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B
I
think
that
was
vancouver
the
last
time,
because.
D
A
Okay,
okay,
everyone
who's
joining
on
youtube.
Welcome
to
the
first
node
tooling,
meeting
of
2021..
We
actually
got
a
pretty
good
group
of
folks
today,
so
I
guess
we'll
jump
to
the
agenda.
A
D
I
don't
know
if
it
matters,
but
we're
electing
another
board.
Member
from
the
cpc
kind
of
somewhat
slightly
related.
I
don't
know
chris
borchers
is
the
primary
board
director
for
the
cpc
and
we're
about
to
open
up
elections
for
replacing
or
you
know
his
seat.
A
Then,
what's
what's
what's
the
committee
is
that
for
joe,
the
cross
project
council
committee.
A
Of
which
node
is
one
of
the
main
projects?
No,
I
wanted
to
call
it.
We
don't
have
it
in
our
own
agenda
right
now,
but
I
wanted
to
call
out
that
the
random
ue
id
uuid
feature
was
landed
in
node.
A
Embarrassingly,
apparently,
someone
was
championing
this
right
around
the
time
that
we
started
having
this
group
meeting
and
unfortunately
kind
of
ran
into
a
wall
where
people
weren't
super
excited
to
land
it.
So
I
was
kind
of
rereading
their
work
from
two
and
a
half
years
ago
and
it's
I
was
certainly
apologetic,
but
it
kind
of
I
think
it
shows
that
the
the
tones
changed
a
little
bit
in
the
last
two
years,
like
people
are
more
willing
to
pull
in
some
of
these
tools.
A
What
I
was
going
to
kind
of
tack
on
to
that
is:
there's
also
a
standardization
effort
to
continue
ongoing
for
a
random
uid
to
try
to
make
it
potentially
something
in
the
browser
eventually
and
that's
in
its
pretty
early
stages,
pretty
early
stages
still,
but
I'm
still
trying
to
nudge
that
along
gently
and
and
we'll
try
to
keep
node
in
line
with
it,
as
as
we
move
it
forward.
So
there's
some
web
cryptography
is
a
closed
working
group
within
w3c.
A
I
believe
so
it's
so
it's
there's
not
a
super
clear
path
to
how
you
would
add
new
features
to
it
right
now.
So
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
that
process
works.
I'm
just
learning.
A
I'm
excited
that
james
helped
push
that
work
forward.
I
think
it's
great.
A
B
A
Gonna
not
congratulate
you,
then,
but
once
you're,
onboarded
and
yeah
and
things
are
looking
good
then
we
can.
We
can
hopefully
congratulate
you
in
a
couple
weeks,
cool
so
just
toss
it
jumping
into
the
agenda.
We
have
the
foreign
function
interface
ticket
that
we've
had
open
for
a
while-
and
I
think
brian
english
was
championing
this
at
one
point.
A
D
Yeah,
I
think
that'll
be
a
good
idea.
Just
he
opened
it
in
june,
it's
been
a
while.
A
And
there's
my
favorite
thing:
well,
I
guess
my
favorite
thing
is
copy
dash
r,
but
we
have
chmod
dash
r.
So
let
me
just.
B
B
I
guess
I
can
give
like
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
that.
I
mean
not
much
has
happened
in
the
last
month,
but
I
did
put
together
like
a
rough
kind
of
rfc
covering
the
recursive
copy
functionality.
B
I
don't
remember
where
I
shared
that
I
think
I
maybe
just
shared
it
in
the
slack
channel.
I
will
make
an
issue
in
the
tooling
repo
or
recursive
copy
and
link
it
in
there
so
yeah.
I
would
love
some
feedback
on
that.
Oh
joe's
got
the
link
there
perfect
yeah.
I
would
love
some
feedback
on
that.
It's
you
know
fairly
rough.
I've
never
written
an
rfc
before
so
could
definitely
maybe
use
some
some
help.
I
know
I
mean
node
doesn't
even
have
like
the
formal
rfc
process
anyways.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
how
like
formal
or
official
it
needs
to
be.
I
think
the
goal
would
be
as
a
group
we
should.
