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Right
motion
carries
thank
you.
We
do
not
have
anything
under
the
consent
agenda
on
our.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
We
need
to
go
back
to
public
comment.
Is
there
anybody
from
the
public
wishing
to
speak
to
items
on
the
agenda?
Yeah?
Oh,
please
come
to
the
head
of
the
table
and
state
your
name
and
community,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
address
this
board.
E
E
That's
a
real
problem
for
me
as
well
the
fact
that
they're
still
going
to
proceed
with
additional
raises,
even
though,
as
I
recall
last
september,
the
executives
were
supposed
to
be
excluded
from
the
raises.
I
think
that's
what
mr
woodward
had
promised
miss
gershon
back
then
I've
never
seen
evidence
that
that
was
removed
or
they
were
taken
back
to
zero
for
the
2021.
So
I
would
definitely
like
clarification
that
this
is
not
including
again
the
executives
to
get
an
additional
two
percent.
E
In
addition
to
the
other
people,
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
with
the
forfeiture
to
funds
and
the
way
the
funds
are
being
used
for
mental
health.
The
fact
that
united
way's
presenters
said
that
the
low
income
free
lunch
was
the
first
basis
used
to
determine
mental
health
need
is
very
disconcerting.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
it.
E
I
think
we
have
a
very
concerning
issue
where
we're
bringing
a
lot
of
california
programs
into
oakland
county.
The
senior
program
was
from
san
francisco.
This
one
school
and
program
was
bomber
was
paying
a
third.
Those
are
all
progressive,
california-based
ideologies
that
are
not
really
suitable
in
this
environment
and
this
community
we
do
not
want
critical
race
theory
told
to
our
children.
E
Theories
are
not
real
they're,
not
reality,
and
we
should
not
be
disadvantaging
all
of
our
children
to
make
them
feel
insufficient,
no
matter
what
race
they
are,
no
matter
what
their
situation
is.
It
needs
to
be
fair
for
all
and
free
for
all,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
preserving
citizens
rights
and
not
giving
away
our
citizens
rights
to
illegal
immigrants,
and
that's
what
I
see
happening
in
a
lot
of
areas.
E
There's
too
much
money,
that's
being
given
without
any
recourse
and
without
the
comprehension
that
to
give
someone
a
free
house
doesn't
help
them
maintain
it.
They
need
to
learn
to
maintain
it
to
work
towards
that.
Otherwise,
they'll
lose
it
anyway,
so
these
whole
ideologies
with
these
welfare
programs,
where
you're
trying
to
put
all
the
apartments
in
on
nice
areas.
That's
my
fourth
house.
Why
should
I
have
to
have
my
community
iodor
destroyed
because
they
want
to
tear
down
all
the
woods?
No
more
of
the
wildlife?
Thank
you.
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A
G
H
Oh
good
morning,
sorry,
just
yes,
we
wanted
to
replace
with
new
equipment
for
our
downlink
system
for
the
aviation
units.
That's
what
this
proposal
is
all
about.
Well,
we
would
appreciate
your
support
this.
This
is
needed.
We
could
have
used
it
at
oxford.
We
didn't
have
it
in
place.
H
So
when
we
get
these
calls
fairly
regularly,
I've
got
a
few
stats
here,
looking
at
it
for
outside
of
our
contracted
areas.
For
last
year,
there
were
at
least
50
call
outs
for
our
aviation
unit
over
the
last
year
for
various
types
of
things
missing
person,
active,
shooters,
suicidal
missing,
so
this
device
will
then
it's
used
in
accordance
with
the
emergency
operations
center,
so
the
video
can
be
seen
from
the
helicopter
into
that
center
and
it
would
benefit
the
county.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
when
I
appreciate
everyone
being
here
this
morning
afternoon
when
I
read
this
resolution
you're
looking
at
technology
right,
so
representative
surveillance
live
surveillance,
feed.
The
one
question
I
did
have
was:
what
is
the
difference
between
what
a
helicopter
can
do
when
it
comes
to
technology
versus
a
drone.
H
The
fact
that
it
can
stay
up
for
four
hours
compared
to
drones,
they
can't
they
can't
fly
that
long.
I
mean
there
is
video,
depending
on
the
type
of
drone
that
you
have.
There
is
video
that
you
can
get
from
the
drone
sure,
but
the
length
of
time
and
how
high
it
can
go.
Drones
are
limited
to
their
height
as
far
as
how
they
can
fly
and
the
helicopter
is
not
so
that
and
again
the
length
of
time
they
can
stay
up.
Okay,.
F
There's
there's
one
in
pontiac:
these
are
different
sizes,
though
there's
one
in
the
traffic
unit
for
crash
reconstruction.
It's
a
smaller
drone
hover
over
the
crash
scene.
That's
all
it
does,
there's
one
for
swat.
It's
a
medium-sized
drone
and
I
think
that's
all.
There
is
right
now
they're
yeah.
That
should
be
it
right
now
and.
H
G
So
was
there
any
discussion
on
looking
at
potentially
utilizing
the
drones
that
we
do
have
with
this
technology?
So.
F
The
video,
depending
on
which
drone
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
put
firstnet
sim
card,
so
the
sim
card
in
your
phone,
putting
that
inside
the
drones,
which
is
not
an
issue
once
it's
in
there.
It
can
throw
that
video
feed
to
this
system,
which
then
stores
the
video
and
also
throws
the
video
out
to
users.
F
So
that's
the
big
thing
here:
the
current
system-
that's
in
there
is
over
six
years
old
and
is
non-functional
anymore,
so
the
helicopter
can
go
up
and
then
it
can
tell
you
on
the
radio,
hey,
I'm
seeing
him
he's
running,
or
I
see
this
person
who's
lost
somewhere
or
I
see
the
damage
or
I
see
the
person
running
through
here
or
there,
but
it
you
can't
get
the
video
of
it.
So
in
this
case
it
will
throw
the
video
to
whoever
we
want
to
see
the
video.
So
it
can
be
police
fire
ems.
F
You
can
watch
it.
All
I
have
to
do
is
give
you
the
link,
give
you
the
sign
on
and
you
can
watch
it
on
here.
You
can
watch
it
on
there.
You
can
watch
it
on
a
desktop.
You
know
whatever,
and
so
that
way
you
can
manage
that
better
and
as
decision
makers,
you
can
see
what's
happening
in
your
area
of
responsibility
and-
and
I
think
that
you
know
for
for
a
department,
our
size
and
a
lead
agency
for
the
county.
You
know
it's,
it's
appropriate
sure.
We
have
really
great
partners
here.
F
G
Appreciate
the
information,
the
final
question
I
have
is:
is
there
a
reason
of
urgency
of
bringing
this
forward
now,
rather
than
waiting
for
our
budget
hearings
here
happening
in
just
a
few
months?
So,
what's
the
difference
of
waiting
until
we
have
budget
hearings
for
our
next
fiscal
year,
budget
versus
bringing
it
forward
right
now,.
H
My
understanding
is,
we
did
try
to
get
this
done
previously
and
it
got
sidetracked.
I
think
right
before
oxford
and
we
could
have
used
it
for
oxford.
So
we
don't
want
to
wait
any
longer,
we'd
like
to
have
it
as
soon
as
we
can
to
have
it
in
case.
Another
incident
occurs,
and
I
don't
not
one
of
what
kind
of
one
up,
but.
I
C
Question
and
a
comment:
I
support
this
resolution
because
I
think
the
important
part
is
that,
like
you've
suggested
people
can
that
need
to
see
it
will
see
it
in
real
time.
I
think
that's
really
important.
Second,
I
understand
there's
a
law
that
says
how
high
a
drone
can
you
can
let
it
fly
does
that
same
law
apply
to
the
sheriff's
department
or
they're
allowed
to
fly
higher
than
a
normal
person
who
might
have
a
drone.
H
C
J
F
You
do
have
a
host
of
issues
with
drones
right
now.
Drones
are
not
where
we
would
like
them
to
be
unless
it's
a
military
drone
which
is
going
to
be
the
same
cost
as
a
helicopter.
You
know
you
just
don't
have
the
flight
time.
You
have
in
some
cases
because
we
have
a
small,
medium
large
drone.
You
have
12
minutes
of
flight
time
on
the
larger
drone.
You
have
30
minutes
on
the
smaller
drone,
so
you
know
just
like
electric
vehicles
right.
F
If
we
can
sometime
in
the
future
here,
enhance
that
battery
life
and
and
time
on
task,
then
that's
that's
where
we
need
to
be
one
of
the
other
problems
is:
is
that
they're
unmanned?
So
the
faa
is,
you
know
cautious
about
this,
and
you
have
to
have
a
pilot
and
an
observer,
and
you
have
to
really
make
sure
that
you
don't
lose
line
of
sight,
whether
that's
with
binoculars
or
the
naked
eye.
F
5G
is
not
where
you
think
5g
is,
and
it
probably
won't
be
for
another
three
to
five
years,
it's
in
pockets,
but
it's
not
what
we
all
want
and
it's
the
same
thing
drones
just
aren't
where
they
need
to
be.
Electric
vehicles
aren't
where
they
need
to
be,
but
we're
trying
right
everyone's
trying
to
increase
that.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
the
first,
whereas
in
this
resolution,
states
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
u.s
and
throughout
the
world
are
using
helicopter
video
observation
systems.
Do
you
know
of
any
other,
because
I
believe
southfield
has
a
helicopter
or
had
a
helicopter,
and
do
you
know
of
any
other
cities
within
our
county?
That
may
have
a
helicopter
and
is
there
any
coordination
between
them.
F
I
don't
I
don't
think
southfield
has
one
anymore
anymore,
yeah,
just
all
we
have
unless
we
get
into
the
feds.
F
All
we
have
is
michigan
state
police,
and
then
the
city
of
detroit
was
trying
to
put
helicopters
on
task,
but
the
state
police
only
have
a
couple
of
them
and
they
are
generally
in
lansing
they're
centrally
located.
I
think
there
might
be
one
up
north
near
marquette
because
of
the
time
it
takes
to
get.
You
know
where
you
need
to
go,
but
they're.
F
It's
not
like
you
know
if
you
need
them
like,
for
example,
I
didn't
see
them
at
the
oxford
incident.
I'm
not
sure
why
I
didn't
see
them
at
the
oxford
incident.
I'm
just
saying
channel
2
was
there.
