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A
Pretty
well
pretty
well
crazy,
crazy
life.
That
is
that's
normal.
Do
you
mind
if
I
record
this
as
well,
because
I
like
to
keep
keep
recording
on
my
side
as
well?
Oh
yeah,
of
course,
yeah.
B
You're
totally
welcome
to
record
it
if
you
can
otherwise
like
on
zoom
I'll
record
it,
and
I
can
also
send
it
over
to
you.
A
B
A
I
did
I
did.
I
got
up
to
a
phd
in
physics.
B
Oh,
that's
certainly,
some
level
of
college.
A
A
B
B
Wow,
that's
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
long
road
to
finding
out
that's
useless,
and
you
know
it's
it's
really.
I'm
you
know
I
just
like
love.
The
sort
of
you
know
the.
I
always
look
at
sort
of.
What
could
the
results
of
something
be?
You
know
what
could
be
the
what
could
be
like
sort
of
a
10x
multiplying
factor
that
could
dramatically
change
the
way
we
live.
A
A
A
Real
solutions,
one
thing
we're
actually
working
on
is
in
the
house
project
to
deliver
an
affordable
house.
I
can
talk
more
about
that,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
shifted
to
like
next
year,
we're
going
to
do
this
major
major
project
on
affordable
housing
that
you
can
basically
a
thousand
square
foot
house
that
you
can
build
with
a
friend
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
a.
B
Week,
wow
yeah.
I
love
that
I'd
love
to
hear
about
that.
What
do
you
have
anything
else
on
the
horizon
that
you'd
like
to
speak
about?
You
know
on.
A
Our
talk
today,
that's
the
main
thing
on
the
immediate
horizon,
but
also
there's
we're
also
doing
one
remote
steam
camp
next
month.
So,
actually,
when
would
this
thing
get
published?
When
would
this
podcast
be
published.
A
So
that'll
be
time
because
next
month
we're
going
to
run
a
remote
steam
camp
where
we're
going
to
ship
out
kits
so
that
people
build
their
own
3d
printer
and
build
their
own
microcontroller
and
experiment
with
3d
printed.
Electric
motors
things
like
that.
B
We're
shipping,
the
kits
okay,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
yeah
got
it
okay,
very
cool,
that's
awesome!
I
love
that
all
right
and
then
do
you
have
a
hard
deadline
at
five
o'clock
or
is
there.
B
B
Beautiful
all
right,
let's,
let's
dive
in
I'll,
say,
hey
marcia,
thanks
for
joining
us
and
we'll
be
live.
A
B
Also,
one
last
thing
I'll
mention
that
if
we,
if
you
do
notice
it
like,
if
the
you
know,
if
we
get
a
little
choppy
throughout,
you
know
if
we
see
some
internet
issues,
sometimes
if
I
see
that
I
may
cut
the
video
and
you're
welcome
to
do
so
as
well.
That
way,
we
can
just
preserve
bandwidth
on
the
audio.
A
B
B
A
Yeah
so
I
started
open
source
ecology,
so
we've
got
a
project
called
we're
working
on
a
global
village.
Construction
set,
it's
essentially
a
set
of
the
50
different
machines.
It
takes
for
modern
life
to
exist,
that
we
create
an
open
source
and
develop
that
so
that
people
can
apply
that
to
any
kind
of
purpose
like
starting
a
business,
a
small
farm
or
any
other
enterprise,
but
basically
open.
The
greater
picture
of
this
is
developing
collaborative
methods
where
we
develop
real
plot
products
in
a
collaborative
way.
A
So
if
you,
if
you
haven't
seen,
do
look
at
look
at
the
four
minute
ted
talk
that
summarizes
this,
but
we
build
things
like
tractors,
circuit
makers,
bread,
ovens
and
all
all
the
different
things
that
are
required
to
lead
a
modern
standard
of
living.
So
it's
a
it's
completely
open
source,
so
you
can
download
the
blueprints
and
build
things
like
tractors
or
houses.
B
It's
incredible:
I'm
looking
right
now,
there's
like
a
grid
image
of
all
the
different
machines,
and
it's
it's
quite
remarkable
to
to
think
about
what
could
be
possible
with
sort
of
these
starting
points,
for
you
know
the
building
blocks
for
modern
life.
How
did
you
get
to
this
point?
What
was
in
your
background
that
led
you
to
you
know
even
getting
to
this
idea
and
putting
so
much
energy
and
effort
into
this
project.
It's
been
almost
two
decades
decades
now,
right.
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah
almost
a
decade,
so
started
in
2004
on
actual
idea.
Now
what
was
this
about?
So
my
background
is
came
from
poland
when
I
was
10
my
father's,
a
scientist.
I
always
thought
about
good
things
to
do
with
science.
So
then
I
pursued
that
I
pursued
chemistry
in
college
and
then
actually
physics.
I
got
up
to
a
physics
phd,
but
I
really
discovered
that
I
was
useless
and
I
didn't
have
the
practical
skills.
A
The
as
the
farther
I
went
in
my
my
schooling,
the
less
useful
I
felt
I
was
in
terms
of
making
impact
on
pressing
world
issues,
so
I
started
the
project
now
during
the
college
time.
What
really
changed
me
was
the
just
observing
how
things
work.
So
I
studied
fusion
energy,
it's
the
stuff
that
goes
on
in
the
sun,
the
source
of
all
energy.
We
get
on
earth
so
we're
trying
to
create
fusion
on
earth.
But
when
I
looked
into
it
more
and
more,
it
was
and
the
farther
I
went
in
the
research.
A
We
were
doing
things
that
didn't
have
applications
immediately
and,
and
it
didn't
seem
like
this-
would
solve
any
issues
and
even
in
the
classes
you
I
went
to
a
professor
once
asking
about
this
long
equation.
I
saw
and
and
asking
well
what
does
this
really
mean
that
this
is
so
abstract
and
I
was
told
that
well,
this
actually
doesn't
exist.
I
just
made
it
up
and
it's
things
like
that,
where
we're
studying
such
abstract
things
in
our
in
our
curriculum,
but
there
are
real
pressing
world
issues.
A
So
I
wanted
to
do
something
about
that
and
and
after
observing
that
we
don't
really
collaborate
in
in
academia.
Even
I
mean
I
could
not
talk
openly
about
the
work
that
I
was
doing,
because
we
had
some
hot
material.
I
mean.
Obviously,
if
you
reveal
your
your
work
to
somebody,
they
publish
papers,
they
get
funding
in
front
of
you
that
kind
of
competitive
deal.
A
So
the
deal
was.
I
couldn't
talk
openly
about
what
I
was
doing
and
I
felt
that
was
such
a
waste
and
I
started
envisioning
what
it
would
look
like
if
we
truly
collaborated
and
did
things
in
a
different
way,
and
someone
introduced
me
to
linux
at
one
point
in
a
college
career
and
I
was
like
wow,
this
is
a
different
operating
system.
It's
not
windows
or
mac.
It's
a
thing
you
can
download
for
free.
You
can
modify
it,
you
can
do
what
you
want
and-
and
it's
even
free
so
my
mind-
was
open.
A
B
That's
incredible
and
it's-
and
it
is
so
interesting
to
think
about
how
the
the
structure
of
academia
sort
of
creates
that
environment
creates
sort
of
a
bubble
where
collaboration
is
not
highly
encouraged
because
of
how
competitive
it
is.
People
spend
their
entire
careers
trying
to
make
some
sort
of
breakthrough
that
gets
them.
You
know
grants
and
funding
for
future
projects.
It's
it's
a
shame
that
that's
the
situation,
but
I'm
glad
that
you
know
you're
able
to
break
out
of
that,
and
you
know
dive
into
this
world
of
open
sourced.
A
Yeah
and
and
then
one
of
the
things
to
find
out
about
open
source
like
a
lot
of
open
source
projects,
there's
limits
there
too,
in
that
a
lot
of
people
will
go
off
into
a
corner
and
work
on
something
for
a
long
time
and
then
publish
the
results.
That's
open
source,
but
it's
also
not
collaborative
so
so
like
when
you.
When
you
talk
about
open
source,
you
want
to
make
the
distinction
that
okay
is
it
open
source,
but
it's
also
collaborative
as
well.
Those
two
things
are
really
critical.
A
In
the
last
last
couple
of
years,
we
we've
been
just
looking
at
just
finding
out
getting
amazed
at
how
little
true
collaboration
exists,
because,
even
if
you
have
some
open
source
project,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
can
collaborate
with
them
or
they
will
help
you
to
build
upon
it
whatever.
So
I'm
in
this
this
game
for
life.
B
A
To
this
point,
actually
it
boils
down
to
things
like
so
I
come
from
poland
and
actually
my
my
grandmother
was
in
a
concentration
camp.
My
grandfather
was
in
the
polish
underground
derailing
german
supply
trains.
So
we
had
that
culture
where
war
was
part
of
our
reality
and
then
communism,
and
then
I
came
to
america.
It's
like
whoa.
