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A
C
A
That's
good
to
hear
we
need
a.
We
need,
like
an
acronym
for
that
a-l-I-n-c
yeah,
not
too
bad
a-link.
C
By
the
way,
dan
thanks
for
the
help
with
the
javascript
esm
thing.
C
Stumbled
face
first
into
it.
I
discovered
that
my
telemetry
is
not
funding
and
it's
like.
B
Yeah,
the
the
esm
landscape
in
node.js
is
convoluted,
to
say
the
least,.
C
E
E
A
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
of
course,
you're
going
to
be
there
all
right.
Well,
you're
you're!
Probably
I
don't
think
that's
really
a
conflict
anyway.
We
just
there's
an
email
that
was
sort
of
to
fairly
random
subset
of
us,
including
other
folks,
there's
some
new
stack
article
about
incubation
in
cmcf
in
general
and
and
I
think
they
wanted
to
speak
with
a
couple
of
the
recently
incubated
projects,
obviously
including
us.
So
I
think
it's
fine
for
if
anyone
wants
to
volunteer,
we
can
just
see
you
on
the
thread
and
you
can
figure
it
out.
A
H
A
I
J
Sorry
about
that
actually,
and
I
was
planning
to
go
and
then
decided
not
to
so
I
did.
I
I've
already
submitted
my
talks
literally.
B
J
E
All
right-
and
the
next
topic
is
from
sergey
who
isn't
here,
but
he
wanted
us
to
talk
about
the
open,
telemetry
values,
dock
and
that's
a
neat
way
of
linking
a
dock
and
a
duck
he's
got
it
here.
A
No
actually,
no,
I
had
asked
to
put
it
into
the
same
dock
as
the
other
one
which
it's
not
that's,
okay,
this
is,
and
actually
I'm
furious.
No,
no,
it's
totally.
Okay,
the
only
thing
I'm
noticing
I
hadn't
seen
this
until
just
now
is
it's
just
again,
there's
like
an
overlap
between
the
it's
like
a
typo
thing.
A
I'm
not
saying
I
don't
agree
with
anything
in
the
doc,
but
it's
like
there's
there's
like
a
type
overlap
with
the
type
of
stuff
we're
putting
in
here
and
the
type
of
stuff
that
are
in
the
vision,
and
I
would
like
to
make
it
clear
which
type
of
things
goes
where,
like
vendor
neutral,
for
instance,
is
like
in
the
other
one
as
well,
not
that
I
disagree
with
that.
It's
just
like
what
is
the
what
type
of
things
go
in
the
values,
doc
or
the
value
section.
I.
E
Suppose
yeah,
I
would
I
to
me
it
makes
sense
that
they
would
be
merged.
Like
you
suggested,
then
then
we
don't
have
to
be
as
careful
or
spend
a
whole
lot
of
time.
I
think
delineating
what
goes
and
wait.
What
goes
where
take
it
to
sergey
wrote
this
one
up:
yeah.
A
A
A
Time
it
together,
but
I
I
don't
just
think
that
putting
one
doc
is
sufficient,
like
I
think,
there's
correct
way
too
much
overlap.
Okay
for
my
taste,.
J
So
then,
is
the
action
item
there
to
just
you
and
you'll
work,
look
at
it
and
consolidate
it
or
I'm.
A
Happy
to
take
a
path
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
move
the
process
forward,
but
I
don't
need
to
like
have
the
pen
necessarily,
but
I
do
think
that
that
we
should
collectively
have
the
values
and
and
like
what
should
be
part
of
the
vision.
What
should
be
part
of
the
value?
So
it
should
be
clear
what
the
difference
is
type
wise
and
at
the
moment
I
don't
really
get
it.
It
just
feels
like
honestly,
it
feels
like
designed
by
committee
right
now
we're
going
to
have
a
doc.
A
B
A
A
As
an
ai,
maybe
if
we
have
time
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
we
can
just
look
at
it
together
and
then,
after
the
meeting,
I'm
I'll
definitely
do
a
non-destructive
copy
and
paste
kind
of
thing
copy,
paste,
modify
and
and
try
to
get
mission,
values
and
vision
into
one
doc
without
you
know,
hopefully
losing
the
spirit
of
this.
Although
I
agree
with
daniel
that
it's
gonna
have
to
be
shorter,
all
in
shorter.
J
A
Think
it
would
be
if
we
have
time
at
the
end.
This
meeting
would
be
useful
for
people
to
read
through
this
just
quickly
and
then
just
highlight
stuff
that
we
definitely
want
to
keep
or
things
that
we
definitely
think
can
be
left
out
of
the
kind
of
central
doc.
Just
so
we
know
what
concept
the
rewording
is
fine,
but
I
think
conceptually
there
are
things
that
maybe
or
maybe
we
could
figure
out
how
we
want
to
draw
the
line
between
vision
and
values.
If
we're
going
to
separate
those
concepts,
yeah.
B
B
I
J
All
right
should
we
move
to
the
next
question.
I
I
just
had
a
quick
question.
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
the
discussion
last
week
on
the
election
post
that
I
had
drafted.
What
is
the
what
are
the
next
steps,
daniel
and
liz?
I
know
you
guys
have
already
chatted
about
this.
J
Okay,
so
I
will,
I
can
set
up
a
time
with
you
and
daniel
for
sure
to
follow
up
on
the
doc
feedback,
because
there
was
lots
of
good
comments.
B
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
publishing
it
next
week
is:
is
fine,
most
open
telemetry
contributors,
though
don't
read
the
open
telemetry
blog.
