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B
B
So
so
brian
should
be
on
here.
D
B
I'm
pretty
unclear
about,
like,
I
think,
there's
stuff
we
got
to
be
doing
with
respect
to
the.
As
you
said,
the
exemption
thing
I
feel
like
I
feel
like
we're
not.
B
I
guess
on
the
same
page,
in
terms
of
like
okay,
exactly
what
are
our
goals
like
what
kind
of
timelines
there
are
for
it?
How
aggressively
we
pursue
it?
I
mean,
regarding
I
mean
what
immediately
speaking
like
regarding
the
exemption,
so
is
that
something
you're
actually
like
actively
pursuing
right
now
or.
C
A
C
Is
where
all
of
the
education
department
people
handle
their
stuff,
and
I
film
out
as
much
as
I
can
just
based
on
what
I
know.
I
could
probably
dig
into
the
wiki
and
find
some
more
info,
but
I
prefer
that
I
not
be
the
person
doing
that.
So
the
next
step
would
be
drop.
A
program
outline
as
a
document
submit
the
exception
and
then
wait
for
which
is.
B
C
E
B
C
B
And,
what's
so,
regarding
the
I'm
not
clear
about
the
scope
of
what
this
education
opportunity
has
to
be
like?
How
extensive
is
it?
Is
it
something?
That's
like
a
weak
thing?
Is
it
like?
Can
it
be
a
weekend?
Is
it
a
week?
Is
it
like
a
month
thing?
Is
it
like
what
exactly
is
the
time
duration
of
the
educational
thing
that
could
be
any
at
all.
B
But
that's
maybe
maybe
we
diversify
the
the
package
of
the
here's,
the
builder,
so
that's
two
weeks,
that's
pretty
ambitious,
but
wouldn't
there
be
something
before
that
more
along
the
lines,
how
we
do
the
three-day
stem
or
steam
curriculum,
where
you
get
some
critical
design,
learning
and
and
the
thing
we
can
definitely
come
up
with
that.
But
after
the
learnings
from
the
apprenticeship,
I
have
to
revisit
exactly
what
we
teach
in
a
short
curriculum,
because
I've
been
well.
B
B
In
the
general
sense
that
people
become
the
creators
designers
of
the
world
around
them
and
I
think
there's
there's
meaningful
tangible
steps
that,
after
a
short
course,
people
can
actually
start
contributing
meaningfully
in
that
prompt
process,
but
maybe
like
we
need
to
really
discuss
what
that
means,
because,
like
from
the
programs
at
osc,
it's
like
the
return
on
investment
in
terms
of
people
actually
contributing
back
to
it.
B
No,
it's
it's!
It's
not
happening.
It's
not
happening
along
the
lines
like.
I
think
you
can
learn
like
this
very
basic
thing.
Small
thing
and
if
you
understand
the
the
concept
of
this
is
like
the
whole,
bigger,
bigger
question
that
we're
trying
to
solve,
like
is
the
overall
mission
of
osce
like
how
to
save
the
world
here
is
how
do
you
get
to
collaborative
design
because
there's
a
definite
or
collaborative
a
collaborative
society
or
an
open
source
economy?
B
There's
some
very,
very
basic
concepts
that
people
to
people
are
like
completely
foreign,
that's
related
to
all
the
stuff,
we're
talking
about.
It's
like
okay,
call
it
reinventing
the
american
dream,
call
it
transforming
society,
whatever
kind
of
labels
we
can
put
to.
B
So
we
can
start
with
maybe
like
here's
the
highest
level,
most
popularly
digestible
way
to
do
this,
because
right
now,
I've
been
somewhat
in
the
weeds
like
okay.
If
you
want
to
design
hardware
artifacts,
this
is
how
you
can
do
it,
how
you
can
collaborate
with
anybody
else
in
the
world,
build
upon
existing
knowledge
and
contribute
things
that
actually
move
real
products
forward.
B
So
that's
like
super
technical.
It's
like
amount
of
skill
required
for
it,
even
though,
like
everybody
does
that
everybody
does
that
in
in
a
workforce
you
work
for
some
company,
either
selling
or
you're
designing,
stuff
or
related
things
like
a
lot
of.
It
is
related
to
the
physical
world
and
stuff.
So
it's
a
topic
that
is
all
around
us,
but
people
don't
even
see
it.
B
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
maybe
what
we
can
start
with,
as
in
in
terms
of
the
rigorous
like
actual
certification
or
education,
would
be
like
jumping
out
of
the
weeds
a
little
bit
to
a
higher
level
picture
of
this
potential,
because
I
feel
that
if
we
can
communicate
that
potential
more
effectively,
we
can
do
better.
B
I
feel,
like
absolutely
failed,
like
I
have
absolutely
failed
to
communicate
how
you
actually
do
it.
So
there's
the
inspiration.
There's
the
ted
talk,
but
it's
like
how
do
you
actually
do
it
because
right
now,
the
answer
to
me
is
that
it
is
so
complicated
to
learn
that
mindset,
skill
set
and
so
forth.
B
But
maybe
we
need
to
revisit
that
question
and
start
looking
at.
How
do
you
communicate
this
in
a
different
way?
Maybe
that's
the
kind
of
discussion
you
and
I
need
to
be
having
which
really
underlies
all
the
work
that
we're
doing
together
right
like
say
we're
creating
a
builder
crash
course
yeah.
Does
this
make
any
sense.
C
A
C
Of
initially
and
so,
progress
means
refining
what
you've
already
done
into
the
new
swarm,
build
that
we're
working
on
demonstrating
the
all
the
benefits
from
an
efficiency
and
and
effectiveness
angle,
and
that's
how
you
build
the
that's,
how
you
cross
the
bridge
between,
what's
in
your
brain
and
people,
seeing
and
sort
of
buying
into
that
vision,
and
I
I
just
think
that
I
think
it's
hard
for
you
to
have
that
perspective,
because
you've
been
on
the
ground
in
the
trenches
for
a
decade
now,
do
you
have
brian's
cell?
A
C
The
calendar
automatically
adds
a
google
link,
even
though
I
schedule
it
through
zoom.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
he's
not
at
the
wrong
link.
C
B
Yeah
I
just
texted
him
yeah
see
if
asked
him.
If
he's
joining
us.
B
B
What
you're
observing
is
I'm
getting
very
like
very
ambitious
and
impatient?
I
am
pretty
ambitious
all
this
stuff.
I
want
to
try
to
start
to
connect
like
like,
for
example,
doubling
revenue
every
year
is
a
very
explicit
goal
I
have
like
for
next
year.
It
would
be
like
400k
in
terms
of
impact
yeah
and
keep
keeping
that
momentum
going.
B
It's
yeah,
that's
just
that's
just
the
point.
It's
like
yeah
yeah,
just
being
ambitious
and
knowing
that
all
this
stuff
is
possible
and
also
inevitable.
So
that's
why
you
know
I
have
decent
energy
to
do
it
right.
Well,
yeah,
that's
kind
of
what
you're
saying,
but
so
what's
what's
your
strength?
D
E
F
B
A
D
C
You
kind
of
put
me
on
the
spot
for
a
question.
I
I
don't
think
I
was
prepared
to
answer
really
I
mean
I,
my
philosophy
is
you've
been
you've
seen
some
of
the
work
I've
done,
you
know
getting
the
applications
and
stuff
ready
and
the
conversations
we've
had
you
know
I
I
think
a
better
place
to
start
is
like
what
what
has
struck
out
at
you.
C
I
could
give
you
my
strengths
in
terms
of
like
my
previous
work
experience
in
the
military,
but
you
know
with
brian
on
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
everybody's
time.
Did
you
figure
the
window
out
brad.
A
C
Cool
okay:
let's
do
it!