We
should
sort
of
proof
the
proposal
make
sure
we're
happy
with
it
and
then
I
think
it
basically
becomes
an
issue
that
we
open
on
the
main
repo
and
gather
some
feedback.
There
find
out
who's
interested
in
being
involved,
and
then
we
can
start
work
on
the
implementation
provided.
A
That
makes
sense
to
me:
should
we
just
try
to
say
for
the
next
meeting
in
two
weeks
everyone's
read
through
this
and
has
put
any
feedback
they
have
in
the
notes,
maybe
sure
yeah.
That
would
be
great.
A
I
want
there's
a
kind
of
a
fell
on
the
floor,
recursive
pr
that
I
think
tyranny's
on
the
call.
Actually,
I
think
I
saw
him
but
but
says
you
brought
it.
You.
A
The
recursively
also
make
the
file,
I
think,
had
been
brought
up
by
you
at
one
point
and
someone
actually
has
a
commit
open
for
that.
I
just
want
to
find
it,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
these
community
things
don't
get
dropped
on
the
floor,
but
it
comes
from
an
external
contributor,
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
find
it,
so
we
actually
put
it
in
our
agenda.
A
A
I
thought
it
sounded
useful
to
me
like,
like
it
does
save
operations
and
they
made
a
strong
case
for
it
and
they
were
getting
support
from
other
folks
on
the
project.
F
Yeah,
I
mean
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
just
because
it's
like
it.
It
is
a
pattern.
I
see
people
stumble
over
constantly,
especially
going
through
the
docs
and
trying
like
having
it
it's
just
like
a
thing.
People
have
to
re-teach
themselves
a
lot,
or
at
least
that
I
have
seen
people
re-teaching
themselves,
and
so,
if
we
just
provide
that
that
would
like
I
mean
it
like.
I
don't
think
it's
that
much
additional
overhead
like
to
stray
away
from
small
core,
but
it
also
saves
developer
time.
B
A
F
A
Any
objections
to
moving
a
little
farther
forward
in
the
agenda
or
I
don't
know-
maybe
the
last
point
is:
do
we
want
to
keep
doing
this
piecemeal
like
this
or
do
we
have
an
interest
in
like
someone
doing
a
holistic,
look
at
all
our
file
system
operations
and
seeing
if
they
should
be
recursive
or
could
we
just
have
a
policy
of
I'm
going
to
show
my
bias?
Could
we
have
a
policy
where
we
consider
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis?
A
B
I
think
in
a
previous
meeting
we
actually
sort
of
like
brainstormed
what
we
thought
would
be
good
candidates
for
a
recursive
functionality.
So
I
don't
remember
where
that
went.
But
if
we
look
back
through
the
the
meeting
notes
at
some
point,
we.
B
B
Yeah,
maybe
maybe
we
have
an
issue
there,
where
we
keep
sort
of
like
the
list
and
then
work
off
that
I
also
just
created
an
issue
for
recursive
copy.
What
do
I
have
to
do
to
get
it
on
the
agenda?
I
just
added
the
the
tooling
agenda
label.
Is
that
all
that's
required?
B
A
A
A
Tool
least
was
thinking
that
in
my
head,
that's
that
that's
what
we
should
do,
because
I
feel
like
we've,
had
it
in
our
agenda
forever
and
and
but
we
don't
really,
no
one's
really
become
an
expert
at
whether
it
actually
solves
the
problem.
So
I
feel,
like
it'd,
be
good
for
someone
to
play
with
the
tool
before
we
really
agitate
about
implementing
in
a
node
or
agitate
about
changes
that
need
to
be
made
to
node.
A
Personally,
that's
my
gut
unless
anyone
else
wants
to
speak
on
this
one,
and
this
issue
for
folks
who
haven't
been
following
along,
is
basically,
if
you're
trying
to
do
something
like
proxy
choir,
where
you
in
a
unit
test,
want
to
make
it
so
that
a
sub
dependency
kind
of
dynamically
swaps
out
a
dependency
as
it
loads
it
in
so
that
you
can
proxy
difficult.
So
you
can
kind
of
mock
difficult
to
mock
inner
methods.
