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From YouTube: Understanding the Seed Eco-Home Value Proposition
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So
go
to
today's
log
enterprise
track
on
my
log,
so
mj
log
summer
x,
enterprise
track.
So
take
a
look
at
that
I
mean
we
talked
about
intended
audience.
People
who
want
to
have
us
who
have
a
serious
interest
in
starting
an
enterprise
around
around
the
city
go
home,
so
the
cd
go
home
right
now
is
talking
about
the
stick
frame,
we're
gonna
get
to
the
ceb,
but
that's
we
can't
do
that
right
now,
because
that's
a
very
specific
product
development
effort
too.
A
That
means
we
get
more
things
like
the
brick
press
and
the
sole
conditioner
part
nailed
out,
which
we
don't
have
yet
I
mean
we've
got
the
brick
press,
pretty
much
nailed,
not
the
not
the
soil
conditioner.
We
do
look
forward
to
things
like
in
this
later
in
the
summer,
we
actually
build
the
walls.
Well,
if
we
get
a
chance
to
build
some
of
the
columns
for
the
workshop
structure.
Hopefully
we
have
some
time
on
that.
A
Then
we
can
do
rapid,
laying
of
cbs
like
as
far
as
in
fill
walls
like
that
that
we
can
we
can
do
so.
We
can
do
great
efficiency
on
it,
not
there.
Yet,
as
far
as
building
houses
with
that,
so
what
what
kind
of
skills
are
required.
So
in
the
enterprise
session
we
wanted
to
cover
a
bunch
of
different
things
from
tech
to
to
operations
and
marketing
and
other
things,
but
the
one
thing
is:
I
would
say
that
any
good
business
would
have
to
start
with.
A
Let's
see,
do
I
with
the
concept
of
really
understanding
a
product
and
value
proposition,
so
maybe
maybe
what
we
want
to
do
is
because
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
the
questions
say
around
christians
or
anybody's
talk
like
or
anthony's.
It's
like,
okay.
Well,
what
do
you
got?
It's
like
that
may
not
be
clear,
but
I
think
when
you
start
exploring
it,
what
we
have
here
once
we
really
understand
it.
A
We
can
make
a
very
case
for
promoting
it,
a
very
good
case
and
get
that
kind
of
a
clarity
that
attracts
people
and
takes
this
product
to
to
sales
which,
in
my
view
like
right
now,
that's
not
that's.
I
don't
think
that's
gonna
be
our
problem
because
I
feel
like.
I
really
understand
the
value
proposition
and
I
feel
like
there's
nothing
comparable
to
that.
So
the
question
therefore,
is
execution
and
the
due
diligence
that
comes
into
that
execution.
So
what
is
all
that?
A
So,
let's
start,
let's
actually
start
with
the
value
proposition,
so
that
we're
very
clear
about
what
we're
bringing
to
the
world,
because
if
we
have
that,
then
we
have
a
powerful
story.
It's
like
you
have
to
believe
that
first
and
then
you,
then
you
have
to
believe
that
that's
actually
executable
or
you
don't
even
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
know
how
to
do
it
yet.
A
A
We
can
come
up
with
any
kind
of
crazy
ideas
and
make
them
come
to
life,
but
the
critical
ingredient
is
you
have
the
motivation
and
there's
substance
to
that
claim
so
that
the
motivation
is
there
on
your
side
and
you're
likely
to
have
people
actually
accepted
because
it's
founded
on
a
good
value.
So
when
we
talk
about
this,
we
have
to
understand
so,
let's,
let's
just
go
through
it.
What
we
think
we
have
so
point
by
point
on
a
cdca
home,
we
know
what
we're
getting
into
and
why
we
think
this
is
so
powerful.
A
So
let's
get
into
that
house
value
proposition
as
a
wiki
page,
so
you
could
click
on
that.
This
is
once
again
from
my
log,
go
to
enterprise
track
today's
link
and
then
there's
a
link
to
house
value
proposition.
So
what
kind
of
things
are
we
trying
to
develop
and
how
much
do
we
believe
in
it
or
are
we
in
fact
I
mean?
Are
we
missing
any
things
so
so
this
is
actually
editable,
so
you
guys
can
also
do
this
I'll
paste.
The
link
right
now
into
the
chat
of
the.
A
So
if
you
want
to
hit
the
chat,
you
can
get
the
link
of
the
house
value
proposition,
but
this
is
the
thing
we
really
have
to
start
with,
because
that
gives
us
the
fuel
or
inspiration
like
you
know.