Where
do
you
want
to
start?
Because
it's
been
a
while
since
we've
spoken
and
did
something
prompt
that
email.
F
A
B
F
B
Well,
just
quick,
quick
like
because
yeah
we
haven't
caught
up
in
some
time,
but
by
my
side
I
was
sick
for
a
little
bit
of
time
like
last
week,
and
then
I
don't
know
brian
if
you
saw
but
but
jeff
quit,
so
we
kind
of
had
to
cover
a
little
bit
for
his
mom
died.
He
had
to
so
he
had
to
take
care
of
his
father.
B
He
left
like
now
about
two
weeks
ago,
so
pretty
busy
like
trying
to
recover
some
of
the
stuff,
because
I
had
to
winterize
and
do
other
stuff
kind
of
cover
for
what
he
was
doing.
No,
it's
been
pretty
quite
hectic,
otherwise
the
summer
x's
were
kind
of
like
finishing
the
last
month
here.
So
that's
where
we're
at.
F
I
am
glad
that
I
didn't
do
anything
wrong.
I
I
we
got
you,
I
knew
I
remember
you
were
sick.
I
was
talking
to
katarina
because
I
really
wanted
to
feature
y'all
in
our
grant
and
we
ended
up
being
able
to
do
that.
So,
thank
you.
F
So
that's
I
sent
out
the
final
thing
today
so
that
you
have
that
but
yeah
the
prompt
was
there's
two
more
big
grants
coming
up.
One
is
around
good
jobs
in
february
and
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
say
that
you're
a
nationally,
you
know
or
a
state
recognized
apprenticeship
program
or
whatever
we
could,
and
so
that's
you
know
that
was.
C
C
C
Some
some
communications
company
that's
no
longer
existing.
I
forgot
what
it
was
and
it
was
basically
designed
for
people
who
are
going
to
work
on
circuit
boards
in
a
factory
and
they
had
to
understand
like
fundamentals,
electrical
engineering
and
some
other
stuff
when
the
cut
when
the
company
you
know
was
acquired
or
whatever
the
standards
for
the
apprenticeship
remained
in
the
department
of
labor's
approved
list.
C
And
so
what
we
did
is
we
said.
Oh
cool
osc
is
already
doing
all
of
this
stuff
plus
building
homes,
and
so
we
developed
this
work
process
around
that
and
establish
a
relationship
with
the
state
apprenticeship
coordinator
and
the
employee,
who's
overseas,
marcin's
region.
And
so
here's
where
we
stand.
C
They,
like
our
work
process,
they're
willing
to
approve
it
on
paper.
They
know
that
we're
far
away
from
actually
having
apprentices
on
the
ground
for
the
full
two-year
curriculum
and
they're
still
willing
to
approve
the
standards
that
we've
provided
their
only
hang
up
is
they
need
to
do
a
site
visit
to
make
sure
that
marchand's
real?
And
you
know
he
has
the
tools
and
the
safety
stuff
and
is
generally
compliant
with
bare
minimum
standards,
and
they
can't
do
a
site
visit
until
they
have
a
budget.
C
A
C
It
would
be
the
local,
the
local
level
department,
labor,
not
the
state,
and
I
couldn't
get
a
concrete
answer
from
them
about
what
exactly
they're
looking
for,
because
this
is
the
first
time
they've
ever
had
an
organization
like
osc.
C
I
don't
think
they
know
exactly
what
they're
looking
for,
and
you
know
I
to
me
it's
more
about
relationship
building
and
you
know
sort
of
just
seeing
it
for
themselves.
I.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
them
since
I
spoke
to
them
the
last
I
talked
it
was
october
12th,
so
you
know
it's
government
they're
going
to
shut
down
for
thanksgiving.
C
C
Here's
a
list
of
changes
you
need
to
make
right
and
then
marcia
has
to
decide
whether
or
not
it's
worth
pursuing
that
or
the
other
project
we
are
currently
working
on,
which
is
an
education
pathway,
which
I
can
also
give
an
update
on
separately,
the
best
possible
pathway,
correct
yeah.
So
what
do
you
think
department
of
labor
think
employment?
C
Education
is?
Is
students
just
like
it
sounds
two
different
agencies,
the
best
possible
scenarios
they
show
for
the
site
visit
and
they
say:
okay
great.
This
is
a
real
thing:
we're
ten
we're
approving
your
standards,
but
before
you
bring
any
apprentices
on,
you
need
to
call
us
so
that
we
can
go
over
the
all
the
boilerplate
legal
stuff
and
then
theoretically,
once
they
improve
the
standards.
C
We
can
then
go
through
the
va
and
get
the
gi
bill
certification,
although
that
is
also
you
know
not
without
risk,
because
the
va
is
going
to
look
at
the
department
of
labor's
database
and
if
they've
only
approved
our
standards,
then
it
may
not
be
real
enough
to
them.
Yet
that's
a
bruce
to
cross
in
the
future.
C
No,
no,
the
the
gi
bill,
I'm
talking
about
the
diago,
so
so
the
to
become
gi
bill
certified.
The
va
is
going
to
look
at
the
department
of
labor's
list
of
approved,
apprenticeships.
A
C
Yeah,
so
so,
essentially,
what
we've
done
with
the
apprenticeship
like
you're,
not
ready
to
bring
out
two-year
apprentices
and
pay
them
right
now
like
today,
and
so
what?
What
we've
done
is
say
we're
going
to
meet
this
list
of
requirements
before
we
bring
anybody
on
as
an
apprentice
and
that's
what
they're
approving.
A
B
E
B
Sorry,
just
to
just
to
re
reiterate,
so
you
said
the
apprenticeship
automatically
would
get
us
to
gi
bill.
Yes,
is
that
what
you
said
or
yeah.
F
C
Everything
I'm
going
to
tell
you
is
speculation,
but
it's
based
on
my
my
extensive
experience
working
with
the
government
they're
they
are
going
to
operate
under
the
constraint
of.
C
I
cannot
leave
my
office
unless
my
supervisor
tells
me
I
can,
and
that
includes
a
travel
form
with
the
amount
of
gallons
of
gas
that
I
burned
and
my
stipend
for
travel
and
scheduled
as
an
official
visit
as
part
of
so
I'm
not
saying
it's
impossible
to
have
that
conversation
with
tracy.
He
was
like
a
really
reasonable
dude.
C
F
Idea,
yeah,
the
other.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
put
out
there
is
that
I've
become
close
with
some
of
the
people
with
the
like.
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
that
document
march
in
the
final
proposal,
but
the
first
letter
of
support
is
from
the
state
of
missouri
economic
development
department,
so
we've
got
people
in
the
governor's
office
kind
of
like
I'm
talking
about
it.
F
Yeah,
there's
all
this
harpa
money
out
there.
American
rescue
plan
act.
We
just
applied
for
one,
that's
a
hundred
million
and
we
want
to
apply
for
another
one.
That's
you
know
five.
C
Is
is
there
something
specific
about
a
registered
apprenticeship
that
we
can't
like?
Can
we
can?
We
are
there
other
ways
to
to
pad
the
application,
because
more
like,
in
other
words,
marcin,
is
also
working
on
a
a
intermediary
course
that
we
could
potentially
have
employment
incorporated
just
wouldn't
meet
the
registered
apprenticeship
guidelines
so
like?
Are
we
constraining
ourselves
only
focusing
on
that
or
is
there
something
else
we
can
do.
D
F
The
way
I
introduced
him
to
the
unit
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
an
academic.
F
F
I
mean
that
would
be
my
the
other
route
or
we
could
just
call
them
an
independent
thing.
C
E
C
Well,
we
were
just
talking
about
how
this
could
this.