A
As
the
require
happens.
You
can
do
this
in
with
you
can
do
this
with
require
because
require
lets.
You
delete
the
thing
from
the
require
cache
and
put
a
new
thing
in
the
require
cache,
so
you
can
kind
of
like
munch
that
value,
but
esm
is
immutable,
so
it's
more
difficult
to
just
swap
in
one
require
and
then
get
a
different
require
when
you
try
to
do
it,
but
someone
in
user
land
kind
of,
I
think,
wrote
some
sort
of
loader
implementation
where
it
would
kind
of
come
up
with.
A
B
The
other
kind
of
related
issue
was
like
dynamic,
like
watching
watching
files
for
changes
and
reloading
like
watching
tests
for
changes
or
yeah.
That
was
the
other
sort
of
side
to
this.
So
yeah
I'd
be
curious.
If
that
tool
can
help
with
that
as
well.
A
These
other
two
agenda
items
and
we
keep
saying
that
that
the
new
hooking
functionality
that
stephen
bellinger
is
working
on
might
help
with.
I.
B
Yeah,
it
was
corey,
I
think
that
was
kind
of
championing
these,
but
he
hasn't.
He
hasn't
been
around
recently.
D
D
Is
that
perhaps
another
nudge
see
if,
if
steven
can
join
a
meeting
and.
A
So
yeah,
I
think,
maybe
actually
being
able
to
come
with
him.
Something
actionable
we
want
to
do
might
be
good,
though,
like
maybe
asking
is
this
work,
that's
happening,
and
if
so,
is
there
a
way
we
could
contribute
for
this
exit
hook
stuff
for
this.
A
The
process
exiting
is
really
useful
because
we
kind
of
have
been
have
been
hacking
that
in
on
a
need,
need
by
need
basis,
but
it's,
but
it's
not
really
available
to
the
community.
So
yeah,
I
don't
know.
I
guess
we
need
a
champion,
though,
for
this
like,
and
so
I
guess
we
could
reach
out
to
corey
and
see
if
he's
still
interested
yeah.
A
B
Yeah,
I
think
like
like
with
the
ffi
one.
You
know
ryan's
not
here,
so
we
just
kind
of
skip
over
it
for
the
time
being,
anyways
that
goes
on
for
another
six
months
or
something
then
maybe
we
just
archive
it.
A
A
It
actually
shows
the
right
function.
Names
now,
which
is
another
entry
in
the
source
map
so
like,
if
you're
using
a
minifier
that
munches
the
function
names
that
used
to
not
show
the
right
function
names
now
it
tries
to.
It
does
show
the
source
in
its
original
context.
It
does
show
you
the
rate
line.
A
Feature
but
I've
been
talking.
I
talked
briefly
to
some
of
the
folks
working
on
the
stack
trace
proposal
for
tc39,
jordan,
lj
herb,
and
his
concern
was
even
though
it's
kind
of
neat,
what
we're
doing
in
node.js,
where
we
show
the
little
underscore
arrow
and
show
you
both
the
original
call
site
and
the
transpiled
call
site.
A
I
think
it
was
a
neat
idea,
but
it's
the
odds
of
it
being
specified
in
the
tc39
stack
trace.
Spec
are
not
very
good
because
it's
it's
like
us,
basically
tacking
on
a
new
grammar
to
to
something
that
they're
trying
to
chase
and
and
kind
of
just
tack
down.
A
What's
currently
being
done,
so
I
was
thinking
after
talking
with
jordan
and
I
actually
honestly
agree
like
I'd
kind
of
like
to
change
the
functionality
so
that
we
only
show
the
transpiled
code
if
you've
asked
for
source
maps
to
be
used,
and
we
show
the
original
code
if
you
haven't
asked
for
source
maps
to
be
used
and
even
though
it's
slightly
more
annoying
like
it's.
If
the
bug
happened
to
be
in
the
transpiled
step,
you're
not
seeing
the
original
call
site
if
it
happened
to
be
caused
by
that,
would
it
be?
A
Would
it
be
possible
to
also
have
an
option
to
show
both
still
that's
that's
a
fair
option.