If
this
was
such
a
major
incident,
which
it
was
they
didn't
rush
over,
they
sent
patrol
cars.
God
bless
them,
but
I
didn't
see
that
that
blue
helicopter.
So
you
know,
I
don't
think
that
when
we
have
something
major
happen,
that
we
should
try
to
hope
and
pray
that
they
would
show
up.
You
know
they.
F
We
call
them
and
they
do
their
best.
I
get
it,
but
for
such
a
populated
county
for
being
the
16th
largest
sheriff's
office
in
america,
you
know,
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we're
able
to
respond
and
take
care
of
what
we
need
to
for
our
county,
and
then
it
just
so
happens
that
part
of
this
project
happens
to
reach
out
on
the
radius
much
more
than
really
we
originally
anticipated
right.
Now
we
only
have
one
receiver
on
the
water
tower.
That's
150
feet
depending
on
terrain.
F
You
know
you
you
got
to
go
higher
than
that,
so
this
second
one
here
that
we're
proposing
to
add
to
will
throw
the
radius
out
to
all
of
southeastern
michigan
from
the
detroit
river
up
into
the
thumb,
to
port
huron
even
to
the
edge
of
lansing.
That
was
not
the
intention.
The
intention
is
simply
to
make
sure
we
have
coverage
in
the
north
end
all
the
way
through
to
the
south
end,
but
it's
a
it's
a
good
byproduct
of
putting
that
that
one
antenna
on
there
that
we
get
that
kind
of
coverage.
F
So
if
anybody
ever
needed
us
for
a
serious
emergency,
if
there
was
an
oxford
oxford
style
incident,
you
know
elsewhere
in
wayne
county
or
in
macomb,
county
or
lapeer
county
or
wherever
and
they
said,
hey
help
us
there's
nobody
else
to
come.
We
could
send
them
and
we
would
get
that
video
and
we
could
throw
it
to
all
the
first
responders.
F
K
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
information,
because
that
was
part
of
my
concern.
I
was
just
wondering
about
the
ability
to
view
things
in
the
southern
end
of
the
county.
You
know
with
the
helicopters
being
yeah
housed.
F
F
So
our
proposal
was,
if
we
add
it
to
this
northern
tower
here
in
davisburg
on
dixie,
will
that
you
know
give
us
the
extra
coverage
well,
because
you're
triangulating
you've
got
one
on
the
water
tower
one
there
and
one
in
the
bird
right
flying
so
now
you
have
this
triangulation
and
that
signal
gets
thrown
out
and
you
end
up
with
that
type
of
a
radius.
I
mean
it's
not
necessary,
but
it's
a
nice
by-product.
I
mean
it
cost
us
anything.
F
It's
part
of
what
we're
doing,
but
that
kind
of
gives
you
that
kind
of
coverage.
So
no
matter
where
and
if
you're
somewhere
in
here-
and
you
want
to
see
it-
let's
see
that
incident.
Maybe
it
was
a
you
know,
another
tornado
or
something
and
it's
in
your
area,
but
you
happen
to
be
down
here
somewhere.
A
H
F
It
is
completely
at
end
of
life,
and-
and
I
know
you
don't
all
know
me,
but
I'm
into
saving
money,
so
I've
saved
over
three
million
dollars
since
2014
for
our
for
our
agency.
So
I'm
I'm
into
saving
money
and
I'm
into
reusing
things.
If
we
can-
and
I
did-
I
did
try
with
the
vendor,
can
we
reuse
a
server?
Can
we
reuse
a
router?
Can
we
reuse
anything
and
in
the
few
things
that
we
could
we
did
but
other
than
that?
F
Unfortunately,
like
anything
else,
as
you
know,
it
does
a
refresh
every
five
years
on
your
computers,
your
workstations
things
like
that.
There's
only
so
many
things
I
could.
I
could
save
you
know
to
go
forward
and
then
the
technology
is
a
little
bit
different.
It's
a
little
better.
This
particular
vendor
actually
services,
the
michigan
state
police
and
the
ohio
state
police
and
several
other
major
entities,
so
they're
very
versed
in
you
know:
law
enforcement
and
some
of
their
employees
used
to
work
for
the
company
that
we
currently
have
had
for
helenette.
F
So
they're
very
they're,
very
well-versed
in
how
this
all
works.
We
did
do
a
full
rfp
about
between
about
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
in
the
rfp
I
have
my
professional
project
manager
from
I.t,
as
always
on
all
my
projects,
and
we
also,
of
course,
put
together
a
committee,
and
that
committee
consists
not
only
of
sheriff's
employees,
but
it
consists
of
other
employees
from
it,
including
enterprise,
architects
and
security
engineers.
So
the
cso
of
this
county
had
a
person
on
this
and
ej.
F
The
enterprise
architect
had
somebody
on
this
one
of
their
senior
people
who
looked
at
the
design
and
then
when
we
went
and
voted
on
how
we
wanted
to
go
forward.
They
all
had
equal
votes,
so
we
don't
have
any
more
votes
than
they
do
and
they
decided
that
you
know
that
the
way
this
was
designed,
the
way
it
would
function
the
security
on
the
video
everything
would
be
appropriate.
So
that's
how
they
were
chosen.
It
wasn't.
F
It
wasn't,
certainly
not
a
sole
source,
and
it
wasn't
something
where
we
just
kind
of
did
a
little
look
at
them.
We
did
a
full
rfp,
okay,.
B
Next
question
is:
what
is
the
total
cost
of
this
now
and
in
the
future?
I
don't
quite
it's
kind
of
confusing.
It
says:
860
795.
I
B
F
H
Well,
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
both
of
them
up
at
the
same
time,
at
least
not
right
now,
but
we
fly
one
at
a
time,
but
we
alternate
so
that
we
can
reduce
the
maintenance
costs.
You
don't
want
to
fly
one
all
the
time,
so
they
alternate
how
they
which
one
they
fly
and
win.
So
you
can
reduce
the
wear
and
tear
on
both
of
them.
I
F
And
the
other
thing
is
that,
if
you're
going
to
capture
video,
which
is
appropriate,
the
video
when
it's
captured
should
follow
the
rest
of
our
policies
and
procedures
such
as
in-car
video,
the
new
body
cams
that
are
coming.
The
department
of
justice
standard
is
60-day
retention
on
the
low-end
180
on
the
high
end,
which
is
what
we're
doing,
and
so
we
would
do
the
same
thing
with
this
video.
It's
not
just
video
gets
thrown
somewhere.
It
needs
to
be
retained
appropriately
saved
for
the
period
of
time.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
kind
of
to
go
off
of
what
commissioner
mcgovery
had
asked.
So
it
sounds
like.
H
G
Rotate
usage
of
the
helicopters
due
to
a
strict
maintenance
schedule,
which
understandable
is
this
technology
that
is
being
requested
in
this
resolution?
Is
it
a
permanent
feature
on
a
helicopter,
or
could
it
easily
be
when
I'm
not
using
this
helicopter?
I
can
take
the
technology
off
of
this
helicopter
and
put
it
on
the
other
helicopter
that
you're
actually
using.
Is
that
an
option?
What
is
the
the
is
it
a?
F
Fixture
it
can
be
taken
off
and
put
on
a
different
helicopter
if
necessary.
But
I
mean
there
are
faa
rules,
so
it
has
to
be
fixed
if
you
will
sure
appropriately,
but
each
one
would
have
their
own
receiver
their
own
down
link.
So
they
have
a
an
actual
antenna,
that's
up
right
and
they
push
the
button
and
it
comes
down
and
then
it's
a
down
link,
but
each
one
would
have
one
was.
G
F
F
Not
not,
it
can
be
put
another
chopper
if
you
got
a
different
chopper
if
there
was
a
problem,
but
you
can't
just
you
can't
physically
do
it,
you
have
to
have
a
certified
installer.
Take
it
off,
put
it
on
the
other
one.
So
there
would
obviously
be
no
time
to
do
that.
If
you,
if
you
had
one
that
flew
for
four
hours
and
then
you
put
it
down,
it's
all
right,
let's
take
the
other
one
for
four
hours.
There
would
be
no
time
to
to.
F
You
know
what
I'm
saying
to
switch
them,
because
the
with
the
with
the
helicopters-
it's
not
like
you
and
I
right
when
we
move
something
around
in
a
car
or
a
cup
holder,
or
you
know
any
of
that
charger
for
my
phone.
You
can't
do
that.
It's
very
specialized.
I
appreciate.
L
I
had
a
two
questions,
so
one
wayne
county,
macomb
county
washington
county,
they
don't
have
helicopters.
L
H
F
F
As
you
went
north
of
59,
you
got
that
fuzzy
reception,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
servicing
the
whole
county
with
the
helicopter
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
since
the
water
tower
is
at
150
feet,
and
I
can't
change
that
is
to
go
to
this
davisburg
tower,
which
I
think
is
400
feet,
maybe
and
be
able
to.
You
know,
go
250,
let's
say
with
the
antenna.
So
now
we
have
150
250
and
a
bird
helicopter.
That's
flying!
F
Let's
say
at
it
says
right
here
up
to
a
thousand
feet,
and
so
you
have
that
triangulation
and
you
get
that
coverage
area
that
now
becomes
this
right
now
the
coverage
area
is
very
fringy
north
of
59
and
then
even
outside
the
county,
you're
only
getting
so
much
more
to
the
south
than
you
are
anywhere
else.
So
this
would
just
give
us
that
coverage,
but
it
really
it
really
is
for
anywhere.
F
J
J
I
mean
if
we
can
get
six
years
out
great
if
five
and
we're
looking
at,
I
mean
the
the
cost
of
this
on
both
units,
a
hundred
a
hundred
thousand
a
year
to
be
able
to
have
that.
What
is
the
total
maintenance
budget
for
the
helicopters,
and
I
guess
I'm
asking
in
the
context
like
was
I
mean
the
planned
obsolescence
of
these?
Do
we
build
that
into
the
maintenance
budgets
for
these
things.
I
J
I
Yes,
so
on
average
the
last
three
years
were
we're
between
like
2,
30
and
295,
as
is
an
average
year.
Obviously
we
have
bigger
like
every
five
to
six
years.
We
have
engine
overhauls
and
then
this
project
so
the
last
time
the
video
downlink
was
upgraded
or
installed
was
in
2016..
