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From YouTube: Summer X Day 5 Class

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Review of wall build of Day 5. 3.5 minutes install time per wall module - combined effort with 2 teams.

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Start recording.

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Well, so that's uh that's a time-lapse. It gets much more interesting at the very end here. Actually, no, this is the not the right one. I'm gonna.

C

Go to the other one kenza uh finish up some chats with his fan. Oh.

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This one five minutes, so this takes us through the day what we saw yesterday. There was not a house up to the first floor trusses yesterday. Now there is here's. The process actually gets quite nice at the end, but um yeah some impressions from yesterday. I think it was pretty cool like it went up pretty fast.

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The pad is all over the place. It's not even so. We had those issues, and one big learning I would say is that we definitely want to pay attention to that like this is kind of like our multi-purpose pad, like our learning pad our launch pad, because uh this is this was done all by us part of the workshop novices.

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uh It was pretty good, but um not actually not good enough to to get little gaps like it's, probably like one inch gaps somewhere here and there, where the tops were a little uneven in places uh so, and we did fight that we did spend a little bit of time. Oh, like we had to drop one of these modules down to align things. um One point also that I saw as a mistake was actually that one of the uh rim joists wasn't was. We ended up 32 minus one inch on one side.

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For some reason, I don't know how that happened. Maybe it was uh katarina said like how could people measure that, and maybe we we traced it to hampus? I don't know.

D

I don't know which.

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One, the only reason like why you would so we've got uh one of the rim. Joists is 32 feet minus one inch and I asked katherine. How can that happen? Wait.

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Which are the rim joists? The two.

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By twelves, I don't.

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Know if you were.

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Were you on that team.

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The idea there is like the only.

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Way, it could happen.

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um If you're, like not used to inches, maybe.

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Because doing the measuring together.

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Reason it was like thirty, two minus one is.

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So we had a sixteen foot and then fifteen foot, eleven keys.

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So one one piece was slightly shorter. I think I kind of all.

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That's probably not bad.

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Okay, don't blame so sweet? No, we were thinking like how could people mismeasure that and we said okay well, if you're not used to inches, um then you could. You could be like. Oh maybe that's. That was the thing, but.

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If the house that circuit, like yeah, we have one european yeah.

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But beyond that, so it's in that far corner. That's that corner has got a gap and I was like what's going on, because the osb has to go all the way to the edge, and I thought oh what's going to happen there, because it's going to be like hanging over one, but no everything else otherwise is 32 by 16, so we'll just it was just this one little piece that was not reaching then, but no problem. Yeah um beyond that, yeah man, it was going.

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Oh, so some data points, uh if you saw from yesterday but 3.5 minutes per with two teams, so each panel ended up going up in 3.5 minutes on average. So I I look at the videotape, the the time-lapse interval.

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We have the camera set here at three seconds interval and then this is getting played back at 30 frames per second, uh but it turns out to be one hour, 15 minutes for all 22 walls, 30 seconds for free.

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That way. uh Well, frank: this is just like regular playback 30 frames per second, but the time lapse was we're, taking a snapshot every three seconds. So that's what we have here, it's quite exciting! It's all good um one hour, 15 minutes four, until this point here where we framed in.

H

I I think, like.

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H

Were certain things that we didn't expect, for example, the still plates yeah like aligned? I think it was a major.

A

Well, that's what I'm saying like.

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Have all the modules lined up right beside each other and just start leaning them up.

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One thing we found out was a major issue. Is that the sill plate, because it's treated lumber it happens to be between like definitely like at least a quarter over the nominal 5.5 inch dimension, which destroyed our plan with the tabs, which we had to a lot of them. We had to take off or modify um so, but not a real number. It is a real data point it's real data, but it means we can.

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We can do much better actually because it was under some extenuating conditions where no it we did not have that smooth workflow. We had to fight things, so this is actually really good and if you were to actually take a look at I'll play, the other one from the other angle, which is which wasn't actually.

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That's another angle, but yeah really good, and if you take a if you took a look at one team going each way that number was 7.2 minutes per module.

A

um We said like oh yeah, we're gonna do in five minutes, so I mean that's pretty good, like close close to five minutes. uh Definitely under 15 minutes, uh which was like the best case scenario in the first house like 15 minutes was the shortest. So I mean we're we're doing well, it's good there's. Definitely a vision of wow. This coming right up. You know, you're doing a build for somebody else and we're doing well.

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Does miners guys say anything.

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uh They said that the no the only thing they said is the lap siding for the exterior is late. That's all that's! That's all um pretty good pretty good. So what are some other thoughts from yesterday.

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Yeah, so if the, if we do the tabs on the thing and uh on the sill plate, rather I and the all of the bottoms were lined up together, then you could just lean them up and the that sill plate would be there and you could just zip in the screw as soon as it's in there, which will pull it in in situations where you want to pull things together, um because really uh tabs and and uh that top uh um sill plate were were the only things that were really problematic uh and the tabs ended up being yeah more problem, one or only big problems.

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The bottom yeah and.

H

I I think it's something we should address, but it's.

H

Drilling the joist frame into the osb, I think like like uh putting the the joist frame.

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Our skirts are too long.

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Just need um screws.

H

Right, like I don't know, I don't know. If that's that's the right thing to do, maybe we should put it in an angle or uh drilling it from below, but like all these nails going out, it's I don't think it's the best.

A

It's dangerous, no, those screws were too long. We could get like one and a half inch screws and at that point.

H

Like the joists, like the joist frames, should be attached to the to the osb or to.

A

They eventually will be because actually it's the osb that connects that section of the house to the bottom portion of the house. We've got all that 100 feet of osb all around. That's that has significant force in terms of keeping that in high wind conditions. That's part of the stabilization.

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Of the entire house is there any other living connection between.

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Sheer structure, yes,.

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Is there any other supportive connection between the joists and the rest of the frame, or is it only.

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There's hurricane ties: okay,.

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We haven't done so where we have.

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I feel much better yeah.

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Yeah, definitely um so all the joists after they come up hurricane time between the joists then and the top plate there, like you know after you have a joist wherever you have it say you got it, you got them right. There, hurricane tie between each one and the rest of the house, so top plate the two top plates there. That's that's that. So we have those okay.

F

I feel much better now yeah.

E

Are called hurricane fasteners.

C

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That iris called a hurricane.

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That's all we do so this is in the top blade. This is into the joist okay,.

E

We'll do that. I had a thought about yesterday. Is that it and it's the fact that we spent no time at all assigning warm module teams.

E

So we have this little free-for-all kind of chaotic process where three people might work in that module and then it's like two new people for the next one with one of them and nobody really knows how to communicate.