A
Why
does
one
country
just
have
it
all
in
another
place
doesn't
like
what
is
the
difference
and-
and
that
made
me
think
that
well,
material
resources
are
abundant,
they're
common
in
many
many
places,
all
the,
because
all
the
wealth
that
we
have
in
today's
society
comes
from
natural
resources
right.
So
why
is
it
that
some
places
have
it
some
places?
Don't
so
I
I
was
thinking
that
yeah,
it's
about
how
we
the
operating
system,
on
top
of
those
resources,
your
politics,
your
economics,
the
way
we
collaborate.
A
How
does
that
really
work?
And
that's-
and
so
I
started
thinking
that.
Well,
if
we
collaborate
openly
and
share
that
knowledge,
then
we
can
bring
everybody
up,
and
that
was
the
simple,
simple
equation
you
can
have:
either
deprivation
or
absolute
prosperity
for
everybody
and
also
knowing
just
basics
of
physics.
It's
like.
We
know
that
there's
10
000
times
more
power
that
comes
from
the
sun
that
we
use
than
we
use
today,
even
with
fossil
fuels.
So
there's
like
plenty
of
energy
plenty
of
materials.
B
I
gotcha
and
for
for
the
blueprints
that
you
actually
came
up
with
what
was
the
what
was
the
process
of
of
narrowing
these
down.
I
can
imagine,
like
it'd,
be
an
overwhelming
place
to
start
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
most
fundamental
technologies
to
make.
You
know
modern
life
possible.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
basically
it
was
a
it's
actually,
a
page
on
the
wiki
people
can
look
that
up.
It's
called
a
product
selection
metric,
but
essentially
it
was
any
any
industry
or
any
product
that
had
at
least
like
a
billion
dollar
market
that
was
fundamentally
important
to
okay.
How
do
we
get
our
housing,
our
food,
our
transportation,
our
energy
and
go
through
the
list
of
known
available
technology?
So
this
is
not
about
inventing
anything
new.
A
This
is
just
saying:
let's
open
source,
those
tools
to
make
life
easier
for
everybody,
so,
but
also
it
came
from
a
bootstrapping
perspective
as
well
as
soon
as
I
got
out
of
the
college
got
onto
a
piece
of
land
in
missouri,
30
acres,
and
I
found
that
my
tractor
broke,
so
I
bought
a
tractor.
Then
it
broke,
I
paid
to
get
it
repaired.
Then
it
broke
again
and
I
found
I
was
I
was
out
of
luck.
A
I
noticed
that
the
tools
are
not
available
to
make
it
happen.
So
so
the
first
thing
I
noticed
it's.
Okay,
I
need
a
tractor,
so,
let's
design
a
tractor,
I
need
a
place
to
live.
So
I
designed
the
the
3d
3d
printer,
the
the
brick
press,
the
the
brick
press
to
press
soil
blocks
from
the
earth,
so
the
brick
press
and
the
tractor
was
some
of
the
first
first
tools,
but
basically
going
through
what
are
the
the
main
tools?
A
Yeah
ultimate
vision,
it
kind
of
is
really
about
how
we
have
prosperity
in
america
or
an
advanced
world.
I
mean,
of
course,
there's
disadvantage
of
spots
everywhere,
but
getting
the
the
material
security
out
of
the
equation
of
human
existence
so
that
we
can
focus
on
what's
truly
important
to
us.
So
right
now,
most
of
us
are
still
in
one
mental
framework,
we're
all
stuck
working
on
our
nine
to
fives.
A
Instead
of
doing
the
things
that
are
that
we're
really
passionate
about
and
and
even
in
the
west,
most
of
us
are
still
pursuing
things
that
aren't
necessarily
are
best
interests
like
more
than
50
of
people
in
this
country,
don't
like
their
jobs.
Things
like
that.
So
it's
to
address
that
issue
of
of
having
the
time
by
removing
the
survival
element
from
the
equation
and
then
making
it
life
easy.
So
we
focus
on
what's
really
important.
A
That's
kind
of
the
end
state
there's
details
on
how
that
could
play
out,
but
the
philosophical
viewpoint
is:
let's
free
ourselves
from
the
toil
of
survival,
which
you'd
think
we
would
be
there
already,
but
that
that
myth
of
technology
is
still
here.
It's
like
we've
got
the
most
outstanding
and
amazing
technology
around
us,
but
most
people
are
still
so
busy
and
not
really
focused
on
what's
important
to
them.
B
Yeah
and
so
so
you're
saying
that
a
lot
of
people
are
more
focused
on
trying
to
you
know,
get
the
products
that
they
need
to
survive,
or
you
know
replace
by
just
purchasing
outright.
You
know
the
new
this
or
that,
rather
than
focusing
on
living,
you
know
or
wholesome
life
with
the
people
around
them.
A
Well,
it's
it's!
It's
about.
The
cost
of
living
like
the
cost
of
living
is,
is
tremendous
and
and
you
you
have
to
go
to
work
so
that
you
can
put
a
roof
over
your
head
and
food
on
your
table.
I
mean
that's
still,
if
you
think
about
that.
It's,
like
the
primitive
state
of
survival
from
millennia
ago
you're,
just
trying
trying
to
survive
and
right
right
now.
We've
got
ipads
and
computers
to
make
life
better,
but
I
mean
it's
still
too
much.
Time
is
spent
on
just
that
equation
of
making
a
living.
B
Yeah
yeah,
it's
it's
interesting!
I
I
was
actually
just
thinking
this
last
night
about
how
you
know
in
our
modern
world.
We
we
think
we
have.
You
know
many
luxuries,
that
you
know
hundreds
of
years
ago.
You
know
they
they
would
only
dream
of.
You
know
a
lot
a
lot
of
times
you
know
or
or
it's
interesting
to
compare
it
to
maybe
like
a
serfdom
kind
of
setup
in
you
know
europe.
You
know
hundreds
of
years
ago,
where
you
know
someone
would
be
given
a
certain
plot
of
land
to
work
out.
B
Land
and
you'd
have
to
you
know,
give
away
a
portion
of
your
crops.
Then
you
could
survive
off
a
portion
of
the
crops
and
you
know
living
that
kind
of
lifestyle
seems
now.
When
you
look
back,
it
seems
like
so
barbaric
and
then
the
more
that
you
think
about
the
way
that
we
live
today,
where
many
people
are
taking
out,
you
know
30-year
mortgages
on
a
home
and
they
go
to
some.
You
know
they
go
to
a
job
where
they're,
mostly
you
know
doing
maybe
some
sort
of
digital
work.
B
Some
sort
of
knowledge
work
to
you
know,
earn
the
income
needed
to
just
pay
for
their
cell
phone
bill
pay
for
their
electricity
pay
for
their
mortgage
pay
for
all
these
variety
of
things,
where
they
never
really
get
out
from
underneath
that
sort
of
setup.
They
do
that,
for
you
know,
30
years
or
whatever,
until
they
eventually
start
to
own
some
things,
but
then
you
know
oftentimes.
The
best
part
of
their
life
may
have
already
passed
them
by
yeah,
and
it's
strange
to
think
that
you
know
in
the
modern
era.
A
Yet
because
of
the
way
we
structure
society,
it's
so
complex
and
the
way
it's
designed,
the
wealth
is
extracted
and
typically
leads
to
still
the
the
bad
distribution
of
wealth.
That
kind
of
situation
is
very
well
with
us.
So
what
do
we
do
about
that?
So
we
talk
about.
Let's
reskill
people,
let's
avail
the
tools
of
productivity
to
everybody,
so
that
we
don't
have
this.
A
If
all
the
cities
made
all
the
things
that
they
used,
that
they
consumed
so
basically,
the
distribution
of
power
from
the
the
centralized
state
of
today
to
a
much
more
distributed,
one
which
is
actually
more
efficient
and
better
for
people
and
people
have
time
and
the
ability
to
decide
what
they
really
want
to
do,
not
not
like.
Oh,
I
need
a
job,
you
know.
A
No,
I
think
we
need
to
on
job.
We've
got
the
amazing
technology,
but
it's
it's
definitely
shortcomings
to
how
we're
using
it
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
issue
with
people
obtaining
their
sense
of
freedom
or
liberty,
and
right
now
like
if
you
turn
that
into
the
political
scene
right
now.
Basically,
one
of
the
things
that
are
happening
is
you've
got
this,
this
intellectual
class
and
the
worker-class
kind
of
deal.
I
mean
where
the
people,
the
intelligent
people,
the
privileged
people,
have
so
much.
A
They
don't
work
with
their
hands
anymore.
They
don't
produce
anything,
so
they
they
live
in
this
virtual
world,
like
college,
teaches
us
that,
if
we're
on
a
topic
of
college,
but
then
we
find
we're
so
far
removed
from
like
very
basic
survival,
and
then
we
relegate
all
the
dirty
jobs
to
to
the
to
create
this
polarization
in
an
economic
system
where
it's,
where
it's
like
the
working
class
versus
the
elite
class
kind
of
deal.
A
That's
that's
right
now,
causing
a
lot
of
troubles.
Yeah.