I
feel
I'm
pretty
inspired
like
I'm
kind
of
on
fire
on
this,
because
this
motivates
me
and
I
can
dream
up
of
things
that
that
are
good
and
valuable
and
then
pursue
them
and
that's
like
that's
a
beautiful
life
right.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
definition
of
a
beautiful
life.
A
So
so
here's
what
I
think
the
house
value
proposition
is
that
motivates
me
so
lowest
cost
and-
and
I
of
course,
in
this
operation
we're
different
than
many
places
that
we
dog
food,
everything
like
some
people
might
critique
it.
Oh
well,
are
your
customers,
you
know:
are
you
going
to
be
abusing
your
customers?
Well,
no!
I
am
the
customer.
A
I
test
it
on
myself
before
I
give
it
to
anybody
else.
That's
a
powerful
thing
of
accountability
that
if
you
have
that
in
your
business
power,
that's
power
to
you
so
lowest
cost
and
I
go
by
like
I
start
with
a
dog
fooding
approach.
I
say:
okay!
Well,
what
would
I
really
need?
That's
missing
in
the
marketplace
and
therefore
we're
working
on
it.
A
So
all
this
is
about
hey
there's
these
things
that
are
possible
but
are
missing
in
the
marketplace:
let's
get
them
so
item
number
one
lowest
cost
house
loss,
cost
house
per
square
foot
to
address
the
housing
issue,
see
what
makes
housing
expensive
and
solving
housing.
So
naturally,
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
huge
cost
involved
in
housing.
That
is
the
number
one
cost
in
your
life.
So
by
starting
by
saying,
oh
we're
going
to
actually
help
you
on
the
single
number
one
pressure,
economic
pressure
in
your
life-
that's
very
valuable!
A
So
if
we
combine
okay
lowest
cost
possible
because
we're
just
doing
it
trying
to
do
it
most
effectively,
we
are
solving
a
big
problem.
That
is
the
number
one
thing
when
it
comes
to
people
looking
into
their
wallet
taking
out
bills
and
paying
for
stuff.
That's
the
first
thing
they
pay
for
and
there's
statistics
on
that
and
cost
of
living.
You
can
see
that
web
page
on
a
wiki
article
called
cost
of
living.
A
A
Specialization
one
party
does
not
talk
to
the
next
designer
does
not
build
like
the
feedback.
Loop
is
pretty
broken
like
I
always
talk
about
how
the
engineer
is
not
the
designer
or
like
the
designers,
not
the
architect,
architects,
not
the
builder.
The
builder
is
not
the
user.
The
user
is
not
the
maintainer
in
each
of
these
things,
you're
actually
adding
cost,
and
you
know
complexity,
you
can
you
can
quantify
that
we're
not
going
to
go
too
deep
into
that
right
now,
because
we're
getting
some
perspective.
So,
let's
look
at
what
are
we?
A
What
are
the
things?
So
if
you
diy
now,
this
is
one
case
of
diy,
so
you
know,
if
you
can
build
your
selfie
up,
you
can
definitely
reduce
costs,
but
not,
but
I
mean
that's
it's
kind
of
old
thinking
for
us,
because
the
diy
is
going
to
be
a
minor
case
like
if
we're
going
to
solve
housing,
we
got
to
talk
about
producing
houses
for
people,
because
most
people
are
just
not
going
to
build
their
house.
They
don't
have
the
pressure.
This.
A
Yeah
they're
gonna
be
a
small
part.
I
mean
the
conclusion:
is
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
majority
of
the
market,
you
know
and
we'll
we
can
bootstrap.
You
know
do
a
little
bit
of
that,
but
it's
not
going
to
not
going
to
scale
global
because
most
people
don't
do
it
yeah
sorry,
50
labor
contractor
is
typical
in
practice.
A
So
50
of
the
house
is
typical.
Well,
so
if
you're
actually
doing
that
labor
yourself,
I
mean,
if
you
have
that
mojo
to
do
it.
If
you
have
the
energy
to
do
it,
you've
got
a
team
or
you
know:
you've
got
time
to
build
your
mo
like
we're
solving
it
by
oh,
yes,
you
can
build
modules
a
little
bit
at
a
time.
Therefore,.
A
Typically,
you
get
50
50
labor.
So
if
you
build
yourself,
okay,
bam,
that's
pretty
good!
