Next Generation Shell Weekly Meetings, 10 Oct 2021

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From YouTube: NGS weekly meeting #1 - 2021-10-10

Description

Project website - https://ngs-lang.org/

Updates:
* website
* deeply nested data structures
* github action

Website update pull request - https://github.com/ngs-lang/ngs/pull/486

Deep Data Structures Manipulation Design - https://github.com/ngs-lang/ngs/wiki/Deep-Data-Structures-Manipulation-Design

Github Action - http://action.ngs-lang.org

UI Design - https://github.com/ngs-lang/ngs/wiki/UI-Design

A

Computer, yes in progress, oh my god recording is progress.

A

Okay, uh hello, everyone: uh let's do some introduction for um the people that are watching this for first time and maybe don't know what ngs is, it will be short right. um At least introduction will be short. Okay. um This is weekly meeting of ngs. uh Ngs is shorthand for for a next generation shell.

A

uh This is programming language uh for devops. It's a modern programming language for devops. um So and during this meetings we will be uh reviewing uh what has been recently done and what are the near future plans and maybe sometimes uh farther into the future.

A

uh Did you forget anything? Ricardo.

B

uh Yeah just saying that it's the first meeting, so it is a bit messy still and not planned and stuff like that, but it will get better.

A

Yes, I hope, okay, um so I guess what I guess, the the nearest future, we'll figure out these meetings uh me and ricardo. um Actually, mostly ricardo, is handling this uh setup, uh so ricardo will be checking how what would be the best way to do this meetings.

A

um We will uh maybe we'll experiment a bit, maybe we'll switch formats uh we'll see um we will arrive at some like optimal way to do it.

B

Yeah, my idea now was to to do discord and to do live broadcast over youtube directly after the discord window. But I got some issues with the sounds, so I couldn't figure out how to pass the the audio from discord out, at least not yet so we had to switch to zoom so that we could actually record it in a normal way.

B

Yeah. So that's where we are at this and why we want a discord, because we could include it on the channel and everyone would know where it is without having to share links and whatever. On the other hand, we just.

A

Published today's zoom meeting link, so if anybody is okay, how they would no oh yeah, I did at everyone in discord, so people are actually free to join. um It will be the same time every week unless uh discussed otherwise, so actually people will have a chance to prepare and to be oh regardless. Maybe we should do a calendar which could be shared and then it will be just.

B

For now it will.

A

Be just the weekly meeting, but maybe later we'll have some more events.

B

Yeah, for now I just put it on the webpage on the new web page. That is like a big. Oh, it's not.

A

B

No, there is like a big.

A

B

They are saying you know every sunday at four gmt, so.

A

B

The time slot we figured out for this uh again right, it may change or not depending on the needs or if people don't really care about it. Maybe we reduce the amount of them but yeah, let's hope not yeah.

A

Okay, um so uh maybe I'll start okay, so I um uh maybe I'll even show okay, so ah a bit of context, so um the ingest development is, um is all on github. So you can see the milestones and if you look there, the uh current milestone includes uh deeply nested data structures.

A

uh The need arised at work where we did fire and fire is um the specification of data structures and rest api, and this can get deeply nested and we needed to do some stuff and we couldn't like in a straightforward manner.

A

So since data manipulation is one of the uh aspects that should be handled well in ngs, uh and we have seen- which is that this situation is not covered, uh we're trying to cover this situation too, and I'm working exactly on that. um Maybe I'll show some.

A

What can I show? Okay, there are several things that I can show. First is the design document, but I think maybe it should be just a link right. That will be just a link because it's just you know the wiki page on github just too much to show. I can maybe show a bits of code that kind of work, and uh that will be maybe some small example yeah.

B

But this is what you posted. This is what you posted for the design discussion right on discord on the channel. Oh design, discussion.

A

Just let me check yes, yes, yes, that's the page, so I don't even need to post anything. uh I think if we upload this episode to youtube, you can post the link below yeah.

B

Yeah sure, okay.

A

So, um let's maybe take a few minutes and then I can show you the uh what's working and what's not uh currently in in this uh deep data structures. Okay, also I'll share my screen, not the whole screen I'll share just one window with my experiments.

A

uh Let me share.

