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A
A
Andreas
is
working
on
recruiting
so
he's
in
the
background.
Maybe
maybe
we
can
have
a
dress
fill
in
where
he's
at
undress.
Maybe
you
want
to
fill
in
since
we're
still
waiting
for
a
couple
of
people.
We're
recording
this
for
everybody,
so
the
world
could
hear
but
tell
us
where
you
are
on
the
earth
stuff.
Give
us
a
long
day
yeah.
So
I
can
tell
you
like.
C
Yeah,
basically,
I
went
through
your
your
lists
of
contacts.
We've
been
getting
trying
to
find
similar
people
on
your
existing
network,
more
or
less,
and
after
this
what
I
did
was
creating
a
database
from
new
people
who
are
not
some
people
connected,
but
not
connected
by
doing
boolean
search
for
people
who
have
both
steam
and
make
your
space
profiles.
C
C
A
C
C
D
F
C
One
of
the
things
which
comes
up
quite
often
is
the
both
the
price
for
the
development
kits
the
uncertainty
of
whether
or
not
we
will
manage
to
get
participants
for
them,
as
well
as
a
lack
of
a
clear
marketing
plan
that
they
feel
is
enough
to
get
participants
for
their
for
the
workshops.
Basically,
so
if
we
can,
everyone
basically
agrees
that
the
curriculum
is
really
good.
A
Only
update
only
up
day
I
can
offer
on
that
is
yeah
we're.
You
know
the
startup
permanent
startup
program
at
OSC,
but
we
do
have
four
four
events
lined
up
for
set
for
June
22nd
in
the
United
States,
there's
a
guy
through
a
contact
that
basically
have
a
captive
audience
of
high
schools,
private
high
schools,
where
they're
guaranteeing
12
plus
students.
That's
awesome!
That's
that's
really
good
and
that's
kind
of
that's
one
route
of
doing
it.
E
A
E
C
A
Parts
yeah
that's
coming
out
like
in
the
next
day
or
two
a
few
days
so
I
reviewed
the
video.
It
was
a
rough
cut
of
a
video
dedicated
to
instructors.
Here's
like
you,
know,
here's
for
an
instructor
here.
So
here's
how
you
create
aha
moments
and
people
as
you
teach
them.
That's
that's
gonna
come
out
in
a
few
days.
It's
really
worked
on
right
now,
so
that
possibly
can
help
which
I
mean
it
does
cover
like.
Okay,
what's
thought
was
the
whole
picture?
It's
a
promo
video!
A
E
C
A
The
videos
beyond
that
I
was
gonna,
ask
regarding
I,
mean
we're
kind
of
in
the
background
trying
to
scheme
up
a
marketing
strategy.
That's
what
we're
aiming
for,
but
right
now
just
strategy
is
just
rough
notes
with
no
execution
really.
It's
like
contact
items,
high
items
on
agenda,
our
contact,
principles
of
of
schools
or
summer
program
managers
as
one
way
or.
A
The
other
thing
that
I
would
just
like
to
try
is
the
idea
of
the
I
mean
it's
different,
but
it's
it's
all
over
the
place.
It's
the
idea
of
the
the
corporate
retreat
concept
where,
over
a
weekend,
you
build
one
of
the
larger
printers.
But
that's
not
the
scheme
camp,
that's
a
little
different,
but
they
all
are
so
related
that
it
feeds
into
each
other.
So
it's
it's
interesting
in
that
way,
but
other
than
that
it's
been
running
steam
camps.
It's
like
every
steam
camp,
there's
there's
a
couple
more
people
that
want
to
do
it.
A
Interestingly,
Jeremy
from
Washington
state
I
passed
on
the
instructor
exam.
If
you
guys
have
seen
it
instructor
exam
on
the
wiki,
so
take
a
look
at
that.
He
already
submitted
an
eight-minute
video
or
he
went
through
all
the
steps
in
eight
minutes,
including
at
first
print
calibration
logging,
part
library,
design
and
freak
at
in
eight
minutes.
He
did
that
so
he's
the
first
poster
child
of
okay
that
yeah.
This
isn't
the
kind
of
level
of
expertise
you
got
to
get
to.
So
it's
an
instructor
exam.
A
Let
me
paste
the
link
and
so
the
basic
one,
the
basic
steps,
one
through
five.
Let
me
paste
that
and
the
link,
so
anyone
who
wants
to
do
that
just
do
it
on
the
weekend
then
you're
in
a
good
position
to
be
an
instructor.
We
can
put
you
on
as
a
name
that
we
trust
you
can
do
the
technical
part
of
all
of
this.
So
that's
where
we're
at
but
ideas
it's
like
hit
the
ground
running
every
event.
We
get
more
people
interested
like
Jessica
or
Jeremy
from
the
last
one.
