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From YouTube: Meeting with OSE Board Member Sunny Bates
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Strategy discussion on OSE regarding taking products to bootstrapped business models.
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A
Of
course
interesting
now
they
don't
do
what
we
do,
the
extreme
part
they
don't
so
so,
there's
a
big
difference.
If
you
want
to
do
an
extreme,
you
have
to
plan
it
out.
It
takes
like
so
long.
You
have
to
get
everything
organized.
It
starts
with
a
design,
that's
basically
modular,
so
you
can
assemble
things
rapidly
into
place
and
individual
teams
build
the
modules.
We
actually
build
all
those
modules
in
a
workshop
and
we
put
them
up
in
the
site
and
assemble
them
rapidly.
A
So
that's
the
way
it
works,
and
it's
completely
different
in
a
thing
like
like
Habitat,
for
Humanity
we're
just
kind
of
like
standard
construction.
So
the
only
other
model
that
I
know
that
does
this
and
they
actually
do
a
standard
way
with
professionals,
because
we
actually
don't
require
skilled
people,
we
teach
them
on
a
spot,
but
the
deal
is
there's
a
thing
called
Church
in
a
day,
200
people.
Now
this
is
bible-thumping
here.
So
you.
A
A
Like
maybe
once
or
twice
a
year,
but
that's
another
model,
that's
like
the
closest
to
what
we
do,
but
they
don't
use
like
the
modular
construction
like
we
do
like
panelized
and
everything
is
like
pretty
much
penalized.
They
do
kind
of
like
standard
stuff
and
also
include
a
lot
of
professionals
in
there.
They've
got
all
the
crews
working
I
guess.
B
We
have
communities
where
people
want
you
to
do
that,
but
you
could
say:
okay,
do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
be
losing
lots
of
the
people
in
your
community
like
what
does
what,
where
you
already
have
your
built
in
your
installed
base,
it'll
be
a
large
one
and
a
good
geographical
once
you
can
do
that
when
you
say
it
building
this
in
the
workshop,
can
you
ship
it
from
there?
Could
you
do
it
I'm
on
the
spot
kind
of
workshop,
or
does
it
have
to
be?
B
Does
all
of
the
modular
work?
Has
to
be
in
the
in
your
space
oleander,
this
question
is
so.
A
The
real
question
there
is
labor,
because
what
we're
finding
out
that,
instead
of
paying
people
to
hiring
people
to
build
housing,
people
can
pay
us
in
the
form
of
an
immersion
workshop
experience.
So
there's
that
part.
So
we
get
the
huge
crew
of
people
and
they
provide
the
labor
to
do
it,
and
they
learn
a
lot
during
during
that.
So
that's
the
model
where
it's
about
kind
of
turning
around,
like
flipping
the
labor
model
like
flipping
a
classroom
model
where
the
people
are
learning
but
they're,
actually
building
something
really
tangibles
with
social
production.
A
So
the
number
of
people,
that's
the
part
otherwise
you'd
be
paying
the
economic
model
would
be
a
revenue
model
would
be
different
if
you're
paying
for
the
other
professionals
to
do
that.
Now
that
could
be
doable,
but
that
kind
of
becomes
more
of
the
standard
model.
Whereas
for
us
our
core
mission
is,
is
to
rescale
people
and
give
them
that
those
tangible
skills
are
badly
missing
in
society
and
that's.
B
B
Investment
rate
that's
trying
to
go
into
the
Midwest
in
China
lives
in
places
to
to
build
out
an
investment.
So
let
me
just
see
what
the
name
of
this
thing
is
called
like.
A
B
B
A
B
B
That's
a
little
looks
like
rate
okay
chat,
box
and
left.
A
B
A
B
Rest
of
the
country
and
some
of
the
prices
that
you
have
this
is
about
the
same.
Can
you
go
ventually
up
still
building,
which
was
an
interesting
idea
to
present
that
that
and
you
could
go
and
do
this
pretty
much
anything
you
can
take
your
gene
to
run
this
I.
Don't
have
to
come
a
gene
you
be
fun
dad.
Is
that
possible?
No
yeah.
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
So
definitely
one
house
in
the
Utah
we're
negotiating
that
currently
and
then,
after
that,
if
that
works,
I
mean
just
replicate
it,
you
know,
do
like
three,
more
so
be
October
and
then
November
December
January
like
go
to
the
southern
states
or
whatever,
but
I'm
I'm.
Looking
at,
we
got
a
really
nail
it
to
the
replicability
point
where
it's
like:
it's
not
an
epic
event,
but
something
we
can
do
on
demand
and
there's
a
regular
business
model
yeah.
That.
B
Sounds
good
also
be
interesting
to
look
at
places
like
I
was
just
thinking
here:
listen
Mexico
over
that
Thanksgiving
holidays
and
there's
a
really
interesting
area
that
some
that's
in
Mexico
City
proper,
but
it
it
has
its
some
all
of
these
sort
of
it's
kind
of
like
landfill.
But
it's
not
that
they've
done
it's
for
farming.
B
Around
all
of
these,
these
rivers
from
the
whole
of
Mexico
City
is
built
on
top
of
me,
switch
it
by
next
with
something
so
green,
it's
not
so
dry,
but
it's
so
green
and
and
and
seeing
this
are
a
bunch
of
rammed
earth
structures
because
you
couldn't
have
permanent
structure
and
then
you
could
you
live
in
your
structures.
