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A
Did
we
invite
austin
to
join
or
no.
D
I
didn't
invite
him
to
join,
I
can't
I
don't
I
mean
it,
it
doesn't.
D
I
mean
it
wasn't
like
light
steps,
complaint
or
whatever
I
mean,
I
think
austin
you
know
sent
the
note.
I
just
think
it
doesn't.
I
guess,
in
my
view,
the
employer
of
the
person
alerting
us
to
this
shouldn't
matter.
Yeah.
No,
I
know.
D
C
D
G
D
G
A
G
G
G
Should
talk
about
it
yeah,
so
the
first
is
ellie
a
quick
update.
She
has
a
blog
post,
ready
for
jaeger
support
for
otlp
cool
she's,
going
to
review
it
with
yuri
today
and
the
gc
thereafter
after
that
was
ted
github
feedback
session,
scheduled
for
june
23rd
at
noon.
Pacific.
F
F
Of
end
users
giving
the
project
feedback
recorded
if
they'll
allow
it
otherwise
in
private
with
us,
taking
anonymous
notes
and
what's
github
has
to
do
with
that
they're
using.
E
E
F
Ariel,
I
think
he
actually
prefers
names
to
pronounce
aerial
found
team
will
be
giving
feedback
on
behalf
of
github.
This.
D
Is
supposed
to
be
the
first
of
a
series,
I
think
the
one
in
may
got
cancelled
for
various
reasons,
but
the
idea
is
that
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
an
attempt
to
do
this
monthly,
which
I
think
would
be
awesome.
I
mean
every
time
I
it's
funny.
I
mean
the
number
of
hotel
related
conversations
I
have
with
you
know.
End
users
on
a
weekly
basis
is
like
four
to
five
now
and
yet
we're
like
struggling
to
have
the
conversations
in
the
open
in
this
forum.
D
I'm
not
totally
sure
why,
but
I
think
I
just
might
make
it
more
of
a
standard
part
of
my
practice.
This
be
okay.
Like
do
you
want
to
come
and
like
talk
about
this
with
hotel
people,
we
would
love
to
have
you
kind
of
thing
and
then
it
should
might
be.
I
don't
know
it
feels
like
it
shouldn't
be
this
hard.
Does
that
make
sense
people?
I
don't
know.
F
All
right,
yeah
get.
It
would
be
great
to
to
get
more
feedback
from
people.
I
think
shopify
morgan
you're,
going
to
maybe
see
about
getting
who's
going.
F
Feedback
in
july
bhs
you
had
a
bank
potentially
for
august
yeah,
okay,
and
we
did
have
a
another
big
group.
It
would
be
awesome
to
get
feedback
from,
but
they
got
cold
feet
about
it
having
it
recorded,
which
I
think
is
one
of
the
the
things
we're
running
into
is
some
orgs
would
love
to
give
us
feedback,
but
then
they
get
a
little
nervous
about.
G
G
D
Morning
as
an
end-user
group-
and
I
think
we
also
should
ensure-
like
assure
them
rather
that,
like
the
people
joining
from
the
hotel
side,
are
all
known
commodities,
I
don't
think
we
need
any
kind
of
like
ironclad
nda
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
not
like.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
on
the
public
calendar
right
totally
tot.
F
It'll,
it
won't
be
a
it's,
not
public
invite,
even
if
we
are
recording
it
yeah,
we
should
figure
out
where
we
are
gonna
put
the
recordings.
I
don't
know
that
they
necessarily
need
to
go
up
on
youtube
or
something
they
just
need
to
be
in
a
place
where
agreed
yeah.
It
could
just
be
uploaded
as
like
an
unlisted
youtube,
video
yeah,
maybe
that
we
can
pass
around
to
various
cigs,
so
yeah.
F
I
G
G
Yeah
should
be
fun
all
right,
we're
back
to
where
we
started,
which
is
the
third
now
the
third
topic,
which
is
austin's
email
to
the
gc,
about
dynatrace
marketing,
and
so,
unfortunately,
we
do
not
have
yuri
or
liz
who
had
commented
on
that.
A
Yeah,
I
guess
like
their
their
comments,
we
can
we
can
address.
I
I
think
that
there's
two
parts
to
this
one
is
determining
which
parts
of
the
of
the
marketing
current
marketing
page
violate
the
existing
guidelines,
which-
and
I
would
probably
sort
of
recuse
myself
from
that
discussion
and
then
the
second
part
of
the
discussion
is:
should
the
guidelines
be
relaxed
in
some
way,
you
know
are:
are
they
too
strict,
or
are
we
happy
with
them?
Do
we
want
them
to
be
stricter?
