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From YouTube: ORI Office Hours 22 November 2022
Description
wide-ranging discussion
B
It's
where
the
Defcon,
it's
where
our
local
Defcon
group
meets
so
I
I
like
it
as
a
background.
It
makes
me
feel
like
a
meta,
Defcon
Meetup,
all
right,
so
yeah
I,
guess
the
yes,
the
birds
escaped
again,
so
we
I
guess
it's
almost
like
toddlers
escaping
it's.
It's
exciting.
B
A
A
I
was
just
we
should
talk
about
whether
we
need
to
order
one
of
those
elad
e-tuners
just
to
have
one.
C
D
A
B
A
It's
a
repackaging
of
the
mini
tuner
but
available
and
with
an
actual
box
around
it,
so
a
dvbs2
receiver
that
can
receive
in
at
if
from
250
to
2450
megahertz
150
Euro.
If
you
don't
have
to
pay
for
that.
C
D
B
D
I
have
to
agree
to
this
there's
a
statement
here,
but
it's
all
in
French
what
am
I
agreeing
to
it's.
B
B
A
There
is,
but
you
have
to
dismiss
the
the
disclaimer
before
it'll,
let
you
click.
A
So
should
we
buy
one
for
the
lab
or
just
for
for
personal
use,.
B
A
B
Yeah
I
was
not
paying
attention
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you.
Every
yeah,
so
yeah
anyway
Rick.
That's
that's
what
we're
talking
about
so
yeah
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
let's
go
ahead
and
buy
it
then
or
I
can
own
it
and
it
can
stay
with
the
lab
and
if
I
ever
need
to
take
mine
back
then
then
I
can
do
that,
because
I
might
want
to
build
a
station
that
uses
it
for
the
stuff
that
we're
putting
up
that.
We
will
definitely
be
putting
up
on
mountains.
B
Can
I
think
we
can
afford
it?
We've
used
up
I
think
we
were
right
exactly.
We
did
a
really
good
job,
so
we
had
a
budget
for
one
remote
lab
and
we've
managed
to
get
three
remote
Labs
like
two
remote
Labs
plus
some
remote
lab
equipment
actually
Four,
some
remote
lab
equipment
in
Washington
DC
for
remote
Lab,
East
version
2.0
and
then
in
remote,
lab
South
and
remote
lab
west
from
the
original
grant.
That
really
only
had
room,
you
know
had
allocation
for
one
and
then
remote
lab
in
the
UK.
B
So
so
we're
we're
quota
busting
but
like
we
don't
have
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
budget,
but
but
I
think
we
have
some
donations
that
might
be
able
to
cover
it.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
it.
I'll
write
it
down
as
an
action
item
so
that
we
can
have
of
a
really
useful
piece
of
equipment
in
the
lab.
C
Wow
this
is
this
is
a
the
Linux
version
of
well
which
drives
the
mini
tuner.
So
I
fork
it
and
then
it's
well
one.
You
can
command
it
and
have
all
the
statues
in
mqtt.
So
it's
very
convenient
and
the
other
is
that
it
now
have
the
transport
stream
output,
which
is
which
has
the
windows
version.
Only
and
now
there
is
the
BB
frame
output
with
this
Fork.
B
B
B
D
Oh
I,
cleaned
up
I've
got
a
project
over
here
for
NASA.
That's
all
done,
I'm
just
waiting
for
them
to
send
money
and
I'll
return
it
and
then
I
got
a
clean
bench.
So
I
went
and
pulled
out
a
box
that
has
all
my
vigilance
stuff
in
it
and
there
we
have
are
perfectly
good
fpga
board
for
me
to
get
back
in
business
with
right.
D
D
Well,
it
was
ripped
off
the
board
complete
with
all
the
traces
and
all
the
pads
underneath
it
totally
ripped
off
the
board.
Physically
I
have
rtv'd
it
back
on
board,
so
don't
be
yeah,
don't
think
it's
working
yet
and
I
am
slowly
proceeding
with
number
30
layer
to
hook
up
all
nine
pins,
plus
two
special
pins
plus
the
case
and
I'm
trying
to
get
it
all
hooked
back
up
again.
What.
