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From YouTube: Darshan Elena Campos - OSE Apprenticeship
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Darshan's application interview for the OSE Apprenticeship. https://www.opensourceecology.org/ose-apprenticeship/
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At
it
probably,
let's
see,
I
would
say,
probably
2
000,
11
or
12.,
and
it
was
specifically
interested
in
on
what
we
you
doing
with
tools
and
thinking
about
yeah.
How
would
we
start
from
zero-
and
I
was
just
you
know,
like
you
know,
being
boricwa
being
puerto
rican
also
being
from
communities
where
a
lot
of
us
have
had
to
scatter
due
to
subtler
colonialism
or
other
forms
of
disaster,
natural
disasters
wildfires,
for
example?
C
I
just
love
what
you're
doing
I
just
know
it's
necessary
all
the
more
so
because
of
the
climate
emergency,
which
is,
we
know,
is
only
accelerating.
So
that
really
is
you
know.
Part
of
it
is
like
I
love
the
project
and
I've
seen
it
grow
over
time
and
what
you're
doing
now?
I
really
appreciate,
especially
with
the
entrepreneurial
dimension
and
really
thinking
about
how
do
we
create
homes
for
people
who
desperately
need
them?
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And
that's
you
know
the
other.
You
know
main
reason,
so
I
had
to
flee
my
community
because
of
domestic
violence
and
finding
housing
solutions
are
really
hard,
especially
when
you
come
from
a
really
impoverished
background.
Like
I
do
so,
where
do
I
go
and
what
does
safety
look
like,
including
like
where?
Is
it
where's
a
a
safe
or
a
brave
space
for
me,
and
then
it's
like
all
the
more
intense
as
somebody
who's
bored,
somebody
who's
puerto
rican,
seeing
what
we've
been
going
through
on
the
islands
in
the
caribbean?
C
It's
not
just
hurricane
irma
maria
that
wiped
through
you
know.
We've
had
you
know
disasters
all
over
the
place,
including
you
know,
over
the
last.
You
know,
year
plus
devastating
earthquakes
and
having
also
survived
a
major
earth.
Several
major
earthquakes,
including
the
one
in
california,
in
1989
that
destroyed
a
third
of
downtown.
C
So
for
me,
I'm
now
you
know
on
my
ancestral
homeland,
poligang,
the
big
island
of
puerto
rico,
and
we
are
having
a
massive
housing
crisis.
It's
amazing
because,
where
I
live
on
this
part
of
the
island
there's
over
a
20
vacancy
rate,
a
lot
of
the
homes
have
been
abandoned
and
because
of
the
tropical
climate
they're
falling
to
pieces,
and
some
of
these
are
issues
around
inheritance.
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A
lot
of
it
is
also
just
the
reality
of
poverty
and
broken
families,
and
then,
when
you
come,
you
know,
combined
with
that,
the
issues
that
are
facing
survivors
of
intimate
violence,
youth
who
are
queer
non-binary
trans
being
kicked
out
of
their
homes.
Because
of
you
know
this
massive
this,
this
massive
social
and
civil
war,
that's
unfolding
all
around
us.
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So
some
of
it
is
also
that
there
are
people
gathering
data
journalists
survivors,
for
example,
but
a
lot
of
it
too
is
we're
just
talking
about
it
and
we're
seeing
it
in
real
time,
and
so
it's
things
like
that
like.
How
do
we
create
these
brave
communities
that
are
able
to
withstand
a
hurricane
in
earthquake
social
warfare
in
our
families,
which
is
why
there
are
so
many
folks
who
are
pushed
onto
the
streets
and
then
how
do
we
solve
it?
C
So
what
I'm
doing
now
is
I'm
working
with
a
whole
bunch
of
really
great
people
who
are
thinking
about
holistic
housing
solutions.
So
for
me,
for
example,
where
I
live
in
my
community,
I
manage
the
community
garden
and
I
do
six
other
gardens,
I'm
in
the
and
they're,
mostly
medicinal
gardens
designed
for
the
people
whose
homes
are
outside
of
so
I
do
them
for
like
elders,
people
in
wheelchairs-
and
I
love
that
you
know
part
of
what
we
need
with
regeneration-
is
food
and
seed
sovereignty.