B
A
B
B
B
So
polyface
farm-
and
we
were
talking
about
that
exact
thing
where
you
know
he
has
people
that
there's
almost
like
digital
refugees
coming
into
his
you
know
apprenticeship,
programs
and
working
with
their
hands
and
building
something
tangible
for
the
first
time
in
their
lives
that
it's
it's
such
a
you
know,
wave
of
relief
and
joy
for
them
that
you
know
most
modern
people
just
don't
get
from
their.
You
know
digital
knowledge
based
jobs
that
you
know
don't
really
provide
that
level
of
satisfaction
anymore.
A
B
Of
like
these
micro
environments,
where
we
could,
I
have
that,
how
do
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
is:
how
do
we
deliver
the
yeah?
How
do
you,
where
did
the
materials
come
from
in
the
first
place?
You
know,
obviously,
for
most
of
our
modern
luxuries
are
apart.
Some,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
mining
economic
structure
of
pulling
these
materials
out
of
the
ground.
B
So
how
did
the
materials
get
to
the
you
know
to
the
people
in
the
first
place
and
outside
of
the
hands
of
you
know,
typically
in
some
sort
of
mining
situation,
you
need
government
behind
it,
you
need,
you
know,
funding
to
pull
those
materials,
you
need
investments,
and
then
you
need
to
distribute
those
to
large
industries.
Who
can
you
know
do
something
with
those
materials,
those
raw
materials
to
make
them
into
more
usable
parts?
So
where?
How?
How
do
we
distribute
that
end
of
the
let's
say,
supply
chain,
yeah.
A
A
You
would
still
need
operations
like
that
and,
if
you
have
say,
maybe
the
mega
mega
mines
they
can
be
distributed
to,
like,
interestingly,
like
just
to
give
you
one
example,
so
we're
we're
developing
osc
chapters
of
open
source,
ecology
in
different
locations,
and
so
right
now
we're
we're
working
on
one
in
south
africa
and
very
interestingly
there,
the
guy
actually
started
a
mine
to
refine
chromium
metals.
It's
like
so
it's
so
that's
an
example.
A
Yes,
that
kind
of
stuff
still
will
exist
and
it
can
exist
on
different
scales,
so
we
can
do
it
on
a
large
scale
or
a
small
scale.
It's
it's
doable
now,
as
far
as
you
can
also
tap
into
the
recycling
stream.
So
when
we
talk
about
cities
that
produce
all
that
they
need
a
lot
of
that
could
come
from
the
circular
economy,
where
there's
better
built
up
infrastructure
for
cyclic
material
flows.
So,
for
example,
the
metals
you
can
melt
back
down
in
a
foundry
system
or
or
furnaces
looks
like
we.
A
A
B
So
right,
when
we
were
talking
about
how
to
distribute
the
you
know,
sort
of
the
mega
mines,
you're
gonna
mention
something
we
can
just
start
up
there
and
we'll.
Let's.
A
All
together,
let's
start
with
that
megamines,
let's
take
steel,
a
super
common
element.
Well,
that
has
to
be
mined
if
it's,
but
if
it's
already,
if
you
take
the
example
of
steel,
if
it's
already
mined,
then
you
can
talk
about
circular
supply
chains.
Where
then
you
build
in
the
foundry
system
or
then
the
furnaces
that
melted
back
down
just
like
in
a
sense
of
recycling,
so
we
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
earth
to
dig
out
more.
A
We
can
do
more
of
that
and
that's
the
circular
economy
concept,
but
there's
no
no
evil
to
doing
that.
Like
say
mining
as
long
as
you're
being
I
mean,
because
we
got
to
have
some
resources,
but
you
want
to
do
it
responsibly,
so
maybe
not
like
large
scale
strip
mining
for
coal.
What?
If
okay
so
now
take
the
coal
example?
What,
if
in
a
future
economy,
we're
developing
technology
to
the
point
that
hydrogen
energy
is
feasible,
so
we're
splitting
water
instead
of
burning
coal,
we're
burning
water
or
burning
hydrogen
that
comes
from
water.
A
A
Instead
of
huge,
centralized
animal
feeding,
operations
like
joel
salatin
yeah,
so
there's
there's
different
ways
of
doing
things,
and
the
idea
is
that
you
distribute
that
more
and
have
more
places
build
up
the
knowledge
set,
because
it's
really
that's
technology
technology
is
the
knowledge
set
that
allows
you
to
take
those
abundant
resources
that
are
everywhere
and
turn
them
into
your
modern
standard
of
living.
So
just
like
right
now,
we,
for
example,
have
a
hard
time.
A
We
are
really
reevaluating,
whatever
we're
shipping
from
china
before
safe
to
make
tractors
or
3d
printers
like
we're
going
to
stop
that.
It's
like,
let's
build
more
from
the
ground
up
and
that's
that's
what
the
call
for
open
source
collaborative
technology
is
that
that
knowledge
becomes
available
everywhere.
So
not
just
one
good
company
makes
the
best
product
and
competes
and
hides
it
and
patents
it,
but
everyone
has
access
to
it,
so
you
can
raise
the
bar
get
the
quality
up,
get
the
cost
down
and
another
big
factor
is
like
we
talked
about.
A
You
mentioned
about
black
boxes,
that
you
don't
know
how
anything
works.
Well,
if
you
do
know
how
to
how
things
work,
if
they're
made
locally-
and
you
can
keep
them
alive
forever-
you
can
repair
it,
you
can
recycle
it
and
therefore
the
lifetime
design
aspect
comes
out
of
this
more
benign
economic
form
based
on
open
source
design.
B
It's
it's
an
amazing
thing,
because
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
it
seems
like
it
would
improve
everyone's.
You
know,
or
the
people
that
live
this
way,
improve
their
overall
satisfaction
with
life,
but
the
it.
It
appears
to
me
that
the
the
biggest
obstacle,
the
biggest
hurdle
is,
you
know
it's
it's
shifting
people's
values
and
shifting
the
overall.
The
way
that
business
works
in
the
united
states
to
you
know
betray
the
bottom
line.
You
know
it
seems
like
we
have.
B
A
Right
and
the
comment
on
that
is
it's
when
I
first
started,
I
thought
that
well,
maybe
it's
like
why
don't
we
have
this
amazing
prosperity
everywhere
on
the
planet?
I
thought.
Well.
Maybe
the
technology
is
not
good
enough,
so
I
started
building
this
stuff
and
I
found
that
industrial
productivity
can
be
achieved
on
a
small
scale
like
the
there
is
no
limit
to
the
kinds
of
things
you
can
do,
especially
with
modern
age,
digital
fabrication,
3d,
printing
cnc
machines,
and
all
that
there's,
that's
not
the
issue.
A
The
issue
is
our
mindset,
and
that
is
that
competitive
mindset,
the
lack
of
we
call
it
collaborative
literacy,
but
idea
of
can
we
work
together
with
others?
Can
we
actually
share?
Can
we
take
on
a
mindset
where
we
we
base
our
business
models,
not
on
scarcity
or
on
creating
scarcity,
because
right
now
the
status
quo?
Is
we
create
business
models
that
enforce
artificial
scarcity?
A
B
I
understand
that
yeah,
it's
and,
and
how
about
in
relation
to
you
know
like
if
you're
able
to
produce
goods
cheaper-
and
you
know
every
day
people
are
able
to
produce
these
goods.
It's
like
how
do
you,
you
know
convince
people
of
the
quality
over
the
quality
of
what's
manufactured
by
some.
You
know
a
specialist
or
a
brand
that
produces
that
full
time.
A
Yeah,
you
would
have
to
I
mean,
as
far
as
the
open
source,
so
so,
let's
clarify
that
open
source
is
a
development
method.
So
it's
a
collaborative
development
method,
but
idea
is
that
you
would
have
to
get
all
those
things
in
place
as
well.
Like
say:
we
start
producing
diesel
engines,
they
have
to
be
certified
and
proven
and
quality
controlled.
So
you
build
that
all
that
infrastructure.
A
But
if
you
open
source,
all
the
blueprints
documents
and
all
that
you
can,
that
can
actually
help
you
you
you
do
that
through
a
collaborative
process,
so
you
still
have
to
have
the
the
quality
control
and
all
the
elements
of
what
makes
a
product
work
it,
but
you're
doing
it
in
a
different
way,
where
simply
people
have
access
to
it
and
it's
transparent.
B
I
understand,
and
and
also
one
point
that
we
didn't
touch
on-
is
sort
of
how
you
envision
these
technologies
to
be
buildable
to
more
of
like
a
lego
method
than
the
way
that
we
have
right
now.
Can
you
touch
upon
that.
A
Definitely
so
in
my
ted
talk,
I
mentioned
that
we
built
a
tractor
in
six
days.
Well,
we
actually
did
better.
We
did
one
in
two
days
wow,
and
how
do
you
do
that?
So
the
idea
is,
it's
called
module
based
design
so
think
about
a
tractor
being
made
of
different
modules.
So
there's
the
frame
there's
the
power
unit,
there's
hydraulics,
there's
wheels,
there's
drive,
there's
controls.
