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A

Smearing trans 2 weeks ago, yes,.

B

31 me it's because they it's a month day year in the meeting notes, it would be better I, think if worse year-month-day, because the as the way I see the files, so I'll I have a lot of mocks repeatedly.

A

Yeah I see you keep changing them. It's ok, the convention, yeah.

C

I always prefer that is Oh year-month-day yeah, because that's intervention right, yeah, yeah, yeah I always have developers and in Europe trying to do like day month year and that always can show.

D

C

Out of our American users, yep.

B

Brazil is, they must be or true, I think.

C

It's pretty much anywhere, except for the US, which is weird much like.

C

Metric system, what the hell is that.

C

B

Watching a video that he was talking about the metric is about date all over the place and how haddock is to true beautiful red, for example, I didn't know much the digital debt, but there is some countries, that's job from day, 28 December 28th to 1st January. So how can you real?

B

You can build a system based on dates that you can't comes that you need to consider all the variables for all countries, all other that that that kind of that stuff, you know so be thankful to some guy some people that already did this and they build immunity and open source library. True, so you can use it.

A

Yeah there is mom enjoys yes, I, usually as.

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C

There's kind of like a backlash against a moment because it got really big. Now people want to use smaller date function, whatever I just always need to use moment for time. Phones, because time zones are the devil there.

B

Yes, oh, it was like to ask one simple question: how do you generate this I did manually, but how do you generate the the time zone and that you open issue, so you can have a United States perceived Mountain Centro that I used great. They issue a mentorship meeting today, yeah.

A

Honestly, I just copy-paste it from old meetings because it's always at the same time.

A

Like Anna and their tried a 14, for example, but it is the same I thought.

B

That we had you had a site home page. That's already beauties this. There.

A

Is actually it was created by a rich short I believe someone from the no just TS and community committee I'm, not sure, but there is a tool, but we don't use it at the moment we tried and it was a little bit complicated. So no one just got back to it, but it should automatically generate the issues for the meetings as well. Okay,.

A

So how about run late, hello, everyone hi guys, so we did start the match process. Last week we announced that the form is open. We had to talk them another week before that we announced it on the slack Channel.

A

On June 10th, we did close the application form and yesterday I did send the list of mentees applied mentees to each mentor and I did send them an email and I told them that we are expecting to get like their top three to five choices from like the mentees that applied for their topic by the end of next week, so June 20th.

A

So this is like a generalist at some date.

A

Yeah, it's pretty exciting after we start so I. Let me open the email.

A

So Matteo one of the mentors mentoring go about streams. He mentioned a couple of suggestions for the next cohorts.

A

Basically, the let's take out was huge, like around 200 mentees, so he it was really hard for him to choose.

C

A

So he suggested to cap the number of people who can like apply to each mentor to 30 to 50 mentees, which I believe is a good suggestion, because at the moment it's not really fair. So he is probably gonna miss like reading a few applications from this huge list.

A

So if we cap it from the like the application at the beginning, I'm not sure if Google Forms has this option in the first place, but maybe we can have some like manual checking every few days whenever we open the next application and just disable the check box for this mentor. If they have more than like, let's say 50 applications, I think it's a good suggestion. What do you think yeah.

D

I like it, he also mentioned I, think listing the mentors availability so that the mentees could self select based on that. If they weren't going to be available when the mentor was there's no need for them to choose that mentally.

A

Yeah he did. This is the second Sanderson as well. I think it makes sense. I feel that we like dependent I'll, depend that a lot on the mentors the surround for filtering.

A

So we had to do all the filtering, the last cohort and this court weighted the effect we just give the food ring to the mentors right yeah, but the average is around 60 mentees. The average number of applicants parameter.

A

So 160 is not like that in the form each mentee had to choose their top three selections and we had around 400 mentors applied, M&T supplied I also. Did they know that isolated mentors I sent a suggestion about how to filter so I, don't know accurate or it's the last way to go about it. It.

D

Electorial owed to me, I read it yeah.

A

um So, just to give context for everyone watching so first filtering based on the availability of like the mentor and the mentee based on notified, what they submitted them for then they, the mentor, will filter based on the experience level that they have in mind. So if a mentor needs someone that has like entry-level experience about know, they already contributed. We have like these fields that they can filter on without reading a text slightly flute. It was.

