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From YouTube: Collaborative Literacy - with Eugene Kim
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Eugene coined the term "Collaborative Literacy" - a critical principle of how Open Source Ecology operates. Hear our discussion. http://fasterthan20.com/
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B
A
No,
that's
a
critical
thing
like
we're.
Finding
a
culturally
like
a
know,
world
of
open-source
hardware
where
we
live
in
that
kind
of
literacy
is
a
real
block
for
many
people
in
terms
of
what
it's
not
like.
When
we're
working
on
open
hardware,
it's
not
to
any
thing
with
technology,
it's
with
social
technology.
It's
the
collaborative
literacy,
that's
the
issue!
No,
we
run
into
I
can.
B
A
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
There
we
can
answer
that,
but
yeah
yeah.
Yes,
so
we
actively
teach
about
what
kind
of
mindset
and
what
kind
of
tools
said
you
need
to
have
in
order
to
engage
in
large-scale
collaboration
on
hardware
cuz.
There's
a
project
we're
gonna
launch
next
year,
which
is
designing
the
world's
first
professional-grade
open-source
3d
printed,
cordless
drill,
it's
gonna
be
an
incentive
challenge
on
hero
X
but,
unlike
like
I,
was
blown
away
by
heroic.
So
that's
a
collaborative
kind
of
kind
of
a
collaborative
design
platform.
A
A
Okay,
pulling
into
that
trap
where,
instead
of
everybody,
collaborating
and
and
working
on,
a
bigger
problem
than
ourselves,
it's
like
we're
still
competing
so
part
of
our
de
beauté
there,
with
a
cordless
drill,
be
that
the
rules
will
be
okay.
Everybody
is
required
to
upload
and
download
and
review
other
people's
stuff
and
work
as
a
team,
so
we're
gonna
design
all
those
rules
to
be
for
optimizing
collaboration,
which
I
was
kind
of
blown
away
to
see
that
all
those
projects
and
I
could
not
find
one.
A
Then,
where
people
are
collaborating
or
that
the
results
were
open-source,
the
closest
was
actually
Mozilla,
which
was
not
collaborative
because
people
were
competing
for
whatever
their
challenge
was,
and
it
was
partly
open
source
because
they
didn't
require
the
submissions
themselves
to
be
open
source.
Only
the
winning
submission
would
be
open
source
so
that
kind
of
deal
so.
B
B
A
Thing
with
its
core
to
our
culture,
because
we
think
that,
of
course,
we
can
change
the
world
in
a
profoundly
like
software
with
hardware,
but
that
requires
a
new
kind
of
awareness
that
the
rules
of
patents,
and
all
of
that,
that's
that's
not
the
way.
Things
are
it's
just
it's
a
human
construct,
yeah.
B
A
A
I
talked
briefly
about
that,
and
an
idea
was
that
you
know
I
always
wanted
to
do
good
things
with
with
technology,
but
part
I
went
in
the
school
system.
The
less
useful
I
felt
so
the
last
year
of
my
PhD
farm
I
started
open
source
ecology.
Now,
why
did
I
do
that?
There
were
two
formative
events
for
one.
Somebody
in
my
group
showed
me:
Linux
I've
never
heard
about
it
at
that
time.
This
was
around
2000
or
so
I
said
wow,
that's
that's
cool,
something!
That's
different!
That's
free!
That's
collaborative
that
kind
of
piqued.
A
My
interest
and
I
saw
how
people
worked
in
in
our
research
program
and
I
actually
wasn't
able
to
talk
openly
about
the
work
that
I
was
doing
and
I
noticed.
That's
like
wow.
This
is
not
right.
We're
at
a
public
institution.
What's
going
on
here
and
I
thought
that
well,
if
that
happens
here,
that
must
happen
everywhere,
and
there
must
be
all
this
competitive
waste
happening
and
I
said:
wow,
that's
not
right,
and
what
would
the
world
look
like
if
we
really
collaborated
so
those
kinds
of
thoughts
really
started
burbling
up
and
then
so.
