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From YouTube: IoT Panel - Cate Lawerence, ReadWrite; Pawel Szymczykowski, Wedgies; Matteo Collina, nearForm
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IoT Panel - Cate Lawerence, ReadWrite; Pawel Szymczykowski, Wedgies; Matteo Collina, nearForm
A
We'll
be
getting
started
shortly,
but
the
good
news
everyone
is.
This
is
the
last
session
of
the
day.
So
we
want
you
to
relax
a
bit,
feel
free
to
take
your
shoes
off.
Put
your
bag
down
chill
out
a
bit.
It's
good
you're
amongst
friends.
Here
we're
not
going
to
be
overly
formal,
and
you
know,
or
fisher's
just
chill
out
a
bit.
But
if.
C
C
D
F
F
A
Do
like
connected
softs
there's,
actually
a
couple
of
different
ones
at
the
moment
that
are
doing
the
rounds.
There's
one
that
measures
something
to
do
with
diabetes.
I
think
its
circulation
and
there's
also
one
that
is
in
very
simple
terms,
gives
you
directions.
So
it's
got
a
sensor
in
it
which
obviously
you
remove
when
you
wash
them
but
yeah.
If
you're
walking
around
the
city
in
your
a
bit
lost,
it
can
tell
you
to
go
left
or
right
if
you've
put
into
your
little
app,
which
way
you're
going
yeah.
F
B
A
C
F
A
A
Probably
gathered
that
we're
here
to
talk
about
nodejs
and
and
I
OG
internet
of
things,
my
name
is
kate
and
I'm
going
to
be
your
lovely
paddle,
compare
or
cheer
or
whatever
term
you
like
to
use
bit
about
me.
I
work
at
read
right,
which
is
a
freelance
as
a
freelancer.
Basically,
my
job
is,
and
as
technical
journalist
and
I
write
about
wearables
and
connected
devices
every
day,
and
probably
the
one
I
write
about
least
is
cars
because
its
hotly
contested
and
there's
a
couple
of
staff
members
that
love
cars.
A
You
know
I
have
a
lot
of
other
interests
and
just
it's
just
sort
of
wet
your
appetite
a
bit
about
when
we
talk
about
ihe.
From
my
perspective,
I
had
a
little
think
today
about
what
I've
been
working
on
and
I
came
up
with
five
different
articles
and
we're
running
about
at
the
moment.
There's,
let's
see
I,
do
my
monthly
hits
and
misses
the
best
and
worst
of
IOT
of
the
month.
Bits
are
actually
harder
to
find
on
the
missus
bone.
A
Conduction
in
wearables
seems
to
have
a
bit
of
an
arow
nascence,
coming
back
to
some
connected
devices
and
smart
cities,
and
I'm
featuring
amsterdam,
since
I'm
here
good
chance
to
chat
people
I'm.
Also
looking
at
a
woman
in
Philadelphia
who
is
suing
the
makeup
of
her
collected
dildo
because
she
believed
they
were
getting
information
from
her
that
she
did
not
wish
to
share.
So
as
a
few
issues
there
so
I
think
one
of
the
wonderful
things
about
IOT.
A
If
you
have
any
interest
in
technology,
there's
always
an
entry
point
and
there's
always
something
that
will
wet
your
interest,
always
something
to
be
kind
of
excited
or
intrigued
about.
That's
what
I
really
like
about
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
our
panel
to
everybody,
but
start
this
way.
Rachel
john,
a
photographer.
C
Yourself,
my
name
is
Rachel
light.
I
am
a
tech
evangelist
at
Microsoft.
Previously,
I
was
a
software
engineer
at
IBM,
Watson
and
Adobe
behance
I've
been
involved
with
no
bots
since
James
comp
2014,
when
I
saw
cast,
give
a
really
great
presentation
and
then
I
went
home
and
have
been
making
stuff.
Since
then,
I
also
do
video
game
stuff
and
mostly
a
lot
of
things
involving
cats,
very
cool.
