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From YouTube: Development Team Meeting - Mar 19, 2019
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1. Open Source Manufacturig Execution System
2. D3D v19.02
3. D3D PVC version
4. Incentive Challenge
5. Touched on OBI Seed Eco-Home Models
6. Open Source Everything Store - Collaboration Specification
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A
A
Everything
store,
OS,
es,
open
source
everything
store.
Honestly,
we
can
maybe
start
talking
about
that
a
little
bit,
but
also
the
update,
I'm
Vincent.
The
challenge
work
regarding
real,
solid
conceptualization
on
that
and
then
updates
on
be
3d.
Let's
see
so,
oh
I'll
start
it
and
this
week
let's
have
the
next.
A
A
I
guess
in
the
next
week,
or
so
basically
implementing
the
idea
that
you
can
order
parts
they're
directly
printed
online
automatic
processing
of
payment
and
therefore
also
connected
to
a
physical
production
plant
of
a
3d
printer
that
can
knock
off
parts
and
put
parts
and
then
knock
them
off
the
build
plate
so
that
we
can
set
up
somewhat
of
an
automated
production
system
or
hardware.
Now
the
good
part
about
is,
of
course,
as
always,
a
fully
open
source
tool
chains.
So
I
recommend
you
take
a
look
at
that
video.
A
A
This
is
what
I'm
building
right
now
still
haven't
run
it
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
troubleshooting
of
this
kind
of
like
there's
a
lot
of
minor
changes
here,
so
I'll
go
through
that,
but
the
current
version
would
be
3b
1902,
as
you
see
here
now,
is
able
to
access
the
full
8
by
8
enter
each
other
bed
and
I.
Think
it's
about
gonna
be
about
7
inches
in
a
Z
direction,
but
it's
it's
such
that
the
axis
rides
on
top
and
you're
able
to
reach
all
the
all
the
space.
A
A
A
A
Share
d3
DV
1902
page,
so
you
see
this.
This
is
the
actual
extruder.
That's
used
with
the
sensor.
Holder
fan
blower
new
endstops,
look
like
what
you
have
here
and
these
so
so
tiny,
very
tiny
structure
that
holds
a
tiny
and
stopping
it
Mouse
right
on
the
rods.
That's
working!
Well,
the
new
sensor
plan
holder
I,
mentioned
now.
The
nozzle
I,
also
over
the
cats
of
the
cat,
is
fully
drawn
out
now
the
CAD.
Let
me
see
I'm
gonna
open
up
the
CAD
right
here.
A
A
But
it's
riding
above
the
surface
of
the
frame,
and
why?
Because,
if
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
people
are
using
this
and
they're
starting
up,
there's
never
a
case
where
the
nozzle
could
actually
hit
the
frame
which
wasn't
and
like?
If
you
look
at
the
CAD
right
now,
what's
the
catch
show?
Well,
the
cat
shows
that
the
nozzle,
let
me
just
do
a
video
orthographic,
so
look
at
this
see
the
nozzle
is
like
a
right
at
the
top
of
the
frame.
A
B
A
Is
raise
I
have
to
redraw
the
holes
in
the
frame
to
raise
this,
so
the
nozzle
does
not
very
conclusively
ever
hit
the
frame
that
you
can
break
the
nozzle
I'll
break
the
heater
block
off
the
entire
structure.
If
you
ran
into
it,
ran
into
the
frame
with
stepper
motors,
so
yeah
I
just
raised
it
up
to
be
completely
safe.
A
This
is
pretty
much
how
the
thing
looks
for
the
for
the
bed.
You
see
these
sandwiches
of
idler
pieces
they're,
raising
it
all
I
did
here
was
actually
I
didn't
do
that.
This
was
my
initial
idea
that
it
turned
out
what
I
did
was
use
a
motor
piece
standing
vertically.
So,
instead
of
using
three
more
pieces,
I
used
one
motor
piece
standing
vertically
caught
through
the
nut
catcher
holes
in
the
motor.
So
you
know
how
to
X.
A
You
can
have
X
to
Y
connections
using
the
universal
axis
system,
like,
for
example,
where
you
connect
the
bed
here
to
the
carriage
through
using
these
nut,
cutting
through
holes,
nut
catchers
inside
some
of
the
printed
pieces.
But
that's
how
I
attach
the
motor
piece
to
make
a
vertical
platform
stand?
Why?
Because
the
bed
has
to
be
a
little
higher
because
the
nozzle
is
so
high.
A
The
printing
gantry
is
so
high.
So
while
this
mess
about
using
these
standard
parts
well,
one
of
the
design
principles
here
is
absolute.
Minimum
part
count.
So
that's
by
design
so
that
we're
not
adding
any
more
additional
parts
here.
No
so
had
a
slight
discovery
to
that
which
was
kind
of
accidental,
but
we
know
that
this
system
is
designed
for
using
just
two
bolts
to
put
the
entire
guns
universal
access
together:
18
millimeters
and
30
millimeter,
m6
bolts,
two
bolts
once
again
middle
part,
count
turns
out
the
m18
Bolton.
This
is
a
very
fine
detail.
A
The
N
18
bolt
is
actually
sufficient.
It
is
in
this
piece
right
here
if,
instead
of
using
this
as
a
clam
shell
of
two
pieces
which
is
not
drawn
in
detail
here,
but
it's
a
clamp
show
of
two
pieces.
If
you
used
an
18
bolt,
you
can
also
do
that.
So
standard
use
the
m30
bolt
to
go
through
this
piece.
If
you
want
to
use
the
nut
hatchet
catch,
your
haul
of
the
piece
that's
lying
perpendicular
to
it,
turns
out
that
with
an
18
ball,
t
can
use
one.
B
A
Okay,
that's
that's
a
discovery
which
was
kind
of
interesting.
For
my
perspective.
Since
we're
like
we're
saying,
we've
got
just
a
few
tiny
tiny
set
of
pieces.
What
is
it
like?
What
was
that
number
like
twelve
or
something
some
small
number
that
gets
you
the
entire
universal
access
system?
It's
only
like
somewhere
in
a
tense
area
which
I
don't
think
anybody
else
does
so
for
the
entire
universal
access
good
stuff.
A
A
A
It's
not
like
me
to
zoom
in
for
some
reason,
let's
zoom
in
this
way.
This
piece
here
is
the
half
carriage
piece.
It's
got
the
bearing
inside.
So
if
this
is
one
of
the
y-axis
here,
if
the
y1
and
y2
are
not
exactly
parallel,
this
has
a
little
play
where
this
can
go
in
and
out
of
this,
this
idler
piece,
which
is
bearings
inside
of
it.