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We
also
need
to
have
you
know
healthy
land
and
also
be
working
with
the
land
to
help
her
heal,
and
then
we
also
need
housing
that
makes
sense
like
I
live
in
this
incredible
box,
a
concrete
box
that
is
so
incredibly
hot.
When
I
live
in
a
community
where,
if
there
were
greater
air
flow,
I
wouldn't
need
air
conditioning.
I
live
without
air
conditioning,
but
it
just
means
I
live
in
a
really
hot
environment.
That's
entirely
a
design
failure.
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What
happens
is
we're
usually
not
at
the
table.
Native
people
were
erased.
You
know
those
of
us
who
are
survivors
of
violence.
We're
often
erased
from
conversations
because
we
make
people
uncomfortable
and
we
need
to
say
that
for
what
it
is.
But
then
we
also
need
to
be
like
here's.
The
solution.
Let's.
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Access
to
education,
where
they
can
build
their
own
homes
that
are
based
on
sustainable
materials
from
the
natural
environment
that
are
designed,
for
example,
to
actually
like
move
with
the
wind
rather
than
withstand
it,
and
so
for
me
I
know
my
role
is
to
create
brave
communities
for
survivors.
It's
all
about
healing
gardens.
My
people
we're.
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Are
we
composting?
What
it
is
that
we're
using?
What
is
our
exit
strategy
from
plastic?
What
is
that
going
to
look
like,
and
so
for
me?
I
know
what
my
role
is.
My
role
is
to
help
bring
in
these
innovative
solutions
that
are
often
really
based
in
ancestral
technology
and
connected
to
you
know
emerging
technologies,
not
just
digital
stuff,
but
you
know
open
source
platforms
like
we
need
to
be
really
thoughtful
when
we're
thinking
about
you
know:
data
mining
privatization,
etc.
How
do
we
do
it
in
a
shared
way?
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That's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
solve
these
problems
that
what
I'm
doing
here
is
also
being
seen
and
shared
with
people
in
other
spaces
like
kiribati,
an
island
in
the
pacific.
That
is,
you
know,
we're
scared.
We
might
lose
her
because
of
climate
change,
so
if
we
can
share
and
iterate
in
real
time
what's
happening
for
like
what
you're
doing
right
now,
what's
known
as
missouri
connected
to
what
people
are
doing,
you
know
in
parts
of
michigan.
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In
terms
of
the
market
economy,
I've
learned
a
lot,
so
I
benefit
from
white
racial
privilege.
But
you
know
my
family
were
white
racial
privilege.
I
have
very
pale
skin,
but
most
people
in
my
family
are
black
and
brown,
and
most
of
my
community
is
black
and
brown,
and
one
thing
I've
definitely
learned
from
doing
work
around
abolition,
so
ending
slavery,
ending
policing,
creating
justice
as
something
we
actually
live
is
that
many
of
us
actually
need
money.
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It's
not
just
that.
We
need
to
be
sharing
seeds
sharing
time.
There
are
so
many
forms
of
currency
in
the
world.
We
need
those,
but
money
is
also
it
has
its
uses.
There
are
some
things
that
we
cannot
access
at
the
local
level
and
sometimes
people
need
to
buy
their
way
out.
So
I
think
there
are
room
there
is
a
room
for
the
market
for
things
to
buy
and
sell
it's
just
one
more
currency
among
many,
and
so
I
like
to
think
about
money.
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Yeah
and
for
some
of
us,
slavery
is
very
real,
so
one
thing
I've
been
working
on
for
past
four
years
is
a
method
of
business
decolonization,
so
really
thinking
about
how
do
we
get
out
of
this
mess?
And
so
thinking
about
it
from
you
know
traditional
marketing
perspective,
accounting,
perspective,
etc,
but
then
adapting
it,
and
some
of
that
is
bringing
in
new
knowledge
for
most
people,
which
is
that,
like
most
managerial
accounting,
you
know
practices.