D
That's
a
so
I
am
at
the
ko
olina
I
started
getting
interested
in
the
internet
of
things
and
not
jes.
At
this
exact
same
time,
that
was
2011,
not
a.
We
have
no
jeje
aspiration,
developed
for
and
I
started,
using
kno
jes
and
for
Internet
of
Things
project
for
my
PhD
thesis
so
I,
that's
what
I
did.
I
started
doing,
though,
that
I
UT
des
it
at
the
same
time
both
of
these
are
kind
of
my
passion
and
now
work
for
a
company
called
in
our
firm.
D
Yes,
I
am
also
add
the
maintainer
of
the
npt
djs
library.
This
is
a
nice
library
that
allows
you
to
use
this
MQTT.
It's
a
it's
a
protocol
for
publish-subscribe
for
the
Internet
of
Things.
It's
very
lightweight.
It
use
just
two
bits:
two
bites
off
overhead
and
it's
being
provided
broker.
It's
a
publicist
subscribe
thing
and
brokers
are
available
from
idea
from
IBM
as
one
AWS
office,
one
as
you
offers
one.
E
D
G
A
web
developer
from
Las
Vegas,
Nevada
I
work
for
a
small
start-up,
doing
online
polling
called
wedgies
and
I
do
a
lot
of
hardware
and
robotics
like
as
as
a
hobby
for
fun
time
stuff,
weird
projects
like
space
balloons
and
delta,
robots
and
sumo
bots,
and
things
like
that.
I
actually
credit
javascript
robotics
for
getting
me
into
or
actually
I
got
into
into
nodejs.
Ever
since
I
guess
my
co-workers
all
went
to
jas
comp
2013
and
came
back
of
tales
of
node,
copters
and
and.
F
G
Bots
and
envision
tracking
rocket
launchers,
that
would
then
shoot
said,
node
copters
out
of
the
sky
and
then
after
hearing
that
seeing
some
of
the
reports
and
videos
and
tight
BOTS
and
stuff
like
that,
I
got
around
to
learning
a
lot
more
node
than
I
had
done
previously
and
and
planning
a
couple
of
international
node
BOTS
day.
Events
for
Vegas,
so
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
into.
A
Very
cool,
so
when
we
talk
about
IOT
I
mean
I,
guess
it's
such
a
diverse
topic,
there's
so
many
people
and
depending
on
where
you
sit
in
the
spectrum
on
what
you
work
on
I,
guess,
I'm
interested
in
what
people's
specific
experience
with
IOT
is
I
know
you've
mentioned,
for
example,
wearable,
clothing
and
robotics
as
well.
For
you
powerful.
Is
there
anything
else
you
wanted
to
add
about
that.
C
An
IOT,
node
robotics
project
was
actually
my
first
foray
into
like
node
or
hardware.
I
decided
that
I
was
going
to
make
an
automated
cat
feeder,
because
I
had
in
my
mind
that
all
of
these
steps
to
get
it
connected
sound
easy,
despite
the
fact
that
I'd
never
done
hardware
I'd
never
done
node
and
I
I
wanted
to
I,
just
like
written,
mostly
vanilla,
JavaScript.
So
what
I
did
was
I
used
a
particle
photon,
which
is
a
Wi-Fi,
nemo,
microcontroller
and
I
drew
on
a
piece
of
paper.
C
This
is
what
I'm
going
to
push
a
button,
and
then
it's
gonna
make
a
servo
turn
and
it's
gonna
dispensed
food
from
this
thing
and
I
was
like
that's
it.
That
sounds
easy.
Let's,
let's
just
do
it
and
then
like
lots
of
yelling
and
crying
later,
I,
finally
got
it
working
and
while
I
love
IOT,
it
is
the
most
pain
in
the
ass
thing
to
troubleshoot.
When
you
are
demoing
live,
so
you.
C
A
I
think
you're
spot
on
I
think
the
frustration
of
actually
getting
things
to
work
is
definitely
inherent
in
IOT.