We
can
think
about
different
places
where
people
are
trying
to
do
temporary
housing
or
trying
to
contemporary
enough
house.
A
B
B
A
A
Try
to
scale
that,
as
opposed
to
kind
of
like
the
education,
also
it's
kind
of
like
the
education
versus
production
model,
where,
where
the
dilemma
is,
if
we
get
into
the
production
more
of
the
production
model,
still
using
the
extreme
manufacturing
methods,
but
I
guess
the
psychological
resistance.
For
me,
it's
like
wow
to
develop
one
thing
to
the
very
end.
It
just
takes
a
long
time.
A
That's
I
think
that's
probably
the
bottom
line
and
I
guess
that's
where,
like
at
this
point,
I'm
saying:
okay,
just
let's
just
reevaluate
the
investment
thing
and
the
latest
thing
on
investment,
I'm
thinking,
okay,
so
the
the
end
goal
for
Katrina
and
Maya
myself,
where
we
met
at
tEDGlobal,
we
said
yeah.
Let's
do
this
opens
world-class
research
center
for
open
source
development.
You
know
and
I
think.
A
A
We
touched
on,
we
talked
about
the
global
village
construction
set,
so
the
latest
in
my
my
band
was
okay.
How
about
if
we
look
for
some
investment-
and
we
start
a
first
serious
one-year
program,
25k
a
pop
for
students
and
were
really
taking
people
either
like
an
EPA
or
like
alternative
to
real
college
right
and
you
learn
and
you
have
the
opportunity
to
actually
be
hired,
making
3d
printers,
making
heavy
equipment
building
houses.
So
basically,
like
this
very
hands-on
physical
production,
kind
of
curriculum.
B
A
B
I
mean
you
know,
the
thing
I
don't
know
is:
is
there
any
other
any
other
universities
or
there
any
educational
institutions
that
really
focus
on
making
a
non-production
and
particularly
ones
that
also
have
like
an
agricultural
school?
More
than
have
it,
you
know
it
feels
to
me.
Like
that's
the
thing
you
need
to
look
at
because
we're
the
your
your
focus
on
that
piece.
Then
you
could
see
if
you
could
slip
right
in
and
you
do
something
from
that
setting
cuz.
You
know
that.
That's
it,
you
might
look
at
Arizona.
B
The
most
progressive
schools
in
the
country-
it's
not
them
a
progressive
school-
tops
out
of
Tucson.
You
might
look
and
see
what
kind
of
building
a
production
angel
you
know
so
I
happen
to
make
some
introductions
there.
Obviously
the
University
of
Missouri
might
be
interesting
place
to
look
and
see
you
know
if
there,
if
there
is
anyone
trying
to
do
a
kind
of
a
curriculum
like
this,
because
I
think
that
that
you
know,
even
if
you
were
able
to
do
you
know
it
gives
you
some
legitimacy.
B
If
you
can
actually
show
you
can
do
it
for
an
existing
educational
institution,
because
the
man
is
and
that's
hard.
You
know
one
since
we're
talking
about
a
private
piece.
You
have
to
look
up
face
like
the
shelter
instance.
You
were
just
saying,
okay
to
each
teachers,
do
this
and
there's
a
community
element
to
it
or
that
playground?
If
you
look
at
that
playground
things
I
can
see
that
find
it.
A
A
A
So,
as
far
as
the
revenue
model
for
what
we
want
to
do
so
so
the
3d
printer
that
we
have
I'm
really
trying
to
put
some
decent
time
into
so
we're
done
is
right
now,
starting
to
run
regular
workshops
where
a
number
of
people
show
up
at
300
dollars
above
the
bill
of
materials
cost.
So
like
12
people.
This
is
$3,600
doing
that
plus
selling
kits
of
the
3d
printer.
So
that's
one
thing
we're
really
starting
on
in
a
really
serious.
A
Finished
product,
because
if
we
do
that,
that
also
applies
to
all
the
other
products
that
we
that
we
have.
So
that's
one
thing
where
we're
trying
to
take
that
more
or
less
to
completion
as
a
as
a
real,
viable
business
model
there
so
yeah
to
to
bootstrap
con
further.
So
at
the
same
time,
okay,
we're
gonna
go
more
ambitious
with
okay.
Here
is
the
plan
for
the
the
campus,
but
at
the
same
time,
let's
show
how
these
products
can
really
work
in
the
marketplace.
B
Yeah
I
guess
the
publicize.
You
know
there's
so
many
diverse
I'm,
doing
interesting
kind
of
hackathons
and
maker
spaces
and
some
looking
at
the
condition
maker
spaces
and
areas
where
they
can
really
use,
but
something's
community
building
might
be
new
to
let
it
go
I'm.
Just
we're
trying
to
have
so
I'm
trying
to
go.
How
I
put
the
pieces
together
so
you've
got
sort
of
linear
risk
on
your
side.
What's
the
possible
reward
and
you
can
do
without
having
to
you.
A
B
Spend
six
months
or
a
ton
of
money
to
be
able
to
do
it
like
a
potential
partners
to
work
with
that
cuz
like
that,
would
be
I.
Think
it's
an
idea
which
is
saying
what
everybody's
looking
at
and
who
session
means
should
make
a
hackathons
a
sort
of
maker
either
either
in
they
in
a
home
building
situation
or
community
where
their
needs
homes
or
some
bleep.
