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A
How
are
you
feeling
good
good,
what
I'm
thinking
get
tyler
set
up
a
conversation
with
tyler.
B
I
don't
know
I
mean
it
may
be
worth
a
shot.
He's
pretty
he's
got
high
profile.
I
suppose
like
I'm,
not
that
far
from
him
in
dc,
I
could
just
knock
on
his
door
at
his
office
at
george
mason.
B
Probably
for
students
only,
although
I'm
sure
he's
not
super
rigid
yeah,
it's
always
a
balancing
act,
because
you
don't
it's
like
you're
applying
for
this
grant
and
he
has
this
pipeline
already
open
to
receive
information
related
to
it.
So
if
I
bypass
past
that,
I
don't
know,
I
would
say,
submit
the
application
first
and
see
if
he
gives
you
a
call.
A
And
what
if
we
ask
brian
yeah,
I
mean
that's
overstepping
it.
A
Do
you
wanna,
try
ask
brian
for
that,
then,
just
just
either
like
ask
him
out
right:
hey
can
we
talk
to
or
see
what
he
says
just
or
I'll?
Just
maybe
maybe
they
know
each
other.
You
know
they've
got
a
good
rapport
and
he'd
be
like
oh
yeah,
just
he
pointed
to
us
so
that
we
have
a
better
chance.
B
Yeah,
I
would
let
me
think
about
it.
What
do
you
think
about
it.
B
You
don't
have
to
go
through
me,
man,
if
you
like,
you've
got
brian's
email.
Now,
if
that's
the
conversation
you
want
to
have
with
them,
I
may
just
be
a
middleman
to
that.
B
I
mean
my
gut
says
that
you're
you
can.
You
can
include
our
conversation
as
one
of
the
supporting
documents
or
like
a
link
to
like
we
can
have
a
link
sheet
where
we
say,
like
we've
already
spoken
to
brian
potter,
previous
tv
winner.
You
know
that's
another
option.
A
Yeah,
okay
sounds
cool,
let's
publish
this,
and
do
we
have
his
yeah
okay,.
B
Not
to
mention
this
I
mean
like
it
would
be
a
multifaceted
or,
as
we
like
to
call
a
combined
arms
attack.
So
right,
like
what
we're
gonna
submit
the
grant,
we
can
include
the
recording
we
have
brian
potter.
We
can
tag
evie
and
tyler
on
social
media
during
the
release
of
that.
A
B
A
lot
of
different
avenues:
okay,
so
I
I'm
guessing.
You
know
you've
been
focusing
on
the
house
and
everything
I'm
not
sure,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
ground
to
cover,
because
I
haven't
seen
the
next
draft
in
the
ev
and
we're
still
executing
previous
week's
priorities.
What
do
you
want
to
talk
about?
Do
you
want
to
reflect
a
little
bit
on
the
conversation?
You
just
have
a
brand
or
is
there
something
else.
A
Yeah
for
brian
it's,
let's
see
what
what
his
thoughts
are.
I
can't
can't
say
much
right
now.
I
guess
don't
have.
A
Specific
I'm
curious
how
how
much
he
buys
into
open
culture
to
do
that.
It
sounds
like
whatever
they're
doing
might
be
proprietary
in
terms
of
the
technology
itself,
because
nobody
works
open
openly
today
on
hardware.
A
B
I
mean
I
get
the
sense
from
his
writing
that
there's
this
open
question
of
like
how
are
you
going
to
innovate
in
the
construction
industry
period
and
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
competing
with
anybody
else
to
prove
that
it
is
possible
to
innovate,
which
may
be
interesting
to
him.
Just
for
that
reason,.
A
B
Well,
yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
the
story
that
we're
going
to
tell
with
the
success
of
the
first
build
is
look
how
successful
it
was
with
traditional
metrics
of
like
the
financial
success,
the
success
of
the
labor
force,
and
you
know,
oh
by
the
way,
it
was
also
done
completely
open
sourcing.
Anybody
has
access
to
this
model.
