
what
put
food
on
our
plates
and
what
puts
shelter
over
our
heads.
Biodiversity
is
essential
for
humans,
continued
existence
and
right
now
we're
in
a
global
extinction
crisis.
That's
been
called
the
sixth
mass
extinction.
Looking
back
over
history
and
the
un
has
said,
there
are
more
than
a
million
species
at
risk
of
extinction.
Currently,
this
is
on
slide
two
moving
to
slide
three.
F
F
So
we
don't
let
species
go
extinct
in
this
country
and,
as
a
result,
the
federal
endangered
species
act
is
perhaps
the
most
powerful
conservation
law
in
the
world,
and
notably,
it
gives
primary
jurisdiction
over
federally
listed
species
that
is,
species
that
are
listed
as
threatened
or
endangered
to
the
federal
government.
Now
this
has
been
a
source
of
tension
over
the
years
you
know
by
default
plants
and
animals
are
managed
by
states.
F
However,
the
federal
endangered
species
act
gives
that
jurisdiction
to
the
government
when
a
species
is
listed.
That
has
really
been
the
source
of
some
amount
of
contention
over
species
listings.
Historically,
looking
at
slide,
four,
the
nevada
endangered
species
act,
nevada
does
have
several
statutes
on
the
books.
F
Managing
endangered
species
endow
nevada
department
of
wildlife
has
primary
jurisdiction
over
endangered
wildlife.
The
nevada
division
of
forestry
has
jurisdiction
over
endangered
plants,
but
in
general
this
stat
these
statutes
do
not
provide
comprehensive
management
authority
over
these
endangered
species
and,
in
particular,
state
agencies,
don't
have
the
ability
to
say
no.
If
there
is
a
project
that
threatens
a
species
with
extinction,
the
state
of
nevada
has
no
statutory
authority
to
say
no.
You
can't
do
that
at
best.
F
These
nevada
statutes
are
a
permit
program
and
the
permits
are
given
out
without
environmental
review
or
public
input
now
nevada.
According
to
the
nevada
division
of
natural
heritage,
has
646
at-risk
species,
I'm
on
a
slide.
Five
now
646
at-risk
species,
those
are
species
that
are
at
risk
of
extinction
or
becoming
threatened
with
extinction.
That
is
the
third
in
the
united
states.
F
So
we
are
a
hotbed
of
at-risk
species,
there's
another
almost
200
on
a
watch
list
for
becoming
at
risk,
and
notably,
we
have
over
300
endemic
species
and
subspecies.
Those
are
species
that
live
here
in
nevada
and
nowhere
else
on
earth.
That's
sixth
in
the
us
and
that's
part
of
what
makes
our
biodiversity
so
unique
species
like
this
butterfly
here,
the
mount
charleston
blue
butterfly
that
lives
just
in
a
couple
spots
on
mount
charleston
and
nowhere
else
on
earth
and
is
federally
listed.
F
As
I
said,
there
are
federal
listings.
We
have
48
federally
listed
species
in
the
state,
I'm
on
slide
6.
Now
there
are
48
federally
listed
species,
54
state
listed
animals
and
24
state
listed
plants,
but
illustrating
the
challenges
of
state
listing
this
plant.
Here
the
montaneva
paint
brush
is
about
a
one
inch
tall,
wildflower,
it's
state
listed.
However,
the
bureau
of
land
management
is
currently
allowing
unmanaged
recreation
to
damage
its
habitat
and
the
state
is
unable
to
do
anything
about
it.
F
The
state
has
no
mechanism
with
which
to
tell
the
federal
government
hey,
you
need
to
protect
this
plan,
and
so,
as
a
result,
we're
going
to
have
to
pursue
federal
listing
for
the
montenega
paint
brush,
because
the
state
is
unable
to
regulate
it
and
current
federal
listing
activity
in
nevada
on
slide
seven.
I
won't
go
through
all
these,
but
there's
nine
species
currently
awaiting
decisions
on
federal
listing,
including
the
dixie
valley,
toad
and
teams
buckwheat,
which
have
become
quite
prominent
due
to
our
activity
to
get
them
listed.
F
But
beyond
that,
if
you
go
to
slide,
eight
you'll
see
a
partial
list
of
at-risk
species
which
could
be
listed.