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Should have probably is the right amount of person per wall module installation where everybody can just like. Okay, anthony uh we've got a little gap in the lower corner instead.

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Of people screaming.

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At each other and like going to the other team.

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Or whatever yeah, but at the same time it's rather amazing how much work we did given that we spent no time allocating it. So the the the constraint design and such well.

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They're not there, so I completely agree that, like the same team does the same thing ever, but there needs to be a runner because everybody needs something yeah.

D

You know what I mean, that was.

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One of the key things that I was like running around just getting people stuff and then, while I was there, I was like. Oh you also need me to do. You know.

E

But if we had done that, like a perfect location with the runners and to find the roles, could we have done it? Two minutes per module? One and a half like yeah, almost probably yeah,.

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New teams get forms sometimes, and then they they change roles, although this you kind of want to, I know I wanted to like do a little bit of everything too, so I can dabble in it. Yeah.

L

Which is good starting team and then just allow them.

E

Any way where people are hearing each other and focus on what people are doing, uh you know like getting someone's way. uh It's almost missing a nail. You can notice and bring it and just be sort of connected with each other. But if it's a chaotic structure it's just flowing around, it gets harder.

I

So maybe, instead of a runner in between teams, there's one runner per team and then he just focuses on that team. The other one focuses on that team and then the others are just in yeah.

E

Build enough of all modules and put them up, you would know what is the perfect amount of person with a perfect amount of rules.

L

Yeah, maybe just starting with a team with teams is good, because then you have a baseline and then from there. You can kind of.

D

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A little bit and then it might be good to have a like a head runner sort of because the on the teams, you might need all all the bodies for a particular task. So I don't mind being that person. I.

H

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I feel like being runner so.

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But there's also that that component, where um it felt like, if I was just standing there, waiting for a little bit amount of time and I could see something else needed to be done. It was calling me.

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E

It's a bit dangerous if two persons trying to do two different things on each side of the module.

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Yeah yeah we had that issue early, but it seems like we even adjusted for that a little bit. You know I was like calling out like yeah, I'm about to put a.

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Screen yeah the ordained chaos.

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Yeah, so um what are some of the next steps here.

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Other comments second floor.

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Wall with modules and drywall.

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There's a there's a whole bunch of stuff, so let's kind of like put this on the on the map. um So the options are, I would say, we kind of keep the momentum in terms of going up on the house.

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There's uh definitely first floor to finish. Well, let's, let's just take a look at all the tasks like there's.

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Obviously, there's the aperture modules of windows.

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And as far as the windows um we can on the first floor, we can frame them frame them in. Like now. On the second floor, you want to pre-build them in the modules windows are, so, let's call it first floor windows.

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That's one task: um now the problem is uh so they did not arrive yesterday on a truck. Someone has to would have to get them because they're kind of fragile they didn't want to put them on the truck. So one person would have to go to menards to.

B

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Six windows: we got four for the top floor, two for the super vest so yeah they're open today. So.

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That's something that they wouldn't transform because they were fragile.

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Like yeah they're kind of fragile, so they didn't want to put them on the top of the truck there. So that's they would like have to do.

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Yeah so, okay, but let's keep going on so there's a door.

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There's the carport door.

H

So we don't have windows.

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No, it's not necessarily a block because we have many options. So let's look at all that we have so yeah windows first floor, there's the double door.

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So none of these things came came with the shipment, the double door and the ex the exterior doors they're, not.

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That women, that double door won't fit in there from the thing that's inside of your shop because we have, we have.

A

Oh, we actually have. uh We have that that double door. We can actually use that. So we're actually welcome to use that so another, but also like if we take the van to the store that won't fit in the van. So we have to get a trailer, so, okay double door. We have the door here.

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And that'll provide a little bit more structural stability to that little area too.

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What else we got then, at this point we can put on the subfloor.

A

That's the second story on the platform on a on a joist before that we need to make that stem wall which is effectively uh nine, basically a nine two, nine foot modules that sit under the opening the stairway opening right right. That's not structural right now we can't really be walking up there or a bunch of people can be up there.

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So that's the stem walls, call it the what we call that the stairway support, stairway support, really.

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It's effectively a nine foot module uh two four 48 inch wide modules you can put under there and put like a spacer and.

C

We can nail.

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It into the floor and then screw it into the top, but yeah that needs to, because once we get all that weight on top there with a lot of people, yeah that that's not gonna hold, there's house wrap, which has all these dependencies here.

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And which has also the dependence of there's the couple of the cracks, the adjustment panels.

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So if we cut the window holes, we wrap the house, we just leave it alone and we'll cut the we'll cut out the wrap when the windows get here then.

A

We can actually um don't need the windows for the house wrap to to come in, but what is a prerequisite for the for the house wrap.

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Well, cutting out the window, though, isn't it you want to cut.

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Out so yeah easy to slice whatever it is. So as far as the windows we need to put on the osb and cut out exactly the profile for a 36, the rough opening there is 36., so uh the full detail. It's actually we have the full detail. So if you go back to the dock, the working dock from before, how do you find it too many links? So I would go to sh3, build instructions.

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And it's the first, the first, the big dock here this one we have the full detail. So what's the window? Look like it's exactly on slide.

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That's there we go right here. It's even got the part, all the cut list. Right now we have just the aperture, which is just just the vertical. We don't have these interiors like all this. All this interior stuff is not there, but we can follow this exactly all the dimensions are there. So if you pull that up, it's exactly what we have to do after that. Once again, the plywood is still staggered to make it fit just like normal and then cut out exactly the aperture of the window.

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Once we have that the house wrap can go on it right. So that's the that's the windows, the crack. Oh, we need to. What do you do for the cracks? The adjustment points they're they're about the size of a two by two by uh possibly even a two by might fit in there. If you ram it in uh probably what we want to do is cut strips, which are half inch. Plywood. Definitely two will fit. Maybe three we can possibly cut like one that's out of quarter. You probably have some of that lying around.

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So actually we have this big pile. What I would actually ask is, uh um since scaffolding is also an issue for today, let's take a look at our wood supply in the very back, so maybe we can take the whole team do like maybe 10 minutes of putting that stuff under the the protected area and taking some stuff for scaffolding.

A

So we can take the car back there loaded up on the back of the car, but uh there's material like quarter inch material quarter ply, there's half ply, but that's very simple, 5.5 long strips fit like two or three um structurally wise, um it's effectively like well, we've got walls on top on either side structurally, it's important that we just bond that, together to the other, uh to what's around it, but that's that's a pretty easy. That's, but that's that would be a team there's two of those.