B
Well,
yeah,
because
you've
already
you've
already
proven
that
it's
tough,
even
when
you
have
a
good
idea
that
works
to
get
people
to
buy
into
it.
And
so
you
know.
A
B
A
A
A
Yeah
yeah
man,
it's
like
literally
like
people,
have
the
choice
to
be
anywhere
well.
If
people
are
aware
they
can
have
a
choice,
and
even
I
was
thinking
it's
like
well
wait.
Why
am
I
out
there
busting
my
balls
in
the
cold?
Why
shouldn't
I
be
an
investor
some,
so
it's
like.
If
you
open
up
your
mind,
you
can
say
that
okay,
any
of
these
realms
is
possible,
but
the
end
of
the
day.
You
got
to
really
ask
yourself
what
makes
really
good
sense
and
also
is
you
know,
actual
progress
for
humanity.
A
You
know,
and
then
I
that's
where
I
think
yeah
just
some
real
work
is
part
of
meaning
and
and
progress
for
society
too,
that
that's,
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
go
away
ever.
B
A
A
Yeah
but
when,
but
I
will
also
note
that
before
we
had
running
water
and
hot
water,
the
complaints
were
identical.
Nothing
has
changed
on
that
front.
Okay,
I
believe
that.
B
B
B
Know
I
think
we're
gonna
learn
a
lot
in
this
process.
B
B
A
B
I
mean
it's
tough
for
me
because
I
wasn't
there,
but
I
would
imagine
that
just
using
my
experience
in
the
military
like
if
you,
I
noticed
a
change
in
motivation
level,
when
people
felt
like
there
was
a
start
middle
and
end
to
what
they
were
doing.
B
A
A
It's
not
it's
affected
by
the
creature
comforts,
but
I
would
say
the
larger
fraction
of
it
is
psychology
and
then
on
one
side.
You
can
address
that
by
recruiting
different
profile
of
person
and
also
clarifying
clarifying
the
psychology,
like
the
clarity
that
you.
B
B
Yeah
exactly
which
is,
I
think,
part
of
the
power
of
a
apprenticeship
program.
There's
just
enough
structure,
yeah,
just
enough
structure,
there's
a
clear
endpoint
in
goal.
Yeah.
A
Yeah,
so,
regarding
the
only
thing
I
can
say
is
any
any
possible
work
that
do
you
have
any
ideas
of
what
what
you
could
do
that
I'm
not
a
hang
up
right
now,
but
the
only
thing
my
suggestion
would
be
like
what
I
mentioned
last
week
was
was
search
for
people
that
were
inviting
to
the
first
build,
which
is
we
want
to
get
a
invite.
30
people
have
24,
show
up
30
or
more
reach
out
to
a
bunch
of
people,
but
I
don't
know
what
do
you?
B
B
I'll
have
to
think
about
it.
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
right
now
in
terms
of
like
the
marketing
and
recruiting
participants
for
the
first
build.
B
Instagram
and
twitter
posts
are
cheap
for
me
in
terms
of
time
and
energy,
and
so
like
there's
no
reason,
I
can't
put
more
photos
up
and
hey
like
this
is
coming.
Are
you
prepared
tbd?
You
know
spring
2022.,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions.
I
think
that
to
convert
that
into
people
emailing,
I
mean,
like
I've,
got
six
subscribers
right
now
to
the
newsletter
the
osce
newsletter.
B
A
Yeah,
I
don't
have
any
anything
specific.
I
think,
regarding
the
actual
recruiting
of
people
to
show
up.
A
One
thing
we're
gonna
have
is
a
conversation
on
that,
but
I
think
that
would
be
the
that's
the
number
one
thing,
because
it
you
can
get
the
awareness
out
there,
but
I
think
it's
it's
specifications
for
who
we
need,
like
more
of
that,
just
the
the
recruiting
part
like
what
are
we
actually
saying
and
what
qualities
are
we
filtering
for?
If
any?
If
anything,
are
we
just
letting
pretty
much
most
people
come
in
pending
I
mean
the
absolute
requirement
is:
there's
some
skill
set,
so
we're
not
working
with
training
people.
