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you
join
me
in
Rising
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag,
the
United
States
of
America,
one
nation
under
God,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Thank
you.
Our
first
item
is
approving
the
minutes
from
January
17th
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
Jackson
support
from
commissioner
mcgiltery.
All
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
the
minutes
are
approved.
Our
next
item
is
approving
the
agenda.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nelson's
support
from
commissioner
gindel.
All
in
favor,
say
aye.
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Seeing
none
public
comment
is
closed.
We
moved
to
Communications,
we
have
two
items
under
Communications:
one
is
a
fiscal
year,
2023
anti-terrorism
emergency
assistance
program
and
the
second
item
is
the
intake
disposition
report,
December
2022
from
our
Animal
Shelter
comments
or
questions
from
motion
by
commissioner
mcgilvery
support
from
commissioner
ginto
comments
on
Communications.
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D
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E
That's
great,
so
please
do.
Let
me
know
if
there
are
any
audio
visual
challenges,
so
I
am
Keith.
Hurl
I'm
with
rip
medical
debt
I
have
a
fairly
long
career
in
the
healthcare
field,
working
at
KPMG
and
health
policy
firms
with
the
city
and
county
of
San
Francisco,
also
in
the
field
of
Hospital
Community
benefits
and
rip
brought
me
on
to
help
understand
Hospital,
finance
and
revenue
cycles
and
how
bills
are
collected.
E
A
number
of
other
issues,
including
helping
to
introduce
rip
medical
debt
to
a
number
of
hospitals
and
Health
Systems
across
the
United
States,
and
so
what
I'll
do
quickly
is
talk
about
why
we
think
medical
debt
is
a
problem
and
rip
medical
debt.
Its
entire
mission
is
focused
on
addressing
this
problem.
E
Then
let
you
know
a
bit
more
about
how
different
cities,
counties
and
states
are
starting
to
work
with
rip
medical
debt
on
relief
programs
relief
projects.
Then
a
little
more
background
on.
Let
me
turn
on
my
camera.
Sorry
about
that.
A
little
more
background
on
who
rip
medical
debt
is,
and
then
some
insights
into
how
the
process
works
and
feel
free
to
ask
questions
along
the
way
happy
to
try
to
do
my
best
to
answer
them.
E
So
why
is
medical
debt
a
problem?
Well,
we
know
that
it's
different
from
other
types
of
debts.
It
arises
out
of
seeking
and
receiving
health
care
services
from
hospitals
and
other
types
of
providers.
So
it
comes
from
illness
and
injury,
not
from
purchasing
the
latest
iPhone.
So
it's
a
different
type
of
of
debt
that
we're
dealing
with.
E
We
also
know
that
about
40
of
households
have
little
and
by
way
of
savings
to
buffer
the
shocks
of
big
medical
bills
when
they
happen,
and
that
leads
to
lots
of
accounts,
ending
up
being
unpaid
and
ending
up
in
bad
debt
status.
E
So
in
terms
of
some
data
for
Oakland
County
Michigan,
the
urban
Institute
has
some
statistics.
They
have
downloaded
a
sample
of
credit
reports,
so
this
is
only
the
medical
debt
that
ends
up
on
credit
reports.
So
it's
it's
an
understatement
as
to
how
much
medical
that
actually
is
out
there.
But
what
this
shows
is
that
roughly
nine
percent
of
households
in
Oakland
County
have
medical
debt
on
credit
reports.
This
is
based
on
the
last
analysis.
They
did.
That
statistic
is
19
for
communities
of
color,
eight
percent
in
white
communities.
E
E
So
when
people
do
incur
medical
debt,
what
do
they
do?
Well,
kff?
That's
the
Kaiser,
Family
Foundation
they've
done
a
survey
to
ask
these
questions
and
it's
clear
that
people
that
end
up
in
medical
debt
cut
back
on
spending
on
basic
necessities.
Food
clothing,
household
items
use
up
their
savings,
put
the
medical
debt
on
credit
cards
or
increase
their
credit
card
debt
for
non-medical
purchases.
E
So
what
are
our
different
cities
and
counties
and
States
doing
and
I'll
tell
you
I'm
having
conversations
with
30
different
jurisdictions
today
taking
a
look
well,
what
what
these
government
entities
are
doing
is
allocating
funds
for
medical
debt
relief
through
rip
medical
debt.
E
Sometimes
these
resources
are
attempts
to
relieve
medical
debt
for
the
entire
community.
So,
looking
at
the
last
row
of
this
table,
this
is
an
example
like
the
city
of
Columbus,
they've
appropriated,
two
million
dollars
for
medical
debt
relief
and
what
that
would
allow
us
to
do
actually
I've
got
a
typo.
There
is
cancel
125
million
dollars
of
medical
debt
for
roughly
80
000
families.
E
When
the
resources
are
a
little
smaller,
we
can
help
fewer
fewer
people,
so
125
000
helps
us
cancel
medical
debt
for
5,
000
families
at
250
000.
We
can
help
10
000
families
and
the
way
we
work
these
projects
is
we
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
city
county
or
state.
Then
we
go
to
work,
recruiting
hospitals
from
the
community
to
sell
portfolios
of
medical
debt
to
rip
for
purposes
of
cancellation.
We
do
that
work.
E
We
notify
all
the
families
all
the
patients
that
their
medical
deaths
have
been
canceled
and
then
we
report
data
back
to
City
County
state
government,
on
who
we
helped
by
ZIP
code
by
race,
ethnicity,
by
a
number
of
characteristics
that
are
important
to
track.
So
we
can
understand
the
impacts
of
this
intervention.
E
The
number
of
people
that
we
can
help
is
very
sensitive
to
a
couple
of
Statistics.
One
of
those
is
the
average
amount
of
medical
debt
per
family
that
we
find
when
we
get
these
portfolios
from
the
hospitals
to
analyze,
also
very
sensitive
to
how
old
the
accounts
are,
because
the
amount
we
pay
for
these
portfolios,
it's
very
directly
related
directly
affected
by
the
average
age
of
each
account.
E
So
these
are
all
accounts
where
the
hospitals
have
done
finished
their
work
to
try
to
collect
the
bills,
so
the
accounts
may
be
18
months
to
two
years
to
five
years
to
10
years
old
and
our
pricing
that
we
offer
to
the
hospitals
is
very
sensitive
to
the
average
age
of
each
account,
and
so
the
older
the
accounts,
the
less
we
pay
the
newer,
the
younger
the
accounts,
the
more
we
pay.
So
we
recently
completed
a
transaction
in
Michigan
and
it
was
a
little
unusual.
E
The
average
amount
of
medical
debt
was
around
eleven
hundred
dollars
per
family
and
the
average
age
of
the
accounts
was
around
five
years
of
age,
and
so
we
were
able
to
help
for
like
that
same
125
000.
In
that
circumstance
would
go
and
help
roughly
twice
the
number
of
families
just
based
on
the
characteristics
of
the
portfolio
we
were
asked
to
analyze,
so
we
are
on.
We
don't
really
know
what
we're
going
to
be
getting
in
these
portfolios
before
they
sent
the
hospital,
send
it
to
us
for
analysis.
E
But
you
know
these
numbers
are
very
sensitive,
as
I
mentioned,
to
the
characteristics
of
the
portfolios
that
we
actually
are
asked
to.
Take
a
look
at
and
to
then
cancel.
E
In
terms
of
where
else
we
are
doing
this
kind
of
work,
Cook
County
Illinois
was
our
first
government
initiative
and
Cook
County
appropriated
12
million
dollars.
The
goal
is
to
cancel
a
billion
dollars
of
medical
debt
for
residents
of
Cook
County
New
Orleans
they're
at
1.3
million,
and
we're
at
work
there
we're
close
to
being
under
contract
and
talking
to
the
Delivery
Systems
there
before
we
get
into
contracts.
So
we
make
sure
that
we
will
have
a
successful
project
Pittsburgh
they
announced
a
million
dollar
project.
E
Columbus
is
on
there
too.
There
are
two
million
dollars,
and
the
city
council
met
last
night
to
discuss
that
project
and
again
we're
interacting
with
Health
Systems
there
to
make
sure
that
if
we
have
resources
for
local
government,
we
are
then
able
to
actually
partner
with
the
hospitals
and
complete
a
successful
project.
E
This
all
got
up
has
been
getting
a
fair
amount
of
publicity.
There's
an
article
from
The
New
York
Times
copied
at
the
bottom
half
of
this
slide,
but
you
can
actually
Google
all
these
different
communities
and
then
rip
medical
debt
and
you'll
see
proposed
legislation
coming
and
press
releases.
Things
of
that
nature,
so
this
is
really
taking
off
as
a
an
intervention
across
the
U.S.
E
So
who
are
we
anyway?
Rit
medical
debt
is
a
501c3
charity
that
acquires
and
cancels
medical
debt
for
people
in
financial
hardship.
E
The
organization
was
founded
in
2014,
so
not
quite
10,
years
old
and
so
far,
we've
Acquired
and
canceled
eight
and
a
half
billion
dollars
of
medical
debt
for
over
five
and
a
half
million
families,
an
example
of
our
funding.