So
so
the
actual
motion
is
carried
the
idler
piece.
A
This
is
the
functional
idler
piece,
and
then
this
one
is
the
alignment
piece
where
these
rods
can
go
in
and
out.
If
the
y
axes
are
not
parallel-
and
that
looks
like
that's
great,
that
means
we'll
never
ever
get
binding
up
and
you
don't
have
to
even
pay
attention
to
how
parallel
your
Y
axes
are,
whereas
before
we
have
to
be
very
careful
that
they're
quite
parallel,
otherwise
your
axes
gonna
bind
up.
A
So
it's
a
good
good
step
forward
in
terms
of
ease
of
producing
this
thing
on
your
own
once
again
going
for
industrial
productivity
and
a
small
scale,
meaning
distributed
production
distributed
enterprise
where
anybody
can
do
this,
without
particular,
requiring
very
high
skill
sets
to
make
this
work
well
and
work.
I
mean
how
well
professional-grade
the
perfect
prints
features.
A
A
So
let
me
continue
on
to
the
incentive
challenge,
so,
instead
of
challenge,
I
can
send
you
guys-
and
you
can
actually
remind
me
afterwards.
I
can't
share
this
in
the
public,
because
my
coach
I
have
a
coach
for
marketing
and
he's
not.
We
think
we're
gonna
do
some
major
major
annihilation
of
transformation
of
the
various
sectors.
So
he
didn't
want
to
publish
this
for
threat
of
success,
but
the
idea
is
I
can
send
you.
A
Basically,
the
idea
being
put
a
lot
of
energy
into
it
and
list
the
developers
not
only
for
the
design
challenge,
but
with
a
very
explicit
intent
of
of
them
having
this
as
a
sideline
business
opportunity
so
so
create
enough
of
that
infrastructure
to
make
it
happen.
So
that
means
some
of
the
business
development
sides
would
have
to
go
into
the
development
challenge.
A
So
what's
new
about
this?
Nothing
much
outside
of
what
was
the
use
to
me
was
that
a
person,
namely
my
coach,
totally
got
onto
the
idea
of
this.
This
concept
of
a
distributive
enterprise
where
we're
going
mainstream
and
actually
scaling
completely
through
mom-and-pop
operations,
distributed
production.
All
the
stuff
we've
been
talking
about
so
meaning
fully
open
source,
open
source
to
change,
for
production,
fully
open
source
design
and
with
the
intent
that
were
actually
would
be
able
to
succeed
in
a
given
market
place
like
a
cordless
drill,
which.
A
A
A
B
A
We
can
involve
people
in
the
general
process
in
OSE
and
then
the
incentive
challenges
part.
So
if
you
go
to
the
incentive
challenges,
there's
a
bunch
of
notes
on
the
mechanics
of
that
so
I
guess.
The
main
highlights
that
I'd,
like
to
summarize,
are
that
we
involve
the
developers
in
a
deep
way.
There
are
true
stakeholders,
there's
nothing
new
here,
really
like
compared
to
what
we've
been
talking
about
in
terms
of
concepts,
but
the
the
the
bottom
line
ends
up
with
execution
right.
So
so
it's
about.
Can
we
build
the
relationships?
A
B
A
Of
money,
we
think
it
actually
took
more
than
that,
because
we
need
some
more
infrastructure
to
make
that
happen,
to
make
sure
that
the
marketing
happens,
the
community
building
happens,
and
then
it
questions.
How
do
you
fund
raise
that?
Well
once
again
crowdsourcing?
So
we
have
to
have
a
companion
case
and
some
credibility
behind
this,
but
that's
that's
the
state.
A
The
the
idea
was
that
my
coach
was
able
to
understand
that
and
completely
see
the
potential
and
that
to
the
point
that
he
was
suggesting
that
yeah
we
can
make
a
significant
and
skeletal
dent
on
this,
at
least
to
the
point
that
there
was
no
struggle.
Whether
this
is
possible
is
definitely
possible,
and
the
question
now
now
comes
down
to
okay.
How
do
you
actually
end
up
doing
this,
whereas
before
I
was
running
it
like
you
know
what
I
talk
about
this
to
different
people?
It's
like
yeah,
nice
idea.
A
But
how
are
you
gonna
do
that
this?
This
is
more
like
okay,
this
is
good.
We
can
make
it
work.
How
do
we
make
it
work
right?
So
that
was
very
encouraging,
and
this
is
the
beginning
of
that,
and
that
completely
goes
into
the
work
with
a
3d
printer,
because
if
you
talk
about
a
small
enterprise
for
that,
you
can
also
incorporate
lifecycle
stewardship.
That
means
you're
getting
your
raw
materials
from
the
recycle
stream
or
your
recycling
the
products
at
the
end
of
life.
It's
like
a
cordless
drill.
A
A
200
bucks
like
a
regular
drill,
but
the
difference
is
gonna
be
on
the
lifetime
here
he
can
replace
it
repair
it
you're
talking
about,
not
maybe
like
say
two
to
five
years
or
two
to
70
Ayres
that
that
professional,
cordless
drills
last
you
talking
for
as
long
as
you
like
so
let's
say,
connects
the
efficiency
on
material
use
because
you
can
always
recycle
or
rebuild
it
upgrade
it
as
you
like.
Let's
see
what
does
a
quick
search
for
average
life,
Oh
professional,
cordless
drill.
A
A
A
B
A
A
So
that
cover
is
the
know.
The
incentive
challenge
part.
So
that's
getting
ready
for
that.
Don't
know,
don't
have
a
date
for
when
it
will
kick
off,
but
that's
definitely
major
promotional
forward.
So,
let's
talk
about
collaborative
product
development,
so
with
all
this
burbling
up
with
John
some
manufacturing
solutions
system
on
this
open
source
work
like
a
three
and
I
are
talking
about
she's
she's
into
cosmetics
like
like
such
as
well
back
back
from
her
materials
work,
she's
doing,
for
example,
things
like
deodorant
soaps,
shower
gels.
A
She's
actually
experimenting
a
little
bit
with
that
right
now,
but
there's
products
like,
for
example,
3d
printed,
underarm
protection
or
deodorant
container,
and
all
this
stuff
combines
3d,
printing
and
you've
got
some
products
on
the
top
of
that.
So
that's
one
route.
Another
realm
is
all
kinds
of
mechatronics.
Another
realm
is
furniture.
Everything
yeah
you
name
it
I
mean
my
claim
is
80%
of
what's
on
it
Amazon
if
they
have
open
source
design
and
basic
micro
factory,
but
so
so
the
thing
I
would
call
out
for
is
getting
more
attention
to.