C

A

After that, they can filter, they can sort based on whatever field they prefer or just by date, and they can start reading top to bottom, like the every application and they can check the github link of the applicant and see if, if like this is mint, this mint is person interest and they can move this to a curated list and from that list they can choose their top five or top top three I think so.

A

I think it makes sense, but the larger the list is the more unfair it gets, because you have to choose three and then we're gonna choose one from those three I read through the applications like almost like I just quickly, skimmed over the applications, and there were lots of impressive applications and I feel like it made me like proud of what we're doing, because there's lots of people that are really interested in joining and they have a very nice background stories.

A

Yeah I think we should try to coordinate like after eating. This I also like feel much strongly about that. We should create this public mentorship.

A

Just like a session or two just to bring more people like who will not be selected for this round.

A

So, for that dates, that's all what we have I think we should start coordinating for the next cohort and the next meeting. This way we will have the mentorship round started and hopefully.

A

We just like the only thing that I have to do after this is to announce that they're matching finished and it's gonna happen between the meeting. So we're gonna have to do it. A sync on slack. Basically, we're gonna have to choose from for each mentor one mentee, but I'm not sure how to go about that, like what they suggest.

D

C

Look at that I was muted yeah, so so the decision that we have to make is is like like how to take the effectively the inputs from the mentor and then output a mentee. So what are we getting specifically from each mentor, just a list of which meant I'd like three mentees, that they they accept as mentees yeah.

A

For example, Steven yesterday sent me a three months, so I have to go back to the list and search for the email address.

A

Lido's, okay,.

C

So I mean there's one scenario where, like none of them overlap, are they ordered, like? Does the mentor order like them in terms of preferences, or did they just give us three? He.

D

Gave him the option to leave notes about them if they'd like, but I, don't think we required that they order them in a specific way. Okay,.

C

Well, so there's one: let's just pretend that they did order them. There's the there's, a universe in which they all select different mentees, which you.

D

C

Not out of the realm of possibility with so many mentees, and in that case our job is done. We just pick the top one from each mentor in the case that there are mentors that choose the same. One I guess there's a worst-case scenario: that I don't think it's possible.

C

But the worst-case scenario is that all the mentors all have the same top choice, and so in that scenario I think there's you know I guess a naive approach, which is you just randomize the list of mentors and then each one you like kind of flip, a coin to see like what they get more or less or some other random selection algorithm.

C

And then on the other side, you look at all the mentors and then you look at the mentee that they choose and then we try and I guess for each each contested mentee we decide who the best mentor is right and let's go down a list that way.

B

Do we have they already have a criteria to choose between those trees like that mate is to choose the the which one we will be aligned with the mentor? No.

C

I, don't think so.

A

Nobody I think we have to like.

A

Whenever we have this list, we want to make sure that it's diverse enough and there's different levels of experiences and like people coming from different backgrounds and it's representative of the diverse community that we have a node, so I think we have to consciously like play that part in choosing the mentor like in the overall picture of the mentees in the program.

A

We should like keep that in mind, so it's not gonna be completely random, like something.

C

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C

So that yeah, so if that's the case, then probably the the algorithm is to take all of the mentees that have been selected by mentors put them in a list. So now we're gonna have at most 30 mentees right. If all top threes are. Are you like? No.

D

C

At most 30 mentees those go in a list, and then we choose 10 that we met on. This may not work out, but let's roll with it for a second, we choose 10 mentees from that left from that list. That we think is representative of what we want on the program.

E

C

Then we iterate down that 10 mentee list like and then for each mentee on that list. We see okay, who are the eligible mentors, basically, which mentor has had that mentee on the list, and then we assign it and then move on down. I think there is a scenario where the math on this doesn't quite work because of overlap.

C

D

Think it can be a you know, we iterative what's the word uh I'm looking for it. I should know this on the program anyway, we can. We can go back through the list. What's it uh if there's one, that's left over digits that we can go back and yeah.

C

Because I think I think I think the trouble that we get into is of the 30s yeah, so so I think the trouble is, if like like, we choose ten mentees and those happen to be like nine of those ten have to be. It just happened to be from three of the mentors lists right.