So
if
we're
doing
it
as
a
business,
we
are
that
party,
so
we're
actually
getting
that
50.
That's
the
essence
of
the
basic
model.
It's
like
100k
50k
in
labor
and
oversight.
The
whole
management
part
then
running
the
enterprise
that
does
it
so
that's
the
basic
model.
So
for
a
thousand
square
foot
house
you
save
a
minimum
of
fifty
thousand.
A
If
you
build
it
yourself,
so
the
architect
typically
doesn't
work
with
the
trades
people,
so
he
lets
them
figure
it
out.
So
it's
not
like
us
we're
saying,
okay.
This
is
exactly
how
both
in
like
in
cad
and
bills
and
materials
and
instructions.
We're
saying
do
it
like
this
because
we're
designing
it
we're
we're
designing
it
for
that
easy,
build
like
that's.
A
I
have
to
look
at
that.
There's
no,
no
way
I
I
will
so
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
like
so
delay,
because
we
just
can't
find
an
architect
that
can
design
this
way.
It's
very
hard.
We
tried
quite
a
bit
and
still
haven't
found
it
katrina.
What's
your
professional
opinion
on
that
point,
but
about
finding
architects
that
can
actually
design
us
is
it
possible?
Can
we
get
an
architect
to
design
the
house
right
now.
A
B
B
B
D
But
they
don't
have
a
sense
of
some
how
much
harder.
Certainly
we
just
had
a
discussion
with
american
energy
leader
to
go
to
a
bridge
to
be
saying
that
this
move
is
not
really
diy
and
but
you're
not
getting
it
because
you
know
the
listener
is
so
much
more
dangerous,
but
the
odds
will
be
falling
off.
B
D
B
D
A
C
A
A
Let
the
trades
figure
it
out,
so
we're
thinking
that
this
kind
of
inefficiency
will
cost
you
like
10
000,
I
would
say
where
am
I
getting
that
number
I
don't
know
like,
for
example,
in
an
electric
like
I,
I
actually
take
it
5k
on
electrical
and
5pm
plumbing,
because
our
our
plumbing
can
be
done
for
like
500,
whereas
a
typical
job
would
be
like
5
000
an
electrical.
I
mean
it's
quite
simple
for
what
we
do
compared
to
like
5
000
and
up
so
I'm
kind
of
getting
that
little
10k
there,
but.
A
D
D
D
E
A
D
C
D
C
D
B
E
C
D
C
D
B
C
A
Yeah
so
point
three
about
cost,
so
builder
user
usually
doesn't
optimize
for
build
cost
to
performance
issues.
It's
not
really
part
of
the
equation.
You
just
build
what
the
guys
that
you
know
the
owner
or,
if
you're
a
builder
you're,
either
hired
by
some
developer
company
or
if
you
somebody
hires
you
as
a
builder
you're,
just
building
what
what
the
guy
tells
you
and
a
lot
of
times
it's
the
issue
of
cost
cost
of
performance
not
really
considered
in
that
equation.
A
If
you're
just
building,
I
say
a
development,
you
know
you've
got
the
stamped
cookie
cutter
house,
I
mean
you're,
just
building
it
the
way
the
standard
way.
So
those
considerations
don't
don't
occur
because
okay,
people
are
just
used
to
these
high
mortgages
and
they
just
pay
for
this.
These
crazy
houses
and
that's
just
the
way
it
goes
so.
A
A
They
wouldn't
like
that,
because
you
know
it's
a
cost
on
the
market
and
you
gain
the
benefit
of
that
over
a
lifetime
so
especially
well.
The
pvs
pay
for
themselves
in
energy
production.
Well,
payback
time
is
on
the
order
of
two
years.
So
after
that
you're
literally
getting
free
energy
over
the
years,
it
adds
up.
It
adds
up
to
100.
A
You
know,
like
100
bucks,
you
know
50
to
100
bucks
a
month
equivalent
like
for
a
small
home,
maybe
like
25
50
dollars
larger
homes,
it's
more
and
if
you
put
more
of
it
on,
then
you
can
be
replacing
things
like
all
the
electric
water
heaters
or
like
heat
pump.
You
could
be
running
that
off
solar,
most
of
the
time
and
stuff
like
that,
so
you
can
max
out
the
pvs
but
see
that
that
might
add
cost
and
then
in
a
traditional
sense,
whereas
here
we're
saying
yes,
we
care
about
lifetime.