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So
for
me,
I'm
I'm
always
thinking
from
the
standpoint
of
okay
colonialism
hasn't
worked
if
we
think
about
it
from
the
standpoint
of
the
environment,
if
we
think
about
it
from
the
standpoint
of
native
people,
if
we
think
about
it
from
the
standpoint
of
people
who
have
been
forced
from
their
homes
like,
I
don't
know
why
your
family
migrated
from
poland,
but
I
know
that
there
are.
You
know
many
reasons
why
people
often
need
to
leave.
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So
my
my
phd
is
from
history
of
consciousness.
It's
a
program
from
the
university
of
california
santa
cruz,
so
I
worked
with
people
like
angela
y
davis,
donna
haraway,
nefertiti
tadiar,
I'm
and
my
focus
in
particular
is
community
education.
So
I
was
looking
at
education
that
happens
in
the
community
at
every
every
place
like
sitting
at
a
you
know,
a
dinner
table
having
a
conversation
like.
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Most
of
our
members
are
elders
and
right
now,
because
of
covid,
but
also
because
of
you
know
the
reality
of
what's
happening
in
native
communities.
Our
elders
are
very
vulnerable.
They
don't
have
a
lot
of
access
to
tech
they're
not
as
comfortable
with
tech,
and
they
also
their
fingers,
aren't
as
mobile.
C
You
know
the
technology
isn't
designed
for
somebody
who's
85..
So
it's
like
adapting,
for
example,
how
we
do
our
applications
so
we're
opening
up.
If
people
want,
we
can
do
phone
applications
and
I'll
type
in
people's.
You
know
answers
to
our
application
questions
and
it's
not
always
easy.
You
know
there's
a
big
learning
curve.
You
know
it's
like
when
you're
just
mentioning
about.
Like
the
mindset
there
are
things
we
really
need
to
change
and
that's
a
stumble
for
a
lot
of
people.
C
You
know
introducing
new
words
or
new
concepts,
whether
it's
turtle,
island
or
open
source,
like
some
people,
are
just
going
to
go,
and
so
it's
figuring
out
how
to
be
like
okay,
open
source
think
about
what
it
means
to
be
open:
we're
trying
to
share
open
source
we're
trying
to
really
get
to
the
root.
Now,
let's
think
about
source
code.
Let's
think
about
computers
like
there
are
ways
that
we
can
talk
that,
like
open
things
up
that
that
stuff
I
like
to
do
in
terms
of
like
you
know,
a
loving
inclusion.
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I've
been
in
the
solidarity
economy,
movement
for
over
a
decade,
and
I
I
did
a
semester
of
graduate
sorry,
not
graduate
school,
a
business
school,
but
I
left
it
because
of
the
racists.
I
just
couldn't
deal
with.
The
fact
of
you
know
how
they
were
thinking
about.
You
know
business
education,
it
just
wasn't
real
to
the
reality.
We
have
much
less,
the
one
that
you
know
is
unfolding
before
us.
You
know
in
real
time,
so
I
do
have
a
background
in
business,
education
and
I've.
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B
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I
do
sometimes
it
depends
on
who
I'm
talking
to
I
most
of
the
folks.
I'm
talking
to
you
know
I
call
them
the
divas,
the
homies,
the
refugees.
You
know
like
I'm.
Sometimes
you
know
talking
in
communities
where
open
source
isn't
a
language
it's
in
a
framework,
but
I
love
open
source
education.
I
love
open
source
technology.
I
love
open
source.
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Yeah,
it's
about
partnerships,
I
call
them
the
six
sacred
partnerships.
It's
like
we
need
to
think
about.
You
know
who
are
our
mentors?
Who
are
our
peers?
Who
are
supply?
I
mean
I
can
keep
going
like
it's
really
about
finding
people
who
are
doing
the
good
work
and
when
you
find
those
people
and
not
all
of
them,
are
customers.
You
think.
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We
need
to
be
thinking
about
money
and
funding
options
and
so,
for
example,
like
right
now,
I'm
doing
all
this
work
on.
How
do
we
access
funds?
You
know
for
people
who
don't
have
them
like.
We
know
our
wealth
has
been
stolen.
We
know
our
wealth
has
been
hoarded.
We
know
that
we
have
unjust
debt,
we
know
who's,
often
carrying
it.
