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From YouTube: HTM Chat Time - May 17, 2019
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HTM Community chat, forum Q&A, shenanigans.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
I
don't
even
know
if
I
need
to
do
anything
to
this
right
now,
I
just
wanted
to
review
it.
So
this
is
sort
of
my
planning
board
for
building
HTM
systems,
and
so
I've
got
some
of
these.
Just
a
brainstorm
like
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
want
to
do
them
or
not,
but
if
you
have
an
idea,
you
throw
it
in
there
and
we'll
decide.
We
can
talk
about
whether
we
actually
want
to
do
them.
B
B
Need
a
haircut
it's
not
to
sort
of
clean
em
up
and
talking
about
doing,
convert
the
code
and
simple
HTM
to
CoffeeScript.
I
still
want
to
do
that:
I'm,
not
ready
to
do
it.
Yet
it's
just
it's
it'll,
be
a
big
project
and
I
want
to
make
a
little
bit
more
progress
pass
where
I
want
to
get
at
least
where
I
got
a
I,
don't
even
know
if
I
want
to
do
it.
Let's
put.
B
B
What
is
future
feature
server,
I,
don't
think
I
have
any
features,
do
I
what
did
I
do
feature
yeah,
let's
delete
the
feature
and
we'll
make
that
easy.
So
I
got
some
easy,
grunt
work
for
a
favicon
and
that's
basically
just
come
up
with
a
favicon
or
maybe
take
yes.
I,
don't
know
what
image
to
use,
but
even
if
it's
a
blank
at
least
it'll
keep
the
air
from
coming
up
a
consistent
diagram,
styling
pattern:
this
is
a
brainstorm.
B
I
mean
that's
something
to
think
about
really
kind
of
smart
stuff
is
hat
well,
so
this
is
sort
of
my
casual
part
of
the
show.
I'll
probably
be
streaming
for
three
or
four
hours
today,
working
on
tech
stuff,
but
right
now,
I'm
sort
of
just
like
to
call
this
HTM
chat
time
with
rhyolite
and
I'm
just
going
over.
Some
of
the
tab,
some
of
the
planning
stuff
not
really
doing
technical
engineering
work,
I'm
gonna,
do
some
form
QA
on
HTM
forum
and
then.
B
About
age,
you
know
we
let's
talk
about
agency
and
transferred
now
because
that's
fun,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
viewers
here
and
it's
a
neat
thought
experiment
to
do
so.
Let's
see
if
I
can
get
this
is
my
iPad
screen
I
like
to
draw
on
it.
Bear
with
me.
Let's
talk
about
agency
Oh,
what
happens
to
many
cords?
A
B
B
Boo,
boo,
boo,
boo,
just
a
2d
environment
and
then
we've
got
an
agent.
This
is
like
center
of
the
agent
or
whatever,
and
this
agent
has
some
sensors.
It's
got
like
little
legs,
I,
don't
know
it
has
some
way
to
interact
with
the
environment.
We
can
make
them
simple,
something
like
that
and
let's
make
them
little
small
them
down
a
little
and
say
this
guy.
B
So
what
what?
What
an
agent
wants
to
do?
You
have
like
this
natural
curiosity,
right,
I,
think
I.
Think
life-forms
have
this
natural
curiosity
that
they're
just
pre-programmed
with
I,
don't
know,
but
there's
they
have
an
incentive
to
explore.
So
so
what
you
could
do
is
program
somehow,
if
you
can
imagine
an
agent
having
a
representation
of
space
that
it
builds
over
time,
which
is
what
we
talked
about.
B
You
know
if
you
can
program
random
movements
through
the
space
right
and
then
you
can
start
to
get
a
sense
of
the
space
and
and
if
you
make
it
a
goal,
if
you
added
a
system
to
try
and
have
goals
and
rewards
in
this-
and
you
made
it
a
goal
like
it
felt
pleasing
it
was
good
to
explore
more
space
right.
It's
good
for
this
thing.
It
feels
good.
It
gets
a
reward
when
it
explores
more
space.
B
That
we've
just
totally
like
learned
its
environment
right
and
we
take
that
agent
and
we
right
we
will
move
it
to
let's,
let's
move
it
to
another
environment,
thanks
for
the
for
the
follow-up,
Brandon
I'm
talking
about
agency
and
identity
right
now,
and
so
let's
say
we
have
another
environment
over
here.