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What we ended up doing is fitting or uh yeah building the two other adjustment modules in place, so those are already done, which which is another way to do it? uh I would probably prefer that we have them to install. Maybe I don't know I I guess in terms of time, how do people think? I think that we framed them up like very quickly.

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It worked well, it worked well, so you could just have.

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Just like almost like just for you, it's almost like, we didn't need to do them now. It would be a little harder on the second floor because you're at height there, you can't get it from one side. You just got to work from one side, so it's kind of you're on a ladder there. It's maybe a little more dangerous, so probably would definitely do it. For the second floor, on the first floor it turns out it was quite easy to do them right in place. It was very quick, um okay, double door.

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So what happens for the double door? This is uh page 15 here.

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uh Do we have detail on that? Yes, we do so. Here's uh 15 is exactly what we have there.

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Well, we have to do minus everything, except for the top, still stuff right, because we have everything else.

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We have uh so we have everything, as is here. Only thing missing is the plywood. So all you need to do is do this, so that's already laid out long. Eight footer, two short strips like that dimensions are given. We can follow that. That's our finish for now before the door ready for house wrap, so we can wrap around that.

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All the dimensions uh should be.

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I mean there's no tennis dimensions, so whoever is that team? That's a double door now um at the point of the cracks finished, and even not that even that's not even independence, because you can do that from the inside too. Well, then, there's that little strip left there on the outside.

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We are going to have a full on cutting team that is just going to we're going to collect all the cuts and then.

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So what it's a way to do it? Let's, let's talk about, uh let's, let's keep going because there's a couple: more tasks, cracks, windows, carport door, double door after that this is wrap that all goes into house wrap.

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We're ready for house wrap at that point on the first floor now we can continue further stair support. That's another task.

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Subfloor stair support is a prerequisite for subfloor.

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uh Because we don't want to have too many people up there before that, but that's quick, that's just two quick modules.

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And that three-quarter library is pretty heavy itself.

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uh What are the instructions for those modules, those support walls because they're not the same height? They don't have a still plate underneath that they.

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Don't have a sill plate, so what we do we can do the same as before put a still plate on put another four foot long, because we, I think we've got a few of those left.

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One on the bottom put.

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One at the top, and that should just about fit if it doesn't fit just uh put some little shims in there.

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Just it already has one header on it, so we just need one so so four think four by eight give it an extra bottom and top plate.

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Two of those that's it I'll get osb.

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No, don't need it in common modules.

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Right now, it'll be interior plywood, it's gonna be pretty stiff, it's like it's all about downward, bearing so uh racking, not really because they are pretty stable, yeah, just plum yep um that would have interior plywood on it later.

H

Did you say four by eight.

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Sorry, four by nine uh nine foot, pre-cut studs yeah.

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You could, even if I think we have the two by sixes, but even two by fours would work for that.

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Well, we're just thinking about doing another, regular module, which is the regular way.

B

Yeah yeah, that's all that's.

A

Awesome we have the materials for that, so we're good. Next.

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Subfloor takes you to the second sill plate, which we are not identified, because it's not gonna be treated lumber right now we wanted to get the sill plate for alignment purposes now. This is for so second sill plate.

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Second floor, so we once again want the rail to align the walls perfectly other comment about the top plate. I like it how we can put it against the osb and then we just punched it down it all just aligned. That was good. You want to repeat that we're going to have the same idea where the second story module, is pretty much mirror of everything except for different window sizes, but once again we pre-frame no, no, the windows we actually have to put in now.

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We don't want to work that at height, so but all the other modules are pretty much analogous to the former ones, except there is no double door. Those are just uh okay. Let's look at the house picture just go to seed home 2, just one, that's how it looks. um That's what we're building so, instead of the double door, we got two more windows.

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So that's the corner. That's one! Two three four five is regular windows adjustment corner like before, so we pretty much mirror the kind of pattern we did with the first floor modules, except now. Instead, instead of using two by two by six, nine foot, pre-cut we're using two by six eight foot pre-cut and uh why not nine? Well, nine gets really tall up there and it's you don't really need that.

A

You're at height I mean once you're standing at the top of the roof. It feels pretty high. It doesn't really look like it from here, but this is actually quite tall. You'll see it like once you're on the first floor, it's quite a height even from the first floor, so um so plate team after the cell plate, you can get into the actual second story, walls, so walls, walls and windows and all that.

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Yeah, that means building the modules in congruence with the people that are starting from the top left right. So.

D

That'll be going on while.

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People build modules so they're ready for whenever we're coming down.

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Yeah we have to talk about how many bodies we have in terms of raw allocation here, so we'll we'll see. Okay,.

B

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Let's just go so the last thing that we can consider. We talked about the wood pile and getting some scaffolding.

A

Why do we need scaffolding at the point where we put the modules up? We can do that all from inside actually from on top of the first floor. But what happens to the siding? At the end of the day and a house wrap the house wrap an actual siding remain unaddressed, so we'd want to do scaffolding now. What I would propose for scaffolding is.

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Two ladders in a 2x12 check.

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Out this cunning plan right here, so we've got the top view and first of all, the question is what height would be the most appropriate for scaffolding? What do we have to do? We have to do house wrap and the exterior siding, which we did not touch it. It's this 3 8, it's actually 5 16 cement board. It's got it's pretty much lifetime exterior material that comes in four by eights. So that means the first floor is ending. We got eight foot and then from then we have to go up, so it would make sense.

A

Probably to put the scaffolding. You know, like seven eight feet we have to screw to the top of that. uh We could also go over from the roof, but you know so so the house is front of the house first floor. You've got your second story platform second floor. You got your roof platform and another insulation box.

A

This distance here is 16 inches, so yeah you can have a person on the roof.

A

Try to so the siding is gonna end up like right here. That's the eight foot mark.

B

Eight foot mark so you kind of have to get familiar with this. What.

A

Is that point up here? That's 20 feet.

C

So we're getting up to 20 feet, we're using like two and a half all the way. Two and a half.

A

So, actually, it's going to be quite challenging to get the second layer of uh that's 20 foot mark, so the scaffolding I would propose would be here I'll, be level the scaffolding, because 16 only gets you halfway up the second story. Walls, man, so we still have to address that that that actually gets 16 foot mark is the top top of the exterior siding there. What do we do there?

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Man, I think we're going to have to go from here to stuff or just do ladders on the scaffolding, because uh this this is kind of tough. You can get the very, very top like the last very top row if you like reach over that hanging off the roof, but um you can get this. This is our kind of like danger zone. Here we don't have without scaffolding. I don't see how we can do that. uh So for the scaffolding, what's the concept okay top view, so this is front top view.

A

What I would suggest is at eight feet. We take like a two by twelve attach it right to the house like that, attach it to the house like that, do the same at each corner, because we got a firm connection to the house. That's good do that and then what we would would need is here you can do.