A
B
Okay,
I'll
think
about
it,
because.
A
B
Something
else
I
had
another
idea,
you
know:
we've
been
talking
to
travis
brungart,
the
the
contract
in
kc,
there's
also
a
potential
that
we
sort
of
leverage,
his
connections
and
other
builders
in
the
area
in
a
way
that
you
know
says
like.
I
just
need
to
send
this
out
to
your
subs
just
tell
them.
They
need
to
be
ready
to
follow
instructions
for
this
first
build.
B
A
Yeah,
let's,
let's
get
that
conversation
going
like?
Let's
talk
about
okay
workforce,
what
access
does
he
have
what
suggestions
he
might
have
since
he's
in
the
field,
and
does
he
have
a
team
himself?
How
many
people
does
he
have.
A
A
A
Don't
have
a
clear
answer
on
that,
one
because
it
from
my
side,
because
it's
a
very
specific
product,
it
needs
some
heavyweight
product
management,
and
I
don't
have
a
substitute
for
me
who
knows
the
process
yeah,
so
I
think
we
kind
of
which
is
which
is
part
of
the
process.
We'll
we'll
see
what
happens.
I
mean.
B
B
We're
right
where
we
need
to
be
given
our
constraints,
and
maybe
that's.
A
B
A
It
all
yeah
yeah
yeah.
Perhaps
you
might
be
right
on
that
because
I
mean
on
the
ground:
it's
it's
out
there
and
it's
it's
cold
as
hell
nobody's
gonna
show
up
right
now,
that's
for
one
thing
and
so
yeah,
just
focusing
my
energy
to
to
be
out
there
as
much
as
I
can,
but
at
the
same
time
documenting
a
lot
of
stuff
which
nobody
does
like.
A
I
haven't
seen
anybody
do
this
in
process
documentation,
which
is
great
because
then
I
can
pass
that
right
onto
and
say,
okay,
john
clean
this
up
or
other
people
hey,
let's
clean
this
up.
Let's
make
this
into
a
product.
Let's
package
this,
but
for
now
it's
I
mean
the
thing
we're
still
doing
is:
there's
still
experimentation
happening
like
okay.
How
do
you
actually
do
this?
How
do
you
do
that
utility
panel
between
the
bathroom
and
kitchen?
A
That's
not
been
built
yet
there's
still
like
I'm
still
problem
solving,
which
which
is
one
of
those
points
where
it's
like
it's
the
most
frustrating
time
trying
to
lead
somebody,
because
because
it's
like
there's
a
significant
level
of
problem
solving
so
unless
someone's
got
deep
experience
in
this,
they
can't
help
right
and
not
sure
we
can
really
afford
anybody
to
to
help
right.
Now,
because
I
mean
we
don't
have
that
person
and
yeah,
it's
it's
both
in
terms
of
finding
or
or
trying
to
get
that
person,
but
I
I
do
see.
A
I
do
see
clear
light
ahead
of
the
tunnel
that
that's
clear
it's
around
the
corner.
It's
not
not
too
far
away.
I
think
the
first
build
is
going
to
be.
We
got
to
plan
more
like
for
the
middle
of
the
year,
still
within
schedule,
we'll
see
if
I
can
do
this
by
february
1st
here
as
far
as
having
pretty
much
everything
done,
but
it's
it's
tight
because
it's
already
like
january,
what
do
we
got?
We've
got
three
weeks
left
I
mean.
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
that's
true,
I'm
I'm
pretty
clear
that
yeah
I
mean
we
got
to
be
out
when
we're
out
there.
We've
got
a
full
team
and
we've
got
like
if
you
ask
yourself
for
pre-mortem,
it's
like
how
are
you
guaranteed
to
fail?
Well,
we
don't
have
clear
instructions,
we
don't
have
a
team
right.
So
if
you
don't
have
clear
documentation,
not
a
clear
team,
the
documentation
comes
from
doing
it
and
then
documenting
spending
some
time
on
that
at
the
point
we
have
the
full
documentation
in
cad.