That
specifically
looking
at
development
in
a
particular
part
of
the
world
or
particular
part
of
the
community.
To
have
you
come
in
and
do
that
kind
of
workshop?
B
That's
an
interesting
idea
and
wondering
if
that's
excellent,
the
community
admit
it's
the
opportunity
zone
or
some
fun
community
development
concept,
yeah
I
mean
like
Kenny.
So
if
I.
A
B
A
B
B
Let
me
just
just
like
you,
kids,
you
legit
a
see
not
because
you're
still
bootstrapping,
and
so
how
do
you
get
out
bootstrapping
mode?
And
how
do
you
do
that
without
having
to
raise
a
bunch
of
money
that
you
know
what
that's
gonna,
that's
in
these
houses
to
bootstrap,
so
so
some
looking
at
what
kinds
of
partners
can
give
a
kind
of
gender,
seeing
if
that's
valuable,.
B
Well,
you
must've,
because
otherwise
you're
just
saying
you
think,
there's
a
need
and
there's
no
way
unless
you
can
demonstrate
see.
Part
of
your
piece
is
gonna,
say
we'll
try
to
just
another
canoe
and
if
you
said,
we've
got
a
solution
to
a
problem
struck.
It
is
B
gonna
build
a
home
for
people
being
able
to.
B
If
you
had
this
community
and
said,
okay,
everybody's
gonna
commit
to
you
know
twice
a
year
or
five
five
times
a
year
and
we'll
be
able
to
build
installers
and
so
over
the
next
five
years,
we'll
be
able
to
do
25
or
35
or
40
homes
in
the
Canadian.
What
would
that
need
to
keep
me
I'm?
Just
just
15
like
you've,
got
to
identify
like
which
people
join
so
community,
organizing
and
activism,
and
the
underground
home
housing
and
children
is
that
possible,
but.
A
B
Becomes
more
interesting,
as
opposed
to
saying
we
didn't
come
into
it,
I
don't
know
it
just
feels
like
there's.
There
have
to
be
partners
that
you
can
do
this
way.
So
you
can.
You
can
leverage
people's
community
organizing
a
fun
I'm,
Amy
I
gotta
find
companies
that
you
even
identify
housing
and
you
know
under
engaged.
B
A
A
B
Which
is
that
that
you're
you're
in
a
place
where
you're
we're
you're
trying
to
say
you're,
legit
you're,
trying
to
say
that
solutions,
you're
trying
to
say
in
this
case
you
want
to
say
solutions
to
what
and
you
want
to
be
able
to.
Somebody
else-
was
done
to
work
so
and
if
people
are
saying
you
know,
we
want
more
hands-on
job
training.
B
So
what
the
job
training
looks
like
I
mean,
if
you
could,
if
you
could
get
a
SWAT
team
of
of
fifty
people
to
spend
five
days
building
a
house-
and
you
could
say
you
know
we
trained
500
people.
That
means
in
five
days,
they've
done
ten
houses
like
what
did
that
look
like
so
I
mean
just
feels
to
you
that
there's
there's
so
much
concerned
about
underleveraged
skills
and
if
you're
saying
we
coming
into
this
room
can
also
train
the
people.
B
A
See
that
there's
what's
the
limit
to
them?
The
idea
is
that
currently
as
it
is,
it
takes
a
high
skill
set
to
pull
up
one
of
these
events.
It
user
model,
because
you're
talking
about
I,
mean
there's
the
design
and
the
build
part,
but
also
the
organizational
part.
How
do
you
pull
it
all
together?
So
so?
Yes,
absolutely
it's
skills
training,
but
ok,
so
we
had
aim.
I
did
a
first
one
month,
immersion
program
on
a
3d
printer,
so
basically
training
people
to
run
the
workshops
did
then
work
I
had
to
let
the
people
go.
A
They
stay
at
stay
on
for
two
months,
so
this
was
in
September
of
just
now,
October
November.
They
we
had
them
working
with
us
that
you
were
in
California,
two
people
I
think
than
3,000
a
month,
but
couldn't
teach
them
effectively
enough
to
run
run
workshops
you
have
to
let
him
go
people
weren't,
signing
up
and
stuff
like
that.
So.
B
You've
got
a
preview
of
a
demand
from
workshops
before
you
before
you
before
you
build
out
the
workshop.
You
got
to
prove
it.
You've
got
a
model,
you
can
build
up,
you
have
to
have
people
say
yeah,
we
haven't
made
Photoshop,
we
wanted
you
telling
us
or
something
we've
got
a
workforce.
We
got
the
training,
we've
got
a
retraining,
I
mean,
do
you
know
any
cuz
I
look
for
you
just
to
you
know,
hire
people
to
do
that
right
and
the
other
thing
about
the
3d
printers.
Is
that
there's
a
real
demand
on
that?
A
A
Is
really
growing
so
I
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
there.
I
I
don't
really
question
it,
but
the
question
is:
is
it
execution
like
and
that's
why
right
now
we're
getting
air
quality
control
up
up
and
I,
so
very
reliable
and
all
that?
But
it's
just
yeah
it's!
What
you
just
said
is
exactly
right:
it's
like
no,
you
can't
just
take
people.
B
You
gotta
go
poor
fridge.
You
got
foods
that
people
want
what
you
got
yeah
the
people
there's
a
demand.
So
wherever
you
think
was
the
demand
that's
I'm.
Thinking
like
who
can
you
partner
with
that?