I
know
I
watch
someone
trying
to
make
am
pertaining
two
cats
and
a
door
opener
in
clothes
are
using
a
sensor
so
that
their
cat
could
go
in
and
out
of
the
door
in
the
living
room
whenever
they
wanted
to.
Instead
of
having
to
be
opening
quiet
and
it
just
kept
bugging
and
not
working,
was
it
letting
dogs
and
understand
he's
really.
F
A
G
B
A
Yeah
very
true,
yeah
dogs
is
a
big
one
too,
and
I
guess
when
we
talk
about
like
the
pet
food
is
a
really
good
example.
There
was
a
pet
feeder
recently
in
the
u.s.
that
had
a
problem.
It
was
the
cats
and
dogs
this
one
of
forgot,
the
name,
but
it
was
like
a
warning
for
what
goes
wrong
with
IOT,
because
what
actually
happened
was
that
it's
there
was
a
malfunction
with
the
servers
and
the
company
sent
around
a
Twitter
message
to
everyone.
A
C
A
deterrent
that
I
have
yeah
I,
don't
think
that's
a
problem
as
much
as
it
is
a
copyright
protection
problem,
because
there's
no
reason
that
if
I
set
a
schedule
for
this
IOT
device
that
it
can't
you
know,
know
this
cycle
that
I'm
feeding
it,
but
they
made
it
so
that
they're
like
copyright
protection
with
their
device.
It
only
works.
If
you
are
connected
to
the
Internet
and
that's
right
that
me
is
like
you
know,
I
can't
think
of
the
right
word.
It's
like
a
key
yeah.
C
A
C
F
D
Key
problem
in
designing
IOT
applications,
most
of
the
time
is
shift
your
your
thinking
and
you
need
to
think
as
a
flying.
First
really
heavily
like
if
you're
building
an
annuity
Internet
of
Things
device,
you
need
to
think
that
that
device
cannot
have
connectivity
all
the
time
because
it
won't
and
the
problem
that
that
causes
it's
very
very
it's.
This
is
hard
because
it's
one
of
the
so
it's
a
first
thing
is
mental.
We
need
to
start
thinking
your
problem
in
a
different
the
solution
to
your
problems
in
a
different
way.
D
G
G
It's
such
a
new
kind
of
discipline
or
a
new
type
of
technology.
The
people
just
aren't
used
to
making
those
types
of
considerations,
especially
with
a
lot
of
these
prod
coming
out
of
things
like
Kickstarter,
which
are
first
time
people
to
hardware.
First
time
you
have
consumer
products,
things
that
come
out
of
companies,
I
mean
even
those
things
that
come
out
of
companies
are
established
in
the
space
like
a
samsung
or
Phillips,
or
something
they
still
probably
have.
G
B
Prong
issue
like
so
so
with
you
with
the
Kickstarter's
you
get
like
people
who
were
in
over
their
head
and
they
like
make
it
out
of
promises
and
then,
like
two
years
later,
like
they
don't
have
everything
they
promised.
And
then
you
have
these
huge
companies
that
are
so
used
to
everything
being
closed
source,
especially
with
hardware
like
open
source
hardware,
is
so
much
younger
than
open
source
software
like
open
source
software,
is
pretty
easy
to
tell
businesses
like
yes.
B
B
G
A
Yeah
I
think
the
other
thing
they
really
stood
a
lot
of
the
hardware
companies
I
talked
to
really
struggle
with,
particularly
those
in
the
earlier
days.
It's
just
scale,
you
know,
I
can
do
a
nice
little
prototype
and
maybe
make
100
when
you
need
to
make
a
thousand
or
ten
thousand
trying
to
find
a
factory,
big
enough,
etc,
etc.
Getting
the
parts
building
the
mall,
it's
all
that
stuff
FCC.
A
Middle
for
a
lot
kickstarter
projects
and
then,
if
you're,
going
into
the
health
wearables,
then
of
course
you've
got
all
your
FDA
issues
for
both
the
app
and
the
actual
apply
unwearable
or
the
appliance
that
you're
using.