D

So then we can go back to the original list, but I think with four hundred applied its we'd probably get most of those would not be over here. I think so. We'd probably just have to go back to the original list and find like one more or two more yeah.

C

Because the mentees weren't, like mentees, couldn't really apply to like all mentors right right.

D

And did we send the mentors the list in the same order? Okay, so they probably all started at the top. So there's a somewhat larger chance that they'll be some overlap. I did.

A

It I did remove everyone that did not agree on the terms of like code of conduct and I did filter that they did select this in the topic for each mentor. Okay,.

D

How many were there that did not accept that I'm.

A

Like I I, don't think there's any I think the field is required. I did the different thing. Okay, I was.

D

Like well, this is interesting. People would refuse that.

A

Yeah, maybe we should bring those to the meeting it.

B

Was probably by a mistake they did it say you.

A

Did not agree to the terms of conditions, no.

B

No I did I think those people who didn't agreed. It was by mistake because Bowie.

C

B

Who, in your conscious mind, would apply to a meter or meter ship program and what it check check the the agreement? You know and most likely it's most likely that most of the people did it read the the agreement but check it. They had the bot yeah.

A

I'm not sure I think the field is required in the first place. I cannot submit to help degree in Ghana, but I did create a Google like a document for a Google sheet for each mentor and she shared it with them. So there's different sheets for each mentor.

D

Well, how is that list ordered was that, in order that they applied like the earliest application, original yeah.

A

By application date like when they submitted the application, which is a good thing, I guess because we want to create eyes people who applied earlier, because we did promote mentorship and selection and firsts and yeah.

D

B

Do we check who is on it's like chain of true prioritize or not? We.

D

Just announced it first in the slack channel so that they would have time to apply before other people knew about that. Okay, so we're gonna, prep.

B

The gonna grab ties who submit me to the first right.

B

D

In that they were towards the top of the list that the mentors received I, don't know that we instructed the mentors to give them.

C

Subtle priority yeah.

A

I, don't think it makes sense to tell the mentors to prioritize which channel mentees applied from so just sorting it out, and this is something we can actually look at when we when we want to choose the mentees from the mentors list, we can make sure that at least some of the mentees are from the slack channel, but um I'm not sure about that as well. Maybe it's! It doesn't make sense to try to enforce that.

A

Yeah I think we will have to wait for the end of this week, and so it's gonna be next Thursday and.

A

Yeah we can site from what we get like.

B

Did you get? Did you give deadline it through matters Oh max Thursday, yet.

A

Some trainees I already got one curated list from Steven Bellinger he's mentoring about Diagnostics and Matteo was already starting to battle over the list, but he did not regret making it so.

D

There's probably no point at working in any of the list until we have them all right.

A

A

We don't have anything else for the agenda. We don't do like imagine those empty.

D

Out of curiosity, have we received like any correspondence or confirmation from all ten mentors to know for sure that they're all still engaged I.

A

Did some I did talk with everyone and not just something I like okay, you had received a response.

D

From Oliver yeah.

A

I did told them that we're gonna, close applications on June, 10th and I will send the list item. I did not check that everyone received the lists and actually been reach out to me and told me that he did not get the list so I think I sent it to his old email address or something, but I should double-check that everyone got it yeah.

D

Yeah, just if we did a like explosive response from everyone just to make sure we don't end up on the deadline, so might just not have any correspondence for more than mentors.

A

Yeah that makes sense. I will do that. Probably tomorrow during the week just.

B

To make sure I believe you have other mentors on this Lextran all right.

B

Because so I can because I always look at the channel and I see you updating and sometimes sometimes they are P date, something Rhea we didn't discuss it here yet so I believe all the matters good, the read the select channel. True you get the up to date and I, don't know true to be because I don't think it's any news that we are going to select the top three top three top to remit is, alas, the the mentors are not looking at a youtube or the trade. Oh right.

A

Yeah so so like I'm, not sure if aldermen, if all the mentors are on slack, most of them are, and we have a private channel fermenters, it's no js' underscore mentors and.

A

Yeah some of the mentors like I can see. Some of the mentors are not on this channel, like not. Everyone is active on the slack channel, but I do communicate with them over to Tarantino, so they're always up to date without cell, but we almost have to date with what's happening if they're, not on slack in.