This
could
be
sold
as
a
waypoint
from
veterans
leaving
the
military
to
re-enter
missouri
the
missouri
economy
right
and
there
are.
There
are
transition
assistants,
there's
transition
assistance,
infrastructure
in
every
state
that
reports
the
va
and
there
there
may
be
some
way
to
figure
out
how
to
get
their
stamp
of
credibility,
even
if
it's
not
a
fully
registered
apprenticeship
as
well.
So
so
I
can.
I
can
investigate
that
as
well.
What
should
I
give
you?
The
education
update
as
well.
C
So
we
have
we've
taken
the
application
as
far
as
we
can
right
now,
we
have
to
do
is
develop
a
specific
program
for
the
first
course,
which
is
going
to
be
tentatively.
A
two-week
swarm,
build
of
the
cd
go
home
and
once.
C
A
crash
course
excuse
me
yeah
once
we
have
a
curriculum
outline
and
a
plan,
a
general
generalized
plan
for
that
we
submit
that
as
an
independent
program
under
the
osce
title
organizational
umbrella,
and
then
we
apply
for
exemption
under
non-vocational
status
and
then,
under
with
those
two
things
we
would
be
approved.
Osu
would
be
approved
as
a
proprietary
school
in
the
state
of
missouri.
A
C
When
we
dropped
the
application
to
their
decision
is
usually
about
30
days,
and
you
know
the
the
curriculum
is
something
that
marcie
and
I
are
just
getting
started
on
now.
E
F
C
It
means
that
martian
is
not
endowing
the
students
with
an
industry-recognized
credential,
so
if
he
wanted
to
teach
people
welding,
he
would
have
to
meet
the
same
standards
as
every
other
welding
school
in
missouri
non-vocational
status
means
he
can
teach
basket
weaving
and
all
that
does
for
the
department
of
education.
Is
it
signals
that
he's
not
putting
people
back
into
the
economy
that
have
the
same
title
or
credential
that
other
people
have
that
didn't
meet
the
standard
or
who
don't
meet
the
same
standard?
C
It's
not
a
guaranteed
exemption,
but
you
know,
given
the
depth
of
the
curriculum
that
we're
going
to
develop.
I
don't
think
it'll
be
be
a
stretch.
C
So
it
really
does
two
things.
The
first
is:
it
starts
the
clock
for
osce
to
eventually
become
a
gi
bill
approved
educational
facility.
The
va
requires
two
years
of
operation
or
a
like
waiver
from
some.
I
forgot
who,
but
somebody
high
up
in
the
department
of
education
to
say,
like
they
don't
need
to
exist
for
two
years.
They've
proven
themselves
enough.
C
E
C
I've
seen
it,
I
forwarded
it
to
you,
I'm
sure
you
didn't
have
time
to
read
it,
but
it's
it's
like
a
three-page
document
saying
check
the
box
for
the
waiver
you're
applying
for.
B
The
waiver
that
says,
okay,
we're
actually
getting
waved
in
as
that
that
qual
qualifies
as
being
this
education,
like
non-vocation
or
education,.
D
C
C
Yeah,
but
I
think
so
I
mean,
from
my
perspective,
for
the
department
of
labor
and
department
education.
The
hold
up
the
the
the
sand
in
the
gears
right
now
is
osce.
Is
such
a
ambitious
unconventional
organization
and
they're
used
to
handling
applications
from
beautician
schools
and
phlebotomy
schools,
and
you
know
welding
courses,
and
so
when
I
show
up
to
the
department
of
labor-
and
I
say,
check
out
their
wikipedia
page
and
here
are
all
the
links
to
the
3d
printers
that
they're
going
to
build.
E
F
B
Yeah
what's
to
be
said
about
once
again,
here's
a
standard
thing
like
welding
and
going
through
the
motions
on
that
which
we
still
could
do
and
provide
meaningful
skills
and
and
that's
within
our
what
we
do
already
right.
So
why
not
set
up
a
standard?
Well-Recognized
thing?
That's
that's
low
hanging
fruit
because
it's
well
defined
and
we
can
pretty
much
canon
clone
it
set
up
the
capacity
here
and
therefore
we
start
the
clock.
B
C
My
only
hesitation
with
that
is
the
fastest
route
involves
getting
somebody
with
the
right
credentials,
and
you
know
experience
teaching
welding
to
actually
vet
the
standards
that
we
submit
to
the
department
of
education
and
for
you
for
you
to
do
the
leg
work
to
make
sure
you
have
the
like
equipment
and
procedures
and
manpower
and
all
those
other.
B
C
B
C
I
I
they're
several
months
they're,
definitely
longer
than
the
the
crash
build
course
that
we're
looking
at.
B
B
So
it's
like
I'm
wondering
how
much
of
a
cry
is
it
to
actually
meet
the
requirements
while
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
already
sure,
because,
for
example,
it's
like
okay,
you
need
100
hours
of
practice.
Well,
you
better
believe
we're
going
to
get
a
bunch
of
practice
here,
because
we
do
people
do
it
all
day
when
we
do
the
tractor
build.
So
I'm
just
curious
if
there's
some
something
we're
missing
there,
that's
actually
readily
executable.
C
It
definitely
might
be.
I
mean
one
of
the
first
things
I
did
was
build
the
database
of
trade
skills
when
we
were
first
playing
around
with
curriculum
development,
yeah.
A
C
Welding
curriculum
in
there
from
canada,
which
has
like
much
higher
standards,
but
it
would,
if
I
recall
it
was
it
was
like
a
year
long,
but
no
I
mean
yeah.
We
should.
We
should
look
at.
You
know
other
welding
schools
in
missouri,
preferably
ones
that
are
close
by
and
see
if
you
can
meet
their
understanding.
A
C
B
Well,
but
maybe
we
turn
that
into
that
game,
which
is
we're
open
sourcing,
critical
infrastructures
of
society,
part
of
that
is,
educational
infrastructures,
that
kind
of
stuff
we
do
for
a
living.
So
maybe
that's
and
now,
once
we
part
of
the
block
may
be
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
the
access
to
all
this,
because
this
is
all
hidden.
C
F
C
A
F
C
I
I
sent
him
an
email
today,
so
you
know,
let
me
see
if
he
responds
I'll,
definitely
bring
it
up.
F
Okay
and
next
time
I,
if
there's
something
I
could
forward
on
to
the
ded
folks,
then
I
could
ping
them
about.
Maybe
they
know
people-
and
I
guess
dd-
is
department
of
economic
development.
F
I'm
talking
to
them
about,
I
mean
particularly
about
you
know
I
I
I've
been
talking
to
him
several
times
and
they're.
They
wrote
a
letter
of
support
around
a
grant
related
to
and
then
that
oc
is
osc
is
in.
B
But
what
I
mean,
what
pool
or
like
what?
What
can
they
provide?
That's
that's
in
the
pathway
for
getting
that.
C
C
But
you
know,
another
core
challenge
here
is
the
road
to
execution
is
going
to
require
marginal,
build
capacity,
and
so
like
it's
to
me,
I'm
hearing
chicken
or
the
egg
like
we're,
we're
going
to
have
to
get
some
grant
money
to
put
all
these
big
plans
into
action
in
terms
of
like
hiring
the
instructors
and
sources
of
material
or
whatever,
and
so
in
my
honor.
Am
I
understanding
correctly
that
they
don't
need
us
to
be
operating
at
full
capacity
to
to
be
awarded
grant
money?
They
just
need
to
know
that
we
have
a
plan.
F
C
C
F
A
F
By
5
p.m,
and
we'll
we'll
show
him
we'll
show
him
open.
Source,
ecology
and
they'll
be
he'll,
be
a
part
of
the
future.
Okay.