We
know
the
terms
and
agreements
and
the
fact
that
we
never
signed
them.
Nor
did
we
understand
the
language
and
we're
still
poor.
The
knowledge
doesn't
get
us
anywhere.
C
So
like
right
now,
you
know
one
of
the
models
I'm
looking
at
is
the
giving
project
model,
which
is
about
building
these
communities
of
people
with
this
kind
of
like
mindset
right
this
open
mindset
of
learning
and
changing
together,
and
then
that
group,
who
has
financial
resources
and
who
doesn't
and
then
figuring
out,
okay.
How
can
we
work
together?
So
the
people
with
the
resources
and
the
friends
that
have
a
lot
of
money?
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Is
everybody
else
is
going
to
be
joining
the
program?
You
know,
that's
what
I
want,
and
you
know
like
one
of
the
things
I'm
really
good
with
is
you
know
collective
processes
of
leadership?
You
know
who's
at
the
table,
who's
talking.
How
do
we
maybe
do
something
different
that
isn't
about
talking?
If
we're
talking
about
tech,
let's
think
about
it,
you
know
like
how
heavy
is
your
power
drill?
Do
you
have
other
kinds
of
hammers?
C
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
can
literally
be
built
into
the
design
process,
so
that
people
develop
the
hard
skills
together
and
all
that
said,
some
of
us
are
more
adapt
or
not
adapt
adept
like
some
of
us
actually
want
to
be
spending
more
time.
You
know
on
the
ground
with
our
hands
in
the
dirt.
Some
of
us
want
to
be
spending
more
time.
You
know
with
the
screen.
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I'm
focusing
on
indigenous
fruit
trees
and
the
medicinal
properties,
so
things
like
you
know
like
I
can
keep
going
like
literally
my
seed
bank's
over
there.
You
probably
can't
see
it
because
it's
dark,
but
so
I
have
a
my
nursery,
is
no
name
nursery
vibe
and
that's
dedicated
to
our
ancestors,
who
were
who
were
stolen,
whose
names
we
don't
know
and
whose
knowledge
was
often
lost
or
hidden,
because
I
want
to
bring
back
that
knowledge.
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If
there's
natural
sunlight,
I'm
gonna
use
it
terraforming
technology,
we
need
big,
big
data
and
we
need
metrics
and
we
need
to
be
thinking
across
borders
and
sharing
information.
We
need
the
technology.
How
do
we
make
it
open
source?
How
do
we
make
it
transparent
and
countable
who's,
I'm
owning
and
sharing?
And
what
does
that
look
like?
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That
said,
if
I'm
thinking
about
feeding
my
people
and
it'll,
look
something
different
and
that's
the
same
thing
I
think
with
like
the
housing
that
you
all
are
designing.
That's
not
traditional
housing,
but
I
also
don't
live
in
traditional
housing.
Now
I
want
solutions
that
are
going
to
allow
people
to
be
safe
when
the
winds
blow
you.
A
C
A
C
C
Now
desert-
and
it's
a
I
mean,
desertification
is
real
and
it's
a
long-term
process.
You
know
this
is
like
not
plant
a
seed
and,
let's
see
what
happens,
it's
literally
like
plant
to
seed
tend
the
seed.
You
know
you're
talking
about
a
two
three
four
year:
investment
to
make
sure
that
that
you
know
plant
is
stabilized
and
healthy
and
becomes
a
natural
part
of
the
environment
rather
than
a
new
thing.
C
C
C
C
Yeah,
we
can
do
it
in
20
years,
like
I've
been
watching
summer.
He's
brazilian
he's
been
doing
he's
an
amazing
photographer
and
he
does
a
lot
of
stuff
around
trees,
and
you
know
he,
you
know
started
doing
this
project
planting
trees
and
they
planted
over
200
000
trees
and
all
of
a
sudden,
like
you
know,
the
jaguars.
C
Like
yeah,
that's
a
20-year
project
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
here.
That's
why
I
have
a
seed
bank
and
a
nursery,
and
I'm
trying
to
like
connect
him
with
your
project,
because
I'm
like
we
need
these
whole
scale,
solutions
that
are
thinking
from
as
many
standpoints
and
perspectives
as
possible
technology,
big
data,
open
source
and
seeds,
dirt
composting.