D
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done,
I
mean
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
it,
we're
kind
of
like
learning
and
doing
everything,
yeah,
okay,
so
okay,
so
in
this
event
we
wanted
to
check
in
on
collaborating
with
European
team
like
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
there's
a
way
to
cook,
coordinate
on
the
April
event
and
then
the
other
thing
is
refining
the.
What
the
four-day
looks
like
is
we're
gonna
run
one
14th
through
the
17th.
A
It's
gonna
be
New
Zealand
I'm,
going
to
New
Zealand,
there's
Boston
and
there's
Richmond
with
Chris,
so
three
locations
right
now
and
we're
doing
a
four
day.
So
it's
simpler
one
trying
to
refine
what
we
can
from
the
learnings
of
the
last
one
so
see
how
we
refine
what
we
did
last
time.
So,
let's
take
a
look
at
that
Steenkamp
curriculum.
Let
me
paste
that
in
a
chat.
A
So
that's
one
and
then
the
other
question
was
coordinating
in
that
April,
which
is
the
one
after
that
and
the
one
after
that
personally
I'll
be
in
Hong
Kong
doing
their
steam
camp
there.
They
they
got
shut
down
because
of
disease,
so
I
couldn't
do
it
in
March,
but
they're
inviting
me
to
in
April
basically
for
the
April
date
on
the
on
the
schedule.
So
let's
look
at
this
schedule
and
paste
that
link
in
there.
A
Professional-Grade,
open
source
challenge
made
from
waste
plastic,
an
experiment
to
change
economic
history.
So
in
that
kind
of
an
experiment,
we're
looking
at
I
mean
this
is
literally
thousands
of
people,
they're
gonna
collaborate
with
a
$250,000
prize,
so
this
is
gonna,
be
no
joke
and
the
real
serious
attempt
at
does
open-source
work.
Can
we
get
a
large
collaborative
process
so
that,
with
that
said,
that's
kind
of
how
I
approach
the
event
in
in
Hamburg
on
April
24?
A
Let's
keep
practicing
the
the
larger
and
larger
ever
larger
scale,
collaboration
to
the
point
that
it
becomes
effective
like
Linux.
Does
it
right
now
they
have
currently
like
a
thousand
full-time
developers
like
right
now
they
have
a
thousand
people
working
full-time,
they're,
all
funded
by
companies.
There's
no
volunteers
there
at
all.
Hardly
these
days
there
used
to
be
all
volunteers.
Now
it's
pretty
much
everyone's
getting
paid,
but
the
same
model
applies
here.
It's
like
okay.
A
How
do
we
get
a
lot
of
people
and
people
that
can
also
get
paid
for
doing
that,
so
that
means
we're
generating
significant
product
and
enterprises
like
a
like
a
viewable
cordless
drill
that
dents
a
10
billion
dollar
market
within
you
know
in
a
few
years,
that's
you
know:
what's
that's
a
promise
that
can
be
theoretically
achieved
and
let's
see
if
we
can
do
it,
but
so
so
with
that
Prelude?
What
are
your
thoughts
on?
What
are
the
coordination
points
for
how
we
can
do
like
the
April?
A
So
so
you
guys
right
now.
I
want
to
do
so.
What's
what's
your
current
program
and
is
there
a
way
like
we
can?
We
can
put
that
on
the
same
dates,
let's
see.
So
what
are
the
dates
in
question
like
I
was
gonna?
Ask
if
you
guys
can
move
it
I
mean?
Is
it
possible
for
you
guys
to
move
it
to
the
to
start
at
the
same
time,
and
does
it
make
sense
like
do
you
guys?
Think
it
makes
sense.
Would
tell
me
your
thoughts
about
that
Benedict.
What
are
you
thinking.
A
A
A
G
Day,
okay,
we
said
that
the
Sunday
the
fifth
day
is
kind
of
optional.
We
like
just
if
we
need
it,
we
have
it
that
snaps
people
can
go
earlier.
That's
the
idea
actually,
but
if
they
need
the
day,
then
they
can
stay.
So
maybe
I
can
tell
you
what
we
thought
of
setting
how
to
set
up
the
pro
the
curriculum
yeah.
So
we
have.
G
It
there
are
participants
that
want
that
are
interested
in
becoming
instructors
themselves
in
the
future,
and
the
idea
is
that
they
stay
the
whole
during
or
for
all
the
out
of
the
day.
So
they
come
Wednesday
and
they
get
a
deep
insight
into
the
d3d
Universal
and
also
some
economics
and
governance
issues
with
regards
to
holding
a
steam
camp
and
running
a
micro
factory,
and
then
they
also
stay
at
the
Saturday
at
the
fourth
day.