A
Then
you
can
spawn
a
whole
bunch
of
other
process
and
I'd
like
to
get
you
thinking
to
also
about
like
so
the
virtual
walkthroughs,
even
the
the
video
game,
the
mass
multiplayer
online
game.
As
soon
as
the
the
full
cad
model
is
there.
We
can
actually
look
for
that.
I
I
want
to
see
that
it's
part
for
training
and
part
for
engagement.
A
I
think
this
just
basically
the
mixed
reality,
the
virtual
world
or
the
metaverse
around
this
project.
That's
going
to
be.
You
know
the
word
metaverse
yeah,
it's
like.
B
A
A
If
you
can
put
forth
any
guidelines
regarding
when
we're
actually
reaching
out,
that
would
be
useful.
You
know,
how
do
we
do
that
and
just
a
list
of
critical
requirements
and
then
secondary,
like
I
think
we
got
to
prioritize
like
the
only
thing
I
know
right
now:
it's
anybody
goes.
They
just
gotta
have
skill,
because
everything
you
really
find
out
you
find
out
if
they
show
up
and
how
they
work
with
you.
Can
they
collaborate?
That's
that
kind
of
stuff
you,
you
really
gotta
figure
out.
A
Only
when
you
work
with
that
person,
can
they
problem
solve?
Can
they
can
they
work
as
a
team
and
can
they?
How
do
they
work
under
pressure?
A
Character,
it
comes
from
the
laws
of
human
nature.
Take
a
look
at
what
character
is
it's
four
things
wikipedia?
Let
me
put
the
link
in
there.
This
is
this
is
cool
because
I'm
formalizing
all
this
stuff.
Okay,
what
do
you
mean
by
character?
Well,
here
it
is
it's.
How
do
you
handle
adversity,
it's
more
like
ashes
and
diamonds
and
see
that
link?
How
do
you
adapt
and
work
with
others?
That's
collaborative
literacy,
patience
and
humility
and
ability
to
learn
growth,
mindsets?
That's
that's
kind
of,
I
would
say
the
four
things
we're
selecting
for.
A
B
A
B
No
I'm
saying
this:
this
assumes
that
there
is
like
character
and
morality
are
synonymous
or
not
synonymous,
but
compliments
to
each
other,
like
otherwise
character
is
just
a
description
of
somebody's
state
of
mind
or
how
they
how
they
act
in
the
world
and,
what's.
B
Yeah,
well
that
that's
an
open
question.
I
mean,
though
I
don't
know
the
laws
of
human
nature,
but
I
would
imagine
that's
like
a
deep
philosophical
problem
for
individuals
to
solve,
like
everyone
has
their
own
priors
about
where
morality
and
ethics
come
from
and
so
like.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
think
I
can
imagine
a
human
being,
who
has
these
four
aspects
of
character
and
still
be
a
bad
person.
A
B
I
mean
imagine,
imagine
a
group
of
psychopaths:
maybe
they
could
collaborate
to
work
to
together
because
they're
creating
something
evil.
B
This
is
this
is
like
a
wild
like
hot
tape,
hot
tape,
not
not
a
lot
of
thought
going
into
this,
but
you
know
the
at
the
end
of
the
day.
My
only
point.
A
B
Is
like
we
don't
have
to
say
on
the
forum
or
the
application
or
like
in
our
marketing
plan.
We
don't
have
to
say
that,
like
you
believe
in
helping
mankind,
but
I
think
we
should
just
keeping
the
back
of
our
heads
that,
like
having
a
set
of
values
or
living
according
to
a
set
of
principles
about
you,
know,
service
or.
B
A
Yeah,
so
maybe
adding
that
and.
A
A
B
A
Unnecessarily
because,
actually
I
I'm
almost
to
the
end
of
the
book,
and
now
it's
actually
bring
a
good
point,
but
I
gotta
tell
you
that
the
words
ability
like
at
least
collaborative
literacy,
now
I
added
a
link
to
collaborative
literacy
that
is
imbued
with
ethics
of
something
much
greater
than
yourself
and
because
that's
also
distributive
in
there
is
distributive
economics,
which
is
that's
not
psychopathic.