Could
that
can
provide
ma'am?
When
you
say
okay,
I've
got
development.
We've
got
something
housing
building,
I,
guess
so
anything
like
that.
Excuse
you
prove
it
demand.
Then
you
don't
want
to
say
you
know
coke.
B
What
should
we
do
here,
but
for
you
just
throw
things
out
and
just
sighs:
when
do
it
and
people
don't
sign
up
to
wear
something
like
that?
Just
doesn't
it
doesn't
work,
you
spin
your
wheels
too
much.
It
doesn't
make
sense,
it's
not
a
good
use
of
your
time
and
then
you
find
yourself.
You
have
six
months
or
12
months
into
something
matter
further
ahead
and
that's
frustrating
you
don't
to
keep
track.
A
B
A
A
B
So
you
got
50
people,
so
do
you
have
50
people
who
want
to
be
trained?
How
to
build
a
house?
And
if
you
do,
then
you
know
we're
gonna
come
and
train
and
we're
gonna
build
you.
You
know
the
first
three
houses,
that's
like
that
and
then
you
can
people
like
okay
I
see
this.
We
can
get
some
fundings
and
public's
and
private
funding
to
go
ahead
and
do
this
and
then
you
see
and
then
you
got
a
case
study,
but
it
feels
like
you've.
B
Gotta
do
gotta,
be
both
of
those
things
to
show
that,
but
you
don't
want
to
use
building.
You
know
it's
random,
three
or
four
houses
weaker,
showing
a
budget
that
just
doesn't
scale
better,
find
some
way
that
both
you
show
that
you
can.
Who
is
a
larger-scale
if
you
need
to,
but
more
importantly,
that
you
have
a
real
success
in
building
something
that
you've
been
able
to
work
on
community
or
work
with
a
group
and
build
multiples
and
train
multiple
people
I
think
that
an
episode
hits
on
hold
of
your
models.
B
I
think
the
house
of
his
best
way
to
do
it.
That's
one
thing:
if
you
think
that
you
know
you've
got
you
go
into
committees
and
people,
one
just
3d,
printing,
it
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
it
isn't.
You
know.
Maybe
it's
like
prison
stuff.
Maybe
it's
like
the
prison
packaging
for
people
to
do
things
like
carpet
installation,
but
it's
not
like
what
if
we
did
new
extreme
building
at
house
and
what,
if
you
didn't
have
for,
like
you
know
the
community
service?
What
if
you
know.
A
What
you're
talking
about
with
okay,
getting
those
50
people
like
when
somebody
contacts
us,
but
the
part,
the
part
of
it,
is
that
we
are
the
ones
that
are
getting
the
people
to
sign
up.
So
we
post
up
the
announcement
and
random
people
show
up
to
do
that.
So
that
was
that's
part
of
the
difficulty
that
model.
You
know
you
need
a
guaranteed
audience
of
people
that
can
build.
So
that's
why
we
were
thinking
about
churches,
I'm,
actually
thinking,
okay
partner
with
churches.
They
have
the
audience's.
A
They
would
love
to
build
a
house
for
a
poor
person
in
their
community
or
whatever,
and
that
would
be
our
labor
labor
model
and
then
we
decadently
that
could
work
there.
So
that's
one
thought
I
had
lately
because
part
of
it
is
getting
enough
people
to
show
up
if
you're
gonna
provide
that
low
cost,
because
essentially
you're
kind
of
donating
labor,
you
know
I
mean
yeah.
Yes,
if.
B
You
want
the
big
what
if
you,
what,
if
you
did
it
where
people
are
actually
trained,
like
you
know,
get
it
I
gotta
keep
thing
about
the
workforce
development.
If
you
would
wait,
you
know
when
the
cup
is
going
when
the
company
is
going
our
business
in
there,
they're
gonna
retrain
the
workforce,
and
when
you
said
okay,
it's
gonna
cost
you
a
X
number
of
dollars
per
person.
B
Every
parade
will
we
will
train
a
hundred
people
in
your
community
to
be
able
to
build
this
house
so
that,
instead
of
building
it
for
$70,
seventy
thousand
dollars,
you
go
to
a
builder
for
85
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
or
some
version
LS
of
its
multiple
multi
little
units
I,
don't
know,
but
it
feels
like
there's
there's
what
you
want
to
be
able
to
do
is
do
something.
That's
you
could
look
at
the
churches.
B
You
could
go
to
place
like
the
Mormon
Church,
since
I
could
good
one
cuz
they're
doing
missionaries
wherever
they
go.
There's
nobody
else,
we're
doing
missions.
So
that's
the
that's.
What
I
was
thinking
a
habitat
to
be
honest
again,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
you've
got
to
get
somebody
with
a
crude
that
there's
a
demand
and
you
can
build
more
than
one
house
in
one
place
more.
B
A
B
Well,
yes,
I
guess
the
piece
up
that
is
then
you're
trying
to
be
mean
or
you're
trying
to
recruit
50
people
each
other
trying
to
do
it.
I'm
saying
if
you've
got
a
model
and
you
can
actually
train
people
to
build
a
house
don't
mind
it
was
those
people
the
same
people
to
train
to
basically
be
workers.
B
Oh
you're,
not
hiring
anybody,
you're,
not
hiring
a
soul.
You
cannot
hire
us
all.
You're
saying:
okay,
Akron
Ohio
has
got
a
an
economic
development
budget
that
is
about
workforce
training
and
economic
development
and
they're
trying
because
they've
got
a
dropout
rate.