G
D
G
But
then
we
also
have
a
third
purpose,
which
is
to
initiate
a
comments,
oriented
or
comments
based
version
of
prep
Capcom,
which
I
yeah
I
think
I
made
you
before
about
and
yeah.
We
want
to
initiate
this
at
that
day
and
to
do
this
we
have
a
third
part
of
our
third
group
of
participants.
Participants
which
are
mainly
computer
scientists
and
part
of
that
group
is
Peter.
Who
will
be
there
at
least
for
a
day
and
yeah?
So
we
we
want
to
have
them
there.
G
These
computer
scientists
to
make
them
become
familiar
with
the
issue
of
collaborative
distributed
or
remote
product
open-source
hardware,
product
development,
which
is
yeah.
We
I
think
we
can
learn
a
lot
there
from
open
source,
product
development
and
software,
but
still
I,
think
it's
yeah
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
guess
it's
more
complex.
G
G
So
it's
really
I
guess
substantial
amount
of
money
that
you
can
get
there
so
yeah
so
is
initiating
this
program.
This
this
project
is
like
the
third
purpose
of
our
camp
here
in
Hamburg
yeah.
That
being
said,
I
think
you
have
some
idea
of
what
we
will
do
here.
Oh
yeah
and
number
wise.
We
can
go
up
to
20
people
on
the
Saturday,
for
the
regular
participants
and
up
to
six,
maybe
eight
participants
for
the
first
group
for
the
instructor,
but
possibly
instructor
participants,
great.
A
G
Where
it
depends
when
the
computer,
since
scientists
want
to
come,
we
have
I
said
that
they
can
come
any
day.
They
want,
because
it's
like
yeah,
so
there's
not
a
certain
date.
They
have
to
come.
It's
just
that
they
come
anyway
to
make
them
come.
Anyways
would
also
already
be
a
would
already
be
good
during.
A
A
E
G
So
Hager
mentioned
two
to
have
this
kind
of
as
a
challenge
for
the
instructor
participate
in
school
yeah.
You
need
to
to
make
them
develop
the
the
second
c-axis
within
the
camp
in
Hamburg,
and
so
then
this
would
kind
of
be
great
for
for
the
computer
scientists
to
see
how
what's
the
issue
with
the
product
development
but
I
think
that
just
to
make
sure
to
give
them
like
a
really
good
product.
In
the
end,
we
should
make
sure
that
we
can
develop
the
second
year
or
give
set
them
home
with
the
second
z-axis
anyways.
G
A
A
A
G
Mean
we
will
build
apprentice
with
the
other
group
before
as
well,
but
it'll
happen,
probably
during
the
first
two
days
on
Wednesday
Thursday,
but
it
would
be
great
I
guess
if
we
manage
to
at
this
development
part
of
their
to
our
curriculum,
to
have
some
coordination
there.
Just
for
the
purpose
of
developing
and
replicate
alternative.
A
E
A
A
A
Forests
before
the
specific
project
where
all
of
us
are
on
it.
It's
not
scattered.
It's
very
focused.
We've
got
everybody's
eyes
looking
at
the
specific
project
of
the
five
project
days,
so
yeah,
since
that's
not
really
there
I,
don't
know
yeah
I,
don't
know
what
to
do
just.
We
can
possibly
consider
just
starting
on
the
first
day,
but
then.
A
That's
that's
like
the
real
overlap,
but
if
there's
not
really
the
five
days,
I
mean
then
I
think
the
the
camps
could
go
around
it.
At
a
similar
time.
We
can
say
advertise
that
okay,
we've
got
the
thing
in
Germany,
here's,
the
flavor
and
all
that
we
have
there
and
now
here's
the
other
ones
around
the
world.
A
So
it's
an
option
from
from
a
different
set
of
locations
where
the
other
four
locations
would
be
very
much
coordinated
at
least
done
a
project
days
and
is
much
coordinated
in
the
first
four
days
as
possible
as
well,
so
that
the
idea
being
that
all
the
instructors
shared
the
instructor
duty.
So
each
instructor
brings
a
very
concrete,
well
refined,
curriculum
to
the
place
so
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
well,
yeah,
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say,
but
yeah.
We
can
at
least
collaborate
on
advertising
different
events.
A
E
G
A
I
mean
the
metaphor
for
Linux:
is
that
it's
the
micro
factories
that
start
up
that
fund
the
developers,
because
the
micro
factory
for
the
software
case
is
a
software
company
like
Amazon
or
IBM,
so
I
think
the
clear
analog?
Is
we
build
a
micro
factory?
That
thing
has
economic
power
that
thing
funds
further
R&D?
That's
the
model
like
I,
just
be
careful
like
come
up
with
my
point
of
view
in
terms
of
okay.
