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OSE's Lyman Filament Maker has made 3D printing filament - result shown at the beginning of video. See notes at https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Development_Team_Log#Tue_Aug_14.2C_2018 for links to all the content, including GoCommons collaboration.
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In vogue yet so great results, their next steps are to grind plastic and generate scrap plaster. This is these are virgin pellets that are bought off the shelf. This is shipment from cue, cue, linemen, but yeah, that's pretty good good stuff. So you can you can view that stream there's I took some data on a filament with it was quite accurate, and this is the open source machine.

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I'm gonna go through also some other work in the background, so Harmon started work on the photogrammetry zina called map, and here are his first results of doing the immersion. We're gonna, reverse engineer, a cordless drill and that's actually a first result of a point cloud generator from a cordless drill.

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So you can take a look at that post and Sarah is gonna, continue on that, and so is Alex the immersion program. People are new new osc fellows and training, so we're gonna continue with that and the point being there. We did get into a lot of trouble before on CAD being accurate, whether it was just inaccurate fabrication. Drawings are part variations because it's difficult to keep CAD updated if you're a manufacturer so right now, if we can scan things that we have in a workshop like say we're building something like the power cube.

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Oh good rain here. This is good because we haven't had rain for a long time.

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Okay, so if we scan a real object and get the accurate cab, that's gonna put us way ahead on on our prototyping efforts, because we know that we got into trouble with just posting CAD. Like you know, for example, the micro track learn more really felt like we thought and we kind of have to scam it up and mess with it and waste a lot of time. So this is the address. That's that's gonna be a major step. We really aim to get that mailed as a regular part of the workflow that we have. Okay.

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Printing here is printing some parts going scrolling down that's down to August 12 still on the whole single shops, Facebook page, but this is actually a pretty printed hundred percent unfilled and burying for a hex shaft for the filament grind for the Boston grinder. So that's actually prototyping in practice. That's really cool stuff industrial parts that you can't get off the shot and here's more documentation on the filament maker. So that's how it looks if you scroll down all these are August 12 pulse on OSC workshops.

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You can see more of that now they go back to next week. So that's! Oh yeah. Here's some a coupon, a greenhouse count, the loops in there, but going back to a little bit of what's going on. One thing that's happening is we're we're putting up a 3d printer website and I posted on that regarding ideas of how we present that, so he can respond to that as well, but yeah we're again the logo for the OSC 3d printer.

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It should really be the open source, ecology, microfactory, but the 3d printer is the first product, but we'll get another icon for the open source. Microfactory like like a logo, so jean-baptiste is working on that in the background. Okay. Continuing back to this is the trip the detailed build has done. Okay, we get killing yosh cmu8. Some people are okay, so on the filament maker, the recycle bot admission, in fact, that's the build so there's extensive documentation. It's the august 9.

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August 9, more oddest, nine and I believe there would be an august 8 and 7 for the details of that complete vote. So he can. You can take a look at that and there are still some issues on a recycler bot. So what we can do? Yes, that's August, 7, there's not any like a hundred or 200 pictures from the entire bill. You can take a look at the details. Some of the features are really cool. Like filament, winder, cooler, spooler. All these things are mm.

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We can use as their open source, so probably the best idea at this point. As the linemen filament maker, which works out of the box, the recycler bot is good and it has a nice little cooling aisle like a good cooling system, that we can therefore pull many different filaments with so we're gonna kind of mash up the linemen, they're recyclable and then the the precious plastic now precious plastic uses a 1 inch auger and these other ones here they recycle about and Lyman they're used a 1/2 inch auger.

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So for the precious plastic, that's more industrial, our style. So we'll also do that during immersion, at least. If it works, you know we'll see how it works. It seems like if you have a larger screw and you can have more throughput, so it definitely would be faster and as long as you can control that well, then we can get a higher throughput system going with with a precious plastic system.