This
is
all
I
mean
just
saying:
I,
don't
know,
they've
got
a
drop
for
a
dose
of
50
percent
in
high
school.
B
Now
you
don't
want
to
be
stuck
with
being
a
Moodle
and
we
didn't
fall
and
you
go
to
them,
and
you
say:
okay,
we've
got
something
if
you've
got,
you
know
how
many,
how
many
kids
are
dropping
out
and
we
can
train
them
and
you
know
whatever
it
will
be
like,
but
we
can
certainly
try
it
and
there's
better
and
they
can
get
of
this.
You
know
we
got
50
dropouts
between
and
then
who
dropped
out
last
year.
So
let's
say
you've
got
a
hundred
kids.
B
A
B
We
will
do
the
training,
you
pay
us
to
do
the
training
and
we
can
also
do
you
know
me.
It's
like
some
way
because
there's
such
a
huge
need
right
now
for
skill
building
and
training
and
it
happens
in
different
kinds.
So
you
know
the
military
does
that
stuff
too,
but
that's
a
little
tricky
right
now,
just
because
of
we're
still
at
war.
So
you
know-
and
there
are
no
community
service
things
so
you've
gotta
do
15300
your
sentence
because
we
know
that
your
time
offender
to
500
hours
of
community
service.
B
Think
no
way
I
mean
I,
think
I.
Think
they've
gotta
be
no
that's
that's
that
we
being
so,
let's
just
saying
you
got
that
so
my
friend
she
used
to
be
the
head
of
this
sort
of
them.
B
The
whole
penal
system
in
Missouri,
let's
just
say,
she's
doing
that
now
and
in
Connecticut-
and
let's
just
say
you
said:
okay,
whatever
okay,
look
at
community
service,
the
interview
says:
okay,
you
know
you
have
to
like
take
tickets
of
this
or
if
they
play
not
the
balance.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
They
have
this
and
that's
up.
B
You
know
it's
a
pretty
common
scenario
and
we've
got
a
GP
services
watch
so
that
you
say
here's
an
opportunity
where
they
will
actually
not
only
do
this
work,
but
they
will
develop
a
skill
and
you
saved
in
that
same
community.
Do
you
know
clean
your
community
needs
to
use
its
people
floss
and
tires
other
groups
they're
working
with
people
on
the
media
and
I?
Don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
but
I'm,
trying
to
think
where
you
get
a
group
of
people
who
are
both
and
who
are
you
know?
Who
are
they?
B
A
B
A
B
A
thought,
experiment,
yeah
and
then
the
same
way
you'd
be
training
to
do
that.
So
your
body,
energy,
which
I
brought
in
and
you're
saying
we're
doing
the
training
and
it's
gonna
cost
you
X
number.
You
know
thousand
dollars
into
training
the
work
to
the
training
and
put
in
the
first
two
houses
and
then
from
there,
and
then
you
identify
somebody
with
no
good.
We
think
is
good
and
go
on.
Then
they
can
do
it,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
how
you
start
something
in
a
county
that
solves
a
problem
right.
A
B
What
I
think,
because
right,
no
nothing
you're
doing,
is
solving
a
problem
or
that's
just
say
the
way
you're
doing
it
isn't
solving
an
existing
from
so
where
problems
as
problems
around
community
service.
There's
problems
around
sort
of
sort
of
citizen
engagement,
there's,
obviously
big
problems
right,
housing
there's,
so
so
you
know
I'm
not
sure
where
to
take
it
and
what
you
do
it.
But
it
feels
to
me
like
you've,
gotta,
look
for
places
where
they
are
where
there
is
unused
capacity
within
that
is
pretty
core
so
like
it
like.
B
Is
there
an
association
of
makerspaces
and
if
there
are,
if
there
any
you
know,
is
there
a
way
of
like
I'm,
a
basic
Detroit
in
mr.
bundage?
Thank
you,
excellent
or
even
if
you've
got
like
it's
a
tech
shop,
someone
one
of
the
ones
that
I
don't
still
going,
may
not
survive,
but
we
need
a
massive.
Never
subscribers.
You
got
a
second
buddy
tech
shop
and
say
you
got
people
are
making
stuff
we're
running
a
program.
B
You
know
we're
gonna
have
to
admit
I,
don't
know
what
you
know
where
you
go,
but
you
say:
okay,
you
keep.
Are
all
maker
people
you
sign
up
you're
committed
over
the
next
year
to
build
two
houses,
which
means
it's
ten
days
time
which
again
I
think
the
first
time
we
get
someone
trained?
They
build
it
one
house
one
time,
but
then
the
second
line
they're
better
at
it
and
then
that
you
know
even
then
he
begins
build
a
database
of
people.
B
B
It's
hiring
somebody
interception
kept
painful.
You
have
to
be
able
to
turn
now
to
show
something
a
little
done,
but
you've
done
like
ignore
the
months
or
more
than
twice.
Did
you
like?
Okay,
we
did
this
in
this
community
who
did
this
in
this
community
with
this?
It
all
ladders,
up
to
particular
areas.
Looked
at
like
the
house
building,
okay,.
A
B
A
B
A
B
Know
we
all
know
you're
nothing.
We
could
ever
be
in
the
place
of
employer
you're,
the
architects
you're
architecting
a
system.