A

The big green button desktop desktop; no, no! No! No! Oh yeah! That's that's a thing! Okay. Let's say that I have too many open windows and I need to understand which one is it? Okay, uh do you see my uh shared screen recorder? Yes,.

B

A

Okay, good, so this is implementation. Implementation is not very uh interesting. What's interesting is the tests which actually show how you can do how you can use the feature: okay, n, okay, so here you'll be seeing n and on my computer, that is uh elias uh to ngs dash pi. That is shortcut for print inspect.

A

That means that the object on the right is getting inspected and inspected. That means that there's like some more information about what it is so, for example, for one it says it's the integer one: okay, if it's a string, then yeah string of blah blah blah and here's your string, okay, so um I'll be using n for showing you know how the stuff works.

A

Okay, so I'm copy pasting the example: let's see the output, oh yeah, okay, so, first of all you get the warning that you're using experimental feature, which I guess uh that is a warning which says you know this is not finished. This can change, so you should not uh rely on this heavily or in production, for example, or in somewhere treated in some critical places.

A

Still somehow recorded still feel that we some have some missing background. Maybe but let's let's finish with this and maybe get to more of the general.

B

A

uh Also, we should probably do some uh some short videos about. You know intro, and you know.

B

Yeah, that's fine.

A

Okay, so um yeah.

B

That's different videos, that's not the meeting here. Yeah.

A

Yeah, okay, so trtr comes from translate, um transform sorry transform is actually a better word.

A

So what it does it does recursively work the structure and does the specified change. So uh this change uh says that each integer that you see you replace it with uh that's.

B

That individual plus.

A

One yes, so yeah so um well! This is simple use case, which could be actually dot map and.

B

A

Would be even shorter, so let's show that for a moment how that could be a short short version of this, because it's very simple use case: it's not actually not not deeply nested x, plus one here we go okay. So let's take something here that you cannot do with anything simple, okay and then let's show that it actually works um yeah. So you can see that it works it's a and uh yeah. So maybe actually this one could be a better scene. Is this.

B

So for these deeply nested structures, you basically implemented the tr.

A

Yes and that's the only command- and I think it should remain the only comment here and all the magic goes into the uh actually uh the description of the transformation, so um yeah yeah.

B

By the way you have a typo, you have a type one line, one three, five.

A

One five transfer.

A

What happened over.

B

A

Thank you experimental, well experimental. You know I have.

B

A

Excuse, okay, so what's interesting here, so um that this uh syntax okay, this is not syntax, which is uh unique to tr this. um The arrow is called the pattern action, so you can do this and that's an expression, and that means it's composable and you can, you know, compose your transformation from different pieces and then it all will all work together.

A

Okay, so this just uh you know, takes a left and right argument and just makes one object out of this. uh So potentially we could use it somewhere else. I was thinking that, maybe, if we have a map, then we can say that integers we are converting to something, and in this case everything that is not integer will stay the same as it was yeah.

B

But this one works for simple for simple: yes,.

A

Yes, that's just general thought about how and where we could use the uh the arrow operator and the uh pattern action object. Okay,.

B

A

Go back so what else we have here in this so from here you can already see that it actually traverses the structure and it goes in there. I think it may it's maybe.

B

Yeah, but we need more deep, more deep things, because now it's still very shallow, so.

A

Well, what does the next one? These can go deeper? It doesn't matter that much you can. You can deeper. You already see kind of the the record. The recursion here.

B

But how how how deep can you go.

A

B

A

uh Like it goes like traverses, all of this completely.

B

And basically, and basically you just need to do inter, for instance, with this entire function right it basically just increments one to anything that has that is integral.

A

Yeah, so uh if you, if you go maybe a bit deeper uh on the left side of the arrow, is the pattern pattern. So when it's a type, it's just checks that the function is of that type. But actually it could be. uh I don't know regular expression or whatever, so it could be anything and uh a worse.

B

It will not match on the array, but uh then it will get inside the.

A

B

And then it will match inside your eight okay.

A

Yeah, okay, so here's another use case, so uh we just discussed it goes like indefinitely in depth, but that is excluding the cases where the match occurred. So, for example, here okay, we've seen a scene, an array and there is a top label.