These
are
species
that
we
have
identified
as
being
at
risk
of
extinction
due
to
various
elements
of
habitat
loss,
development
and
climate
change,
and
any
of
these
could
be
eligible
for
federal
listing
if,
if
their
management
conditions
aren't
changed,
so
what
do
we
do
to
prevent
the
extinction
crisis
to
prevent
species
from
going
extinct
which
jeopardizes
all
life
on
earth
and
also
to
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
federal
listings?
F
F
Right
now,
there's
a
variety
of
agencies
managing
these
endangered
species
and
a
variety
of
mechanisms
and
our
our
proposals
here,
looking
at
slide
nine
are-
are
to
consolidate
management
over
over
endangered
species.
So
our
first
proposal
on
slide
10
is
over
terrestrial
invertebrates,
including
insects.
So
currently,
terrestrial
invertebrates,
including
insects,
are
unmanaged
under
the
nrs.
There
is
literally
no
agency
in
the
state
managing
this
little
butterfly
here,
the
bleached
sandhill
skipper,
which
is
a
rare
species
that
lives
in
one
place
in
humboldt
county.
F
There
is
no
one
managing
that
butterfly.
The
department
of
agriculture
only
manages
pest
insects
and
meanwhile,
there's
109
species
of
at-risk
insects
in
nevada,
including
this
little
skipper,
and
that
includes
butterflies,
moths,
beetles
bees
and
ants.
So
our
first
legislative
proposal
would
be
to
give
the
nevada
department
of
wildlife
authority
to
manage
insects.
F
This
would
also
include
ensuring
they
have
budget
for
at
least
one
entomologist,
a
scientist
to
help
manage
those
insects.
But
ultimately,
if
endow
doesn't
have
management
authority
over
insects,
they
can't
take
the
conservation
actions
necessary
to
prevent
federal
endangered
species
act
listing.
So
this
one's
kind
of
a
prerequisite
for
for
management
of
species
in
this
state.
F
Our
second
proposal
has
to
do
with
rare
and
endangered
plant
management,
we're
on
slide
11
now
per
the
nrs
527
state
endangered
plants
are
managed
by
the
division
of
forestry
and
that's
kind
of
an
anachronism
from
a
sort
of
old
set
of
environmental
policies
that
date
back
many
decades.
You
know
the
primary
duty
of
the
nevada
division
of
forestry
is
wildfire
response,
prevention
and
rehabilitation.
I
mean
they
are
the
agency
that
stands
between
this
state
burning
to
the
ground.
We
need
ndf
completely
focused
on
forestry
and
in
particular
on
fire
suppression
and
management.
F
You
know,
ndf's
management
of
endangered
plants
is
kind
of
tacked
on
to
their
responsibilities.
It's
not
their
primary
responsibility
and
there
was
sort
of
a
illustration
of
why
this
is
problematic.
Two
summers
ago,
you
know
you'll
recall
the
summer
of
2020.
We
had
truly
apocalyptic
wildfires
across
northern
nevada,
but
in
the
meantime
we
were
petitioning
the
state
to
protect
teams
buckwheat
a
rare
plant.
F
You
know
in
kckc
the
state
fire
warden
and
forester,
who
has
ultimate
responsibility
over
fire
in
the
state
spent
half
that
summer,
conducting
hearings
about
a
rare
plant
and
going
out
to
do
field
visits
at
rylai
ridge.
God
bless
her.
She
put
her
heart
into
managing
that
plan,
but
ultimately
it
was
taking
her
away
from
managing
the
worst
wildfire
season
in
nevada
history.
So
to
me
that
really
said,
we
need
to
get
these
protected
plants
under
the
jurisdiction
of
an
agency
whose
primary
job
is
to
manage
biodiversity,
that
is,
the
nevada
department
of
wildlife.
F
Nevada
has
288
species
of
at-risk
plants
and
91
species
on
the
watch
list.
The
only
way
to
prevent
federal
listing
of
these
species
is
through
active
management
and
protections
moving
to
slide
12.
65,
so
43
states
overall
manage
rare
plants.
65
percent
of
those
states
have
the
department
of
wildlife
or
the
same
agency
as
the
wildlife
agency
managing
those
rare
plants.