A
You
know
we
haven't
revisited
them
essentially,
since
we've
written
them,
so
I
think
it's
sort
of
a
two-part
discussion
that
way.
F
Yeah,
so
so
I
could.
I
could
kick
it
off
real,
quick
and
say
the
the
things
and
I'm
looking
at
your
page
now,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
updated
or
not,
but
I
think
the
the
main
things
that
were
driving
the
guidelines
were
two
things:
one
organizations
that
collaborate
on
hotel
using
it
to
like
sling
mud
at
each
other.
This
thing
we
don't
want
that's
not
happening
here.
The
other
thing
is
using
there.
F
That
goes
back
generally
speaking
to
looking
at
the
dev
stats
that
cncf
produces,
and
I
think
a
general
concern
there,
and
I
know
one
I
certainly
have
is
that
if
we
allow
people
to
use
dev
stats
as
part
of
marketing,
then
they
that
that
starts
to
create
an
incentive
for
gaming.
F
H
F
Love
to
get
credit
for
that,
as
with
other
groups,
but
I
think
a
thing
we
should
add
to
our
marketing
guidelines
is
maybe
more
clearly
explaining
how
you
should
talk
about
your
contributions
because
rereading
the
guidelines
they
talk
about
how
you
know
you,
you
should
talk
about
contributions
being
great
in
general,
but
they
don't
really
spell
out
like
here
is
like
a
safe
space.
G
To
be
sorry,
I'd
like
there
to
be
some
examples
where
we
can
have
a
bit
more
concrete
facts,
because
my
concern
is
there's
some
vendors
who
are
not
represented
here
or
on
the
gc,
who
basically
have
nothing
to
do
with
hotel
and
are
now
have
heavy
marketing
around
the
project.
And
I
at
splunk
and
daniel
at
dynatrace.
G
F
G
G
F
G
Been
incidents
before
actually,
when
I
still
working
at
google,
where,
like
I
was
on
like
various
calls
and
things
were
like
basically
appd
people
were
insinuating
that
they
were
like
a
heavy
contributor
to
open
telemetry
and
the
marketing
guidelines,
sort
of
restrict
us
from
refuting
that
which
seems
kind
of
goofy
like.
I
would
like
to
have
some
sort
of
facts
or
something
I
can
put
out
there
because
like
to
be
quite
honest,
I
don't
care
about
the
relative
contribution
of
like
splunk
versus
other
companies.
Like
I
know,
splunk
contributes.
E
G
G
I
don't
I
agree,
I
don't
want
some
like
people
being
like.
Well,
you
know.
Splunk
contributes
more
than
light
stuff
like
that.
That's
silly!
That's
goofy,
but
like
there's
a
cohort
of
firms
who
basically
vendors,
who
have
very
little
to
do
with
the
project
but
are
able
to
because
of
these
marketing
guidelines,
no
one
can
refute
their
claims
of
like
oh
yeah.
We
we're
we're
a
big
backer
of
hotel.
D
What
one
way
of
thinking
about
this,
I'm
I'm
totally!
This
is
just
a
thought,
genuinely,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
already
critiquing
it
myself,
but
now
I'll,
let
you
all
do
the
same.
I
mean
I
think
what
you're
saying
morgan's
totally
accurate
that
this
we're
sort
of
like
oddly
holding
the
the
vendors
that
have
the
most
to
it,
with
the
success
of
the
project
to
like
a
more
difficult
standard
than
those
that
don't
which
is
exactly
ironic,
yeah
fine,
I
mean
what
we
could.
D
We
could
do
two
things
one
would
be
to
have
some
way
of
you
know
somewhat
formally
recognizing.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
lines
of
code
to
be
very
clear,
but.
D
In
just
maybe
there's
only
there's
no
ranking
within
the
list,
but
just
this
is
a
list
of
vendors
that
are
like
above.
D
Could
do
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
like
sort
of
like
a
bit
of
a
gold
star
for
those
vendors
see
we're
on
the
list
we're
on
the
website,
whatever
we
do,
the
same
so.
D
Yeah
exactly
and
we
could
also
put
like
prometheus
up
there,
because
I
think
prometheus
is
doing
a
lot
to
like
work
with
us
and
blah
blah
blah
whatever.
So
like
that
sort
of
thing
like,
I
think,
there's
something
to
be
said
for
that.
So
there
would
be
something
that's
like
on
the
hotel.io
sort
of
reference
saying
that
like
yes,
this
is
a
valid
claim
and
then,
as
for
people
who
go
and
make
claims
that
you
know,
might
feel
ironic
or
not
totally
fair
whatever.
D
I
think,
if
it's
like
an
actual
trademark
violation,
we
have
you
know
a
recourse
or
whatever.