A
First
thing
I
wanted
to
do
after
that
is
not
not
in
you
know,
quit
academia
and
just
start
to
just
really
get
out
there
entrepreneurially
to
get
out
there
into
the
world,
and
that
was
to
get
some
land
and
start
a
civilization,
reboot
experiment
I
found
that
tools
were
needed
and
missing
open-source
affordable,
fixable
tools
that
was
badly
missing
and
a
whole
that
whole
endeavor.
So
I
like
I,
took
out
some
agriculture
activity,
but
I
found
you
can't
really
get
the
best
practices
nor
affordable
tools
to
get
that
operation
going.
A
So
that's
when
I
said:
okay,
let's
open
source
the
tools
and
techniques
start
with
building
housing
like
this
is
the
facility.
Here
we
there
was
nothing
here
was
just
a
their
piece
of
land,
so
we
built
some
infrastructure
and
started
going
from
that,
but
noticing
that
okay,
it's
really
hard
to
do
that
because
of
the
cost
and
things
break
down
and
in
school.
A
You
know
graduating
from
college
I
thought
oh
yeah,
with
a
PG
program
and
I
was
like
oh
yeah,
I'm
ready,
and
then
you
get
the
reality
of
what
it
means
to
do
farm
and
then
all
the
practical
things
there.
So
that's
kind
of
the
nutshell
of
it
and
formulated
the
global
village
construction
set
idea
in
2008
after
a
few
years
on
the
land,
saying:
ok,
let's
nail
the
the
society's
technical
infrastructure
so
that
people
don't
have
to
struggle
with
it
to
make
a
living
and
life
is
easy.
A
So
the
eventual
goal
is
kind
of
once
again
the
kind
of
a
post-scarcity
let's
evolve
to
freedom,
let's
think
about.
What's
after
when
making
a
living
is
no
longer
an
issue
for
people,
because
right
now
you
know
we
don't
believe
in
any
of
these
material
scarcities
that
are
that
the
economy
plays
out.
It's
still
a
very
much
power,
concentrated
economy.
So
we're
talking,
we
talked
about
the
idea
of
a
distributive
economy.
How
do
you
design
into
the
system
that
you're
sharing
and
giving
power
wasted?
A
A
Into
this
well
in
the
farming,
I
would
I
did
some
urban
gardening
in
Madison,
so
I
went
to
school
in
Madison
and
the
dad
was
was
great.
I
saw
things
just
grew
like
crazy.
On
the
street
side,
it's
like
planting
trees
in
people's
backyards,
just
kind
of
distributed
thing
where
we
would
like
share
them,
share
the
produce
and
stuff.
So
just
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
that,
not
much
at
all.
As
far
as
building
things
really
nothing,
because
in
a
ph.d
program
out,
you
know
you
don't
do
your
machining
or
any
building.
A
Typically
it
was.
It
was
an
experimental
program,
but
typically
you
let
the
machinist
guys
do
that
and
you
just
sit
behind
the
computer
screen
and
designing
things.
So,
no,
not
not
at
all
the
hands-on
experience
and
just
learned
it
I
mean
it's
really
a
passion
to
learn,
because
you
have
to
learn
it
and
you
know
to
build
the
the
brick
press,
the
first
thing
machine
we
build
the
tractors
and
things
that
we
do
right
now.
A
B
I
can
imagine
like
just
now
the
awareness
and
the
appreciation
for
what
you're
doing
is
so
heightened,
because
people
are
more
conscious
of
just
where
we
are.
You
know,
society
speaking
environmentally
speaking,
and
also
just
cares
about.
Like
I
mean
you
said
so
you
started
this
in
like
the
early
2000s,
like.
B
A
That
was
like
the
early
days
of
that
right
now,
we're
pretty
much
building
off
all
the
open
source
technology
through
the
RepRap
project,
which
yes,
so
right
now
I
mean
we're
right
now
as
we're
speaking
we're
designing
the
new
versions
of
the
printer
and
other
kits
for
education
and
for
running
steam
camps,
but
that's
completely
built
on
open
source
and
when
we
started
that
the
particular
3d
printing
stuff
yeah
that
just
was
not
there
yet
so
that
were
certainly
benefiting
from
the
community.
The
other
things
like
tractors
or
brick
presses
nobody's
doing
it.
B
A
Stuff,
the
ideas
that
we
build
the
long-term
plan
is
to
build
campuses,
so
this
is
like
the
initial
seeds
of
of
an
education
facility,
so
agriculture
production
living
work.