Only
in
four
states,
including
nevada.
F
So
our
proposed
legislation
is
to
transfer
management
authority
over
endangered
plants
to
endow
additionally
to
expand
that
authority
to
include
unprotected
but
rare
or
vulnerable
plants
right
now,
no
one
is
managing
non-listed
plants
to
prevent
their
becoming
endangered,
so
creating
that
authority
for
endow
and
transferring
the
management
authority
over
endangered
plants
to
endow
will
help
consolidate
the
management
of
endangered
species
and
should
create
renewed
focus
on
preventing
the
extinction
or
endangered
listing
of
those
species.
F
F
I've
heard
a
lot
of
pushback
on
this
proposal
from
many
corners,
so
I
think
we'll
skip
that
one
for
now,
but
ultimately
you
know
moving
to
slide
14.
F
We
need
to
overhaul
the
nevada
endangered
species
act
and
this
is
not
a
legislative
proposal
we're
making
at
the
moment,
because
we're
just
not
ready
yet,
but
currently
nissa
is
ineffective
at
preventing
species
from
going
extinct
or
becoming
federally
listed.
It's
not
subject
to
public
participation
requirements.
It
has
no
teeth,
there's
no
ability
for
citizens
or
the
courts
to
compel
agencies
to
protect
species,
and
it's
ineffective
at
providing
assurances
of
conservation
sufficient
to
prevent
federal,
esa
listing
so
moving
to
slide.
15
reforming
the
nevada
endangered
species
act
would
be
complicated
and
contentious.
F
However,
failing
to
reform
it
will
mean
more
federal
endangered
species
act
listing
so
our
recommendation
here
once
we
do
all
the
previous
suggestions
and
streamline
the
management
of
endangered
species
would
be
to
convene
a
working
group
or
a
study
for
a
nevada
endangered
species
act.
Reform
slide.
F
16
is
just
a
summary
of
the
recommendations
we've
made
here
today,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
to
this
matter
and
I
think,
if
we
work
together,
we
can
help
prevent
extinction,
help
prevent
a
flood
of
federal
endangered
species,
act
listings
and
hopefully,
harmonize
management
of
endangered
species.
In
the
state
of
nevada,
thank
you.
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record
assemblywoman
hanson
district
32..
Mr
donnelly,
I
on
your
summary
of
recommendations
I
don't
see
endow
here.
Are
they
have?
They
asked
for
these
new
authorities
to
have
a
management
authority
over
insects,
to
transfer
management
of
endangered
plants,
to
end
out
to
create
statutory
management
authority
for
endow
over
non-endangered
plants
and
then
to
transfer
the
division
of
natural
heritage?
F
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
patrick
donnelly
for
the
record
endow
has
not
asked
for
this.
This
is
an
idea
that
the
center
for
biological
diversity
has
brought
forward.
However,
we
have
had
receptive
discussions
with
endow
to
varying
degrees
about
these
proposals.
I
think
it's
sort
of
universally
recognized
that
it's
a
major
problem,
that
the
state
doesn't
manage.
Insects
and
that's
been
a
long-standing
issue
that
I
think
everyone
recognizes
an
issue
endows
expressed
openness
to
that
as
long
as
there
was
resources
to
go
along
with
it.
I
think
the
rest
of
these
ideas.
F
You
know
we
need
to
have
discussions,
but
I
think
the
overall
goal
of
enhancing
state
management
to
reduce
the
need
for
federal
listings
endow
has
expressed
interest
in
as
well
as
dcnr,
and
I
think
everybody
who's
involved
with
the
management
of
biodiversity,
because,
ultimately,
you
know,
if
there's
an
issue,
that
the
state
can
deal
with
that's
preferable
to
a
multi-year
process
with
the
feds,
and
so
discussions
are
ongoing.
I'll
use
that
classic
phrase.
H
And
just
to
follow
up,
could
you
tell
us
how
it
looks
when
you
manage
insects
like
how?
How
would
that
roll
out
and
look-
I
know
in
in
your
slide?
I
think
it
was
13.
It
said
you
know,
funding
for
a
person,
a
staff
member,
but
how
does
that
actually
work
in
the
field.