A
What
we
do
is
we
we
design
it
such
as
each
of
the
individual
pieces
can
be
built
independently.
So
so
we
do.
Crowd-Based
builds
like
the
tractor.
We
can
take
12
people,
you
know,
say
you
got
six
six
people
in
teams
of
two
working
on
different
parts,
so
you
build
those
individual
parts
and
then
you
assemble
them
rapidly
into
place
at
the
end.
So
it's
it's
the
idea
that
you're
you're
breaking
things
down
into
things
that
you
have
defined,
how
they
fit
together
like
legos.
A
So
to
give
you
another
example,
we
run
extreme
build
workshops
where
the
house
actually
house
that
I
live
in
right
now
that
was
built
by
50
people
in
five
days.
Now,
how
do
you
do
that?
So
you
basically
break
the
house
down
into
bunch
of
four
by
eight
foot
panels.
We
built
all
the
panels
in
the
workshop
and
then
assembled
it
pretty
rapidly.
So
module-based
design
is
the
key
to
some
of
this
lego-like
construction,
which
allows
you
one
much
faster,
build,
but
also
a
construction
set
approach
where
you
can
build
many
different
things
like.
B
It's
incredible
and
I
I
encourage
people
to
I-
I'm
definitely
going
to
be
googling
module-based
design
after
this,
but
just
that
way
of
thinking
in
general
is
so
powerful.
It's
like
the
I
think,
there's
it's
the
principles
of
differentiation
and
integration
right.
The
idea
of,
if
you
know,
understanding
something
fully,
is
being
able
to
understand
it
as
a
whole
and
also
as
its
component
parts
and
knowing
how
those
fit
together
as
a
whole
and.
A
B
You
know
that
that
perspective
on
on
building
and
engineering,
and
especially
you
know,
building
these
kinds
of
tools
is
really
it's
something
else.
It's
really
phenomenal.
Yeah.
A
Yeah
it
does.
The
modular
design
part
is
a
really
good
good
way
to
go,
as
opposed
to
like
this
monolithic
design.
Where
say,
one
part
breaks
you
kind
of
have
to
throw
out
the
whole
thing.
B
A
B
Yeah,
do
you
have
you
have
solar
panels
over
there.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
this
is
the
cdca
home.
I
could
actually
yes
I'll,
send
you
a
link
afterwards,
but
this
is
the
house
we're
off
grid
here,
but
also
connected
to
the
grid
as
well.
So
that's
that's.
Actually
the
kind
of
house
that
we
we'd
be
building
at,
as
I
mentioned,
that
we're
we're
launching
this
kind
of
a
house
model
that
you
can
build
yourself,
we're
launching
that
as
a
major
project
next
year.
B
That's
incredible,
I'm
so
I'm
actually
in
the
solar
industry,
we
were
solar.
You
know,
residential
solar.
You.
B
The
panels
for
many
homes-
and
you
know
it's
very
cool-
I
just
love
the
idea
of
being
off
grid.
I
wish
more
people
could
could
experience.
You
know
that
reality
just
about
the
batteries.
B
Earth,
oh
cool
yeah,
so
you
know
it's
very
much
in
that
same
vein.
There
of
you
know
being
self-sustainable.
You
know
achieving
freedom
from
the
centralized.
You
know
authority
there,
which
for
many
homeowners
is
their
utility
company
with
rising
utility
prices
and
so
forth
every
single
year,
so
yeah
energy
independence
is
a
you
know.
An
amazing
thing.
That's
why
I
love
the
idea,
really
anything
where
people
can
free
themselves
from
the
dramatic,
maybe
like
the
corporate
overlords.
You
know
dealing
with
providing
all
of
your
potential
from
amazon.
B
So
tell
me
about
the
homes,
I'm
very
curious.
I
actually
just
read
an
article
today
about
something
somewhat
similar
where
they're
working
on
building
with
innovative
building
methods.
You
know
a
home
for
twenty
thousand
dollars
or
fifty
thousand
dollars
being
able
to
build
something
for
much
cheaper
than
the
way
homes
are
built
today,
and
that
one
of
the
major
constraints
is
the
zoning
requirements.
B
A
I
knew
so
yes
that
sounds
like
that.
Well,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
so
we
built
this
house
in
a
workshop
setting
50
people
over
five
days,
which
is
that's
pretty
amazing.
I
just
watched
the
video
that
it's
like
day,
one
like
in
one
day
we
can
put
up
all
the
walls
second
day
like
roof
and
then
interior
utilities.
A
It
blows
your
mind,
that's
module-based
design,
but
we're
taking
the
learnings
from
that
and
teaching
people
how
they
can
build
a
thousand
square
foot
house
that
costs
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
they
can
build
themselves
with
a
friend
in
one
week.
So.
A
Yep
so
we're
actually
gonna
host
a
big
collaborative
event
where
we're
to
swarm
on
basically
documenting
all
the
aspects
of
that,
including
the
business
side.
How
do
you
actually
run
a
business
doing
this
thing,
but
I
guess
the
unique
there
is
a
little
catch
to
it
in
the
module
based
design.
The
idea
is
that
we
say:
oh,
you
can
build
this
in
one
week
with
a
single
friend,
but
you
actually
have
to
build
all
the
modules
ahead
of
time.
A
A
It's
also
got
the
off-grid
feature
with
the
pv
panels,
but
basically
the
module-based
design
trying
to
make
it
really
attractive,
we're
actually
doing
a
flat
roof
things
like
that,
but
thousand
square
feet,
that's
something
you
can
definitely
live
in
and
you
can
make
it
smaller.
If
you,
you
want
to
start
with
a
smaller
unit,
we're
building
it
in
modules
of
250
square
feet
so
that
it's
it's
a
manageable
process,
we're
really
working
out
the
details.
We
know
that
we
know
that
this
is
doable.
B
And
how
does
that
work
with
you
know?
Is
it
able
to
meet
the
requirements
of
modern
day
zoning,
because
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
also
in
the
solar
end
of
things.
You
know:
there's
endless
red
tape
to
fight
through
anytime.
Anyone
wants
to
do
construction
on
their
home
or
do
anything
you
have
to
meet
all
these
building
code
requirements,
which
are
you
know,
it's
a
lengthy
amount
of
red
tape.
How
do
you
deal
with
that.
A
There's
so
to
begin
with,
the
house
is
designed
to
be
code
compliant.
Then
the
question
is
okay.
Can
you
meet
the
the
inspection
schedule
on
that,
because,
if
you're
building
these
modules,
like,
for
example,
if
there's
an
inspection
on
in
on
the
house,
wrap
while
the
modules
already
have
the
house
wrap
built
into
them?
So
there's
some
tricks
like
that,
where
you
have
to.
We
don't
know
how
to
do
that.
A
We
haven't
figured
out
exactly
the
details
of
how
that
works,
but
we'll
have
to
work
it
out
so
that
we
basically
design
a
module
such
that
they're
inspectable,
like
I
know
that
you
have
to
do
the
inspect
the
foundation
and
you
gotta
inspect
the
roof.
You
gotta
inspect
the
insulation,
the
framing,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
fit
that
within
the
regular
zoning
process,
the
building
code
process.
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
impossible.
A
You
know
or
something
like
that,
and
then
you
kind
of
might
have
to
phase
that
out
a
little
more,
but
that's
definitely
like
when
we
think
about
it,
that
that
will
be
the
main
challenge
and
we
need
a
lot
of
legal
support
to
pretty
much
first
map
out
exactly
what
the
requirements
are
for
each
location,
because
this
would
be
u.s
wide
yeah
and
if
we
know,
of
course,
that
on
the
coasts
the
zoning
is
is
tougher
in
the
midwest,
it's
easier.
So
we
might.
A
B
B
So
every
single
one
has
their
own
set
of
details
that
must
be
adhered
to,
which
makes
innovation,
for
you
know,
deploying
something
like
house
building
technology
nationwide
incredibly
difficult
because
you're,
it's
unlikely
you're
ever
gonna
be
able
to
create
some
ultimate
structure.
That
is
both
cost
efficient
and
meets
all
the
requirements
of
any
area
in
the
united
states.
Any
any
local
building
codes.
A
A
A
But
when
you
think
about
it
like,
when
you
break
the
house
down
you've
got
a
foundation,
you
got
a
floor,
you
got
walls,
you
got
roof
bathroom
kitchen
utilities,
so,
for
example,
for
the
utilities
that
might
be
challenging
right.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
get
all
the
utilities
throughout
the
house?
Well,
the
answer
for
that
is
it'll
be
a
modular
panel
which
includes
most
of
the
gas
heat
electricity
water
so
that
it's
a
very
manageable
small
thing
and
then,
for
example,
how
do
you
run
electricity
to
all
the
different
rooms?
A
Well,
in
a
floor
plan,
you
have
a
utility
channel
at
the
base
of
the
of
the
walls
that
you
can
put
that
all
in
basically
put
all
your
cabling
in
there
and
if
you
need
to
modify
things,
put
your
outlets
in
there
as
well.
So
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
module
that
you
basically
can
do
just
just
like
that.
