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From YouTube: Chicken and Bread Distributive Enterprise
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Initial planning for Alec Higgins as a Distributive Enterprise Fellow at OSE. Entrepreneur-in-Residence program initiation. We are developing the plan for the distributive enterprise: pasture fed, compost fed chickens + bread. Workings toward a highly replicable business model for regenerative agriculture. Chicken, egg, and bread modules.
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Okay,
recording
here
so
we're
here
with
Alec
marcin
Jonathan
I,
think,
is
going
to
join
us
on
business
development
issues,
but
we're
trying
to
document
the
process
so
we're
in
a
messy
process
of
figuring
out
the
open-source
chicken
enterprise
where
we're
talking
about
compost,
piles
and
chickens
in
an
operation
where
it's
kind
of
like
Joel
Salatin.
What
he's
doing,
except
in
our
case,
we're
trying
to
focus
on
getting
the
feed
costs
down
by
using
available
resources.
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So
big
compost,
piles
food
scraps
awful
that
we
can
mix
in
there
with
intent
where
the
chickens
are
pretty
much
a
hundred
percent
feeding
off
of
that.
But
also
that
means
we
have
to
move
that
compost.
Pile
around
have
a
lot
of
access
to
hay,
bales
we're
planning
on
the
currently
using
our
tractor.
So
that
would
actually
be
a
small
tractor
of
a
new
version
of
the
tractor
based
on
last
year's
work,
which
would
allow
us
to
test
some
of
our
equipment
and
basically,
equipment
coming
together
and
the
business
model
coming
together.
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And
the
thing
is
I
think
we
have
a.
If
we
talk
about
our
you
know,
our
advantage,
I
think
I
do
think
that
the
marketing
thing
is
quite
tractable,
I
mean
just
just
kind
of
liked
it
to
back
up
from
the
other
conversation,
we're
talking.
Okay,
what
does
it
look
like
if
it
produce
a
thousand
chickens?
How
do
we
market
them?
Well,
that's
a
definite,
definite
issue,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
in
a
good
position
with.
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A
There
I
studied
those
numbers
a
little
bit
and
it
says
that
with
10
to
15
at
the
south
and
model
10
to
15
thousand
dollars
of
startup
capital
with
60
hour
weeks
for
six
months,
you
make
$25,000
well,
that's
yeah
translates
to
twelve
dollars
to
eighteen
dollars
an
hour
so
which
is
acceptable,
but
I
think
we
can
actually
do
it
better.
Like
I
was
looking
at
their
ratio,
they
make
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
on
each
chicken
we're
hoping
to
sell
it.
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A
What's
wrong
with
this
planet
sounds
like
it
would
work,
I
think
it
will
work
and
then
what
we're
going
to
see
is
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
the
issue
of
marketing,
so
I
think
I,
don't
know
I
think
just
from
the
get-go
I
think
it
appears
like
a
like
a
winning
proposition,
eight
potential
in
that
so
okay.
So
let's
look
at.
Let's
look
at
some
of
the
numbers.
Can
you
share?
Send
it?
You
know
the
the
chat
box
and
the
Hangout.
A
Can
you
just
paste
the
link
you're
looking
at
right
now,
so
we
can
just
basically
go
over
there.
So
what's
what
are
you
looking
at
for
the
numbers?
So
far,
we
talked
about
at
osc,
we're
actually
a
client
for
the
chicken,
so
we
can
buy
up
about
250
chickens
for
the
workshops
themselves
isn't
be
about
42
days
of
workshops,
housing
workshops
as
well
as
brick,
brick
production,
brick,
build
brick
machine,
build
workshops
and
some
others
we're
looking
at
the
3d
printers
running
on
a
regular
schedule.
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It's
EPA
debated
chicken
growth.
Proper
analysis
is
in
a
messy
state
that
it's
got
that
a
lot
numbers
at
the
bottom
moment.
Business
number
is
that
me
to
stop
putting
the
plan
to
say,
though
it
costed
chicken.
We
can
think
about
it
together
between
this
blower
to
blow
me
184
pounds
like
selling
paper
and
its
life
islands.