Let's
say
it's:
the
exact
same
environment,
right,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
copy
this
and
paste
it
over.
B
Here,
let's
make
a
little
speak
a
little
smaller,
so
my
point
gets
across
okay,
that's
it
it's
irrelevant
exactly,
but
so
let's
say
we
take
this
agent
over
here
and
we
move
him
to
a
new
environment
right.
So
we're
now
we're
in
a
new
environment.
But
we
say:
hey,
look!
You
don't
get
these
sensors
anymore.
B
You
left
that
behind
when
that
sensor
set
like
everything
that
you
learned
everything
you
you
learned
as
a
spider
in
this
world
once
once
you
detach
the
agent
even
the
intelligent
system,
the
model,
because
this
thing
has
a
model
of
the
world
right.
You
move
that
model
over
here
it
loses
everything
it
loses
this
whole.
This
I
mean
it
still
exists.
It
could
still
have
a
representation
of
that.
But
now
you've
got
this
new
sensor
set
over
here.
So.
A
B
Bounces
around,
like
he's
at
his
goal,
could
still
be
the
same
thing
to
explore
right
and
then
the
last
environment.
Once
you
learn
a
little
bit
of
space,
you
get
better
at
it
and
you're
like
oh
I,
know
how
to
explore.
You
would
assume
you
could
transfer
the
knowledge
of
space
from
the
first
environment
to
the
second,
but
because
we've
moved
to
another
sensor
set
this
guy
has
to
relearn
everything
he
can't
apply
any
like.
B
He
can't
apply
this
knowledge.
This
doesn't
apply.
He
has
to
build
up
over
time,
just
like
we
did.
He
has
to
build
up
by
like
bouncing
around
randomly
and
then
being
like.
Oh
I,
realized
I
can
explore.
This
is
how
you
explore
it
at
blah,
and
he
has
to
learn
that
up
entirely
in
a
different
way
and
these
representations
are
not
compatible
right,
they're
incompatible.
B
That's
a
hard
thing
to
understand:
I
think
when
you're
thinking
about
intelligent
systems
and
a
lot
of
people
brainstorm
about
the
idea
of
like
brain
transfer
right
and
they
say
how
will
he,
when
can
I
upload
my
brain
to
a
computer
and
and
be
able
to,
like
you
know,
wake
up
in
an
android
body
or
something
right
at
some
point
in
the
future?
First
of
all,
that's
that
wouldn't
be
you
at
all.
Whatever
wakes
up
in
that
Android
body
would
not
be
you
they
would,
they
would
I,
don't
know
what
what
it
would
be.
B
It's
not
you
and
the
the
the
the
way
that
you
would
get
this
transfer
to
work
would
would
be
to
like
a
really
detailed
associative
map
of
a
knowledge
of
this
sensor
set
versus
this
sensor
set,
and
some
really
really
detailed
information
about
how
to
translate
knowledge
learned
using
one
sensor
set
versus
knowledge
learned
using
a
different
sensor
set
hey
the
Michael
jolly
the
man
himself.
I've
watched
your
stream
before
thanks
for
following
I
appreciate
it.
B
It's
not
even
if
there
was
a
continuation
of
conscious
experience,
not
even
if
there
were
even
not
talking
about
consciousness
at
all
consciousness,
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
this
problem.
This
is
a
simple
problem
of
intelligence,
of
an
intelligent
system,
learning
a
space
here
and
then
being
detached
from
its
sensor
set.
That's
the
thing
when
you,
when
intelligence
system
builds
up
a
model
of
reality,
it
has
to
use
some
type
of
sensor
set
to
do
that
and
the
model
that
it
creates
is
directly
attached
to
that
sensor
set.
It
cannot
be
detached
from
that.
B
So
I
mean
this
being
said.
You
could
certainly
have
an
agent
over
here
with
the
spider
legs
that
learns
an
environment
just
like
we
did,
and
then
you
put
it
in
a
completely
different
environment
and
you
give
it
the
same
spider
legs.
It
will
know
how
to
explore
right.
So
so,
in
this
case,
if
this
agent
was
stupid
at
first
and
it
didn't
realize
what
space
was
it's
just
randomly
moving
and
we're
rewarding
it
for
exploration,
okay,
but
after
a
while,
it
will
realize.