So
it's
really
difficult
and
from
a
journalist
perspective,
we
rarely
cover
all
we've
really
stopped.
Most
of
us
have
stopped
covering
a
lot
of
the
Kickstarter
campaigns,
because
just
so
many
of
them
don't
go
to
market,
it's
just
like
setting
people
up
to
fail.
Almost
you
know,
I.
C
Think
that
the
fact
that
there
is
smaller
not
there
is
there
are
so
many
more
people
getting
involved
in
open
source
hardware
is
because
of
a
lack
of
trust
with
the
companies
that
are
making
all
those
things
like
I
love
it.
Whenever
I
see
the
project's
about
people
making
their
own
smart
home
stuff,
where.
C
And
the
protocols
to
like
when
they
come
home,
have
their
blinds
open
or
do
this
other
stuff,
and
it's
always
the
people
that
are
trying
those
things
and
pushing
it
further
themselves
that
I
think
are
furthering
it
for
everyone
else
and
I
think
that's
all
I
think!
That's
why
I
like
it
so
much!
It's
super
cyberpunk
and
I'm
like
yeah.
Well,.
B
F
C
B
F
B
F
H
B
C
D
A
Yeah
it's
it's
funny.
You
say
that,
because
the
health
area
is
the
one
area
where
I've
seen
a
lot
of
people
that
are
become
programmers
or
become
hardware
involved
in
hardware
and
start
their
own
smaller
companies,
because
they
have
their
own
problem,
they
want
to
solve
whether
it's
their
own
health
condition
or
a
disability
or
a
family
member.
A
Or
what
have
you
and
it's
the
one
area
where
people
are
actually
making
something
where
they're
thinking
about
the
practicalities
of
applying
it,
like
a
really
basic
example,
would
be
making
a
phone
for
a
blind
person
or
visually
impaired
person.
You
might
go
well,
there's
an
app
for
that.
I
can
just
use
that.
But
how
do
you
get
started
when
you're
blind
you've
got
to
get
started
from
scratch
from
opening
the
the
phone
from
the
box?
You
know
really
basic
stuff
like
that.
A.
B
B
F
B
They
have
diabetes
and
there
they've
figured
out
the
communications
protocol
from
their
blood
sugar,
monitor
their
insulin
pump
and
they
pack,
together
with
a
raspberry
pi,
a
way
for
the
two
to
communicate.
So
they
can
like
regulate
their
blood
sugar
with
this
computer,
because
devices
like
that
aren't
going
to
get
through
the
FDA
for
another.
Four
now.
H
A
A
Know
it's
very
cool
and
if
you're
interested
in
that
side
of
things
I
mean
I
would
encourage
you
to
check
out
the
bio
hacking
conference.
So
it's
only
in
them
then
oh
is
it,
but
no,
no!
It
sounds
sorry,
just
mental
blank
in
Scandinavia
every
year
in
November
I'll
be
going
along
this
year.
I
made
my
way
home
to
Australia.
So
I
may
come
home
with
a
little
lemon
addition
to
one
of
my
hands
or
something
don't.
C
A
B
A
C
A
A
general
question
for
people
that
are
here
and
it's
only
a
hand
raising
one,
so
you
don't
have
to
do
anything.
Don't
worry
it's
not
one
of
those
ones.
Does
anyone
have
any
connected
devices
in
their
home
again?
What
still
not
many
you
know
late,
and
this
is
the
the
thing
I
see.
I
mean
I
talked
to
some
people
in
the
States,
because
you
know
they're
in
Silicon
Valley
and
you
know.
Oh,
yes,
I've
got
200
of
them
in
my
home,
yet.
F
A
B
B
F
D
E
H
H
Network
protocols
like
if
you
remember,
like
ipx,
Atlanta,
stick
and
all
those
right
and
in
the
end
in
the
end,
the
internet
proved
one
thing
and
that's
the
fact
that
open
standards
will
eventually
triumph
I.