F
F
It
would
involve
identifying
the
needs
for
habitat
management
and
restoration
and
identifying
resources
and
executing
habitat
restoration
projects.
It
would
mean
commenting
on
federal
actions.
You
know
whether
there's
federal
energy
projects,
mining
projects,
highway
projects,
anything
like
that
which
could
impact
at-risk
at-risk
species.
You
know
having
the
state
play
a
role
in
that
process
through
commenting
and
it
could
be
developing
regulations
to
protect
specific
insects,
and
I
think
the
one
that's
most
obvious
to
everybody
is
the
monarch
butterfly.
F
You
know
the
monarch
butterfly
is
beloved
across
the
country
and
we
do
have
monarchs
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
no
one
is
managing
them
right
now
and
there
are
intensive
efforts
across
the
country
to
plant
milkweed
and
do
other
habitat
restoration
too,
manage
monarch,
butterflies,
and
certainly
there
is
monarch
work
happening
in
the
state,
but
it's
not
under
an
agency's
management
authority.
So
those
are
some
of
the
activities
that
I
think
endow
could
undertake
if
they
were
to
manage
insects.
A
Okay,
thank
you
other
questions
at
this
time.
So
so,
mr
donnelly,
it's
it's
intriguing
department
of
wildlife,
but
when
I
think
of
wildlife,
I
don't
think
of
bugs
and
plants,
I
think
of
more
animals.
So
but
I
know
it's
all
all
tied
together.
So
has
there
been
any
conversation
about
dcnr,
possibly
taking
parts
of
this?
On
I
mean
to
me
the
bugs
are
separate
from
the
plants,
even
though
they
go
hand
in
hand,
but
the
management,
the
listing
how
it
all
comes
together.
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
patrick
donnelly
for
the
record.
You
know,
I
think
insects
are
animals,
and
so
it
sort
of
just
made
sense
to
slot
them.
In
with
the
department
of
wildlife,
the
department
of
wildlife
manages
aquatic
invertebrates
so
mussels.
We
have
mussels
in
this
state,
we
have
snails
aquatic
snails
and
the
department
of
wildlife
manages
aquatic
invertebrates,
so
it
just
makes
sense
to
manage
terrestrial
invertebrates
such
as
insects,
and
I
think
that
would
go
along
with
almost
every
other
wildlife
agency
in
the
country.
F
As
far
as
the
plants
go,
you
know
again.
Dcnr
manages
plants
right
now
through
the
division
of
forestry.
But,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
you
know
they're
not
executing
that
duty
sufficient
to
protect
the
plants,
and
this
isn't
a
critique
of
division
of
forestry.
Again
they
have
other
priorities
and
they
also
are
bound
by
relatively
weak
statutes.
F
But,
ultimately
you
know
in
2020
we
asked
them
to
protect
teams
buckwheat,
they
did
the
whole
process
I
described
earlier.
That
was
distracting
ndf
from
fighting
fires
and
and
then
they
ended
up
not
taking
any
action.
They
didn't
deny
the
listing.
They
didn't
approve
the
listing,
they
just
sat
on
it,
and
here
we
are
two
years
later
and
nothing's
happened.
So
it
sort
of
spoke
to
me
that
I'm
not
sure
the
division
of
forestry
is
really
institutionally
capable
of
providing
the
the
actions
needed.
Given
the
current
legislative
restrictions
they
operate
within.
F
Maybe
we
would
be
having
a
different
story,
but
I
think
as
it
stands,
you
know
you
you
hate
to
bring
up
california
because
someone's
going
to
criticize
you
for
it,
but
the
california
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
is
the
gold
standard
for
biodiversity
management
in
this
country
and
and
they
manage
plants-
and,
I
think,
have
a
very
robust
plant
management
program
and,
as
I
said,
that's
true,
with
65
percent
of
states
who
do
manage
rare
plants
do
so
through
their
department
of
wildlife
doesn't
mean
dcnr
couldn't
do
it,
but
I
think,
given
our
existing
regulatory
structure,
it
would
make
the
most
sense
be
most
harmonious
to
be
at
the
department
of
wildlife.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
not
seeing
any
other
questions
from
any
other
committee
members.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
donnelly
for
being
with
us
today
and
participating
on
zoom.