In
a
snap
you
don't
have
to
go
like
into
each
each
wall,
module
and
put
in
your
outlets
and
electrical.
B
B
Very
interesting
how
about
how
about
with
plumbing
you
know
another
yeah,
you
know.
One
thing
that
I
found
very
interesting
is:
there's
someone
working
on
sort
of
like
a
waterless,
toilet
and
yeah
that
sort
of
idea,
because
then
you
know
especially
the
united
states,
everyone
is
connected
to
some
sort
of
septic
system
or
to
the
central
water
grid.
You
could
say
how
does
how
do
you
approach.
A
A
We
actually
have
a
bio
digester
in
this
house,
where
we,
we
process
the
water
to
gray
water
level,
and
there
then,
after
that,
you
send
that
outside
into
a
gray
water
leech
field,
but
if
you're
off
grid
you,
we
have
we're
actually
using
that
right
here,
bio
digester,
that
gets
the
waste
both
from
the
kitchen
sink
and
from
the
toilet
processes
all
that
waste
into
great
water
level,
so
that
by
designing
the
sink
and
toilet,
it's
actually
got
some
plumbing
in
there
that
we
use
a
macerating
lift
pump
so
make
it
very
modular,
there's
a
basically
a
pedestal
under
the
toilet
that
sends
all
that
stuff
against
gravity
into
the
biodigester.
A
B
Got
it
and
when
you
say
biodigester
was
that,
like
a
large
furnace.
A
Or
something
it's
a
it's
a
250
gallon
tote
of
water
with
certain
plumbing
that
the
all
the
wastes
go
in
there.
They
decompose,
there's
a
vent
stack,
so
we're
actually
off
gassing
the
gas
right
now
that
would
typically
be
connected
to
a
gas
bag
that
you
can
actually
use
that
for
cooking.
We
haven't
gotten
to
that
phase.
A
Yet
we're
still
like
about
two
years
now
still
testing
and
working
on
a
digester
part
which,
which
is
working,
but
we
haven't
put
in
the
biogas
part,
which
is
another
complication,
we're
not
including
that
in
the
initial
model.
But
if
you
are
going
to
be
off-grid,
you
can
do
this
simple
thing
with
a
leech
field,
where
you
can
process
your
waste
now
the
other
route,
what
we're
going
to
include
in
the
development
for
this
this
house
is
actually
an
incinerating
toilet.
A
So
if
you
have
electricity,
very
cool,
you
can
fry
it
wow
it's
a
basic
idea.
Those
things
are
expensive,
but
once
again
through
open
source,
collaborative
innovation,
we'd
like
to
make
it
so
it's
very
affordable
and
you
can
build
that
with
the
open
source
design.
You
can
build
this
incinerating
toilet
relatively
easily.
That's
the
idea
you
don't
have
to
pay
like
I
don't
know
it's
thousands.
I
don't
know
how
much
these
things
are
there.
A
A
A
B
For
much
much
cheaper
because
we're
so
spoiled
with
our
you
know
plumbing
system,
but
in
other,
if
you
go
to
africa
for
instance,
that
would
be
a
extreme
breakthrough
in
quality
of
life
where
people
are
still
mostly
using
latrines
yeah.
You
know
going
to
the
bathroom
in
a
hole
somewhere,
so
it's
pretty
remarkable
to
think
of
what
the
open
source
or
innovation
could
lead
to.
A
Yeah
innovation,
like
that's
the
whole
point,
with
innovation
on
the
house,
because
we're
making
it
completely
open
and-
and
you
can
collaborate
in
development,
what
about
designing
more
ecological
wastewater
systems
like,
for
example,
have
you
ever
heard
of
the
living
machines?
That's.
A
It's
a
biological
waste
processing
system,
but
but
more
advanced
systems
where
you're
basically
reclaiming
the
waste
and
then
turning
in
into
fertilizer
and
stuff.
That
goes
into
your
garden
to
grow
food
in
a
safe
way.
By
combining
things
like,
we
did
a
also
an
aquaponic
greenhouse
that
could
be
used
like,
for
example,
the
the
gray
water
from
the
biodigest
can
be
feeding,
grow
beds
and
things
like
that
in
an
integrated
food
waste
management
system.
So
we
haven't
gotten
that
to
that
complete
integration.
A
B
It's
amazing
and
one
other
area,
the
home
that
I'm
curious
about
is
you
know,
airflow,
and
you
know
cooling
or
heating,
because
one
thing
that's
interesting
to
me
is
you
know
in
the
modern
world
we
do
so
many
workarounds
and
spend
so
much
money
on
air
conditioning
heating
and
things
like
that,
whereas
you
know
the
more
that
you
study
the
way
that
ancient
people
would
build
structures
or
homes,
they
found
innovative
ways
to
design
a
structure
to
keep
it
cooler.
Keep
it
warm
using.
A
There
yeah
good
design
for
like
cross
flow,
just
passive,
passive.
A
Here
we
have
a,
we
just
have
a
window
air
conditioner
in
the
system,
and
we
have
a
pellet
stove.
We
also
have
we
we
put
in
a
hydronic
system
where
we
have
hot
water
circulating
under
the
floor.
That's
also
you
can
actually
download
that
design.
If
you
want
to
build
an
open
source,
hydronic
stove,
we
have
that
design
fully
documented,
but
yeah
right
now
we're
keeping
it
somewhat
simple
on
that
with
a
pellet
like
for
the
actual
product
release.
A
A
B
Yeah
absolutely,
and
are
you
leaving
some
space
for
a
future
battery
installation.
A
We
have
a
small
battery.
We
just
use
eight
motorcycle
batteries
just
kind
of
like
a
buffer
system,
so
we're
basically
pretty
much
running
with
the
daylight
and
when,
when
it
comes
night,
we
just
connect
to
the
grid,
because
we've
got
a
dual
system
here:
just
transfer
switch,
but
the
eventual
plans
on
that
would
be.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
hydrogen
splitting
water
and
and
we're
definitely
believers
of
the
hydrogen
economy
of
the
future
so
kind
of
push
an
envelope
on
clean
distributed
energy.
A
I
mean,
I
think
hydrogen
is
going
to
be
be
the
future
as
a
clean
burning
fuel
for
everything,
from
cooking
to
transportation,
so
eventually
we'd
like
to
switch
over
to
that,
but
we're
not
there
yet.
Obviously,.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
too
much
about
hydrogen
compared
to
you
know,
sort
of
the
technologies
of
today
I
mean
I've
seen
a
lot
of
videos
and
resources
about
the
future
of
potentially
a
solid
state
battery.
What
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
on
technology.
A
A
If
you
talk
about
the
physics
underneath
it,
it's
like,
10x,
less
mass
to
to
energy
ratio
like
you
can
just
get
so
much
more
out
of
that
kilogram
of
hydrogen
than
you
can
get
from
that
kilogram
of
battery.
You
know.
So
that's
that's
my
thought
on
it
now,
also,
but
solar
thermal
storage
in
the
form
of
superheated
water,
it's
called
saturated
water.
A
Not
a
lot
of
people
know
about
this,
but
basically
water,
that's
above
100
degrees.
That's
in
a
pressure
vessel
that
also
has
a
very
favorable
energy
density,
but
not
not
as
much
as
not
as
much
as
chemical
energy,
like
hydrogen
or
fossil
fuels
or
whatever
so
batteries
like
we've
got
this
craze
of
batteries
right
now,
but
I
I
don't
put
a
lot
of
hope
in
in
those
as
a
long-term
solution,
like
I
say,
the
lithium,
that's
a
scarce
resource
and
knowing
that
there's
ample
water.
A
For
what
I
mentioned,
the
saturated
water,
storage
and
thermal
energy
storage-
and
you
can
do
solar
concentrator,
where
you're
actually
evaporating
water
and
running
modern
steam
engines
with
that
that
kind
of
technology
like
because
the
water
route
exists
and
the
clean
chemicals
like
hydrogen
exist.
I
don't
think
the
future
is
going
to
be
batteries.
B
A
A
Yeah
yeah
absolutely
so
when
I
was
in
back
in
grad
school
people
used
to
joke
fusion
energy.
So
that's
fusion
is
a
form
of
nuclear.
It's
probably
what
he's
referring
to
it's.
Probably
it's
either
fusion
or
fission,
but
but
the
joke
for
fusion
was
that
it's
oh
it's
10
years
into
the
future.
It
always
was,
and
it
always
will
be.
A
So
that's
my
that's
my
take
on
it.
We
have
the
sun
93
million
miles
away.
Let's
use
that
because
that
gives
us
10
000
times
more
power
than
we
use
today.
There
is
a
fundamental
like
for
anyone
who
wants
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
the
physics.
There
is
a
fundamental
problem
in
nuclear
energies
in
in
that
they
emit
neutrons
and
neutrons
at
the
high
energies
that
they're
produced.
They
make
anything
that
they
come
in
contact
with
radioactive
and
you
cannot
confine
them
with
electromagnetic
fields.
A
So
there's
a
fundamental
problem
that
maybe
someone
gets
an
answer
to
that.