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Right now, I would say the precious plastic is well proven, I mean there's I, think I, don't know, probably in the hundreds of replications for the film and psych for the plastic shredder and the filament maker I think is a I. Don't know the latest numbers by think it's in the hundreds that that people have built the precious plastic system, so you can take a look at that.

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That's kind of the main update on what do we have here on our site, so really good stuff. Once again, to summarize the you know to see.

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The filament cranking.

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Out using the line and filmic Maker, it's really rewarding.

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See that because now we can produce that filament. If we have our own scrap plastic, I mean we're talking about no 1020 cents for the electricity it takes to run it. If you've got scrap plastic, I mean man, it's just amazing, so I think it's been the action numbers like 25 cents per kilogram for the electricity cost involved in pressing out the filament.

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If you go off the shelf, I mean that's 15 dollars a spool, meaning you cannot do that cannot afford to print larger things like say, a plastic lumber or a chair or table.

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Whatever I mean.

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That gets prohibitively expensive if filament were 15 dollars a spool, but if it's 25 cents a spool, then we've got the real options there all right. So let's continue with other updates here, let's see so, we've got. Do we have an update from John John? Do any progress on your side.

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A soul out of Jonah's own, but here's a 8:14 update so he's doing the huh a plastic frame of the be 3d 3d printer. Also, his is pretty good enlarged, that's pretty impressive, almost finishing the hot, and so that's and that's a good example of yeah yeah in this picture. I hear what I'm seeing is. uh That's good he's printing the parts for the filament for the extruder, that's good good stuff. Progress is beam in and we were questioning whether the plastic fork frame would work. I.

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Think the answer is yes, the only caveat being that okay, you might need to go a little slower if the frame starts to wobble on you at high speed. So it's a question of how fast you will be going as far as how practical that will be okay.

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So that's that's good stuff! The Vantage of the plastic frame is that that's amazon shopping bowl ready to source, whereas the metal you have to go to a metal shop to get it CNC cut or welded by yourself, so PVC frame is accessible to anyone. That's the main advantage ease of sourcing okay. So do we have Jose on the pole here so Jose? Maybe you can, let's see, do we have Jose.

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Yeah Abe's asking, if anything, added to pipes to try stiffening the frame, yet no haven't done anything but I mean the the no-brainer solution is just drill a little hole in the in the PVC and then you can fill that with plastic, plastic, plastic, plastic, Paris, concrete glue or whatever's fill the frame solid and making make them solid, or you can do cross ties on the.

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Frame members, but.

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That'll be kind of messy a lot of we have to tent like a tensioning strings, they'll be a little messy, but filling the frame on the inside you know say: you've got a one inch tube drill, a half inch hole mix, some say like plaster of Paris, even I mean that's commonly accessible paper, mache I, don't know whatever something that fills the frame solid, certainly concrete would definitely make it very solid. Okay, now I'm not seeing, let's see we're expecting Jose.

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Not seeing Hosanna on.

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The internet here with us, so let's move on just so it's so so Jesse and miles have joined as I mentioned, working on a power supply so basically taking our Arduino taking the grid power, which is like 120 AC and turning it into a power supply for, say a 3d printer or anything else that we use, because all our stuff runs on DC, Jesse I see you there do. You have any update us. Basically, where you are in that and one would. We expect, expect a simple, simple design. Jessie.

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Can you feedback to us a little bit? Yes,.

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Can hear me yes, very well, okay,.

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So I'm working on actually salvaging a microwave, oven, transformer right now for the project and okay. After that, we're going to rectify the output and then hopefully get something around 20 volts that we could scale the amperage of to be more manageable for the pulse width, modulation, as well as the buck boost circuit. But so far all I've managed to do is secure about two microwave oven. Transformers I just got new one in today: okay and I'll. Sorry! What was that? No.

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No question just keep going: okay.

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Here actually, I managed to take out the primary and secondary coils of them, and the plan is to rewind the secondary to a thicker higher.

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Gauge wire, with u-turns to.