We
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
So
I
believe
our
last
item
for
today
is
another
round
of
public
comment,
so
we'll
invite
those
here
in
the
room
to
come
forward
for
public
comment.
A
Please
keep
your
comments
within
the
three
minute
window
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
use
the
whole
three
minutes
and
we'll
go
from
there
and
be
sure
to
state
your
name
for
the
record.
So
please
proceed.
B
B
I
did,
however,
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
issues
that
came
up
and
were
addressed
in
this
most
recent
presentation
by
mr
donnelly,
and
indeed
there
are
complexities
with
endangered
species
and
protected
species
in
the
state
of
nevada,
but
I
did
want
to
clarify
that
our
department,
while
we
were
informed
very
recently
of
today's
presentation,
we
have
not
been
involved
in
any
discussions
about
the
changes
that
you've
been
presented
and,
in
fact
I
think
we
would
be
opposed
to
either
the
transfer
of
the
division
of
natural
heritage
to
the
department
of
wildlife
or
the
transfer
of
the
responsibilities
from
the
division
of
forestry
to
the
department
of
wildlife.
B
You
know,
mr
donnelly
does
say
that
the
there
are
challenges
that
exist
in
statute,
and
I
think
that
these
challenges
will
exist,
regardless
of
which
department
these
statutes
lie
in
responsibility
and
transferring
it
to
a
new
department
to
take
on
those
challenges,
isn't
going
to
resolve
the
underlying
issue
and
division
of
forestry
is
very
well
situated
to
handle
these
issues.
And
while
mr
donnelly
is
talking
about
streamlining
the
endangered
species
process,
we
would
then
be
separating
the
division
that
does
oversee
plants.
B
You
know
they're
they're,
overseeing
the
the
management
of
our
forests,
our
rangelands,
our
watersheds,
so
then
separating
out
the
the
protected
species
from
that
creates
an
inefficiency
in
other
ways
where
he
sees
it
as
creating
a
streamlined
process,
and
that
does
create
a
lot
of
concern
for
us
and
although
he
refers
to
the
challenges
we
face
as
a
state
when
we're
trying
to
address
wildfire,
we're
very
well
situated
to
address,
wildfire
and
manage
species.
B
At
the
same
time,
I
asked
forrester
fire
warden
casey
about
this,
and
she
just
wants
to
remind
the
entire
state
that
we're
the
nevada
division
of
forestry,
not
the
nevada
division
of
wildfire,
and
so
we're
very
capable
of
managing
these
issues
and
same
with
it
doesn't
sound
like
there's
a
proposal
to
transfer
the
division
of
natural
heritage,
but,
and
speaking
with
with
that
division
administrator,
they
would
like
to
remain
within
the
department
of
conservation
and
natural
resources
as
well.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
O
This
is
a
place
that
holds
significant
cultural
values
to
the
walk
river
paiute
tribe.
The
bureau
of
land
management,
according
to
the
letter
received
by
the
tribe
from
the
blm,
is
responsible
for
processing
applications
and
issuing
its
permits.
The
walker
river
pay
tribe
has
documentation
on
the
historical
and
traditional
use
of
these
said.
Lands
done
by
our
cultural
monitor
with
the
blm
representative.
O
During
an
assessment,
this
area
has
served
the
walker
papaya
tribe
as
a
healing
area
for
thousands
of
years,
so
noted
by
the
many
archaeological
resources
and
petroglyph
sites
in
the
area
for
ceremonial
medicinal
healing
and
other
cultural
uses.
The
national
historic
preservation
act.
Section
106
requires
blm
and
developers
to
consider
the
potential
impact
to
historic
properties
where
cultural
significance
may
be
present.
We
have
drafted
as
a
community
and
the
walk
river
pike,
tribal
council,
a
resolution
to
position
ourselves
and
the
tribe
in
opposition
to
this
approval.
O
The
walker
river
tribe
has
not
gone
into
a
formal
consultation
regarding
this
permit,
as
required
by
executive
order
13175,
which
was
passed
on
november
6
2000.
This
requires
government
to
government
consultation
and
coordination
with
the
indian
tribal
governments.