A
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
page
called
open
source
everything
store,
basically
a
distribute
enterprise.
Where
the
question
is,
how
do
you
motivate
people
to
to
collaborate
on
doing
that
like?
How
do
you
develop
products
openly?
Well,
first
of
all,
you
have
to
be
radically
open
and
accept
that
the
kind
of
bravery
that
says
hey
we're
actually
given
us
a
way
to
the
world,
but
the
idea
would
be
that
people
create
this
collaboratively.
So
this
is
a
little
template.
A
I
drew
up,
but
you
can
buy
the
product
or
you
can
buy
for
the
production
of
that
product.
What
is
that?
That
means
you
can
get
trained,
how
to
manufacture
that
to
not
only
can
you
consume
it,
but
you
can
also
produce
it
so
once
again,
transitioning
the
framework
of
society
from
consumers
to
more
producers
everywhere,
along.
A
Des
tend
to
get
hook
unaccountable
so
distributed.
Enterprise
is
a
good
idea,
but
there's
a
huge
environmental
vent
to
that
in
that
current
way,
I
framed.
That
is,
if
you
want
to
be
an
environmentalist
you
should
produce
in
your
own
community
and
why,
because
I
believe
that
the
only
way
we're
gonna
get
accountability
for
the
natural
materials
natural
resources
is,
if
they're
they
come
closer
from
from
our
communities,
because
then
we
see
the
effects
we
have
on
the
environment.
A
It's
not
somewhere
far
away
where
you
don't
see,
but
it's
part
of
your
life,
so
you
have
to
take
include
or
not
externalize.
The
environment
is
just
part
of
the
way
things
are.
So
that's
why
I
think
the
case
for
distributed
and
local
production
in
my
view
is
inevitable,
because
we
cannot
continue
going
as
we
are
today
with
a
lot
of
the
global
annihilation
through
environmental,
various
environmental
issues.
So
that's
that's
the
greater
motivation
here,
but
on
open
source
everything
store.
The
question
is
I
know
you
want
to
during
this
me.
A
Maybe
brainstorm
a
few
ideas
about
the
governance,
because
it
really
when
we
talk
about
the
collaboration
specification,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
collaborate
to
do
that?
So,
first
of
all,
we
can
start
talking
about
that
in
our
group
here
and
then
invite
other
people,
but
first
to
get
very
clear
about
okay.
How
is
this
gonna
work
and
I
would
propose
that,
in
order
to
involve
any
people
has
to
be
simple,
low
hanging
kind
of
an
enterprise.
A
Now
the
way
we
can
do
it
using
modern
distributed
computer
infrastructures
by
embedding
things,
so
so,
there's
all
kinds
of
software
tools
for
for
marketing
or,
like
your
website,
to
put
your
product
on
your
credit
card
processing
of
this
to
that
that
can
be
treated
as
modules
and
I
would
propose
that
if
we
start
this
in
a
massive
way,
the
way
it
can
scale
is
using
very
simple
platforms.
If
you
don't
do
anything
dedicated
like,
if
you
don't
want
to
dedicate
crap
platform,
just
start
experimenting
at
a
wiki
which
is
an
infinitely
infinitely
scalable
platform.
A
You
can
embed
every
in
there,
so
we
can
do
mock-ups
or
prototypes
on
the
wiki,
and
then
different
people
can
set
up
by
using
a
different
module
set
up
their
own
stores.
So
it
doesn't
even
have
to
think
micromanage.
It
could
be
a
very
wild
thing
now
for
says:
there's
some
underlying
organization
some
framework
for
head,
but
the
least
interference
on
the
bureaucracy
side,
the
better
once
again.
A
C
C
A
A
Everything
store
because
of
these
books
and
Amazon's,
if
left,
unchecked
I,
think,
are
quite
dangerous
for
society,
as
some
would
say,
for
example,
in
2016
election
with
Facebook
and
stuff,
like
that,
this
kind
of
stuff
make
it
accessible,
and
this
is
the
idea-
and
how
are
you
executed
is
there's
a
golden
question,
but
yeah
it's
it's
a
bad
that
not
only
can
you
put
your
products
up
there
and
I
mean
the
way
it
could
work.
Is
that
the
resources
there
are
truly
free.
Knowledge
wants
to
be
free,
but
we're
transitioning.
A
B
A
A
Everyone
today
insist
that
first,
we're
gonna
create
the
cryptocurrency
and
that
we're
gonna
create
physical
realities
that
support
it.
That's
the
that's
the
way
to
think
about
it.
I
I
mean
Bitcoin
falls
into
that
I've
chosen
to
this
trap.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
like
what
does
it
feel
like
I
believe
that
currency
should
be
backed
that
and
the
most
tangible
way
to
back.
It
is
my
physical
stuff.
So
so,
if
you
have
open
source
everything's
store
or
like
the
open
source
micro
factor,
we
forget
a
global
repository
of
design.
A
B
A
Idea
of
our
own
currencies
I
mean
that's
just
part
of
that
solutions
that
we
have
to
transform
right,
and
that
probably
will
happen
pretty
soon,
but
yeah
there's
a
there's
an
order
to
that
the
sequencing
to
how
that
shouldn't
happen
not
only
on
my
radar,
but
you
know
like
can't
really
get
too
excited
about
these
things
when,
when
they're
not
starting
with
okay,
how
do
we
create
a
physical
Rio
like
the
proper
way
to
do?
It's
like?
Okay,
let's
think
about
a
cryptocurrency.
But
what
is
that
thing
that
is
driving
the
economy?
C
A
A
Yeah
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
yeah
lots
of
very
cool
stuff,
but
the
conversation
of
John
just
was
actually
quite
encouraging
because
I
guess
it
was
like
the
first
person
to
really
say:
okay,
damn:
let's
do
it
and
really
really
connecting
to
these
ideas
and
actually
potentially
has
the
skills
to
actually
do
that
with
his
engineering
background.
So
that's
really
good.
We
just
need
more
of
that.
A
We
need
more
people
like
John
to
where
the
skill
sets
to
just
simply
get
involved
in
working
on
the
pieces,
but
the
first
thing
that,
of
course,
you
have
to
have
the
open,
open
culture
or
that
collaboratory.
That
makes
you
do
that
in
the
first
place,
because,
without
that,
this
is
like
completely
foreign
and
impossible
in
one's
mind.
Right
like
if
you
talked
to
a
century
ago,
they.