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Get a roughly 20 to 30 volt output. So that's my next death and I've got the microwave to get to work on it. I'm also going to be making a safe, Salvage tutorial for the microwave transformer and there's some other components in there. That might be useful for other projects like fans and stuff as well, but that's.

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Where I'm, at with my part miles, is working on yard, we know aspects I see. So what happened to the idea that you're simply taking 120 AC from the wall, you're just rectifying it to 120, DC and then you're just chopping it up, or you know, through some yeah.

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That's actually likely going to be taking place as well from what I can gather for the universal power supply. We're gonna need.

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Some high amp low current.

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Sources as well as some high voltage sources later on as well yeah, the transformer actually is kind of a I know that that won't work long term for us to get this safety safety and sound, and so I'm thinking we'll just use it to almost reverse engineer: future universal open source transformers, but for now I think it's probably one of our best. We get high current I meant. Okay,.

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Well, what about so so what happens here so what happens when you rectify, for example, 120 volts ac from the wall, so you just turn it into 120 DC, and then you chop it up so that basically using the pulse width, modulation just just chopping it up and then the duty cycle that determines how much you're actually reducing that voltage. So, in the simplest case of a simple like I, say a 12 volt power supply. Do we need that transformer.

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It depends on how much power you want as well for your 12 volts, so how much water.

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You got from what I gather the pulse width. Modulation is very lossy. The.

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Farther you make that conversion so.

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We might have additional.

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Heating problems as well, because all of that loss will be transferred into eat which will have to dissipate yeah I'm, just pursuing the easy salvage option of microwaves, because I think that we might be able to solve some problems faster that get the rest of the project going. And then they come back and do this part on our own design, our own transformer, so that we can claim.

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It's all ours and.

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Not just sourced from scrap okay that.

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Sounds good sounds like we're moving forward. That's pretty good, all right, not sure Emma! Oh sorry, yeah! No, that's good! That's good! Thank you! um Yeah! Going on this! That's going to be good!

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So once we have that I mean idea here is that using the CNC circuit mill we can start milling our own power supplies for the 3d printer and everything else that we do that's a good thing, because we once again not from the price perspective, because the price, okay, you can get a power supply for 20 bucks for the 3d printer, but it is for the lifetime design, because once you make it yourself, you can keep it alive forever, whereas if.

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You're, a power.

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Supply from the off the shelf that breaks you don't know how to fix it. It's daddy better, wear soldier. So it's a difference of you know having something that lasts a year or a couple years to something that you can watch a lot would last forever. So that's the big point as we go forward and yeah yeah that.

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Would be, and once we get this.

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Refined, it's you know and and well developed. If it's very easy to build, then it's great it's a real product that we can have. We can offer that for sale or just have it within the system as a robust piece of equipment that we are no longer worried, whether that will work or not in in any future build because we have total control over that. So yeah, that's good. Let's see Thank You Jesse would be great. That's great.

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I'll say: can you take over and tell us an introduction introduction to your work? Can you hear us.

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Not sure if you have an sound issues but we're not.

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Go Commons, let's see, Jose, not able to hear how we're trying to speak or.

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Mm-Hmm, okay, there you go you're unmuted, so tell us more about what you are doing with go comments and how OSC could collaborate as a in terms of a platform for open product development? Okay, so it's a common topic. Tell us more about it!.

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I want how can I share a screen here? Yes, you can so go to the left hand, side and there you've.

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Got the screen sharing buttons here, yep.

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So I'm gonna stop sharing my screen and we'll go.

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You know start working today, you guys yeah.

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Before you go further, tell us so you're in the Netherlands right now. Are you trying to do this as a full-time thing or are you in school or what? What are you up to these days? Yeah.

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I'm trying to.

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We are well, we have majalis and I swear. We still, you know believe the way we, but we have tried also this approach to to give it back again and share. You know.

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May it also book well, this is part of the book we we made to spread out the story of open sores on how we can use it. There's marching is the.