B
Oh,
this
is
how
I
move
through
space
and
it'll
figure
out
how
to
explore
space
right
in
this
case.
If
we
move
this
guy
to
another
to
another
environment
with
the
same
sensor
set.
Let's,
let's
make
this
even
more
clear
that
what
we're
doing
this,
if
we
move
this
guy
to
another
environment,
bear
with
me
here
all
right.
B
So
it's
the
exact
same
exact
same
one
and
he's
going
to
immediately
apply
his
knowledge
of
space
that
he
learned
using
his
sensors
in
the
previous
environment
and
be
like
oh
I,
need
to
maximize
space
exploration
route
right,
so
it'll
know
how
to
achieve
its
goal
much
faster
because
it
already
is
learned
about
space,
and
this
brain
transfer
is
up
here
because
I'm
traveling,
it's
really
really
really
really
way
way
far
just
in
the
future.
Now
anything,
oh,
it's
possible,
and
if
it
were
to
happen,
it
would
not
be
you
so.
B
B
B
I
wanted
to
have
that
was
based
off
of
this.
This
is
based
off
a
tweet,
a
tweet
thread
that
I
did
yesterday
and
our
we're
gonna
go
back
to
reviewing
my
Trello
board,
which
is
so
much
more
exciting
than
drawing.
Unless
someone
has
it
see,
I
thought
I
thought
I
could
also
do
the
whole
art
twitch.
Then
you
know
and
start
drawing
on
drawing
on
on
my
iPad
now
mr.
mystic
I
don't
know
how
to
say
her
name
but
treat
yes,
you
have
a
question.
You
may
ask
a
question
any
time
we.
B
This
is
HTM
chat
time
with
rhyolites.
That's
what
you're
watching.
So,
please
feel
free
to
ask
a
question.
I
just
have
a
few
things
to
work
on
in
the
background
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
do:
cleaning
up
my
Trello
Trello
board
for
a
project
called
building
HTM
systems.
That's
another
thing:
I
also
have
to
do
I
hate,
I
hate
to
do
this
live
on
Twitch,
but
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
edit
a
couple
things.
B
As
far
as
I
know,
so
my
panels
are
like
way
out
of
this
thing's
way
out
of
date,
every
Thursday.
Okay,
that's
a
lie:
I,
don't
know
what
to
say.
Sometimes
some
days
I'll
be
live
coding,
yeah,
I,
hear
ya
my
opinion,
unconsciousness
I,
believe
it
is
a
thing:
oh,
how
it
emerges.
Yeah
I,
think
consciousness
is
sort
of
an
emergent
property,
I
think
there's
a
levels
of
consciousness,
I
think
some
things
are
more
conscious
than
others,
and
that
I
think
that
has
something
to
do
with
how
much
introspection
you
can
do.
B
You
know,
because
one
of
the
first
things
you
have
to
do
to
be
conscious,
I
think
I
mean
how
you're
getting
me
off
on
a
tangent
here.
One
of
the
first
things
you
have
to
do
to
call
yourself
conscious,
is
to
understand
there
is
a
self
or
that
there
is
a
separation
between
self
and
reality.
I
think
that
it
may
be
the
first
spark
of
consciousness
to
understand
that
your
movements
affect
yourself
and
sometimes
reality
right
and
there's
a
line
there.
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
draw
the
line
right
here.
B
You
know
that
my
movements
have
a
direct
effect
on
reality
around
me,
I'm
affecting
reality
around
me.
I
can
tear
my
office,
oh
if
I
can
throw
things
out
the
window
whatever
so
that
would
be.
The
first
tenant
of
consciousness
was
I
think
is
to
understand
how
it's
the
movement
of
self
affects
reality.
B
Like
the
word
conscious,
but
it's
a
spectrum,
it's
a
huge
spectrum,
so
I
think
that
that
little
that
first
point
where
you
can
separate
self
from
reality.
That's
not
the
line!
There's
not
a
line
to
draw
there.
That's
just
I!
Think
the
first
that's
the
first
step
on
a
long
journey
towards
being
very
conscious.
You
know
like
extremely
like
human
being
type
of
consciousness,
where
we
have
deep
introspection
not
only
on
ourselves
but
on
our
society
and
civilization
and
center,
like
that.
So
there's
this
broad
spectrum
of
consciousness.