B
D
F
A
lot
happening
around
like
in
my
footprint
in
the
blue
river
valley,
where
we've
been
working
with
the
edc,
the
economic
development
corporation
of
kansas
city
and
the
ida,
the
people
who
did
the
bonds
for
the
new
airport
around
how
to
create
how
to
revive
this
industrial
area.
That
sort
of
it
used
to
be
where
ford's
motor
company
had
its
second
factory
gm
bendix,
a
lot
of
them
kind
of
boomed
and
busted
and
there's
a
huge
black
and
brown.
F
You
know
neighborhoods
eight
neighborhoods
that
are
used
to
be
employed
there
and
the
river
itself
was
like
this
pristine,
affordable,
nature-loving
destination,
and
so
we're
we're
basically
regenerating
that
area
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening.
There's
a
new
port
going
in
that's
like
gonna
make
kansas
city
like
a
major
marine
transport
logistics
center.
C
F
F
F
I
think,
with
with
martin
what
my
goal
is.
I
I
think
the
education
side
of
his
business
is
really
strong.
I
think
that's
like
I'm
pretty
sure
that
he'll
become
an
apprenticeship
of
the
department
of
labor.
It
may,
I
think,
it'll
happen
sooner,
but
if
it,
if
it
doesn't
happen
like
this
year,
will
happen,
the
education
side
will
grow,
but
I'm
really
interested
in
the
products
themselves.
F
We
need
product
managers
for
every
single
product,
we
need
to
create
the
right
lighting
and
the
right
photos
and
we
need
to
get
a
e-commerce
site
and
we
gotta
sell
enough
of
these
items
to
make
sure
that
the
people
going
through
these
trainings
have
clients
and
ultimately,
we
could
come
up
with
a
structure
around
a
factory
if
we're
selling
enough
of
these
things
and
we
have
to
make
a
factory
and
then
we
can
do
the
first
factory
in
kansas
city.
That
would
be
amazing.
B
Yes,
I
mean
first
factory
here
we'll
build
the
production
facility
for
the
cdc
homes
and
that
could
be
transplanted
or
replicated
like
you
can
think
of
what
we
build
here
is
the
prototype,
maybe
do
it
in
kansas
city,
but
when
I
see
it
like
okay
say
we're
going
to
be
solving
housing
in
kansas
city.
Well,
you
got
to
put
in
that
micro
factory
in
the
local
community
and
employ
local
people.
F
F
That's
the
thing
is
that
these
products
need
to
be.
You
know
you
need
the
product
pages
and
all
the
benefits
and
you
got
to
sell
just
like
any
other
house.
You
know
any
other
tractor.
It's
got
to
have
all
those
features
and
videos
and
photos,
and
that
website
and
I
think,
that's
a
whole
nother.
That's
why
we
called
every
single
one
of
those
categories:
a
micro
cluster,
because
inside
open
source
manufacturing,
there's
like
a
whole
ecosystem
of
businesses
that
need
to
come
to
life
and
entrepreneurship
is
really.
F
F
C
And
they're
out
there
I
mean,
I
don't
know
if
marcin's
told
you
but
we've
already.
I've
already
had
a
veteran
I've
started
relationship
who
is
just
waiting
to
graduate
college
so
that
he
can
move
out
to
missouri
and
work
on
site.
He's
got
an
incredible
story
too.
I
mean
like
he
started
his
own
nonprofit.
It
was
basically
pimp
my
ride,
but
for
victims
of
bullying,
so
he
would
like
take
local
kids
in
their
bands
and
like
renovate
them
for
him.
He
was
featured
on
ellen
allen's.
Show
I
don't
know
like.
C
Yeah,
very
very
I
mean
I,
I
see
what
I'm
doing
with
the
department
of
labor
somewhat
subversive,
because
I'm
using
their
terminology
and
language
kind
of
against
them,
like
they
they're
they're,
asking
us
to
fit
into
this
box
of
apprentice
where
you
become
an
electrician,
you're
a
certified
electrician.
That's
all
you
do
here's
your
certificate
and
what
we're
saying
is
like
yeah.
We
meet
all
those
criteria
plus
a
bunch
of
other
stuff.
So
just
look
at
this.
C
F
Tracy,
you
know
happy
to
meet
for
coffee
or
take
and
take
her
or
him
down.
I
think
you're
making
progress
I'll
if
there's
somewhere.
If
there's
something
I
can
do
with
the
ded.
F
F
It's
like
trojan
horses,
yeah.
F
I
I
had
the
edc
did
a
presentation,
I
think
on
tuesday,
and
they
had
the
four
things
I
said,
and
it
said
financial
innovation,
circular
economy,
open
source
in
front
all
these
like
city
people-
and
I
was
like
yes.
F
D
F
Hopefully
we'll,
oh,
maybe
we
could
have
another
session
when
we're
putting
together
this
good
jobs
grant
we
could
just.
I
could
kind
of
okay,
here's
what
I'm
thinking
you
know.
Maybe
y'all
could
give
me
feedback
or
something
yeah.
F
C
Yeah,
if
it's
the
same
organization,
I'm
thinking
of
it,
was
an
option
for
like
a
summer
internship
in
grad
school,
where,
like
you
get
paired
with
the
company
and
their
sustainability
department,.
F
F
People
work
on
green
infrastructure,
regenerative
ag,
sort
of
wetland
and
water,
you
know
quality
restoration,
stuff
and
then
they
could
graduate
into.
If
they
can
do
that
stuff,
then
they
you
know
they
could
graduate
into
more.
You
know
these
deeper
frontier
areas
like
open,
manufacturing
or,
but
I
learned
about
a
new
model
today
in
south
africa,
and
I
mean
we
might
be
able
to
just
pay
people.
I
mean
with
all
this
money
we
might
be
able
to
just
create
our
own
financing
structure
and
and
finance
people
through
our
program.
A
B
Oh
you're
saying
with
his
grandparent,
or
I
was
saying
just
even
independently
of
that
and
a
financial
innovation,
an
investment
structure
for
it.
So
I
started
talking
about
a
four-year
college
level
type
of
program
which
is
now,
I
think,
okay,
if
I
want
to
capture
what
I
know
about
how
to
design
and
build
anything
how
to
collaborate
and
how
to
change
the
world,
you
need
a
little
bit
of
training,
but
then
how
do
you
fund
people
going
through
that
kind
of
program?
You
know
long
term.
B
It
might
be
gi
bill,
stuff,
yeah,
absolutely,
but
now
in
the
meantime,
how
do
you
do
it
right
now?
I
would
say:
financial
innovation
could
be
one
way
where,
if
we're
actually
promising,
these
are
products
that
get
developed,
invest
in
it,
you
know.
So
how
do
you
structure
the
incentives
and
something
like
a
dao
yeah
that
people
are
able
to
pay
into?
B
C
B
John
tell
me
more
to
what
level
can
this
provide
revenue
or
students,
because
when
I
think
students,
students
are
people
who
are
learning
and
applied
in
applied
learning,
they're,
actually
contributing,
also
work
to
to
actual
open
collaborative
development?
What
do
you
see
as
the
limits
to
that
or
opportunities
and
limits.
F
C
For
for
labor,
you
have
to
structure
your
wages
around
you,
so
you
set
what
you
consider
a
journeyman's
wage
journeyman
is
just
a
fully
qualified
apprentice.
Somebody
who's
completed
the
whole
program.
So
if
you
would
pay
a
fully
qualified
apprentice
30
bucks
day,
one
they
have
to
earn
at
least
15
an
hour,
so
you're
not
allowed
to
pay
them
less
than
50
of
what
you
would
pay
a
fully
qualified
person
worker.
C
So
that's
dave,
that's
that's
your
starting
wage!