I
So
then,
obviously
that
if
you
take
a
five
year
average,
if
I
do
the
last
three
year
average,
we
have
lower
cost.
If
I
do
five
year
average,
then
we
have
higher
costs
because
of
things
like
this
but
yeah.
So
we
anticipate
every
and
obviously
our
purchasing
policies
say
that
we
can
only
have
a
contract
for
five
years,
so
we
have
to
go
out
to
bed.
We
did
not
anticipate
this
large
of
an
increase.
I
I
was
hoping
to
absorb
it
into
the
budget
and
say:
okay,
depending
on
we
didn't
know,
we
were
going
to
change
vendors
either
because,
obviously
you
go
out
to
rfp.
You
look
at
what
the
proposals
come
back
as
lieutenant
schneider
said
and
they
evaluated
them,
and
obviously
this
technology
is
far
superior
than
what
we
had
and
so
obviously
they
went
with
that
it
team
recommended
it.
I
Our
initial
conversations
on
this
were
that
I
was
anticipating
like
around
200
000,
and
I
could
absorb
that
in
the
budget
that
didn't
happen.
So
here
we
are
with
the
750
and
basically
a
upgrade
and
replacement,
and
at
that
time
I
thought
we,
you
know
we
thought
we
were
just
going
to
go.
Okay
here,
we're
out
to
bed
and
we're
maintaining,
and
you
know,
maybe
upgrading
a
little
bit,
but
not
to
this
extent.
So.
J
J
That's
maybe
something
from
the
budget
perspective
I
mean
anytime
you're
dealing
with
technology,
the
cost
is
going
to
expire
increase,
and
so,
instead
of
like
more
fixed,
we
probably
should
build
in
a
plan.
If
we're
going
to
have
two
of
these
things.
This
is
what
the
maintenance
cost.
I
mean,
I
know
rebuilding
the
engines,
and
that
was
I
mean.
That
was
a
big
pinch
too.
I
Well,
yeah
and
then
we
did
different
because
we
sold
the
aviation
fund
back
then
so
we
drained
the
aviation
fund,
use
some
grant
funding
for
that
last
engine
overhaul,
but
yeah
that's
a
great
conversation
to
have
and
we
actually
put
numbers
together
after
the
budget,
because
I
think
there
were
some
requests
after
during
the
budget
hearings
last
year
on
what
are
we
going
forward?
So
we
have
about
five
years
of
data,
what
we
anticipate
based
on
the
hour
of
the
flight
hours,
where
we're
going
to
be
so.
I
can
definitely.
J
J
I
mean
this
is
to
invest.
I
mean
this
capital
on
two
units.
If
we're
not
going
to
be,
I
mean,
and
with
the
drone
technology
and
other
things,
and
maybe
maybe
it
makes
sense
to
have
one
helicopter
and
more
drones
or
invest
in
more
high-tech
military-grade
drones
to
be
able
to
get
the
the
battery
life
or
whatever,
but
how?
How
long
does
a
helicopter
last
well.
F
I
mean
you
know
much
like
planes.
There
are
planes
that
are
still
flying
30
40
years
right
as
long
as
you
follow
the
faa
maintenance
schedules,
you
replace
things
like
you're
supposed
to
and
in
some
cases
are
complete
overhauls,
but
as
long
as
you
take
care
of
all
that,
you
can
keep
flying
them
for
many
years.
You
know
again
if,
if
the
drone
technology
was
was
more
where
we'd
like
it
to
be
it'd,
be
one
thing,
but
it's
it's
really.
F
I
mean
it's
come
a
long
way,
but
to
me
it's
not
much
different
than
a
kid
in
the
back
backyard.
With
a
drone
I
mean
you're,
not
you're,
not
getting
the
time
on
task,
and
you
know
you
don't
have
line
of
sight.
You
lose
line
of
sight.
You're
like
where
to
go.
You
know,
that's
not
good!.
J
With
my
kids
drawing
yeah
right,
it's
in
a
100
foot,
100
year
old
oak
tree
right
right,
right,
the
so
it
was
brought
up
in
the
context
that
we
take
one
up
and
take
one
down,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
this
body-
and
I
know
I
mean
I'm
sure
everybody
talked
about-
is
like
we
really
only
have
one
helicopter
in
circulation
right
now.
Right
I
mean
I
guess
so.
My
question
is:
when
is
that
other
helicopter
coming
back
into
circulation?
H
It's
it's
being
repaired,
hopefully,
right
now,
I
think
it's
in
texas.
I
H
H
F
I
C
Great
with
my
next
question
here
so.
J
On
cost
recovery,
I
mean
lieutenant
schneider
talks
about
saving
money
and
figuring
out
when
we,
when
this
gets
deployed
into
other
areas,
is
there
a
cost
arrangement
I
mean
if
we
I
mean
oakland,
county
and
oaktown
taxpayers,
taking
on
the
burden
of
the
maintenance
and
the
having
of
all
this
hardware
and
the
pilots
and
everything
if
it.
If
it's
used
in
neighboring
counties
at
the
request
of
those
respective
counties,
do
we
invoice
for
those
times?
Do
we
I
mean,
do
any
cost
recovery
on
our?
Not
to
my
knowledge.
F
We
did,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
the
oxford
incident,
I
was
at
the
meijer.
F
You
know
people
that
were
from
clearly
out
of
county
that
were
there
to
help
we,
you
know
they
wouldn't
invoice
us
and
we
wouldn't
you
know
mutual
aid
right.
Mutual
aid.
We're
not
going
to
go
to
all
these
neighboring
counties.
You
know
just
on
a
whim,
I
mean
generally
when
they
call
for
a
helicopter.
Something
bad
is
a
foot
right,
it's
not
like
they
just
don't
go
ahead.
F
Can
we
see
your
helicopter
and
actually
it
has
to
be
approved
by
a
captain,
so
we
don't
just
generally
send
it
so
we'll
say:
okay,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
serious
incident.
Okay,
we
have
a
problem
and
we'll
send
it,
but
it's
not
something
where
we
just
always
go
out
of.
You
know
out
of
our
area,
to
to
do
that
with
something,
especially
like
a
helicopter,
and
even
when
we
send
people,
we
ask
them.
F
J
You
know
supporter
of
mutual
aid
yeah
there
actually
are
cost
arrangements,
yeah
generally
with
mutual
aid.
Like
said
in
like
this
is
how
we
I
mean
help
recover
this
cost.
I
mean
I
mean
the
flip
of
it
is,
is
like
I
don't
know.
If
we've
ever
asked
the
state
for
an
appropriation
to
help,
I
mean
help
support
this.
I
mean
this.
J
I
mean
the
question
is
like
who
I
mean:
who
bears
all
the
costs
and
burden
for
for
operating
this,
and
if
we're
looking
closer
to
four
or
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
to
maintain
them,
and
that's
not
I
mean,
and
as
we
get
to
closer
end
of
life,
I
think
I
mean
the
price
tag
is
probably
going
would
probably
go
up
to
replace
these.
I
mean
with
newer
devices.
J
What's
the
long-term
way
that
we
pay
for
this,
and
that's
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
from
a
budget
perspective
from
a
public
policy
perspective,
and
I
mean
who,
particularly,
where
should
the
cost
burden
lay
on?
I
mean
I
think,
having
this
asset.
It
definitely
has
a
utility
value.
As
the
I
mean
the
examples
that
you've
raised.
At
the
same
time,
then
there
maybe
needs
to
be
a
conversation
of
like.
Where
does
that
burden
like
whose
shoulders
that
fall
on
does
it
fall
into
oakland
county,
because
the
resources
that
we
have
is
it
the
obligation?
J
A
All
right,
I
think,
we've
heard
from
just
about
everybody
we'd
like
to
vote
now
and
love
I
know
of.
Are
we
able
to
do
a
voice
vote?
C
K
L
D
A
Motion
carries.
Thank
you
don't
go
away.
Our
next
item
is
resolution
appropriating
funding
for
staffing
modifications
in
response
to
the
oxford
school
shooting
incident
and
increasing
threat
environment.
A
H
H
Another
one
would
be
dedicated
to
our
computer
crimes
unit.
Currently
right
now,
the
deputy
that's
working.
The
case
is,
he
has
other
cases
to
work
on
he's
doing
what
he
can.
Obviously
he's
focused
on
the
oxford
case.
We
would
like
to
have
someone
and
it
may
be
him
dedicated,
but
we
need
someone
to
take
his
spot
to
work
on
the
cases
he
had.
If,
unless
we
have
this
new
person
take
over
the
oxford
video
pulling
and
then
the
other
one
would
be
a
county-wide
resource
to
try
and
coordinate
training.
H
We
have
been
contacted
by
quite
a
few
organizations
since
the
oxford
incident
for
training
in
an
active
shooter
response,
I
actually
did
bring
a
list.
I
didn't
know
how
many
we
had,
but
it
looks
like
it's
in
case
people
want
copies,
29,
almost
30.,
so
there's
29
different
organizations
that
have
contacted
us
since
the
oxford
incident
requesting
training
most
recently.
I
believe
the
training
unit
did
some
training
for
clarkston
schools,
not
mistaken,
and
there's
14
schools
in
that
particular
school
district.
There
are
over
300
people
trained
in
that
session.
H
When
we
do
those,
we
send
our
training
unit
to
conduct
the
training
and
there's
no
one
left
in
the
training
unit
to
train
us.
So
we'd
like
to
have
some
dedicated
people,
because
we
have
to
have
our
normal
training.
You
know
we
for
corrections,
you
require
20
hours,
we
have
hours
required
for
patrols,
so
we
and
we
do
the
best
we
can
with
our
limited
training
staff.
So
we
need
to
have
some
people
dedicated
to
this.
We
want
to
develop
an
after-action
plan
when
you
have
an
incident
like
this.
H
It's
hard
to
just
not
look
back
and
see
what
occurred
and
then
use
that
as
a
training
resource.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
the
sheriff
has
viewed
an
incident
after
action
plan
from
parkland
and
from
sandy
hook,
and
we
want
to
develop
the
same
thing
so
that
we
can
show
other
agencies.
You
know
here's
what
happened.
Here's
the
response.
Obviously
we
all
believe
our
response
was
done
as
well
as
it
could
be.
We've
saved
lives.
H
We
want
to
learn
from
that.
There
would
have
been
some
mistakes
made.