A

So now let's say you want to like wrap each array with start and end elements. I see I see so here you need to actually describe that. You are now descending uh okay, because otherwise you wouldn't need all this. You wouldn't have all this uh nested.

B

uh And if you do descend b, it basically then goes value by value, and it's like.

A

No, it knows what are you looking at and then it descends from that point.

B

And then it does recursively from that point on.

A

B

When it gets back, it basically adds this end after that, right.

A

Yeah we can, we can see it right, not only you have this actually after equal equal on the right, you can actually run this. So you see that's the top.

B

Left start and then yeah so.

A

And without descent, actually you won't have much ah without the 10 okay, so the a parameter here would uh b is the match itself. So, let's see, as I mentioned itself- and it doesn't descend into this area.

A

So- and I I actually was.

B

What happens if you have another array inside that's one.

A

Well, let's uh see, is the sand or is it without descent.

B

We descend inside the descent already yeah it's here, yeah.

A

B

Exactly perfect, so it only descends one time: no, no! No. It descended molly yeah you're right. It.

A

B

As long as the spider.

A

Matches uh what.

B

A

Can do actually if you want to descend forever. uh This b thingy is actually uh what's called context and you can check if you want to descend depending on the context, so, let's print the context for a moment. Actually, I know, what's exactly in context, we have so x b, dot pass. So, for example, you could check that you are not nesting too much right, so you can check that you are like one label deep. Maybe.

B

Okay, I see- and of course, because this is an expression you can actually do validation instead of array, you could actually just check, for instance, the b path and check that p path is, let's say uh equal to one and.

A

Actually, uh no.

B

A

No because uh the pattern on the left, it doesn't get all the context.

B

A

We can do something which is rough because these patterns- this is something uh general, and it also should work with dot, filter and stuff like that and there you don't have this context um so uh which.

B

Is fine which is fine, so it means that on the right side, then we would have to do the if, like, if b path, let's say equals to one then do that text, otherwise just print the a or something like that.

A

Yeah, but we could actually uh potentially we could extend here and do this- uh maybe something like uh tr context.

B

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A

Yeah yeah for now, for now I didn't see like any real use case. uh We can fix it there, so the idea is to get it out of the door and you know cover our basic fire use cases.

B

A

Then just go ahead and add stuff as we need it.

B

Exactly but basically on that case you know we could do a b dot path bigger than one do that thing, otherwise, just to yeah.

A

Let's, let's express the way it's a bit yeah just to understand.

B

A

B

A

I'll do if just here.

B

A

If uh b path, uh I guess I need the uh land of it. uh Let's say uh lesson, one lesson: two yeah.

B

That's the two: that's fine.

A

uh Then uh descend and else uh let's do uh nope nope.

B

Yeah, exactly okay.

A

B

For us to get an idea, you know nice, nice, okay, I see cool nope yeah, so.

A

Basically, you.

B

Can do you can do it's a function, so you can actually do infinite things over there, okay and even call a different function. I guess.

A

B

A

Yeah yeah and different whatever yes uh on the right to the arrows. That's the function gets the current match and the context context has a batch of information. uh Actually it's defined here. It has the uh original top level transformation.

A

uh The current element, and also the command, will not get into that.

B

Okay, nice, but it has stuff.

A

It has stuff and you'll be adding stuff there, because it's.

B

A

The correct place to add any uh information about the uh context and and may- and maybe you know the upper transformations maybe can pass something to the uh more deeply nested transformations. So it already looks pretty cool. So what's missing there thanks what's missing, okay, it does recourse its data structure, but it currently doesn't recurse into the uh pattern. So if the pattern would not be ah actually oh sorry, I I did do that. It's it's starting to take shape. So, let's, let's do this just like my reason for a couple of days ago.

A

That's why I didn't remember I had, but it doesn't like completely work. That's why I'm not okay! So what we have here we have. If you see a pattern of two integers, uh you delete this sec yeah. You skip the second integer.

B

Second integer, because it's epsilon and epsilon is the same as b right.

A

You tell the to skip the the element.

B

So basically, you accept a and b or epsilon and x by default right.

A

It's it's just. uh No. We had a and b because it was with curly braces without calibration.

B

This is a generic.

A

B

A

Partial application, ngs yeah.