Your
ending
wage
is
considered
the
journeyman's
apprentice
and
then
there
just
has
to
be
some
increase
periodically
between
day
one
when
they
graduate
and
what
the
gi
bill
does.
Is
it
says
if
you
pay
them
50
of
the
fully
qualified
wage
on
day
one
the
gi
bill
is
going
to
cover
roughly
the
remainder
through
something
called
a
housing
allowance
that
is
specific
to
the
zip
code
and
in
maysville
it's
like
12
or
1300
a
month
on
top
of
the
wages
that
they
make.
C
C
Yeah
so
in
education,
the
va
pays
osce
directly
and
they
also
pay
the
student,
the
same
monthly
housing
allowance
of
twelve
thirteen
hundred
dollars
a
year.
F
E
C
Like
vocational
training,
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
if
the
limiting
factor
is
going
to
be
whether
or
not
the
department
of
education
reads
through
the
curriculum
and
says
like
yep
that
meets
our
standards
for
entrepreneurship,
credentialing,
whatever
that
is
and
and
and
that
is
way
up
in
the
air.
I
have
no
idea,
you
know,
especially
especially
for
proprietary
schools,
to
be
teaching
entrepreneurship.
C
C
Sure
same
thing
I
mean
I,
I
think
anything
is
possible,
but
curriculum
development
and
or
developing
the
program
and
packaging
it
as
part
of
the
application
itself
is
going
to
be
require
manpower
and
martian,
brain
and
limited
resources.
And
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
strategic
about
where
we
focus
our
attention.
F
E
F
The
easiest
would
be
to
get
grant
money
so
that
it's
the
most
flexible
and
even
a
revolving
loan
fund,
which
is
what
I
okay.
So
if
we
get
this
grant
there's
two
phases.
The
first
phase
is
by
december,
we'll
find
out
if
we
got
five
hundred
thousand
in
phase
two,
it's
already
like
early
next
year,
where
we
have
to
reapply,
and
that
goes,
it
jumps
all
the
way
from
500
000
to
25
to
100
million.
F
So
you
really,
you
had
to
think
through.
How
would
you
spend
100
million,
and
in
that
situation
I
gave
each
one
of
the
micro
clusters
access
to
financial
instruments.
One
was
micro
grants.
The
second
was
a
revolving
loan
fund.
F
Third
was
like
market
demand,
purchase
agreement,
pre-purchase
agreements,
and
the
fourth
is
something
I
can't
remember,
but
so
to
me.
I
think
that.
F
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
a.
I
could
create
a
whole
list
of
financial
instruments
that
we
could
think
about.
I
mean
there's
peer-to-peer,
there's
just
pure
philanthropy,
there's
getting
a
few.
I
mean.
How
would
you
I
imagine
if
we
got
umkc
then
or
like
a
university
or
mcc,
the
advantage
of
them
is
financial
aid
and,
like
then,
you
access,
like,
I
don't
know
the
exact
term,
but
there's
certain
college
loans,
like
you,
get
a
college
loan
for
a
stupid
business
degree
that
doesn't
help
you
in
2021.
F
I
would
take
it
to
go
to
osce,
but
we
would
have
to
also
invest
in
your
infrastructure,
so
you
would
have
to,
and
so
I
also
wouldn't
rule
out
what
you
said
earlier
about
dowels
and
I
just
think
it's
a
little
harder
and
you
know,
but
who
knows
maybe
there's
a
lot
of
crypto
whales
that
that
you
know
or
that
we
could
talk
to
I
mean
that
would
be
into
this
kind
of
thing
I
mean.
Maybe
somebody
will
just
say:
hey,
send
me
your
wallet
and
we
will.
F
F
Or
you
know
have
loans,
you
know
where
it's
like
an
actual
debt,
but
general
assembly
did
something
around
that.
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
general
assembly.
C
The
the
loan
route
is
before
we
met.
Today
I
was
thinking
of
kiva.org.
I
was
just
going
to
apply
for
a
zero
interest.
15
000
loan
to
cover,
like
two
weeks
of
wages,
for
a
couple
veterans
to
show
up
and
you
know,
participate,
and
that
was
under
the
assumption
that
you
would
sell
the
house
of
3d
prints
or
whatever,
as
the
thing
to
pay
back
the
loan,
but
that's
small
scale,
that's
small
potatoes
compared
to
what
you're
talking
about,
but
the
principal's
the
same
like
if
you
build
the
program.
C
B
E
B
B
B
C
Yeah,
okay,
I
see
general
assembly
yeah
this
gi
bill
thing,
so
so
what
what
they
did
is
they
got
certified
as
an
educational
institution
and
then
got
the
va
to
sign
off
on
the
gi
bill
and-
and
I
don't
know
anything
about
general
assembly-
the
company,
but
is
all
they
do.
Teach
coding
or
yeah
looks
like
it
or
it's
like
an
instruction
or
a
school.
B
F
So
they
do,
I
mean
that
that's
a
question
for
marcin
is
like.
I
would
just
ask
you
like:
this
is
how
they
find
their
theirs
they're
a
comparable
school.
E
B
C
B
C
I
was
just
saying
that
in
the
short
term
we're
talking
about
two
week,
you
know
extreme
build
events
right
so
like
the
revenue
is
going
to
come
from
the
product
that
you
sell.
At
the
end
of
that.
B
B
B
In
rare
situations
where
the
codes
don't
get
in
the
way
with
inspection
schedules,
that's
a
challenge
to
solve
two
challenges.
Are
people
showing
up
two
codes?
Inspection
schedule
allows
you
to
do
it
in
two
weeks
because
we
can
build
in
two
weeks,
but
we
may
not
be
able
to
get
inspected
and
build
in
in
two
weeks.
F
D
F
We
would
go
pay
a
firm
to
build
you,
an
e-commerce
site
and
just
take
all
the
pictures,
and
it
would
be
like
kits,
you
know,
get
your
kit
and
it
would
be
a
fancy
little
name
and
everything
would
be
really
nicely
designed
and
you
would
get
inbound
sales
and
anyways.
I've
been
saying
this
since
I
met
you.
B
F
B
We
can
do
that
right
now
for
the
printer
for
the
tractor
for
the
house.
I
mean
we
yeah
to
get
assistance
on
that,
but
it
requires
pretty
decent
if
there's
product
development
like
right
now,
the
last
mile
of
the
house
is
some
product
development.
B
I
think
it'll
be
easiest
for
the
3d
printer
or
say
brick
press
which
are
already
developed
to
product
state,
so
yeah,
but
you
have
to
be
careful,
yeah,
be
careful
exactly
whether
you're
product
ready
enough
and
if,
if
you
need
to
do
some
product
development,
then
a
budget
for
that
which
would
require
qualified
people
to
do
that.
Because
of
the
way
we
design,
we
don't
just
design
any
trash.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
different
properties
that
go
into
it,
which,
which
is
very
challenging
for
a
lot
of
people,
because
we're
designing
a
whole
ecology
into
the
ecology
of
properties
into
what
we
do
like.
For
example,
we
can't
just
hire
an
architect
or
some
designer
to
design
the
house
for
us.
We
find
me
one
that
can
do
all
the
properties
that
we
need
in
a
system.
F
Well,
it'll
happen
it,
but
it's
an
ecosystem.
You
know
like
the
more
somehow
we
have
to
create
a
pull
function
for
a
bunch
of
businesses
to
get
started
and
the
only
way
that
I
could
think
about
it.
In
the
position
I
mean
we
could
screen,
we
could
scrape
together
a
e-commerce
site,
and
just
I
mean
we
could
do
that
in
the
next
few
months,
but
I
just
feel
like
it
needs.
F
Plus,
we
should
be
recording
everything
that
you're
doing
for
instructional
videos
and
I'm
putting
that
in
the
budgets.