A

um So. How do you get an eight foot structure? What I would do actually is just frame in.

C

Like your kind of regular module just.

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Put it under under these, so we make make two of these.

C

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Things here just framed up structures. Then you can span a bunch of boards across that across that we got plenty of wood to do that with so.

G

What's the easiest.

A

Outside of renting some more scaffolding, which we probably need like all around, if you wanted to work all around.

I

If I'm looking at what you're saying correctly, we could use modules that were building for the second floor as the components to the rest. The scaffolding would lawn.

A

Yeah but after we put them on what do we do, then we do actually have interior modules that are sitting in a pile that which are actually already eight feet. We could do that, there's a pile of pre-framed 2x4 modules, so um how many would we need to actually span it all around? I mean we can work one side at a time and then move everything over yeah these you can carry right over yeah just put the boards on it, so at the minimum. We, though we would need like four of them.

A

So that's you know.

C

Let's maybe figure it out for one side: okay,.

E

But uh those crosses in the corner that you support the planks on, should they do they need any support from below too.

K

Well, that's why that's where they're about their knees, uh yeah.

B

E

Another easy in the corners too: okay, yeah yeah, so.

A

Four of them, so so there's one yeah well something like this. I mean I think that would be pretty quick to make.

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Yeah and then you just you, uh you zip the the modules that are below to the uh the new board on top and if.

A

The boards here, like the 2x12 spanning 10, feet that that's pretty good. We got a bunch of those boards in the wood storage. We can use that um so any other ideas on that, or does that sound decent? And then how do you get to the eight foot mark ladder on the sides? So we're going up there and we'll see from there.

E

That will be more or less the last step for today.

A

uh Well, let's see that's kind of like thinking into the future, because we've got for this to be needed. That's actually the step of the siding.

D

So that's af, but it's also before the.

B

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Wrap like if we wanted to do house wrap on the second floor yeah. This is what we'd start with house.

E

Wrap is that the outer panels? No, it's the whites.

B

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Thin, it's like polyethylene.

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A rain guard water, water guard, a.

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Temporary or no that goes under the siding.

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Two layers of ten so actually.

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Yeah, that was a good thing on katarina to get the two tents.

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So it actually spans pretty much. Okay.

M

To the top, so we grab.

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First layer and then put the scaffolding up.

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G

So why do we want to get into the 16 feet like.

C

So what do we do there?

C

Well, I would say here we go.

G

Because the way we're going to put the money right like first like the second floor.

A

Yeah I mean before this before the scaffolding we're kind of like at the walls, after that, it's install them and scaffolding second story walls. Actually that gets into house wrap on the on the second floor, so we had house wrap one.

A

And then, after these walls, it's house wrap too, but there's plenty of work here in the window, so yeah.

C

Don't worry about that, so that's kind of the overview where you go second story walls and then rap too.

G

But we're gonna have to do the crack team and yeah.

A

This, this all happens so cracks windows.

A

Cardboard door double door, that's all like cutting the plywood stuff and maybe finishing up. If there's framing missing on that. According to the the document, stair support subfloor, I don't know, I think subfloor still play this is likely. We can possibly start some. No, I mean this. This could actually go quite quickly. We can definitely do a lot of this. Like we'll yeah, we can do a lot of the second story. Walls already yeah.

L

We should make that um first is: if we're once we get to that scaffolding screwing it into the frame of the house, means that we can't wrap that part.

A

Yeah, so it has to be after.

I

A

So wrap one after this we're ready for scaffolding, but not before.

D

So we'll have to.

L

Screw in the scaffolding to the house above where it's been wrapped, so there's no punctures to them. I've already.

I

D

I

D

L

Or do we do catch up and wrap something you can catch up.

A

But on the first floor, there's still siding.

A

Which means you probably want to put the scaffolding right above? Well, it kind of gets in your way. Can we puncture that siding there yeah? I mean a few.

C

Screw holes won't be too bad.

L

Could we put it slightly above the siding so that you don't have to.

A

uh If you want to.

D

Apply it again.

A

Then you don't have a place to now. Do the second story exterior siding, so you gotta hold him somewhere.

I

Could we could we rap at the tail end of the day? Maybe we wrap both stories yeah, you know, hopefully.

E

Yeah, we'll probably need to take out the scaffolding in between, though.

I

There's gonna get a lot of punctures in that nice new rack. If, if we're doing some scaffolding stuff yeah could.

E

We possibly could we both put the scaffolding up, get the second store wall modules without the first house, wrap begin with the second house wrap on the second floor. Take down the.

D

E

And then fasten it because.

D

The scaffolding.

E

Is the eight feet and the first floor, the wrap is at 10 feet.

L

Oh wrap the second floor. First, I.

E

Wonder if that works.

M

Yeah yeah we'll write the first scaffolding.

E

I'm just a swede who doesn't understand very well yeah.

F

E

F

Think it's important about that is, um and I'm not certainly. I would think that you want to have um a higher level yeah over top of the top of the lower level, so the water will run off.

I

So you could just remove it all and then we'll wrap the first one and then the second one either either way we can do that with top.

M

Ladders and you know you're right yeah, maybe I misunderstood your idea, but move the scaffolding up to the bottom of the boards is at the 10-foot mark. If that's not too tall, and then you can do the whole first floor wrap you can secure the top of the wrap. Take your scaffolding off and now you can just use ladders to secure the bottom of the second layer of wrap, because now it'll be over.

E

Yeah you want to install it first with wrapping and then second yeah yeah. If that's what we need to do, then.

M

Without requiring you to move your.

C

Yeah, it's it's.

A

Easy uh so, as far as the house wrap part, this is easy to conceptualize, because after that um see where's the scaffolding.

A

Only after this step are we at the scaffolding, the first siding on the first floor, all the windows. All of that um I can conceptualize the being on the ground and wrapping the first layer doing this this and siding, and then scaffolding. So we do this on ladders and stuff this this here would be scaffolding here.

D

L

Is there a way to build the scaffolding safe enough where it does not have to be screwed into the house?.

C

Yeah yeah, that's the other thing. Yeah, I'm gonna build.

I

One with a four four I'm going to take four of those things: yeah.

D

I

Make them a thing and then put a piece of pipe three, maybe half a three-quarter yeah.

A

We could do that, you could like brace it and stuff yeah.

I

And then maybe the safest is to get a screw into the house. I mean you, don't want it to you, don't want your weight to like yeah push it and then you know.

A

Yeah this is nice, but I mean it's always going to get in the way. So maybe like stand alone.

L

A wrap, though, that we're.

I

Not we're not doing the wrap until we're done.