A
A
Yeah
so,
but
very
exciting
stuff,
that's
happening
in
this
and
I
think
we
can
really
do
a
lot
to
push
it
forward
and
not
as
super
distant
as
seems
it's
it's
around
the
corner
I
think
with.
If
we
really
were
to
pay
attention
to
the
promise
of
hope-
and
so
it's
like,
for
example,
look
at
rousillon,
for
example,
I
mean
he's
working
on
logistics
systems
that
are
funded
by
the
likes
of
Amazon
right.
Well,
it
takes
a
few
people
like
rousillon.
A
You
know,
there's
John
as
ourselves,
everybody
put
in
the
missing
pieces
of
of
a
framework
that
is
open
source,
not
just
benefiting
someone
funder,
someone
company
that
funds
it
just
like.
There's
a
lot
of
issues
today
with
academia
being
corporate
funded.
Where
a
lot
of
knowledge
you
never
ever
see.
You
know
it's
public
institutions
and
all
that
stuff
hides
because
companies
either
playing
don't
publish
or
they
publish
stuff.
B
A
That's
secure
for
them
to
publish
because
nobody
will
compete
with
them
because
they
don't
disclose
the
full
information
on
how
to
do
things
so
right,
there's
definite
issue
with
academia.
That's
that's!
Where
the
open
science
movement
comes
in,
where
people
are
saying:
okay,
everybody
first
of
all
should
have
access
to
the
papers
like
right
now.
That's
in
our
way,
I
cannot
get
access
to
a
lot
of
papers
that
have
cutting-edge
stuff
that
could
be
relevant
to
our
work
right.
That's
yeah!
A
A
Yeah!
Maybe
Nathan
will
discuss
with
you,
sorry,
I'm,
printing,
the
part
right
now
I'm.
Actually
there
Chuck,
where
it
is,
but
the
thing
that
occurred
to
me:
it's
like
okay
for
one
I
printed
the
thing
out
for
a
bit
works,
but
you
guys
all
we
gotta
get
our
hands
on
a
printer
and
I
think
the
framework
to
to
work
with
that
with
is
okay.
Let's
think
I
bought
a
$250
printer.
A
Do
you
guys
have
250
bucks
to
spend
on
one,
because
you
can
throw
money
for
that
and
therefore
what
I
would
suggest
is
actually
so
a
Abe
and
Nathan
take
a
look
at
where,
let's
take
a
look
at
where
the
d3d
PVC
is
cuz,
I
think
you
can
get
I,
don't
see
why
you
cannot
get
very
good
performance
with
a
PVC
frame.
Now
you
might
not
get
us
as
good
as
when
we
do
with
metal.
You
might
not
be
able
to
go
that's
fast,
but
for
basic
prototyping
purposes.
A
I
think
you
should
be
perfectly
fine
and
you
can't
go
to
a
lower
brow.
Extruder
like
okay,
so
the
yellow
to
this,
the
titan
arrow
as
I
mentioned
I
mean
that's
a
hundred
bucks
and
if
you
get
the
big
big
nozzle
that
it's
called
the
super
volcano,
that's
another
hundred
bucks.
That's
is
like
two
hundred
actually
close
to
300
in
the
extruder
itself.
Ego
full
professional
grade
like
nice
to
put,
but
you
can
get
a
twenty
dollar
extruder
as
well,
which
would
be
that's.
A
So
there's
different
ways
to
do
it
and
for
the
what
I
would
say
is
for
the
PVC,
let's
finalize
the
design
and
maybe
I
could
test
print
it
and
see
if
it's
an
actual
real
working
product,
so
at
least
the
corners,
maybe
like
the
PVC,
we'll.
Let
you
guys,
you
know,
get
that
in
a
hardware
store,
but
the
corners
and
everything
as
much
as
we
can.
We
can
3d
print
that,
including
the
patch
mints
to
the
frame
which
I.
A
Don't
see
that
and
it
amazed
me
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
my
facebook
cuz
that
the
update
on
that
on
the
clamp
which
clamps
to
the
PVC
three-quarter
inch
PVC,
that
it
drew
up
it's
working
actually.
So
so
what
happened
was
site
I
tested
it
with
with
3/4
inch
PVC
is
here
and
so
my
facebook.
Let
me
just
paste
it
in
copy
image
and
paste
it
in
cool.
B
A
That
actually
works
well
and
and
what
I'm,
showing
there
is
the
one
millimeter
gap
version
and
the
tight
look,
the
the
hole
was
pretty
tight.
You
can
spin
that,
like,
if
you
take
it,
you
can
spin
it
on
a
PVC,
but
it's
really
hard
to
push
it
down.
You
can't
push
it
down
whether
the
basic
clamping
force
and
that's
printed,
just
20%.
D
What
I've
been
looking
at?
Let's
see,
I
posted
what
I
was
just
looking
at
your
photos,
a
lot
there
because
they
answered
a
lot
of
questions
are
still
having
about
the
cab,
because
the
cat
I
think
was
a
little
bit
rougher.
And
then
you
see
your
your
mock-up
there
yeah,
but
I,
just
kind
of
looking
in
rough.
A
D
Wide
and
so
I
figured
that
the
3/4
PVC
should
be
a
little
bit
smaller.
Actually,
although
I
think
it's
actually
I
think
the
total
diameter
on
that
is
a
little
bit
larger.
Actually
because
it's
point,
25
I
can
try
and
remember
it
I
think
it's
significant
outside
of
the
PVC,
but
it
should
be
there
to
adapt
I
think
so
far.
Assuming
can
get
like
we're
talking
about
the
extruder
hitting
the
top
of
that
metal.
There
I
was
looking
at
that
earlier.
C
A
D
B
D
All
the
frames
designs
in
general-
that's
gonna,
make
this
volume
it'd
be
good
to
keep
it
consistent.
So
the
thing
I
see
immediately
is
the
angle
brackets.
They
have
to
be
a
little
bit.
Oh,
say
taller.
I
think
they
have
to
come
down
at
least
a
quarter
inch
longer.
You
call
them
the
XY
angle,
brackets
I.
Think
yeah.
A
A
D
They
just
go
below
the
corners,
and
so
that
actually
sets
it
down
a
little
bit
lower.
Let's
see
there
I
mean
I,
guess
the
clamps
could
be
I,
don't
know
that
easy
to
ridges
on
the
clamps
to
go
on
the
corner
part
that
trouble
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
would
work
very
well
plus.
We
might
end
up
needing
multiple
designs
of
the
clamps
like
a
clap
version
that
goes
on
the
the
pipe
part
and
then
on
the
corner.
