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From YouTube: NGS weekly meeting #9 - 2021-12-05

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Project website - https://ngs-lang.org/

A

Hello, I just started recording and I see ricardo is joining okay uh ricardo. I don't know if you hear me but uh you're being recorded hello, oh yeah yeah, so I I was not sure you're joining so I uh started uh yeah.

B

Three minutes after.

A

Okay, just now, okay, so let's do the intro okay! So that's uh you are watching uh weekly ngs meeting and gs stands for next generation. Show. uh Ricardo here is a contributor, uh I'm ilya um as the outdoor m, the outdoor yeah english escapes me. I'm I'm the author of the project. um So weekly meetings are about recent progress and future plans.

A

uh Let's start okay yeah regard I wanna start or you want me to start well, I don't have much so so you go first, let's get rid of this. Basically, nothing yeah, nothing! New, okay, okay,.

B

A

That's it. I have to admit that I I like when it's fast. It doesn't necessarily mean that I like that nothing happened, but I do like that the report is fast. Okay. So from my side uh I was working yeah. I I looked at some issues and stuff like that. I, um whenever I look at the website, pull request. I think well that that will oh, I have a microphone problem. Do you hear me ricardo.

B

A

Okay, so I'm saying when I'm looking at the website pr, it's always okay, that will take some time and then I postpone it to uh to a a time when I think that I will have some some chunk of uninterrupted time, and uh this is never happening so just do it just to prove it and move on no okay. So I want to okay. My cat wants to hold where.

B

Okay, so that's what he thinks: okay, so the most open topic about the about pull request about the website is the question that I asked you how you want the menus, because, depending on how you want the menus, these may go on one direction, only the other direction, so at least.

A

Let's answer that at least right once: okay.

B

Okay got that so that I can finish so that you know I can finish this and then you know you can review everything.

A

Because, currently,.

B

That part is okay,.

A

I took a note: okay, okay, um okay, so what? Yes? Thank you. Thank you of course, mio. Okay. So, um while I was uh working on the uh next milestone, which is running ngs in lambda, the first sub milestone would be running ngs on amazon linux, which is red hat paste, and it's done.

A

We can now run on amazon linux uh in practical, oh yeah, okay, I was saying that we now can run on amazon linux and um in practical terms, it means that uh the console, the icon that you have in the top of your aws web console it opens the shell right.

A

What runs in there is amazon linux. So now, after we release because you know install curl, install installs, the master branch, so after we release it will just work, the coil will work and you will have ngs in there and it will work. Basically, the only difference is yam versus apt right. uh Yes, and no, let's, let's dive in into this just a bit, because there were several interesting things I will.

A

I think they were interesting. Okay, now I'll share the window and I'll show what happened code install says: yes, yes, okay, so I expanded this section, which is uh linux, section, okay and then, if you are on the yam based system, the linux.

B

Extras yeah, the linux extras, the amazing ones.

A

Yeah yeah, okay, so yeah, so you enable them. So if that's amazon linux access, I don't know what, but whatever we need pandora from there. Yeah.

B

A

That you don't get.

B

You don't get some packages because.

A

So another thing: well, I was doing this in a container, so amazon linux is a built container. So you can, you know, experiments with docker, so what I discovered that this container doesn't have pseudo in it. So I made.

B

A

Optional, so if there is sudo in the system, it will use it. If not, then not um so what do we have here? We are enabling the apple repository and then yeah, I'm install. uh What's interesting, I didn't find peg leg, parser leg parts or peg passer whatever.

A

That is another interesting part of this. So if peg parser is not on the system, it will download and compile this during build time, but it doesn't install that okay, I can see what get ones out go. Go go, go! Thank you! Okay, so uh I started writing a shell script. You know download extract and all that, and then I figured wait how about c make so these guys have it figured out here it is okay, that's the section which handles all of this thing, all together, downloading checking the uh hash building it.

A

So here it was here.

B

A

Okay, so leg. Okay, I find the program, so I know if leg is installed, so if it's installed, nothing happens. Otherwise uh it is being downloaded and stuff like that. The important part that I missed at the beginning is that it is a dependency of the ngs binary. You know what happens if you don't do this, what it does it after?

A

So you don't, so you don't have this binary that you need during compile time, so it just fails because it doesn't know how it would know. Okay, so what's interesting, so this leg is actually full path to the leg program.

A

So if I compile this with this download, I get property where the sources are and then set the binary path to sources. Slash lag because that's where, with the output of the compilers, so that's uh I consider that say at least madly interesting.

B

A

Yeah, so I did that so now we can run on amazon linux.

B

Nice, nice and on other red reddit linuxes. I guess.

A

uh Probably, but I didn't test it.

B

Oh by the way, yeah yeah.

A

So that's what I wanted to ask you. uh Maybe you can add red base container. I just didn't find any any uh rented based containers on github, because the official actions are there like ubuntu and mac, and I didn't see so- and I didn't want to spend my time finding how to do the appropriate containers.

A

uh I don't know how to do it.

B

A

B

Only no, but I'm saying not in the build time right, you could just try it locally just to see if it works.

A

uh Yeah, but that's one time I want you know.

B

A

Understand that that actually could run so.

B

It would be nice to get.

A

uh Centos, eight and uh fedora or, however, they call well.

B

I already know something that will not work amazon extras.

B

A

Why amazon extras are inside and if uh okay, so, let's see.

B

A

They are in the system, then they are.

B

A

Nice, nice, nice, so yeah.

B

By the way, I just fixed.

A

It right now, I I.