A
Patience
and
humility,
humble
fake
humility,
authentic
humility
would
be
that
you
really
don't
think
so
highly
of
yourself
and
you
wouldn't
really
be
altruistic
or
helping
helping
others.
Of
course,
after
you
take
care
of
yourself,
yeah.
B
A
A
B
Mindset,
I
I
just
a
buddy
of
mine,
just
wrote
a
a
paper
for
the
army,
actually
about
morality
and
like
what's
the
what's
the
ethical
basis
for
joint
doctrine
and
his
thesis
is
that
it's
currently
based
on
anti-realism
and
the
world
would
be
a
better
place
if
it
was
based
on
moral
realism,
and
I
haven't
read
the
whole
thing
yet
I'll
send
it
to
you
yeah.
B
But
I
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
where
I'm
going
with
this,
which
is
that,
like
moral
morality,
has
real
world
consequences
that
matter
and
define
what
is
right
and
what
is
wrong
or
or
what
is
right
and
what
is
wrong
is
based
on
real
world
consequences
caused
by
morality.
Maybe,
yes,.
A
A
What's
your
thought
on
the
level
of
discipline
for
the
apprenticeship,
because
I've
been
thinking
high
expectations,
discipline,
it's
kind
of
struck
struck
me,
and
maybe
we
gotta
up
that
game,
but
what's
your
thought
on
it,
because
I
I'm
leaning
towards
man,
let's
make
this
super
discipline
where
you
go
through
hardship
in
a
sense
of
breaking
yourself
down
and
building
yourself
up?
A
What's
your
thoughts
on
this
thing,
what's
the
proper
balance
on
this
aspect
because
man,
it's
like
you,
grow
as
far
as
how
much
you're
willing
to
suffer
and
break
your
past
patterns
which
are
really
comfortable
and
they're
very
lead
to
psychological
suffering,
not
not
body
suffering
body.
We
can
take
that,
but
I
think
psychological
is
more
more
difficult.
A
B
A
Okay,
so
very
strict
discipline,
as
in
you've
got
an
extremely
well-defined
program
and
dimensions
that
are
found
nowhere
else,
things
like
landmark
education,
which
actually
some
companies
take
just
crazy,
which
pushes
you
to
learnings
on
all
kinds
of
fronts,
so
part
of
it
is
okay.
You're,
this
we're
really
teaching
we're
spending
half
the
time
technical
and
half
the
time.
Learning
how
to
be
a
person,
learn
how
to
think
learn
how
to
evaluate
your
mental
models
and
gain
focus
which.
B
A
Discipline
right-
and
that
means
we're
going
to
be
pushing
people
beyond
their
very
normal
thing
like
in
school,
you're,
not
taught
discipline.
You
got
to
do
it
because
you
got
to
crank
out
this
paper,
but
unless
you
specifically
ask
for
that,
you
don't
cover
any
of
this,
and
that's
I
felt
that
was
a
great
miss
in
my
education
like
right
now,
I'm
trying
to
say
holy
cow.
Let's
study,
how
we
learn
and
how
we
become
people.
B
Right
I
mean
I
I
I
tend
my
initial
reaction.
I
don't
even
know
if
this
is
accurate
to
how
I
think
generally,
like
my
initial
reaction,
is
that
discipline
is
an
emergent
property
or
discipline,
is
a
constant
risk
reward
calculation
that
people
make
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and
it's
kind
of
fueled
by
past
experiences,
and
so,
like
you
know,
I
keep
going
back
to
the
military
you
can
make.
You
can
take
a
bunch
of
18
year
olds
off
the
street
and
send
them
to
boot.
B
A
To
know
good,
very
good
distinction,
okay
and
and.