D
It
would
be
different,
so
yeah
I,
just
yeah,
yeah
and
I'm
just
trying
to
eyeball
what
what
would
work
and
what
we're?
Not
it's,
not
I.
Well
I,
actually
raised
it
up,
I
think
and
I
just
I'm
just
looking
at
it,
so
I
think
it
it.
There
I
think
that
the
carriage
currently
is
just
skimming
the
top
of
the
pipes
or
well
it's
even
with
the
top
of
the
pipe
I
think
and
so
I
think
I
think
it
needs
to
come
up
a
little
higher
just
to
avoid
some
things
hitting
but
uh-huh.
D
The
only
thing
I
see
right
now,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
bunch
of
other
issues
is
that
XY
angle
bracket
would
need
to
be
a
little
bit
taller
in
the
Z
direction.
The
way
it
mounts
there
all
right,
I
think
I
get
a
little
better
from
here
photos
of
the
actual
mock-up
you
did.
The
stuff
I
wasn't
understanding
the
CAD.
So
that's
that's
good,
but
yeah.
D
A
A
You're,
you
don't
have
your
end,
stop
you
don't
wanna,
lose
your
break
off
your
extruder
heater
block
and
then
have
a
pain
using
a
screw.
Extractor
trying
to
you
know,
extract
that
threaded
part.
That's
in
there,
so
by
design
we
have
to
design
it,
so
it's
impossible
under
fault
condition
or
it
to
break.
But
now
one
easy
solution
here.
All
we
could
do
is
have
one
plate.
That's
simply,
it
can
literally
be
one
of
the
you
know.
A
half
piece
of
the
okay.
A
D
A
C
D
A
A
D
D
A
D
A
I've
been
thinking
about
that
than
my
thoughts
from
before
are
so
so
make
all
these
parts
hollow
right.
So
then,
at
the
end
like
when
you're
building
your
frame,
you
can
drill,
say
a
half
inch
hole
or
like
a
3/4
inch
hole
in
one
of
the
corner
pieces
and
have
plaster-of-paris
that
you
just
pour
down
with
a
funnel
and
it
fills
the
entire
frame.
A
D
C
C
A
D
D
Yeah
I'm
gonna
keep
looking
at
that
top.
It's
gotta
see
what
what
changes
I
I,
don't
think
that
modified
in
that
bracket
is
it's
gonna
affect
anything
on
the
other,
so
I
think
I'll
just
modify
that
next
in
dip
down
and
I'm,
not
sure
that's
yeah
yeah
a
lot
of
the
holes
in
stuff
I,
see
in
your
CAD
I've
got
that
open
to
still
look
at
some
of
those
things
there.
It
looks
like
they're,
they're
scale,
different
or
sizes.
Some
things
don't
line
up,
but
I
yeah.
D
D
D
D
B
D
A
D
Yeah
so,
let's
say
you're
saying
for
kits
for
starting
to
prototype
your
testes,
you
were
saying
it
was
like
over
a
couple
hundred
bucks
or
something
what
kind
of
kit
set
up.
I
know
you
did
some
research
other
before
what
kind
of
coz
I
guess
you
said,
think
it's
a
PVC
pipe
from
the
stores,
but
what
kind
of.
A
A
D
A
Faster,
so
take
a
look
at
the
picture.
No,
the
cat
is
it's
exactly
as
it
is
in
a
CAD.
So
that
means
let's
see
what
do
you
see
in
the
cat?
You
see
the
motor
bracket
right,
yeah,
but
okay,
but
hold
on
that's
with
the
tight
narrow,
which
I'm
not
sure
you
want
to
go
right
to
the
tighten
America.
It's
too
expensive.
A
Oh,
so,
if
you
do
a
regular,
some
other
type
of
an
extruder
like
from
before
the
thing
that
does
work
well
is
a
bracket
like
this,
where
you're
attaching
through
the
faceplate,
because
otherwise,
when
we
have
done
before,
is
that
holder,
where
you're
just
holding
the
back
of
the
motor?
That's
fine
too,
but
it
won't
look
in
this
case
because
now
you've
got
this
over
salon,
design,
okay
and
here's
another
thing
and
then
over
salon
design.
A
A
D
D
A
C
A
Using
three
millimeter
bolts,
plus
nylon,
lock
washers
that
make
it
firm
and
the
washers
not
gonna,
come
off
so
tiny
free
million,
lock
washer,
which
in
production
engineering
terms
I,
do
not
like
three
millimeter
bolts
or
nuts
or
whatever
they're
tiny.
You
can
hardly
get
them
in
your
hand
right,
so
you
need
to
use
just
like
pliers
to
hold
it's
just
so
tiny
I
would
in
the
future,
like
I,
have
it
in
its
three
millimeters
right
now,
but
in
the
future,
we're.
C
D
A
Yeah,
it
can't
be
hitting
the
rod
there
because
the
rod
is
moving.
It's
moving
past
the
rod
so
yeah,
but
this
this
is
it
yeah
I.
Guess
you
picked
that
out
yet
right
here
it
would
be
rubbing,
but
it's
just
slightly
off
that
because
you
can
move
that
forward
a
little
bit,
that's
and
what
you
can
get
it
sandwich.
A
A
A
print
so,
for
example,
in
3d
1902
you've
got
part
library.
You've
got
there's
the
e3d
tighten
bracket,
so
that's
the
bracket
for
the
Titan.
It
would
fit
any
other
extruder
too
though,
but
it
you
probably
need
to
understand
it.
So,
okay,
so
that
that's
actually
a
big
change,
if
you're
not
using
the
Titan
with
the
long
volcano
heater
block
or
if
you're,
just
not
using
the
volcano
heater
block,
you're,
not
gonna,
reach
below
them
the
carriage.
Therefore,
you
have
to
put
your
extruder
underneath
now.
Why?
What's
the
difference
between
the
two?
A
B
A
D
Other
versions
as
well
that
way
the
same
plastic
parts
so
yeah
I,
guess
the
other
would
T
to
mount
the
motor
you
stayin
up
anything
you've
got
a
shorter
I.
Guess,
there's
some
things.
Well,
there's
some
things
not
drawn
the
extruder
there,
but
yeah
that
volcano
block
yeah
I'm
used
to
seeing
it
there's
a
longer
but
I,
guess
that
the
difference
between
the
volcano
and
maybe
the
other,
a
3d
or
whichever
vlogs
are
he
got
into
using
as
the
volcano
was
hotter.
Is
that
it
mostly
the
idea.