You
already
have
the
system,
you're
architecting,
so
you
say
this:
is
this?
Isn't
what
we
have
and
you
you
know
discounted-
is
trying
to
do
this.
Look
at
the
speaker.
I'm
you've
got
a
series
of
nonprofits
that
you
work
with.
You
have
a
sister
series
of
organizations.
B
Neighborhoods,
it's
gonna
be
serviced
over
all
right
back.
You
know
it's
called
rapper.
You've
got
some
way,
so
you
have
to
do
bulik,
routing
other
people.
You
me
not
not
open
source
ecology,
but
whoever
you're
parking
within
in
town,
for
example,
and
then
you
also
got
to
decide
who
your
good
vehicle,
nobody,
my
house
or
good
meal.
If
it's
in
five
days,
could
you
do
a
multi-family
dwelling?
B
You
you
know,
could
you
do
the
buoyancy
in
ten
days
so
it
could
be
for
families
again,
I,
don't
know
or
three
generations
of
a
family
or
something
like
that,
but
just
to
me,
like
you
and
your
pocket,
ecosystems,
okay.
So
this
is
the
system,
it's
what
it
looks
like
I'm
losing
the
people
that
you
need
and
we
will
help
you
walk
through
this
thing
to
connect
to
during
that
lose
twice
so
that
they
get
better
and
better
and.
B
A
That's
that's
the
missing
link.
The
turnkey
part
is
the
missing
link,
so
the
R&D
part
is
to
do
that.
Extensive
documentation,
improving
out
of
the
systems,
that's
what's
missing
and
that's
the
part
that
takes
the
time
so
yeah
we
can
go
out
to
these
people
and
and
do
that,
but
what's
our
product
it
without
that
streamline
level
of
streamlining
we
we
are
not
there.
Yet!
That's
that's
the
point
so
that.
B
A
A
B
A
partner,
and
then
you
say
you
know,
we'll,
invest
on
our
side
and
then
you
invest
on
your
side
and
said
you
know
it's
it's
$25,000
or
$50,000
for
the
$60,000
brother
and
then
we'll
need
your
architect
system.
If
you
all
created
and
documentation,
I
mean
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
that
cost
to
do
it,
but
it
tells
to
me
like
somebody
in
replicating.
We
say
you
know
we
can
train
and
then,
by
the
end
of
five
years,
you've
got
500
trained
builders
in
your
town.
B
That
can
either
do
this
work
or
they
take
that
elsewhere
because
they
build
these
kinds
of
houses
and
that
you
can
imagine
having
a
network
around
the
country,
people
saying:
okay,
we
want
to
build,
we
want
to
do
an
extreme
deal
and
we
need
ten
people.
Who've
done
this
X
times
you
forum.
Where
then
you've
got
a
database
of
people
that.
A
A
B
A
B
Again,
the
first
one
is
the
hardest
and
you
do.
One
I
saw
what,
if
you
do,
what,
if
you
do,
but
if
you've
done
10
and
the
learnings
of
the
10
cuz,
that's
wise
you're
doing
all
that
stuff
yourself
is
one
of
the
challenges.
You've,
always
habits
like
you've
got
to
build
off
the
whole
documentation.
What,
if
you
just
said,
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
B
B
Using
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
know
what
species
are.
Someone
I
think
that
once
or
twice
every
tenth
or
four
times,
I
matter
how
much
easier
or
better
it
gets,
but
Dexter
any
no
idea,
but
it's
got
to
be.
It's
got
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
sort
of
a
big
jump,
efficiency
from
one
to
two
and
then
probably
from
two
to
five
there's
another
one
but
I,
don't
know
what
does
I
know
it
does
look
like
yeah.
A
Well,
actually,
look
I
think
it's.
The
idea
is
that
if
you
have
the
design
which
is
optimized
for
this
parallel
build
that's
the
critical
part.
The
point
is
that
if
you
have
that
anyone
can
add,
execute
it
in
rapid
time,
but
they
have
to
the
leader
of
that
crew.
They
have
to
have
a
good
skill.
They
have
to
be
aware
there
there's
architect,
but.
B
A
A
The
question
still
remains
like
who
is
them?
Where
is
the
business
like
it's
very
easy
for
anybody
to
go
into
that
setting
and
actually
build
the
house?
They
could
do
it,
but
but
the
real
deal
is
getting
a
client
going
through
codes,
logistics,
organizing
the
event,
there's
a
whole
deal
around
it.
That's
that's
the
part,
that's
difficult!
That's
where
we
you
need,
like
pretty
sharp
people,
do
that.
A
B
A
B
Partner,
we're
gonna
come
in
and
they're
gonna
they're
going
to
do
the
they're
gonna
make
sure
all
that
stuff
happens.
I
mean
if
you've
got
a
good
local
government.
It
may
call
us
and
cattle
more
quickly,
my
theoretically
vision,
so
you
got
they
supplying
expediter.
This
makes
that
stuff
happen
in
a
week,
but
I
don't
know,
but
there's
expediters
that
live
everywhere,
but
if
going
through
all
the
red
tape
for
what
you're
talking
about,
which
is
much
better
than
you
trying
to
you
know
putting
one
of
your
people
and
you
going
whatever.
B
On
the
local
partner
model,
because
then
you
can
say:
okay,
you
know
it's,
the
trainings
gonna
be
one,
it's
gonna
be
four
houses,
and
so
you
know,
theoretically,
you
could
compress
that
and
that
could
be
a
six-month
training
which
is
theoretical.