D

The future we may want to require that they join the slack channel as we get more and more mentors so that you're not having to email. So many people separately now.

A

I think I'm gonna have to do that anyways because I do see, see the kumkum as well, so they can know what's happening and.

A

Not everyone is, we have an attendee Danny, not everyone is active on slack like we cannot like. We can expect them to have an account on the slack channel, but especially for the updates I. Don't think it makes sense to expect them to be available and treated. We think, as we some and during the cohorts, slack is not a requirement as well.

B

Okay, we'll have a guest welcome, dense forest welcome.

D

You're, muted, by the way, oh there you go. Thank.

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A

Yes, I guess: that's all.

D

Danny, did you have anything you wanted to bring up.

A

Yeah, that's a good question so, on the main, repo and no j / mentorship, we do list. What do we expect, and none of them are like hard like technical.

D

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Just that what we expect from the mentee that they're like on top of what we're doing and they're the ones that driving the mentorship like driving the mentor to help them with what they want to achieve, instead of the mentor like pushing things forward and things that we did not like officially say in the repo, but we didn't to look for and it's written in the application form as well, we're looking for people who are willing to contribute back to the community.

A

This is what we as a mentorship team, like look for when we want to filter the mentees, so I want people who are everything to like write blog post or share what they're doing during the mentorship. The main reason is that we have 10 mentors for this round, for example, and we have many more applied mentees, so this T. This gives like a wider impact for the mentorship program to the community, integral.

F

Okay, well that answer all of my questions.

A

Yeah also there's so this for this cohort. We went with giving the list of mentees to that to each mentor and the mentor filters based on their own preferences. So some winters preferred like people who don't have any experience with know like they want fresh freshly graduates or like newcomers to the know, the ecosystem and someone's like more experienced people.

A

So it depends on the mentor so there's like mentor filtering as well, because there's so many applications. So you we need to have some filters as well for centers. Do.

D

You think it might be a good idea to make that a hard requirement about the giving back to the community make sure that they have a plan in place, whether even if it's just recording a video and putting on their personal YouTube account, because that would at least filter out a lot of the choices which is one problem. We're still. Having is too large of a group of mentees per mentor.

B

If you are gonna use this criterias, like the give back community feeling, should we check the background of the mentees see if they have post on medium I, don't know to see how they are aligned with the purpose of the choose to give back to contribute to contribute to the community itself right.

D

In a I guess in an ideal world, I would like to prioritize the people who could reach the biggest audience, but I don't feel like that would be fair to the mentees.

G

D

I have a few to.

D

Wait yeah so like I, know, I, don't necessarily want to make it like a measuring thing. Yes,.

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D

Like are you willing to contribute.

B

A balance you could have a score of how big the the heart of the meaty I want you to give back and how popularity he has. So you could have a to measure. Dummy Jewish choose only one aspect: could you have both and by the way, the best trick make a balance.

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B

Sorry, baby Dale welcome.

D

Yeah, thank you so yeah. What do you? What do you think? What are your thoughts on that David I.

A

Just want to say that we in the form we do have an open text field. That says, like. Are you willing to contribute to back to the community like share your experience and mentorship? And if so, how do you think you're gonna go about that so I guess this gives a good measurement stick, because it also gives the opportunity for someone who already posted like on medium. They can say I hope you did like try to blog posts and I would I'm willing to do this on this right. I guess.

D

I'm, just thinking making it more concrete so that they know that it's required like making it like. Can you make something pop up when they say no like a valid message or something?

D

Is it something like note by checking no on this box, you're you're not going to be selected for the next round, like first because I don't see a problem later on, but for these first rounds, where we only have a few mentors, it seems like it's more of a big deal to focus on people who are going to give back once we get to a point or if we change the initiative in a way where we have.

D

You know hundreds of people being mentored at a time, then it's not a big deal, but we can only get ten out of four hundred I think we need to focus on outreach more.

A

Yeah I think so.

C

Yes, so how is it, how is it, how is it presented right now? It's a tree filled checkbox. Yes,.

D

It's not-it's not required it's just a question, let's just say: would you are you willing to give back and if so, how? How would you do that.