Maybe
still
minutes
tenia,
but
it's
worth
less,
maybe
so
I've
been
trying
to
break
it
down
to
a
single
I,
have
a
buddy
together.
Okay,.
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So
this
is
when
it
starts
to
get
really
really.
Big
here
is
pounds
per
bird,
because
I
think
that
we're
looking
at
pretty
slow
growers,
probably
with
the
way
we
feel
England
and
the
kind
of
birds
were
using.
So
if
we're
keeping
some
of
the
longer
and
I
think
half
pounds,
bird
might
be
decent
come
to
work
with,
but
we
need
to
into
the
details
I
like.
How
many
are
we
still
ring
is
the
villas.
How
many
is
Flyers
are
closed
and
you.
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C
Setting
up
putting
act,
three
dollars
a
pound,
the
national
average
with
pulmonary
chickens
150
since
is
pretty
pricey
municipal
even
over
the
frosted
prices
at
the
singing
other
and
the
places
were
going
through.
Anaheim
market
master
chicken
stuff.
So
maybe
we
can
bring
it
down.
Given
our
past
efforts
of.
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If
you
just
keep
going
down
that,
that
means
for
the
meat
that
it's
a
potential
revenue,
because
all
of
all
those
birds
would
be
under
17
around
the
cells,
75
percent
of
them
I'll
be
twelve,
two
thousand,
as
well
as
keeping
me
at
the
other
hands,
there's
less
attentive,
sold
attempt
to
get
them
hands
over
the
winter
and
the
total
revenue.
After
that,
we.
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That's
using
1255
as
the
birds
to
sell
yeah,
that's
attracting
from
that
twenty-five
percent.
So
you
have
a
gun,
sell
over
northern
lands
to
sell
and
product
and
subtracting
from
that
another
number
one!
Thank
you
mm-hmm.
So
that
means
yeah.
Okay,
then
this
number
sold.
So
if
ose
gets
to
50
and
I
said
like
nominally
a
hundred
for
me,
that's
350
and
you
saying
the
seventy-five
percent
sold
includes
that
350.
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You
can
see
processing
you
clip
the
dam
and
column
hem,
that's
not
to
see
which,
but
we
would
need
to
have
that
in
place
before
people
restart
stalled
recipe.
From
some
of
this
we
could.
Probably
some
of
this
is
already
done
as
DIY
is
golden
and
the
that's
the
cost
to
make
it
yourself.
The
Killing
cones,
that's
Brian
up.
We
could
probably
make
something
help
so
get
this.
This
could
come
down
a
dancer
that
the
whole
set
up
doing
obviously
DIY
stuff.
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C
Said
that
they
get
seven
minutes
per
cubic
foot
in
their
in
their
freezers,
so
I've
been
using
madison
number.
If
you
have
to
kuna
sighs
sorry,
freezer
sighs
so
have
a
chicken-sized
in
the
freezes
what
14
cubic
feet.
So
we
ideally
we'd
have
something
more
like
30
cubic
feet
to
try
and
these
two
hundred
chickens.
But
if
there
are
20
20
cubic
foot
will
get
you
100
focus
out
of
birds
in
there.
So
because
pop
my
battles,
yeah.
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C
But
I
can
do
some
only
such
of
that
matches
without
matter
if
a
cooler
would
basically
means
something
to
keep
the
eggs
in,
so
we
may
be
able
to
just
do
it
with
something
much
less
expensive.
I
mean
it
may
be
worth
building
a
cooler
because
of
the
other
marketing
options
it
gives
you
later
on.
Did
you
get
individuals
like
that?
You
have
cooler
takes
a
lot
of
this
kind
of
that,
but
otherwise
we
can
try
and
pick
them
in
existing
flip
space
I
just.
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C,
32
or
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26,
so
we're
getting
15
breeding
hands,
45
chicks
per
week,
weekly
hatching
of
34
we're
doing
that
core
about
what
how
many
40
weeks
50,
how
many
weeks,
34
weeks,
sorry
34
weeks
of
hatching
45
chicks
per
week
to
get
a
total
number
of
15,
30,
chicks
and
the
three
eggs
per
week
so
that
15
times
three
is
45
eggs
per
week.