You
can
do
four
houses
and
three
months
of
training
at
six
months,
right,
mm-hmm,
oh
they
be
theoretically,
maybe
to
even
do
it
in
four
months.
B
Local
partners
that
are
doing
is
showing
how
this
stuff
happens
and
how
it
happens
quickly
and
where
you
want
to
go
and
who
the
partners
are.
You
know
just
but
I
think
I
think
you've
got
to
focus
at
a
place
because
if
you've
gotta
be
you're,
doing
the
marketing
cost
of
trying
to
get
local
communities
to
buy
in
and
then
you've
got
a
completely
unskilled
workforce.
B
A
B
B
B
The
prison
I
also
think
the
community
service
looking
is
socially
looking
at
the
judicial
system
locally,
and
then
it
goes
only
to
where
everything
just
say,
like
oh
honey,
guys
like
what
happens,
a
public
happens
with,
with
the
between
the
dropout
rate
in
the
schools
and
and
the
community
service
sentences.
What
are
you
doing
with
those
people.
A
B
So
that
you
have
the
little
issues
on
sort
of
how
this
person
or
I
would
just
need
to
start
talking.
People
go
local
and
find
out
what
happens
of
it.
You
know,
what's
the
closest
big
city
to
where
you
are
Kansas
City.
A
A
B
I
think
you
know
see,
see,
what's
close
and
see
see
other
journalist,
any
citizen
see
what
it
sounds
like
yeah,
just
and
I
just
don't
know,
but
you
can't
you
can't
be
there
doing
all
the
groundwork
for
every
single
house.
You
can't
do
that.
That's
why
you
need
partners
I.
A
B
Look
at
your
partners
in
some
way
and
it
may
be
that's
a
disaster
and
you
want
to
do
it
and
I
don't
mean
you
have
to
try
to
see,
but
I
think
you
can't
be
trying
to
recruit
workers
all
the
time
and
you
can
look
at
the
you
can
look
at
churches
and
churches
are
an
interesting
idea,
yet
they
have
to
ladder
up
to
some
larger
organization
because
of
there's.
No.
This
is
really
nice.
We're
gonna
build
one
house
a
year
which
is
okay,
I
mean
what
Hasim
is
fine,
but
I.
A
B
You
know,
and-
and
you
know
so
it
doubtless
but
I
don't
want
ended
up
if
the
habitat
amending
or
some
version
of
that
when
you're,
where
you
it's
sewing,
it
I,
don't
know,
what's
happening
in
Porter
housing
and
things
that
I'm
sure
using
temporary
housing
them
not
doing
this
kind
of
thing.
But
but
that's
that's
the
best
I
can
think
of
it
believe
it.
A
A
B
A
B
It
is,
but
you
people
want
to
come
and
spend
a
month
with
you
and
if
so,
how
it's
over,
enabling
to
pay
to
do
it.
That's
the
hard
thing
cuz.
You
know:
you've
got
people
gotta
come
to
you
and
they've
gotta
pay
to
do
it
and
I'm
saying.
Is
you
take
your
model
to
an
installed
base
of
labor
that
someone's
trying
to
find
out
what
the
hell
we
do
with
these
people?
Then
you
got
a
totally
different
dynamic,
a
totally
different,
dynamic,
okay.
A
B
Just
feels
like
the
model
that
you've
got
is
gonna,
be
one
thing
at
a
time
at
four
a
year
and
it's
you
encounter
inna
and
that's
fine.
It's
just
that.
You
can't
get
any
traction
there
and
say
you
know
so
then
make
sure
you
build
four
houses
right,
which
is
okay,
anything
you
know,
and
so
you
know
and
there's
another
hundred
there's
200
people.
A
Okay
say
say:
we:
we've
got
the
model
worked
out
so
say
Katherine
that
I
couldn't
execute
a
house
and
it's
perfect.
The
result
is
awesome.
You
you
think
that
to
get
people
to
sign
up
and
pay
for
that
like,
for
example,
if
we
say
okay,
pay
pay
for
training,
however,
it
is
10k
will
hire
you
after
that.
So
you
don't
think
we
will
get
people
if
there's.
B
More
young,
what
are
you
hiring?
Are
you
gonna
become
a
production
company
I.
Don't
think
you
want
to
be
construction,
come
by
genius?
Well,
it's!
Why
are
you
hiring
people
to
become
a
contract
like
that's
just
something
totally
differently?
You
want
to
be
the
architects
of
something
you.
B
When
they
gotta
go
and
they've
got
to
go,
they've
gotta
go
recruit,
50
people
again
to
do
their
piece.
That's
it
that's
a
tough
model,
just
just
very
difficult
to
me.
I
know
what
saying
you've
got
like
a
multi-level
marketing
Mellon.
This
is
huge
incentives.
People
to
to
do
this
model,
they're,
not
gonna,
be
out
training.
People
and
again
you
know
the
house.
Would
you
rather
have
your
house
built
by
someone
who's
building
it
for
the
first
time?
B
A
B
I
think
I
think
I
think
you're
talking
about
training
people
for
a
kind
of
a
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
you
think
you
can
do
it
baby
bit.
You
say
you're,
basically
talking
about
training
at
construction
team
so
that
people
can
go
out
and
then
build
their
own
construction
companies.
Is
that
what
you're
talking
about
you
got
to
give
me
an
instruction.