Suppose
now
we
are
faced
with
with
with
sort
of
us
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
the
second
coming,
but
that's
basic.
C
F
H
Basically,
another
internet-
that's
popping
up
out
there
and
how
much?
How
much
can
we
sell
perspective
that
that
the
advent
of
the
Internet
itself
has
offered
to
companies
who
are
tempted
to
basically
closed
down
the
protocols
for
their
own
short-sighted
ends?
You
know:
are
we
are
we
any
better
off
having
the
perspective
of
the
history
of
the
internet
in
terms
of
starting
out
with
open
standards,
because
I
know
there
are
standards,
bodies
that
cover
IOT
right.
H
Right
but,
but
still
you
guys,
you
guys
have
a
better
perspective
on
IOT
as
a
as
a
fledgling
industry,
and
so
what
is
what
is?
What
is
your
sense
of
what
you're
seeing
out
there?
Are
our
companies
still
shortsighted,
despite
this
excellent
historical
example,
or
are
we
actually
heading
on
the
right
path
sooner
because
of
the
precedence.
D
C
Think
that
there's
so
many
conversations
that
need
to
take
place
in
regards
to
like
regulations
or
non
regulation
of
IOT,
because
you're
dealing
with
you
know,
people
that
are
having
it.
So
you
can
have
things
connected
in
your
home,
but
companies
may
not
be
having
the
right
security
protocols
and
so
it's
easily
hackable.
For
you
know
anybody
to
come
in
I
mean
all
they're
gonna
do
is
turn
your
lights
on
and
off,
but
you
don't
want
that
and
then
it's
the
same
conversation
as
like
net
neutrality.
C
F
A
Organs
of
your
body,
Tesla
misremembering
with
that
particularly
the
health
devices,
rumor
and
speculation,
does
a
lot
I
mean
I.
Read
an
article
last
week
published
article
on
the
robotic
heart,
that's
been
created
in
France
comet
by
comet,
and
even
at
that
time
like
the
hardest,
yet
is
not
been
hacked
because
it's
new
I
mean
to
preface
it
when
I
say,
robotic
heart,
it's
been
tested
by
four
people
and
nearly
the
actual.
What
they
deem
a
success
is
someone
who's
lived
more
than
30
days
with
it.
So
these
are
end-stage
people.
A
It's
not
like
people
that
have
you
know
walking
around
for
five
years,
but,
conversely,
there's
been
even
people
like
one
of
the
dick
traini
one
of
the
vice
president's
america.
I
think
he
had
one
of
his.
He
had
one
of
his
connected
pacemaker
devices
decommissioned
because
he
was
worried.
People
would
hack
it
so
getting
these
people
in.
H
F
F
B
F
D
D
Off
of
the
field,
a
lot
of
companies
that
I've
talked
to
in
the
harbor
space
trying
to
build
new
devices,
as
have
some
naivety
regarding
authorization,
security
like
I,
was
talking
with
with
simply
some
people,
oh
well,
you
must
have
over
the
years
over
the
air
software
upgrades.
This
is
one
of
the
key
features.
If
we
buying
an
IOT
product,
it
needs
to
have
over
the
air.
So
after
updates,
there
is
one
reason
for
this
and
you,
if
you
are
no
developer
doing
some,
you
know
how
many
openssl
fixes
you
get
every
month.
D
Okay,
so
that's
the
security
that
keeps
you
safe,
so
you
need
to
basically,
if
you're,
patching,
you're
nudging.
Yes,
once
a
month,
because
on
often
I
openssl
fixes
it's
probably
the
same
thing
for
your
device
now.
Is
it
updating
itself?
It's
not
updating
itself.
How
do
how
do
I
know
that
when
I
buy
a
device,
it
is
part
of
some
sort
of
revenge
that
all
of
these
is
like?
Oh
no,
I'm,
just
glad
when
you
plug
it
in
you,
updated
it,
and
it's
crazy
like
it's
something
that
I.