That's
a
nice
conservative
estimate,
assuming
some
of
the
babies
are
going
to
die
or
whatever,
but
the
hands
should
be
laying
like
four
or
five
eggs
a
week.
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But
the
price
per
bird
that
we
get
is
13.5
per
bird,
so
total
potential
revenue
about
17
k
assuming
75%
sold.
We
get
a
revenue
of
about
13
k
from
that
and
the
feed
is
actually
very
amenable.
It's
one
pound
of
feed
perchik
at
33
pounds,
so
so
the
total
cost
of
feet
for
all
that
would
be
five
hundred
dollars
for
for
the
1530
chickens.
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So
that's
quite
good
assuming
the
compost
operation,
which
means
that
their
self
feeding
off
an
input
of
straw
and
awful
and
other
vegetable
scraps
that
we
provide
and
then
we're
now
we're
discussing
the
capital
expenditures
like
walk-in,
freezers
or
coolers,
and
that
number
right
now,
which
is
in
column
capital
expenses,
h2,
is
turns
out
to
be
three
thousand
plus
an
h3
variable
costs
of
about
a
thousand
for
a
total
of
about
4k.
So
gross
is
about
10k
at
this
point.
So
that's
where
we
got
up
to
at
this
point
Alec
to
continue
from
here.
Those.
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There's
going
to
be
basically
a
flux
of
exit
that
time,
which
that
number
has
to
be
seen.
What
is
it
at
the
peak
and
what
do
we
do
about
it?
Because
that's
going
to
be
a
totally
seasonal
thing
until
we
basically,
because
basically,
everything
is
going
to
flush
like
the
first
mushroom
flush
and
then
we
have
to
negotiate
how
we
deal
with
that
yeah.
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A
To
read
more,
we
go
so
that
seems
like
for
this
not
to
explode
like
either.
We've
got
we're
just
wasting
just
thrown
away
tons
of
eggs
to
the
chickens
or
whatever.
We
have
to
think
about.
I
guess
the
key
to
success
there
would
be.
If
we
were
working
with
the
eggs
would
be
to
do
the
marketing
for
the
egg
csa.
Where
we
just
do
a
route,
then
we
can
actually
get
rid
of
all
that,
and
that
and
assuming
that
it's
not
just
we're
going
to
we're
not
going
to
just
quit
at
winter,
will
probably
get.
A
C
Have
is
not
fair
so
that
we
can
try
and
have
contain
unit
of
time
for
them
the
part
that
houses,
so
it's
like
a
better
make
sure
we
come
around
cause
in
this
kind,
never
have
to
go
down
to
winter
enterprises.
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
do
in
the
room
to
work
with
people
either
but
I
agree
with
them
will
be
PVCs.
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Like
what
you
know
like
that's
what
I
want
to
do
this?
The
next
phase
of
timing
up
inspections,
to
guess,
I
think
that
she'll
is
like.
If
we
do
this
many
at
this
cave
and
they're
going
to
be
flown
as
this
is
it's
going
to
be
statement
those
ticket?
We
can
actually
like
estimates
of
how
many
pounds
were
selling,
rather
than
just
how
many
couldn't
really.
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When
I'm
gonna
give
this,
you
know,
I,
don't
I
feel
like
it's
good.
It
should
be
able
to
cover
its
costs
and
stuff
like
that,
but
if
we
have
to
cover
all
the
other
costs-
and
we
talked
about
my
my
labor
costs
on
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I-
don't
know
if
it
stands
on
its
own.
In
terms
of
being
like
this
creative
you
having
I,
think
it
needs
its
content
and
devices
the
bread.
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C
Right
as
far
as
the
space
we
planning
on
doing
it,
the
old
clean
house
and
fixing
that
up
to
be
half
African
loop
have
a
greenhouse
with
with
the
granting
panels.
He
helped
us
beginning.