B

Okay, yeah because I always use a and b. That's why I was just.

A

Because you're using curly braces yeah yeah all the time yeah, but you know if you have short expressions, there is no reason right. Yeah.

B

A

Your expressions somehow are long because I don't know how to do them smaller. I guess we can.

B

Discuss this by the way.

A

If you have like some, uh you know some, we need to check which code we can reveal and which we can't. I I.

B

Thought, maybe maybe if you have some use.

A

Cases like where you want to like uh improve the code.

B

Yeah we can start putting on the one-liner channel of this chord and then you can always make the one-liner even smaller and say.

A

My code, golf yeah.

A

Operators, which I actually don't recommend, but you know you can do code golf there's, uh for example, uh instead of like echo one uh you can do one and feed it into echo. Oh.

B

A

It does the same, but it only has one and what.

B

Can you do.

B

A

uh Yes, you can do one dot, echo, that's exactly the syntactically equivalent to putting one into the parenthesis. uh So this you can do code golf. I would not recommend. um As you know, just a matter of you know context. uh um I don't think standard library uses that and unless you understand why exactly you want it, you shouldn't use it either.

A

B

Cool, so that's that's the state that you have that's nice, so basically.

A

B

Or do you have something that has really.

A

No, no, I have uh I have issues, I don't remember, something was not working. Wait. A uh I had some comment.

B

You had it on the function. There was like a butt fails or something so so fails.

A

Let's fails yeah, oh yeah, what is really uh tr yeah, so some of this some doesn't work wait. Maybe I fixed this already.

B

Actually, actually that one is here that one, that's one you show me it's fixed, are you.

A

Sure, maybe it's not exactly yeah? No, it's not exactly the one. There's some difference. I'll.

B

Get that ah it's not an array of an array, it's just the array itself, no.

A

No, it is an array of ray.

B

No no, but it is you know.

A

B

A

B

It fails when it watches the first one. I guess.

A

Wait a moment what what and and I need to remove the whole array it. It should remove the the array with both integers, not each separate integer, but the whole array yeah. This somehow.

B

A

Okay, I'll get it okay, um okay, so.

B

I guess that that's.

A

uh Actually, it covered the recent past and the near future. This is uh the thing, but basically.

B

That's that's about it right or do you have any other thing that you know it's not.

A

Working, um I think it's not finished. I need to actually compare my notes into the design document and see you know maybe some things I probably implemented maybe differently, and then I need to update design documents.

B

A

Yeah, I think there was also some work here: okay, nice, by the way here, you can see uh interesting rules so top level rules. So, in addition to what you give, it adds two rules to the bottom so and how it works. You know it all the rules that you give they are matched one by one. If, if the first one doesn't match it tries the second one and so on.

B

A

Now that means that if all your rules failed.

B

A

Does descend? Okay on the data structure, if it's descendable by the way the sendable is a pattern. Okay,.

B

A

It's just defined here, it's a any off blah blah, doesn't matter that much, but it's a pattern so and then why it cannot fail if any like it will match anything. It just returns the object itself.

B

A

So if your transformation didn't match you just get back what it was the same thing.

B

A

And what's interesting here that maybe we can provide us in future some uh some option to like uh not to have this rules, and then you know, if you know for sure that your transformation must catch everything, then maybe you you should do like without these rules and have an exception. If it, uh you know, doesn't work, okay, yeah or or even simpler, in your transformation. You can provide this and just throw an exception on this as the last transformation. Yes,.

B

Yes, actually yeah, you could actually put it afterwards, also right so.

A

B

Stupid it's kind of stupid because it already matched the top rule, but you could actually add that by default to any rule.

A

What, as a last adword.

B

As a last, let's say, as a last thing.

A

They are added automatically. Yes,.

B

What I'm saying you know is that you could add an any throw exception and, if.

A

People want to add.

B

Their rules that will be the last rule right always.

A

I think the common behavior is that you do want the object. Okay,.

B

A

Why it's not an exception?

A

B

Yeah yeah, here's.

A

Your warning about experimental feature.

B

A

Okay, so uh yeah, I think it's yeah. I think that the problem is actually more of logical problems at the top label, actually reports it should skip, and then, if you skip this, what do you left with you know top level.