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Having a hard time seeing that on the screen.

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Sufficient, it's very important, very next patient I.

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Mean making to find a way to contribute in the best way possible so to decentralize the issues. The designs issue on the development issues: that's why we're using get help and get.

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And the third point is that we need to create a kind of coalition between the initiatives, because when you see there are there is the open-source science guys doing something in the upper be the wiki. There are precious blessing with their own platform, and we think that is.

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And we we have tried to assist him in okay. How can we make your project? Oh, but not only. We list the code but also release contribution guidelines and manage your project using it of issues and all this kind of tools are you helping this and the result is very interesting, because let me give you an example. This is a this. Is the the CNC touch table repository right?

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If you go to issues here, we.

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Are you on a specific page and our central to work for document.

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Yeah I was I was showing you that I was showing you an example in my my screen of the of the ways working out and get up. You know with complete examples of issues we we we document and how it is commented by by vibrate members.

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I, don't know if you are seeing today, but that's what I want to show you.

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Yeah yeah yeah, my screen is not updating for your thing, so.

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So, for instance, all the kind of technical discussion that we have here and he can happen in a video conference. You can also documented in specific so that your team can follow by not only your team, but anyone that can reach out that github page. So.

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That using it properly and using the the problem, ranching approach to different versions of your machines, it can make your to.

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Make one work on a story that you.

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So how do we I mean, let's put the three prayer up there so from where we, where we are right now? So how do we do that? So it's what's up for do so. Do we use you know so say: there's open source, ecology github? What do you do D? How do you, you know, tell us more.

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How do we collaborate so.

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So debate the the I. The proposal is, if you give me your accounts, I invite you to the organization, because we basically created an organization dedicated exclusively to help teams document their their open source products. You know an open source projects also.

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Wanna click on.

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It it just makes me your book on seemed first notification status, know.

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Yeah just get crack an open source.

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Yeah, oh yeah, I, don't I cannot I, cannot follow you. Man.

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I was just asking so you'd say get crackin. Is that an open source piece of software.

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Gig dragon, you know, big dragon is not if it's not open source, neither github platform.

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Music for free there is a premium version. Very that's the one everybody is using if you want, but if you you know.

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Yeah yeah I mean maybe so so, let's see I mean so you got your OSC intro here proposal. Ok, so how do we have to get step-by-step instructions on how to do this? So I got the invite and then yeah I mean it's profile. I mean you know. It took me to this public profile, blah blah blah and then what let's see now they're now they're pointing.

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Starting with thanks function, what to do first,.

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Yeah so, for example, I'm on my settings here, I'm seeing go Commons as organization settings, yeah yeah.

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My documentation.

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Get like you know how we branched.

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What models models printers.

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That figured out just have.

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Discussions on I know.

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We've talked about like how do you compile.

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A piece of hardware and replicate it and capturing those one of things, think it it's pretty good, but it can be gratefull keeping control of the CAD files and you know build materials and other documents, but just uh there's some other just both optical things. I know that you can have for other discussions down the line. Yeah.

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That's good, that's good! Maybe what I would suggest is maybe John if you want to you know, put all the assets we have like for a current working directory on d 3d, the 3d printer.

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Mean maybe maybe like start with your version and give it get that going as why.

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Start your version on it and then we can start learning about the what blimey I the deal is.

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That it's definitely going to be a learning curve like this. The only thing I'm concerned about is okay.

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Process to happen like we're going to start getting into design jams.

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A result of immersion program, we're gonna, be doing that in multiple locations, but the idea is, if you have a limited amount of time and a limited amount of ability to teach people how to collaborate, the tools must be simple and transparent, so we always say: well: let's use simpler tools and more people as opposed to less people and more complex tools, because that's when the current one does today, of course, you know people have their advanced tool. Sets that are all proprietary and people.

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Work in a corner everywhere idea is that, okay, how do we create public product development? So I think that's a good word to use. We can say entry back.