Yeah,
that's
a
fair
point.
I
just
thought
to
call
it
stable.
It
would
be
more
likely
to.
A
B
F
B
Yeah,
I
actually
did
have
this
conversation
a
while
ago
with
brian,
but
that
yeah,
that
was
that
was
maybe
like
three
or
four
months
ago,
and
I
don't
exactly
remember
where
we
left
it
yeah,
but
yeah
again,
I
think
maybe
introducing
the
landing
it
as
non-experimental,
where
it
shows
one
or
the
other,
and
then
that
makes
the
integration
with
those
tools
easier
and
then,
if
we
do
follow
up
with
the
the
double
you
know,
original
and
transpiled
option,
we
could
maybe
work
with
people
like
that
to
make
sure
that
that's
properly
supported
as
well.
A
Yeah
we
could
maybe
move
like
we
could
probably
like
even
just
work
with
the
folks
we're
here
in
the
tc39
spec
and
be
like,
like
would
be
kind
of
neat
if
we
could
show
both
but
like
is
there
a
way
we
can
extend
it
or
something
I
don't
know
yeah
instead
of
trying
to
force
them
to
do
it,
though,
because
we've
chosen
to
do
it,
I
think
it'd
make
more
sense
to
start.
A
D
I've
got
a
branch
that
is
kosher.
That's
you
know
I
squashed
all
of
the
previous
commits
and
we
based
it
against
master
everything's.
Looking
good
I've
started
to
gather
the
concerns
and
relevant
comments
from
that
long
thread
and
I'm
trying
to
parse
no
pun
intended
like
what's
outstanding
and
what's
blocking
and
talked
to
roy
briefly
today,
and
he
volunteered
to
do
the
the
bit
of
work
that
he
was
suggesting
in
the
comment
thread.
D
So
there's
some
progress
there,
but
you
know
not
not
too
much
to
to
to
do
yet,
I'm
I'm
or
too
much
to
show
yet
I'm
hoping
to
get
another
pr
open
soon.
Once
I
can
kind
of
articulate
you
know
what
is
outstanding
and
you
know
how
we
would
move
forward
on
it.
B
Awesome,
if
you,
if
you
want
some
earlier
feedback
on
that
from
the
group
in
the
past,
I
I'll
open
a
pr
against
my
own
fork
rather
than
the
main
repo
and
just
share
that,
like
I
did
that
with
ben
when
I
was
working
on
the
bimrap
stuff,
so
yeah,
if
you're.
If
you're
looking
for
some
earlier
feedback
before
you
open
the
real
pr.
D
Great,
no,
it's
a
good
idea.
I
was.
I
was
thinking
about
something
like
that
to
you,
so
I
will
I'll
get
that
going
and
ping.
The
group
cool.
A
A
B
D
Yeah,
so
that's
top
of
my
list,
so
I
will
keep
you
all
updated
and
and
appreciate
your
help
and
moving
it
forward.
A
B
I
don't
know
if
this
is
necessarily
relevant
to
this
group,
but
you
know
just
speaking
of
like
tc39
I've.
I've
been
talking
with
with
little
dan
about
there's
a
new
decimal
proposal
that
he's
been
working
on
along
with
someone
else,
and
so
I
kind
of
volunteered
since
I
work
at
a
company.
That's
building
a
bank
with
with
node
decimal
numbers
would
be
awesome,
so
anyways
yeah,
I'm
gonna,
be
I
told
them.
B
I'm
gonna
be
working
as
much
as
I
can
to
move
that
forward
this
year,
which
will
also
include
probably
like
polyfilling,
that
or
building
like
some
kind
of
like
babel
implementation,
or
something
as
a
proof
of
concept.
So
I
don't
know.
If
that's,
I
don't
think,
that's
super
relevant
to
this
group,
but
I
thought
I
would
mention
it.
Anyways.
A
That
sounds
amazing,
though
I
feel
like
like
at
google.
We
have
our
like
database.
Libraries
and
node
can
be
kind
of
deficient
compared
to
other
languages
in
terms
of
number
of
representations,
so
that
would
probably
be
super
beneficial
for
things
like
like
big
table
and
spanner,
and
all
that
stuff
yeah.