B
B
D
D
Something
you
had
six
of
the
wires
hooked
up.
They
were
the
easy
ones
and
and
and
I
now
well,
I'm
I'll
get
it
working
again
and
I
have
and
I
have
a
project.
No
and
I
saw
that
you
sent
an
email
to
Max
I'm,
not
Max,
I'm.
Sorry,.
D
And
so
I
told
Charles
what
my
project
was.
The
project
is
actually
useful
for
my
business,
but
it's
mostly
about
just
getting
back
on
in
the
saddle,
and
it's
take
this
whole
thing
and
make
a
sine
wave
at
one
kilohertz.
D
Yeah
it
is,
it
is
yeah
what
I
really
want
is
iRig
B
you're
familiar
with
IV
Irv,
the
modulated
version
well
I'd,
actually
like
both
the
modulated,
the
Manchester
and
the
ma,
and
the
digitally
modulated.
All
three
signals
coming
out,
but
mostly
I
want
the
one
Killers.
So
that
means
that
I
need
one
kilohertz
Plus.
D
Something
to
say:
is
it
a
big
sign
right
or
a
little
sign
rate,
because
they
all
have
two
sizes?
They
have
100
and
whatever
it
is
I
forgot,
35,
something
like
that,
and
so
now
I
need
I
need
to
have
the
Linux
side
say:
tell
the
fabric
oh
make
make
another
sign
right,
but
make
it
this
size
or
that
size,
so
that's
a
little
more
complicated,
but
what
I
really
really
want
is
hiring
abcdefgh,
and
that
means
I
need
to
also
tell
it.
D
What
is
the
frequency
of
the
same
rate,
so
it
might
be
a
kilohertz
or
100
kilohertz
or
something
in
between.
B
D
D
D
B
D
B
B
D
D
Of
course,
I've
only
got
a
DSL
connection
to
the
internet
because
I'm
so
far
out
of
town,
they
don't
have
any
timer
out
here
yet,
but
anyway,
I
got
it
downloaded
and
installed
and
I
haven't
got
a
clue
what
it
is
other
than
bravado
I
know
what
that
is.
But
so
I've
got
a
project.
I
got
Hardware
I've
got
the
software
and
it
turns
out
that
I
thought
I
knew
something,
but
it
turns
out.
I
know
almost
nothing
about
any
of
them.
D
B
B
D
D
D
The
doorbell
rings
this
morning
and
we
have
the
contractors
who
are
rebuilding
my
garage
and
then
the
other
contractor
shows
up
from
John
Deere's
ready
to
take
my
my
brand
new
John
Deere
tractor
and
give
it
an
oil
change
and
lube
and
change
that,
and
he
was
really
nice
guy.
He
even
took
the
front
end
loader
off
and
put
on
the
snow
blower,
so
I'm
ready
for
the
winter.
Now.
B
D
B
Needed
something-
and
you
know,
and
and
you
notice
that
they
for
a
while
they
were,
they
were
declaring
it
to
be
an
open
source
tool,
because
it's
built
on
Eclipse.
They
don't
really
say
that
as
much
as
they
used
to,
but
in
in
the
beginning,
they
were,
they
were
talking
about
how
they
wanted
to
incorporate
more
open
source
tools
into
into
their
workflow.
B
Now,
I'm,
not
sure,
since
I
don't
I,
don't
know
what
the
plan
is
with
the
sale,
but
I
see
there's
on
the
road
map
to
Kit
continuing
development
of
Vitus,
but
it's
just
like
any
other
IDE
you've
ever
worked
with
before
you.
A
B
A
central
you
know
all
Ides
are
the
same,
and
the
center
is
where
you
type
your
code
and
usually
on
your
left,
is
going
to
be
an
Explorer
or
file.
You
know,
file
management
thing
right
and
over
on
the
right
is
going
to
be
your
variables
and
all
of
the
debugger
stuff
and,
and
so
some
sort
of
instrumentation.
B
So
exploration
is
always
on
the
left.
Instrumentation
on
the
right.
There
might
be
nine
or
ten
Windows,
there
might
be
one
or
two
windows,
but
the
big
Center
space
is
what
you're
doing
and
the
console
is
down
on
the
bottom,
and
this
is
the
design
pattern
for
almost
every
single
IDE
that
we
have
there's.