B
I
am
motivated
to
always
choose
the
hard
right
over
the
easy
wrong,
because
I
see
how
these
actions
impact
myself
and
others
globally
or
in
the
long
term,
and
I
am
I'm
making
the
world
a
better
place
by
you-
know
making
the
right
decision
in
whatever
the
instance
is,
and
I
think
structure
like
the
structure
we
impose
on
the
apprenticeship
plays
a
part
in
that,
but
it
is
possible
to
be
too
rigid,
as
you
know,
and
there
is
an
important
like
develop
personal
growth
that
occurs
by
making
small
recoverable
mistakes
when
it
comes
to
taking
shortcuts.
B
Like
I'm
a
perfect
example
of
that,
like
I
failed
college,
the
first
time
I
tried
it,
I
did
because
I
wasn't
disciplined-
and
that
was
part
of
the
reason
and
my
ability
to
recover
from
that.
I
think,
is
why
I'm
probably
a
more
disciplined
person
now
than
I
was,
and
that
was
personal
growth
right
and
so
that
I
think
generally
that's
sort
of
like
how
I
would
start
the
conversation.
B
If
I
think
about
like
how
we
want
to
structure
the
experience,
because,
like
there's
there's
going
to
be,
I
think
what
what
I'm
hearing
is
like.
You
want
to
be
able
to
push
people
outside
the
comfort
zone
to
be
better.
A
B
A
A
B
A
B
A
Yeah,
because
I'm
thinking
it's
like
man,
part
of
this
I
mean
there's
a
beauty
to
the
open
source
wild
wild
west.
But
at
a
certain
point,
when
you
got
a
ship,
that's
when
you
gotta
have
the
high
coordination
yeah.
B
Right,
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
enough.
I
think
it's
enough
raw
ingredients
to
get
somebody
who
cares
about
the
big
picture
is
motivated
to
grow
works.
Well,
as
a
team
right
like,
I
think
there
are
certain
basic
ingredients
that
in
the
right
environment
will
turn
manifest
as
discipline
pride,
you
know,
craftsmanship.
B
Altruism,
whatever,
whatever
other
positive
externalities
you
want
to
achieve,
but
we're
going
to
learn,
I
mean
we're
going
to
make
mistakes
with
the
first
group,
yeah
yeah.
A
I
look
at
myself
because
I
mean
I
transitioned
from
like
pissing
on
an
entire
system
to
accepting
much
more
of
it.
Like
my
mud
hut
here,
you
know
in
the
early
days
and
that
kind
of
stuff
I
see
that
people
kind
of
are
pissed
and
they're
scared,
and
I
was
like
that
too.
I
was
scared
that
the
gunman
is
going
to
get
me
and
stuff
like
that.
Now,
I'm
like
no,
we
run
this
and
and
that's
the
kind
of
transformation
that
we
want
to
cultivate
in
people.
A
It's
like
it's
only
if
you
don't
find
your
full
power
that
you
get
scared
and
right
now,
it's
like
I'm
less
scared
of
less
and
less
things,
so
that
kind
of
internal
growth
is
necessary
for
people
to
transition
from
like
hating,
on
a
system
to
feeling
that
man
we're
just
running
this
thing
and
we're
creating
what
we
need
to
do
for
the
benefit
of
everybody,
so
yeah
that
kind
of
a
breakthrough
like
from
in
my
life,
that's
been
an
absolute
breakthrough,
man
and
that's
what
I'd
like
to
like
to
share
and
we
act
on
it.
B
B
It's
beautiful,
I
think
there
are,
I
think,
that's
that's
a
noble
pursuit.
Honestly,
I
mean
like
like,
if
you
do,
if
you
accomplish
nothing
else
other
than
give
people
the
environment
to
go
on
that
journey,
I
mean
that's.
A
A
A
B
Okay,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
is,
if
I
just
go
back
to
the
ground
we
covered
so
far,
you
know
when
you
get
a
chance.
You'll
send
me
the
second
traffic,
I'm
gonna
start
thinking
about
the
strategy
for
how
we
select
the
right
people,
and
you
know
beyond
that.