B
Okay,
that's
the
thing:
go,
look
up
consciousness
and
you're
gonna
find
ten
different
definitions
of
it.
That's
just
my
how
I
think
of
it
I
mean
how
do
we
decide
how
to
define
our?
What
we
are?
It's
it's
very
hard
to
nail
down,
so
I
don't
like
to
discuss
it.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
I
don't
like
to
discuss
it
now.
Intelligence
I
feel
like
is
more
tangible
and
that's
something
that
we
can.
B
We
can
work
with.
We
could
start
putting
words
to
and
that's
why
I
like
to
talk
about
agency
and
the
whole
thought
experiment.
I
just
did
because
I
think
and
tell
an
intelligent
thing
we're
going
here.
The
intelligent
thing
has
to
have
agency
it's
in
its
environment.
You
know,
but
this
is
a
different
definition
than
consciousness.
Alright,
that's
not
it's
not
like
that.
One
leads
to
the
other.
It's
like
that,
potentially
like
anyway,
you
have
to
have
agency
to
be
an
intelligent
thing,
which
means
you
have
to
be
able
to
move
and
sense.
B
You
know
reality
and
I
think
that
intelligence
for
us
for
me
to
define
intelligence
I
think
you
have
to
say
an
intelligent
thing
creates
a
version
of
reality
like
a
model
of
reality
and
it
and
it
has
a
model
of
reality.
It
can
call
on
to
decide
where
how
it
moves
essentially
I'm,
not
feeling
masochists
gonna
have
to
look
up
consciousness
at
the
moment.
B
Yeah
I'm
here
for
the
intelligence,
not
the
consciousness,
there's
a
there's
some
when
you
get
into
the
study
of
consciousness,
there's
a
big
fringe
there
of
very
interesting
ideas
that
not
okay,
not
interesting,
interesting,
because
they're
so
off-the-wall
right,
not
interesting,
meaning
that
I
need
to
study
that,
but
more
like
weird.
Okay,
so
we're
not
going.
B
Sj
says
primates
have
a
lot
of
social
intelligence
too.
They
had
to
do
very
good,
short-term
memory.
They
don't
have
our
future
planning,
though,
if
you
think
about
the
prefrontal
cortex,
you
know,
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
gives
us
as
humans,
the
ability
to
abstract
so
much,
because
we
have
this
huge
section
of
the
cortex
that
we
can
of
the
neocortex
that
we
can
use
to
plan
and-
and
it's
not
directly
dedicated
to
processing
sensory
input
like
it's.
B
Thanks
for
the
compliment,
Brandon
like
use
of
the
word
model
to
describe
the
way
we
interact
with
and
make
decisions
in
the
world
model
is
an
extremely
overused
term.
Hey
Mark,
Brown
model
is
super
over
you.
You
know,
but
I've
noticed
that
as
soon
as
I
got
into
software
engineering,
like
everything
has
a
model.
Every
every
framework
has
a
model.
Every
software
programming
paradigm
at
some
point
has
a
model.
It's
like
it's
just
that's
where
your.
B
Where
you
go
and
see,
what's
the
state
of
things
you
know,
so
a
model
is
super
generic,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
it's.
Where
do
you
go
to
find
out
what
the
state
of
things
is?
Where
do
you
store
the
state
of
things
you
store
it
in
the
model
and
and
are
you
know
this
sensorimotor
model
that
we
think
of
with
with
movement
and
HTM
and
sensory
sensory
streams,
temporal
sensory
streams?
It's
a
model
that
we
build
over
time
by
moving
through
space
I'm,
not
gonna,
talk
about
freewill.
B
A
B
A
B
Let's
know
how
I
feel
about
God,
okay,
I'm
just
doing
a
little
bit
of
maintenance,
a
little
housekeeping
on
the
on
the
twitch
thing.
So
so
you
guys
know
this
is
the
main
project
I've
been
working
on
building
HTM
systems,
and
this
is
the
repository
that
has
all
the
deets
in
the
readme.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
help
out
with
this,
this
is
this
place
to
go
alright,
and
this
is
the
Trello
board
which
is
in
the
deets
in
the
reading.
Oh
yeah,
here's
the
question
from
mystery
treat
sorry
I
did
I.