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Up below and it's our single pane of glass and industrial world and the big thing for me as a systems engineer and the rest today is a hot topic- is moving away from that stuff and get a single pane of glass. Where you have one solution that stores all your stuffs like they'll time you migrate plants away from you, know, Excel documents or using all these different tools for documentation.

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We can get this all down to one. You know area I'd, have files, have a defined photo structures that standard operating procedures that'd be awesome, I'm. All for that, and so yeah.

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I'll gather together all the point ox the interesting thing, guys, which is a core stationed anywhere in the world. So that's important. You can not do that in a wiki.

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You have to download each time each file, something you don't have to do with it will give you just clone the repository and you have everything there on your computer and then you don't have to be connected to the Internet and then github in particular, because it adds on top of git or services that allow you to outsource your browse and scale up with open source, the lumen tation issuing Kanban boards and all these kind of things, modifications services. You know.

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So let me show you a package of the files put together in an organized manner that I think might be good templates or order structure for an open source, ecology project and, as a result, you may be a united work at some point on uh organizing.

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These repositories that you can.

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Explore their stuff that kind of report to the whole team.

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Later about like how we're gonna branch machines hurt the mutate machines and how and the whole lifecycle modules, bring complexities and.

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Because there are some branching possibilities that we have already explored and that can work for you as well. You can have different branches with different versions, so we just need to teach people how to branch and how to have a branch policy yeah.

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Yep yeah, the part that I do like is having some standards of how we go about doing various branching or whatever we're doing I mean just standardizing the workflows, which is critical for a cultural understanding. Of that I mean people have to understand that yep, so John.

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You know so that's the most important thing you you stay with. You can also migrate from github to our to our posts, to our chance to our possibilities like get lab, which is open source, but it doesn't have all the it is more complex to use grid lab than here. That's why Geetha with adapt adopted massively, but in any case we we use github, because you have a way of of getting out of it. You know, especially because your work toward ease, which is the most important.

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You know coming in real quick. The kind of you guys connect a little bit. You know with github, that's kind of what Martin was telling about. Is that a transparent tool and interface to get to make it easier for people to understand and use git?

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You know and I think we all know that touch point, that it's a crit to really easy interface and user interface to interacting with get storing the data and all the rest. But you know to you know your your other point here.

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It's there's, there's plenty of opportunities to decentralize that take away from the Cameo and our own repository, and you know, have our own servers and hosts to get. The victor is to your point: Russell. There's a migration plan. You can, we can at any time just migrate or repository somewhere else or something happens. Github. That's that's easy enough, but you know yeah and you're right about the risks there and you'll identify risk. Frozen's expressing is ya, lose that easy interface to that lose the hosting.

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Can always I mean that you're.

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Bringing up some stuff and, like the details of you, know, implementation.

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Of this so I mean I've been.

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Definitely put on the table for designing this system is okay, we have github, but maybe for security. You want to have a replicated verification of our Gantt repository on OS C own infrastructure, aside from github owned infrastructure, and that's something that's doable. So that's a good point. Yeah the.

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Good point: okay, I, think the point Rousillon is making that's pretty good is those features that are especially missing.

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From github or sorry from gitlab are also those features that we do not get to export if something goes south is that this therefore.

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The question Judith.

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Right so, therefore, the question would be if that is the case, and we want to you know kind of be secure from the get-go. Why not go to get lab in the first place? Perhaps I.

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Mean I do like that idea: I mean I, don't.

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Like the recent buy up of github by Microsoft and stuff, like that, like we don't love Microsoft.

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Company's always the case Rosa when you use Google Docs. Of course you are giving away something, but if you yeah but that's a risk, you you wisely take or only take, you should think about it. But I don't think personally from the experience, it is a big deal. You win more than what you lose yeah.

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Yeah once we keep your sources, we have we own the data than the day, and you know, even as the subversions may create so many levels, because there even are. If we gather info box back I mean who knows when you want to back up here.