I
think
you're
using
your
time.
The
best
way
you
possibly
can
right
now
talia
goes
back
to
daycare
on
monday,
so
I'll
have
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
after
that.
B
Cool
so
I'll
see
how
his
finals
went
last
year
and
see
where
his
head's
at
for
visiting
yeah.
So
I
I'm
happy
to
call
it
here.
I
feel
good.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
talk
about.
A
Okay,
ask
for
habitat.
The
habitat
question
is:
are
they
interested?
Is
any
others
ideal
thing
there's
so
they've
got
a
big
name
and
they're
growing,
so
it
would
be
cool,
they
do
traditional
stuff.
So
if
there's
a
progressive
thinker
there
that
my
personal
goal
would
be,
is
somebody
interested
in
optimized
building
constructions.
B
B
I
mean
they're,
they
absolutely
are
because
that's
essentially
how
they
they
get
done
is
to
sell
a
version
of
that
rapid
quality
house
construction.
Habitat's
huge.
There
is
a
casey
office.
I
consider
cold
calling
them,
but
I'm
going
to
start
with
my
the
person
I
have
the
connection
with
and
go
from
there
like
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
valuable
to
me
from
the
sense
of
they
have
experience,
doing
rapid
coordination
with
inspections
and
permits
and
swarm
builds.
A
B
B
A
person
I
mean
the
guy
who
connects
me
to
habitat
for
humanity,
volunteered
on
a
project
or
volunteered
on
a
home,
build.
A
B
So
so
maybe
I
mean
maybe
I
got
it
wrong.
Maybe.
A
B
B
Well,
they're
they're
doing
this
with.
Actually
you
know
what
I
think
I
know
what
the
difference
is.
I
think
the
difference
is
that
they
show
up
with
a
lot
of
stuff
rebuilt.
A
Yeah,
it
depends,
I
mean
if
they
have
standard
models.
If
that's
the
case,
then
maybe
then
we
should
be
using
their
designs
if
it's
actually
that
good,
but
I'd,
be
pleasantly
surprised
and
the
other
thing
is
notes,
there's
also
church
in
a
day
where
they
build
a
church
in
24
hours.
A
That's
that's
a
known
project
church
in
a
day,
but
it's
not
what
we
do.
It's
it's
a
hundred
professionals,
so
I
mean
that's
different,
which
is
kind
of
what
we're
saying
to
do
saying.
We're
gonna
do
right
now
we're
gonna
get
people
who
actually
know
how
to
build
from
different
disciplines,
but
not
explicitly
those
specialists
but
the
same
technique
once
once
optimized
we
can
use
like
you
know:
10
professionals
and
90
non-professional.
A
B
Right
all
right,
well,
I
mean
let
me
close,
let
me
set
up
the
meeting
and
we
can
ask
these
questions.
The
actual
real
answer.
A
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
I
mean
just
ask
them
again.
That
should
be
a
quick
deal
like
I.
I
want
to
evaluate
what
what
they're
doing,
because
I
mean
that's
that's
exactly
part
of
it-
is
that
we
it's
hard
to
communicate
the
value
proposition,
because
people
are
not
recognizing
that
we're
building
from
scratch.
This
is
not
rebuilt
right.
This
is.
B
B
That's
probably
again,
it
doesn't
matter
because
we're
going
to
talk
to
them,
but
I
would
guess
that
there's
probably
a
lot
of
material
and
expertise
that
is
not
priced
in
because
it's
there's
a
lot
of
donations,
and
so
that's
I'm
guessing
that's.
Why
like,
whereas
we're
bypassing
a
lot
of
that,
whatever.
A
Yeah
yeah,
no,
the
devil's
in
the
details,
and
but
that's
that's
exactly
what
I'm
saying.
Let's
compare
notes
exactly
what
techniques
we're
using?
What
can
we
learn
from
them
and
do
we
have
something
to
offer
them
and
that'll
be
the
discussion,
but
I
never
got
into
this
kind
of
a
discussion,
maybe
because
we
never
had
a
product.