But
aside
from
that,
I
think
it's
just
sort
of
you
know
living
that
live,
but
I
I
would
still
say
that
the
vendors
that
are
part
of
what
gets
you
on
that
list
of
vendors
that
are
on
the
website
is
that
you
don't
go
and
make
relative
comments
about
like
contributions
or
something.
D
So
it's
just
a
thought,
but
it's
sort
of
like
it
would
be
great
to
be
on
the
website
for
any
vendor
right,
yeah
and
part
of
the
rules
for
doing
that
they
give
to
get.
Is
that
you
can't
go
and
make
comments
about,
so
I
don't
know
it's
just
like
it's
a
thought.
D
I
mean
it
feels
a
little
self
dealing
or
something,
since
all
of
us
are
probably
working
companies
that
benefit
from
that
policy,
and
I
think
we
should
try
to
genuinely
vet
that
with
the
community,
but
I
don't
see
any
way
to
stop
others
from
doing
dev
sets.
But
I
don't
want
to
kind
of
race
to
the
bottom,
where
we're
all
like
going
and
making
these
posts
about
how
many
lines
of
code
we
contributed,
which
I
just
don't
think,
is
very
productive
and.
A
I
think
so
I
I
had
not
seen
this
page
before
austin
brought
it
to
my
attention.
But
to
me
this.
This
shows
that
marketing
agencies,
marketing
departments
want
something
to
be
able
to
link
to
to
say,
like
go
here
and
see,
and
we
don't
have
anything
on
the
website
where
you
can
go
here
and
see
so
the
dev
stats.
A
So
if
we
had
on
the
website
like,
even
if
it
was
like
a
list
of
companies
with
like
a
list
of
companies
who
contribute-
and
it
would
just
be
taken
from
github
here-
are
all
of
the
the
companies
who
contribute
period
and
then
a
separate
list
of
here's.
The
companies
with
like
leadership
positions,
and
it
would
be
if
you're,
maintainers.
E
A
Any
sort
of
leadership
position
without
counting
the
number
in
no
particular
order,
here's
the
list
of
companies
that
have
leadership
positions
yeah
and
then
that
would
be
basically
it.
So
you
could
link
to
that
and
on
a
page
like
this,
you
know,
dynatrace
could
have
put
a
link
to
you
know,
look
on
the
hotel
website
where,
where
the
dynastrace
logo
shows
up
under,
like
you
know,
project
leadership
or
whatever,
which.
E
A
F
I
yeah
I
like
that.
I
like
one
way
I
just
while
you
were
talking
that
came
to
mind
is,
is
thinking
about
it
in
terms
of
sponsorship,
right
like
like
what
what
we
really
want.
Companies
to
do
and
what
we
want
to
reward
them
for
is
paying
people
to
work
on
the
project,
and
so
if
there
is
a
place
where
it's
less
about,
like
the
like,
we
shipped
this
thing
or
we
contributed
this
piece
of
code,
but
it's
like
we
are.
We
are
funding
this
project
by
sponsoring,
like
all
these
people
to
work
on
it.
F
I
think
that
would
be.
That
would
be
great.
There
is
like
a
relative
thing
there,
where
you
know,
like
light
step,
puts
a
lot
of
people
on
there
relative
to
the
size
of
the
company.
I
don't
know
how
we
negotiate
that,
but
even
if
it
was
just
like
absolute
numbers,
I
think
that
would
still
be
awesome,
but
but
something
something
that
would
basically
make
other
companies.
If
look
at
that
and
be
like,
oh
okay.
F
So
if
we
want
to
get
rewarded
and
get
like
a
merit
badge
putting
people
to
work
on
the
project
is,
is
how
how
we
can
get
that
just.
However,
we.
A
A
F
Yeah
consistent
sponsorship
and
we've.
A
G
E
G
My
biggest
two
challenges
are
three
challenges.
My
marketing
team
wants
something
to
point
at
and
I
don't
have
anything
to
give
them,
and
so
they're
always
hounding
me
for
it,
and
I
have
to
sort
of
tap
dance
and
be
like.
I
don't
really
have
anything
you're
not
supposed
to
like.
I.
G
Can
point
them
at
and
and
the
other
is
when
I
I
meet
with
you-
know
like
prospects
or
people
in
the
industry,
they're
like
well,
everyone
contributes
to
open
telemetry,
I'm
like
well.
A
Time
I
would
like
to
know
what
are
the
concrete
changes
we're
asking
for
for,
for
the
dynatrace
marketing
department,
like
is
a
top
five
contributor.
Is
that
going
too
far?