F
I'll
just
say
I
can
also
imagine
it-
the
like
cosmos
team
at
microsoft,
cosmos
db
being
relatively
interested
in
this
for
various
things
that
they
do.
Yeah.
B
Cool
yeah
well,
and
actually
one
thing
that
the
proposal
is
going
to
need.
I
think
in
the
in
the
medium
term,
is
some
champions
from
like
we're
trying
to
get
someone
from
safari
on
board,
someone
from
chrome
and
various
other
projects
like
that
so
yeah.
Maybe
we
should
discuss
that
at
some
point
as
well
and
also,
if
any
of
you
are
just
interested
in
in
the
proposal
or
finding
out
where
it's.
B
To
want
to
talk
about
it
at
all,
that
would
be
great
too.
A
B
A
There's
a
loud
motorcycle
outside
so
give
me
one
second
here:
okay,
so
kind
of
more
kind
of
first
meeting
of
the
year
business.
I
guess
I'll
move
that
into
all
right.
That's
fine!
We
used
to
have,
I
guess
when
we
at
the
node
kind
of
interactive
conferences
or
the
interactive
conferences,
we'd
usually
have
kind
of
like
a
large
group
planning
meeting
and
set
out
some
goals
for
the
year
for
ourselves.
A
We
shouldn't
try
to
do
this
in
the
last
20
minutes
of
this
meeting,
but
I
I
wonder
if
we
are
there
good
opportunities
for
us
to
do
that,
coming
up
like
what
conferences
are
coming
up
or
do
we
want
to
just
do
a
meeting?
That's
dedicated
to
that.
F
I
I
think
interactive
or
whatever
the
world
is
planned
for
june,
so
you
know
that's
midway
through
the
year,
so
probably
doing
one
now-ish
and
then
following
up
with
that
would
be
would
be
the
strategy
there.
B
A
F
Yeah
we
could
do
that
in
teams.
Oh
sorry,
I'm
gonna
talk
over
you.
Oh,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
that
and
then
also
adding
it
to
the
tst
and
comic
con
magentas.
If
you
like
at
least
getting
them
getting
awareness,
there
will
help
get
get,
get
a
little
bit
more
attention
and
help
spread.
It.
A
We
could
do
that
like
any
time
in
the
next
two
weeks
and
just
just
set
the
time
as
four
weeks
out
when
we'll
actually
be
having
a
meeting
just
to
give
people
some
some
head
headroom
right
and
then
we
can.
Oh.
B
Go
ahead,
oh
I
was
just
gonna
say:
maybe
we
can
like
follow
up
with
that
on
slack
and
come
up
with,
like
maybe
choose
a
date
and
that
works
for
us
and
then
post
the.
D
D
I
I
feel
like
we
might
be
able
to
get
done
in
an
hour,
but
maybe
it
makes
sense
to
plan
it
longer
and
just
or
do
you
run
over?
I
don't
know.
What's
your
thoughts,
your
name.
F
Yeah
I'd
say
probably
like
an
hour
and
a
half
at
the
least,
if
not
two
just
and
like
people
like
the
the
nice
thing,
is
people
can
dip
in
and
out
at
that
length
and
you
don't
like
if
it
overlaps
with
someone's
meeting
like
if
you
do
two,
if
it
overlaps
with
someone's
meeting,
then
they
can
at
least
attend
half,
usually
theoretically,
hopefully,.
A
B
Okay,
I
that
will
probably
work
for
me.
I
have
a
a
meeting
right
before
this
meeting
every
two
weeks,
but
it
usually
ends
half
an
hour
45
minutes
early,
so
I
can
make
that
work.
A
Last
thing
there?
Oh,
you
know,
and
we
should
talk
to
we
should
we
should
try
to
use
some
like
kanban
board
software
or
something
to
make
it
smooth
over
the
internet.
A
F
There's
there's
been
an
interesting
tool,
I
think
it's
called
mira
I
I
might
be
yeah.
That's
an
among
us
map.
F
Electronic
fun
retro
is
one
there's
a
different
whiteboard
or,
like
sticky,
note
tool
that
we
used
in
electron
for
our
collaborator
summit.