Mackenzie
Scott
provided
50
million
dollars
in
2020
and
another
30
million
dollars
in
November
of
2022.
E
And
of
course
she
did
this.
After
conducting
some
fairly
extensive
due
diligence
on
rip
medical
debt,
she
has
an
army
of
accountants
and
attorneys
that
really
make
sure
that
we're
a
bona
fide
organization
well-run,
well
governed,
well-managed
and
so
we're
very
grateful
to
receive
those
resources.
It's
really
helping
us
carry
out
this
mission,
we're
also
an
endorsed
business
partner
of
the
Minnesota
Hospital
Association,
so
mha
they
are
introducing
rip
medical
debt
to
hospitals
across
Minnesota
and
where
we've
completed
one
transaction
in
Minnesota
and
we're
about
to
engage
in
a
couple
of
others.
E
As
a
non-profit,
we
have
a
volunteer
board
of
directors,
some
highly
regarded
attorneys,
former
Health
directors
of
large
Health
departments
across
the
U.S
Hospital
administrators
people
from
the
finance
industry,
and
one
of
the
key
points
that
we
need
to
keep
making.
What
we're
doing
is
actually
very
unique.
We
never
collect
on
medical
debt.
We
do
something
similar
to
what
commercial
debt
buyers
will
do,
that
we
acquire
portfolios
of
medical
debt,
but
those
commercial
debt
buyers
they
acquire
the
accounts
to
then
make
money
by
collecting
on
them.
E
We
offer
an
alternative
to
hospitals
and
health
systems
and
other
providers
we
will
offer
the
same
kind
of
Economics
will
offer
to
acquire
these
same
portfolios,
but
we
don't
do
any
collecting.
In
fact,
we
cancel
the
medical
debt
as
soon
as
we
get
titles
of
the
accounts
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we
send
letters
to
all
the
individuals,
all
the
patients
and
families
and
account
guarantors
that
the
two
steps
we
have
Acquired
and
canceled,
indicating
that
the
medical
debt
has
been
paid
in
full
canceled
as
a.
E
But
this
is
an
event
that
is
not
taxable
to
the
individual,
because
it's
done
through
a
gift.
We
ask
the
individuals
to
share
their
stories
and
we're
hearing
from
you
know
thousands
of
people
that
we've
helped
about
how
helpful
it
is,
and
so
we
also
provide
some
information,
a
little
FAQ
on
who
rip
is
so
the
recipients.
At
the
end
of
the
process
understand
this
is
a
real
event.
Take
it
seriously
keep
a
copy
of
the
letter
in
case
there's
any
dispute
around
whether
you
owe
this
medical
debt
and
the
letter
provides
that
documentation.
E
How
do
we
identify
people
who
qualify
for
the
program?
Well,
we
get
a
get
these
files
of
patient
accounts
that
have
reached
bad
debt
status
from
the
hospitals.
We
then
run
the
run,
an
analysis
accessing
data
from
TransUnion
Healthcare
now
fin
thrive,
and
they
will
let
us
know
for
each
household.
What
is
the
estimated
federal
poverty
level
for
each
household
and
we
were
interested
in
acquiring
medical
debt
for
people
up
to
400
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
guidelines,
we're
also
interested
if
the
amount
of
medical
debt
itself
is
5
or
more
of
annual
household
income.
E
So
those
are
the
only
two
criteria
that
we
use
to
identify.
What
we
call
qualified
medical
debt,
so
a
hospital
might
send
us
a
hundred
thousand
accounts.
We
would,
we
would
say:
well
maybe
70
000
of
those
are
for
people
that
meet
these
two
criteria.
Therefore,
we
would
like
to
acquire
these.
Seventy
thousand
accounts.
We
don't
want
to
acquire
the
other.
Thirty
thousand
they'll
stay
with
the
hot
the
hospital,
but
we
will
take
those
seventy
thousand
accounts
off
off
the
hands
of
the
hospital
based
on
and
will
offer
a.
E
You
know
a
fair
market
value
pricing
for
that
transaction
and
then,
as
quickly
as
we
can.
We
will
then
cancel
that
medical
debt
when
it
comes
to
using
government
funds,
we're
careful
to
make
sure
that
we're
only
using
a
fun
safer,
Cook
County
for
people
who
live
in
Cook,
County
or
funds
for
the
from
the
city
of
Toledo
for
a
city
of
Toledo
residents.
And
we
do
that.
D
E
We
do
that
using
zip
codes
or
actually
zip,
plus
four
information,
because
at
least
in
Toledo,
for
example,
the
city
boundary
goes
right
through
the
middle
of
certain
zip
codes.
And
so
we
actually
we
know
we
need
to
go
down
to
the
block
level
of
detail
to
make
sure
that
we're
only
using
the
city's
funding
for
City
residents.
E
Our
Hospital
transactions
so
far
we
have
done
we've
completed
roughly
70
transactions
and
you'll
see
that
the
top
three
here,
the
first
three
you
actually
have
the
name
of
the
organization
ballot
Health
it's
located
in
Tennessee
and
Virginia
21
hospitals,
and
that
one
got
written
up
in
the
Wall
Street
Journal.
So
we're
able
to
name
that
one.
So
you
know
who
it
is.
E
E
In
Massachusetts,
the
others
decided
not
to
make
public
announcements
about
the
fact
that
they've
done
this
work
with
rip
medical
debt,
or
at
least
not
yet
I,
will
tell
you
that
the
fourth
from
the
bottom
is
a
multi-hospital
health
system
that
operates
in
a
number
of
states
and
one
of
those
is
the
state
of
Michigan.
And
so
we
we
weren't
able
to
acquire
medical
debt
for
a
number
of
hospitals
in
Michigan
and
we're
at
work
attempting
to
cancel
those
accounts.
As
we
speak,.
E
To
describe
how
it
works
when
we
are
doing
this
process
with
each
Hospital,
the
first
step
is
we
enter
into
a
business
associates
agreement
and
that
that's
important
to
protect
the
personal
health
information
of
all
these
patients
and
guarantors,
and
so
often
the
health
system.
They'll
ask
us
a
lot
of
questions
about
our
security,
cyber
security
protocols,
our
cyber
insurance
coverage,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
E
Well,
that's
step
one,
and
it
often
takes
several
weeks
working
with
the
attorneys
of
these
Health
Systems
and
the
I.T
staff
until
they're
satisfied
that
our
security
setup
is
is
robust
and
all
the
legal
agreements
have
been
signed.
We
also
enter
into
a
non-disclosure
agreement,
and
so
that's
where
you
know
the
hospitals
can
themselves
agree
to
make
public
announcements
or
press
releases
we
won't.
We
will
not
do
that.
E
We
then
lay
out
some
file
specifications,
so
we
need
data
for
each
account.
You
know
the
name.
Social
security
number
address
ZIP
code
date
of
birth
date
of
service
balance
out
all
these
different
things,
I'm,
sorry,
and
so
we
provide
these
specifications
to
the
hospital
they
submit
us.
They
send
a
file
to
us
securely.
E
E
We
also
provide
some
some
feedback
on
the
charity
care
program,
so
we
do
see
in
these
analyzes.
We
see
people
that
I
guess
theoretically
should
have
qualified
for
the
hospital's
charity
care
program,
and
maybe
some
people
fell
through
the
cracks,
and
so
we
do
an
analysis
of
those
accounts
and
feed
that
information
back
to
the
hospitals
as
a
way
of
kind
of
Quality
quality
improvement
on
the
charity
care
program.
E
It's
an
important
piece
of
the
work
that
we
do
with
our
Hospital
partners
and
we
do
it
very
confidentially
and
privately,
and
a
number
of
changes
have
been
made
across
the
country
to
the
way
these
charity
care
programs
were
so.
The
hospital
then
makes
decisions.
Do
we
want
to
sell
our
portfolio
to
rip
for
purposes
of
cancellation?
Basically,
by
the
time
we
get
to
this
stage,
it's
extremely
rare
for
any
hospitals
to
say:
well
we're
not
going
to
go
ahead.
E
E
E
Patients
then
get
letters
and,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
many
of
them
are
absolutely
thrilled
to
get
these
letters
from
rip
medical
debt.
Often
we
do
encourage
some
kind
of
press
in
the
in
the
community
before
these
letters
start
to
be
mailed,
and
this
is
so
there's
public
awareness
of
the
fact
this
is
happening
and
the
patients
take
these
letters
seriously.
They
don't
think.
E
We
then
require
our
partners
to
remove
any
derogatory
credit
information.
If
it's,
if
any,
was
placed
for
the
individual
or
the
account
and
we're
not
able
to
do
that
at
rip
ourselves,
it
has
to
be
removed
by
whoever
put
it
there.
So
that
might
be
the
collections
agency
or
the
hospital
and
then
the
last
step
is
to
go
ahead
and
implement
the
the
communication
strategy.
E
E
We
then
work
with
the
hospitals
to
get
these
files
of
medical
debt
that
has
reached
the
bad
death
status.
We
analyze
those
files,
we
qualify
the
accounts
to
for
this
program.