C
Yes,
have
you
tried
cutting
my
garden
with
a
pair
of
scissors?
I
have
it's
not
very
fun
like
I
would
really
enjoy.
Having
some
you
know
more
advanced
tools,
including
a
weed
whacker.
You
know
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
conversation
if
it
weren't
for
technology.
I
wouldn't
know
about
your
project
for
the
last
decade,
if
it
weren't
for
technology,
there's
a
role
for
it
and
there's
also
the
fun
of
it.
Like
I
love
what
I
get
to
like,
you
know,
share
and
listen
to
music.
B
B
A
A
C
A
B
A
C
C
C
The
people
in
the
philippines
do
amazing
stuff
with
woods.
You
know
it
depends
on
what
kind
we're
working
for
your
stuff.
I
want
to
learn
the
design
principles
and
I
want
to
see
if
it
work
here.
I
also
you
know,
think
sometimes
it's
worthwhile
to
put
something
in
place
and
see
how
long
it
takes
for
term
rights
to
get
in,
because
that
might
be
ways
for
us
to
problem
solve
for
other
kind
of
places.
A
C
Yeah
many
many
many,
however,
a
lot
of
them
are
slow
growing
and
our
island
has
really
been
forested
and
now
there's
this
huge
campaign
to
plant
750
000
trees
over
the
next
five
years.
So
there's
greater
concentration
efforts,
there's
also
hello
developers
that
are
going
out,
knocking
down
trees.
There's
lots
of
you
know
really
scary
stuff
happening.
C
Now
we're
largely
concrete
based,
but
for
example,
so
I
there's
an
elderly
care
from
the
community
carmen
she's
86.
She
was
raised
in
a
house
made
of
yagwa
a
royal
palm
and
so
upon.
You
know
they
take
about.
You
know,
75
years
to
they
grow
about
a
foot
a
year
right
so
and
they're
gorgeous,
but
like
those
houses
we're
really
resistant
to
to
to
rain,
you
know
like
the
way
they
would
weave
together.
You
know,
like
the
pom-poms.
B
C
You
do
you
do
so.
I've
actually
spent
some
time
in
some.
You
know
houses
that
have
that,
and
you
know
during
a
small.
I
think
it
was.
It
wasn't
even
a
hurricane,
but
it
was
a
a
high
tropical
storm
and
you
know
several
of
the
panels
were
lost,
but
it
took
two
hours
to
redo
the
roof.
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
that's.
The
kind
of
thing
like
you
know
for
me,
I'm
like
that's
a
community
solution,
because
we
could
do
that.
C
A
Like
if
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
developing
the
particular
because,
right
now,
it's
about
collaborative
development
of
making
the
cd
go
home
better
as
a
viewable
product
with
light
frame
construction.
But
I
mean,
would
you
have
the
motivation
or
interest
to
actually
help
on
that?
If
that's
not
exactly
what
you're
going
to
build
because
there's
definitely
the
there's,
definitely
the
how
to
design,
which
definitely
will
teach
you.
But
if
you
talk
about
a
specific.
C
Yes,
there
is
not
a
thing.
I
am
one
of
the
most
curious
people
you're
ever
going
to
meet.
I
love
to
learn
and
anything
that
I
don't
understand.
I
want
to
know
why,
and
it
doesn't
mean
I
won't
cry
about
it.
If
it's
really
hard,
it
doesn't
mean
that
I
won't
be
really
intimidated,
but
certain
times,
especially
around
people
who
are
natural
experts
or
trained
experts,
but
it
does
mean
I
mean
like
somebody
like
me,
doesn't
get
a
phd
without
you
know
having
a
lot
of
drive
and
ambition
and
dedication.
C
C
C
A
Want
if
you
talk
about
enterprise,
succeeding
part
of
it,
what
what
allows
us
to
do
this
is
the
kind
of
radical
efficiencies
we
have
either
through
smart
design
through
collaborative
team
builds
just,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
just
through
good
good,
simple
design
pay
attention
to
the
workflows
and
every
I
mean,
there's
a
lot
of
details
and
that's
the
difference
between
okay.