He
plays
in
thousands,
except
so
that'll
give
us
the
proven
the
summer
plus
a
rental
place
and
and
then
having
the
contrast.
You
neglect
the
South
affair
and
I've
been
looking
at
traffic
a
way
to
do
the
processing.
Some
event
is
a
few
places
in
that
little
complex.
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C
We
got
onto
page
8
of
that.
This
is
just
kind
of
making
up
a
lot
about
how
to
compost
a
demand
for
miles,
so
it
would
be
once
a
week
a
turn
or
that
we
could
be
five
days
if
we
ate
and
even
how
fast
your
compass
is
going
and
it
would
be
like
a
set
time
interval
of
Utila
little
piles
at
the
same
time.
Basically,
in
the
system,
that's
coming
in
as
il-1
are
sending
the
tables
and
bling
out
turn.
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A
One
consideration
would
also
be
dog
access
like
if
it's
a
long,
very
long,
windrow
versus
a
number
of
piles.
Next
to
each
other,
there's
definite
visibility,
issues
say:
there's
predators,
I
mean
the
dog
wouldn't
see
beyond
this.
The
aisle.
If
the
dog
is
in
the
aisle
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
much
I.
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I've
included
in
the
cost
chicken
wire
to
defense
in
Syria
off
I
know,
that's
not
perfect
that,
but
it's
it
should
be
ready
to
be
okay
during
the
daytime,
but
we
can
certainly
configure
this.
However,
I
was
thinking
that
this
would
be
the
most
efficient
for
moving,
but
it's
you
can
set
me
do
whatever
you
want.
I
mean
yeah.
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A
Yeah
there
are
depends
how
you
set
it
up,
but
but
if
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
incentive,
they
just
look
down
and
they
don't
see
that
they
can't
get
over
the
fence.
If,
even
if
it's
like
two
feet,
two
or
three
feet
depends
worth
it
like.
If
it's
in
a
grass
and
they're
kind
of
going
through
the
grass
and
hit
a
fence,
they're,
not
gonna,
think
about
jumping
up,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
any
way
feasible
that
we
train
the
dogs
to
keep
the
two
actually
heard
the
chickens.
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C
B
C
Is
just
like
trying
to
get
like
a
an
idea
of
what
the
actual
stages
of
each
thing
is.
Top
part
was
meeting
up
until
the
point
of
adding
to
the
coop.
The
second
line
is
a
production
like
what
is
it
take
to
get
them
into
the
trap
to
better
market
steps?
Then
the
third
one
is:
it's
me:
I,
go
to
all
the
steps
they're
just
on
gilt
I'm,
not
make
sure
I'd
like
don't
miss
anything
as
far
as
accounting
for
timing.
Oh.
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C
If
you,
if
you
increase
your
production,
like
I
said
you
had
lowest
offer,
you
would
then
reduce
to
be
brands,
so
you
can
kind
of
skip
the
little
man
on
those.
But
if
you
this
is
like
the
basic
balance
to
compost
respiratory,
you
can
adjust
it.
You
have
the
guy
your
desert
of
a
month.
You
have
these
thoughts
with.
C
C
A
I
think
we
should
in
practical
terms
and
labor
requirements.
The
thing
I
see
as
being
infinitely
scalable
is
bales
and
awful.
We're
awful
is
a
small
fraction.
Bales
are
littered
literally
unlimited,
but
as
far
as
Browns,
if
you
talk
about
that,
then
you
have
dedicated
chipping
and
that's
a
whole.
You
know
that's
a
whole
other
operation.
A
A
Weather
turning
regime
could
be
the
key
right
like
I
mean
cuz
wha,
because
what
I'm
seeing
here
is
that,
in
order
to
accelerate
I
think
we
have
to
treat
the
awful
as
food
for
chickens
and
food
for
microbes
and
bugs.
In
other
words,
we
would
have
to
go
with
shredding
it,
so
the
one
the
chickens
can
get
it
and
second,
the
the
microbes
can
get
it
much
faster.