D
D
D
F
B
B
If
you
played
pokemon
go
when
it
came
out,
oh
yes
and
you
logged
in
with
google.
If
you're
keen
on
the
OAuth
specification,
you
may
have
noticed
the
authorization
screen
saying
I'd
like
to
allow
this
app
to
use.
My
google
account
didn't
show
up.
They
skipped
it
for
you.
So
conveniently
for
the
record,
please
never
do
that
if
you're
pointing
a
lot,
it's
a
really
bad
idea,
but
yeah,
it's
oh,
oh
off
and
our
understanding
of
OAuth
from
an
internet
perspective
much
less
than
you've.
B
D
D
D
Great
now
so
at
some
point,
I
worked
I
worked
on
a
project
when
it
was
in
academia,
and
we
would
like
to
build
this
connector
thing
using
bluetooth.
The
way
we
made
the
Bluetooth
chip
doing
what
we
needed
to.
We
basically
sit
down
there
with
a
very
good
oscilloscope
and
look
at
what
comments
were
being
sent
over
the
wires
and
replayed
those
like
that
was
how
we
do
our
stuff,
because
we
couldn't
manage
to
write
the
commander
sauce,
implement.
D
E
B
A
B
C
C
D
D
E
D
A
A
do
that
iud,
yeah,
okay,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
challenges
so
far,
and
maybe
one
that
we've
not
alluded
to
that
much.
It's
the
challenge
of
really
running,
updates
and
keeping
things
connected
when,
when
we
think
about
IOT,
it's
gotta
run
automatically
securely
and
without
interruption
and
I'll.
Give
that
a
company
told
me
about
that.
I
was
working
on
our
story
with
a
company
in
Montreal
and
they
created
sensor
technology
for
fridges
and
freezers
in
hospitals.
So
basically
it
was
where
you
keep
the
longer
organs.
A
You
keep
the
vaccinations,
you
keep
the
blood
and
so
on.
The
reason
they
did
this
was
that,
prior
to
their
creation,
if
you
like,
the
hospitals
in
Canada
had
been
literally
having
someone
go
around
to
every
fridge
three
times
a
day
and
check
the
temperatures,
so
it
was
to
check
the
temperatures
and
they
had
obviously
an
alert
so
that
if
the
temperatures
were
not
correct,
someone
could
go
and
fix
it.
In
very
plain
plain,
English
and
I
said
to
them.
Well,
okay,
so
you've
got
a
server
to
do
all
this
stuff.
A
Has
it
ever
gone
down
and
I
said
I'll,
yes
once
and
then
we
had
to
change
and
find
someone
else,
so
it
made
me
pretty
nervous
when
I
was
talking
to
them
as
a
small
company
that
they
wanted
me
to
promote
knows
like
that's
tricky,
so
you
know
how
do
how
do
you
think
people
can?
You
know
manage
to
these
kinds
of
challenges.
C
Make
sure
you're
using
the
right
note
version
and
you
don't
have
to
rely
on
nvm
to
change
between
different
versions
to
get
different
types
of
propriety,
proprietary,
CLI
software,
for
the
different
interfaces
that
you
need
for
the
different
microcontrollers,
not
naming
any
names.
I
have
to
switch
between
a
bunch
of
different
versions
to
get
different
things
working
and
it's
a
pain
yeah.
It's
it's
hard,
yeah.
F
F
F
B
I
think
for
collecting
data
and
using
data
IOT
is
pretty
secure
and
pretty
good.
It's
when
you
allow
an
IOT
device
to
take
an
autonomous
action.
That's
where
a
lot
of
people
get
concerned.
So
like
the
idea
of
fridges
being
able
to
like
report
what
temperature
they
are
like,
that's
fine
like
even
if
they
do
hack,
that
all
they
have
is
that
data
yeah.
A
H
B
As
you're
careful
about
what
data
you
collect,
like,
that's,
that's
fairly
reasonable
and
a
consumers
face,
but
it's
when
you
allow
an
IOT
device
to
make
it
a
lot
of
this
action.