Should
we
move
it
to
say
top
country
like
one
of
the
top
contributors,
or
is
it
okay
and
don't
link
to
dev
stats,
no
yeah
remove
the
links
to
dev
stats?
That's
a
concrete
change!
A
Probably
you
know,
I
don't
know
number
of
contributions.
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
even
like,
I
don't
know
why
the
marketing
org
even
wants
to
put
that
there,
but
like
what?
What
are
the
concrete?
What's
the
concrete
ask
before
we
leave
here
so
is
top
five
going
too
far
is,
should
we
say
one
of
the
top
yeah.
D
F
D
D
For
you,
but
I
mean
I
think
it's
actually
a
stronger
statement
say
dynatrace
has
been
a
like,
has
been
a
long
time
contributor
and
a
member
of
both
the
governing
technical
committees.
Is
that
correct?
The
second
part?
Sorry
yeah
yeah,
that's
just
all
verifiably
true
and
sounds
better
to
me
anyway,
but
whatever
that
that's
just
my
quick
take
but
I'll.
A
Ask
them
to
remove
obviously
the
links
to
the
dev
stats
and
the
concrete
numbers,
the
18
500
and
the
five.
I
think
we
can
ask
them
to
remove
the
our
voice
at
the
governance
and
technical
committees
seems
like
people
are
okay
with
that,
then
I
think
that's
fine,
okay,
yeah
and
then
the
other
part
austin
called
out
was.
A
G
It's
the
word
top
but
yeah,
and
we
should
we
should
get
into
it
more
next
week,
once
we
have
more
people
like
you're
on
the
slack
yuri
and
liz
had
both
said
they
thought
top.
Even
top
five
was
fine.
I
guess
they
had
like
a
stronger
statement
than
the
rest
of
us,
but
the
last
one
you
quoted
daniel
was
fine.
I.
A
F
I
I
just
think
if
you
get
rid
of
the
term
top
and
top
five
and
just
replace
it
with
terms
like
large
and
long
term,
and
things
like
that,
you're
totally
safe
right,
like
that's,
that's.
A
D
Yeah
and
what
I
think
that
for
what
is
worth
that
works
for
me,
I
mean
I
said
I
made
being
pedantic
dot
dot
dot
like
I
actually
don't
think
this
is
that
that
big
of
a
deal
or
even
very
a
particularly
slippery
slope,
I'm
much
more
concerned
about
the
fact
that,
like
the
thing
morgan
brought
up,
I
think
it's
a
way
bigger
issue
and
like
having.
D
E
D
G
For
me
is
like
strictly
the
only
thing
I
care
about
like
just
to
be
totally
upfront
with
people
like,
even
if
the
rules
allowed
us
to
just
be
like
splunk
has
the
most
contributions.
I
probably
wouldn't
advertise
that
because
it
would
make
it
look
almost
like
an
open
core
project
which
I
don't
like.
I
do
not
want
that,
and
smug
doesn't
want
that.
G
But,
like
my
my
my
challenge
is
strictly
specific,
vendor
cisco
being
one,
but
there
are
others
advertising
heavily,
not
just
that
they
support
open
telemetry
in
terms
of
it
works
with
their
product,
but
insinuating
very
strongly
that
they're,
like
this
major
contributor
to
it
and
then
never
having
never
basically
shown
up
to
a
meeting
ever
let
alone
contributed
anything
and
like
that.
That
is
the
biggest
thing
I
want
to
push
back
on.
F
F
G
Do
want
to
clarify,
I
kind
of
assume
kubernetes
says
the
same
thing,
because
my
sense
in
kubernetes
is
you
don't
see
like
developers
from
like
amazon,
microsoft
and
google
racing
to
put
in
more
lines
of
code
each
just
so
they
can
get
some
stat.
Maybe
that
does
happen.
That
would
be
really
really
bad,
but
I've
never
heard
of
that.
So
I
assume
that
there's
some
guidelines
around
it
as
well.
It
could
be.
G
Like
you'd
have
to
put
in
a
lot
of
that's
true
but
yeah,
I
agree.
I
agree
with
ted
right
like
we.
Don't
want
people
trying
to
get
maintainership
positions
or
just
submitting
more
code
by
line
just
a
game,
a
metric.
So
then
their
marketing
department
can
go
wave
a
flag
like
that
would
be
very
disruptive.
G
F
Well
that
it
was
a
lot
of
companies
being
involved
without
a
clear
business
strategy
and
without
clear
rules,
so
docker
core
os
like
got
it
at
etsy
like
fcd
living
in
coreos's,
github
repository
and
things
like
that
made
a
lot
of
stuff
really
confusing.
And
we
have
actually
like
moved
past.