A
C
Yeah
please
like,
and
also
we
have
to
look
at
the
quality
of
the
compounds
coming
up,
make
sure
that
is
not
be
like.
If
you
do,
a
compost
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
grounds
in
it.
You
might
end
up
as
something
that
so
back
to
know.
It
was
actually
people
the
soil,
especially
here,
and
there
we
need
to
get
on
this.
E
C
B
C
B
A
E
C
A
What
are
the
basic
economics
of
it
if
we
have
excess
of
chickens
and
we
have
a
CSA?
What's
the
basics
of
the
labor
requirements?
Therefore,
if
we
have
a
CSA,
we're
actually
deliver
like
say,
I
mean
well
see.
I
like
the
paper
out
model,
I've
done
that
for
like
eight
years
through
elementary
school
high
school
and
college
actually
shows
like
10
years
of
paper
route.
That
model
is
actually
pretty
lucrative.
A
You
can
easily
I,
meanwhile,
at
least
with
paper
paper
route,
where
you
know
getting
very
little
/
/
paper,
but
just
adds
up,
even
though
the
cost
like
the
first
paper
out,
I
did
was
like
the
cost
was
fifty
cents
a
month.
I
mean
a
lot
of
people
would
tip
me
and
all
that,
but
that
came
out
to
like
20
bucks
an
hour
actually,
which
was
really
good.
C
A
C
A
C
B
A
C
B
B
A
You
know
say
say:
it's:
you
know,
I
could
see
something
like
basic
numbers,
okay,
so,
but
what
are
those
like?
So
you
got
ten
customers
in
maysville,
which
I
think
is
very
realistic
and
they're
paying
you
three
bucks,
a
dozen.
That's
thirty
dollars.
How
many
hours
does
it
take
you
to
earn
thirty
dollars?
It
I
mean.
Maybe
when
you
get
it
down,
it
might
get
down
to
half
an
hour
to
deliver
you
just
driving
out
there,
but
then
how
much
time
does
it
take
to
package?
A
A
C
C
B
C
C
A
A
A
I
what
I
think
about
it
I,
don't
see
why
why
people
wouldn't
do
that
more!
I'm
looking
at
all
these
chicken
operations
and
everybody's
got
these
in
these
feed
costs
that
get
their
chickens
up
to
like
seven
dollar
costs
from
the
get-go
I'm.
Like
really
wondering
why
more
people
aren't
doing
this,
let's
see.
A
C
B
C
A
It
seems
like
because
I
see
this
advantage.
If
we
are
not
stressed
on
feed
costs,
then
we
can
get
them
to
the
relatively
very
decent
size,
and
then
we
can
really
propose
that
strategy
as
okay,
you
get
them
as
large
as
possible
at
minimal
cost
and
that's
kind
of
like
our
market
niche,
those
that
kind
of
operation.
Something
like
that.
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
some
sweet
spot.
We
can
figure
out
here
because
yeah
anyway,
that's
going
to
look
at
the
numbers.
Okay,
next
steps
here.
B
A
And-
and
are
you
do
you
want
to
maybe
do
that
and
do
you
want
to
talk
next
after
you
do
that
and
and
do
the
bread
or
wait
till
we
nail
the
chicken
I
mean
I,
think
you
kind
of
got
to
do
the
bread
thing,
because
you
got
to
see
how
the
numbers
add
up
or
maybe
add
the
other
features.
So
we
can
see
how
it
fits
together
with
the
time
budgets
as
well.
C
E
Have
a
suggestion:
Mei
notices,
it's
just
an
adjusted
thought
and
there's
something
I
think
about,
but
consider
the
fact
that
you
know
if
there
was
like
a
storefront
or
at
least
a
building,
that
you
could
actually
put
us
a
little
more
there
somewhere
on
factory
farm,
just
something
to
think
about
overtime.
But
having
that
stood
up,
you
could
set
up
your
market
days
or
a
specific
festival
or
an
event,
especially
during
high
harvest
days
that
people
can
come
out.