A
If
you
get
private
investors
that
are
just
investors,
I
call
that
part
of
structural
evil
in
the
sense
of
now
like
the
separation
of
investor
from
owner.
That's
part
of
the
pickle
we're
in
today,
like
investors,
get
80%
of
the
wealth
and
the
workers
get
20%,
or
this
something
like
that.
The
the
image
needs
to
be
80%
of
the
workers
get
the
wealth
and
investors
are
the
workers.
Are
the
people
producing
the
designs
and
everything
else
so
I?
A
G
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
there
is,
if
we
think,
for
example,
there's
an
engineering
office
here
in
Hamburg
which
is
interested
in
participating
in
this
as
well,
and,
if
you
think
of
them,
why
would
they
we
have
to
pay
their
like
they?
What
they
produce
is
designs,
not
not
products,
okay,
so
if
what
would
make
them
put
their
products
their
designs,
which
they
need
to
make
money
from
in
like
a
short
period
of
time,
eh,
why
would
they
make
this
free
right
so
I
think
at
least
for
a
short
period
there?
G
It
makes
sense
to
have
an
option
of
putting
designs
on
a
blockchain,
and
that
way
you
can
somehow
restrict
like
the
the
flow
of
this
design
and
that
they
use
and
create
exchange
value.
In
a
short
period
of
time-
and
you
can
also
generate
yeah
or
use
this
exchange-
that
this
created
exchange
value
for
paying
private
investors
and
make
this
interesting
for
them,
then
on
the
long
run,
I
think
you
will
not
meet.
This
is
like
private
resources
anymore
to
fund
there's
such
platforms
so.
E
A
Right
now,
you're
going
the
direction
kindly
speaking
the
direction,
which
is
the
the
issue
that
I
think
software
has
solved
with
the
open
source.
Like
I
heard,
you
say
the
word
restrict
access
or
manage
the
value
chain
in
for
pay
accident
for
pay
method.
The
general
general
statement
there
is
once
you
have
to
get
into
very
tight
accounting
as
such,
it
becomes
very
complicated.
It
becomes
a
difficult
problem
to
solve
so
yeah.
A
That's
what
you're
saying
is
like
like
your
proposition,
you
have
very,
very
difficult,
and
that's
so
I
think
the
the
open
source
license
says.
Do
whatever
you
want.
Sorry
we're
not
going
to
manage
the
like
that
that
wealth
generation
part
like
yeah,
no
there's
a
whole
discussion
there
and
I
think
that
that
kind
of
goes
back
into
the
discussion
of
it.
G
I
think
I
think
you
can
with
the
yes
such
a
platform,
you
can
make
the
contributor
decide
which
license
he
wants
to
contribute
his
design
under.
You
know
whether
you
can
he
can
make
it
open
source
and
the
definition
of
your
definition,
which
is
more
it's
a
deeper
kind
of
open
source
about
you're
safe,
but
you
cannot
maybe
also
put
it
on
a
blockchain
which
the
fab
city
foundation
prefers
with
its
fab
chain
solution.
Yeah.
A
G
You
put
it
under
a
put
it
under
a
reciprocity.
License
like
the
p2p
foundation,
suggests.
I
think
what
is
important
is
to
have
a
one
platform
for
different
open-source
Hardware
communities,
because
that
really
makes
creates.
Has
the
potential
for
a
lot
of
synergies
which
are
currently
not
used.
You
know,
because
there's
all
all
open-source
communities
or
open-source
Hardware
communities
have
their
own
platforms.
Yeah.
H
A
No
that's
good
yeah.
What's
the
advantage
of
what
you're
saying
is?
It
is
inclusive,
so
that's
core
to
our
mission,
I
I
say
collaborative
design,
fair,
transparent
and
inclusive
economy
of
abundance.
Yeah.
What
you
are
saying
does
meet
the
inclusivity
or
not
not
limiting
anybody.
So
if
weak,
we
can
create
a
platform
where
everyone
can
play
and
actually
works
out.
Yeah
that
would
be
great,
will
be
awesome.
So.
G
E
A
Libraries
and
repos
I
mean
the
platform
doesn't
exist,
and
it
has
to
be
pretty
flexible
to
allow
anything
so,
but
no
I
mean
the
same
thing.
It's
an
extrapolation
of
this
of
the
open-source
microfactory
steam
camp
to
a
much
larger
collaborative
effort.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
the
groundwork
we're
setting
off
saying.
Okay,
these
are
common
tools
that
are
well
well
developed,
we're
just
going
to
put
them
together
to
the
particular
particular
use
of
logical
large
collaboration,
yeah
yeah.
G
H
H
H
A
A
A
B
I
H
A
Okay,
that
sounds
good
sounds
good
yeah,
so
yeah
only
other
thing
I
want
to
cover
is
on
planning
for
the
next
learning
from
you
guys
on
on
the
tool.