A
A
Typically,
if
you
get
up
get
a
house
with
a
pv
system,
that's
pretty
high
prices
like
three
times
three
or
so
times
more
than
what
we
could
do
it
for,
because
we're
integrating
that
by
design
it's
building
integrated
like
we
actually
designed
the
building.
With
that
in
mind,
so
it's
not
some
massive
retrofit
or
I
mean
that's
why?
I
guess
a
lot
of
people
wouldn't
put
things
on
their
roof,
because
the
roofs
are
not
designed
to
hold
their
pv
system.
It
might
be
like
here
around
here.
Everyone's
got
these
ground-mounted
systems.
A
A
So
now
getting
into
custom
architecture
like
everyone
gets
the
cookie
cutter
house,
because
if
you
want
to
hire
a
custom
architect,
that's
going
to
cost
you
so
here
with
open
source.
We
actually
have
that
huge
advantage
and
then
we
we
can
implement
the
free,
cad,
sweet
home
designers
like
the
work,
design,
work,
benches
and
freecad
like
down
the
road.
I
mean
this
is
all
coming
a
design
where
you,
basically
your
website,
is
design,
buy
or
whatever,
like
step
three
step,
select
your
house
or
design
your
house
to
hire
us
or
whatever.
You
know.
A
A
So
if
you
were
doing
like
a
standard
house
that
takes
off
25k
like
if
you're
the,
if
you're
the
builder,
if
you're
building
for
yourself,
but
once
again
I
was
talking
about
diy,
which
is
not
going
to
be
the
case
mostly
so
so
you're
left
with
40k
materials,
25k
land
like
25k
land
yeah,
you
could
easily
get
land
for
that
that
amount
so
65k.
If
you
build
it
yourself,
so
you
can
save
yourself
106k
for
a
thousand
square
foot
compared
to
171
000,
and
that's
about
right,
like
the
minimum
around
here.
A
I've
heard
is
180k,
so
this
kind
of
like
if
this
this
map
works,
it's
it's
working.
Somehow,
maybe
it's
not
for
the
right
reasons,
but
typically
you're
paying
like
180
that's
around
here,
midwest,
which
which
is
low-cost
housing,
so
brian's
the
people
next
to
where
brian
wants
to
buy
land.
There's
a
thousand
square
foot
house,
it's
actually
180
000,
that's
built
in
like
the
1950s
or
whatever.
So
it's
an
older
house,
but
that's
around
here
it
would
be
more
expensive
and
more
some
more
popular
areas
like
the
coasts,
so
yeah.
A
A
Oh
yeah,
so
I
get
into
that.
So
that's
point
two
here.
In
fact:
let's
let's
number
these,
because
these
we
could
actually
like
say
hey.
This
is
like
number
one
point.
We
could
grade
them
as
what's
most
important,
but
point
number
two
here:
you
literally
have
oh
yeah
back
in
seat
home
yeah
house
value
proposition,
so
10x
potential
of
build
time
compression
using
parallel,
builds
man.
A
That's
why
I
want
to
get
to
right
now
we
don't
have
enough
people
in
apprenticeship,
but
the
real
deal
is
when
you
can
have
a
team
of
12
to
24
people
and
you're
producing
producing
houses
on
a
week
or
two
week
time
scale,
and
then
you
might
do
the
code
approvals
like
the
inspection
so
that
you
have
to
put
a
break
into
that
kind
of
schedule,
but
you're
literally
able
to
do
that.
So
you
do
multiple
houses
but
on
a
weak
time
scale,
and
that's
that
is
huge.
A
A
Yeah
we
can
break
that
completely
with
this
model
if
we
have
trained
people
to
work
it
and
then-
and
we've
seen
issues
about
labor
like
it's
hard
to
find
labor
here,
we're
saying
we're
training
people
and
we're
getting
that
apprenticeship
program
off
the
ground.
So
we
are
with
the
in
terms
of
the
military
part
the
for
the
gi
bill.
That's
that's
in
progress.
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
certified
to
do
that
like
soon
so
we
can
actually
go
and
push
for
like
a
next
wave
of
people.
C
A
C
A
It's
pretty
cool
and
he
was
able
to
do
it.
This
is
an
example
of
open
documentation
for
the
curriculum
part.