That
was
actually
really
useful.
I
don't
know
how
to
hit
command
on
this,
so
I
can't
actually
dm
jacob
to
ask,
but
I
will
I
will
find
that
out
and
shoot
that
over.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
that.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that's
it.
That's
the
one
I'm
talking
about.
I
I
think
mira
is
the
among
us
map
and
I
think
it's
miro
for
the
yep
miro
yeah
miro.com
m-I-r-o
I'll
put
it
in
the
zoom
chat.
Here
too.
F
A
That's
that
so
ambitiously
try
to
do
a
planning
meeting
in
a
month's
time,
so
I
should
I
don't
usually
have
stuff
on
my
calendar
on
friday.
Let
me
make
sure
that
I'm
not
gonna
immediately
be
the
problem
for
that.
That
should
be
fine
for
me,
cool
anyone
else
have
we're
moving
through
the
agenda
fast
today.
B
Should
we
throw
a
couple
things
on
onto
the
list
of
what
we
think
are
sort
of
like
our
roadmap
for
the
year
like,
for
example,
the
argument
parsing
recursive
copy?
Those
are
two
sort
of,
I
think
obvious
ones.
B
G
A
Why
don't
we
next
meeting
along?
We
just
say
for
our
next
meeting,
we'll
plan
on
doing
some
of
the
just
talking
amongst
ourselves
about
some
of
the
stuff
we'd
like
to
do
for
the
year
and
have
picked
the
software
we're
going
to
use
to
do
it
and
like
have
have
an
issue
open
to
make
sure
we're
inviting
more
people
in
for
that
next
one
and
just
try
to
do
all
three
of
those
things.
B
That's
kind
of
what
I
meant
by
like
maybe
let's,
let's
kind
of
coordinate
this
on
slack,
maybe
like
next
like
either
this
weekend
or
next
week,
and
then
we
can
open
that
issue
a
little
bit
earlier.
A
A
All
these
google
tools-
oh
nevermind,
I'm
gonna,
save
it
for
save
it
when
you're
not
recording.
Well,
I
think,
it's
fair
to
say
they
work.
They
work
so
incredibly.
Well,
when
you're
in
google
and
then
I'm
like
using
my
personal
account
and
I'm
like
trying
to
add
message
you
and
it's
it's
just
not
the
same
experience.
I
think,
but
I
get
it
that
trying
to
at
message
the
entire
world's
a
lot
harder
someone
inside
that
someone
inside
a
company.
A
F
F
Extremely
hard
I'm
still
trying
to
find
out
where
parents
or
where
yeah
parentheses
are
not,
maybe
not
the
best
to
immediately
start
coding
on,
but
it's
my
fun
present
to
myself
it's
supposed
to
be.
Is
it
supposed
to
be
better
ergonomically?
Is
that
life.
F
A
Nice,
it
was
my
holiday,
my
girlfriend,
and
I
decided
to
go
visit
family
like
months
ago
like
in
october,
but
we
didn't
feel
safe
flying
in
a
plane,
because
I
was
like
this
just
like
seems
like
a
box
of
germs.
So
so
we
decided
to
do
a
careful
drive
across
the
country
which
was
interesting.
So
that
was
my
whole
holiday
season
was
seeing
utah
for
the
first
time
nice
and
sounds
pretty
cool,
actually
yeah.
G
A
G
I
feel
you
on
that.
Having
done
similar
drive
yeah,
it's
like
man,
the
west
coast.
Just
really
has
all
the
best
scenery.
A
I
felt
like
yeah
the
road
between
like
vail
and
I
think
vale
and
zion
is
incredible.
Like
it's
like
looks
like
a
prehistoric
earth.
Okay,.
B
Well,
I
was
gonna
say
I've
been
wanting
to
also
do
a
road
trip.
I
mean
I
feel
kind
of
the
same
way
about
you
about
flying,
but
road
trips
in
canada
in
the
winter.
B
G
Yeah
we're
the
same
way,
but
in
reverse
would
love
to
go
to
canada
probably
won't
be
for
a
bit
yeah.
So.