The
executive
order
also
mandates
con
the
mandatory
consultation
with
tribal
governments
on
issues
that
directly
impact
the
tribes.
O
Also,
the
american
indian
religious
freedom
act
states,
the
american,
indian,
religious
freedom,
act
of
1978
protects
the
rights
and
native
of
native
americans
to
exercise
their
traditional
religions
by
ensuring
access
to
sites,
use
and
possession
of
sacred
objects
and
the
freedom
to
worship
through
ceremonial
and
traditional
rights.
In
approving
this
permit
from
the
blm
for
the
diamond
flat
geothermal
exploration
project
in
churchill,
county,
the
religious
freedom
act
will
be
violated
because
accesses
lands
free
lease
without
interruption
will
be
compromised.
Thank
you.
B
There
are
two
house
and
senate
campaign
bills
that
have
been
introduced
to
the
advanced
tribal
management
of
public
lands
and
to
improve
their
protection
in
sacred
and
cultural
sites,
the
advancing
tribal
party
and
public
land
act
and
the
tribal
cultural
area
protection
act.
The
significance
of
these
bills
are
to
follow.
The
advancing
tribal
party
on
public
lands.
Act
will
prohibit,
prohibit
the
self
public
land
containing
a
tribal
cultural
site
where
a
tribal
nation
retains
a
treaty
or
other
reserved
rights,
or
that
contains
a
former
reservation.
B
Authorize
tribal
governments
to
acquire
public
lands
for
public
purposes.
Increased
tribal
constellations
in
public
land
use
planning
requires
the
consideration
of
the
presence
of
cultural
sites
and
fulfillment
of
treaty
obligations
in
federal
land
decisions
requiring
existing
public
land
advisory
boards
to
include
at
least
one
tribal
representative
for
the
tribal
cultural
area
system
act.
It
will
establish
a
national
tribal
cultural
area
system
to
designate
public
lands
with
cultural,
significant
sites.
B
Tribal
cultural
areas
would
be
managed
to
preserve
their
cultural
values
while
allowing
for
traditional,
tribe,
cultural,
tribal,
cultural
use,
direct
public
land
management
agencies
to
identify
potential
tribal
cultural
areas,
provide
authority
to
tribal
nations
and
management
of
tribe,
tribal
cultural
areas.
Tribes
and
tribal
people
are
being
asked
to
stand
together
in
support
of
this
landmark
legislation.
B
O
Hama,
I'm
stacy
montouth,
I'm
a
citizen
of
the
walker
river
paiute
nation
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
indian
commission.
I'm
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
the
people
of
the
pyramid,
lake
paiute
nation.
Thank
you
for
being
such
gracious
hosts.
I
want
to
thank
chair
davis
for
her
amazing
leadership.
O
I
want
to
thank
jan
any
kind
of
a
meeting
has
so
many
moving
parts,
but
when
you
do
it
remotely
that
is
especially
challenging.
I
want
to
thank
today's
nevada
leaders,
the
committee,
it
seems
to
me
there
was
a
lot
of
good
discussion.
O
It
really
seems,
like
you
all,
are
listening
hard
and
asking
a
lot
of
questions
and
as
the
executive
director
of
an
agency
which
is
charged
with
improving
the
quality
of
life
for
our
27
tribal
nations,
spans
colonies
and
the
62
000
urban
indians
that
now
make
nevada
their
second
home.
I
am
really
grateful.
O
You
know
all
of
our
our
different
communities
have
individual
songs,
individual
creation
stories.
We
eat
different
foods,
however,
we're
all
bonded
to
the
land
and
the
focus
of
your
committee
is
absolutely
vital
to
the
core
of
our
existence.
So,
on
behalf
of
the
nevada,
indian
commission,
thank
you
to
everyone
involved
in
today's
meeting.
O
A
And
thank
you,
hopefully,
the
committees
in
the
future.
Will
you
know
this?
I
believe
this
is
the
first
time
we've
done
this,
we'll
take
it
on
through
each
interim
to
go
out
and
visit
and
discuss.
We
need
we
love
going
on
field
trips,
so
that
works
out
great.
So
are
there
any
other
comments
from
the
audience
today,
not
seeing
anything
else?
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
participating.
Those
who've
come
near
and
far.