We
then
offer
to
make
a
purchase
and
that
we
share
data
back
and
forth
with
the
hospital
as
we
go,
there's
Communications
and
at
the
end
there
is
the
we
notify
the
patients
that
this
has
all
happened.
E
E
Sorry,
some
software,
it
was
trying
to
be
updated.
What
makes
this
all
work
is
it's
the
cost
to
actually
acquire
portfolios
of
medical
debt
after
it's
reached,
terminal
bad
debt
status,
so
once
the
accounts
are
18
months,
two
years,
three
years,
four
years,
five
years
old,
we
can
acquire
these
accounts
for
less
than
a
penny
on
the
dollar.
E
So
this
statement
at
the
bottom
here
that
one
dollar
of
resources
can
buy
a
hundred
dollars
or
more
of
medical
debt.
That
is
true,
and
that's
what
makes
that
that's?
What
excites
our
donor
base?
It's
what's
exciting
government
to
be
willing
to
commit
resources
because
of
the
impact
that
we
can
have
on
canceling
hundreds
of
millions
of
medical
debt
in
communities.
It's
it's
rare
to
find
a
return
on
investment
that
is
anywhere
comparable
to
this
one
one
to
a
hundred
relationship.
E
We
like
to
say
we
think
this
is
a
win-win-win
solution.
Patients
clearly
benefit
because
their
medical
debt
is
canceled,
tax-free
credit
scores.
Improve
stress
is
relieved,
there's
better
access
to
care,
because
people
get
the
preventive
Services
they
need
and
the
ability
to
afford
basic
necessities,
because
paying
on
medical
debt
is
not
crowding
out
the
ability
to
buy
food
and
housing
those
types
of
things.
E
E
They
also
get
some
feedback
on
the
financial
assistance
program
and
we've
heard
from
several
that
have
made
sort
of
internal
announcements
that
employees
are
thrilled,
that
hey
we're
doing
this
to
help
our
patients
and
members
of
the
medical
staff
are
as
well.
So
these
are
sort
of
it's
high
level.
Summary
of
why
we
think
this
is
a
win-win-win.
E
From
our
provider,
Partners
vituity
has
a
statement.
The
chief
medical
officer
saying
we
were
inspired
by
this
partnership
ballot
Health
makes
it
clear.
This
is
that
this
is
a
helps.
People
afford
care
and
other
services
they
need
without
fear
of
unmanageable
expenses
and
met
health
system
is
in
the
Southeast.
So
we
hear
these
types
of
that.
E
But
with
that,
let
me
see
if
you
all
have
questions.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
the
presentation
happy
to
address
questions
that
you
may
have.
B
Well,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
My
question
relates
to
the
criteria,
the
low
income
criteria
or
meeting
federal
poverty
guidelines.
So
we
have
Medicaid
here
that
people
are
able
to
apply
for
Medicaid
and
have
medical
covered.
So
does
this?
Would
the
people
the
program
Services
be
eligible
for
Medicaid?
E
Sure,
well,
what
we
often
we,
the
the
most
prevalent
type
of
medical
debt
we
find
in
these
analyzes,
it's
the
co-payment
or
the
deductible.
That
goes
along
with
people
who
have
insurance
and
so
Medicaid
I,
probably
there's
a
co-payment
whenever
a
medic
somebody
on
Medicaid
gets
a
health
care
service
from
a
doctor
or
a
hospital,
and
they
may
have
been
unable
to
pay
that
co-payment
at
deductible
and
that's
what
we're
finding
in
these
files
and
that's
the
medical
debt
that
we're
helping
to
relieve.
B
B
Thank
you
support,
commissioner
Jackson
supports.
B
We
want
there
won't
be
any
resolution
or
recommendation
at
this
meeting.
We
have
the
information
and
we're
able
to
share
it
with
our
other
Commissioners
who
are
not
on
this
committee.
B
Thank
you
all
right,
10-0
to
receive
and
file.
We
move
on
to
Health
and
Human
Services.
We
have
one
item
of
physician
deletion
and
creation.
Leon
Leanne
Stafford
is
here
to
present
information
on.
This
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
gerson's
support
by
commissioner
Joliet.
F
Good
morning,
everyone,
so
this
request
is
for
us
to
delete
the
neighborhood
and
housing
manager
manager
position
and
then
create
a
new
neighborhood
and
Housing
Development
officer,
so
due
to
the
increased
really
responsibilities
for
this
person.
If
you
remember
last
meeting
before,
we
brought
a
request
to
increase
the
housing
trust
fund
manager
from
part-time
to
full-time,
so
obviously
that
is
a
significant
addition,
additional
responsibilities
that
will
be
added
to
this
officers
plate
and
so
we're
asking
to
make
this
modification.
The
total
cost
is
just
over
14
000..
F
This
the
salary
for
this
position
is
paid
out
of
a
few
special
Revenue
grants,
so
it'll
be
a
small
hit
to
each
of
those,
but
be
able
to
attract
professionals
that
really
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
housing
and
affordable
housing.
Moving
forward.
B
G
You
Commissioners
good
morning
I'm
here
seeking
your
approval
to
move
forward
with
the
plan
to
hire
a
number
of
full-time
County
Employees,
whose
primary
function
will
be
to
clean
the
cat
and
dog
cages
in
the
kennel
at
the
animal
shelter.
As
you
know,
the
plan
has
been
approved
by
the
administration
and
from
the
budget
amendment
attached.
You
can
see
that
it's
funded
using
American
Rescue
plan
monies
in
the
fiscal
years
23
and
24,
and
will
be
funded
through
the
general
fund
beginning
in
fiscal
year
25..
G
So,
if
I
could
I'd
like
to
offer
a
little
historical
background
on
on
this
matter,
for
as
long
as
the
animal
shelter
has
been
in
existence,
the
County's
been
fortunate
to
have
a
free
cage
cleaning
services
provided
by
the
Oakland
County
Sheriff's
Office
trustee
program
every
day
for
all
those
years
jail
inmates
would
come
to
the
shelter
and
clean
the
animal
cages
at
no
cost
to
the
county.
The
inmates
I
believe,
received
credit
for
their
work
by
getting
time
off
from
their
sentences,
and
everyone
was
happy.
G
I
can
tell
you
from
first-hand
personal
experience
how
many
of
the
trustees
took
ownership.
In
their
assignments,
they
took
ownership
in
the
animals
that
they
were
charged
with
caring
for,
in
fact,
it
was
not
uncommon
for
a
trustee
to
return
to
the
animal
shelter
after
his
sentence
was
completed
so
that
they
could
adopt
an
animal
from
us.
In
most
cases,
it
was
a
joy
to
watch
these
men
work
at
the
shelter
seven
days
a
week,
rain
or
shine
hot
or
cold,
including
weekends
and
holidays.
G
The
animals
had
to
be
fed
and-
and
these
things
needed
to
be
done
immediately
every
day
of
the
week,
so
staff
took
over
and
did
as
much
as
they
could.
However,
everyone
knew
that
that
was
only
going
to
be
a
step,
a
stop
cap
measure
because
the
staff
couldn't
be
expected
to
do
their
normal
jobs
eight
hours
a
day
and
then
clean
the
shelter
for
another
six
to
eight
hours
a
day.
Seven
days
a
week
couldn't
be
done
so
on
a
temporary
basis.
G
G
I
know
they
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
county,
but
their
work
is
mostly
janitorial
and
to
ask
them
to
come
in
and
clean
dog
and
cat
cages
was
truly
something
different
from
what
they
were
used
to
and
their
employees
our
shelter
Demands
a
different
type
of
employee,
one
designed
to
care
for
the
animals
as
well
as
to
clean
up
after
them,
something
like
the
trustees
used
to
an
employee
who
would
take
ownership
of
the
animals.
It's
a
constant
job.
G
It's
a
seven
day
a
week
job,
regardless
of
the
date
on
the
calendar
or
regardless
of
whether
that
date
is
a
holiday
or
not.
It's
a
very
difficult
job
to
fill
frankly
and
saber
did
their
very
best
and
was
very
accommodating
to
our
needs.
However,
in
the
end,
their
abilities
to
do
the
work
that
had
to
be
done
fell
short,
thus
we're
here
today,
planning
and
hoping
to
hire
full-time
County
employees.
D
G
At
either
discretion,
the
contract
said
either
side
can
give
a
a
appropriate
notice
to
end
the
contract.
H
That,
if
I
might
Barbara
hanky
director
of
Public
Services
and
so
the
the
contract
with
Sabers
countywide,
there
is
an
amendment
that
is
specifically
to
cage
cleaning
within
that
contract
after
Consulting
with
purchasing
a
Corporation
Council.
H
We
the
contract,
calls
for
a
90
days
notice
of
its
termination,
but
because
the
entire
contract
wasn't
being
terminated,
we
weren't
required
to
do
that.
However,
I
have
been
in
contact
with
Anthony
saber
from
saber.
They
know
that
we're
we'll
be
going
through
the
end
of
of
April
May.
1St
is
our
Target
date
to
be
up
and
running,
so
we
have
provided
them
with
notice
because
they
have
been
such
good
partners
with
the
county.
D
B
Employees
have,
and
it's
not
just
a
job
or
a
career
to
people,
but
regarding
our
budget,
how
does
it
compare
using
saber
cleaning
versus
hiring
10
additional
people.