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One dimension of the problem, which I think is fair and the best is to evaluate everything, not just what you're saying which item I personally haven't seen any problem, but when I use it every day. So, let's, let's try in any case.

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Can migrate the issues and other stuff that was.

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Right so maybe I'm ruslan, maybe now you do bring up some points that the idea there is, what are the specific features that.

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It github has that may be missing in gitlab and looking gitlab on wikipedia that says: they've got like 300 employees, so it's not like they're a bunch of people in the closet somewhere they're a real company, 325 employees.

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But maybe you can do a you know, side-by-side comparison waters that feature that we're concerned about that? Might that github has an git lab may not and how important it is to our workflow, or can we simply get it and get away with all the workflows that are already found in gitlab I mean I do like definitely we.

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Want to support.

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Open licenses, whenever possible, Bruce no, can you maybe do that.

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Inform us, let's make a informed decision. Okay, what does what's missing in the get lab? Is it appropriate.

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You can join up with John and then start understanding the features that we're looking for and then again.

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We're now, because we know it's not happy.

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Signs like we'll see so John.

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So you're gonna: what do you think we go right to github, or should we try with get lab in parallel or or wasted effort, or what yeah.

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You know I yeah I, think like just having a you know. New rezulin brings up it's just always like you know it's icao, it's convenient to go with some very established. It's working, it's open gets there, but I'm thinking, I mean yeah. I mean we making one decision over another I mean you can always have break it down. It's not a Gantt chart, let's call engineering, but um all the time. It's you play out a priorities. A si si compares like he called it. A value chart side selecting one product over another.

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So there you can define what we're looking for see what this house, what features it has and that'd be great.

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I guess kind of when the residence points there. We can design something like that and we cannot. You know hose that.

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Send that off to you and you can we're.

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Kind of together filling.

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And I'll show hey your different advantages.

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And disadvantages, but uh you know for me I, like he said as far as effort I'm like well. Well, there are options. Are there for open source?

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You know version control, I, don't know of any other options and we're just talking about different repository tools and really for me de Grasse and B. You know throughout this day, I just guess. As long as you have the source you.

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Know, in my opinion,.

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You're, fine, if you have the source or your code, didn't have that control mean you're in a good spot and, as you evaluate I, think miss Jose was saying you always will find out. Okay, yeah, it doesn't work around that you get laughs or you grab that you. This host Amy will be able to decide that, as we can as a part of the results of the evaluation process,.

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Sounds good to me, okay, so, let's, let's try it John and see see what we learned from the processes we. So we start going with github and then then we'll see like okay is this meeting our needs is: do we want to do get lab and so forth so yeah, let's start learning about it? Yes, but definitely upgrading our workflow process to definitely definitely we're open to do that. So, okay! Well, let's um yeah!

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Okay, the more so! Let's see, let's see, do we want to so.

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When Alice, do you want to update us what I.

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What I've done since I.

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If you have see there, I've seen the videos and I also created bear with the druggie, mmm he actually cut. This drop in with her sensing keep.

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I have not oh my youtube. You know placed under a box from YouTube I.

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I will put the link in my second and I also took the face off from your press. The CB press and I stopped because I'm gonna build it soon. I make the card prepared, you know best practices, nice, fine, stop work and I'm using the 0:17, because it has meat element, analysis, the 16 doesn't work and the last one is i5. Processor and I am actually fabricated right now, these days and I dive into hydraulics I have.

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Understanding now and I'm approved and yeah, that's it.

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What's the best place to fall like YouTube like well, what do you post on your progress.

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I think so, I'm gonna show you to my personal page on my progress. Now it's on my own day there, together with the ping I just everything.

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Yeah most of my job when I was everything.

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This is some old business from the plasma.

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And some, and here are some videos of the of the graphene in practice they file the video files are at around. No, it's not a bit, they are not edited, so maybe you have to go a little forward or back.