We
want
to
learn
from
our
mistakes
and
we
can
only
do
that
with
utilizing
some
people
to
develop
that
plan.
So
that's
the
purpose
of
this
request.
I
have
brought
with
me
captain
todd
hill,
newly
promoted
and
is
in
charge
of
the
training
unit.
He
would
oversee
three
of
the
four
positions
the
fourth
one
will
be
assigned
to
computer
crimes,
so
he
between
the
two
of
us
we'd
be
able
to
answer
any
of
the
questions
you
have.
C
H
So
that
the
amount
that's
on
the
cover
page,
the
summary
page-
says
2
million
dollars.
We
don't
believe,
that's
correct.
What
really
is
in
the
now
now,
therefore,
it
be
resolved.
The
1
million
and
30
000,
I
think,
is
the
number.
That's
the
more
accurate
cost,
the
2
million
dollars
I'll
say
is
a
title
or
a
mistake
or
a
previous
version,
but
it's
not
two
million
dollars
that
we're
asking
okay.
C
I
They're
sunset
through
2024.,
so
they're
for
a
you,
know
a
shorter
amount
of
time
to
try
to
to
react
to
this
and
and
actually
get
data
and
see,
because
obviously
we
have
an
influx
of
school
threats
that
they
are
trying
to
respond
to
right.
Now
that
that
the
current
staff
cannot,
you
know
they
can't
handle
this,
this
load
right
now.
So
this
is
a
right
now,
it's
a
temporary
request
to
hey
get
these
in
place.
I
Get
all
of
this
video
get
this
after
action
plan
get
the
trainings
in
place
for
all
of
these,
because
we
can
get
one
request
from
a
school
district
but,
like
the
undersheriff
said,
there's
multiple
buildings.
So
it's
not
just.
It
could
be
one
request,
but
there's
multiple
facets
to
it,
and
we
just
don't
have
the
staffing
for
that.
I
So
yes,
there
it's
four
positions,
two
vehicles
and
then
the
support,
obviously
the
the
support
that
goes
along
the
operating
that
goes
along
with
you
know,
building
out
the
vehicles
cell
phones,
laptops
that
sort
of
thing,
but
they're
sunset
through
2024.,
and
if
you
look
at
the
resolution,
the
the
costs
were.
I
think
that
two
million
included
did
not
include
prorating
for
2024
and
it
was
since
updated.
So
the
budget
amendment
is
correct
from
fiscal
services
and
so
was
the
resolution,
but
the
the
cover
page
for
the
board
analysis.
C
C
I
M
So
I'm
the
analyst
and
if
you
so,
I
added
up
all
the
amounts
that
are
in
the
resolution.
So
I
don't
know,
and
those
are
all
for
three
years
those
are
not.
This
is
so.
This
is
for
2022
2023
and
2024
fiscal.
M
As
you
know,
it's
now
there
foreign
is
1.0
30
million
and
then
there's
one
time
appropriation
of
848
000
and
then
also
there's
an
amount
of
182.
So
I
just
added
what
was
in
the
resolution.
I'm
not
saying
it's
for
one
year,
it
was
for
all
the
endurance
to
the
sunset,
the
whole
cost.
The
skr
correctly
said
the
cars
and
everything.
H
M
I
M
I
M
C
J
C
So
this
money
is
for
the
support
and
the
four
positions
supporting
the
fourth
position
with
vehicles,
whatever
else
they
need
and
the
positions
themselves,
that's
what
we're
voting
on.
That's
will
be
one
million.
Thirty
thousand
eight
hundred
ninety
eight
dollars,
yes,
okay,
if
that's
correct,
but
long
as
we
get
it
in
there.
So
we
know
what
we're
voting
on.
Thank
you
thank.
J
Yeah
what
clarification
I
mean.
I
have
a
few
questions.
Oh
go
ahead,
so
I
mean
first
thing
like
in
terms
of
I:
in
the
wake
of
the
oxford
incidents
and
increased
training,
I
think
everyone
supports
and
I
think
we
want
to
figure
out
what's
the
best
way
to
deliver
that
from
a
funding
source.
I
know
that
this
pulls
out
of
the
oxford
response
when
we
set
those
dollars
up.
That
was,
I
mean
the
dollars
there
are
helping
address.
J
The
mental
health
needs
of
I
mean
students
and
families
directly
impacted
prosecution
of
the
case,
anything
directly
tied
to
it.
J
I
realize
that
this
conversation
is
kind
of
a
result
of
that,
but
this
is
this
is
beyond
which
I
think
is
probably
more
appropriately
oxford
induced
or
developed
in
the
in
the
wake
of
oxford,
but
not
necessarily
specific
to
it.
So
if
we're
gonna,
if
we
are
going
to
appropriate
some
dollars,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
pulling
out
of
the
oxford
response
fund,
because
there
might
we
I
mean
the
five
million
dollars
would
be
sat
in
there
and
there's
roughly
about
a
million
dollars
left
in
there
like.
J
That
should
be
reserved
until
we
get
through
this
oxford
stuff
and
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
the
mental
health
needs
in
the
community
and
all
the
other
appropriate
stuff.
There
is
also
additional
state
dollars
that
we
hope
to
be
brought
down
that
can
help
make
this
whole.
So
that's
a
one
thing
that
I
think
needs
to.
I
mean
be
adjusted
here.
J
To
find,
I
mean
a
different
funding
source
from
the
general
fund
to
do
whatever
we
do
without
draining
that
to
zero
when
there
may
be
some
additional
direct,
oxford
response,
because
this
reaches
far
beyond
that
on
the
training
aspects.
So
I
mean
29
organizations
asking
for
requests
are
those
mostly
school
districts.
N
Yes,
sir
they're
mostly
school
districts,
and
if,
if
I
may
expand
a
little
bit
more
on
on
what
the
undersheriff
was
talking
about,
one
example
of
of
the
combined
or
the
complicated
request
is
say.
For
instance,
we
had
a
school
district
last
month
that
wanted
to
do
their
training
on
one
day,
which
is
very
reasonable.
It's
a
day
that
the
students
aren't
in
class
and
they
were
at
multiple
locations
requiring
multiple
instructors.
Where
we
normally
would
say,
hey
school
resource
officer,
can
you
help
out?
N
They
can't
be
in
14
different
locations
at
the
exact
same
time,
even
next
either.
Next
week
we
have
oakland
schools,
although
it's
listed
one
time
as
a
request.
Really
it's
going
to
be
six
times
in
two
days
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
training
because
they're
doing
multiple
sessions
throughout
the
entire
day.
So
I
think
it's
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
even
just
the
sheer
number
isn't
the
amount
of
training
that
we're
delivering.
N
If
I
may,
actually,
mr
woodward
go
back,
I
will
also
add
that,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
debate
on
where
funding
sources
should
come
from.
But
to
be
quite
frank,
the
training
was
needed
well
before
oxford
incident,
and
actually
the
training
helps
give
some
mental
confidence
back
to
both
the
staff
and
the
students.
N
When
we
start
talking
about
facts
and
figures
and
and
being
proactive
in
their
training,
whether
it
be
there's
a
couple
of
pr
prior
proprietary
courses
like
alice,
avert
alert,
but
we
basically
depending
on
what
that
school
district
or
what
that
particular
agency
teaches.
N
We
have
instructors
that
are
certified
in
in
all
those
areas
and
when
they're
not
using
a
proprietary
measure,
we
just
teach
a
basic
run
height
fight
and
by
giving
them
the
confidence
and
tell
them
the
statistics
about
the
fact
that
you
can
increase
survivability
by
by
over
90
percent
by
just
actually
doing
something
and
by
moving
by
then
making
noise
and
throwing
objects
and
being
able
to
defend
yourself
and
not.
N
Let
yourself
be
a
victim
that
actually
goes
back
into
some
a
lot
of
confidence
and
it
helps
remove
the
anxiety
from
the
students
themselves.
So
and
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
debate
where
that
comes
from,
but
I
I
think
that
that's
important
to
know
yeah
and.
J
I
think
from
a
training
aspect
I
mean
it's
me
as
a
father
of
young
kids,
I'm
angry
that
we
have
to
do
these
training
in
schools.
I
think
it
also
has
an
anxiety-inducing
effect
that
I
mean,
and
I've
experienced
that
personally
from
I
mean,
like
my
own
children,
and
but
this
is
the
state-
that's
the
world
that
we're
in
and
clearly
and
oxford.
I
mean,
I
think,
demonstrated
that
when
you
have
the
training
in
place,
how
to
respond
and
and
probably
in
all
likelihood
contributed
to
a
reduction
in
what
the
tragedy
could
have
been.
J
So
I
mean,
I
don't
think
anyone
disagrees
with
the
training
aspect,
but
one
thing
that
I
mean,
I
guess
struggling
is
not
the
right
word
and
they
asked
her
on
the
sro
training,
a
coordinating
role,
so
you've
got
a
number
of
policing
units
that
they
have
their
own
sro
officers
they
do.
Training
like
is
the
idea
to
envision
collective
training.
I
mean
across
the
county,
potentially
maybe
even
standardization,
because
I
know
you're
right
school
districts
have
different
programs
I'll
leave
it
to
the
experts
to
say
which
one's
the
best
one
and
I'll.
J
Let
you
like
weigh
in
that,
don't
you
have
to
actually
ask
right
there
I
would
like
before
we
create
a
position.
Is
that
is
that
the
best
way
to
do
the
coordination?
Is
it
I
mean
better?
To
put
up,
I
mean
a
set
of
funds
so
that
individual
school
districts
can
hire,
who
I
mean
what
they
want
if
it's
they're
used
working
with
their
local
law
enforcement
or
whatever
is
that?
Is
that
the
best
way
to
get
the
training
out
to
as
many
people
as
possible?
J
I
see
gm
just
got
a
a
massive
tax
cut.
They
can
pay
for
their
own
training
and.
N
Traditionally
we
we
had
not
been
before
oxford.
We
traditionally
do
not
teach
anyone,
that's
not
a
non-profit,
a
house
of
warship
or
or
a
church
and
and
even
then
we're
very,
very
limited
and
and
quite
frankly,
we
put
the
priorities
to
schools,
house
of
warships
in
non-profit
organizations,.
J
To
be
comfortable
with
a
dedicated
person,
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see
other
mousse,
or
at
least
some
intent
and
direct
outreach
to
local
school
districts
to
say,
okay.