All
of
that
will
be
built
in
a
couple
of
days
ago.
We
just
harvested
115
pounds
of
fish
from
our
aquaponic
system,
so
we
still
have
a
bit
of
that
going.
We
shut
that
down
for
the
next
iteration
for
next
year.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
permaculture
apple
trees
and
lots
of
different
trees
planted
out,
but
right
now
we're
at
the
stage.
A
Okay,
let's
get
some
enterprise
activity
going
around
like
the
3d
printer,
the
education
we're
getting
much
more
into
the
what
we
will
be
getting
starting
up
the
agriculture
pretty
much
like
next
year
with
our
own
equipment
in
a
major
way.
So
all
this
time
we've
actually
been
developing
the
enabling
tools
so
initially
started.
Full-Time
agriculture.
A
Yet
this
is
a
real
good
working
farm,
but
we're
finding
out
like
right
now
we're
transitioning
to
the
fact
that
okay,
there's
one
major
ingredient,
but
a
lot
of
open
source
projects
is
missed
and
that's
called
product
or
financial
feedback
loops.
So
we're
really
working
on
that
right
now,
we're
we're,
you
can
say
we're
working
on
a
business
as
opposed
to
on
a
product,
yeah
understanding.
Finally,
that,
yes,
it's
time
for
both
if
we're
ever
gonna
scale,
so
right.
A
Back
to
the,
if
we
talk
about
the
agriculture,
the
long
answer
to
that
is
yes,
we
will
build
that
in
as
far
as
a
real
working
infrastructure
of
the
community
that
we
have
here,
so
you
can
think
about
it
as
a
university
campus
most
closely,
because
we're
planning
on
building
is
so
there's
infrastructure
for
living
for
working
for
production
for
agriculture.
So
it's
all
going
to
be
an
integrated
per
se,
like
you
have
a
green
hood,
starting
the
concept
of
an
aggregate
which.
B
A
Core
communities
like
a
dozen
people
that
are
pretty
much
continuing
developers,
I
mean
there's
hundreds
of
people
or
thousands
on
a
wiki
and
stuff
all
together,
but
active
development.
No
like
we
haven't.
Continuity
is
a
big
issue.
Obviously,
in
a
an
open-source
project,
we
did
not
get
like
like
Linux
to
come
about,
oh
no,
how
long
decade
or
so
to
to
get
fully
corporate-sponsored,
but
right
now
we're
still
at
the
very
early
stages,
so
we're
trying
to
just
build
up
the
enterprise
infrastructure
to
make
it
happen.
But
throughout
the
years
I
mean
that's.
A
The
big
missing
link
is
the
enterprise
part
and
that's
kind
of
like
from
my
perspective,
I've.
You
know
been
out
there
out
here,
living
at
low
cost,
so
we
can
afford
it
in
terms
of
low
cost
existence
and
just
prototyping.
So
the
last
decade
has
been
like
all
hundreds
of
prototypes
of
everything
adding
up
but
now
really
getting
to.
Ok,
let's
get
some
traction
out
of
this,
so
we
can
actually
have
people
making
livelihoods
out
of
it,
because
one
thing
that
really
shocked
me
was
like,
even
when
we
did
the
brick
press
in
2008.
A
B
B
A
Oh
I
think
it's
in
this
country
cuz,
because
when
you
go
in
to
go
abroad,
you're
talking
about
much
more
complexity,
that
I
don't
think
we
we
have
a
lot
of
authority
to
negotiate.
At
this
point,
I'd
say
we're
quite
familiar
with
what
goes
on
in
the
States
right
now.
We're
going
after
the
education
market
was
that
the
business
model
we've
been
developing
is
extreme
manufacturing
workshops.
So
the
workshop
model,
where
people
build
stuff
rapidly
like
say
they
build
a
printer
3d
printer
in
a
day
and
take
it
home.
A
We
did
workshops
where
you
do
a
house
build
in
five
days
or
an
aquaponic
greenhouse,
but
we've
got
a
a
CB
micro
house
build
and
Belize
coming
up
in
February,
so
people
sign
up
for
that's
how
we
get
paid,
we've
been
doing
a
workshop
model
and
now
focusing
around
steam
education.