H
The
saber
contract
was
for
I
believe
513
thousand
dollars,
so
there
there's
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
gap,
but
we
believe
that
now
that
we're
somewhat
have
covered
behind
us
and
we'll
be
able
to
send
our
census
crews
out
in
the
summer
and
increase
our
license
sales.
H
That
is
one
of
our
our
kpis
and
and
that
we're
working
towards,
and
that
has
been
going
up.
So
we
think
we'll
be
able
to
to
cover
that
that
small
Gap
in
Redmond,
with
additional
Revenue.
I
Thank
you.
Have
you
looked
into,
I
mean
I,
know
that
your
plan
is
to
to
hire
people,
but
if
you
look
to
Outsourcing
the
cleaning
of
the
cages
to
pet
specific
cleaners,
well,.
G
H
H
Mike
and
and
it's
it's
as
Bob
said
it's
seven
days
a
week,
including
holidays,
so
on
Christmas
on
Easter,
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that
people
are
going
to
be
there.
In
fact,
this
past
New
Year's
day
we
had
a
shortage
of
of
Staff
Bob
and
his
staff
had
to
get
on
the
phone
and
calling
people
on
overtime
and
I
actually
went
in
and
spent
three
and
a
half
hours
doing
laundry
and
dishes
on
New
Year's
Day.
H
I
K
K
To
draw
it
out
because
it
really
does
get
to
the
cost,
so
this
is
about
500
000,
above
and
beyond
what
of
what
the
existing
contract
was.
No.
H
This
is
the
the
existing
contract
was
for,
like
513
000,
so
we're
taking
that
money
and
shifting
it
to
pay
for
these
positions-
and
you
know,
keep
in
mind
this.
This
is
10
positions,
but-
and
it
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
when
you're
working
you
know
seven
days
a
week,
that's
sort
of
what
we
figured
the
bare
minimum.
So
we
are
looking
hopefully
in
the
future,
to
to
at
some
point
work
again
with
the
the
sheriff's
department,
the
trustees
to
fill
any
additional
gaps
that
we
might
have
and.
K
K
K
Place
and
using
dollars
that
we
I
mean
can
and
those
dollars
expire
at
a
certain
point-
probably
warrants,
maybe
during
the
budget
process,
to
look
at
that
again
to
see.
If
we
can
recover
the
513
000
I
mean
I
might
have
to
go
up
to
twenty
dollars
or
lock
in.
Do
we
offer
like
a
three-year?
We.
G
Do
offer
a
three-year
and,
as
Barb
said,
we
are
making
a
concerted
effort
right
now
to
up
our
relation
sales.
In
fact,
right
now
before
12
o'clock,
every
Tuesday
we
offer
a
free
rabies
shot
to
all
Oakland
County
residents.
If
you
come
in
and
purchase
relations,
we
just
recently
expanded
our
sales
to
pet
store
owners.
We've
never
done
that
before
we
we
collaborate
with
any
partner
that
we
can
and
we're
we're
doing
our
very
best
to
get
up
to
our
pre-covered
levels
of
license.
G
Sales
covert
changed
a
lot
of
the
way
our
veterinarians
operated.
That's
why
we
are
offering
these
rabies
shots,
because
sometimes
it
takes
months
to
get
in
to
see
a
vet
now.
So
we
want
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
people
to
get
their
rabies
shot.
So
that
is
a
requirement
to
violation
so
we're
doing
everything
we
can.
Our
census
team
will
will
hit
the
road
again
this
summer
we
just
advertised
for
that
the
county
did
starting.
Yesterday,
we've
had
a
difficult
time,
hiring
a
full
census
team,
the
last
well
since
covid.
K
K
Absolutely
just
dogs,
not
cats
dogs,
must
be
licensed.
M
Quick
as
far
as
the
trustees
operation,
they
would
come
and
work
24,
7
365.
G
G
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
two
two
things.
So
as
you
get
your
your
individuals
going
out
and
looking
for
opportunities
to
raise
license
revenues.
That
means
that
people
in
our
communities
that
don't
have
their
dog's
licenses
will
will
be
approached
about
getting
them
licensed.
Can
we
just
make
sure
that
we
get
some
type
of
communication
out
publicly?
So
people
understand
that
we're
moving
back
into
the
game?
N
G
Every
year
we
send
a
letter
from
my
office
to
every
city
manager
or
Township
supervisor,
stating
that
we're
going
to
do
a
census
this
summer
and
then,
when
we
pick
the
communities
where
we're
going
to
census,
we
send
a
letter
directly
to
that
same
manager
and
the
police
chief
in
that
town
telling
them
what
days
we're
going
to
be
there.
We
give
them
private
phone
numbers
that
they
can
can
use
to
contact
our
office.
N
I'm
just
suggesting
so:
oh
that's
great
I'm,
suggesting
you
get
a
message
out
to
things
like
the
Oakland
Press
other
local
papers
through
through
a
press
release,
because
it's
the
public
that
needs
to
understand
it.
In
addition
to
the
city,
managers
and
everyone
else,
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say.
Is
you
know
what
do
you
think
the
likelihood
is
of
being
able
to
hire
10
people
and
have
them
in
place
and
onboarded
by
April
1st,
say
it
again?
What
do
you
think
the
likelihood?
N
What's
the
probability
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
I'm
not
trying
to
be
nasty,
I'm
trying
to
be
realistic,
I
know
people
that
have
flower
shops
and
other
things,
and
they
can't
hire
people
and
you're
going
to
try
to
hire
10
people
between
now
and
April
1st,
and
that
means
they're
on
boarded
by
April
1st,
which
means
you've
got
about
45
days.
Ish.
H
H
O
Hey
this
might
be
a
non-sequitur.
So
if
you
don't
have
the
answer,
that's
fine
but
you're
referenced.
Having
trustees
come
in
and
do
the
work
and
now
you're
hiring
people
so
did
the
trustees
ever?
Has
that
ever
been
a
consideration
or
a
thought
of
that
being
something
they
can
put
on
their
resume
as
a
way
to
like
explain
like
a
180
day
or
less
Gap
in
their
resume
or
if
they're
so
like
worthwhile
and
great
supporters?
H
I
think
that
that's
an
excellent
idea
and
the
Sheriff's
Office
also
has
inmate
you
know
caseworkers
that
provide
different
types
of
services
and
classes
and
yeah.
That
would
be
something
that,
as
you
know,
part
of
their
employment
skills
and
helping
them
build
a
resume
that
if,
if
we
had
trustees,
that
would
certainly
be
something
that
they
could
consider.
B
P
P
G
K
K
D
B
B
O
Cavell
yeah
I
was
looking
through
this
and
it
looks
like
if
I'm
help
me
understand
the
math,
because
Orion
Township
is
expecting
to
pay
147
000
dollars
and
the
cost
will
end
up
being
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
So
can
you
help
me
understand
that
that
math
or
am
I
reading
something.
L
J
L
24.
right
so
that
would
be
the
contracted
rate
for
the
next
and
actually
these
are
calendar
year
rates
and
then
the
budget
amendment
is
a
fiscal
year.
So
there's
always
some
overlap,
so
the
amounts
don't
aren't
exactly
what
you
see
in
the
budget.
Amendment
is
not
the
exact
contract
agree
because
prorate
it
for
the
calendar
University
fiscal
year.
O
O
L
N
You
very
much
yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear,
so
the
communities
that
contract
with
the
sheriff's
department,
they
actually
request
the
head
count
and
by
title
based
on
the
needs
of
their
citizen
citizenry.
So
this
is
Orient
Township
coming
to
Oakland
County,
saying
we'd
like
to
add
a
position
at
this
level
at
this
contracted
rate,
which
the
Board
of
Commissioners
adopts
the
rate
across
every
single
Community.
It's
the
same.
There's.
L
L
Their
letter
there's
a
lot
on
the
back
of
the
item,
there's
a
letter
from
the
Charter
Township
of
Oregon,
so
we're
planning
to
include
those
moving
forward.
Just
so
everybody
has
the
letter
from
the
municipality
saying.
This
is
what
we're
requesting.
I
K
K
L
K
Going
forward
so
then
the
answer
is,
we
are
still
subsidizing
these
positions,
because
that
rate
had
a
phase
in
over
a
protracted
amount
of
time
to
recover
the
eight
percent.
Maybe
it's
even
more
than
that.
That
I
mean,
according
to
our
fiscal
analysis,
that
we
were
subsidized
these
rates,
and
so
I
guess
I
mean
this
is
what
it
is
where
we
are
today.
I
feel
very
strongly
that
we
shouldn't
be
subsidizing
these
positions
and
so
going
forward.
K
B
Give
10
News
rooms
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
All
right.
Next
item
is
funding
additional
funding
to
execute
a
new
contract
to
provide
inmate
food
services
at
the
Oakland
County
Jail
I
have
a
motion
by
Commissioners
Dental
support
from
commissioner
jolia,
so
that
I
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
contract
and
food
services
so
happy
to
hear
what
any
additional
information
you'd
like
to
tell
us.
Okay,.