B

You want to skip it.

A

B

You don't have.

A

It no that's not same yeah, true, actually yeah, okay, we'll get to that. Okay. So that's uh from my side.

B

Okay, so yeah I can. I can also show what I have been.

A

Stopped sharing.

B

Cooking, so yes, yeah.

A

B

I have been in yeah in some side tasks because I always pick the sizes.

A

Yes, yes, yes,.

B

Side tasks with the site also yeah,.

A

B

Side- yes, yes, yeah, so yeah, so this last week it was around the website. It was around the scheduling of these public meetings.

A

B

It was also around the update from gpg3 blah blah blah that was already submitted to brew so gps3.

A

Actually, I was wondering whether we need to do something on our side, because.

B

A

Picked our license from whatever we had.

B

No, no, it's like the only difference is that the gpl three now you had to define if you wanted gpl three, only or gpl three and latest so yeah.

A

Okay: okay, let's maybe give a bit of context to the listeners which are not familiar uh so we had um somebody's back is packaging homebrew for us and packaging mgs, so it will be installable through homebrew on mac and uh they opened an issue for us uh regarding that. Our license is not clear, it says gpl3 and it should specify whether it's gpl3 only or gpl3 and above so ricardo handled that and uh I'm wondering whether we should actually uh do any update on our side.

A

B

Let's, just uh let me just share that, so it's not someone, you know it was shen rui 333. Thank you.

A

Yeah, thank you for opening this and thank you for thank you for handling this.

B

I think yes, he actually updates this with rich release. Yes, yes, he's doing a pretty good job there. So the problem as far as understood from you know, looking into this is that now gpl you have to define you know if you want gpl, 3.0 or later or gpl 3.0 only right. Yes,.

A

Since we still.

B

Don't know what is later because it still was not released. I just stick by gpl3 only. Why? Because the one that we have on the repository is gpl3 so later on. Do you know when is.

A

There any definition from github's perspective because they always show licenses.

B

And stuff like that, that is license on the license. If you look at the license, yes,.

A

B

Version 3., so, okay.

A

B

Gpl version 4 or version whatever right.

A

You will have to.

B

Update it on github right and in that moment, then we should change. Also on the group for now. Do you know, okay,.

A

B

We are specific on gpl version, 3 right, so we shouldn't, you know, say that we accept.

A

I think maybe besides the license, it says, if I remember correctly, it's maybe uh says this version or.

B

Oh, it says here version three right, so it's.

A

Very no! No, but look inside.

A

What you, what you're searching for, uh I think the licenses I I read it like years ago, but I think the license itself said. You know that the code is subject to this license or uh later versions of it or something like that. No.

B

No, I think this.

A

License wait refers to version three yeah. That's it. How sure you are about this.

B

uh I would say 80 to 90 sure.

A

If you can get to 100, that would be good well.

B

I didn't read the license, but as.

A

Far as no, I will never use it. uh How I don't know it bothers me, because.

B

It's okay, so it's okay now improve. We just have that. We accept gpl version 3 and in our return repository we say that we accept gpl version 3 and that's it and later on. You know. If we see there is a value to have gpl version 3 or latest, or you know, 3.1 or 3.2 or whatever, then we also have to update this one on the repository, so we can handle that later. So for now, what's just to be.

A

I don't know, I think it's more complex than that, because contributors uh contribute to specific license and then I'm not sure how like would it be okay to change the license later after the contributions.

B

um Well, we we are okay with version three, so let's never change it. That's it.

A

Gpl three zero.

B

Yeah, you have gpal to zero and that's it you know you don't have any allergy. Well then good.

A

B

You have these lgpls and whatever, but no.

A

It's uh yeah should consider to switch to mit, but uh that's for another story: yeah so.

B

For now we are gpl3 and we still stayed gpl3. So that's you know I just decided to beat gpl3 only and until we see any any impact on that that that is negative. We will just not care about that. I guess so it's updated. So at least they say now it's it's okay!

B

So that's fine and outside from that yeah outside from that uh was updating the site and this public scheduling of the meeting that it's still having some issues there. So what I can show you now, which is way more interesting, is the website. Okay, new website.

A

B

Let's, let's look at the old one. First of all, this was our sad old one very.

