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A
Welcome
to
the
node.js
package
maintenance
team
meeting
for
march
9
2021..
We
will
follow
the
agenda
that
we
had
in
the
repo
which
was
number
452
and
we'll
start
out
with.
Does
anybody
have
any
announcements
that
they'd
like
to
share.
A
If
not,
let's
move
on
then
the
first
issue,
which
is
tagged
for
the
agenda,
is
number
413,
so
it's
a
suggested
list
of
modules
to
get
help
to
get
support
info
into
I
don't
I
haven't
put
any
updates
into
that.
Just
might
be,
you
know,
renewing
the
call
if
people
can
think
about
doing
it
within
the
organizations
as
sort
of
a
first
step,
I'm
trying
to
think.
If
I
you
know,
I
think
the
I've
mentioned
the
you
know.
We
did
that
in
some
red
hat
modules
and
we're
promoting
that.
A
B
Yeah,
I
didn't
have
a
chance
yet
we'll
do
that.
C
I
did
actually
add
one
as
an
issue
just
before
the
meeting
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
called
kafka,
node
or
node
kafka.
Okay,
it
does
appear
to
have
been
ghosted
at
least
for
a
year
ago.
I've
put
in
a
an
issue
saying
is
this
repo
alive?
It
was
brought
to
my
intention.
Obviously,
kafka
is
widely
used.
It's
another
one
of
the
apache
foundation
projects.
I
think
it's
an
apache
one,
just
it's
not
huge.
A
Yup,
that's
slightly
different
topic,
but
I'll
add
that
to
the
agenda
to
because
I
do
want
to
talk
about
that
as
well,
because
it
is
interesting
to
me
as
well
as
as
for
what
you
said
so
so
in
terms
of
like
asking
people
to
add
the
package
support
info.
Is
there
anything
else
we
want
to
talk
about
this
week
or
I
think
we
might
have
covered
it.
D
Oh
one
thing
that
I
might
request
here:
let
me
actually
put
up
a
white
screen,
so
I'm
not
just
super
dark.
One
thing
that
I
might
request
here
is
that,
like
having
some
kind
of
documentation
around
like
why
this
is
good
would
be
useful
for
me,
at
least
in,
like
you
know,
if
I
wanted
to
go
to
like
a
product
team
in
in
microsoft,
that
has
that
maintains
javascript
libraries,
which
there's
many
many,
many
of
them
being
able
to
say
like
hey
here's,
this
thing,
that's
that's
useful
and
good.
A
A
And
it
I
think,
kind
of
links
back
through
the
different
pieces
that
we
have.
So
if
there's
any
chance,
you
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
say
yeah.
Okay,
that
covers
what
we
want,
but
not
in
the
right,
formatting
or
packaging
like
maybe
we
want
to
pull
something
into
something
more
concise,
yeah
or
but,
like
that's
our
previous
attempts
to
kind
of
say,
hey.
What
is
this?
Why
it's
important
as
well
as
what
we
have
in
the
specification?
A
A
B
A
Okay,
anything
else
on
that
thought
that
was
a
good.
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
one
then
suggest
ignoring
a
vulnerability
by
the
package
maintainer
that
one.
A
And
so
there's
this
collaboration
space,
oh
here
I'll
paste
it
into
the
so
the
collaboration
space.
I
think
this
sort
of
infrastructure
and
we
created
like
slack
channels
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
The
main
thing
I
think
is
now
to
actually
like
formally
kick
it
off.
I
know
darcy
was
gonna,
send
out
a
doodle.
We
were
gonna,
do
some
some
promotion,
but
I
probably
should
follow
up
with
rachel
and
darcy
just
to
see
if
they're
that's
under
the
under
like
underway,
because
it's
been
a
few
weeks.
A
A
A
Okay,
next
steps
on
support
levels
and
packets,
jason.
I
think
we
we
talked
about
one
of
them,
which
is
like
you
know,
trying
to
get
some
momentum.
A
I
did
talk
to
like
some
some
people,
we'd
suggest
we'd,
submitted
the
discussion
issue
in
the
npm
discussion
board
about
adding
the
information
the
package
support
information
into
what
they
displayed.
The
feedback
I
got
is
they've
got
quite
a
long
backlog.
They
are
potentially
looking
at
adding
some
more
metadata.
A
So
you
know
it
might
be
part
of
that
consideration
and
roy
certainly
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
understanding
is
kind
of
like,
but
we
might
consider
doing
it
as
part
of
that
no
promises,
but
that's
probably
you
know
four
months
six
months
out
versus
anything
else,
and
maybe
some
of
the
others
will
even
be
higher
priority,
but
at
least
it's
it's
there
and
roy.
I
guess
you
can
you
can.
Let
me
know
if
that's
accurate
or
not
yeah,
I'm
not
sure.
I
have
much
more
context
than
you
do
on
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you!
So
yeah
you
could
stand
up.
That's
that's
where
we're
at
and
like.