L
L
As
you
know,
Mr
Gatt
stated
the
whole
business
model
for
everything
that
we
do
has
changed,
and
our
food
service
previously
included
a
whole
truck
group
of
Trustees
that
help
provide
food
services
and
we
don't
have
that
available
anymore,
so
we
had
to
after
we
anticipated
cost
increases,
because
there's
so
many
external
factors
we've
all
experienced
grocery
increases.
So
there's
food
increases.
L
There
are
supply
chain
issues,
there's
staffing
issues,
so
the
agreement,
the
current
agreement
in
year
five
were
at
about
it's
0.817
per
male,
so
82
cents
a
meal,
the
new
contract
that
we're
recommending
for
year,
one
is
at
1.26
per
meal.
So,
overall
we're
asking
for
in
the
next
three
years
we're
asking
to
enter
into
a
a
new
agreement
at
an
increase
of
1
1.5
million.
L
That's
over
the
three
years
so
fiscal
year,
23
is
prorated
at
304.
600.
L
L
The
number
one
thing
is
a
fluctuating
number
of
inmate
workers,
so
what
we
did
is
do
percentages
that
if
we
had
75
to
100
inmate
workers,
it
would
be
this
cost
or
if
we
had,
you
know
down
the
scale,
we
had
them
put
contingency
plans
in
place
because
obviously,
as
Mr
Gantt
stated,
the
whole
world
stopped
in
2020
and
nobody
was
really
prepared
for
that.
We
we
made
it
through,
but
obviously
we
have
to
make
changes
going
forward,
including
contingency
plans
and
religious
meals.
L
That
was
a
there's
litigation
issues
if
we
don't
comply
with
all
of
the
original
religious
male
comp
or
requirements.
So
the
Sheriff's
Office
worked
with
the
County
Executive
Office,
Team
and
Scott's
here
from
purchasing.
If
we
have
any
questions
about
the
RFP
process,
but
it's
been
a
long
process
and
I
think
everybody
on
the
team
is
is
glad
that
it's
come
to
an
end
and
we're
looking
forward
to
moving
forward.
So
with
the
board,
we're
looking
for
your
approval
to
increase
our
appropriation,
so
we
can
continue
the
final
contract
negotiations
with
the
awarded
vendor.
L
Thank
you
and
just
a
note
if
I
made
about
trustees,
so
this
is
a
whole
conversation.
I
think
we've
had
a
couple
of
times,
but
for
us
the
number
one
thing
is
Food
Service
that
we
need
we've.
We've
used
inmate
workers
in
the
past
and
then
we
had
a
whole
laundry.
We
have
a
whole
laundry
facility
and
they
did
all
of
the
laundry
for
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
that's
been
completely
shut
down.
L
So
since
covid
we've
been
contracting
out
those
services
and
we'd
like
to
re-implement
those
at
some
point,
they
also
provided
cleaning
services
in
the
jail
and
since
that
time
we're
also
Contracting
with
saber
the
same
company
that
that
the
animal
shelter
is
previously.
We
did
Children's
Village
laundry
and
we
cleaned
for
the
animal
shelter,
and
then
we
also
did
clean
up
at
parks.
So
there
was
a
huge
network
of
you
know:
inmate
labor,
that
we
used
and-
and
so
obviously
we
anticipated
this.
At
least
a
minimal
pricing
increase
for
this
contract.
B
P
Oh
commissioner,
mcgilvery
Yeah
question
Dad
I'm
the
on
the
trustees
working
for
Parks,
the
laundry
the
Food
Services.
Why
did
that
come
to
an
end.
Q
P
Q
B
N
Just
the
question:
isn't
this
issue
ultimately
revolve
around
the
courts
and
how
the
courts
actually
sentence
people
and
change
that
during
covid,
so
you
don't
have
as
many
non-violent
criminals
in
the
jail
which
is
who
you
were
using
in
the
past.
So
when
you
say
the
population's
not
available,
it's
literally
the
people
that
are
sentenced
in
a
way
that
would
allow
them
to
do
these
chores
are
not
in
the
jail.
Is
that
correct.
Q
R
L
So
if
you
are
currently
it's
0.817,
so.
R
R
Right,
of
course,
that's
a
whole
nother
issue,
who
is
the
who
hires
The
dietitian,
that
oversees
the
meals
they.
L
O
I
said
it
made
me:
think
of
there
is
an
increase
in
cost
per
meal
each
year.
O
Is
that
amount
and
rate
standard
or
is
there
some
other
reason
why
the
cost
went
up,
because
if
meals
are
81,
82
cents
isn't
like
the
national
average
85
cents,
so
I
understand
inflation
on
that,
but
the
cost
going
up
each
year
feels
I,
don't
know.
Can
you
tell
me
why.
L
Well
and
a
portion
of
it
is
Staffing
as
well,
so
each
proposal
that
we
had
had
this
one
actually
has
an
increase
in
two
staff
members,
so
that
would
that
would
contribute
to
a
part
of
it
but
yeah.
Overall,
it's
it's
mostly
inflation
in
the
cost
of
and
I
mean
81
cents
is
really
really
pretty
low,
sure
so,
and
that
was
year
five.
Obviously
the
pandemic
has
changed
so
many
things:
I,
don't
that
81
cents
a
meal
isn't
realistic
anymore,
even
even
in
the
current.
O
O
Was
there
commissary
percentage
the
same
see
one
thing
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around?
Is
these
companies
are
trying
to
make
money
off
of
our
incarcerated
residents
and
their
families
and
they're
using
us
as
the
way
to
end
our
taxpayers
as
the
way
to
make
a
profit
that
isn't
kept
in
our
County
and
I?
Don't
even
think
our
state
right-
or
these
two
companies
from
here
so
like
this-
is
very
extractive,
so
I'm
thinking
about?
How
can
we
limit
that
extraction?
So,
for
example,
the
commissary
is
50
percent.
L
D
O
Q
M
Just
want
to
piggyback
on
something
my
fellow
commissioner
Genji
stated
as
far
as
this.
This
may
start
with
the
courts
and
we
have
a
reduction
in
population
because
of
covid,
and
you
share
a
child's
mention
that
we
are
kind
of
the
population
is
ramping
back
up,
I'm
concerned
with
just
the
comment
that
it
starts
with
the
courts
and
jail
reform
and
all
types
of
things
that
are
going
on.
M
Barbara
Hank
is
not
here
anymore,
to
reduce
the
population
outside
of
a
pandemic,
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
coming
to
an
end,
but
now
we're
looking
at
other
Arenas
that
are
trying
to
decrease
the
population
that
affects
these
kind
of
contract.
Pricing.
M
There's
a
note
on
the
pricing
page
and
it
says
it's
year
three,
but
it's
saying-
and
it
might
be
a
note
that
is
pertaining
to
every
year
that
says:
there's
a
90
dollar
charge
per
hour
when
we
don't
use
the
contracted
employees
from
our
mark.
So
I
guess
I'm.
Just
at
the
point
where
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
as
though
the
cure
to
this
will
be
more
inmate
labor.
M
But
looking
at
you
know
where
we're
trying
to
go
as
a
county
as
far
as
jail,
population
reduction
efforts
and
Court
proceedings
that
are
trying
to
decrease
the
population
seems
like
we're
at
a
point
of
diminishing
return
as
far
as
inmate
work,
because
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
population.
So
what
do
we
foresee
I?
M
Guess
we
have
an
Aramark
person
here,
right,
I
was
introduced
to
all
of
us
and
we
know
that
Aramark
is
a
for-profit
company,
but
at
the
same
time
this
is
something
that's
affecting
your
operations
across
the
board,
because
you
know
Oakland,
County
Jail
is
only
Glu
service.
What
do
we
foresee
in
the
future
continued
increased
pricing
or
is
there
another
way
that
we
can
fulfill
this
Gap
without
trying
to
intentionally
increase
our
jail
population?.
L
Well,
it's
a
definite
cause
and
effect
so
and
that's
that's
the
way,
I
think
throughout
the
pandemic,
that
we've
noted
that
we
had
this
whole
business
model
and
that's
how
the
county
operated.
So
obviously
you
heard
it
from
Mr
Gatt
that
his
whole
facility
functioned
on
having
inmate
workers
come
in
and
take
care
of
business
for
seven
hours
a
day
or
eight
hours
a
day,
and
then
his
staff
was
able
to
maintain
the
rest.
I
mean
it
was
the
same
thing
in
the
jail
with
food
service
laundry.
L
So
so
every
service
that
we're
not
able
to
provide
with
the
inmate
labor.
Then
that's
a
cause
or
that's
a
cost
on
the
other
side,
so
we've
had
to
negotiate
contracts
and
find
try
to
find
people
that
could
fulfill
that
and
it's
tough
because,
like
somebody
said,
you
can't
get
there's
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
that
are
struggling
to
hire.
You
know
employees
on
in
the
outside
world,
much
less
get
them
to
work
inside
a
correctional
facility,
so
yeah.
There
is
a
definite
and
that's
more
of
a
philosophical
question.
L
M
M
The
share
of
the
share
of
child's
mentioned-
he
said:
oh
you
mentioned
it,
it's
not
who
we're
mad
at
but
who
we
can
use,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
not
trying
to
jail
exactly
right.