That's
when
things
get
tricky
and
any
moral
and
ethical
gray
area
and
a
very
big
security
gray
area
like
it's.
It's
yeah
are.
D
This
is
actually
a
very
nice,
a
very
nice
point,
because
I
think
that
one
of
the
artists
challenge
in
the
embedded
software
development
community-
it's
the
development
stack
and
it's
basically
stuck
in
the
80s,
not
even
itÃs,
like
the
80s,
so
all
the
star
all
the
way
we
do
softer
now
with
agile
short
development
cycles,
unit
testing
I'll.
Do
you
unit
test
and
mad
I,
usually
tested
by
the
software
I
have
a
friend
of
mine.
His
job
is
to
build
a
machine
that
you
stick
the
chip
in.
We
do.
D
H
D
The
development
stuff-
it's
not
there,
so
this
is
where
something
like
JavaScript
and
no
Jes
and
even
other
languages
at
the
Platinum
like
rust
or
whatever,
like
there
is
space
for
a
disruption
in
in
that
field.
So
I'm
really
I'm,
really
thrilled
by
what
this
community
is
doing
and
what
the
other
communities
are
doing,
the
open
era
community
are.
D
We
are
pushing
forward
new
development
environment
for
the
Internet
of
Things
for
building
things
in
a
very
short
time
span,
because
we
can
like
spend
six
months
to
build
a
new
version
of
the
software
of
a
thing
like
we
need
to
be
able
to
squeeze
it
quickly
like
and
do
a
software
update
over
the
air
like
I'm,
stressing
this,
because
we
that
was
a
dns
problem
at
the
NSA
jacking
thingy.
You
know,
there's
nice
DNS
attacks
and
a
lot
of
things
in
the
in
the
dot
of
chips.
G
B
B
But
like
just
getting
users
to
install
that
it
is
like,
like
you,
lose
a
huge
amount
of
trust
like
if
you
ask
a
user
software
update,
that's
something
they
deal
with
every
day,
and
so
they
don't
lose
trust
in
you
but
like.
If
you
tell
them
look,
we
need
to
take
your
device
back
and
send
you
a
new
one,
it's
much
more
inconvenient
to
them,
because
they
hate
have
to
ship
something.
That's
physically
ship,
a
thing
wait
for
it
to
come
back
and
then
they're
like
wait
a
minute.
F
B
Like
the
brakes
were
internet
cable,
which
I
didn't
think,
that's
a
sentence
I
uttering
because
it's
just
such
a
terrifying
thought
and
so
then
like
it
was
in
the
hardware
like
they
couldn't
just
over
the
air
patch,
the
software
to
not
allow
the
brakes
to
be
accessible
anymore.
And
it's
it's
like
yeah,
so
that
it's
tricky
with
hardware,
because
you
can't
over-the-air
update
your
hardware.
You.
F
G
A
G
F
G
H
D
F
C
F
D
A
Even
before
you
get
into
things
like,
we
were
just
alluding
to
earlier
the
number
of
connected
devices
people
will
own
in
their
homes
and
workplaces.
You
know
most
people
are,
unfortunately,
are
going
to
use
the
same
email
address
and
it's
probably
the
same
password
for
everything
landline.
You
know
I,
think
of
using
a
password
storage
manager,
yeah.
B
You
know,
oh
I,
think
I.
Think
most
of
the
security
issues
is
well
harking
back
to
like
part
away.
The
DIY
robotics
movement
is
so
important
because
it
brings
so
many
perspectives
to
the
table
that
may
not
be
considered
by
larger
companies.
For
instance,
I
would
never
want
my
car
doors
to
unlock
the
second
I
get
near
my
car,
because
what?
If
someone
follows
me
to
my
car
yeah.
F
B
B
E
F
B
When
we
bring
more
people
into
the
table
with
the
DI
you
I
movement,
we
bring
more
problems
to
light
and
more
possible
solutions.
At
the
same
time,
it's
it's
interesting.