A

B

Very basic: it worked yeah, it worked it's all here, so I just looked at this and you know followed an approach of you know. What would I want to see? You know on someone's website right to help me out. You know, starting with the language and what is important. You know from a point of view of a user right that gets there first time right and wants to just run this thing or actually from a more experienced user that actually wants to see. You know reference to the language and stuff like that.

B

So here we did had links somewhere there, but they were not very obvious right, so this was kind of the design I tried to follow for the new one. So to start with right, we get rid of all these things and we go with a simple message here and just the logo, which is fine and yeah. We have right here. We have the three most important things from the communication point of view. That is the reference, so reference is language reference directly and why does it have the search symbol?

B

Because this is actually the page I use most when I'm trying to develop with njs, because I can just go here, you know find and I go.

A

I I still think that you know it's not an obvious icon, for uh you know, let's see.

B

Let's see what the other side you know for me, I love it because you know it's just that's why it's the first I can hear you know it's like experienced. People will just go here, click it you know, search for for what they want to do. You know they see all the methods and they can just you know, go over this by the way. Also note that the links here are now, you know ngs kind of links so that we don't have to deal with the full.

B

You know things so if you want to remember the link that is ref.ngs.lang.org.

B

A

Sub domains yeah.

B

It will still it will still go here. It's just a redirect right, but uh but.

A

It's a nice redirect yeah. I didn't.

B

Want to really cover them right, because I don't want to deal with the you know: ssl certificates and so on there. So it's just a simple redirect right that will redirect you to the other website so that you don't have to remember. You know this, so all of them are down like that. Okay, so we also have manual manuals. Here's the manuals, the link is manual, but okay, you get the idea.

A

Maybe we can do it.

B

Yeah yeah yeah, so here is the yeah. Here is the manual there.

A

Are actually pages.

B

Linked from here- yes, yes and then I also added the wiki and the wiki basically goes to the ngs wiki that is still on github, so it just goes directly. There.

A

Wait you, you have plans to move.

B

Okay, no, I don't.

A

What I'm saying is.

B

You know that's where we have it, so it will stay like that. So here are the three main informations here on this side. You have the social part, so the social part, it's basically source code, which now also has you know, source dot, ngs language.org, yeah.

A

The text below icons- that's uh real text right.

B

Yes, yes, okay,.

A

Just to make sure, because you know people will search the page okay good, because it's like looks like one with the icon itself: okay,.

B

So here let's say: videos goes to our youtube channel. That's where these and now we also have one directly to this core that basically just invites you to discord channel. If you are not there anymore, okay, so it just goes to the discord channel with invitation um yeah, and this is for youtube yeah. It goes to youtube stuff yeah. When we have this thing.

A

B

Yeah, that's my idea here. It's our meeting stuff, okay, which has the discord link by the way discord yeah. It's also discord.ngslang.org that has the invitation as.

A

You see so it's all like that now so.

B

Outside from that, the the main uh so main information about the website like the about and the features kind of stay, the same uh just looks nicer now because of for my formatting and so on. uh Links are still here a bit changed so added here, the social ones and yeah. Now they are actually gray and when you over, you know they get, they get purple, which is.

A

B

And all this area here was redone, so now we get a quick start where we basically have all the ways to install energy.

A

You know what I think, uh actually you can remove the from words from here.

B

A

Then maybe get rid of the uh underline under the links.

B

Well, I could yeah, I could actually make well.

A

It would be cleaner, I think no, but.

B

A

See how it looks no here here is fine, no.

B

Yeah, but I didn't want to make them different because they are still links. You know like.

A

It looks a bit uh because of the uh the underline and the border of the next box is like near to each other. It makes some a bit of clutter.

B

Yeah, so I left the for from here so that you know that you can. That is from that. If you install in your computer yeah.

A

But it will be just source, homebrew snap. You know, I think it's it's. It's fine.

B

I don't know because here you have in docker right, so it's.

A

B

You install it on your computer, you are actually running.

A

A container you know- and here you are actually running.

B

It inside github actions- and here you are actually running it on the pattern on you- know an iphone or.

A

Notebook, okay, scroll up, what's the title of this quick start, maybe you can.

B

A

Sections like install or right.