So
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know,
Aramark
is
approach
to
this
or
you
know,
but
I
guess
we
just
need
to
maybe,
as
Commissioners
and
public
servants
really
look
at
this.
We
are
looking
at
this
model,
but
looking
at
looking
at
it
other
than
prices.
L
Yeah
and
absolutely
we
went
out
to
bed
and
that's
exactly
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
all
the
competing
companies
and
you
know
they
can.
They
can
provide
similar
services
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
they
can
all
provide
the
service
that
we
need,
then
we
look
for
the
lowest
qualified
bidder
and
this
was
the
lowest
price
proposal.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
a
lot
of
thoughts,
so
I
mean
but
I'm
gonna
try
to
keep
my
comments
like
to
the
policy
side
and
the
operation
side
Less
on
the
financial,
because
I
know
Finance
is
going
to
deal
with
us
because
I
think
there
are
some
other
Financial
costs.
K
What
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone?
The
reason
why
we're
bringing
this
before
us
in
this
capacity
is
because
this
is
one
of
the
contracts
requests
to
be
pulled
off
the
budget
to
be
authorized
where
I
mean
could
not
otherwise
been
because
a
it's
a
pretty
large
substantial
cost
and
because
it's
generated
a
lot
of
questions
in
the
past,
so
I
mean
I,
know.
We've
got
Mr
guzzy
here
from
an
RFP
process,
but
just
I
mean
I'm.
K
The
high
level
summary
we
put
out
the
RFP
bids
came
back
out
of
the
three
two
rows
to
the
top.
Can
you
speak
actually?
Can
you
come
exercise?
K
Can
you
speak
to
like
how
that
RFP
was
structured?
What
percent
was
I
mean
points
awarded
to
cost
and
then
what
points
like
to
the
technical
aspect?
I.
J
Don't
have
that
all
with
me
right
now,
but
cost
if
I
remember
was
approximately
about
20
20
of
the
total
RFP
piece,
because
we
looked
at
the
Quality,
the
Staffing.
You
know
technical.
K
L
Yeah
so
too
so
Lieutenant
Weir
from
the
jail
and
then
Deputy
moonlightner.
L
In
the
kitchen
oversees
the
kitchen
Katie
West,
who
is
the
supervisor
of
contracts
and
grants
for
the
Sheriff's
Office
Dana
Fisher,
who
she
has
a
new
title
and
I
can't
think
of
it
off
the
top
of
my
head?
Joe
Joe
Dahl,
who
is
the
buyer
from
purchasing
and
Terry
brockmiller?
Who
is
the
financial
analyst
that
works
in
fiscal
services
but
oversees
the
Sheriff's
Office
budget?.
K
When
I
mean
questions
were
I
mean
raised
and
I
think
we're
looking
back
and
some
of
the
challenge
covet
definitely
had
a
challenge,
but
even
before
covet
we
had
some
challenge.
I
mean
there
were
staffing
issues
right
so
like
when,
if
Staffing
I
mean
of
the
income
provider
couldn't
no
shows,
then
it
had
to
be
backfilled
with
correction
staff.
There.
Q
Q
K
Q
L
I
believe
the
note
that
commissioner
Jackson
just
pointed
out
where
it
says
on
the
pricing,
so
it
says
if
there
are
not
enough
contract
workers
to
provide
meal
services
and
inmates
in
Oakland.
County
Sheriff's
office
has
to
assist
a
remarkable
credit.
The
invoice
at
90
per
hour
per
employee
for
any
amount
of
time
that
was
worked
by
Oakland
County
staff
to
ensure
meal
services
are
not
interrupted
so.
L
K
K
A
draft,
a
scope
of
services:
yes,
we
don't
have
the
contract
yet,
okay,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
like
locked
into
I
mean
if
that's
the
plan,
that's
great.
So
that's
the
first
I
mean
that's
the
first
thing
and
and
that's
going
to
also
require
a
I
mean
from
a
performance
and
contract
administrator.
I.
K
Think
that
we're
going
to
have
to
be
very
it's
not
just
like
an
invoice
Arena
that
we
have
to
monitor
them,
because
the
next
thing
I
want
to
go
into
from
the
labor
model
seem
seemingly
has
to
shift
anyway.
Because
of
the
trustee
argument
that
was
mentioned.
What
what
is
the
Staffing
level
that
the
sheriff
department
and
the
leadership
believe
is
necessary
to
staff
this
operation
to
ensure
that
there's
enough
supervision
and
the
operation
didn't
happen?
D
K
K
K
K
Plenty,
yes,
in
terms
of
the
food,
nothing
like
a
bunch
of
grumbly
tummies
and
not
good
food
to
Upstate,
a
population
that
makes
everyone's
job
harder.
What
is
the
I
mean?
Are
these
cold
meals,
hot
meals?
I
know
that
there
were
efforts
to
try
to
I,
mean
try
to
cut
costs
and
save
costs
wherever
possible,
I
saw
in
one
of
the
memos
I
guess
we
could
get
rid
of
some
fresh
fruit
option,
so
I
mean
like
that
seemed
like
the
wrong
direction.
L
K
D
D
J
The
basic
meal
we're
in
control
of
but
we
do
have
a
cost
increase.
You
saw
for
the
medical
and
for
the
religious
and
that
could
change.
You
know
you
so
right
now
you
know
it's
proposed,
but
you
know
I,
guess
if
you
started
having
issues
with
it,
then
we
would
have
to
go
back
and
revisit
that
a
little
bit
on
note
on
those
pieces
right
and.
L
L
We
had
to
work
with
what
was
available
and
what
the
supply
chain
could
give
us,
because
you
know
that
was
got
a
little
dicey
for
a
while,
but
yeah
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
too
too
hot
in
a
cold
and
that's
the
plan
and
is
it
much
variety
as
our
structure
allows
us
I
mean
there's
certain
items
that
we're
not
allowed
to
serve.
We
don't
have
any
pork
products
so
just.
Q
And
we
do
I'm
sorry,
we
do
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
quality
inspections,
but
people
will
complain
if
the
food's
not
right.
So
we
hear
about
it
and
if
it's
easy
for
us
to
see,
we
address
with
air
Mark
I've
been
there
when
that's
occurred
and
I
can
specifically
remember
last.
There
was
one
instance
where
the
meat
had
a
discoloration
to
it.
It
looked
like
it
was
not
good
come
to
find
out,
it
was,
but
we
had
them
order
new
meat,
so
yeah.
K
H
K
It
requires
more
work
to
I
mean
to
monitor
that
I
I
mean
I
mean
Aramark
is
a
National
Corporation
I
know,
I
mean
the
margin
on
this
stuff
has
got
to
be
difficult
and
I
mean
frankly,
I
mean
hats
off
to
anyone.
I
mean
we
talked
about
trying
to
get
new
staff
at
the
animal
shelter
to
get
staff
to
work
in
a
jail
when
there
are
other
options
out
there
I
mean
just
make.
K
It
is
a
difficult
and
challenging
I
mean
situation,
but
one
that
we
need
to
provide
for
so
I
guess
from
a
contract,
administrative
Administration
to
make
certain
that,
from
a
performance
perspective
that
we
are
monitoring.
This
and
I
bring
this
up
because
of
I
mean
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
at
least
in
some
of
the
documentation
that
it
referenced,
that
there
was
concerns
about
sufficient
Staffing
and
the
labor
motto
was
inefficient.
That
was
communicated
and
a
couple
extra
people
might
help
address
that.
J
J
K
K
It
is
the
industry,
I
mean
this
is
the
difficult
job
to
get
employed
so
on
that
and
pointing
fingers
I'm
just
saying
from
our
perspective
from
a
performance
perspective.
What
what
remedy
do
we
have
like?
If
this
is
not?
Does
it
have
the
same
type
of
language
that
we
I
mean
reserve
the
right
to
I
mean
economy
changes,
food
prices,
changes
to
give
notice.
J
K
To
me,
given
the
size
of
this
contract
and
because
that
is
a
significant
increase
and
there
was
going
to
be
some
increase
regardless
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
make
that
happen.
I
I
in
the
RFP
process
that
we
also
went
to
I
mean
we
submitted
a
best
and
final
offer
request
to
the
top
two
best
communicating.
We
really
want
a
reduction
in
things,
but
but
it
didn't
seem
like
the
commissary
arm
was
part
of
that
it
was,
it
I
mean.
Were
we
just.
K
Hello
I
heard
your
voice.
It
has
to
augment
the.
Q
K
L
One,
it
doesn't
come
to
the
Sheriff's
Office,
because
it's
been
zero
for
the
pandemic
because
we
call
it
fresh
favorites,
we
cut
whatever.
So
it's
it's.
It's
really
been
diminished
during
that
time,
we're
not
back
to
a
new
normal,
so
I'd
have
to
get
you
numbers
on
that.
K
N
K
N
I
guess
I
was
just
gonna,
come
back
real,
quick
to
commissioner
Jackson's
point
and
which
started
from
my
comment
on
the
the
starts
with
the
courts.
Wasn't
that
I
think
the
court
should
change
things?