L

But you'll need the scaffolding to get to get stuck.

I

No, you just you just ladder, it.

D

A

Until the side I mean the siding, that's that's another deal like that's after well, like after house wrap is actually it's. We kind of forgot to talk about the windows, the actual window, install.

A

Actual windows like where we actually put them in and weatherproof them.

D

I

But that's not a today's are we are we looking at like all the tasks we need to complete the project or.

A

We started that today, but we kind of are getting there.

I

We're getting carried away.

A

So the actual windows are here, then the siding and then the scaffolding here. So let's not worry about the scaffolding too much I mean, we've got plenty of tasks here we only got 12. People are showing up right now, so.

L

And question two about the.

D

L

Places where we need to put shims under the modules in.

K

L

A

Under the modules well, so once we have those um the best place to actually look at, it is the cat I pulled up yesterday.

A

Just to see how it looks.

A

From seed home 2.

A

We had the cad and we had.

A

Yeah, what's this look like so we showed this thing. The second story framing.

A

Oh wait: no we'd have to go actually back to this. One.

L

Well, I'm asking about the first quarter.

B

A

It's essentially a wall that supports where we cut out.

B

The stairway, let's just take a look at what that looks like in practice.

A

And practice, if you go inside this is.

I

A

C

B

B

C

Yeah right here.

A

If we go inside, that's what we have, this is the wall.

A

uh Let's hide a few of these things here,.

A

But that's that's what we're talking about these. It's actually 10 foot span, but we just said: let's put like two like one here and this one here and one here.

B

A

That's what's going on and here this is because that's you know: that's an interior wall. It's actually a two by uh two by four in this, but let's just do two by six here.

M

Now that you've got the model yeah.

J

M

Top plate, those modules, what are those interceptors or that.

A

So they're they're like that they're like right on the edge there.

M

I

You gotta you're, not gonna, spin the whole thing because that's just the.

K

uh Just a little bit on the wall, there's like.

A

What's that going on there yeah, those are nine foot modules, actually, our electrical channels, electrical, so they're, easily accessible.

K

It's actually a modular.

A

Electrical system so.

K

We're doing like a mylar piece over the top of it that you just like screw in screw out.

A

No, it's um it's a little different, we're running each of the modules that we already built in the other house already has the outlets in there. So all we do is, after that we run wires along these channels and just connect them to those boxes from the from the actual breaker box.

A

We'll do that in practice. Maybe it's it's a little complicated but but yeah this complication here with the utility channel, like we always had that piece of bottom blocking uh in there which we're avoiding now, that's because the interior siding right now we're going to put battens to mount it. So we didn't need that bottom bottom piece of blocking like right there.

A

uh We didn't need that that wood there, but anyway, that's that's the that's, basically support walls for so that these joists, which are bearing all the weight uh okay. So if you look at the load paths here, where is all the weight of this um yeah all the weight right now? As you see this this one stud here and the end one here.

A

That this one and that one are bearing all this weight here. So if this these screws here they're going to be the first to go, uh you need support underneath that, um to the tune of like I mean the rating is like 20 pounds per square foot. So over that you know 10 by 12 120 square feet, you're holding like 2 400 pounds on these screws here and screws at the end there that's not going to do it, so you need a no.

D

The walls back there.

A

Yeah, um that's pretty cool actually like. If you look at this there's actually like it's not a common way to build stairs. If you no.

D

I'm looking at it now.

A

Oh look at that: it's actually a way to get away from the stringers the complicated step.

D

A

Hey just put a board underneath it and support it with that, but at the cost of doubling up the steps. So it's two two by twelves, but that's a thing. People do that. uh So you can do this very simple stair design without the complicated and that's.

I

F

I

F

Stringer's really hard: it's.

A

Really hard, so this is a way that a novice can do stairs with high quality and the supports there are just one on one side and one on the other, there's nothing in the middle, um which means that also like we're getting out the squeaks out of this stair set, because uh in a standard set with three stringers. If you have the outside inside outside inside and mid, three points are very hard to get perfectly level.

A

So you have to be really good at it to not have the little squeak, but also what we're doing like in a version that we're going to build to eliminate noise, we're going to put a little sil gasket underneath that that's we're actually planning doing, because our experience in the cdca home.

A

Those stairs are loud like when you walk. It's like.

C

A big drum you know, because there is no.

A

Yeah there is no like softening anywhere we're not using carpet or anything like that, so we're gonna actually put a little sill gasket, underneath that so one for squeaks and two for noise reduction, because we're trying to pay attention to the noise like right now, the cdc home one weak point is an open space. You do have a lot of noise. Transferring throughout the house.

K

From the very beginning, we designed that as like a a cabinetry like it's one of the very few things I've seen to be able to use the space duty. Stairs effectively is oh, but it is.

D

A closet: this is the closet.

A

There dude the whole.

D

K

Is, uh uh oh, I see you wanted to close.

A

That's a door there and that's a walk-in closet there, oh well, the door would be at the end there, but yeah that's usable space, so we're using that. As so.

K

We did it as cabinetry, though, like every two feet, do the support post.

A

Yeah yeah, you could do you could do something like that here. uh What we're doing is we're just taking the walls that are there, which we.

G

B

A

Because we want to span across studs, so we made them so long so that we let's go back to.

A

That they're going.

I

Into the railings.

A

Okay, so, for example, look at that one, this one here, you can't just end it there. You need a two-point attachment in order for that to be hanging.

I

That one doesn't exist anymore.

A

Our spacing here was 16 inches, so this piece here this member here has to be at least 16 inches to reach across two studs yeah yeah, and then there's some spacing there. So we made them all uniform. So we don't have to worry about their specific lengths.

I

Yeah we're only doing two modules under there.

A

Two modules: that's it! Okay, we'll do the stairs in the other house. So this is we look forward to that. I want to see these stairs okay yeah um in this house, we're going to quit it at the frame, the main bulk structure, we'll do all the finish like, including the stairs and everything in the other house yeah, so back to um uh I'm seeing that yeah. So that's that allows us to walk on a on a second story. There's this so play.

A

We can start making much, but really it's how many bodies we have here. uh What can we do here.

L

Also, what I was asking about before was actually these little gaps at the bottom yeah.

C

I'm shimming those.

L

C

L

The, how is that done, the.

A

Industry standard, for that is to get it right in the first place.

I

So we don't have that. I would rather you say, like.

A

L

If we're solving housing for people that are yeah.

B

L

The the deal is that they may not, they may not have access to concrete professional country people and there may be.

