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B
I'm
like
really
excited,
but
like
I'm
also
just
I
I
my
keynote
is
just
I.
I
can't
narrow
down
my
keynote
yet
I
just
like
I'm
all
over
the
place
and
it's
been
hard
to
refine
it,
and
I'm
also
like
I
got
a
stress
cold,
and
so
I'm
like
please
like,
because
I
just
have
so
many
other
things.
My
personal
life
is
kind
of
crumbling,
and
so
I'm
just
like.
Okay,
like
vitamin
c
echinacea
like
zinc,
like
lets
me
just
get
through
next
week,
and
then
I
get
my
body
can.
C
C
I
think
it's
worse
than
2020
for
me
in
terms
of
the
feels,
because
I
I
actually
have
a
lot
of
endurance,
but
I
need
to
know
like
when
it's
over
and
I
the
false
summit
in
2021
is
just
brutal,
like
I
think
I
was
like.
Okay,
like
I'm
gonna,
wait
until
whatever
I
think
I
had
this
in
my
head,
like
I
get
vaccinated,
that's
what
it
was
it
get
vaccinated
and
then
it's
like,
I
can
kind
of
get
back
and
then
we
kind
of
did
right
and
then
it's
like,
oh
actually,
just
kidding.
C
B
It
was
like
the
like,
it
was
like
kind
of,
I
guess
for
a
kind
of
center
point.
It
was
like
my
goal:
post
like
okay,
once
you're
vaccinated
there'll,
be
some
form
of
like
you
know
that,
like
that
validation
of
things
that
like
recharge
your
battery
and
it's
like
as
you're
getting
recharged,
it's
like.
Let
me
pull
everything
under
the
rug
underneath
you
and
let's
restart
it,
minus
10
again,.
C
A
C
A
I'm
glad
we're
getting
over
our
like
presenteeism
because
started
to
realize
that
this
does
actually
negatively
impact
people's
lives
to
get
them
sick
at
work
yeah.
So
we
are
short
of
a
quorum
still.
There
are
only
four
of
us
here
and
I
know
we
had
one
person
who
sent
regrets,
but.
A
Look,
I
I
mean
someone
who
cared
to
could
actually
go
through
the
videos
and
find
out
exactly
how
many
minutes
later
other's
heart,
but
like
for
the
purposes
of
these
meetings.
We've
been
keeping
attendance,
but
not
not
punctuality
and
I
don't
think
we
should
have
to,
and
it's
only
fine,
no.
D
D
E
C
B
Yeah,
so
how
we're
doing
the
structure
is
that
we're
going
to
probably
focus
on
four
projects
to
get
like
more
than
like?
Hey
these
projects,
incubated
open,
telemetry's
gonna
be
one
of
them
because
I'm
just
like
biased.
I
want
to
do
it,
but
also
because,
like
they
added
the
selection
there,
so
we're
gonna
do
like
a
mixture
of
like
hey.
B
These
are
some
like
more
in-depth
projects
updated
by
the
way
these
projects
graduated
these
projects
incubated,
and
so
we
can
do
a
bit
of
balance
of
like
more
than
just
like
four
projects
getting
things
there.
So
hotel
will
have
a
slide.
I
don't
know
we
still
don't
know
how
many
slides
they're
gonna
be
per
project.
C
Oh
okay,
there's
some
stuff,
that's
sort
of
queued
up
for
later,
but
I
should
have
known
that's
kubecon,
of
course,.
A
Oh
good,
can
we
talk
about
metric,
spec
stuff?
Well,.
B
B
C
Yeah
I
mean
we,
I
think
we
we
have
reached
agreement
on
some
kind
of
sticky
stuff,
it's
sort
of
in
the
weeds,
but
it
also
is
a
big
blocker
like
deciding
on.
You
know,
on
a
mutual
agreement
with
the
prometheus
crew,
about
how
we're
representing
distributions
and
stuff
like
that,
it's
so
weedy
for,
like
a
project
update,
but
also,
I
feel
like
that,
was
blocking
a
lot
of
progress
on
the
overall
story.
But
I
don't
know
I
I.
A
Like
that,
though,
right
because
we're
pushing
them
back
against
our
incubation,
saying
like
the
metric
is
not
fake,
you're
not
collaborating
enough
right
like
so,
I
think,
even
if
there
is
not
con
tangible
progress
right
like
it's
important
to
highlight
that
that
is
now
functioning
smoothly.
Right.
B
Yeah,
because
that's
actually
one
of
the
things
that,
like
sarah
knows
it,
but
like
my
personal,
my
personal
keynotes
are
actually
going
to
be
a
bit
about
how
I
view
cnc
as
a
whole,
and
it's
going
to
be
more
about
how
all
these
projects
just
look
like.
We
have
all
these
products
stand
alone
and
there's
the
beginning
of
projects
kind
of
intermingling,
but
like
really
for
cncf
to
succeed,
we
need
our
projects
to
start
collaborating
a
lot
more,
and
I
think
this
will
be
a
good
like.