C

Is it I mean, is yeah but I mean? Isn't that? Isn't that easy enough to just automatically filter out the people who are clearly not like yeah.

F

C

Stick enough about it to if someone says like like sure or like right, you know maybe I guess I was just trying to make it easy enough to cut.

D

Them which I guess we could do by just putting into readme or something I just want them to be aware of the fact that they're not going to get there rather than just yeah. So I get.

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D

That, yes, they're, going to in the.

A

Description text, I wrote, sharing knowledge is the essence of the mentorship program. Sharing your experience and knowledge about mentorship will help anyone in the community and those who did not get the opportunity to get matched. This cohort resources may vary from videos blog post issues. I think it makes to like make it more explicit to say that this is like unimportant filtering criteria: okay,.

D

Yeah I like what you got so far.

D

A

Did write it together in the in one of the meetings yeah.

C

I mean it sounds like the the missing. The missing piece is just that the applicants don't know that it is filtering criteria ready.

D

But if it's in the readme- that's that's enough for me. I just want them to have some chance of knowing yeah to do our due diligence. You know or have plausible deniability one of those things.

A

Yeah when we insert the link on Twitter and on slack for the forum, I did write explicitly that we are looking for people who are willing to share their I.

D

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A

But that makes sense that they'd read me.

D

Sal, can you put that in the notes? Please? Yes,.

B

So it's gonna be to it, and the apartment is like China that we are looking for. We are gonna prioritize, main teas that are really to share the the the mentorship program as I sort of speak yeah.

G

Pam Adele did you have any questions.

H

Yeah, um so I was just wondering what medium it will be enhanced to the mentee when they are chosen. Is it email? Is it true to github page.

A

Yeah, that's a good question on the forum we have the github URL and the email I think it makes sense to do it by email first and they don't reply. We can try out their methods and the last the last cohort I did send emails and multiplied so I had to Google the name, because we did not have good and it happened later in the last good. So I had to Google the name, find their Twitter account and contact them on Twitter and they all replied.

H

On Twitter one more question: please: what is the main ticket much matched with a mentor and there's a little bit of time problem day? Is it possible for the mentee to request to be master, a mentor and more suitable time for him.

D

The mentors should choose I think the forum had each minty give their time availability, so the mentor should see that and be available during those times. If they've chosen that person.

A

Yeah I some to the mentors that there should be at least two to three hours overlap between their availabilities between the mentor and the mentee. Just so they can coordinate meetings and stuff, and this is the case I believe in like most online communication is that you have to assume. Most of it is a synchronous, so lots of the like communication between the mentor and the mentee by nature of like having it online is going to be sending an email and waiting for you cry or on or on slack or whatever, yeah.

D

We're not we're not retract, requiring the mentor and mentee to meet at a specific time we're just trying to get a rough guideline of what your time availabilities are, but if it, if you and your mentor need to work together to find a time outside of what you originally said in it, you can find an hour here and there that works for each of you for the meetings, the lab meetings, then that would be font so I, don't think it'll be a lotion.

A

A

Yeah I think the mentors should like they will choose based on the time that gets one of the first things, they're gonna, filter on and as Matteo suggested, like I said AJ is. It would be also a good idea to show the mentees that are applying what which, like, what's the waiting time for each mentor. This way, they can also choose a different matter if they don't have, because at the moment it's not really fair because they might choose three experimenting, but none of them have like.

D

Right, so that's very important, so Stella can you actually put that in the notes to to make sure mentor with that we provide mentor availability on the forum.

B

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G

Report, yes, thank you I'm Adele did. Do you have any more questions.

H

No I'm a drink, that's fine! Okay!.

D

Well, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Dan and all our usual people. Thank.

F

You guys thanks.

A

I'm psychic, that's it if no one has anything else.

C

B

Right here they are github Bay, our github boot. In our meter mentorship note please so.

D

The chat person sorry.

A

Now, you repeat, your.

D

Question, can you put your github handle in the chat, so we can mark you as present for the meeting all right.

B

D

All right, that's it yep.

A

So if you're available next week to check the slack channel or anytime after that, just to filter the balloons. Oh sorry.

D

Add one more point: I thought of during one of his first questions when we pick when we finished choosing everyone, whether we email them or, however, we get in contact with the people who were chosen. We should also reiterate to the people who were not chosen that the round has been showed like we've chosen. All our mentees and the ground was closed for yeah, twenties, yeah.