D
D
D
A
D
A
A
So
I
posted
this
on
the
RepRap
forum
to
to
get
feedback,
but
basically
the
idea
is
why
not
just
stack
two
of
them
or
three
or
four
or
five
or
how
many
you
like
practically
probably
can
do
two
or
three
but
you're,
basically
using
the
volcano
blocks
and
just
connecting
them
together
with
m6
threaded
brass.
So
look
at
that,
but
basically
Ville
there
you
go,
don't
pay
a
hundred,
fifty
paise!
You
know
two
hundred
fifty
paid
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
the
volcano.
B
D
A
You're
talking
about
a
different
concept,
the
concept
you're
talking
about
is
about
printing,
flexible
filaments,
where
you
want
to
reduce
of
path
length
after
you're
driven
after
you
do
the
drive
wheel,
you're
gonna
reduce
the
path
to
the
point
where
it
comes
out
the
nozzle.
So
that's
yes,
the
other
thing.
That's
the
thing
else.
I
think
I
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
the
rubber
extruder
right
another
other
time,
but
I
don't
wait,
I,
don't
think
I.
A
B
A
A
A
Oh
no
I
might
have
been
just
doodling
in
my
notebook,
but
idea
there
was
yeah,
maybe
I,
never
even
put
this
I
typically
work
it
on
like
Google
Docs,
but
the
idea
there
is
able
to
address
your
comment
and
let's
make
a
look
at
the
let's
look
at
the
actual
CAD,
to
show
what
we're
talking
about
that'll
be
better
okay.
So
if
you
see
this
here
and.
A
A
A
So
the
redesign
of
this
would
be
where
the
driving
part
is
in
the
lower
right
to
minimize
that
distance,
so
get
it
as
close
to
them
as
low
and
as
close
to
the
heater
block
as
possible.
The
titan
arrow
does
the
opposite.
Instead
of
the
drive
part
being
low
its
high
and
it's
because
of
their
design,
how
are
they
doing
it
so
there
to
accommodate
for
that?
What
they
do
is
they
have
the
snack
this
confining
neck
that
sticks
up
to
constrain
the
filament.
A
Now
that
is
not
as
good
as
just
just
shortening
the
path
and
getting
rid
of
even
need
to
constrain
the
film
and
because
it's
going
right
into
the
heater
block.
So
that's
that's
the
distinction
there
and
we
need
to
do
that
because
this
store
is
not
designed
for
it
and
I
sent
no
data
on
what
what
is
the
actual
rubber
throughput
rate,
which
I
mentioned
we're
gonna
need
to
do
twenty
pounds
a
day.
You're
gonna
print
tires.
A
I
need
to
do
twenty
pounds
a
day,
five,
ten
twenty
pounds
a
day,
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
that
with
this
extruder
right
now
might
get
well.
It
depends
also
what
kind
of
rubber,
because
there's
all
kinds
of
rubber,
there's
very
hard
rubber
and
there's
a
very
soft
rubber.
You
would
not
possibly
be
even
able
to
do
very
soft
rubber,
durometer.
Sixty
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it.
A
This
will
just
fail.
Will
just
kink
up
know
what
I'm
gonna
get
pushed
through.
So
that's
that's
the
rubber
stuff.
Now,
as
far
as
the
heater
block
itself,
as
long
as
you
get
it
in
there,
and
then
you
want
to
use
once
again,
three
millimeters
opposed
to
1.75,
because
1.75
will
kink
up
on
you
much
more
than
a
three
millimeter.
Naturally,
because
it's
better
yeah.
A
So
the
data
from
the
supervolcano
shows
twenty
pounds
a
day.
They've
got
data
on
it,
that's
for
a
regular
filaments,
it's
not
for
a
rubber!
So
that's
actually
a
somewhat
of
a
blessing.
That's
great
right,
like
there's
already
a
known
solution
for
20
pounds
of
days
proven,
so
we
don't
need
to
innovate
on
that.
That's
there
and
that
meets
like
an
industrial
product
at
the
in
a
small-scale
so
that.
A
So
this
could
be
a
way
to
get
the
recycling
stream
and
wood
waste
stream
to
build
construct
reconstruction
materials.
So
the
only
update
I
can
say
on
that
is
I
thought
about:
okay,
let's
print
some
glazing
materials
in
plastic
lumber
will
Hopoate
print
and
tire
four
by
eight
panels,
like
I'm
printing
right
now,
the
for
the
tiny
model
we
just
scaled
it
up
print
the
whole
thing
in
multiple
material,
so
you've
got
the
structure
that
you
got
the
glazing
part
you
got
rubber,
gaskets
all
in
one
print.
A
How
would
that
be?
That
sounds
pretty
exciting
right,
that's
possible
with
your.
So
we
have
to
do
some
of
that.
That
requires
that
you
have
low-cost
access
to
materials,
processing
infrastructure
at
that
level.
Were
you
printing
large
things?
It
becomes
a
material
handling
issue,
material,
handling
of
processing.
A
So
beyond
the
thing
that
you've
done,
your
desktop,
where
you
just
buy
yourself
all
filament,
if
you
were
to
do
this
with
off-the-shelf
filament,
which
module
would
be
like
a
thousand
dollars
because
filamentous
is
ten
bucks,
a
pound
and
a
module
like
the
one
we
use
for
the
greenhouse.
Let's
say
it
weighs
50
pounds:
okay,
so
50
times
150
times
10.
That
would
be
$500.
A
Yeah,
so
there's
development
needed
there
there's
a
lot
of
development
there.
So
that's
why
working
on
a
larger
printer
and
all
the
stuff,
this
is
like
the
prelude
to
getting
professional
grade
quality
that
anybody
can
build
scaling.
This
up
is
the
next
step
getting
the
larger
heater
blocks,
including
rubber
ability
in
this
system.
A
B
A
B
A
A
D
Bottlenecks,
what
you're
saying
I
don't
know
before
you're
doing
plans
you
have
the
website
and
stuff
set
up
for
doing
like
kids,
different
versions
of
kids
of
printers,
but
I
said
that
that
you're
saying
it's
a
bottleneck
for
you
to
do
that,
because
I
know
that
that
takes
a
lot
of
time,
you're,
probably
the
only
one
building
that
was
right
there.
So
you
said
yes
to
just
be
able
to
use
the
bomb
to
order
the
parts
so
that
it's
not
like
a
kid.
It's
picking
up
your
time
to
put
together
I
can.
A
Help
out,
but
what
I
would
suggest
is
do
some
prep
work
like
understand
it
thoroughly,
so
that
what
I
would
suggest?