B
B
Brains
theory
is
that
you're,
representing
whatever
you're,
observing
and
in
space
you're,
representing
in
all
parts
of
your
brain
and
all
cortical
columns.
Each
cortical
column
has
a
representation
of
that
object
and
they
share
their
representations
through
lateral
connections.
That's
the
basically
the
theory.
B
The
higher
key,
the
thousand
brains
theory,
which
is
new
mentis
theory
that
we're
pushing
on
that
we
think
is
going
on
in
the
cortex.
Is
that
this
object
recognition
is
happening
in
every
cortical
column,
no
matter
what
level
of
the
hierarchy
it
is.
So
what?
When
you're,
observing
a
cup
there?
It's
not
like
a
construction
of
feature
extracted
extracted
features
going
up
a
hierarchy.
It's
that
even
the
lowest
levels
of
the
hierarchy
are
guessing.
What
this
is,
is
it
a
cup?
B
But
what
Mark
said
so?
It
adds
if
you
have
no
the
idea
of
cortical
columns.
It's
it's
talking
about
the
lateral
connections
between
them
so
that
they
can
all
share.
If
you
add
that
lateral
connectivity,
then
you
get
this
idea
that
all
of
them
are
using
their
own
input,
doing
the
creating
their
object
model
using
and
we
think
they're
using
you
know,
locations
in
space
using
grid
cell
type
type
of
techniques
and
stuff.
So
that
is
at
a
in
a
nutshell.
B
A
A
B
B
B
This
quote
really
picked
up
on
all
this
happening
in
a
part
of
the
brain
that
people
used
to
think
cared
about
much
lower
level
information,
so
I
I
was
hoping
that
meant
v1,
but
apparently
it
does
not
mean
v1.
So
I
would
like
to
see
evidence
of
objects,
sort
of
classification
or
object
representation
happening
at
all
levels
of
the
hierarchy,
so
in
v1
through
v4.
I
would
like
something
like
this
to
be
able
to
identify
like
this
distinct
object
representations,
not
just
like
feature
extraction.
B
B
I
understand
that
can
inform
us
about
maybe
what
type
what
mechanisms
are
happening
like
if
you
apply
this
molecule.
It
causes
this
thing
to
happen,
and
then
you
think
differently.
You
know
like
that
might
be
a
entrance
into
that
might
be
a
clue
and
like
what
to
research,
but
its
but
I'm,
not
really
research
and
me
on
that
type
of
stuff.
B
B
People
that
are
skeptical
that
grid
cells
have
anything
to
do
with
spatial
processing.
You
don't
that
somebody.
Some
camps
still
say
that
they
could
be.
It
could
be
due
to
other
things.
They
say:
denoising
I,
don't
know,
I
didn't
find
I
think
it
probably
has
to
do
a
spatial
processing,
but
it's
really.
A
B
To
point
that
direction,
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
just
we're
just
accidentally
finding
that
property
it
that
mechanism,
that
that
creates
the
spatial
mapping
of
space.
No,
that
could
be
a
mechanism
that
does
other
things
too
right
it
could.
It
could
be
used
in
other
ways
that
could
be
used
for
denoising
as
well.
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
general
the
grittiness
aspect
of
it.
Is
this
like
it's
brilliant,
it's
elegant,
it's
beautiful
right!
It's
like
beautiful
math!
You
know
when
you
think
about
it.
B
It's
like
the
beautiful
application
of
math
that
biology
has
done
and
it
may
be
used
for
more
than
just
mapping
space
right.
It
could
be
I'll
see
what
hot
okay
I
don't
remember
where
I
was
trying
to
catch
up
a
pinup
mark
says
opinions
vary
on
how
much
object
recognition
is
done
in
each
column.
Some
think
it's
fractional
object
recognition,
but
that's
just
me,
and
not
really.
The
men
said
yeah
mark
mark
can
admit
to
have
differing
opinions
on
this
and
there's,
and
but
we
still
welcome
him
and
our
into
our
community.
B
If
you
guys,
don't
totally
agree
with
what
the
new
minted
position
isn't
anything,
that's
no
reason
to
go
away.
Our
forums
are
really
totally
friendly.
Mark
Browns
has
been
a
really
well-respected
member
of
our
forum
and
he's
got
like
a
core
disagreement
with
us
and
that's
totally
fine.
We
discuss
it
live.
We
discuss
it
on
the
forum
he'll.