A

There is an answer for that. Actually, because in our current pad we made this big structure. If you make just the 16 by 32, you can you can level it pretty? Well, okay, novices can level it very well, and then you have the very clear frame boundary. That's the very precise height pretty easily to a quarter inch like eighth inch, so it is actually doable as long as you do the forms right, then you do the scree board, but in here we're like in the middle.

F

D

A

We did it so big and we're like in the middle, we're like between two pores, because that's very hard, that's very hard. I.

I

I was thinking about, but.

A

Yeah, it's quite doable to do it like the first one I did yeah. It was quite quite good, uh not too hard. You just have to take the time to align the forms properly. That's.

I

All right yeah, I was thinking about- uh maybe you creating uh or somebody creating a little video series, called critical components. Yeah.

C

I

There's really three critical components that that make the house like perfect, uh perfect and level like the way we want, and the first critical component is the is the concrete.

I

We just give some basic tips on how to make sure it's level how to um and then another critical component is the corners with our arches teaching that immediately out of the gate so uh because that was that was like the perfect way to get them, um and then the third one was uh uh validation, validation of said other two right: how you validate but and and check everything and.

D

I

There's like little critical components um for novices. You know you you're, just like these are the most. I know you have your most common errors and and things that you've learned on things. Just like a critical components, thing for regular people, I think, would really help like yeah.

C

I

Like hi, this is what we've messed up in the past.

L

My question is: what are we going to do about this today?.

A

We can leave it, we can leave it because.

I

Right now, if we see.

A

That anything settles like no, I think, by the way to the house: it's not right. Now we don't have like enough weight in the house for that to be an issue, because you've got that whole second story platform. That's pretty stiff, like you won't it might. You know just come down a little bit here and there, but I don't think it will. You probably won't notice and.

L

This one's being taken down.

A

And we're taking it down, okay, right right, so one of the things here we're quite tolerant on all these kinds of mistakes, uh because we're learning and it's an it's an education thing that we're recycling every quarter and doing that- which I think is a good idea. I mean professionally yeah. We would not do it this way. We would pay more attention. We'd start with the proper foundation and stuff like that, um so yeah. This is uh focusing on learning.

L

Okay, as long as it's not gonna be it's not, it doesn't need to be up there.

A

Yeah yeah, it doesn't have to be up there um and it actually takes a lot of stress off us because right now like to fix that we'd spend a bunch of time and, like all these other details like, for example, the jagged like top plate there I mean we probably want to fix that it would kill all our time and all that so we're kind of a little more relaxed. So we can have more fun and still get the house up safely very safely.

C

Yeah, that's good.

G

D

G

Like it's, um we need to go to walmart to get the windows right.

A

To menards pick it up, but that's that's here: it's not a block. It's not it's not an absolute. If someone can go, maybe people who are not participating. Someone can go. Yes, let's send them off, but these things the stair support and subfloor. I think yeah. I think.

G

We kind of really.

A

Want to be looking at um this first and.

G

C

A

To still play house wrap walls, it'll be like uh so far is gonna be a bit of time.

A

uh I mean that's. This is that in the afternoon stuff, if we get to it, but.

L

So the building the second floor modules is in the walls. The second walls.

A

If we don't have people doing this, we this doesn't it's not a dependency, but this is like installation dependency, but build dependency. It's not we can do. I mean this is actually green, green lighted. Right now you know, um but we need more.

E

People maybe yeah, we need more people.

I

Yeah, I would start I was thinking about just starting, because I can slang. We can sign those things out, one five, seven yeah, the basic modules. You know yeah a couple: eight footers 48 is already cut.

I

You know, support or that's what we're gonna do. First is got the this air supports your sport.

A

Yeah, actually, the stair support you're, starting with the same frame as the second walls, but.

G

We already have that right. We already have the.

C

A

Do we have a couple of nine foot modules down there yeah we can so like there's a bunch of framed stuff. We did for interior walls. We do already have a. I.

G

Think we do have to cut it right, yeah unplug it. If it's too big, no.

A

No we're all- let's not destroy it, though, because we'll use it in another house.

I

We'll start from scratch: two regular modules yeah two more plates yeah.

A

It's quick um double door. Putting in what's the steps on the double door, you got to cut the plywood effectively now on the doors those have to be cut. As far as the sill plate, sill plate gets cut out um where it is right now so yeah we got to cut it out, because the floor actually sits on a sill not on a sill plate.

A

So there's a little cut there with the reciprocating saw. Did anyone bring a reciprocating saw by any chance nobody's got one jeff's got one. I just got.

I

One: okay: I have a d-wolf brushless yeah.

A

Yeah, so that would be the tool for that.

I

I got blades might be, I mean I, I think I might have a a wood one on there that has some life in it. That's that might be one only crucial.

A

So cut out and then plywood now in a carport door after we do. The cutout of the only note we have to make is that currently the cutout is 39. We need a space, a one by spacer to make it 38 and a quarter for our door.

A

So a spacer down the side, then we're ready for the plywood cut.

A

So for all the apertures, it's effectively plywood cut, but before the plywood cut on the cardboard door, yeah we got to put in the spacer on a double door. We just cut and then put the plywood according to the the document where.

M

A

This piece so, on the right hand, side just all the way down that a one by six all the way down right, so that aperture is not thirty, nine, but thirty. Eight point: two four two five one buys our three quarter of an inch um for the windows.

A

It's about once again, look at the diagram and frame the rest of it in and do the cut. So there's a not too much. I mean, there's just only a few pieces of wood that we need to put in there and then a cut, but you know this could be like if you're working at it. It's like an hour yeah.

I

We can have, we can have the stairs um done before lunch for sure um and then the cutouts, that's gonna just depend on the person cutting it. The.

A

Subfloor is actually on the side of the way. On the west side, we can put two pieces before getting into the aperture opening there, where we can't walk so actually that's a green light on the side of the other side of the house.

H

Are we going to put the seal.

A

Yes, so typically, what we did actually um because we were paying attention to is we actually put this just little strips of this on the on the joists for noise reduction? We don't have to do it right now. We can, if you guys, feel like it um since this.

I

Is the stairs right or is it.

A

We're gonna do.

C

On the stairs too yeah, okay.

A

Yeah we'll do it on the stairs, not not important, because we're not going to use it to live in there. So there's also plywood clips that go in between the on the subfloor yeah, like we use these metal clips that go between that's for the plywood, not bending over time, like not getting off this kind of a thing.

A

uh We don't really need to put those in either since with for the next week. That's not gonna happen. That's like more. Like many years down the road the stuff gets weaker and there's extra support. There.

L

Where would those go.

A

So yeah, so if you have a piece of plywood, so that's how a piece of plywood would sit, there's an other another one. Staggered you've got joists underneath that um the plywood clips go in between the joists, because that's a that's a surface that could wobble you know.