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Which my pasting, that repo sorry, can you paste that link to the github repo in the chat box as well? So we have that in the notes.

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Yeah cause I got you.

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That firewood processor.

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Yeah for the yep just for the general repo, so yeah, I'm, goin, okay, that's cool! Take a look at that! What are your opinions on? Okay? So so to make it known that, like.

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You know how do you follow something? The question is always like for me: okay, there's a lot of these open-source projects. How do we know what's going on? What are your thoughts on? How do we have that meta structure? For how do you get oriented? Do you just say? Okay, here's go Commons and we just see a bunch of different projects or, but the most interesting part is the discussion.

E

You know what Scott is using, so we first started with of you know, and now we are using an extension.

E

F

And what does it implement? The scrum is a service on top of that implement scrum. You know some dedicate the scrum project board, which gives you all kind of services. Notifications is it's a kind of custom sation of github project words preparing boards into the scrum framework, but that's that's basic. It's also. The same is just issues, organizing a board. You know.

C

F

Yeah I'm again.

C

F

Are on weekend, yeah yeah.

C

I mean that's also.

F

C

I mean that's yeah I'm. You.

A

Know what I'm seeing here is a significant barriers to somebody learning I mean I, appreciate.

L

Any way it goes from me alright, but.

F

Again also deep yeah.

L

Thing is that for a new user, because that's I think that's important for whoever.

F

We can also teach the console. That's how I started with my own is just show it to teach in the console itself. So it's.

C

F

Something that is it's important to learn anyway, because you need to move them to give.

L

Yeah, the thing is that it gets complicated if you want to dive in too deep I have so much control so yeah there are so many commands you have to learn, but when you use it you use it don't need to stuff a few basic. You know check out the plants how to change branches motion. That's it no need for next.

L

You know access users, okay,.

A

Yeah yeah: let's see.

A

By using it okay, so let's let's actually move on over here, so the last thing so Eric do you have any updates your son, no.

H

A

Dan- let's, let's see it maybe later we could hear work from from Alex and Sarah advantage today here so I saw a new Fellows scepter, the immersion program, so they're coming here in ten days, but Alex and sorry, would you like to say a word to introduce yourself what you know how you found this meeting today.

A

If you are trying to speak, we can't hear you you're, both muted, a it looks like.

A

Speak up if you like, but so we're gonna meet. Actually so as far as the immersion farm girls, we're gonna have our first meeting this Friday with all the all the people, all of our people, to get aligned and organized and introduced ourselves to do it today to each other. That's coming coming up on Friday this week we're trying to go for a 1 p.m. meeting. If we can, let's see so.

D

Yeah, this is pretty good. We.

A

Had a plenty of people show up today, so as a that's, that's pretty good I think we definitely want to try getting into this. The key is how how easy can make the documentation and then simple, simple or follicle, if you can simplify it to the most essential elements that we can eventually beat out the wiki, because right now we use the wiki and we use we embed scrum boards, which mean it works. I think it's! If you have.

C

A understand the concept.

A

Of editing a wiki or embedding things in a wiki, that's all you need outside of you know, I think that could possibly work, but we'll see what what would the so-called proper tools work, how they they work themselves so we'll just dive into it and see see what happens so yeah. So thank you, everybody for for the time here. So, let's reconvene the next next week, 2 p.m. same time yeah and we'll continue the discussion and more progress on getting right up to the moving program and boot camp.

A

So, as present we've got about 17 people signed up for the boot camp, including the immersion program people. So that's gonna be a really wild event coming up on the 25th, so it's gonna be excellent and we'll learn a lot and I will learn a lot of myself and.

C

How this, how we can start scaling the the processes that we're using so.

A

Yeah well thanks everybody we'll talk talking in next week and this is recorded so I'm gonna post a meeting as soon as I get it up to YouTube. So thanks everybody and we'll we'll talk next week and thanks especially our guests, Jose Morales, for updating us as well and welcome to the new people so take care. Everybody yeah.

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