N
So
now
we
have
to
either
build
or
buy
and
I
know
at
one
point
in
time
now,
I
don't
think.
Since
I've
been
on
the
board,
we
actually
had
an
internal
staff
doing
this
work,
I
think
we've
always
been
it
out,
at
least
from
what
I
recall.
It's
been
many
many
years
and
when
you
start
looking
at
that,
just
from
a
business
perspective,
right,
you're
gonna
have
to
hire
people
who
are
going
to
be
fully
loaded.
Insurance
benefits,
401K
contributions,
Etc
and
then
we're
going
to
be
in
the
same
boat
here
saying
like
well.
N
We
can
only
afford
this
much,
but
we
need
to
provide
all
these
services
and
we
want
to
only
pay
this
much,
but
we
want
this
for
private
company
to
provide
all
these
things
for
us,
10
people,
great
food,
all
this
thing
and
it's
a
it's
a
tough
Balancing
Act
and
the
reality
is:
we've
made
the
decision
through
the
sheriff
and
the
and
and
the
Coulter
Administration
to
say
that
we
want
to
partner
instead
of
buy.
We
want
to
buy
instead
of
build
I'm.
N
Assuming
that's
why
we
went
out
for
bid
and
then
the
commissioner
Woodward's
pointer
chairman
Woodward's
point:
the
bid
goes
through
purchasing,
it's
very
structured,
it's
very
transparent,
it's
very
meticulous
and
it's
very
comparable
and
we
picked
the
lowest
qualified
bidder
driven
by
price
and
the
ability
to
meet
our
requirements
and
so
to
me,
I
get
the
argument.
Well,
we
want
to
pay
them
less,
but
we
want
them
to
do
more.
Should
we
do
it
ourselves,
because
we
can
do
it
cheaper,
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case.
B
O
Let's
go
well
I
wanted
to
ask
if
they
were
because,
looking
through
the
scope
of
work,
there
didn't
seem
to
be
like
a
pay
floor
for
the
employees,
the
nine
soon
to
be
nine
Aramark
folks
or
the.
However
many
12
for
the
other
folks.
Is
there
any
consideration
as
to
how
much
the
employees
for
the
vendors
will
be
paid.
O
Okay,
because
I
think
to
what
you
said,
commissioner
Ginger
right
we're
having
this
kind
of
right.
It
sounds
like
culture
shift
over
the
diminishing
returns,
the
quality
versus
cost.
You
know
the
pandemic
inflation
all
this
stuff.
So
to
me,
it
feels
uncomfortable
to
kind
of
I
guess,
in
my
opinion,
not
vet,
at
least
from
my
vantage
point.
O
I
know
you
all
looked
it
over,
but
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
fair
shake,
or
at
least
more
oversight
or
quality
control,
and
not
give
them
a
three-year
contract,
because
this
will
be
years
like
23,
4
and
5
of
them
having
a
contract
which
also
just
sounds
like
bad
practice
and
poor
oversight
on
our
part,
which
is
like
our
only
job
so
I
feel
uncomfortable
with
this.
Unless
we
talk
about
shortening
it,
having
more
oversight
and
considerations
to
that
effect,
commissioner,
Woodward.
K
The
two
things
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
in
commissioner
Cabell
started
icon
like
what
the
base
level
salary
reality
is
that
if
you
don't
pay
a
better
than
minimum
wage
level
of
salary,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
people
to
want
to
work
in
this
capacity,
and
we
will
have
chronic
issues
going
forward
so
that
it
needs
to
be
addressing
somehow.
But
I
want
to
go
back
to
like
the
original
bid
and
I
and
I
do
have.
K
I
have
faith
in
the
Integrity
of
our
bid
process
and
I
appreciate
using
all
the
levers,
including
the
best
and
final
offer
request
to
try
to
get
that
cost
down
as
low
as
possible.
K
K
K
K
This
is
the
policy
question
that
the
Appropriations
will
actually
finance
will
be
delve
more
into
that,
so
I'm
not
even
going
to
go
there,
but
it
is
a
structural
issue
that
we
are
creating
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
costs
are
controlled
as
best
as
we
possibly
can
for
our
fiscal
Health
going
forward.
So
I'm
going
to
vote
for
I.
D
B
And
thanks
thanks
to
both
for
being
here.
Our
next
item
is
from
the
sheriff's
department,
a
Grant
application
with
the
Michigan
Department
of
Natural
Resources
for
the
2023
Marine
safety
program.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nelson
support
from
commissioner
ginto.
Anything
you
want
to
add
about
the
grant
for
marine
safety
nope.
L
This
is
just
our
annual
application
and
obviously
we
we
ask
for
as
many
eligible
expenses
as
we
can
this
year,
we're
asking
for
almost
626
000.
Last
year
we
only
got
166
thousand
six
hundred
dollars,
but
we're
always
always
trying
to
maximize
our
dollars.
So
thank
you.
S
S
Conversation
I
know
that
this
committee
has
had
a
lot
I
know.
We've
had
other
conversations
outside
of
this
specifically
in
regards
to
how
in
the
world,
do
we
guarantee
and
ensure
that
the
safety
on
our
lakes
and
it
not
only
the
most
cost
effective
way,
but
knowing
that
there's
challenges
so
I'm
hopeful,
hopefully
this
year
with
a
lot
of
the
exposures
that
people
found
throughout
the
pandemic
outside
and
on
our
Lakes
I
am
hopeful
that
we
get
more
money
because
out
of
the
maybe
500
000
from
last
year,
what
we
got
100
a.
S
I
Thank
you,
I
Echo,
commissioner
Nelson's
thoughts,
I'm,
obviously
part
of
Waterford
and
Independence.
We
have
all
of
the
lakes
and
it
was
great
to
see
the
presence
on
the
Lakes,
especially
during
the
holiday
weekend.
Obviously,
there's
not
enough
funding
for
all
of
the
Lakes,
but
should
this
Grant
come
through
at
a
higher
amount?
Do
you
foresee
that
changing.
I
I
L
I
L
H
I
S
You
just
quickly
I
do
want
to,
as
commissioner
Joliet
was
sharing
some
of
the
things.
I
know
that
we
still
have
and
plan
to
move
forward.
I
think
at
this
point,
I
don't
know
otherwise,
but
with
the
additional
we
do
have
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
the
grant
program
that
we
put
in
place
for
last
boating
season.
So
that
is
something
that.
H
S
Have
to
work
with
when
it
comes
to
making
sure
that
we
are
maintaining
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in
commissioner
mcgal
gray,
yeah.
P
I'm
sure
that
the
sheriff's
department
has
a
lobbyist,
that
that
represents
him
in
Lansing.
Yes,
and
and
are
we
trying
to
increase
that
funding.
L
P
When
you've
got
20
fishing
boats
out
there
and
a
huge
great
big
lake,
you
take
Pontiac
Lake,
for
example,
there's
boats
zooming
around
there
all
the
time
with
swimmers
in
the
water
and
and
everything
so
I
guess
we
need
to
work
harder
at
trying
to
prove
our
point
to
the
state,
whether
that
be
a
video
or
photos
or
something
in
comparison
to
the
other.
It
just
seems
crazy
that
that
we
can't
get
that
amount
increased
when
we
have
the
most
registered
boats
in
the
entire
state.
R
N
N
What
and
at
one
point
in
time
I
know
representative
nolenberg
tried
to
do
it
with
the
gas
tax
and
it
was
a
win
go
as
far
as
say
to
Massacre,
but
it
didn't
go
over
very
well,
it's
not
to
say
we
shouldn't.
Do
it
I'm,
just
saying:
there's
there's
historical
barriers
here,
but
you
don't
get
it.
If
you
don't
ask
and
and
there's
always
new
ways
to
to
go
after
it.
B
98
zero
names
all
right,
Martian
carries.
Thank
you.
Last
item
from
the
sheriff's
department
is
a
Grant
application
with
the
office
of
National
Drug
control
policy
for
the
2024
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area
program,
and
this
is
a
Grant
application
with
no
match
I.
Have
a
motion
by
commissioner
mcgilvery
support
from
commissioner
Julia.
L
B
L
Is
our
annual
application
for
the
Haida
Grant
this
year,
we're
applying
for
132
300?
The
majority
of
that
is
for
partial
overtime,
reimbursement
for
our
narcotics
investigators
and
then
the
remaining
funding
is
used
for
communication
services.
Thank
you.
There
will
be
if
we
get
it,
and
hopefully
we're
back
here
asking
you
for
your
acceptance.
B
Thanks
for
your
time,
all
right,
we
moved
to
our
last
item
resolution
supporting
the
mentors
plus
program
through
Oakland
County
Youth
assistance,
so
we've
had
some
feedback
that
the
person
holding
this
position
is
retiring
or
will
no
longer
be
in
this
position,
and
so
that
brings
some
thought
that
the
mentors
plus
program
may
not
continue,
and
we
would
like
to
encourage
that
program
to
continue.
I
am
a
youth
assistance
chair
and
I
understood
that
they
weren't
going
to
continue
the
program,
but
for
a
different
reason
than
the
person
retiring
or
the
budget.