The
way
you
learn
to
think
about
problems
when
all
of
a
sudden
it
isn't
you
know
just
you
it's
you
build
something
in
someone's
like.
H
A
Funny
I
mean
the
probably
the
only
really
exciting
kind
of
car
story:
I've
done
because,
as
I
said,
I
don't
do.
A
lot
of
cars
was
with
a
designer
who's
done
lots
of
designs
for
Google,
a
bunch
of
other
people
who
was
creating
a
car
for
people
with
paralysis
from
the
neck
down
with
the
notion
that
eventually
the
car
would
be
able
to
very,
very
slowly
and
gradually
take
over
a
lot
of
them
would
be
able
to
be.
A
You
know,
firstly,
an
autonomous
car,
but
then
through
movement
and
brain
computer
interface
he
would
the
driver
he
or
she
would
be
able
to
take
over
some
of
those
folks.
It
might
start
with
changing
the
radio
station
and
very
gradually
move
on
to
other
other.
You
know
things
you're,
doing
a
car
really
exciting,
stuff
and
very
thoughtful
and
about
you
know
saying
people
want
to
just
not
be
just
passengers.
People
want
to
be
active
participants
in
the
driving
experience
if
they
are
like
driving
or
whatever
I
know.
We've
got
just
a
few
minutes
left.
A
So
did
anyone
have
any
questions
they
wanted
to
ask
or
comments?
So
something
and
please
feel
free
to
hang
around
with
us
so
afterwards
and
joining
some
conversations
or
what
have
you
we'll
be
out
there
somewhere
as
foes?
She
mean
there's
something
or
next
something,
and
has
anyone
got
anything
they're
working
on
or
anything
coming
up
that
they'd
like
to
promote
to
the
audience.
Please
feel.
F
B
F
B
B
H
B
F
G
A
D
Tab
and
then
p.m.
and
a
nice
way
to
get
started
and
be
part
of
this
movement.
Movement
is
just
to
hang
around
talk
with
people.
Ask
them:
oh
can
I,
do
something.
Can
I
help
this
project,
this
project
really
nice?
We
need
more
help
because
a
lot
of
the
most
of
us
worst,
the
most
of
the
work
that
all
of
us
did.
We
do
it
on.
We
started
doing
it
in
our
spare
time.
We
started
all
of
us
doing
this
way.
We
know
none
of
us
is
part
of
our
job
most
of
the
time.
F
D
A
Need
new
ideas
unless
I
say
to
people
thinking
of
oh
yeah
I
could
help
out
I'm,
not
sure
right,
you
don't
know
what
you
could
do
to
give
it
a
try,
yeah
a
lot
of
community
of
people
that
can
help
you
I
often
notice
with
tech
stuff.
There's
often,
this
idea
that
you've
got
to
be
a
certain
type
of
person
will
have
a
certain
level
of
skill
to
help
out.
It's
not
true.
There
are
people
that
were
there
to
support
you
and
resource
you
and
they
will
get
you
started
and
guide.
B
E
C
G
A
So
look
thanks.
Everyone
for
coming
along
and
sticking
with
us.
We
know
it's
been
a
long
day
and
you're
probably
dying
to
get
a
drink
or
something.
So
we
understand
these
dilemmas,
but
thank
you
and
yeah
I
feel
free
to
catch
up
with
any
any
of
us
and
if
I
can
just
self-promote,
given
my
role
here,
if
anyone's
got
something
sort
of
newsworthy
about
IOT
that
they
think
Oh
Kate
could
write
about
that.
A
Get
it
published
just
come
and
see
me
anytime,
I'll,
be
you
tomorrow
as
well,
and
we'll
have
a
chat
and
see
what
we
can
work
on
together.
That's
how
I
like
getting
stories.
I
learned
from
you
guys,
you
guys
are
my
inspiration.
You
know
that's
how
I
get
good
stories.
It's
not
just
PR
people
pitching
at
me
all
the
time
what
it
is,
but
I'm
prefer
here
talking
to
normal
people.
Yeah
thanks
guys.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.