N
Capacity,
we
don't
actively
advertise,
and
that's
just
that's
just
this
month
that
doesn't
include
last
month
that
doesn't
include
the
month
before,
and
that
certainly
is
not
gonna
that
that's
not
even
april
and
again
when
you
build
it,
they
they
come.
N
So
when
I
say
this
yeah
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
I
just
think
that
the
the
amount
of
what
you
normally
would
task
and
ask
a
school
resource
officer
to
assist
with
and
and
to
bring
it
to
your
point,
not
everybody's,
a
good
instructor
and-
and
so
it's
really
important
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
instructors
that
are
that
are
delivering
this
information
and
that's
what
the
training
unit
does,
because
we
don't
want
to
cause
more
post-traumatic
stress
by
inducing
this
training
or
teaching
people
in
kids
and
students.
N
But
I
think
it's
if
oxford
has
taught
us
two
things.
One
is
the
value
and
importance
for
the
sheriff's
office
to
have
training,
and
you
touched
a
little
bit
about
it
collectively
we
have
unified
tactics
that
we
utilize
and
we
work
hand-in-hand
with
the
oak
tech
organization
regarding
the
the
unified
tactics
that
we
use
for
police
response.
In
fact,
it
was
quite
unique
within
one
minute
of
my
being
there
and,
and
we
established
a
incident
command
post
in
the
lobby.
N
We
called
about
200
officers
back
into
the
lobby
and
within
less
than
three
to
five
minutes,
another
hunter
joined
us
and
they
all
married
up
into
different
groups
where
there
was
at
least
one
dedicated
deputy
from
the
sheriff's
office.
So
we
had
direct
communication
with
each
group
that
went
out
and
conducted
what
we'll
call
as
really
the
the
the
secondary
search
of
the
the
the
building.
As
you
know,
the
oxford
is
holds
approximately
1800
students.
N
Just
in
that
secondary
search,
we
were
able
to
gather
between
150
200
kids
that
were
still
locked
down
at
that
particular
time.
So
those
are
the
type
of
unified
tactics
that
we
would
like
to
see
and,
to
be
quite
frank,
all
one
all
each
of
these
priority
proprietary
organizations,
they
really
all
teach
the
same
thing
and
that
is
to
value
human
life
and
do
anything
you
can
to
preserve
it.
And
so,
when
you
have
the
right
instructors,
teaching
that
I
think
that's
important.
The
undersheriff
had
mentioned
and
I'll
finish
up,
a
promise.
N
The
honor
sheriff
had
mentioned
the
amount
of
tasks
that
the
sros
are
are
doing
right
now,
all
they
are
doing
is
literally
going
from
from
complaint
or
threat
to
threat.
They
barely
have
time
to
be
regular
sros
in
the
school.
J
Right,
well,
I
mean,
along
those
same
lines
like
what's
the
best
way
to
deploy
that,
because
I
mean
different
jurisdictions
have
trained,
I
mean
they
send
their
sro
officer
to
training.
My
sense
is
that
it
might
be.
I
mean
openness
and
willingness.
I
mean
you
got
20
local
school
districts,
62
local
communities,
I'm
sure
that
there's
some
differential
opinions
on
which
is
the
best
training.
What
should
be,
but
to
the
extent
that
we
could
get
some
standardized
training.
J
I
think
that
there's
value
I
would
like
to
see
like
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
that
we're
going
to
able
to
be
able
to
deliver
all
of
this
to
all
of
our
our
local
school
districts,
and
not
I
mean
not
kind
of
a
first
come
first
serve,
but
that
we
can
provide
it
at
a
level
of
scale
and
figure
out
what
that
is
as
well.
As
I
mean
deliberation.
What's
the
mechanism
of
of
delivery,
one
thing
that
came
people.
N
I'm
sorry
with
the
implementation
of
these
positions,
we
would
be
able
to
do
that.
We
wouldn't
be
just
answering
the
phone.
The
only
reason
we're
answering
the
phone
and
adding
them
to
the
list
is
because
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
to
to
go
out
and
do
that
training
having
these
dedicated
people.
We
can
then
liaison
with
oakland
schools
with
the
school
superintendents
with
the
local
agencies,
and
we
can
do
exactly
what
you're
asking.
N
One
with
that
dedicated
job
now
again,
that's
then
utilizing
those
two
that
are
going
around
teaching
and
bringing
in
outside
instructors
and
helping
to
coordinate
that
we
don't
just
have
two
dedicated
active
shooter
civilian,
active
shooter
instructors,
I'd
probably
be
speaking
a
little
out
of
term,
but
I
think
we
just
at
the
sheriff's
office,
we
we
have
trained
between
50
and
maybe
75
civilian
active
shooter
instructors
that
go
out
and
support.
The
problem
is
they're
not
always
available
and
they
have
full-time
jobs.
N
We
could
then
utilize
the
other
agency's
instructors,
just
like
we
do
in
oak
tech,
just
like
we
do
in
the
the
active
shooter
response
for
policing
and
that
they
can
then
work
together
and
develop
the
plans
and
programs,
because
the
other
thing
that
the
sro
is
doing
is
also
making
sure
that
each
school
has
their
emergency
action
plan
on
file
with
their
local
jurisdiction,
along
with
all
the
maps
and
so
forth.
And
again,
one
in
in
december
of
2000
probably
was
19
or
20.
N
When
I
responded
to
avondale-
or
I
can't
remember
what
high
school
was
in
west
bloomfield,
I
have
never
been
there
and
I
don't
have
that
map
and
I
took
a
picture
of
the
map
with
my
phone
on
the
way
in
instead
of
having
the
ability-
and
it
was
a
crude
picture-
it
wasn't
a
good
one.
N
I
should
have
took
a
little
more
time
for
that,
but
having
the
ability
to
have
those
available
for
those
responding
officers
already
on
file
with
with
the
cad
or
computer
date
dispatching
with
for
all
the
agencies
is
kind
of
important,
and
so
this
is
these
are
the
things
that
they
would
be
tasked
with
doing
is
to
unifying
all
the
different
police
agencies
and
all
the
different
schools
involved.
C
L
Thank
you,
sir.
I
just
it's
good
to
see
that
you're
already
doing
this
right.
I
saw
this
november
30th
2021
the
date
of
the
oxford
shootings
you're
already
doing
these
trainings
so
good
to
know
that
you're
already
on
it,
the
only
it's
not
really
a
question,
but
more
of
a
comment
is
fundamentally
what
we're
talking
about
from
my
understanding
is
not
whether
or
not
training
should
happen
or
not
happen.
We
all
agree
that
it
should
happen
and
what
chair
said
it
should
happen
more
rigorously.
L
J
Yeah,
thank
you
yes.
Well,
I
mean,
I
guess
like
so
I
mean.
Are
we
providing
these
trainings
like?
So
I
see
a
credit
union
on
here
I
mean.
If
the
banks
are
are
calling
that's
a
billion
dollar
credit
union.
They
definitely
can
pay
for
their
training,
they
need
to
pay
for
their
training.
So
I
mean.
Are
we
providing
this
right
now
for
free?
I
realize
this
is
a
unique
credit
union.
We
do
any
partnership
with
and
maybe
there
can
be
a
case
for
it,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
have
like
a
policy.
N
We
are
not
currently
recouping
funds
if
the
county
would
there's
no
mechanism
set
up
for
that,
I
would
say
as
a
as
being
a
training
guru
for
a
while,
I
I
would
actually
and
welcome
a
a
cost
recovery
to
help.
So
I
don't
have
to
beg
for
money
again.
I
will
tell
you
that
before
oxford,
we
we
didn't
do
anybody
that
was
not
a
not-for-profit
for
not
yeah
anybody
that
was
for-profit.
N
I
I
believe
the
direction
was
help,
help
calm
the
community
down
and
and
get
them
to
to
the
point
where
they
can
have
a
little
bit
of
sense
of
of
security
within
the
community,
and
that's
why
those
were
added
and
I'm
not
sure
at
the
direction
of
where,
but
that
was
prior
to
my
assignment,
but
depending
on
what
the
county
direction
is
and
the
direction
from
the
sheriff's
office.
I
get
we'll
figure
that
part
out
as
well.
Okay,.
J
I
mean
these
other
two.
I
mean
positions
that
I
mean.
I
guess
the
three
that
we
part
of
the
training
side.
I
mean
I
guess
I
was
on
the
impression
that,
like
the
deep
dive
developing
kind
of
the
post
assessment
from
what
I'm
hearing
I
mean,
you
say
captain
that
they
would
be
the
ones
deployed
out
into
the
world
doing
these
trainings.
N
Also,
remember
that
that
part
of
that
is
people
want
to
they
want
some
of
that
recap.
They
want
to
know
what
those
lessons
learned
are
and,
in
the
meantime,
the
computer
crimes
assignment
that
fourth
position
will
be
doing
that
that
type
of
assessment,
if
you
google,
really
any
cash,
the
incident
pulse
nightclub,
las
vegas.
Any
of
those
you
can
find
what
I
like
to
call
as
a
cartoon
that
goes
through
and
actually
analyzes
what
the
first
time.
The
call
was,
what
the
first
responder
officers
did.
N
Houston,
texas
has
it
and
they
mix
in
some
video
they
mix
in
some
some
cartoon
and
what
it
does
is
that
does
a
post
after
action,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
I'm
pretty
well
versed
in
a
number
of
these
different
things
for
the
better
part
of
10
years,
really
focusing
on
active
shooter
and
bringing
active
shooter
response
to
the
sheriff's
office,
and
part
of
that
is
going
to
different
conferences
where
we
look
at
and
go
all
the
way
back
to
charles
whitman,
back
in
the
1960s,
with
the
in
texas
and
all
the
way
to
cho
and
all
the
way
to
these
different
types,
and
because
of
that,
we
then
develop
both
officer
response
and
command
level
response.
N
And
again
I
will
tell
you
that
what
I
expect
and
what
I
would
would
imagine
this
magic
to
happen
once
that
type
of
presentation
was
completed,
that
that
there
is
also
going
to
be
a
demand
from
different
agencies,
different
school
administrators.
N
N
But
that's
the
the
primary
response-
and
I
would
then
see
depending
on
when
this
was
brought
out.
They
give
the
ability
to
then
go
around
and
start
teaching
the
leaders
of
the
communities
and
why
it's
really
important
and
and
how
this
actually
prevented.