Can
we
actually
do
this,
make
it
spread
versus?
Oh,
this
is
too
much
work.
People
fade
out
before
anything
gets
done.
You.
B
A
So
are
you?
Are
you
comfortable
in
that
kind
of
I
mean
if
you
have
a
phd,
you
know
what
a
long
process
to
get
somewhere
is,
but
but
that's
the
kind
of
process
just
to
get
your
mindset
in
it.
It's
not
like.
Oh,
we
have
all
the
answers.
No,
no,
we
don't
it's
we're
working
on
it
and
it's
about
that
constant
you're
buying
into
the
fact
that
hey,
we
are
walking
that
road
and
we
know
it
will
be
better.
We
have
a
certain
level
of
confidence
or.
C
A
C
I
think
one
thing
I
always
think
about
local
living
solutions,
because
there's
one
thing
about
going
to
scale
going
to
scale
is
great,
but
it's
not
great,
if
you're
losing
on
many
of
the
people
that
need
to
be
at
the
heart.
You
know
like
our
elders
or
our
children,
or
you
know,
like
our
you
know,
our
new
parents,
like
I'm,
always
thinking
about
solutions
from
the
standpoint
of
yeah.
How
do
we
make
it
as
inclusive
as
possible
as
one
woman
as
possible.
A
We
use
the
word
regenerative
solutions
at
scale,
but
that
doesn't
doesn't
capture
the
part.
This
is
not
about
centralized
regenerative
solutions
at
scale
which
would
be
typically
associated
with
it.
This
is
distributed
region
so
for
you
to
say
to
go
to
scale,
no,
we're
not
talking
about
losing
that.
C
C
C
C
C
A
Feel
good,
so
after
the
apprenticeship
you
you'd
see
yourself
acting
in
puerto
rico.
So
basically
do
you,
I
mean
what
would
you
see?
What
would
you
see
yourself
doing
after
so
say
you
got
six
months,
training
on
how
to
design
and
build
just
about
anything.
You
picked
up
some
skills
and
a
lot
on
collaborative
large
scale,
design
process.
C
I'm
part
of
a
network
of
people
who
are
trying
to
create
housing
solutions
all
across
our
island
of
people
who
are
doing
this
work
and
so
for
me,
if
this
model,
not
just
this
model.
So
if
the
mindset
works,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
be
using
it
taking
it
everywhere
and
sharing
back
in
what
I
can,
because
we
need
this
to
happen
everywhere.
C
C
I
am
with
I'm
working
with
a
lot
of
people
and
we're
specifically
talking
about
holistic
housing
solutions,
great
spaces
for
survivors
of
violence,
which
means,
for
example,
like
a
lot
of
us
who
are
trauma
survivors.
We
don't
like
hearing
any
sound.
How
can
we
sound
proof
at
home,
so
we
make
sure
that
somebody
feels
safe
inside.
You
know
if
they're
a
survivor
of
sexual
trafficking,
for
example,
so
I'm
interested
in
thinking
about
okay,
y'all,
maybe
have
developed
this
one
thing.
A
C
Surrounding
that,
no
that's
what
I
want
when
I
say
about
me
getting
paid,
that's
only
because
right
now,
I'm
still
living
slightly
in
the
market
economy.
All
that
said,
I
live
on
200
a
month.
I've
gotten
my
expenses
down
to
near
zero
because
I'm
trying
to
think
what
are
the
solutions
outside
the
market
economy
which
includes
housing.
So
for
me.
B
B
A
I
definitely
think
all
those
lines,
part
of
the
reason
why
there's
the
case,
you
know
people
ask
me:
what's
this
crazy
stuff
looks
like
what
50
people
100
people
or
you
want
to
get
like
a
thousand
people
or
10
000
people
all
swarming
us
to
build
this
thing
overnight.
Well,
yeah
there's
definitely
use
for
it.
You
say
you
got
a
disaster
or
or
you
want
to
just
build
your
own
village
for
some
other
reason.
A
B
C
It
and
that's
you
know
when
I
saw
this
fellowship.
I
was
like,
oh
my
god.