He
was
basically
able
to
link
straight
to
a
bunch
of
wiki
articles
like
we
have
a
lot
of
stuff
there
like
hydraulics,
101,
here's
microcontrollers
and
he
actually
was
pretty
good
at
selecting
the
right
pages,
so
he
actually
had
it
passed
through
the
department
of
labor
people
and
they
were
like
yeah.
This
looks
pretty
good
man.
They
were
like
they're
they're,
very
supportive
right
now.
So
that's.
A
Yeah
so,
but
this
10x
potential
and
yeah
that's
realistic.
So
instead
of
doing
a
six
months
you're
talking
about
so
that's
like
24
weeks
2.4
weeks,
man
imagine
you
can
manage
a
crew
like
that
reliably.
We
have
our
business
ducks
in
a
row
and
we're
able
to
market
and
sell
the
schedule.
You
cannot
beat
that
kind
of
a
value.
D
A
A
You
can
have
different
models,
you
can,
you
can
do
on
the
site,
you
can
have
it
in
your
micro
factory,
just
cranking
them
out
in
a
controlled
environment,
with
a
lot
of
jigs,
where
you
know
even
like
overhead
hoists
where
you're
moving
it
over.
So
it's
easy
on
your
body
too,
so
you
can
have
a
very
effective.
D
A
Yeah,
like
say
part
of
that
management
is
managing
the
print
cluster
you're
printing
parts
here,
so
some
of
the
parts
are
getting
made
for
you
and
you
just
have
to
hit
a
computer
screen
and
stuff.
So
that's
that's
good.
The
productivity
with
with
digital
assist
can
really
work
here
so
yeah.
That
is,
I
mean
that
is,
I
don't
know
like
for
reducing
the
cost
or
actually
generating
more
revenue.
A
Well,
that's
a
big
point
or
solving
like
because
now
you
can
do
more,
you
just
can
do
more
and
if
you
train
more
people,
there's
no,
how
well
they're
what
about
the
risks
of
actually
getting
the
materials
like
all
the
logistics
and
all
of
that
yeah
that
has
to
be
in
place
so
that
that's
pretty
much
the
limit,
but
as
far
as
the
actual
mechanical
process
of
your
building,
you're,
screwing
and
nailing
those
things
together.
That
part
is
taken
out
of
the
equation.
Pretty
much
in
that
model.
So
500
hours
is
the
goal.
A
But
if
you
have
so
that's
one
week,
but
if
you
have
24
people
I
mean
that's
still
one
week:
that's
1
000
hours.
If
you
have
24
people,
so
those
numbers
gotta
add
up,
they
add
up
even
in
a
worst
case
scenario
say
it
takes
you
1
000
hours.
I
think
this
model
could
also
work
with
1
000
hours,
possibly,
but
we're
shooting
definitely
for
like
the
500
and
that's
kind
of
what
the
numbers
are
indicating,
but
we,
like
part
of
it,
is
okay,
let's
be
very
specific.
A
What
are
those
very
explicit
steps
and
what
is
our
best
guess
for
how
how
much
time
it
takes
and
how
do
we
get
each
of
those
numbers
to
the
right
state
like
okay?
Now
the
stairs
were
a
big
deal
right.
Well,
how
do
we
do
that
in
a
very
rapid
time?
We
have
to
say:
okay,
what
jigs
are
we
using?
How
do
we
change
the
process?
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah
it
stacks
up,
so
I
think
getting
the
foundation
very
nice
high
quality,
that's
pretty
important,
yep,
so
point
three,
so
modular
design
yeah
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
how
much
did
we
like
just
seeing
the
thing
in
the
two
weeks
of
the
builder
crash
course?
How
much
did
we
see
0.3
the
modular
design,
allowing
inexperienced
builders
to
build
houses,
build
a
house
like
legos?
A
I
think
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
that
at
least
people
were
able.
Everyone
in
the
workshop
was
able
to
build
the
modules
and
help
in
assembling
them.
So
I
think
we're
meeting
meeting
that
point
and
I
know
we
suffered
in
version
two
that
was
pretty
hard,
but
version
three
is
different.
It's
was
much
better
and
we
can
probably
do
some
more
things
like
just
optimize.
The
tabs,
like
a
lot
of
tabs,
were
off
like
we
were
just
biting
that
a
little
bit
because
people
yeah
those
weren't
done
right
or
yeah.
A
E
C
E
A
Yeah,
so
another
value
proposition
is
using
completely
common
off-the-shelf
material
so
that
supply
chains
are
resilient.