A
Yeah,
so
you
highlight
the
number
of
stable
sdks
with
regard
to
tracing
and
then
to
talk
about
the
progress
on
metrics
and
then
I
think
the.
C
C
I
think
the
biggest
perceptual
issue
around
open
telemetry,
which
for
better
words,
might
actually
be
a
reality
issue
as
well,
is
just
the
level
of
maturity
and
the
roadmap,
and
we
hear
that
from
and
we
heard
it
from
atlassian
specifically,
but
I
think
we
hear
that
a
lot
from
other
people
too.
So
if
there's
been
progress
on
that
front,
I
think
it
would
actually
be
interesting
from
an
outside
in
perspective.
You
know,
I
don't
know.
C
C
I
think
I
only
want
to
put
anything
on
the
agenda
today,
so
they're
pretty
quick,
but
does
anyone
else
have
anything
they
want
to
add
to
it
before
we
get
going?
These
aren't
urgent.
C
Okay,
so
there's
this,
this
is
like
genuinely
a
question
like
I'm
not,
it
will
sound
like
a
rhetorical
question,
but
I
was
noticing
the
hotel
channel
and
in
cncs
slack
that
someone's
running
some
hotel
educational
workshops,
which
is
good-
I
mean
it's
nice
to
do,
but
I'm,
I
would
guess
just
based
on
the
context
that
is
also
like
legion
and
you
know:
dot
dot,
dot.
C
Fine
other
people
also
run
workshops
that
don't
promote
them
in
those
forums,
and
I
think
they
have
a
similar
business
purpose
but
they're
also
educational.
Like
do
we
do
we,
like
we
have
this
marketing
guidelines.
How
do
we
feel
about
the
that
sort
of
thing
happening
in
you
know
in.
A
Is
vendor
neutral?
I
think
that's
the
primary
first
threshold
that
we
need
to
make
sure
it's
met
and
I'm
confident,
at
least
in
the
case
of
michael
and
the
folks,
at
respect
at
respect
that
it
is
completely
venomous.
So
I
actually
looked
at
their
syllabus
and
it
looked
fine,
so
yeah.
I
think
it
just
then
goes
to
the
question
of
how
much
leads
gen
stuff.
Can
you
do.
F
Well
and
there's
also
some
element
of
they
might
not
be
getting
what
they
expect
out
of
this,
because
this
isn't
necessarily
a
lead
gen
user
space
to
be
trying
to
collect
people
that
want
to
take
training.
So
I
don't
know
I
I
agree
about
the
mixed
part
of
it
and
I
think
that
as
a
minimum,
liz's
boundary
is
a
good
one
like
it
has
to
be
vendor
neutral.
A
E
A
C
Yeah,
I
think
to
me,
like
I
would
feel
just
to
be.
You
know
specific
about,
like
I
would
feel
completely
comfortable
with
splunk,
for
instance,
running
an
hotel
workshop,
that's
promoted
on
splunk's
website
and
to
splunk's
mark
the
email
list.
That's
totally
not
under
neutral.
It's
all
about
splunk.
C
The
question,
in
my
mind,
is
if
it's
sort
of
the
public
commons,
I
think
that's
where
these,
where
the
any
restrictions
that
they
do
apply
would
apply
in
that
forum
only
right,
but
I
I
the
the
I
think
you
know
just
sort
of
the
spirit
of
it
should
be
vendor
neutral
is
like
that
works
for
me,
and
you
know
I
thought
the
way.
C
The
way
the
thing
was
written
was
great
like
it's,
it
doesn't
talk
about
their
their
business
or
their
product,
it's
just
about
open,
telemetry
and
bootcamp,
etc,
so
that
I
think
that
piece
was
totally
great
too.
So
all
right.
Well,
this
is
helpful.
I
don't
think
there.
Any
action
is
needed
right
now,
necessarily
I
mean
we
could
clarify
somewhere
in
the
marketing
guidelines.
I
just
thought
I'd
I'd
sort
of
occurred
me
when
I
was
reading
the
slack
channel.
I
thought
I'd
bring
it
up
unless.
F
There's
a
definition
of
project
spaces
that
the
cncf
uses
for
for
code
of
conduct
enforcement.
We
could
just
say
you
know
if
you're,
if
you
are
sharing
this
in
project
spaces,
it
has
to
be
vendor
neutral,
and
it
has.
You
know
and.
E
C
A
F
C
And
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
planning
to
say
a
word
to
the
aspect
of
people.
I
think
what
they're
doing
is
fine.
I
just
I
just
it
just
sort
of
inspired
the
fact
that
this
could
have
been
not
fine.
E
C
Okay
and
then
I
guess
it's
since
no
one
else
has
anything
I'll.
Just
briefly.
D
Say
when
actually
I
forgot
yesterday,
we
had
this
slag
discussion
about
members
being
members
of
staging
or
non-members,
but
do
you
want
to
just
update
charter
since
we
never
use
this
language?
I
I
think
elise
knows
more
like
shouldn't,
you
see
it.