If
you
know
you're
you're
there
and
I
know
darcy's
there,
so
if
you
see
it
come
up
or
you're,
you
know
there
is
work
around
adding
other
metadata.
If
you
can
kind
of,
keep
it
in
mind
is
like
hey.
If
we're
doing
that,
maybe
we
can
just
add
these.
I
think
that's
kind
of
our
best
bet,
okay,
I'll,
have
to
add
those
notes
in
later.
A
I
don't
think
we
had
too
much
else
like
in
terms
of
things
specifically
things
we're
doing.
Just
to
you
know
you
know
just
working
on
getting
it
into
some
modules
and
then,
as
we
have
time,
you
know
we
can
work
on
adding
like
extra
commands
to
the
support
and
validate
and
stuff
like
that.
A
I
mean
that
might
help
explain
some
of
what
you're
you're
asking
about
tierney's
kind
of
what's
the
long-term
vision,
but
I
think
we
need
kind
of
some
data
to
be
out
there
before
it
makes
sense
to
have
a
tool
that
tries
to
use
the
data
too
much.
My
vision
is
like
at
some
point,
it'll
be
just
like
the
license:
checker
type
information.
You
know
it's
some
good
metadata
that
you
want
to
know
about
your
packages.
A
But
long
long,
it's
like
a
long.
I
know
it'll
take
a
long
time
if
we
get
there,
so
don't
think,
there's
too
much
else
on
that.
So
then
the
last
one
is
back
to
the
one
that
glenn
brought
up,
which
was
453
so
kafka.
No,
this
this
is
the
one.
Is
this
the
one
that
has
it's
like
a
sea
level
rapper
all
right?
C
A
Yeah,
I'm
just
looking
up
the
alternative
that
that
we
recommend,
based
on
having
looked
at
things
messaging
message,
queueing,
so
node
rd
kafka
is
the
one
I
was
thinking
of,
which
is
one.
That's
it's
it's
a
c
wrapper
for.
It's
not
sorry.
It's
a
javascript
wrapper
for
the
c
library.
That's
used
across
languages,
but
it's
it's.
It's
also
had
some
challenges.
I
I
shouldn't
say
challenge
but
like
over
time,
there's
there's.
A
You
know
it's
been
less
or
more
active
like
a
lot
of
projects
right
so
and
I'm
actually
just
wondering
like
because
there
are
others.
So
so
though,
but
what
I
do
think
is
important
is
it's.
We
need
a
good
module
for.
A
Kafka
kafka
is
an
important
protocol
being
used
more
and
more.
C
A
Need
to
have
node,
you
know:
node
needs
to
have
a
good
client
library.
For
that
and
that's
why
I'm
interested
for
sure
you
know
I'll
separately,
I
can
sort
of
send
you
if
you're
interested
glenn
the
link
that
talks
about
the
other
one
a
little
bit.
A
Up
okay,
so
that
you've
opened
the
issue.
I
guess,
like
you
said
it's
fresh,
so
maybe
we
can
spend
a
little
bit
more
time,
thinking
about
it
and
talk
about
it
in
a
future
meeting
too.
A
Okay,
that
takes
us
to
the
end
of
the
list
of
what
was
on
the
agenda.
Is
there
anything
else
that
we
want
to
talk
about
this
week?.
A
B
So
I
think
we're
close
to
being
the
mvp.
That
is
actually
like
a
any
other
further
that
there's
one
issue
that
I'm
still
working
on
of
two
issues,
which
I'll
fix
within
a
single
pr
I'll.
I
have
it
almost
ready
on
my
machine,
haven't,
pushed
and
just
need
to
add
some
more
tests
and
make
sure
that
there
are
good
tests
once
that's
merged
it.
I
I
think
it's
there's
little
value
in
developing
it
further
without
first
getting
some
more
feedback.
B
So
I
spoke
to
mateo
that
maybe
we
could
try
it
try
opening
it
an
issue
on
fastify,
but
I
would
like
to
see
if
there's
any
suggestions
on
any
other
early
adopters
that
would
like
to
try
it
out
and
yeah.
I
I'm
gonna
do
a
lot
of
handholding
there,
because
it's
it's
very
rare
just
yet
so
yeah.
If
there's
any
interest,
perhaps.
B
A
B
D
B
They
know
what
kind
of
readable
stream
and
which
one
as
well.
D
Why
am
I
blanking
on
it
now
udichi?
I
don't
know
why
I
forgot
it.
Udc
is
an
http
client
that
I
think
matteo
largely
started.
A
D
A
D
A
I
think
fastify
sounds
like
a
good
one,
because
you
can
work
pretty
closely
with
them.
I
can
also
talk.
I
can
also
see
within,
like
our
node
shift
set
of
modules.
If
there's
anything
that
has
you
know
good
set
of
dependencies
and
could
be
a
candidate,
because
trying
it
out
with
a
few
friendly
people
would
be,
would
make
a
lot
of
sense.
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
the
thing
with
fastify.