So
some
people,
some
builders,
might
say.
Oh
yeah,
we
use
this
special
thing
from
whatever
this
custom
marble
from
spain
and
all
of
that
or
whatever
I
mean
cool,
but
that's
not
what
we
do
we're.
A
A
A
A
Simplest
possible
design,
that's
important
for.
First
of
all,
we
start
with
a
simple
box
like
when
we
talked
to
about
burka
beal,
these
people.
They
were
saying
how
do
you
get
it
so
low
cost,
and
we
explained
it
and
they're
saying
oh
you're
just
building
a
box?
Well
yeah!
It's
it's
a
simple
thing:
that's
what
a
house.
C
A
A
It's
things
like
off-grid,
energy
or
natural
materials,
other
things
that
qualify
for
that,
but
we
have.
We
have
some
of
those
qualities.
Part
of
it
is
actually
the
buildability
part,
like
the
access
of
part
of
the
actual
living
building
challenge
is
social
issues
that
it's
affordable.
So
by
virtue
of
what
we're
building,
we
already
have
a
lot
of
those
elements
there
and
we
can.
Actually,
we
have
a
presentation
on
living.
A
A
A
C
A
None
of
it
is
escaping
like
when
you
have
a
flame
like
yeah
eighty
percent
escape
as
escapes
this
heat.
You
just
got
that
hot
gas
all
around.
It's
heating,
your
house,
so
we
have
that
induction
cooktop.
We
have
energy
saving,
tankless
water
heater.
So
it's
we
have
both.
We
have
a
tankless
water
heater.
A
You
guys
haven't
seen
it
because
we
didn't
get
there
but
tankless,
meaning
on
demand.
So
it
never
uses
electricity,
except
when
you
turn
it
on
very
efficient.
We
also
got
the
mini
tank,
which
is
a
small
tank,
so
it
only
requires
a
small
it.
It
has
a
little
bit
of
storage,
so
it
requires
a
small
heater
element.
It's
only
like
1.5
kilowatts.
A
It
has
a
little
buffer
in
there
and
those
are
actually
when
you
look
at
that.
You
can
do
that
well
with
with
solar,
because
it's
only
1.5
kilowatts.
If
we
have
solar,
then
we
can
run
pretty
much
on
that
and
it's
got
seven
gallons
of
storage.
So
you
can
do
a
little
bit
at
night,
but
not
if
you
have
like
a
bunch
of
people
using
a
shower
and
stuff
like
that.
So
we
have
those
features:
heat
pump
that
works
down
to
negative
23,
fahrenheit
super
efficient,
shower
and
water
faucets.
A
A
Yeah,
but
it's
to
wash
it
to
you
but
uses
less
water.
Is
that
the
idea?
That's
the
idea,
because
typical
is
like
two
gallons
or
four
gallons
per
minute.
Think
about
that!
That's
a
lot!
A
lot
of
water.
I
mean
like
a
five
gallon
bucket
every
minute,
almost
that's
a
lot
of
water,
so
these
are
all
included.
That's
included
in
the
price,
that's
all
priced
out
in
the
bom.
Already
that's
in
the
42k
yeah!
It's
it's
really
good!
That's
why
you
got
to
really
understand
this
to
say
holy
crap.
A
This
is
actually
pretty
good,
so
next
point
can
be
built
by
inexperienced
builders.
Well,
you
have
to
have
some
skill
like
you,
gotta
know
how
to
use
a
hammer
and
tape
and
drills
and
stuff
like
that,
but
yeah
someone
who's
motivated
to
do
it.
You
can
certainly
learn
it
absolutely
so
you
actually
like
once
we
actually
start
producing
really
nice
media
showing
like
really
you
know
the
process
of
how
you
build
the
modules
and
all
that,
if
you
get
good
promo
materials,
people
will
start
seeing
hey.
A
A
A
E
B
E
A
B
A
Yeah
they're
just
for
the
guests,
so
how
do
you
get
one
thousand
dollars
per
year
in
electricity
bills,
which
is
very
significant?
That's
like
100
bucks
bill
per
month
or
so
well.
If
you've
got
a
seven
kilowatt
system,
how
much
does
that
produce
it's
about
six
hours
so
about
42
kilowatt
hours
per
day?
That's
four
dollars
and
20
cents.
If
it
cost
is
like
10
cents
a
kilowatt
hour,
it's
actually
more
and.