Change
like
hold
your
and
Peter
on
the
CNC
milling
and
all
that
plotting
tool
chains
with
kicad
and
all
that.
So
can
you
take
a
look
at
the
uncomment?
Maybe
or
maybe
we
can
kind
of
wrap
up
and
comment
on
it,
but
I
wanted
your
comments
on
the
so
there's
the
steam
9
day
9
day.
Oh.
E
A
It's
it's
what
I
pasted
in
in
the
chat
there
already
that's
kind
of
like
what
we're
looking
at,
where
it's
highly
relevant
to
Jessica
and
Chris.
So,
let's
see
Jessica
who
are
Jessica
and
Chris,
we're
all
been
doing
it,
but
then
Peter
and
hold
you're
like
maybe
you
can
give
us
some
feedback
and
on
that
cuz
that
it's
kind
of
what
I'm
thinking
so
day.
1
is
pretty
much
solved
day.
Two
we're
pretty
good
day.
Three
is
where
you
guys,
I
think
have
done
decent
development.
F
E
A
H
Yeah,
the
only
problem
is,
is
that
I
used
I
believe
so.
I
did
I
created
a
key
cap
design.
Initially,
it
was
kind
of
a
coincidence
and
the
Christmas
holiday
I
created
the
kicad
Arduino
straight
board
design
and
during
the
day,
Cindy
and
I
extended
this
kicad
to
basically
make
this
designed
to
make
a
proper
PCB.
H
H
This
is
B
design
for
the
Arduino
and
Holger
worked
on
the
PCB
design
for
the
the
light
dimmer
and
actually
that's
much
easier
to
plug,
because
the
components
are
larger
so
and
so
I
guess,
for
a
first
step
to
really
develop
this
tool
chain,
this
tool
chain
flow
of
using
Tcat
and
then
export
it
to
SVG
and
then
trying
to
plot
it
and
then
probably
the
PCB
design
that
Holger
did
for
the
light.
Dimmer
would
be
the
best
start
so
for
an
Arduino,
the
the
pins
of
this
AV
r3
to
Atari
close
to
each
other.
H
H
Yeah
and
then
I
think
Michelle
had
the
idea
to
work
on
a
tool
hat
for
the
d3d,
with
the
plotter
and
drill
in
one
so
that
you
can
maybe
even
in
software,
to
offset
those
two
distances
plot
and
then
immediately
drill
the
holes
together
with
well
I.
Think
that
would
be
a
critical
extension
to
what
we
already
have
so.
E
I
I
D
I
E
I
I
A
Yeah,
no
I
think
what
we've
have
already
I
think
it's
very
positive.
The
idea
that
okay,
we
can
do
plots.
We
can
do
drills,
that's
great
and
now
for
the
the
steam
camp,
since
its
experimental
I
mean
to
teach
people
to
go
through
that
process.
Even
they.
If
they
don't
get
a
finished
product,
they
will
have
good.
You
know
good
ability
to
make
3d
prints
or
make
plots,
but
if
we
don't
perfect
those
tool
chains,
that's
the
whole
point.
It's
like
hear.
A
You've
been
shown
the
tools
of
how
to
do
that
and
if
you
want
to
continue
with
it,
it's
gonna
take
more
effort
for
you
to
learn
that
more
carefully,
but
the
basic
things
like
moving
the
head
around
and
doing
things
with
it
that
is
doable
so
I
think
that
would
be
interesting
enough
and
then
we
can
build
upon
it.
So
yeah
we
can
take
a
look
at
what
you
have
and
and
and
get
the
newer
version
of
kicad
out
and
and
do
what
we
can
with
it
Chris.
What
are
your
thoughts,
Chris
and
Jessica.
B
I'm
gonna
agree
that
if
we
curriculum
well-organized,
we
can
present
it
and
people
can
continue
to
develop
their
skills
with
it
after
the
event,
and
you
know
that
there's
not
time
in
the
event
to
do
more
than
kind
of
introduction,
but
people
have
the
experience
to
see
it
work
and
see
it
happen
and
some
experience
hands-on
experience,
I
think
they're.
You
know
myself
included
it's
the
fastest
way
to
line
mm-hm.
E
A
Yeah
absolutely
psycho,
confident
about
leading
that
kind
of
process
and
the
place
in
New
Zealand
is
gonna,
be
a
high
school,
so
some
high
school
kids,
but
otherwise
people
for
people
who
the
one
instructor
and
training
and
other
people
from
the
community
I
think
it
can
work
well.
Chris
any
comments.
J
A
E
A
Jeremy's
a
an
awesome
case
cuz
he
already
did
the
instructor
exam.