A
We
should
not
do
it
now
during
the
election.
It
is
a
matter
in
my
view,
for
the
next
governance
committee
to
address.
I
think,
trying
to
change
this
or
or
clarify
in
the
middle
of
a
of
an
election
cycle
would
create
more
confusion
and
make
it
look
like
we
were
trying
to
change
the
rules
suddenly,
rather.
A
I
mean
so.
The
concrete
issue
is:
does
member
of
standing
mean
active,
open
telemetry
like
community
org
member
with
more
than
20
contributions,
or
does
member
of
standing
mean
any
person
who
has
made
more
than
20
contributions,
regardless
of
whether
they've
been
you
know
not
they've
requested
to
join
and
been
nominated
for
membership
in
the
open,
telemetry
github
org.
A
E
A
Right,
we're
not
we're,
not
cross-checking
it
and
I
looked
and
this
language
around
kind
of
you
know.
Active
number
of
contributions
was
you
know
modeled
after
the
kubernetes
thing,
and
the
kubernetes
thing
does
not
require
someone
to
be
a
kubernetes
or
member.
It's
just
50.
In
their
case,
it's
50
contributions.
But,
like
you
know,
that's
above
that
threshold
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
an
org
member
or
not.
C
Yeah
I
mean,
I
guess,
we're
supposed
to
wait
or
something,
but
I
like
the
current
definition
of
what
it's
worth
I
mean.
I
think
the
point
is
to
make
sure
the
voters
are
somewhat
informed
about
what
they're
voting
on
and
I
think
that
activity
is
a
better
predictor
of
that
than
officially
being
in
the
org.
But
whatever
I
mean,
I
guess
it's
sort
of
a
moot
point
to
discuss
it
now,
as
liz
is
saying,
but.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
think
we
should
change
it
now,
but
I
think
this
is
a
subject
to
you
know
be
thoughtful
about
going
into
the
next
cycle.
You
know
and
giving
people
multiple
months
beforehand
to
correct
their
status
to
align
with
with
with
new
requirements
if
they
so
choose.
Okay,.
C
All
right:
well
anyway,
I
was
nearly
ready
to
submit
the
mission
vision
value
stuff
since
it
sort
of
petered
out,
and
then
someone
made
a
bunch
of
really
nice
helpful,
constructive
comments.
So
now
I
have
to
address
those,
but
but
after
doing
that
and
assuming
there's
no
more
chatter
or
whatever
I
was
just
gonna
use
a
little
bit
of
time
just
to
save.
C
Is
it
so
much
easier
to
do
it
on
zoom,
rather
than
over
pull
requests
like
we're,
there's
a
lot
of
like
sort
of
backwater
places
where
we
can
link
to
them,
but
how
prominent
do
we
want
any
of
that
stuff
to
be
on
hotel.io
the
actual
marketing
website,
particularly
the
mission?
I'm
just
curious,
because
right
now
you
know
it
says
an
observability
framework
for
cloud
native
software
at
the
top,
which
is
fine.
It's
not
really
true.
In
my
mind,
I
don't
think
we're
an
observability
framework.
C
I
think
we're
a
telemetry
framework,
so
I
mean
I'm
just
wondering
like
do
we
do
do
we
want
to
what
do
we
want
to
do
about
the
mission
whatever
it
ends
up
being
and
the
website.
A
C
F
C
Yeah
I
was
just
looking
through
what
we
have
right
now
I
hate
adding
stuff
to
nav
bars.
Is
they
just
you
know
it's
not
one
of
these
things
where
it
scales.
Necessarily
we
have
a
community
page,
it
says
yeah,
we
don't
nothing
in
the
top
nav
that
really
sort
of
speaks
to
me
as
being
like
perfect
community
is
probably
the
closest
we've
got.
F
C
All
right:
well,
I
I
guess
I'm
I
am
proposing.
I
I
think
that
we
should.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
verbatim
the
mission,
but
I
don't
like
the
tagline
for
the
same
reason
that
open
tracing
was
confusing
for
people
or
it
wasn't.
C
It
was
just
you
know
the
collection
of
telemetry,
I'm
worried
that
the
observability
framework
will
confuse
people,
but
if
we
can
debate
that,
but
I
I'm
planning
on
writing
a
pr
to
like
edit
that
text
to
yeah
yeah.
C
A
F
A
Yep
elections
going
forward,
if
you
intend
to
stand
for
re-election,
you
should
submit
your
candidacy.
That
is
going
to
be
very
important,
is
in
a
week
and
then
also
the
voter
rules
have
been
generated.
Notifications
have
been
sent
to
every
eligible
voter
and
the
balloting
software
is
ready
to
go.
Basically
as
soon
as
we
get
the
list
of
candidates,
we
can
show
the
election.
As
you
know,
this
will
open
on
a
certain
date.
Here's
how
to
verify
you
can
log
in.
F
B
A
Cool,
I
think,
especially
given
the
short
agenda
and
bear
quorum.
We
should
probably
give
our
own
10
minutes
back.