So
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
time.
D
C
A
F
Really
because
I
could
use
some,
I
could
use
some
video
support.
Yeah
we're
gonna
get
some
recordings
of
bob.
You
know
because
he's
in
his
80s-
and
we
need
to
do
that.
This.
F
F
C
F
And
you
know
the
right
person
will
get
us
through
and
stamp
it,
and
you
know
hearing
about
the
the
two
programs
it
seems
like
the
department
of
education
is
much
more
amenable
to
our
this.
The
current
stage
we're
at
you
know.
C
C
Do
a
project
he's
already
familiar
with
and
get
some
number
of
people
to
show
up
in
person
again
so
that
we
can
market
it
and
repackage
it
and
iterate
until
we
build
up
to
a
two
four
year
program
and
I'm
getting
the
sense
from
you
that
building
stuff
on
paper
is
actually
really
valuable
and
if
we
build
it,
we
potentially
much
more
money
could
come
and
accelerate
this
process.
C
B
F
Well,
here's
the
thing
is
you
you're,
basically
responding
to?
Let's
call
it
an
rfp
which
is
the
unique
type
of
system
of
the
apprenticeship
and
you've
done
analysis
of
the
vocational
non-vocational
business,
and
you
know
the
the
welding
and
you
said,
here's
the
way
that
we're
gonna
go,
I'm
doing
that
for
grants
and
if
you
know,
if,
if
I
see
an
opportunity
to
write
a
grant
that
you
know
it's
not
gonna
mine's
gonna
look
a
lot
different.
F
I
think,
and
I
haven't
gotten
into
the
new
one
deep
enough
to
to
be
able
to
really
give
you
direction,
and
I
just
think
there's
so
many
ways
that
this
thing
is
gonna.
C
F
B
A
F
F
We
need
this
other
sister
organization,
that's
going
to
sell
this
stuff
like,
and
if
we
wanted
to
get
on
the
phone
with
a
bunch
of
e-commerce
people,
we
could
do
that.
I
feel,
like
that's
the
other
route.
You
know,
there's
grants,
there's
you
know
money
for
education
and
financing
and
loans,
but
the
other
whole
business
that
we
haven't
really
started
yet
is
really
selling
these
products
like
you're
selling
them,
because
people
find
you
and
it's
cool
and
it's
kind
of
like,
but
this
is
a,
as
you
say,
a
billion
dollar
industry
and
we're.
F
I
think
that
we
need
at
least
200k
to
like
do
it
right
to
really
get
out
there.
So.
C
Let
me
just
rephrase
that
I
I'm
operating
under
the
assumption
that
this
whole
thing
is
going
to
be
bootstrapped,
and
so
all
of
the
plans
and
things
I'm
probably
marching
out
with
are
to
get
him
from
today
to
the
next
step
to
get
something
in
the
bank.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
still
a
valuable
process
and
that
I
shouldn't
be
focusing
more
on
bigger
fish.
F
F
I
think
we
should
do
it
all
and
just
hopefully
that's
not.
I
think
that
we're
dividing
and
it
up
and
but
if
you
want
to
do
grants
like
if
you
find
a
grant,
you
want
to
do
it.
I
will
help
you
and
we
can
lean
in
and
do
a
sprint
on
it.
I
mean
we
hired
a
grant
writer,
so
you
know
she.
She
wants
me
to
get
an
mou
with
osc
and
I
have
that
drafted
and
my
legal,
my
fiscal
sponsor's,
been
holding
it
up.
F
So
I
I
did
that
I
did
that
mou
like
feels
like
a
year
ago,
six
months
ago,
almost
and
I
still
haven't,
but
it's
okay.
I
mean
we're
already
collaborating
in
a
deep
way
and
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
like
they're
all
like
we're
worried
about
your
ip
I'm
like
it's
open
source
like
it's,
it's
all
open
source.
You
know,
so
I
think.
C
F
F
A
F
F
I
guess
I
just
I
mean
ideally
we
would
have
we
would
we
would
almost
we'd
be
like
an
agile
we'd,
get
all
the
benefits,
but
we'd
still
be
able
to
be
lean
and
agile.
F
And
he
here
here
it's
all
about
risk
ultimately,
and
the
reason
why
I
bring
up
the
products
is,
if
I,
if
we
had
a
whole
company
and
a
team
that
were
selling
these
products-
and
we
could
say,
we
sold,
we
fully
employed
or
we
had
our.
Let's
say
our
our
independent
contractors,
because
we're
unjobbing
so
everybody's
their
own
boss,
but
we've
organizing
in
ways
where
we've
swarmed
and
we've
built.
B
Hold
on
a
second
though,
but
also
recognize
that
yes,
products
but,
like
I
think
jonathan
john's
work,
super
relevant
on
a
crash
course,
because
that
is
the
product
that
relates
directly
to
the
house,
which
we
think
is
our
main
product
right
now
as
the
big
cash
crew,
because
otherwise
you're
saying
we're
going
to
diversify
or
like
do
multiple
products
at
a
time.
But
it's
like
we
said:
okay,
one
product:
this
is
it.
This
is
a
big
one.
It's
a
very
important
number
one
cost
in
people's
lives.
B
So
I
think
that
what
you're
saying
maybe
like
in
terms
of
rollout
and
sequencing
that
all
that
productization
work
website
marketing
site
that
falls
out
directly
from
the
crash
course
to
house.
I
believe.
B
E
F
We
can
add
in
some
layers
support
through
and
really,
let's
just
call
the
department
of
labor
and
education
as
another
financing
structure.
It's
ultimately
what
it
is,
but
in
order
for
us
to
really
prove
our
model,
we
have
to
sell
the
products
because
yeah.
A
F
Right
well,
and-
and
we
can
still
do
that-
I
mean
I
I'm
I'm
still
looking
at
land-
I'm
not.
I
know
that
the
lot
that
I
found
didn't
work
out.
I
never
understood
how
you
found
out
that
information.
F
B
F
B
Well,
there's
no
shortcut
to
just
making
all
calls
or
look
at
the
websites,
email,
the
building
department
and
all
that
just
a
bunch
of
stuff
back
and
forth.
F
B
B
F
D
F
B
Yeah,
as
far
as
our
timing,
I
mean
we're.
You
know
as
soon
as
we
finish
this
house
and
all
that,
like
yeah
snapping
up
a
lot
is
still
still
a
high
priority
here.
That's
that
needs
to
happen
because
we
prove
it
by
showing
that
we
can
build
and
sell
a
house
whether
it's
a
client
or
no
client.
But
according
to
steve
he's
saying
to
me,
you
have
to
be
able
to
do
it
where
it's
spec,
where
you
take
all
the
risk
and
then
show
that
model
and
that
model.
D
B
F
B
Well,
actually
so
to
integrate
all
of
them
as
an
ecology
is
the
ultimate
goal
because
imagine
getting
the
apprentices
they're
building
real
houses
you're,
also
including
the
crash
course
in
it,
for
people
from
the
outside,
just
regular
people
off
the
street,
just
trying
to
mix
the
education
and
production
in
as
many
ways
as
possible.
The
three
segments
that
we
already
tap
one
is
the
the
extreme
manufacturing
crash
courses.
Two
would
be
now.
Education,
three
would
be
a
real
client,
those
three
like
if
you
can
nail
that
that's
what
we
like
to
do.
B
F
D
F
B
D
F
B
D
F
I
think
that
I
mean
I
I
wouldn't
feel
confident
building
a
factory
until
we
us
we're
we're
getting
a
certain
amount
of
sales
through
in
kits
through
an
online
site.
So
I'm
really.
I
really
want
to
see
that
happen,
because
it
improves
everything,
your
positioning,
because
then
you
can
start
saying
that
100
of
people
who
go
through
my
program
are
being
paid.