I
don't
think
so.
We'll
need
some
other
way
to.
J
Yeah
we
can
put
it
on.
We
will
I
mean
I
can
put
a
communication
section.
You
know
for
our
consumption
together
where
we
are
going
to
post
it
on
all
the
slack
channels.
We
discussed
that
right
and
also
maybe
having
an
issue
on
all
the
reapers
or
and
as
well
as
in
the
sig
meetings
and
any
of
the
other
cncf
channels.
That
might
be
useful.
E
J
So
that
that
sounds
like
a
good
timeline
right-
let's,
let's
go
after
this,
so
daniel
are
you
available
on
monday,
or
so
I
can
I'll
chat
with
you
on
slack
and
figure
out
a
time
and
liz
liz.
English
can.
G
I
So
can
we
have
this
blog
post
monday
morning,
because
I
want
to
to
make
sure
that
we
communicate
this
to
the
maintainers
meeting,
which
is
the
first
thing.
I
Then
and
then
we
asked
the
maintainers
to
to
advertise
this
in
their
sig
meetings
through
the
whole
week.
So.
J
Yeah,
that's
a
great
suggestion.
I
yeah
we
can
do
that.
We
can
publish
it.
I
mean
I
can
work
with
daniel
tomorrow
then,
and
we
can
just
publish
it
first
thing
monday.
B
I'm
very
open
tomorrow.
What
I
was
gonna
say
is,
I
think,
liz's
schedule
is
significantly
more
restrictive
than
mine.
Usually
so,
if
you
find
a
time
that
works
with
her,
I
can
always
move
my
schedule
around
okay.
J
B
J
F
Yeah
I
was
I
was
out
last
week
and
I
know
roadmap
came
up,
it's
a
thing
that
we
need.
I
was
just
curious
what
the
current
status
is.
There.
J
We
have
a
pretty
good
handle
of
the
metrics
as
well
as
the
tracing.
You
know
milestones
that
we
are
tracking
on
all
the
sdks
as
well
as
the
collector,
so
we
can
tell
if
we
schedule
some
time.
Maybe
we
can
just
update
that
together
on
the
site
or
I
can
file
a
pr
whatever
works.
F
J
We
generate
one
based
on
a
spreadsheet.
Maybe
can
we
generate
yeah
because
you
can
do
a
google,
you
know
sheets
and
maintain
the
road
map
dates
and
the
milestone
titles,
and
then
we
can
just
generate
one
like
a
you
know
like
depends
on
what
the
gantt
chart
or
whatever
you
want
to
present
as.
F
Yeah,
I
think
we
just
get
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
community
that
they
they
can't
they
don't.
The
status
of
the
project
is
unclear
and
I
think
the
those
project
boards
are
like
great
for
people
involved,
but
they're
they're,
pretty
opaque
from
the
perspective
of
somebody
they're.
J
F
J
Right,
that's
right,
so
we
can
figure
out
if
there's
a
way
of
actually
generating
a
some
kind
of
a
visual
format.
You
know
visual
graph
based
on
a
google.
H
J
So
ted,
do
you
have
bandwidth
to
work
with
me
on
that
yeah.
J
F
Yeah
yeah
definitely
to
throw
a
meeting
on
on
my
calendar.
J
G
C
And
lastly,
I'm
quite
happy
with
drum
taking
on
ownership
of
the
response
from
the
qc.
I
don't
think
that
gc
needs
to
take
any
further
action.
This
point.
Unless
people
feel
like
there's
something
that
we
strongly
need
to
do
now,.
A
I
totally
agree
about
the
thanks
to
tigran
and
the
tc
for
taking
it
on
there's
a
little
bit
of
the
like
check
and
balance,
or
something
like
that.
I
do
think
the
gc
should,
like
I
don't
know,
I
mean
I'm
sure,
we're
all
paying
attention
to
the
issue
and
everything,
but
the
the
one
topic
that
came
up
that
I
think
there's
sort
of
a
fundamental
conflict
about
in
terms
of
the
tc
making.
A
The
decision
like
internally
really
has
to
do
with
the
question
of
you
know:
elections
or
term
limits
or
whatever
for
what
it's
worth.
I
think
term
limits
so
to
speak
are
a
terrible
idea
for
the
tc
which
came
up
in
our
conversation
last
week,
but
I
still
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
gc
to
be
involved
in
that
decision,
just
weird
to
have
a
governing
body
making
their
own
decisions
about
representation.
A
I
mean,
I
don't
think
we
should
like
wash
our
hands.
The
matter
is
all
I'm
saying,
but
I
agree
with
you
that
the
next
step
is
tc
and
I
actually
have
full
confidence
that
it'll
be
a
high
integrity
proposal.
I
just
think
we
need
to
like
keep
an
eye
on
that
piece
specifically,
because
that's
the
only
part
that
I
think
it's
just
like.
Just
from
a
civic
standpoint,
the
tc
probably
shouldn't
yeah.
C
F
Kubecon
I
submitted
one.
You
mean
like
that,
spread
that
google
form
it
was
it's
like.
D
One
too,
so,
okay
right,
let
me
it
might
be
in
the
wrong
tab.
E
All
right
is
that
it
or
do
we
want
to
workshop
the
value
stock.
A
I'm
going
to
do
it
anyway,
but
I
totally
no
offense
taken
that
people
want
to
get
10
minutes
back.
E
Why
don't
we
do
it
like
I'll,
actually
do
it
as
well
for
the
next
10
minutes,
but
we
can
do
it
like
offline
and
then
review
it
next
week.