So
we
do
this
open
source
micro
factories,
steam
camps.
B
A
A
B
A
Like
that,
that
kind
of
stuff,
like
yeah
a
lot
of
people,
ask
us
that
question
but
I
think
we
got
to
start
at
home
like
we
got
to
change
our
city,
Maysville
Missouri
thousand
people,
you
know
meth,
labs
or
and
and
commercial
agriculture
erosion.
You
know
it's
kind
of
depressed
here.
We
got
to
start
here,
you
know
so
that's
that's!
Our
target
market
is
like
well
get
the
people
through
the
education
sector.
Yeah
get
the
funding
there,
but
you
want
to
have
impact.
A
B
A
A
We're
sourcing
talent
from
there
that
there
are
people
who
can
teach
our
steam
cans,
but
we
want
to
apply
that
to
tangible
development,
so
basically
the
open
source
equipment
version
of
that,
because
the
fab
labs
are
largely
proprietary
equipment.
So
the
costs
are
higher.
We're
talking
about
micro
factories,
they're
100%,
open-source
tool
chains,
free
CAD,
wiki's,
open
source,
3d
printers
torch
tables,
CNC
machines
and
all
that
where
it's
affordable
and
yes,
it
can
then
reap
reinvigorate
and
entrepreneurial
activity.
Yeah.
That's.
B
Really
cool
I
mean
it's
I
can
imagine,
it
must
be
really
challenging.
You
know
it's
just
that
period.
Try
it
like
with
Linux
software.
It's
easy
right,
I
can
get
engaged
right
now.
I
just
need
knowledge,
but
there's
like
a
much
higher.
You
know
startup
cost
if
I
want
to
get
involved
in
the
kind
of
thing
yeah.
A
B
B
A
Five
or
ten
years
ago,
right
some
night
and
day
yet
when
you
talk
talk
about
hardware
like
just
nobody
sees
it,
everyone
says:
oh
yeah
investors,
patents
top
down
like
all
of
that
they're,
just
not
seeing
it
I
think
the
thinking
about
it.
I
think
we
had
identified
that
it's
a
200
years
of
proprietary
Industrial
Revolution
culture
hardware
has
always
been
proprietary
from
the
earliest
days,
whereas
software
actually
started
an
open-source
50s,
then
it
was
kind
of
open
source
kind
of
closed
up
a
bit.
A
Then
Linux
came
out
in
the
90s,
then
Microsoft
kind
of
tried
to
squash
it
and
then
by
2010
or
whatever
2020
open
source
is
dominant.
You
know
so
it
took
a
couple
of
decades
but
yeah.
That's
we've
had
200
years
of
industrial
culture,
that's
closed
source,
highly
proprietary,
so
I
think
we're
struggling
with
that,
because
the
agents
were
actually
doing
it,
they're
all
in
the
matrix
they're.
All
in
the
network
of
proprietary
mindset
yeah,
whereas
in
software
there
was,
there
was
a
lot
more
of
the
awareness
of
open,
yeah,
yeah.
B
B
A
A
Yes,
that's
the
typical
response.
No
it's!
It's
amazing
how
even
from
the
entrepreneurs
I
mean
just
everybody.
It's
like
very
hard
case
to
sell
at
this
point,
and
simply
because
not
a
not
a
single
case
in
my
view,
has
been
shown
of
a
clear
victory
of
open
source,
even
though
it
did
happen
already
with
3d
printers.
Nobody,
no.
B
A
Yes,
company
the
company
today
that
sells
the
largest
number
of
printers
as
far
as
I
know,
is
Prusa
3d
printers
they're,
founded
by
Joseph
Prusa,
a
guy
who
has
the
open-source
Hardware
logo
tattooed
on
his
arm.
Wow
in
3d
printers
lulzbot
was
a
major
company,
they're
kind
of
they
actually
got
bought
out
recently,
but
MakerBot
which
went
proprietary,
but
so
they
kind
of
don't
exist
anymore.
A
But
but
now
today
the
biggest
biggest
manufacturers
are
based
on
open
source
and
all
the
other
cheap
clones
they're
all
based
on
open
source,
so
I
would
I,
don't
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
the
vast
majority
of
printers
the
consumer
printers
that
you
see
out
there
either
are
open
source
or
built
upon
the
open
source
content,
and
then
they
made
proprietary
so
yeah.