This
was
made
for
me
and
then,
when
I
saw
the
timeline,
I
was
like.
Oh
even
better.
This
is
what
I
dedicate
myself
full-time
to
full-time.
You
know
it's
literally
like
you
know,
I'm
talking
to
a
lot
of
time,
a
lot
of
times
with
people
who
are
in
like
are
you
familiar
with
brownfields
yeah
yeah?
So
I'm
talking
with
people
that
are
you
know?
How
do
we
get?
You
know
toxic
land
yeah
back
into
community.
C
And
then,
how
do
we
regenerate
it?
Oh
yeah
and
here
yeah
and
here
from
like
sunflowers
sunflowers?
Are
you
know,
soul,
healers
and
soil
healers,
let's
plant
some
big
gardens
and
let
that
land
do
its
thing.
While
we
also
bring
in
some
of
the
big
tech
solutions
that
are
necessary
to
like
pull
out
some
of
that
horror.
A
B
C
B
A
C
A
A
What's
the
financing
model,
the
operational
model
behind
it,
and
can
we
collaborate,
for
example,
openly
on
that
to
make
that
a
pattern
that
works
anywhere
well,
of
course,
with
adaptation
anywhere
in
the
world?
So
if
so,
it
would
be
like
if
you
have
the,
but
I
call
this
this
is
like
entrepreneurial
savvy
like
that's
what
it
takes
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Right
I
mean
that's,
that's
kind
of
been
my
transition
from
you
know,
starting
out
here
say
2006
on
this
piece
of
land,
doing.
A
B
C
We
have
different
choices,
though
you
know
some
of
us
don't
have
a
lot
of
them,
but
we
need
to
recognize
choice
and
agency
is
number
one
you
know
like.
I
don't
I
don't
waste
my
time
anymore
with
like
people
who
aren't
like
you
know,
seeing
where
the
radical
innovations
are
and
how
they
have
to
happen
in
real
time.
I'm
not
trying
to
work
with
the
people
who
are
like
you
know,
trumpers
and
change
their
mind
like
no.
C
A
Being
a
secular,
a
political
organization,
so
we
can't
even
say
you're
a
trumpist
or
whoever.
Now
we
talk
about
solutions,
let's
not
get
bogged
down
in
I
mean
we
really
mean
it.
Personally,
I
really
mean
that
there
is
no
us
and
then
we
got
to
work
together.
Let's
talk
about
the
solutions.
All
of
us
want
solutions,
but
different.
A
Let's
focus
on
the
common
ground
where
it's
creative
and
we
can
go
forward
on
it.
That's
my
only
concern
for
who
we
bring
into
this
program
because,
first
of
all,
we
have
to
collaborate
between
ourselves
while
opening
up
the
boundary
there
is
no
boundary
to
the
outside
world.
We
try
to
create
inclusive
protocols
for
anybody.
C
C
B
A
C
Yeah
I
spent
two
years
traveling
underground
into
these
activist
communities,
autonomous
indigenous
communities,
off-grid
farming
communities.
I
was
on
the
road
and
I
did
that
in
my
early
40s,
you
know,
like
I,
you
know,
was
traveling
by
myself
through
places
where
I
didn't
speak
the
language,
and
I
didn't
look
like
any
of
the
local
people.
I
can
learn
all
the
time
and
throw
myself
into
a
community.
C
I
also
know
you
know
that,
like
I
do
like,
I
want
to
be
able
to
pray
with
the
earth
you
know
like
in
the
region
where
you
are
there's
you
know.
A
lot
of
my
sisters
and
native
women's
care
circle
are
right.
There,
like.
I
love
the
idea,
one
that
they
can
come
and
visit
and
learn
what
you're
doing
and
share
it
in
other
communities.
A
C
Right
now
is
exhaustion.
Our
people
have
been
really
traumatized
over
the
last.
You
know
three
years
since
maria
it's
just
been
endless:
island-based
traumas,
we,
you
know
the
collapse
of
our
government
and,
like
there's
just
a
lot,
so
some
of
it
is
around
confidence.
There
is
some
language
issue.
Although
most
of
the
people
I'm
collaborating.