A
A
Right
yeah
this.
This
thing
is
where
you
have
a
small
battery
bank
availa
of
of
lead
acid,
and
this
assumes
that
you're
actually
able
to
trap
a
lot
of
that
during
those
hours
that
the
sun
is
out.
So,
for
example,
you're
running
your
tankless
heater
you're
running
your
stove,
which
is
induction
cooktop
during
the
day,
but
that's
the
max.
That's
like
four
dollars
a
day
plus
more
than
four
dollars
times,
365,
that's
over
a
thousand!
A
So
that's
how
that
num!
That
number
has
gotten,
but
that's
with
seven
kilowatts.
If
you
design
it
like
there
will
be
some
people
like
I.
What
I
would
do
is
I
would
do
like
what
we
do
here,
which
is
a
freezer
which
you
can
turn
off
at
night.
The
fridge
where,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
thermal
mass
like
we
use
milk
jugs
on
the
bottom
there,
which
is
the
horizontal
one,
vet
use
turn
it
off
at
night.
A
B
A
I
mean
imagine
the
heat
pump
technology,
where
you're
cooling,
all
that
and
at
least
in
the
daytime,
there's
sun
out
in
the
winter
cooling
that
all
off
your
off-grid
system,
so
you're,
not
burning
fuel
like
wood
or
whatever
they
can
have
like
a
backup
stove
if
there's
a
beautiful
yeah.
So
it
can
be
significant.
A
So
so
it's
a
debt-free
housing
strategy
where
one
can
start
small
and
add
as
needed,
so
we're
designing
for
expandability,
like
we
built
in
those
two
expansion
doors
we
built
in
the
second
floor
bathroom
to
be
completely
retrofittable
like
very
easy.
Super
easy,
like
all
the
plumbing,
is
right
there
for
it
for
that
to
happen,
because
it's
already
going
up
yeah,
it's
like
right
above
it
and
it's
super
easy
to
do
it,
plus
the
doors
that
allow
you
to
expand
the
other
thousand
square
feet
towards
the
back
and
that's
explicitly
designed
for
it.
D
A
Yeah,
so
so
it's
financiable
using
standard
methods
methods
so
that
a
route
exists
for
anyone
as
long
as
they
can
afford
to
buy
land.
So
that's
the
part
actually
to
develop
so
say
you
buy
the
land.
You
go
to
your
bank
and
say
I
got
this
land
I'm
gonna
get.
I
want
to
get
a
construction
loan
to
build
it.
You
could
get
that.
So
if
you
can
afford
land,
you
can
then
get
a
loan
to
get
this
house.
That's
that's
the
idea.
There.
D
A
C
A
B
C
A
So
what
about
financiable
like
say
you
want
a
turnkey
build
well
at
that
point
you
go
to
a
bank
and
and
the
strategy
there
is
like,
if
you're
a
guy
who's,
paying
like
brian,
for
example,
1
200
in
rent.
You
can
easily
get
a
bank
loan
to
now.
You're
building
equity
so
get
a
loan
from
the
bank.
Say:
hey,
I'm
just
going
to
buy
this
house
now,
hey
if
you're
already
paying
rent
to
that
level,
you
should
be
able
to
get
a
loan
so.
D
There
are
different
types
of
they're
very,
this
is
all
very
involved.
There
are
different
types
of
loans,
so
someone
who
has
an
income
and
who
has
proven
that
they
have
always
paid
rent
and
they
never
deported
on
it.
In
the
past
credit
cards,
meaning
having
a
credit
card,
tells
the
bank
that
you
can
be
trusted
with
money
and
that
you'll
pay
it
back
so
being
in
debt
in
this
country
is
actually
a
good
thing,
because
it's.
D
You
can
be
trusted
so,
but
that's
what
he
could
get
a
personal
loan
but
to
get
a
real
estate
loan
for
my
head
and
portfolio.
You
have
to
have
collateral
and
that's
why
like,
when
I
got,
I
bought
a
house
in
lisbon.
The
house
is
the
collateral.
If
I
default
they'll
take
the
house
and
that's
pretty
much
everyone's
vote.
That's
a
mortgage!
It's
not
a
loan.
It's
a
mortgage.
D
A
E
A
B
A
E
D
A
A
Quarter
acre
like
0.3,
acre
yeah,
so
anyway
that's
so
there
is
a
potential
debt,
free
housing
strategy
and
the
first
in
the
first
place
you're
paying
much
less.