E
You
know
what,
for
a
one
one
time
deal
or
whatever,
then
you
know
would
be
willing
to
make
that
drive,
of
course,
marketing
and
very
well
in
terms
of
education
or
fun
you're.
Never
else
I
mean
it's
just
the
suggestion
in
terms
of
maybe
perhaps
long-term,
having
a
storefront
to
have
different
things
ready
so
that
when
you
do
that
product
and
people
come,
there
is
the
place
you're
undergoing
shop.
Yeah.
A
B
A
B
A
It
was
it
had
concepts
it
didn't
have
like
stupid
all
over
the
place.
It
was
good
concepts
things
to
think
about.
Definitely
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
That's
on
my
log.
If
you
want
to
access
that,
it's,
let's
see:
yeah
open
source
product
development,
no
organizational
core
training.
It's
on
under
yesterday's
look
at
this
thing.
Let
me
just
send
you
a
link
here.
A
It's
right
there,
but
I
found
it
quite
useful.
If
you
have
time
to
take
a
look
at
it,
it
does
talk
about
relevant
marketing
concepts
and
I
actually
put
in
a
discuss
underneath
that
for
some
of
the
main
points
I
took
out,
but
it
doesn't
give
things
to
think
about
how
we
position
ourselves.
What
a
value
proposition
is
how
we
do
the
proper
market
segmentation
and
all
that
so
marketing,
101
straight
strategy.
So
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
All.
A
Fire
yeah
I
did
the
five
sessions.
I
did
all
the
marketing
that
I
gotta
die
other
ones
because
they
were
yeah.
I
want
to
look
up
the
other
ones
because
yeah
it
gave
me
some
ideas.
I
mean
it.
So
one
point
is:
there's
bundles
of
values
in
any
marketing
product.
You
have
bundles
of
values
which
are
I
no
one's
going
to
that,
but
basically
I,
like
the
one
take
out
of
that
was
because
of
the
way
we
do
our
product.
They
were
talking
about.
Oh
well,
you
typically
want
to
focus
on
one
of
them.
A
I
think
we
actually
have
three
of
all
those
values
that
we're
talk
about.
So
actually
look
at
that
I
think
that's
actually
quite
encouraging,
and
then
there
was
a
no
notion
of
market
orientations.
There
are
four
market
orientations
like
experiential
customer-based
producer
based
and
something
else.
I
forget,
yeah
and,
and
it
turns
out,
osc
appears
to
be
well
positioned
in
not
one
but
actually
all
four
of
them,
and
we
should
really
think
about
how
to
leverage
that,
because
I
think
we've
got
yeah
yeah
anyway.
A
A
A
A
Yeah
mmhmm
yeah,
and
then
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
We
can
nail
the
business
models
and
then
we
want
to
talk
about
pretty
much
committing
to
a
plan
for
the
year
with
here's
the
milestones
and
sequences.
So
we
can
write
an
agreement
that
can
be
evaluated
because
we
can't
evaluate
it.
We
don't
know
what
we're
doing.
Oh.
C
D
A
You
know
I
think
whatever
results
we
get
to
I
think
what
we
have
to
offer
in
terms
of
the
whole
system
of
the
compost,
combined
with
open
source
equipment,
with
our
willingness
to
share
that
I
think
we
can
do
a
really
compelling
workshop
I
think
that
the
chicken
/
bread
right
there
is
a
huge
just
experienced
we're
going
to
get
with.
All
of
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
compelling
for
a
lot
of
people
to
hear
ya.
I
like
the
idea.
I
think
there
could
be
some
revenue
from
that.
A
Definitely
because
our
cost,
for
that
would
be
minimal,
I
mean
hardly
any
costs
to
that.
We're
not
spending
money
on
that
we're
just
showing
what
we
already
have
learned.
So
the
more
we
put
in
imagine
if
we
have
the
incubation
operation
and
all
that
we
can
show
all
the
pieces
walk
a
person
through
the
entire
full
operation.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
that's
pretty
rare
and
it's
probably
more
comprehensive
than
joel
salatin,
because
I
mean
does
he
race,
his
own
chicks
or
his
own
compost
piles
for
feet?