But,
according
to
human
knowledge,
that's
an
intractable
problem
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
won't
come
up
with
something
in
the
future.
But
if
it's,
if
it's
like,
if
you
don't
even
have
a
hope
right
now
that
that
it
can
work,
why
bother?
There's
I
mean
to
me:
there's
just
easier
solutions:
solar,
it's
clean,
you're,
not
gonna.
A
Your
nuts
are
not
going
to
fall
off.
You
get
radioactive,
I
mean!
No,
the
radioactivity
is
a
is
you
cannot
get
around
that
with
nuclear
reactions?
That's
that's
their
nature
and
then
also
some
people
talk
about.
You
know
a
neutronic
reactions
with
reactions
that
do
not
produce
neutrons
in
their
chemistry
and
yeah.
That's
it's
almost
true,
but
you
will
have
some
not
maybe
not
as
much
what
they
call
a
neutronic
means
that
there's
going
to
be
some,
but
not
as
much
as
the
standard
ways.
So
there's
no
such
thing
like
a
0
or
100.
A
B
I
understand
how
far
out
would
you
anticipate
any
sort
of
hydrogen-based
technology
being
readily
available.
A
I
would
say,
10
years,
not
to
say
the
10
years
of
the
fusion
thing
I
mean
it's,
it's
already
doable.
If
you
look
at
so,
let
me
say
like
right
now,
even
if
you
look
at
google
hydrogen
fueling
stations
they're
on
uprise
hydrogen
energy
is
a
thing
that
that
is
a
growing
industry.
Most
people
don't
know
about.
I
think,
we're
kind
of
in
a
battery
craze
these
days,
but
right
now
the
simplest
way
you
can
do
that.
A
A
A
I
just
did
the
math
the
other
day,
but
that
means-
and
a
kilogram
of
hydrogen
is
about
the
equivalent
of
a
gas
gallon
of
gas,
so
you're
talking
63
cents
for
the
energy
cost
to
generate
hydrogen
people,
that's
cheaper
than
the
price
of
gas,
so
you
can
take
that
hydrogen
and
burn
it
in
internal
combustion
engines
which
are
proven
technology.
A
A
lot
of
people
talk
about
fuel
cells,
they're
hard,
let's
just
say,
they're
hard
right
now
you
can
take
hydrogen
that
you
produce
from
your
off-grid
pv
system
at
one
to
two
cents
per
kilowatt
hour
generate
hydrogen,
and
this
is
your
hydrogen
economy
done
now.
Obviously,
there's
a
gap
there
because
that's
not
happening
and
you
can
you
can.
You
can
guess
some
of
the
reasons
why
it's
not
not
the
industry's
interest.
To
make
this
happen,
this
will
come
from
innovative
entrepreneurship.
So
all
the
people
that
don't
know
don't
go
to
college.
B
Of
course,
and
to
put
a
perspective
to
people,
you
know
one
to
two
cents
per
kilowatt
hour
is
a
unbelievably
low
price,
even
in
the
best
markets.
That's
that's
about
5x,
better
than
even
the
best
electricity
markets
in
the
country.
Now
the
average
consumer
in
california
is
paying.
You
know
close
to
25
cents
per
kilowatt
hour.
A
Exactly
crazy,
please
look
at
there
is
the
open
source
pv
system,
page
I'll
I'll,
send
that
but
there's
there's
the
math.
You
can
look
at
my
numbers
and
see
if
you
argue
any
of
them.
This
is
this
is,
I
would
say,
the
biggest
thing
is
people
are
just
not
aware
of
this
math
or
of
this
possibility
or
the
cost
of
pv
panels.
A
This
is
once
again
the
idea
that
we
have
kind
of
lost
touch
with
our
ability
to
build
real
things
and
understand
real
phenomena
here,
we're
too
far
out
into
our
specializations
or
not
really
seeing
the
bigger
picture.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
an
interest
such
an
interesting
time
for
your
business
for
this
project,
because
you
know,
I
think,
as
you
know,
things
get
shaken
up
a
little
bit
yeah,
especially
like
even
in
california
right
now.
It's
bizarre
how
you
know,
there's
rolling
blackouts.
B
You
know
they
kind
of
keep
the
lights
on.
You
know
you
realize
that
we're
much
closer
to
you
know
a
more
you
know,
let's
say
a
much
more
challenging
standard
of
living
than
I
think
people
are
comfortable
with
or
used
to
just
because
of
how
consistently
we've
been.
You
know
experiencing
technological
breakthroughs
and
improvements
that
you
know
it
would
not
take
much
for
these
things
to
sort
of
slip
out
from
underneath
us
with
bad
management.
B
You
know
bad,
you
know,
or
some
sort
of
you
know,
10x
factor
that
could
eliminate
everything
whether
you
know
natural
disaster
or
what
have
you
could
make
the
living
a
much
more
challenging
situation
and
to
have
I'm
glad
that
you're
out
there
doing
this
stuff
making
this
this
project
happen,
so
that
people
can
access
these
tools
access
these
blueprints
and,
ultimately,
you
know,
perhaps
shift
their
focus.
B
A
Yeah
and
the
thing
is
it's
like
you're
saying
you
know
us
doing
that
work,
but
it's
really
about
this
is
the
kind
of
stuff
that,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
do
this
yeah
you
can,
the
idea
is
like
we
can
all
be
incredibly
productive
builders
and
creators,
and
most
of
us
just
have
lost
the
touch
with
that.
I
really
encourage
people
to
to
get
in
touch
with
that
more
skill
up
to
to
start
building
real
things,
because
I
mean
in
my
personal
life
it
was
just
a
complete
transformation.
A
A
I
didn't
even
know
like
private
enterprise
existed,
like
I
could
say,
I
was
pretty
much
enslaved
in
my
own
mind,
but
right
now
it's
like
having
learned
basic
productivity
with
my
own
hands
and
some
technology.
It's
it's
just
such
an
empowering
feeling
that
that,
if
you
think
there's
pro
like
problems,
okay,
energy
crisis
or
housing
crisis-
oh
yeah,
the
government's
gonna
fix
it.
Someone
else
is
gonna
fix
it.
No
it's
up
to
us.
We,
we
are
the
government
here
and
we
are
the
the
authority
and
it's
up
to
us
to
seize
that
power.
B
Yeah,
it's
up
to
the
people
to
be
the
change
makers
to
go
out
there
and
you
know,
innovate
in
these
places.
I
love
the
message
I
believe
in
taking
responsibility
on
yeah
just
about
anything
within
your
realm.
To
do
so,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
times
we
overlook
some
of
the
most
basic
areas
where
we
could
do
that.
Yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
powerful
message
and
a
powerful
way
to
live
yeah
yeah.
So
where
do
you
see
your
or
what?
What
would
probably
ask
this?
B
A
Yeah
we
have
a
long
page
of
getting
involved
from
joining
the
dev
team
to
joining
workshops,
but
it's
like
we're.
Actually,
a
bootstrapping
operation
so
buy
our
products
right
now
we're
selling
3d
printers.
Actually
next
month
we're
running.
It's
called
the
open
source
micro
factory
steam
camp,
where
you
can
learn
how
to
build
your
own
3d
printer.
We
ship
you
the
kits,
build
your
own
printer,
build
your
own
micro
controller,
build
your
own
3d
printed,
electric
motor,
so
we're
all
about
scaling
people
up.
A
So
if
you
want
to
get
involved,
join
our
dev
team,
but
the
biggest
thing
you
can
support
us
with
is
buy
our
products
or,
if
you're,
really
ambitious.
If
you
want
to
live
this,
if
you
want
to
dedic,
we
actually
have
a
way
that
you
can
do
this
full-time,
so
we're
actually
offering
immersion
training
a
mentorship
where
you
can
sign
up
for
an
entire
year
of
of
mentoring,
so
that
you
get
all
this
as
much
of
the
skills
and
techniques
for
starting
ose
chapters
that
do
what
we
do,
which
means
run.
A
B
B
How
how
many
people
do
you
have
sort
of
around
you
right
now.
A
We
don't
we
don't
have
a
a
staff
team,
so
we're
working
on
on
that
right
now,
like
for
the
housing
project
for
next
year,
I'm
gonna
be
looking
at
recruiting
for
full-time
support
staff,
but
basically
just
now
it's
pretty
recent
that
we
started
to
to
do
the
3d
printer
sales
over
the
last
decade.
It's
the
learning
has
been
it's
all.
It's
been
a
lot
about
prototyping
and
developing
things,
but
right
now
it's
turning
this
into
viable
enterprises.
A
So
we
don't
have
a
team
yet,
but
we're
working
on
it
we're
starting
up
the
immersion
training
program
for
others
to
replicate.
We
have
I
mean
if
you
talk
about
full-time
equivalent
staff
and
volunteers,
we've
got
like
four
full-time
equivalent
of
people
who
are
contributing
to
the
different
design
projects
and
and
other
things
right
now,.
A
B
There
are
people
focused
on
it.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
growth
in
the
future
and
I
hope
anyone
listening
is
interested.