A
To
get
training
the
organizers,
because
the
rest
of
it
is
the
way
I
would
see
it
in
my
mind,
is
we're
training,
the
Martians
and
Caterina's,
who
then
network
with
the
partners
network
with
a
church
or
prison
or
whatever
we
have
to
like
right.
Now
we
don't
have
the
labor
model
figured
out.
We
figured
that
out.
A
So
probably
we
have
to
do
a
couple
of
bills
to
prove
out
some
labor
models
and
stuff,
but
we
train
people
for
that
process,
so
we're
training
the
architects
of
that
system
who
are
running
those
operations
in
different
locations
now
initially
I
would
prefer.
We
just
hire
them
as
they
learn
the
ropes
more
on
like
more
on
organized.
A
B
People
will
pay
money
for
something
a
lot
of
money
which
you're
talking
about
ten
thousand
or
pop
if
they
know
that
they're
gonna
be
able
to
make
five
exFAT
time,
like
people
are
doing
their
coding.
Boot
camps
for
like
to
list
$6,000
for
three
months,
with
the
promise
that
they're
gonna
get
a
job
for
$50,000
plus.
A
B
A
B
And
I
look
at
some
place
where
you've
got
where
you've
got
a
captive.
Labor
force.
Try
to
do
that.
First
yeah,
because
you
say,
then
you
can
get
a
place
like
okay,
we
build
ten
houses
and
we
have
trained
500
people.
That's
a
nice
thing
to
say
that's
and
you're,
not
hiring.
You
know
you're,
not
paying
anybody.
You're,
not
hiring
I
wanted
to
be
able
me
do
you
think
that
you're
gonna
pay
and
then,
when
you
showed
me,
you've
got
a
model,
but
this
really
takes
off
in
some
way
and
I.
B
Don't
know
it
does
or
I
don't
know
about
modification.
So
I,
don't
you
spend
too
much
time
in
terms
of
like
of
like
spending
all
the
time
in
the
model,
because
it
may
be
that
there's
no
model
for
single
houses
for
single
family
driving.
It
may
be
that
the
whole
thing
is
about
some
sort
of
communal
or
a
multi-family
that
you
just
don't
know,
and
the
two
II
could
show
that,
and
you
know
that
and
that's
doing
it
a
bunch
of
different
times
and
saying
well
yeah.
B
This
is
really
nice,
but
I
found
the
build
a
house
I.
Don't
really
want
to
do
it
this
way
or
someone
says
I'm
gonna
build
a
house.
It
really
has
to
you
know:
it's
got
a
house
for
families,
something
there's
different
things.
You
have
to
look
at
I.
Just
I
just
feel
like
right
now.
You've
got
a
hunch
about
something,
that's
gonna
work
and
then
you're
talking
about
hiring
people
to
do
something
that
we
haven't
proven
out.
That's
all
yeah.
A
B
I
mean
I
feel
like
what
you
need
to
do.
Is
you
look
at,
but
for
this
for
the
moment,
we're
looking
at
stuff
right
now
and
then
that's
it.
I'm
gonna
have
to
hop
off
cuz
we've
got
a
meeting
anything,
but
it's
gonna
start
about
two
minutes.
You've
got
a
look
at
what
can
I
do?
Where
is
their
install
base?
That
will
help
so
there
installed
beside
her
like
who
can
I
get
from
labor
that
we
can
use
over
and
over
again
never
get
with
his
demand
for
housing
of
some
sort.
B
Maybe
not
these
houses
but
some
variation
where
it's
a
big
housing
demand
a
captive
demand
for
housing,
but
it's
got
to
be
under
market
cost
in
some
way.
Where
is
there
huge
demand
for
skill
development?
She
try
to
look
at
those
three
areas
and
see
what
you
can
come
up
with
and
then
you
know
follow
each
one
of
them,
because
otherwise,
your
marketing
for
all
three
and
that's
a
disaster.
B
Your
marketing
for
recruiting
for
talent,
your
marketing
for
recruiting
people
who
want
to
buy
a
new
money,
build
a
house
like
this
at
this
cost
and
then
you're
recruiting
for
you
know
how
he
can
replicate
it
enough
times.
You
want
to
say
we
don't
want
some
of
them
twice
but,
like
you
know,
this
should
be
do
the
ten
times
that
next
year
we're
doing
25
times
them.
You
know
and
we're
doing
some
sort
of
permanent
I
think
I.
Think
the
permanent
piece
is
important
that
you
bar,
especially
with
more
and
more
choice.
B
A
B
A
B
But
I
think
you
need
to
test
a
bunch
of
different
models
yeah,
but
we're
thinking
about
testing
the
models
where,
where
you're
struggling
with
with
with
how
you're
funding
it,
because
you're
not
gonna,
get
any
kind
of
funding
without
being
able
to
have
somebody
show
you
replicating
it
and
then
showing
all
of
them
all
of
the
metrics
of
what's
happened
out
of
it.
So
someone's
you
know
what
you
can
build
and
you
can
build
how
many
or
trained
how
many
people
can
learn
it
from.
B
You
know
the
first
to
the
second
or
the
third
to
the
fourth:
how
many
of
them
then
converging
some
sort
of
management
or
leadership
thing
with
it
would
be
entrepreneur
in
it.
Those
are
the
kind
of
metrics
I
think
that
get
people
who
are
looking
for
community
development
and
workforce
development
excited
yeah.