B

I just wanted, you know I just wanted to have them. You know without too much.

A

B

Did I just go here and you look, uh what is my flashlight.

A

Maybe from can stay, but maybe can you try to maybe remove the underline.

B

I can remove generally that's fine, that's totally fine. uh I can do that if you want so yeah linux and max.

A

Try to see I try and see. I think it will be look much better. You don't have to try it now.

A

It takes decoration, none done.

B

Do you like it.

A

I don't know it's now, it's it looks strange because it's different yes, exactly.

A

Okay, we'll we'll think about this later.

B

So uh yeah, so now you have, you know mac and linux symbols here eventually, when we have windows, if we have windows, it will also appear there. That will be tough, so shell from the shell, of course, you can do it.

A

B

The source from home route- you know from snap and so on and so on by the way here, you can also complete things. Yes, that's it and powered by by.

A

The way by the way, regardless uh remind me, this uh two comments, one uh one after another, so what I'm thinking about the ui? Let's just uh you know further into the future plans uh that in the ui well, my idea is that you know whatever you type is not actually blocking.

B

A

Type, the command it it comes up, it goes up and you are unblocked. You can type the next command. What I'm thinking the correct way is that if you continue typing comments, if one of them fails, you need to stop executing the the commands in the buffer and then because you know, if you create a directory and it was not created, then you don't need to continue, and then you kind of.

B

A

Grade them out- and maybe you can do replay after if you fix it or something like that, yeah.

B

We have to come up with the design for the ui for sure. Well,.

A

I ha I have a page. We do have a page uh ui design. We do have it uh it's just not uh as complete, but you know main ideas are there that the input is not blocking that all the objects on the screen are actually objects to be interacted with. It's not a dump.

B

A

B

uh By the way, um but about this, this is also something that came up uh like uh one or two weeks ago, so we now can run this inside the github action. Okay. So if you click there, it goes to the of course, actions.

A

B

To the marketplace of github, where we have our github action uh so the way we did I did this github action is that it's actually part of the main repository. So that's why you see you know the full, the full readme of the repository, but why did I.

A

Do it like this? No, why did.

B

I do it like this, because every time you release this thing, you can actually upgrade update this thing without having to go to a different repository and update it right, and this is very useful because oh yeah right now, I just did you know uh custom release just so that we have it so next, one here will just be 13 right. It will not have this dash action. That was just for because I didn't want. You know to do a full release. I just wanted to increment on top of the release that already.

A

B

Sense yeah, so how do you release now by the way? Maybe that's an interesting thing, but I have to go to the.

A

Other tab, I have.

B

To go to the other tab because yeah this is source yeah. This is anonymous one. So when you click here to release, when you go there and click release that I cannot it will, it actually shows you that if you want to update also the action or not- and of course you always have to select yes- and I think how.

A

Is it, how does it.

B

Work because he knows because it's italy, I will show you, I will show you it's pretty cool.

A

Critical stuff.

B

They did a good job there, so, let's, let's go there right. Imagine that I wanted to do a new release right. I would go there and I would create draft new release. Look here.

A

Okay, action wait, publish.

B

Is actually in marketplace? Okay,.

A

B

It and you don't have to configure anything, because this is already configured from.

A

B

From the configuration file, but because he sees this configuration file, he's actually ammo, he knows.

A

B

It so the only thing is that you know you just do through this normally, and you just make sure that this thing is ticked. If you untick.

A

It it doesn't release.

B

A

It actually blows my head github actually.

B

A

Wait wait, wait, wait. I think that all this automatic thinks that this repository is actually the action repository and not the the original.

B

In this case, it actually is it's like. There are people that actually split the action and the original report.

A

I think that's how github envisioned that and that's.

B

What most people do yeah, but for our case it's like it was.

A

It's it's! It's fine!

A

It works. Okay. So no.

B

It was unworth it yeah, it was unworth and worth it work, uh especially because these action files- I I can show you this action value- is just so stupid, so small that yeah.

A

B

To have to deal with this separately, so if we go to this action file, the only thing that we actually need there is this done. You know, I just tell him how to install and that's it. I just say it's.

A

B

And I just tell him how to install this done. You know.