What
we
potentially
had
was
was
more
loss
of
life.
N
I
mean
he
had
18
rounds
left
on
him.
He
had
already
I'm
aware
of
the.
J
Situation,
so
I
I
guess
so
I
mean
so
what
I'm
hearing
you
just
I
explain
like
the
creation
of
this
video.
I
mean
anything.
You
said
to
a
recap:
I
mean
that
used
for
training
purposes.
I
mean
it
can't
we
also
contract
for
the
development
of
that.
Isn't
that
how
some
of
the
other
agencies
have
done
that
they?
You
know
they
have
the
production.
N
Of
multi-million
dollar
contracts
right
so
again,
we're
talking
about
dollars
mean
if
you
want,
we
can
come
back
and
have
a
multi-million
dollar
request
that
that
would
hire
a
company
to
come
in
and
do
this.
But
I
think
we
have
the
capabilities
and
the
abilities
at
the
sheriff's
office
in
our
computer
crimes
unit
if
they
had
the
time
to
be
able
to
do
these.
J
N
It
will
not
happen,
it
will
not
be
a
rate
at
our
version
of
what
happened,
and
it
will
be
very
tasteful,
a
very
matter-of-fact
historic
event
of
the
tragedy
that
happened.
None
of
this
any
of
those
are
of
a
match.
Casualty
event
is,
is
anything
that
anybody
really
wants
to
see,
but
but
for
law
enforcement
for
for
community
leaders
for
school
leaders,
they
need
to
see
on
the
importance
and
and
and
how
well
the
training
saved
lives.
H
Right
now
we
have,
I
think,
there's
three
deputies
that
work
in
computer
crimes.
Well,
one
of
them
has
now
been
just
working
on
pulling
the
video
for
this
oxford
incident.
Working
with
for
the
prosecutor's
office.
We
need
him
to
be
able
to
do
his
other
cases
as
well,
so
this
person,
computer
crimes
would
either
take
that
over
and
continue
where
he
left
off
or
take
over
his
cases,
and
we.
J
Perceive
it
and
we
foresee
that
there
I
mean
there's
two
more
years
of
exclusive
dedication
to
experts.
I
mean
I
know
that
we've
gone,
I
mean
we've
got
plenary,
hearings
are
moving
up
and
down.
Do
we
envision,
like
two
full-time,
like
two
years
of
full-time
work,
to
gather
the
information
potentially.
H
So
between
working,
continuing
to
work
on
a
case
and
continuing
to
pull
video
and
and
also
dealing
with
current
school
threats,
we've
had
quite
a
few
that
still
come
in
since
then,
and
whether
they
come
through
facebook
or
tick
tock,
or
we
get
an
email
or
phone
call.
We
we
end
up
tasking
computer
crimes
with
hey.
Where
did
we?
Where
did
this
come
from
a
couple
of
them?
H
J
J
I
mean
I
mean
if
this
is
a
I
mean
if
someone's
time
was
dedicated
to
the
oxford
thing.
It's
probably
one
of
these
things.
That
could
I
mean
recoup
from
other
pots
of
money,
because
it's
directly
tied
to
the
oxford
incidents
and
the
I
mean
and
the
unique
type
of
things
that
the
department
of
justice
supports
the
police,
seeing
and
gathering
of
the
information,
but
doesn't
for
whatever
reason,
support
the
entire
thing.
So
there
might
be
some
cost
recovery
to
the
extent
that
that
person
position
everything
in
contact
with
me
again.
J
I'm-
and
I
have
told
the
undershirt
of
this-
that
I
can
I
mean
figure
out
a
way
to
move
forward
and
get
some
standardized
training.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
check-
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
individual
school
districts
that
they
are
going
to
be
able
to
use
this
as
well.
As
kind
of
I
mean
some
policy
in
which
we'll
prioritize
those
school
districts,
those
public
school
districts
and
charter
schools,
as
well
as
I
mean
we're
their
kids,
I
mean
like
that's.
J
The
man
is
the
top
priority.
So
I
mean
I
conceptually
I
mean
support
this.
I
also
feel
very
strongly
that
the
the
current
fund,
where
we're
calling
this
money,
is
not
the
appropriate
that
we
should
pull
it
from
another
fund
which
we
can
work
that
out
and
also
clean
it
up.
So
I'm
gonna.
I
would
recommend
that
we
take
a
couple
weeks
and
come
back
and
get
this
approved.
Then
commission.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
for
our
for
item
b,
and
I
know
the
amount
is
different.
The
amount
requested
is
one
million,
thirty
thousand
eight
hundred
and
ninety
eight
dollars.
So
we
can
vote
on
that
or
you're
sounding
like
you're
doing
an
amendment.
J
Clean
up
the
resolution
identify
the
funding
source.
I
think
it
gives
a
couple
weeks
I
mean
I
have
reached
out
to
a
couple
police
agencies
that
I
mean
didn't
know
that
this
was,
I
mean
coming
forward,
but
supportive
of
the
concept,
and
so
I
think,
there's
some
conversation
with
police
agencies
and
the
local
school
districts.
J
To
I
mean
is
this
the
optimal
life,
because
the
other
I
mean
there's
another
way
to
think
about
this?
Is
I
mean
providing
the
funding
for
the
schools
to
get
their
training?
That's
how
actually
some
school
districts
do
it
and
I
don't
know
which
is
better.
I
actually
think
some
consolidated
coordination,
standardized
approach
actually
makes
more
sense,
but
I
think
in
the
next
couple
weeks
I
think
those
conversations
can
happen
and
if
we
need
additional
resources,
I
mean
I'm
even
open
to
that
to
figure
out.
What's
the
best
way
to
do
this.
C
K
Commissioner
powell,
so,
commissioner,
what
was
just
a
question?
Are
we
seeking
with
this
training
to
still
offer
it
to
the
school
districts
and
other
entities
free,
or
is
this
something
where
some
of
these
school
districts
and
then
we'll
have
to
chip
in
to
participate?
And
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
this?
K
Because
I
understand
the
crisis
I
understand
what's
going
on,
but
coming
from
a
district
of
mine
and
I've
in
the
past,
had
several
complaints
and
or
trying
to
get
resources
to
help
in
my
school
district
and
then
start
the
other,
and
I
didn't
get
this
gratification
of
assistance
to
help
in
my
district.
So
with
that
being
said,
and
I'm
saying
that
to
say,
even
when
I
came
to
the
county
to
ask
for
the
additional
funding
and
my
district
was
struggling-
we
even
got
no
money.
K
We
didn't
have
any
money,
but
they
still
made
us
match
they.
Despite
the
situation
of
what
we
was
going
on,
they
still
made
the
city
of
pontiac
school
district
match,
whatever
we
needed
to
get
the
extra
sheriff
deputies
to
help
bring
down
the
problems
and
the
issues
that
we
were
having
in
the
school
district.
So
all
I'm
saying
too
is
moving
forward.
K
Let's
treat
every
district
the
same
and
when
a
need
is
on
the
floor
when
it's
dealing
with
any
violence
any
crime,
anything
let's
step
up
to
the
plate
for
the
same
of
that
district,
that
we're
doing
for
oxford
in
this
situation
moving
forward.
So
if
that
is
the
case,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
clarity
on
that.
So
we
know:
are
these
other
districts
going
to
have
to
chime
in,
or
is
this
something
that
we're
going
to
offer
free
for
all?
But
it
is
a
good
thing,
I'm
not
against
what
y'all
trying
to
do.
K
Let
me
be
very
clear
because
the
sheriff's
department
know
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
everything
they
do,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
floor,
because
that
is
with
the
situation
that
was
brought
before
me
when
I
was
advocating
to
try
to
give
my
district
some
assistance
when
the
kids
was
going
berserk
and
we
had
a
lot
of
confusion
there
as
well,
no
shootings.
No
none
of
that,
and
the
only
difference
because
of
that
is
thank
god.
K
J
I
think
you
make
a
great.
I
mean
question,
commissioner,
and-
and
I
think
I
mean
whatever
the
policy
is,
is
how
I
mean
there
probably
should
be
a
policy
on
for-profit
entities.
I
mean,
if
we're
going.
If
we
have
the
capacity
it
should
be
the
lowest.
I
priming
priority
to
make
sure
that
our
public
schools
that
there's
cost
recovery,
everyone
treats
the
fun
the
same.
We
can
figure
that
out
and
and
actually
incorporate
it.
I
imagine
into
how
this
how
this
gets
rolled
out.
K
A
I
would
I
would
like
to
know
one
of
the
letters
of
support
from
oakland
schools
encourages
this
resolution
to
help
core,
noting
that
these
positions
will
help
coordinate
communication
and
training
with
all
school
re
resource
officers
and
first
responders
across
oakland
county.
So
there
is
support
from
the
school
district
to
move
forward
with
this.
K
A
H
J
A
A
Thank
you,
oh,
but
don't
go
away.
A
I
So
this
is
our
annual
application
to
the
state
of
michigan
for
marine
safety
funding.
We
always
apply
for
the
max
that
we're
allowed
to
which
this
year
is
451
239.
We
don't
normally
get
that
amount
back,
but
you
know
we
we
try
to
maximize
the
request.
Every
year
last
year
we
were
successful
in
getting
175
050,
so
it's
our
standard
application
that
goes
every
year,
we're
just
asking
for
permission
to
apply.
G
You,
madam
chair,
as
I'm
sure
you're
already
aware
this
is
near
dear
to
my
heart
right,
especially
representing
the
lakes
region,
but
also
oakland
county
having
the
most
inland
lakes
than
any
other
county
right
absolutely.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
different
things.
So
I
know
that-
and
it
corrects
me
wrong,
but
it
is
pretty
typical.
We
do
shoot
high,
but
in
the
past
at
least
the
past
three
four
years
that
I'm
aware
of
that,
it's
pretty
much
fell
around
that
170.
G
G
I
They
haven't
always
been,
but
last
we
try
to
keep
them
in
line
with
the
the
law
enforcement
union
agreement.
We
try
to
do
the
union
agreements,
the
local
municipality
agreements,
because
it's
it's
nice
to
keep
them
consistent
agreements
to
keep
it
three
years
so,
depending
on,
like
I
said,
usually
the
we
kind
of
mirrored
the
union
agreement
shows
they're
still
pending,
but
that's
that's
how
we've
done
those
those.