F
You
can
select
things
online
like
we,
we
could
be
servicing
on
your
on
your
farm.
We
could
be
servicing
a
online
site,
pretty
we
could
be
breaking
at
the
seams
and
it
could
be
completely
obvious
that
we
are
backlogged
and
back
and
ordered,
and
that's
where
I
would
want
to
be.
When
I'm
talking
to
someone
about
buying
some,
you
know
one
of
these
major
industrial,
releasing
it
out.
F
F
F
So
that's
why
I
think
we
need
200k,
you
know,
or
you
know,
because
it
needs
like
a
for.
We
could
just
hire
a
firm
and
they
could
do
all
that
for
us
and
we
would.
We
could
have
hire
a
leader
of
that
particular
group
and
that
you
trust
the
other
element
that
we
didn't
mention
is
the
media.
F
F
F
I
don't
know
so.
A
F
F
You've
built
an
education
model.
I
feel
like
that's
the
strongest
thing
I
think,
from
a
product
side.
I
think
it's
hard
for
people
to
buy
things
from
you.
It
should
be
extremely
easy,
like
one
click
or
something,
but
it's
just
it's
that
that
website
was
not
designed
to
sell
things.
It
was
designed
to
educate
the
world
about
your
your
your
expertise,
anyways,
I'm
gonna
get
media
funding,
you
know.
If
you
wanted
to,
you
could
do
a
reality.
Show
that
could
be
a
another
fast
track.
D
B
For
reality
shows
yeah,
we
had
several
came
across.
That's
what
it's
like
now.
I
think
that's
a
good
strategy
right
now.
F
F
I
mean
he's
not
a
martian,
but
he
you
know
he.
He
had
good
intentions,
probably.
F
E
D
E
D
C
There's
your
there's
your
announcement,
your.
F
F
F
One
is
the
blue
river
valley,
which
is
this
it's
sort
of
the
microcosm
of
all
the
world's
issues
of
the
economic
boom
and
bust.
You
know
you
had.
F
F
F
A
C
I'm
really
sorry
guys.
Do
you
want
to
check
out
my
daughter,
real,
quick.
A
F
F
B
People
that
actually
there's
all
this
stuff
that
we're
talking
about
what
about
just
actually
people
who
are
developing
like
here's,
the
assets
for
the
documentation,
the
design
economic
models
like
regarding
the
core
development
of
the
cdca
home
part,
which
is
what
we
tried
to
do
in
the
apprenticeship
and
part
of
summer
x,
any
ideas
and
where
that
actually
comes
from
like
how
did
in
general.
B
F
Oh,
so
is
I
thought
you
were
going
with.
This
is
around
financing
for
students,
but
what
are
you
asking
for
now?
Yeah.
B
Well,
financing
for
students
is
one
thread.
The
other
threat
is
product
you're
talking
about
product,
but
yes,
going
directly
to
the
product.
There's
on
one
side,
you
talk
about
marketing,
but
the
product,
the
development
part.
B
That's
the
thing
that
is
very
hard
to
get
people
to
show
up
for
and
say
john's,
showing
up
to
we're
actually
developing
the
product
of
the
the
builder
crash
course.
So
I
guess
the
relevant
question
would
be.
How
do
we
find
more
people,
like
john,
that
nature
people
are
actually
contributing
to
the
product
like
the
mvp
and
the
commercial
aspects
that
fall
out.
B
Because
that's
really
what
we're
still
trying
to
solve
and
steve
said:
hey
you
build
that
house,
you
you
show
the
economic
model,
then
then
you've
solved
it
and
you'll
be
able
to
pay
for
talent
or
attract
it.
We
will
sneak
that
in
through
the
back
door
like
by
economic
means,
there's
here's
the
economics,
here's
greed
or
self-interest
greed,
or
just
the
fact
that
you
can
make
a
living
or
financial
independence
and
that
through
that
we
can
slip
in
all
the
other,
open
source,
ecology
aspects
once
again
smuggle
them
in,
because
pimping,
ain't,
easy.
F
I
just
we
got
to
hire
that
kind
of
talent.
You
either
need
to
find
an
entrepreneur
who's
willing
to
lean
in
and
you
give
them.
B
F
B
Possibly
possibly
but
know
this
if
we
higher
than
talon
that
talent,
I
believe
we
have
failed
at
that
which
we're
trying
to
prove-
and
that
is
the
collaboration
part,
the
economic
collaboration
in
open.
So
it's
like
the
world
is
at
the
this
unique
place
where
that
just
does
not
take
place
along
the
notions
of
open
source
ecology,
it's
not
there.
Yet
you
know
so
so
yeah
we
can.
You
know
we
get.
F
F
B
Confusing,
it's
really
a
call
for
investing
investing
their
time
into
solving
pressing
world
issues.
That's
a
very
vague
thing
and
it's
very
hard
to
explain.
So
no,
that's
too
that's
too,
too
visionary
to
too
much
into
this
exploratory
territory.
We
need
that's
the
challenge,
but
I
think
there
still
is
a
solution
to
that
challenge,
but
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
I
mean
I
guess.
E
F
I
think
there's
plenty
of
people
that
don't
want
to
be
an
entrepreneur
and
they
just
want
to
do
they
want
to
do
the
innovative
stuff
and
they
want
to
work
with
you,
and
I
think
it's
totally
fine.
If
you
have
a
staff
of
100
people
working
to
advance
open
source
manufacturing
in
every
city
in
the
world,
I
mean
you
need
that
level
of.
F
I
have
been
working
on
finding
the
right
kind
of
finance
partner.
B
F
F
F
F
E
F
F
B
Ideally,
it
would
be
an
offer
to
so
you
can
run
this
business
because
we're
developing
a
distributive
enterprise,
but
that's
a
very
hard
sell,
because
that
means
you
actually
have
to
do
the
work
and
investors
don't
want
to
do
any
work,
but
that
would
be
the
the
next
economy.
That's
that's
the
thing
you
have
access
when
you
equalize
the
playing
field
and
you
have
the
access
to
doing
things
not
by
legacy
by
your
your
initiative.
A
B
And
play
I
got
to
think
about
the
dow
route.
Basically,
a
contract
like
self-enforcing
ways
that
there
are
incentives
that
are
monetizable
in
some
way.
It's,
I
think,
there's
something
there,
because,
because
the
dao
is
like
it's
a
structure
where
here's
a
product,
you
don't
have.
F
Okay,
so
it
happens
a
lot
on
or
lately
on,
these
crypto,
with
with
ethereum
people,
use
it
for
community
tokens
or
like
even
access
through
nfts,
like
let's
say
that
everyone
had
a
osc
token.
Well,
if
you
had
an
osce
token,
you
could.
That
could
be
the
only
thing
that
you
need
in
order
to
get
on
the
wiki.
A
F
F
B
D
F
B
While
not
eliminating
true
open
access,
because
somebody
who
wants
to
spend
the
time
they
can
actually
find
all
that
info,
it's
all
there
only
that
that
number
of
people
that
have
the
time
or
initiative
or
or
fire
in
our
pants
to
do
it
is
very
small
people
want
processed
product
yeah.
You
could
charge
for
that.
D
F
F
D
F
F
F
B
Date,
have
you
heard
me
talk
about
2008.
E
B
No
well
2008
is
a
10-year
mark
from
1998
when,
when
I
know
19
2008,
when
I
said
to
myself,
whatever
we've
got
at
that
time
in
terms
of
open
source
know-how,
that's
it
we
gotta
move
on
to
applications
and
the
next
step,
because
I
ain't
doing
this
stuff
forever.