That's
pretty
amazing
I
mean
he
totally
dove
into
it
and
learned
the
Freak
adil
is
contributing
to
the
PI
he's
doing
the
part,
libraries
so
yeah,
a
person
that
wants
to
take
it
further.
They
can
by
all
means
yeah,
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say
in
this
meeting.
I
think
we're
we're
good.
That
thing
is:
is
this
the
wanted.
K
To
add
about
the
April
camp
in
Hamburg
that
I've
been
looking
into
using
get
I'm
gonna,
do
an
experiment
with
the
universal
putting
in
putting
it
on
kits
and
using
the
assembly
workbench,
and
so
now
we
have
a
branch
and
the
parts
individually
can
be
updated.
Maybe
have
some
respite
branches
that
people
are
working
on.
We
can
merge
certain
parts
and
then
just
update
the
assembly,
but
I
will
and
it
could
be
combined
with
ipfs,
so
it
can
be
decentralized,
running
clones,
completely
decentralized.
K
K
H
H
Do
you
prefer
to
everybody,
does
the
same
program
so,
for
example,
my
experience
when
with
a
Gant
case,
so
we
hadn't
trouble
setting
of
the
princess
because
of
the
difference
in
240
and
110
volts
and
the
slightly
different
adapter
part.
So
we
were
late
on
the
schedule,
an
excellent.
We
didn't
work
on
the
Raspberry
Pi
tablet.
Actually.
E
H
But
the
collaboration
within
the
group
was
a
kind
of
cool
I
thing,
because
so
I
knew,
for
example,
about
keycap,
but
I,
don't
know
much
about
over
more
about
your
electronics
and
then
it
turned
out
that,
but
there
was
a
Inkscape
master
who
could
fix
the
Inkscape
that
was
output
from
geek
hat,
so
it
was
a.
It
was
very
dynamic
and
very
calm
fluent
or
some
things,
yeah
I
think
it
worked
actually
pretty.
Well,
although
we
didn't
adhere
to
the
same.
A
You
just
I
think
it's
both
if
that
worked
out
great
for
you
guys,
that's
awesome
and
then
I
think.
If
we
can
do
more
together,
then
you
can
in
principle
accelerate
that
progress.
But
in
this
event
we
only
had
so
many
people
right,
so
you
guys
were
going
off
there.
You
had
your
own
team,
that's
great!
A
In
America,
we
only
had
a
few
people.
We
can
only
do
so
much.
Both
work
I
mean
anyway,
that
works
just
trying
to
keep
keep
to
the
to
the
end
goal
of
okay,
we're
actually
generating
some
economic
significance
out
of
this
to
that
we're
creating
real
products
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
what
was
what
happened
with
you
guys
was
great
I,
think
and
just
making
it
better
on
one
side
and
the
other
so
both
on
it
on
the
collaboration
within
a
group
and
then
between
the
groups
too.
So
there'll
be
good.
A
That's
that
works
I
mean
one
model
is
the
short
window
of
opportunity
where
there's
just
a
bunch
of
people,
so
you
can
create
a
model,
an
operational
model
that
actually
works
while
producing
like
completely
comparing
back
to
software
software.
Does
that
but
people
don't
so
much
have
to
be
co-located,
because
it's
all
virtual
here
you
got
to
have
much
more,
including
the
colocation
with
resources,
but
the
idea
is
how
do
we
really
make
that
work?
A
So
it's
a
it's
a
better
procedure
than
what
we
have
right
now
right
now
you
have
one
company,
another
company,
all
of
them
hundreds,
thousands
repeating
the
same
thing.
That's
super
wasteful.
So
what
we're
trying
to
set
here
is
paradigm.
Okay,
we're
actually
very
deliberately
all
coming
together
and
working
on
the
same
thing
to
finish
that
and
be
done
with
it,
so
we
can
move
on
to
other
things,
which
is
ultimately
higher
pursuits
or
personal
evolution,
or
human
evolution
or
freedom
through
taking
care
of
the
economy.
First,
so
like
the
bigger
picture,
is
okay.
A
Can
we
attain
some
freedom
in
our
lives
because
we
have
economic
abundance,
so
I
mean
the
bigger
much
bigger
picture
there
is.
Okay.
Are
we
collaborating
on
effective
products
that
can
be
mainstream
products,
not
just
some
fringe
hobby
stuff?
This
is
about
real
economic
significance
for
the
products
that
get
developed.
It
mean
that
this,
the
same-old
same-old,
which
is
not
your
China
or
some
centralized
Factory,
but
every
community
with
a
micro
factory,
so
keeping
that
vision.
H
A
A
A
We
can
really
get
that
done
if
we
have
an
effective
process.