G
Is
it
safe
to
say
then
at
minimum
if
you
take
that
175
050
and
times
it
by
three,
it's
525
150.
So
when
we
look
at
and
think
about,
those
marine
patrol
contracts
is
that
money
of
525
1550?
Is
that
specifically
designated
to
the
marine
patrols
on
our
lakes?
No.
I
This
is
this
goes
against
the
whole
program.
That's
budgeted
in
the
general
fund,
so
this
is
basically
reimbursement
for
that,
so
that
unit
responds
to
calls
so
outside
of
the
contracted.
So
the
contracted
communities,
the
agreements
which,
obviously
you
know-
we've
been
working
on-
we're
better,
come
forth
soon,
hopefully
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
I
Absolutely,
but
that's
those
are
the
individual
lakes
that
want
to
contract
with
us
and
have
specific
times
so
they
actually
have
like
hey
here's
a
weekend
or
you
know
starting
memorial
day
through
labor
day
or
whatever
we
have
dedicated
hours.
So
we
don't
have
necessarily
have
the
funding
to
accommodate
every
lake.
Obviously
you
know
we
have
450
lakes
in
oakland
county,
so
this
money
responds
to
calls
so
people
that
aren't
contracted
with
us.
I
mean
we
have
to.
We
have
to
respond
to
every
call.
Every
emergency
call
that
we
get
for
a
lake.
I
That's
what
this.
This
is
part
of
the
general,
the
whole
general
fund
budget,
so.
G
I
guess
you
bring
up
a
good
point,
then,
in
regards
to
the
number
of
hours
right.
So
if
I
look
at
the
previous
2020
year
of
the
contracted
lakes
within
the
marine
patrol,
there
was
a
total
of
2888
hours,
so
there
were
17
contracted
lakes
in
2020,
with
a
total
of
288
hours
amongst
all
17
of
them.
If
I'm
reading
this
correctly
within
the
grant,
it
looks
as
if
so
we've
got
one
part-time,
individual
and
then
45
part-time
with
a
total
hours
of
9330
hours.
G
G
I
G
G
Okay,
so
what
how
many
do
do
we
know
how
many
officers
were
on
the
lakes
patrolling
to
fulfill
those
2088
hours.
I
I
Can
get
that
data,
and
I
know
barbara
had
sent
an
email
yesterday
or
earlier
this
week
asking
some
other
questions
so
sure
you
know
we've
had
that
conversation
back
and
forth,
so
we
can
provide
that
and
then
these
45
part
time,
even
if
we
have
a
position,
some
of
them
like
with
the
lakes
we
might
have
a
position
even
though
a
person
is
allowed
to
work
a
thousand
hours.
Some
of
these
positions
are
like
150
hours,
because
they're
not
they're,
only
budgeted
they're
only
funded
for
that
amount.
So
it's
not
completely
understandable.
G
G
G
I
The
boat
we
have
a
boat
inventory
for
them,
so
I
can
get
you
that
too,
because
I
know
we
we
rotate
them,
because
this
grant
historically
some
years
we've
been
able
to
get
a
federal
portion
that
allowed
us
to
buy
equipment
sure,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
a
rotating
the
the
sergeant
that's
in
charge
of
it.
You
know
they.
Obviously
they
maintain
the
boats.
They
monitor
the
boats
and
they'll
rotate
out.
If
they're
aged
out,
then
we
put
we'll
send
them
to
auction.
G
On
this
application,
though,
it
does
list
25.
do
we
do.
We
know
if
that's
25
boats
or
25
boats,
trailers
and
vehicles
to
transport
the
boats,
because,
as
I
read
it,
it
makes
it
look
like
under
patrol
boat
usage
makes
it
look
like
we
have
25.
yeah.
I
also
know
there's
vehicles
and
I'm
like
just
to
get
clarification
on
that
right.
Yep
and
we
do
have.
G
G
In
the
sheriffs
do
like
their
toys,
okay,
all
right
vehicle.
So
really
my
my
final
question
is:
when
we
take
a
look
at
you
know,
I'm
not
questioning
the
materials
and
supplies
and
services
to
be
contracted.
I
see
that
that's
a
lot
of
money,
given
that
you
said
that
it's
unlikely,
especially
in
these
days
and
times
we
get
that
there's
a
shortage
across
the
board
with
hiring
individuals.
G
I
No
absolutely
so.
This
is
what
we're
applying
for,
because
this
this
would
be
the
max
amount
that
we're
eligible
for
so
we're
trying
to
maximize
what
we
can
get
back
from
the
state.
Like
I
said,
we
only
get
175
000.
I
think
the
annual
marine
budget's
around
a
billion,
something
so
yeah.
No
we're
only
spending
what
we
need
so
say
uniforms
or
deputy
supplies
we're
only
going
to
charge
to
the
general
fund
what
they
actually
need,
so
when
we
equip
them
with
uniforms,
equip
them
with
whatever
tools
they
need
for
other
operating.
I
G
Absolutely-
and
the
final
question
I
have
is
what
is
the
average
number
of
hours?
Oh
I'm
sorry,
what
is
the
dollar
amount
budgeted
in
the
sheriff's
office
general
fund
for
marine
patrol?
I.
G
Then,
just
for
clarification,
this
grant
is
specific
to
public
waters
right
because
it
says
that's
what
I
have
in
my
summary
notes
that
this
is
grant
funding
is
made
available
to
county
sheriff's
departments
within
the
state
of
michigan
and
is
dependent
on
such
factors
as
the
area
of
public
waters
to
be
patrolled.
Yes,
that's
where
we
patrol.
So
if
there
is
a
private
lake,
can
this
grant
be
utilized
for
patrol
on
private
lakes.
G
Yeah
these
are
public
waters,
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
variety
of
lakes
that
contract
with
the
marine
patrol
that
are
private.
So
I
would
like
to
get
some
clarification
regardless.
If
this
is
a
reimbursement
back
to
the
general
fund,
this
is
a
very
specific
grant
in
regards
to
patrolling
public
waters.
So
I
would
like
to
make
sure
we
do
follow
up
on
that
and
get
some
clarification
and.
I
G
G
Have
an
offset
cost,
don't
don't
when
we
talk
about?
I
know
we're
jumping
around
between
the
this
safety
patrol
grant
and
our
marine
patrol
contracts
right.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
very
clear,
but
don't
are
cvts
or
lake
homeowner
or
lake
homeowner
associations.
They
do
get
a
reduced
rate.
G
They
still
charge
them
for
right
due
to,
but
this
grant
be
the
no
wake
grant.
I
mean
we're
not
charging
those
are
cvts.
A
full.
A
full
dollar
amount
for
our
sheriffs
to
patrol
on
their
legs.
It
is
an
offset.
I
It's
pretty
close,
I
mean
this
year
we're
talking
about
adding
body
cams
and
indirect
costs,
so
I
mean
the
hourly
rate
is
going
to
go
up,
but
it's
pretty
much.
I
mean
we
still
have
we
we
charge
them
for
a
portion
of
uniforms.
We
charge
them
for
boat
maintenance,
boat
depreciation
boat,
whatever
like
basically
what's
in
in
there.
So
and
obviously
we
have
to
set
a
rate
just
like
we
have
to
do
for
the
law
enforcement
contract.
I
I
No
that's
what
we're
working
on.
I
mean
that's
what
we've
been
emailing
with
barbara,
so
obviously
we
have
to.
We
know
anticipated
why,
when
that'll
be
completed,
we're
working
on
it
right
now,
I'm
working
with
the
county
exec
admin
to
establish
the
to
add
the
additional
costs
and
that
haven't
been
included
because,
obviously
we're
implementing
body
cameras
and
indirect
costs.
Sure
well.
A
C
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
I
don't
think
there
it
matters
between
if
it's
a
private
lake
and
a
lake
with
public
access,
because
there's
so
many
lakes
in
this
county
that
don't
allow
they
don't
have
public
access.
So
and
the
point
is
that
you
pointed
out
we're
getting
paid
by
these
cities,
villages
and
townships
to
patrol
these
lakes.
So
I
don't
think
we
care
what
you
designate
the
lake
long
as
we're
getting
paid
for
our
services.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
Yeah.
A
Thanks
for
having
us,
our
next
item
is
from
the
prosecuting
attorney's
office,
a
resolution
requesting
use
of
forfeiture
funds
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
mcelvery
support
from
commissioner,
who
would
like
to
support
that
commissioner
hoffman.
Thank
you
and
dave
williams
and
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
your
name
betsy.
D
D
How
are
you
good
afternoon?
Thank
you
for
the
chance
to
be
here
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
this.
These
are
funds
that
are
drug
forfeiture
funds.
They
have
been
placed
into
account
over
the
last
more
than
a
decade.
The
prior
administration
didn't
use
those
funds.
You
know
from
prior
meetings
and
discussions.
We've
had
that
there
are
a
lot
of
deficits
in
the
office,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we're
excited
about
is
using
these
funds
to
make
up
some
of
the
training
deficits.
We've
had.
We've
already
sent
people
to
several
conferences.
D
We
have
some
more
things
lined
up
and
betsy.
Now
we're
talking.
We
want
to
normalize
our
budget
to
have
you
know
a
normal
training
budget
that
would
cover
us
in
the
normal
year,
but
we
don't
want
to
start
using
some
of
these
funds
to
catch
up
for
prosecutors,
who
might
have
been
with
us
for
six
seven,
eight
nine
ten
years
who've
never
had
some
of
that
training.
Also,
we
want
to
help
care
house
pay
for
a
system
for
recording
child
forensic
interviews.
D
This
is
a
process,
that's
gone
on
for
many
years
ever
since
they
started
recording
those
interviews.
They're
actually
stored
at
our
office
by
statute,
it's
very
limited
who
can
get
them,
and
so
this
is
a
process,
that's
been
ongoing.
This
is
an
updated,
cloud-based,
very
secure
system,
and
we
feel
that
this
is
a
good
use
of
funds
and
then,
lastly,
there
are
some
programs
that
could
be
implemented
that
might
help
address
violence
and
there's
some
interventions
that
can
take
place.
D
But
the
problem
is,
you
have
to
get
the
process
started,
and
so
this
ten
thousand
dollars
would
be
used
to
look
into
our
ability
to
implement
a
system.