A

So these clips hold the edges together in between the joists like here too.

L

A

Oh they're not important, for now I mean you could do it if you wanted to get the practice so.

E

I have a question: um the wall modules that become the stair support did we say we're gonna do two of those. So in the plan they're just like three.

I

And a half or something two and a half, there's two and then uh one that's 16 inches that one's not going to be there. Okay,.

E

We're just going to put two on the ends and the two levels all right. Look at. I get.

B

A

uh Do the one on one end and the other end like make this and.

I

You guys there's an extra so there's a little space.

A

In the middle, so this will not be.

E

There say that again, the first one yeah.

A

Do this one and but do a four four foot one here so there's the little gap is here, so it's better to have a little gap here than at the edge. It doesn't matter so much, but.

I

So that that gap will be 16 inches between them.

A

If you put it on the edge that means you're supporting.

A

What's that mean? um That means, if you put it right here this space here right as opposed to starting right here, you're supporting this joist and that joist, if you do that, okay.

E

So then, we'll build.

A

In the middle you're, already supported in between.

E

You don't build too many identical modules, then it would be.

A

Yeah yeah: well, they got a space of 24 to be.

I

More specific, always, okay, very.

B

Yeah fair enough yeah.

A

But yeah, that's that's what we got there.

B

A

So, okay names allocation.

M

I'll do stairs.

I

Do you need that's good, that's great, then I'll. Do scaffolding I'll start building a robust scaffolding safe, safe scout for me, cool.

H

Yeah, but I think that's.

A

H

You can do like, for example, a double door that it's going to be heavy weight.

A

That's quick, I mean that's gonna, be real, quick, um yeah cool. um Once you do the double door. That's sewing off the bottom plate and just cutting the plywood. That's just yeah two cuts and plywood two or three cuts in plywood.

I

We'll have a line for you, we'll have a lead. Yeah it'll be easy.

A

Cardboard door, that means putting the spacer cutting out the plywood that.

I

They should do both of those just because an hour and a half that ain't going to take do that double to work, maybe doing just all the doors.

A

First, floor windows: what does that mean.

I

It kind of means the same thing right, marking and cutting it's going.

A

I

D

I

I

Oh, we had the apertures on the back inside too right, so you got the cutting out in the front and then you got to build the apertures to support the window from here and to support the weight from the window. Above so.

A

Detailed yeah yeah detailed instructions are there. This is the work dock starting page 13, 14. page 1314 has got detailed instructions so.

E

Building the rest of the window, module in place.

A

Yes, that's two, that's two of them. So.

M

That could use a couple of people yeah right, yeah.

A

Yeah, I mean you guys, could work in the parallel like.

I

Your mouth yeah and then we'll just make sure we have plenty of circular saws over there and then.

I

I thought you were christian, I dropped. My own circular saw oh yeah.

A

This is the crack team.

A

You know: we've got already four inch wide strips. If you want to make it easy, you don't have to cut like we got a bunch of these four inch wide strips just stick them in there. Let's see make it easy, don't have to cut them.

I

So we're going to run into issues on the miter if everybody's going after cups. At the same time, though, so your windows should make.

H

Sure you've got two stations cutting the plywood.

A

That's two: by sixes, we've got two more saws of that capacity in the shop so set up two more of the regular cut-off saws. They do two by six. I.

H

Think, like cutting the plywood, why.

A

A

No, no specific person is doing plywood, we're kind of going by each each team cuts their own or collaborate on that.

I

I think he was meaning, except for the sub, for are there any cuts perceptible? Oh.

A

Yes, there's: let's take a look at not too many, um I think there's only one or.

H

uh They need to cut two.

B

H

G

B

A

Let's take a look at the build instructions again and uh second story platform.

A

This is from sea, go home too four feet four feet.

A

Now the other one is going to be. Actually, I believe, that's 48.75, okay, let's, let's figure this out. What is that is that 48.75.

A

A

Logic: what's the logic there so.

D

F

A

Aperture starts exactly on the mid stud which mid studs are 24 on center. If you're going all the way to the edge of that, is there like a three-quarter inch yeah? There is because the middle of it is four feet, but if you're going all the way to the edge, that's where that three-quarter inch comes from yeah. Okay. What about the other side? I guess that's is that controversy? Is it 72 or 72, and three-quarter you're going once again two feet on center middle of that would be on center.

A

It's gotta be 72 and three quarter. That's that's not right there. I guess there was controversy before, but that should be 72 and three quarters. Does that make sense? Can somebody verify that on center it's 24's.

I

It ha it has something we measured the the stairs from the corner, yeah.

A

The corner- and it is 0.75 right, yeah we're six feet and three quarters. So let's fix that right now get rid of that. Well, something to a point. Yeah.

D

G

A

Ending at the middle, it's ending at the edge.

J

So it's overlapping the edge on both sides.

I

C

Yeah yeah it's over.

A

J

On both sides validate again so yeah, it's going to be a half knife.

L

Those sections are.

A

Three quarters one piece so to the middle. So here here's the let's do a quick drawing there.

A

So here's your joist.

A

Middle of it is 24 on center, but we're not going to the middle we're going to here.

A

That's the plywood all right, so it's six feet and three quarter so because because you want.

I

C

A

C

I

Side, but this one we want flush right.

A

You want flush so that line that's the midline, that's the two feet on center line, so yeah the plywood is going to be six feet and three quarter.

J

Yes, but it's flush on the other side as well.

A

Yes, but that's tricky, because the edge starts at zero. Okay and the first.

I

With the from there there's a there's another board.

J

Remember, there's yeah, I guess I'm not clear on where the other board starts with business, we're going.

A

To a 16 by 32 foot pad edges exactly 32 exactly by 16., so think of it as there's four sheets length, uh the ends here, yeah clearly four feet because it's two feet on center. We have this little controversy here, because we've got an opening, but this plywood ends on center.

A

So you need to take it over to the edge of the joist, which is three-quarter.

L

Those medium round strips are those two osbs put together.

A

Which ones yeah like.

L

The long strips that you don't even have.

D

A

That's four of them. Four.

A

Yeah yeah, so the seams do not line up you're, not lining up the seams you're staggering them yeah for better support.

L

D

Those are weird sizes just to stagger.

L

Them with the scenes.

A

Yeah, the weird sizes are basically four versus eight, except we're here.

B

But you've got the.

I

A

Actually, um hey I'm seeing I'm seeing two sheets being cut into 48. We're gonna be three quarter inch short there. That means we have to waste another half. Let's not do that. Let's just make it 48.