A

Yeah so anyhow, you know uh this was not a big effort and you know if somebody complains. This is somehow not working as expected. Then they.

B

A

It and for now there is no reason to invest more time in this, because it works.

B

Yes, and why was it nice also? Let me just show you really quick also because of naming purpose. Why did I do it like this? Let me just switch back to the other screen, uh because now you can actually refer to it like this, so you you don't have you know, use ngslang setup dash and yes, you actually have ngslang slash ngs like normally, you know like you would do you know if you wanted to clone or whatever right, yeah.

A

Okay, that is yes, repository, yeah yeah, you just.

B

Give the version, and after that guess what you can just run, you know and yeah.

A

Whatever you don't don't need to keep additional pieces of information in your head. Action is called okay, so.

B

That's why I did it I'll, although the title is setup ngs because they didn't allow me to have the title, as you know, ngs, but yeah at least the repository is the same okay, so.

A

B

So that's that's from my side, yeah exactly.

A

Good good looks good uh yeah.

B

Someone doesn't like it or wants to improve, it feel free, tell.

A

Us what you think guys yeah.

B

A

Guess we approve this people, I guess we.

B

We approve this, we release these and you know if someone wants to change something, you know pull requests on top of that and that's it.

A

Yeah sounds good. Okay, uh do you think we need mention anything else for now, I think we could kind of covered.

B

Yeah, we are doing a big refactor also on our discord channel, so things are changing every day, so yeah, sorry for that.

A

B

We are trying to make it.

A

Let's see new picture every day.

B

Trying to make it better yeah.

A

Yeah, okay, so good! um Let's uh what let's, I guess, uh wrap it up.

B

A

Okay, so uh like to summarize, maybe okay, there was work on the website, which is kind of coming to an end. uh There's discord setup uh and there is a deeply nested data structures which is work in progress. That's that's the summary actually.

B

A

Maybe for next yeah, then github, uh maybe actually for next time. We could do the summary before so. You know if people want the tl tldr version of the video, they could watch the first 60 seconds and decide if they want watch all of this. Yes,.

B

And we actually should have this as a you know, as a screen screen share in the beginning of the meeting, just so that everybody.

A

Yeah, maybe maybe a single slide.

B

Yeah single slide with that and that's it and then we talk.

A

Yeah then we need to synchronize on the agenda before, but uh or actually we can do two separate slides one for you, one for me one for each now. One.

B

For one, no actually, let's.

A

Yeah yeah: let's do one slide: yeah yeah.

B

A

The rest is the.

B

Random discussion, the rest.

A

Let's not do random it's supposed to be about. You know what we did and what we're going to do. Let's.

B

Maybe you know.

A

Random discussions, we can maybe do separate meetings or like random meetings, so.

B

It's like a weekly, a weekly stand up. Okay, I see.

A

Weekly that yeah kind of yes, unless we found the new topics and we uh put them into agenda- then I guess maybe maybe we can put them like towards the end. So people we need to kind of sort by uh interest, yeah the more interesting topics towards the beginning, so people could stop watching like we are not doing like a you know in the movies. You know this suspense in the middle. You know no.

B

We can actually no, you can actually have to do extra effort of getting all the pinpoints of the video and just putting you know on youtube the times where each topic starts. Yes, yes,.

A

Good yeah, I I I don't know how to do it, but the uh I think it should be: okay, yeah, okay, doc,.

B

So, let's close, it.

A

Okay, uh see you next time, people.

B

Yeah, I hope more people join.

A

Yeah hope you enjoyed yeah. Let us know what you think, how they say: uh subs like and subscribe, and.

B

A

Join us on the meeting, don't leave.

B

A

Meeting, try ngs tell us what you think about ngs. Our feedback is very important because uh uh that's the time in the language life, where uh things can't be affixed, unlike uh more mature languages, which has have much gold out there and uh cannot fix stuff and they just accumulate craft, and it's not a pretty picture, and now at this stage we have much more opportunities to fix.

A

So, for example, I would very appreciate if you find inconsistencies in the language uh that is completely uh how you say uh inconvenient uh to fix later, when the code is out there yeah so uh yeah. uh Thank you all for watching all three people: okay, uh I'll, stop! Recording! Now, yeah, yeah, okay, see you guys.