The
classic
example
of
this
is
actually
going
into
hospitals
after
a
shooting
talking
to
the
people
who
have
been
shot,
sometimes
in
gang-related
shootings,
and
try
to
stop
the
retaliation
that
results,
and
this
isn't
really
just
specific
to
our
office,
but
we
have
the
funds
and
we
think
it's
a
good
use,
and
that
may
then
pave
the
way
for
an
actual
initiative
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
D
G
D
These
are
forfeited
under
the
our
drug,
crime
statutes,
okay,
and
it
authorizes
the
taking
of
money
and
things
that
are
part
of
of
drug
dealing
and
the
things
can
you
be
sold
in
the
money
put
in
the
pot
or
donated
and
when
the
the
money
then
is
divided
up
between
law
enforcement
agencies,
and
we
have
an
agreement
that
divides
these
up
by
percentage,
and
then
it's
really
pretty
broad.
The
the
permissible
uses
are
pretty
broad.
It's
for
any
law
enforcement
purposes.
People
sometimes
think
it
has
to
be
specific
to
drug
interdiction.
C
C
My
concern
has
always
been,
and
I
maybe
they've
tightened
the
law
up
a
little
and
you
might
be
able
to
address
that,
but
when
they
first
passed
this
law
that
allowed
government
to
take
somebody's
property,
there
were
people
that
were
found
not
guilty
and
they
still
lost
their
property.
Now
that's
been
changed
right.
Yes,
okay,
because
I'm
always
concerned
about
due
process-
and
I
was
even
told
once
I
own
a
couple
rental
houses
and
that
if
somebody
were
dealing
drugs
in
my
house,
I
could
lose.
My
house
is
that's
not
the
case,
commissioner.
D
For
example,
you
could
do
things
like
you
could
forfeit
someone
who
had
a
drunk
driving
case
right
well,
people
who
don't
own
their
car
who
lease
a
car
are
not
subject
to
that
and
and
someone
else
who
owns
their
car
might
be
there
a
lot
of
reasons
why
forfeiture
is
not
a
a
good
idea
for
due
process
reasons
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
so
we
are
not
pursuing
this
in
the
same
way.
On
the
other
hand,
when
a
major
drug
dealing
operation
is
is
is
investigated
and
then
we
seize
funds.
D
C
Yeah,
no,
I
appreciate
that,
but
it
and-
and
I
think
it
was
senator
runstad
even
that
helped
pass
that
legislation.
If
I
remember
right,
he
might
have
been
a
state
rep
then,
but
I'm
always
concerned
about
taking
people's
property
without
due
process
without
compensation,
because
you
just
can't
arbitrarily
do
these
things
and
again
it's
another
reason:
people
don't
have
respect
for
the
government
or
they
don't
like
some
politicians.
D
D
Right
that
that's
the
real
problem
yeah,
so
we
have
certainly
on
our
side,
we've
put
a
stop
to
that,
and
so
I
I
don't
love
the
idea
that
we're
gonna
use
forfeiture
funds
in
general.
Certainly
these
are
supplemental
funds,
but
we're
certainly
not
counting
on
them
out
into
the
future.
Our
thought
is,
let's
put
these
funds
to
good
use
and
there
will
be
instances
where
forfeiture
is
appropriate,
but
but
not
in
the
way
it's
been
used
and
not
in
the
way
questionable
criminal
cases
have
been
used
to
essentially
leverage
taking
property.
I.
A
L
Thanks,
I
had
two
questions.
First,
I'm
going
to
a
conference;
actually
everybody
this
weekend
with
the
sheriff's
office
to
learn
about
fines
and
fees.
So
it's
good
to
hear
we're
all
in
agreement
about
forfeiture
funds.
How
much
money
is
in
our
forfeiture
fund.
E
L
Okay
and
about
how
much
comes
in
every
year
from
then
I
think
the
last
thing
we
was
like
29
000,
okay,
gotcha,
thank
you
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
also
echo
what
commissioner
hoffman
said.
The
cure
violence
thing
that
you're
gonna
put
money
towards
sounds
great.
Do
you
have
any
other
efforts
towards
restorative
justice?
So
you
know
we.
D
We
do
want
to
look
into
some
other
possibilities.
This
we
view
this
money
as
an
opportunity,
and
so
what
we
saw
is
a
program
that
couldn't
get
jump
started
without
funding,
and
by
doing
this,
we're
not
to
wait.
We
are
looking
at
a
bunch
of
other
initiatives
and
working
with
other
groups
to
talk
about
how
we
might
divert
cases
from
the
criminal
system.
This
is
just
one
that
is
already
on
our
radar.
We
want
to
get
started
on
cool.
L
A
D
Our
short
answer:
we,
we
don't
believe
so.
We
did
approach
corp
council
about
this
being
a
proper
use
of
funds.
We
didn't
specifically
consult
on
them
for
the
need
for
an
mou.
D
I
guess
I
would
have
to
defer
to
them,
but
my
impression
is
no
we're
actually
just
contributing
to
a
process
we
use
by
the
way
we're
not
committing
ourselves
to
this
any
time
type
of
continuing
basis.
This
is
an
upgrade.
They
asked
us
and
we
said
yeah.
We
will
ask
for
those
funds.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
A
Our
next
item
is
from
health
and
human
services,
health
division,
the
grant
acceptance
from
oakland
schools
for
home
visitation
partnership
grant.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
hoffman
support
from
commissioner
mcgilfrey.
Oh,
and
we
have
leanne
stafford
and
calandra
bring
here
to
talk
to
us.
This
is
a
generally
a
housekeeping
item.
I
don't
know
about
today,
though,
there's
been
much
conversation
about
many
items.
M
We'll
try
to
keep
it
brief,
but
if
you
have
questions,
obviously
we
can
answer
those.
So
basically,
what
we're
requesting
here
is
to
accept
some
additional
funding
to
pay
for
our
full-time
health,
our
full-time
nurse
that
works
in
this
program
of
nfp
and
so
prior
to
this,
we
were
just
underfunded:
to
pay
for
a
full
fte
to
focus
on
our
nurse
family
partnership
in
our
southeast
area,
and
so
oakland
schools
was
willing
to
increase
that
funding
so
that
we
can
fully
pay
for
their
salary
and
their
fringes
in
this
program.
M
K
A
B
Hello,
how
are
you
today,
hello,
so
I'm
here
today
to
present
the
grant
acceptance
from
the
michigan
department
of
education,
child
and
adult
food
care
program.
This
is
an
annual
grant
application.
So
hopefully
this
is
housekeeping
as
well.
Children's
village
and
more
specifically
mandy's
place,
has
been
the
recipient
of
these
grant
funds
for
well
over
a
decade.
B
A
Thank
you
any
comments
or
questions
prompt
to
vote.
Please.
A
Nays
all
right
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
nice,
seeing
you
both
hi
we
do
have
to.
I
have
to
return
to
the
regular
agenda
item
item
b
for
a
moment
with
our
handout.
We
were
handed
the
2022
civilian
asr
training
schedule.
So
we
need
to
accept
and
file
this
into
our
report.
Since
each
person
received
an
item
so.
A
E
E
Well,
it's
been
a
full
day
of
it.
It
seems
it
is
the
afternoon
now
so
good
afternoon.
Commissioners,
my
name
is
catherine
kennedy
from
lake
orion.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
related
to
software
issues.
We
apparently
did
not
get
budget
amendments
on
one
of
the
proposals.
I
actually
don't
remember
this
meeting
of
the
one
before
it
was
said
because
of
the
software
implementation
changes
that
they
were
not
actually
able
to
do
those
reports
timely
enough
to
do
so.
E
We
used
to
get
a
version
number
and
a
date
and
time
of
the
last
modification
of
the
documents
in
the
package.
We
don't
get
that
anymore,
so
short
of
downloading
it
myself.
I
don't
know
how
to
even
do
that,
so,
if
we're
changing
all
of
our
systems
to
a
system
that
isn't
able
to
be
viewed
by
the
public,
what
are
we
doing?
E
The
fact
that
everyone
in
the
world
becomes
hackable
when
all
of
our
stuff
is
put
out
in
the
systems
in
the
internet,
and
I
for
one,
have
never
agreed
to
any
of
the
amazon
terms
whatsoever
or
any
facebook
terms.
So
I
don't
know
how
any
government
can
has
the
right
to
put
my
private
information
out
there
for
sale.
Other
companies
like
they're,
doing
the
super
index
in
oakland
county
right
now.
E
I
don't
understand
how,
when
russia
has
already
gone
through
and
tested,
their
entire
country
has
an
independent
internet
intranet
really
for
them
where
they
can
sabotage
the
rest
of
the
world
through
cyber
wars.
Cyber
warfare
and
ari
have
tested
their
own
system
to
know
that
they
can
do
it
to
everybody
else
and
be
free
and
clear
themselves.
E
O
O
I
just
have
like
a
bittersweet
sensation
going
on
right
now
that
I
want
to
share
with
you
guys
so
really
happy
that
we
funded
the
750
k
or
whatever
it
was
to
get
those
helicopters
here,
so
that
our
community
can
be
safe,
really
disappointed
in
how
we
treated,
in
my
opinion,
disrespected
their
time
and
for
the
additional
funding,
because
I
specifically
remember
sitting
in
this
room
in
a
majority
caucus
meeting
when
somebody
asked
when
we
spent
bazillion
dollars
for
the
prosecutor's
office.
O
What
are
we
going
to
do
for
the
sheriff's
office
and
mr
woodward
said
we're
going
to
take
care
of
that,
and
he
pointed
to
the
lieutenant
and
said:
we've
got
something
in
the
works,
and
so
this
agenda
has
been
out
since
last
thursday.
Nobody
took
the
time
to
understand
that.
Maybe
there
was
a
mistake,
that's
on
them.
They
should
have
had
their
act
together,
but
we
we
basically
told
them.
O
We
were
going
to
do
this
and
it
was
pretty
legit,
but
you
guys
decided
not
to
so
they're
going
to
crawl
back
here
again,
and
you
know
what
else
they're
going
to
crawl
back
here
for
the
double
overtime,
because
that
didn't
get
resolved.
So
in
my
opinion,
we
need
to
consider
from
a
leadership
perspective,
respecting
and
funding
our
police,
because
if
we
don't
we're
going
to
end
up
similar
to
oakland
california
and
not
oakland
michigan,
we
still
have
time
to
make
this
county
the
best
in
the
nation.