That's
that's
the
simple
vision
and
and
when
you
do
that
successfully
that
changes
the
world
I,
think
and
that's
that's
kind
of
the
vision
here
there
is
that
potential
I
mean
that's
not
impossible.
It's
completely
doable
nobody's
doing
it
yet
I
think
it's
gonna
be
happening
everywhere
within
a
few
years
or
decades,
but
it's
just
not
happening.
H
A
H
J
D
H
A
K
The
steam
camps
to
work
together
on
product
development
I'm
totally
for,
of
course,
but
I-
think
the
the
main
focus
now
for
the
first
months.
Maybe
the
first
year
yeah
should
be
on
rapid
prototyping,
like
getting
the
printers
really
perfected
or
creating
PCB,
making
the
software
workflow
educating
people
in
that,
and
then
you
can
have
like
mass
elaboration
at
certain
days
that
you
work
online
together
on
a
large
scale
to
do
the
actual
product
development
with
all
the
printers
already
running
and
the
possibility
to
prototype
on
a
large
scale.
So
yeah,
yes,
yeah!
K
K
A
E
K
That's
what
what
I
personally
want
to
focus
on
for
at
least
the
next
few
months
for
looking
forward
to
the
campaign
Hamburg,
getting
the
universal
and
the
universal
mega
and
software
chain
and
then
start
developing
the
tablet
air
looking
further
into
the
Arduino,
the
power,
electronics
and
yeah
the
battery
the
battery
packs
and
stuff.
But
yeah
now
focus
on
on
the
on
the
printing
and
PCB
really
instructor
yeah.
A
K
There's
a
lot
of
interest,
a
lot
of
people
getting
inspired
by
the
idea
of
the
the
micro
factories,
the
the
collaboration,
so
yeah
I'm,
getting
quite
a
positive
response
here
and
in
Belgium
yeah
from
several
several
hackerspaces
people
that
want
to
contribute
in
software
and
hardware
development.
So
it's
gonna,
take
off
I!
Think.
A
Absolutely
absolutely
it's
and
that's
what
just
to
now
get
into
the
summer
of
extreme
design.
Build
I
was
thinking
about
that
and
some
clarity
was
emerging
to
me
too,
that
the
first
month
we're
gonna,
build
everything
so
and
Michelle
hold
your
vulgar
crisps,
myself,
we're
gonna
be
there,
but
we're
gonna
start
right
away.
We're
gonna
have
the
one-inch
axis,
we're
gonna
put
the
torch
on
it.
We're
gonna
put
a
welder
on
it
and
that's
called
a
metal
3d
printer
and
a
CNC
torch
table.
A
A
A
We
take
the
existing
one-inch
axis,
something
that
we
can
say
say:
there's
24
people
there
we
can
print
all
the
parts
and
assemble
at
all
in
like
a
couple
of
days
and
then
just
we
just
put
a
regular
torch
like
not
much
just
easy
access
that
controls
it
up
and
down
in
a
torch,
we're
like
without
even
gas
control.
We
could
make
that
cut
useful
parts
like,
for
example,
for
the
shredder.
A
We
need
metal
blades
for
the
shredder,
which
is
first
month,
work
for
getting
big
plastic
printing
means
you
got
to
get
free,
filament,
essentially
at
a
few
cents
per
kilogram
right.
So
we
we
use
that
tool
chain.
We
cut
out
blades
and
stuff
like
that,
with
the
existing
torch
and
so
focus
always
on.
We
use
what's
already
there,
but
we
continue
continue
to
improve
it.
So
I
think
using
that
modular
design,
the
module
based
design
to
make
it
happen.
A
So
yes,
I
think
that
theme
of
developing
the
tool
chain
is
this
huge
and
that
that's
just
gonna
explode
pretty
soon
and
I'm
glad
to
say
that
the
one
guy
who's
signing
up
for
the
whole
summer
there's
two
guys
now
for
the
whole
summer,
the
one
guy
wants
to
set
up
essentially
a
3d
printing
micro
Factory
in
Mexico.
So
once
again,
people
who
are
talking
about
enterprises
is
not
like
leaving
the
hobby
realm
into.
Okay,
now
we're
gonna
start
getting
into
production
so
that
that
direction
I'm.
A
A
But
yeah,
let's
not
communicate
openly
like
and
the
other
thing
actually
I'll
bring
this
last
thing
up
about
relating
to
each
other,
as
the
leader
is
like
a
strong
leader
of
a
project.
I
get
this
all
the
time
coming
to
me,
which
is
about
me
being
Jesus
and
I,
don't
like
it,
so
the
dynamic
that
we
need
to
be
very
clear
about
is
that
we're
all
collaborating
and
that
this
one
quote
comes
to
mind.