Maybe
the
next
steps
can
you
do
like
where
you
take
a
do
like
a
visual
bomb
off
of
this
thing,
so
for
every
single
part,
maybe
do
I
put
it
into
a
Google
Doc
and
then
point
to
the
part
and
point
to
a
link
in
the
bill
material
so
that
it's
transparent.
A
What,
if
everything
is
there,
and
it
would
be
useful
if
you
actually
added
some
more
details
like
okay,
add
the
end
stops
in
there
like?
If
you
are
the
details
like,
for
example,
the
build
play,
get
it
to
be
a
complete
professional
grade
design
and
for
a
professional
grade
means
that
it's
not
missing
anything
as
opposed
to
like
a
bunch
of
little
details
missing
that
make
it
actually
not
working
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Right
so
for.
A
A
Like
I've
got
a
bunch
of
stuff
here,
so
we
can
talk
about
that,
but
like
really
understand
what
you
need
like,
for
example,
here
on
the
platform,
you
can
very
well
easily
do
with
little
8
inch
steel
plate.
You
don't
need
the
heated
bed
if
you're
gonna
print
PLA
on
blue
tape.
That
works
really
well.
You
know
so
for
basic
part
typing
like,
for
example,
I
had
the
I
made
3d
printer
here
that
I
was
working
with
or
testing
for
its
quality.
That
just
has
peat
that
has
no
P
I.
A
A
So
that's
the
change
you're
gonna
have
to
make
you
can
ask
if
you
want
me
to
shove
you
one
of
our
old
extruders
I
can
do
that
so
I'm
yeah
I
mean
I'll
just
ship,
you
all
the
stuff
at
the
cost
of
materials
which
shouldn't
be
too
much.
You
know
and
it
will
work.
But
it's
not
something:
you're
gonna
go
like
professional
grade.
A
But
just
much
slower,
you
know,
but
it's
I
think
still
will
be
a
very
useful,
useful
experience,
because
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
limits.
You'll
see
like
ok.
Now
we
can
upgrade
this.
In
fact,
the
other
thing
I
was
gonna,
ask
remember:
I
should
get
over
to
to
Roberto
some
time
ago
and
then
pretty
soon
after
that
he
just
disappeared
off
the
team.
She
just
asked
him
to
ship
him
back
to
you
guys.
Do
you
have
in
particular.
B
D
D
Yeah
I'm
kind
of
I
guess
torn
I
understand
some
of
the
extruder
and
stuff
like
that
about
the
overall
bill
and
in
some
ways
a
like
a
printer
that
I'm
gonna
invest
in
para,
one
meant
having
the
good
quality
parts
and
stuff.
That's
you
know,
what's
being
worked
on
all
right,
why
you
know
for
the
frame
I
wouldn't
met,
you
know,
testing
the
frame,
it's
a
good
way
to
learn
some
of
the
stuff
and
start
out.
You
can
always
change
parts
later,
because
I
expect
the
main
difference
going
to
be.
D
D
A
D
D
B
A
If
you
actually
make
it
work
really
well,
that
could
be
an
innovation
that
says
wow.
Here's
how
you
can
actually
super
reinforce
a
plastic
frame.
So
you
literally
have
a
steel
plastic.
Concrete
composite
I
mean
you
can
treat
it
as
a
research
project
on
many
aspects,
they're
really
valuable.
Cuz,
like
the
expert,
could
be
okay,
making
3d
printed
like,
for
example,
think
about
a
heavy-duty
CNC
machine.
That's
made
this
way
that
you're
you're
using
plastic
you're,
putting
the
rebar
inside
it
and
filling
it
with
concrete.
Can
that
truly
scale?
B
D
Yeah,
so
if
the
extruders
are
really
a
limitation,
I
guess
the
discipline
extruder
be
better
because
it
sounds
like
well.
I
would
think
that
having
the
larger
nozzle
size,
I
think
would
be
the
better
thing.
As
long
as
the
is
that
just
test
the
speed
of
extrusion
it
are,
the
other,
cheaper
extruders
usually
have
an
outside
source.
That's
something
that's
more
commonly.
D
A
D
D
The
app
access
is
obviously
a
big
benefit
there,
so
yeah
I
know
they're,
so
like
they're,
trying
to
scale
up
the
heaters
to
higher
wattages
too
and
I
saw
some
stuff
about
hotter
ads,
which
I
guess.
If
you
combine
some
of
those
things
in
an
enclosed
option
that
helps
you
yeah
and
a
lot
of
the
stuff
without
yeah.
As.
A
D
A
Them
Dexter
is
kind
of
a
missing
part
which
makes
so
for
a
high
performance
printer.
The
extruder
is
definitely
like
a
missing
link.
I
will
say
in
open
source
world
because
you
got
to
go
to
these
expensive
ones
and,
like
the
proof,
I
mean
the
Mk
eights
I
mean
a
lot
of
those
people,
don't
care
about
the
fast
speed.
So
that's
a
piece:
that's
a
realm!
That's
not
really
getting
pushed
far
because
nobody
can
doing
like
nobody
wants
to
print
furniture.
Everyone.
A
You
know
who's
happy
with
their
desktop
the
little
printer
so
yeah,
that's
that's
a
limit
but
Dexter.
So
there's
an
eel
and
Canada
working.
It's
open
sourcing!
This
simple
MK
extruder,
which
I
would
do
that
I,
would
learn
how
to
build
that,
because
one
way
you
can
think
about
it
is
if
you
develop
a
good
version
of
this.
That's
the
lowbrow
think
about
it
as
that
helping
many
other
people
who
want
to
get
into
this
as
a
low
entry
level.
A
So
I
think
that
okay
on
one
side,
we've
got
industrial
productivity
with
the
main
d30
1902
with
the
e3d
expensive
extruders.
But
it's
also
very
useful
to
have
a
law
cause
experimental
version,
link
that
actually
works
really
well
and
then
excitement
there
goes
about
okay.
How
well
can
we
make
it
perform,
even
though
it
is
so
inexpensive
and
then
then
you
can
make
yourself
like
once
we
so
right
now
we
can
mill
aluminum
with
a
d
3d
cnc,
circa,
the
middle,
that's
doable.
We
can
be
making
your
own
extruders
right
now.
A
So
I
would
say
if
you
have
the
energy
for
that,
think
about
it,
that
way,
that
okay,
I'm
gonna
do
a
cheapo
printer
and
then
I'm
gonna
use
further
technological
recursion
to
get
a
high-performance
extruder.
That
is
cost
you
a
few
dollars
because
you
now
you
learn
how
to
make
it
yourself
and
open
source
those
plans.