B
D
D
B
B
D
B
D
If
you
want
to
do,
the
Venice
includes
the
hardware
software
also.
D
B
C
B
B
D
B
D
B
D
B
B
It's
I
know
it's
it's
a
little
off-putting
to
to
troll
eBay
and
then
find
that
there's
used
stuff
in
this
category
and
it's
the
same
as
paying
retail
from
digiland.
So
sometimes.
D
D
B
B
And
that's
I
think
it's
just
because
supply
chain
is
so
is
still.
The
the
supply
chain
is
still
very
stressed.
So
when
there's
nothing
to
buy,
then
used
prices
come
up.
Yeah.
D
B
D
Ultimately,
whether
it's
for
ham,
radio
project
or
a
commercial
project
I
want
to
relay
on
this
board
with
and
and
I
want
to
find
out,
is
this
little
tiny,
xylink
7020?
Is
that
good
enough
for
what
I
want?
If
not,
then
what
it
is
and
then
I
want
to
lay
out
my
own
board
and
find
a
supplier
who
can
build
it
for
me?
D
Because
not
all
suppliers
can
do
those
really
fine
VGA
parts
right
and-
and
it's
probably
like
a
10
layer,
10
layer
board
just
to
get
all
the
pins
out,
but
I've
got
all
the
tools
to
do
it
and
I
know
how
to
do
that.
I
know
how
to
lay
out
the
board
that
with
LPM
designer
and
that's
a
really
good
sweet
metal,
they've
expanded
it
dramatically.
So
I
can
even
put
my
design
in
the
cloud
and
let
you
watch
and
comment
on
it
as
I
go
you.
B
Know
yeah
LTM
is
is
what
our
are
probably
our
go-to
layout
designer,
which.
C
B
D
That's
the
one
I
pay
full
price
for
and-
and
my
customers
are
very
happy
with
it-
that's
good
stuff,
a
lot
of
Warren's
folk
for
me
and
for
my
customers
and
some
damn
radio
boards.
So
it's
easy
because
I
can
just
tell
opio
designer
or
I
got
one
of
these
parts.
Yeah
and
it'll
say:
oh,
you
got
one
of
those
parts.
Well,
we'll
go
get
the
parts
we'll
tell
you
all
about
the
bill
of
materials,
we'll.
B
D
Automatically
we'll
even
bring
up
the
pins
automatically,
so
it
just
Falls
right
into
place
very
nicely.
When
you
have
professional
tools,
they
really
work.
Yeah.
B
D
If
you're
bored
layout
guy
is
using
RPM
designer
ask
him
if
he's
signed
up
for
Altium
365.
B
D
365.,
okay,
ultimate
365
is
not.
They
don't
charge
more
money
for
that.
It's
part
of
the
commercial
license
for
the
pro
version
which
I
have
and
that's
the
piece
that
allows
you
to
take
your
design
place
it
in
the
cloud
and
then
Define
who
can
do
what
with
it
now
that
it's
in
the
cloud
like
you
can
have
more
than
one
designer
working
at
the
same
time,
that's
a
little
tricky,
but
you
can
have
reviewers
and
reviewers
can
have
privileges
to
leave
comments,
and
you
know
circle
on
the
schematic
or
on
the
layout.
D
This
is
run.
You
ought
to
go.
Do
it
the
other
right
ultimate
365
makes
that
review
process
very
nice
and
you
then
fix
it
or
don't
fix
it
and
make
another
comment
and
check
that
is
done.
But
all
of
those
comments
and
all
of
those
fixes
are
configuration
managed
over
time
as
well.
That's.
D
D
B
A
A
B
B
Because
either
either
or
I
or
I
bought
it
for
him
in
order
to
do
our
trans
ionospheric
boards-
and
it
was,
it
was
worth
every
penny.
It.
A
D
C
B
B
We've
have
we've
decided
to
pick
our
battles,
so
we
would
really
like
for
every
for
the
tool
chains
to
all
be
open
source,
but
if
I
went
around
making
people
use
octave
instead
of
Matlab
or
if
I
force
them
to
use
keycad
every
single
time
instead
of
Altium,
then
we
would
get
very
little
done.