You
know
gets
in
contact
and
and
joins
the
movement.
I
think
it's
a
really
cool
thing
and
I
think
also
just
to
be
pessimistic,
but
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
dramatic
shake
up
in
the
next.
B
You
know
whether
it's
10
or
20
years
to
our
modern
way
of
life,
and
I
think
we're
well
positioned
on
the
other
end
to
you
know,
as
people
want
to
reconnect
with
craftsmanship
as
people
want
to
reconnect
with
the
important
things
in
life.
You
know
focusing
on
time.
Freedom.
Liberty,
rather
than
you
know,
sort
of
monotonous
march
forward
into
you-
know
dead,
end
job.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
about
what
you're
doing.
Now
and
again
I
appreciate
you
doing
it.
I
commend
you
for
it.
A
Thank
you
one.
One
last
thing
to
add
to
that
is:
like
you
know,
china's
about
to
overtake
the
us
economy.
The
only
way
I
could
see
that
not
happen
is
if
we
unleash
open
source
industrial
productivity.
That's
taken
up
by
many
many
people,
communities,
building
micro
factories
all
over
the
place
and
reinventing
modern
digital
production
with
with
distributed
open
source
technologies.
B
That's
okay.
We
could
do
a
whole
podcast
just
on
that,
but
that's
that's
a
heavy
topic,
but
before
we
wrap
up
are
there
any
other
ass
requests
or
just
message?
Words
of
advice
to
the
audience.
A
Yeah,
no,
that's,
I
think
I
think
we
covered
some
good
things.
I
think
the
biggest
biggest
thing
for
me
is
to
share
that.
How
I
mean
my
life
has
changed
absolutely
upside
down
from
feeling
not
so
powerful
to
feeling
like
I'm
a
real
change
agent
for
the
world,
and
I
think
to
see
it,
you
really
gotta
experience
your
own
raw
power
of
productivity,
so
I
encourage
you
to
grab
that.
B
Love
it
unleash
your
inner
productivity,
take
responsibility
and
you
know
start
building
stuff
love
it.
Well.
Martin,
it's
been
a
pleasure
talking
to
you.
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
in
your
endeavors
and
I
hope
everyone,
you
know,
take
some
time
to
go
check
out.
Watch
the
ted
talk
you
know,
buy
3d
printers,
do
whatever
you
can
to
support
and
and
again
truly
best
of
luck
in
the
future
here
hope
to
see.
What's
gonna
happen
next.
B
I
mean
my
mind's
blown,
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
pretty
cool
thing,
you're
working
on
so
yeah.
I
gotta
blast
this
out
to
the
world
and
you
know.
A
Yeah
so
you
said
like
about
about
a
couple
of
weeks
or
so.
B
Yes,
so
it
won't
be
this
coming
monday,
it'll
be
the
following
monday
and
I
can
have
my
assistant
there,
david
I'll,
have
him
send
out
the
recording
to
this
as
well?
As
you
know,
he'll
I'll,
let
you
know
as
soon
as
you're
publishing
it.
A
Yeah,
you
also
get
out
like
a
social
media
post
or
so
I
could
forward.
Oh
yeah.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
are
you
so
you're
doing
the
install
the
pv
installation?
That's
your
full-time
gig
right
now.
B
Yeah,
so
I
I
started
this
company
about
a
year
ago
with
a
few
other
people,
it's
called
better
earth.
We
we
only
do
it
in
california
right
now,
but
obviously
we're
working
on
the
expanding.
But
you
got.
B
Oh
this
is
I
mean
I,
I
guess
this
is
just
kind
of
a
classic
american
flag.
I
don't
even
know
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
war
of
1812
and
then
I'm
a
benjamin
franklin
fan.
So
this
is
his
first
first
american
political
cartoon
with
the
joiner
die
but
yeah.
It's
I'm
actually
like
in
the
process
of
rearranging
things
from
working
on
the
the
backdrops
here,
but
yeah
yeah.
It's.
A
Yeah
definitely
tell
me
tell
me
more
about
what
motivated
you
to
start
the
podcast,
because
I'm
actually
thinking
of
starting
my
my
own.
B
Well,
I
would
definitely
start
one.
I
mean
what
motivated
me
was.
I
just
listened
to
a
lot
of
podcasts,
so
you
know
I
listened
to
like
a
lot
of
joe
rogan
and
a
lot
of
other.
You
know
podcasts,
where
you
just
get
exposed
to
all
sorts
of
different
people,
such
different
ideas
and
ultimately,
at
some
points
like
I
just
want
to
get
into
that
and
talk
to
people,
and
I
it's
amazing
how
accessible
people
are.
B
If
you
have
a
platform
to
share
their
voice
with
you
know,
yeah,
you
know
I
could
get
there's
some
people
that
I've
had
on
the
show
that
I
never
thought
that
I
would
or
at
least
early
on,
because
you
know
they're
busy,
people
or
whatever,
but
I
just
you
know,
having
a
place
where
they're
sharing,
sharing
their
content
and
I'm
able
to
help
them
amplify
it.
You
know
it's
like
all
of
a
sudden.
You
know
I
get
to
have
a
conversation
with
them
and
are
you
familiar
with
tim,
ferriss,
yeah
yeah?
B
Of
course
yeah.
So
he's
got
an
incredible
podcast
and
it
was
one
line
that
really
sold
me
that
he
had
in
his
where
he
said
you
know
he's
like
I
get
to
talk
to
people
like
arnold
schwarzenegger
where
I
feel
like.
I
should
be
paying
them
to
talk
to
them
and
I'm
actually
getting
paid
to
have
that
conversation
because
yeah,
it's
always
marketing
dollars
and
things
like
that
advertising.
B
B
I
mean
because
of
my
business
is
like
really
my
primary
focus.
I
don't
put
energy
into
monetizing
this.
However,
you
know
in
the
future.
You
know
we'll
see
you
know
if
I
I
feel
like
I'm
more
focused
more
on
just
like
pure
content
at
the.
A
B
Rather
than
you
know,
having
sponsors
and
things
you
know,
but
yeah.
B
A
B
I
mean
I
was
trying
to
go
for
joe
rogan.
You
know
I
mean
like
that's.
Definitely
that's
number
one
gonna
get
you
out
the
most.
You
know
I
don't
know,
I
don't
even
know
the
process
of
getting
on
there
or
anything,
but
I
know
that
if
you
have
a
compelling
story
and
a
lot
of
you
know
you're
doing
something-
cool
yeah,
there's
no
reason
why
it
wouldn't
be.
A
Yeah,
it
might
be
joe
rogan's
a
little
bigger.
Yes
now,
maybe
with
the
next
year's
housing
project,
the
extreme.
B
Who
you
could
try
and
reach
out
to
is,
and
he
actually
got
one
on
my
show.
One
time
is
scott
adams
he's
he's
very
accessible.
Are
you
familiar
with
scott
adams?
No
I'm
not!
B
Who
is
that
he
actually
he's
the
creator
of
the
dilbert
cartoons
and
now
he's
you
know,
sort
of
he
talks
about
politics
and
things
right
now,
but
he
also
has
an
interest
in
you
know
innovative
technologies
and
he
does
a
daily
periscope,
which
he
publishes
as
a
podcast
as
well
and
he's
the
one
that
actually
tweeted
out
the
story.
B
Today
of
the
you
know
the
20
000
house,
so
you
know
you
might
be
able
to
strike
while
the
iron's,
hot
and
just
send
him
an
email,
I
think
he's
very
accessible.
If
you
contact
him
on
linkedin
and
you
may
be
able
to
blast
out,
you
know
just
a
little
bit
of
what
you're
working
on
you
know.
B
I
wish
I
could,
I
mean
I'd,
be
happy
to
like
send
an
email,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
sort
of
the
the
credit
to
do
that.
I'd,
be
I'd,
be
happy
to
I'll
ask
david
to
like
send
something
over
to
him
and
say,
like
hey.
I
think
you
might
like
talking
to
this
person.
B
B
That
I
I'll
I'll
make
my
best
effort
addicts,
I'd
love
to
see
it
happen,
and
but
I
mean
personally,
like
you
know
just
like
from
my
own
perspective.
If
I
you
know,
don't
have
the
the
largest
audience
in
the
world,
but
he
was
very
receptive
to
me
every
time
I
reached
out
to
him.
So
I
would
be
surprised
if
he
had
a
response
also,
especially
given
the
tweet
he
had
today
about
the
yeah,
the
home.
I
think
you'd
really
be
hitting
at
the
right
time.
B
Yeah
and
then
also
you
know
usually
has
people
on
his
periscope
for,
like
maybe
five
ten
minutes,
just
to
explain
what
they're
doing
so
he's.
A
A
Cool
stuff,
any
other
other
guys.
B
That's
that's
what
I'm
thinking
about
right
now
is
you
know
some
do,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
know.
I
talked
to
a
wide
stretch
of
people,
but
I
can
definitely
tell
you
for
sure:
is
that
I'll
keep
my
eyes
open
I'll,
keep
my
I'll
keep
my
eyes
open,
I'll
talk
to
david
and
mention
it
to
him
as
well,
and
if
there's
anywhere
that
we
think
would
be
a
good
fit
we're
happy
to
refer
you
over
to
them.