So
we
got
to
be
doing
the
tech
recursion,
where
we
start
building
that
equipment
cuz
like
right
now,
man
yeah
the
price
on
those
extruder
is
and
a
big
heater
box
is
simply
prohibitive.
A
Well,
this
is
usual,
it's
not
prohibitive,
but
to
get
the
real
diffusion
and
real
widespread
adoption
and
certainly
limits
it.
You
can't
I
mean
what,
with
the
hundred
fifty
dollars
for
just
the
heater
block,
how
many
people
are
gonna
do
that
right
now
you
know
not
a
lot.
It
just
closes
that
door
for
a
lot
of
people,
yeah.
D
A
A
D
A
Think
about
it,
I
mean
how
about
this
way,
you're
taken
you've
got
a
thin
shell
that
you
print
out
just
enough,
so
he
can
hold
the
rebar
and
cut
and
then
pour
the
concrete
in
there.
So
basically
you're,
basically
3d
printing
yourself
rebar
holders
in
the
form
of
a
cubic
shape,
and
then
you
pour
it
into
the
actual
plastic
and
you
get
a
super
solid
super
low-cost
kind
of
a
frame
using
this
technique.
I
mean
that
is
that
to
me
is
like
I,
think
that's
some
significant
innovation
right
there.
A
A
B
D
B
D
Instead
of
having
a
large
gantry
system,
you
make
a
small
portable
system
that
moves
across
the
material,
and
then
you
have
it
figure
out
its
its
position
in
three-dimensional
space
and
things
like
that
which
I
guess
requires.
You
know
marking
and
things
like
that,
but
that
at
some
point
you
kind
of
need
to,
but
as
well
skill,
instead
of
trying
to
scale
on
can't
resist
somebody's
might
as
well
try
something
like
that.
But
I
don't
know
how
complicated
there's,
probably
no
open-source
software
for
that
I'm
not
sure
whole.
A
A
If
you
have
a
system
like
that,
you
can
tell
right
now
that
you're
gonna
be
limited
to
how
much
force
you
can
enact
cuz
you
lift
yourself
and
stuff
like
that.
So
yeah,
that's
a
concept
but
for
like,
for
example,
yeah
the
Hank
printer
with
a
Hank
printer.
You
couldn't
do
contact
machining,
for
example,
right.
You
can't
suspend
something
like
that
on
the
string,
so
you
can
do
non-contact
work
like
3d
printing
with
a
Hank
printer.
So
what
does
that
thing
that
that
CNC
router
that's
suspended
by
chests.
D
A
D
D
Got
me
thinking
about
that
again.
The
other
day
was
I
saw
one
of
these
3d
plenty.
Pretty
people
on
YouTube,
reviewing
am
I
think
was
a
smart
router,
but
it
was
kind
of
a
collaborative
robot
with
human
moves.
The
wraparound,
but
the
computer
keeps
you
from
making
mistakes.
It
kind
of.
Does
it
for
you,
yeah.
D
A
A
That's
you
know
that
bells
are
whole
big
development
projects
towards
which
there's
not
a
lot
of
open
source.
Prior
art,
like
you,
know,
we're
working
with
us
3d
printer
stuff,
because
all
that
is
coming
out
of
the
RepRap
project
right.
So
you
got
a
lot
of
that
ready
to
pick
from,
especially
like
Marlon.
That's
all
there
to
do
all
kinds
of
applications,
including
Marlon,
that
could
be
used
for
CNC
milling
some
people
that
do
that
too.
So
yeah,
ok,
I
gotta
get
gone
here
because
actually
the
internet
guys
are
here
as
I
mentioned.
D
What
covered
a
lot
so
yeah
we'll
keep
in
touch
about
the
predator
heart
development
here
and
yeah
I'll,
look
over
the
bomb,
the
simple
printer
and
figure
out.
Obviously,
there's
a
bunch
of
3d
parts:
I
guess
we
would
rather
rely
on
you
printing,
so
that
would
be
the
majority
of
work.
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
A
A
Yeah,
oh
no
like,
if
you
feel
that
you
can
do
the
velum
like
the
development
work
that
needs
to
be
done
is
okay.
We
need
to
lower
the
cost
on
the
extruder
part
like
I.
Don't
think
it's
it's
a
great
deal
to
be
paying
so
much
money
when
we
can
spend
a
little
bit
of
time,
developing
the
open
source
open
source
engineering
version
can
be
made
at
low
cost.
A
So
we
pave
the
way
from
much
more
activity
on
this,
because
I
think
that's
what's
required
to
make
it
gain
much
more
adoption
and
practicality
for
more
people,
so
definitely
encouraged
the
deeper
development
approach
and
just
getting
your
hands
on
a
simple
basic
version
that
you
can
start
optimizing
for
amazing
performance
I'd,
say
so:
yeah
yeah,
let's
keep
working
on
it.
That
sounds
good,
so
this
Friday
will
also
go
to
the
2:00
p.m.
2:00
to
4:00
p.m.
let's
continue
into
the
next
session
of
the
open
source.
Golf.
A
See
you
guys
thanks
a
lot
and
good
work
any
by
the
way
that
you
picked
off
the
just
a
comment
on
on
the
plastic
one
with
the
Titan
arrow?
That's
really
good
that
you
were
able
to
pretty
much
retrofit
the
1902
design
into
the
PVC
frame
that
was
good,
but
now
I
see.
We
have
a
little
bit
more
work
to
decide
how
we
do
the
probably
under
yeah.
D
A
A
Out
for
you
on
there
just
stuff,
but
you
can
assume
that
yeah.
Definitely
we
can
start
with
I
mean
think
about
either
I
mean
look
at
William
log
write
with
next
order
than
there
open-sourcing,
because
that's
actually
that's
easy
enough
that
you
can
just
get
yourself
a
piece
of
aluminum
and
print
and
maybe
I
can
get
you
the
3d
printed
parts.
But
that's
that's
one
that
we
can
build
completely
open-source,
so
we're
just
getting
the
stock
materials
like
aluminum
and
then
you're
gonna
drill
it,
and
then
you
just
got
to
get
a
heater
block.
A
But
with
that
one,
it's
possible
that
you
can
put
like
once
we
do
it
ourselves.
We
have
more
flexibility,
so
you
can
probably
put
the
volcano
nozzle
on
that
one.
So
that's
what
I
would
do
I
would
out
work
on
the
williams
version
and
develop
our
own,
that
we
can
then
use
as
the
experiment
for
a
want
to
keep
improving
to
a
really
high
performance,
one
that
just
works,
because
we
know
that
we
can
make
it
work
really
well,
because
he's
been
using
that
one
for
years
without,
like
any
clogging.