A

B

So we should put this note: send an email to everyone that was not chosen in deeds in this round. Correct yeah.

A

Yes, please, because we always forget that.

B

So can I just confirm the top notes, this audience meeting. Please meters must select through the top three main tea. Isn't you John trainee next cohort ask the mentors to join this lecture now. Check mate is for popularity and give it back and they're willing to give back to community.

D

Well, he would say what Salah had said was. We could could use that like we do with the other things like get a good mixture, we could pick one person if there's somebody who has a huge audience. We can do that for anybody else. Sorry.

B

Sometime I, don't get the jokes I take.

E

It seriously sorry.

B

So continuing to eat any farmers like Janet that the program will prioritize meat is that are willing to share the experience for the next cohort, put meters times on availability and send any major people. That was not true on this grounds.

B

I think that's all am I missing any note. I.

A

Believe, that's all what I just remembered another thing as well. So after the after the cohort after we finished like choosing the list of mentees I, will contact Rachel and yesterday in the kumkum meeting. She mentioned that it's a good idea to write a blog post about the many mentors and mentees for this cohort after the matching is done so I guess this is a good okay.

B

So it will be contact, Rachel sure, they're, welcome, meeting, correct yeah.

D

Okay, so that's all and yeah. That brings up a good point that it's actually not even necessary that people have their own following if they're just willing to write a blog post, we can share it under the note account so yeah.

A

This is what we did in the last cohort. We did share it on Twitter and one of the blog posts was actually hosted on the node foundation right.

D

So maybe, since we'll be making a hard requirement now, we can give some examples of what we're looking for. So people don't get deterred like. Would you be willing to share, for example, a blog post or a video, or something like that? Instead of just, are you willing to give back and like I.

B

Don't know, maybe whatever you want me to do so: oh this is cool. I got it. It's amazing, I think people that are it will be. It could be a a criteria. I, don't know it could be a check point to see all this, those guys already, the the mentorship did it even get. We did it even get started and the people are just exciting. So we can see who's victim is.

B

Should I take note of this true. Yes,.

D

A

You know I agree. We should make it more explicit about the criteria, also on the last block cost about mentorship I shared it on slack channel.

A

We I did add the examples about what the last mentees shared in the last cohort result.

D

A

Yeah, but we should make it more explicit as well like we do actually have. Let me show it on the charts we do have this and the mentorship repo. We have a file and mean the main code. We have a journal markdown file, so this is where we like and the perfect world. This is where we keep track of everything for each cohort.

A

So maybe it's a good idea to also add what the mentees shirt we do share that I read the mentorship diary there, but not anything else. Yeah.

D

I think that's a good idea. So what can you capture that as well, please record what the mentees shared during the cohort in.

B

The journal- okay, so I should put this note in the in the journal right, but in the notes that yes, okay, they're, not right, okay, I, just don't see where I could fit this in the the journal file. No.

D

No we're just saying when okay well Sharon Lee position the journal file mm-hmm.

E

D

Just note that we are going to put links in the journal file when mentees share things.

D

G

Too many notes: okay, outwards.

B

Jesse was a google translator to correct the the notes, but I think that's so update the journal, the links that they mean to share it. Yes,.

D

Or a diagrammatic.

B

Of that that's perfect thing for patients.

A

Thank you so I guess hello.

A

So we did we're almost running out of time so I, but we did so solos currently creating the meeting issue on github and he's also taking me take minutes. I think it makes sense if Sabu becomes a member in the I was.

D

Going to say the same thing actually.

C

D

Is consent welcome to the team, so thank.

B

You thank you guys, we'll.

D

Get so if you want to put a note in the meeting notes: okay,.

B

A

I want to thank you so much sallow for the time we put in for the mentorship helpful Michael all these tiny stuff they make or break the program, and this.

B

Is so helpful for me is I like so much because it helps me very much buta, my own confidence being notes and anguish and all.

E

B

You know so thank you so much I've. That's it.

A

Thank you, alright. So I guess that's all for this meeting. Thanks.

C

Everyone thank you.

A

B

You guys bye, Google weekends for everyone. Bye, bye,.