Actually
I
wrote
a
page
on
this
because
actually
some
situation
made
me
do
that
recently
it's
called
working
with
OSC.
A
Please
take
a
look
at
it.
Let
me
just
put
that
link
in
there
I'll
make
it
very
explicit,
I'll
make
it
very
explicit
during
the
the
Belize
build
and
during
the
summer
of
extreme
design,
build,
let
me
paste
it
in,
but
the
idea
is
we're
here
like
if
you're
liberation
it
like.
Basically,
if
you've
come
here
to
help
you
you've
come
to
the
wrong
place.
But
if
your
liberation
is
tied
up
with
mine,
then
we
can
work
together.
In
other
words,
we
work
as
partners
and
collaborators.
A
Not
this
thing
that
the
dynamic
I
get
sometimes
here
in
OSC
is
people
are
looking
at
me
like
you
know,
I'm
the
leader,
and
they
need
my
blessing
to
do
stuff.
It's
not
like
that.
It's
supposed
to
be
about
a
more
collaborative
approach,
because
that
means,
if
you're
there
like
for
me
personally.
That
means
you're
not
getting
what
you
need
out
of
that.
It's
not
your
vision
and
drive
and
that
absolutely
needs
to
be
there
because
then
the
fruits
of
the
project
you
can
enjoy.
A
Not
like
my
praise
and
I,
bring
that
up
explicit
because
I
mean
I
I
run
into
this
here
and
there
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
out
into
the
open,
because
if,
if
we're
here
together
on
our
team-
and
we
have
a
common
vision
of
making
the
distribute
in
the
world
happen,
the
open-source
microfactory
that's
awesome,
but
there's
a
few
people
in
the
room
that
are
in
it.
For
other
reasons,
they're
gonna
burn
out
and
get
tired,
but
I
just
bring
this
up.
As
a
as
a
closing
personal
note.
C
Think
there's
very
well,
and
maybe
it's
something
also
which
can
like,
like
really
be.
You
know
like
be
beyond
I.
Have
the
adair
like
culture
yeah
can
affirm
Chartres?
Maybe
that
can
be
something
which
is
almost
fundamental
to
OSC,
not
necessarily
products
themselves,
but
the
culture
and
the
way
of
working
a
bit
like
the
agile
manifesto
yeah.
C
F
C
But
Debian
they
are.
If
you
look
under
structure
it,
it's
it's
actually,
not
as
some
decentralized
as
I.
Think
that
maybe
wants
to
focus
on
there
is.
There
is
a
lot
of
let's
say:
yeah.
There
are
some
clear
hierarchies
and
structures
which
are
not
as
obviously,
unless
you
go
a
bit
deeper
into
it
of
who
can
provide
packages
and
who
are
the
ones
who
decides
which
ones
gets
you
to
the
next
level.
Things
like
that,
so,
okay,
this
is
my
personal
yeah
yeah.
C
A
C
C
E
C
C
You
mentioned
about
the
data
scientist
coming
in
and
looking
at
that's
how
this
work
can
be
done
as
effectively
as
possible,
especially
if
they
have
some
some
knowledge
in
topology
and
and
like
you've,
making
integration
but
applied
on
developments
and
version
controls,
complex
system
stuff.
That
sounds
really
interesting.
Just
a
side
comments,
yeah.
G
C
C
A
Thank
you
all
for
for
the
feedback.
That's
that's
good.
I
think
we're
going
forward
anything
else.
We
got
a
cover
here,
cuz,
otherwise
I
mean
we're
pretty
much
gonna
post.
The
event
like
I
want
to
see
if
I
can
get
it
up
tonight
for
the
New
Zealand
Boston,
/
Richmond
and
we'll
go
from
there
just
keep
going
at
it.
K
I
just
wanted
to
mention
I
posted
a
link
to
some
interesting
talks
about
open
source
development
that
were
held
at
FOSDEM
and
in
Brussels,
beginning
of
February,
and
yes
about
the
Chi
cat,
free
cats
and
all
kinds
of
things
uric
doctor
also-
and
he
mentions
that
he
uses
also
get
lab
to
collaborate
on
our
structural
projects
with
the
several
live.
Architect's
spreads
over
the
world,
so
they
have
an
international
architecture,
studio,
sort
of
and.
E
K
Use
it
lab
so
I'm
gonna
contact
him
and
and
also
to
ask
in
what
manner
that
they
use
it
yeah.
He
was
the
person
who
wrote
the
gate,
lab
and
the
gates
module
for
free
cat,
but
he
doesn't
use
it
themselves.
He
says
they
have
workflow
using
in
the
lab.
So
there's
some
interesting
talks.
It's
all
about
force.
Them
is
all
about
open
source
software,
mostly,
but
also
hardware,
developing
more
and
more
yeah.