I

Well, that side, I'm not sure, but on the that that's the next time, because we lose an inch and a half for the main board and it's coming over and we're. We gain that inch and a half when we're putting it flush. I think that actual 72 might be the actual, but we.

H

So it's 75 right.

C

A

0.75, yes, yes and same here, but you see the point on this uh one sheet second sheet, but we're missing 0.75. So we have to rip another whole sheet. Let's save thirty dollars and just leave that uh okay just leave it at 48.. We don't.

L

A

Sheet, just for that.

L

So there will be like half of a.

A

Yeah, it will end like right halfway on the on that joist. That.

L

Won't affect like walk a bit like safety on walking down the surface or anything at.

A

The end, if we had the actual stairs back there, it would matter actually, because we have- we have a precise finish on that for this purpose, without we'll do it properly in the other house which uh or that should be 48.75 on the other house. Already, we've done that already so yeah, it's flush, it's a little detail, because that, on top of this we've got thin uh thin flooring and you want to have those details pretty accurate there yeah.

A

um So there is cutting on the subfloor, but how many people do we have still.

G

A

G

A

We got subfloor is cutting two sheets and that's e. That's quick.

I

Yeah, so I'm going to do the this, the scaffolding, since that's a really critical component to this uh moving on here.

C

But we didn't get there yet we.

A

Got all these dependencies, otherwise the scaffolding is not for today.

C

Like very likely.

A

Second walls, I mean yeah, it's it's workflow. I mean right now. The second story, walls, yeah.

I

We can actually quiet those two together.

A

Yeah for the scaffolding we're going to need the second story, walls, so probably better. Do that.

I

I think I mean the scaffolding is just like making a couple platforms.

A

Yeah, if you want to do it.

C

I

But I mean I can do walls as well. I mean.

A

We have to figure it out because maybe we say oh man, this is like too hard. Maybe we just get it from the store.

F

I think excuse me.

I

A

Okay, um so we can have a bunch of people working on the second story. Walls.

I

A

But who wants to cut this up for.

L

If they need help with the filling in the cracks I'll help with that, if they might not, it looks like you.

C

I don't know I would.

H

A

Support once you guys, uh since the subfloor is like.

A

One cut two cuts; three cuts, that's three cuts I mean that's.

D

C

Want you guys, can you guys do that.

G

A

M

So, do you see the cuts.

A

M

Or is this just a circular saw and chalk lines certain.

B

Circular delete circular.

I

Maybe not a lead, a laser or like a yeah.

A

Circular saw yeah okay, so basically everyone on who's left. So I I could go. I could start a nose.

A

uh Get people going on that should.

E

Someone go to menards too.

A

Yeah yeah, we have somebody.

E

A

Probably somebody who's, not here or I mean.

M

Can we make them run this evening or do we need it sooner?.

I

Yes, the windows seem like they're some romantic ideas earlier on sundays right and we can't we can. We we should. Are we planning on doing the windows, we're planning on doing them.

A

Windows have to do go, um no, they actually we have to finish off the hole.

A

So you guys yeah finishing after that, we can wrap it. We don't need to install the window. Yet, in fact, you have to do the window after the wrap.

A

Okay, so um I'd.

L

Like to shadow and help with the crack team, with paul and christian's team and with logan evans team, so that I could learn those those things would that work? It.

A

L

A

um Do you want to shadow second story walls, or would you rather learn the other stuff.

L

I'd I'd rather learn the other.

A

C

Because I missed that.

I

Okay, I could actually get him spun up on the basic walls, yep and then, uh and then I'll do my little well. I'm gonna I'm gonna.

A

Do that there oh yeah, I mean I'll I'll, be there so who else wants to join the second story? Walls? Because who else on? Well, we don't have anyone else.

K

I

I I'll be doing that you'll.

L

I

L

Three people there, michael he's, really important because anthony's gonna be doing it too, because he won't be doing scaffolding yet.

I

Well, I'm gonna get him started, showing him how to do it and then I'm going to do the scalpeling and then a little bit.

C

Yes and join us on the walls um yeah, it's.

J

A

Can crank them out.

I

The good news is all of that cutting and like putting that stuff together. It's not super labor intensive. It's just you know, so it won't be like crazy because we are coming up on.

H

That area yeah like we we're gonna finish the.

G

H

I'm strong enough.

A

All right so any blocks on these, so here on the just to review on the windows very explicit. This instructions are available, use those double door and carport. Also, the very explicit instructions are available, only thing that I think it's in there. It's not is.

K

A

Let's see is that spacer mentioned in the dock.

A

um Let's see, I do the control f panel.

E

Tab I search for spacer with control.

A

G

J

It, but we do know, there's.

E

K

A

Mean you can tell.

C

The doors they're.

A

The ones that have the hole in them all.

K

E

Yeah yeah yeah absolutely.

C

You know what there's already a cut.

E

For it, okay, well, then yeah they. uh I nearly mentioned that last night, uh there's already one cut. I think it's to the side we'll get it installed and then.

A

So somebody cut it like I'm not sure if they already, if it's already caught just use it we'll.

E

A

Yeah, if we already cut it, just use it because that's three quarter, we can.

J

Plug that up from there.

C

There's support.

A

I think that's clear.

H

D

A

I mean we can use the long ones too. So actually here, let's look at menards real, quick.

K

A better chalk line, it seems, like all the ones are like jengy or bro yeah. I.

F

Looked to buy some yesterday.

K

Do you have two pairs of glasses one with a little safety thing on there yeah you just put it on there.

M

A

Does that work.

J

J

I

Like what's your favorite, what's your favorite.

J

So it's like very much modular um component based design.

I

Yeah, that's actually yeah um angular.

I

uh As well, yeah is is kind of the same thing that module.

J

Yeah, so what I like about the with react, especially, is people built like one libraries, so you have like an ips, it's like perfected in component yeah, so it's like if I want a calendar.

F

uh Three of you can grab them.

K

I

K

I

uh Don't touch his scoops. That means one scoop.

J

um But yeah so like there's one I was using like material design. I actually don't like google's material stuff yeah, it's great on mobile apps. It sucks at scale on desktop. um In my opinion- and I know well, my thing is like desktop. Apps are great because you have a ton of like databases.

I

You're talking about actually our desk uh apps on your computer, yeah yeah.

D

I

I don't think it was ever designed, wasn't it always designed for the cloud and kind of.

J

Like yeah yeah, like uh like material design, is great for mobile apps, and I think that was the initial design. My issue is, I don't think it scales well for a desktop, um because.

J

I I just like I like a more denser interface, like just personally like when I'm working on a desktop, but.

G

I like having a.

J

Toolbar that I was using, I don't know, material design was like. Oh click. This, like big circle, add button to like drop down the sidebar.