Your
loan
is
100k
they're
about
not
300k
or
whatever.
So
3x
comes
standard.
With
the
polished
concrete
floor.
Well,
we
haven't
done
that.
Yet
we
don't
have
the
concrete
polisher.
We
can
do.
Small
sections,
semi,
polished
and.
A
A
D
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
so
it
can.
What
we're
saying
there
is
you?
Can
it's
expandable?
In
a
sense,
you
can
start
with
a
low-cost,
concrete
floor
and
building
up
to
a
more
expensive
floor
if
needed.
So
yeah,
that's
pretty
cool,
that's
a
value
proposition
in
there,
okay,
practical
starter
home
that
grows
with
the
family,
so
the
expandability
part,
but
we
kind
of
already
did
we
say
that
already
we
didn't
yeah
yeah
50k
50k
materials.
A
This
is
if
you're
building
yourself
for
a
thousand
square
foot
house
that
you
can
build
with
a
friend
in
one
week.
We
have
to
show
that
that's
when
the
kit,
the
kit
that
we
produce
has
to
be
really
good
like
it
might
have
all
those
3d
printed,
jigs
and
stuff
like
that
yeah
and
that's
going
to
be
hard.
It
would
be
a
for
a
single
floor,
no
problem
for
a
two
floor,
maybe
a
little
more
challenging
one
week,
man.
How
do
we
get
this
one
week?
B
A
D
D
B
D
C
E
E
Them
is
a
clean
operation,
yeah
yeah,
and
I
think
that
if
you
don't,
if
you
just
do
a
one
floor
house,
it's
so
dull
and
you
can
do
a
2000
square
foot
house
and
you
can
still
do
it
with
one
friend
yeah
like
the
the
roof
and
everything
is
not
complicated.
I
think
the
complicated
part
with
two
people
is
taking
the
models
to
the
second
floor.
A
D
A
C
D
C
A
A
A
E
A
C
A
A
E
E
B
D
A
So,
and
more
specifically,
if
you
can
afford
80k
upfront
one
time,
including
land,
then
you're
saving.
So
that's
I
got
to
look
into
where
I
got
the
31k,
but
that
looks
like
investment
into
all
the
off-grid
systems.
I
think
that
I
was
talking
about
a
full
off-grid
autonomous
house,
which
cost
eight
thousand
cost
80k
up
front
as
opposed
to
50k
up
front.
So
I
think
I'm
talking
about
30k
additional
costs.
I
I
gotta
revisit
that.
A
B
A
Per
month,
which
means
like
120
months
or
10
years,
payback
time
for
that
entire
system,
10
10
years
is
quite
a
bit
of
time,
but
basically,
I
think
we're
comparing
that
compared
to
cost
of
living,
the
average
price
people
pay
for
their
housing
and
electricity
and
bills.
We're
saving
quite
a
bit
like
566,
with
the
full
upgrade
option.
B
A
All
right
so
next
is
so
additional
options
include
aquaponic
greenhouse
food
production,
so
that's
huge
we're
working
on
a
water
recycling
system
for
off-grid
water
operation
and
dry
and
wet
climates
yeah.
So
that's
that's
that
and
then
looking
at
there
were,
we
were
looking
at
what
the
kind
of
costs
were
for
different
situations:
yeah,
yeah
or.
A
C
A
A
If,
like
each
of
these,
things
can
be
turned
into
okay,
here's
a
particular
market
and
here's
a
value
proposition
for
that
market.
So
you
can
actually
sell
the
houses,
get
communicate
effectively.
What
what
we've
got,
because
it's
quite
a
mouthful
and
you
should
do
it
like
one
or
two
of
these-
would
be
good
for
okay,
this
market.
We
can
kill
it
in
there
and
just
take
like
one
or
two
of
these.
A
Add
it
man,
so
this
is
collaborative
yeah
yeah
and
that's
on
a
page.
If
you
go
to
sh2
the
page
called
sh2,
that's
the
first
item:
it's
seed
home
2
requirements
and
value
proposition,
we're
starting
with
that
we're
determining
all
the
kinds
of
design
choices
we
make
through
that
filter
right
there,
and
if
that
filter
is
well
refined,
that
pretty
much
says
you
got
to
build
it
in
this
particular
way.
So
it
makes
sense
like
why
are
we
building
things?
The
way
we
are,
but
that's
it
and
that's
it
for
today,
people.