It's
an
example
of
a
complete
industry,
chance
transformation,
starting
about
twenty,
twelve
or
so
or
20,
whatever
the
was
2008
when
the
patent
ran
out
on
the
3d
printer.
A
So
it's
just
like
the
the
steam
engine
and
Industrial
Revolution.
The
patent
ran
out
from
James
Watt.
A
bunch
of
people
started
called
developing
and
I
got
the
the
efficiencies
to
be
twice
as
high
within
a
decade
or
so
so
as
the
historical
examples
a
long
time
ago,
an
Industrial
Revolution.
But
yes,
the
modern
example
is
the
3d
printer
but
kind
of
nobody.
Nobody
really
noticed
that
now.
B
A
Absolutely
right
and
from
my
perspective
that
blows
me
away
that
is
not
being
covered,
but
I
think.
The
main
reason
is
that
it
did
not
show
the
case
of
okay.
Here's
a
company-
and
here's
like
this
amazing,
open
collaboration
and
you
get
better
products
faster.
It
took
time
it
was
definitely
like
the
RepRap
community
you're
completely
disorganized
altogether
moves
forward
because
there's
so
many
people
working
on
it
and
eventually
the
top
companies
like
lulzbot
and
Prusa
and
ultime
Kerr,
Ulta
makers,
not
open-source,
but
they
all
came
out
of
that
work.
A
So
yeah,
it's
actually
one
of
those
fascinating
historical
studies
that
no
as
Silicon
Valley
is
not
paying
attention
to
it.
And
why
not
is
I,
don't
know
it's
it
should
be.
I
mean
should
be
tell
the
story
that
should
be
told
yeah,
it's
definitely
a
case.
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
an
incentive
challenge,
so
so,
in
summary,
they
have
delivered
the
best
product,
but
not
on
schedule.
It
took
a
long
time
it
wasn't
an
effective,
efficient,
economically
viable
process.
B
A
B
A
Selected
that
because
it
lends
itself
to
3d
printing
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
3d
printers
out
there,
so
a
lot
of
people
can
collaborate
but
actually
we're
doing
a
steam
camps.
Because
part
of
that
is
how
do
you
get
a
thousand
or
more
people
to
collaborate
effectively
on
a
project?
Right,
yes,
and
if
you
look
at
the
video
link,
I
sent
you
I
in
an
hour,
I
told
the
overview
of
how
we
think
that
can
happen
and
that's
what
that's
our
experiment
so
really.
A
A
Know
so
for
one
yeah
I,
don't
know
like
I
was
gonna,
say
so
next
year,
we're
doing
I,
don't
know,
maybe
like
if
I
could
invite
you
here,
for
so
we're
not
sure
we're
doing
three
months
of
summer
of
extreme
design-build.
It's
about
collaborative
development
of
the
kind
of
stuff
that
we
build,
but
I
don't
know
how
we
can
rope
you
in
New
York
I
mean
you
work,
I
mean
coming
up
more.
What
you
do
so
you
do
like
team
building
and
scaling
of
how
people
work
with
collaborative
literacy.
I
mean
coming
about
I
made.
B
B
If
I
can't
talk
about
it,
then
I
can't
share
what
I'm
learning
but
other
than
that
like
I,
would
if
it
was
a
project
that,
like
sounded
interesting
and
was
consistent
with
my
then
I
would
work
with
whoever
the
client
was
and
try
and
support
them
in
doing
whatever
they
were
doing
and
tried
to
apply.
Everything
I
was
learning
to
creating
success
from
that,
so
like
in
2009-2010.
Let
the
week
me
a
strategic
planning
process
right.
A
B
B
Me,
for
it
was
strategic
planning
means
right.
So
how
do
you
do
that,
and
you
know
across
scale,
I
work
on
like
water
issues
in
California,
and
he
a
group
of
stakeholders
who,
like
water,
is
an
important.
We
don't
have
enough
of
it
here.
Right
and
people
like
are
suing
each
other
and
hate
each
other
like.
How
do
you
get
people
to
actually
talk
about
with
each.