B
B
B
My
brain's
going
dead
2028
is
when
osc
transitioned
to
actual
applications
so
away
from
okay.
What
we
developed
for
open,
collaborative
development
of
technology
to
open
source,
the
techno
sphere
and
the
economy,
that's
what
we
got.
You
got
to
move
on
to
applications.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
timeline
at
this
point.
B
Entrepreneurial
development-
the
idea
is
still
like
about
the
multiple
points
of
light
in
these
campuses
that
we
train
people
for
so
like.
If
there's
a
right
now,
I
believe
it's
a
four-year
minimum
for
somebody
to
learn
the
way
of
open-source
ecology.
How
do
you
collaboratively
design
how
you
design
and
build
anything?
How
do
you
collaborate?
How
do
you
solve
start
solving
pressing
world
issues
four-year
program?
That's
what
we
need
at
this
point.
So
the
timeline
is
like
wow.
B
We
could
actually
have
some
people
that
actually
know
that
pattern
by
2008.,
but
whatever
happens,
20
28.,
I
move
on
2028
sorry,
gotta,
move
on.
E
D
B
D
F
F
B
Yeah
I
mean
some
of
their
stuff
verges
close
on
kind
of
stuff.
We
do
like
applied
teaching
they're
quite
applied,
they're
not
applied
as
we
are
in
the
same
sense
of
building
things,
but
yeah
they've
got
a
lot
of
substance
substance
there.
That's
the
background.
A
lot
of
background
knowledge.
F
Like
the
income
share
agreement,
or
if
we
could
do
one
of
these,
like
peer-to-peer
platforms,
you
could.
E
E
F
E
A
F
Let's
see
what
we
can
drum
up
with
the
I
mean
it's
good
to
know
that
not
to
put
all
the
eggs
in
the
gi
basket,
but
it's
good
to
know
kind
of
what
they
do
and
the
context
of
them.
As
a
financial,
I
mean
it
was
interesting,
even
in
the
general
assembly,
it's
in
their
financing
handbook
is
where
you
find
it
so
like
the
bigger.
F
Is
financing
for
students
right
right?
I
will
write
some
people
and
it's
helpful
to
have
a
call
to
kind
of
get
us
thinking
about
it,
and
you
know,
maybe
maybe
we
can
do
another
one.
F
F
B
F
F
We
need
to
do
some
some
design
around
the
entities
and
the
governance
and
think
about
some
things
in
order
to
be
able
to
take
on.
I
think
that,
there's
in
my
small
little
brain
at
the
moment,
without
talking
about
dolls,
which
are
going
to
happen
later,
you
have
an
education,
nonprofit
and
a
for-profit.
B
B
B
So
if
you
want
to
invest
in
a
deeper
level,
this
is
what
what
you
do
so
to
a
single
investor.
It
might
be
a
little
hard,
but
I
think
a
structure
like
dao
lends
itself
to
to
crazy
ass
thinking
where
you
can
actually
start
getting
into
the
white
paper.
That
explains
the
logic
and
people
actually
sign
into
that.
A
F
E
F
B
F
I
would
put
what
you
just
said
into
research
on
the
nonprofit
research
say:
oh,
we
can
do
some
non-profit
stuff,
you
can
donate
it.
We
can
do
research
on
a
product
of
your
choice
or
we
can
invest
it
in
something
that
is
going
to
be
our
engine
of
growth,
which
is
going
to
help
sell
products
like
we
need
to
be
able
to
buy
google
adwords.
We
need
to
be
able
to
have
a
brand
product
descriptions,
product
sites,
sell
kits
and
then
that
ultimately,
will
pay
for
all
the
apprentices
when
they
finish.
B
B
F
B
Do
that
but
but
what
about
so
do
we
do
we
create
a
structure
that
is
for
sale
at
the
end
of
the
day?
That's
the
difficulty
there
because
we're
not
for
sale.
That's
the
thing!
That's!
It
sounds
purest
right,
but
at
the
end
of
the.
F
B
So
that,
like
the
parasitic
thing
of
like
oh
yeah,
people
just
buying
and
selling
shares
of
it,
so
that'll
be
the
equity
it
doesn't
matter.
It
doesn't
destroy
the
substance
of
the
organization
see
because
once
people
start
hoping
to
sell
like
because
there's
gonna
be
like
a
cash
out
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
that
will
shift
the
dynamic
to
what
happens
inside
the
organization.
D
F
F
F
C
C
D
F
B
F
B
But
it
has
to
be
related
to
ethical,
distributive
economies.
I
mean.
F
E
E
F
B
F
F
B
B
Both
could
be
significant.
I
would
think
that
the
actual
real
builds
for
people
would
be
the
bigger
because
nobody's
going
to
build
their
own
kit,
there's
just
a
much
smaller
market
for
that
that
is
a
that
is
the
truth.
The
market
for
the
kids
is
much
smaller
compared
to
the
market
for
turnkey
belts,
just.
F
F
F
The
3d
printers
it
almost
feels,
like
you
know,
you
used
to
build
your
model
rockets,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
you
know
what,
if
every
science
class
in
the
country
built
a
3d
printer
fifth
grade,
you
know.
F
B
B
F
I
think
that's
where
I,
where
I
get
a
little
bit
different
than
you,
because
I
see
like
all
the
things
that
you've
done
and
all
the
different
products
I'm
thinking
like
what
really
sells
it
for
me,
is
making
a
city
giving
this
city
its
own
capacity
for
resiliency.
F
So
for
me
it's
very
much
like
all
the
different
little
things
that
it's
like
a
like.
You
said
the
starter
kit
or
the
reboot
or
like
if
there's
a
disaster,
you're
that
one
person
and
you're
playing
into
all
the
different
things.
I
mean
it's
like
the
perfect
brand
you're
playing
into
all
the
people
that
are
buying
bunkers
and
solving
housing.
That's
like
it's
a
completely
different
premise,
but
I
know
that
you're
you're
really
interested.
B
Yeah,
it
is
a
different
premise,
but
it's
also
an
outcome
of
if
you
have
the
enabling
technologies,
but
not
just
enabling
technologies
the
paradigm
for
how
you
collaborate
to
develop
things
in
general,
because
that's
the
actual
product
of
the
gbcs.
It's
not
the
50
tools,
it's
the
techniques
to
develop
anything
collaboratively.
B
B
B
Well,
no,
it's
collaboration.
It's
collaboration
and
there's
various
techniques
we've
developed,
swarm
builds
is
one
technique
we've
developed,
but
it's
really
collaborative
design.
It's
the
collaborative
part
collaborative
design
for
a
transparent
and
inclusive
economy
of
abundance.
That's
our
mission,
so
the
collaboration
is
what's
going
to
solve
the
problems,
because
because
problems
are
bigger
and
bigger
than
individuals
and
together
we
can
accomplish
more.
So
the
the
premise
here
is
israel
collaborating
that's
that's
what
we're
trying
to
sell.
B
There's
a
writer
page
on
our
wiki
called
collaborative
literacy.
There's
a
few
few
discussions
on
that
and
today
with
john,
we
were
talking
about
that.
Nobody
buys
it
it's
cool
but
to
implement
to
to
really
learn.
It
is
hard,
that's
my
conclusion
from
this
year,
so
part
of
what
so
john.
Before
we
talked
to
you,
we
were
talking
about.
B
Well,
maybe
we
need
to
take
that
discussion
to
a
higher
level,
just
just
get
that
get
the
premises
and
they're
more
understandable
by
a
larger
majority
of
people,
because,
right
now
we
focus
a
lot
on
actual
technical
tools
to
get
there
actual.
How
you
do
it?
Here's
how
you
collaborate
openly
bam,
it's
too
hard.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
elements
in
there.
It
includes
cult,
culture
and
technology
mindset.