B

A

I made a mistake, and all this was inside this. If so, it was if it was not amazon linux, it wouldn't work like at all nice.

B

Okay, so you see if there is yam, if there is no yum, there is a bt. I guess we can also start adding some more types.

A

B

As we can have tests for them, that.

A

That's that's uh good, like pacman and other stuff, I'm fine! You know just more platforms.

B

Because you know we cannot be standard in linux right. We cannot just all use ept to be too.

A

Simple yeah: no!

A

Yes, what else uh yeah! I also modified some scripts, because uh the command which I used in my scripts to detect whether binary is present. It was which and guess what which is not present in amazon.

B

A

Yeah then I figured I could use type, but it was later so. First I removed said so, whichever scripts uh there are two. There were two scripts which were using like trying to find said.

B

A

It's all because of mac, because on mac you need to find g set. Yeah.

B

A

You need to make sure that the g and you said that you're running anyhow, so in these files, see wait it's a cat amazing amazing he needs in. He needs out. Okay, let's keep the door open and see how it goes. Okay, so ah no it's annoying.

A

So that's what you have for having kids.

A

So uh yeah, so these two scripts are now using the set that uh cmake finds.

B

A

Because cmake already needed that thread because it was using it. Let's look for it said this stupid malloc. I like this.

B

A

Said okay, so we need g, said on mac and said on other systems. Of course. Yes and now some scripts are also getting this said binary as an argument and use it. So if you look at make syntax make syntax auto yeah set is the first argument.

B

A

Yeah, I don't know if it's nice, but it works and it works on.

B

Amazon, linux tool.

A

Okay, so that was from my side. Not much actually happened. I I think I I reviewed some other issues a closed one or something like that which was not one but other than that. That's the main focus to get the training. I also have like um I started working in another repository on the uh lambda itself.

A

uh Oh, oh, I'm not sharing it uh I'll! Stop this and I'll share. That's that window, yeah! So and another repository I started working on the lambda itself, which needs what which needs to like pull the next request and stuff like that, not really interesting right now. uh What I wonder if there was something interesting.

A

It's not here, no, there will be a script which will make uh layers, and I wonder whether uh actually I'm not sure I wonder I think you also probably need to do a code pipeline with full build in amazon. So you know if people want to use it like in any sane manner, they would they have their own code pipeline.

A

uh So um where is this layer then stored in their account? So what what I think we could uh could make? We could make a layer and share it, and then everybody could use it, but then I'm afraid of several things. Okay, let's say we got hacked yeah and now that layer contains you know arbitrary binaries.

B

What happens? What happens with the snaps? What happens with the install sh? You know.

A

Let's yeah, but if you make a layer.

B

It's the same: okay,.

A

It's almost the same, but it's not the same because you made it and you know how it was made and.

B

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have the builds also that exposed right. We should definitely add this code. Also, you know to the public, so it will not be. You know some weird obscure way of building it right.

A

But we could also run it in our account.

B

And just expose the layer.

A

B

That's what I'm thinking yeah, you know it's like.

A

A yeah and then let the people choose yeah yeah the same as install.

B

Sh right it's there, people can use it or people can just copy it and run it. You know locally up to them. Yeah yeah.

A

Yeah sounds fine, yes, uh should be an option, transparent yeah. So the thing is, for example, that oh that's interesting.

A

I I was thinking that people cannot know that uh how we built this layer, but I think what we can do. We can make read-only aws credentials.

B

And they can query the pipeline or we can build it on github and just push the final binary as an action.

A

Build it on github and then what and the.

B

A

B

Know the doubles.

A

Credentials for publishers, yeah and and again people will not know that you know whatever was built on. Github is actually what we are publishing well,.

B

A

Know because they can see the action right, they can see the.

B

A

Can they somehow make sure that yeah? I guess that what they see is, as the layer is exactly the same, that was published by github? I don't know.

B

They can see by the date of the layer being released and.

A

ah Yeah, that's not.

B

A

Like security right.

B

But these layers are like the docker docker layer right, so they actually have.

A

No, it's not okay layer. It's a it's a lambda layer, it's a zip, but.

B

Yes, so if it's a zip, if it's a zip, we can also post the you know this, the one or whatever of that we can. I'm wondering whether it's.

A

uh Good enough yeah.

B

You know it's better than nothing, I guess it is. It certainly is you.

A

Know in the end, right.

B

It's you know, it's like you want to use the official use. You don't want you build your own. You know you have transparency and freedom to do whatever you want.

B

A

B

Much uh how how people will use it, how they will.

A

Use the official one they will not be caring about building it. At least most of them uh well depends, I think, if you're like a fortune, 100 enterprises.

B

Security yeah yeah so probably someday someday.

A

They'll make a fork and build it. You know on their jenkins, you know well not aws code build because they are enterprise enterprises. They are.

A

B

I hope there are enterprises.

A

Out there, which actually use the latest technology and saving some money friction time.

B

Depends if you talk about you know latest technology on amazon, probably amazon uses it. I guess I don't know. Maybe I don't know.

A

I bet I must have jenkins somewhere.

B

A

How many years it took them to get rid of oracle? You know yeah, so I wouldn't say you know.

B

A

Surprised for some jenkins, you know inside yeah, okay, so that was all from my side uh and anything you remembered ricardo before we finish nope, so we can finish nice. Okay, uh thank you for watching, uh subscribe and like now like.

B

Like subscribe,.

A

B

A

No there yes like and subscribe, let's see, yeah yeah, because I set up vote one time and it was actually like app what is on reddit and.

B

A

That's different, of course: okay. Okay, see you see you bye.