B
I
Thank
you,
and
there
is
a
court
administrator
Mr
ofner
here
to
speak
on
the
Court's
behalf.
Judge
Mattis
could
not
make
it
to
explain
their
structure
and
why
it
happened
and
I.
If
you
want
to
come,
it
can
be.
Yes.
B
C
Good
after
good
yeah
good
afternoon,
commissioner,
so
I
guess
I
know,
commissioner
Joliet
is
introducing
a
resolution
that
would
be
a
support
in
support
of
the
continuance
of
mentors
plus
and
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
if
I
just
sort
of
explained
how
we
got
to
this
point.
C
You
may
remember
that,
a
couple
years
ago
the
county
executive
asked
all
of
the
elected
officials
and
the
Departments
under
his
authority
to
make
budget
cuts
and
it
was
going
to
be
a
five-year
program
and
they
stress
that
it
should
be
Personnel
cuts
and
our
budget
task
was
1.8
million,
which
is
sizable,
I
mean
you
can
imagine
if
you
had
a
say,
a
position:
cost
60
or
70
000.
You
add
fringe
benefits.
That's
about
a
hundred
thousand
per
position
that
would
be
like
18
positions
for
us
to
get
1.8
million.
C
They
asked
that
it'd
be
1.1
million
in
the
first
two
years
and
then
the
700
000
would
come
in
years
three
through
five,
so
we
began
the
process
of
of
trying
to
identify
potential
budget
cuts
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
county
did
to
make
it
a
little
easier
for
us
because
we
didn't
want
to
harm
existing
employees.
We
didn't
want
to
engage
in
layoffs.
C
So
that
was
important
and
and
helpful
and
then,
but
we
also
had
to
think
about
many
of
the
functions
that
are
performed
by
the
court
are
required:
they're
mandated
by
Constitution
or
State
statute
or
Court
rule,
and
but
some
are
not.
And
and
youth
assistance
is
a
discretionary
program
in
the
true
sense
of
the
word.
C
Youth
assistance
falls
organizationally
under
the
Family
Division,
so
they
reviewed
all
of
the
potential
budget
cuts
that
would
impact
the
Family
Division
and
we
knew
we
were
going
to
have
a
vacancy
in
this
position
because
the
incumbent
employee,
her
name,
is
Julie
Stitz.
Some
of
you
may
know
her.
She
chose
to
take
the
vesp
and
I
think
her
last
day
is
I.
Think
the
March
1
is
coming
up
in
just
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
our
judges
and
some
of
the
other
options
were
very
unattractive
to
the
judges.
C
You
know
eliminating
a
Friend
of
the
Court
referee
position
or
eliminating
the
juvenile
court
referee
position
and
we
we
knew,
for
example,
on
the
juvenile
side.
We
had
a
vacancy.
We
also
had
an
employee
who
took
the
vespan,
so
we
had
suggested
to
the
judges
that
might
be
one
place
that
they
could
look,
because
there
would
be
a
vacancy
there
and
with
kovitz
some
of
the
juvenile
delinquency
filings
were
down,
but
then
the
age
18
legislation
was
adopted.
C
You
may
remember
which
said
that
if
you're
age,
18
you're
now
Under
the
Umbrella
of
the
juvenile
court
and
so
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
we
try
to
determine
how
many
additional
juveniles
that
would
bring
into
our
system
and
we
estimated
about
250
260.,
and
so
we
knew
that
we
we
couldn't
eliminate
that
position,
despite
the
fact
that
we
knew
it
would
become
vacant
because
of
a
retirement.
C
So
when
the
dust
settled
on
everything,
the
family
judges
difficult
as
it
was
made
a
recommendation
that
we
would
delete
among
a
lot
of
positions,
the
y,
a
casework
position
that
was
facilitating
the
mentor's
health
program,
then
my
chief
judge
appointed
a
committee
of
eight
of
his
colleagues.
We
call
it
our
budget
Circuit
Court
budget
committee
and
the
family
judges.
All
of
our
budget
cuts
were
then
from
our
civil
Criminal
Division
and
our
family
division
were
sent
to
this
budget
committee
and
they
reviewed
them
all
agreed
with
that
sent
a
recommendation
to
the
full
bench.
C
Full
bench
agreed.
So
we
had
like
three
levels
of
review
and
it
was
not
made
flippingly
I
just
want
to
assure
you
of
that.
It
was
a
lot
of
consideration
and
so
forth,
and
so
that
was
done
and
that
was
incorporated
into
our
budget
cut
request
for
2023,
of
which
we
are
a
quarter
of
the
way
through
that
that
year,
then
the
county
Executives
told
us.
C
C
So
that's
kind
of
the
background
as
to
how
this
position
came
to
be
proposed
for
elimination.
But
our
judges
know
the
value
of
the
mentors
plus
program
which
which
conceptually
at
a
high
level
is.
This
individual's
task
was
to
try
to
recruit
volunteers,
to
serve
as
mentors
and
there's
a
whole
lot
of
work.
That
goes
with
that.
So
I'm
really
simplifying
it.
I
apologize
for
that.
C
There's
a
lot
behind
the
scenes
to
try
to
get
mentors
and
then
match
them
with
kids
who
the
juvenile
caseworkers,
who
are
working
in
all
of
your
school
districts,
would
deem
eligible
for
that
program
that
they,
whatever
the
parameters
or
the
the
criteria,
are
in
regard
to
each
of
their
respective
cases.
If
it
kind
of
matched,
then
they
would
try
to
put
those
two
together.
C
So
when
it
became
clear
that
the
individual
who
who
facilitates
that
for
the
court,
was
going
to
retire
and
that
that
position
was
included
in
our
budget
cuts
for
this
current
fiscal
year,
the
we
began
to
reach
out
and
there's
an
organization
in
southeast
Michigan
called
big
brothers
and
big
sisters.
C
You
may
be
familiar
with
that
and
we're
I
spoke
with
the
chief
of
why
yesterday
a
woman
named
Liz
seismadia,
some
of
you
may
know
her,
and
she
indicated
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
underway
to
try
to
have
them
kind
of
pick
up
where
we're
going
to
be
leaving
off
and
that
they
would
perform
that
role
of
of
providing
mentors
and
that
our
youth
assistants,
caseworkers,
who
again
are
in
each
of
your
communities,
would
identify
a
youth
that
might
be
appropriate
for
that
program.
C
But
instead
of
us
doing
the
pairing
of
the
mentee
with
the
mentor,
it
would
be
done
by
this
other
organization.
So
we
it
wasn't
that
our
judges
were
trying
to
completely
eliminate
the
program
with
no
ability
moving
forward
to
have
that
service
performed.
It's
just
that
it
would
be
performed
by
it
for
private,
a
private
for-profit
entity
rather
than
a
rather
than
the
court.
So
that's
kind
of
a
nutshell
of.
B
K
D
P
So,
first
of
all,
I
served
for
a
few
years
on
the
youth
assistance.
Coordinating
Council
I'm
active
in
my
local
one.
Youth
assistants
in
Madison
Heights
have
been
for
several
years
prior
to
that
years
ago.
I
was
part
of
Big
Brothers,
as
you
mentioned,
and
and
I
had
a
family
of
with
a
couple.
P
Boys
and
and
I
could
literally
see
the
difference
that
that
program,
you
know,
helped
so
much
with
that
family,
so
I'm,
very
much
in
favor
of
this
and
I
I
think
the
court
I
understand
that
you're
told
to
make
budget
cuts,
but
at
the
same
time
I
I
think
you
have
to
evaluate
and
I
hope
you
did
how
much
this
program
is
good
for
the
community
and
and
I
I
just
would
hate
to
see
it
go
so.
O
C
O
C
O
K
So
I
mean
I,
think
you're
curing
around
here,
I
guess
what
I
was
surprised
that
this
kind
of
like
sprung
on
me
and
had
no
idea
that
this
was
part
of
the
cuts
and
I
believe
this
was
part
of
any
budget.
I
mean
the
budget
hearings
that
this
was
never
mentioned
to
the
board
that
this
I
mean
the
course
decided
to
eliminate
this
position.
Is
that
inaccurate.
K
D
K
Cool
I
mean
that's
I
if
we,
if,
if
we're
eliminating
I
mean
if
we're
making
budget
decisions
and
there
sometimes
there
are
tough
budget
decisions
that
needs
to
be
disclosed
and
that's
what's
happening
because
it
feels
like
I
voted
for
a
budget.
I
would
not
have
voted
for
the
budget
if
it
was
if
it
were
eliminating
mentality,
Mentor
Plus.
K
Secondly,
I
guess:
I
mean
I,
think
you're,
hearing
the
support
for
Mentor,
plus
and
I.
Guess
the
requests
and
I
don't
know
if
you
need
a
formal
requests
or
just
the
ask
of,
can
you
go
and
look
at
your
budget
and
find
a
way
to
fund
this.
K
Like
the
requirement
is
like
an
inform,
we
don't
need
a
formal
motion,
but
I
think
there
would
be
a
this
committee.
Yeah
yeah
tell
judge
Mattis
like
what
we're
to
ask
I
mean
whatever
and
like
would
like
to
find
a
way
for
this
program
to
understand
what
this
was
just.