I
think
it's
a
bit
big
at
this
point.
So
there's
a
bit
of
don't
want
to
break
the
people's
workflows
and
you
know
start
having
red.
You
know
status
checks
in
there
with
a
lot
of
eyes
that
are
happening
there,
so
yeah,
okay,
cool
yeah!
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
now
that's
good
the
one.
The
other
thing
I'm
wondering
is:
would
it
make
any
sense
for
you
to
do
a
show-and-tell
in
a
future
package
maintenance
meeting
just
as
a
way,
I
I'd
be
interested
to
to
see
you
know
where
you
where
you've
got
to
get
a
bit
of
a
refresher,
and
it
would
also
be
a
recording
that
you
know
we
could
point
other
people
to
afterwards
as
well.
B
Right
now
we
may
as
well.
If
there's
time
left
do
it
do
it
next
time
round
sounds
good.
Probably
we
could
probably
do
it
now,
but
I
think
yeah
I'm
not
prepared.
So
no.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
really
want
to
get
some
more
feedback
on
it,
because
I
know
we
had
some
feedback,
but
maybe
this
there
are
other
approaches
there.
Obviously
there
are,
but
also
I
want
to
try
it
out
in
a
in
a
real
setting.
I've
I've
had
similar
tools
in
in
internally,
but
I
mean
they're
running
in
jenkins
against
you
know,
get
up
enterprise.
B
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
different
beast,
whereas
trying
this
in
the
open
yeah
just
want
to
see
in
practice
in
right
in
in
in
just
just
because
there's
probably
going
to
be
quite
some
changes
that
need
to
be
made
before
you
can
go
a
lot
more
mainstream.
So
yeah.
D
I
guess
one
thing:
I've
been
poking:
it
it
meet
for
a
bit.
I've
gotten
a
couple
things
in
there.
I
stripped
out
wes's
release
structure
in
favor
of
a
different
lease
structure
with
actions.
So
that's
a
little
bit
better.
I
believe
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
any
updates
provided
that
group,
so
I
just
figured.
I
should
share
the
bigger
things.
There's
now
support
for
hackmd.
A
D
D
The
one
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
currently
do
chip
away
at
between
between
meetings,
which
I
have
like
10
different
projects,
I'm
working
on
between
meetings.
So
it's
a
thing
is
just
getting
simpler,
like
shorthand
in
for
people.
So,
like
you,
don't
know
how
you
don't
have
to
know
how
to
write
javascript
to
actually
use
it
effectively.
D
So
yeah,
that's
that's
it's
progressing
pretty
nicely
I'd
say
I
think.
For
me,
the
release
architecture
was
structure.
Infrastructure
was
the
biggest
blocker
to
actually
working
on
it.
For
me,
so
yeah,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
that's
kind
of
addressed
now
and
we're
able
to
kind
of
continue
working
on
it
meaningfully.
It
seems
there's
you
know
a
lot
of
interest
from
different
people
just
like.
D
Please
give
this
to
me,
so
I'm
trying
to
prioritize
that
over
some
things
but
yeah
it's
it's
going
well,
so,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
spin
down
the
the
old
architecture.
At
some
point.
D
So
that's
that's
a
big
one,
but
currently
it
doesn't
integrate
into
the
calendar.
It
just
runs
on
a
cron
and
it
like
it.
So
he
you
pass
in
when
your
meeting
will
be
and
that's
what
you
get.
It
would
also
be
nice
to
be
able
to
do
it
like
for
one-off
meetings
and
calendar
integration
is
a
big
one.
It
would
be
nice
honestly
to
just
control
the
calendar
from
your
gamble
file
or
whatever
so
like
you
don't
have
to.
You
know,
have
people
or
like
from
another
file.
D
I
don't
know
whatever
whatever
configuration,
so
you
don't
have
to
have
people
adding
and
removing
things
like
that's
a
huge
barrier
in
node,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
control
it
from
that.
There's
there's
a
discus.
There's
an
issue
open
for
that.
That's
the
main
one
for
me
just.
A
D
D
D
So
it's
a
that's
a
definitely
a
concern.
I
pinged
justin
beckwith
who
works
at
google
and
maintains
the
libraries
the
relevant
libraries.
So
he's
said
he'd,
be
you
know,
happy
to
help.
So,
ideally,
that's
a
that'd
be
a
great
way
to
get.
Help
is
talking
to
the
person
who
maintains
the
libraries
or
manages
the
people
who
maintains
the
libraries
you
think.
A
D
Complicated
off
and
yeah,
it's
it's
a
rough
one.
I
mean
honestly
like
even
feeding
it.
An
ical
subscription
might
be
like
an
authenticated.
Ical
subscription
might
be
the
way
to
go
there,
but
yeah
there's
a
bunch
of
different
options
in
front
of
us
and
just
like
getting
getting
time
and
people
to
do
the
work
is,
is
the
one
there
so
if
anyone's
interested
in
helping
with
that,
that
would
be
a
huge
help.
So
yeah.