We're.
C
B
B
B
D
D
B
A
D
It
I
was
using
it
with
with
conventional
configuration
management
tools
for
years
it
was
already
always
integrated
with
all
the
conventional
tools,
but
now
it's
this
3653
thing
is
all
new.
B
D
B
The
radio
frequency
chains
and
I
know
that
Leonard
Leonard
deguez
is
very
interested
in
taking
the
recently
announced
low-cost
xilinx
chip
and
doing
essentially
a
board
that
is,
would.
D
B
Pricing,
the
this
is
the
Z,
the
Zu.
It
says,
UCT,
it's
a
it's.
The
recently
announced
low
cost,
like
recently
as
in
early
November,
low-cost
fpga
from
from
silence
and.
B
This
is
nor
this
is
not
an
RF,
not
an
RF
SOC
or
anything
like
that.
It's
a
it's.
B
Dollars
yeah,
those
are
those
are
kind
of
pricey
they're
neat
I
took
a
class
in
about
the
RF
SOC
took
a
class
about
that
part,
and
it
does
all
sorts
of
amazing
things
that
are
cool.
B
Then
and
then
there's
a
usrp
that
features
the
these.
This
chipset.
B
D
D
I
did
I
I
thought.
Maybe
I
was
missing
something
so
I
went
online
looking
for
very
across
the
street,
from
where
I
used
to
work
in
Annapolis
is
a
company
called
the
Annapolis
Microsystems
and
all
they
do
is
xylex
designs
for
NSA,
so
price
Was,
No
Object
for
them,
so
I
said
well.
I'm
gonna
go
check
what
they're
doing
and
see
if
I
can
buy
some
of
those
chips
so
for
20
or
30
000
a
chip
they're
listed
as
no
stock
right,
yeah.
D
B
This
is
well
Leonard,
Leonard,
spotted
it
and
he's
like
we
need
to
do
an
RF
board
based
on
the
lower
cost
zylinks
like
yes,
we
have
to
have
a
big
fpga
for
this
transponder
that
we're
working
on,
but
a
low
cost
lower
cost
SDR
board
for
for
different
applications
would.
B
B
They're,
not
shipping,
yet
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
find
pricing
to
get
so.
We
have
a
couple
of
different
people
asking
about
the
pricing,
but
they're,
not
they're
not
scheduled
to
ship
until
2023.,
but
they're
they're,
putting
their
back
into
it.
B
B
I
think
they're
I
think
this
is
worth
tracking
and
and
looking
really
hard
at
and
Leonard
would
really
like
for
for
Ori
to
to
put
some
time
into
designing
a
board
with
this
on
it
for
for
radio
radio
work
so
anyway
keep
an
eye
on
it.
B
We'll
we'll
try
to
find
out
pricing
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
it
won't
it's
not
shipping
yet
so
you
won't
find
this
anywhere,
but
it's
pretty
exciting
and
there's
another
one
that
was
announced
alongside
of
it,
but
this
is
much
more
in
the
ballpark
for
for
the
for
the
sorts
of
things
that
you
do
and
that
we
do
it's
it's
more.
D
B
There's
plenty
going
on,
but
yeah
the
the
in
terms
of
supply
chain,
because,
yes,
it's
frustrating
to
to
constantly
run
up
against
nothing
available
for
over
on
one
of
our
one
of
our
other
teams
is
working
very,
very
hard
on
a
receiver
project
that
is
completely
dependent
on
Raspberry
Pi's.
So
it's
based
on
a
Raspberry,
Pi
and
then
lots
of
code
and
then
a
receiver
board
that
connects
to
the
Raspberry
Pi
and
it's
really
hard
to
get
Raspberry
Pi's
still.
B
D
B
B
D
B
B
B
You're
not
going
to
have
any
trouble
with
the
Zed
board,
honestly
any
any
of
the
Zed
boards.
I,
don't
think
you'll
have
it
have
much
trouble
at
all
because
they're
so
popular
and
they're
used
so
much
in
tutorials
and
training
and
and
they're
considered
to
be.