Sometimes
we
have
hangouts
and
we
discuss
this
type
of
thing.
It's
an
intellectual
intellectual
discussion
is
welcomed
with
it.
We
do
not
push
away
opposing
opinions.
B
I
hope
nobody
thinks
that
but
yeah
the
forms
a
nice
place
to
get
involved
in
these
type
of
thoughts,
and
that
is
forum
I
made
to
do
this
forum.
If
you
want
to
see
the
link
to
it
there,
it
is
what
else
have
I
missed
great
cells
have
been
detected
in
several
places
in
the
cortex,
mostly
hub
areas,
there
are
placed
cells
in
v1,
recently
discovered
hey.
If
you
can
post
a
link
to
that,
but
I
I
missed
that
if
they're
placed
cells
in
v1
that
would
be
cool.
B
B
B
You're
saying
you
don't
know:
BCI
is
brain
control
interface,
our
brain!
Doesn't
it
brain
control?
It's
it's
not
like
something
attaches
to
your
brain,
to
control,
something
and
like
open
BCI
is
one
that
I've
had
experience
with
before
we've
played
around
with,
but
there's
a
bunch
of
them
now.
Yeah.
Remember.
B
Those
like
Jedi
toys
that
you
put
stuff
out
of
your
head
and
they've
a
concentrate
really
hard,
and
this
ping-pong
ball
will
float
up
in
the
air.
It's
easy
to
do
it
to
create
something
like
that
that
just
responds
to
like
blood
flow
in
certain
ways
that,
if
you're
concentrating
on
on
something
like
it's
probably
responding
more
to
the
muscles
that
then
your
brain.
But
anyway.
B
B
Have
you
thought
much
about
how
spatial
relationships
get
used
as
metaphors
for
more
complex,
non-physical
kinds
of
thinking,
all
the
time,
I
think
about
that
I
think
I,
think
about
how
I
represent
ideas
and
how
they're
related
to
other
ideas
and
how
some
ideas
feel
similar
to
others,
because
they
just
fit
together
and
because
they're
complementary
in
some
ways.
I
think
that
the
better
you
can
map
abstract
ideas
to
physical,
sensations,
the
better
you
can
understand
them,
the
better.
B
You
can
create
analogies
to
things
that
you
know
how
to
interact
with
in
the
world
the
better
you
understand
them
as
how
our
brain
works.
So
if
we
can
take
a
process
and
apply
an
analogy
that
links
it
to
sensory
experience,
we
can
understand
that
process.
Better
I
think
all
these
things
are
done
and
location-based
space
and
are
in
our
minds
like
abstract,
location-based
space.
B
What
does
the
gravity
vector
of
head
Direction
cells
mean
in
the
abstract
space,
just
a
reference
vector
that
HD
cells
within
a
module
can
agree
upon
hello.
This
is
tricky.
I
mean
this.
Is
research
stuff,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
I'm
not
doing
that
research
I'm
just
watching
it.
Just
like
you
guys.
Okay,
so
don't
take
this
as
like
the
new
mentis
viewpoint
on
gravity
but
I
like
the
gravity
vector
idea,
because
it's
it
always.
It
makes
sense
to
me
that
every
object
that
you
interact
with
has
a
an
orientation.
B
That's
based
on
what
on
this
force
that
pulls
it
downward
I
mean
things
look
different
upside
down
than
I.
Do
right-side
up
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
we
do
as
three
dimension
beings
that
move
through
this
three-dimensional
space
is
learn
that
vector
that
pull
right.
That's
one
of
the
properties
of
space
around
us,
so
we
have
to
learn
that
vector
and
it's
one
of
the
very
general
things
that
we
learn
about
space.
B
It's
a
property
of
the
space
around
us,
so
I
think
to
answer
your
question:
what
are
the
gravity
vectors
of
head
Direction
cells
mean
in
an
abstract
space,
an
abstract
space
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
sure,
I
think
that
they
think
that
there
were
sort
of
associating
the
gravity
vector
with
an
object,
orientation
or
a
way
to
orient
an
object.
So
there's
the
orientation
of
of
an
object
like
this
and
then
there's
the
orientation
of
your
sensors
as
you
intersect
the
object.
B
See
this
like
this
and
the
gravity
vector
straight
up
and
down.