A
Yeah
yeah
that
sounds
good,
so
is,
is
david
volunteering
or
is?
Are
you
paying
him
or.
B
I
pay
him,
he
actually
he
lives
in
serbia,
so
actually
for
my
business
and
just
for
years,
I've
worked
with
incredible
overseas
people
that
you
know
they're
harder
working
than
some
americans
and
most
americans
I'd
say
and
a
lot
more
affordable.
So
you
know
it's
actually
not
a
my
model
is
pretty
simple.
You
know
I
have
david
who
I
pay.
You
know
a
very
reasonable
amount
compared
to
an
american
salary.
B
He
works
essentially
part-time,
just
prospecting
guests
to
join
the
show
based
off
my
interests,
yeah,
and
then
we
use
a
tool
called
anchor
dot
fm.
If
you
want
to
check
that
out,
that's
it
makes
if
you
post
your
podcast
on
anchor.
It
can
get
distributed
to
like
10
other
platforms
automatically,
so
you
don't
have
to
go
through
the
hard
work
of
getting
it
onto
like
the
apple
itunes
store
or
anything
like
that.
B
It's
all
it's
all
set
up
to
do
that
automatically
makes
makes
it
possible
for
anyone
to
have
a
podcast
whatsoever,
and
you
know-
and
then
I
I
just
record
over
zoom
like
this-
I
you
know
it
saves
the
audio
to
my
computer.
I
upload
it
to
a
google
drive
and
david
takes
care
of
the
rest.
You
know
it's
really
and
how
did
you
find
david?
B
I
found
david
because
I
a
small
network
of
people
overseas.
I've
worked
with
my
previous
solar
company,
but
there's
a
website
called
upwork
where
you
can
find
if
you're
familiar
with
upwork.
You
know
you
can
find
anyone
to
do
anything
on
there
and
I
normally
just
yeah
it's
yeah.
Basically
they
get
you
know.
If
you
go
on
upwork,
you
can
find
somebody
and
then
just
say,
hey
I'll,
just
paypal,
you
directly,
you
know
and
that
usually
works
better
for
both
people,
because
then
upward
doesn't
get
their
cut.
You
know.
B
You
know,
but
I
would
highly
recommend
it
it's
easier
than
ever
before
to
have
a
podcast,
but
still
early
on
where
you
know
you
can
just
get
content
out
and
for
you
and
what
you're
doing
you
know
it's
like
the
more
content
you
can
get
out
the
better.
Ultimately,
you
know
the
more
that
you
can
have
like
a
digital
footprint
of
of
your
of
your
efforts,
the
better.
A
About
anything
there,
what
was
your
major
feedback
regarding
quality
control
of
people
on
there
like?
Is
it
easy
to
find
somebody
that
works
out,
or
that's
still
a
challenge?
I
mean.
B
It
it
really,
I
would
just
say,
like
when
you
talk
to
somebody
like
when
you
interview
someone
on
upwork
or
anything
like
that
you're
really
just
looking
for
like
an
energy
fit.
You
know
like
if
you
find
someone
that
seems
kind
of
low
energy
or
something
usually
it
doesn't
end
up
working
out.
But
you
know,
if
you
paint
a
good
picture
for
them,
you
know
it
should
work
out.
I.
A
B
Do
the
same
thing
because
yeah,
usually
the
best
thing
is
to
find
someone
who's
doing
something
like
that,
like
some
sort
of
digital,
you
know
virtual
yeah
work,
something
like
that
and
then
just
getting
a
referral.
That's
yeah
yeah,
like
I
have
a.
I
have
like
a
15
person
team
in
the
philippines
right
now
for
my
solar
company
and
it
all
started
with
one
person
that
you
know
his
sister
and
then
sisters.
You
know
husband's
buddy.
You
know
what
I
mean
it's
like
it
just
goes
on
and
on.
B
They
actually
just
do
like
little.
They
do
logistical
things
for
us,
so
like
filing
paperwork
with
the
utility
company,
or
you
know
it's
really
just
like
a
lot
of
things
that
americans
aren't
very
good
at.
I
have
one
of
them
review
all
the
contracts
for
accuracy
and
pull
data
off
of
the
utility
bill.
You
know,
there's
all
sorts
of
small
functions
that
you
can
have
them
do
make
aurora
aurora
is
like
a
solar
design
tool
and
make
like
a
solar
designs.
You
know
what
I
mean.
B
There's
you
can
train
them
to
do
anything
they're,
very
especially
in
the
philippines.
You
know
they.
You
could
pay
them
five
to
eight
dollars
an
hour
and
they're.
You
know
they're
like
well
they're
very
used
to
working
american
hours.
It's
like
this
whole
industry
called
the
bpo
business
processing
online.
So
you
can
find
you
know
a
million
of
them
that
will
do
dedicated
work
any
hour
of
the
day.
B
Like
we
pay
someone
in
the
philippines
six
hundred
dollars
a
month
and
the
united
states
probably
have
to
pay
them,
you
know
four
or
five
grand.
B
So
you
know
it's
it's
a
you
know
it
could
be
up
to
a
ten
to
one
return
on
a
filipino
team
versus
one
american.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
also
I
could
send
what
I
send
to
people
if
you
even
want
that,
like
I'm
happy
to
share
that.
A
Okay,
your
your
inquiry
to
potential
outsourced,
work.
B
It's
an
assessment
that
we
designed
where
it's
basically
a
it's
basically
like
a
spreadsheet
of
data
and
we
send
it
to
them
and
say,
like
you
know,
transcribe
this
spreadsheet
of
data
and
so
they'll
type
in
name
phone
numbers
like
addresses
emails
and
things,
and
you
can
tell
it's
to
judge
their
attention
to
detail.
A
B
You
know
email
address
was
configured
incorrectly
like
they'll
they'll.
Look
for
you
know
you,
you
judge
their
attention
to
detail
and
then
the
other
thing
I
ask
them
to
do
is
write
me
like
a
sales
letter
about
better,
like
sell
me
better
earth,
and
then
it
judges
their
ability
to
go
on
your
website
and
they
go
on
my
website.
They
they
learn
it.
You
know
I
mean,
then
they
have
to
sell
me.
B
You
know
write
me
like
a
page
long
thing
about
like
a
little
sales
pitch
and
you
can
judge
their
written
communication.
You
can
also
ask
them
to
just
write.
Tell
me
about
yourself.
Send
me
an
email
where
you
tell
me
a
little
biography
about
yourself
and
you
can
judge.
Do
they
put
a
lot
of
energy
into
it?
Are
they
you
know
trying
hard
you
know
or
they
are
they
just
kind
of
you
know.
B
You
know
just
throwing
stuff
out
there.
You
know
like
how
much
energy
they
put
into
it
how's
their
grammar
and
they
write.
Well,
I
would
personally
recommend
trying
to
find
people
like
like
david
is
from
serbia.
Serbian
people
are
unbelievable.
You
know
you're
from
poland.
You
know
eastern
europe,
people
have
an
incredible
work
ethic,
very
talented
people
and
very
polite
good
with
english.
You
know
it's.
Philippines
you'll
experience,
some
cultural
differences.
A
Interesting
yeah,
let's,
let's
fall,
I
mean
I'm
basically
like
I'm
at
the
stage
where
man
this
is
time
for
the
rubber
to
hit
the
road,
and
next
year,
like
with
the
I
mean,
we're
looking
at,
we
want
to
get
2
000
of
these
houses
out
there,
so
we
have
one
year
to
prepare,
but
it's
going
to
be
some
organizational
development.
Organizational
learning
is
on
my
side,
so
yeah
sure
gotta
get
ready
for
it.
B
Have
you
seen
what
kanye
west
is
doing
and
I
think
it's
wisconsin
who
that
who
kanye
west?
No,
you
know
kanye
the
rapper.
A
B
He's
trying
to
build
he's
trying
to
also
build
some
affordable
homes,
there's
a
you're
really
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time.
I
think,
with.
A
B
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah
and
then,
if
you
look
up
scott
adams
yeah,
if
you
haven't
looked
him
up
already,
try
and
just
you
know,
message
him
on
linkedin
tell
him
what
you're
doing
with
the
housing.
I
really
he
has
innovative
entrepreneurs
on
all
the
time
that
you
know
ones
that
aren't
always.
You
know
you
know
like
let's
say
far
along
or
huge
or
whatever
so.
B
That's
right,
yeah,
like
even
I
listen
to
his
periscope,
so
he
talks
about,
like
you
know,
he's
very
receptive
to
linkedin.
You
can
email
him
like
he's
he's
pretty
receptive
and
I'll
see
what
I
can
do
with
awesome.
A
A
B
B
B
B
Hey
real
quick,
I
want
to
ask
you
guys
I'm
going
to
record
the
intro
for
this
after
this
yeah,
so
it's
marching
and
then
what's
the
best
way
to
pronounce
your
last
name.