D
B
Yeah
I
think
you're
you're
going
to
be
okay.
It's
it's
not
you're,
not
going
to
be
left
hurting
like
there
are
some
boards
that
are
really
hard
to
use
that
do
not
have
a
lot
of
support,
but
the
Zed
board
is
not
one
of
those.
It's
much.
D
B
D
B
B
D
B
D
B
B
B
D
I
was
I
used
to
belong
to
pvrc
I,
don't
know
a
few
of
them
they're.
They
are
the
biggest
contest
group
in
the
nation
and
in
centered
in
DC
area
and
I
still
belong
to
them.
But
I
now
belong
to
a
local
group
out
here,
but
the
PVA
one
of
the
pbrc
guys
with
huge
scores
of
the
contests
said
you
know
in
the
35
years
I've
been
doing.
The
sweepstakes
I've
only
got
one
sweeps
cup
because
it's
really
hard
to
get
all
the
sections
it.
B
D
I
got
another
Suite
this
year,
one
out
of
two
I
had
two
out
of
two
one
year
and
I've
got
a
bunch
of
Cups,
so
I
the
local
coffee
shop
says.
Oh
look.
What
you've
got?
Oh
nice,
it's.
B
D
Local
coffee
shop,
which
also
serves
breakfast
and
lunch,
and
they
said
well,
you
can
bring
in
your
own
cups
and
then
you
walk
in
you
grab
your
cup
off
the
shelf.
Fill
it
up
a
coffee
vent
your
order
so
that
that
gets
you
ahead
of
the
game.
That's
a
good
idea!
So.
D
B
D
B
D
B
Charles
will
join
us
if
he
likes
so
sorry
about
the
delay
in
in
writing.
Him
I,
I,
didn't
hear
back
and
so
I
I
double
checked
the
email
and
realized
I'd
botched.
His
call
sign
ss0
instead
of
it.
Oh
but
hopefully
he'll,
he'll,
he'll
drop
by
and.
B
D
Yeah
because
he's
got
the
address
he
puts
out
is
here.
I
said
he
doesn't
check
that
one
very
often.
D
B
D
And
I'll
check
make
sure
he's
got
it.
B
B
Well,
you
know
people
are
welcome,
regardless
of
their
their
level
of
like
what
we
tell
people
is
that
you
absolutely
do
not
have
to
be
an
expert
to
join.
You
just
have
to
be
willing
to
become
more
of
one
along
the
way
and
we
take
everybody
from
people
that
are
just
just
here
to
support
and
participate
and
keep
up
all
the
way
to
people
who
who
work
on
it
almost
every
day.
So
everyone's
welcome
and-
and
we
understand,
especially
now
with
with
ARA
and
especially
in
Hardware
design.
B
There
are
not
a
lot
of
people
that
do
Hardware
design
professionally.
That
have
a
lot
of
time.
So
we
are
incredibly
grateful
to
anybody
that
that
wants
to
pitch
in
and
actually
contribute.
But
you
know
people
that
are
just
enthusiastic
and
want
to
encourage
us.
That's
the
only
okay
we
get,
so
anybody
that
wants
to
join
and
follow
along
or
just
be,
you
know,
feel
like
they're
included.
B
That's
that's
what
we
do
so
all
right,
so
I
gotta
go
and
I
thank
everybody
for
the
wonderful
conversation
and
extra
office
hours
and
we'll
try
to
do
and
something
during
the
week.
Maybe
you
know
informal,
you
know
happy
holidays
if
you
celebrate
it
in
the
US
and
we'll
be
here
next
next
Tuesday
for
sure.
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D
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D
D
In
the
70s
we
were
Harris.
This
was
the
greatest
thing
ever
I
I've
learned
a
lot
of
lessons
over
the
years.
This
is
one
that
where
companies
should
consider
Harris
at
least
that
division
in
Upstate,
New
York
would
get
a
tractor-trailer
load
of
turkeys
honestly
got
a
whole
tractor
trailer
park,
it
right
out
front
of
the
administration
building
and
then
like
Wednesday
they've.
Let
everybody
off
a
half
a
day
early
and
all
the
managers
had
to
stand
out
front
and
hand
the
employees
three
turkeys.