If
you
see
it
like
that,
you
know
it's
tilted,
you
know,
that's
not
the
way
it
usually
is
gravity
doesn't
work
like
that
gravity
won't
allow
something
to
sit
like
that.
It'll
move
like
that
or
fall
over.
So
that's
part
of
learning.
The
gravity
vector
is:
how
does
it
affect
different
types
of
objects?
B
B
I'm
gonna
talk
to
Jeff
about
this
in
an
upcoming
podcast
that
when
I
edited
last
week-
and
he
talks
a
little
about
mathematics
as
an
abstract
conceptual
space
and
how
you
can
have
a
data
space
and
then
you
apply
a
function
to
that
data
space
and
it's
a
transformation.
That's
like
a
movement.
That's
like
a
vector
displacement
that
moves
to
another
data
space,
and
so
you
can.
You
can
sort
of
associate
mathematical
functionality
with
movement
through
space
as
well,
and
you
have
to
remember
this
space
is
huge.
B
It's
huge
like
even
in
the
space
you're
using
to
represent
just
this.
Can
it
goes
on
it's
it's.
It's
a
huge
amount
of
space
we've
just
it
goes
on
for
a
long
long
way,
I
mean
there's,
there's
almost
no
limit
to
the
complexity
of
the
objects
that
you
can
construct
in
your
brain,
because
you
break
them
down
into
sub
components
and
you
go
down
lower,
lower,
lower
detail.
Each
one
of
those
has
its
own
object
space.
Each
one
is
in
it
has
its
own
object
space
and
each
one
of
those
objects.
B
Spaces
is
the
same
space.
That's
huge,
okay,
sorry,
I'm,
just
like
blabbering
and
not
keeping
up
with
chat,
let's
see
where
it
mentions
v1
in
the
paper
it
Donald
it
does
not
what
paper
you
talking
about
if
it
was
the
one
with
the
not
place
cell
activity.
Oh
yeah
play
selectivity
yeah.
If
it
doesn't
mention
v1
that
would
be
troubling,
so
it
really
will
help
for
computers
to
have
movement
and
sensory
interaction
with
the
world.
B
Yes,
we're
not
going
to
create
intelligent,
non-biological
systems
until
they
have
a
way
to
move,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
physical.
It
can
be
a
virtual
space,
it
could
move
through
a
virtual
game
environment
it
could,
it
could
move
through
a
network,
it
could
go
through
nodes
in
the
internet
that
could
have
the
web.
It
could
be
a
web
crawler.
You
know
that's
if
it
has
the
ability
to
make
decisions,
and
it's
decisions
affect
the
senses.
The
sensory
input
that
it
gets.
B
A
B
Trying
to
keep
up
how
stressful
recognizing
rotating
objects
do
astronauts
have
trouble.
Recognizing
rotating
objects.
No,
but
I
mean
you
could
do
a
thought
experiment.
If
you
say,
if
you
could,
how
hard
would
it
be
if
a
picture
of
a
guitar
flashed
in
front
of
you
like
this?
How
quickly
would
your
brain
recognize
it
versus?
If
a
guitar
flashed
in
front
of
you
like
this
it
would,
you
would
have
to
you,
wouldn't
immediately
say:
oh,
that's
a
guitar,
because
because
it
you
don't
usually
see
guitars
like
this.
B
Unless
the
rock-and-roll
guitarist
is
swinging,
it
downward
right.
This
isn't
a
natural
orientation
for
a
guitar,
so
your
brain
has
to
almost
do
a
little
bit
of
a
double
take
like
will.
Oh
it's
just
a
guitar.
Turning
around
you
know,
so
I
think
you
can
do
that
experiment
with
several
objects
that
you
don't
ever
see
like
a
horse.
Imagine
a
horse
upside
down.
It
might
be
a
little
off-putting
at
first
because
you
never
see
feet
over
a
horse's
back.
You
never
see
a
horse's
feet
over
its
back.
That's
crazy!
That
never
happens
in
nature.
B
You've,
you've
only
seen
that
if
you
happen
to
be
looking
at
a
book
from
the
other
side,
well,
someone
else
was
reading
it
or
something
like
that,
and
in
that
case
you
know
to
change
the
orientation,
because
you
can
see
that
it's
upside
down.
You
know
the
context,
provides
an
upside
down
horse
for
you
to
analyze.